66: Black Butterfly

00:00 I'm not a fan of the music, but I'm not a fan of the music. Mo Facts with Adam Curry for September 14th, 2021. Welcome to episode number 66. Yep, we're on our schedule. Two weeks on, off and happy to be here once again. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Texas Hill Country and somewhere in Northern Virginia, my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. Wow that was perfect You had your whole intro like you were a wrestler coming up, you know Good mo. How you man? How's everything going there? I'm doing great. I am doing great Like you said we're on schedule. Yeah, I love it. It's really good before you know, it'll be professional podcasters and to do a little promo

00:55 For the people that don't know I've started doing something not something on the YouTube. Yeah the lives. Yeah the lost tapes So we did a whole another show on Bill Cosby because so much material You couldn't leave it untouched. So I love that over there and check it out now you're doing that after each episode Are you doing something before each Mo Fax episode drops or what? After it. I love that So what happens is, what I call it, is the interactive newsletter. So what we talk about today, next Wednesday on the YouTube, Mo Facts, we'll cover some of the topics that we covered today in more detail. And you know, have the video aspect and then we have the live feedback from the producers. So it's another experience and it gives them something every week.

01:46 to look for it. And it keeps you off the streets Moe, let's be honest about it. It's good for you. What do you say we spin the wheel? Please sir. All right here we go there it is the big ass wheel of topics. Round and round it goes where it stops nobody knows except of course Moe because he puts it all together and figures it out. What is the topic for episode 66 of Moe Facts with Adam Curry? Pizza potluck. Yeah! Potluck, potluck. Love that! Potluck, potluck. That's like Star Trek. You know that, you remember that, the Star Trek theme song when it was black and white? I don't. Oh yeah, it was like...

02:32 Oh, yeah, okay, I remember. Yeah, I remember some. All right, potluck, good. So what are we doing? We got a couple of topics for today? We got a handful of topics we're gonna cover to be exact, four blocks. Okay. Of some current events that's been going on that I've been keeping an eye on. So we have to talk about them and these are the topics that don't really need a full show or sometimes they can spin off into a full show depending on how far we go into it. And there's a theme to this one, I have to say. Of course there is. We expect nothing less. Of course there's a theme to it. There's a sub-theme to the theme. Mr. Jones, we have to talk about it. We have to put some respect on the man's name. With the horse-paced debacle we saw in the news media.

03:24 Do I hit do I do the next topic thing here is that James has a mandate of heaven now Somehow this fits into Alex Jones Well, he's gonna be a running theme through this show because oh what I've done here is Topics that he's thrown out like he's like Kanye right um What, like the fish sticks? The gay, if you're fish sticks or whatever Kanye said. They talking memes or what me and my man Young Grump call memes. They talking these catchphrases. So when you hear this stuff, it's like easily dismissed. But in this show, I have a handful of statements he's made.

04:18 that I want to deep dive into and one, the first one being LeBron James has a mandate from heaven. So it's going to be a fun show. You know, we get a little conspiratorial on the potlucks. You don't say. No, no, no, no. Never anything like that. So I guess we, I mean if you're ready to give it a go. I'm ready, I'm ready for all of it. It's my favorite people, LeBron James, Alex Jones, we're good to go. It's all spectrum represented. I think I'll let Kanye in here too if you want, just to warn people. Good, good, because I got stuff to talk about whenever, hopefully it's about Donda.

04:57 Well, we're not going to go actual Kanye, but I had a ISO of Kanye just to bring ourselves back from the edge of going full Alex Jones. So, OK, hold on a second. This will make us feel much better. Come on, man. I ain't finna go Alex Jones level with y'all, man. Come on. Come on. No. Come on. You know what I'm saying? So this is CBS Los Angeles. LeBron James says the decision on whether or not he gets the COVID-19 vaccine will probably be kept private. adding it's a conversation between you and your family and not for everybody else. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver indicated the league would not require players to get the vaccine nor would it require fans to be vaccinated in order to attend games. Katie Johnston for CBS LA. Yeah, this is a big topic. I've been hearing about this.

05:44 He's been trying to hide in the weeds of saying it's a personal decision, whether it's not a big deal if I say it or not. And the NBA has kind of boxed them in because they're going to follow the local mandates of if you're not vaccinated, you don't play. So we're going to look at that whole thing and there's a subtopic in the subtopic that I want to follow as well. But it all connects as it always does. So have you been, like you said, you've heard this so... Well I mean that's exactly, you know, I've been studying NBA from a different angle. The owners and Epstein, which I hope to wow you with one of these days. It's like crazy when you look into the depths of that and how coincidental it all is and

06:31 management. So this other stuff is, you know, I've been, I'm a little COVID tired. So I'm like, okay. And I'm a little LeBron tired as well, I have to admit. So yeah, I mean, obviously I kind of know what's going on. So I can't wait to hear it all. So what I want to do is show you how, when it's time to speak, The pressure will be applied and you can't just duck down in the weeds and not say I don't want to make a comment. You know that doesn't work. They did it with that with him in China. Yeah, it was a good try. No, that did not work at all. It did not work, but I will say this. I think LeBron James knows he has the timing to understand that if he says

07:16 He's gonna take it. He's gonna take a big hit to his following. So he's trying to play the middle because if he was vaccinated or was vaccine friendly, then he would just come out and say it, right? He'd be like, I'm taking it, you know? I'm rolling up my sleeve. I don't care what's in it. No, I mean, obviously, if you're gonna act like that, we know what's up. Right, so I want to go into the pressure tactics that they use and one of the pressure points they're using is Stephen A. Smith from First Take. I don't blame the players for being hesitant to promote vaccines considering our nation's history and our mistrust of the federal government. We know that history, we don't have time to get into it.

07:59 to it, but I think considering the number of people who have been vaccinated, which are obviously in the millions and the fact that it's indiscriminate, there are black and whites and others that have taken the vaccine. I do think it's time for all of us to adopt a mentality that if we have the opportunity to do it, it's something that we should do. And if they come my way with it, I will take the vaccine. Let me address what you just said quickly. I think as Americans we are used to a situation where money and power gives you greater access to things and people feel that that's normal. I think if I were running a league and I could get my hands on vaccines and I could legally distribute it, I would to the players.

08:39 If you're asking me as an independent arbiter, do I think that that's ethical or moral? The answer is no, I don't. So I disagree with you on principle, but in practice we probably see, I think there is a case to be made on economic lines along the ones you're making. I think the best way to do it is what the most effective way we've seen internationally is you start with the oldest people because they're even more with underlying conditions. The oldest, you know, 85 and over, 75 and over, 65 and over, do it like that and people with underlying conditions and first responders and then the rest of us wait for it. So this was early on. Yeah. And I know in the vaccine rollout, even state Stephen A. Smith was hesitant, as you heard him say. Yeah. But obviously, somebody talked to Stephen A. Smith.

09:27 and he... Wait a minute. Was it the Boule phone? Is that what happened? Did he get a little phone call? I don't know which way the phone call went. You know, so he might have been dialing in the headquarters like, hey, I'll be your man. So as you can hear in this one, Max Kellerman kind of tops Stephen A. Smith And it starts to irk Stephen A. Smith. So we're going to get into that as well. So anything you want to address? I mean... No, no, keep it rolling Moe. I'm loving this. I mean, these are names I don't even know. You know, I got to look them up while you're talking. I am not Mr. Basketball.

10:07 No, it's not about basketball. We've spotted early on that the NBA was the league of choice for the vaccine rollout, being Rudy Gobert was the first one to catch the major athlete. Who does he play for? He plays for the Utah Jazz. And you know, that's when they shut down the league. They had the whole bubble. The NFL has been... They have the vaccine mandate. But they leave it up to the players not to take it if they want to. Now with heavy fines, where you lose games. It gets a little more serious. Right, but the NBA has been all in since the beginning. Like I said, with the bubble down in Disney and all of that stuff. And the Black Lives Matter on the court and all those things. So they've been very vaccine friendly.

10:55 So of course China's still trying to kill us and that's their weapon of choice is the NBA. Well there you have it. Just saying, not conspiratorial or anything, just laying it out there. If they look at it, well I would say walks like a duck and cracks like a duck, then it's a duck. So we have next Charles Barkley. He's gonna speak on the vaccine priority. I think they should let the NBA players and coaches all get the vaccine That's just my personal opinion We need 300 million shots of giving a thousand to some NBA players what about it? What about NFL NFL? I'm just gonna raise the NFL players hockey players

11:43 Listen, as much taxes as these players pay. Let me repeat that as much taxes these players pay they deserve some preferential treatment For for life and death. Yes, the amount of money you make no, no I said taxes You make taxes these guys pay We can't go there. You gotta take care of the elderly and the and the at-risk for you I totally agree. We need to take care of the first responders and the old people, but I'm saying giving a couple, a thousand shots to NBA players is not gonna change the world. I'm just saying, it just make it safer for them. But if it's not changing the world, why are you going to them first? Well, because we, listen, I'm just saying. Why do they get the preferential, why do we, I'm saying, why do we get the preferential treatment if it's not gonna change the world? Listen, I'm saying, if we're gonna try to play basketball,

12:40 We're gonna keep having COVID outbreaks. Okay. That discussion could go on a long time. There's no right or wrong answer. Isn't Barkley old enough to qualify for Elderly First? He's right on that cusp. Gotta be close. He's gotta be up there. He's right on that cusp. And, you know, weight issues and things like that, they might bump him up even more because, you know, comorbidities or whatnot. But this is Charles not being read in, and they're trying to walk him back. Did you notice that? Oh, totally. Totally. Like, hold on. Look at my eyes, Charles. Look at my eyes. Listen to what I'm saying.

13:21 He's saying the millionaires and elite should get the shot before everybody else which I totally agree with I totally agree with Chuck on this one. They should totally do it in public and they should wait for like 30 minutes so we can make sure that they're okay. That's a very good idea. Yes. Give it to them, monitor them for 30 days. Yeah, yeah. See how they're doing. Of course now you can fire up the phone. Oh, here it is. Charles! Number four. I know that you speak your mind, as I said, that you're so honest about sharing your opinions. Have you ever said anything that you wish that you would have said differently or not said at all? Yeah, absolutely. I'm so glad you asked me that question. I said something last week that...

14:09 Whether I believe it or not, it was a stupid thing to say. I think these NBA players, I think they should get, I said, and I said it, even though I believe it, I think they should get the vaccine because we have no idea how playing sports is going to have an effect on you down the line if you get this virus. And if you're going to try to play basketball, I think they should get the shot. But I made it seem like they were more important than other people, and they're not. And it came off stupid. And I apologize if anybody was offended. But like I say, I want my players to be safe. Listen, but if they can get that vaccine, I hope they get it because, you know, we have no idea how this thing gonna affect people in 10, 20, 30 years. But it came off without a person. And I apologize if anybody took it like that.

15:02 Well, I'm glad you got to apologize and we're gonna take a break. We're gonna play a game with Charles when we come back. We'll be back. Wow, holy crap. Shut up. Shut up. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Hey, but first of all, he said... We have no idea how it's going to play out in 30 years from now. That was interesting. He's stepping all over. It's like he's stepping on a whole yard full of rakes. Every time he says something, it's like another rake. It's like, shut up, Chuck. Just shut up. But you see how it works. Is there anything you ever wanted to apologize about or you felt was stupid? And this was it?

15:43 I mean, that's why he was brought on the Ellen Show for. To get it out to the masses that, hey, I said something stupid, I said what we really think. Was there a lot of backlash about the first statement he made? Of course, that's why he's on the Ellen Show. I mean, he was, I mean, to get on broad, I mean, daytime television while it was still on, of course. I don't understand why he didn't just answer truthfully, because that would work, say, well we just want to be good examples to everybody. If he had said that, it would have been okay. But what he said, I know what he said These guys pay a lot of taxes they deserve it first right or screw a dying old person like What is it really nothing that says nothing to the NBA? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't say that. Oh

16:45 And then he steps on his head. We don't know what this vaccine gonna do to people in 20, 30 years. I can't believe he said that. He screwed it up on the make-goods. So crazy. Chuck, yeah, that's Chuck for you. But what's fascinating is Charles Barkley was all the morning. I don't apologize for anything. Right. I speak my mind. Yes. Not when that phone rings. And that's why I had to bring the phone in. Now we're starting to see When you step out of line, you get the phone. And that's what's happening with LeBron right now. He's... The phone ain't rang yet? Or, you know, or, you know, or they send him... I wonder if it's like a bullet text. It's like... I was just gonna say, they're sending him a text, just one emoji. That's how it starts. They send one emoji on text. Oh, okay. I got it.

17:32 So now we go back to first take and this is I gotta set this up a little bit So Matt's Kellerman aka blacks Kellerman has always been known for one upping Stephen a Smith and the black category as we explored on Episode 16. I was gonna say it's a long time ago that we talked about that Right, but it came to a head and on clip number six. We're gonna hear example of him one upping Stephen a Smith and Athletes should not be forced into positions where they must publicly espouse that they are affirmatively, you know, they're putting their weight behind. Yes, everyone should do this because if they don't feel that way, then they shouldn't be forced into a hypocritical position. This is however, if the vaccine is available and they opt not to take it, they shouldn't play like that.

18:24 A public service announcement is something else. They should not be forced to do public service announcements even if I think it's foolish not to. Now let me tell you why I think it's foolish not to and what I think their problem is. In the Venn diagram, you have the different circles and where they overlap is the shaded area. This is a perfect storm, another metaphor for it, of this vaccination issue. Number one, they're pro athletes. Pro athletes care about what they put in their body. And anyone hears, wait, I'm putting a dead disease in my body? Even the thought of it's disturbing to a lot of people, to me. Yeah, that's not what it is. Even if you understand the science very well, you still say, ugh, I just don't like the idea of it.

19:05 and pro athletes want to be sure about what they're ingesting and unless it's going to help them on the field of play especially that's one there's a lot of anti-vaxxer nonsense out there just nonsense and low quality information that many among us have uh... swallowed and and kind of uh... internalized and now believe the anti-vaxxer industry is utter nonsense. Nonsense. That's all. It's nonsense. However, there's an overlap there too, because many in the population, including in the NBA, have subscribed to it, as many people have subscribed to a lot of low quality information in recent years and misinformation. And three, you mentioned it, Stephen A., the United States has a bad history with African-American people, don't they? And including experiments on African-Americans.

19:55 African American people, right? And so if you are, yes. So if you're thinking, wait, I'm not going to be, you want me to take that? Are we sure about this? Are you experimenting on me? I think all three things come into play here. Wow. So you can hear Stephen A. Smith. Like that's exactly what I was talking about, Max. Like, right. And this has been a common thing with Max. He always, on the spectrum of black, I mean, because we know black is a title, not a race. Or a brand. Well, brand, excuse me, exactly.

20:34 He's always found himself, see Stephen A. Smith has been seen as a conservative person or you know he even said that black people should vote Republican one time to send a message to the Democratic Party. He quickly came back on that statement. He got the phone. For sure. And then just his overall tone and you know and things of that nature so it makes it easy for Max to, you know, one up him when it comes to the blackness. So, um, Stephen A, you can hear the like this thing. Oh yeah. And um, Stephen A's voice like you're doing it again, right? Um, so yeah, so that it irks him and then you just heard him say, and this is a great opportunity for you to ask the question about experiments, Adam. Well, yes, I was gonna say that we had, uh, I'd actually,

21:29 Offline off the show I we talked about this and I said hey man, you know, I can remember exactly So I hope you remember your exact answer. I said you know, this Tuskegee experiment. I said, yeah, absolutely. It was a long time ago and even, but you know, it's so bad even President Clinton had to apologize for it. But it seems like it's being used as a crutch. Like that's the only thing I ever hear. Not that it's not valid, but it seems a little bit like a cop-out because you know, so much has happened since then, which I think is also valid to be suspicious of government in general. So what I would say is not a crutch, it's a repellent. It's the one thing that you can say that, you know, resonates

22:16 You know with whoever's asking you or putting pressure on you to say, what about Tuskegee? You know, right, right. You kind of got a back off the person which we have far worse experiments Well, you said that you could discuss you said something else to me which would stuck in my mind go ahead. I said a lot So you might have to remind me and this was just Adam and Mo talking as friends, right? Which is what the show is as well. It's just we weren't rolling tape. I said I No, here's what you said to me. You said, Adam, you've got to understand for black men, just using black as a brand, you said, we hate going to the doctor because... Oh, yeah, yeah. And I said, I'm going to spit it back to you, see if I got it right. And I said, okay, by the way, I haven't seen the inside of an actual medical doctor's office in many, many years. I do functional medicine, all kinds of other stuff, voodoo shit, spells. And, um...

23:09 And you say, no, black men, we know that the doctor is only a pill or a knife. And it brings a whole bunch of other crap with it. And by the way, this black man here in Texas feels the same way. That's why I never go. I don't want to have any of that stuff. I don't trust him anymore. And that's the only two options you have for it. And if you don't have a solution other than that, then why go? I mean, you know what you need to do eat healthy exercise those kind of things but well, I mean there are there are some absolute things that need to be looked at but I was just surprised because you know, obviously a lot of

23:47 Ados men go to the doctor for high blood pressure and for diabetes. Most of the time that's because it's a free visit and a loved one is pressuring you to go. It's like, you're free physical, you know what I'm saying? Like, for full disclosure, my wife is like, I scheduled your free physical. Oh, interesting. Is that how it works? Yeah, so it's that kind of thing. That's what Tina does with the dentist. Right. So I mean, it's not like we're picking up the phone like, let me get my blood pressure checked. Right. So that kind of thing. But I also wanted to bring to the show that it's used as a repellent as well for people that may not be

24:31 vaccine friendly because that backs you up offering people offer yeah we're easily we need a new dead black person you know it's a just wait well I think there's a couple that we kind of overlooked who who died within days of their vaccination We got a whole host of things to look at. Alright, thank you. I'm glad we brought that back up. But yeah, that's what they're alluding to because the Tuskegee one is the one that's in the shared consciousness of people. So it's like you say Tuskegee and it's Aramac. I'm not going to push that any further because I know where that goes but you see that only has so many legs. That's what's going on now in society.

25:15 Just as a reminder, let's go back to show 16 and this is the ultimate example of this is around the Colin Kaepernick situation and Stephen A Smith was critical of Colin Kaepernick and I think this is when he did that stage workout for Nike and that whole thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. and Terrell Owens confront Stephen A. Smith. So what he wanted was transparency for people to see the full workout, to see the full Colin Kaepernick. Again, you mentioned obviously Max is gonna get in here. And like I said, I'm in the streets. Max almost seems blacker than you, Stephen A. With his coming, with his commentary. Toma, Toma, Toma, with all due respect, my brother. I'm just saying, dog. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm just saying. I'mma check you right now. You don't cross the line. I'm just saying. Toma, Toma, Toma, wait a minute. You don't cross the line.

26:02 First of all, like I said, you, Colin Kaepernick, Eric Reid, any of y'all that want to debate me in front of black people and talk about what's best for black people, name the time and place, I'll show up. I don't want to hear, what's the definition of blackness? Is there a definitive definition of blackness? Yeah, I remember this. So, in the meantime... That was pretty insulting. It was pretty insulting what he said. It was, it was. Especially, especially Trayor Owens being a black man, like you know what that means, like you can...

26:40 He might can say that over, I don't even know if you can say that over a car again, you might get punched. Yeah, you don't say that. You just don't say that. But that was a, he wanted to trigger Stephen A. Smith and that was a low hanging fruit to do it with. But in the meantime, I have to catch people up on YouTubia news. Kwame Brown. He's kind of came out and made Stephen A Smith his number one target and labeled their whole crew the go along to get along gang aka the Boule. Someone else, Tina was telling me about this, handkerchief heads? Have you ever heard of this term? No, I haven't. Well, that's also supposed to be get along, go along crew.

27:31 Anchor cheese. Okay. Yeah, I haven't heard that but that's what he labeled him and it's stuck and you know and it's Putting a lot of pressure on uh, steven a smith and you can tell because he even made a reply video Um to kwame brown on his show So that mean that tell you how far has gotten up on his skin and not only has um kwame brown gotten up on this um steven a skin Max has and this is the sec follow-up clip to what Terrell Owen said and Max had to chime in on what happened here And I know max you didn't have a chance to jump in and I'm sure you want to respond Okay, got a kind of explosive when to you said tongue-in-cheek You said that Steven I seem blacker than Stephen a and Stephen a obviously had to respond to that

28:15 that. And I want to respond to that before I say what I originally wanted to say, which is first of all, I can't eat anymore all the cookouts I've been invited to since this whole thing came up. I see Stephen A. as having inherited not only a respect for authority, but a working knowledge of reality and what it takes to get ahead. No excuses. You can always look for excuses. You can look for things to lean on. You can look for where it's not perfect. or you can do what you have to do which is what Stephen A has done and I would say that his, that your point of view Stephen A, Stephen A's point of view is not less black necessarily than someone else's who's more strident it is more conservative in certain respects and my point of view is oftentimes more progressive my own background is Jewish secular not religious but Jewish secular so one of the things you get around Passover is

29:08 Act like you were a slave in Egypt. That's how I grew up. Like, you know, with that tradition of always look at the oppressed and look for righteousness and justice. And so I'm strident in that way. However, me myself, I did not have to go through the struggle like that. He invited to the cookout. He invited to the barbecue. Yeah. So let me explain to you what Stephen A. Smith may have been hearing as I'm a black man. So go for it. And I know Max, you didn't have a chance to jump in and I'm sure you want to respond. It's okay. Kind of explosive when T.O. you said tongue in cheek. You said that Stephen, I seem blacker than Stephen A. And Stephen A. obviously had to respond to that. And I want to respond to that before I say what I originally wanted to say, which is first of all, I can't eat anymore. All the cookouts.

29:59 I've been invited to like since this whole thing came up. I see Stephen A as having inherited not only a respect for authority, but a working knowledge of reality and what it takes to get ahead. Yeah. That respect for authority. Yeah. Where's that coming from? No, that's. He's a good house slave. Yeah, either that or she listened to your mom because she'll whoop your ass But yeah, I took it to you that way too. You right? That's the way I know he's over there seething seething what like us respect for a door and Then he uses were like strident. So I mean, let's keep going. Oh, I'm sorry I didn't I didn't realize you want me to roll the whole thing. That's fine. That's fine. We don't need to but you heard the oh, no, I Got it. Yep. He's laughing on the inside

30:49 And then he's like, well, you know, Steven A., you know, I'm more strident with my rebellion. And, you know, he's controllable. He's the good Negro. And no, I'm telling you this how it received me. If you don't believe me, listen to number nine. What happened? Well, the rumor is accurate in terms of me wanting him off the show. Let's get that out the way. Yes, I did. You know, we don't have a bad relationship. I think he's a real good guy. I appreciate what he did for the show. We were number one for five years. We stayed number one and I appreciate that. But what a lot of people don't realize is that the work that goes into doing the show every single day. In the nine years that I've been on first take, I've given over 33,000 takes. And what a lot of people don't realize is that not just the work that goes into that,

31:42 But also the fact that it's a chemistry that you have and sometimes it just stalls. And the audience lets you know that it is what it is and you feel the need for something fresh, you feel the need to retool. And the reason why I'm unapologetic about my position is that number one, it's no knock against him personally, his professionalism, his work ethic, and all of that other stuff, his talent. It's not like I wanted the guy to be fired or anything like that. I knew that there were landing spots for him available at this network that would generate just as much, if not more revenue for him and all of that other stuff. And it wasn't really about asking him

32:26 to be off the show. It was about the fact that I knew that we together, as far as I was concerned, was not a great partnership anymore. And that was something that needed to change. It also wasn't my decision. You know, I gave my recommendation. They ask it, I tell it. Every single year when the season, you know, when the NBA season comes to an end, the bosses ask me where I stand. And for the last three years, I said, this is where I stood. Man shows you who's got the juice. Whoa Recent juice. Mm-hmm. He says I've been asking for him to be fired for three years now Yeah, because he's been blacker than me. You're saying

33:07 Not my words, but that's been the sentiment that I mean you heard what Mac said that I can't go anymore cookouts I'm full over here and it got under Steven a skin and That combined that with the get along go along get along gang. This is so it on his heels two years ago You wouldn't have any of these conversations during sports programming would you? It picked up really around Colin Kaepernick. That was like the genesis. Okay, yeah, so that was three years. Yeah. So that was the genesis of the conversation. Steve and they wanted to keep it to sports. Max knew that as long as he's like that cool hip-hop

33:51 Kind of white guy you're saying he likes rap you know and that kind of thing so he knows the rap references so he can't like like the douchebag re Melbourne on MSN I Just want to rip his neck off and pull it through the TV screen in all fairness I Never go for Ari, but I mean Very bad idea, but Max is like now. He's not it nobody's bad as Ari. I mean it should be In the genius words of Tupac Shakur I might click

34:28 I don't want to hear it. Yeah, exactly. But the thing was Stephen A's leads off because he's the host. I mean, he's the headliner. That's right. So all Max has to do is sit back in the cut and cash the check and shut up and be normal. No, what I'm saying is the tactic that he uses in the debate, because it's a debate show, is what it is. I mean, that's sure what the show is. But what are they debating? That's the problem. It's like, don't debate that. Get out of here. This is sports. Correct, but you know ESPN went full woke and now they're cleaning and they have to even go full of woke Because they fire several different people over there But I just want to show you why all of a sudden he after three years they give in to his request Is it because he rolled up his sleeve and said I'll be your Vax man. Mmm

35:18 With that said, let's get into number 10. I certainly don't believe they should be forced to do a PSA. I totally agree with you there. What I will say, however, is that the athletes themselves have put themselves in a position where people feel they should be compelled to do such a thing by virtue of the reach that they have and how they flaunt that reach and the impact that it has. Like, for example, if you want to sit up there and address And I know that it's apples and oranges in a lot of people's eyes, but not to me. When you sit up there and you want to address racial injustice issues, and you're talking about, it's not just about myself, it's about my family, it's about my community, et cetera, et cetera. Well, in a different, in a completely different kind of way, so is the coronavirus pandemic.

36:02 Because the fact of the matter is that when you get ill, chances are you can make someone else ill. Chances are it's gonna be a member of your family, a loved one, et cetera, et cetera. And that reality being as pertinent as it is does elevate the level of responsibility if you say under any circumstances that something is not about you, it's about the impact that you know you have, the voice that you know you have, The fact that you can give a voice to the voiceless, et cetera, et cetera. And that was impetus enough or motivation enough for you to take certain positions and to put yourself on front street. Then someone in a medical profession can simply come to you and say, okay, we've got over 400,000 deaths.

36:48 Nationwide we've got millions upon millions who have died from this worldwide It's contagious and there's a vaccine that is proven thus far that it can help derail that issue Do you not feel an obligation to do that? They can ask the question man. This spell is so powerful And this was early on, this was before the approval of anything, a vaccine is proven. And he's proven and he's saying that you have to take it to protect others, which is the opposite of what a vaccine does. Well, never let the truth get in the way of, and that's why I themed this at Alex Jones, themed potluck because of that. It's like nobody cares about facts, nobody cares about truth.

37:39 You might know a guy named Joe Rogan. And you saw how they did him. And this was like the reason, one of the reasons for the show that the media is completely sold out, all media. It was interesting about Joe. I've been to Joe's show three times, just briefly before this last time when he got COVID. Every single time he has a nurse on site, the minute you come in, you can't even really walk far into the door. You sit down and she does the test. And then I always ask for an antibody test to see if I might have had it, which I don't have, although I'm pretty sure I have T-cell immunity. And knowing Joe from two years ago when he was scouting out locations in Austin,

38:30 and he had his mother-in-law, I think his mother-in-law may live with him, his wife, his two daughters, and he was super cautious, no handshaking, masks. I wouldn't ask him because he's my friend, but not like we're friends. It's just none of my business, and if he wants to tell me, he can tell me. I'm 99.99% certain he got vaccinated. And he also texted me after he was cured And he said, well, I guess this vaccine is unnecessary. So the way he said that to me meant he definitely got the vaccine. But the assumption right away, and that's kind of, I wish he would say something about it. That's the, no, hey, and I want to say something. I ended the last show and I said the white phone. And what I mean by that is there's a white Bouley phone and there's a black Bouley phone. You know what I'm saying? Like Joe knows, I mean, excuse me, I don't want to speak for him,

39:30 Everybody in the entertainment industry knows there's certain things you can say that your phone will ring and Sometimes people just don't want that smoke. I mean like I Mean this this is what Steven a Smith. This is what LeBron James doing to bring it back to the topic He he knows he like a big a large of his following are Vax hesitant. Mm-hmm. Sure. Sure. He's like if I take this and If I take it, I gotta come out and be full-throated about it. And that's what Stephen A. Smith is calling on him to do, right? You've used your plat— That's when the you he's talking about is LeBron. You know, you've jumped out here in front of everything. You know, you put your face on everything. You know, you wanna be Taco Tuesday LeBron. You know, all this stuff.

40:17 And now it's all of a sudden when it's Vax time, you're saying you want to owe us a personal decision. No, it doesn't work like that. And that's what's happening. He sold his soul a long time ago. Right. But I must say this, and this is just me speculating, but if LeBron James wanted to top Michael Jordan in being the most prolific basketball player ever, if he came out and said, I'm anti-Vax, I'm riding with my people. That might be a pathway to it. He can't do a basketball. Let's just mean this. I know you don't know basketball, but he just can't accomplish the top accomplishment of Michael Jordan. But this political issue, I'm just saying, as big as this is, this is not China, this is not Colin Kaepernick. We're talking about, I told you before,

41:09 LeBron James could cause a problem in China just with his words. We talked about this in 16 where he has followings. I mean like he calls his fans witnesses. I mean it's like to a demigod level and if he comes out and says, nah I ain't taking it, nah uh-uh. That might catapult him over That's like Ali not now you talk about Ali and you want to compare yourself to Ali Yeah, you gotta be you've got to be against the government for starters. Well, that's that's what put him on I'm I had that thought I was like now that could be a thing that um puts him on par with Ali outside of school. How in this regard just to test the theory

41:57 How does Nicki Minaj fit in? I'm sure you followed that fracas because now here is someone who I was... maybe she's still gonna get the boule call. She already got it. No, she already backtracked? She already backtracked? I don't know how she got the call. I don't know how she responded to it. That was quite amazing what she said. I mean, first of all, she went anti-elite by saying, hey, if I'm going to get vax, it's not for that. She has now, I think she has tweeted, well, you know, I'm just going to research and I'll get vax. You know, she's saying when I have to do my tours and everything, I'm going to go slow is I think what she was saying. But I loved how she got into a big fight with

42:38 with Joy Reid. Now, does this catapult her into any sort of super stratospheric level by being a female hip-hop? Definitely not the message we're hearing from others. I would say being anti-vax is soon going to be like what they call punk. It's going to be trendy. Right, trendy. I mean, like that's the counterculture. Oh my God, we need that, Mo. We need the trendsetters. We need it. And you're starting to see, I mean, like I said, for LeBron, it's easy. This is an easy one for LeBron because they could shoot him with saline and he goes on TV and he doesn't have to harm his body.

43:21 But he understands that his following is watching and a huge part of his following is race-based and this conversation is race-based. I mean, as far as the hesitancy for reasons that we've discussed before, we may discuss later. Could come up. But let me just get back to Stephen A. Smith and I want to show you, he went from being the the you to a full on attack with Donald Lemon on CNN. Basketball superstar LeBron James won't say whether he has received or will receive the coronavirus vaccine. James outspoken on social issues like racial justice and voting rights, very outspoken, says his own vaccination status is not a big deal. The main thing I do on the floor is I'm predicated to my family, you know, for the majority, for 99.9% of that.

44:17 It's about the health and safety of my family. And that's what it came down to. Me being available to my teammates on the floor, me taking care of my body. Do you mind me asking if you're confirming that you did get the vaccine? It's not a big deal. Steve and Abe, thank you. That man, I love your outspokenness. Thank you for doing this. This bothers you. You said that LeBron can't have it both ways, that he either wants to be out front and center, bringing a voice to issues, or he doesn't. Tell me why this is so important to you. Well, I think that obviously you had me on your show a few months ago when I decided to take the vaccine. I had my reservations. There's a plethora of people within the African-American community that have had our reservations about taking the vaccine. But ultimately, when you go into ICUs or what have you, you see things that have been so profoundly detrimental to the African-American community. You take a stand and you take a position.

45:15 I'm not of the position that LeBron James normally, under normal circumstances, should feel any obligation whatsoever to divulge whether or not he's taken the vaccine. But considering the multitude of issues that he's been willing to tackle, considering what provoked him to do so because of concerns for his community, his people, Those are his words. These are the kind of things that he has said time and time and time again. Then why would you not speak on the issue of being vaccinated or not? Man, Stephen A. Smith is a cruise missile. Yeah, got LeBron's butt right on it. It's like here we come. That's the press. That's that's this is how the boule phone works out in public. It's like we all you don't want to answer the phone, huh? All right. Okay, you know you want to answer the phone. All right. All right, LeBron thing. The thing that bothers me and Stephen a Smith did it is this lie that COVID affects

46:11 black and brown communities six times more than white communities. It's bullshit. It's not true. Wait, hold on now. I didn't include this in here. You can catch it on my YouTube channel, but I discussed something I heard and I don't know how true it is, but supposedly black people have more receptors in their nose than other people. Wait a minute Is that because of the the size of the nostrils or could it you could a Jewish man also get more because of his nose? I got to understand this. Okay. All right

46:55 All right. Well, I'm like I said, I got to look at the live man. I got to look at the law. If people come over to the live next Wednesday, it's going to be great. Yeah. I'll discuss that in front, but this is from a, this is from a verified doctor. So this is not something I'm pulling out. Wow. Okay. Well then, then I may be wrong, but you're right in a sense of they take, but hold on a second. Hold on a second. Yeah. I'm just, presuming here that's because of the size and shape of the African-American nose, but that is certainly not uniform amongst black and brown people. I mean there's all kinds of noses.

47:35 Like I said, they said that we have five receptors and when other people have three and I'm like, of what we have wealth in? You are so fortunate. You finally have something more than the white man. An extra receptor. Enjoy it. Two! Two extra receptors! Okay, I mean the way I see it is the way poor people are affected six times as much and that's also white people. It's poor people. But they conflate it to high comorbidity rates. I know, yeah. Yeah, that kind. But it sounds much better. It affects black people, you know, and that's the that's the shaming. That's the sign language, the shame, the insult. It's evil. It's evil and I don't like it. I don't like it.

48:20 So, um, I'm gonna say this, I didn't clip this, but maybe later in another show, they've been putting pressure on LeBron. They had this WNBA player come out and say he's trafficking kids, which we said about Epstein. That made me perk up. I'm like, well, now I'm like, hold on. You might have to send me some clips on this because she came out and said it like the brown, but it was, I know what it was. It was one of those things like, hey, We can give anything, anytime, anytime we can do anything to you wherever we want. And then they got him pushing a referee or a fan or something. Like these stories never get reported. Now all of a sudden they're getting reported and they're putting the pressure on them. This is the Boule nudge. Yes. And the final piece of pressure is the unvaccinated players could miss home games.

49:12 It won't have a big impact if you get vaccinated if you're an NBA player in any of these cities get vaccinated You won't have to go through this uncomfortable situation But you know listen the NBA is sending a clear sign that they're gonna use the local guidelines Even if they have to to not let anything interrupt their games They don't have the flexibility that they had last year to reschedule or postpone games move things around Release the schedule the second half of the schedule later. That's all out there the window if you're trying to get back to your 82 game schedule. So, you know, here they found an opportunity where they can basically indirectly try to promote and also mandate the vaccine in a way not truly a mandate, but a mandate in a way, and they're going to try to utilize it. And it also avoids the politics that you got to deal with with the players unions because now they can't even say anything when you're dealing with government mandates or government requirements.

49:59 the on public grounds. So you gotta obey by the public requirements and this requirement says you gotta show a vaccination card to get into watch the game and also to get into play. I saw ESPN report vaccinated and unvaccinated players won't even be allowed to sit next to each other in locker rooms or on planes or and they may have to take separate buses. I mean it's not all final yet but it seems like players could have very different experiences this season. Oh man.

50:42 So LeBron is running out of runway here because he can't sit out when he goes to Brooklyn. He can't go sit out when he goes to Madison Square Garden. No, no, he can't do that. He can't sit out when he goes to Golden State. These are marquee games. These are the ones they sell the ads around, right? Now, so hold on a second. Do you think that he actually has a conscience? That he doesn't want to lie about it because he feels that people will mimic him or... I mean... LeBron James or whoever's around LeBron James has good

51:22 timing on where the public stands and when I mean the public, the black public, quote unquote black public, right? And it's like you can't jump out this window and be pro vaccine because that's gonna, like I said, that's gonna split your following. I mean, we're seeing this splitting people and it's not, it's not splitting relationships, Mo. It's splitting families. It's very, very, very sick. Right. And so what LeBron thought he was going to be able to dip dive and dive and say, hey, you know, it's a personal, you know, this is a guy that comes out and let everybody know he spends $6 million on his body every year, you know what I'm saying? To get in the shape. So I mean, from that standpoint, if I just want to say, be genuine, if he's genuine, I understand it. Who wants to put something experimental into your body that you've honed, you know,

52:11 You're saying to be a fine fine-tuned machine. Right. Just on the surface level. Exactly, but then what he doesn't do is what you suggested, you know, get some saline or whatever and do the Nancy Pelosi bent needle. That was the Vice President Harris. The bent needle plastic cap. Why wouldn't he do that? Because he really can't. He doesn't want to be dishonest? No, he doesn't want to divide the herd. His own herd, you mean? Yes. I mean, because in his herd, I mean, if you just take it down to split, it could be a 30-70, 60-40. What do you think it is? What do you think? I would probably say it's somewhere between 70-30, 60-40. Pro-being low? No, high. High, yeah. I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt like a lot of his followers are woke. But inside that,

53:05 It's, you know, it's he doesn't want to divide his herd period and it just puts him in a weird spot. And he's telling them like, hey, like this is bad for the brand. But they're like, hey, this is bigger than your brand. This is way bigger than your brain. So I'm so happy you told me about this because I had no idea this was playing. I mean a little bit because it really doesn't seep through unless you're really into NBA. I guess you have to be watching ESPN. Otherwise, no, no, no, no. That's why I let the clip off. That was CBS Los Angeles, a little 24 minute, excuse me, 24 second clip.

53:42 All right on there. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. So it's like why have a certain wise LeBron James vaccination status a big deal? Um when you start seeing it seep into mainstream news, yeah Well now I got my eyes on it. Yeah, right And it's like how far would they go to um, are they willing to risk, you know detonating their like one of their number one assets you know on the on the altar of of vaccines. How long do you think he has until he has to say something? Well the first game because whatever I mean what I mean the first game the first game with a mandate and it's like yeah at that point

54:18 Now he might go there and like just let it blow on him, but they're not gonna let it, even when he does show up for the game and he is vaccinated, gonna make a big deal out of it. They got to, yeah. If he's not vaccinated, then he won't play. So which game do we have our eyes on? I'm gonna get the schedule and I'll be letting you know whichever one shows up in New York first or either San Francisco next, Golden State. Now how do I play the spread on Vax Not Vax? I wish there was one. You said he who doesn't know shit about sports or sports vetting. You don't need to know crap about sports to bet sports. I'll tell you that much. It's all about the odds. Yeah.

54:59 So that's the first block. All right. I like that. Very good. All right. So the second block was pertinent to the first block and let's go and get into the ISO. Henrietta Lacks is black woman that got eaten alive by cancer in one week. Oh, yeah. I heard about this story. Tina was telling me this. She just told me that today. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. No, because I mean, it is. I mean, I mean that by the literal definition of the word, because they've had her under wraps. See, they'll talk about, now this answers your question why do they talk about Tuskegee. Tuskegee is men. Yeah, well they killed some men with syphilis, you know, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Gangbangers, whatever. Right, but if you say Henrietta Lacks and the story behind her, a black woman,

55:50 being used, experimented on or whatever the narrative is, that hits a whole different way across of my body, my choice, across a lot of these narratives. And they've tried to keep this under wraps. And what we're going to do is get into her story. And I think a good place to start is the official trailer from HBO about her or more Immortal Life. For years, it seemed like a dream. About our mother, could this be true? What you don't understand is we didn't know nothing about nothing. Scientists have been trying to get cells to grow outside of the human body, but they would always die. Until Henrietta's cells came along. I want to write a book about your mother. Go HeLa, Go HeLa, that's my mother. I hope I don't regret this.

56:55 Everyone's saying Henrietta Lacks donated themselves. She didn't donate nothing. They took them and didn't ask. The hospital is guilty and somebody's going to pay. God wanna have a disease cure, he provide one for himself. I don't know, Rebecca. I'm not doing anything behind your back. Henrietta helped develop the AIDS cocktail. Chemotherapy treatments. It's hard not to get caught up in hope when you've been powerless for so long. I know I'm a part of you and you're a part of me. Okay. I've looked her up in the meantime. Yeah. Okay. Excuse me. So this is the HeLa cells. And I don't know if you know much about it, but they, they labor her as the mother of modern medicine because her cells

58:09 Not only do they grow outside of the body, they replicate every 24 hours. So this opened up a lot of... Right, they're used in medical research today, I guess, ongoing, because they can keep making new cells. AIDS, HIV, cancer, even the COVID-19 vaccine is part of healing. And it's like, why are you not celebrating this woman? Because if you talk about her story, you had to talk about how she was robbed of her cells. This is why they want to talk about Tuskegee instead of Henrietta Lacks. Oh, of course. And otherwise, how would I have ever heard about her?

58:53 Well, gotta have that the MoFax to let me know what's going on. All right, let's go ahead and get into number 15 I gotta say about that is Hallelujah finally somebody want to talk about Oprah Winfrey plays the daughter of Henrietta Lacks, the woman who transformed modern medicine and had no idea. To this day many have never heard her name. I started asking people, do you know, have you ever heard of Henrietta Lacks? No one had. Something Winfrey is now determined to change. The significance of what her cells have meant, I think the world needs to know that and now they will.

59:29 Lacks was a young mother of five who died of cervical cancer in 1951 at Johns Hopkins, where doctors found her unique and aggressive cancer cells were the first to grow in a lab. Henrietta never gave doctors permission to use her cells and her family was never told. We didn't know nothing about nothing. Like nothing they'd seen before, those cells, shortened to HeLa instead of Henrietta's full name, were used to test the polio vaccine, develop in vitro fertilization and drugs used to fight cancer, just to name a few. Her daughter Debra and author Rebecca Skloot finally uncovered the truth.

1:00:07 But Debra died just before Scloot's book was published. I refuse to cry with you, Kristen, but I could when I think about Deborah, how eager she was to know about her mother and to have this story told. Henrietta's cells were reproduced in labs around the world and millions of dollars changed hands. Becca showed me the papers where he wanted to use her name but the lawyers didn't want to. And Hopkins made all that money off of our mother! Hopkins ain't made a dime! Oh, okay. I just, wow.

1:00:44 Head exploding. You know in the 80s I was involved in so much AIDS charity raising. That's how I know Fauci, that a-hole. He was always around all the big parties hanging out. I have my own thoughts. We've discussed them privately, I think publicly, that I think it was really ACT that was the biggest problem. A Fauci invention. Very much like Remdesivir. So anyway, in all those years knowing having read many books never heard of Henrietta Lacks and you haven't heard her name brought up with COVID yet. Why is that? This should be a selling point.

1:01:26 The black lady that saved the world with this, you know what I'm saying, her cells that was able to make this vaccine. That would be the selling point, but you know what? Then we got to talk about her and Johns Hopkins. How they stole her cells, how she was experiment on basically, and then it's more, creates more distrust, which this is why they can't use her as an asset. This is the story I wanted. This is the new Tuskegee story. This is the Tuskegee times a hundred. You wait, you wait until we go all the way down this rabbit hole. Now I see an article in the Hindustan Times. Uh-huh, of course. Hello India! Yeah, Henrietta Lacks cells were used to carry out research for the first polio vaccine, first in vitro fertilization for cancer, most recently for studying the effects of SARS-CoV replication in the human body.

1:02:19 Right. That's the top hit. Hindustan Times. Way to go American media. When we see stuff that's missing, that speaks louder than the things that are there because it's like why is this big... I mean... This if if they didn't take the sales in the way they did she would be celebrated as like I said as Black girl magic this is the male this this is the black lady that saved the world But they can't do it because then it brings up more questions about experimentation on black people and it's fascinating that they've suppressed this and I'm looking at the timeline this this official trailer was created in 2017 is it like did they create Oprah and

1:03:06 to spin this because you heard her say in the clip, oh Johns Hopkins didn't do nothing. Yeah, yeah. That's insane. And this was from when? This was from 2017. Are you talking about when it happened? It happened in 1951. No, no, no, the Oprah thing. That's 2017? Okay. Yeah, and what Hopkins, I mean, now you can fill me in because you've been on top of the whole COVID thing. The 201 thing out of Hopkins? Event 201, yeah. Right. So that planning, is this part of it? Well, it was certainly around the time they were planning it. I mean... Right.

1:03:48 You've given me a... we definitely... it's like pump the brakes a bit, Mo. I mean, it's like my head's spinning here. It's just something I've never heard of. Well, let's listen to 16. Let your head start spinning and we'll come back on the backside of the clip. Johns Hopkins says it did not profit. The family got nothing. But for the next generation, there is a new mission now. You can't help but be proud of what is done. So when you think about that, it's like, okay, something bad happened, but something so much good has come from it. David Lacks now sits on a board at the National Institutes of Health, helping to decide just what Henrietta's gene sequence is used for. I think we ought to think of the Lacks family as some of the greatest philanthropists.

1:04:31 in medicine of all time. They speak around the country urging doctors to never forget the patient behind the Petri dish. She was a woman, she was black with limited education, limited finances and look what she has done for the world. Rebecca Skloot has set up a foundation for the Lackses and others who've contributed to science without their consent. If anyone had taken just a few minutes to listen to her and answer her questions, it would have changed the whole story for her, for her family. A family now taking back its history. I think what we're trying to say is that her life really mattered. A legacy just like Henrietta's cells

1:05:21 living on. Kristen Dahlgren, NBC News, Los Angeles. Again, all 2017, I guess. Yes, and this is the crump effect, right? When you see these people tragically killed, they bring in the crump. And I think crump is maybe involved in this family. You might can fact check me on the fly, but This is the effect, right? You bring it in, make the family, you know, well, we forgive John Hopkins and in the movie you say they didn't do any, Johns Hopkins, let me correct that. They didn't do anything really. They didn't, you know, they didn't profit from it. It's that word profit. Yeah, crump, crumps in, crumps in. You nailed it. You nailed it. It's the crump effect. It's,

1:06:11 Tragedy happens, he comes in, smooth the waters, and this is an article from July 31st, 2021. Nah, the bag wasn't big enough. Dang. Because they said millions, and when they say, you can't be one of the biggest philanthropists, I can't even say that word. Philanthropists. It's a toughie. Thank you, sir. I got a lot of real estate with these lips moving around. I wouldn't know, Mo, I've never seen you. You're a mystical figure. Yeah, so I'm sure he's like millions, you know, Crump's ears probably perked up. We're talking billions here And so the bag wasn't big enough so the family's probably coming after John Hopkins so Wow

1:06:56 But it gets deeper. But wait, there's much more. There's much more. So we have, this is from Johns Hopkins Medicine YouTube page and this is Henrietta Lacks, her impact in our outreach. At the center of the Henrietta Lack story are people asking questions. For people trying to understand the biology of human cells, it's there. For bioethicists, for patients, this is why Johns Hopkins is committed to outreach and education for all the community. It's a labor of love.

1:07:35 We all feel like we're connected to this beautiful woman, who we call the mother of medicine. It really makes you think about how powerful an impact one person unknowingly could make. I would say that Henrietta is probably if not the most important, certainly one of the most important women in science and medicine. And we all learn and follow Henrietta Lack's legacy as we contribute to research and medicine. Henrietta Lacks was a 31 year old woman admitted to Johns Hopkins in 1951 for the diagnosis and treatment of cervical cancer. Unfortunately, she had a very aggressive cancer and within a year she had died.

1:08:26 As part of the care she received at Johns Hopkins, the cells from her cervix were brought into a laboratory and cultured and have become the first human living cell line which has allowed us to learn remarkable things about how human cells function. Yeah, when this whole, when this crump thing propped up, I think this is when they started posting these videos on their website and on YouTube. Mm-hmm. and care. It's like, what kind of care did you give her? You stole her sales or cultured this. That's what they want to say. Oh, they, I mean, we cultured her sales, but they're still her, her body. I mean, like she can never rest in peace. I mean, I mean, if you want to think about it in that way, it's, uh, it's although not exactly the same, it's like, you can't just be printing up t-shirts with Elvis on it.

1:09:20 Correct. It's not exactly the same, but I think it's even more egregious. But I don't know if there's any... Likeness, likeness. I mean, I mean... Yeah, I just don't know if there's any law. I don't know what the law is about that. There should be for sure. Screw that. And what idiots, what idiots, John Hopkins, would be like, I don't know, here's a check. Be quiet. They, I think they tried, but you talking in terms of millions. When you get crump on the scene, that's right, the bag expands. The bag has to be much bigger. And that's the thing. The family was playing along in 2017. Right, with the movie and everything. But now they're looking now and they're like, hold on, grandma was part of the COVID vaccine? Well, no, I think it's different. This is, oh, wait a minute, look at this guy, what he did for George Floyd's family, you know.

1:10:09 I'm just saying about a money like in the news, this is a billion dollar industry. And they're like, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait. And y'all gave us whatever the amount was fill in the blank. I don't know what it was or positions or praise or no. Right. This board advisory board position, I think I heard. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, of course, when you see crump, Now that's one thing about Krump, it's about the money. I mean he's coming for the mula. So that's another thing that we, that's why I said that I can never do a full show on any of these because the story's unfinished but these are kind of things that we need to keep our eye on. Yeah. Of will they use her as a topic or not. So same thing with LeBron's situation. So now we have Rebecca Sleuth

1:10:54 Scoot I think it's scoot scoot scoot scoot This is the this is democracy nap democracy now and their mortal life As we continue our conversation with Rebecca Skloot, the author of the bestselling book, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, we're doing the story today because this week Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, has just named a building after Henrietta Lacks. They were there with the Lacks family, members of the Lacks family, and today we're going to talk

1:11:35 about a woman who you may have never heard of or maybe you just heard about her name because this book has been on the bestseller list for so many years, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. Rebecca, it's great to have you stay with us. Can you talk about how you discovered the story? Yeah, I learned about the cells when I was 16 in a basic biology class. Most people do. My teacher, you know, he talked about the HeLa cells and all the amazing things they've done for science. And then he happened to know her name. Most people actually at that point in time knew her as Helen Lane, which was a fake name basically that was put out connected to the cells. And he wrote Henry Lacks on the board in big letters and just said she was a black woman and that was it. And I went up to him after class and I was like what else do we know about her? Did she have any kids? And what do they think about all this? And he just said sorry no one knows anything.

1:12:22 And I just became obsessed with this question of who this woman was and what we can do, what happened and why we didn't know. It seemed so... And you were in high school. It was kind of inconceivable to me. Interesting, there was an alias out there. Yeah, big knockoffs. It's like Helen Lange. Oh, instead of Chanel, it says Channel. Yeah, exactly. Right, right. So these were knockoffs. I mean, they got these sales on Canal Street. That's so disgusting. Like they knew that you don't lie about that. No. They didn't feel like you did anything wrong. Oh my goodness. This is a scandal.

1:13:02 And another point is we're coming up right on the 70 year anniversary. I'm sure Crump's looking at it as well, like, hey. Say her name. Say her name. Right. Say her name. Henrietta Lacks. I'm sure you're going to want to do something from the Henrietta Lacks building. You don't want me to have my goons out there. Yeah. And Al's people joining us. They're noisy. Yeah. So, I mean, this is a very volatile situation. For how they play this because this only stokes the fire if crump crump knows where he has them Because he's like you're trying to convince black people Tuskegee's kind of blowing over and then this story blows up on a 78 70th year anniversary You basically stole this woman and it's a woman and it's a woman and a black woman. Oh, I

1:13:54 Oh, this is so good, Mo. Wow. Thanks, man. I love you for this. This is great. I'm glad. I'm glad you appreciate this. I love it. Yeah, this is excellent. These people are so evil! 19! Well, talk about the history of medical experimentation in the black community, for example. And you had to do a lot of work and research for your remarkable book, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. For example, the Tuskegee experiment. Yeah, there's a long history of black people being used in research without their consent in this country. And one of the most famous examples of that is the Tuskegee Syphilis Studies, though it had been happening in the slavery era and beyond.

1:14:41 And the Tuskegee studies were sort of one of the most unethical things I think that's probably happened in science in the United States. Hundreds of black men were essentially studied, they had syphilis, and they were studied to watch how syphilis killed you from infection to death. And they weren't offered treatment even when treatment was available. So at a certain point you could have cured this with antibiotics and they weren't given the option and didn't know that they were part of this experiment. And so it wasn't, it was at the end of that. There was actually a lot of press surrounding that and it did a tremendous amount of damage to trust within black communities when it comes to science and medical, getting medical care.

1:15:22 So that's just one in a long line of sort of stories in history. And Henrietta's story has been that within certain areas where people know about her, like in East Baltimore around Hopkins. It's sort of been oral history passed through black communities as part of why it's hard to trust science. Ooh, nice little tag there. Hard to trust science. Uh-huh. And as she says, Baltimore, aka the Black Butterflies, what it's called because they have this slim section of white neighborhoods and then outside of it is blackness on both sides of Baltimore. So

1:16:04 This was kind of known in the area locally, like Hopkins. Yeah, they experiment on you. Wow. It's the same thing with Grady down Atlanta, right? Shady Grady. Yeah, which he had a very suspect past. It's like all of these hospitals are named after or have histories that are problematic, to use a term. My mouth is hanging open right now. And please tell me this all stems from me bitching about the Tuskegee story, that you decided to check out another rabbit hole.

1:16:41 Yeah, or kind of fell on your lap. Yeah, well, no, what happens is when you ask me a question, I give you a short answer, but then if I can give you a longer answer, maybe the producers have the same question. So it's like, let me go ahead and address this. And then with the LeBron thing, it just fit in like, you know, that's perfect. Yeah, it's perfect. This is fantastic. Very interesting. And the only the only sad thing is this interview is Democracy Now with Amy Goodman. She's like the kiss of death for stories. I mean once you're on Democracy Now, it's like you're going nowhere. Yeah, it's like we covered it. It's that kind of thing, right? What do you mean it wasn't on PBS? Look over here, Democracy Now. Yeah. Right. So I mean, and like I said, the Tata two together, they, I didn't do this, they tied Tuskegee with the Red Alliance. Yeah, that was a good one. But then they tried to salshew it though, like in certain areas it's the same, but it's not like Tuskegee. So I mean, this is damage control and

1:17:41 Like, we don't want to piss off the people at Hopkins, right? But we have to kind of, it's like a limited hangout is the perfect time. Sure. Sure. So. Let's go ahead and get into part three. Yeah, so Henrietta, one of the most amazing things to me about this moment is Henrietta actually knew there was something wrong. She just sort of sensed it and she actually found this tumor herself right on the outside of her cervix and went to Hopkins and just sort of went in and said, I have this lump and you need to It needs to be looked at. And in that moment, you know, she went to Hopkins because it was the only place where she could go as a black woman. This was the era of segregation. So there was colored wards and, you know, the white wards in hospitals and most places wouldn't actually didn't have a colored ward so she couldn't even go.

1:18:27 And the thinking at the time was sort of, you know, the people who ended up in what they referred to as the public ward were either black or they were poor and they couldn't afford care. And the thinking was, well, we're giving you free medical care as payment. We get to do whatever we want with you, essentially. And so there was a lot of research that was conducted in these wards that people didn't know about at the time. And so Henrietta showed up, she ended up going under anesthetic to get this biopsy of her cervix and that's when the doctor just took a little extra piece and put that in a dish and sent it to George Guy who was the head of tissue culture research and had been trying to grow cells for decades. And what happened then?

1:19:09 And they never died. Yeah, so her cells... And most cells died? They've been able to keep cells alive... Pardon? No, well, so they've been able to keep cells alive for maybe 24 hours in the past, but hers just... Not only did they not die, but they began doubling their numbers every 24 hours. So they just grew with this incredible intensity that no one had ever seen before. Like a cash machine. It's a popular phrase, I don't know if it's just solely in the black community, but we don't die, we multiply. This is literally that. You can't kill us. You take us out, take her cells out.

1:19:47 And they won't die. And not only don't they don't die, but they grow with this tremendous amount of vigor. It's amazing. And it's like, the sad thing is we should be celebrating this woman for her. And like I said, she's the mother of modern medicine because a lot of things could happen. But the fact that it was done under such shady, you know, You know, I hear this and you know, yeah, we can't trust science because of this. My mind immediately goes to the poorest neighborhoods in America where Planned Parenthood is based. Who the hell knows what they're doing? Who the hell knows what's going on?

1:20:34 And now you see why not only Tuskegee, but free health care in general, or when black people went and got health care, it's like, well, you know they're going to take something. I mean, why are they in there? And that built the distrust between the medical, they're talking about, it's a distrust between doctors and black people. I mean, there's a real distrust there because one, all you have is a knife or a pill for me. And then you hear these stories, Shady Grady in Atlanta, I mean in Atlanta, yeah, you hear Hopkins in Baltimore and I'm sure every major city has a hospital that if you go in you ain't coming out. I mean, but that's the narrative with the ventilators now, right? If you go in and you ain't coming out, it's like that's the narrative and welcome to the bottom.

1:21:24 No, we've been bouncing around here for a while Moe. It's recognized. You've been like, you've latched on to the bottom now. It's becoming firm that it's not race anymore. It's your status. And if you don't want to take it, then you're on the bottom. And as you heard her say that, you know, And that makes me wonder, like, if you give me this thing, this stuff for free, what comes along with it? They always take something. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, just as an aside to that, I was watching an Israeli talk show. It was a clip from it which was subtitled.

1:22:10 It's so funny. The people are outraged because now they're learning that Israel was really a giant laboratory for Pfizer. And I think it wasn't that obvious? It was like that was the only one you could get. It was and everyone was talking about it that way. And now all of a sudden people like, hey, wait a minute, we were used as a giant experiment, a giant Petri dish. Well, speaking of Israel, we got to go back to show 29. And this is clip number 21. For several years, the Israeli government was forcibly administering birth control to a segment of its minority population, with doctors injecting Ethiopian Jewish women against their will with a contraceptive, Deprovera.

1:22:53 But it wasn't until this January that a government official finally acknowledged it. And while the government has finally put an end to this inhumane, insane population control tactic, the story has shed a light on a dangerous contraceptive that's now being pushed and administered on women of color all over the world, including right here in the U.S. So here to talk about the use of Depo Rivera and how this is targeting minority populations in both here and abroad I'm joined now by Randy short president and national spokesperson for the anti-depo Rivera clergy coalition. Yeah eugenics The same place the same place Unbelievable, you know, I was reading actually it was part of my basketball team ownership research Okay, and you know the Nazis

1:23:41 We all know about operate we've talked about operation paperclip and how they brought over a whole bunch of the Nazis including Werner von Braun But in World War two there were two brothers who had a legal firm and and they Represented a lot of the US companies who were doing business with the Nazis IBM General Motors Ford I'm sorry Ford Dulles Okay. The Dulles brothers, of course. And Alan Dulles went on to create the CIA. And it has an airport name from right here in DC. Yeah, also instrumental in appointing Hoover as creating the FBI. I mean, to me, it's like, it's a very, it's an easy hop to say the Nazis, you know, they came in, they never left. They're still up to their old tricks. With the Schwarze! And now they're doing it to everybody.

1:24:36 That's the ultimate goal, right? I mean that was the ultimate goal then and they're persistent little buggers. They don't stop. You know, thank God, you know, it must be the weed because I really, if I think about this too much, you know, I just need to go to sleep at night. It's just, it's so, it's almost so, it's so obvious what's, what probably is going on here that you don't want to believe it. And that's the crazy part. It's like but you have to that's why we discuss this in gallows humor and laugh about it Of course because you have to mock it. That's the only well the only way to break the spells. We got a market All right. So speaking of which now we get to get into the history of Johns Hopkins and his influence on and how is it how his influence haunts Baltimore

1:25:28 Welcome to The Real News. I'm Jaisal Noor. Johns Hopkins, a renowned institution of higher education medicine. Its name is synonymous with Baltimore, where it serves as the largest private employer. Its technological and medical breakthroughs routinely make the news. But recently, Hopkins has grabbed headlines for a different reason. It's found itself the target of protests by community members, students, and its own workers who say it's harming the very people it's supposed to serve. They point to Hopkins' own legacy in a city that remains haunted by inequality, racism, and segregation. Well, joining us in our studio today is a leading expert on these topics, Antaro Piyatela. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for inviting me. So let's start with who Johns Hopkins was and why he decided to fund a hospital and a university, which at the time would... His idea at the time, this was in the 19th century, was to create institutions that would serve everybody, including African Americans.

1:26:30 So talk about who he was and why he decided to do that. Well Johns Hopkins was a direct descendant of William the Conqueror, the Duke from Normandy who overran England in 1066. And so his folks, they came from Wales in England. And there were two brothers who went to Rhode Island and four other brothers, they came to the Baltimore area and two of them then ended up in today's Crofton in Anne Arundel County where they received several hundred acres of tobacco land from the King of England. So he was a notable person to begin with, came from notable family.

1:27:11 Mm-hmm white privilege just so happens he had bloodlines back to William the Conqueror. What do you know? What do you know? So just for people that don't know who William the Conqueror is, are you familiar with him? I don't know much about him. I am actually because of my European schooling so. I figured you were that's why I want you to I'm gonna lean on you on this one but let's get everybody caught up with who William the Conqueror is. William of Normandy, known as the Conqueror, arrived on the Channel Coast from France in 1066. It has become the one date every English schoolchild knows. As a contemporary writer noted, in this year came William out of Normandy. King Harold came to oppose him and fought most resolutely. And there was great slaughter on both sides.

1:28:11 The Battle of Hastings was fought here, at a town named Battle, on the south coast of England. Harold the Saxon King was slain with an arrow through his eye on this ridge, where William later built an abbey to celebrate his victory. England was overcome by force of arms for the last time and the country had new rulers with very new ideas of how to keep their subjects in order. William's first act on landing at Pevensey was to erect a wooden fort within the old Roman walls, standing on the site of the present castle. He quickly followed it with one of the best-known buildings in the world, the Tower of London.

1:29:04 Standing on the banks of the Thames, nothing like it had been seen before. The White Tower, built with stone brought from Normandy, dominated the early London skyline and the minds of those that saw it. This was a potent symbol of the new order. In short, it was a castle. J.H. really comes from good stock, huh? How convenient. I mean, they erected huge buildings, you know, that dominate the people's... It's the same thing with Johns Hopkins Hospital now in the middle of these poor Baltimore neighborhoods, right? You have this huge building.

1:29:44 Am I reach in my space jam reaching here? Just let me know. I mean, no, you are. And the reason why I know a little bit about this is because I still have my stamp book, although my although I think I sold my my penny black, which was probably worth some good money now. And I collected British stamps as 14 year old. And I have a first edition, you know, like, what do you call that? Like the first day it comes out, I forgot even what the name is. And you get a little block and it was the Battle of Hastings. It had all the whole story of the Battle of Hastings all as one stamp block. And so that rings true. The story's true. I have the stamps to prove it. I got receipts. To bring in a new order. Oh yeah, of course to bring in the new order. Are you kidding me? I don't make this stuff up. I mean, so let's get back to John's the Conqueror.

1:30:39 But segregation soon followed because Baltimore was in the midst of a major racial change. In 1899 was the turning point when Democrats came back to power in Baltimore under the slogan, this is a white man's city. So all this was reflected in the admission policies of the hospital which continued to treat black patients but now in separate wards. In your book, you do an incredible job of detailing how the leadership of Hopkins, this elite group of people that controlled Hopkins, also played critical roles in Baltimore City and its leadership as well. Talk about how Hopkins, you talk about how it was bankrupt at one time, how it grew in prominence, and who some of these key figures were in shaping its history and its rise.

1:31:34 Well, the first, both the university and the hospital, they were governed by separate boards with lots of overlap. And the initial board members were nominated by Hopkins himself. And then afterwards the connection to Hopkins and his thinking disappeared. And so what we have, there are two interesting developments in the history of the Hopkins complex. And one of them is that Hopkins president and head of the university trustees, they played a major role in fostering residential segregation in Baltimore.

1:32:19 One day, one day we're all gonna wake up and we're gonna realize who the real racists are. Democrats take over, push segregation. Experimentation on black people. Now I gotta give Johns a little, we always humanize here. They just kind of hijacked his name now, right? It's the brain. Of course, of course. But it's the mentality of superiority and that You're poor you need medical help your body is the only commodity you have let's swap You know I'll give you help now in the short term if you let me have a piece of you know sent down the line and and that's It's an old story man. It's an old story in many different versions And people wonder why there's district trust me when people went into those hospitals and

1:33:13 I know this being from a small town in North Carolina. It's like when you go in, you don't come out right. You know, I mean that's just and this is it's fascinating to hear people lose trust in the medical system in the way that it does. Okay, so you're telling you're giving me new information. I mean this is this is new from our conversation this this I mean, this experimentation. I mean, this is mind-blowing. I thought I knew pretty much everything about every kind of story, particularly of something of this magnitude, but they kept this from my view. This is unbelievable. Yeah, and it's not like people would know what happened to them. Like, oh, they took this out. No, but you just knew you weren't yourself when you came. I mean, like, you only go to the hospital if you have to.

1:34:05 That's like, you know, like, like, uh, well, I'm weighing my odds here and it's... I gotta go. That kind of thing. It's not like you knew that they did something to you, but that distrust is built in. So I think we stopped at 24. I guess we can get into 25. Hopkins is an interesting story in the sense that what I do in my book, I go through the ethnic rotations in those neighborhoods and the pattern was The area around Hopkins initially was largely German.

1:34:42 Then it became Irish, then it became largely Jewish, and then African Americans for various reasons began moving to that area. Now today there is lots of controversy about Hopkins and its remaking of that neighborhood, which is seen as gentrification. And this is East Baltimore. Baltimore. And my point in the book is that gentrification really in terms of Hopkins is largely a misnomer because those neighborhoods before the urban changes and racial changes reached the hospital area, those neighborhoods

1:35:25 They were not poor by any means. So what I see happening in East Baltimore today, instead of gentrification, really is re-gentrification, trying to recreate neighborhoods that are financially solvent and can sustain various neighborhood activities and keep it in good shape. And you in your book you write that in 1970 the Hopkins Hospital's director of planning wrote quote a hostile black community Constantly reminded of past expansion limits future enlargement of the site the characteristics of the neighborhood make the area uncongenial for employees staffs and students Hold on a second So now did they

1:36:11 Did they have a hand in this to expand? I mean obviously we know what the ultimate goal was but... What happens is they want to expand. And they just need to make the neighborhood crap so they can tear it down. Correct, and that's what we're seeing, what I believe we're seeing everywhere now. Everywhere, East Austin, everywhere. But you see these memes of videos. Hello the wire. Right, so you ride down, you see this, it's a meme that's going around now of a street in Philadelphia. Where a guy's kind of riding in the car and he has like the fixed camera and he's catching all these zombie-like drug addicts. This is how they justify mass incarceration. See, this is planned obsolescence of people.

1:37:05 You take out the serious people, serious people moving to, you know, like people from California that are going to Austin or New York's going to Florida, all these things. All you leave now is a crime ridden cities. It's like, well, somebody gots to come in and clean it up, right? I mean, that's, I mean, it's only the right thing to do. Welcome Larry Elder. Right. You drive down the property value with all the drug addicts, the drugs, the fentanyl, the carfentanil and everything else. And guess what? Now you come in and bought up pennies on the dollar. You know what, it pisses me off. This is what we initially connected on when I was talking about on Noah Jim. Nipsey Hussle. Yeah, about Nipsey Hussle and I'd kind of seen this happen. And then, you know, after I've seen The Wire, by the way, God bless Omar, they got Omar. Yeah. That sucks. Going back to Jay-Z, going back to, you know, the Brooklyn Stadium, it's all the same story.

1:38:05 We saw the same thing in New York, the same thing. I think we're seeing it in Austin. East Austin is... We had to leave. That horrible, but it was really just around the corner. Huh? You know, it's coming you can read the tea leaves like I did yeah I did down the street is yeah, it's people getting cars again broken to every night down the street Is it maybe time to move before they move up the block? Breaking in you there's a killing every night. We've had 60 in Austin this year all-time record. Oh But that's allowed to happen. Yes. To draw down the property value. So when you come to buy it in, this is what happened in Hopkins with the wire and everything else. But just don't believe me and you.

1:38:52 Let's listen to clip number four. And that takes me to my next question, the relationship between Hopkins and the local black residents in East Baltimore. You talk about and the relationship of medical institutions in general. You talk about from doctors to robbing graves. You have a section in your book about that, which is really fascinating. You talk about how Hopkins was known as the plantation and there's also people like Henrietta Lacks, whose genetic material was harvested by Hopkins without her consent as well. That's true. And so one of the Hopkins presidents once said that Hopkins is not a good neighbor. And all this has come to play in East Baltimore, where

1:39:43 People remember the days when the homes of 1,200 black people were demolished in order for Hopkins. to construct a dormitory housing 200 white nurses and doctors. So there is lots of distrust toward the Hopkins. And in the recent controversies that we soon talk about, all this has come to play. Everything that Hopkins has done in the past, all its crimes have been mentioned. Henrietta Lacks experiments with lead paint, all kinds of other stuff.

1:40:21 They tore down the towers. If you're listening on a podcasting 2.0 compatible app, you know what to do. Boost! You gotta boost that. They tore down the towers. Just like in The Wire. Yes, it's exactly the same. And the reason why I know this relationship, because this is a strange relationship, because he started out saying that Hopkins is the number one employer I think in Baltimore, maybe in Maryland. I can't recall, but I'll just say Baltimore. The reason why I know this is I'm from Durham. Duke is the same way. So it's like, you know these things happen like with Duke and the hospital and these kind of things. But at the same time, a lot of people eat from them, literally.

1:41:09 nurses, housekeeping, these types of jobs. So it's this weird relationship that it has with the neighborhood and the people that live in them. Yeah, keep on going Moe. I got nothing. This is great. This is like the best. It's like finding a gem on Netflix. You know, it's like holy crap. It's like when I watched that damn octopus documentary with the guy living with an octopus for a year. That's how good this is. It's like octopus level good.

1:41:45 So now, caution people, caution. Oh boy. Trigger warning, we have one. We're about to get some pure uncut AJ here. This is Alex Jones and I'm gonna play the full clip that I took the snippet from concerning Henrietta Lacks. And I found the former Pfizer employee who heads up the project for the main level four bioweapons lab in London, England that we'll be telling you about and I watched seven or eight of his videos and then read, scanned over dozens of his papers. And by the time I was done, my jaw was on the ground and it went right back to Henrietta Lacks that we told you about. This black woman that got eaten alive by cancer in one week and they cut her uterus out, stole it.

1:42:38 It's the basis of all human cloning everything today the cells won't die They have factories all the world that just create her cells, and I already knew all this but my god I didn't know they cloned her in 1966 they spliced her with mice in 1966 I mean we, I mean folks, you seen the thing where it like jumps on things and eats them? That's what ate her. And they even say they don't believe it's human, doesn't have our genome, doesn't have our chromosomes, and they call it another species and debate whether what was in her uterus is an alien. I'm gonna show you Wikipedia and then I'm gonna show you the actual documents. Now,

1:43:22 This little fella right here, because let me tell you, I'm not going to pretend to know exactly what they're doing, but let's just say this, it's world ending, baby. They're putting Henrietta Lacks' selves in you. I love Alex. He always gives you something to think about. And man, he's been pretty damn close on a lot of things. I need to have, I got questions. Was it an alien? Like, seriously, like, They're not telling us something here. These genes, these, excuse me, these cells just grow like nobody's business. I know I'm being tongue in cheek when I say alien, but what is it? Because that makes me ask, what are you putting in me or trying to put in me? You know, these are real, I mean, I'd say this, like I said, we use Gallo's human here, but it's based on a real question of,

1:44:20 If you have such a great product, tell me what it is. Well, now let's just be clear. I'm not 100% sure that her cells are being put into any vaccine. Her cells are being used to develop a vaccine. I could be wrong. I don't know. No, what I'm saying is we're talking just in generalities here of Because nobody knows. Somebody knows something. What I mean, even if a doctor sat down and explained it to me, I still wouldn't know. You see what I'm saying? But the narrative is, why are you hiding this lady from us? Which she's an American hero. I mean, if you tell a story, but it's like, no, you don't want to tell the story because then you have to tell the whole story. So it's like, oh, well,

1:45:08 You know, they play this weird game of like, she's so great but we can't talk about her. Because of the... well, okay, so what your hypothesis here is that the... well, we can't really talk about her because John Hunt, this is the controversial, that that's kind of covering up something even more sinister. It creates more questions than it answers. For sure it does. And when questions come in, doubts come in, and when doubts come in, I'm more reluctant not to go along with it. What's interesting is, is this the same story Tina was telling me about and she just read a headline? I don't know. I mean, I'm curious. I mean, because I haven't seen her name come up anywhere. No, Tina said, oh, did you hear about the woman who got cancer and seven days later she was dead?

1:45:59 And I said, no, that's horrible. And she said, and I said, well, what about it? She said, no, I just, I've been reading. She admits right away, I didn't really read it. But I think this story must be maybe because of Alex. This isn't a recent Alex Jones episode? Yes. So that's why it's probably out there. So it's floating around if it's reaching us. It's floating. But Tina's deep, man. She's, the keeper goes deep and wide. So I don't know. I don't know where she's picked that up. Shout out to the keeper. Yeah. Oh, yeah, but as he said I'm taking his when you say stuff like that like she had an alien in her uterus it makes it like very dismissible But I understand why he does that because it makes headlines and it gets the word out there If you sit there with a PowerPoint and boring and like people you bore people to death so it's like

1:46:58 Let me look this up. It's alien or a uterus kind of thing, but... This is not foreign to Alex. I mean, he's been saying this. My God, for 25 years, they've been growing babies in cows. So he's been kind of tracking that, you know? Right, so he did say that they're growing factories is growing her sales all around the world. I believe let's go Over to dr. Oz and real healer sales and go ahead That's her there are millions of Henrietta's cells in there Wow

1:47:39 Like in the movie when she has it she goes She's cold. That's right. This is warm. This is so these are the real selves just drew them. We we did not eat not even have the real cells in the movie, Dr. Oz. This is fantastic. That is fantastic. The guys at New York Medical College drew these for us. Come on over here. I actually put some under the microscope. I want you to see them with your own eyes. Rose, go ahead and take a look. Yes. Don't poke your eyes out. Look carefully. Rose, this is just like in the movie. Oh my goodness, it is. She looks like a journalist scientist now, doesn't she? Wow. Wow. And we're going to put them up in the big monitor. This is just like I know, isn't that great? So you guys go ahead and look, and when Rosa's done, Oprah take a look. Gorgeous. And everybody else, this is what Oprah's seeing back here. Gorgeous. She's seeing all the cells. And you see the little black dotted ones? The little black dots are the nucleus. That's actually her DNA, Henrietta's DNA. Oh my gosh, that is fascinating. And then the gray stuff is the cells. Cool. That is so cool. I know. Yes! Done it, Dr. Oz, that is good. Done it again.

1:48:38 It's been cool for everyone at home. I have the author, Rebecca Smoot here. We're looking at the cells. Have you seen them before? I have seen the cells. Many times. Let's hold a little bit of, here, you sit right there with Dr. Oz. I have never held the actual cells in my hand. They're yours. Wow. Don't drop them. You know, there's a healer. You get a healer. Yeah, you get a healer and everybody in the crowd take some healer home. Like seriously, y'all peddling human remains. I mean, I hate to say it. I mean, I know I'm being hyperbolic here, but what I'm just saying is for Oprah to be on television.

1:49:18 And we say about women, you know, whatever about, you know, people's bodies and their rights and whatever. And y'all are just peddling Henrietta Lacks around like, oh, take some home with you. Oh, we just fresh grew them like the tomatoes. Fresh from the farm to the table. Fuck, what? I thought that's the most disgusting clip out of all I've got so far. Um, for years they've been talking about the eugenicists actually want to make superhumans. You gotta wonder, you gotta wonder, you know, is Henrietta Lacks, well that, maybe that can make people self-regenerate? I don't, I don't know where they're headed. Who the heck knows? But, uh, wow, yeah.

1:50:08 And this again put it put it on the board. We're watching George. Yes, we're watching I can't watch anything else now. I'm gonna be scouring the webs. We got to find more about this What's happening right now? This is good. Well what we don't do is peddling Heal the cells so we ought to thank producers. Yes, this would be a good time to do it first of all First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it.

1:50:53 Yeah, and that's exactly what we're doing here at MoFax with Adam Curry and we are back on our schedule and glad to see that people are supporting the show. We've got the producers out in full force. This is value for value. It's the only way this will ever work. None of this would be a very dangerous show to have advertised. We'd be without advertisers one way or the other because we wouldn't have made it out the first block. A block and you're done and you're done. That's right. Oh, yeah, it's like those guys. Yeah Okay, let me just give them a little call make sure they understand what's going on So to to make sure we are immune from the boulay phone We do it value for value and you can support us through PayPal and cash app in a number of ways if you go to Mo fund me calm and of course you always want to take a look at Mo facts calm

1:51:41 everything's out on there. And if you're using a Podcasting 2.0 compatible app, you can boost us. And I think we now have the Boostagrams hooked up, so you can also send a message along with that. And to find an app for that, go to newpodcastapps.com. For now, we're going to kick it off with our executive producers for episode number 66. We start right off with... Paula! Shotcaller! 20-inch blades! Only in Paula! $280 from Emily Andrews, the big baller for today's show. She's writing quite a note, but it's a nice one that I'm happy to share with everybody.

1:52:17 Mo and Adam, thank you so much for the work the past two years. Sorry for the long note, but I feel like the background to help you understand where I'm coming from and the impact your conversations has had on me. I believe your podcast single-handedly saved me from menticide. Which, anything with the word side in it and we're saving you from it, I'm happy to say that. I've seen this term cropping up, so we need to keep an eye on it. We need to put that on the news board. Yes, in fact I think I discussed it on NOA Agenda a few weeks back. Menticide, indeed. She continues, I'm a white woman who grew up in a suburb of the Dallas, Texas area. I can honestly say that growing up race really wasn't something I noticed, but it wasn't because I didn't learn history. I learned about slavery starting in the first grade. I learned about Jim Crow and the civil rights movement in the third grade. I lived in a middle class neighborhood with all colors and religions. Race seemed irrelevant in the modern era and I didn't even associate it with different cultures. People were American unless they told me otherwise.

1:53:13 When I went off to college at the University of Texas, I was totally blindsided by the idea that racism was still such an issue for people. I didn't even know stereotypes like black people are criminals or they like fried chicken or they're bad at school because I wasn't in a culture that demonstrated that or even mentioned it as a thing. And of course being from the South myself, fried chicken was a staple food and everyone likes fried chicken. Even more baffling to me was the people who were loudly lambasting the fact that these stereotypes existed would turn around and act like they were reality. Moving to Seattle, Washington, it was even worse. The people complaining about redlining the most would often lament the property value reduction when black people moved into their neighborhood. They would talk about how it was just black culture to not want to excel in schools and not to have fathers in the house, which I knew wasn't true from my experience in the South.

1:54:06 They would complain about gentrification and white flight in the same conversation. It was troubling, but I finally came to the conclusion that the cities and the northerners were still suffering from racism and weren't integrated yet. I wasn't sure why or what to do other than to love the people where they were and help them move to less racist ideology. But my heart finally broke when the George Floyd race riots broke out. It seemed like all the childhood friends I loved dearly Saw my skin color before my character. People I treated like my siblings suddenly accused me of being a white supremacist because I was scared to have people rioting outside the hospital while I was there for preterm label with twins at 28 weeks. Seems like the America from my childhood was finally dead and my children would never experience it.

1:54:50 A co-worker of mine pointed me to your podcast and honestly, it's been a huge relief to know that my observations about these people aren't just in my head. I feel like this huge weight has been lifted and I have so much more understanding about what's going on with my black brothers and sisters. Hearing the clips about Malcolm X in particular has opened my eyes about how even what I consider to be a decently accurate historical education may have misframed what was going on. It's given me hope that we can someday come together as Americans. I had a couple of questions. First, what resources would you recommend to learn more about Malcolm X? I've tried to find some of his speeches online but they really aren't accessible. Are there books that would be good for someone who wants to at least supplement the education of the public school system if not homeschooled? I was thinking about creating some sort of civil rights curriculum that integrates your work but I don't want to steal your pancake mix so let me know if that's cool. If I were to monetize I would like to offer 50-50 but I'm sure I

1:55:47 I'm not sure I want to monetize just yet since this would be for social good. Mo. The best resource is YouTube. To be honest with you, I mean, people have pieced together all his, most of the clips that are remaining. And for book-wise, I always just stick with the Alex Haley version, even though we know Alex Haley was I hate to use the word like this, but maybe compromise in a way to tamper now some of uh Malcolm's uh rhetoric. Um so yeah those are to be my two main sources um because when you read his clip when you read his quotes they don't hit the same way as when you hear him. Oh I totally agree with that yeah it's funny uh

1:56:36 The middle school teacher, a friend of ours was over and she's very progressive and that's cool because we're friends. But I asked her, I said, there was something about, you know, she was all hot and bothered about, you know, some trial balloon that has the teachers convinced that there's going to be law against teaching critical race theory and they won't be able to talk about Frederick Douglass. I mean, seriously, so they've been convinced of this. And I say, and I just, in talking to her, I said, how about Malcolm X? You know, what do you think of Malcolm X? She said, yeah, yeah.

1:57:14 It's okay, you know, have you ever read any Malcolm X? Yeah, a little bit. I liked him a lot better after he became Nation of Islam because he was so anti-American before that. No, no, I think what she meant was when he left the Nation of Islam. No, I asked her three times. Really? Yes. Yes, you liked him before me like you know who he was Malcolm Detroit rare before he'd fought in the nation so I don't know I don't know well I continue second what do you envision a fully healed America to look like is it like the America of the childhood I grew up in does it look like something else for my podcast where you can talk to people but

1:57:58 You're not obligated to talk to people if you don't want to. I think the forceness of it is ruining everything. Like, oh, I gotta check these boxes, right? I gotta make sure I have the right set mixture of friends and oh, we need, you know, it's, uh, gravitate to people that you're comfortable with. I mean, it seemed like your neighborhood was that way. And if I guess, I just, I don't know. I think it's completely the opposite. I think it's a complete illusion that we're so divided. It's all on Twitter. It's all on television. Go out to the county fair. You know, go to a concert. Go to a comedy show even.

1:58:41 I mean, yeah, not everyone likes every single joke, but I think it's it's We have much more so many more ways of communicating this podcast as an example I think it's actually a lot more in our heads than we know and we're just being told it you know It's almost like manifesting it. Well, that's the thing people. I mean you use the word illusion and that's another word for magic. Yes, right I mean That was your word not mine. So the people feel the spell and So we have to figure out how we make the spell null and void, and then we'll get back to where we need to be at. Third, she asks, a lot for a big baller, but big baller's a big baller. You talk a lot about the gender war. Do you have some suggestions for things women could be doing to support good men? If you need a white woman millennial for the gender bender, Mofax, I'm happy to stand in, though perhaps with a pseudonym.

1:59:32 The number one thing women can do is support other women. We're fine. I mean, like, men, we're fine. It's women when they want to speak up for what they like and men are the ones that shame. So, so stick up for your sister. Also, is there any way we could get most podcasts set up the same way podcast 2.0 infrastructure is the no agenda podcast I'd love to get some chapters Set up of the older episodes. Well all the for a number I don't know how many at least 10 or 15 have chapters which the Dreb Scott does Going back is actually something you can do Emily if you get the hyper catcher app and

2:00:14 It's in the App Store and I think it's only iPhone. Then you can set chapters with images and with comments as suggestions. So you could do that for any older show you'd want to do that for. And you can do it while you're listening, so that would be really cool. And other people can help as well. Anybody can help with that actually, yes. Go find Dreb at podcastindex.social. And to wind it up here for Emily, she says, please give me a D dead beating. Congratulations, you're no longer a deadbeat. And she'd like some good decision-making karma. She's considering quitting her job to become a stay-at-home mom with three young boys. Well, she asked her own question what she could do for me. There you go. Best thing you can do right there. Here's your karma. Thank you very much.

2:01:08 You've got Moe Conway. And she ends your sister in Christ. Thank you very much, Emily. Then we have a, I guess it's a make good. Make good for. And I'll say this, we did not miss you, John. This is on Cash App. I pulled the spreadsheet every time and your donations were not on the last spreadsheet for some odd reason. I don't know why. But I mean, like I said, we're still going to bump you up to the top, but. Jack Dorsey hates you, John. Yeah, this wasn't an omission on our part. So we were very conscious of that last show. Right, so we got two here. We got 65 for episode 65 and 66 as he comes in again for episode 66 today. So we got you there, John. We really appreciate it. Madeline Riley, another executive producer. I love the show. $200, she said. Found y'all when Adam was on Hireside Chats.

2:02:04 Skipped around listen a few episodes, but I'm now start starting with the first one and somewhere in the middle It's very interesting to go back and listen to the shows that are more about current events by it in Chinese virus Etc and compared to what actually happened well sitting on my patio listening to the show I was trying to decide how much I wanted to donate I looked up and saw a hummingbird two feet away from me that has never happened. I A few minutes later, I see the largest butterfly I've ever seen. As I grab my phone to start the donation process, the time is 1-11. Crazy. Sorry for the long message. Appreciate your work. Yes, it's called synchronicity. Thank you very much, Madeline. And uh... Messenger butter, uh, messenger hummingbirds work. I told you Adam Neville would work. I'm just joking. I love that. I think, I think the hummingbird isn't even really even a bird. I think it's a, it's an insect.

2:02:55 Really? Yeah, I think so. Don't ruin that for me. No, it could be a bird for you. I have tons of them out here. Yeah, we have one here too. Tina's really happy because she planted this new thing with the pink flowers or purple flowers and now the hummingbirds are on it. Judy Sigsbee, also $200, Hi Mo, really enjoyed your live stream last night. There you go. Look forward to catching more of those as they happen. Your sharing is a beautiful part of this amazing journey I'm on. After years of challenges, I divorced in 2017 after 35 years and have grown so much from all of the change. God or whatever we name it keeps bringing wonderful teachers into my world and I'm so very grateful. I appreciate your openness and hard work and this is just a down payment. Best of wishes to you and your sweet family.

2:03:43 Isn't that nice? And then we can siphon them off of YouTube. That's the whole point. Yeah, help us siphon it off of YouTube, please. That's exactly what we're trying to do. We're taking them off to podcasting 2.0. And we got to get them in. We got to get them in the loop first. We're very close to the live streaming podcast apps. I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting. Yeah, it's a lot of smart people, a lot smarter than me working on it.

2:04:22 Okay, we've got our last executive producer, Brian Moss, $100 addition to the mandate fund. Yes, the mandate fund indeed. Thank you very much. Then associate executive producer Jonathan Peckham, 6669 says, love is lit. Thanks for all you do. Triple goat, WUSA karma. I think we can do that. You've got Christopher Belsky 6633 hey Mo and Adam first an overdue D douching is in order well You know what we do here is we deadbeat so we're going to give you a D dead beating

2:05:16 Congratulations, you're no longer a deadbeat. I started listening after Adam mentioned the show during his appearance on the Hireside Chats in January. Wow, that really worked. Like that show, your deconstruction of the dark forces and symbolism hiding behind the shiny veneer of public figures and events has been invaluable in transforming the way I see this brave new world of ours. Looking forward to enjoying the show on the new schedule and will hit some more people in the mouth in order to see it continue to grow. I see how much work goes into each episode and personally think that it deserves donation segments at least as robust as no agenda. You're here. Thanks for everything you do. Some mojobs and relationship karma would be greatly appreciated.

2:05:57 We don't have an actual jobs karma, do we? We don't, but we... But we wish you jobs, we wish you good jobs karma with this one. You've got it. Mo' karma. That stuff does work though when everyone talks about it. Chris Bailey, $66, his note. Thank you gentlemen, and we thank you Chris Bailey. Occult fans, Sir Nathan Lee. And I'm going to edit a little bit of his note. He sent us a long note. Sir Nathan Lee says, hey, Moana, congratulations on running such an excellent show. By the way, I have a lot of contact with Sir Nathan. He's a very interesting guy.

2:06:34 You want to talk spells? He always had value. Yeah, if you want to talk spells, he's your man. Yeah. Your work is part of what will be helping heal our world moving forward. There's an American Revolution coming. The astrological work of Molly McCord is worth taking the time to learn from. Find Molly McCord's The Upcoming American Revolution playlist on YouTube to learn more. Take notes and take your time. Just listen to what... I'm subscribed. You subscribe? Mm-hmm. Just listen to what she... I did from this note. I did. Cool. Just listen to see what she says if anything you're not familiar with. astrology but before we go further for fans of the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings both heroes Bilbo and Frodo are born in the books and then the films are born on September 22nd this is often when Lieberg begins which is one of four cardinal points in this case the fall equinox it's also my birthday so even though it's next Wednesday on a noon show Wednesday which is Mercury by non show Wednesday which is Mercury there's no such thing as a non show Wednesday hint hint

2:07:33 I hear what you're saying. That's right. Exactly. There's always a show on some Wednesdays. Okay, Wednesday, which is Mercury. Yes, Mercury, the god of art, commerce and communication, whose color is orange. I would like a biscuit for my 22nd, September 22 birthday. I'm turning 37. Woo-sa! And please give a shout out to my man Joey Jay. I'll take some more karma for the LP I'm working on. I weren't busy enough. I just started my show six of swords that one's back up so moha so I want a WUSA please GBG onwards Great work gentlemen. I'm impressed and more so I'm grateful sir Nathan Lee. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. I'm throwing a goat for you, man Karma, why not? You've got

2:08:27 66 from Clay Wilson. Moe says, the quality of the show just keeps improving and 65 was a particularly great episode. Woo-saws for everyone. Hopefully, quick question, have you seen the HBO series Lovecraft Country? Have you? I have not. I did not watch it, but now I'm have to go back and watch it. Well, of course. Due to the tragic loss of Michael Williams. Not to give away the whole plot, but it revolves around an Ados man in 1950s America who discovers he is the last male line of an ancient magical bloodline and the efforts of two competing Covens attempt to sacrifice him to control his power. Beyond broadcasting many of the themes you have alluded to in many episodes, it is genuinely worth a watch and quite entertaining, if not a little distressing.

2:09:15 It also features the new sadly now late Michael K. Williams aka Omar of the Wire. If you made it that far, look into what was planned from the showrunners for the now cancelled season. Go podcasting! Yes, thank you. Here's a Roussa for everybody. Now I'm gonna have to watch that too. I gotta watch this... I gotta watch this 2017 movie from Oprah. You're gonna be busy. It's gonna be super busy. I don't think there's enough time. There's small doses. I'm telling you. There's small doses, because, you know, trauma-based entertainment, you have to take in a small dose. It can hurt the amygdala. That's true. That's absolutely true. Edwin Torres, 55. GBG, give Blacks guns. I forgot to request deadbeat on my first day of donation. And can I have a biscuit for my birthday on 9-28? You bet. He always give me a biscuit on my birthday.

2:10:15 Congratulations, you're no longer a deadbeat. Chris DeHart, associate executive producer of $50, we thank you Chris. Summer Norris, $50. Mo is the professor I wish I'd had in my African-American lit class circa late 90s, Washington State University. Fascinating dive into the history of Cosby. I loved it too, it was so good. Ramon Johnson $50 our final executive associate associate executive producer for episode number 66 with $50 and Ramon says why not be honest with people about pop control?

2:10:52 Are we not honest about it? The whole show was about population control. What show were you listening to, Ramone? That's the whole point of everything. I mean, we said that in one of the earlier shows that all roads lead to population control. I mean, it's kind of like the, maybe we don't talk about it enough, but it's like understood. Yeah, I think it's been a continuing theme throughout everything. Right. It's like people are like, why don't you do a show on Oprah? She comes up in almost every show. By the way, do you know that the CNN doctor lady who's now always on saying, oh, make him have vaccine passports and go on airplanes and trains and you don't have the right. Do you know who she is, Lena Waithe? No.

2:11:41 She was the former CEO of Planned Parenthood. Oh yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, case in point. Put the eugenicists right out in front with this one. Maybe because we say eugenicists, people don't like link that to population control, but... Well, just go look at the population bomb. This is the same people. Some of them are still around today with the climate change hoopla. They've always been, they being the elites, have always complained about having too many people. Oh, oh it's gonna get out of control. Oh, what are you gonna do? And that's the core of the eugenicists. And then we got the Nazis we brought in apparently and they're still doing cool experiments.

2:12:28 It's a great time to be alive. We don't talk about a name, but just the whole spirit of what's going on. Pretty much. They want us dead, folks. One way or another. Well, thank you very much to these executive producers and associate executive producers of episode number 66 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry. We'll be thanking some more people in another segment coming up. But right now, let's get back to the show. So Ramon wanted some population control, so 30. China tried to ship enough fentanyl into the United States to kill everybody in the US? Yeah, I'm in agreement with that.

2:13:06 Well, sadly, it killed one of our favorite people, Omar, Michael K. Williams, and so we have to talk about it, because since you're a newly minted WIRE fan, which I think WIRE can have it on like, what is it called? Cosplay or Comic Con? Like, that show is popular enough where you could probably have that. Oh yeah. Because when people like everybody said, oh, Omar died. I was like, what? Who? I mean, it raised you like, oh, Omar. And it's like, so. Oh yeah. I mean, I immediately knew it because I just, just fresh from watching. So that's why I was like, oh man, that's sad. Like you just, you know, made everybody aware that you had finished the wire last show. Now this, so. Well, we got to talk about it. So let's go ahead and get into 31.

2:13:58 Well, more now on the breaking news we've been following tonight. The death of actor Michael K. Williams, who was found dead inside his apartment in Brooklyn. An eyewitness news reporter Lucy Yang is live outside his apartment in Williamsburg now with more. Lucy. the death of Michael Kenneth Williams. Today we're in Williamsburg in front of the luxury condo where officials confirm the 54 year old actor was killed in a car crash. was found inside his penthouse apartment by a nephew around 2 o'clock this afternoon. Officials report there was drug paraphernalia around his body. The ME is on site right now and will determine if this was a drug overdose. His body has not yet been removed from his apartment.

2:14:47 Brooklyn-born actor grew up in NYCHA housing in East Flatbush. He went on to win critical acclaim for his many roles, including for his portrayal of Omar Little in the HBO hit series The Wire, a gritty show set in the drug-dealing underworld of New York City. It may have been a little too close to reality if drugs did play a role. In the actor's death, HBO just a few minutes ago released a statement mourning the loss of their HBO family member of more than 20 years. Michael K. Williams was 54 years old. New York City? Yeah. Get a rope!

2:15:28 No, she said it with the wire was based in New York. Oh, she said that. Oh crap. Oh, what an idiot Baltimore one job Get the obituary right lady That's only reason I use this clip. I'm like what how did you get that wrong because she was confused with Brooklyn and all that? I know but just feel that's how they get everything wrong. It's always wrong. I You know, I just... I want to speak to... General observation, general macro observation. With the knowledge that the CIA most likely has always been running the drugs out of Afghanistan, the poppies or processed or not, whatever. See Denzel Washington, an American gangster, true story. Right. Afghanistan, that whole thing blew up and we pulled out

2:16:23 And the next day we've got people dying from fentanyl. Or at least the stories are showing up in the news. Yeah, I mean they've been dying since 2016. I know, but they've been dying from fentanyl, not from heroin. And it just, it's like it ratcheted up. It's like, whoa, did the CIA supply really truly get shut off? Do they have no way to bring it in anymore? And therefore it's all fentanyl? I mean, or is it as Alex says, it's truly an attack? The Chinese, they probably are still pissed off over the opium wars, even though that was the Brits, but okay. Well, we had to back up a little bit because we talked about plant opalescence, right? That you have to send it, like with heroin, it takes so long

2:17:10 You know what I'm saying? I mean, like, and I say that like so morbidly, but the elites look like, God, we got to wait for him to die. Really? Yeah, like Skid Row. Like Skid Row. That's where you see the slow death. Right. It's like, we don't want that. You know, we need some hardcore or something one hitter that's going to kill him and something that we can put into every drug. Because just from my research, Michael K. Williams' drug that he struggled with was cocaine. Not heroin. And they said drug paraphernalia, so that makes you think like he had stems and, not, excuse me, spoons and spikes and a belt and those kind of things all around him, right? So... He never, all the clips I've looked through, he never mentioned anything about using heroin. Yes, there's a known fact that this is now popping up in cocaine, in particular in Brooklyn. And weed.

2:18:05 In weed? Yes. Okay, now you have my attention? No, I'm serious. I actually posted it on my Twitter page. I mean, with anything, they sprinkle anything on weed, right? They were doing the same thing with LSD. Not LSD, but PCP. For a while, they were doing that and they were doing embalming fluid for a while. I mean, if you got trash weed and you got to move it, Why not, you know, sprinkle something on it? And this is why I brought this story up. And we're not, you were saying fentanyl. Carfentanil. Are you aware of that? No. It's carfentanil. It's like the, it's like the, it's like, I think maybe a hundred times stronger than fentanyl. Oh, it's like the methane of natural gas? Right. Jeez. This stuff is taking people out. I mean, like, where do you even- No, I know, I know. I've been, uh,

2:19:12 sent a message to my stepdaughter. She's in New York, you know, she's 24. I said, hey, just don't be an idiot. Right, because you don't know what you're... And that's the thing about it. It's not like before. I mean, like, they're pressing up pills and it's... What I think happened is even if you cut it, it's such a small dose that you can't separate... You know what I'm saying? Like, if you get like a little clump... Just think about it, like, with seasoning your food. If you know what I'm saying? Like, you get a little clump of... like a strong seasoning when you bite into one bite, you're dead. Oh, no, I know. There's been cops who've just been around it and they almost die. Right. And so I think with him, when they said drug paraphernalia, I don't think, like I said, everything he talked about was cocaine. So what's really going on here? But as we talked about before, I think they're cleaning up the streets. I mean, this is... That's the way to do it.

2:20:12 It's cray, and especially if you're thinking about it with the how Baltimore you need to get the people. And the sad thing about it is the addicts are going to chase it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. If they make it through it, they'll want it. Yeah. I mean, somebody died and like that was the one of the running things on wire, right? When somebody had a good package, somebody die overdose, all the rest of the addicts were looking for that package. Yeah, I'm just looking at some news stories. It's been going on for about a year and a half or two years, it looks like. What's that, carfentanil? Nah, it just says fentanyl. I was just on a search. I think this misnomer, I don't know why they're not using the proper term for it. Because there are two totally different substances. And it's called... Everybody just... I didn't know. Carfentanil? I think it's another that has the T in it, though. It's like carfentanil.

2:21:09 without the T. Okay, I'll also look into it. But yeah, it's like 10 or 100 times stronger than fentanyl, which is bad enough in itself. I mean, so what are we doing here? And so I want to get into, it's a backstory here with Michael K. Williams that supersedes his drug use Let's get into where we're at. Let's get to 32 and this is Michael K Williams death leaves painful void. How many times have you been arrested as an adult, Mr. Little? I'm sure I've lost count. He was a tour de force on screen. And the guy that put my gun on those citizens. You are a moral. You are a parasite who leeches off. Just like you man. A culture of drugs. Excuse me? What? I got the shotgun.

2:22:05 Got the briefcase It's all the game though, right? Known for playing what many would go on to call the greatest character on television ever Omar little from the wire A man got to have a cold. Michael K. Williams, the beloved actor and performer from East Flatbush, Brooklyn, was found dead in his New York apartment on Monday afternoon. A family member discovered Williams' dad's drug paraphernalia was found in the home. While the cause of his death is still unknown, the NYPD is investigating it as a possible drug overdose. It's one of those things where you never expect someone who seems to be at the prime of their career to succumb to something like this.

2:22:48 Williams, electrifying audiences with rousing and chilling performances as Chalky White in the period gangster series Boardwalk Empire. These here are my daddy tools. What are you going to do with them? Well, I ain't building no bookcase. Inmate Freddy Knight in The Night Of, and most recently as Montrose Freeman, the complicated, closeted father in Lovecraft Country. Hmm one of my favorite roles of his was the boardwalk Empire boardwalk Empire with a yeah That was good. Yeah, everybody talks about it like the why I mean of course cuz that was his breakout That was a great show And he had a very interesting role that he played in that um in that period piece So this is just a backdrop once again. You hear drug paraphernalia. I don't know what they're doing with that I mean like

2:23:47 I mean, why are they stressing the paraphernalia thing? What it does in my mind, it just paints the picture of like, they're trying to say it's like a heroin overdose, because... That's just what my mind leads to. Yeah, that's certainly what you think about, yeah. Right, so I'm just, that's what I'm saying with that, but so they're gonna go on and speak more in part two about his addiction and his accolades. But it was that distinctive scar on his face that changed the trajectory of his entire career. You're not nearly as scary as I thought you were going to be. The actor telling Dan Harris in 2008 how he got it. You know, 25 years old, ballroom brawl, drinking and drugging, you know, out of my mind. It became this distinctive, defining characteristic of him that sort of helped him create this balance between edge and tenderness and, you know, this hardened past, but a hope for a warmer future. And I will put a bullet in all y'all behind what happened right now. You heard?

2:24:47 But it was his nuanced role as Omar Little in The Wire, a black, openly gay hustler that was unheard of in Hollywood, which cemented Williams' star power. As you told me, I would be successful for playing an openly gay thug on television. I couldn't have seen this coming in a million years. Up until that point, so many people had never seen a black gay man on TV. And when they had seen them, it was in the guise of flamboyance and slightiness. But Omar Little, you know, on top of being this really sort of fascinating anti-hero, his sexuality became a part of his identity that couldn't be ignored. His portrayal of Little, so iconic, it garnered the attention of President Barack Obama. Omar's, by the way,

2:25:38 My favorite character. What do you think when you heard Barack Obama said you were his favorite character? You know, my first reaction about that Was was based on my mother to see the proudness of in her face and to see how eyes lit up made my day So you're gonna hear like this Obama theme just listen for it, but I have to disagree with the gentleman's analysis that the gayness was a like a standout part of his character, which it wasn't in a way it was because it was shocking at the time.

2:26:17 But they didn't make his character about being gay, right? It was just normal. No more than any of the other characters who were making out with women in the show. It was not central to the... It might have been... It wasn't even central to the plot where there was some other things going on. You know, with the kid who was in jail and then, you know, the guy goes there and hooks up with his wife. So, I mean, that's the thing. I saw that they were trying to... Rightfully so it paint him as a gay rights activist in a way. I mean when they were covering his death Oh, really? I thought that good actor. That's all I saw I mean, that's why I saw too but I mean even when they brought him back around and What was it called the one that we were suggested to watch the Lovecraft? He had to go back to planning a closeted gay character, so Right, right. Yeah, so

2:27:15 I just found it interesting that they took that angle because that's what made The Wire so great and in my opinion the greatest television show ever because everybody was humanized. Yeah, it was real. Yeah, it was like, okay, I know a person like that or you know, that's believable It wasn't just like shooting guns sideways and you know all the stereotypical things that come along with not only being black but being gay, right? He was a man at the end of the day, um, which you Like he's not my words his words like you only saw black men as being flaming And this is a first representation in that we saw like this so um, so now we get to go to your favorite guy Ari

2:28:08 You're supposed to say your buddy, your buddy Ari. He's a pal of the pod. Yeah. He talks to Michael about his role on the wire. I gotta say Omar's a great guy. That's not an endorsement. You're making national news. Exactly. That is not an endorsement. He is not my favorite. person but he's a fascinating character right and there's a real life he's a real life story to a gay gangster who only robs drug dealers and then gives back if they serve a robbery what do you think about playing a character that made such an impression on Barack Obama it was um it was an eye-opening experience i it definitely for me the impact it had on me was on

2:28:58 To say I was humbled wasn't enough again an understatement, but I wasn't living my best life when that happened really What do you mean? I was um I was caught up in my own personal whirlwind you know um The why was my breakout role I did you know I didn't handle my was it handling my finances or that that that that stardom very well You know people calling me Omar was having an effect on my psyche. You know I wasn't using my platform the way I believe I'm beginning to do today to help further my community. You know, when President Obama called me out, I basically, I had no knowledge of anything that was going on. I was one of those people that pretty much went to sleep when we elected him into office and I stopped caring. Thanks, Obama.

2:29:47 So, uh, interesting. It's this thing like, and they would do it. I know, I just wanted as a quick aside, when black people have any contact with Obama, it's like, so you're Obama moment. How was it? What do you mean how was it? I mean, it was all right. And the fact that Obama didn't recognize Michael K. Williams, he recognized his character, but R is like how does it feel for Obama to recognize you like seriously tell me gush? It's like okay. I mean like it's just weird thing you heard it You heard it before right the same thing with Obama likes you you like that's like the stamp of approval or something You've been you've been blessed. You've been touched by his holiness. I

2:30:39 Right, it's kind of like what Oprah would say something about your product, right? So everybody would run out and buy it. It's kind of the same thing, but that didn't last long. But I just found that weird that they constantly did this in clips of like, hey, talk about Obama. Talk about Obama. I'm here to talk about my show or whatever. He was there to talk about juvenile justice, and he had gotten involved in I don't want to say politics. We have politics. He was trying to get people to vote, but that was like their thing. Like Omar can reach them. Of course. I mean, Ari Melbourne is a political operative. Correct. So that's why they bring up, you know, it's talking about Ari's boss. That's really what's going on.

2:31:26 Yeah, by any means is necessary that are you he'll bring try to get you to sure to a certain point. But if we're going to talk wire, we got to talk wire. So this is just since we talked about Baltimore in the last segment, I thought we had to tie Baltimore in with this because Baltimore was a character itself in in the show The Wire, right? I mean, the city itself is an actual character. So this is probably one of the best supporting actors or supporting characters. for the size and role he had in any television show was Clay Davis. Damn, y'all not wasting any time, huh? I know Reese was good enough to let us stage in the council suite of the inaugurations. No doubt after you'll find Sean in the general. No doubt. 81%? 82. In a city where Democrats outnumber Republicans 9 to 1. Anything less would have been an embarrassment. So, what can we do for you, Senator?

2:32:27 Well, first of all, I wanted to clear the air. If there are any hard feelings over what happened during the primaries... You're gonna give the money back? Senator, it's been a very long day. I'll cut to the chase. I understand you have a problem at the top of the police department. You asked Burrell to resign. He declined. I'm looking for a replacement. The ministers like Burrell. So does the council president. We're confident that when we identify a suitable candidate, Ms. Campbell and the ministers will see the wisdom of new leadership. Except y'all need to get a pay raise through the city council. Pay raise would help. I can ask Nereese about that pay raise getting passed. Maybe convince some of the ministers they need to move on from Burrell. The situation would have to be resolved sooner rather than later.

2:33:32 Do my best partner And what do we do for you in return? I'm in Annapolis word. I'm here. You may be there too in a couple of years We may find ourselves working together closely. Thanks for your time Jesus Christ he slick apologizes for the short con and in the next breath setting us up for the law He and Morella stick as thieves. And do we know what the long con is? At least we know he's running what? Sheesh. Yeah. So, one of the greatest catchphrases from a television show as well. But this clip just like embody what The Wire was about. The ministers and the politicians and the streets and how they all interconnected in this little old Baltimore.

2:34:34 to be a major city is small. But that was the greatness of the show. But I have this clip that I found when I was doing the Henrietta Lacks segment, from Antario Patela, on actually how Baltimore worked in this way. I wanted to, one of the other really fascinating things in your book, you talk about the history of policing in Baltimore. And you've said, you told me before the interview that you sort of see some parallels today. We might be under a new age of surveillance, you know, if it's not already started today. And I think one of the most fascinating things in your book, you talk about how the, the

2:35:18 So the Baltimore chapter of the Black Panther Party was actually started as part of a COINTELPRO operation, which is run by the FBI to sort of infiltrate the national chapter, which was based in Chicago and in Oakland. Right. And so what happened was that an Army veteran who had joined the National Security Agency, which had built a new headquarters near Baltimore, was sent here to create a Black Panther party in Baltimore. But the interesting thing about that kind of surveillance was that what I just talked about was an FBI operation.

2:36:01 What also happened at the same time was that there was a very significant penetration of the activist scene in Baltimore by the Baltimore City Police Department. And this also had some political implications because a crucial election came in Baltimore in 1971, mayoral election. And so what the police department did, it penetrated the campaigns of William Donald Schaeffer's two black opponents and then fed all that surveillance information to his campaign. And at the same time, the police department also had under surveillance many of the aspiring black office seekers.

2:36:47 I always felt The Wire was a documentary. It's not fiction. It dropped so many truth bombs. That's just insane, isn't it? Especially with the surveillance. That's why I put that in there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The Wire got you prepared for... It was like just to be, why always be on camera? I mean, they lived their lives under 24 hour surveillance and they actually had this story come out of Baltimore how they were using drones to surveil Baltimore. So, like I said, we saw, it's crazy, right? They used the Black Panther Party. They used that cap to Baltimore.

2:37:29 Which makes you look at the Baltimore riots differently. When I heard that, I was like, hmm. Who knows? Who knows? Again, we're living in a simulation. Totally. I mean, this stuff is really happening, but it's not exactly what you think it is. I thought that was too good to leave him the clip. That's great. I appreciate that. But now we get, because it's pertinent. But can you do me one favor and go search by the next clip on YouTube, search by that title, and you're gonna see, I forgot to send you the screenshot, but I want you to see the picture of Michael K. Williams and what's the pictures that's in the chair on the left hand side of him. You can do it while we're playing this next clip, but if you could. I appreciate that.

2:38:19 Body Brokers, quite frankly, made me sick to my stomach. I was ignorant to the narrative and the subject of what this movie was addressing. And I remember personally, you know, one of those many nights when I was crying myself to sleep listening to BB & CC Wine, I would see these commercials about the you know, these elaborate, beautiful recovery centers, you know, mostly, most of them was in Malibu. And I would, I would say, man, if I could get there, maybe I could just get my life together. And to think that that was never really the, That would never be intent.

2:39:14 that involved then Senator Barack Obama on the campaign trail 2008. And that's actually when I just interviewed him and met him as well. I'm living in Chicago and he's got this book. It's about her hope and all these things. And you said that I just didn't feel worthy of meeting this man. You're in the room, you're there for a reason, but you didn't feel worthy. Why? The impact of my ignorance, actually. And, you know, I was like, well, How does the future president of the free world, you know, see me? What makes him watch the wire? And more importantly, how come I don't know who he is? How come I don't know what he's about?

2:40:00 I told you, I told you, nobody knew who Obama was prior to 2007 and 2008. I was just talking about that at dinner. I said, you know, one term senator, we don't have any of his records, we can't find anyone who actually attended a class that he taught constitutional law. I mean, everything's been locked up. We don't know anything about that guy. So did you see the picture? Are you talking about the picture of him with the Kings County New York t-shirt? No, it's that well it look over to the left hand side where he's in frame.

2:40:38 It's a picture on the chair to his left hand side. Yeah, it's like a dude, like a... What can I see here? Yeah, go ahead and zoom it in. Enhance, rotate, zoom, okay. I'm at max zoom. Is that Obama kissing him? Oh no, that's not what I'm seeing. Hold on. This must be something else. Hold on a second. So it's in the... We don't want to belabor the point, but... Are you kidding me? If Omar is kissing Barack, I got this is worth stopping the whole damn show for. Hold on a sec. Oh! Oh! Oh, I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. Hold on. No, that's not Barack. You sure? I couldn't make it out. That's why I didn't ask the question. Why would you have that picture sitting on the chair and that signature looks like... Yeah, and this signature does look a little bit like...

2:41:35 You know what? I can't zoom in enough now, but that is definitely going to the lab. And I'm going to put this in the show notes. Everyone's got, ah, yeah, it is. It's just laying there on the chair like it's he did it on purpose. Right. Well, that would be a weird picture of anybody else to have in the frame. It's like, hey, you got me. You got me. Oh, Barry. Oh, Mirabilia. Wow. That's crazy. I know people are asking me why Barrio? Why are you stressing Barack Obama with him, right? Well, he had this movie called Body Brokers and in the movie it covers the loopholes created in the rehab system with the ACA, also known as the Obamacare. The Affordable Care Act. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.

2:42:34 So, you interested? You want to get straight into it? Yes, yes. Stop teasing. 38. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. In 2008, when the Affordable Care Act was signed, it required every health care provider to cover substance abuse treatment. That's right. Since the bill was passed, nearly 2,000 sober livings, 100 inpatient treatment centers, and 200 detoxes have opened up shop just in Southern California alone. Yeah, business is fucking booming. That's nearly 35,000 beds that need to be filled each month and almost half a million that need to be filled a year. Off the top of my head, that's somewhere around $12 billion annually. And again, that's just in Southern California. This is what we in the treatment industry call the fucking gold rush.

2:43:27 Yellow Gold. You probably wouldn't believe it, but the piss in this cup is worth more than an ounce of white truffle, beluga caviar, platinum, gold, or even rhino horn. Nice color. Each cup of piss pays $2,000, and each client can test up to five times a week. Do the math. That's $10,000 a fucking week off piss. There are three phases of treatment. Detox. We generally bill $4,000 a day, with the typical stay being between 7 and 10 days. Next phase was residential. The average stay is 60 days at $2,000 a day. Lastly is outpatient.

2:44:11 We bill $2,500 a day for this. So, based on a 90-day program, detox, residential, intensive outpatient, and UAs, that's $300,000 per person per 90 days. And somewhere like New West has 60 beds. That's 18 million build every quarter and wait for it 72 million build a year you fucking heard me 72 million So not only do I remember that I actually remember the whole Controversy about that and everyone's like what is going on is the printing money? Mm-hmm. It was in the first year or so too. It was really quick right off the bat this first term. I

2:44:55 Where else is testing being big now? Coronavirus. Every employee has to be tested once a week. Same damn scam. Well, you also know who recently bought a testing company. I would guess Bill Gates. And George Soros, yes. Actually together, the two of them together bought that. The testing is worth more because it's... No, no, no, we don't want you to take the vax. That's a one-time thing. No, no, no, no. I have... So I had to travel to Europe to see my daughter and because of the three-day rule, 72 hours, and I was worried. I did one on Saturday, one on Sunday. And I had to drive to Kerrville. It's like a piece of crap town.

2:45:41 to the CVS. First of all, the test was drive-through, so you drive up, give me your insurance card, and you have to understand, I have High Oscar is the name of my insurance. It's disaster insurance because I'm just not going to throw money away. So I have like an $8,000 deductible. So I give her that and she gives me the bags. Okay, here it is. Just go ahead and park in the parking lot, swab your nose and drive through again and drop it off. So the first thing is like, wow, okay. So this is for a document that is supposedly going to allow me to enter into the European Union and I can just stick it under my armpit and throw it into the test tube. Okay. Today or yesterday I got the receipts for the insurance. Both were paid in full.

2:46:33 And you know who's paying it. You know who's paying it. It's not CVS. Every employer has to have one test per employee a week. Oh yeah, I've done the numbers. The president said, oh we got 80 billion tests. Yeah, that'll last America about three weeks. Right. We're not impressed with your 80 million tests. So we saw this done before. I mean, he called it yellow gold. Liquid gold. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh and these are agendas The the VAX pressure to roll out is more the pharmaceutical industry than then government believe it or not It all works together this case. Yeah same way with this case Hey, let's get the addicts and the thing was they would tell the you know, and I use that word, you know respectfully addict But they would tell them recovering addicts. Are you got to come in dirty? For the scam to work. Yeah

2:47:34 Wow. Encouraging them to go back and I will be doing a deeper dive on this but I just wanted to bring that up but since we're talking about since this is an AJ type of show. Yo. 39. The FBI calls people running these businesses quote body brokers people who traffic body parts and tissue from dead people. Now this is a search warrant for the Biological Resource Center of Illinois but in these pages it spells out details of what investigators say they found here in Arizona. The FBI says at least 20 bodies donated to Biological Resource Center and sold to another body supplier had infectious diseases. Things like hepatitis B and C, MRSA, meningitis.

2:48:13 sepsis, even HIV. Those remains were sent to surgical training workshops where workers told investigators they never would have used infected body parts had they known. We talked to a woman who said she had planned to donate to BRC even though she had cancer and was part of a hepatitis outbreak as a kid. She was shocked to hear they might be passing off diseased parts as healthy. I don't want to make anybody sick. Can't imagine it being true. But I'm not naive. People will make a dollar any way they can. Okay, so she knows, but Elizabeth, did the donors and their families know what these remains would be used for? According to the Warrens, Stephanie, the families were told their donations would not be sold, but investigators say they discovered body parts were sold at times for thousands of dollars. You know, a lot of this is really unbelievable. What's legal? What isn't legal? Well, it might shock you, but it isn't illegal to traffic in bodies, organs and tissues of dead people.

2:49:08 the line though when those donation centers say they have the donors permission to use the remains in a way that they do not? Sound familiar? Yes it does. It does. It does. John Hopkins a body broker by definition? Oh totally and and I'm gonna just gonna throw Planned Parenthood back out there again just throw all that shit in there oh my goodness that's crazy Well, we don't broker in bodies over here. We make our money the hard way. I like brand new money. I just I don't want any money around me is not I'd almost rather have a new one than a brand than an old 20. That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that excites you. You like $100 bills? Oh, yeah. I like money too. Oh,

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2:54:54 You know I had to do it. This is OG AJ. I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs. There it is. Can I just say something about that? Yes. Since we moved out of Austin, we're 80 miles west. We have a well, we have well water. And I've had this plant, it's called the money plant. My agent 12 years ago gave it to me when I, he was still my agent. Hey, it's a gelt plant, Adam, you'll love it. So I've kept this thing with me for 12 years. It's been through a full marriage. It's been on the road with me, touring in the Airstream. And I've always taken care of it. I love it. It's called, its name is Plant, Plants Around.

2:55:40 The plant is in a similar situation but now is being fed with the well water? Holy crap! This thing's on fire now! Telling me the city water is crap! So this is one of those memes. You know what I'm saying? This is a classic. This is the classic AJ. This is a classic AJ, but there's some truth behind it, so we gotta find it. So we gotta talk about Tyrone Hayes and him being targeted by the herbicide firm. Yes, now we turn to the story of a University of California scientist who discovered that a popular herbicide may have harmful effects on the endocrine system. Tyrone Hayes was first hired in 1997 by a company that later became agribusiness giant Syngenta.

2:56:30 They asked him to study their product, Atrazine, a pesticide that is applied to more than half the corn crops in the United States and widely used on golf courses and Christmas tree farms. But after Hayes found results that the manufacturer did not expect, that Atrazine causes sexual abnormalities in frogs and could cause the same problems for humans, Syngenta refused to allow him to publish his work. This was the start of an epic feud between the scientists and the corporation. Now a new article in the New Yorker magazine uses court documents from a class-action lawsuit against Syngenta to show how it sought to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from banning the profitable chemical, which is already banned by the European Union. To start with, the company's public relations team drafted a list of four goals. Reporter Rachel Aviv writes, quote, the first was, quote, discredit

2:57:24 Hayes. In a spiral-bound notebook, Syngenta's communications manager, Sherry Ford, who referred to Hayes by his initials, wrote that the company could prevent citing of TH data by revealing him as non-credible. He was a frequent topic of conversation at company meetings. Syngenta looked for ways to exploit Hayes' false problems. If TH involved in scandal, enviros will drop him, Ford wrote. Yep, the good old Atrazine followed it for quite a while. Did you follow Tyrone Hayes? Not at all. Never, never. Of course. I mean, of course named Tyrone. Well, no, I didn't mean it that way. I know you did. Actually, that's funny. Of course, man. Ignore that guy. No, I did never, never. We've put, you know, we've talked about Atrocene on no agenda for several years. He was silenced. Of course he was. Holy crap. I thought you had to trust the science.

2:58:25 No, not when there's money involved. That's my point. Here's a black man telling people that their friends are gay and they silenced him. You want to hear more about Tyrone? Yes, yes. You might as well stop teasing. It's not fun when you do that. Yes, you know I do. You know I do. 42. Well, here at Berkeley, I was a new assistant professor. I was already studying the effects of hormones and the effects of chemicals that interfere with hormones on amphibian development. And I was approached by the manufacturer and asked to study the effects of atrazine, the herbicide, on frogs. And after I discovered that it interfered with male development and caused males to turn into females to develop eggs,

2:59:12 the company tried to prevent me from publishing and from discussing that work with other scientists outside of their panels. Well, initially we found that the larynx or the voice box in exposed males didn't grow properly. And this was an indication that the male hormone testosterone was not being produced at appropriate levels. And eventually we found that not only were these males demasculinized or chemically castrated, but they also were starting to develop ovaries or starting to develop eggs. And eventually we discovered that these males didn't breed properly, that some of the males actually completely turned into females. So we had genetic males that were laying eggs and reproducing as females. And now we're starting to show that some of these males actually show, I guess, what we call homosexual behavior. They actually prefer to mate with other males. So one of the most disheartening things in this whole process is that many of my critics, you know, it's one to be academic if you come and say, well, we interpreted

3:00:09 the data this way and we want to argue about this point but these people really didn't even have an opinion. These opinions were written by the manufacturer and they were paid to put their names on them to endorse the opinions of the manufacturer. So you know that's one of the most disheartening things is that they were really just personalities for sale. Yeah, personalities for sale. Yeah, personalities for sale. What is their goal here? You know, I mean like, you have this black scientist from the University of California, Berkeley, accredited, did the work, has a scientific proof, and they set out to destroy him because they didn't like his narrative and he wouldn't play ball. Well, and so I don't think that they, that this was purely profit-driven. I'm going to initially presume

3:01:11 After all it was a you know was about frogs it was an amphibious study and they just don't want any negative any negative noise and so I don't think it was to kill to turn children gay turn young boys gay. No but hey but believe me believe me I got to look at the at all these all these angles. Right but what I'm saying is even his blackness And if you look at Tyrone, he showed up in a lavender and black plaid jacket. He seemed somewhat effeminate. I'm not making any assumptions about him. But if he was gay, gay and black couldn't even protect him.

3:01:58 from being harassed and silenced. When it comes to the green, it doesn't matter. I don't mean the frogs, folks. When it comes to the green, nobody's safe. You have to push the agenda. That's the point I'm trying to push with this segment, that it doesn't matter about the science. Yeah, I see what you're saying. He's a sharp dresser. He's a very sharp jurist, and like I said, it gives him even more credibility in my book to come out and say what he says. I know, right? Hayes lives in California with his wife, Kathy Kim, and their two children. Okay. Doesn't mean he's not gay. It don't mean nothing. Right. But what I'm saying is the fact that

3:02:38 on this woke campus. Yeah, yeah, I know, I hear you. It should be railroaded as a black person which, you know, all of you possibly know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Berkeley part makes it very annoying. I gotcha. Very annoying. But I will say this welcome to the bottom The reason why I did this segment is that we've seen a man pregnant I don't mention his name. Please don't feed the truck. Please don't feed the troll folks um We've seen a pregnant black man Take over the headlines um and I think well let's get let's go ahead and play 43 and I'll tell you what I think on the backside of it

3:03:21 Two months later I was pregnant again so I went back to her. At 16 weeks I went for an ultrasound at the clinic and saw a different doctor who was working that day. I found out again I was in preterm labor. The doctor told me that the baby was going to abort. I said no you have to do something but he was adamant and he said just go home, let it abort. You can get pregnant again because that's what you people do. My sister Kelly was with me. We didn't know what to do after the doctor left. So we saw a chair sitting in the hallway. My sister picked up the chair and she threw it down the hallway. Nurses came running from everywhere to see what was wrong. A nurse called my doctor.

3:02:38 on this woke campus. Yeah, yeah, I know, I hear you. It should be railroaded as a black person which, you know, all of you possibly know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Berkeley part makes it very annoying. I gotcha. Very annoying. But I will say this welcome to the bottom The reason why I did this segment is that we've seen a man pregnant I don't mention his name. Please don't feed the truck. Please don't feed the troll folks um We've seen a pregnant black man Take over the headlines um and I think well let's get let's go ahead and play 43 and I'll tell you what I think on the backside of it

3:03:21 Two months later I was pregnant again so I went back to her. At 16 weeks I went for an ultrasound at the clinic and saw a different doctor who was working that day. I found out again I was in preterm labor. The doctor told me that the baby was going to abort. I said no you have to do something but he was adamant and he said just go home, let it abort. You can get pregnant again because that's what you people do. My sister Kelly was with me. We didn't know what to do after the doctor left. So we saw a chair sitting in the hallway. My sister picked up the chair and she threw it down the hallway. Nurses came running from everywhere to see what was wrong. A nurse called my doctor.

3:03:58 And she put me on a stretcher. The next morning, my doctor came in and placed a surclodge on my uterus and I was able to carry my baby. My daughter, my angel, who is now 20 years old, my son, who was saved, is now 21 years old. This is what desperation looks like, that chair flying down a hallway. This is what being your own advocate looks like. Every day black women are subjected to harsh and racist treatment during pregnancy and childbirth. Every day black women die because the system denies our humanity. It denies us patient care. I sit before you today as a single mom, as a nurse, as an activist, and as a congresswoman, and I am committed to doing the absolute most to protect black mothers, to protect black babies, to protect black birthing people, and to save lives. What I think they're doing is politically, I'm not talking about people socially or whatever,

3:04:55 they tie these terms like black birthing people in with a very, everything she said up to that point is a very serious concern. Because we heard of the mortality rates and of women and the poach concern. Which feeds back into what we talked about with Johns Hopkins and the care that they get in poor hospitals or hospitals that they, well, let me say it like this, not poor, there's definitely not a poor hospital, but the two-tiered medical system for poor people. And that's a very serious topic. And then you throw black birthing people in there. It's like birthing people, like, huh? Like, I mean, like I said, whatever you do, you do. But it kind of discredits and derails a serious topic.

3:05:46 And is that by strategy? I don't know. I mean, I don't know why they're trying to lump gay in with black and make it synonymous. I find it very troubling. I find it very troubling that it's forced, kind of like black and brown. It's the same thing. For sure, it's, well, they're doing all this now because everyone's amygdala is so out of whack that we're, I mean, everybody is in constant fight or flight mode, you know? So that's when you're so susceptible. And I think these terms slip in, and boom, it's cemented forever. But why they're doing this particular, I mean,

3:06:27 It's block building. It's purely political. I agree. That's all that it is. But it could be deeper. I'll show you another example of it. Let's just go through this right quick. This is Candace Owens with Mark Lamont Hill. So to acknowledge a social construct does not mean that we ignore biology and it doesn't mean that we don't have... Can men get pregnant? It depends. I know trans men that can get pregnant. That means it's a woman. Only one sex can get pregnant. It's not a circular argument. It's proving my thing. There is a truth, a concrete truth. You have to be born with a uterus to have a baby. Only women can get pregnant. The fact that we have a

3:07:12 in a society where it's even debatable. There's nothing to disagree with. These are facts. So you can say that this person who is pregnant identifies as a man. That person was born a woman. I can tell you that every single time because only women can have sex because there are concrete truths about life. I mean, can have babies, pardon. And that is a hard truth about life. You cannot make that go away because you want to call somebody who has a beard and dresses like a dude a woman. Only if it's pregnant, I can tell you exactly what it is. It's a woman. That kind of thing, but I think this is what we talked about before this is magic. This is this is a magic spell Oh, thank you. Thank you for saying that I before you continue ever since you've turned me and which of course has been from show one You've turned me on to the spell and I was reading about spells the other day in the context. I shouldn't the context of

3:08:01 of how the the church used to work before the Gutenberg press, before people could read the Bible themselves. And you know, the idea of a spell is literally because of the words. You're spelling out words. It is just words. Spelling! Actual spell is just words. And when you say black birthing person, I hear that as a spell now. The same thing with men can have babies. It's like it does something to the brain that you could hear Candace, which is she's usually cool as a cucumber, but you can see she was getting worked up over it. Yeah, she's a pretty new mom herself, so she's kind of pissed off about that. Right. But like I said, even if it's not even a point to argue, I mean, that's my thing, but they use it as a

3:08:53 It's just like a trigger, a nudge to bring you into the conversation of what are we doing here? I mean like seriously, what are we discussing? I mean we have a serious topic that Cori Bush, she covered for almost a minute and a half and then she even stumbled on the words. At the very end. Yeah. So, and then this is a Ben Shapiro clip of changing the parents tried to breastfeed child. This is being champion. These are civil rights heroes. There's a man who's sticking his nipple in the mouth of a child in the mouth of a small baby in a bizarre attempt to nourish the baby with literally nothing. And you're a bigot if you disagree. You're the authoritarian for suggesting there is a problem here. There is apparently a series

3:09:40 that is called Nine Months with Courtney Cox. It's a docu-series about various couples having children. And this went viral yesterday. It is a video from apparently season three, episode eight of Nine Months with Courtney Cox. And it features a transgender man, meaning a biological woman, who pushed, is a biological woman who had a baby. There's not a man who had a baby because that's not possible. It's a biological woman who used her uterus to create a baby and then pushed the baby out through her vagina because she's a biological woman once more. And no amount of testosterone that produces facial hair or growing the hair out or mastectomies changes the fact that this is a biological woman as evidenced by the fact that biological men cannot give birth. Hey, by the way, you're a bigot if you disagree. Not only are you a bigot, if you bring up your children to disagree, the left will sick

3:10:32 the authoritarian regime on you. I mean, this is the way this is going to go over the next few years. You watch. Hey, here is the bizarre new world we have created for ourselves, the counter-reality new world we have created for ourselves. But it doesn't matter, so long as these people feel better about themselves. Sure, the baby's gonna starve to death, but at least the delusional parents feel better about themselves. The reason why I bring all this up is I saw everybody hair catch on fire with the one that won't be named Walking around as a pregnant man. Mm-hmm. We have to stop feeding into things that we we see things It's like you're seeing this to trigger you don't stop and watch the magic show you see what I'm saying? like keep keep it moving because that's what they want to do is drag you in and

3:11:27 until a conversation that's only going to leave you perplexed. And it's going to leave you perplexed because if you don't agree, you're immediately shamed. That's why you need to stay away from that. Right. And if you do agree, it's like, well, you will never agree. And that's the whole point is to leave you in a perpetual state of frustration. And that's how they break your will. Like I said, it's people's choice. This is America. You can do whatever you want to do with it, as long as it's inside the letter of the law. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is stop being so triggered by what you see because that's the desired effect. That's why I won't mention this character's name because that's what he wants from you. He wants to trigger you to say,

3:12:12 Did you see the VMAs? Did you see? It's like, I'm saying this is a public service announcement. Keep it moving folks. Just keep it moving. Because... Mofack says, keep it moving folks. Keep it moving. Because you have to. We have to. If not, you're going to get sucked into a circular argument that's only going to leave you frustrated. And that's how trolls work. Trolls bring you into something like yes, by the way the the person who should not go name that it was an excellent troll Perfect. I mean, no, let's be honest about it. He is a master master. Yeah. Yeah He knows how to get a response because he used to run a fan page for a Nicki Minaj. Oh

3:12:57 So he understands the power of memes and you know, you're in his domain. When you get on the internet, you're in his domain. So he knows exactly how to get it right. The, you know, the, whatever, the sneakers with the blood, blah, blah, blah. We won't get into it. But my point is, I'm saying this to people, don't allow yourself to be triggered because there's other stuff we need to worry about like uterus transplants. Oh, of course. It's 8 a.m. from Fox 35. Do you know where your uterus is? This is Good Day Orlando. A game changer for some couples. Experts think that within the next 5 to 10 years, it could be possible for men to have a baby. Carry a baby, deliver a baby, all of it. Coming up next, we're going to speak to a local fertility doctor about the new development that could possibly become reality.

3:13:50 On the Health Watch this morning, recently the Cleveland Clinic announced that it is performing uterus transplant surgery for some women. That led to some people to wonder if they can transplant a uterus into a man and if so, can a man give birth? The answer is yes. A doctor from the University of Southern California says it can be a reality in about five to 10 years and maybe even sooner. Dr. Mark Charles with FertilityCare joins us now to talk about this. My first question is why? Oh, goody, goody, I can't wait. Seriously? Yeah, seriously. We only had a plumbing for it, but this is more... But remember, remember Moe, they have to get ratings. I mean, television, I was looking at the MTV Video Music Award.

3:14:39 I mean, they don't really report overnight ratings anymore, but a couple years ago, they had 12 million people watching. Well, I guarantee you it wasn't that this year. It's such a poor production now. But it's not even that. It doesn't matter which show you put on. It doesn't matter who's doing it. Television is done. That's why they have the troll. See, they have the troll. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And so the troll is a part of the system. It's how it works. It's exactly right. And I saw clips of that because that used to be the Illuminati combination ball, but it was so low quality.

3:15:19 I was the green screens in the back. I was like, geez, they have fell off like they had to resort to salt this source of war tactics of having a machine gun Kelly and uh, right? Connor McGregor. It's like man y'all are really scraping the bottom now. I saw there were a couple of um, that checkerboard floors, there was some burning hearts with daggers. There was some stuff in there. Oh yeah, Chloe, she's been groomed to the Chloe. Oh yeah, all over that. So she's been groomed to be the next, but what I'm saying is the quality of it. I mean, it was such poor quality. It's like they're not even getting the top people to show up or run it behind the scenes. So I mean, we're winning the war.

3:16:07 Oh, easily. Easily. No, no, no. We are winning the war. That's why Podcasting 2.0 is keeping everybody honest and keeping everybody out of trouble. Where they can't take that, you can't be cancelled, your show can't be cancelled, and nor can the money. I mean, we love PayPal and Cash App, but if that's a problem, we can keep going forever. So we are winning. We are winning. Eventually it's all going to collapse upon itself. But we'll have to do some work before that happens, Mo, especially you and I. But that's what the last block was about is just don't allow yourself to be triggered. Keep your... you know, like, mental side is a real thing. And one part of that is the gaslighting aspect of it. So don't fall prey to it.

3:16:58 And you can tell from this show how we are, everything's possible. And it isn't even that hard. So, Mo, thank you. This was really good, man. This was a good potluck. You blew me away multiple times. Really cool. It's so refreshing to have a different take on all of these stories that are rolling right now. And, you know, especially Props to Henrietta Lacks, man. That's a story I got to dive deep into. I got to find out anything more that's going on. It will probably evolve into a full show. I can see why. But I wanted to address it now. Yeah, I can see why. Just as it's, because you've seen it starting to ramp up with the Crump aspect and the anniversary coming, you know what I'm saying? Thank God for Crump, man. He keeps us with material. We appreciate it. Thank you, Crump. Thank you, Crump. And thank you, Mo. I really appreciate what you've done once again.

3:17:54 Thank you Adam and as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And two weeks we'll be back but when's the next live? Eight o'clock Wednesday. Eight o'clock Wednesday. That's it everybody. Episode number 66 mo facts with Adam Curry is in the can enjoy it. I know I certainly did Please remember this is a value for value podcast nothing works without your support We need your time your talent and your treasure Go to mo facts comm for more and of course directly to the donation page at mo fund me calm and use a podcasting 2.0 app mo

3:18:35 Uh, 14 days brother, see you then. Alright, see you later, Adam. I'm not in love I'm not in love