23: Blacktivate

00:08 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for January 28th, 2020. This is episode number 23! Hey hey hey Mo how you doing? I'm doing good Adam how about yourself? Yeah doing real good thank you actually had to think of you today and the show as i watched Dolomite Is My Name the Eddie Murphy movie have you seen that no how is it yeah I've really enjoyed well Don't want to like praise it too much because I thought Tina didn't want to watch it and then she came home like oh yeah And I watched Dolomites like I wanted to see that you know. It's like that in our family is cheating That's adultery right there You know, that's okay. You can't look ahead. You can't you can't well? I don't look she's the one that likes to look ahead but I messed up on this movie But I liked it. I think she's watching it right now He was really good and there's a true story had no idea. I didn't know anything about dolomite um

01:07 It's on my watch list, but with the kids around you know I hear that. You gotta find time. Yeah now i packed mine off a couple years ago goodbye okay now it's time for daddy to watch movies so how is everything going yeah everything is good um i'm ready for uh another mo facts uh got a lot of good feedback on episode 22 But mainly about Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah, and yeah I saw a lot of you know I Wanted to mention this to you Twitter is racist And i'll tell you why

01:47 When we put out a show, I tweet out of the show and then people are liking the tweet. Then they have a comment, I'll reply maybe follow a person and then within 24 hours you know i've got it at different twitter feed. There's a lot of black Twitter coming into my feed And if I don't continuously do that, Twitter just kind of phases it out. And all the sudden like... Where's the blackness in my feed? I don't see anything! It's like false alarm, false alarm. Not false alarm! Tell the neighbors it's okay honey! No but it's... My fat finger to light here so let's get him back in. No but it's really weird then they you know I don't know I'm not interacting enough or I don't know the algo somehow thinks that I'm not interested just because you're not following new stuff for something? I don't know it was weird and I don't like it I think it's annoying

02:46 Yeah, that's why I don't do social media too much. I just use it pretty much for the show and to DM The people from this show yeah like well I use it as an inbox mainly but from time to time I want to follow a topic And I know just notice anyway Let's see What topic Moe has brought for us on episode number 23 of mo facts with Adam Curry as the wheel comes to a standstill we see Okay, what is this whole like people of color label? Is it just that we're not white? Ah yes the third rail of race relations. Here we go People of color which I cannot... Just to let people know i cannot stand that term

03:33 I hate it. Huh? And I hate very few things, but I hate it because when I hear people of color my brain does this weird thing and says colored people Now do you believe you are unique in this or do you think this is something that more people would be irritated by If I have my wishes everybody would be irritated and do the same change you know cuz all you did was take off the ED throw on a OOF and switch the words around, like oh yeah people of color that's fine but colored people is offensive. Social justice warrior hearts are breaking around the nation this should be headline news so with this show we're gonna look into people of color... Wait wait can I just say that I specifically did not ask why does it bother you? I presume The Next Show will help unwrap this

04:31 Actually, the next clip will. I think wherever you are in the world it just takes you immediately back to a difficult time and rightly or wrongly, and perhaps this is a little mean of me whenever i hear a white person use the word colored to describe black people. I'm going to assume you don't have many black friends. Colored just has some of the most horrifying connotations that carries with it echoes of a very difficult time and it also carries with it my least favorite

05:12 argument in the world which is when people say it's just a word. Words are all we have and if somebody is telling you that this is not the word that they want used about themselves then that something that people need to learn to respect, The reality is a lot of people still to this day are confused by what word is acceptable? What word is politically correct to use which is a horrifying phrase I think polite thing to do is to use the word that people themselves are comfortable being used and that is definitely not colored. So when I hear people of color, I literally see this sign on the door. Colored zone granny black and white video or video say colored only you're not going to play this mind game with me because This is what I think and we're gonna examine one where the term came from

06:07 two how it is used and three the group of people they tried to box in this term People of Color or POC so like I said when I hear this, I find it very offensive And as we always do I had went on a hunt to figure out where it came from. All right back back to ground zero yeah, so we had that we had to go back and figure out where it came from and It's not a race unpacking people of color. Some of these terms are placed on us and some of them, like people of color and women of color come from within groups. Loretta Ross is a feminist and educator. She told me how the term women of color came from the US Women's Movement of the 1970s. And how people of color came afterward to include men

07:08 It was created as a statement of solidarity that people who are oppressed because of their race or ethnic background would work together. This is not a biological designation so much as a political designation. Okay, couple things in there first of all when you say people of color That's also grouping a much wider group into one is that how you take it? Yeah, because who's included? Anything not white. First of all we are not colors or we examined that before and other show I use the term black just for the sake argument and it's why say quote-unquote black community quote I'll say quote unquote black a lot And I mean, I don't harp on it too much but we are not colors. I'm not black you're not white

08:06 Hispanics not brown and then they use this term Brown like very loosely Who's brown is the Asian people of brown? Are they still yellow is the I mean see what's that it's just weird thing where It's more like no, it's more like losing an identity because you're being lumped together with with a bunch of others instead of Gaining one which is also of course questionable. Oh for a political purpose. Exactly, that's not what that was the logical yeah political exactly it's all political so we formed this nice little box to put non-white people in and when we go back and think about white and black and how that was established that was to post uh slavery there was only really like two races white and black

08:55 the way they shaped it. And people that appear to be white could pass, as we talked about last show with J Edgar Hoover. He passed! Tons of other people by the way, I took another look at some pictures of J. Edgar Hoover Oh man you can totally see it totally see it that's what you see No no no It's exactly it's like one of those 3d pictures where you don't see and all sudden there's a Statue of Liberty You know that that's what happens when do we do an image search on J. Edgar Hoover is like okay? He's black

09:33 That goes to show you about race in America, which is such a big topic that we probably had to do like a 10 part series just to talk about what actual races are and who's what or who's not. But they've done with politics is basically colored people means non-white. That's the only thing it means. So they lump you into this nice little box, but we're gonna examine that often when people become American quote unquote American they come out of that box but that's just a little foreshadowing You probably wondering who Loretta J Ross is She's an African-American academic feminist and activist who advocate advocates for reproductive justice

10:23 So, and she spoke at the 1970s set. Well I'll let her tell you um... And Loretta Ross... Say that ten times. Loretta Ross! There you go. The origin of the phrase. Loretta Ross is the origin of the phrase of women of color. Y'all know where the term women of color came from? Who can say that? See, we're bad at transmitting history. In 1977 a group of black women from Washington DC went to the National Women's Conference that Jimmy Carter had given $5 million to have as part of the World Decade for Women that was a conference in Houston Texas. This group of black women carried to their conference something called Black Women's Agenda because the organizers of the conference Bella Adler, Ellie Smule and what have you

11:14 three-page minority women's plank in a 200 page document that these black women thought was somewhat inadequate. And so they actually formed what we call Black Women's Agenda to come there in Houston with the Black Women's Plan of Action, that they wanted the delegates to vote to substitute for the minority plank that was in the proposed plan of action. Well, a funny thing happened in Houston when they took the black women's agenda to Houston then all the rest of the minority women of color wanted to be included into black women's agenda. Hi Jack! Hi Jack! You know if one thing is consistent throughout these 20-22 episodes we've done so far and this being the 23rd...is that

12:03 is the hijacking by a whole bunch of other people. Like, hey look at those black people! Let's jump on that train! Wooo! That's so consistent But when we say that everybody thinks we're paranoid or aww you just saying that or you just think everybody's taking everything from you literally when I say we open the door Yeah yeah you actually do everybody else is kind of like, oh thank you for opening that door. Why don't you hold it for us while we reap all the benefits? So what's the conversation you have with people about this do you say hey we should stop holding the door open or is there some magical barrier that makes that impossible I mean

12:48 Well, it's the idea of well several ideas but one of them is like black nationalism where we build for ourself. We depend upon each other and spend our dollars with each other that way you're not when you make these coalitions people don't gut your ideas and then leave you out in the cold Which normally happens, but I'll let Loretta Ross continue. Okay well they agreed except that you could no longer call it the black women's agenda

13:26 And it was in those negotiations in Houston the term women of color was created. OK? And they didn't see it as a biological designation, you're born Asian, you're born black, African-American whatever. It is a solidarity definition and commitment to work and collaboration with other oppressed women of color who have been minoritized Now, what's happened in the 30 years since then is that people see it as biology now. And people are saying I don't want to be defined as a woman of color. I am black. I am Asian-American. Well that's fine but why are you reducing a political designation to a biological destiny? That's what white supremacy wants you to do

14:17 Yep, and it's probably a good idea to point out here that there are many things that are being propagandized upon women of all colors doesn't matter Because you need them all To make these things happen and these things should be a warning You know before you think if you think you're doing exactly the right thing And then you wake up. It's like now this didn't really work out that great Because when you have political groups and political motives, once it serves its purpose in politics- They get tossed out. It's left so that's why you have to focus on... And this is one thing the Republicans or conservatives are different from the Democrats and just getting a little politics how I see it. Republicans are a collective based on their ideas

15:08 So it's like, okay we're pro-Christian or evangelical or low taxes. General conservatism I guess? They bond with each other based off of ideas Where with Democrats it's like oh, yeah you're kind of brownish. Well I don't think a single Democrat would agree with you but if you really step back and look at it objectively that is how most of their communication goes on and maybe that's part of some other brain fry you see when people start to figure it out go what? It like just as a quick example

15:50 Silicon Valley, everything is being pushed for a cashless society and then all of sudden someone stands up and says hey you can't do that because the homeless people. And there's like a brain fry that takes place, like oh wait a minute we have but we want progress but we can't have progress. What do you do? You know instead of actually thinking about solving the problem which is homelessness... But that kind of brain fry takes place at a certain point and I want to be clear with everybody. I am apolitical. I call myself a political atheist Because I don't believe in politicians. But just an example, what we saw in my home state of Virginia was last week? Last Monday they were surprised about how many black people showed up with guns

16:40 Because it was the idea of we believe in protecting ourselves and to do that you need to have arms So that's what that's what the point I'm making by. You have a collective or people around an idea instead of my genitalia, or my pigmentation on my skin or right? In fact age or those kind things. I believe part of the media failure Because of course, you know it was peaceful but I wasn't there so i don't really know everything. But the media failure which am an expert in to me was there were too many black people brown people non-white people for the television picture for them to really portray anything that would go along with a narrative of white nationalists white supremacist Ku Klux Klan blah blah

17:33 So I think it truly was diverse. Otherwise, they would have shown it. I know how they think I know how it works But I was there once It's a diverse crowd of people that wants to protect themselves especially if... and I don't want to go around just make this one last point If you have been telling me this is the worst time, you know in history for racism. As a black man quote-unquote black man why would I want to give up my guns at this very moment in time and history? That doesn't make sense! Get with the program Moe hello turn it in send your DNA come on

18:17 If I believe what they say, if I was to believe what they say that's counter-intuitive to what... Yes. What I should be doing but we're gonna get back on track here with the final clip from Loretta Ross And I think it's a setback when we disintegrate as people of color you know around primitive ethnic claiming. Yes, we are Asian-American, Native American whatever but the point is when you choose to work with other people who were minoritized by oppression you have lifted yourself out of that basic identity into another political being

18:56 another political space. And unfortunately so many times people of color hear the term people of color from other white people that they think white people created it instead of understanding that we self-named ourselves this, this is a term that has a lot of power for us but we've done a poor ass job of communicating that history so that people understand that power." Yeah thanks Loretta! Don't blame Whitey We were just following instructions. Well they didn't create it but political systems hijacked it and changed into whatever you wanted, and I really don't honestly-I don't know who's included who's excluded because you talk to some people

19:42 It's some people are included and some people were not included And how we made the jump from women of color to people of color because men they want to include me and something you had to go to POC or as I say colored people and I'm gonna drop that home. That's what I hear Eric's me. I won't just keep saying that The whole show But when it took the first time I saw the initials POC, I was like what? And and part of that is you know. I'm used to PIC which is piloting command and so kind of confused me for a moment like oh people of color Yeah, and just intuitively like yeah, I'm not using that also too. It's too many words Stupid I've never I've never used that term

20:35 describe myself or to describe other people. Let me tell you I hear it used a lot, well we're gonna figure out the source of where is being propagated and we're gonna go to Macalester College so for me a lot has been like okay what is this whole like people of color label Is it just that we're not white? That seems like a loose way to compare. Tell me about that label, some students embrace it and some don't. Yeah! And I'm like... So you know when I was reading this book or skimming this book to be honest It was the heart of whiteness so the thought there is why are you calling people color people of color because they're not whites then should use the term non-white but is that prioritizing whiteness as the norm assuming all white people are the same

21:27 I mean, I hate it but it's like the most applicable term? I don't know at the moment. It is just the term that everyone recognizes right now and so its like okay how do you create unity among people but then also you can assume that someone is not white. Yeah well that was interesting! I kind of hate it... Oh! Listen, listen up. I'll use it! Yeah well hey Moe thank you for bringing this one up. I've always thought it was a weird term intuitively. I'd never really thought about it that much. I just don't use that. I say Americans if it's pertinent to the conversation what color someone is then maybe but not people of color but that's just not me because I just fight against everything that's trendy including my hairstyle and my clothing can't you tell?

22:15 I'm sure you're doing just fine, Adam. But... I'm wearing Untuckit. Oh, Untuck- I like those shirts! I gotta admit that I like them too. Which we're not doing an ad. No, we are not doing a ad folks. Just so that you know. Because we don't have any ads is why we can talk about products honestly Right. It's black people of color Onward, onward So We have to look at who's in included or inclusive and who's non-inclusive. Right? Is it, and the two major groups are black and brown right you know that's the core And then Asians might be in it depending on what part of Asia from your economic status or educational status I believe that Asians get a really raw deal from time to time

23:14 You know, they're getting cut out of college admissions now and all kinds of stuff. So when they accelerate... When they excel and the doing really great and there's a lot of them qualifying for entry into I think it was Yale? I want to say. I'm not sure. Yeah also that now we got too many of them We've got to slow him down then all of a sudden They're not people of color Then their Asians And thats another thing Asians like how about from India There's brown people. They're brown, they're brown but are they counted in the brown and black? I don't know and i'm trying to figure out but imma tell you...I've been doing my studies here came across a term and I really couldn't find a clip for it but you gave me an excellent segue into going there It's called the model minority myth

24:06 Model minority myth. No, no I haven't Okay so the this is why Asians get kicked out of the POC or the colored people group because they're educated and self-sufficient and it messes up the narrative So it's like you got to go. You gotta go over there with that uh self-reliance, you know Figured out on your own group is that the idea Wow yeah wow Model minority hmm okay putting that in the show notes and not hurt about yes That's why they're sometimes excluded but of the group one of the groups they want to merge my

24:57 lineage with is the Latinos or Latinx, however you want to... what phrase you want to use because that's even confusing. I don't know what everything has been super segmented now too You don't know what your supposed to say but i found this clip from New York Times talking about the Latino race I think the Latino identity is pretty confusing to me because oftentimes, I find it in a little checkbox on a form and I'm confused on whether I should put Latino or Hispanic but I'm Mexican. As Latin Americans as Hispanics in the U.S., there's a community that gets built regardless of which specific country you're coming from In our history is a history of

25:51 African people, indigenous people, Europeans, conquistadores. All these different people colliding many times not with their consent so that informs all these loaded issues people have It's like navigating three identities You're... if you're from the States you're American, you are black and your Latina Furthermore wherever country that you identify in coming from And that's, those are- That's a lot to navigate. See Moe? You don't have all... I mean this girl has got problems! She is also a woman and there is another thing to navigate Oh my goodness So within their own group they have this many segments Yeah yeah And you want to jam black people and brown people together when they haven't even worked out

26:46 Amongst themselves. Yeah, they're how they're gonna be categorized right so I'm just giving background here How nonsensical it is this coalition? They're trying to create and the people freely admit that there's like well It's kind of messed up but no all right let's go along with it That's what I'm hearing and that's what I'm pointing out is that is it's a brand. It's like okay Well, I'll just buy this brand because that's what available. What color is the Louis? That's what I want to know!

27:27 So, we'll continue on with this New York time piece. People say you look like a white dude in some context not in all contexts depends where I am depends who I'm with depends a lot whole lot of things depends what language I'm speaking but however I look when I leave my name I can't get a phone call back about an apartment in New York City and this isn't like 10 places I call this is like 30 And I remember telling a kid one time let me tell you the Klugers clan comes here And they see your last name, you're going too bro. You know? And the kids are like what are you talking about and it was like a big thing Because one of my daughters is lighter than the other They had blackness issues and I remember My oldest daughter telling my youngest daughter that she was in her hair She said something and I remember crying Like immediately like oh no No Wow

28:29 My god, no black God. No, that's what I heard it's like yeah You had two daughters ones I'm assuming dark and one's fair-skinned Yeah our light skinned and it's like she was torn up about it. I'm not sure but is its kind of insane you got two sisters that can't even get along with each other and They share the same genetic code. I mean, at least from one side they're maternal. Sounds like nobody needs white people there's enough racism going on as is we don't need our help! Well the question is... Uh oh here we go Who who who was really white? Oh yeah

29:18 And can Latinos benefit from white privilege? So, can Latinos benefit from white privilege. The short answer is yeah! Duh! For example not only do light-skinned Latinos dominate being on TV remember But countries like Brazil and Cuba supported policies that actively whiten their population. And countries like Mexico deliberately ignored their Afro-Mexican population in the national census till 2015. But when it comes to Latinos living in the United States, the answer can get a little complicated. Let's start with what does it mean to be white? I've met Latinos with skin whiter than Jorge Ramos' scalp. That's because when European colonizers came to the Caribbean and Latin America

30:01 they brought their light eyes, pasty skin and some weird ass diseases. Many light-skinned Latinos today exhibit features that are or sometimes pass as white in the US this means some Latinos do experience white privilege White privilege doesn't mean you're automatically a bad person it just means that you might not face certain obstacles because of the way you look Yeah I think this was a clip from MTV if i'm not mistaken This was actually the cat call. Wow, somehow I thought that was an MTV... It's on MTV? I had that clip but it was like redundant. I don't know exactly what you're talking about with the black girl with the... But it's like they had talking points really. You think? Hmmmm imagine that!

30:50 So Latinos can benefit from white privilege. No, no you better believe they can She said it herself. They can pass so it's like a test. Like don't mess this up for me, you know what I'm saying? Change your last name and nobody will ever know because if you heard in the previous clip the guy said he was pretty much a white guy until he had to put his name down on him for an application or apartment. It's like oh yeah Martinez huh okay we ain't calling you back

31:28 But they have the luxury of, I've used this term before, of being closeted. This is another reason why this coalition of colored people won't work because we- No, of course not! We can't be closeted. Well, some of us can't I mean if you're like J Edgar Hoover or people like that you can but for the most part we are what you see Hold on a second is there anyone else that you know of currently who you feel is in the public eye or less That is of a J Edgar Hoover situation Mariah Carey oh my goodness

32:10 Okay, but she doesn't count anymore. I mean hello 1990 give me something from that Recently I got you I'd put you on the spot No a person who walks his line is Drake You're right yes Drake it's God's plan You are so racist you laugh because you think I don't know Drake songs No, it's your timing is my last. Well that's talent I'm sorry you're recognition of my talent for racism all right but he walks that line when he interviews He does! You are so right Don't ya know? But then when you start rapping... What?! The question is Is it really a benefit?

33:07 to Drake. I mean, okay he's pretty successful but is it beneficial? Do we know? We will never know of course you know what i mean? It's beneficial to him because he successfully plays racially ambiguous Okay, I take that from you. You see it's just a poster on your teenage daughter's wall? Yeah yeah yeah. Say a white male saw a poster and you didn't particularly care for black people... ...you wouldn't be triggered by that but he's just blacking up where he can say certain words and do certain things and get a pass

33:51 He's passable. He's totally passable, yeah okay so we have to ask ourselves why are they trying so hard with this people of color thing especially in 2020? It's because black people have seen that we have very few allies and an example that is Tavis Smiley is going to explain how black America lost ground under Obama. This week while we were traveling in Iowa, we spoke with Mr. Smiley about what's changed over the last decade as Martin Luther King Day approaches on Monday We started by talking about what areas if any are better for black America now than they were before Barack Obama took office

34:45 I'm sad to report that in every single leading economic category, black America has lost ground over the last decade. In every major economic category we've lost ground so this book comes out as you said in 2006 so clearly this book was out before Obama shows up to win 2008 or the book was never about Barack Obama then this 10 year update It's not about him now, but it is true that over these last 10 years most of that on his watch black America has lost ground in the major economic indicator categories Is this an old clip of Tavis Smiley? Yes 2016 I was gonna say because you know he got fired He was eliminated from the airwaves with all kinds of sketchy allegations Because there was not he was not on board

35:31 Well, he was white balled way longer before that. When him and Dr. Cornel West started questioning Obama early into his administration. First term yeah, but then after that then we got me too and they nailed him for that to on something very Specious because he stepped out of line But this goes to show you that not only have black people been skeptical skeptical of Other groups were skeptical of people that even look like us so now you're trying to make this hodgepodge Coalition. We're like nah

36:16 And that's why the term ADOS or financial black or native black really popped off is because people of American lineage, Black people are American lineage is looking for identity of their own. Because it's like we don't have any allies how do you go backwards and in every category under the first black president? How does that even happen? If you don't have to answer Tavis does What accounts for the fact that less, that so little progress or indeed the backsliding. What accounts for that going on under the leadership of the first African-American president? How do we explain that? Yeah I think there are a few things and to your question how do we explain it, I don't know. I think historians are going to have a very difficult time trying to juxtapose how in the era of the first black

37:09 president, the bottom fell out for black America. That's gonna be a hard just position to make. I hope to me around to read what their account is for why they think that happened. But my research in this text suggests a few things in no particular order number one there was too much deference to the president by black people we got so caught up in the symbolism that we didn't press hard enough on the substance and so symbolism does matter. I just think substance matters as well and so there was too much difference in some part to the president on the part of black people. Black leaders were sidelined and silenced too often in favor of an invitation to the White House, so more could have been done in terms of pressing that agenda. You look at the gay and lesbian community. Look at the environmental movement. Of course Wall Street gets everything they want but look what other communities gained over the last decade and look how black America wasn't just stagnant but indeed lost ground over the last 10 years in part one because we were too deferential. I have to step in here for a second

38:03 This is because all of America and the world was hypnotized by the media. and it has not stopped. The hypnosis continues on no matter what side of the political spectrum you're on, you're being hypnotized at this moment and you're being mulched through a machine continuously so it's not really like anyone's fault and this is why I'm always against the media pretty much just like You know, whatever you're saying is good. I'm not gonna trust it and whatever you say is bad I'm not gonna trust it and we've seen that go two different ways with two different presidents So that's number one Second of all I'm asking you Mo how was this measured? How do you measure when I mean it's easy to say Black America lost ground under Obama what are the criteria that are measured that That determines that that you're aware of

39:02 Well, average income. That's when the racial gap or what racial wealth gap really started to pick up as a talking point not in a negative way of a talking point but just conversational like hey everybody else is because we came out of just back up a little bit We came out of 2008 and every two thousand eight everybody kind of like bottomed out Right Everybody was at all-time low you know then we started seeing people come out of that Great Recession and black people's financial situation stayed stagnant. Right, so what we're talking about is wage income level I presume unemployment? Yes and then just

39:52 What Obama back he was very friendly to the LGBT community He was no I know and understand that but I just want to look at the measurements because what? and just the way I see it, Trump is running on...and i don't know if its true. I mean I don't believe any of these numbers. I don't believe anything actually! He's running on record unemployment low unemployment for black Americans and he does segregate them out you know? It's like Latinos-he doesn't say minorities people of color etc..He says Black Americans Latino Americans

40:29 Asian Americans, which is also lumping a lot of people in. Wages I believe have increased probably...a little bit? But I do know that certainly in Texas the lower income there's a lot more lower-income jobs I think it's kind of like scud running you know your just below the you're just able to keep your head above water with one gig so Is that recognized or does anyone give a shit? Like, okay Obama didn't do this. Here's the guy saying he did it I presume since there is no pushback that some version of it must be true Well let's revisit what their expectation was Nazi KKK Yeah Oh you mean the Obama expectation or Trump expectation? No both because we have to compare them

41:29 Obama, I'm gonna explain this for the new listeners. The expectation was we'll be patient with you for the first four years and then once you're re-elected that's when you go crazy with your pen and your telephone making things happen and better for black people." Was the pen in the telephone taken as a signal by Black Americans say that's it now Barack is going to do it? Not really, I mean not literally no but it was. I got my pen and telephone so you do have it though. You said you had your pen and your telephone get to working and then you...

42:14 picked the hills that he picked to die on. And what, I'm sorry just stay on this but it's interesting to me... What was it? What does that mean like we want just give me a higher wage or do something that creates more jobs or what was the expectation that he would do with his pen? Well one- But I'm talking about the mind controlled one! What did people really were they told to believe and where'd they buy into Well, even just bringing up the conversation of reparations. You could have started that right? Never mentioned being stronger on illegal immigration which he did deport more people than any other president but

42:55 He spoke out of both sides his mouth. That was one thing, and like I said the last two years when he really chose to transgender bathrooms it's like dude whatever you do and whatever you're into that your business but i'm just saying as a politician which this has a point what i'm explaining is how we got to the point where are at right now When you chose that initiative over, say a reparations which I think reparation is more tolerable than transgender bathrooms. Yeah that was the icing on the cake and it was like wow we really have no allies and people started becoming realize they were duped. And Michelle was supposed to be the backstop? She was one who's been in the White House like hey bro I know you're not

43:53 One of us, but you know. Gotta do it for the kids! I mean cause his kids literally are my half-a** pod. Yeah of course they are yes exactly So um that's how we got to that point Alright so alright so i'm gonna let Tavis finish wrapping up Number two clearly there was indifference uh there is no doubt about the fact this president received The kind of headwind that no president has ever received There was clearly obstructionism so thats a factor as well But the third factor I think I would put as a question, and again historians will debate this for years to come. Did Barack Obama not get enough done on black issues because he was obstructed? Or did he not try hard enough? Did he not do enough? And I think the answer is clearly both we'll see whether historians come down on that but this book again is not about him per se it's about where black America is ten year after that text and again its just not happy report there are pockets of progress but across the board we've regressed

44:52 No, but however in the podcast industry there's progress. Yes We're podcasting at all-time high He gave us plenty to talk about yes for sure fast forward now we're living in Trump's America is 2020 you're specifically your foundational blacks or a DOS or native blacks are what's the word I want to use disengaged as far as voting is concerned so you have these media outlets and pro-democrat entities trying to stimulate the black vote no, activate. No, no, no, no, blacktivate

45:47 Damn him! Overruled, overruled. And that's actually a gif or how you want to pronounce it but yeah Black Devate So for now it will be black debate so we have the vice brown and black summit that happened on MLK day Yes I saw some of this some of it was very funny to me. Four hours, eight candidates? Yeah well I didn't watch it all but i did see a number of clips that was pretty funny mayor Pete didn't did it for me so what I will say I did like the format better than the family feud line them all up kind of thing totally this makes so much more sense and I think advice

46:36 You know, Vice is basically Vice Media and I know Tom Fress. He really commercialized it It's an advertising agency and they create content around it And uh...I think they did a very good job on this! They served a very important community The questions were kind of MTV-ish briefs or boxers to some extent We're gonna cover that Alright alright I shall get in the back seat again What I will say is this, just if I had to suggest something to Vice. Do a bracket

47:13 They should have had some kind of scoring system. Where like, two candidates face off and then they move to the next round and to the next round... Gamify it a bit yeah I agree that's uh.. Right! That could've been for four hours at a time The third hour came when i was on 1.25 speed And I was like God am I gonna make it? But It was definitely biased And an example of that is the intro for Mr. Andrew Yang. Our next guest is self-described entrepreneur, Andrew Yang who represents a community that's often ignored in national politics Asian Americans the fastest growing racial group in the country But how does Andrew Yang want to be seen?

47:59 He's got a pretty big group of supporters, and that includes conservatives. He sat down with Tucker Carlson on Fox News. She posts with supporters wearing MAGA hats. And conservative pundit Ben Shapiro has called him quote my boy. Yang has taken pride in his ability to win over disaffected Trump supporters and some Democrats have even suggested that strategy may be the best road to the White House. Let's give it up for Andrew Yang Wow, man. He was wearing a... with MAGA hat people! Oh my goodness. Talking to Tucker Carlson? Oh no!

48:37 What was he thinking? And then trying to get Republican votes?! Oh, that's crazy. That's not... What kind of strategy is that?? How undemocratic of you! Andrew Yang. What kind of strategy is this to get the other party to vote for YOU!? That's madness!! You know, Andrew Yang I don't like his actual idea of the of the freedom check, whatever your thousand dollars a month because he wants to pay for it with value-added tax. Otherwise he seems like a pretty decent guy you know? He's certainly smart but his actual policies are just dumb! It's like no pass I lived in Europe No thanks. He's smart and he's funny yeah and by the way saying when Asian person is smart of course can be deemed racist You know that right

49:25 Yeah, math is racist too. So we got to be very careful here with training Exactly but yeah from just it's just Personality he's a cool dude I'm not in the yang gang. You know me like I told you I'm not voting But if he was smart enough He could spend that thousand dollars as a tangible interesting idea. Yeah, and say will give certain groups a bump like 2500 you know, the counterbalance. I'm just saying. I like your bump! That's a bump? That's 150%! No no no we gotta- is this negotiable?!

50:15 It have to be something that's specific for, uh... Hey! I'm just saying. If you're listening." Yeah it is a great idea and for reparation and you can actually make the whole class society right there hey we got some brown people we'll give you a little extra too here's a little bump for you not as much as our ADOS. Yeah 25% you know here you go but if you're listening just saying We've seen that Dave, Ari Lambeau-Yang is friendly to the Republicans. But it doesn't stop there. Andrew Yang and WS. So you're unique among the entire field in that you have had a bunch of white supremacists who just have decided somehow

51:04 You're their guy. Now, this is... It's different dealing with this as a candidate than dealing with it as president So how does President Andrew Yang deal with the issue of white supremacy in America? Do they have any backup for that or like here's a picture of you with the KKK They just told you in the intro he took pictures with people with MAGA hats! Were you not listening?! Oh I'm sorry oh yes Of course I'm so stupid Of course those are the white supremacists I gotcha It's the association here. They set it up in the intro, and what I did here...I didn't really clip any answers because that's not what i wanted to do here. No! I'm aware of what you're doing. I like it. I want to focus on the questions not the answers. Right

51:52 So yeah, you took pictures. Tucker, you want to talk to Tucker? He's definitely a Nazi. He will know it so I mean what are we talking about here? I mean like if the clear is the clear line of connection between the white supremacist and Yang but it doesn't stop there. The double down. I just okay because I wanna back up because I wanna point out that I started off with white supremacy and dealing with that, which this is something you've said is a problem in America. But we ended up with talking about handing people money. I mean does handing people money fix racism? Wow! Yes! Isn't that the whole idea of reparations? Who was this phony asking the questions? This young man needs to be schooled. Isn't that the whole point of saying if you close the racial wealth gap

52:56 Then it'll put people on equal fair ground, a fair playing ground. Yes! Money will solve the problem. Money solves 99.9% of the problems. I'm being facetious but that's a dumb question. It's like what? Will the gang at least answer it somewhat intelligently or did he just kind of waffle around Well, I think he was smart enough to see he walked into a trap. Yeah. I mean because it could fight as the guy said just in the clip we just listened to yeah out that gate

53:32 Out of the gate it was, oh yeah so you uh I heard white supremacists like Yang. And people wonder why politicians enjoy going on The Joe Rogan Show and why people enjoy watching politicians on The Joe Rogan Show because all of that bullshit is stripped away all of it and this is vice and they stuff Okay, it's it's changing by the time our kids your kids certainly by that time. They're grown up It'll be better Podcasters will be in control yes So there was a question from the crowd And this is like one of the best questions of the night because it actually was based on some kind of fact and not feeling

54:21 Latino top priorities. Currently, nearly two-thirds of Latino students end up in underserved community colleges and second tier public universities. And only a small percentage attend one of the most elite colleges according to the Georgetown Center on Education and the Workforce. Today our economy is strong for the most affluent in our society

54:56 but Latinos make up nearly 30% of the total population living in poverty. What is your plan to deliver sufficient resources for our struggling community colleges and universities? And secondly, how do we address the racial disparities in our economy for brown and black communities? Thank you. Yeah that's my favorite Brown and black communities. It's kind of like a close-up here That yeah, no that's my favorites like we're the black and brown communities Well there those teepees over there and some tiny homes over there that's black and brown it's clearly labeled Yeah So they had to and this was a that was a great question by the way And it came from one of the people in the crowd so I'm gonna just let you know is like but

55:46 The top priorities wasn't kids in cages. The top priority wasn't immigration, you see what? Everybody else and all other groups are financially minded. It's like schools money. With better education you make more money not kids in cages not the talking points it supposed to be so it was like whoa whoa whoa Top Priorities that is not what I've been told Latino Top Priorities are but... What?! That's not in the polling numbers! Yes, so they asked and I got a little ahead of myself but it actually about black people and then their health and things that nature. And he said that the reason why black people are so stressed is because they don't have finance finances lead to stress which is true. And if you provide them with finances then that will take away some of the stress which is common sense but

56:44 There you have it. But I didn't want to use that clip because i'm trying to stay fair into only using the questions that the candidates are asked and not use this as a, no... just trying to sway people one way or another to a candidate. No, you're showing the top choices here on the show Well, some of the top choices. Interesting choices! The most interesting people because the rest of them were like snooze, face. We're still making an entertainment show here yes well done Moe absolutely you got it my man you got it all right so um they had a thing called speed round and this is where in one minute they ask the candidate as many questions as possible to see what they can answer

57:32 So we're gonna listen to Andrew Yang's speed round. All right, if you could be invisible what would be the first thing you do? Eavesdrop on the other candidates What a spook! Fill in the blank allow me to reintroduce myself my name is Humpty Pronounced with an umpty What was your worst job? Busboy at a Chinese restaurant. I didn't qualify to be a waiter because my Chinese was too lousy, sorry. Jordan or LeBron? Jordan but LeBron could pass him. When's the last time you smoked weed? Past life! What's the last TV show you binge watched? I watched This Is Us with my wife. What is your biggest fear?

58:27 That we don't eradicate poverty and in the time. We have what's a topic that you're embarrassed if you don't know more about It's a great question Geez soccer and Jay and jay-z lyrics I guess so So how did mr.. Yang dude folks Wow. Did he say I'm gonna be president? Yeah, he's a clown. Well obviously you China man can't know about Jay-Z lyrics or so...I don't know what that was all about that was kind of lame and if you notice there

59:08 Basketball. Yeah, it's like come on We're seeing a trend here Isn't that the moment isn't at the moment we were supposed to say I got hot sauce in my bag is not is that we're Biggest fear But yeah, if you want to pander right? I mean pandering 101. But he didn't pander there. No no he didn't and He said Humpty! I'm like what? Like hump- another thing he knew was like a rap lyric but he could only fill in the one rapper he knew it's like Yeah, I got those with Humpty. He might have been ready for that one. And I have a feeling and well that was very very quick

59:55 Yeah, that was quick. But he got it like didn't deliver on the answer there well so of course So that was Andrew Yang And we're gonna see a trend here with the speed round um we're gonna see I'm just gonna point it out to people The less favorable candidates get tougher questions in the speed round. And the people that they kind of like, get easy questions and just pay attention to that. Just a little... I just want to foreshadow it out a little bit but next up is Liz Warren and she was very boring. I only really got one... I wanna know her pitch!

1:00:41 So, the one question that I did find interesting they asked her was about HBCUs. And another thing that you propose to do with that money is give $50 billion to historically black colleges and universities? Yes! Yeah! I like the fact that you're excited about that. I went to an HBCU—Prayerview A&M University. Thank you very much. And so it sounds great, but it also sounds like too good to be true. You know? And the question is when it gets hot for you and you need to compromise on some things how do we know for sure that won't end up on the cutting room floor? I'll just kind of put a point even further which is like the pander radar goes off a little bit

1:01:27 This is a well-crafted plan that's going to play well in the primaries. But once we get to the nomination, once we get you into office this is the first thing that hits the criminal report. So here's my question... Is a plan a promise? Man, it's like hey welcome Elizabeth Warren you suck okay so let me ask you a question about why do you suck that was pretty interesting And what I found interesting was that the black guy was asking a question about HBCUs, and then the brown guy chimed in like hold on let me clarify this question for you. Just in case you can't follow along... Oh interesting! You took it that way?

1:02:20 That's exactly how I took it. We can go back and listen to it, maybe the last 30 seconds of it that's when he kind of jumps in and takes it from... Let's do that. Hold on a second. Last thirty seconds about here. Kinda put the point even further which is like that will end up on the cutting room floor And I'll just kinda put the point even further which is like The panda radar goes off a little bit Is this a white guy? Brown. Yes, I mean it. I didn't-I don't know the dynamics of those two... I don't know but it could be That was just my bias, like I said that might have been my bias But that was a question about HBCUs you might want to let the black guy ask especially about pandering Yeah again yes, I agree but I really don't know the dynamics You may be a little sensitive there Maybe I am! I'll admit to that

1:03:34 So I'm represented by Elizabeth Warren so you know it's like who gets the raw deal here. Are you? No! Yep, yep. Yep. Yep. All right so Liz Warren we're gonna get to her speed round Oh goody So we're gonna test you to see how many questions you can answer in 60 seconds Okay Are you up for the challenge? I am totally up for this challenge Do y'all think she's up for this challenge? How many different milks can you name? Milk yeah all milk well

1:04:15 cow's milk, almond milk, soy milk, coconut milk, chocolate milk. Oh! Vanilla milk and strawberry milk? She's doing it. I'm sorry the correct answer was powdered milk. That counts as seven okay what's the biggest trouble you ever got into in school oh in school most of my trouble is out of school The biggest trouble I ever got into in school was talking back to a teacher. What is black Twitter? Good!

1:04:57 What's your favorite Indian food? Oh, this. It's like big tapioca. Do you know the stuff I'm talking about and you serve it with dal and it's so good! How did the senator do folks? How does she do it? Senator Elizabeth Warren thank you very much. Good to meet you. Man, so black Twitter is good. No, I thought that was a good time. It was tight, tight, tight. Yeah but when she was asked what's your favorite and just for clarity the guy that was interviewing core interviewing with the black guy West India

1:05:47 But when he asked what your favorite Indian food was, I was sure she was gonna say maize. Yeah! Actually, I was thinking the same thing it's this happened to me the other day or maybe I saw a clip of it It was a family feud and the question is what kind of food do you eat? Does Popeye's eat or something like that and my mind went to chicken The woman answered chicken, but of course it's spinach. It's like you get these weird brain conditions So I thought that was a little trick question at the end. Oh hell yeah But that's my point that's my point she should have said maze or you know what else is native

1:06:34 Yeah, venison Buffalo I don't know. I feel stupid now That's one of the traditional Thanksgiving foods but oh and it was funny is she's contributed to Indian cookbooks. Oh yeah But you stole those recipes too she dropped the ball on that one It's just yeah exactly all right so next up It's Mayor Pete. Yay, everybody! Wall Street Pete the spook And listen to this compound question they asked him and this is really an example of the problem with having these coalitions You released a mental health care plan with a focus on addiction and deaths of despair So I want to ask you about two key groups at risk

1:07:25 A recent study found that from 2001 to 2017, the rate of death by suicide for black boys ages 13-19 increased by 60%. The rate for black girls? 182%! A separate study found that over half of trans male participants had attempted suicide at some point in their lives. Just under 30 percent of trans women What do you think is behind those numbers and what exactly will your plan do for black children and trans people specifically Wow, I mean that's just an exercise in how dumb are you with prior prioritizing things black girls 150% black boys 30 60 percent and then huh? I guess trans can it can neither be boy nor girl But that was 30 percent. And so specifically let's talk about trans. Oh

1:08:18 Where you see what there do you see this bait and switch or this and the guy did it in like black-and-brown? Thought at the end. Yeah now is I'm asking about black child suicide But let me throw that's not interesting enough nobody cares about Black dead children due to suicide we got spices up with trans What yeah, yeah, that's right that well that that is Vice media should be ashamed of themselves for that. Ashamed! And she even said two groups! She's the one who asked about two groups! So you want black? Gosh, well... Okay. I didn't know those numbers and that's scary. That is scary in itself. Well, sadly the numbers are very similar for white kids

1:09:11 White girls, I don't know if it's 150% but it's off the charts. Same for white boys and a lot of the girls, a lot of it is social media Instagram, the boys I would say hopelessness...I dunno A lot of problems. I totally agree with you, if i had to bet on what the root cause was it would definitely be social media yeah a lot of it but i'm just going to show you how in a question you start off with because a black person ears perk up like wow like black children commit suicide at those rates and he's like well let me slide something under that yes something much more important

1:09:53 Yeah, something more. Nobody cares about dead black children but Mayor Pete and I'm gonna say this they don't like Mayor Pete That seems to be the message that is that the media is portraying that no one has a chance to like Pete The media's telling everybody No black people like Pete And you'll hear it. It was so bad, it made me cringe with this next question. — Actually, you brought up maternal mortality, which I want to follow-up on—a member of our audience actually just asked a question about that—what can a president do about the fact that when you actually drill down in the data, a lot of what appears to be happening is purely individual racist incidents? A white doctor looking at a black woman on a table and saying, I'm just not going to work as hard for you today

1:10:47 and coming into the room with some stereotypes. How do you legislate against that? How do you fight that from the office of the president?" Wait, wait, wait! Was this an example of something that happened in real life? No I haven't heard of it She just made this up as an example Just here grab this one How do you answer that question first of all like You can't Well I'm going to turn on... My daughter walks in is like yeah I'm gonna turn on the mind control beam And fix everybody's head Wow These are the type of questions that ask Pete. I mean, I'm no Pete fan but I'm like wow! And the question itself was a white doctor walks in and he's just like, I don't care you might want to find another doctor. Now you know vice is is a part of the machine. This this is not fair by any standard and they have their mind set. That's probably why what we're missing is Joe Biden

1:11:46 And Bernie Sanders, you know That's why they're so boring because there probably had no substantial questions asked them and and nothing You know nothing to hit him with like I don't think we gotta let these two go Joe Biden got the softest of softballs So it wasn't me. I couldn't even clip his speed round It was so bad now fight because it's elder abuse Yeah Joe is just some people are Don't just start losing a little bit at that age. Mm-hmm, and I'm not losing it but he's uh You know He's confusing stuff and so they know go easy on him because you confuse him That's so sad And one of the question that actually just to give you in the speed round was what food do you like? The other people don't like Wow Yeah, like Elizabeth Warren question how many milks can name yeah

1:12:42 How many mil- I mean like that took up 30 seconds of her speed ramp. They didn't want them to get in any trouble, but... Well the correct answer is collard greens and rice and beans. That's the correct answer Mayor Pete should answer if that question comes up Yes, but they asked him another question. I saw this. If Antonia and I invited you to a potluck or barbecue what are you bringing? Oh is it a breakfast potluck? It's gonna be chips and salsa. Flying or teleportation

1:13:21 Flying because you never know it's gonna be the same you that gets you messing up this short answer already You prefer your grit sugar salt or cheese cheese What are some of the blackest cities in America? Like by population. Yeah, just list off a couple. Yeah New Orleans Washington DC That's why Washington DC ought to be a state by the way with a senator, but I know Short answers What song do you know all the words too Star Spangled Banner? Where did MLK go to college? Morehouse. Yes! Popeyes or Chick-fil-A? Popeye's What will be the largest minority voting block this election? People with disabilities Are audiobooks reading? Yeah, yeah they are If you bought my audio book then I support How do you think the mayor did ladies and gentlemen

1:14:19 Wow, I might as well just say are you a racist or not? Popeyes or Chick-fil-A? Racist and not racist! Which that was a trad. No kidding he lost no matter what he chose pandering if you say if you say Popeye's white supremacists Hitler if you say chick-fil-a no no no deeper than that oh gosh You're anti-LGBT if you say shit like that. Of course, of course I'm sorry! I need to remember...I need a flow chart Yeah, so they tried to walk him right and that's why he had to stop like... Which I'm sure bare feet has never been inside of Popeye's. If i had a thousand dollars in my pocket right now, man you're right I'm sure it was never a bit. I was about to say Chick-fil-a and say if he'd have said chick-fil-a campaign over

1:15:19 Yeah, absolutely. Being the gay candidate and saying chick- Oh my god I forgot he's gay too! I even forgot that part He went against his own people! He almost did! He was on the fence for a second there Wow I think it was pretty slow on the calculations. That alone disqualifies him from being president. It took them too long to do that calculation, especially in today's social justice world you gotta do that fast man! You got be on the fly and know who your pandering to at any moment But once again let's go back to the question Grits, fried chicken, basketball Right Oh and i like the potluck or barbecue

1:16:06 Yeah, barbecue. Yeah the correct answer was you invite me to the barbecue That is the correct answer to that question right I'll be glad to bring anything if you invite me to the cookout exactly right answer Pete contact this we We have these answers to your questions That's right we can hook up for the next time don't rely on IBM Watson it's mowing out its mowing at yes so To wrap it up, they had Bernie Sanders. And really all of Bernie Sanders really was focused on immigration. So let's get into the first immigration clip. Let's move on to immigration. Good You have a truly comprehensive large very detailed immigration plan more so I think than any other candidate in this race. I think that needs to be recognized

1:16:56 But you haven't had to talk about it very much in public so far. Oh, I've talked about it a lot! We're about to talk about some more. Good. So let's start with the wall. The idea for Trump's border wall didn't come out of nowhere. It's the logical result of many decades of both Republicans and Democrats spending billions and billions of dollars on border security that includes close to 700 miles of fencing. You've been very clear that you oppose any additional funding for a border wall but would you go further? Will you tear down the wall Yeah, I saw this. I saw this question that seems like a no-win question as well because it's like yeah Open borders. Well now if that's how I interpret that question yeah That's exactly what it is because you know if he were to say well

1:17:46 I mean, I know how he answered that and he was like well if it doesn't cost a billion dollars to tear down it. I could put the money somewhere else That's my Bernie Thank you very much. Thank You Yeah So the only person that they went easy on was Joe Biden so he's the guy He's the man Well, Elizabeth Warren as well. Well that way but they still gave her some some heavy questions Maybe I mean Joe is their guy But I mean if they had to have a second because they couldn't go hard on Liz warm because she's a woman Yeah And do that I mean you don't and she's a woman of color must be honest she is

1:18:40 So, they continue asking Bernie about immigration. I'm actually—I'm happy you bring that up Senator. Sorry to interrupt you but that's precisely what I wanted to ask you about next. You've promised a moratorium on deportations the moment you take office? Yeah. I want to make sure I understand what that means. That means once you are president no one—well, it's while you conduct an audit of the immigration system. That's correct and I'm not going to tell here if somebody has been convicted of a terrible, terrible crime, that may be the exception to the rule. In my understanding, that's not what a moratorium means. Well, a moratorium is there will be no deportations. There may be some or few exceptions now you know when you can quibble about it but a moratorium on deportation for the 99 percent of the people is nothing to be cynical about. Now, you did play some of his answer which you didn't do for the other candidates So that wasn't entirely fair in our bracket system

1:19:40 The reason why I had to do that was the pushback. They already said he's not going to deport anybody except criminals, hardened criminals. Thing is no one actually used those words That was not enough. It's like whoa What are you saying about hard criminals? You gotta keep them around I couldn't clip it any other way to keep that had to keep that in there But understand and then to hear him walk back like well, we could look at keeping murderers in I mean yeah Flexible yes nuts this nuts is crazy because he's like oh

1:20:23 But the thing that is nuts is that I think that these candidates, you know this is... hmmm. I'm getting inside their head but just knowing a little bit about how stuff works You know it's a stop for them okay alright let's go get some blacks all right skrt skrt here we go and then they just don't even think they prepare that well I think they should be wise. They were like well, this is yeah It was a cable gives the cat comes can't answers is that a streaming app? What does that vice is it streaming? To know of course it gets around to get there. I mean I saw it on YouTube of course But you know it's on HBO and all that stuff no but I think let's see if his minor oh

1:21:08 But I just wanted to point out that, and this is the reason why also kept it in there because he's going to set up the final portion of the show. Immigration is always going to be a sticking point between the black and brown. Yes well and then I think a lot of the Brown is the legal Brown also wants to slow down this. This is very true and I will totally agree with you that a decent portion of Hispanics are anti-immigration, but they can't say it. Well i've helped uh a couple people...I've helped a lot of people with immigration because I've done it yeah a couple times and my Mexican friends

1:22:08 whom of which one will become an American citizen next year, she's eligible. They're like hey man because I know I ask all the time so what's going on? What are you hearing around and they say well everybody first of all everyone's got jobs and we won't really say that we like what Trump is doing with immigration but we like what he's doing with immigration that's what i hear in Austin so it's not representative everything of course and a large portion of black people feel the same way because- Hey, so do white people Moe. Illegal immigration... So do white people Moe trust me! So illegal immigration and the benefits of black people run counter to each other because I'm just gonna lay out two examples here And then we'll get into the last set of clips but one

1:23:05 When you bring up this kids in cages and you can't separate parents from their children, where was this empathy and sympathy when you were having the war on drugs? This is just a sentiment. It's like, where was that? Where with no kid with foster care and families are torn apart due to the war on drugs, but now all of a sudden we have a conscience for non-citizens. Right so I just want to answer that for maybe people who are new this is of course it's all political and Kids in Cages even the alliteration of it kids in cages is great television It makes for a great political point much better than

1:23:57 Clearly, showing drug addicts and homeless people isn't working politically. Otherwise someone would be doing something about it! So you know it's kids in cages. Ah kids think of the children in cages what? True but the problem is when you look at how families were separated during the war on drugs and now how its just a ultimate sin to separate families that's one thing and then two when you look like these caravans and oh if it's bad where you're at, you can just move somewhere else. And they're not held to any standard of the law. No one is above the law in America except the illegal immigrant. Right? Then you have black people that are probably one of the most oppressed groups by the law and then you want to merge these two groups together into some kind of political coalition... It just is not going to work

1:24:56 It's not going to work. And you don't have to believe me." So now we got Bernie Speed Round, which I'm sure he can only do one question because he can't answer anything shortly. Let's see him try! Okay 60 seconds, you answer as many questions as possible and you can get a pass but no one has passed so i suggest that you don't or you will be judged harshly Are you ready? I am ready What is your biggest insecurity Saying something dumb. You're laughing, huh? What was your first job and how much did it pay? My first job was carrying soda bottles from a warehouse to the truck

1:25:49 And it paid, this is a long time ago obviously. It paid pretty well and I learned out that it was a team store operation. Holy sinner! That was my first introduction to unions and I've liked them ever since Who was the first candidate you voted for? Oh Lord... Maybe Kennedy but I won't sweaty on that one day man What's the worst job you've ever had I put carpets with all kinds of smelly, disgusting glue. You know which kills people I think but you know it was not a good time. Yes and the last question that's out of the 60 seconds was that torturous for you to try to come up with short answers? Yeah Howdy do folks! Thank you Senator Sanders. Wow

1:26:48 Doesn't even compare doesn't even come and you could actually probably ask Bernie Sanders some Complicated questions. I think he's an intellectual. I think it would come up with some answers But instead if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be? I mean this is crazy So you see the pecking order by the speed round question and that's why I include him so What I want to get into because people might not believe me that Even though black people coexist with Latino people and communities, that's not the issue what I'm talking about because we can coexist our cultures somewhat blend in some ways. But when it comes to politics, politics I'm talking here they don't mesh well as we were hearing this next clip

1:27:46 When one black female tries to equate slavery to illegals. He wasn't raised there. My ancestors, I can trace them or brought over here on slave ships we helped build this country. Don't try to equate slavery to illegal... You think my right but my ancestors didn't say let me jump on the boat let me die from the jury. Neither did mine! But he didn't either. Come on Kelly come on it's not the same argument

1:28:31 cultural ties to the country in which he was born. Don't equate slavery to illegals deliberately breaking their laws to come here." Now where was this? Who, who is arguing here do you know? This was CNN I don't have the two pundits names but did you hear that nasty little trick that pro-immigration woman did to the anti immigration woman what'd she say It's like the first 10 seconds if you just want to hear it. You wanna play the whole clip? Just listen to first ten seconds Yeah, hold on one second One second one second yeah let me make this clear these are clearly two black women I mean, I don't know if you identify as african-american I do but if you dropped me off in Africa Wow language I speak that I wouldn't couldn't speak the language I wouldn't have any cultural ties to the continent Okay

1:29:26 She asked her where she's black. I don't know if you identify as a black woman. Oh, I see what you're saying. Let me listen again. So, I mean, I don't know if you identify as African-American. I do but if you dropped me off in Africa... Wow! ...I couldn't speak the language. I wouldn't speak the language. I wouldn't have any cultural ties to the continent even though it is a continent of my origin. Right but I'm Black American and I don't have any ties to Africa. Jose does not have cultural ties The whole conversation hurts my brain It does but this is what happens When you don't take the Democrat party line, then they start to question your blackness. Clearly the woman's black! And she said I don't know if you're identified as African American or not and the lady was like oh wow are we really going there? Yeah well she did go there

1:30:18 That's just one example and the equation, trying to use the equivalent of slavery to illegals is a losing argument all day. Because how black people see it we had no choice coming here if you think America is this terrible place why are you coming here? I mean that's just the sentiment! It's like...I don't understand it. Haven to white supremacy, but you want to come here. So it just doesn't make any sense But another show favorite dr Claude Anderson I have a couple clips from him speaking on minorities and immigration And the reason that's important is because all these other groups coming in now they classified as fabricated groups and classes They are eating your lunch All the things that should have been going to you they are getting them

1:31:17 There is no, and the point being at this point now down here when you get to benign neglect at the bottom of 1970. There is absolutely no constitutional or legal reason to have Hispanics Arabs Asians Eskimos women gays midgets humpbacked lesions one-eyed crippled deaf dumb people into affirmative action programs You make a joke out of black folk Because what you're doing is giving the pretense that all of a sudden, that all things are equal. That somehow those people were mistreated as badly as black folk were. That's a lie! You add insult to injury To use these very broad terms and put black folk in those broad categories Do not let anybody put you into any broad categories Yep How long ago was this? This was probably 2012 I believe Man where is everybody now

1:32:12 Oh he's still out there actually, he was on Hot 97. Not too long ago. Charlamagne? Seven eight years yeah so uh... He's getting air time now but we've had him on the show as clips pushing black people not to vote as well if you don't get anything tangible As he said, I mean affirmative action is for us. But they want to lump us all in these wide groups like colored people. A common theme! Yeah so let's just let Dr. Anderson continue

1:32:53 And my people have not learned yet to get wisdom as the Bible says, not only get wisdom but get understanding. We don't understand the issues You cannot go into a marketplace or into a political arena in a very broad and ambiguous term and win you gotta go in specifically focused on what you are and your people We are the only people that won't do that. Women will go into the marketplace, they'll talk about women's issues or women's rights. Gays will go into the marketplace and talk about gay rights. Hispanics will talk about Hispanic rights. Indians talking about Indian's rights. Veterans talk about veterans' rights. Senior citizens talk about senior citizens right? You tell going to black folks what you're talking about I'm talking about civil rights who in the world is civil! Talk about your own people! He's on fire there

1:33:39 Who is civil? So that's one example. Another example of just speaking on the lack of, and I'm going to say this again because i know some people may be getting triggered, I'm talking about the political coalition that they're trying to form that's called color people it's not gonna work and these are just examples of why it's not gonna work we have Mr Peter Kershaw now, Mr. Peter Kirshen now he He's a lawyer is also a member of the United States Commission on civil rights He was a part-time appointee and served six consecutive year or six year term No third. He serving his third six years term

1:34:26 a member of the National Labor Relations Board. And he's gonna speak on activists, let's see illegal immigration hurts black men most one. here first now is a member of the united states commission civil rights was also canada for president trump's trade labor and joins us now thanks up for coming on extra so this is that this is a position don't hear very much what makes it kind of intuitives sense unpack if you would work what do you mean when you say the black men america the biggest victims of this sure well just to build their background we've conducted at least three hearings over last six years in civil rights commissioner on this discreet issue

1:35:02 And we had a number of experts testify, reduced to a lot of information with respect to the economic impact of illegal immigration on low skilled workers generally. All of the witnesses and all of the experts that we had who spanned ideological spectrum They may have disagreed in terms of the degree of the impact, but all of them concurred that illegal immigration has a devastating impact on wage levels and employment levels. And it's Econ 101 Tucker when you have an oversupply of labor, the price of labor is going to be depressed." It's very interesting that you uh... Have The White Supremacist, Tucker Carlson as a clip. Yeah!

1:35:46 Yes, he's pushing his agenda but numbers don't lie. That's right and you're probably wondering why this guy is not making bigger news with these facts that he's sharing and he's gonna explain why I Don't even know what the counter argument to what you just said is it seems obvious It's clearly true has anyone told a congressional black caucus Yeah, I have. On at least three occasions and probably more what we did is immediately after reducing some of this evidence and it's profound because we're talking about a

1:36:25 I think it's a 40 point, um... A 40% of the 18-point decline in labor force participation rates among black males is attributable to the oversupply of illegal immigration labor competing with them. So we're talking about at the very low end hundreds of thousands of blacks losing jobs probably if you do the math up to 1.2 million blacks losing jobs this has significant obviously impacts on the black community Got in touch with the Congressional Black Caucus, sent them detailed information on this. Asked them to do something about it to respond to us, to engage in this effort my assistant repeatedly would follow up on this what we heard were crickets Do the same thing with President Barack Obama Cricket again So he didn't really explain why though? Explain why well Why is getting no attention

1:37:21 You're trying to part the herd. Yeah, so they just ignored it. They're just ignoring. It's like no we need the coalition! Right, just ignore it. That's the whole point of what we're doing here is this identifying...it's not about what's good for anybody. Like you pointed out there are tons, well not tons but a sizable portion of legal Hispanics that don't like illegal immigration and they're getting forced down their throat White Americans, same thing. Black Americans, same thing. When will people rise up against this? I mean... You know, I'm amazed

1:38:02 You look at France, you know you don't see it much on the news anymore because we don't want to give anybody any ideas. But the Yellow Vests... I mean just last weekend or the weekend before one of the unions said no we're going to turn off the power here! We're sick and tired of this! We want someone to listen to us they turned off the power 30 000 people without power for a couple hours i mean there's some real insurrection going on I'm disappointed in America in general. All we do is take the Twitter like a bunch of fools Well, the problem is when you're afraid you gonna be labeled or racist or no No, it's our entire system all understand right? So it's like I don't really want to rock the boat Yeah But the problem is with the african-american black ados whatever you want to call it

1:39:01 It feels like they're stealing our birthright and a couple of these are throwback clips, then I'll let Ted use two more clips that he expounds on his point. We had Ted Hayes on our show before and he was speaking on how illegal immigrants are basically stealing the birthrights of African Americans. Absolutely. I don't know where this other person is getting their information from, but I'm on the ground out here in Los Angeles. We call LA occupied Los Angeles because we have lost all of our rights. Essentially black people in L.A. have been demified. Uh...we can't even go into neighborhoods that were once black for fear of getting shot, beaten up, threatened what-have you so no we we it's not just about jobs housing education health care It's about our 14th amendment birthright that they're stealing from us and

1:40:07 And I don't blame the people. I do not blame the people, I blame my government for failing to protect us according to the Constitution of United States. Straight up man! You can watch all those county meeting videos council meetings in Los Angeles... People are mad And you also can watch the news and gang wars between black street gangs and the Mexican street gangs. It's really bad in California where they were actually denied, I didn't want to keep it political but just example like there were firebombing people houses so it means getting real bad out there but I'll let Ted continue on about how they're stealing our birthright

1:40:55 Do you agree with President Trump then that illegal immigration hurts black citizens more than it does other Americans? Oh, there's no question about it. And not just in the physical realm of jobs and housing health care but it is the whole realm of our identity for example you've heard anchorism that is anchored babies women come to country illegally and they have a baby and that child becomes a citizen? That is totally wrong! That belongs to the freed slaves Hold on, hold on, you're talking about anchor babies I mean, I want to touch on that. So you are against the so-called anchor babies? The babies that were born in the United States given our Constitution a constitutional right that those children are American citizens. Do you disagree with that law?

1:41:41 That is not true. They've twisted that, it's a custom! If you please take the time and you go to my website and you can study TedHays.us they have twisted the 14th Amendment to mean them but it's not read The Civil Rights Act of 1866 where it identifies slaves that was who its for yeah we need to we need an amendment to clarify that I think I'm with Ted Hayes on this I am too because what you're doing is, you're bringing in direct competition and then it undercuts the salaries. Everybody wants to talk about why their salaries are so low... I was going to say one of the regulations that i was reading about maybe just a week ago

1:42:31 Visas are not being given to anyone. Of course, that's always the case in the United States but if there is a suspicion at a foreign embassy someone requesting a visa that they may be coming to the United States to have a child and they look like their pretty pregnant no visa! That's and that's not really discussed right now amidst impeachment and Kobe and Wuhan flu and all this. Otherwise, believe me it would be top of the news! It would be anything anti-Trump but that is happening. And they're actually probably saving it for a general election kind of... Yeah well there's just too much going on but you know it'll pop up again.

1:43:21 This is what the Democrats don't get. When you start unearthing facts like that, you asked me a question awhile back about Trump and he's saying about the unemployment numbers in the black community. Trump understands the negative vote. People don't get that but he understands the negative vote. He can't say stay at home because it's voter suppression right? But I'm going to give you a reason Not to come out on Tuesday. Right and that reason is just don't don't support anyone else, and I'll take care of it Is that the idea? That's the thing And it's like these people haven't had your back for so long are you can continue to give me your vote and I will Safely say I will be surprised if that number falls somewhere around 50% Wow That's that would that would shatter the Democrat Party, and I'm thumbs

1:44:24 I'm serious because i'm talking to people and i'm like, uh what do you think about it? And they're like we don't like none of these candidates. So that's very interesting you think that Trump in a way is playing into this by he's not saying it but he's signaling hey they've given you nothing! Don't vote! I'll take care of it! Is he doing better now?! Don't vote for them! Don't vote for me Doesn't matter at all. There's don't vote and it plays right into the a dollars I gotta pay attention that messaging see you see how if he's because he's very good at subliminal stuff So I got it, I gotta pay attention to what he's doing there And before we wrap up with these last three clips, I just want to make a point make a point of it

1:45:04 This is how ADOS, the group and I want to make that clear because ADOS is a lineage. That's what I claim American descendants of slavery, excuse me American descendants of slavery but ADOS the group they started talking about voting down ballot and man they got ran out of town we covered this on our show because it's like no we're not vote what part don't you understand if it's not tangible? If we don't see in our pocketbooks We're doing just fine for the last three years. Last time I checked, you know what I'm saying? This is me speaking as a proverbial hoe but last time I checked my 401k is looking better than it ever looked. Right which is part of Trump's message right and your wife thinks you're genius

1:45:54 Yeah, and jobs are available. You can leave one job and go to another job it's not like you're... I'm not speaking for everybody but if you're gainfully employed there's opportunities out And just another example here, where I work they're building a three billion dollar facility right? There certain labor unions none of the people speak English Right So these things are noticeable. I mean, I'm not knocking but i'm just like so if even if I wanted a job on that team I can't because I don't speak Spanish right it's the construction industry is I mean it's yeah it's basically uh Mexican

1:46:38 Yeah, you're locked out. I mean you're locked out just because they have not even saying about lineage or ethnicity just the language barrier yeah if i'm working with 12 other guys that speak nothing but Spanish it can be dangerous yeah it could be dangerous and then they're gonna-i'm gonna slow them down so this is where we're at and these are real happenings. Where's the diversity in the construction business? Where's that brown and black coalition at? And where is the trans people in construction. Maybe, I don't know No that true but i'm just saying if you guys have kind of cornered the market In this union You should say hey man we're going to throw the brothers four or five of these spots

1:47:27 If there's a real coalition, I mean that's how coalitions work right? Throw the brothers four or five in these spots. Hey! I can just see that conversation never happening Exactly and that's why it's not a coalition It's a fallacy But um Ted Haight The last two clips have been throwback clips But man, he really goes in and these next two clips Ted Hayes three And these folks have come into my country in the name ironically of people of color My color skin color and the civil rights legacy and they're equating their struggle or whatever. They're suffering in Mexico Guatemala Salvador Korea

1:48:10 Their struggle is not to be equated with the struggle of my enslaved ancestors and emancipated forefathers. For them to come into my country and take my legacy is to rob me of everything that I am, and if they get amnesty then black people in this country we will die because of the illicit numbers that are coming into this country through the erroneous twisting of the 14th Amendment which was not for them. for the emancipated slaves. Wow, she was- did she want to shut him up instead of shut him down? The disdain that she has in this next clip and the amount of

1:48:49 Her being condescending is so obvious, it's ridiculous. Ted let me interrupt you for a second you know you spoke about your kind of black heritage and slavery and all that yes and you call yourself a civil rights activist, you're a black man most of the protesters against this law say this is a race issue and this is the new civil rights era in the United States if that's That's true. How can someone like you support this law? I think for many people it seems like a contradiction here because number one, these people who are claiming color are actually white people. You read their documents, you read the federal law, you read their own birth certificates. They are considered Caucasian people. They are not black people. Secondly, the business that the United States had with the emancipated slaves has never ever finished. You see we blacks lead

1:49:39 country in every way, we lead the country and every negative social statistic that there is. We are not finished with us. So how can these folks come into my country in the name of my civil rights and take it from us? That's why the majority of black people in this country are against illegal immigration. Why did you hear what she said to him? Oh yeah. You're kind of black And you call yourself a civil rights leader? Yeah, yeah. And who is she? For RT, I don't...I didn't catch her name but for RT. This is on RT and this is the closest you'll get to mainstream news. Was she white? Black? She was white! A woman of whiteness. Yes, just say your kind of black and... What's the reason she's on Rt Mo? That can even be below podcasting in some cases

1:50:38 That's true, but it's like the way she spoke to him was like... and then say it's the new civil rights. No no no for a future show we really have to look at the black leaders in America I mean, and-and I'm saying this in the context of just having seen a shrine to Nipsey Hussle on the Grammy Awards which is produced by the whitest man I know Ken Ehrlich. It was his last show and I work with him and I'm not a fan of Ken Erlich but that...that to me is emblematic of the problem you know? What leaders! What leaders! Thank you. Thank you. Like what Tavis Smiley said

1:51:22 They sold their souls to Obama. All the leaders are done, they're cooked and that's why people on podcasts and hashtags are the new leaders That's why you're seeing a I want you to highlight some of the new leaders From time to time you bring in youtubers. Yeah, yeah We hear these are the voices now we don't have Lee the thing that we don't need is leaders when people with ideas that make sense and this is just kind of go back to what I said before

1:52:02 The conservative party is formed or the Republican Party is formed around ideas. And it's like if you're on board with the idea, then we can work together. It's not about identity, it's about ideas and that's where I'm headed and I hope more people that share my lineage are headed the same way. If you don't share the ideas know it's not about just this feel good thing. We need to have you know, culture. And culture is shaped out of shared morals and understandings so that's what really been shaped here and if you're not on code or on board sorry for ya because we ain't doing the identity politics anymore and thats the whole point of this show. Moe you sound like a angry young black man

1:52:59 I am! Just checking. No, but I'm angry that when people tell you to get back in your box like she just did to this man... Get back in your box! That's horrible! It's horrible yeah I digress though But no and but but I understand and what I'm hearing I actually am hearing you frustrated mm-hmm so well well I want identify who are the I mean, is it Candace Owens? You know. Exactly. Because she's...I'm not saying because of what her ideas are because she has good ideas as well but we're checking to see who's backing you

1:53:45 We're checking to wait for the other shoe to drop. And like I said, we are not harping on one group or the other group whatever but when Adolf did this pivot of no were not voting, tangible tangibles then you come with this oh yeah vote down ballot. No. Explain the vote down ballot? Okay, this is what they were saying was we're not gonna vote for president but we're gonna vote for everything You know everything under that and it's like bro Everybody votes straight ticket when you go to vote everybody is match the red button or blue button, right? And they're out of there. So don't play that con game with me, right? And like I said, I'm not taking sides in this hole and I've kind of stayed away from that whole thing. So you think the voting down ballot is a cop-out is what I'm hearing here. That's a con! It's not a cop out it's a con. Once I get you into that voting booth then what are you going to do? You're gonna do this easy thing. You're gonna match one button or another button. Right. Then you know...you're not gonna sit out there and fill every bubble. Nobody does that

1:54:47 Come on, it's like we pick teams. It's like the Super Bowl I mean let's just be honest man Yeah So if it doesn't pass the smell test and that even goes for me If I come here talking crazy cancel me! I'm serious because I mean We're...we're...it's about being independent thinking. We're not being heard anymore Free men talking Yep free man talking so this last clip is just on a lighter note was not really lighter note but I got a question for you. More Hispanics claim dot, dot, dot what? What do you think it is? This is almost a family feud question. Yes more Hispanics claim just based on Steve based on everything I felt during the past two hours. I'm going to say more Hispanics claimed to be Caucasian survey says

1:55:43 More Hispanics are identifying themselves as white. That's according to a new census numbers released today. The report estimates 1.2 million of the 35 million Hispanic, Latino or Spanish Americans changed their race to white in the latest census research suggests Hispanics who have experienced discrimination are less likely to identify as white Okay! What do I win? You sir, win another episode of the MoFax podcast with Adam Curry. Outstanding Mo! I really appreciate this and and i think on this episode I like talking yeah discussing some we did sometimes the the topic in the clips warrant a little more conversation between two of us enjoyed very much that I like that hopefully I hope it elicits enjoyed as well

1:56:37 It's just that, that's what we're here doing. You're not standing inside a box I'm not standing inside of our box We are two men free thinking Two American freethinking and freetalking men would like to hear from you. You can go to mofax.com is where you can find everything about the show, but also you can support the show we work under the value for value method next week I think we're going to start thanking some people and Moe's had a crazy week at at the real job, which is also you know we're probably going to move to Tuesday as well. As a bit of housekeeping so yeah looks like Tuesday night will be our... We're gonna try that as our fixed night

1:57:23 And we'll get things going with the Value for Value Network. Already people are starting to email us ideas, there's themes, there's thinking... This is very important that you participate in the production of the show and We also feel that our time is valuable so if you value this show please put that into numbers go to Moefundme.com M-O-E-FUNDME.COM and support the show! And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. Ain't that the truth indeed? Moe thank you very much man! I enjoyed it as always. Same to you Adam Okay and we'll be back next week probably around Tuesday for all the show notes go to moefacts.com Until then everybody bye-bye

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