93: Higher Infinite Power

00:18 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for August 30th, 2023. Episode number 93! What? Oh what did you not expect us?! Oh yeah experience the unexpected here I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country time once again to spin The Wheel Of Topics from here to Northern Virginia please say hello to my friend on the other end Mr. Mo Facts How you doing Adam? Moe! I'm doing good man. How about yourself? I'm doing great, uh...I think you got the tagline down The unexpected experience. Yes, and we didn't even discuss that beforehand but it always is kind of something I was just talking to Tina before I walk in the studio says oh what are you guys talking about? I said I don't know. You get his clips don't you? He said yeah I get the clips well or don't you look at are they just numbers no there's a good titles Don't you look at them No...no where's the fun in that

01:14 And you get them like maybe what, like 10 minutes before the show? Yeah. So I mean you don't have a lot of time to do a lot of examining No! I do zero examining it's that's the whole point is What is this by the way what does this track that we're listening to this opening track This is Souls Of Mischief 93 Till Infinity appropriately so Okay, I've never heard this never hurt. Yes. I love the show 93 connection But I've never heard this before I like it all this is hip-hop classic classic of classics Oh, I'm mad. This is when the sound started to change but...I guess it'd be a great time to go ahead and spin the wheel. Oh! Hold on a second! Let's do that! That's right there it is The Wheel of Topics Round and round it goes no one knows where its stop- Well of course Moe knows where we're going because he has selected the following topic for us for episode number 93. This is A Journey Into Sound

02:09 I know this. I know this particular clip, it's from This Is A Journey Into Sound isn't the stereo test album? Yes and then also from Eric B & Rakim fame Oh okay that's right! I forgot about that because i don't play my Eric B & Rakim records that often anymore You probably wonder what this all means. What this mean is, this is the long-awaited quote unquote hip hop episode episodes. All right! I told you had a lot of bucket list of shows I wanted to get too. Hold on a second let me ask you Is this the one? Is this the episode where we find out how an evil small group of men have completely controlled hip hop to control the inner cities and thus America

03:02 eventually but what we have to do first is understand what it is they are controlling. I don't know if you know this or not, it's been in the news the 50th anniversary of hip-hop yes as celebrated by a Jay Z tribute to himself It's And we have them all over the place. Everybody is taking their part and there are some claims Who owns hip-hop? Is it a dot slash FBA? Does it worldly who always involved what I hope to do is lay out the case of what is once I said again, what is actually being discussed what has been controlled and

03:48 And you have to lay a strong foundation. This may, I'm sure this is going to be a multiple episode venture. Okay? Sure too maybe three because it's just that dense but let's go ahead and get into where it all began in Slave Songbook. By 1860, there are roughly 4 million enslaved Africans in the United States. Forcibly transplanted to a new land they've brought with them a rich African heritage including songs adapted to reflect the experiences of life of hard labor on plantations

04:36 These slave work songs, laments and shouts of protest evolve into a new musical form. The spiritual. The spiritual will in turn become the wellspring for generations of musicians who will create the blues gospel jazz and the protest songs of the 1960s Now if I'm listening to the dates here it seems like hip-hop's little older than 50 years Moe It's very much well hip-hop is the latest iteration of the Negro spiritual it started there and as he listens out with through gospel blues jazz rock and roll on to Rhythm in blues, and then hip hop And that's where we're at with it right now. And this is it's the power that's being controlled It's trying to be harnessed and control is the same power

05:32 How was the power back in those days? I mean, was it... Was it power or was it uh Is it comparable to power back in the days of the slaves? I hope to answer that question as we lay out the show but this is just The origin. That there were no instruments at the time We were the instruments and Think I would say hip-hop is an American quote unquote ados invention Because I believe it's the merging of the English language the power that's in it itself. We know this is a magical Spell casting language and then the rhythm that powered, you know Quote-unquote Adolf people all right

06:24 So let's go ahead and get into the second, just to let people know. This is a PBS documentary history detectives. Let's go ahead and get into the second part slave songs of the United States. Wow, published in 1867? Yeah. Two years after the end of the Civil War What do you know about the book? Well very little You know there is something that caught my attention and it's in the first paragraph if you don't mind I'd like to read it to you Okay The musical capacity of the Negro race has been recognized for so many years That it is hard to explain why no systematic effort has hitherto been made

07:00 to collect and preserve their melodies. And it got me to thinking, could this be the first book of Negro spirituals published in the United States? And that would be a really interesting thing! Sounds like that's your question in fact... Well that's one of my questions and then I also want to know you know who were the people who collected this music You know, what was their motivation? This is a really fascinating story and I'm ready to get going. Okay fantastic! I love this script well this is a great story okay let's go we'll do it a little more casual here as they alluded to the power that's behind it and I don't know if you notice or not very many people know this

07:40 Hip-hop is an acronym for higher infinite powers helping our people. Okay, no I didn't know that and I'm surprised actually I never knew it was an acronym Yes, I don't know if that's the Genesis with the genesis of hip-hop It comes from hip which hip means cool Which goes back we got to look at how hippies playing to that You know because in the beat mix and without this is Episode was impossible Because there were so many rabbit holes That you can go down where these terminology came from but it was less

08:21 Later to be understood. That's what it stood for and that's what I hope the layout in these At least two episodes this is the higher infinite power part What is that power? And you have to ask yourself as well, what makes quote-unquote black people so influential throughout the world Is it their power Well, this is the right question. I don't know the answer! So that's what we had to get into. Go ahead and move along into part three To the enslaved African What did these songs mean? These songs were everything He had to sing about his condition Being sold His family being separated he had to sing to keep his plain metal bearing

09:07 He tells me that plantation owners often forced enslaved Africans to attend church to hear the message of Christianity. a message that missionaries carefully tailored to justify slavery. But the enslaved men and women took this new language and created their own spirituals, songs that often contained coded meanings bringing messages of hope and sometimes visions of escape. All right, just because I like doing show notes and I went and looked up in a dictionary hip-hop. Already these acronyms have been captured listen to this homeless an indigenous population health outreach project and healthy individual people helping other people oh there you go forget your higher power it's for homeless well that is a microcosm of what i'm talking about the harnessing

10:09 Yeah, yeah I got you and we're gonna just to do a little foreshadowing the call-and-response The chance at these that you've documented over the years. Mm-hmm That is part of it And I love that eventually we're gonna get into a part where I was actually a part of it, of the mainstreaming of hip-hop. Right! Oh yes but thats why...I could have started it there No no no no no Always when you lay the bedrock and foundation it'll make a lot more sense

10:46 And speaking of laying the foundation in bedrock, we have to go back to episode 22 dream machine and this is the spirituals being no. Hold on my fault I'm jumping a little head No, you know what? Let's do it. We can do that. Yeah let's do that and then we'll go back to number five okay here we go this is the Highlander school song It was in the civil rights struggle that Highlander became most famous and famous for a song how that happened is a textbook example of Highlander working exactly the way it was designed From the start, the Civil Rights Movement had songs. Lots of songs! But it didn't have a song... One unifying and irresistible anthem that not only said who they were but that musically expressed all their hope determination and spirit Septima Clark Pete Seeger and a new young staffer named Guy Carowan began adapting an old hymn turned labor song that Zylphia loved to sing

11:44 The word will was changed to shall. Some verses were fitted to the new movement's goals and the tempo was changed so people could march to it better It became we shall overcome Now you rang your bell yeah, I would just saying that we had many songs But as you just laid out with the hijacking the acronyms they picked this one song Remixed it so it's easier to march to If a activation in itself, I mean what is it and I would like to bring up one example in modern light in recent hit well in current events

12:34 this North Richmond song. You see how a single song can inspire people or ignite something within people? Now, I gotta be honest the song did resonate with me and it is what it is but I can understand how music can resonate to certain people that's on their frequency and I think that has a lot to do with this power thing like... It's the frequency thing. And let me just hone in on that But right down to the instrument used, it's a frequency that resonates with a certain population of people. Just like the 808 may resonate differently with different people. So absolutely and also this was a visual hit? Yes You know there is an important difference there

13:27 And it's amazing. It actually reminds me of early, well for me early hip hop in the late 80s when hip hop was seen as you know the hood CNN and this is kind of like rural America's CNN it's like hello look at me let me tell you what's going on out here. And this may be the motive for why they're trying to hijack these movements because you're quote-unquote cultural revolutionaries are not gonna come from upper middle class or rich. They're gonna come from where you get an understanding and then you can voice it in a certain way so... People were talking about this guy like he was Bob Dylan in the 60s, you know? And I think to a degree it's now short we have much shorter attention span

14:21 But it hit home. It was so good that right away, we have to surface videos this guy's a shill he's no good he's controlled opposition A lot of stuff went in there all the sudden That's that hip-hop keeping it real Is he real? is he really real are you an industry plant All of this when that term keeping it real That's what it meant did it come from You know the authentic place they're speaking about or is it Industry, is it corporate right and we as we get down to show would make you It'll be crystallized Hopefully but now let's go back. And I was speaking about the dual um

15:07 nature of the English language and how big thing in hip-hop is the double entendre or the other mythical Triple entendre which very few people can pull off, but it's been done. Uh-huh, but Number five will speak more of the double meaning in the Negro spiritual the words were saying hey have a double meaning. So anytime you hear anything about traveling shoes or chariots or wheels, somebody's getting ready to run and so you take a Negro spiritual swing low sweet chariot coming for to carry me home swing low sweet chariot

16:00 Coming for to carry me home. That chariot is movement, that chariot is swinging low picking you up Putting you on that underground railroad taking you somewhere to freedom. So when we sing those songs, it's like mm-hmm Something's getting ready to happen Say I looked over Jordan and what did I see Jordan? That was metaphor for the Ohio River a band of angels coming after me Those coming those those conductors coming to help you Coming forth to carry me home so they had all kind of little messages and the slave master would hear us singing as though They sound pretty happy tonight

16:37 Next day two or three people gone because we put that message out. Oh Moe, this is great This is a master class You're picking all the all the belt is this fantastic? Of course everyone knows everyone in America knows this song I would hope and you can kind of think about it But man she just put it in like 50 seconds She put it all together there for us. I love that and they were transferring information meaningful information back-and-forth You know to people, hey we about to head north. And you knew what that meant and you be gone and as I was doing my research the racism creativity put into racism just amazes me sometimes because i found this racial slur called the moon cricket. The moon cricket? Yes this is a racial slur for black people let me show you how

17:35 We put so much energy in doing the wrong thing that it's funny, but it's not funny at the same time because what it meant was this is the basis of it. This very act of singing at night they would hear slaves sing at night and that's what they call moon creek. Us being known to the slave master that your property is about to head you're saying up out of here but it's just amazing That's putting our energy into the wrong thing. I had to share it because he gave me a shot like right, but this is almost honest It's basically n-word

18:16 Well, what I'm saying is you have the option but they have to get more creative with it. It just baffles me. I thought I would share that but... So this is Reverend Velma Thomas and you can hear as they say in the church and we're going go to church here for a little bit in a minute The anointing on her voice You can hear in her voice there's certain thing that resonates And I don't know if it resonates with you or not because like i said, well. I think we're all tuned to different frequencies when she's singing when she's singing Right oh? Well it resonates in me as a human being

18:55 Of course, but I'm saying like the same way that North of Richmond didn't resonate with me. I was like cool song But it isn't the frequency. Mm-hmm. I'm not saying a message or whatever It's their frequency that this didn't register with me to my ears the way they're tuned right? Like but we heard It's the certain tenor in her voice. Mm-hmm that is In a church they call it an orange in modern day to call it drip Is that thing that makes you go from can sing? to can sang I gotcha, okay, so number six we talked about wait in no water Wait

19:47 So we stepped in that water, because the dogs can't pick up your scent. We had all these songs that said it's time to move, it's time to go by the waterway. It's time to follow the North Star. It's time to start looking and traveling. It's time to get ready to cross over Jordan into freedom. Steal away to Jesus? Oh Lord they're going on to heaven! No!

20:28 to stay So we still the way to Jesus We still a way to freedom, but it sounds like we're just talking about a life in the hereafter But we're talking about a life in the here and now You know I realize that In all the racism that's discussed in India in our country in the United States on it seems like a daily basis This part of slavery is really not discussed much at all. It's always about the bad master and how horrible it was, and building America on the back of the slaves but there's not just... To me, at least if I'm thinking over the past five-ten years, there has been a lot of talk about the Underground Railroad and the escape and what that was like and how beautiful it really was

21:17 And that's, in my opinion, that's purposely done because you don't want to have people be inspired. This is the whole reason for the hijacking of the music and culture I have to do this, but J. Edgar Hoover is known for saying... First of all, yes, alright, I'm gonna shut up. The self-hating black man J. Edgar Hoover... I was gonna say we all know he's black! We all know he's a brother! The self hating black man J. Edgar Hoover allegedly was known being very cautious and conscious of this Black Messiah figure that was going to raise

22:01 Have the ear of the people, Obama tapped in this a little bit and inspire. So they constantly and when I say they capital they are constantly manipulating controlling inspecting to ensure it's two pathways Either you through academics if you show yourself to be highly intelligent will capture You make you one of the talented 10th. See you all too. I'll leave school and now you're not a threat as Disgusting trick, baby Right yeah But for those that stay in poverty in that area is two other paths it sports You know your physically gifted and that'll be your railroad to D1 school And we'll isolate you now there's one more piece of the pie left

22:50 That's the one that can sing their way out. They have the talent, the charisma they have to ear of people. They said we gotta control that Because as you've seen the guy with his guitar and a camera and a microphone inspire people To feel something now we live in this short time window You know where stuff goes viral didn't falls out it to the wayside Have you seen any of the remixes? Of that song I have because that's what I thought was hip-hop esque

23:26 It's like, hold on a second. Now we got guys... We got white guys in the farmlands rapping over this song and that to me was what was really exciting about it. Which they had to do that because they had to resonate with a certain demographic. Yeah yeah yeah right And you saw this even in hip-hop Southern hip hop was totally different frequency than Northern Hip Hop and West Coast Hip Hop So I mean is even intra group As I like to say, you have the different frequencies that it just doesn't register. But fast forwarding to this control mechanism... It goes all the way back to slavery

24:07 per Judge Joe Brown, and he was speaking on this phenomenon. Willie Lynch not so much because it was very early but later on the slave masters were instructed to go in with their fellow slave owners and buy a stud now there was a peculiar attribute they wanted this stud to have they also wanted him to make a good preacher So make the stud to preacher and allow slave marriage. So the slave male would find out that when his female wife, well this wife was believed to be in heat, the slave masters would bring over the stud preacher to sleep

24:59 with his wife often on his palate in his huff. Wow! That would do what now would be called demoralizing him. I love the little comment to that, wow! And this is how the plantation, this was plantation policies. Go ahead. No I mean that's exactly right it's like this is the real if you really want to understand what was going on this is the stuff that's going on we all know about the whippings and the kunta kinte and the beatings in all this but I love this because now you're getting into what it was really like in fact you are tuning my frequency here. I like it and is still light because the same way they had studs back then, they have athletes and celebrities now your LL Cool J's of the world. What I mean by the quote unquote sex symbols Paul? Paul Heavy Paul. Oh man you gonna pick on him? No what i'm saying is that he was able to start in early 80s and maintain this lane

26:03 Being the fit hip guy, you know Do also was capable. I well, I mean one of the top rappers there is he worked? I think we've talked about him before that He would be up at 1775 Broadway in my MTV days and we walk in and then we had a It was for executives, you know, whatever the 15th floor And there was like an executive kind of waiting room where you'd wait until you were called. LL Cool J would be up there all the time, but he would always have meetings with the executives. He worked it and so I got to put props on his name for that. He really worked it. No no what I'm saying is no he's one of the best and you can make a argument for him being the actual GOAT of rapping for longevity not in my book but as a case to be made. My issue is that

26:55 He was sold as the buff rapper, you know what? 50 Cent the same way. This is a reiteration of this quote unquote stud that you know this physical behemoth and at the same time had a set skill of mastering words Yeah, so and it's known you see even in churches all our religious groups all around the world that God has the people ear has an end roll to women. Look at the preachers and how they always fall into some kind of sexual... How does Reverend Al do it though? I'm surprised

27:40 Maybe we'll get back to Rev. Al at a later date because he does play into this as well, but these words—this mastering of words—to a lot of people black preachers and wonder how we got from Negro spiritualists to preachers... Preachers are the original MC I mean literally you know saying that's master of the ceremony yeah Um, so you wonder to most people it sounds like a bunch of hollering and whatever else. No there's a sweet science to actually

28:20 What they call hooping and this is Reverend Jasper Williams, and he gonna break down the science to you in three parts This is the first part And you're ready to hoop now But you've been going up Up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up until hoop time you ain't got nowhere else to go. So you start straining it. All right now no reflection on E.V., is a master at his own art in his own way

29:08 But you notice E.V., E.V.. It's so, so, so, so... Hallelujah! So, so, so, so... Praise the Lord! So, so, so, so... Well see, E.V can't go up no further Alright? Cause he is not a naturally gifted preacher Now, what I detected about myself was when i go up up up up up up up up up up up up then what I had to do was talk my way back down. This is very interesting. Anyone who's been on stage with a microphone knows that when you have a group of people and you're able to capture their attention, just with words and just with your rhythm and the tone, you can manipulate... well, manipulate? You can move the people like the simplest one is everybody happy

30:05 I said is everybody happy? And you know today's DJs, you get a tiestos up the top and here's the drop. It's all the same thing people resonate with that but this of course is a very specific skill It's capturing. I think is the word that best fits as you capture the audience there They're locked in with you they're on their own The same beat is you because you got to have a beat to have call and response And you hear the whole time as he's doing and he's just doing so-and-so so-and-so, but the feeling and him running up that scales and

30:44 It takes the people up emotionally. And this is that frequency I'm talking about because some people might not feel it, but their voices are tuned to a certain frequency and a certain rhythm that inspires that call-and-response. And in now wanting to make people understand that this is not I'll just get up and start yelling, whatever. No this is years and years and years of practice the reason why i know is...I mean I grew up with going to a Baptist church that the reverend was very uh was the I think the dean of seminary at Duke University

30:05 I said is everybody happy? And you know today's DJs, you get a tiestos up the top and here's the drop. It's all the same thing people resonate with that but this of course is a very specific skill It's capturing. I think is the word that best fits as you capture the audience there They're locked in with you they're on their own The same beat is you because you got to have a beat to have call and response And you hear the whole time as he's doing and he's just doing so-and-so so-and-so, but the feeling and him running up that scales and

30:44 It takes the people up emotionally. And this is that frequency I'm talking about because some people might not feel it, but their voices are tuned to a certain frequency and a certain rhythm that inspires that call-and-response. And in now wanting to make people understand that this is not I'll just get up and start yelling, whatever. No this is years and years and years of practice the reason why i know is...I mean I grew up with going to a Baptist church that the reverend was very uh was the I think the dean of seminary at Duke University

31:28 You see what I'm saying? Like, this man ate at my table. So and my family... I have a little bit of exposure to it as a new Christian our church is a Bible Church but it is inspired on Baptist churches and from time in time we'll have a visiting pastor this Ados Pastor who I forget where he comes from and man he grabs people! And everyone's always happy when he shows up like oh okay this can be exciting gonna be something new and he has that rhythm, and he's able to do it with white people too. Yeah So one time the hoop I said And so the Lord says so-and-so, so-and-so! And He went on and you see... And He came on down where The Lord said then I will go on down my brother and my sister And so-and-so, so-and-so I'm where I want to be See cause' I found My key

32:26 All right now, what does this mean since I found where my tune is most comfortable at? It means simply this. That if I'm at the key where I want it and I'm tuning good because I'm relaxed down here it means that if I can't go nowhere else I can at least go back to where I was. Cause I was there and anywhere you were, you can go back to it." Cool! Two points i want to make...I left the room for you this make it just in case you caught the know what we've heard before This is Hillary Clinton

33:10 Oh, it's funny. I was no ways tired that what she was trying to do. No more. Yeah yeah right which we called it with code switching right but this is the science that she was trying to tap into and Obama slightly does it you know he doesn't just enough big tune like he's what they call a tuner he's not a hooper and there are different categories of going here because this is the different flows listen hip-hop Actually, while I was listening to that you know what sprung to mind? Of course Hillary makes sense. When Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall in their movies they do a takeoff of a preacher. Yeah!

34:00 Coming to America. Yes, the pageant yeah at the beauty I was like it was like a beauty pageant of fundraiser Yeah And just another recent phenomenon remember the kid in Tennessee with the big afro and he gave that cold switch speak They got everybody all riled up there's a black key When he was In in the state Senate Yes, yeah. Oh yeah sure all of us So it's a very powerful science and I just want out what I'm trying to do is untrivialize it And if people understand the power spoken word then they will understand using this manner They will understand what is the power hip-hop and why has to be corralled okay?

34:54 This is the final part three. I'm down here now and then the law says so-and-so songs Back to where I was and 9.9 tens of the time because I went down it got the tune I can go out James Brown, James Brown right there. I was waiting for it So in essence what i'm telling you is this that when you

35:33 Go up to the body of your assignment if you're a kind person that can't shift and not naturally gifted, and maybe some of us who are gifted. It may help the gift to even be most so. What you do is go up to that point all the loud and hard and drive all you want but when time to tune talk your way back down to where you comfortable level off there And when time to holler, you know you're going with ease. Go back where you were and because you relaxed more than likely you can't hide it

36:15 And then as I can tell y'all What was the context of this mo because I love I love this well, where was it from? This was a seminary Seminary seminar. Mmm. Those are other preachers in the room Okay that he was instructing you know It's old school cuz we got like the white folding pad and the marker Showing them how to go up on the scale is but This is what rap I keep saying it, but I have to just drill at home. When you hear these people rapping and the bars coming out of their mouth It's registering with the same magnitude Got it Different manner but same magnitude Now do you think that is because its cultural or is truly embedded in human? The resonance to these frequencies I think we're all on different timings

37:15 Because when you go around the world, Chinese music moves on a different time signature. Yeah I remember being in Thailand and doing a documentary at a hill tribe up near the Burmese border And it's basically only the women The men are all zonked out in an opium den At night they say we'll do our special festival party for you And they had this rhythm and dance, I could not get into their rhythm. And they'd laugh at me like, oh don't you feel it? Like no. It was really weird so different timing completely different with hula the same thing with uh um you know what's the south american music the samba i think it is salsa salsa you know I think it's another one too but I mean just the rhythms are different and if you're not on that time timing it's just impossible to catch

38:17 And I think we all have a unique timing to ourselves. Now you can train yourself, and all this can be learned! I'm not saying that it's exclusive to certain groups of people and it can't be learned because if you notice on American Idol everybody comes up there singing with R&B twins to their voice It's been a while since I've watched American Idol, I'll be honest with you. But yeah, I can see what you're saying Even in the inception of it You know it was this... What they call blue-eyed soul Justin Timberlake lent to this a little bit Because when he went from NSYNC

38:57 Solo career totally totally I mean cool in the game roll a lot of songs for them. So it's just the same thing It's that timing the Rolling Stones they picked up off muddy waters and howling wolf and all those it can be learned But with all I say that when you start learning other people's stuff it becomes commercialized and it washes out It's kind of like what Malcolm X said you put too much milk in the coffee And what do you have? And I think that's what we have a mainstream music. Mm-hmm, and as quick aside its When I heard you doing your new show Booster Graham ball yes

39:38 It's like the, uh, sepandir... what is it? Sepandir- uh. Seppendipitous? Serendipity! Yeah that's it. Serendipitous there we go we got it. Between the two of us will get there Mo. We'll get it but no the actual see there it went between the two of us it was like this is exactly what I'm talking about you know it's amazing that I had no clue you were doing that And you had no clue I was doing this show, this set of shows. But it lines up because it's the freedom to let their people choose. You know if you do that then they can't be hijacked as a quick aside and that's OK just keep that aside for a moment. I just did episode five of Booster Graham Ball and here's the things that really struck me coming from a radio background first

40:36 In mainstream radio, your selection is very limited. Yeah you got decades of back catalog but the stuff that you actually wind up playing on almost any radio station is a very small maybe 100 songs... Very limited I'm seeing completely new styles, things that i've never even thought about as types of music because it's always been so categorized for me. And the... just the freedom that people are exhibiting

41:13 There's something very, very powerful. And yeah I mean quite honestly...I'm hoping and well i know it's coming! I'm waiting for hip-hop not for me to play, I'm waiting for hip hop songs to be played by hip hop podcasters. I'm waiting for worship music. I'm waiting for all of this. This to me is one the most exciting moments in my life So to have you bring this is fantastic. And what I believe you've done is re-centered the DJ into the middle of the music conversation. The discovery mechanism, this is what radio used to be you'd listen to your favorite radio DJ because he oh he's playing something cool all listened to this not because he had the funniest jokes or the quips or you know the one liners which is kind of what radio has become today and the music has become a secondary almost like tapestry that just on the wall

42:14 of putting the DJ center as a funny man or comedian. That really came in the 90s, like oh now DJ's got to be comedians but for me it's like it's Monday I'm still a little jet lagged I'm gonna search for something and play this and yeah! It's discovery. Something we completely lost in the last 20 maybe even 30 years Well, we didn't lose it. It was replaced with the algorithm a suggestion or algorithm Yeah, well that would just feed you instead of a human actually curating You know and saying okay I'll think you'd if you like my taste then I think you quote-unquote dig these records yeah, people call in say hey, I like that one or then that's when you get the

43:01 You know loop the feedback, you know those contests is like thumbs up thumbs down But I'm saying play it or as a player or whatever it was but make it or break it. Yeah Yeah, you have that whole feedback loop So I mean just at the quickest side It's gonna be very important and I think it's timely day That that happened and I was the same time. I was doing it down this rabbit hole So good because i'm expecting some mofax music to be uploaded pretty soon, I know you got oh yeah, I know you got it And this is my first love like I can't lie uh And this is why they show him so important to me but let's get back to the hooping and this is dr Edward L branch and his take on it for us

43:46 in the African-American church world, it is an integral part of who we are. And it fits in well for us you know and I want to say as well that as a quote unquote Hooper I mean what becomes a challenge for us who are known to be and especially those of us who are true hoopers. Now when you talk about hooper, it's not just the tuner there is some preachers that can tune so they can grab a note

44:30 and they can tune, they can cruise along that note. That's one thing. There are some who can holler and holler on a note! And you know they go along and they hit that hollar or whatever it might be but that's not hooping. So its different things It's different levels to like with rapping is there it's different levels to you might come wrong words together You mean like Vivek Exactly. Well, I ain't gonna put him in what I mean is quote-unquote competent rappers

45:17 That like, okay. That's pretty good But then there is the next level when and it was one thing I wanted to bring up before was with sermons There's the three eyes right? There's information Interpretation and inspiration so the information is what you pack into your sermon Like when I'm trying to get you to do that, you know understand the interpretation is how you took it You know, and then inspiration is like the power this power output. But where I keep saying it's that feeling that you know When you leave church you feel better Your buckets are filled right? And in it carries you through the week and in the reason why this is so important as we gotta think about a back bed

46:04 Church was the social club church was the Spiritual hospital It was the center point for a very long time. And this is why when they wanted to get people to get clout, they would throw the Reverend in front of your name. Right? Reverend Al Sharpton, Reverend Jesse Jackson go down the line because that gave you a certain credibility and I think thats moved forward now to rap and rap really lost its way or I say quote unquote black music lost its way

46:44 when it stopped being filtered through church. Right? You used to have to go to church to play on a drum set or get access to a keyboard, or learn how to sing and breath control and then you will go out and become secular as you'll hear later in the show but I just wanted to make that point It's funny...I always felt that Whitney Houston had that in the beginning And then Bobby Brown came in and ruined everything You know what I mean? Like she came from the church. Am I going too far? No, this story say that she was the wild one in the couple! Yeah, yeah, I know but it always looked from the outside like oh there comes Bobby Brown now agreed but that she started in the church and had a lot to do... no I think it had a lot to do with

47:39 With her relationships in general, but then her music also changed. Her music also went away from that You know there was a certain point at Whitney was very programmatic Pop songs in my mind and it's funny that we go this way But is very important to bring this up At one point in black music when she first was making her rise Quote-unquote the streets rejected Whitney Houston at the beginning. I was saying that this rich kid Quote-unquote poser and aside quote unquote too much But hey, I don't want to be nice think make people think I'm saying it's about her but it was you know She's a poser her small sissy Houston. She would born with a silver spoon in the mouth she was born on third base kind of thing and here she come making pop music because

48:31 because at the time that's what it was, it was pop music. No I remember interviewing her at the time she's like yeah and because this we were in Holland so we kind of knew a little bit about what was happening with her and that rejection although you know Just getting in we'd have the internet so the information didn't flow as fast and she would say, you know I'm just singing. I'm just who I am. I'm just seeing in who I am And she was she was she seemed very genuine about that But now I'm just doing my thing here and people can say what they want to say Wish it was who she was She was born on third base I mean when you talk about the music industry her mom was alleged in the in the church and secular music, you know, so

49:14 Um, you can't say it's not but what happened was she was somewhat rejected because of the authenticity is like that doesn't resonate with us. You know um similar with Michael Jackson you know that's what the whole I'm bad video was about Man, I'm trying to make something different here like Thriller and the world loves it. But people want to hear the old Michael Jackson. You know off-the-wall more soulful sound and that's the struggle. That's why i wanted to bring it up because

49:51 These people are pulled in so many different ways across the secular line and staying Christian And then across once you go secular do you go commercial or do you stay quote-unquote urban? You know What is a person to do and then you become isolated like I believe she did until you make it so big We gotta claim you back again. That was kind of the beauty of Oliver Anthony is he said, hey people offering me millions of dollars I'm not interested. I'm just me and not interested in doing any of it. I'm just making songs in my backyard so we here right? I think we stopped at two

50:35 Let's go ahead and get into number three. Uh, wait a minute No, I think we no excuse me Oh, no number 12 number 12. Yeah Hooping is is uh is an art form And it is and it is based on musical scales Okay you know as I was as I was saying and usually the person who Is a hooper is familiar with and in many cases also gifted as a singer. And though they may not know mechanically

51:13 and intellectually exactly what they are doing. They know what they are doing when it comes to following musical tones, and to be able to do that at the same time that you are continuously giving a message and saying something of substance, it takes work and and you use sacrifice Probably a number of good sermons in your efforts to develop that skill. You know so Yeah, music theory totally

51:58 Via spoken word. That's the weird thing about it like so is it actually singing or as a spoken word? The same thing without rapping is Rapping just a poem right on a beat or the actual music within itself, right So we're peeling back this onion To see which way it goes in this is going into 13 I had a friend Had a friend who I mean he would tell me, says you know how I get my hoop together and then I decide what am i preaching. You know? And a he was a tremendous hooper and a he was effective with it but in most cases the build up from the start of that sermon

52:52 As you know, I say to preachers for the preservation of voice because sometimes people want to know as a hooper how do you keep your voice? How do you preach four or five six times in a week and still maintain your voice. The voice can do tremendous things if you treat it properly If you abuse it then you're going to spend most of your time hoarse or with a sore throat or whatever it may be and so to build into Pay attention to that and to prepare the material in your sermon So that if this point requires A lot of energy and effort and passion to express Don't put that early in your sermon

53:45 Because you're going to, you're gonna overload. You're gonna burn yourself out and many times the crowd is gonna go with you so they don't take you up there and your voice won't be able to finish that message in many cases. Wow! There is a Baptist version white Baptist preacher versions called the holy wine and W. H. I. N. E.. It's that it's that what's called fire on brimstone southern Baptist part of that and also putting it ha putting that you know who has a similar cadence to that? No, Alex Jones. Oh

54:29 When he gets to rolling, like when he's really on his roll. Yeah you're right! He has that Southern Baptist... That's why I knew exactly what you were talking about when you said that is that old-time church wood floor feeling and what brought my attention to this because I was just like this is what we do but I remember on public access television they had these two church shows they used to come on One was a Spanish, but he had the exact cadence of a Hooper And I was like, okay well... Okay. I'll just file that away and then there was a Korean church. Yeah cool yeah straight up and down all Korean you know saying no English and he had the same exact thing and it was like hold on what what? You know they just caught my interest like maybe start looking at it a little deeper in light this is a vehicle

55:27 You know, that's just like when you hear rappers. You know? You can hear a rapper in French And you, okay. It's like, okay, you're rapping like an American if that's understood because it's the pattern of the flow that you could pick up on so all right? So now we had to go back to Mr Jasper Williams Now you tell me is this a fishtail or not This is Jasper Williams having him somebody important ask him to teach them how to hoop That's exactly true. We were on the outside of a hotel with a lot of preachers standing around I can't remember just what the occasion was

56:10 But he said, Jasper, Jasper. This is Martin Luther King Jr saying, Jasper, Jasper that voice the way you do your voice can you show me how to do that? I said, King, I don't need to show you how to do that what do you mean Jasper you don't need to show me how to do that? I said because you got that ring and your voice that nobody else has Yeah I mean ya know I got a dream I had a dream and I mocked him a little bit He said no, no, no up a little higher. I said, to do what? He said that thing that you do. I want to know how to do that. I say well doctor let me tell ya' I have the philosophy that everybody can hoop who wants to hoop and so whenever you get time

56:56 and you want me to seriously sit down, and show you what I think you could do with your voice as it relates to being a hooper. I'd be glad to do that but no, I am telling you this...I don't think you need to hoop no more than you have that pretty whine when you speak and when you preach." And we all chuckled about that. MLK was a crossover artist, really. That's exactly why I think he, if true that would be the reason why he wanted to hoop. It was like that, I have a dream speech will fly for the nation but when you go back home to these down south churches you gotta come with the real not taking anything away from Dr King but as you see even himself if his story is true

57:56 He was like, this resonates with a certain crowd but I need to reach another kind of crowd. What is similar to what you were saying about Whitney Houston? He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Born on third base and preaching, right So it's like now you're here cuz of your who your dad is and who put your granddad was so I'm sure there were some insecurities And not having when I'm gonna play next a real Hooper This is Jasper Williams in action, but nothing he was insecure about that preaching power, teaching power, singing power playing power healing power Holy Ghost Power! I have a witness in my hand wrapped in his hands he's got power

59:07 He's got power. And you know when Hozen went back to the auction block and Billionaire Goldberg gave him everything he had, she fell down at his feet and I heard her saying, That's another way of reading scripture. It is great!

1:00:05 Didn't but did you pick up the BB King and the James Brown? Oh, yeah all of it. Of course, of course And I even hear Eddie Murphy's You know take off on a What did James just say? I mean, it's all in there. It's all in there and this space for the call or response. That's the time of thing that I have to stop. I know you're going to hit your mark as an audience everybody is on cue and time to hit their, you know call a respond and out and I'm growing up these scales musically at the same time as pacing the crowd if I don't know if you've ever been in environment with that

1:00:49 Well, there is electricity and this is why a lot of people Jim Jones and you know use the pulpit to pull off mass mind control. Yeah because that power's real And people are open to receive it because a lot of time when you go to church You either need your battery charged, you know or you got something heavy on you and you're opening yourself up to me um reached And that, like I said, that's a very... and it carries over to music. It went down the line you can hear the blues inspiration go ahead Oh no even the simplest everybody say hey! Hey everybody say ho! Ho! Even that is the simplest form of it

1:01:42 Even if you don't know what they're saying, here's an example of African origin of call and response followed by an American version. All right, everybody! I just put my trust in God. in England. Everything about the rockin' Quavo in England, it's a craze! Everybody love it! I just finished two in Germany. I just left Italy. I went on down to Sweden. I stopped over in Belgium and I went on down to France. I went over Australia. Everybody shaking! They're rocking... In rhythm! And oh they having a good time and I just made it back around

1:02:50 Little Richard, of course. I love how the band is like... The crowd and everybody in rhythm and totally in sync yeah I love it That's the rhythm I'm speaking of and in you heard it with even African example, I don't know what the heck they were saying But they were on time. And even even his delivery wasn't the same every time right? It was shorter than longer but they would still hitting it right on Tom So you make people may ask well that's trivial. Yes What are you talking about? All right This is where this story gets personal my grandfather worked on the railroad

1:03:40 my father's father up to the point where he was given an ultimatum to bust somebody's head or go home. Luckily, he chose to go home because he was like I got seven kids But he was part of a group called Gandhi Dancers. And these next clips are going to explain what it is, but I'll briefly explain so everybody won't be in the dark. These are the guys that were straightening the railroads with these long poles and they would tend to the whole railroad system except mean like the whole rail system. But this one specific job had certain

1:04:22 Need to be on cadence to move these heavy rails you with me react cuz everyone had to move pull the pipes at the same time simultaneously timing 16 The work calls these retired railroad laborers are demonstrating grow out of a tradition they helped shape I In the segregated South, it was primarily African-American men who served as the custodians of the railway lines laying and maintaining tracks by hand labor. These section crews were known as Gandhi dancers. They worked for companies like the Southern, LNN and Seaboard doing what was considered the most physically demanding of the lowest paying jobs on the railroad. Gandhi dancers were expected to lay new rail replace rotten cross ties repair tracks damaged by floods and tightly pack or tamp the gravel bed on which the rails lay

1:05:24 But most of their time was spent straightening sections of track that had been pounded out of alignment by the tremendous and frequent weight passing trains. Using five-foot steel lining bars, each weighing over 20 pounds, gangs pulled in unison inching the track back into line. Coordination and timing of each man's exertion was critical. One member of the gang, The Caller synchronized the group's physical movements with his voice ensuring safety and pacing while spiritually uplifting the men at their work Man I never hear this when they're talking about racism This is good! The Caller...I like it So this is a metaphor in itself that left unattended

1:06:15 If we get on the same frequency moving the same way, you are capable of anything capable of moving railroad tracks that need to be straightened through rock. Capable of doing more than individual parts can do alone. It's like that sum one plus one equals three mentality and I think That the people that want to control this world understand that and this is the reason why they had to keep it under their thumb Now I'm gonna go. This might be a space jam reach, but I don't know if you watch Space watch Shrek movies Have you seen them or not? No, I'm sorry no well There was one with Rumpelstiltskin right and he called in the he was the bad guy the villain

1:07:02 He called in the pod Piper and a pie piper To set his flute to any animal or ogre And he would play and the Ogres would dance however you wanted them to dance which I think that was an illusion too now here's reach The allusion to if you can control the music You can control the movement of the people oh yes, I mean this has been I think The most recent example that A lot of people know about is Hitler's boy Goebbels. Yeah, who would play Rite of the Valkyries before every speech it would rile people up you know there's the whole 432 Hertz changing where a starts all this stuff sure

1:07:55 Every drummer has a every army has a drummer. Yes, exactly. Yeah Every drum every army had the drummer and it's something to that beat is something to that cadence And there's something into the collective effort which you got to have timing just like with a motor or anything else The gears had to be spinning on a certain Timing with the timing belt to maximize force, which I think that this is where the control comes in. They are fearful as they should be. If you're trying to run a one world government, you gotta make sure you control the voices or you introduce your own voices into the fray to mislead people. Oh this is going to be interesting with the value for value music system we've started. They're not gonna take that lightly is what I'm thinking now

1:08:51 No, when the big guy show up like Curry play this record curry. Yeah Sure sure GBG 17 exactly We had one fellow, he was singing. He was a good singer and he sang to the timber and he said I got the St Louis blues. I'm just as blue as I can be. I got St Louis Blues. I'm just as blue as I can be

1:09:43 And so we had a white boy, and we'd make him sing too you know. His name was Mr. Chan down there where did he get it? It's your time to sing now sang to us! So he'd sang it He says I got the same damn thing that niggas say he has I got the same damn thing that niggas say he has And we would always boost him saying that. That's good to know. Go to show you that they in the same boat, but it's different. You know this is what is perplexing about the race conversation because you can have people in the same social economic levels or close but there still a difference

1:10:36 And can you explain it? It's hard to explain and they do a great job of confusing everybody with it. But this is why me and you had this conversation because how about this for a second? So, the reason as you point out right on early on is frequency what is light in color It's just a different frequency. Yeah, it's frequency but it's a different frequency so as I'm and as we're going through this I'm thinking yeah you know people will resonate differently based upon frequencies that are inherent to them So even melanin can have you know become have a different frequency? I'm thinking now that's part of what this is

1:11:18 And I think every frequency is needed. It's like saying, oh we only want certain bands of light you know? We don't need Roy! You know what i'm sayin'? Just give me G-Bears! Yeah good point So all of is needed, you know but at the same time You can manipulate those frequencies and make them look like you want to and it's kind of like with a diode right? Yeah, I mean diode. Oh, you could tune that frequency to make it whatever color you wanted to be right on so this is the mass mind control so Going for it. Here's an example of a legendary I remember him from school John Henry you would get this with the Paul Bunyan and was it something Pecos? Was because they had one like it was a Mexican character Paul Bunyan was quote-unquote the white character and in

1:12:16 John Henry with the black character, these mythical figures you know the babe and his blue ox. You know that kind of thing and here's the story behind it and it falls in line with a train story. Talcott West Virginia Here at the foot of the Allegheny Mountains lies a decommissioned railroad tunnel known as The Great Bend Tunnel According to folklore, this was the site of a famous legend from the 1870s about superhuman railroad worker named John Henry. The legend is that John Henry was 6'6", 280 pounds, muscular solid glistening you could see him half-a-mile away

1:13:05 The legend has it that he was born an enslavement and he had all these goals for his family coming out of enslavement. And he says, I want a good job. I want to provide for my family. Then you saw the casino railroad laying track. And John Henry shows up and says, I'm your guy The fable has it that any man who signed up to work would get 50 acres of land if they completed the railroad. And sometimes this railroad had to be completed through a mountain, and so John Henry not simply laid rail—the railroad track—but he had to drive his stake into the rock which creates enough space to then load dying life

1:13:47 John Henry was the best steel driver and then here comes a man with the steam drill. The legend speaks of this race taking place between John Henry and the machine. Yeah, it's one of my favorites! John Henry in fact we have two Bitcoin miners at the house one of them is Rosie the Riveter that's Tina's and mine is John Henry Seriously? Yeah. The machine had to have a name, right just for on the network Right I'm like what's the most famous miner i know John Henry And then John Henry battled the machine. He did, I know! And he won and then the way i remember this story... ...He died of a heart attack right on the spot after he beat the machine Yeah goggles curry Oh boy, im sorry No it was worth it But no that's just amazing that you used John Henry as the name Because this is what read me being who I am

1:14:50 You know, they break out these books. I'm like give me the black character you know this is and it was okay John Henry But you know what as i look back Back to 2020 when i was doing this uh show George Floyd has a lot of imagery to John. Yeah, a lot of the size the stature yeah Go look at those statues that they made of George Floyd It's the imagery is there and we have talked about subconscious things resonate with us when you know We don't even Realize resonate with us Wow and it didn't resonate to me until I heard her start describing No, John Henry's features and it's like hey, that's not like George Floyd which is that was that a manipulation tactic

1:15:37 Who knows or is it something just that is inherent and people gravitate toward it because? That story has been told for generations right And this is the archetype for what I was talking about before the 50 cents the LL Cool J's yeah, LeBron James even you know these myth these superhuman, you know of Super human figures that give hope. Shaq is a perfect example, which was who? The Man of Steel. Yeah. 19. As the story goes there was a competition between John Henry and the machine to see which of them could drill farting into the side of the mountain in a single day during the contest. The strength of John Henry was reportedly so powerful that the blows from his twin sledgehammers shook the mountain itself

1:16:39 The story is that the steam drill only went nine feet, John Henry went 14. And so John Henry is superhuman and more supreme than a machine. John Henry beats the machine in this competition but he passes away he dies of heart attack He dies from overexertion And what we have here is John Henry begins to symbolize this overpowering physique of a muscle man and the ability to achieve in the face of extreme odds.

1:17:22 The legend of John Henry represents this black man, this hero who did superhuman feats from the 19th century. It overshadows the harshness of the Reconstruction period but it also shows us how black men who were able-bodied and had that spirit willing to do anything they needed to provide for their families. So and this is like you said, this alludes to this they go on into the superhuman Conversation in this and that longer part at peace That lends two Superman. Let me ask your lens What do you think? The significance of is in the story so he would do anything for his family We got that but he was stronger He was better than the machine but yet at the end he dies what Christ

1:18:18 What I do without you Moe? He won, he won! But he had to die. And just as in it's gonna come up...I'm just gonna go ahead and put it out there we got to start having a conversation about AI specifically in music OK, this is the same. This is the repackage story here comes a machine that says it can outperform humans who will be the John Henry fighting against the AI music? It has to be done or they're setting it up so where it's going to be very basically build your own music. That's where they're going with this to where you write the song that you wanted to hear right

1:19:11 Now we're not, we are a long way off from that but it's fast. We're fastly approaching but we're a long way off if that makes sense because with the new modern technology is gonna be just type in the words and Drake will sing it for you. Right I mean me, you and I may be not entirely aligned on this because my feeling is Just looking at what AI is doing with words, people who really work with words are like this is crap. Yeah you can have Drake do a song the way you set it up but its always going to be Drake I haven't yet heard something new To me its all remix And that's the point he's gonna get too Its just gonna be regurgitation What it'll do is put the user center

1:20:06 Like listen to my version of Drake songs. Right, which I don't think will be very successful just to me that's not how art works Well let's just be honest 85% of people taste their music sucks And they only, and they only... I'm just being honest. And they gravitate towards what's fed to them This is what made the DJ so important because he could go through and pick these records and put together you know Ah let me say another thing i've noticed Thank you for bringing that up I know, inherently of course, repetition makes hits. But i didn't realize that even on a show that has its first episode like 6 000 people download it was not you know comes out of the blue right there's no promotion just do it and and i realized three episodes in i've played one song each show and now it's a hit

1:21:01 It's just, and only I've been playing it. One guy but to these 6,000 people like oh this song is a hit! This thing is great But I could do that with any song that's good Anything that's good That's the ear Yes yes yes but I didn't realize how well...I did realize it but not until you really understand the radio and the music business which now it's really automated If every station everywhere on the dial is pumping out the same Song for weeks at a time. It's just going to be hit unless it's a total piece of crap It's all is going to work and this is the mind-blowing thing for me, it's not necessarily the best song But it's a song that has a catchy thing That is that is presented to you over and over again And then it just becomes I wake up singing some of these songs Because you have a great taste in music if people appreciate that which

1:21:58 That's why it's called taste. I mean people a lot of people are Taste them if that's the word is like do you not taste that? It's like it'd like to palette from wine right you know you give an average person some one they don't taste the difference like mmm Taste the wood at the barrel, you know maple But Andres is still pretty popular You know comes in a box so yeah Yeah Because that's what's available to the people you know when you go when you go to the store. Yeah, and this is what? Curating is all about is I'm not gonna go to Walmart and pick my wine I'm gonna ride out to the countryside and find a vineyard right nobody heard of define that one ball of wine That's gonna shine at the dinner And this is what we're doing with music everything else which it's just not too hard from the point But you centering the curator

1:22:53 It is decentralized. I mean it's centralization and decentralizing at the same time Exactly if that makes sense yeah, focus on me trust my ear And i'm gonna give you some great music Which that's why people tune into DJs. And that's why people went to shows, because it was like oh, DJ So-and-so got a killer set! He's playing albums I never heard before he has breakbeats I've never heard before you know? To the point where you gotta start covering up your album labels you know cuz everybody gonna start trying to steal... It was like Father Curry! Yeah what do ya got? Build a curry algorithm! Like how is he thinking?! You know so um

1:23:37 With that said, I just want to show you how John Henry has went on and carried on the legend. This is Harry Belafonte in the 1950s And this is the John Henry song and we possibly can go into the donation segment after this John Henry he could hammer, he could whistle, he could sing. Went to the mountain early in the morning just to hear his hammer ring Lord, Lord just to hear his hammer ring Just to hear his hammer ring Lord, Lord just to hear his hammer ring Well John Henry was a little baby sitting on his daddy's knee

1:24:19 He picked up a hammer and little piece of steel said, Hammer be the death of me Lord God yes hammer be the death of me Yes hammer be the death of me Lord Lord yes hammer be the death of me Well John Henry's family needed money Said he didn't have but a dime If you wait till the rising sun goes down I'll get it from the men in mine Lord lord i'll get it from the man in the mine I'll get it from the man in the mine. Well, the captain said to John Henry, John Henry what can you do? I can hoist a jack, I can lay a track, I can pick and shovel too Lord God! I can pick and shovel too. I can pick and shovel too Lordy, lordy I can pick and shovel too. Well John Henry said to the captain

1:25:13 First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro and the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under their rug out on top of the table, and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it." And we are definitely doing that here today once again. Mo Fax with Adam Curry and uh... We Are Value for Value

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1:27:36 I chose to act inspired by the brave business owners who stayed open in defiance. I saw a local news story about a diner being harassed by code enforcement, people even worse than Dvorak's rat poop inspectors! That's pretty bad... I began offering pro bono legal defense of small employers to fight the citations. We represented restaurants salons even jujitsu studios and a laser tag arena When we backed the government off in every case and they ended up dropping the fines. I even got a Zoom call with the mayor, and i like to think that I helped persuade him to call off the dogs in our town And when the max vax mandates began I started offering free legal help across the country To get people exemptions and again had great success Last year I represented several people in California who were forced out of their jobs for refusing the jab and got them monetary compensation

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1:35:01 Anonymous 50 most wisdom is a blessing it sure is And that's it, that's our executive and associate executive producers for episode 93 of MoFax with Adam Curry. We'll be thanking more people including those who came in with boosts and booster grams in our second segment. And again we are very appreciative of you stepping into the value for value world and sending back the value equal to what you received and however you want to send that back is always welcome time talent or treasure Go to mofax.com directly to our donation page at mofundme.com So I know we've done a lot of talking about rap

1:35:45 But we haven't got to the rap yet and we're not gonna get too much of it in this show. Like I said, i'm laying underpinnings Of what? The higher infinite power is And why a person like uh jagger hoover and many other people Want to keep a lid on the messaging That gets out the pen is more mighty than a sword. Mm-hmm, you know and the spoken word I think is even more powerful because they can motivate people in a certain way as we heard in the first of the clips with that said this gives it this goes back to 1943 I saw multiple different dates but early 40s This is the jubilee nary jubilees

1:36:30 Noah and this possibly could be the first rap performance ever. Stop, steal and listen to me God walked down to the brand new sea He declared that he must send a man And then he decided to destroy the land He spoke to Noah, Noah stop He said Noah I want you build me an ark I want you to built it three cubits long I wan't you built it big and strong I want it twenty high and fifty wide So if we'll stand the wind inside It's oh no Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

1:37:16 Brother Noah, my God's talking. Say goodbye. the wind and tide. Well after the foundation were laid, then Noah began to hew and build. The reigning of the hammer cried judgment. The hewing of the saw cries salvation. A hundred years the hammer and saw Billin' the ox by the grace of God When the ox was done, God's voice was heard He said now Noah let me tell you what to do Call in animals two-by-two So he called them in an ox a two-by-two He called up birds and ox with their kangaroos And they call into a fight Ham and shams then God began to blood the land He raised his hands to heaven on high Shook the stars and moon from sky Shook the mountain he troubled the sea History went to his chariot

1:38:13 You can kind of hear the Negro spiritual in there. At same time, you can hear the modern rap. It sounds a lot like The Message Huh the flow and in it you're I mean from Grandmaster flash a flash in the furious fire. Yeah, if you listen to the flow is the same flow I'm gonna do it again yeah And the weird part is that It's the same instruments and to do from Norfolk Richmond. That's just a good time in voices yeah, yeah Instruments but different different all different vibe now

1:39:13 You as when you have something good going the devil always has to creep in and this was captured In the Ray Charles movie. The thief only comes into steal and kill mo. Yeah, and destroy And this is from the Ray Charles movie when he's playing gospel chords and remixing the spirituals and a secular way and this was a huge issue in this time period that and we're going to get into a little later written very soon here. But the struggle between the talent being used for God's word and monetarily gain monetary gain by the church or if secular forces could come in and draw the town away, but this is Ray Charles in the club and it gets crashed by some believers.

1:40:06 You're just giving your money to Satan! That's what you doing. Hold on, you got a problem? Yeah I got a problem. That's gospel you singing. music in the sex you're making money off the law she's right I need to come on you got a right to believe what you believe just find me a bear play about tomorrow

1:41:01 I just want to ask the folks right now, if all of y'all want me to keep playing let me hear you say Amen. And find a girl with church training that can sing without the church attitude alright? Let's go y'all! Keep it going here we go! Was this from a movie or was this an actual recording in the club? No that was Jamie Foxx Okay, playing Ray Charles in the movie right but this is well documented. This struggle was the well-documented in the five heartbeats You have family disown

1:41:43 Family members because they strayed away from the church. Yeah, there was a big gospel music outside of the church Right and there's two reasons one because of their spiritual reason but it was also economic you know reasons for them not wanting to go outside the church because this was highlighted in the color purple You had the church and then you had them building the jute joint Mm-hmm You know those were rivals right for economic reasons, you know the every dollar that goes out to the jute joint doesn't go to the church. And in the church was a big source of entertainment and that's why him and his daughter, the pastor in the church and his daughter shook Avery, you know if that was a big merging

1:42:38 at the end of the movie, one of the semi-climax moments is when she starts saying God gonna tell you something and she takes it into the church. Now that could be symbolic because that was the secular being allowed into the church house with the instruments and drums or whatever else because I have a next clip from Nellie Fuller At the time, there was big pushback for even the piano being in the church. So it was seen as the devil's box. Really? Oh man! Back in... The days when I was much younger 10-12 years old sometimes people would say that if you had a piano in the church That's the type of sound that you did not want any church If its real what you call country Baptist

1:43:33 serious Jesus-worshipping church. You do not have that devil's instrument in that church called a piano because that same type of apparatus, that same type of box was in what they call the barrel houses—the houses of ill repute The houses where you had prostitutes and people drinking bootleg liquor, etc. So you didn't want that same type of box in a house of worship There were elderly people who said that I'm not going to that church anymore They got that devil's box in there See so is that a devil's box? Maybe maybe not

1:44:24 See these are questions that should be answered. Wow, I didn't know this the devil's box like it now I wasn't around with that struggle because always Me going to church and the piano and the organ were staples in the church But I do remember Push back against a drum set Because like I said, I was raised in a Baptist Church in the South black Southern Baptist Church. Drums was seen and oh no, drums is one step too far." And I even remember this is something a conversation I remember hearing being had was the keyboard right that was a very contentious

1:45:14 Situation cuz it's like you're going away from the old gospel sound of just the organ in the piano And that's what I'm saying about to shift right? Before they wouldn't let the piano end and a piano crept in and the organ crept in then the drums crept in then the Keyboard Casio keyboard which had built-in drum system minute, and now your services sounding very secular interesting It was a huge push, but I'll remember this to this day. It was no and some even churches only saying him hymns Freed off from the hymnal sure it wasn't know we know singing what even Quote-unquote gospel music on the radio you didn't bring that in the church now You had to quote unquote I keep saying like I stopped it the inspirational choir

1:46:07 That was the younger choir and oftentimes this guy traveled around between churches because he had the keyboard. And he would do a set here, and then next week be over at this next church, and next church...and he would bring The Ringers in! You know it was one of the best shows that you could have from inspirational choir but at the same time there were slippage on what was allowed wasn't allowed. That's interesting because When I first started going to the church out here, and you know we have what we call corporate worship music. My main problem... What took some getting used to was there's no solos! It's like where is the solo? Play a guitar for like 20, five bars or something just without anyone singing. And it's very interesting how

1:47:03 You know, that's it's kind of like no. No we don't do solos in church really interesting and it's funny that you bring that up because That hill song type Bob mm-hmm. I think that was the one that Bieber went to you know that church Justin Bieber and all the stars is going to yeah this real would you call it corporate corporate worship music corporate? Yeah, and and and that by the way is he's not meant as a slam That's what its called. It's called corporate in in the form of The corporate people getting together But it's double entendre as far as I'm concerned. It was because you had me going the other way like it's like the canned worship music, no shade but... No but that's how I interpreted until I figured out oh they're serious about saying corporate music? This has a different meaning and okay double entendre is a big deal. But it sounds like the music that you premiere iPhone to right? Yeah yeah The real certain chords or whatever

1:48:03 Yeah, so that was the pushback but now we got to get into who made the crossover from gospel to secular. That is one Mr Sam Cooke and this is yeah in the OG of OGs in many ways you send me cupid Wonderful world I know them all I'd say I'm cook man. I know him all and imma give you a quick facts family story Every time Sam Cooke would come up around my grandma facts. Yeah Grandpa fats would cut his eyes at her cuz you know that was their usher there Chris Brown, you know With Sarah cooking that King Cole came with a good looking man

1:48:55 Very handsome 26 Sam opened the door for more singers than you'd ever dream of Because it was an approach to music that we didn't never think the public would accept from blacks in here He influenced most of us most of This is the story how gospel became pop and why I took a natural rule breaker like Sam cook To make it all happen The singer was an iconic figure for a new generation of African-Americans. Sam Cooke was the guy who didn't take any crap from people and it was someone who really seemed like he wanted to control his own destiny as an artist, that became a really big issue

1:49:44 starting in the 1960s about black people controlling their own art. And Sam Cooke was one of these people, one of the first people who really began to show the kind of intelligence and guts that do that. Sam Cooke had a lifestyle that was beyond the dreams of most black Americans He was a major star, a successful businessman and lived in a house on Hollywood Hills It was everything he had dreamed of as a small boy growing up in Chicago's South Side. I was seven years old Sam was nine And we talked to him one day and he had 12 sticks. And he would stick these sticks in the ground So one day, I said man why you always sticking them sticks in the ground like that? He said LC, I'm preparing myself These sticks are pretending this is my audience Like they people, so when I get to an audience I won't be scared of saying

1:50:44 He said, because I'm never gonna work in life. So I said what you mean you're never gonna work? He said, I'ma be a singer! He said, I'ma have money in my pocket every day. the multi-part series. The number of sticks is not lost on me, number 12. Right that part as well and this is one time about anointing people know when they are given a gift and Sam Cooke it was one of the special ones

1:51:27 And you're gonna hear in the next clip how special he was because he broke the mold on not only crossing over but stylistically as well. Joining a group like the Soul Stars meant a life of touring, following a circuit known as the Gospel Highway. Although it has now faded into memory in the 1950's The Gospel Highway was exciting place to be as any in America and was trodden by quartet groups numerous gospel divas and traveling preachers We were traveling along the gospel highway stopping in little cities and little towns, and sometimes having church in the field. Sometimes having church in a tent with sawdust and chairs and people bringing fans and food and all kinds of things

1:52:30 For all its religious trappings, the Gospel Highway was a form of show business and the artists' touring schedules were carefully mapped out to maximize their possible earnings. It meant that you wanted to hit North Carolina in the tobacco states right after the tobacco harvest was in, because then your audience had some money in their pockets. And you could turn out a church and there'd be donations and the minister wanted you there. You wanted to get down south in the winter you know, farther south Florida and so on when people would go down there because of the weather and there'd be people down there with money. And that was all part of The Gospel Highway it was mapped out to the degree where any given year you could almost tell where a group was going to be cause that month is when there was money in Memphis or wherever it was. Yeah he was a businessman as well. And there was infrastructure laid out way before even showed up

1:53:35 that you're going to be here. Like I said, in North Carolina you'll be in Durham, North Carolina doing the right at tobacco harvest or whatever, you know the agriculture flow was and I remember these tent revivals. I went to a few of them, you know that showed up every year when I was younger with my grandmother that it would be a tent, you know, be hot as fish grease but you will be in this tent but I want to stress the fact, the importance of these things to keep people moving and motivated. A lot of times in our intellectual outlook we see like oh why are you going down there to give your money to a pastor?

1:54:27 But it's churches like their og value for value. You know, it's like whatever you got out of it I don't know Our pastor always says value for value that's a God thing man That's a god thing that's what he always says cuz what you got out of it you put back into it so Now there is gouging. I'm not gonna be naive and say there's not gouging but four old ladies This is their chance to dress up. Yeah, put their nice hat on You know even though they've been underneath scrubbing all week this is their chance to go and sit and be Queens like I'm wiry they shot it shot the Queen crown right off her head you know that kind of thing yeah

1:55:18 You know, so is that was their social club and these were their social event. And it was a whole system that showed up before Sam Cooke even showed up but he had a certain talent that crossed over which jeopardized the whole no system ally of Jackie Robinson in Negro League Same way. Yeah, when it was they got in and start picking up the talent is the same collapses cuz you don't have the talent Now let's hear about this Super talented person called Sam cook He had a smooth voice he had a smooth deliverance I

1:56:11 And in those days, most gospel singers had a cruff voice. They were able to get throaty they would get But Sam was always, you know, there was a woman in the Bible days. He was so smooth with it and he was like an exception You would think you were at a nightclub because he was good-looking I mean the guy was a hunk Pretty. We loved it, everybody had a crush on Sam Cooke In the gospel world they were all in front of the auditorium screaming with their hands up and trying to touch his feet and trying to touch his clothes And I mean he had strings when we walk off stage they'd all run to the back of the stage Trying to get his autograph, trying to get a hug, trying to get a kiss whatever they could get just to be near him

1:57:13 I'm so glad you're doing this. This is Sam Cooke has not talked about anymore his his role in For some as so many different reasons out of him came Rolling Stones, I mean also also listen to Sam Cooke I mean so much the British invasion a lot the Beatles a lot of people listened to Sam Cooke He was very influential he changed the paradigm To where he was so smooth It was able to cross over. Yeah, whereas like she was saying with the hollering with the hoop and you know that translated into gospel music this opened it up for a different crowd and A parallel I'd like drop draw is we Rock him like rap was very hardcore You know power, you know my kind of did the did the did the did the do

1:58:08 And Rakim came and said, no I'll be smooth with it. And it changed the whole flow of how people rap. That's why they call him the God in C because he changed the whole way this thing was done where it went from the Run DMC kind of powerful bar even with Chuck D to what Sam Cook did, this smooth Ride the beat kind of you know in a way. We're also no saying losing it the power behind it I don't I don't know much about Rock him rock him. I'm sorry a bit air beer rock him well Yeah, that's exactly that's all I know Eric be rocking That's it what but you know why the same reason you were here by Sam cook The real pioneers they bury yeah And then they put in there what people call today the industry plants

1:59:00 This is how it works. We take off the originators and we put in our plants or people that we can control Right, this is why I laid this show out the way idea Yeah, if they can't really harness the power It's kind of like electricity they just have to lay two lines and in Spirit where they can yeah, it's uncontrollable Yeah, you're upsetting me now. Well I the guy who can ultimately controlled Sam Cooke is Alan Klein We're gonna get there okay? No, I actually met him I know the guy or he's gone now but this is the reason another reason all excited about this show because

1:59:52 From your perspective you can fill in certain gaps. You know of all this is what was going on with LQJ This is no Alan clown or whatever I was pretty sure you knew some of these people and I would excited to hear Your engagement with them sure even more so on the next show it's gonna be very riveting Okay, but let's get back to this y'all do we stop at 2.6? We're yeah two sixes what's next Alright, let's go. If you sing gospel music you're a saint whether you left it or not You know you could drink booze, you could run women, you can chase, you can do everything you wanted to but you were okay as long as you stuck to gospel

2:00:37 It is so crazy now that I look at it. Lifestyle didn't go with the song! I remember him telling me one afternoon, we got to the auditorium quite early and we sat there on steps of auditorium and he confided in me that he was getting ready to cross over to secular music And I was saying to myself God, He's gonna cross over to secular music What if he doesn't make it? They're not gonna let him come back in. So I'm like, Sam you better know what you're doing Crossing over was considered an act of betrayal by many in the gospel community If he didn't want to alienate his gospel fan base Sam would need to tread very carefully so crossing over of course has Religious connotations that hadn't thought about your cross and over your crossing over to the dark side It was two crossovers

2:01:35 So to the far, this thing about like this. The far right was staying black and gospel. Right? Now Sam was going to go over to the instead of touring churches touring jute joints what they call that quote unquote I did it again the um chitlin circuit you know who got me doing that no Nellie Fuller. Nellie Fuller is to blame all right stop it Nellie Yeah, because he does it. It is the that's not a point that you're aware of your words can be taken another way but the Chitlin circuit That was the two paths You could go on the gospel circuit or you could go on the chitlin circuit But if you had the talent that Sam Cooke had you could cross over to actual white ears explain chitlin

2:02:32 Chitlin circuit that was basically the the jute joints, you know actual word chitlin. Oh, that's some pig intestines that Would turn it to a southern delicacy Which another thing is it's amazing how when certain group of people do things It's all that country. That's backwards. That's whatever that's pig intestines, right? But then you can eat tripe and that's like oh now it now is different, you know Perception is hell man. It's something else but not that was the that was the crossover he was going from the far right

2:03:13 to the far left. Now what was seen as a bigger betrayal? Crossing over out of the church or crossing over to white audiences, or was that seen as a betrayal as well? It's equal! Because the church people were like oh you're leaving us to go sing the devil music and the black secular fans are like oh you're leaving us to go sing for white people You know it's it's a shame that that's always been seen as a bad thing Because it actually, it's... It hampers the human experience. Well here is the thing though because if like say podcasting for instance right? Say you built no agenda up to what it is and then somebody comes along hey Curry we'll cut you a check for so-and-so so-and-so for complete creative control Okay but that's different from

2:04:17 Let me just think about that for a second. So was playing for white audiences, was that inherently equal to giving up his creative control? Yes, it still is today because when you sign a record deal they pick the records that go on the album You can make all that you can make a thousand records. You know There are black owned labels I just want to point out that you know the record labels by themselves have inherent evilness to them no matter what color owns them No, what I'm saying is this that you're giving up the creative control because some group of people are gonna pick your sound. Okay all right okay That's just like they're saying Curry you can't play that clip You know it's like you coming with a hundred clips and they get to pick the 25 that's gonna go on the show for me or you Right It's like we did the work but your... Go back to the word curating again Your curating what you think is going be most palatable To the wider audience

2:05:19 Right. Which that, you know what's the word? What they call it water down. You know that's you're going commercial because you're looking at hitting the numbers not keeping true to the right. They got where you're right and that is necessary and true in a limited system where a small or a group owns the distribution is really about distribution No, that's that's where did that and the shows yeah cuz It's also distribution the shows were distributions all distribution. That's why live nation is so huge because they own the venues Yeah, yeah You on the rights to the venues you get to pick who was on the stage? And Sam was a problem. So do you get 2.1? I

2:06:18 On December 11th 1964 Sam Cooke, one of America's biggest pop idols checked in to a cheap Los Angeles motel in a run-down part of town. He never checked out In his brief life, Sam Cooke managed to change popular music forever and set the standard for every singer who dared to follow him. One of gospel music's greatest stars, Sam Cooke pioneered the transformation of black church music into mainstream pop

2:07:13 You couldn't have the popular music that we have today without that crossover from the church to pop music. I mean, one of the foundations of pop music as we know it is gospel music. America was shocked when this child at the church was brutally killed after an argument in a motel But by the time of his death he had inspired a generation of singers to turn the church music they had grown up with into the soundtrack of modern America Yeah, it was killed by black woman I think who owned the motel

2:07:56 Allegedly There is of course a case to be made that all the singers who have real influence Eventually are eliminated one way or the other either by nature or by God or by evil Tupac you know, my memory serves me correct Think he was killed in December 64 Malcolm was killed in February of 65 And there's some connection between them two as we're going to see here, but let's get more into the unsolved death of Sam Cooke. Later in the year Sam heard Bob Dylan song Blowing In The Wind and was moved by its lyrics he felt that if a white songwriter could write such a moving song about race perhaps he should write one too. The final spur came from Martin Luther King's I Have A Dream speech

2:08:49 Sam claimed that A Change Is Gonna Come came to him in a dream as a whole, complete song. Sam had long been a supporter of the civil rights movement and A Change Is Gonna Come was adopted by the movement as one of their anthems. A single of the song did not appear until two weeks after Sam's death The song was amended and re-recorded before release as a single. Sam devoted a great deal of time and effort writing the song, and it's considered to be his most influential composition. It has consistently appeared in Greatest Songs lists and has found a place in the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry. He was known to be sympathetic to the aims of the civil rights movement and expressed his views in song and through interviews

2:09:29 Taken at face value, his death seemed straightforward. He was shot by the night manager of a motel who feared he was going to attack her. She claimed she acted in self-defense. The authorities accepted her explanation and declared the death to be justifiable homicide. Many others including his friends, family and various witnesses disagreed with him and the events surrounding Sam's death have been debated ever since. Yeah, yeah. Well the timing is indeed curious and especially with The song coming out in a remix version after he died? Yeah, they did some late minute changes. Tweaking! Some tweaking And this is the point I was trying to make Excuse me about creative control Sam we don't think those couple of lines Right Will register with the demographics Can you go back and re-record that Now let me make it clear

2:10:29 There is a sweet spot to Where these frequencies meet case in point? Some of the best Ozzy Brothers songs are covers of white artists really, you know The song I seen fire. I see rain. Yes as James Taylor yes go listen to the Ozzy Brothers version but so it's Summer dreams make me feel fine. That's another cover, which I don't know which who covered who? I'm not sure the time on that but a lot of their greatest songs are covered But yet and still is so different that it's almost his own song Like you could take somebody to cover North of Richmond

2:11:19 Yeah, and remix it a certain way that it would be you know on the Parallel with um with Sam's cook song which was one of the last Negro spirituals there is interesting Change is gonna come. Yeah that that right? There is is quintessential Negro spiritual The way it moves you, I don't care who you are. When the first set of chords start playing it invokes emotion unless you just can't feel, I'm sorry

2:11:59 But it was still tailored you're right now Sam You can't take that line out. Take this line out Can't say this can't say that and if steel goes on to today summer because you could save it Summer breeze with seals and crofts see yeah, you're right Wow some of their best songs were covers in there That's what blew me cuz I'm like And they sing the Ozzy Brothers, but when you go back and listen You know it's like no They're actually doing covers of other people that so interesting because Elvis you know was accused of being the white guy singing in the black songs Yes, and a black man taught him how to dance which is going right Which is by definition an actual right past them. It's an actual crossover. That's lit right past you I'm sorry. I said for us go a black man taught him how to dance yeah

2:12:54 Got that's what the movie was about This is a quick facts moment Forrest Gump was about him being biracial Right. Yeah, you do realize that I know yes, I know that when you look at the limbs through that movie Just to speak on how powerful art is it wasn't his intelligent level while he was treated differently right? Yes Yeah, I got you. And that was allude to like him teaching Elvis how to dance and then on TV Elvis is dancing and all they bubba buddy and seats taken and all that All that is illusion to who the real mr. Gump was but So good so good yes

2:13:46 I digress, but let's go ahead and get into part two. On December 11th 1964 Sam Cooke booked a room in the Hacienda Motel in LA with a girl named Elisa Boyer She had been booked as Mrs. Cooke But in fact she and Sam had eaten at a restaurant in town And then came to the hacienda together Sam's infidelities were well known And he had fathered at least three children illegitimately In a room of the motel Elisa Boyer claimed that Sam tore off her clothing And she feared that he was going to rape her When he went to the bathroom, she grabbed her clothes and fled. In grabbing her clothes, she also scooped up most of Sam's clothes. When he came out of the bathroom, he realized what happened and gave chase." Elisa meantime had tried to raise The Night Manager and hide in her office. The Night Manager was too slow in coming to the office door and Elisa fled to the street

2:14:33 Sam reached the office and thinking Elisa was in there demanded entry. He was dressed only in a jacket and with one shoe The night manager was a woman named Bertha Franklin, and seeing that Sam was angry and aggressive grabbed a gun and shot him in the chest. Sam lunged towards her and she hit him several times with a broom handle The gunshot had been fatal though And Sam collapsed and died on the floor of the office That's the official story and the one recorded by police Ah okay this is the only story I know There are, however, a number of inconsistencies we have to highlight. Firstly, restaurant staff and customers where the pair had eaten claimed Sam had a large quantity of money with him. Ostensibly this was to buy Christmas gifts – that money was never recovered

2:15:22 Bertha Franklin had at one time been an operator of a brothel, and rumors persisted after the killing that she and Boyer, who had worked as prostitutes before, were running a scam. Boyer would find victims and offer to sleep with them but the two women would pickpocket them and then cry rape. Franklyn had shot a motel guest in similar circumstances just six months earlier. Those who viewed Sam's body when it had been laid out in his coffin were alarmed at the beating he must have taken before he died. Reliable witnesses like Etta James claimed that a broom handle could not have caused the injuries they saw. Sam's head had been almost severed, and he was bruised and cut to a major extent. What is the real story? We can only guess! There are some who suggest that Alan Klein – Sam's manager might've been behind the murder…

2:16:05 Sam's death would give Klein ownership of the rights to Sam's back catalogue. He does seem an unlikely culprit as a living Sam would produce more songs and so bring more wealth to Klein. Another popular theory is that government agencies such as the FBI or CIA were prime movers in the murder. Perhaps they wished to remove a civil rights activist whose popularity they feared? It's argued that Franklin and Boyer were implicit in a deal that guaranteed them immunity from prosecution for other crimes. This theory tries to explain the injuries Sam sustained by suggesting he was beaten up by government agents before being shot, Whether the shot was fired by Franklin or someone else can't be proven. It may or may not be relevant to note that Elisa Boyer was arrested the following month for agreeing to have sex with an undercover police officer for $40 dollars. Fifteen years later, she was charged with manslaughter and convicted of shooting her then-boyfriend.

2:16:57 All right, well this is much more believable than the other story. Particularly FBI and CIA of course you know we would believe were complicit in Martin Luther King's shooting mm-hmm Alan Klein I would say knowing him he was feared and revered in the music business I met him once at probably the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame dinner it was like Alan Klein oh yeah actually he's like the Suge Knight Was he the Suge Knight of uh... You know, and I actually recall having no i think we had a meeting. We had a meeting and now this is going to be 2000 not long before he died actually maybe four years before he died. I think he died in the mid-2000s

2:16:05 Sam's death would give Klein ownership of the rights to Sam's back catalogue. He does seem an unlikely culprit as a living Sam would produce more songs and so bring more wealth to Klein. Another popular theory is that government agencies such as the FBI or CIA were prime movers in the murder. Perhaps they wished to remove a civil rights activist whose popularity they feared? It's argued that Franklin and Boyer were implicit in a deal that guaranteed them immunity from prosecution for other crimes. This theory tries to explain the injuries Sam sustained by suggesting he was beaten up by government agents before being shot, Whether the shot was fired by Franklin or someone else can't be proven. It may or may not be relevant to note that Elisa Boyer was arrested the following month for agreeing to have sex with an undercover police officer for $40 dollars. Fifteen years later, she was charged with manslaughter and convicted of shooting her then-boyfriend.

2:16:57 All right, well this is much more believable than the other story. Particularly FBI and CIA of course you know we would believe were complicit in Martin Luther King's shooting mm-hmm Alan Klein I would say knowing him he was feared and revered in the music business I met him once at probably the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame dinner it was like Alan Klein oh yeah actually he's like the Suge Knight Was he the Suge Knight of uh... You know, and I actually recall having no i think we had a meeting. We had a meeting and now this is going to be 2000 not long before he died actually maybe four years before he died. I think he died in the mid-2000s

2:17:47 And it was about music on the internet. Maybe, no... It was before it was- No I'm wrong! It was in the late 90's and I just remember how intimidating he was but you know we took the meeting and he was feared and revered. Knowing that just a little bit of client, I don't think he would have. He could make more money and eventually get the rights and do whatever he wanted without having to have Sam Cooke killed. I think he's definitely kind of guys like as long as they own you. I don't care. Just keep doing it. Keep doing what you're doing

2:18:30 And of course there's some credence, there are some credence lended to that because people will say why was Suge Knight killed Tupac? He you know saying he was signed to a long-term record deal. But there's this thing that cropped up in the rap community that their rappers get better promotion. Well dead rappers and as we now know arrested rappers Go to jail get a hit. This is what 45 Savage is witnessing Yes, he's taking the drill rap formula Catch a case and you to the top of charts yeah

2:19:13 What it didn't do is the Alan Klein Sam Cooke relationship and you know did not help the the struggle between Black Americans and Jewish Americans, you know that really is one of those relationships like see? See who's in charge. You know that's kind of what that did which I still think That's overplayed When you look at who's the institutional money behind these record labels, it is bigger than that. Now all they use is Tazman. But see that's the thing he realized that even when the money gets big enough

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2:30:40 Motives and possible ways Sam Cooke was taken out. Oh good. We're back where we haven't finished with the mystery good I like oh, no So we have the The course the record label you could point a finger at you know disgruntled But that doesn't really make a lot of sense to kill the goose that lays the golden egg No That's not know it The case where if they're leaving and not under contract maybe but it doesn't make much sense now you got where he Just got with a prostitute and she tried to like trick roll him But I don't think he's gonna take it that far over some money even though. It's Christmas money You can't

2:31:29 If nothing else, you cannot go home without the Christmas money. You know how I feel about Christmas? The baby's got to have Christmas." So maybe that sent him over the edge who knows but then we also have the intelligence agencies, were they trying to stop a person that had the ear of the people Let's go ahead and get to number 35. This is from Al profit, he does great work on documentaries or document documenting this kind of history. Uh, 35 back in December 64 Sam cook was a huge star but unlike almost all black entertainers at the time he was looking towards black economic self-empowerment record label you assigned with RCA pushing Sam towards crossing over more

2:32:17 to the white consumer. His song about the Jim Crow South, A Change Gonna Come had lyrics that were cut out by RCA as they didn't want to upset the white audience buying Sam's records but Sam Cooke felt there was room for both in his life and as his music career grew so did his political activism. When Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammad Ali and defeated Sonny Liston for the heavyweight championship in 1964, Sam Cooke was there along with Malcolm X from The Nation of Islam after the newly christened Muhammad Ali won the match he was seen on television in front all the news reporters

2:32:59 bringing up Sam Cooke and paying his respects. I didn't know any of that, so you got Sam Cooke Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali the as Muhammad Ali called him the number one rock star in the world now you got the heavyweight champion in the world and Malcolm X being the people's champ on the side of civil rights. The trifecta right there interesting that will make a lot of people nervous yeah

2:33:46 If you have them and you have in the background Elijah Muhammad, how do you want to see it lurking in the background. And possible big money out of Texas backing him up but that's another show for another day. Who was president at the time? Was it Johnson? No because let's see 64? No, was it Kennedy? Kennedy was elected in 60 right or 64. Now Kennedy was killed in 63 so that must have been Johnson yeah you had to be Johnson yeah the racist okay makes sense well I can say is it goes very deep and we'll get there one day but this is the problem now thing it presented itself as you got somebody on and this is national television

2:34:46 You got Muhammad Ali changing his name, but that's a bigger problem within itself. And like I said you got the what scared them more is not the militancy it's the do for self mentality that's very disruptive to the economic system If you let this kind of thinking catch on, but let's go ahead and get in the 36. Later that evening Sam Cooke, Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X were hanging out together and this photograph appeared in FBI reports targeting black activists considered dangerous. Sam Cook with Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X two of the most controversial at least to white America figures of the time

2:35:31 This was not the crowd RCA wanted Sam Cooke to be a part of. If it was known that Cooke was potentially working with people that provoke change and potential uprising, RCA would lose a lot of money. Well if you observe what's going on and try to figure out how people are thinking and determine the times of your day I think you can always write something where the people will understand Around the same time Sam Cooke got the idea to get some of the top African American singers To pool their money together and form their own record label and booking company Now at the time, The Italian Mafia was at the height of its power And it was truly a shadow second government in America that had nearly totally

2:36:16 control of the music business. Sam Cooke would get phone calls and visits from mafia figures telling him you better leave the music industry alone. Mafia members would enter Sam's dressing room, they would pose threats in front of Sam's friends and family but Cooke wasn't having it Okay, two things. One on no agenda Dvorak brought some new information a month or two ago as Bobby the K is now in the picture and you know of course we still don't have the full JFK files released even though that legally should have happened by now and The thinking is that it was the mafia who killed JFK

2:37:02 And the embarrassment that neither CIA nor FBI could stop it from happening is the reason why that information has not yet been given out. Now, that kind of works in this timeline with those same agents... With a mafia having all this power and threatened I mean maybe even power going directly to the government? Yeah! And I alluded to some big money out of Texas Once again, you forced my hand. You have it. Just always do it. Ali I gotta OOP it on home. Yeah HL Hunt are you familiar with him? Big oil money out of Texas huge or money out of Texas Very seldom talked about but he was the money

2:37:59 Behind it this goes I gotta do this quickly at the wrap of my last show. I found out about this ongoing feud which covers basically what about the orange people right you have the American kind of cowboy kind of mentality versus the northeastern Wasp mentality sure there's his war called the Yankees verse to Cowboys and We're well aware of the Yankee side, the Rockefellers, the Carnegies whatever else but there was another force on the opposite side for the Cowboys one being H.L Hunt which H. L Hunt had Hoover in his back pocket and a mob in his back pocket oh and so he might have been the money behind the Kennedy assassination to get a Texan boy Johnson in there exactly

2:38:59 Because his understanding, it's supposed to have been Johnson from the beginning but the WASP and they were letting the candidates into that group because you know what I'm saying? A master of fortune. That once he got to the convention He realized that his candidate was not going to be selected And that is why he had to take Johnson Now there are paper trails that say he might have been involved in the execution of Malcolm X Martin Luther King and the Kennedy brothers. There's one other name in this trifecta that is actually a fourth name, Jim Brown Yes Jim Brown was in that mix as well with Malcolm and with Muhammad Ali and with Sam Cooke And this why you see this divide between you know the quote on... Boulay Yeah Because the Boulay is not

2:40:02 you and unanimous or one force. You have the Jim Browns, you have those people on one side of it and then you have the intellectuals on the other side of it. Hold on a second. What? Stop saying quote unquote Moe. The bullet just said... Oh thank you! Was that the quote-unquote bullet phone ringing? That's what I was No, but it's a bad habit. I'll break it that's okay don't worry about it no It is the faux pas my mind. It's just something I have to work on doing but Yeah you had to open on home that Kennedy thing when she start looking into it yeah There are so many strings and so much power But it all draws goes back to the same point for few points interesting. You know

2:40:58 But going back to the Sam Cooke murder, let's get into part 37. But Cook wasn't having it. It's said that he rejected everything thrown at him and said he was gonna do it anyway, and it got to the point that Sammy Davis Jr was tapped by shadowy figures of organized crime to reach out to Cook and tell him he better listen to the Italians. So during 1964, Cook's RCA contract was up for renegotiation, and Sam had his manager Allen Klein renegotiate the contract to include Sam's own record label What do you hope to do in the future? You're doing different things now, aren't ya? Well now Dick I'm working mostly with other young singers.

2:41:39 It was supposed to be a new one called Tracy Unlimited with Sam as the president and Alan Klein as the secretary. They would find and own all of the new music After pouring through the contracts and papers personally, Cook realized that his manager had sold him out In actuality Sam Cook would be an employee of Tracy Unlimited which would be owned by Alan Klein On a Thursday, he was gonna fly to New York and make a lot of changes including firing Allen Klein but he never made it through that weekend. Yeah sounds familiar the here's your own late record labels scam

2:42:18 the shingles. It's basically, yeah you're still under Universal or CBS or fill in the blank of this big record label but we create you a shingle that you can... You're signed to us but you could sign other artists to yourself which we still get a piece off of I went through this with the music that I was like i'm not signing nothing The best way not to get screwed is don't sign anything And I've always had this mentality and, you know just to highlight the point that this show is hip-hop.

2:42:56 In itself. Mommy, look at me now! I'm serious that rap albums don't drop when they supposed to you know it's do you stay true to your fans or do you go for a bigger audience? All this is way the independence that we have um that we can say whatever we want to say yep We don't have a boule phone like Sam Cooke had Where Sammy Davis jr. Is calling a talk to your boy? Yeah, the Italians tell you to talk to your boy That's that that's the best of men test the boot. That's how the boo-ley phone work is

2:43:38 You know somebody I know can you get him on the phone or can you send them a message? He needs to cut it out. And if you don't adhere Then you don't make it wherever you trying to go Literally, and this is why podcasting is a problem and you know, I've been following we've got University people studying podcasting we've got the Southern Poverty Law Center Studying podcast is a real problem this podcasting. Yeah, podcasting is a problem It's like we can't we can't seem to D platform people everywhere Fresh and fit took it hit I don't know what they thought it was gonna do They will stay on YouTube platform and doing what they were doing but that was just another hit yeah, and

2:44:25 I know i'm going to upset some people by this but you know it is what it is. What's the dude's name? Andrew Tate! Yeah To me screams industry plant Oh interesting, I mean I have no interest in looking at him It just hasn't never interested me so I've never really taken a look at it This is where I'm talking about when they push the real people to the side Mr Kevin Samuels who has the weirdest death I've ever heard of. I've never heard anybody dying of hypertension, I've talked to multiple... Now it could be the root cause or the comorbidity but they're the cause of death, hypertension usually it's a stroke or whatever else but I digress exit Kevin Samuels enter Andrew Tate

2:45:18 He has industry plant written all over him a lot of sip it's upsets A lot of people will not say this he's divided the bit con Inc If you notice people are taking sides for and against him. I understand it if you got a smaller platform, you gotta out fight the competition so you take that risk to be on his side but then you have the more established bitcon inc like i don't want to touch him and our girl candy candace owens yeah she went full oprah form oh yeah

2:46:01 which I call her the conserved Oprah. It's been a while so we got a lot to talk about. Yeah, but that's interesting in this case because she is part of Daily Wire and Daily Wire in turn has some pretty interesting Texans footing the bill there? Yes What is it with Texas? Which they've been doing this forever. HL Hunt had one of the biggest radio shows there is, he was the precursor to Infowars that kind of thing of making strict conservative content and honestly when Jordan Peterson joined The Wire that's when it started to get really weirdly political

2:46:52 You know, you get your talking points. I mean exactly something changed there with him that just is off putting to me it's like uh yeah i like his message i like you know all the stuff he says about masculinity and men and young man and all this and then and then all of a sudden he's dropping in politics like feels weird when you work for the company you gotta take the company talking point yeah and with that comes comfort Cuz it's like, as long as I hit my marks you know i'ma be employed and this is why Steven Crowder thing was such a while. I brought it up Everyone's got their own version of it Yeah, and we see play out every day since that in our product. You know the

2:47:41 the actual boule phone. We see instantaneously, somebody says something they gotta go back on it. They got to change how they're looking but just to wrap up Candace Owens thing I think she's on shaky ground because of what she did with Ye and she's looking for exit strategy that is my analysis on that situation cause this goes to a bigger conversation than when you go corporate Yeah. Where do you go after corporate's done with you? You know, like seriously... No it's very difficult there's only one way

2:48:23 And that's poverty podcasting. That's the only place you can still go to, but yet it takes a lot of stamina and work and honesty to do it. Talent sales! If nothing else if you make a stellar product they're going to find you. It is what it is. But going back to Sarah Cook who also made a stellar product This is my Conspiracy can I get some theory? It's been a while since we've be we have some fear. I know I caught you flat-footed But this is gonna take this is gonna crank it up for you there. We go Oh Moe's going off the reservation everybody put on your tinfoil hat here. Here we go with some conspiracy theories, we love it This is where this is where we've always and we've always connected our conspiracies Yes And this isn't this is one for you

2:49:22 I believe Sam Cooke was dosed with LSD, went batshit crazy and that's why he ended up being shot. Who shot him? I don't know but at this time period and in this area CIA agents and people affiliated with the agency were known to dose Johns unbeknownst to them- Yes. To watch the effects Yeah, are you on board? You're saying like what we doing. Yes I'm definitely um There's a what is the guy's name who jumped out of his hotel room he that was the whole story was exactly that oh I forget his name But I don't know why I knew it and I saw it when I was doing this research, but I didn't get his name in the clip But they mentioned in America's war on drills the CIA Frank Olson Frank Olsen That's it Frank Olson yeah

2:50:24 So let's listen to how History Channel captures how this whole setup would work and let's see if it works with the Sam Cooke theory. Two American spies have just arrived at Sandos Laboratories, one of the world's leading pharmaceutical factories. The mission cornered the market on the world supply of a powerful new psychoactive drug The CIA was scared stiff the KGB who's gonna get all this LSD and come over and start dosing people So we bought every drop of LSD in existence at that point. The CIA has just authorized the purchase of 10 kilograms of pure lsd-25 enough to dose more than half the population of the United States They gave it to George White and let George start dosing people George Hunter white

2:51:18 A larger-than-life undercover federal narcotics agent, unbeknownst to his supervisors White also works for the CIA. His job? To conduct experiments for an operation called Midnight Climax. Ooh! I didn't know about this one... Yep, Midnight Climax Okay, oh yeah Hmm. Entry? I'm in, of course! You can roll the dice. No, let's go to 39. George had a CIA safe house stocked with booze. George would sit behind this one-way mirror drinking martinis sitting on a portable toilet

2:52:03 If he had to take a leak, he didn't want to get up and leave. White pays prostitutes to lure their clients to the agency's safe house. Hookers would bring these suckers back to the apartment and dose them with pure LSD-25 This is where I have my effect in the mind This is lysergic acid diethylamide Better known as acid. The powerful drug was first synthesized in 1938 in Switzerland With a dose of mere micrograms, the mind becomes confused Perception is distorted Personal identity is called into question The results can be euphoric bliss or deadly panic

2:52:44 White takes meticulous notes and files his reports to a CIA handlers. So that was how LSD was introduced to this country. Operation Midnight Climax is part of the larger top secret CIA program called MK Ultra. The goal, learn how to control and even reprogram people's minds I mean, the timing is right. It's obviously not a stretch we've got the prostitute there... We've got all the elements that totally could have been part of what happened with Sam Cooke but then did he go so crazy they had to kill him?

2:53:22 I think that, and uh...I think he was dosed unintentionally. Not that we're gonna dose Sam Cooke! It's that you meet prostitutes which this woman later identified as a prostitute and the woman who shot him was later then identified as a madam And that hotel was down near or on Figueroa which is known as the stroll for prostitution Think he just caught a bad wing got Cardi B This is this this tale as old as you know and in and For because it doesn't make sense to me. You get beat for money Yeah, you're running out naked chasing people with one shoe And then you turn it up to that level where somebody has to shoot you and then your beating the

2:54:18 To almost being decapitated. Yeah, yeah over money I mean we're talking about Sam cook here. I mean i'm sure he's been beat before But to take it to that level and be disrobed in that manner and running around the streets naked Half-naked with one shoe on that just That's a hard that's a hard one for me to swallow first time cook Yeah The only other guy I know who did that was Richard Pryor when he was on fire. And Martin Lawrence, remember? He went crazy too yeah and then there was Lionel Richie but that's because his wife was beating him. Isn't it funny that psychedelics now are just becoming back in vogue? Not just in vogue...I mean we've got suburban white housewives microdosing

2:55:13 It's a thing. Oh, it's a thing Moe! It's the thing we got you know luxury trips where you go to some island or Mexico or maybe Jamaica and You know it's like $10,000 for a couple of days and you have a professional who's going to take you through psychedelics oh yeah this is a huge thing right now That's what we talked about on the Will Smith and Chris Rock show. The ayahuasca! Yes, yeah... And the funny part is that it starts with the intellectual crowd if we just lean on a TV show as our representation of history and mad men Yeah It was the intellectual rich crowd that was dropping their ass at first

2:56:06 So I mean we're right back. We were right back where we started and nothing changes come up with a new script fellas But I just think that this is more plausible to me what was in the self, I mean everybody identifies him as a ladies man. A smooth guy to go raging like that to the point where he has to be shot and beaten so but that does negate the whole theory of well he was too influential you know this was a problem It seems like he was controlled. He always gonna say, he seems like he was complying okay I'll take those lines out no problem i'll just keep going That's why I don't think it was the record label No! It doesn't make any sense for them to do it And I and I don't think that oh we gotta take you know I don't think the agency was like Oh we gotta take Sam Cook out either You know because they had a control of him contractionally Right I didn't think he just ran across uh a government op

2:57:13 It went wrong very possible mo This this is from a legit CIA former CIA agent if there's such thing Speaking to Joe Rogan and he gives more insight to the midnight climax. A lot of these things were funded Through cutouts, so you'd set up again. This is you know early 50s mid-50s early 60s it set up financing vehicles through, say, what appear to be

2:57:49 non-threatening grant programs from research institutes. So you'd loop in academic institutions or researchers, and MKUltra had at least acknowledged anyway over 80 academic institutions and others that were either wittingly or unwittingly working on their behalf in various research programs So yeah, this midnight climax program basically they'd kid out a safe house as a brothel and they would have the hookers slip LSD or whatever substance to the Johns. And then behind a mirror you'd have suppose it like a researcher right? I mean this is where it got weird sitting there having a drink and watching these

2:58:40 You know the hooker and the John have sex and then they'd be analyzing the impact of the LSD on them in terms Of their ability to talk And would they was a hooker in on it yeah, the hooker was in on it, and we see an employee of the CIA No you don't and it was it wasn't just the agency. You know like the army was involved in these things For D or Dietrich did you did you see him avoid that question? Yeah? Yeah? It was the hooker And then he goes on to answer another question. That was very smooth, Mr Agency Man. Well because there's no such thing as a former CIA agent

2:59:19 Let's hear that one more this that little piece again We can pick it up from there and then they'd be analyzing the impact of the LSD on them in terms of their ability to talk And and would they hook her in on yeah, the hooker was in on it, and we see an employee of the CIA No you know and it was See like the army was involved in these things as well but They would get you know cash payments oftentimes the Get out of jail free card You know what ladies if you're out yeah, if you're out there listen to me come on Whatever you need I'm forward. I'm here for that for Mmm. What was that from that was Joe Rogan? Was that Joe yeah interesting

3:00:09 Joseph is are they still alive? Yeah, we need to talk to them. We need to bring him up here No, no, no, no none of that none of that nah But bet that's how it rolled Wow That straight from the horse his mouth and what caught me my attention was these university cutouts yeah I've pointed to the universities from day one when you look at all the sexual studies, race studies. What's the other one? Right up to Professor Ted Stanford University right and even

3:00:51 the critical theory, all the Marxism, the Frankfurt School. Everything! All comes through the universities all of it and then of course the universities create teachers and they go in and they start corrupting the middle schools And you know what else came out of university? The Harvard Report this is Logan Westbrook a mover and shaker. I don't know if you know him or not, you seem like everybody in the biz but this is Loder Westbrook and he... This is an older clip and he's gonna describe the Harvard report which is CBS would you like to tell people what you call CBS? Oh they're Central Intelligence Broadcasting Systems Okay CBS commissions Harvard

3:01:37 to do a study 50 years ago. Are you seeing the timeline here with hip hop? I'm with you, we're celebrating 50 years. CBS commissions Harvard to do this report This is Westbrook's early take on it. Most of my exposure has been on the business side, the marketing and the motionary sales. I have put out a copy of The Harvard Report which has never been released and I put it out in its raw form just as it was presented to me from the students at Harvard

3:02:14 So, it can be very controversial. Some say that the Harvard report was the beginning of the demise of black record companies. Well I have released this book just as it was presented to me by you former owner. Why do people think that? Well, again it's so easy for one to follow a myth. The original saying is that Clive Davis and his big mining company decided to hire these students to do this report and when they did this report they used us as their blueprint to follow this report to swallow up the black record companies and book in our business

3:03:02 That's what they're saying. That's not true, that's what they're saying and even when Apple Bill who was the owner of Stax Records He sued CBS records and he used that report Oh man I have not met him But if you go to his website Logan Westbrooks calm Right there's a big picture of him and Obama. Another CIA cutout, oh man this is great interesting very protective of Clive Davis. Oh yeah. Clive Davis has had his fist on black music

3:03:46 in his clutch I would say, for a very long time. And Clive Davis very blackmailable and I think they got him for a moment there that was it wasn't even that long ago you know there was some payola scandal and even though it turned out that it wasn't really anything to do with him he got implicated and then he got fired from his own company He was Mr Whitney Houston he created Whitney Houston And then the way the story goes, he was very callous around her death. The show must go on kind of thing which kind of made him lose favor. Yeah, he's very tied in with Diddy aka Puff Daddy? Yeah and there's a lot of rumors about them being romantically involved Yes

3:04:36 But we know how the CIA gets down. They use sexual blackmail to control, you know? Yes exactly! To control all. Exactly. But it's funny that Mr Logan Westbrook uses words like myth and... You know this basically, you know this is a story concocted to make Clive Davis look bad right? That was the- that's what we take away from 49 right? Yeah Well, as these men get all these bullet man get older and the door started shut on them. I think this is maybe the 49 was maybe 10, maybe 15 years ago just looking at the camera quality in address. This is more recent. This is only anniversary of the 50 year release that Harvard report where the commission of it not the release of the book

3:05:27 He's changed his tune a little bit. So tell us what the Harvard Report is and how it started? The Harvard report was a study that was conducted in 1972 And it was the mission by CBS on the offices of a client, Clive Davis and Bruce Lundbaugh. Bruce Lundbaugh who was the VP of marketing who I reported to him and he came up with the idea to conduct this study using some students there at Harvard, the B-School students as a project

3:06:03 and they took it on. I was a liaison between CBS and Harvard, and I worked directly with those students in guiding them in conducting that study. And the result of that study was called The Harvard Report. Basically, it was a blueprint for penetrating the black music marketing and also intentions of dominating black music and black lives. That was the purpose. Power 101? The Harvard Report. Huh? I thought it was a myth! No, it's real and Mr. Logan said it when Mr Westbrook said in his original clip 49 he said it was a myth to make Clive look bad now he's the liaison going between the two institutions being the bag man basically

3:07:01 And it's the blueprint. It went from a myth to a blueprint, which one is it? A blueprint... This is interesting because this of course is around this time this is where we start to get the conspiracy theories about you know relatively small group who got together and said hey in this hip-hop thing we gotta do something with that We gotta control that yeah then we can control the mass so we can do stuff with this and Is that am I gonna presume 94 might have some of that Yeah, we're gonna get it. We're going to go I had the light of platinum of the foundation down To show you all the inner workings this shift from this Higher infinite power that this group of people has that has to be controlled Gospel music is nothing means gospel means the good news. Mm-hmm

3:07:52 The machine can't allow the good news to go because it teaches about liberation freedom, you know and being independent. And love! Oh my god right let's not forget that so what they've done is promote the secular music which basically inverts gospel music and at the same time they hijacked the black secular music by eliminating Sam Cooke And putting in other figures of power will get that to that 94 maybe and then they got a 50-year plan How they write and they're right on schedule black music is wrapped up how you talked about 100 songs they pick from yeah on the black radio is 10 songs Yeah, well That's gonna be interesting when we when we see things change with value for value music. This is what you were talking about serendipitous

3:08:48 Yes. Right around this time, right as we're celebrating 50 years of Jay-Z... I'm sorry hip hop season! On time! This is a great thing on time! No there's no coincidence in the kingdom Moe this happens all this happens for a reason i love it i love that you brought this today this is fantastic i appreciate that And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we will try to get to you with 94 as soon as possible thank you and remember to support us at mofax.com We'll see ya soon everybody with episode number 94.

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