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00:02 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for November 18th 2019. This is episode number 15 How are you doing? Mo I am doing well, sir How are you doing? Yeah doing very well got a lot of great comments on the previous episode That was actually that was one of our most listened to so far So we hit a nerve somewhere. Oh, that's definitely good And I want to take the opportunity to thank everybody who has been supporting the show under the value for value System which means you listen to the show Did it provide any value in your life if it did all we ask is that? You provide that To us and you can find more information at the mo facts calm website or go to Mo fund me comm MO e fund me com

00:56 Nice and mellow music you got here, but you gotta be careful of I noticed YouTube Blocked the last episode because this is I guess the track we use at the end Yeah there have been some buttholes about the track that. We use it to end um we gave credit I don't understand what that issue is but It'll be back up soon. I just haven't had a chance to go edit it on but There's always mo facts calm. That's right, and you're in your podcast apps Exactly and that's the that's a great way to listen to the show It's got a podcast app if you get an iPhone use the podcast app it comes with the iPhone or you can get I know what is it Google Play? Overcast there's a ton of other podcasts. That's the great thing about the podcast who works on all these apps

01:43 Yes, so all right I kind of know a little bit about the topic for today because we did discuss it briefly and i sent you A clip or two that you needed. So let's see what we've got in store today Yeah, so there was a New York Times article by Miss Farrah Stockman and Let's just get right into Before well before we get to the article When I read the article I knew what it was when I started reading it. What was the title of this article? The title of the article... Why don't we cut off my paper? I've stumped him! Yes, you stumped me. Actually if you just want to play number four Okay We'll get to it right away Her article titled, We're Self-Interested The Growing Identity Debate in Black America

02:47 why a movement that claims to support the American descendants of slavery is being promoted by conservatives and attacked on the left. All right, that's a mouthful! Yeah and there was yeah there was I saw some tweets going back and forth...I saw Antonio Moore getting upset about it or at least he had something to say maybe upset is the wrong term? It worked perfectly as designed And as I said before, I knew exactly what it was when I read it. And honestly, as always do with these shows, I give a lot of thought if I want to cover a topic or not and I was on the fence about this one because covering in the wrong way could contribute to what would the purpose of this article is about? And its purpose of this article was to cause dissension

03:47 and be a tool of a similar system on COINTELPRO. And we'll get to that definition later, but there's First of all, we need to go back and define racism and white supremacy. Can we do that? Okay is this a quiz or do I just nod my head? Actually Mr. Nilly Fuller, uh... We used his definition on the previous show so will go there Well as we are in the system of white supremacy That's the most powerful

04:25 government that the world has ever seen, and that's the title of it by the way. It doesn't go by any other title even though we sometimes call it by other titles but the accurate title for the government that we are under is in capital letters The System Of White Supremacy Worldwide! Just one world government And that's the only government in town, the only government on the planet that really counts. That is worthy of having a title of government." Right and this goes back a couple shows when we listened to this for the first time and actually yeah, it was actually a very good episode people should check out because we went pretty deep with that. Yeah so the reason why I did this is because Mr. Nilly Fuller is going to drop some more wisdom on us

05:12 to explain why blacks hate on blacks. It's like on a slave ship, which is what the whole world is. See if I'm the captain of the ship, I will come and look down in the hatch and I'll say it's just about feeding time but we don't have enough food because I'm gonna see through it there's not enough food but we got about 40 of them down there so I'm going throw just enough food down there for 20 that's how they do That's how they do it all over where we are, Georgia Avenue wherever you find black people. That's how they do it. They hand out the goodies but it ain't enough and what's going to happen when you throw enough food for 20 people in the hole of a ship where there is 40 people? You got good fight going on right that's why black people can stand each other over period years We spent all our time fighting each other

06:11 Right this idea of course works with any group of people Except it's been systemic with black Americans. Yes, and as we see on any continent across the world They'll have just enough resources to make the people native to that continent fight over the resources they throw out. So this is exactly what this article was, it was enough attention thrown out divided to cause a fissure There's some terms here we need to clarify you have ADOS

07:04 You have FBA, which is foundational black Americans. And you have the granddaddy of them all is the NBA native black Americans. Oh wow I knew about FBA because that was the article but NBA was new to me okay The reason why NBA is not popular for The obvious reason it couldn't be confusing. Well, yeah and it couldn't be a hashtag or right? Right. Oh what's the word I'm looking for? Well, it's obviously it shares its initials with the National Basketball Association. So yeah It's just not gonna work in trademark. It could be trade mark sure sure sure yes, so if you do hashtag NBA Is is gonna understand it's gonna be swallowed whole by the actual National Basketball Association? so with that said

08:03 If we can hear the headline of this article one more time, because when I read the headline, I said, oh OK. Her article titled We're Self-Interested The Growing Identity Debate in Black America Why a Movement that Claims to Support the American Descendants of Slavery is Being Promoted by Conservatives and Attacked on the Left. Now, this is how you and I met. You helped me get an understanding of ADOS or American Descendants of Slavery so I was obviously interested in the topic and that kind of figured out the same thing as what was going on with us. So one is why conservatives like it while liberals don't like it written from a liberal newspaper targeting liberal audiences left-leaning audience

09:01 of the word, the words she was claims. So I'm like what's going on with this headline? Just off the gate and that was like a kind of eye rolled it when I first saw it but when you dive into the first paragraph You get a hint of this The first paragraph alone was pitting Adolf against immigrants Here is the first paragraph In Hollywood, Harriet Tubman is played in a new movie by a black British woman. Much to the annoyance of some black Americans on the United States census and ultra wealthy Nigerian immigrant and a struggling African American woman from the South are expected to check the same box

09:51 When many American universities tout their diversity numbers, Black students who were born in the Bronx and the Bahamas are counted as the same. A spirited debate is playing out in Black communities across America over the degree to which identity ought to be defined by African heritage or whether ancestral links to slavery are what should count most of all Tensions between black Americans who descended from slavery and black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean are not new, but a group of online agitators is trying to turn those disagreements into a political movement. Mm-hmm Okay So here right off the bat Right she leaves in with the Harriet Tubman movie which was a

10:41 point of contention between- Oh, big controversy. Big controversy! Between Native Blacks and non-Native Blacks. So one we've seen a uptick, a major uptick in non-Native Blacks getting cast to play roles representing Native Blacks. And I'm going to use that term, Native Blacks from now on because of the whole divide between FBA and ADOS... The term i'm gonna use and that's it was the original term from the very beginning to identify black blacks of America so that's what I want to use for now just so people don't get confused when I say native blacks. Alright so you're using

11:32 The NBA, using the NBA acronym specifically because of the confusion between ADOS and FBA as riled up by the New York Times. Is that what I'm understanding? That is very correct And does this mean you no longer stand behind the ADOS brand or is it just for purposes of this show Well that's the thing! ADOS is not a brand Ados is a lineage and that I think if you everybody goes back and listen to my old shows And whenever identified ados, I said i'm not of ados the group. I am ados By lineage got it And there's a big difference there and it's going to be a huge part Of this story how this story caused the group? And the lineage to go off the rails and created a bunch of tension between

12:29 intra-group tension. So the article, like I said, the article already starts pitting black immigrants against native blacks or ADOS however you want to say it and that was using this Harriet Tubman thing and like you said even you knew about it crossed over the timeline. What's so interesting about is whenever a non-trans person is even cast in the role portraying a trans person, you know the Twitter blows up with outrage over oh my god why can't we use an actual trans person and you know so there's all kinds of outrage about that across the board but then when it comes to The Harriet Tubman movie and there was a lot of shoulder shrugging going on was my feeling.

13:29 And it's been done like that, like I said a lot of the movies Jordan Peele makes. He's cast non-native blacks in the role of playing native blacks. This is a common occurrence and then let me make a side note here The Harriet Tubman movie was trash! I haven't seen it yet so I can't comment on that. I haven't either but reason why I say that is...I knew it was going to be trash because one It's trauma-based entertainment. Gotcha. Two, from the reviews I've read and I've read a whole host they made the black male the enemy Right

12:29 intra-group tension. So the article, like I said, the article already starts pitting black immigrants against native blacks or ADOS however you want to say it and that was using this Harriet Tubman thing and like you said even you knew about it crossed over the timeline. What's so interesting about is whenever a non-trans person is even cast in the role portraying a trans person, you know the Twitter blows up with outrage over oh my god why can't we use an actual trans person and you know so there's all kinds of outrage about that across the board but then when it comes to The Harriet Tubman movie and there was a lot of shoulder shrugging going on was my feeling.

13:29 And it's been done like that, like I said a lot of the movies Jordan Peele makes. He's cast non-native blacks in the role of playing native blacks. This is a common occurrence and then let me make a side note here The Harriet Tubman movie was trash! I haven't seen it yet so I can't comment on that. I haven't either but reason why I say that is...I knew it was going to be trash because one It's trauma-based entertainment. Gotcha. Two, from the reviews I've read and I've read a whole host they made the black male the enemy Right

14:19 So it was multifaceted messaging in this particular movie, which is kind of the point right? We want to activate black women and shun the men. I've learned Moe! I pay attention. All of this is going up to 2020. This article is going up to 2020 and don't let it be lost on you that the very week this article dropped who said they were running for president? Oh yes Duval Yeah, Deval Patrick. Yes, that timing is not Not coincidental and if you go back and listen to Obama saying all hashtags is not activism right hello It was a setup I believe so um so

15:15 Just to give you an idea of the immigrant versus native black Ados, you know what? I'm not gonna self-censor because I'm not gonna let a group hijack my lineage now they did have to give credit to Yvette and tone talks because they did coin a term And I've meant since when you have been talking I've always gave him that credit because I was like it was in gene. It was an ingenious hashtag it was an genius on Acronym because it rolls right off the tongue from just branding. Yes Standpoint similar to Magga I mean is genius and I don't want to link those two together, but just from the maggot It rolls off your tongue. Hey, Dawson. It's all your does its like high-def DVD versus blu-ray Blu-ray roles brought out this oh and that's part of reason why they won The tech war between the two two technologies But dimensions my personal opinion

16:16 But just to give you some context of the shade, quote unquote shade that black immigrants have been throwing at us. We have Law Jamal. Ever since this whole I was hearing about this whole Ados from the minute I heard about it It was like a division Yeah amongst black people yeah it was a division it seemed like Some sort of well you're not American or nothing, like what's your lineage? Like we had a conversation about reparations and all this awhile ago on the Godcast and Ados came up. And you know, you have some people who are like I don't think Lord Jabbar is Ados anyway so he aint gonna take it up with me. Are you Ados? Here's the thing

17:08 My father's side no Okay, we trace back to Guyana. Okay? Hmm you know a guy is not ados when he pronounces it Ado so you're you know He's already not in the loop as far as I'm concerned Right. And as you heard him say, well not on my father's side I'm not Ados. Right. Here is the thing if your'e not Ados You can have an opinion on it everybody can have an opinion on anything but you cant have any say so But if he's Ados on his mom's side that counts does it not?

17:46 Well, that's to be determined because on the next clip he just to give you a sand before shadow He says he can't trace his mom side. Okay? So he doesn't know so from his standpoint he's Questioning a dollars on his mom's side and not a Dawson is father side But they use this were always divisive is divisive yes that's the whole point of adding an A on DOS because I And the show that you did prior to me contacting you, you used the term DOS. Right and I'd probably pick that up somewhere for something I was reading. There was no problem with that but that wasn't like part of the catalyst for me to write you and say that A is important

18:35 Yeah, I was gonna say it's very simple. We have lots of black immigrants brown immigrants reddish-brown dark black all kinds of immigrants who in America in general are seen as black but that's not the same as Americans who came here who descended from slavery and you got a different credentials and the whole Movement is based off trying to be repaid for services rendered. I'm gonna use the original language I always use from America

19:14 Now, if you're from Jamaica then you go to the country that held Jamaica. You see what I'm saying? If you're from Haiti, you go to France and you hold France responsible. And the thing is with ADOS not the group but the people if we were successful from getting reparations from America don't you think we would share that with other groups of people Like, this is the blueprint. You know? This is what we did but and I don't want to make it very clear before we move on any further black immigrants have a large portion of black immigrants have been very supportive Of the Ados movement We've called them allies when you who we discussed that before yeah So it's only a certain group of people that um

20:07 that have not been supportive and I have my theories of why. Because if ADOS is made whole through reparations, then that ruins their claim of using victimization mentality to gain. You see what's happening here? They're masking themselves in that victimization mentality to get things like affirmative action and you know, to get ahead but then once they lose all the benefits of it... It's even more cynical than that. The powers-that-be in government

20:47 They're the ones lumping, if Kamala Harris is a good example. They're the ones lumping it all together and saying well if you got a black skin color its your lucky day but all under the guise of reparations I think she's used the terms explicitly but that's...you know that you're talking about different groups of people with different backgrounds and ergo particularly when it comes to slavery different possible remuneration Yes, so let's get into the second Lord your mark. Hello Caribbean then South American yes It's in South America but it's considered Caribbean in a way got it this one The West Indian Day Parade I think pretty sure I see Guyana flags flying around South America right um Just like you might see Honduras or something like all but that's all in South America So anyway

21:48 Now, my mother is adopted so I don't know her. I still got to do some research on... you know what I mean? I actually discovered one side of her father now I gotta trace where his family's from but i did the trace on my fathers side So in that side no im not Ados It's possible Im on my mothers side I am But see again thats som bullshit Right so according to Ados you need to shut the fuck up Or, or I might be hatin' on it because well I ain't gonna get nothin'. You know if we did get reparations. I'm not gonna get nothing so you know why would I care some sh- Wow that shows the whole problem right there Yeah and you know what's funny at the beginning of the clip The interviewer who was Vlad from Vlad TV He said sir you were from um

22:43 I think. Well, he says Jamaica to South America at a certain point is like... No he said Guyana. So he said yeah so you say no that's not Caribbean that's South American oh so you can make... You just determine stuff right? Not even that but you can make correct people saying no i'm not part of that group on part it is group right but if we do It's a problem. Yeah, quite hypocritical and if you're gonna have an opinion on ADOS You might want to do the work on your mom's side and not just say yeah I gotta do that one day but... Yeah so i mean it's just to give you the attitude is just um

23:29 You know, like I said a very large group of people have been supportive. You can verify this they have been allies because they understand what's at stake here and we're all mean like i said We're not asking for a handout. We made that clear on previous shows it's for services rendered and For non-ados people for non native black people the ones that don't feel like it's benefiting for them, there is have been a segment that have been very negative towards you. And we have seen that play itself out so let's just continue on with ADOS versus immigrants. It goes on to say they want colleges employers

24:14 and the federal government to prioritize black Americans whose ancestors toiled in bondage, and they argue that affirmative action policies originally designed to help the descendants of slavery in America have largely been used to benefit other groups including immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean. Right! This is this is the genesis of this show exactly that's the argument okay So what's the problem? The way he was reading it probably with the right tone for the New York Times, like oh look what they're doing! Oh who do they think they are asking to determining who they are in background. Yes and then when you see um the percentage of academia that is uh not Native Black or ADOS, do you understand

25:05 how these thought groups, these think groups and think tanks will be against ADOS. You know it's like how dare you cut off the supply here? We're coming in we're masking ourselves as black quote unquote black and let's be clear we didn't have this problem 50 years ago because when you said black 50 years ago everybody knew it meant black right It meant ADAS, it meant Native Black But as you have this increase, which is probably close to 80-20 split now between ADOS being 80% and not ADOS being 20%, and it's growing every year. Now when you say black it means something totally different

25:55 And they, like I said groups like things like Affirm Action and that's what they're really pissed off about is how dare you put a barrier between us and the goodies that we get by playing the role of a victim. What was the moment? We may have covered this in a previous show but what was the moment when that really changed specifically when Affirmative Action started to be used or offered, I should say to non-ADOS groups. I'm not saying the 1960s... Well, affirmative action was broken from the very beginning because it opened itself up to minorities. So minority could mean really anything and that way I use an analogy that we kicked a door open and then held it open for everybody else while they went in. And now that we're saying now we don't want to hold the door no more

26:51 Now everybody got their panties in the bunch. Right, because people don't even think about the genesis of affirmative action because it was broken from the get-go so we've got a lot of undoing to do I guess? Yes! So, we're going to get into Adas versus immigrants versus Tariq. Now the next paragraph says, quote Every other group when they get here goes out of their way to say I'm Jamaican, I'm Nigerian. I'm from Somalia he said but when we decide to say okay We are a distinct ethnic group people look at that as the negative

27:40 This year, responding to requests for quote more detailed disaggregated data from our diverse American experience. The Census Bureau announced that African Americans will be able to list their origins on census forms for the first time instead of simply checking black. Meanwhile everyone was arguing about gender whatever we would argue but the important questions are in there now Yes, so I'll be able to list a black origin American. So if they want to claim their origin then you have a clear identifier right? So if we go back and start recalculating how we do Affirm action we say well

28:34 And we had this conversation before, but I don't think affirmative action is done the right way because one it lowers the standards. I don't agree with that but i think it should if you're going to say we want to have and in current way of setup If your gonna say were gonna have X amount of spots set aside for native blacks then that cuts them out the deal Right! If you wanna mark where your correctly from and this is where real rub comes at But Let's not ignore something here in this last clip. They they mentioned Tyreek now she'd first Tyreek now, she is not one of the original arm Creators of a toss right and when I read this I said that's gonna be a problem hmm And that was very that was done from my standpoint strategically This isn't one of those examples where like oh

29:37 People say Ricky Gervais is the pod father and not Adam Curry. It's not possible. This is exactly, exactly the case! Because I tell you that never felt good to me so... You can identify with it like yeah, you know, they created a podcast and then they have you listed way down in article as just a guy involved in it. Well my point is also because you say well it seems by design could be But I'm just taking the other side saying, I think it's just dumb. The idiots... Journalists are not great all the time so it could also just be oh this guy seems to be the mouthpiece right now put him at the top that that's my point That is the problem got you That is the exact problem You're working close with me for you to use the hashtag ADOS Right? Yeah

30:36 Why wouldn't you list the, and cause here's the thing. I'm looking at the structure of the article right now. So they mentioned Tyreek, they mentioned his quote and then the very next paragraph is where they mentioned that the two founders of Ados gotcha. That seems very fishy to me. Why won't you just switch it around? And it's your article doesn't lose any uh, any meaning But if we're set out to what Nealey Fuller said, throw food down for 20 when you got 40 people down there. Here it is exactly here it is. Throw the steak down and watch him watch them brawl forward. And I knew when I read this article in order of that outside why did just know being intimate with the whole situation?

31:33 I'm like, why did they mention him first? And but he has been he has the larger platform. He has been supportive of Ados, the hashtag so people identify him with the group and the writer Farrah Stockman who wrote this article what do we know about Farrah Stockman Well, I'm glad you asked that because that's a very interesting thing. One she is racially ambiguous. What does that mean? That means when you look at her she could be Latino, she could be mixed, what I mean by that is it's not clearly identified and I couldn't find exactly where she identified as anything but one I'm glad you ask that question

32:22 One thing I did identify with is she did a lot of teaching abroad in Kenya, which goes maybe leans towards why she's being so supportive of the non-native black struggle against ADOS. Just a thought. Yeah, she was in Kenya from 97 to 2000? Yes, and she served as a schoolteacher in Kenya for two years. And then she started oh and then she set up a non-governmental organization Okay That's something I should look into that's when he started it's always and that's when she started writing for the New York Times and interesting I see that There was another article deciphering Ados a new social movement or online trolls which came out November 13th

33:15 This is right after this one. Gotcha, okay just a data point all right all right yeah so just that just a little background but like I said that order of who was mentioned first it seems petty But as you said, it rubs you the wrong way when another person is mentioned. It does! As the founder of podcasting or podfather or whatever you say however you want to identify yourself I don't want to identify you Thanks Don't misgender me bro Yeah i dont wanna miss... So now we're getting into the good part insurgents.

34:14 Embracing their role as insurgents, Mr. Moore and Ms. Carnell held their first national conference in October and have made reparations for the brutal system of slavery upon which the United States was built a key tenant of their platform Wow! Insurgents what an interesting choice of term because insurgent almost to me you know an insurgent is like a terrorist yeah Let me ask that, when you hear that word you think roadside bombs. I mean that's just the mental picture that you get when you're hearing surgeons and then we go to the previous paragraph it says what did it say? They're trying to harness the frustration among black Americans

35:11 Then you go down to the next paragraph and you say insurgent. Yeah, so it's insert not in fact I just took a look this is what we heard for years in Iraq if there was an IDE or roadside bomb any type of attack against The Allied troops there It always was written in the news as insurgents detonated a bomb insurgence its insurgents insurgents insurgents So it's kind of That's the connotation. And The New York Times would use that word in that context, so it's interesting. Yes. So for the people out there that will love a formal definition of insurgency we have it for you. Insurgency is a rebellion against a constituted authority when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognized as belligerents It is the organized use of subversion and violence to seize nullify or challenge political control over region

36:08 As such, it is primarily a political struggle in which both sides use armed force to create space for their political economic and influence activities to be effective. Wow! Oh man... That's yeah so using that term in this context is off now let go let's go back to that previous two paragraphs It says, um... only with the actual paragraph. It says embracing their roles as insurgents Mr Moore and Mrs Carnell held their first national conference So your mental image is a bunch of black insurgents getting together holding you know what I'm saying? Holding a conference! Like The Panthers man Yeah

37:03 And just imagine if now see and that this is why I say that people piss on Native black people. Imagine if she used this language speaking on care Oh You mean the Council of American Islamic Relations? Yes, oh yeah be a huge problem She'd be fired Yeah Oh, yes. Yeah yeah absolutely You see what I'm saying? Now it's like... It only occurs once in the article but it literally says embracing their role as insurgents and that's a very liberal definition And she does this with definitions quote unquote definitions of words well we all know

37:54 Word has changed. I mean, well, okay Sorry, and I didn't get them didn't get the memo because you can still look it up on On any dictionary online as a rebel or revolutionary attack by armed insurgents as an example Yeah, and violence Is almost always a part of insurgency? Yes hmm so then you follow that with Adolf being like Trump. Did she just phrase that sentence as an opinion? It's skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of President Trump. And the group has fiercely attacked the Democratic Party, urging black voters to abstain from voting for the next Democratic presidential nominee unless he or she produces a specific economic plan for the nation's ADOS population such tactics

39:04 have led some to accuse the group of sowing division among African Americans and engaging in a form of voter suppression not unlike the voter purges and gerrymandering efforts pushed by some Republicans. You are a bastard Moe, I can't believe what you're doing! You're trying to subvert the Democratic Party, you're threatening them Well, it's a lot to unpack there Mr. Curry. Let's see so you said we were insurgents i.e terrorists then you move from there to being like Trump

39:48 which we all know Trump supporters are like terrorists and violent. Well, interestingly enough they're also white supremacists so welcome to the party! Nice yeah And I like that the group has fiercely attacked the Democratic Party urging black voters to abstain from voting which is true but i don't know about the fiercely attacking bit And it says, is skepticism of immigration. Here's the thing ADOS has been against illegal immigration and see they do this and they can play all the time no problem with legal immigrants you got here you did your paperwork right? You came here you know you went through the proper channels The problem is illegal immigration

40:39 directly undercuts and becomes competition with poor blacks in America. That's the problem. And the way this is written, you could interpret it multiple ways which is I think it's a trick that a writer at The Times would do so read the line again its skepticism of immigration now you can interpret that as all kinds of stuff It could also be the skepticism of immigration because there's so much illegal immigration, but it doesn't say that. Its skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of President Trump which in essence is probably true because Trump talks about illegal immigration. It's just not specifically laid out in the article so its chicken shit really

41:29 Yeah, so then moving on down says our black voters to abstain from voting for the next Democratic presidential nominee which I have been a big supporter of. I tell people all the time if somebody doesn't give you the option not to vote that you don't have an option So that's where the real issue comes in with this whole, and this is what this whole article is about. 2020 then they go down to the next paragraph it says such tactics have led to accuse the group of sowing division amongst African Americans and engaging in a form of voter suppression. Yeah that's great!

42:11 Not unlike voter purges and gerrymandering. How the hell can we gerrymander? I mean, not unlike you're drawing lines in the districts! I don't know...I really don't know what that means that's a stretch so this is what this is like I said I'm not saying it out loud but this is what this whole article is about Really shame black people like oh, you know you don't vote. You won't let Trump win Yeah, you know he's the boogeyman. You know he's the bit bad Klansmen Look at these blacks there on his side that's even worse I mean just just associating this group With Trump is enough I mean That's enough for the for The New York Times reader and the elites of America to decide right then in their a DOS equals Trump equals bad Yes

43:07 So, um... Let's get into the next clip. Shereen Mitchell, the founder of Stop Online Violence Against Women has been embroiled in an online battle with ADOS activists for months. Ms. Mitchell contends that the group's leaders are quote using reparations as a weapon end quote to make Mr Trump more palatable to black voters others have pointed out that Miss Carnell once appeared on her YouTube channel in a Make America Great Again hat it's proof So she did appear on her channel with a make America great again hat, but if this Reporter had done her homework. It was as a joke But this has become a meme is become one of those things where if you say it enough is true Yeah, you gotta matter doesn't matter Doesn't matter what the truth is we got you with a MAGA hat on so you're saying your your end with the all right? yeah, um, so

44:05 Another thing she points out here, she says using reparations as a weapon. Now nobody has a problem when people use immigration as a weapon they say if you don't support immigration we won't support you. APAC uses their no I mean it's politics that's how politics works You know, I won't vote for you. You won't have my support will get you out of office will run against you in the primaries. You know what? I mean that's That's how politics work Yeah But it's like clearly ados are not obedient they're not doing what they're supposed to do Get back in your hole Yep Well and this quote is from miss Shireen Mitchell does that name ring a bell to you sir? Shireen Mitchell Not offhand

45:04 Well, Ms. Shereen Mitchell had a talk with Miss Joy Reed. Oh yes I know who this is yeah sure do straight into it shall we go? Shall we have some fun? They appear to be human but they don't leave a big gap as Adam just said in the times that they've tweeted and they tweet you should you respond to them Generally, no. I mean off the back you should stay back and just sort of watch their engagement how many times they're tweeting what they're tweeting about and even the topics in particular And a lot of the ones that are pretending to be black people or black women in particular who are focusing on Black identity have these sort of aspects in the ways that they're talking about language If we saw the other day there was an account that was supposed to be for black supporting Howard Schultz

45:52 that account was eventually pulled down, but that was a prime example of someone trying to mimic support from the black community for a particular candidate. So these kinds of things are happening at this moment we have to pay a little bit more close attention to it because there is nuance but they're all Also identifying factors for example right now from the black identity framework. There's a new sort of hashtag and or Identity that's in their bios called AD OS or DOS which is standing for descendants of slaves Well, that's wrong And also what she's she's from stop online violence against women and yes Why is she speaking on this topic? Well, she's uh the black bot lady Oh

46:39 Oh, she's the black bot lady. Okay can we play it? Yeah yes So it's the indication that they are someone who was born and you know as a descendant in the United States who is representing Black America and has the vernacular and language that people would believe if someone was part of our community Who's either debating about Camilla or debating about Booker because that's just announced and trying to say we know who's the most, you know who is black in America. And making sure that they are sort of talking in this vernacular that makes it look like they are in support. I did see a huge uptick in bot activity when Kamala Harris announced It just dropped like a bomb. It happened really quickly and she was accused

47:28 Not really black. And that kept going, you could see that happening but actually there was an uptake of those bots just before she was about to announce so they were preparing for her announcement I love Joy Reid who's like oh i noticed all these bots no you did not! You don't notice any of that These are real people and it's amazing that Miss Farrah Stockman didn't ask Miss Shereen Mitchell about her black box comment. Are we black bots now? You shouldn't be afraid of bots not voting, right? Yeah. You see what I'm saying? So no she brings her up she mentioned to her how we're using reparations as a weapon making Trump more palatable to the black voters but she didn't ask about her black box comment that she made on Jury Rees

48:20 Um, sure. No in fact the article just says that she has been embroiled here Shereen Mitchell founder of Stop Online Violence Against Women has been embroiled in an online battle with the ADOS activists for months She's battling bots Moe! She's very brave Miss Mitchell contends that the group's leaders are using reparations as a weapon so yeah, so Of course why would The New York Times call her out on that? That makes no sense and where is she from? Shireen Mitchell. There's not much about her on the Wikipedia But why you start worried about bots? Bots don't vote

49:04 Well, because of the division the bots were sowing in the community to move people black people away from supporting Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. That's that's what I the way I understood it And Kalama Harris, I like it. Kamala Harris was the shot across the bow that's when they really saw these people as serious to take down a considered to be a leading

49:50 Because you know how they classify their candidates over there at the Democratic Party. Yes, she was one of the leading Democrats and she was completely Deflated in a matter of days and I'm sorry she came out. I'm surprised that the article doesn't mention that ados Successfully beats Kamala Harris down to 3% The polls, you know these are very dangerous a dossers But anyway missed opportunity, I think So, as we know Miss Marianne Williamson she had the ear of Ados and Ados had her ear. But it's a clip that I had and it was one of those clips slips and I made mention of it but when I went back and listened to it It had a totally different context now She is going to lay out the step by step plan

50:47 how you kind of, well I'll let her explain it. There was a moment last night that seemed like you were going almost at it with Don Lemon. He posed the question to you about reparations what was going through your mind when he asked you this question? Well, how diminishing can he be? What makes you qualified to determine a number. You know there's this political class it's like a Wizard of Oz type of thing only they know you know it's like something is going on behind the curtain A lot of people have serious conversations about what's going on in this country not just a bunch of TV pundits and politicians so I was so diminishing what makes you qualified to do math There are certain

51:35 You know, strain of official note. So at first it was like we won't take her seriously she's not there then okay she's there but she's a joke She is a loony tune and now they've gotten to a phase of well so never when the nomination But we should probably listen to her because she has some really important things to say Okay, so the step by step she laid out about how they attacked her Yeah They did the same thing that aid us One they're not there. Yep, you know their bots then they're loony tunes to their joke Yeah, but now it's like oh well They got real power we gotta listen to them It's the same exact step by step and I heard I was like wow yeah You know this is a system This is this is a real system and then my brain got that going um if there's a system

52:34 As Mr. Neely Puller said, there is a system and it controls the world but let's listen to him talk about that system. And all they gotta do is step on my foot and you gotta fight me on them Now I gotta go get my brothers or my gang and whatnot see? The white supremacists say these people don't even know how we do what we do That's why we are masters of the world So we figured out how they do what they do and how they do what they do used to be called COINTELPRO. So COINTELPRO was this system of counterintelligence, still for counter intelligence program it was ran by one Mr Hoover J Edgar Hoover FBI to be specific for the FBI and

53:31 This is, to me when I read this article it may not be specifically COINTELPRO but it smacked of the same kind of methodology behind it. We know the government watches us, but what about when government surveillance changes the course of history? In the 1960s, the U.S. government started a program called COINTELPRO or The Counterintelligence Program. The program was a series of secret FBI initiatives targeting activists political and minority groups the American Indian Movement, the Black Panthers Martin Luther King Women's and Civil Rights groups Vietnam War protesters and anyone who got the government seeing red.

54:14 Tactics used included infiltration and surveying and discrediting leaders and causes in order to undermine entire movements and organizations. But a lot of what COINTELPRO did was illegal, and it was officially disbanded in 1971. Though if you ask many activist groups and political dissidents, it still exists just in another form." Okay... ummm.... hmmm I'm very familiar with this. I didn't realize that it was, they stopped it in 1971 and was this... did that have anything to do with the Smith-Munt Act by any chance? I'm not sure. That I'm not sure of. I mean with the Smith-Munt Act but I'm not sure if

55:08 That went hand in hand. But as Mr. Neely Fuller said two clips ago, they understand the powers that be understand and you see it we saw in Venezuela we see all over the world they'll empower one leader against established leader and then let them fight it out Right. And that's what I was alluding to when I said they mentioned Tyreke Nasheed first before they actually mentioned the co-founder, I mean the co founders of ADAS. I was like, I mean when you see these things it's a pattern they do the same thing it's like um so when I saw I was like this is gonna be a problem but my worst fears came true. Um Tyreke Nasheed

56:00 And Tone Talks took the bait. And it started with a Tyreek Nasheed tweet. adamant about not doing anything specific for black Americans. So why should we honestly support the Democrats? This is in response to Trump saying, we created 9000 opportunity zones 8 million African-Americans live in opportunity zones yet every Democrat voted against

56:40 giving these black citizens the future they deserve. The Republicans got it passed. So Tyreek Nasheed made a tweet, well he retweeted a Trump tweet kind of like supporting Trump but Trump's tweet included mentioning Opportunity Zones which Opportunity zone as I stated on the show myself is a sticking point for me. The jury's out for me, because you know I live in an opportunity zone so i'm curious to see how it's doing for poor people Yeah so just on the surface level has been branded bad for black people yeah I don't know Because of... when you hear that term now

57:33 circles, which you want to say the woke circles is synonymous with a gentrification. Now we have to, cause it's very nuanced but for him to retweet that I knew there was going to be pushback of for him doing that within our top now let me be clear. We're talking about intra-group conflict. So at this point, ADOS, Native Black, Foundational Black everybody was on the same page right? Post the article we started seeing fractures happen and it was happening immediately

58:24 So Tyrete Nishid makes this tweet that was read by Yvette Carnell just for full disclosure, which is the founder of ADOS, the group. And so Tone Talks replies to Tarik's tweet. I'm seeing this thing and i responded to tariq and i said, This is not real politics trump performed one of the most regressive tax cuts in american history that left the cupboard bare for any type of major program that would have cost similar uh to reparations you cannot say this without recognizing that fact okay so let me just hear what he said was

59:07 That the opportunity zone, the amount of money that's involved. That could have just been used for reparations for ADOS is that what he's saying? I'm thinking where I interpret it was it doesn't compare Okay because here are the things we talked about In other words that's not reparations nice well done might work who knows jury's out but at reparations no so inside baseball here Anything that can be used to needle the Democrats, Native Blacks are willing to use. Because those are the people that have taken us for granted for so many years taking our vote for granted for so many years what needs to happen is it needs to be parody created between The two parties you bring them on a same level and then you say okay compete for our vote

1:00:07 Democrats, do you need our vote? Do you want to take Trump out of office if he's threatening the... What was the word they liked to use? Threatening- Democracy. Our democracy. Yeah right! If he threatened our democracy this reparation seems like a good deal to get him out of there. What's up?! Right? And then on the other hand, it's like a Trump. You know what I'm saying? If you want to lock up this 2020 vote, what's up or neither one of you want to do anything we're going to sit in the sideline and let you guys figure it out. That's how politics works that's that's uh...that's how people get votes sure! That's on code but people are going off code Every word matters at this moment

1:00:52 Part of the reason that we're talking voting down ballot Democrat is to make it clear that we're not a right-wing propaganda tool. Because right now, the four Ds come into play—dismiss, divide, destroy. You know, they're essentially trying to gut us and call us right wing when actually we're just demanding a black agenda. So as a result we can't give any fuel to the fire and I think what i'm seeing right now is an inability to really understand how important that is. Imagery, how important it is to cast this thing as what it is where we're look black folks since 74 have voted 90% Democrat black folks

1:01:41 When you look at Latinos in the last election, 65% of Latinos voted for the Democrats. 35% voted for Trump when you look at whites since 74 their rate of vote for the Republicans has been over 50%. And for the Democrats it's been like 40%, The Democratic Party is our party. The problem is that we haven't called on them with a specific black agenda and demanded of them what they owe us You don't walk away from what they, what somebody owes you and say it's because they don't want to recognize you without making a haymaker of a case. And that's what we doing right now. Okay? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa skirt, skirt hit the brakes. Right? We were all on code here if nobody puts anything on the table, you're not getting off old

1:02:40 And even certain segments are saying if the Democrats aren't willing to put anything on the table, we will vote for Trump. Just to show that Democrats were not playing right? That was the code right and then Adolf the group now this is where it becomes a lineage which you can't be born in and I mean you can't be out of the group. You're born into it right? I mean, I was born ados just for the sheer fact that who my parents were who their parents were right now Ukraine attorney making a group

1:03:18 political group and you're saying we're gonna vote down ticket Democrat no and like I said this is, i'm not picking sides in this situation because one thing you know about me Adam. I made it very clear I don't do groups. No that's correct the reason why I don't do groups is this very case right here because groups change and now I've lumped myself in with this group and now you've done a pivot. No, we're not voting down ticket anything because that's it That's the trick in itself because the reason why say that is how does the average American vote straight ticket? Yeah Republican Democrat done

1:04:03 You're not going to sit there and check the average person that can go to see it. Oh, I'm not going to vote for president but i'm gonna go check saying everybody has the judge and senators and No you're gonna go in there you're gonna put push one button or the other button right pretty much so this is It took this as a trick. I took us out of insult on my intelligence because It was very clear we're not if nothing 10 then mr. Where will use tangible Yes, we're going to use reparation as a weapon the same way immigration is used. We might not get immigration. Immigrant activist groups might not get open borders but they like what do you got for me?

1:04:47 What can we get? We can get DACA. Okay, you know what I'm saying? You'll get our vote. Everybody wants something absolutely right so it's a let is that is the arm used for leveraging so maybe you couldn't do ADA and you couldn't do reparations but you could say well we can do A B and C and then we see your next election That's, that's kind of tangible. You know what I'm saying? That was, you know, I mean, I feel like a fillet, you know, I could talk to touch it is real and we can talk but nobody's put anything on the table and now all of a sudden as we get close to 2020 you have Ados the group and let me be clear here. A dot S now, now it's foreshadowing too while I said I'm going to go by NBA now because now you've done something weird here

1:05:35 Now if I say ADOS, that means something totally different. And Tyreke Nashe replies back and he makes the point of politics versus lineage. My position and everybody's... ADOS is a lineage but then it's also created by a movement of politics, very succinct politics around the black agenda and reparation. Okay so right there it says okay it's a lineage buuuut it's a movement based on politics so its a political group brother! Okay, okay. Well say that! But get it back to me see this is what I'm saying don't say that and just be very upfront with it This is a political group that they have That they've named the same thing so that it can be conflated That's him saying It's the lineages but its also this political thing too So it's a group that they've conflated with the lineage So when you speak about the lineage by proxy You're speaking about the group and your bigging the group up Its two things

1:06:37 That's very deceptive. That's very deceptive! That's deceptive, you ain't talking about lineage no more So if a person out here just saying yeah I'm ADOS and you thinking okay i'm just supporting the lineage And then they're using that Tony Nibet, oh thats a member of my group thats my group member im the leader of You understand? We're a lineage, you telling me who to vote for. In an interesting way this parallels the 2008 Tea Party who were not necessarily a lineage but there was a foundational set of beliefs and it was Ron Paul who started that, who ran that, and through very similar tricks that whole group was co-opted

1:07:32 And it was turned into something, in fact it was turning to something so nutty that Ron Paul left. He left his own group because it did turn into just a political entity and all kinds...and it happens all the time other actors come in and then the group morphs and changes So yeah its tough doing that. So there is a definite parallel between The Tea Party between the Tea Party and ADOS, because this is how it becomes from grassroots to astroturf. And like I said, I'm off the boat. I can't do this and I think other people picked up on it and I'm not picking sides because one these conversations should have been had behind the scenes they should have sit down in a room together

1:08:30 had a conversation and not had it out over social media. So I don't like how either one of these gentlemen handled it, but I think they both have something to add because Tone has great data he does the research and I think Tyrete has a certain... Flair Yeah charisma, yeah so if you add those two together its value adding Right but that doesn't sound like they have the same agenda Well When you start talking about voting and nobody can see what, I mean my question is show when you say you have data right? That's your thing data. Where is the data to save for me to vote? You know where show me the impact and when I cast my vote in four years well I'll see a direct impact right yeah um

1:09:29 So then I asked myself, God, Yvette and Tone have put so much work into this movement. They've never really called it a group before but now it's starting to look like a political group? What changed? The only thing I can think of would be money. CRA 1866 CRA 1866. In four days, in four days Donald Trump will walk into the Supreme Court to scale back the Civil Rights Act of 1866 Okay Hold on a second now I do know that there was something about the Civil Rights Act but that was more in regard to

1:10:23 Believe it or not trans people I'm not sure what else was chum. This is new to me the surprise to me What what is changing with the CRA? What happened that's the Byron Allen thing Oh his lawsuit because he's not being carried by the big cable companies Mm-hmm, oh Okay All right and Byron Allen in tone talks have been real buddy buddy Byron Allen stepping into the onto the stage Yes. So that's the only thing I can see that has changed, like I said, I've seen... I saw the warning signs but I always give people the benefit of a doubt. I'm always very careful about how I cast things because I want to be part of the solution not the problem But when I saw a Democratic candidate start talking with this group I'm like wow! That's cool

1:11:29 how that relationship happened. I always, I mean see I had to ask this question how did it happen? Then when i see a killer Mike sit down who was a big representative of Bernie Sanders sits down talks with Tones Talks, Tones Talk is like...I'm starting to see you surround yourself with a lot of politics and then Byron Allen he came in and was like oh well this Adolf's thing has really got legs maybe I can use them to support My movement, or agenda... Right. So let me just explain the... I don't know if you have that here? I don't think so. The Byron Allen case is very interesting. He has a number of television channels and they're very black oriented

1:12:22 music and cooking, and you know real lifestyle type challenges. And Comcast are one of the largest cable companies in the country hasn't been carrying them. And Byron Allen said well you have to because your violating these Civil Rights Act based on race. You're discriminating against me based on race so just a headline From Fortune magazine from five days ago Comcast is challenging a 153 year old law that protects against racial discrimination

1:12:59 We can't let that happen, writes Derek Johnson. So this is a Supreme Court so this is going all the way to the top and they're going to challenge I'm not completely familiar with the case but they're going to challenge his claim that he's 100% African-American owned cable channel is being rejected despite Comcast carrying white owned channels with similar audience sizes So that's the basis of this, of the case. I'm just going to motive and like I said, I don't want to cast aspersions on anybody but i'm starting to see it's like where are, where is what am I getting from my vote? I'm very self or uh self-oriented and self focused

1:13:53 What does it do for me? I think if everybody voted that way then you would get the government to represent. Well, the message is clear Moe you're gonna get some cool cooking shows Hey, there's worse ways to get people to vote vote for me and we'll give you better TV shows So as I look at this I can't really support Ados the group anymore now native black issues. Uh, and I want you to turn a foundational black American because then that seems counter Ados the group, right? Which I have to be fair. Tyreke Nasheed has says I am not a leader. I'm not creating a political group, but I don't want to be caught in the middle of it

1:14:56 So I'm careful, like I said to be aligned with groups. And then the other thing dangerous about the group is if you start calling this a political group right? And we go back and you start using words like insurgent Yeah Then you start getting on lists Yes you do That's exactly right It's very dangerous With that said This is where we go back There's always a portion of show that we have to go back in time Gotta get Go back Back to school W. E. B. Du Bois versus Booker T. One of the first moments where Du Bois comes onto the national stage is the brewing controversy between his ideas about racial progress and how to move the race forward, and the leading African-American figure of that time period—the late 19th and early 20th century—Booker T Washington

1:15:56 In the beginning, they agreed on many points about the importance of education and moving the race forward. It turns out though that because Du Bois was northern born and had access to some of the best schools in New England and really was encouraged to think broadly, he spent part of his elite graduate education being trained in Berlin working with Max Weber By contrast to Booker T. Washington, who was self-educated a very gifted and talented man but he was born as a slave that fundamental difference certainly shaped their sense of change over time So here we have two like minded individuals for the most part of what was good for black people and all of sudden

1:16:43 They start having varying ideas. Now we've spoke about W E B Du Bois many times on this show, and he was at the NAACP and as I brought up on a couple of occasions, the NAACP chairman wasn't one other than Joel Spingarn. And just for people for matter of record Joe Spingarn was hired in May of 1918 and given a rank of major in the military intelligence division. And ran a small unit of undercover agents who was looking for proof of subversion, so it's clear that WEDB Dubois was for lack of better word being steered by Mr. Spingarn but what is little known

1:17:44 about Tuskegee's Minton Hall. was a paid undercover intelligence officer for the United States army, whose job was to spy on Booker T because they were concerned that he was using Tuskegee and they weren't correct. And there as a high out for black revolution, Harris away from the clan and away from the government. Well, there's your co Intel pro right there. Yep. And so now on one side you got

1:18:29 Dubois under Joel Spingarn and on the other side you have R.R. Minton He's working at Tuskegee with Booker T Washington. Now, Tuskegee Institute that is where Tuskegee syphilis experiment happened. Oh yes! A fine moment in history and it was one of the most infamous biomedical research studies in US history It began while Moten headed on the Tuskegee Institute And it says, the experiment failed to tell participants their diagnosis and did not treat them even after penicillin was provided in the 1940s to be effective against syphilis. And in 1932 Mr RR Moulton won the Spingard Medal for NAACP. Good work! Here's a medal

1:19:36 We see these things, like I said, COINTELPRO. Uh...I'm not saying either one of these general are being steered in any way but what i'm saying is anytime there's positive movement and the right direction by any group that's just because you made the point about the Tea Party if a group does not accept it as making traction they're infiltrated uh by outside forces and steered was this not also what Black Lives Matter was about? Exactly. It started off as a hashtag and then Soros money came in, and then they start talking about how global warming affects black people. Not dead bodies in the street! Black women. Pardon me, pardon me you are correct yeah so after Mr. Booker T Washington

1:20:34 was pushed to the side or stepped away, W.E.B Du Bois started warring with Marcus Garvey. In a world when a Black mass movement was deemed a threat to the United States there came The Tiger, Marcus Garvey Up you mighty race! You can accomplish what you will Africa for the African Home and abroad One God One aim, one destiny. Then came J Edgar Hoover This is a dangerous man, damn radical ungrateful and un-American In one of the most dangerous times in America Marcus Garvey code named The Tiger attempted to organize a global mass exodus of Africans to return to their homeland only to be thwarted by American officials who used techniques of infiltration and disinformation to destroy him

1:21:29 Hiring a force of black government agents, J. Edgar Hoover devised an infamous counterintelligence program, COINTELPRO. Now if this works we may have a model for all future organizations like this. Incarcerating him would not stop him. Where is the Black man's government? Where is his king and kingdom? Where's the black man's president his country his army on this Navy provisional President of Africa not on my watch J Edgar Hoover had one mission catch the tiger Yeah, Marcus Garvey. I want a great story So you may ask how would Jay Edgar Hoover? Catch Marcus Garvey

1:22:14 Well, we use the first yeah african-american FBI agent of course This month, the FBI is marking the 100th anniversary of the hiring of the first African-American special agent. It's a chapter in the Bureau's history that is not well known but it's relevant to what is happening inside the FBI today. CBS News Chief Justice and Homeland Security Correspondent Jeff Pagades was given rare access to the Bureau archives and top FBI officials. He's in our Washington bureau. Good morning Jeff

1:22:52 Good morning, Michelle. There are no known photographs of the first African-American special agent but there is a record of his hiring a century ago and as we look through the FBI archives Bureau officials told us that they believe there are lessons from the past that are relevant to what is happening today inside the FBI Inside FBI headquarters in Washington is an archive room filled with hundreds of thousands of documents and this loan application for the job a special agent. It was handwritten in 1919 by James Wormley Jones. Until now, the then 35-year old has been a footnote in the Bureau's history. According to the FBI, Jones was employed exclusively in an undercover capacity working directly under J Edgar Hoover. More black agents would follow Jones' footsteps into the Bureau and they too would work undercover in the black community

1:23:50 Hoover would go on to become the longest tenured FBI director and targeting influential black Americans would become a pattern. In the 50s and 60s, Hoover targeted Martin Luther King Jr for extensive surveillance. All right so who is the James Wormley Jones of the ADOS movement? Well there isn't one! And the reason why I say that is as with anything you have to evolve right mm-hmm So, just a throwback clip. We have to talk about the civil rights movement and the media as a story at the Civil Rights Movement had it all good versus evil drama social upheaval But at first America's major media ignored it especially in the South It was our responsibility To find away

1:24:50 to dramatize the issue. Congressman John Lewis says that the movement's leaders realized, to bring change they needed to reach white Americans How did you do that? As a movement we literally put our bodies on the line. The influence of civil rights coverage Hank Libinoff co-wrote The Race Beat, a book about the media and the movement. Well race was big story in the south beginning in the forties and fifties it's just that no one knew about it Finally by 1957 major northern newspapers discover the drama and the story How do you feel about integrated passengers? The television networks followed even major southern media paid attention

1:25:33 to the open hatred. You've got to keep your white and black separate! And the violent response to peaceful protest If you're going to beat us, beat us in a lighter day Beat us while the camera's on This was Selma Alabama 1965 among the bloodied John Lewis American people could not stand it To see young children and old women being knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police dogs Alright, well media has certainly evolved since those days. So there's many options I guess the way they attack Black movements now is to let it play out through the media Yeah as we've seen in the New York Times story you throw enough food for one two two Right right right so create so having more groups and

1:26:34 Throwing the red meat in this case would be mainstream press coverage, letting it all scrap it out. Yeah yeah It's cynical man but... It's the way its going Now I know there are some skeptics out there like Mo Here you go again You know But There is a guy named Mr Lois Lomax And what Mr Lois Lomax was able to do was to pit MLK against Malcolm X on national television. It has been suggested also that this movement preaches a gospel of violence. No, the black people in this country have been the victims of violence at the hands of white men for 400 years and following the ignorant Negro preachers we have thought it was godlike to turn the other cheek to the brute that was brutalizing us

1:27:33 And today, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is showing black people in this country that just as the white man and every other person on this earth has God-given rights—natural rights, civil rights. Any kind of right that you can think of when it comes to defending himself, black people should have...we should have the right to defend ourselves also. And because the Honorable Elijah Muhammad makes black people brave enough, men enough, to defend ourselves no matter what the odds are The white man runs around here with the doctrine that Mr. Muhammad is advocating violence when he's actually telling Negroes to defend themselves against violent people. Reverend Martin Luther King preaches a doctrine of non-violent inaction,

1:28:12 insistence upon the rights of the American Negro. What is your attitude toward this philosophy? The white man pays Reverend Martin Luther King, subsidizes Reverend Martin Luther King so that Reverend Martin Luther King can continue to teach the Negros to be defenseless That's what you mean by nonviolent Be defenseless in the face of one of the most cruel beasts that has ever taken the people into captivity. That's this American white man, and they have proved it throughout the country by the police dogs and the police clubs a hundred years ago They used to put on a white sheet and use a bloodhound against Negroes today They've taken off the white sheet and put on police uniforms They traded in the bloodhounds for police dogs And they're still doing the same thing just as Uncle Tom back during slavery used to keep the Negros from resisting

1:28:58 Another interesting guy. Very interesting never heard before of course. This is good first America at first african-american journalist Yes, so you bring them on television You throw him a question well What do you think about that King guy and then you sit back in like? You know um let it roll Right let it roll now I'll say the same thing I said about the two gentlemen and modern day times they could have had a conversation behind the scenes

1:29:57 and not through the media because when you give it to, as we all know and if you don't know. When you give it to the media they can clip it in edit it and make it seem any way possible so Mr. Lois Lomax didn't stop there because he had Mr King on Malcolm X one of those articulate exponents of a black Muslim philosophy has said of your movement and your philosophy that it plays into the hands of the white oppressors, that they are happy to hear you talk about love for the oppressor because this disarms The Negro and fits into the stereotype as a Negro as they meet turning-the-other-cheek sort of creature. Would you care to comment on Mr. X's

1:30:51 Well, I don't think of love as in this context as emotional bosh. I don't think of it as a weak force But I think of love as something strong and that organizes itself into powerful, direct action. This is what I try to teach in this struggle in the South that we are not engaged in a struggle that means we sit down and do nothing. That there's great deal difference between non-resistance to evil and nonviolent resistance

1:31:30 Non-resistance leaves you in a state of stagnant passivity and deadman complacency, wherein nonviolent resistance means that you do resist in a very strong and determined manner. And I think some of the criticisms of non-violence or some of the critics fail to realize that we are talking about something very strong and they confuse nonresistance with nonviolent resistance. So you saw Mr Lomax bring Martin on saying, hey have you heard what King said about you? Yeah he was stirring the pot

1:32:17 Stirring the pot, let them sit back. And of course I'm sure that these two gentlemen were able to sit down and they could have came to some resolution but what you have to look at is the group of people looking up to these two guys at the time it's like now you have to choose one side or the other which divides the group weakens the group and like i said this is not exclusive to black america You see it in every civil war created across the globe. The powers that be go in and power and arm one side of the conflict, and let them have it out with the other side of the conflict. And what's new?

1:33:14 And, yeah interestingly different today of course is that arming comes from you know status on social media reach on social media perhaps you know there's some weaponization going on there with promotion or deplatforming God knows but it seems like a repetition of history. What if the same trick works? Yeah, yeah. You just tweak it I mean you just tweak it a little bit um well how come uh how come tone doesn't see this how come to read do they not see this or did They're just too wrapped up in their own movements Well they're human yeah and ego That's top of the list is the flaw of Humans no and it gets in the way

1:34:15 I'm sure MLK and Malcolm knew better, but ego. You know it gets in the way, but what I would want everybody to do and the reason why this reason why made this episode because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire right if we're talking about a counterintelligence program or you know, a cyber attack on our country You don't want to add gas to the fire, it doesn't help it. What I want you do is put a blanket on the fire. Let's listen to the elders. Let's listen Mr. Neely Fuller that's why use his clips. He's warning us they're going throw just enough food for half of us let's not fight over it and on the other hand lets listen Dr. Claude Anderson if politics don't benefit

1:35:20 Then what the hell are we doing? I would define for you on who's going to get the benefits out of life. It's based on a simple premise of quid pro quo, something or something one hand washes the other. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. If you vote for me, I'll support you and do something for you. Black people are only people that have never played politics to win." Isn't it interesting that quid pro quo is now this incredibly dirty term based on current events with Trump and Ukraine? Whereas that's exactly what everyone should be asking for in politics. When asked for a vote, there is a quid pro quo! And isn't it funny the same tricks now are being played? No no it's not funny It's disheartening. But isn't weird that your made funny is not the right word That we're seeing the same tactics used here

1:36:26 They're trying to get somebody to flip on Trump. It's the same thing, divide and conquer. You know they're bringing all these guys in Stone and Manafort and all the guys like who is going to flip? And they use, well he said this about Trump He said that about Trump When this guy leaves when he leaves a post or relief from his post you know everything negative said about him it creates a book So it's like I say its the same tactics So where do you hoodwink? Yes, you have been hoodwinked bamboozled led astray run amok. So where does that leave you Mo I mean You've been very clear that you know you consider now the terminology using is native black because ados has become too Too weighted with with it being a group and a definition

1:37:31 I understand that this show is of course doing something about that just by pointing out what's going on. But that must be very disappointing for you to see this? It was expected! Yeah, yeah... No, no, no, I'm not being cynical with saying these things and that's why always made the distinction I'm ADOS not the group ADAS because i saw this coming of it becoming a group When you start seeing chapters form and not to say anything bad about it, but it's just black lives does matter. But I don't support the group right? You get where I'm going with this so of course of course where it leads me at where it lead you had to ask answer your question where it leaves me at is on code that's where it leaves me as well always been if he's beneficial to my group of people while I'm all for

1:38:33 But I will tell you this, the Democrats are playing a very dangerous game. Yeah it could backfire very easily. Where we talked about the negative vote you might actually create positive votes in the form of one Donald Trump. Yes for the opposition exactly exactly So, so that is interesting. So the situation as is I'll just call it the black vote and with that I mean foundational black native black ADOS the definition being splintered and perhaps to such a degree that everybody throws their hands up in disgust and says you know what Democrats screw ya we're gonna vote for the other guy

1:39:20 There's a real segment of people that could possibly do that because everybody is not blind to what's going on here. And we know who funded that New York Times article, or who the inspiration was... the Democratic Party. But I want to nail a name to the fence, you know? It's unbelievable! Actually it's un-American what is happening here or actually well no... Well it's quintessentially American actually if you look at the history because it's what has been done throughout the ages. Well I'm reading through this paper right

1:40:05 I see no mention of 2016 election Hillary Clinton, so i don't think it's her. Right because if you're gonna do what you're gonna say you know this kind of thing cost me you understand the right election? Right right right. I mean just speaking out of a observation now this thing if I had to put a name on it though Obama camp cuz I said with the timing of um yeah of his woke comment. The Deval Patrick, the woke, the Obamacon... I mean it's like bang bang bang bang here we are so we should take Deval Patrick extremely serious if he has this kind of support behind him with this type of coordination although i don't know how well it worked in this case you certainly noticed

1:41:04 Well, you're still gonna have a certain segment of people and what they're trying to do is I think the numbers don't quote me on these numbers. I think it was 67% turnout. They're trying to hit that number 59 was in 2016 with the turnout so you just gotta get it over 59. So what they had to do now is stop the bleeding because if we go into 59 were not going to win and then factoring put a black candidate up sprinkle some Obama dust on them And you might can get back to about 63, 64%. Right. Well that... Jam! This makes it even more interesting and I have not seen this kind of analysis anywhere Moe congratulations on doing this and it's complicated in these names up learning all these new things people had never heard of before yeah Wow well we'll just have to keep our eye on it and see how this progresses because this is not over folks this is not over

1:42:07 It's just starting and we're still waiting on the swoop. Yep, so well The swoop from Hillary will see if that happens you know where we have a couple other players but yes indeed Maybe she was pre-swooped Could be. I mean the timing... And that'd be very Obama-esque, you're so right! That she was ready to swoop and who swoops in? Well you got Bloomberg, I don't know what he's doing but Deval Patrick came out of left field and his packaging is almost perfect and i say almost because the—I don't have an example of it man his voice is off It's really wimpy. And I think he's ADOS though

1:42:52 So he has that going for him, the even eight and the Alabama half-one form. Right? Right right right Wow! That could be an interesting...that could be a swoop on The Swoop pre-swoop Fantastic Mo. Thank you for for for pulling all of that apart for us so that we could Look inside into this Co Intel Pro That is clearly taking place shame on the New York Times, but go figure to what it is and Well, all we can do is hope for some positive developments in one way or the other something is definitely gonna play out It always does And as I always say

1:43:33 Pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we'll be telling you all about it right here on MoFacts with Adam Curry Remember, we are a value for value podcast Go to moefundme.com M-O-E fund me dot com and consider supporting the work that is clearly being done. And always check back at mofacts dot com for brand new episode which usually occurs every week Talk to ya next Monday Mo! All right. See you later, Adam.

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