25: The Kobe Beef

00:02 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for February 11th, 2020. This is episode number 25 coming up on a six month-monthiversary! How you doing Mo? I'm doing good Adam how about yourself? Yeah fantastic man the next episode will be six months of consistent No Mo Facts with Adam Curry programming Wow, that's a nice milestone. Yeah well for us it is certainly and who knew? I had no idea we went into this and could be a couple shows and looks like were stuck together for awhile now

00:40 And I still don't know what this is, but I'm loving it. Me neither! Oh before we start, I want to ask you a question...I was watching the New Hampshire primaries and for me it's always interesting to watch what the so-called analysts are saying because they're all paid by someone to say something and I heard Joy Reid actually say That now that Biden is off the radar which he is and of course I think that's because they only need him for impeachment. They dropped him she said And she said African Americans, so she meant a DOS although gee you'll never hear her use that term unless it's followed by Russian bar She she said now oh yeah know the black vote they're all gonna go to Bloomberg

01:27 And I said, really? So i wanted to ask you if you thought that had any validity. Wrong! Isn't that crazy that she would say that? Well thats the narrative they're pushing. Biden and Bloomberg is neck-and-neck for the black vote in South Carolina. I think, I was looking because you know Biden went straight to South Carolina didn't even hang around for his battering in New Hampshire it looked like he was setting up at a Nation of Islam clubhouse I swear to God! It was like the...I saw kind of like the flag on the wall and what where the hell is he? He's going straight deep into territory it's unbelievable

02:17 Wow. Yeah, okay I mean... We'll have to see anyway I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't nuts I mean I know Joy Reid has agendas and she does not you know it's like she speaking on behalf of Adolfs yeah ain't no well you know I know exactly black women won't do that African-American women don't just say who do we vote for will vote over there okay you might have that wrong joy read this time around Well, no. Bloomberg is synonymous with stop and frisk. Right! Exactly how can you even suggest it? Isn't that like the number one guy that would be despised

02:56 Well, they've been given their talking points. We know Bloomberg has deep pockets Yeah, so that's the guy they want him to want to be and I mean you got what? You got two socialists Oh yeah No, I know exactly why I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't nuts because she said it was such conviction I'll play it on no agenda on Thursday we'll talk about it but well what is a good lead into where we're headed today. Well hold on a second Here we go The Wheel of Topics. Spin it good! Spin the wheel, where it stops? Nobody knows! It's the Wheel... The Wheel Of Topics. The Wheel Of Topics That's right we got the Wheel of Topic jingle now Moe with like we're becoming a real podcast We have uh sound imaging I see that So now I have to actually spin the wheel

03:58 And, uh... No? What is it going to be? Where does the lucky wheel stop today? What is our topic for MoFax with Adam Curry 25? Kobe being Bryant and the fallout of his demise. Oh man, I'm so glad you're doing this Moe because I spent more than I typically would like really like a minute extra on this Snoop Gale King thing and i'm like let me see what's going on here. And then we get Susan Rice of all people. Curry goggles! Sorry alright. I put the curry muzzle on too okay anyway so I saw that and I actually thought to myself

04:41 Is this worth my time? I have to make decisions about stuff. Like, is this worth my time?" And then I have to honestly say like no and I just can't... You know we got flu, Wuhan flu We got all kinds of stuff happening the economics of it and here we are you picked it up and so I know we're in for a grand ride So the reason why chose his topic is I didn't want to do it at first Because I thought it was kind of just overexposed and... Yeah, it's like a show business thing. To be honest with you, a lot of podcasters were chasing the clicks. Oh, of course! Of course. And I never try to do that. No? I never try to chase the clicks if you notice on our podcast titles we do ourselves no favors by coming up with the most complicated titles code basically that you have to figure out even one listen to yes You're right

05:34 Right, so I never covered this. We talked about it maybe two minutes on one of our previous just to show a knowledge you know that he passed away right but the aftermath and all the nuances and I figured a lot of people didn't really witness what they were seeing now You are uh? I know your football fan you an NBA fan as well Yes. Okay, all right. Big time. Basketball. Yeah basketball, football that's about the only two sports I'm really into well so let's just for people who are new i know nothing i was able to completely deconstruct the helicopter crash i'm very good at that but i know nothing about sports i uh you know kobe is just a name to me so i have no dog in the hunt whatever but i'm also ignorant so uh just want to set that up because i may sound stupid from time

06:26 No, it's good because you don't come in it coming to it biased by being a fan or not. Yes Okay. Yes, absolutely I'm completely non-biased unaffiliated etc So I'll bounce things off of you and you tell me if i'm reaching or if it makes sense. All right, so what we're gonna pick up is the actual Kobe Bryant's death. Jimmy Roberts in our NBC Sports studios by now You've likely heard the shocking and terrible news NBA superstar Kobe Bryant 41 years of age was killed in a helicopter crash earlier today just outside of Los Angeles A total of five people have been reported to have perished in the accident. The five-time NBA champion, who is a candidate for the Hall of Fame this year was known to have used a helicopter to travel for years dating back to when he played for the Lakers and commuted from Newport Beach to the Staples Center. This the scene just moments ago in Denver prior to the Nuggets game against the Houston Rockets

07:24 Elsewhere, the sports world understandably convulsed in immediate shock and sadness. Bill Russell at the Hall of Fame Center for the Celtics says you were my biggest fan Kobe but I was yours as well Patrick Mahomes with the Kansas City Chiefs on his way to the Super Bowl expressing the thoughts of many RIP Mamba using the nickname that Kobe Bryant was known by And Tom Brady, not much to say. We miss you already Kobe. Details are still emerging the LA County Sheriff's Department has scheduled a five o'clock Eastern Time press conference NBC News will bring that to you again terrible news on this day Brian is survived by his wife Vanessa and their four daughters my thoughts are with them Hey can I give my immediate observation? Sure That we heard football guys speaking out Yeah uh yeah

08:23 I'm just saying Mahomes and Tom Brady is like, you know. I would have expected more basketball player mentions but okay Think the basketball players took it harder. So they were slower to this was like right after cuz even in the clip They said the body count was only five and he said there were survived on it I think I don't know if you played out or not, but he said he would survive by four daughters No This is even before that they knew this is like starting at the very beginning got it at the very very beginning Just a little background on my Viewpoint of Kobe we're almost the same age. He was 41 I turned 40 this year kind of like grew up together um he Went straight to the NBA from high school that was kind of rare at the time But it was seen as seen as quite an achievement no yeah, man It was a mean he was a phenomenon. He was like maybe The way I put it is he was the first

09:24 iteration of LeBron James. Okay, got it. Of an NBA-ready you know superstar I mean he dated Brandi he took her to the prom...I mean this guy was like just for me being at high school is like you know you just gravitate towards a guy and then he had a great well his image was great because he had a clean cut image and he was kind of Juxtaposed to Allen Iverson who was the bad boy of the NBA at that time. So Okay, I got you right so there's your wrestling element right? So that that's where we're at. So now We're at the point Kobe has just died

10:10 And it was like a kick in the stomach for a lot of people, even myself. I mean, I'm not a crier or nothing like that and I don't notice what they call a quote unquote fanboy. But I was like dang somebody my age That you know, you grew up watching is dead. I mean that makes you kind of yeah make sure stop sure don't worry You get used to it you get used to it mo Wow like whoa my brother called me okay so Why do you like everybody else? I cut on all the news that we could get I'm looking through social media I'm just trying to see if is real if he's gonna come back No It wasn't that was a case and I start watching the timeline

10:53 And right off the bat, there was a. Slip of a word by Miss Allison Morse Yeah, the whole world saw this I think that was quite the retweet So this was maybe an hour or hours, couple of hours right after the news had been announced. And like that just set for my timeline from our black timeline. Like what does she say now?

11:44 There is some conversation. Did she say the N-word? Are you hearing the N word as kind of things like one that dress thing with the, is it blue and gold or is it, you know, you know, the stripe dress. Well, you know what her excuse was... Yeah she said she was trying to yeah go ahead What I heard is she said yes She was mixed up between the Lakers and the Knicks Of course Kobe's never played for the Knicks He's played against the Knicks And then that's why he came out To me it did sound a little more K-ish than G-ish. Everybody heard what it sounded like, there's no disagreement about that. Zero! We all know what it sounded like and it was just a fucked up moment

12:29 Now this is the debate. That's why I brought up that dress thing where some people saw it as blue and black, you know the viral image I'm talking about where half the people were divided on what color was the dress? So this is a case of what dimension your in and what did you hear? Now I did my due diligence and went and found slowed down audio That's usually my job nice all right I think this is an Eddie Murphy bit where that with the n-word is really drawn out really slowly Okay, right so let's just hear it for the people Deep fake research here we go. All right here We Go

13:23 Yeah, it seems like he was just the kind of athlete. The kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Knickers. Los Angeles Lakers. Kavita if I could ask you to stay with us we're gonna go... Knickers. Knickers. Knickers. Knickers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Knickers. Los Angeles Lakers. Knickers. Los Angeles Lakers. Knickers. Los Angeles Lakers. Knickers. Knickers. Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Lakers. Yeah it seems like he was just a kind of athlete. The kind of star that was perfectly perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Niggers Los Angeles Lakers could be there if I could ask it Well, okay. I certainly... Yes you can certainly hear it as a full on N-word that way. I heard it here certainly

14:22 I'm on that side of the fence now. What she meant to say, I'm not getting inside her brain but what was heard is the most important thing and people were shooting to cancel her immediately So that they signed a petition. I think MSNBC let her go or suspended her one really couldn't find out Yes, she's in hiding right now You know when you're in that In-between zone where we don't really want to fire you fire you but yeah, you know purgatory your impregnatory Yeah Now

15:02 Do you think, so I guess if that word comes out like that and of course it is kind of interesting to think was she being scripted because everything on these shows is scripted. Everything! And so it would be very rare if this was a breaking news moment, which I think kind of sounds like but the breaking news Was hers to ad-lib. That's not that may happen But it's not that typical although this case was such a shock So there's I want to say that there could be some prompter weirdness going on

15:42 Like some anchorman? No, no. Dude I've most of my professional life I worked with teleprompters now I'm I have to say I'm very good at reading and reading or in and around what's on the what's on the copy but if something weird is there you know would something stumble...I don't know That word is not something that flips floops out of my mouth at all ever so it's something close That's something that she must have said sometime or I don't know. I don't want to accuse her But I can certainly put myself in in both dimensions and I but I hear it too, I hear it Okay, what I'm doing here is setting the tone So we have a thank you to celebrity pass away now and a couple hours later

16:30 You hear this and like the timeline is like goes into a blaze, right? So next we have Miss Felicia Sanchez. She goes to tweeting about Kobe Bryant. The Washington Post has suspended one of its reporters after tweeting an article link including rape accusations from the early 2000s about NBA legend Kobe Bryant. Felicia Somnus is a political reporter for The Post she has since deleted the tweet but has reportedly received thousands of death threats and her home address has even been doxed online. For Reaction, let's bring in Bill Gudikunst he is a media critic for the Arizona Republic joining us from Phoenix. So Bill, has The Washington Post mishandled this situation? How did this all happen and then what was the reaction?

17:19 I think they have mishandled it. You know, I think that they've overreacted. I think that the assault charges against Bryant were certainly not the big part of the story. They belong in any complete story when you're writing about their reaction to his death and into a complete picture of his life It's certainly not what you would lead with. It's not the most important part of the story as it's breaking, particularly in the way he died and did not die of a lingering illness or anything I mean to I think it was because it was so sudden and because he was so beloved by so many people that that's in part why she got that reaction. It wasn't just her anybody who who wrote about that or mentioned it got got a similar reaction

18:05 Mm-hmm. Yeah, I followed this a little bit too of course So make it know to that what he just said No whoever said anything about that case got this reaction? I mean she received death threats right and my mind was doxxed my view on that is is it's the blue checkmark brigade trying to get some attention. It was completely unnecessary, she could have done that in two weeks or whatever it was all about getting attention. It was to me disgusting I don't care who it is yeah and she looked at him as an easy target because for clicks for her own clicks not even that much this is purely egotism oh I'm gonna make sure everybody knows this yeah it's like cancel culture bullcrap

18:52 True, I'm just saying she looked at him as easy target like yeah he was charged or had an accusation made against him so my sisters in feminism would be with me. You're saying to Bessie what they call drag? Yeah that's who she was talking to sure right right The Washington Post is being criticized for suspending a reporter over a series of tweets in the wake of Kobe Bryant's death. The post said Monday it had placed Felicia Sanchez on paid administrative leave after she tweeted

19:30 tweeted a 2016 Daily Beast article about Bryant's rape case hours after the former NBA star died in a helicopter crash. Sonmez' post generated a lot of backlash on social media, and she later tweeted she'd received thousands of abuse and death threats. She also tweeted a screenshot of her email inbox which displayed some of those abusive messages and names of people who had sent them According to the New York Times, the Post's executive editor told her via email her tweets represented a real lack of judgment and she was hurting this institution by doing this. Shortly afterward, Sonmez deleted the tweets at the direction of a managing editor. That managing editor said later in a statement that tweets displayed poor judgment that undermined The Washington Post work and that the newspaper was reviewing whether the tweets violated its social media policy. The Post Newsroom Union, the newspaper guild

20:23 protested Sánmez's suspension in a letter Monday, urging the newspaper to take immediate steps to ensure her safety and to issue a statement condemning abuse of its reporters. I hate this so much! So she was posting screenshots of death threats in her email? That's what she was doing? Yes, and she violated one of the most important rules of journalism. Don't make yourself the story! And she did that so I have no respect for her no matter what. Right? What we have here is you have the maker gate

21:05 That stirred up the black social media crowd. Question, is there anywhere in the parlance maybe amongst the team or fans of the team has anyone ever called them the Los Angeles Nakers and you know what word I meant obviously? Is that like a joke thing people say? No. Okay. Never heard it. Alright well just checking. Yeah no yeah no. Alright I'm done. I can't go on. Yeah but I just had to ask that was bugging me alright Another thing we had to realize too, I think we've touched on this before is sports in America is a religion. Yeah, it's a religion yes When you see these guys jerseys being burned when they leave the team It's cuz their gods are leaving their team and so when you come and

21:55 smear one of their gods names on the very day that he dies, you're gonna get this reaction. You're gonna get this reaction and I don't think that was really race-based because just the reason why I say that is it wasn't race based from the fans because you have some rabid Kobe fans of all colors, of course yeah all nationalities so i don't want to make it seem like... put each one of these things in the bucket that they go because it's gonna matter later. Kobe fans are so... he has some of the most rabid fans when LeBron James decided to come to LA to play, these artists would go paint murals for LeBron James

22:44 And basically they would get tagged saying, nah this is this will be Kobe's town. Right? I'm just like you. I'm just setting the scene for you. Yeah quiet there son this is Kobe's house here. Yeah this is Kobe's house! That was a sentiment. LeBron would never replace Kobe so I'm just giving you context of how much he was loved in LA and the world but in LA especially So let's continue on with the next WAPO clip. But late Tuesday, The Post lifted Sonmez suspension in a statement to Newsy it said after conducting an internal review we have determined that while we consider Felicia's tweets ill-timed she was not in clear and direct violation of our social media policy Yeah alright so I guess the guild or I mean the writers union leaned on the WAPO Oh yeah oh yeah It's free speech man

23:43 And one thing I've noticed is the media, they stick together regardless. Whenever it's the media versus anybody, the media is gonna stick together and no matter how wrong that person is they're going to make justifications for you know its journalistic integrity. And I had to ask the tough questions so that's where we're headed. Of course! When do you ask the tough questions? That is always important It's everything. So we have Miss Lindsey Granger from the Daily Blast, she goes and checks Felicia Sonmez. I'm looking at the journalist Felicia and she is somebody who has gone through sexual assault herself and she said that in The Washington Post She released an article a couple of years ago detailing her experience so as a journalist which is not what we do We are talk show with opinion You were a journalist for 10 year prior to taking this job

24:49 So as a journalist, it's our job to objectively report the news. I know that would be tough if you're someone who survived sexual assault but when i'm looking at this story she didn't give the story any context and she got upset that she was being attacked on twitter for tweeting a link that basically was condemning Kobe's character and accusing him of rape I think her job as a journalist was to put that in context. You have the responsibility and you need to have the journalistic acumen to write the full story, go to The Washington Post and say this man is nuanced character, this man has detailed layered history that we need to discuss but don't just tweet it out and be political reporter for The Washington Post and tweet it out and leave it there Because you're leaving yourself open to the attacks that you are now receiving. And so whether or not she should be fired, I think that she shouldn't put on leave like she was—I think it's inappropriate because we're in a time where we don't know what journalism is anymore. We have our president that attacks journalists. We have TMZ that broke the news to Vanessa Bryant that her husband passed away. You know? What are we doing now?

25:42 Yeah, this is again... it takes a while. This is what the machine is, this how the machine works Oh good! We've made about us Let's talk about us let's talk about how the president is mean to us and its so hard we got these click fuckers over there from TMZ doing horrible shit this is bleh-huh-hu Keshoggi, you know what I'm saying? It's like... Exactly. He was a journalist! Not all the other stuff he did just to put that out there. Because that's and if anything it's my life's work is that people realize it's better to turn the television off I will have succeeded this isn't yeah And I'm here to join you on that mission Of course We have we have two

26:33 really understand what the media is and reason why I brought up brought up Khashoggi is no matter what his negatives were The fact that he was a member of the quote-unquote member of the media. Yeah, they watched whitewashed all that yeah And it was like oh hero He's a journalist you know yes on the fairy things going on with him But when the shoes on other foot they don't have that same Mentality is like oh yeah We can drag this guy for four clicks and ran in way to come up I'd like that term dragon That's cool. I like that Yeah, so as Miss Lindsey Granger pointed out on here TMZ is the one that brought the news to Kobe's wife that he was dead. He got a tip that this had happened and then we were on the phone with various people from Kobe's camp for an hour before we posted his story So you know all I can say is this

27:34 When somebody of that magnitude dies so tragically, this becomes a worldwide massive story. And when you look at the way these things come down... I mean when you think about it, when there's a plane crash When you think about it, the media immediately says flight so and so going from Los Angeles to New York. And they're basically telling 300 families knowing that their relatives were on the plane because it's a news event

28:11 and they're not waiting for the sheriff or whoever to come out with all of the notifications or whatever because they've reported it because it's a news event. This, in our judgment was such a big news event that once we got... And by the way, we got it confirmed by Kobe's people that ultimately that's what happened. That's how we ended up posting it Good for you Harvey, you followed all the journalistic rules. Very good! So you got in touch with Kobe's people or his camp but his wife was blindsided by your news and you said you talked to him for an hour? That's disgusting I mean like how can you not say okay we need to get in touch with the wife first before you post it well... You know why

29:02 Yeah, because they want to be the first to it. To this- to the headline! I knew it! And most... That's just disgusting that you can say that The public loves it. You can't deny it people love it They want to know they need info give me clicks clickity click which is true But if your on a phone with the camp You would think to say, have you talked to his wife yet? Does she know before we run this thing out here but I have such disdain for TMZ and their parasites. Oh yeah it's soulless man. Yes parasites correct because honestly my personal belief is TMZ is like a

29:44 commercial form of a alphabet organization. They have their spies everywhere, hotels restaurants and this is how they operate I mean they have tentacles everywhere. Well it's better than that people be the big loudly take tips from people everywhere you know their number is well known people call in all the time and they pay him Yeah, and not only that I mean they say they have these random people to call them. I think they actually have plants in the hot spots to tip them off Sure, sure they do. Oh, I want to give you example because TMZ hands is not clean in this whole

30:26 tearing down of Kobe and this was right when Kobe Bryant won his Oscar for his short story and the film that was made out of it. I want you to hear one of the TMZ parasites, and imma use that term for them because thats what they are, they just feed like parasites. They just try to suck anything they can. Listen to him running around at the Oscars where Kobe received his award trying to stir up controversy Kobe Bryant's win. There are a lot of people that are saying because he had some accusations in the past and they're kind of surprised that he won, what is your reaction to that? I don't know but all i can say is that I'm kind of woefully ignorant about this situation but my hope is that project itself was judged on its merits

31:21 And that's what I want. So, that would be my hope yeah. Sorry if I didn't have a more interesting answer. No you're good! That was great answer you know? Thanks alot! I gotta ask real quick What did you think about Kobe winning the Oscar? Yeah, I thought it was incredible Really? There are people who even though he has been accused of things in the past like do you think that... Can i be honest with you? I know nothing about him You know nothing about what? I don't watch movies. Okay, he won for best animated documentary okay so but he's like you know had some accusations in the past do you think that matters? I have a lot of thoughts on things like that but really I'm gonna keep it political not to talk What do you think about Kobe Bryant winning an Oscar

32:05 I don't know much about his background, besides his career. Yeah, I think that's great. That he won? Nice! And this guy was literally told by I presume Harvey, go there and ask everybody about the rape allegations. And if they think it's okay just ask them that and that's exactly what he did because the guys have bought He's just like, oh, yeah, dude. What do you think? It's funny because always hear these guys. He's also trying to suck up to the stars. You doesn't want to be too embarrassing, you know Hey man, hey Hey, you know, what do you think

33:00 And it's what we do in American media. Particularly if you are a king or hero, or at the top... We like to bring people down and then have them come back hit It's what we do! This was perfect because let's call some people out for hypocrisy Or something like that. It is a machine move So to the machine Kobe had gotten green light or passed because He received his Oscar, he didn't really get heckled or booed at the Oscar. So that was like a weird thing because you would think the Me Too crowd would have really struck it up on him but they never could get any traction so that just made me wonder... Yeah but Moe if I can just interject, Kobe certainly at that moment in his life and career represented huge

33:54 Money huge corporate interest big goggles. Sorry Did I mention that oh, yeah But the money thing he's a he worked he's worked for Nike and Hollywood saw that he had chops to create. Oh, yeah content. He was a content creator so

34:32 Yeah, don't fuck with him. They saw a pass... yeah they saw a pass that like hands off nope I mean even at the Oscars no if you notice even when they were asked the question like i don't know nothing about Kobe uh... I'm not done for... Everybody had been coached up to say um... Yeah! I'm just here to celebrate life tonight everybody Right Well, in the past and the Colby is one guy that didn't get the message. And that's Mr. Ari Shafir. In all nine lives were taken in the helicopter crash and Calabasas with countless lives beyond affected by a no sugarcoating it devastating tragedy. That was until one comedian rubbed salt in an open wound. As I know there's always a lot of like hate pain in the world and so as much terrible stories

35:24 Meet Ari Shafir. Shafir with an upper echelon categorization of tone deaf reactions. It gets worse. Shafir tweeted, Kobe Bryant died 23 years too late. He got away with rape because all the Hollywood liberals who attack comedy enjoy rooting for the Lakers more than they dislike rape big ups to the hero who forgot to gas up his chopper I hate the Lakers what a great day he claimed he was hacked but you get the point

36:13 Oh brother, another dickhead who's just- ooh let me do this and I'll get attention because i've never heard of Ari David Shafir before. Yes but in all of being a butt hole he did say some truth there that we even foreshadowed to that the liberal Hollywood had plans for Kobe. So This is from TYT, just to let people know. This is from Young Turk Sports and watch how in this next clip

36:50 The narrator doesn't let opportunity to politicize this get past him. Side note, the Hollywood liberals argument quick example studios are contributing a plenty to the NRA and pro-gun politicians discarding the lives lost to gun violence each and every day in America including Netflix Warner Brothers plus Comcast, the corporate parent of Universal pertaining to Ari many notables shared their opinions. So now he's saying, oh the Hollywood is not liberal. They donate to pro-guns. Right I mean come on we all know that Hollywood is on the cutting edge of liberalism right so now Kobe's legacy and this work we're not talking about the man and I don't really do

37:42 The man stuff on what we talk, we always talk about the narrative and the legacy of how people are used or yeah are weaponized. At the same time while he was being attacked for being an alleged rapist, another demographic of feminists saw some good to use Mr. Kobe Bryant. It's likely that you're hearing many personal anecdotes about Kobe Bryant so here is mine I met Kobe one time backstage at an event for ESPN in New York and I saw him and thought oh my gosh that's Kobe I gotta get a picture for The Gram That's the picture

38:20 I didn't get it for a few minutes because as I approached him, he immediately commented on my rather large eight-month pregnant belly. How are you? How close are you? What are you having?" A girl," I said and then he high fived me. Girls are the best! I asked him for advice on raising girls seeing as though he quite famously had three at the time and he said just be grateful that you've been given that gift because girls are amazing His third daughter Bianca was about a year and half old at the time so I asked if he wanted more children And he said that his wife Vanessa really wanted to try again for a boy, but was sort of jokingly concerned that it would be another girl. And I was like four girls? Are you joking? Like what would you think how would you feel and without hesitation He said I would have five more girls if I could I'm a girl dad when it came to sports He said that his oldest daughter was an accomplished volleyball player and that the youngest was a toddler so TBD But that middle one he said that middle one with a monster she's a beast

39:18 She's better than I was at her age. She's got it." That middle one, of course, was Gigi. When I reflect on this tragedy and that half an hour that I spent with Kobe Bryant two years ago... ...I suppose the only small source of comfort for me is knowing he died doing what he loved the most being a dad. Being a girl dad. One comment. That was completely written and read goggles? No, by Ella Duncan. I mean it was scripted you could hear her reading it and you could hear her trying to throw inflection into it and make it sound conversational but it was scripted of course she cried at the end that was nice a nice touch yeah so the feminists had two different plans for Kobe because one he was a huge

40:14 supporter of women's basketball and the WNBA is really struggling right now. I mean, they can't... They've never made any money or made a profit but they're pushing for equality It's pretty bad when in our country women's soccer is leap years ahead of women's basketball Right, so they saw an opportunity here to say you know one faction and this is going to show people when you use term like feminist or whatever the ist or ism is there's always factions within those groups. And a corporate faction saw we could really monetize and uses God as a catalyst for our agenda. Money in the bank!

41:03 Yeah, the girl dad and that in it blew up girl. Dad was big hashtag watching though yeah I was watching Fox Morning News Wow I don't watch my wife watches it but I mean I have to hear it and it's like girl girl dad I'm a girl dad you know no all my dad the girl dad And I'm like let's be clear people. I have three daughters. I'm a girl dad But I can say When you have girl, girl, girl as a parent in general. You're looking maybe to have another of the opposite sex so you have some experience? That's typically yeah. Typically say shit man give me one boy might as well these three girls can take care of him later on

41:54 Which the inverse of that, I have two other brothers and no sisters. And my parents were shooting for a girl right now you know so it works both ways i'm not saying no just it got that knife cuts one direction but do you can see how they're weaponized and it was Such a huge hashtag that it bled over into our one of our favorite shows the real oh We want to begin again by giving our condolences to Kobe Bryant's family on the tragic loss And we want to give condolences to all the victims of that tragic helicopter crash that happened on Sunday

42:35 Out of that tragedy though, there are some inspiring amazing stories that are coming out about how Kobe touched so many. With just his thoughtfulness and his loving this take a look at the story I asked if he wanted more children and he said that his wife Vanessa really wanted to try again for a boy but was sort of jokingly concerned that it would be another girl. And i was like, four girls? Are you joking? Like what would you think how would you feel and without hesitation He said I would have five more girls If I could! I'm a girl dad This video has since gone viral. It was retweeted over 30,000 times when ESPN put it up and it has many men proudly stating that they are hashtag girl dad. How do you feel about this?

43:31 Wow, okay. Yeah Let me tell you I have three girls. I have a daughter and two stepdaughters No way no way. I want five more of that no way. I don't care what you say no way Got asked testosterone around somewhere uh-huh yeah balance. I mean just balanced We're asking for some some balance. I mean oh When my son came, it was like, woo! At least I can relate to somebody. It becomes a bit interesting but you could hear how they were taking the legacy and running with it.

44:09 Well, which is... Miss Gayle King. Hold on a second before you go there. Okay Which I find also inappropriate it's just as inappropriate as saying well this is rape case not- It just isn't who gives a shit the man has just died and oh he was so beautiful now how I don't like any of that whether its positive or negative it's just I don't know if I find it icky anyway. Well they brought him down to two things is like one he's a rapist and the other, he's a dad of girls. I heard you play basketball too i'm not sure if he was any good though? That's not important we can't- We'll leave that up to Nike you know get ready to monetize however they're going to monetize but

44:54 Miss Gayle King, she didn't get the message. Let me get you up to speed on Tuesday's CBS This Morning aired Gail's interview with former WNBA star Lisa Leslie in the wide ranging interview Gail asked Kobe Bryant longtime friend about his tragic death in January. He will be missed but he will not be forgotten that's for sure. Gale also asked about his 2003 rape charge and subsequent criminal case it's been said that his legacy is complicated because of sexual assault charge which was dismissed in 2003, 2004. Is it complicated for you as a woman? As a WNBA player? Kobe's he was never like that I just never see have ever seen him being the kind of person that would be do something to violate a woman or be aggressive in that way this is not the person that I know The network later posted a clip of that specific moment and people got mad

45:52 Now is it helpful that because this is where I kind of picked up the story although interestingly, I knew a lot about these other things Do you want so would I tell you how this came across and what this meant to me? And what I looked at please please So and it was said the keeper was looking at this. Yeah, she's heartbroken over this and she's a sports fan Although we never watch sports but you know, she's Chicago. She's Chicago Bulls Bears all this stuff socks But she's just heartbroken over, you know I think mainly because the daughter was also on the helicopter. And so she showed me this

46:28 and the subsequent Snoop thing. But what I heard, so I saw this like hmm that's interesting yeah it's kind of a shitty question but then i saw Gayle King's Instagram I know you're gonna get there I'm sure and her main point was well its bullshit because out of context It was a long interview And I guess The Intuit even aired the day or two days earlier So I don't know if that was in the interview but it was the little clip that was put online which out of context And so at first I was like, oh man what a horrible woman to do that. And then her defense as a journalist...I thought to myself well yeah I can kind of understand you know they they do that kind of shitty stuff out of context and it can just hit wrong and get someone to rile it up on social media. So I kind of gave Gail in my mind a pass and that's when I dropped it. That's when I was done with the whole thing

47:23 Well, hold on Curry. No boys. I need you to put that pity party on postpone. Oh boy! Stand by everybody we're going down. All right so... She said they took it out of context. So we don't do sound clips and sound bites on this show No, we always go back and get the full IO that way we can Make our own judgment if it was no cherry-picked or if it was Actually what she said what she said so in this next clip I have the transition from one subject to the next subject in the actual interview with Lisa Leslie.

48:25 because of a sexual assault charge which was dismissed in 2003, 2004. Is it complicated for you as a woman? As a WNBA player? It's not complicated for me at all. Even if there is a few times that we've been at the club, Kobe is not the kind of guy who has never been like, you know, please go get that girl or tell her or send her this I have other NBA friends that are like that. Kobe was never like that. I just have ever seen him being the kind of person who would be Do something to violate a woman or be aggressive in that way. I guess it's not the person that I know but Lisa You wouldn't see it though as this friend you wouldn't see and that's possible So was that the real transition? That was not an edit Yes, that's the real trend and you sure because even the audio sounded like I mean that that Was there a cut in the video? Well, I can tell that I'm sure what edited

49:27 When they edited it, but that's not an edit of mine. This came from almost a 6 minute... No no I understand. I just want to hear this. Yeah this came from a... yeah. I just wanna look at the waveform hold on a second let me let me just look at that. She had the mentality. Mamacita was gonna make it, she was gonna be in the WNBA. It's been said that his... I don't know man that's hard to tell them zooming in. It could have been, I'm not taking away, it could have been one segment edited into another segment. It's horrible if no matter if it was edited or not, if it went out on air like that is horrible Well, here's the thing. If she would just ask the question... You know his past is complicated. But it was right after talking about her daughter being great in the WNBA

50:15 True, but let's just say we're gonna give it a benefit of doubt. She's doing her journalistic due diligence and she has to ask the tough questions right? Yes And that was the justification from a lot of other journalists or media people Well she had to ask the question That's our job you know she had asked the question Fine It was the last 20 seconds of the clip Yeah what she said But you were his friend You wouldn't really know would ya Yeah, I heard that. That is what really pissed people off because it's like hold on Gail you know you just ask her a question and then you're gonna basically answer for like why asking that if you think her response is going to be biased? Yeah and I don't think I heard that last part in any original that I saw

51:03 I know you didn't. Did you just say, I know you did? Yes. That's what we do here because I played the ET clip that was entertainment tonight and if you let them hear it she just asked a question about his legacy being difficult or none of that like leading the witness kind of thing but that's what pissed everybody off Yes. And she continues! I just don't believe that and i'm not saying things didn't happen, I just don't believe that things didn't happen with force Is it even a fair question to talk about it considering he's no longer with us and that it was resolved or is it really part of his history?

51:58 that the media should be more respectful at this time. It's like if you had questions about it, you've had many years to ask him that I don't think is something we should keep hanging over his legacy He went to trial The case was dismissed because the victim refused to testify so it was dismissed And I think that is how we should leave it Yeah, you know what this is a sad statement that this is the Tiffany broadcast network CBS ladies and gentlemen who do this then they know better than TMZ and Even though you're so successful Don't you think it's a little troubling that you and Oprah wear fanny packs and go into the woods camping together? I mean does that really say anything. I mean fuck man You can do anything with anybody

52:57 Horrible and I think she thought she was gonna get you know Lisa Leslie to kind of side with her or give her You know something to run. Well, that would be the media way Yeah But she didn't anything is Gail called Lisa Leslie for this interview Let me throw this alley-oop up to her pun intended and see if she slams it home and Lisa Leslie slammed the door in her face. It was like, nah I'm not no let's leave it where it was that you had time to ask him these questions when he was alive You know and you didn't and this is what started everything

53:40 So let's get into the backlash. When Kobe was 24, he was charged with one count of felony assault after a then 19-year old woman went to the police claiming he'd sexually assaulted her in his Colorado hotel room back in 2003. The case was dropped in 2004 after the accuser declined to testify. The same woman also filed a civil lawsuit which was settled out of court in 2005 Right Yeah, so that was just as a backgrounder to catch people up on the alleged out of the allegation or Or the other event in question. Mm-hmm To me I don't get into people bedrooms however the court said if you notice when we talk about others Celebrities are iconic figures. I don't go for the low hanger fruit. I don't go for this sexual innuendo whatever like that right and it's like

54:34 So we can talk about what their motives were, but the whole purpose of this whole Gail King interview was to get all this churn back up. Even Snoop Dogg took to social media with an explicit message for Gail. We expect more from you, Gail. Don't you hang out with Oprah? Why are y'all attacking us? We your people! On Thursday, Gail responded to the backlash on Instagram. If I had only seen the clip that you saw I'd be extremely angry with me too. I am mortified, I'm embarrassed and I am very angry." And she shared her side of the story. Unbeknownst to me my network put up a clip from a very wide-ranging interview totally taken out of context and when you see it that way it's very jarring. It's jarring to me so I've been told or have been advised

55:28 To say nothing, but that's not good enough for me I reached out to Lisa because I know that she's a longtime friend of Kobe's to talk about his legacy and their friendship we had a really Wide-ranging interview talked about many things And yes We talked about that court case because that court cases also come up and I wanted to get Lisa's take on it as a friend who knew him well what she thought Where that should stand right? Okay, but really she said I want to know what you think of it as a friend. Okay Thanks, that's great But your friend so you really can't know so she was very very mean very mean yes, oh, I see it now all right All right And another thing maybe we didn't catch and clip 14

56:18 The reporter uses the same verbiage that Gail uses. It's a wide-ranging interview. Oh, can I go back and listen to that? Yeah it's probably in the first 10 20 seconds. Let me get you up to speed on Tuesday CBS This Morning aired Gail's interview with former WNBA star Lisa Leslie In the wide ranging interview, Gail asked Kobe Bryant... Good catch! So when I heard this, I was like ohhhhhh This is damage control Because of what Snoop Dogg said and we haven't even got to what Snoop Dogg said We got a clip of What Snoop Dogg said because they didn't want to give his words any more oxygen so the fire can burn but as i said before we don't do clips here or sound bites

57:12 I went and got the whole Snoop Dogg Instagram post. Gayle King, out of pocket for that shit way out of pocket what do you gain from that? I swear to God we're the worst We're the fucking worse! We expect more from you Gayle Don't you hang out with Oprah Why are yall attacking us?! We your people You ain't coming after Harvey Weinstein asking them dumb ass questions I get sick of ya'll I wanna call you one

57:50 Is it okay if I call him one? Funky dog head bitch. How dare you try to tarnish my motherfucking homeboy's reputation, punk motherfucker! Respect the family and back off... Bitch before we come get you. Please! Alright, so very valid comment about Harvey Weinstein. Almost no coverage, very low coverage because you know Trump impeachment then we had Kobe yeah but very little actual Harvey Weinstein coverage and then funky dog-haired ass bitch is that what he said? Dog head No dog head okay all right well then I understand it

58:43 I didn't, they think it's dog hair but dog head. All right got it yeah but you know respect for the family I hear him I hear him But one thing he said They took and they latched onto it, and they spin it when he said we're coming for you. We'll come for you or will come get you Yeah hold on that's at the very end right? At the very end Let me just play that part How dare you try to torrent my motherfucking homeboys reputation punk motherfucker Respect a family back off bitch before we come get you Okay before we- The family clearly Mmhmm

59:24 Before we come get you so now just mark that down But I want to go back to the point. You talked about before about Harvey Weinstein Now this girl interview not surprised at all. I was waiting on it This is what they do. This is what Gail and Oprah does they have a They're known for this kind of behavior. Oh, looking front there looking and this is why I brought it up because to the mainstream media watchers they won't catch this because as you heard in the clip they took a little snippet of what? Of the interview and kinda like the low impact information and then they took a little clip of Snoop Dogg and told you how bad it was but didn't play

1:00:15 And that's all you heard. But Gayle King and Oprah have a history of looking the other way when it comes to white men, Powerful white men in Hollywood or television, but when it comes to black man you remember the R Kelly interview? That really made her go viral. And I think she got bit by the viral bug and thought she was going to get the same thing again What do you think this is? Is this a hatred of black men, it's it a hatred of man. We're going to call out the evil elements who are doing horrible things according us so we can make us better? Is that what it is and what the hell are they thinking when who made them the bosses of us

1:01:05 It's the gender war. So it is purely that, huh? But you but yeah okay yep no it's the I mean yeah you're right it's a gender war and as I said before 2020 is important kind of all this is underlying uh we have to separate ourselves into our own demographic uh separate ourselves from black men yeah if you don't carry the water push the feminist agenda, if you don't push the intersectionality agenda whatever agenda it is. If you don't push it then we need to marginalize you." So they saw an excellent example of attacking Kobe Bryant that get another feather in their cap there's one less conversation we got oh we're covering this Me Too thing on top of it without talking about the real power structure

1:02:00 We don't want to talk about the real, the less moon phases of the world. No! The Harvey Weinstein's of the world True power there yes exactly The white power by definition of last show what white really is Is nepotism Exactly So they thought David Grant and Gail and Oprah are passing And they're earning their keep. Oh, of course! Good job girls Don't we see the same thing with Hoover? Let's attack what we are the hardest so we can pass Really yeah I never considered that Yes this is what we're talking about here

1:02:59 And I know you probably, not you but people are saying well Moe your stretching there. Let's hear how Gayle King spoke on Charlie Rose Gayle King opened up about the MeToo movement in a profile with The New York Times, which published online on Wednesday. The CBS This Morning anchor extensively discussed how the movement evolved from a topic she covered on the news to something she's had to face head-on as a number of her colleagues at CBS have been accused of sexual misconduct and harassment. King's co-worker Charlie Rose who co-hosted CBS This Morning alongside CBS CEO Les Moonves and 60 Minutes executive producer Jeff Fager have all

1:03:39 been accused of misconduct over the past year. King told The Times that, meaning she believes the accusers while also believing that the accused men shouldn't be banished for life. She also discussed the possibility of redemption for the men accused saying, King added that it is difficult to talk about the MeToo movement and brought up Matt Damon's comments as an example. King said she isn't sure what Rose's next career steps will be, and while she doesn't anticipate on working with Rose again, she revealed

1:04:26 they do still keep in touch. I know there are two sides to every story, that's what i know," she said before sharing that she recently called Rose to check-in on him after he had a health scare. The Times reached out to Rose for comment and to which he responded via email, "'Hallelujah! The Sunday Times is profiling Gale...there IS A GOD IN HEAVEN.'" Rose did eventually speak with the Times and had nothing but praise for his former cohost. For more on this story head to THR.com and until next time for The Hollywood Reporter News I'm Neha Joy That's great. You know, I'm able to hold two things in my head at one time Yes! I am very special that way Now actually have a minute clip of her on CBS On The Morning Show talking about it if you're interested

1:05:10 Sure, sure. Let's hear it." The Washington Post is signaling there may be more revelations about what CBS News knew about claims of inappropriate conduct by former anchor Charlie Rose In a story published yesterday the post detailed three occasions during which it says CBS managers were warned of Rose's conduct Alright Anna thank you Listen the more you hear about this story the more awkward and uncomfortable it is But the good news is, if you can say good news is that the company's investigating hired somebody from the outside and I really do feel let the chips fall where they may. This investigation is continuing and we take it very very seriously as a son of somebody who worked in the news business in the 50s and 60s

1:05:49 the women who had to come forward, what they had to do. The anguish they had to live through, the courage it took to come forward and the frustration of having to be silent and feel like you can't have a voice so it's good that that they can get some kind of relief through this investigation I also think about the other damage in this which is all the people who work here those long nights who fling themselves across the country to cover stories who are part of this now and dealing with it as well. Which is why it's important we're investigating the past, but even more important that we're moving forward. And there are a lot of professionals in the building doing a very good job I don't want people to forget you know there are a lot of people doing a lot of good work here as you pointed out

1:06:26 Boy awkward very awkward just it's really bad man this bad predators or no I'm sorry you know at least the company is investigating that's very good good news yeah and And if you go back to her clip, she said well he's a friend. You know? And I can see things two ways. You know, I could believe the women... Why couldn't Lisa Leslie do the same thing then?! You hear that hypocrisy now we're starting to see how we're covering there's a difference in how we color by... I'm gonna slip my tongue but How we cover people by their quote-unquote color Yeah It's like Charlie Rose

1:07:10 car you know it could be this could be that could be i don't know man maybe yeah well maybe she just sweet on charlie so let's listen to uh gail king on um moonviz. Yeah I am so sorry again that it hits so close to home for us, you know? I'm sick and sick of the story and sickened by everything that we keep hearing but the part you mentioned about transparency is very disturbing to me because i would think How can we have this investigation and not know how it comes out? Les Moonves has been on the record. He says, listen he didn't do these things that it was consensual that he hasn't hurt anybody's career and I would think it would be in his best interest for us to hear what the report finds out On the other hand you have women who are coming forward very credibly talking about something That's so painful And so humiliating It's been my experience that women don't come out and speak this way for no reason They just don't they just don't do it

1:08:01 I don't know how we move forward if we at CBS, don't have full transparency about what we find. John, you know, I wasn't here yesterday because I was in a wedding in Europe as you guys know but I thought it was interesting when you said... A friend of yours said for 30 years this has haunted her because we've of course were talking about it all weekend and someone said what? How does anybody remember what happened thirty years ago? When is that traumatic and that humiliating, you remember every single detail Oh brother. Gail! So disingenuous. Since there's so many details there, let's get some of these women on the couch. Let's have a whole week special and talk to them about Moonves and Charlie Rose and other guys... We got plenty guys we can talk about But as a friend you know like you can't really tell now can ya? You don't really know do you? Aw man. Yeah oh.. So now we're seeing

1:08:59 People that's sensitive to this have been picking up on this and we're waiting for the exposés for these guys like She even said in that clip that I'm sick of this story Yeah, not it. This is a great day for women You know did you know the victims finally get to tell their truth? She said no, I'm sick of his story. I know What? Now you're sick of it, but when is somebody like you know and let me make something clear I am NOT taking up for R Kelly. I'm not taking off any of them What I want is fairness if you're gonna cover one group of people that one way Be just and cut cover this other people the same way we don't really want that otherwise We'd have no show we want people just to be themselves And that'll help us

1:09:48 Right. So, Gail's not- let's not beat up on Gail too much! Oh, lets go to Oprah! Yes, please. Let's talk about what is happening with Harvey Weinstein I know you posted on Facebook already but you haven't kind of spoken yet publicly about what is going on? I think that this is...I'm always trying to look for the rainbow in the clouds whatever it is silver lining and this is what I do know for sure when something major happens When you have the fallout 50 women coming forward That its watershed moment I do believe is actually happening, is that first of all it's triggering a lot of unreleased pain repressed anger guilt and suffering that a lot of women have had. I happen to be on set with several actresses the other day and we were filming some things and they were like they hadn't slept

1:10:42 over a period of two or three days and I was like, what is that? He said oh you guys are suffering from PTSD. And when you start talking about it out loud too we haven't talked about it Everybody has a story everybody has a story and so I think this is a watershed moment and if we make this just about Harvey Weinstein then we will have lost this moment. Wow! That's pretty egregious She's looking for the rainbow on the silver lining. We can't make this just about Harvey Weinstein. Oh, we need some unicorns! Wow... And I want to say this Snoop Dogg's attack was really an attack on Oprah. Gale just happened to walk

1:11:31 Into the crossfire. Because he said, oh you're friends with Oprah right? And that's when he really started landing on thick because people have spotted this about Oprah You had Michael Jackson and Bill Cosby... As someone who has worked with Michael Jackson I've determined that if anything he was asexual and I witnessed That whole trial, I was alive. I was working and in the business. I saw what was going on. I was always rooting for him. In fact he got killed and people hung up on me... And it turns out of course that he really was! I remember one of the most impressive

1:12:21 moments of Michael Jackson to me was when he was with Oprah and that she's at Neverland and they're in his theater, and he just stuck and he just starts riffing. And I still get goosebumps when I think about it. Like, oh my God! It's so talented and Oprah was just like, Oh Michael, huh? You know we grew up together almost like... Forget Diana take me Michael and then the way in that shitty ass documentary that came out which really bothered me. I mean I didn't even watch the whole thing. I know what was going on. I know who these people were. I saw that happen. I was there. I was in the business

1:12:57 So, and then how Oprah propagated that was to me very disappointing. That's when she lost all my respect. I never pay attention to her so...I didn't know there was this continuous thing going on that she likes to discredit black men! And the latest one was Russell Simmons. That was the latest one at her target and people kind of pushed back on her so she kind of took herself out of the... I saw it differently, i saw it as enough for her to just get that going and then I don't think even really intended to be a part of the documentary

1:13:33 I don't think so. Well, isn't that what Oprah's known for? Yes! She has to put her name on something and then it just takes a life of its own Now is her picture still on the wall next to Martin Luther King and JFK or is it sliding down Well, that was only in some households. So I'm thinking in some there's coming down and others is strengthening her but... And I know for sure one household has been off the wall and that's for Miss Monique. You're familiar with Monique right?

1:14:11 No, how would I know Monique? From the movie Precious. Oh yeah of course! Well Monique and Oprah have had a running feud ever since Precious. Stuff i didn't know...I'm glad you're on the showbiz tip Mo this is very handy So what happened was that Monique claims that Oprah blackballed her Her and Oprah and Lee Daniels blackballed her because she went and do press runs for the movie Precious. So of course Monique had something to say when this whole beef kicked up. Welcome back to TMZ Live, it is one of the things we say frequently here that there are certain people in Hollywood you don't hear other people in Hollywood go after

1:15:05 uh... but monique has never been one to hold her tongue and felt very strongly about something she observed happening with oprah winfrey and so she did not hold back this we wrote an open letter uh... criticizing oprah for uh... four attacking than by attacking i mean working on documentaries producing documentaries of that went after powerful black men, Russell Simmons and Michael Jackson while not saying anything at least publicly about Harvey Weinstein or being critical of Harvey Weinstein. So Monique spilled this out in an open letter that was extremely critical of Oprah. Hmm. OK. Monique she doesn't bite her tongue. No.

1:15:56 And as just imagine somebody said, well you know certain people in Hollywood. You just don't criticize that this is what's happening and what you're with I want to do it. I want people to realize what they're witnessing here the old guard. Yes the old bullet guard. Yeah. Yep. It has lost their power. It's slipping because the media and this is the same for politicians and when I think I've said it here before These people still think you do the ET interview. You do the, you know they do the thing with the right people... You know have Charlie Rose interview you around-the-table really deep and intriguing and probing And that's how you get your message out except that's not how it works That's why Gail said yeah I don't really usually do this Instagram because she doesn't get it

1:16:47 And what Snoop does, he gets it. He's a part of that although he's moving towards the older guard too but not like Oprah and yeah the power is gone all politicians still think oh you know I just go on the Sunday morning talk shows and they'll be fine no no no yes so this is a talented 10th aka the bullae of their slowly being called out for the actions. And let's just hear Monique do it going after Oprah, good idea or not? So Monique Welcome back to TMZ live How are you doing? Wonderful. I see you have Sydney is there with you too sorry I didn't sit in

1:17:31 Doing wonderful. How y'all doing? We're good, we're alright! So what was the impetus for writing this because Oprah had backed out of the Russell Simmons documentary gosh I feel like it was a month ago but this weekend you decided you just had to get this out well because i had just seen the interview that she did when she was asked the question in reference to Russell. And I had seen the interview that she did when it came to Harvey, so it was fresh because I had just seen it and when you use words like what was the word? Criticizing? Yeah, criticizing. Criticizing Oprah. Well if you read it...I don't know if its being critical moreso than asking Oprah questions What's the central question Why is there such a difference

1:18:24 Why is there different words used and a different fight head when it seems like the color of the skin? Makes you look for the clouds in the silver lining. And when it comes to a black man, I believe these women well How come why is it different? Let's say mate well now Why is it different this is a good question very depends if that man can do something for her I guess That, and then another question I want to lay on top of Monique's question is why is the liberal media not jumping on this? If you care so much about people of color, colored people. Why are you not calling Oprah out as protectors of this power structure

1:19:18 But they won't do it. But I'll give you an example of how they'll do a blackmail that they like to call out, this is from the Young Turks Sports and one of your favorites are Mr Jason Whitlock. Oh okay Kobe Bryant's the most fraudulent superstar celebrity athlete we have ever seen because of his unique upbringing he chose to be a knockoff rather than an original. I've been criticizing Kobe for a long time, Chanel knock off bag or whatever that's what Kobe is to Jordan. Why does he have to have two jerseys? I thought it was on brand for Kobe, he's a bit of a narcissist. I would love for a documentary to be done on Kobe slimmer the kind of way OJ Simpson was examined and what he said about race. He spent 20 years in the NBA

1:20:08 and never figured out it's a team game, and it's about the pleasure of everyone. I compare Kobe's death- stick with me here to Pat Tillman's death. Let's nip this in the bud. Jason Whitlock is a sellout he says trustworthy as $3 bill as much credibility as Jared Kushner on foreign affairs as authentic as his newly formed hairline He's a well paid actor I think he's going to go down in history as the smartest basketball player we've ever seen. So when he says this, attempting to mop up his entire career being built by shitting on the black athletes, they focused on his history not his fake sympathy. Well that's, I mean the way this report was put together, I feel uh...I don't feel so good about Jason Whitlock right now well Jason Whitlock i will say

1:20:57 Most of his critiques are were about basketball Kobe's basketball. Yeah, and it was commonly Accepted that Kobe was toxic on the basketball floor didn't pass I know that's that's the big thing not a passer. Yeah Nobody wanted to play with him That was the narrative you know no LA had all this money And they couldn't keep players to come play with him because he was such an intense person You know it was like We're going to do it my way. That's what the Mamba mentality was, it was just we're gonna work 110% and if you can't get on board with that he will basically run you out of town or break you." So Jason Whitlock critiques heard here in this clip were fair

1:21:44 The one I didn't really care for was he got into Kobe's personal relationship with his wife. That kind of took some of the luster off Jason Whitlock as well, for me because that's outside the bounds. You don't get into people's... But I will say this every sports major sports icon they form this love-hate relationship with a major athlete This is how they come up. Skip Bayless, he has it with LeBron. Stephen A Smith had it with Kevin Durant. I mean cuz like you... Got it got it got it That's how you write a bad about the guy. Everybody loves the guy if you hate the guy You said that's how you come out yeah It's no different than music Yeah but

1:22:36 My question is, this guy says Jason Whitlock wants to bring down the black athlete. So Young Turks where's your article on Oprah? Where's your clips on Oprah I mean she talking about bringing them down in life not just sports and then this guy uses a weird term like he's a sellout it's like I told you these liberal white people Somehow get a pass to use these terms like I brought up before Kuhn. Yay. Yeah, you heard him say sellout They use other terms but do it is sell out considered to be the racial

1:23:20 No, but it's racial when you use in terms of saying he's bringing down black athletes and him being a black guy. I mean because you could be a sellout uh in the music industry uh because you came in as an indie star and then you sold out became a pop star. I mean so the work-the term sellout in itself is not a loaded term, it's how you use it. So he was basically saying he's a sellout because He's black and he wants to take down black athletes so where is your clips on calling Oprah a sell out but nobody would do it?

1:23:57 Well, no. She's powerful man! Sports figures are also more fair game for commentary That's the whole television game is commentary about the players and how they played etc Oprah is just not to be criticized if you want to work in media If I can go on a one minute tangent Look at how they did Terry Crews when he was saying he was broke too. Oh, yeah absolutely! Yeah oh he's a hero you know Terry woohoo yeah Terry got groped but when he came out said I didn't see anybody being racist to uh Gabriel Union they drug him so it's not just sports it's not just sports well I digress So what I did was I went and to one of my new favorite sources

1:24:51 Really didn't listen to him much. But the more I listened to she has a very interesting show miss Karen Hunter and she's with mr Lamont King No relation to kill king, I don't believe so and they Discussed this new cross the line but sure we coming to get you that could have been he could he can say black Twitter or Us now, you know, I mean like I was sending nobody to the crib. No, I mean, I don't I mean, and here's another thing that if 50-something year old grandfather having wearing his daughter scarf wearing snoops. Yeah If we're being honest, I don't think he was threatening her life what i'm saying is somebody could perceive it because there are a lot of stupid people out there A lot of kids out there too So with that, I feel like they could have pivoted her and Oprah

1:25:36 And really thrown it back and be like, oh my god Snoop just threatened my life. And turn it back on Snoop and make Snoop look like the villain. They don't have to cash in? I feel like they could have. I'm gonna tell you why they've been white men for too long and as it relates to black people for them to turn it on the snoop would require black people to be on their side yeah but we don't even play with threats though. We don't play with threats, but what I heard her say like that would require people to go after Snoop and say that was wrong shut that down blah blah blah blah blah and I'm saying... Oh! I guarantee you that would have been possible. How? Oprah and Gayle Yeah, they make the right phone calls and somebody's like a snoop. You know what you my man at all But that was too much fam. You know I'm saying that Discuss what you could tell you what you took away from that

1:26:29 No, you go ahead because I just want to process. So she basically called Oprah and Gayle white men. Well yeah! And for full disclosure Karen Hunter is a black woman too she said that if the people aren't with you You know, they couldn't do anything. They couldn't really turn this around but this guy Lamont King was spot on because he's like you can make the right phone calls and Snoop could be made to back off And the funny thing is one of my good friends we discussed these things and me and him had the same conversation even before This whole thing while it was going on real time It was like

1:27:15 Snoop he's stepping on some Some of the wrong toes if you want to be working in this town Yeah, if you want to work if you want a guy have about poverty. Yeah You can use it you can go after these people but I'm seeing the snoop Dogg podcast on the horizon But I mean, I'm sure Oprah has What's her name The one he does the shows with, her name slips my mind. Who is it? Snoop? Yeah, Snoop! The one Snoop does the show with I don't know. Martha Stewart, Martha Stewart! Oh! I'm sure Oprah has Martha Stewart's number like ehhh or whoever does the game shows that Snoop is on. Well she has incredible power in the television business so anything he was doing in television and I would argue when Hollywood although her main phone call you know is uh in court right now because if you

1:28:14 I mean if you could call Harvey Weinstein and say hey, problem with this guy. It was over That's now hopefully changed but in television for sure Oprah can call anybody Get any Turner Ted Turner is another one cuz he had to show on TBS I'm sure I'm sure Oprah has all these people's numbers and like you know well sadly Sadly Ted Turner has Alzheimer's and he's a plant now so that's not a call you want to make yeah Okay But your point is Yeah, I mean it's people that they can call. They just didn't know who they could call at the time they were having this discussion but let's continue to listen to uh did they cross some line? You know what i'm saying? Who is saying that? Black Twitter? Who's saying that because no not as big a black twitter so black twitter's not saying it so who's saying it

1:28:58 If you call the right person, I gotta think about it. You can call the right person! Somebody senior to Snoop who's maybe 55 instead of 54... You gotta let me think about it. Okay, Imma give you two the break. They could have thrown her back and then faded back into the shadows. No because with the climate and temperature people were like good. Have you been watching the comments? So them saying Threaten my life and oh, this is terrible you see you know and try to play that role with where they sit as I'm saying And i'm not being disrespectful. I'm saying that they have not been You can show up to black things but to be in the community You can show up to west side high and give money you can be in different places and donate money But they have not been black people for a long time because of the level of wealth and how they move So they're not black people

1:29:56 No. Fantastic. That's what I was making about them passing. I'm more black than them, damn it! I can see it now clearly So yeah they're passing so is there this Karen uh what's her name? Karen Hunter where she working I want to listen to the show where she on when she's on a the sound like a radio. Oh, serious? Serious XM? Yeah she on Sirius yeah you can find her on YouTube as well. Okay alright she sounds fun to listen to all right cool She does have a very interesting show and she makes some very interesting points but

1:30:32 I think she was a little off on this because she underestimated the power of one, sympathy. Because that's exactly what Gail King and Oprah did. We covered it already in the clips that they played the he threatened me role. He said come to get me my death threat but i want to point out in the earlier clips about the previous reporter they got the same death threats so you can't put this on snoop right You know, I mean one you it's not equivalent to say yeah oh snoop said this so now i'm getting death threats no Snoot didn't say anything about uh the lady from the Washington Post but she got death threats because she came against trying to smear Kobe's image. Right So I think that's not a fair No One-to-one correlation is saying what Snoot said I'm getting death threats

1:31:23 But let's let Karen and Lamont finish up. White people don't treat them like black people? And so you could use that is all I'm saying, you make that right phone call to a person...I don't even know their name! As a white person i'd like to hear the beginning over again. White people don't treat them like black people?! That's right That's nice. Snoop has agency. Everybody does an apology tour. You out your damn mind! Everybody does the apology tour. Snoop has agency, he said what he said there's nothing you can do about it take away the Martha Stewart thing He still gonna get money because black people are going support Snoop Dogg no matter what and even more so I agree but you saying he is bigger than doing an apology tour? Yes When they come get you they coming to get you Snoop Huh Oh interesting Yeah exactly Exactly So I think Kara Hunter she knows better

1:32:30 She knows better, but in black media this situation for the people in black media was very sensitive because the people were with Snoop. Yeah But the media is Oprah. Yeah, and the talent tenth... Because Oprah could definitely- shit I could call one person that's serious and get this- yeah i could get Karen off there if I really want it's one person like it's one call but I could do that I mean so Oprah imagine imagine oh no of course you gotta be thinking about that So she gave Snoop

1:33:17 She knows Snoop was not more powerful than Oprah. Oprah could easily shut down, um Shut down snoot but she was playing to her audience She's like you know I'm on Snoop side. I want to yo so can't be taken come on knock it off right now Nobody's above and that's the thing about when you become a billionaire That's a whole different She was making two points at once. But she was saying one, that there haven't been black people for a long time because of the money and the influence they have but then Snoop has more power than Oprah now. I don't know how to do that. Yeah no way! I don't think Barack Obama had a party at Snoop's house to raise money for his campaign in 2012. I don't think so. Exactly So Oprah comes out

1:34:11 and she plays the sympathy card as Lamont King alluded to. I think the last 24 hours for your best friend have been pretty difficult after that interview with Lisa Leslie about Kobe, and I just wondered just how she's doing? She is not doing well. May I say she is not... She is not doing well because she has now death threats and has to travel with security And um..she's feeling very much attacked You know, Bill Cosby is texting from jail and she's not doing well.

1:34:52 She was put in a really terrible position because that interview had already ran. It was over and in the context of the interview everyone seemed fine including Lisa Leslie, and it was only because somebody at The Network put up that clip and I can see how people would obviously be very upset if you thought that Gayle was just trying to press to get an answer from Lisa Leslie. So she propagates the lie because again, that's not what it was about it was about Gira's friend you wouldn't really know anyway. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't about the question I mean she just asked that one question You know what they fooled me mo they had me fool. They had me fooled. I was all but now again I did not dive in this is not my topic to do but they had me definitely and that's the whole point I mean with headlines That's why there so powerful now that The majority of people only reads the headlines and maybe the first paragraph

1:35:55 You know, so of course mostly the headlines. I mean when you look it up down a timeline So was they understand how it works? But what they don't Understand is there's people that are spotting these trends Yeah with the time line It isn't lying and you can go back on your line and say okay There's a data point there's a data point there's a data point and you start formulating these You know, these ideas are old. I see how you do things different depending on who's involved." What did Bill Cosby tweet? I am not even sure. You can look it up if you want to. How does he have a Twitter in jail? It's another question! I thought he was going blind, so that's even... That's right! Can't walk is blind and yep, Twitter is jail. To throw his name there, Bill didn't do them any service because when you link Snoop Dogg's name to Bill Cosby now

1:36:59 You're guilty by association. Of course, that's what it's a tool. Yeah right so you had that was this is let people know who was on the interview there was OODA I think is her name? Yoda? Yoda and Bush Lady Bush's granddaughter, I believe. Yeah...I guess. I'm watching Fox News with your wife and have no idea what that was going on. It's Hoda yeah. So if you listen to them in the morning they're like oh no! Isn't that the show where they drink in the morning?

1:37:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah In this next clip I'm gonna give you a task Okay, a major talking point was laid out in this next clip with Oprah. She obviously all things pass she will be okay but she hasn't slept in two days really what do you think about all that criticism I think the vitriol is I think anybody can criticize anything but the misogynist vitriol

1:38:22 and the attacking to the point where it is dangerous to be in the streets alone because it's not just the people who are attacking, its' the other people who take that message and feel like they can do whatever they want to because of it. You know? You have built this community thats what you're doing with this tour thats what you do with your friends we have best friends We were talking about this last night That if one of our friends was going through this It's you! There's no difference between you What do you do?! You support them and you know I was on the phone with her this morning, I was on the phone with her last night. I was on the phone with her before. I think you stand in the gap. You try to be there for your friends but it's very hard because when you have social media and the force of social media and particularly people who didn't see either interview making attacks

1:39:15 And I think everybody has the right to have their opinion but to do it with such vitriol is hate and meanness. Well, I heard misogynist in there. Yeah Misogynists vitriol yes yeah Did I win? I get a car! Yes you did! And you got a car! Yes! Yeah misogynists vitriol exactly was right away they went to us because she's a woman no it's because what she said what she did it wasn't because she's a woman But what she probably was referring to or how people may have received that is when you say doghead bitch, that would be seen as misogynist. That's what she was talking about but that's what made it a man versus woman thing even though we just heard Monique

1:40:12 come after Oprah for this. And then we heard early in the clips that, what was her name? Lindsey Granger she went after people trying to railroad Kobe's legacy so this is not a man versus woman thing but that's the way they wanted it too. That's how they're spinning it yeah sure. That was the spin and ET was complicit in this because... Gee! What a surprise Right, so we have everybody on message. On point! Yep, we're rolling So everybody's on message One of the people that is on message is none other than one of the Boulay members Mr Roland Martin We talked about him before on this show He's a drip

1:41:01 What's his background again? Because I see him all the time. What is the deal with Roland Martin, what does he do? He came up through CNN, he was a car carrier member of the Boule. He even got that phony ass cravat you know it doesn't wear tie i've gotta wear this silk thing in my shirt Yeah, the uh... what's it called? Uh, Ascot. Yes! I call Kravats but yes an Ascot exactly exactly yeah he and you know that guy is hilarious so oh he was also on the Tom Joyner show for years yes he was okay i gotcha I said he was a car carrying member you're right

1:41:44 He's confused about this whole situation and you can hear it in controversy one. Please explain to me Lauren how in the hell Gail King vs Snoop is a 21st century of the East Coast West Coast rap battle. It's like Tupac and Biggie I mean this is people are, which side you on? I'm like yo shut the f*** up! I'm telling y'all they gonna make me cuss at this event it's just stupid He's confused, like what's going on? I don't know what's going on here. What's going...I'm confused! You mean he's feigning the surprises? Hmmmm.... He always seems so sure of himself when he is on CNN or MSNBC

1:42:38 Exactly, but now when you put between a rock and the hard place of... He even said himself people want me to choose a side. Are you going with the man of the people or are you gonna go with your fellow boulé? Mmmmm tough! And do you hear how flustered he is in this next clip this woman is gonna explain it to him quite clearly what's going on I'll try to explain it to you Roland. I think part of the issue here There's a longer history here that I think Snoop and 50 Cent, and a lot of these guys have been paying attention to longer than maybe any of us. Which is that if you look at the reporting specifically on CBS and specifically by Gayle King and Oprah, um...you see that they covered Bill Cosby and R Kelly and Michael Jackson and then Russell Simmons and then Justin Fairfax and then Kobe Bryant

1:43:29 They covered them in a certain way that I don't think we saw coverage of with regard to frankly, with regard to white males accused of sexual assault. And were kind of this moment where allegations are conviction with sexual assault so if somebody says something the person's life is just blown up whether you know the details of story or not And I think that the CBS morning show can't be confused with 60 Minutes. They don't really, or are not investigating on the same level as a Frontline or a 60 Minute Show So when they put people on and the thing blows up and that person's reputation is blown up That person is of course paying a huge price And I think the fact that Gail of course has best friends with Oprah Winfrey who unfortunately before she turned 15 She was raped when she was 9 years old and then 14 which is incredibly tragic

1:44:13 I think the fact that she has that connection with Oprah and when these things happen they tend to get involved in it like Hey, who is the woman speaking again? I Like her. Uh, no, I like her. I want to add it to my playlist Who was she now we'll figure it out will figure out what's yeah, what would figure it out She's talking some sense But she has it all figured out, but Rowland is... I don't know what's going on! Now, Rowland was supposed to be a man of the people. He didn't spot this trend of Oprah and another one was the Lieutenant Governor of Virginia, the guy that got accused in 2006. Another pass Yeah, you know so

1:45:04 he didn't get it, but she laid it out quite clearly and she's going to continue on clip three. I remember when the Michael Jackson documentary came up was surviving or leaving Neverland they did like a week on that they had the Jackson family and then they had the guy that did the documentary had like step after step, detail after detail. They did the same thing with R Kelly they had R Kelly's accusers and then they have another accuser it was like the level of attention and reporting that went into that is not the same that we saw on a lot of these stories involving white males who have been accused. I think when people make that... Harvey Weinstein. Right, when people make that point and making a really good point and when you have these positions in journalism that are so important it's so rare for African-Americans that Gayle King has

1:45:53 She has to be thinking about how the community is represented. I know that's an extra burden on black journalists that perhaps shouldn't be there, but she's got to be thinking about how she uses her stage and frankly i think the most underrepresented group on tv to me is black men we have a lot of black women out there talking a lot more than we did. I am perfectly fine with all of that Now he has all the answers when she started saying that black men are underrepresented in the media and That mindset that Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent and those guys came with Right

1:46:40 So now you got all the answers. No, he was like shut up! You know what I'm saying? Like... I got it, I got it, I got it Yeah, you said too much But let's let them wrap up with our clip four It's gone crazy because I think the perspective that Snoop has, even though I didn't agree with what he called Gale. But the perspective that 50 Cent and Snoop have is not represented on TV. I'm not expecting a major news outlet to go to a bar and pick a guy up. But we see the PhDs, and we see the club bourgeois in there all of time, they over-educated top 10%. We don't see the average black male on TV represented very much their views so I think that's what were seeing. But here is also but let me caution all these brothers out here who want to get high and mighty

1:47:32 their treatment of black women may also become under the microscope. Well it has to be going under the microscope with Gail and Oprah around, it's been under the microscope the whole time! No, no what and when I'm saying is that if this thing's gonna escalate into a black man versus black women you try to take somebody down. I'm simply saying I think some people have got to the point that they're so irrational in their response That it has gotten way overheated at the end of the day. I'm like y'all seriously? Oh the minute she mentioned like could the B word She didn't use boulé, but it was clear what she was talking about. That's when Roland Martin is like okay you got to shut this down now listen I can't talk about no more! You saw me at the meeting? What did you see? And go back to last show... ...you asked me about the State of the Union and Trump and how I took it mm-hmm and I used his term real black people right

1:48:35 And you were like, huh? Like real black people. And I was like no not the super intellect or... You know i kind of laid it out like if we can't can we just hear her say that again? I think it's like the first 30 seconds because you brought it up. I want us to really hear what she said. Was this clip the one we just played Yes, please. Okay hold on a second of course we can do that It's gone crazy because I think the perspective that Snoop has even though i didn't agree with what he called Gale but the perspective that 50 Cent and Snoop have is not represented on TV

1:49:10 I mean, i'm not expecting a major news outlet to go to a bar and pick a guy up. But we see the PhDs and club bourgeois all the time, over educated, top 10%. Who keeps saying great point? Great point! It's another guy black. Is he from the Fugees? Is that the Fugees guy? Right on. Yeah, go. What the hell! Okay so yeah her point is well made I understand it's like she saying like a not not the typical representation but I don't know like Moe maybe

1:49:49 Yeah, exactly. We see it when we're not you know we're not uh to go to Ivy League schools or whatnot but we see what's going on I mean take a PhD to figure out that Gail and Oprah have something for black men and in the previous clip i think clip three she mentioned that both of them were victims of sexual assault and you asked the question where what I kind glossed over by saying it's male hate, but I mean maybe their hate comes from a justified place of you know this Demographic hurt me. So now I have to go out you know and be proactive in that's possible That's possible for sure then and that's unresolved issues but understandable to a degree But it should not matter if

1:50:46 I mean, it shouldn't matter what if it's black or white and yet they let the white guy slide. I see the problem of course...I never recognized this pattern with Oprah. I just saw the individual pieces as I said the Michael Jackson part bothered me a lot Because she was such a proponent and then based on this flimsy documentary, she's switched it up. And as the woman said here, you know, a week long of interviews and everything the same with R Kelly but nothing for the... It's inconsistent! And clearly racially-based in that case somehow. And who is going to call her out? Cause like we heard in the TMZ Monique clip, it was like You can't call out Oprah! Yet Snoop is probably uniquely qualified to do that

1:51:35 Yeah, but even Snoop was um... yeah well we'll get there. So another person one of the super smart elites that were put out to like kind of put the fire out was One of your favorites Mr Michael Eric Dyson Oh no not this guy You can have legitimate critiques of Oprah Winfrey and Gayle King you can legitimately ask them what about their viewpoints about Harvey Weinstein and Al Franken, and Charlie Rose versus Kobe Bryant. Right? That's a legitimate critique! What is not legitimate is to in a vicious sense assault them this cancel culture has to be ended has to itself be canceled Well that's interesting so he says here's what you could do but let's not do it Yeah and then the council culture they've made their

1:52:35 you know, whole second part of their career about cancel culture calling this person out going at the advertising. Exactly what they're doing. Yeah it's exactly what's going on here but it's the cancel culture that needs to be canceled and I want to say something else Michael Eric Dyson has made most of his career about writing about rappers. I think he has a book on Jay-Z one on Tupac and a few others Now you're bothered by misogyny now, you're bothered by foul language. I don't understand Yeah So it's just that like I said the the bullet have been exposed They don't have the power they used to they don't have the power to Manipulate through the media because there's other outlets like this show here and other

1:53:32 Podcasts, YouTube, YouTubers, vloggers whatever. I mean fill in the blank that pointing out the counter narrative it's like no that's not how it went this is This is how it goes Well believe or not people are getting their information and their cultural fix from places other than The arena these people play in Yes, especially with cord cutters. I mean that's one of the big things because you don't have to broadcast network No, no none of our girls have cable none of them they come over here to watch the Academy Awards There's no cable this they don't care it's not interesting says me your tailoring your information Due to what you're interested in and your timeline yeah so CBS is not gonna if you notice

1:54:22 Even over said that the interview was out there. You know it was only when it became a clip Yes, and the clips started floating around that people really got upset nobody watches their eggs That's my point you're right because the television if you have no one who gives a crap Oh wait a minute is like this something on YouTube. There's a clip does it clip? That's what people saw it. That's a very good example in fact. That's probably the one of the biggest learning moments from this mm-hmm so Even Mr. Snoop Dogg, I mean we heard Lamont King say who could they call? Well obviously they got on the phone and they got a heavy hitter to chime in on snoop The problem with that is is that when you want to play gangster The problem is is when an actual gangsta comes in the room

1:55:11 You can roar as loud as you want. Roar, roar! Scare your friends The problem is when an actual lion comes in the room It's like yo one of these things is not like the other His- Your claws don't look like his claws and that's exactly what happened because apparently I had no idea Gale King um rolls deep Apparently Gale King rolls DEEP Because Susan Rice, yes. Yes. Susan Rice you heard me correct? Yes that's Susan Rice former National Security Advisor yeah to the Obama administration. Yeah Susan Rice hits up

1:55:52 Snoop Dogg and tweets at him talking about yo, that was mad disrespectful. You need to back the F off Because Gail apparently has an army behind her And if you wanna you want to play this game? You're gonna lose and it won't be pretty Wow So did you see here are actual tweet no Okay, so Susan Rice her actual tweet I'm gonna read it on word for word she says this is despicable Gail King is one the most principled fair and tough journalists alive Snoop back to F off and she spelled out. Uh me what she put four asterisks there they say you come for gale king you come against an army and

1:56:42 You will lose and it won't be pretty. That's the boule saying, showing their teeth. You come against an army? I mean like that sounds more of a threat than what Snoop said to Gale. An actual army yeah Yeah you will lose and it won't be pretty. And thats what Lamont King was saying who can we get on the phone It gotta be somebody senior. Well that was one certainly thats a good one And the other thing is, who's she speaking for? I mean we know her connections. But... The bullet has reared its head and that goes to show you that when you have to show that kind of power, you really don't have power Not if you have to do it that way no i agree Unless your Trump but then you'd do in a funny way Snoop got the message because he came out like, I'm non-violent

1:57:48 He did everything but apologize without apologizing. He was like, I'm non-violent. Wait a minute wait a minute he be backpedaled? Yeah and here's the clip. Tops hold up though this big snoop dog heres a message for the people that need to know im a non violent person when i said what i said i spoke for the people who felt like gail was very disrespectful towards Kobe Bryant and his family now with that being What I look like want some harm to come to a 70 year old woman. I was raised way better than that, I didn't want no harm to come her and didn't threaten her all i did was said check it out you are the pocket for what you're doing and we watching you have a little bit more respect for Vanessa Her babies and Kobe Bryant's legacy yeah but anyway imma do what I gotta keep doing y'all keep doing with y'all doing We're very non-violent we just want to say that first and foremost we speak from the heart

1:58:50 Some of you who have no heart don't understand that but anyway carry on and enjoy your day. That's it Oh, man All right. Well, yeah He accentuated that is nonviolent got it And the funny thing is I never took when i heard his clip, I never took it as being very disrespectful. Maybe justified but very disrespectful but I never took it as violent or threatening. Well you're right and and I think it's probably good that he said that because you know Oprah is the one who immediately went well it's not though you know it's other people they hear that and they go crazy in a death march so he did the I think the right thing to defuse whatever he could

1:59:37 It's fucking Twitter, it's Instagram. It's such a breeding ground. But the bigger story is it's the good and the bad because without the bullet will still have full control over the data. Oh yeah, absolutely! So you have to take the good with the bad it's like... In fact I think Snoop has an upper hand on this because it's his platform people you know Instagram is his platform and they don't play on that field they just don't play They haven't mastered it yet

2:00:19 I think they really let the ball get away from them with the internet and social media because it'll take them forever to be able to get plants. Have you heard that term before? Plants, right? Sure. Infiltrators. Yeah, it's often used in the music industry now where people are really on the record label but they make them seem like indie artists and then they groom them and bring them out. And you're like oh yeah that's a... She did it all her own! That's what the music business does. By the way I think Billie Eilish is a very good example of that

2:01:04 Exactly. So that brother of hers, that's the so someone's a genius I think it's him but is not her right? So I don't think the bullet has got their legs up on her new create plants there will have the Because you can't fool the people. You can't fool people this is a different medium you can fool people on television I built my career in fooling people it's all dishonest and the television is inherently dishonest and Instagram is a whole new ballgame It's not something you could just transition say oh because they got a great camera, it's different No no, it's a whole different way of communicating so that we can't they don't understand

2:01:50 Not yet. And let's just pray that we take them out before I'm a nonviolent person, I'm a nonviolent person when i say take them out I don't know Moe, i'm starting to question who's the plant here. If I say take them out then they'll be like oh you know Moe is trying to incite violence against the plant! No we can't have that no he can't have that yeah no but what I mean take them out is take him out of power because what they're trying to do and This is the final clip. Mr Gary Owens, he's a comedian white comedian but he plays a majority of black crowds or mixed crowds that's how you came up in the game He was the quote unquote white comedian in the black clubs But he made a point it was not funny but he highlighted a point and I was like wow! The way he said

2:02:49 was spot on. Because black people was like, look you ain't talking about Kobe. You ain't talking about our hero. Kobe's a worldwide hero Italian China white black Latino that's a hero but it's extra because he's a black guy so black feels like you ain't you ain't talking about our black hero I just want people to realize how powerful and this is coming from white dude how powerful Black People are when they come together

2:03:47 Yes, particularly in political circumstances. Mm-hmm So you got a guy to talk about he's a great dad and you got women talk One of the good things came out in the girl dad I know we kind of pooh pooh that but A lot of women of all color were started saying, oh how important dads were. Yes and they're like no we can't have that you know we can't have this guy as a being the lightning rod for dad appreciation and I honestly believe the whole Gail thing was a counter move

2:04:26 Moved to the girl dad thing because they tried to co-opt it but it had a whole nother effect even with another fact Oh because it was resurging you mean so because it became so I see what you're saying that even though this is a long gone thing It was super popular at the time. And so this would be a rekindling and well, we can't have that week about black man a good father but to women and then black women coming out saying about how their dads were good to them no this is not possible we can't have that black men black man bad this is what it is holy crap I'm a little out of breath from this one

2:05:18 I don't know if it's a good or bad thing, but... No. It is a good thing and well first of all it's a great thing because I know that my wife is going to listen to this front-to-back cause she's like oh I'll know she'll love this and the big eye opener for me as always because obviously not on my radar, is this targeting. This specific targeting by Oprah and Gayle for years of black men for horrible crimes and the... And that's one thing or accusations letting white men off! And they're all powerful you know Kobe Bryant it's in the NBA there's power in there but look at who their letting off and what

2:06:04 magnitude or amplification of the types of things they're accusing others of. Wow, well that's fucked up! Everyone wants to love Oprah Moe thanks it's over now I don't write the news I just report it so what we didn't really discuss is that we were going to do a potluck special for this 25th episode, but of course this came up and I'm very glad that we did a pivot here to do this because i think again This is something that Is fantastic for people to hear and learn about And I know they'll take it seriously when Mo does this We roll out like that you know It's not just going To be a dumb show business story so its appreciated

2:06:50 Which means we will be thanking people probably in the next episode as I guess we'll have the potluck unless something else crops up. I mean, whatever. I don't write the news! I just report it and this was supposed to have been a potluck segment But the story kept growing all week. It grew, it grew now I understand And it was like...I can't serve these colds You can't just do it in 10 minutes now I understand Yeah so um, they grew into a whole show and I thought people would appreciate it and Yes! I do what I always do Pay attention to everything

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2:08:17 And a tender woman sat to sleep. She wrapped him up all cozy in her curvature of silk And then laid him by the fireside With some honey and some milk Take me in, oh tender woman Take me in for heaven's sake Take me in, tender woman Ssssad the Snake Take me in, tender woman Take me in for heaven's sake Take me in, tender woman Ssssad the Snake Ssssad the Snake Take me in, tender woman

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