98: Mixed Up

00:01 so Mo Facts with Adam Curry for April 8th, 2024. Episode number 98! This is one of three more episodes to go That's right we're back I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country and time once again To spin The Wheel Of Topics from here to Northern Virginia Please say hello to my friend on the other end The one and only Mr... MO FACTS How you doing Adam? Oh Moe I am good once again. We have beaten the enemy and we're on the air People should know that whenever we start this show, I think every single time there's some kind of weird technical bug that pops up

00:50 It's unexplainable. Yeah, well it is and it isn't or is it right? Everything good brother other than a snake in the chimney and bearing a bird Snake in the chimney yeah oh man now were you lighting the fire order just no no Well what happened I heard him in the ceiling, and looked for him. Couldn't find him so then i did all the procedures and everything to get any possible entry point and two days later he was laying on the basement floor dead? No like a three foot long black snake oh man

01:35 And then two nights ago was a bear in the bird feeder right next to the house just like, lunching. Hey that's what it is! That's living in the country man! I love it, I love it! Excellent well its time once again for Mo Facts with Adam Curry and we're very excited that were here to do it for you again and let's get it rolling lets find out what the topic is going to be as we roll that wheel of topics round around it goes where it stops nobody knows except for Mo of course because he has prepared another doozy for em sure The topic of episode 98 is... That Yankee's gonna come out of the Negro? No, that kid's gonna come out a Negro. Okay this is gonna be a show about racial classification confusion

02:25 But it's due to the recent Drake and Kendrick Lamar beef, and other issues going online. I gotta tell you... Yeah? ...I saw this thing coming And we had already agreed we were gonna record today. And i was just like Oh Lord let Mo do something with this because This is so unhinged off the hook I don't understand And it's like a distraction, but is it? Like we need most stat. Is what I was thinking Well if you want to learn here about the hip-hop side of it go back and listen to hip hip right and hop The two shows that we did on hip hop what I'm seeing here is the racial classification confusion That was brought up with is Drake black uh-huh is he allowed to be black yeah um

03:21 And people are saying like, well are you being color or is Kendra Lamar being a colorist? I'm not going to make it about them because I'm sure people are overdone with the beef leftovers. What this is going to talk about is the aspect of being racially mixed why that Is an issue Why that causes confusion. Um, I want to lay it out there first. That's a very good idea to have racially mixed children in the system of white supremacy. If that system didn't exist, it wouldn't matter but what it does is causes confusion because where the children are obligated to be see that's where the real problem and there's this obligation Of are you allowed to be this or are you're not all we already know if you're a person of color? Hmm

04:19 a colored person as I like to say or non-white person is, as Millie Fuller identifies them as you're never going be allowed to be white. So that's off the table and then when you try to go be black in this case, Adolf, you're screwed! You're never gonna be black enough And it's not exclusive just to race because I've experienced this with just my family on my mom and dad side, right? When you're with your mom's family, you're too much like your dad's family. Right. When we reach your dad's family, too lucky much so this is... So i just want to dig into the subject because It's confusing literally Isn't isn't the real problem

05:08 The Drake's a Canadian? I mean, isn't that his biggest offense really? That's another thing. It's part of it! One he is not ADOS as he is by lineage from his father but he didn't grow up with that culture And then he comes in and like, he identifies with what I believe is some of the worst parts of the culture. And I get it because he's trying to fit in so you kind of gotta overdo it to fit in and over compensate

05:45 And we've talked about this for four years of Adolf's people circling their wagons because they feel like all the outsiders are being lumped into our culture, which we don't have a culture. I know it's going to all this episode is gonna piss everybody off that isn't why I waited near the end of the run. All right. Right? This is gonna be the least pissed off you're gonna be of the last three episodes. I mean, it's good You ramping up now here your ramping out ramping up all right because it's triggering It literally is triggering to say you're not black enough. You know you'll never be white but that's the system That's that we don't make the rules Honestly, I think he's stupid. I think race the whole conversation We know as a construct is created

06:36 And we're just gonna figure out why it's silly. But it's a real thing, so I just wanna lay that out what the show is gonna be about and we'll weave in and out of that conversation to point out that's why there is an issue but we're not gonna make it, that's not going to be the center of what we talk about today. Okay I'm with you. If that makes sense? Yeah I'm hanging in So we have this start at the beginning where interracial marriages became legalized and that's in Virginia On July 11th, 1958 at 2 a.m., a county sheriff entered the home of Virginia couple Richard and Mildred Loving, forced them out of their bed and placed them under arrest. Their crime? Interracial marriage. This is the story of Loving versus Virginia in the landmark civil rights decision that would set an important precedent for marriage rights in America

07:39 Richard, who was white and Mildred who was black and Native American spent the early morning hours of July 11th in jail. They were tried and found guilty of violating Virginia's Racial Integrity Act of 1924 a series of laws that made race mixing illegal The Lovings were then given an ultimatum spend one year in prison or leave the state of Virginia for 25 years Frightened and unaware of their legal options, they moved to Washington DC where their marriage was legal. Wow! The Racial Integrity Act? Which is why I said you can't be white classified as white if you have any black blood and this is coded in the law Is that still a thing has it ever been overturned well this case eventually overturns that

08:33 But in the minds of people it's never been eliminated because the system hasn't been eliminated. We look at each other and say, I think he's black or I think he's white or he's not all the way black or you know is he passing? This kind of thing so Even the words racial integrity. The integrity word is kind of a problem there, isn't it? Right because this is like it's a litmus test or purity test but just going back on what we've learned in the past 97 episodes wasn't also Virginia that had the didn't they have the sterilization act

09:21 Yeah, I mean a lot of states had that. Yeah okay but i just think-I just remembered specifically from Virginia yeah and we're gonna see Virginia is unique in this subject and living here it's probably one of the most racially the highest ratio of interracial marriage and procreation probably in the United States. Because it was a culture shock to me, coming from North Carolina how prevalent it is here. But that's just worth putting a little checkmark so you know

10:04 The state that has all of, that had these laws had these laws. Then it actually created the opposite of the intended effect. Yeah and we're going to get as we progress it makes sense why it may be that way but let's go ahead and get into the second part is clip. They raised their three children in a nation's capital financially strapped and isolated from friends and family Five years later, they returned to Virginia to visit Mildred's relatives but were arrested for a second time for traveling together. Inspired by the burgeoning civil rights movement, Mildred decided to fight back so in 1963 she wrote a letter to U.S Attorney General Robert F Kennedy asking for his advice

10:50 Kennedy referred the Lovings to the American Civil Liberties Union, who assigned their case to two young lawyers named Bernard Cohen and Philip Hirschkop. Cohen and Hirschkopf took their appeal all the way to the Supreme Court, arguing that Virginia's anti-miscegenation laws violated the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment which guaranteed African Americans citizenship and all its privileges. The broad and sweeping language of the amendment they argued made no mention of interracial marriage and thus guaranteed equal protection of a human being's right to marry.

11:31 So they go up to DC, which I find it strange just a few maybe out on like maybe a couple hours of the road to DC from Virginia where they were at. It's legal there for them to be there then they come back to Virginia for visit five years later and the cops know whether at 2 AM kicking in door to arrest him this gives me vibes down in Arkansas in the schools, when they integrated the schools and also Brown Board of Education. How this case was picked, handpicked... Yeah it did with some setup obviously Right because it's like you don't just write and get Robert F Kennedy to take on your case

12:20 and hand you off to um ACLU yeah it's a Bernard Cohen and Philip Hitchcock. Yeah they were ready there was people ready for this to happen right which the bigger issue was state rights yes it was the back door into the federal government telling states how they can run themselves under the cover of civil rights, which this is when we open it. We opened the door and everybody else comes running through. Yeah, sorry I was going to open that's the door. Closing right? I got a door so something happened to the door so that's the door opening let's go ahead and get into the final part

13:11 Attorneys from the state of Virginia argued that the states rights should be prioritized over federal laws. But the argument didn't hold up on June 12th, 1967 The court unanimously struck down the Virginia marriage ban and overturned the loving's conviction. The court ruling reverberated across America invalidating validating anti-miscegenation laws not only in Virginia, but in 16 other states that held them as well. After winning their case the Lovings were finally free to do what they wanted to all along. They lived quietly in Virginia as husband and wife until Richard's death in 1975

13:54 Loving vs. Virginia would inspire gay marriage advocates during their own Supreme Court victories decades later For example, 2003's Lawrence v Texas decision ruled that a Texas statute criminalizing sexual activity between members of the same sex was unconstitutional The Supreme Court would directly cite Loving in two subsequent landmark cases that paved the way for same-sex marriage Ah! Okay so... What I'm hearing you say, and maybe wrong what i'm hearing you say is this was a setup to move to the next phase. It's always a set up for something bigger. And it has no payoff in it other than access to sexual access to the opposite race there was no

14:43 We don't like separate but equal for instance when we ask for separate, but equal we got integration of schools yeah So it's is this is a nothing burger in the standpoint of actually Dismantling the system or bringing about you know actual justice Understood. Yeah, so I'm just letting it but this is the beginning of legal interracial marriage, you know on a wide scale. So I just want to lay that out now then and this is her rehashing of history. I found a report from 1967 excuse me actually speaking to the Lovings so if you want to get into clip number five sure. I said i think to learn who you want to it's all right that no man should have anything to do with

15:38 It's a God-given right, I think. Mildred Loving married the boy next door Richard Loving. Richard Loving is a construction worker and Mildred Loving the daughter of sharecropper They were born and raised in Caroline County Virginia where white and colored people seem unaware of the racial prejudice that exists in much of the country The Lovings didn't know that it was a crime for a white person to marry Negro in Virginia they found out the hard way But I didn't realize how bad it was until we got married Full of love themselves they didn't expect to find hate in others their homes swarms with children Their own three as well as neighborhood friends who enjoy the warmth here Okay, so this is while speaking about Virginia here in Virginia right it's so widespread even in 67 that I didn't even know what was a law hmm

16:33 You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I hear you and they were neighbors so even that part of it um So this this case is just it's very strange to me How they pushed it but its not really. It was a stepping stone case And notice the makeup of the genders white man with quote-unquote black female mm-hmm It wouldn't have been the other way around. Now, but she wasn't even... She was also part Native Indian? Native American? She identified as Native American! I'm not gonna go all damn Calloway on you of what's possibly being- Pocahontas Law, okay Well some people believe that some black people are native to North America and I believe that this is my personal belief that we're made up of three groups of people

17:31 People from Africa, people that was naturally here that were heavily melanated and people out of Europe there were heavily melanated. That's my personal belief and we all were just mishmashed Up you're saying into one group. Mm-hmm That's my personal belief and so yeah, cuz like growing up we're told you know You have Indian blood and this kind of thought my grandma was always Pushing that honestly never told me that that's interesting I've never heard that Yeah, you yeah, that was not that was no and My grandmother was a fair skinned lady like um Miss Loving was. If you look at her picture, they're about the same complexion so that's the key right here Another undertone is That's why I said about the drag situation it's not colorism It's cultural... Culturalism Right

18:23 More than color because you have people all hues, but if you identify as black and you grew up well with a black family Then there's no question about your blackness right But if your bi-racial then that's the way the question starts to come in it And we'll like I said. We'll get to why but just laying out on a grand scale It wasn't an issue in pockets like in 1976 in Virginia Still to this day, I was from North Carolina. No man, I am from North Carolina when I came here it was a culture shock seeing so many interracial dating people were interracial dating and Interracial procreating because it wasn't as prevalent in North Carolina. That's just right one state over Yeah It's I find it to be fascinating cuz he's like it comes also from culture

19:23 I'm gonna be honest with you. My mom told me don't bring a white girl home that was baked in because and I know people like, sounds racist what that is is that was protective Because we were taught at any time She could say it wasn't consensual and that's your black A That's how it was said. Really? Yes And that's how it was told, that's how it was said and That's how it is. Now fast forward It's more of Self-love while people don't want to do it like me I love myself You know I love myself so much I wanted to find somebody who looked like me you know To make babies look like me but here's the kicker

20:18 My wife is quote unquote light-skinned. But her parents are, one is my color and one is darker than me make that make sense? And I have babies, you know what i'm saying? Two of my babies are light-skinned like her. That's God's plan brother that's God's plan! So this...I'm just showing you how this color issue is so confusing Okay so but I understand what you're saying Is that the color issue was is just the wrong issue Yes, it's the wrong issue because people are all kids in the more being colorist. No no that's not what he saying It's that Drake didn't grow up here in this culture That's why he doesn't understand the nuance of the conversation But I would say on kitchen Lamar part you have to communicate that clearly Because what it could be done is is they are your colorists and

21:17 This is like it right instead of I think I think we just nailed a culturist instead of a color as the culturists or culture ISM versus colorism And that's the key cuz like that's the whole thing about when we say ados versus not Adolfs FBA and verses my fba It goes back to culture you come here from Africa. You don't understand our culture You don't understand our relationship with this system here And I'm gonna go forward like I said, this is gonna be well no make it too long but this if Somebody will look at me in Africa and call me water down Because I have white blood in me somewhere down the line. Mm-hmm. I've been called water down Yeah, yeah Right right but that's only based on the color

22:16 Not on anything else. Right, because well they assume it's all based off the assumption if you're in America you have white blood in you that's the assumption for non-American black people yeah Because if you grew up in Africa or the Caribbean, more likely you had all black lineage. I mean... Per se! If you move to Nigeria tomorrow, you'd probably feel like a fish out of water because you're not part of that culture even though you have the same quote-unquote color Right, but hold on. But no there was probably look at me as watered down mm-hmm because you're American yeah And you have white blood in you and this is what I said this if you take white people out of it for a second just the intro if we want to say black or lack of better word it's so nuanced that

23:07 And when you try to fit these pieces together... What are you talking about Moe? It's the black and brown community. That's the thing about the black, well if you want to go brown look at Brazil! Look how complicated Brazil is! This is what I love about our show called Leaders they're talking about the black and brown community and I'm going huh?! Yeah So I guess that I don't want to be you said a deer horse But I just want to lay it out cuz people like what do you mean? Like why would you say that or that and to be honest with you this whole conversation? I'm just gonna you're saying because I feel like I had a lady put this up front. This is for the children Because they're gonna be even more confused about

23:49 when they interact with the system. That's the real problem, like I said if the system didn't exist none of this would matter at all because then it was like you say not to use an overused term but like Martin Luther King said that content or your character...that should be are you a piece-of-crap person or not? That should be that should be the only question we judge people off But no, because the system is like hmm you're light skinned. You must be think you're white or your dark skin, you know your whatever you understand it goes like you're dumb or whatever are subhuman Yeah all of these assumptions can't go with color but even with the color

24:34 It ain't the same because like I said, you could have a black person like my wife that's fair light skinned. She is what they would call a red bone. You're saying she's not high yellow which those are different terms if you know so but there was Redbone never heard of them. That's more like a reddish tone to your skin more than a fair skin compare Barack Obama to who can I say? I'm gonna say maybe Kamala Harris. Maybe not, it's difficult. Like i said there is a wikipedia entry for it so that I am good. And really the women oh they go by MAC makeup identifiers

25:31 If you're this number tone, I went down that rabbit hole and not turned around. No yeah this is always confused once I went because they like if you miss that in hair texture Yeah, that's how they have different grades of hair textures CD be whatever 4c I don't know. I got confused and then they go by the Mac shade on The MAC cosmetic color yes Wow yes okay Right, so I just want to put all that out there to show you when you start having these high level conversations and saying who's black who's not. Go ahead. I just need to ask okay? So this Drake Kendrick Lamar thing

26:19 I hope you're gonna explain to me why this is playing out. What is a Pulitzer Prize winner doing, you know in this beef with Drake? Is there something that had to come to ahead? Is there something that has planned to come to ahead? Well let's have that quick conversation and then we'll get back because maybe... what it looks like is Drake has been given white privilege to the other artist He came in, he was... I'm just telling you how it was perceived. What the perception is? He came in, he's a super light-skinned guy, biracial Now here's where it gets sticky at because he's Jewish

27:00 Ah, there it is. Okay there you go yeah that's the part I was forgetting yes right so he they look at like he got privileges from being Jewish from a Jewish ran industry well he probably did i mean this that's as you and I think agree your cultures and people stick together right but here's the thing I think is the perfect time and a bad way for that conversation to start happening. But they can't say Jewish because of the anti-Semitic thing... There it is, there it is! Okay you know what? Stop stop stop yeah It just because I've been going through this myself in my world where all of a sudden it became okay to say bad Jew

27:50 And it started with Kanye, and Kanye got ripped apart for it. I don't even know where Kanye is right now but all of a sudden this undertone that's been bubbling along for 20-30 years...I've seen it online you know the rise of alternative social media networks It became more and more prevalent then all of a sudden with Israel Hamas It became okay to come out and say it, and there's no pushback. Which who controls that? The system! The system of white supremacy said Jews are no longer white That's basically what's happening here Boom There it is This is- that's what's happening And then Kendra Lamar Is tapping into the energy

28:39 Without saying it though, they can't say it because... Yeah. Because then the beef battle would be over very quick. Right! It would have to end yeah okay right so he's like you're not black now you figure out what you are but you can't be black man You just made this whole thing clear to me in one second Like oh of course how could I have missed that? I knew that about Drake and now I get it yes Yeah, the Jew but all the Jews I know don't consider themselves white. This is the interesting thing. I say are you white? No, I'm Jewish Well here's the other thing like I said now this way it gets sticky at cuz Vlad DJ Vlad got into it with some lady from Princeton about she said are you white and he got in his feelings cause he asked her was he was he white and Like I said, this is a white privilege

29:34 Jews have been beneficiaries of white supremacy. Right, and when you say white privilege I'm going to... in my mind you're saying white supremacist privilege and not what people have called me like you are a white privileged is a different thing? No! White supremists don't have privilege They have, you know what I'm saying? Divine right. Yeah that's the difference why and i said this on a previous show white privilege is given to non-white people they gave it to the italians they gave it to the you know whatever you're saying yeah hispanics are starting to get it yeah you can have some white privilege biracial people yeah you can get some white privilege too the jews yeah you can get some white privilege but white supremacists don't need privilege i'm white

30:28 That's how they think. You know what I'm saying? God, I am supreme! What privilege can you give Supreme in their mind? None. See they dole out privilege and what they've done is retracted the privilege from the Jews yeah and that's why the Jews have to ask for it now in terms of funding protection and all that other things It's so amazing to me Moe There is a huge belief that the Jews, particularly Zionists in Israel run America. Yes And I just don't believe that! It...I don't either. it's just like no you're seeing at the you've seen it the wrong way this not and this just it's You can't tell-you cannot convince these people otherwise The way I say it is who's asking and who's giving? That's right

31:25 That's the only way you look at it. Both Palestine and Israel are asking. We're giving to both sides, I read the bill the other day we're giving money to Palestine and money to Israel Right so who is asking? And who is giving? Who can say no you need to stop? Who has to stop that's who supreme and that's who ain't supreme when you look at like that it clears itself up. And going back to this subject, okay We're gonna let the black people, we're gonna give them some white privilege and merit little marry white people. That's what happened with this case You know it's bad for business you know set all this segregation because what happened was television came about Yeah Now you got black kids having to go to the back of restaurants getting beat This kind of thing oh no we can't do that because that is broadcast across the world No no no we gotta change business

32:22 Change the business model. So how do we do that? We let some black people, black men specifically get you know cuz like they've always had black women white men whenever they want them That's a privilege You're saying that they've given black women to come on yeah, you can sleep with me if I say so but black man It's not okay Yeah, we got to put some good stuff up in the front storefront Yeah, and I'm being very honest. Honest? Not even honest but blunt. Blunt yeah that's it because that's what it is Well this is what I love Moe because there's a little more fire in you than I haven't necessarily heard before

33:02 And I've actually been, for whatever reason X has been giving me more of your tweets recently. So but I know you've been on a track here. I know we've been building up to this and I love it because this is the honesty that you don't get in... You do not get this anywhere! In fact, the whole Kendrick Lamar Drake beef is not honest if you think about it's dishonest. And you know why? How you have to be more honest in my opinion The thicker the confusion gets, the more straight to the point you gotta get. You can't dance around with the confusion because you're just going to confuse people more. Who's giving? Who's asking? That's it and let people think about it like huh well if they were running they wouldn't have had to ask for Iron Dome or whatever else. Just like this going back I said we allow you... We have a rule on the books that says your black

34:01 But we're gonna allow you to marry white people. Why don't you just take the rule off? Move that rule off the book and it won't be a problem now We're gonna write another rule that we can also rescind Just like with the voting bill, they gotta go every few years and oh yeah whatever We won't still let you vote black people. And then it's like, oh we gotta fight for it! You know? What are we doing here?! See how confusing that is? Yeah but only if you can figure out how to get an ID because yeah that's very difficult Sorry for the long tangent there. It's good, it's good Well we had to get some confusion out of the way Alright now going back Let's go back to 1976 and part two of The Loving Report Mrs. Loving recalls how the ordeal began one night in 1958 The night that I was arrested This was about 2am

35:02 And I saw this light, you know and I woke up and it was the policeman standing beside the bed. And he told us to get out that we were under arrest. You go ahead and play. Anyway they carried us to Golden Green and locked us up in January they had a trial And they told us to leave the state for 25 years. But the way I understood it, their lawyer said that we could come back to visit when we wanted to. So at Easter we came back and they got us again. We had been down a few times before that but at Easter we came down and found out there was dead wrestlers were here. Okay. I just find that weird like how do they know you were back

35:54 And they said you could come, it seems like they had some kind of understanding. They could come visit but they didn't let him visit. Seems very staged and now people can get upset with me. That's fine it seems very stage just like the whole Rosa Parks situation With the whole Arkansas situation with the whole Brown versus board situation this is political theater to push something forward and what it is also if it wasn't issued in a This is what confuses me a little bit. If they didn't see an issue with them dating with each other now, all of the sudden they're getting arrested for it? They said that they didn't even see racism in that form existing and if you couldn't date who you wanted to date in that pocket of Virginia

36:45 Well, all of a sudden they're getting like two in the morning you get your door kicked in. Well that must have been for some political point somewhere Yeah so I mean that's just I found it strange let's go ahead and wrap this up the last third part The Loving spent five years in a Negro ghetto in Washington DC where they suffered the indignities of unemployment loneliness and uncertainty When one of the children, unused to city streets was hit by a car Mrs. Loving decided to act She wrote a letter to the then Attorney General of the United States Robert Kennedy who in turn passed the letter on to a Virginia lawyer Bernard Cohen A member of the Civil Liberties Union We have three children and cannot afford an attorney we wrote to the Attorney General He suggested that we get in touch with you for advice Please help us if he can hope to hear from you real soon yours truly Mr.. And Mrs. Richard Loving

37:33 And it was that simple letter that got us into this not so simple case. Bernard Cohen could and did help the Lovings, he teamed up with another attorney Phil Hirschkop and at no fee they reopened the Loving case in the Virginia courts Okay So there was it was clearly for those political points without one of my be Kennedy Yeah, and I want to make one point we can move forward He went to DC and lived a black experience Five years. Yeah, yeah The kids were confused they didn't understand what was going on and of course I'm sure it wasn't a cakewalk for him in black no kidding. No kidding. Yeah. Yeah, but He didn't want to live her experience

38:21 He wanted her to live his experience. That's what had to change, you know? It's not okay well we're in love and I just gotta take...you know I'm just gonna have lived a black experience. But she also didn't live that because she was his neighbor Right! Like they had to go somewhere where only black people could be Right is my point right I got you so they were like let's please anybody change the laws we need some privilege over here for my wife So he could come home okay, and that's just weakness this when you think about racism. That's how silly it is

39:03 But as serious as cancer, you know what I'm saying? Don't get it twisted but to say that you're this shade or that shade of whatever else. And to prove that point now we gotta go back to episode 39 and I just wanna play this clip a tad bit long but I wanna illustrate how your perceived to be white in 1949 when the movie was made. Look at how they receive her and then nothing changed! Look as soon as they find out what she identifies as how different they treat her pinky Excuse me, ma'am. You must be a stranger around here We can't let no white girl walk by herself through this here nigger section I live in this section you but I said I live here now just let me alone She lives well, what do you know? Who'd ever figure that

40:03 Man, that's the whitest dingy I ever saw. Boy look at that little swamp rabbit go! What do you say let's go get her? Boy lets go now! We ain't gonna hurt ya baby Now don't be afraid baby we ain't gonna hurt ya You sure just wanna have a little fun baby Now take it easy... Will you get over here? Come here honey

40:43 You know, As I listen to that, and I was thinking about this the other night. Actually last night we watched some of the Eurovision Song Contest semi-finals And you know it's all the best songs Forget about the performances because there is all kinds of stuff wrong with that forget about the production Just purely its about the songs and were sitting there like this all sucks It's all so bad

41:42 And I think, you know we're good at this and America is good at creating entertainment products. Without us this type of... This is a historical document, this is a historical thing I think without America, of course we get blamed for being the worst at racism and slavery etc. But we really have continuously documented even right down to this Drake and Kendrick Lamar thing We are the ones also putting it out there for the world to see which is kind of extraordinary when you think about it It's the perfect storm of talents merging And what I mean by that

42:29 The Jewish man, he's excellent at putting on a show. It was a documentary called Who Created Hollywood I believe and in Hollywood the glitz the glamour the limelight that's all them there that's their talent. The black people brought the actual soul you know saying like they said let's use black music But let's like sparkle it up. Well to this day, Moe, this is what hip-hop radio has become right? And then what the white people bring to the table are the managers you know as far not managers in that sense but The finance to put the money behind it and even when Asians look at hip hop they brought in a technology

43:19 of creating certain pieces of equipment and things that nature. So, that's why hip hop is a fascinating thing like when everybody works at what they're good at it becomes something special the problem is when the pie start getting divided up That's where the issue becomes. Well you mean the money? Yes! Yeah... So, that's what I'm saying like your exactly right if everybody leans to their strengths and works together, and I was not going to lay this out on this show but i'm just gonna say it because you always do this. You'll say you always make me go somewhere else with it the only issue with white supremacy and why is not affected by the seven habits of highly effective people

44:08 It's win-win. You know, you were saying this and I'm thinking wow this is why value for value works This is why when we created the Value For Value system in podcasting where everybody gets a piece of the pie And it's trans...you know the splits? It's transparent everybody can see it Everybody can see, oh this is my piece I'm getting that. You can see exactly what came in and we have a group of developers which is believe me politically very very diverse. Israel-Palestine, as diverse as gay straight. We don't have a lot of women there but it has been working for three years open source projects typically blow up within 18 months and someone rage quits and takes the whole code with them or whatever but it's because of the fair division that at least a division everybody can see win-win for everybody

45:08 That's what makes, that's the seven habits of highly effective people and that's where white supremacy fails. You know the other six habits? Excellent! And you know what if you do this seven habit a win-win it is no longer white supremacy is justice right that's the only thing that holding back when you go to somewhere and they have a natural resource like oil or Lithium you say hey, you got some nice lithium there black people over Over the Congo Yeah Let's do a win-win deal here and I could bring your quality of life up to my quality of life And you give me something that lithium. You know everybody wins no what it is it? It's predatory mm-hmm I'm gonna have you down there as least as possible we might dig your well or two and

45:56 You know, and you're going to pick the lithium out with your bare hands. Your kids are gonna do it now! It's even better than that That's crazy, that's the only thing. I had that thought like, I mean I was saving that but I wanted to bring it because you brought it up and that's the thing if everybody would just be win-win and not me and you at this show is a win-win. Like you said, you in podcasting 2.0 like you described, it's a win-win everybody wins. Win lose nobody wins in a win lose because guess what? The person that won

46:32 It's gonna make a victim out of the loser and you're gonna become an oppressor. And then you, now if you're going to take that route don't play the pious role Don't be like oh well this is just the way it is No live in it lean into it I'm oppressing That's what I am doing At least be honest You know, because that we start getting this other problems when you start to lie about what you're doing. And like I said that's the what like with the whole thing is going over there in the Middle East? That's the problem nobody is doing win-win it's enough natural resources To go around as enough energy in the world or go around us enough food in the world and go around

47:13 But where everybody can have a decent quality of life and nobody has to be oppressed. Nobody has to be mistreated. No, but that is the system that's what corporations have become all of it It's not win-win This is why the system of white supremacy Is this system of white supremacy because the white supremacist think if we do win-win then they'll breed us out That's the core of racism right there. If we don't oppress, and you see that I hate to make this about that in the Middle East because it's not but it's the same thing if we don't keep our foot on their neck and keep them in his little small part of land they'll overrun us

47:58 So yeah, that's why they look like white supremacists over there in Israel. That's why the college kids are acting crazy because they can see it is like this is not win-win you know and really what it is a lot of kid with guilt It's like look at all the stuff I have These are well to do kids so it was total guilt And this is why I said You can't win even if you win and when lose because guess what your kids are gonna be ashamed of you Yeah Yeah, what we haven't given them is the tools to see the path to change. That's what we haven't given them Well it's simple and that's why I've been doing about it on 98th show of this show It's simple nobody is mistreated and a person that needs the most help gets the most constructive help That's it! But no We got to go to the one drop room about to get into And if you have a drop of this we get to mistreat you

48:57 Explain what the one-drop rule is. The one drop rule historically, also known as the rule of hypo dissent was really instituted to protect whiteness it was a way for the white majority to be able to name and incite who was white so it was one drop which is 1 32nd 132nd of Negro or African blood would make that person Negro or African, whatever the classification they used at the time. I hear people say we're in a post-racial society The reality is in order to get beyond something you have to understand it right? And where in your education... Where have you been required to learn about race They don't teach it No! It's the foundation of this country

49:37 We have to talk about race. We have to talk about racial difference It is just a flat-out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race You know, a lot of people when Don Lemon was kicked off of CNN thought it was from the whole bunch of things I think it was for this conversation that he had He was getting too close to the third rail That and then when he did the Ados thing like who we kind of took up for them. Yeah, that's a big mistake This is why I say American black people ados can identify with white people globally Because we're the minority in this country Like white people are on the globe so we can identify it's like I'm saying this now You keep this up It's not gonna be any of us left

50:23 You see what I'm talking about? Identify. So it's like, hey we don't want to get rid of nobody How do we make sure that happens how do we come to the table and have an honest conversation And say you know what i think was like 13 percent the world is white how Do we make sure that number doesn't shrink past thirteen percent and in the trade-off Whatever percentage of resources that thirteen percent controls how about we spread dead around evenly Where everybody, because this is all that really is distrust. You know and this why you had to have arms race and build nuclear weapons and all this stupid stuff cause it's like if I don't get to it first they'll get to it then they'll take me out the face of the planet And we're all living in a damn world of panic and anxiety Yeah pretty much where we are right now

51:15 Right, and then if you go down to the Lovings on the 121 in their little pocket of Virginia it didn't exist. Because like you can date who you want a date that kind of thing so it obviously works If we let people start riling us up. Amen! So I'm just... It blows my mind that is that simple but I understand fear because honestly may have said this on show but imma say again Why I take interest in this is, and this in a little foreshadowing. I have three daughters who are they gonna marry? Yeah That's the real question for you. I hear ya! Who... what will these men be like Right because I love myself I love how look you know And it's nothing wrong with everybody loving how they look and want to make more people How they look there's no problem with that

52:14 That's not racist. That's loving yourself. What the problem, like I said who are my daughters gonna marry? The problem is supply! Right because if i live a better life their options get smaller and the better life I live their options get even smaller Where to honestly a dogs people may have to go to arrange marriages To be I mean just to survive as this Culture or I mean we're counterculture because we don't have a culture We were counterculture to the system of white supremacy and that's it goes globally. That's global Everybody is not white supremacist is counterculture even the orange people

52:58 Now that's why they're realizing it. Well, there you go orange and black are starting to come together. Well that's why they keep ramping up the race machine. You know? That's why racism is all-time high because they can't let the orange man and in the brown man or black men realize hey we got the same boat here! Yeah so I mean that's all but it goes back Going back to Virginia now because that was the original, Loving vs. Virginia was the original legalization of interracial marriage We have to go back to Thomas Jefferson and you know with Sally Hemings And this is Thomas Jefferson's grandson we just can listen to it right quick just for context

53:49 This is his grandson who escaped to Cincinnati. Back here at home, it is a 4th of July with a unique meaning for 78 year old James Clark today is more than a holiday to him and today where he thinks of his ancestors and that's because he's a descendant of Thomas Jefferson. Nine years signs Palo Sur explains his connection to our founding father. If we go over here, history on the walls in history in his blood. This is my grandmother meet James Ira Clark's grandmother Martha or Bessie Clark. This is my grandmother again she was active in the First Baptist Church of Cummingsville at which my mother wound up being very

54:32 Active according to James all of them are descendants of Thomas Jefferson a founding father and third president of the United States most people Mention it too. They think I'm crazy or lying See Bessie James's grandmother was Peter Fawcett's granddaughter in James says that faucet was not only one of Jefferson slaves But also his grandson yeah, and this is why Monta Monticello had of course to be to be deemed one big racist place. Right, and that's in Virginia? Yeah and they couldn't see it as actually something really fantastic And that is why I believe loving wasn't a weird thing because interracial sex was very common in Virginia for a long time It predates what existed during slavery So

55:30 actual practice was not thorn. It was like when you want to legitimize a person as your wife and make a contractual bond with them, whoa that's what the problem now I know don't you? No that's you try to humanize her what are you doing? You're saying that's not how we do business but let's go ahead and get this second part of Thomas Jefferson's grandson. Fawcett moved to Ohio after Jefferson's death, becoming a reverend in Cincinnati and a conductor for the Underground Railroad. Original slave papers that relates back from Thomas Jefferson

56:07 down to well, I guess you would say down to my son. Now that I'm older, I'm proud of my heritage." He's got a table full of century-old documents. It makes me feel good that the only thing i can hold on and keep me sane including the papers that released his ancestors from slavery with their original seal. I might add this to let you know they're n him that we've come a lon he says growing up in the f was not easy. Christmas b And you know what it was? Two pieces of coal. James was a welder who retired in January after 25 years, and although he can't read or write like many of his ancestors, he's got the history written on these papers and in his blood that gave me satisfaction looking back where I was where I've been now. Paolo Siro 9 on your side.

57:09 So you have documents proving. Yeah, you're the grandson of Thomas Jefferson and I'm sure there's a fortune that goes along with that but you can't read right? We'll let you have the papers but we won't teach you how to read them so you can't even do anything with it You know to get whatever your entitled by being his grandson This is what is on the news How sick is this And it gets sicker when we get into Thomas Jefferson meets Sally Hemings in an SNL skit.

58:03 Sally, I'm Thomas Jefferson the owner of this house. I know who you are. I just wanted to welcome you to Monticello! I hope you'll be very happy here with us? Well...I'm just happy to be indoors thank you That's charming Oh brother, here he goes. Like a bee to a blossom! What are you talking about? Don't you read the papers everybody knows it Thomas Jefferson only dates black chicks No really?! You've never heard that no that's totally his thing everybody knows that And in humor there some truth Always I'm happy to be indoors

58:51 That's a house negro. Uh-huh That's the animosity between the field Negro and the house Negro. We're gonna get there with Malcolm X, and maybe that's a good time to skip there? Let's go to 13, and then we'll come back to 12 because I want to lay this out because that's where the animosity... And this is where color comes in that cause animosity between black people because house Negroes just wasn't selected to be in the house they were family members of the slave owners Back during slavery, when black people liked to talk to the slaves, they didn't kill them. They'd send some old house negro along behind him to undo what he said

59:39 You have to read the history of slavery to understand this. There were two kinds of Negroes, there was that old house Negro and the field Negro And the house Negro always looked out for his master When the field Negro got too much out of line he held him back in check He put them back on the plantation The house Negro could afford to do that because he lived better than the field Negro He ate better, he dressed better and he lived in a better house He lived right up next to his master in the attic or the basement He ate the same food his master ate and wore the same clothes. And he could talk just like his master, good diction! And he loved his master more than his master loved himself That's why he didn't want his master hurt If the master got sick he'd say what's the matter boss we sick

1:00:23 When the master's house caught on fire, he tried to put the fire out. He didn't want his master's house burned. He never wanted his master's property threatened and he was more defensive of it than the master was. That was a house negro! What is Malcolm saying here? I mean i understand literally what he's saying but did we miss an opportunity by calling the house negro, the Uncle Tom and the traitor and everything bad? Well they're not traitors. No that's what I'm saying. They're stuck in the system. And they are stuck in the middle because your father is the master Yes! And your mother is a slave

1:01:08 It wasn't by force, it was more about coercion. We're gonna get to we can probably skip over 12 we're gonna go to 14 after this but it was more of coercion that hey you got a good here You living in the house as what she said I'm just happy to be indoors That was that was the punchline of the joke I'm just happy to be indoors You know what that see you're carrying in your belly. That's my child it might get you and him free or her free if You go along and undo with all those field Negroes trying to do you report back to me? You know, you go down there And I'm gonna teach you how to read and you reading the Bible and you convince them It's their role to be slaves by the Bible hmm

1:01:56 That's how it works. And maybe on my deathbed, I'll give you and your child freedom." So if you want your child to be free of course you're gonna sabotage whatever everybody else is doing this is the boule. This is the boule! That's the mindset of the boule. There it is check in, check it in. That's the mindset. I'm gonna let you come to Princeton Harvard wherever else and get one of these nice educations. And as long as you keep them in line and keep them voting or keeping marching and not trying to change the system, I'll make sure I give you. But you're going live hand-to-mouth that way I can call your phone at any time. If you act up, I'll send you back down to the field with him and what they gonna do with you down in the field if they know I don't care what you do? Hello Palestine Israel. Same thing. Exactly

1:03:00 There it is. Well, this system is no good! Of course it ain't I mean that's why I'm trying to get rid of it and we can be further along... We could have the best life ever if one we stop mistreating people each other And then they wonder why it boils down to a one-to-one relationship where everybody's trying to scam each other or grift each other, or steal from each other. I mean that starts at the top when they say the fish rots in their head? You made the point you said if the politicians are stealing... Everyone else is going to do it of course If thats the example let me get mine Right There's no moral high ground here

1:03:56 And but that's the system. That's how it works and it's like I'll keep them fighting against each other and I'll keep the scale balanced And like I said, on a global scale and this is the same thing with Drake and Kings Lamar. We'll bring Drake in we know he ain't one of us wink-wink nod-nod but we'll give him some privilege you know will give him all the things they need to be successful He has talent i'm not taking that away from them But will make everybody else distrust him Because we'll let him, oh ghostwriting that was taboo in hip-hop. But we're writing the papers on no this is the new hip hop We will make it okay for him to have people write his rhymes for him and that creates animosity between the house negroes Kendra Lamar future and all of them against the field negros against Drake the house Negro Yeah same system

1:04:55 Okay, it ain't that complex. No, that's the thing about is not that is not that complex But dad gone if it's effective but in a fake because he's gonna miss one thing to win-win Yeah, it still is I keep saying and it is but I'm gonna illustrate to you how This leverage work and this is a movie came out in 2000 This is American scandal. This is the story about Sally Hemings and this is the conversation, I'm just going to preface what's going on here. This is a conversation between Sally Hemings and her mother upon her return from France back to Virginia. Real French fabric look at this would you like to try it on? Don't you dare stop walking find things

1:05:49 Find things are traps, but I only wanted to try it on. I suppose your sister Only wanted to try it on too you see what a got her get on out of here critter Sally I'm very disappointed in you You were supposed to stay over there and be free James was gonna see after you and now both of your back here And you with your belly as big as the house Why, Master Tom? Please mother enough of this. Please mother enough of this my my my my We do have such class now don't we? style and sophistication You let me tell you something missy You coming back here with your proper English and French clothes Don't make you nothing but a fancy slave That that's where it's rooted Oh you speak so well Yeah yeah That then that makes you

1:06:49 It's articulated as you talk white and that's why it's not trusted. When somebody talks white, I know it's not taught but that's how we're saying because here you come with a white education and a white mind every time it comes is coming to trick me every time I interacted with that nested house Negro on the field Negro relationship And that's why they're not trusted and that's why Obama had to do that. That is swag, you know what I'm saying? That kind of thing. Code switching Yeah because if you talk or spoke without that and carried yourself just as a Harvard or Ivy League person is supposed to whatever that means

1:07:38 Then you won't be trusted. So we got to put some of this swag, put some swag on it." And that was a mislead and people fell for it I guess Well, because he had a black wife. Right? See him and my I'm gonna say are we going in today? We're wife in quotes okay yeah him and Martin Luther King wanted white women let's just keep it 100 but they knew It will make me ineffective when I go talk to the Negroes if I got a white woman on my arm that's why they marry black truth be told

1:08:15 Yeah, makes sense. Yeah because you can't come down here talking to us with her on your arm that's gonna set off alarms no we need we need you to fit the whole part so that's what we got the swag you like to shoot basketball yeah you like rap music you got a black wife I mean a black black wife yeah and what i mean by that is it was a dark-skinned woman all that was strategic. Well that was product Obama Package, you know where it works man. It works and worked in the same thing just going back to 1958 or 1967 What was it used for? To usher in same-sex privileges Exactly same thing but the problem is he his swag ran out on him The pump yours and the cut the carrots turn to a pumpkin on them That was the problem when you can't fake this in the same thing with Drake You can only fake it for so long

1:09:14 Once we sniff you out, you out. It's like being outed and that is the best analogy I can give you. Oh something ain't right! That's fishy So is Kendrick Lamar what he's doing? Is that not just then a continuation of what Kanye was doing as far as calling out the industry Yes but what Kendrick Lamar is doing He's calling it out And like I said, I'm not...I gotta say this up front. I am a Kendrick Lamar fan and I think Kendrick Lamar is the best rapper ever! Gotta say that upfront but Imma say this as well. Kendrick Lamar isn't a benevolent figure because of Kendrick Lamar wants to be the best rapper ever and the only person standing in his way is Drake. Really? Yes

1:10:09 And why is Drake standing in his way? Because Drake got all the records. He got all of Michael Jackson's records, not record I'm just talking about like the number one albums that number success and you know just the market success So only thing standing in his way to be the best all time is you gotta beat beat the king to be the King. So that's, you know, it's kind of like with a wire with Marla Marlowe, you know, that's who kid Lamar got about yeah, he don't care about the money and all that He wants to be known as the best rapper ever and the best way to do there is they get Drake out the way now There are some other stuff too But I'm not gonna get into the allegations or whatever else

1:10:54 You know saying but that on a surface hip-hop level That's the point get drake out the way if I get him out the way then i'll be number one And i'll have a long reign because there's nobody else really in the conversation But it would except j cole who is another biracial? Uh, and and drake and kendall demar all right So, but now you see why. Hopefully people are understanding that beef better by what I'm doing here explaining why color and biracial is the same thing. Drake looking at Drake like oh, you massive son.

1:11:37 Yeah, that's what they look at. Oh yeah you go back to the house and he gives you good clothes and all this stuff. So that means we have learned nothing because that approach has not worked for 70 80 100 years? It worked perfectly because it went over 70 or 80! The goal is not to completely subjugate or get rid of them because JFK Jr. told them they could kill us all if they wanted to, they got the technology yeah what they want to do is just make sure this system keeps going for 70 80 years I mean what Lamar is doing? What? He's basically taking the same tactic that has always been taken. What beating up the house slaves? Yeah! Well well I mean where else you gonna do

1:12:28 I don't know, but that's all the person allowed to be though you see what in this system. You can beat on him Yeah, as long as you and get in my face. Yeah kitchen tomorrow No That's why he has the paint Drake is white And as you said Jewish people do identify as white But that's why they had to identify them as white because they know if they get into the Jewish man fate They'll shut you down. Yeah, you won't put out another album Because they're allowed to run the record. It's very convoluted, and there is another thing... Also, and this is what nobody really talking about They are making a case for AR music because I don't know if you noticed or not Drake in one of his songs he used 2Pac voice Yeah yeah now I heard about that So he just basically validated

1:13:25 AI music and one of the beef beef beats that's used against Drake called BB or Drizzy is a soul song Made by AI that was sampled. So now we don't have to sample old people catalogs no more You just you just make something new That sounds like right and then sample it which I've done that you're like, and it's pretty much It's pretty impressive Right, right. Okay so you make an AI song then you sample something that sounds like some artist but then you sample that and then your royalty free? Right because you say make a song it sound like the Supremes right and you can even tell it what you want to say all right and then you can sample that yeah and then you make it and you don't have to pay the Supremes

1:14:19 Which all they're doing is validating AI music. They just, this has been a whole validation process of AI music. That's the biggest winner out of all of this I would say legalization not validation but legalization The reason why i'm saying validation is nobody cringed when they did it Nobody, you know what I'm saying? No rivalries and just rejected it. Like no you can't do that like oh that's great! You know well the Tupac sample was a problem so that had to stop but then the other stuff was not right just said just a normalization of it So let's get back there on a second point What happens here this is catch people back up because we talked a little bit between the clips

1:15:08 Sally Hemmings came in she's letting her sister try on her French clothing Yeah that Tom bought her and her mother walks in like a new fine things Get you caught up, and she was saying. She's basically a mom you're saying You know you did it? You did it too so that's where we're at right now I made a choice mama the same choice you made with master Wales I didn't have no choice. You're a damn fool, Sally! Well my mother was brought over here from Africa Old Captain Hummings He took her She had me Then he turned around and he sold us to Master Wales Master Wales started in with me...I had the six of you He turned around And we ended up here That's the way it is with us, Sally

1:16:23 Mom and I always thought we were protected. Now you got this baby coming from that town, you listen to me, you get that freedom for your baby in right? And then you get it now while you still go with Mr Tom wants. Yeah, I remember that. I think I think I watched that if I recall

1:17:06 Obviously she didn't get what she was supposed to get from Tom. No, because her grandson had to escape the Cincinnati that we just heard from in the previous clips as a slave he had escaped so they go and like it's just it just continues on and like I said hurt her mom didn't get her freedom And this goes on and on no and what this first block of the show has discussed The relationship interracial quote unquote non white woman and a white man. That's the different phenomenon when we get to the black man and the white woman, they're not the same. And that's what even causes more confusion because it's not seen this thing then you'll see the tone later but why is that? Why do you think that is okay from the White supremacy standpoint The Black male as a super spreader

1:18:12 A black woman can only have one white mixed baby at a time. A black man can make a whole lot of mixed kids and cause a whole lot of damage this is why they used to castrate black men back then, and if you ever... what put this in perspective for me When I'm in my younger years, I did some indoor gardening. You fill in the blanks and what you had to do is... What you had to do is... Horticulture. Yeah, horticulture yeah! What she had to do if you had a male plant You had to get it out of there ASAP. Oh yeah, oh yeah! I'm familiar with some of the horticulture yes Right because what happens is one male plant can mess up the whole operation and that put into perspective for me like oooohhhhhh This is why And that answers your question on why male and female... Well and we've solved that now with baby mama culture and Planned Parenthood

1:19:13 Yes, you go ahead. Go ahead do whatever you got to do but we'll take care of it But that didn't solve the problem of the male spreading his seed far and wide That's why the black male is seen the way he seen as a huge problem As they quote unquote super spreader yes Because you can use and there's many as you can impregnate You could go wow one person one And that's why I did the horticulture analogy. Because one plant can ruin, you know what i'm saying? 100 female plants if it's not your goal, you know? So that's how they looked at it. So I got one last clip before we go into break and this kind of illustrates what Diane Carroll who was played by Diane Carroll but Sally Hemings' mother were saying how this kind of thing kicked off when black women first interacted with the slave master and this is...I don't know what movie this from It's somewhat like found a clip on YouTube

1:20:17 Please please if you recognize this clip, please send me an email or whatever contact me. But this is um The the tragic mulatto, but you don't owe them anything You don't mean anything to them? They're just using you Don't think I know what did it want you to get while you up here my gun What do they wanted to kill me This is only your second trip, Aishi. It's my twelfth! I know what goes on down there in the hold without asking anybody...I know they plan, they plot. I never carried a boatload that didn't. They always try to revolt and they always fail

1:21:03 I do the same thing in their place But I'm not in that place Neither are you but I'm a part of them makes no difference What people want it matters and you and I we want the same thing those people out there. They would die for their tribe We don't want to die for anything we Want to live For ourselves. Maybe it's not very great or noble, but that's the way we are both of us What makes you so sure I'm like that? When you gave yourself to me for the first time for a few trinkets You sold them all out and became... what do the slaves call it white man's trash? You'll stay! I know you will

1:22:05 And just to go back to the Drake situation, that is one of the things Drake appears to be doing. Is to have his way with black women and in that sexual aspect of it if you notice like him and Sexy Red together. It's like you know you like, you like the further, like you're saying the stereotypes. The only way you deal with black women is the further stereotype You know, and that's one of the knots against him. But I just wanted to lay it out there that's the first block That's the interracial

1:22:43 non-white woman and a white man. I'm already exhausted, Moe! I'm exhausted already from this show. By the way figured out how i knew about that movie Diane Carroll movie yeah this is weird you know I'll be 60 in September so for some reason Weird things come back to me now from here for my life might several stages I was up for a role in A television show with her Okay, like I don't think it must have been around that time or maybe was that was being made It was from that was from 2000 you said yes And and so I remember watching that to get an idea of the kind of work She would now of course that never panned out but I ran. I was supposed to be like a love interest or something Yeah, yeah okay anyway this is kind of irrelevant But I've just right how why I know I've seen this I've seen this thing

1:30:33 This wasn't interracial marriage, but this also shows from the non-white man and the white woman how legislation was created and used. And this is part of salt for a black boxer Jack Johnson loved the limelight and the controversy which surrounded him. He was born in 1878, a black man living in a country ruled by white people. In 1908, Johnson became the first African-American to win the World Heavyweight Boxing Crown. The film of his fight against Canadian Tommy Burns was stopped before Johnson's knockout punch. Many argue it was done to shield viewers from the sight

1:31:17 beating a white man. Johnson generated just as much if not more publicity outside the boxing ring he refused to hide his relationships with white women which many found outrageous in the US at a time of widespread racial segregation it would prove to be his undoing in 1912 Chicago police arrested Johnson for violating the man's Act. The federal legislation banned the transportation of women across state borders for immoral purposes, a law intended to stop young girls from being lured into prostitution." Wow doesn't that just sound like the beef? Yeah and that's what Diddy is facing that's how they got R Kelly mm-hmm this flying girls out and it's very loose with not in those cases I mean especially R Kelly he was definitely a creep

1:32:07 Diddy is to be determined because you're innocent until proven guilty in this system. He hasn't even been charged with anything. That's what I'm saying, you're innocent until proven guilty so I can't... But this is how it works They created they used the law or created a Law of Demand Act To take Jack Johnson down now could it be because of he was bad for business, you know what I'm saying? Knocking a white man out on camera. Yeah or being with white women but just going to show you when the system starts to come after you justice is this form of justice ain't really justice now like i said i don't know what the details were in his case but definitely

1:33:08 They took him down. Yeah, they took him down and they ruined his career actually but I mean you said it and I wanted to see if he caught on with yeah this is how easy it is we got a flight log Hello and it's crazy like We're holding it back. We're holding it back just until we need it Yeah, we got man act we got a man act on the books And we got a flight log that was still waiting on who names was on it well somehow? We can't get these people arrested but if you know whoever We want to take down if you flew somebody out and offer to pay the money. And that's the thing they are using against Diddy, they've been hyping it up just saying just go there for a minute of sex worker sex worker. They kept using this term because then you come into illegality right? Right and that definitions for ill moral means but what did he do?

1:34:06 Living beyond his britches? What did he do to be... Well, sometimes you just live past your youthfulness. You know what I'm saying like we no longer any good to us We need to take attention elsewhere and you gotta ask yourself What's going on while we're talking about this the same thing with his beef what's going on? Why? While this distraction is going on well Taylor Swift and the other witches of Hollywood are Corrupting our children. Yeah, that that was my guess I'm just saying like that's the whole thing like it's always you know what is going on with the other hand when we're doing these magic tricks and It like says to be they've said TBD with Diddy

1:34:56 But it's still hanging out there and that's the problem with Drake because now they're calling him a P. Drizzy, you know what I'm saying? Like so yeah. So they lumping them all together and we're going to show you later that he thinks he has privilege but privilege ain't the same thing as being a Supreme and he's gonna find it out sooner or later if they want that to happen. Let's go ahead get this second part of of the Jack Johnson clip. But federal agents were determined to use it against Johnson in a prosecution many saw as punishment for high-profile black man having a relationship with white woman. Bell Schreiber testified against him, a white prostitute who had also been Johnson's girlfriend on and off for four years

1:35:57 Johnson pleaded not guilty but was convicted and sentenced to one year and one day in prison. After his release, Johnson tried to renew his boxing career but never regained his title nor his fearsome reputation He died in a car crash in 1946 at the age of 68 We need to erase this act of racism that sent an American citizen to prison on a trumped up charge. McCain was behind similar unsuccessful attempts to pass legislation on a pardon for Johnson in 2004 and 2008. McCain's renewed push this year could see Johnson pardoned by Barack Obama, the man who defeated McCain in last year's general election and became the first black president of the United States Did he? I think it was actually Trump!

1:36:46 that part in Jack Johnson. Can you fact check me? I think it was Trump! That's a good point. I believe if i'm about 95% sure, it was Jack Johnson because he made a big deal out of it let me see yes Yes 2018 yes huh no so even Obama couldn't No he couldn't do that and it seems bipartisan because you had John McCain and his clip pushing for it Why didn't Obama pull the trigger on it? It's amazing how men in America, in any position...it's always the sex. We got Trump in court right now! Right. It's always that. Not about were you a good leader or were you a good boxer or hip hopper No, it always comes down to look what you did there

1:37:46 I think because you can define it any way you want to, ill moral means is like that's kind of a vague term. And some of those, I don't wanna say strange unorthodox sex practices that are deemed acceptable now. I mean, you got the dog thing going not the actual dog but it was the guy who was over in nuclear, he was over in nuclear, the bald headed guy that dressed like a woman. Oh yeah! With the dog collar? Yeah with the whole thing, you got furries and all kinds which if its legal

1:38:27 Do your thing. I'm not a player hater, you know what i'm saying? But that could be put out in public and forced on you to accept but if it's something as far as like you said with Trump paying somebody not to whatever...I don't know what they- I really didn't get caught up in that whole Stormy Daniels thing. I think he paid her or something Like, what are we doing here? We got TikTok. We got uh not TikTok excuse me OnlyFans! You know what I'm saying like... I want to say something else during Jack Johnson's time there was a thing called white slavery where white women were being used for prostitution at a super high rate. We're at that point again with Tiktok and And OnlyFans yes

1:39:22 So yeah, so don't be surprised if you see a lot of human trafficking talk kicked up I'm gonna skip 20 and 21 could we taught what? I want to talk about there We talked about early in the show. Okay, just be beating a dead horse All right The point I'm making is Andrew Tate Yeah another biracial man Who was given white privilege. He was given the white privilege of being racially ambiguous You know top G this guy he's a kickboxer that's what I mean like it had that Jack Johnson

1:39:58 Kind of parallel going there. He's accused of using the loverboy method now This is a him and Pierce Morgan Going back and forth about what the lover boy method is he deployed the lover boy method where you would make women fall in Love with you, you would then persuade them to do Webcam webcam stuff right tick-tock okay, but wait it's called it webcam stuff right no It's not call it that the indictment is about tick-tock What would you make the women do?

1:40:44 and do TikTok, but he isn't being horrible to them. He's not hitting them. He's not being mean to them so what can we do? Let's use the loverboy method! If I was abusive and mean they wouldn't say lover boy method you know what a loverboy method means? Being nice!" I didn't realize that his dad was an international chess master. And for work for the CIA allegedly Oh makes nothing but sense yeah Which him him and Drake once again while I'm covering this him and Dre have a lot of parallels. I see that now I mean, uh, I think Drake album was called sub up certified lover boy If I'm not one in his song or album you see what's going on here? Yeah And the lover boy method on its face is

1:41:34 If you want to say, okay somebody manipulated somebody to do something. if we're talking underage yes I mean of course if we talk about age or any method it should be a crime and you saying it should get your never mind. But I don't think that was any of the allegations about underage. No! The lover boy method is the end around for consent like yeah she gave consent but it was under A spell of niceness. Well, to be frank she was getting... She was digmatized that's what it means let's just put this is called a spade-a-spade That's no honestly that's what she was hypnotize by his sex and there's the nice way to put it lover boy method but that's a very slippery slope

1:42:28 of when you get somebody to do something or, you know whatever. You know like being on TikTok was that a crime? No because we see it should be some of that stuff should be a crime but I mean from my standards and me having daughters yeah but if it's not a crime and she gave consent allowing the person to come back later and say yeah I gave consent But it was under... I don't know, I was hypnotized? I mean that- come on Moe. This the whole thing is stupid We got drag queens going in having children stick dollar bills in their panties That's the confusing part In grade school and libraries Come on! It's like what are we talking about? That's meant to keep you off kilter but this lover boy method is um

1:43:27 I would say it's basically what they accused Jack Johnson of pretty much. It was consent, but it's like the 2.0 with the Mann Act. Yeah if you just took cross borders, we should be kidnapping to be honest with you. If he took her against a will that should be kidnapping now and don't need another law for it but this is if you gave consent Then we can go back and him you are and let me make it clear. I am no Andrew Tate fan or defense lawyer, but I see this setup when you create these loopholes, you know of lover boy method

1:44:15 If that's the case, then Thomas Jefferson was using the lover boy method. Because you said Sally Hemings gave consent. Elon Musk uses the lover boy method. Well... Let's listen to 23 and then we can go on, uh... We'll pick up 24 quickly after that. Being nice! He was nice and polite and kind And they really liked him as a person And he told them how to do TikTok That's not what the Loverboy- He is a loverboy Of course it is Andrew that's not what the Loverboy Method is Absolutely it is The Loverboy Method is where perpetrators woo victims with the prospect of a loving relationship Until they can be forced into abusive situations or reform of slavery This is garbage That's actually what it means

1:44:57 method is being nice to people so that you work together effectively what they're trying to say here. I was nice to girls who asked me for tick-tock advice and they sang us a lover boy method, I didn't beat them into doing tick-tock. I didn't force him. I didn't threaten him in fact those if yeah, you're very pretty you can be pretty famous any element of coercion how can there be an L? What does that even mean let's be professionals here what is it even do you think coercion means I was coerced into this interview You came along to me and said-. You weren't coerced into this interview! Yes, I was! Well don't tell me the bullying MSM said Andrew you've got to do an interview? No! And I'm going to fly all the way to Romania to do it?! No no! You didn't use that method! You used a lover boy method! You said sir... A lover boy method!? Yeah! Ha ha ha yeah good point If you.. because that definition you wooed her then forced her at the point where force happens we got crime in the books That's a crime right

1:45:50 You don't need the wooed part to it, because that's a very slippery slope. That's kind of like when they had those rape laws and I'm sure you two are going to kill me for that one but we don't do grape around here. But you had that law on the book to say after the fact you could rescind consent? That's a very, because I got sons. You know what i'm saying? Like that's a very dangerous and that's what my mom told me you're saying why not to mix interracially especially can you not say rape on youtube anymore No! You had to say grape and you had to say pdf file

1:46:28 PDF file yes, oh For pdf file yeah. Yeah, I got it. Yes. I'm just giving people that We don't do that you say but I'll give you the best a lingo. You're saying of if we want to if you wanna be on YouTube yeah Well, if you want to be on YouTube and be monetized. I mean if you're not monetized then they don't mess with you or whatever. They'll just steal your money. No, they're stealing your money no matter what! But yeah that these laws are written because of

1:47:10 Black men, I'm just gonna keep it. I'm just gonna keep in a hundred with you. I can't I'll be lying to myself Which that's disrespecting myself if I didn't see any other way the same thing with Jack Johnson The same thing with the man at we should have everybody on Epstein's flight log hit with the man act Because exactly what they were doing. But they won't do that. Epstein of course did get hit with the Mann Act I'm talking about everybody was on that plane with him because that's what you were flying and saying, i'm sure there was women on the plane with them yeah so let's go ahead and do that but let's go to show you when I was listening this I was like hold on didn't Pierce Morgan do my method?

1:47:57 Yeah, I guess so. 24! There we go The genesis of my relationship with Meghan Markle was...I started following a bunch of stars from Suits on Twitter and she was one of them because I loved Suits And I followed about four of them and the moment I follow Meghan Markle I get a direct message from her saying oh my god i'm such a big fan you know blah, blah, blah. I was like okay very nice start to correspond with her we get on very well we're talking about suits plotline she starts giving me a few juicy bones of plot lines to come and then Megan says i'm coming to London to watch do a few meetings but to watch Serena Williams her great friend play at Wimbledon in the tennis tournament Do you want to meet up? And I was like yes! I would love to meet up why don't you come to my local pub

1:48:41 the Scarsdale Tavern in Kensington. Who would know what a fateful night that was because she went from me here to her first proper date with Prince Harry? Okay, how do you know that? I know that because she spent three or four more days in England and had two nights with Harry and three-four months later it all came out Harry dating actress and I went which address whoa whoa what? And then it said they befriended each other in the last week of June When she was here to see her friend Serena Williams playing tennis. I was like, yes And then he went they went out on like a Thursday night or whatever It was two five half a street are when yes, I know that because I put her in an uber from this pub To 5 Harford Street

1:49:33 Well done Pierce. Yeah, yeah. So Pierce was... He flew her out. Yeah trying to woo her and helping him for financial gain But we got to be careful with that, Pierce. You know what I'm saying? Because that's a slippery slope and it could be easily turned back around on you. And once again, I have to say this. I have daughters if you're a creep, you need to be locked up. Need to be locked up for a very long time but also have a son and if like... We gotta be careful with these laws in their interpretations of them. Laws should be very clear and concise and not have these gray areas in them

1:50:15 that could be used and weaponized against people. And laws should be leveraged the same way. Yeah, well unfortunately our Justice Department has wide interpretation of all laws at this moment so no one is safe No one is safe Now we have to go to Mr OJ Simpson Ah! Yes and I'm sure people are already up on the edge of their seat OJ Simpson now I want people think about something for a minute First of all, I think OJ didn't do it. Because if OJ did do it they would have had a documentary out right now laying out even afterwards because they locked him up. They could do whatever he want to we're saying they show you that even when he beat the first case they locked him up for stealing his own stuff. Right? They will have because remember they did that Michael Jackson. He beat the case but they put that documentary out

1:51:20 This is how we did it kind of thing and Oprah played a role in it. Mm-hmm I think if OJ would have done it they would have had a very clear point by point documentary or movie that laid out Specifically like how he did it? I don't think he did it. I mean, I've always thought he was covering up for his son Right Could be involved could it be the debt he owed are they old or whoever I don't know But you know what I'm saying? I don't think he did it. And with that said, I'll have to say this OJ Simpson proves America is not over a black man being with a white woman because if Nicole Brown Simpson had been black- It wouldn't have been such a big deal Exactly The reason why it was such a big deal for two reasons He

1:52:20 allegedly and was accused of murdering a blind hair, this matters. A blind haired beautiful white woman and if you don't think that matters go look and see which kidnap cases they report in which ones they don't report on the news so that was a problem in itself too he also was accused and allegedly murdering a Jewish man yes Nobody talks about that part. Very little, yeah. This is why the media was on his head in the way they were. Yeah I want people to pay attention to that so That's why to this day and not like when i was working on this case OJ Simpson passed away. I said imma see what their reaction is Two things I noticed one That racism? That animosity boiled up like it happened yesterday

1:53:28 And from weird places, I'm talking about from hip-hop and or saying hip hop media like the same papers that write about King von killing other black man is he a serial killer? It's like nobody care. It's like that gonna show you it's not the killing That's the problem well what I noticed When when OJ passed is that people and it was kind of ancillary, I wasn't really very focused on it So just the stuff to bubbled up enough for me to notice was the jurors and interviewing the jurors. Oh yeah, no we were gonna let him walk didn't matter if he did it we're going to let him walk that was kind of a narrative that was coming out of mainstream news on that. The second thing I noticed 95-96 when it happened he got beat the case He didn't do it up until he passed away The sentiment among black people is he did but he got away

1:54:33 All of a sudden when that racism came out, when he passed away now all of the sudden this is why I said it's reactive. It was counterculture. It was like nah he didn't do it again. I'm like hold on y'all were the same ones saying he did do it but got away with it and now he didn't do it again See how reactive to race this whole thing is? For such a time as this. Right, and that's... I don't know if people would not say it on the Orange People episode They're manufacturing racism. And tension. Racial tension.

1:55:11 They have to keep it going. They had to find every little... I think this is why Elon is letting X go the way it is, because X is nothing but a racism machine. Thank you! That's what I keep saying people like oh he's so great He's the best. I'm like no No It's not good. I wouldn't say he's great or he's the best But he's necessary cuz guess what? He's letting all this sentiment This underlying I'll open the open. Mm-hmm let it all out Let it all be if you don't like a person go for it You know, don't don't hide it, you know Don't but what's happening is? I'm seeing old stories like OJ Simpson Be rehashed It's like that was something to discuss five years ago these old videos going both ways and

1:56:04 And it's just race, you're saying people of different races trying to one up each other. Now let's go back to OJ Simpson because I want to go into this clip and this was released after he passed. This is what you were alluding to about the jurors racial tensions exploited Now to another trial, this one the trial of the century back in the headlines tonight. New revelations about OJ's dream team of lawyers and how they worked the prosecutors and jury to their advantage. And then there was that glove it is all in a new documentary on ABC's Juju Chang is on this case that still grips the country

1:56:42 The trial of the century, like you've never seen it before. From the infamous chase to the bloody glove that was never supposed to be tried on I didn't want to do it. I mean, I knew it was a mistake. I said that the latex is going to screw up the fit they shrunk and the rest is history. If it doesn't fit You must acquit. And a closer look at the jury who found the football superhero not guilty of killing his ex-wife, the LA County DA breaking his silence after 21 years My belief is they already had their minds made up before they went in and began deliberations Yeah yeah that's that's the stuff that I saw

1:57:21 And the thing I said about OJ, one more thing I'll say about him is the other thing that pissed off, pissed them off about OJ is that even when they locked him up the second time. When they locked him up for stealing his own stuff he didn't show on that they got to him. That's one thing about this system if you holler and scream and cry, okay we're happy now But he went in, took his time came out and act like nothing happened. Yeah he- and they threw the book at him too I mean... Like nine years or something? They gave him 33! Hello?! He did not on a 33 which my only point is this and this is why can't understand Is that if you want to look at murderers

1:58:23 Barack Obama's far bigger murderer than OJ Simpson. The drone president? You see what I'm saying, Mike? If you just want to say okay this new same race and who the bigger murderer but oh you drop bombs out the sky on brown people that's okay or we celebrate black men killing other black men will give your record deal that's fine yeah That go to show you is not about who the killing is about who you killed and that was OJ's biggest sin And like I said, I don't think he did it if we did do. He's dead now Uh, he did nine um It is what it is but my issue is like is the point of We can't pretend like this Sentiment doesn't happen and it's not there

1:59:15 It's there, folks. We're definitely pretending it doesn't exist and we're definitely pretending that this no longer is a thing And it's not a recognition of what it is People think that oh they are just racists in the world They don't quite understand what's going on It's an operating system you have to download it You know what I'm saying? It's not out there! It's in you If you let it...you know..and that's the thing like I have to be honest with myself. I had to be honest with people I talked to now sometimes you had to be more direct because the more confusing is, you know saying the more direct you have to be it's kind of like throwing cold water on people It's like oh my your cat is a like your out of your mind and like right now Let me like well, but it but it's hard for people when you talk about them And we've employed people to go back and listen to some of these earlier episodes when we talk about white supremacy

2:00:13 It's not about skin color. You know what they hear? They hear white is the system, the system first of all of white supremacy. They go right to white as you said and I'm concerned with this system of supremacy. I don't care what color it is or who's doing it could be this supremacy a blue eyed people are green eyed people or one legged people or you know saying humpbacks if your We'll then have a system designed to oppress and mistreat people. We need to get rid of that or if you're doing it just lean into it Please be honest about it That's what that's my point we can't get anywhere unless your honest about like if you said, you know What mo I think OJ did it? Yes, guess what you believe and this is what this show was built around I can't be offended and getting my emotion about what you believe

2:01:10 And I appreciate that you're honest with me. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's all we have to do." Okay, you believe this and I believe this. It's okay the world ain't gonna come to an end Yeah but social media doesn't let the conversation actually stop there because everyone is so safe We are so safe! So safe right now... And people are frauds! There is that Big time People are broken brother That's what I am seeing Broken people Break people So, we talked about the OJ thing. Well it's a little bit funny about the lawyers and how they did this clip. Let's just listen to the second clip. We don't have to talk about it but this is lawyer-ish for you. New details on their field trip to OJ's home where the majority African American jury thought they got a glimpse of his life What we did that day has created an illusion

2:02:05 We took all of his white friends down, put all of his black people up. Pictures he probably had never seen before." If we had a Latin jury, we would have had a picture in this umbrella! There would've been a mariachi band out front!" We would have had a pinata at the upper staircase. That whitewashing of OJ's now demolished estate here on Rockingham symbolizes the racially polarizing defense strategy, exploiting decades of racial tensions with the LAPD to win that not guilty verdict. Cecilia? Juju thank you and OJ Simpson Made in America premieres tonight at 9 Eastern on ABC Yeah I... It was so fun. I gotta tell your story

2:02:52 A friend of mine has a legal case and it's, he is being railroaded and he is a doctor. And I think he is going to be okay but its just like you know... He is an orange person so that why justice is all over him then but I think justice will prevail but it's a medical case And so I've been asked to be a potential character witness, which yeah. I'm happy to do this and So I sit with the lawyers and I talk about an episode and he's a doctor where we had a restaurant? And you know it's a character witness right and there was a child who no one noticed his child was choking He springs into action save this kid life right there in front of my eyes You know like

2:03:43 seven, eight year old girl. And so I tell the story to the lawyers but they...I realized pretty quickly they've already heard this story maybe from somebody else and then the lawyer says that talking amongst each other do you think it would make a difference if he said that it was a black girl? And I'm like there you go man here this is exactly how it rolls in justice in America. Yeah because we got to make him not look orange! That's right, that's right It's like holy moly Yeah, I felt pretty creepy when they said that but yes The legal system yeah legal system. So now we got to get a little nilly in the show Of course flowers for fuller. Yeah This he explained why it went from the Jack Johnson

2:04:35 Destroy a black man if it were with a white woman to where we're at today in these next two clips. This is 27 Oh, it may not be dangerous and this day and time depends on where you are In fact the whites of premises at one time would hang up like person shoot him run him down I mean and kill him or string them up through a tree just for thinking about oh looking at a white woman. Now, like Elijah Muhammad said I mean i'll mention one name he said because I heard him say this many years ago say now they will lynch you for not being with them, chasing a white woman and whatnot. What's that all about? Why this sudden change?" And I came to the conclusion it's a part of the new white supremacist refined stage of racism. Ah! We have an upgrade—an upgrade in the software You have to you have to like I said when that television came That changed a lot of stuff

2:05:36 Now just like when the smartphone came and social media came every time technology Upgrades the system has to get an upgrade because like we can't do bit wet Well, for example with uh, Rodney King is that we got camp corners out here now You know you can't can't do what you used to do cuz somebody might be recording. Oh Yeah, so every time you get an upgrade to the system. I mean upgraded technology You have to upgrade the system to become more refined and one other thing that I want to talk about about racial confusion Because I didn't want to make this silly about the Kendra Lamar theme because it's not I wanted to talk about this interracial dating with athletes black athletes Mm-hmm. I am a firm believer This is a genetic How'd I put it on X?

2:06:29 It's a genetic harvesting operation. I saw that, I saw that tweet yes! I'm a firm believer of that you take the we know we've talked about with the academic you know find the smartest ones to talent 10th you know get them put them on a fast track and become leaders And then send them off to white schools, quote unquote white schools. Ivy League that kind of thing same thing with the athletes. Let's get them this far. That's why I think that's the whole point of sports is find the ones who can run the fastest jump the highest

2:07:13 Once they become 16, 17 years old. They go off to prep schools which is once I just want some other options once you become further and further up the ladder your options get fewer and fewer now you're going on you gonna have to find a saying like as a young man you will find a woman but now your options like maybe black women's like one out of 10 1 out of 20 The likelihood is you're going to what? You're gonna take, you know, we'll go at odds. And it's set up this way. What does that do now? Now you have for instance Patrick Mahomes let's just go there for a minute his dad married a white woman had Patrick Mahomes he's biracial Patrick Mahomes married a white woman Oh so what your saying is were breeding the next generation of top athletes

2:08:09 Yeah, but you're harvesting the DNA. Yes and then when you look around all the passionate homes dad's great-great grandkids is gonna be our great-great grandkids are gonna be white but they had that so it was nice saying that superior athletic genetics Yeah, I like it. It's great and that's what D1 sports is all about because they scout and scour the whole United States and the globe They go around to go there bring no talent people here even Africa Even Africa get some big freaks out of Africa right but you don't see that

2:08:51 go the other way. You see what I'm saying? Like, quarterbacks or whatever they have women that look like them but yeah and this is what they do. They isolate you in these predominant... Because I went to a predominantly white college for a year and I was fish out of water! I only went to school four days a week it was so strange to me because it was maybe 3% Black at best and all the most of those were athletes. So they had their own little culture, you know what I'm saying? Their own little group. This is like hold on who do I hang out with because y'all doing two a days or whatever you're saying during your sports activities

2:09:37 But I went there because where my parents went to school, you know what I'm saying? Because they actually went back to school in the 30s. And that was the only campus that had apartments where you could bring your kids with them. Right yes, yeah remember you're telling me that Yeah so that was the reason why they went there but yeah So I went there and I tried to keep the family tradition Like I can't do this! Cause culturally I was just out of place Outta place Yeah, so I'm just telling you that's how it works and then you say these young men are gonna do what young men do and get with what's available. But it's a strategy one you harvest in the DNA and the genetic but he also taking the money yeah I'll give you 250 million dollars because we're gonna get it right back

2:10:34 that lightly melanated people up there at best. Well, now you know that I still think that these kids are Stevie Wonder and Scottie Pippen's kids. I don't think they're Obama's kids but that's my... Of course! But they still gonna have to marry white. That's my opinion. Yeah but they can still have the marry white is what i'm saying or sent to be and it's not they have to when you go to school

2:11:15 And I'm speaking from my standpoint, like with my kids. If we live you know... if I didn't tell my kids the importance of who they are and they shouldn't feel ashamed of it and they should love themselves it might go another way. You feel what I'm saying? Of course! Of course. And I get backlash like I said, no you can't tell your kids why can't I tell my kids that Like everybody else does it. I'm sure Indians tell their kids that, Asians tell their kids that. We know this for a fact! Hispanic people tell their kid like all of a sudden, nah can't say that. You know that's hateful. No its not hateful, I love myself look at me you know what im saying? Do you know what the first interracial kiss was on television? What was that? I do not. Star Trek

2:12:13 And who was it? It was Captain Kirk, William Shatner with Lieutenant Uhura. Right! 1968 Intergalactic That's right intergalactic kiss that's right and you know what also did the Avatar Yes, yeah. Although I never saw it we've talked about it Yeah avatar he got into the blue man in the suit The Blue People yes, yeah and did internally but yeah That's that's the thing and we just got like say we have to be honest about it because honestly And I'm gonna just not get to the point where I'm trying to stay here We should if you choose to have biracial children Understand that this system don't care

2:13:02 about their feelings and they're going to be confused because the system is created on a color-based system. And I had a word for it, it was monochromatic... What was it? It's like monochromatic archery. It's like basically, it's like a color minarchy. A single color minarchy is what we're in by the rule system that's all this. And if you understand that your kids You have to take care because they're not going to be accepted in certain circles. And this is why we had these kids on college campuses now, because what ends up happening is they grow up in bubbles where people don't see color as they shouldn't I mean that's the right thing do you shouldn't see color?

2:13:56 And then they get to college and then they have that first experience where they're treated black. Now what do you think about the trend in colleges where there's black only commencements, ceremonies? Black only dormitories I'll say this if you want that go to HBCU Yeah How are you gonna go somewhere and say, I'm at a predominantly white school but I wanna have an all black graduation? Then go to HBCU. You can't impose your will on other people because that's... Do you know why I say that? Because I'm fair. That's like white people going to a HBCU and saying they want to have all-white commencement. Yeah, that would fly

2:14:45 You see how fair works? It goes both ways. No, that would not be accepted at all! Why did you come here?" But you know what people are like well I get a better education in Ivy. How? Not so sure about that Don't you get the same internet and the same books That's see that's the best. That's that downward thinking of all I can't get a kind of education over there if you want to be educated You can get education wherever you want to but like I said, I don't wanna be able to labor the point But my whole point of the all of this is I feel for Drake. I honestly do I Sincerely feel for him it's not a fakeness because

2:15:30 That would be the most confusing thing for me because I experienced that with two black parents. Yeah, we're one side of family. You say like oh you're like your other side of family? No, and then you go over there like no are you like your other side of family Wow yeah cuz they were culturally you know saying a little bit different one side to families a little bit more country We never saw in the other fresh prince. We never saw that that argument was that I'm fresh Prince of Bel-Air What argument? Yeah, about your side of the family my side of the family. Didn't they switch out moms at a certain point I got a light-skinned mom yeah you didn't see it there but good case though was like Martin because Martin Tisha Campbell That's true that's true yes so you have that i'm just saying like with not

2:16:20 The system's not fair. But thinking that you're going to impose your will on the system, saying like that's not fair to kids and I honestly believe let the kids choose. Making them black? That's not fair to them making them black. How do you do that? Like I said, I feel empathy for biracial people because There's a lot of biracial people do a lot of great things for black people.

2:16:56 But if they you know, if they choose to go white then all your trying to be white. It's like hold on I'm half-white What do you want me to do? You say like yeah Well there's a lot to feel for Drake about I mean Canadian and he's all these Not even like white white mr.. Other things like so Yeah, I kid Canadians my kids So I was gonna go past the nilly fuller thing Neely Fuller talks more about how the system works. Dr. Frances Criss-Wilson, which she was his counterpart and really the inspiration for him to write the book I mean he had a bunch of manuscripts but she was like you need to write a book You need to write a book. You need to write a book. That goes to show that man and woman they need each other. That unit is needed those two forces are needed together

2:17:54 She spoke more about how the system worked and why it was the way it was. And here she's speaking on interracial marriage in relationships. If white women have been forbidden to black men by oppression, if the black man has access to the white woman that will make him feel more psychologically free. It will fool them more! Let's say for example... He said psychologically free. He didn't say functionally free It's a fantasy and then it is psychosis. In other words, if you are operating just like they tell us in psychiatry If you are functioning on something that is not reality then you've had it But this is something the white supremacy system understands They understand when we programmed

2:18:42 These victims, to feel that if they get a white woman they will have it. Like a black cat told me who was graduating from graduate school at Harvard. That marrying a white woman was part of the Harvard degree, in other words I'm really in. Do you see what I am saying? Part of just sending her up within the system. Now this system has programmed us to think that just like it programs black women and says alright if you have a white man that means you are really in nonsense do you see what I am saying because white supremacy is going on and white supremacy will go on and victimize your children and your offsprings is irrespective of what you were doing in your bedroom activity. And the white supremacy system further would like the non-white, and the black man to think that his phallus or his penis if you will is equal to a M16 rifle which hits what he maintains power with. Yeah there's a lot there but thats yeah we'll let

2:19:48 As Nellie Fleur was saying, we'll let you have one of our women because that's refined. We can't do it like we did before. You know? We got to put the winter dressing on it and as I was saying before is that there's a drain effect. You have the talent going out, you have the finance going out, you have the genetics going out and I'm a firm believer it doesn't come back It doesn't, I mean that's what we have to be honest about. It doesn't come back and that's why I have the fear of ADOPS people being bred out for lack of a better word and I would understand why the system would do that because if we talk about atonement then we can say well we don't know who we own. We really don't owe anybody. Oh yeah oh no this will just bleed all the way past reparations

2:20:44 It'll eliminate it. You said because you say one left well, hold on it will be people here and they'll be black but they won't have a claim And this is why you're bringing the non-ados black people here. It's like yeah Let them come here cuz we can't wake up and there'll be no black people here That'll be too stark. That'd be too much, but I was looking in New York and Pittsburgh they were talking about the amount of black population is dwindling like if you go to New York now You won't bump into Harley a dollars person no it's plenty of black people But they're here you know after Slavery Jim Crow so you have the appearance? Oh, you know Black people

2:21:35 Being here, but you don't have the actual Adolf people here and that's a real concern. I mean Alex said maybe Over concerned but it also lets me know. I think you're I think you're spot-on with your concern I think the issue is first this goes back to early Early Mo Fax episodes. You kind of restored the black family without that there's no hope Correct, and that's the best what this is the whole system. They don't they don't want to Don't have that there they're there don't want to Have this system I mean in their family this family system They don't wanna hang out or anyone no No for anyone because The goal we were gonna get to the goal of it any but this goes like say it starts with us people This only starts with us next it'll be just

2:22:31 No, it's next is already here Moe. It's already here Next is here Dude they got us chopping off our kids body parts It's here Yeah So this is the last clip before we do another break and this is a throwback to show 88. And this is Raymond Haysbert, and he talks about the brain drain I would talk about genetic drain the black the brain drain that happens in the black community. There's a thing they're bringing up challenge Those who were able to escape the ghetto and get a good education, and immediately go to work for Boeing or IBM, Dell, whoever. That drains talent and brain power from that same market So if you look at it as a market we've got a lot of challenges

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2:28:58 Go to mofax.com, the donation page or mofundme.com directly Thank you all again for sending back value We appreciate it For Mo Facts with Adam Curry Episode number 98 And with that said, we're going to go back to a throwback clip from all the way to number nine. I've been talking about this topic since then and we've heard several throwback clips from several different shows just how concerning this is but i'll let Professor Kevin Brown give us further details. We are seeing substantial increases too in black multiracials, that is blacks with

2:29:44 a non-black parent, black white parentage, black Asian parentage. Those percentages are set to increase by 80% between 2010 and 2020 We're now seeing substantial interracial marriage among the black slash African American population in the United States So you can see here 1970 of all blacks who were married Only 1.1% were married outside of the race, that increases to 2.4% in 1980 4.1% in 1990 7% in 2000 In 2010 it increases to 9%. But let me add this is all blacks who are married

2:30:31 So younger people, the ones in the prime childbearing ages are even much more likely to marry across the race. In 2012 for example one in four black males that married 25% married outside of the race For black women it was about 9.3%. And we continue to see that black males are two to three times more likely to marry outside of the race. If these current trends continue, within a generation or two, a majority of the black population in the United States will actually be mixed-race

2:31:15 And because they're mixed race, they will more and more assert an identity that's different from that of African Americans. I should probably say at this point that this is not a phenomenon that's only in America. The country I grew up in the Netherlands which is white bread white non-immigration country The entire time I grew up that changed in the mid 90s and this is clearly part of a world government type system. They just started importing people from, brown people from all kinds mainly Muslims

2:31:59 Turkey, Morocco has been the most recent. But really it's now 50 more than the cities are more than 50 percent brown and and the whole country is becoming a mixed race country. Not the whole country? What do you mean? The top Yes, okay. Agreed yes I think about it first. That's the goal! Everybody is saying it's not in the top. You're right you're right It'll be a nice golden brown color you know what I'm saying like get rid of culture identity all that. No it's all gone and its going so fast it happened in 20 years 20 years and I was just looking at a...it was 6th May

2:32:59 2000 that Pim Fortuyn was assassinated. He was going to win the Dutch elections and his main thing was stop this immigration, he actually was more concise said stop the Islamification And he got killed for it and so it didn't stop in the whole country went into you know Just like this frozen state and they just just did it and did it and did it and did it? And it has destroyed that culture And people may think it's great or it's better or more worldly, but I look at and I think no. It's not is just...it has destroyed the...and now it's different from black American ADOS culture but the Dutch culture was a real thing you know? It's like saying here's why we're unique We're this same way This is what this beef is about Like hold on You push...you going too far

2:33:58 Because the same way I feel compassion for Drake, he said some things that were insensitive about The experience of slavery and that says to me like you don't really get it You come in identify with the worst of us But then you also mock us at the same time and that's where they'd like the people hold on now We got to stop that right here. And we're one of the last groups that that don't want to mix as far as our culture, our identity. You feel what I'm saying? But what happens is you're taking off the best and brightest... Our best and brightest

2:34:45 And you're buying it basically buying them off. That's what you doing I mean, there's no other way to put it your bike But you know what they're doing in around the globe everybody talks about the Nigerians that's right and how smart how many doctors are Why didn't Nigeria? I don't mean that disrespectfully. I'm saying like they need doctors in Nigeria Which you go in poach? Yes Talent from over there and you bring him here same thing India You're importing all the tech people from India and bringing them here. Do you know where in the early 2000s, do you know where the best doctors in the world were considered to be the best doctor? Where? Iraq Same thing! We went and blew it up brought him in

2:35:33 And they say all about this immigration. They make you seem like the people at the border coming in, that's the face of immigration like give me a porg. That's your Ellis Island kind of imagery? But no we're bringing the smartest of the smart from Afghanistan, Syria, the smart, understand they're bringing in a lot of smart people India China, the whole thing and then they're bringing Chinese across the border Yeah, yeah. Who? The ones that can do something Right So you're poaching the whole world for talent and bringing it here which that's fine I mean like if that's what you would say then don't act like this is humanitarian This ain't humanitarian It's worse They're psy-opping everybody into thinking they are going to attack our country from within

2:36:26 No, they're gonna be your fighting forces of what you are. They're soldiers and they're military-age men but who they gonna be fighting for? The same way they did with the guys at LL Island they brought in. They sent them right back to Europe to fight. The same way that he brought in other French brought into Africans and used him to fight against Germany. It's the same thing like where we... They're building up fighting forces but it ain't for what you think is gonna before no I'm a firm believer in that. And it's not just military fighting forces, it's technology fighting forces medicine fighting forces all kinds of fighting forces I agree yeah and financial fighting forces and then they'll settle and they'll make a nice brown consumer culture

2:37:17 This is the reason for the commercials you're saying you see a Arab with a Chinese and the black with a white and Hispanic with, whatever. And well, you keep going... Thank God for this podcast Moe we're gonna put a stop to it. Yeah because you know why? Because We're all different for a reason it ain't accident right we all bring something to the table and to make people Feel like they shouldn't love themselves, and then there's one beauty standard which that causes anxiety Amongst female. That's the biggest problem with females is is this one Beauty Standard you know I?

2:37:58 You know, whatever. I'm just saying like that you can't be beautiful in your skin So now your daughters have anxiety because they don't look a certain way what they look how they look No Yeah And if if they had a culture and they looked like their aunts and their mothers and their cousins They all celebrate how all day be how be all beautiful? They are with this phenotype It makes logical sense, I think. But what you get is self-hate and I'm going to go ahead and skip the 34. And this is like I said... This is the one that tipped the scale for making this show. This is The Hodge Twins. Are you familiar with The Hodge Twins? Of course! With their appearance. Yes Okay now listen to this next clip See that's why don't date black women. I shouldn't have said that

2:38:52 Man, you don't think I should have said that. It's fine. I won't date him either. If the first one was like nah nah, I gave y'all a shot, now I'm going to go do another race. I can make a black kid with a white person if I want to. Don't need your black ass to make one. Black is the dominant gene. I could get a Korean. That kids gonna come out of Negro. Yep! Don't need ya. Ah okay now these guys are clearly mixed-raced Light-skinned. Yes, they've got they've got I've got white in them. I would say quadroon Yeah, no, I mean because that's Yeah, I don't know if it's offensive or not but that's the What that means is for people who don't know you have an octoroon which the mulatto is actually The derisive term because it comes from mule That's what my lotto comes from

2:39:51 So then you had half, which is biracial. Half black half white if you have three white grandparents and one black grandparent that's quadroon If you have seven white grandparents and one black grandparent this octaroon These are the terms using these the older terms like it might be similar to oriental so I'm like you're saying might be using the wrong terminology but for the sake of Identifying them on a podcast so you can get an idea now. They'll be considered like what like high yellow I would compare the red bone yes, I would agree Yes Yeah So but now they're saying the way they look and my sound not shaming him And that clearly black I mean if you want to say use a term you're saying you can see the Negro features in a sand so you can't see that they have there not racially ambiguous

2:40:48 They say I can get with a non-black woman and make her black baby. What are we doing here? See, that's what not fair to the child to put that burden on him to have to live up to being black. You follow what I'm saying now? I'm taking it for the kids here. That's not fair because you chose to go in a direction which your family making abilities But then you want to put the black tag on the kids. Now what if you have a black daughter, but you say you don't deal with black women? See the confusion we're causing here? I gotcha

2:41:34 And I like those guys now, I can't like him anymore. You've ruined it for me." No you can like them they're just confused! See that's what I'm saying? We're not gonna do without confuse...accused of beating up the house slaves. They're just confused thats all of white supremacy is confusing. It's meant to be confusing so that, that's why I don't ever want to beat up on anybody because guess what they have the right to say what they want to say under VGQ you know what i'm saying? They have the right but But what I'm saying is that we have to correct them to say, hold on. That's not right to put that burden on your child. Obviously when they become black women now you set this standard and how

2:42:23 That's what, now you see why I'm so passionate and irked at the same time by this topic. Like how y'all gonna say you can get with a non-black woman and make her black baby? They were very specific with their terminology. And that black girl that you may have that you identified as black don't look black You're gonna look less black than you are if you get with a white woman and you're going to put the burden of being and identifying as black on them. And then they're going to have so many anxiety, you know what I'm saying? From you doing that. Hey Mo, of the 13% that has claimed to be ADOS in America

2:43:08 What percentage of that is not 100% black? Ados Black. None of us! That's right. You know what I'm saying, like... That why we consider watered down. That why people outside the United States give us such a hard time because it's like yeah you got some- if you look back far enough and then what I mean by that it might be for instance my grandmother's fair skin And colorism, like I said, colorism is a whole thing in my family. It's crazy but my grandmother is fair skinned but she married a dark-skinned man, my grandfather. Now, how'd it go? My grandfather's father, Big George he was fair skinned but he married the darkest woman he could find and made a brown... He's more of my color like a darker brown

2:44:06 So it goes back and forth, back and forth. That's what I'm saying like you look at my wife she's for you're saying like the old light skin because like we're biracial now the light-skinned has moved well we used to call her lightskin ain't light skin no more She's like a golden brown but her parents like i said are my color and darker right You know what im sayin? Like if you look at my daughter she's light like my wife is but she got four brown or darker grandparents yeah Amazing. But we know, we know each other like I'm saying when we see each other you can see like oh yeah it was a certain phenotype like you know we identify yes so we know who is us and who ain't okay A little nodded ahead okay Yeah! I gotchu Alright let's go ahead and go to number 35

2:45:04 But what about the white parent of a black child? I mean that, that white parent would have a vested interest in at least trying to deal with their racism so they will raise their children unscarred. You would think that! Now all of us know people from interracial homes. They're not all brainwashed into being white No, they can't be brainwashed into being white because they're all non-white. All of them have marks of being non-white products either their hair is curled or the lips are broad or their nose are broad or you know their skin is dark Black genetic material is always going to leave its mark and the children are always not white and the children that I have seen many of these children have more hang ups about not being white

2:45:50 You see, then black children who may be the same hue. Oh wow yeah I can believe that Yeah and i'm gonna do this out of order just for sake of time and what she just said talk about those hang ups let's go to 39 I know i'm doing it on the fly so you get hit so you can hear some of these hangos Children who have white mothers tend to be more exposed to internalized racism and colorism because of the lack of intersectionality among white feminists. People are like, yeah children with a white moms tend to be a little anti-black

2:46:28 And I was like, shoot. I got a white mom! I will admit that there was some definite anti-blackness stuff when I lived with my white mom. My grandmother sees my brother's shirt and he is wearing the shirt that looks just like this with Malcolm X on the rifle and my grandma is like really? Malcolm X with a gun?! So violent! These are hangups And then you wonder why they go to college. And they get sucked into these groups. Yeah, of course it is and trust me this is a process of making them culturalist because you don't want to identify with your white mom too much but at the same time you know you go in certain places and you're not black enough and that causes resentment

2:47:32 You know, and then you... I don't know. Well then you're kind of stuck in irons. You're in between. You don't belong—you're culturalist. Or you had to overcompensate! And that's really where the risk gets bad at. Like Drake? Overcompensating. Yeah but in the wrong way because it's like Bruh, you're 37 years old and you got hair clips in your hair and big gold teeth in your mouth. You know what I'm saying? Like you didn't do that at 27. You didn't do that 17. We saw the-what Drake looked like when he was a kid He was completely different And Colin Kaepernick the same thing Same thing Yeah Until then he got that fro and everything changed Right So that's Sticking the comb in it too Yeah and see here's the thing this is not fair to white parents

2:48:24 My mom, like Colin Kaepernick said my mom was racist. His adoptive white mom was racist because she wouldn't let me get cornrows. My mom wouldn't let ME get cornrows! Because she's like no you're not going out here looking like that. You know as soon I got 18 I got them but it was like and went out the house but no she was like no your're not getting your hair like that so what they perceive is being racist its based in race yes And we're treading, you said we're treading the third rail here. You was saying a black hair? Yeah because that's the big sign of Blackness using is that hair texture like that's the real

2:49:08 Like you can be like, you can sing your other features. Can we put that hair? That's the telltale story. Well this brings me to another topic I just got to bring up because it has been irking me because all i see now...I mean really I'm not on X that much It is an inbox for me then Because what I mean all I see is negative negative nevada and if go to my public timeline What with the wig snatching That's gone out of control. Wig snatching? Yes! Black girls, quote-unquote, grabbing each others wigs Are they fighting and then snatching off or is it like a robbery? Well no... I've seen some robberies too which are actually kind of funny when someone drives by in a motorcycle But the fight always starts with the hair

2:50:04 Well, women pull hair. That's the thing that's a stereotype. It's almost like a humiliation ritual. Oh yeah it is! Yeah well hold on... Women pull hair naturally because that's like the biggest vulnerability Yes but this is different This is like I'm gonna grab your wig boom oh yeah now that yeah that is a disrespect Yeah. Oof! Which the whole wig thing in itself is a whole problem because like I said that's and you know why don't talk about that? Yeah, because you don't want to get your ass kicked Not even that not it is that they mean well I'm not gonna talk about anything The reason why I don't talk about it Is because I can't identify Because black men hair experience is totally different from... I understand Black women hair experience You're the closest I got

2:51:01 Right, but I'm gonna say it like because like I said, I got daughters and I don't think beauty companies have put enough effort into serving their customers. Because there's a huge market out there to create the products that's necessary to care for black hair. They sure talk a big game about it, they do but they haven't I mean we got rovers on Mars allegedly but we can't figure out black hair come on now what are we doing? Honestly like think about it like come on Elon you're saying figure out black hair no um that that I think that's uh strategic

2:51:45 You do find out the hair thing is not exclusive to black women because Indian women straighten their hair. Because I know that I had an Indian female manager and once she got up to a certain level, here comes the straight hair She had kinky hair, you know what I'm saying? But to be... Yeah. So this is a phenomenon that goes beyond black hair and it's more of hair texture but at the same time like I said black men have a different experience because if you notice black man's hair bleeds

2:52:27 Think about it. You're saying everybody has a fade now you notice this? Yeah, yeah every every every race of man is going to cut some kind of fade his back. Yeah I was watching TV like why they're getting fades all over the night. So I mean we kinda leave my own. Yeah, so didn't want to sidetrack or just had no not because it's important. It's important because this is the struggles that these It's part of the overall struggle. Well, the mixed children struggle with it the most. Of course! And I'd like to introduce a term... I think they should be identified as racially non-binary. No and I'm heart attack serious Let them decide when they get old enough to decide. I don't think you need to put that burden on them like i said with the Haj twins Right Why would you put that burden on your children?

2:53:30 You feel what I'm saying? Maybe they want to be multiracial and marry a multi-racial person. Now, I'll tell them who will tell them what they can't be the system. They'll make it very clear like you can't be unless now you keep at it. And no when we get to 15 white grandparents and one black grandparents we might could talk. That's the one drop rule yeah so all right so I just see Tom alright so Hmm, which way should I go? Which way should I go? Okay. What contributes to these... the confusion of the non- racially nonbinary children? I learned something new Dr Bruce Lipton have you ever heard him? No He has some interesting takes on the subconscious mind and i think this what may contribute to their

2:54:32 identity I hate the word crisis but their identity misalignment that's a better word so 37 listen to how he says you're who you are shaped. I'd like to discuss the nature about how our life has been programmed and how these programs control our life, our vitality and our behavior in the world Recognize this, if you buy a new computer and you turn it on the built-in operating system prepares it to work. But if there are no programs in that computer then the computer can't really do anything well

2:55:09 Well, let's now relate this to a child. When the brain develops it has an operating system but there are no programs in it so nature created the first seven years of our lives to download behaviors by observing our parents and siblings in our community And in this way a child can learn all the behavioral characteristics necessary To be a functional member of family and a functional member of community Makes sense to me So if you're a racially non-binary child, the first seven years will be very determining. Especially if those first three or four years you're only with your mother and what I mean by only with your mother is like she cares for you and not where you don't go to daycare anything for that nature You learn from her And then you go into society and then they tell you something different right?

2:56:06 Because your mother's not going to, you know. Even if you're an ugly baby, your mama ain't gonna never call you ugly. You know what I'm saying? So and then you go out into society and the society lets you know that you're ugly. Like I'm being facetious but that's my point is like Your mother can never be honest with you Never ever It's not in their DNA code. What they say, a face only a mother could love? That's the term right because your mother is always going to see the best in you even if you're the worst person in the world she's gonna find something to love about you so with that said if she's doing everything to protect you from society it might be creating a problem

2:56:52 Down the line and I like to go back. I'm going out of order here So just bear with me, okay? Cuz I want to hear what he said now go to 40 and listen to another VGQ of a non-binary racially non-binary person or group of people as they speak about being black children with white moms When you live in a predominantly white area, in the country that's controlled by whiteness. The information that you receive about black people from society is all just stereotypes This is what can cause them to begin to see their blackness and negative light because no one at home was mentioning their blackness And how it's powerful and beautiful. This is a Facebook post from my uncle You can pause to read if you want But basically he was saying that He'll kill any Black Lives Matter or Antifa protester If defunded police were to actually be achieved

2:57:40 He knows I'm very passionate about Black Lives Matter and have always been attending or organizing protests. So when he says stuff like that, he's directly threatening my life. But so many commenters were saying things like oh i didn't know my culture, I have a white mom and I didn't know my culture Why would you expect a white woman to teach you about your black culture? Where was your black father and the issue is massage noir where some black men not all but some black men are only with white women because of the closer proximity to whiteness and they put down their own women in on culture as a result. Us mixed kids need to combat that massage noir, as well as the internalized racism. Explain VGQ to me because I think I missed that

2:58:17 BGQ is victim guarantee qualification. So if you're a person, a non-white person in the system of white supremacy you're entitled to say what you say. Right That's your experience. You were saying like it's your experience Yes Now We shouldn't have that because we should have the system, but I can't tell another person their experience. I can't tell Drake his experience. I didn't experience his experience if you're saying mm-hmm does that make sense like this? Well, I'm not here to combat what these kids are saying cuz I did live there experience so they're entitled to However, they felt about it yes

2:59:04 But listen to them. It's a real struggle I want people to really all people are Black people quote-unquote white people quote unquote Yeah, I'm saying it like that because we not black We're not white and I found out out by working in a multinational Corporation but you see any of people darkening you and they don't identify as black So it's like hold on wouldn't maybe black if we going off color cuz this thing don't exist Yeah, it don't exist and it shouldn't is this as stupid. It's dumb But it does have consequences that you hear these children And the reason why I took notice is like my daughter if they have By rate of you want to use that term biracial friends and so it's a real struggle for them I just sit around listen some time like air shot and just listen

3:00:01 No, I'm pretty sure a lot of this episode came from your own experience by just observing your kids. Yeah! I can hear that and experiencing colorism amongst your children. Like they didn't pick that up from us but i've seen it...I've seen colorism amongst my kids Really? Yeah they have different grades of hair different colors of skin yeah When they were younger, not that they're older. This is like... I'm like where'd you get that from? Where did you pick that up from? Most of the time it's television. I'm sure. Because you see most of the lead roles on Disney shows is always Zendaya and people like that. You know what? That's the blackness they had to identify with. Right And it's like but in Zendaya, I think that's how you pronounce her name she

3:01:00 When she looks at it, she gets amongst a majority of black people. She may feel uncomfortable because now she's the odd person out and I'm telling you this is where people will get pissed off with me Black people can be cruel to black people Very cruel Well of course that's not exclusive to black people Very cruel I'm just gonna keep it. Self-hate is at an all time high, very cruel. Blackie you know what i'm saying? You get a bunch of dark skin people with one light skin are we going to jump on her yeah look at her light skin look at her like this half white blah blah blah you're saying get a bunch of light skinned people with a dark skinned person blacky you know what i'm saying darky yeah but where they learn that from the system

3:01:59 I'm telling you, you know what I'm saying? It's internalized. These kids are telling you listen to them and you wonder why they're on college campuses doing what they're doing because they are hurting man. And I feel for him cause like I said, I didn't know it was like just having black family. You just like the grays or whatever the other family is. You were saying like what are you meaning that demoralizing effect? I don't know if you ever went through that with your family, Tell you like the other side no not like that at all. Yeah, you're lucky You're very lucky you know saying kids and it's like yeah My issue was education so I wasn't I was a dropout So we have hang-ups right? That's that stuff sticks with you sure Sure, I turned out okay. No understand hey

3:03:00 It sticks with you because you don't think, am I less than? You start to question yourself. That's why I got supreme confidence now because like nah, you can't tear me down. Can't nothing tear me down. I love myself and I wish everybody would love their self and if they did we wouldn't have this screwed up world that we got. I'm sorry but- It's okay Moe, I like it. I'm loving hearing your pour your heart out. All right so going back to Bruce Lipton cause this is what I think you said Like, you know what I'm saying? Here's some good news. If we fix that all the bad stuff that we picked up is zero through seven That's how we... You can reprogram your mind

3:03:45 38. Well, however since we are downloading the programs by observing other people what happens if we download programs from our parents or family and siblings that are not very positive programs? That are actually very negative programs and have an adverse effect on our health well Well, it turns out science has revealed that during the first seven years of our life our brain is designed to download programs just by observing other people. It's a state of hypnosis which is characteristic of brain frequency called theta which is just below consciousness The first seven years of a child's life is installing the programs that when consciousness kicks in around age 7 Consciousness has use of programs

3:04:30 to create the behavior in their relationships, in their family community etc. We now know about 70% of those programs that we download from others are negative and disempowering and even self-sabotaging And as we go through our life you say well where are these programs? I said well they're in the subconscious mind Yeah That's where you fix it at and we can go back to what we talked about before on last show Do everything constructive All your words could be constructed towards other words matter big time. That's why I'm gonna push back against that notion I know people get upset with me when I say that but words as a child you remember words more you do butt whippers Yes, I agree So this word or like we've went I think that's the effect of social media and like oh You just say what you want to say if you don't like it at your problem kind of thing you're saying no like

3:05:31 It's a human on the other side, maybe. You know what I'm saying? But it's a human on the other side of that comment. Be constructive people. Yes! Be constructive. Alright...I don't know what to do with these last two clips This is uh.... What I think their goal is, 43 and 44. You could play 43? I think this is the ultimate goal. Does having parents with diverse backgrounds make you smarter? A new study in the journal Nature shows height and intelligence are linked to greater genetic diversity. Our Dr David Higgins is in Los Angeles. David good morning! Morning Charlie

3:06:14 Are you excited by this story? Yeah, it's a very interesting study because they looked at across hundreds of studies. So 350 thousand people and they put them into two buckets They look at the genetics to the parents and when they were similar They put them into one bucket And when there were dissimilar another bucket and then they looked at their children their offspring What they noted is that when parents were similar genetically, the children were slightly shorter and did slightly worse on some of the cognitive function studies. So a difference yet on all the health benefits or the health effects there was really no effect. Cholesterol heart disease diabetes, no dramatic difference between the two groups so different than we thought. Oh, it's those gene splicing okay

3:06:58 Hybrid vigor, I think is the term. You know what I'm saying? When they mix stuff up and you're saying that the need to want to survive it creates a stronger... Which is fine like I said if that's the goal I'm not knocking that out saying we got to get rid of system if we're going to do that can't have both I'm gonna play 44. I want to hear the second part of this why is that? Yeah, well it's certainly interesting as you think about it Evolution you know Darwin described this 200 years ago Selects out for who has better children and for who does functions that were necessary over the last million years will dominantly That's hunting so

3:07:36 cognitive function, that is finding your way back from hunting. And also taller means you can run quicker and get away from prey and those were the facts that we're actually selected for. Diseases like heart disease diabetes etc happened after childbearing age so we didn't actually select for them through evolution it's a pretty interesting study that tells us a lot because this is really the first couple generations where people of different backgrounds are having children. And if this happens in one generation, children are 1.2 centimeters shorter. Think of it as if this continues to happen." Maybe this is why they're doing all that AI stuff. They know what's going to happen and you're gonna have to start engineering people even differently! Yeah and you're importing people from all around the world. It gives genetic diversity.

3:08:31 Well, you've given me a lot to think about Mo. Thank you for listening Adam! No I mean it's been all over the emotional map because so much comes into play and I've been around for a few years and still it's like okay... So you got this part to think about that part to think about And obviously I don't have the same experience in life that you do but then again very different and you don't have my experience. But this, what you've talked about today is just not discussed so I really appreciate you doing that and then i think you laid it all out and I think that's been really helpful. And my only goal is to be constructive and hopefully people hear this conversation if you're interacting with people consider their feelings

3:09:27 If you are choosing to have a family, understand how cruel the world can be. Take that into consideration and finally love yourself enough that you're saying you try to find somebody like yourself and like I said that doesn't have to based on color or whatever your morals are Love yourself enough where you're like You know what? I'm great! I want somebody just like me Well, it took me a couple tries. I found somebody just like me and turns out she's half Mexican What can I do? Hey Moe brother thank you so much another one in the can I really love doing this show I can't wait to see what we have for the next two ones

3:10:14 Thank you, Adam. And as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself and we'll be back next time Mo Facts with Adam Curry episode number 99 You will not want to miss it. See you soon everybody Dark is the midnight hour, bright is the morning sun Give a fuck about your conviction I know what the Germans done Sneaking through the back window I'm a good-feeling nigga, I made a flower for you by the kind just to chill with ya You know I go the distance You know I'm ten toes down even if NASA listening Cover your ears he bout to mention Complexion, ooh, two thousand steps Complexion don't mean a thing It's a suicidal life, ooh

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