65: Disco Biscuits

00:01 Molfax with Adam Curry for September 1st, 2021, episode number 65. Yes, we are back with a new month, a new round, a new incredible energy. After all, I'm Adam Curry here in the hill country of Texas and my friend on the other end is somewhere in Northern Virginia. Good to talk to him again. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Molfax. How you doing, Adam? I'm doing great Moe, it's so good to speak with you again. It's been ages. It has, it has, it has. Well, we're trying to get our crap together, trying to get back on track. And we have the perseverance, that's for sure.

00:47 That is for sure and we do have a full bag for the people as well. Yes. Which I know that's what they, that's the only thing they care about really. You know what I'm saying? They really do. They really do. So let's wind up that wheel, the wheel of topics. Let's see what we're going to be talking about today on Mo Facts with Adam Curry, episode number 65. Where it stops, nobody knows except of course for Mo. We know exactly what we're going to talk about today. The topic for Mo Facts Live is... Disgraced actor and comedian Bill Cosby. Yeah, this is one we had to do. That whole Bill Cosby thing came at such a weird time in the timeline of life with everything going on with Corona and with Rona and with the COVID and with just everything. It was like all of a sudden that and then there was that.

01:33 And then there wasn't. And that's one of the most fascinating things. It came and then it went. So I'm sure this is probably off a lot of people's radars now, but as you know, I like to take a topic and go all the way through, kind of explain the backstory to this. One hell of a man, Bill Cosby, if I have to say so myself, but I only know him as Bill Cosby, TV show, Fat Albert, and those things, right? We don't know who these people are. And the Jell-O, Bill Cosby from the Jell-O. Right, the kids say the darndest things. I mean, he has a, I mean, and then even when you go back to his earlier movies, so Ghost Dad and even before then. So we don't know these people. But what I would like to do more instead of getting into the nuts and bolts of the case,

02:29 is to get into the narrative behind the whole story with Bill Cosby, how he was used, if he was used, and why he was used if he was indeed used. Well, come on now, Moe. It would be a very short show if he wasn't used. We all know you got something up your sleeve. You kind of gave it away there. No, well no, he might be the puppeteer. I mean, who knows? You see what I'm saying? So what we have to do is... Without a doubt, at one point in the late 80s, 90s, he was one of the most powerful people in show business.

03:06 And this is why this is one of my most anticipated shows, one of my most gut-wrenching shows because with all, just to lay it all out there. Up until this point of this, these stories coming along, he was one of my favorite people. I mean, like I said, when I mean favorite people as who he portrayed in my childhood and growing up, I have no, I have no clue who Bill Cosby is as a person, but the, what he projected out, we can't deny what impact he had not only on black Americans, ADOS, but also just the, Americans in that group in that time. Oh, yeah. I mean, well.

03:51 Even before the 80s really but right. Oh, yeah, same for me like the Cosby's I was you watched that you stayed home you watch the Cosby's And that's why I don't think people really understand is the fact we don't have that now except for sports where everybody stops what they're doing to tune into something in Television and that was like a shared conscience consciousness. I think we had that with Fresh Prince of Bel-Air in a similar manner. I I think every pre DVD pre DVR right right right it was like you had to catch it or you know I mean we had of course we had VHS but pre-DVR where you could just mash a button and it would record. We were all locked in. That was kind of like what the internet and social media is now. How we experience something. Or even the phone call afterwards. I mean, that was one thing I remember. Like, as soon as it went off, like, the phone would ring. You're like, did you see that? And not just necessarily with this show, but in general. Yeah, of course, with any. And then, you know, my sisters would be like, get off the phone! I'm expecting a call.

04:55 So with all that said, I guess what we need to do is get into the media coverage of Bill Cosby being released. Good day, we're coming back on the air with more breaking news about Bill Cosby. The comedian was just released from prison after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned the 83-year-old actor's sex assault conviction. Cosby served more than two years of a three to 10-year sentence convicted of drugging and molesting Temple University employee Andrea Constant. NBC Justice correspondent Pete Williams joins us. Pete, what can you tell us about the legal reasoning that led to this decision?

05:32 Well, the court says the facts are very straightforward. That when the victim initially came forward, the district attorney decided not to file charges, that there were too many problems with the evidence, and that he publicly made a statement that he would not pursue these charges, and that he did so in order to free up the possibility that Cosby could be forced to testify in a civil trial that she filed against him later. and that he could not in that civil trial then invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination because he was told by the district attorney and believed the advice of his own lawyers that anything he said in the civil trial could not be used against him in the criminal trial if the state tried it again. So he did testify, he did incriminate himself, he said things that were incriminating in the civil trial

06:20 And then the district, the state of Pennsylvania came back and charged him with a crime. What the Supreme Court said today is, you can't do that. Right, and I think the technicality is correct, or the analysis of it. And I'm no lawyer. I'm leaning on my law order and suits, a law degree, to know, but that was the understanding that if you sign a deal, Even in my low legal analysis is that if you sign a deal then the deal can't be welched on, used against you. And that's the whole...

07:01 Premise behind this and this is one of those things that was a real mind Trick for people it's like hold on well Well, it was also because of that of that testimony He gave that everything was so shocking and all of the allegations, you know without ever really having gone through the whole Proceedings just rang true. Yeah, and that's the thing. What did he? what did he admit to because you as you're gonna see there was a very sly sleight of hands done with what he actually confessed to and how they used that confession as an open and shut case to railroad him off to jail. Oh, why does this not surprise me?

07:47 And we can have like, I want people, can we get a trigger warning first of all? This is a very triggering topic. I'm sorry about that. I know I caught you off guard, but this is a very triggering topic. I think you're absolutely right. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Now you're gonna go back to you know the reasons why he was convicted in the first place and we're gonna go through some of that we must I guess right just Not in the details of the case because I believe and just like most lawyers will believe the case should have never took place And so I'm not gonna really get into the cases where he did it. He didn't do it right that kind of thing I want to get into why was this allowed to happen?

07:01 Premise behind this and this is one of those things that was a real mind Trick for people it's like hold on well Well, it was also because of that of that testimony He gave that everything was so shocking and all of the allegations, you know without ever really having gone through the whole Proceedings just rang true. Yeah, and that's the thing. What did he? what did he admit to because you as you're gonna see there was a very sly sleight of hands done with what he actually confessed to and how they used that confession as an open and shut case to railroad him off to jail. Oh, why does this not surprise me?

07:47 And we can have like, I want people, can we get a trigger warning first of all? This is a very triggering topic. I'm sorry about that. I know I caught you off guard, but this is a very triggering topic. I think you're absolutely right. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Now you're gonna go back to you know the reasons why he was convicted in the first place and we're gonna go through some of that we must I guess right just Not in the details of the case because I believe and just like most lawyers will believe the case should have never took place And so I'm not gonna really get into the cases where he did it. He didn't do it right that kind of thing I want to get into why was this allowed to happen?

08:38 The way it did. The way that it did, when it's clear as day from my law and order legal degree. Yes, I saw the same thing immediately like oh this is clearly a violation of procedure. Right, so you, everybody was waiting for somebody to step in but like oh no you can't do that. But two, three years later he's in jail. Thank you for doing this Moe because no one's gonna do this. This is like the guy's guilty, done, cut and dry. He's rich so he got off on technicality. That I think is the narrative that people are kind of... There's a lot more stuff that they got to worry about these days but I think if you asked anybody they'd be kind of like, yeah that's kind of what happened with him. And they don't care anymore, I'm sure. And two things could be true, right? He could be accused actually

09:25 Did I'm not going to work guilty, but he could actually have done what he's accused of doing but still not By our rules and laws of America. Yes, not been convicted of it due to I don't think this would be considered double jeopardy I think it was the fact that he testify under the understanding that he wouldn't be it couldn't it's a fifth amendment right it's you don't have to incriminate yourself and and going into this show i'm of the opinion both can be true right that's that's where i'm at that's where i'm at right and i think a lot of people are that now to what extent right because we

10:06 Okay, listen, I don't get too far into it, but that's that's the layout of the first maybe third of the show is just looking at why was this allowed to happen to him when it's clear as day if me and you was his lawyers we could have got him off if If we're going by the law well Yes going by the law not going by media because the media had was just cutting him down that was just done I mean we got the The women coming out, the timing was right, it was Weinstein stuff in the picture all over the place. Yes. It was... Goggles carry. Sorry about that. From the future, man. Sorry. Not to belabor this point, this clip, but I just want to point out that

10:53 He actually was forced, not forced, but agreed to testify because he couldn't use the Fifth Amendment as his protection in a civil trial. So it's like he got double-screwed because You told me that I can't be used against me in the criminal trial So I'll tell you what I know in the civil trial and I'm sure he had to pay out for the civil trial Yeah, and then he turned around and get you know, they used in the criminal trial, right? so that was just a fascinating and this is whether if you want to divide it down a race line and even down a gender line and

11:29 The race was like, black people were like, some black people as you're gonna see, were like, hold on, well, you can't do that. That's not justice. But as we talked about on the show, justice is not what we think justice is at all. And then down the gender line, it's like, well, yet again, you have some men that say, well, even if he did do it, by the law, he shouldn't be tried for it. So just to lay that out, so I'm glad, just want to get the context of what we're talking about here. So we can go ahead and get into the clip number three. You can't do that. You made him, you gave him a reason to believe that he could testify at the civil trial without putting himself in jeopardy of the criminal prosecution. The Pennsylvania court said our sense of fair play and decency

12:17 compels us to believe that the district attorney had to stand by the decision that was made by a predecessor in the office not to charge. So that's the reasoning of the court. The outcome, Lester, is that he cannot be tried again on these charges. That means that the woman at the center of this case, she can't be the subject of another criminal prosecution. This one is over. Now, that doesn't mean that other victims could come forward and the state could investigate and decide whether or not to pursue criminal charges based on entirely different facts, but there can't be a retrial on this case. We know that there are other women who testified of what they thought was similar behavior against them. There's a statute of limitations issue. Would that prevent some of these cases from going forward?

13:10 Potentially, and the court doesn't explicitly says here that they're not making any decision about any other potential case or any of the testimony that was offered in the civil trial. They simply say that issue isn't before us and we're not going to answer it. Yeah, this whole thing really stinks. It kind of passed us by, you know, and again it was like, what? What? What? Okay. Because it was perfect. And you'll see how it was perfect when it first ramped up, was right at the beginning of the election cycle. 2016. So it kind of got faded there and then through the whole Trump administration. Everyone's doing other stuff. Right, but Trump was a victim of the same thing Bill Cosby was and the same thing is now we're seeing with Deshaun Watson, the football player down in Houston and even to the extent of Tiger Woods. And what that is is when one victim comes out there's this floodgate

14:09 women that say, oh yeah, me too, me too, me too, no pun intended, that he did something to me. Well at the time it was literally me too, Harvey Weinstein, I mean there was a lot of me too going on. Right, but what I'm saying is this feeds into, see now we got, this is why we do the show, because whenever you see a black man accused of some kind of sexual assault in this manner, of that level, let me be clear, of that level of celebrity, there's always a floodgate to follow it. And that's why I said with DeSean Watson, I think he's up to 20, 30 women. Trump experienced the bottom. Right, now I see what you're saying. The floodgate is not more men being accused, but that man being accused by more women. Right, and like you saw with Trump, and that Trump experienced the bottom, right? It was, excuse me, 45 Savage, because I don't want to trigger anybody.

15:02 It was another person and another person and another person. Oh yeah, he had 20. Yeah, it was like 20 or something. Right. And those are criminal or civil or assault claims. Well dude, before he was just president and was already golden shower with Russian hookers, I mean, yeah, there was a lot of accusations. Right, but in the same time, He wasn't hauled off to jail like Bill Cosby was. When I say Trump doesn't charge, I mean that the fact of his protections of his Fifth Amendment were violated and nobody stepped up to save Bill. Nobody. But Cosby actually got arrested.

15:47 Right, arrested, perp walked. And we see how this stuff normally works. Normally it works if somebody hits caliber, the lawyer picks up the phone, hey, Bill's gonna come through the back door at 5 p.m., you know. And we're gonna get this. When you see the perp walks, and I wanna lay it out and juxtapose it to when you see people like, What's the guy's name that Trump's got arrested for? I mean, got arrested for Trump. Manafort, you see the Roger Stones. It's like six in the morning, boom, kicking down the door, calling him out, you understand? When you see that, that is a media spectacle. And that's what was done to Bill. And I want to make this last point is with Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods did nothing illegal. No, he just had an affair.

16:37 Well, same thing. It was 18, 20, 27, 30 women. Come on, yeah, I was Tiger Woods' girlfriend. So when you see these things, this plays on the... I just want to say, just as a guy, now moving up on 57 years, I know a lot of men, celebrities, who have indeed, have a lot of sexual relations with a lot of women. Correct, so I'm not saying that that didn't happen. No, but I'm saying the way it was covered. Mm-hmm They do this thing you see it in the media where the front page is like picture a picture like block of the block of the block of women and it's like no this is his hit list but this plays into the narrative that specifically black men are sexual predators and

17:30 Which plays into the history of lynching and all the other stuff that comes with it, so don't let that be lost on you I hear you when this is seen. It's like what the hell's going on here You mean like you don't see less moon vases or none of these people? perp walked in you're saying treated in the manner that a bill Cosby is And we're still saying that two things can be true at the same time So now we're gonna go over to Harvey Weinstein did get perp walked Well, of course he was giving up. I mean, you know how it goes. Like we always talk about Soros, right? Soros is not pulling all the strings in the New World Order, right? Somebody gotta draw the short straw. I think the same thing with Madoff, right? Madoff ran all this by himself? Come on. I mean, I think they sit in the room either it's like, okay,

18:17 You gotta take this case. Sorry, Bernie. Right, you know what I'm saying? You gotta take this case and it's like, well, my kid's gonna be alright? Yeah. My grandkids? Yeah, yeah, they're good. Alright, I'll take it. Or it's who can we put up on the altar to be sacrificed? I don't know which case it is, but I just think these people are representative of a problem that they're trying to present as being taken care of. Well, and that's in with all organized crime, I guess. Of course. Yeah, WeBay. WeBay took all the cases in the wires. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. I was thinking of it. Didn't want to say it, but yeah, yes. Ever since I've seen the wire, now I get it. Got you. Got him. We got him, folks. Oh, yeah. All the way. All right. So let's get into... Now we're going to go over to CBS This Morning with Gail, and she's speaking to Gloria Alrich.

19:09 We're joined now by Janice Baker-Kenney, who took the stand as a witness in Bill Cosby's 2018 trial. She testified that she was sexually assaulted by the actor in the 80s. And her lawyer, Gloria Allred, who represents dozens of women accused, who have accused Bill Cosby of assault. Good morning to you both. Janice, I want to start with you because last night it was reported that you were processing this latest turn of events. What's your reaction today and how are you feeling? Well, good morning, Gail. I'm still processing everything that's going on. I just need to remember now. And it's almost like a mantra for me that he was released on a legal technicality and not because he's innocent. He is not innocent. He'll never be innocent. And I need to hold on to that.

19:59 So what would justice look like to you now? Because he is claiming that he is innocent. He's claiming that justice has been served. He's going to always claim he was innocent. That story has never changed. But the 60 plus women that have come forward, we all know the truth. So his legacy, his Will never be what it used to be so a little bit of justice served there He did serve two years a little bit of justice in the fact that he is a disgraced former America's dad Wow, yeah, that was that was unnecessary roughness on the play. I

20:51 If you want to take down the patriarchy, you might as well do it that way, huh? Just bring down America's dad. America's dad. That's what this is all about. It does have tensions of race to it, just because of who was the victims or alleged victims and who was the perpetrator. But I think this was a design hit on the patriarchy itself being she's not America's black dad. Right. You know what I'm saying? This wasn't, no, Bill Cosby was America's dad. If you had any family, especially in the black community, you know, the father was intact and they were productive. I was like, oh, they're like the Cosbys. That was a literal statement because I'm an example of one of those cases. My family was called like, oh, y'all like the Cosbys. Seriously. Well, I think, I think

21:41 In my family, we probably certainly to my dad said why can't you be more like Mr. Huxable? And that's if you want to take down the patriarchy. You've got to come at the top there. Interesting. And even in this, she said that he has not admitted anything. It was something like he'll always say he's not. He's always say he's innocent. Again, I'm glad you're doing this because I really have no other knowledge other than he admitted to something really crappy that he did. And that's why he went in and for all the technicality is why he's getting out. But that at some point he did admit to something really bad.

22:22 And that's the point right there is what did he admit to the fact that you can't tell me right off hand and you are a media deconstructionist by trade. That was never discussed what he admitted to is just that he admitted to it. You know, it's like he, you know, what did he admit to? He admitted to it. And if he admitted to it, then he has to be guilty. And it's, but it's like, what did he admit to? And we're going to get to that, but I just want to get this It's two memes is gonna go the one that the thing that he admitted to it There's gonna run with that. They never pull out the transcripts and if they had ironclad stuff in there. Mm-hmm. This says I Know did everything you're accusing me of and you know just but I'm gonna say and the civil trial to protect myself from legal ramifications from legal ramifications then I'll admit to it right but he never said that and

23:15 I mean, the media never said that. They never rolled out the transcripts and showed what it exactly admitted to. It's just that he admitted to it. But what? And then the other thing is that, Legal technicality legal technicality right right well if you should never been on trial is that a technicality? I mean like actually you know, but they're gonna run this meet these two means into the ground So I just want to make people aware like I said I know this may be triggering some people but the reason why we do this is because there's a deeper story there And there's many characters one being mr.. Glory all red, so let's hear from her and clip number five

23:55 Gloria, it's Anthony. In your view, is this decision a setback to the MeToo movement? No, Anthony, I don't think it is at all. There are many women who continue to come forward, many persons who allege that they are victims, for example, of R. Kelly, of Harvey Weinstein in Los Angeles, of many other figures. And women are now empowered in the way they never were before. Janice was very brave when she testified. I'm so proud of her.

24:30 And it is, you know, a shock. But it's also very clear that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court did not make a decision that Mr. Cosby did not do what he was accused of doing. It was based on a legal technicality, on issues of due process. And it was not based on the merits and the evidence as to whether he did it or not. Actually, to the contrary, the court talked about the statements that Mr. Cosby made in the deposition in the civil lawsuit brought by Andrea Constant and called those statements incriminating. Gloria, you represent an accuser in California who's filed a civil case against Bill Cosby. Does this decision affect that case in any way?

25:19 Hmm we're gonna find that out. Okay, Laura Aldridge very fascinating character here. No. Yes She represents 33 Of the Bill Cosby accusers course now all red now I'm about to go here. It was a Preppy for the theorem but theorem theorem theorem, but it's gonna get there red all red is she the Red Queen and Red Queen means... As in the game of chess, or I mean saying it's the Red Queen is able to move swiftly and effortlessly. And then the other thing about that is she's viewed as an antagonist in the story as she's the queen for the side opposing Alice. See, who is Gloria Aldred? I'm throwing it in for you now. I appreciate that.

26:12 I like it. I mean, I have really come around to the witchcraft and the spells of the world, Mo. I mean, right down to the Pfizer name change on their back scene. Like, these are all spells. Right. And yeah. The reason why I say is she the Red Queen because is she really working to take these powerful men down or is she just a person in the role to play a certain role is that she's actually portraying a role. She's a hired gun. She'll do whatever she needs to. In what way do you mean that? I'm just curious. Well, this is what she does. She represents almost class action level suits of women against men. I mean, this is what I've seen her do throughout her career. Certain men. Are you aware who her daughter is?

27:04 Yes, yes Also a lawyer I forget I mean sublime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's an American attorney Yeah, no for advising Harvey Weinstein speak steam. Yes sexual abuse allegations now hold on it, huh? that you're for women's rights and me too and your daughter's over here she's also does the same similar kind of work but when Harvey Weinstein needs to be advised they work to advise them. Yeah no this this was very controversial at the time. Yeah, I'm just throwing it out there. I mean just like who are these people and what roles are they playing? And I just find it out. You might say Allred, Allred, I mean that's her name. And she actually plays into that with her attire. She's always wearing red. That's correct. Which is a very power move to have a suit like that. I mean in general I would say if Allred or Bloom come your way, you know, you need to leave.

27:59 You just need to get out of the way if you see those two come and leave. I've always felt that way about stuff. And then my other question is, did they bring, and this is just a wild question to most, did they let Bill Cosby out so they could run him through the mill again on the civil trials before he passes away? When he dies, his catalog's gonna go up in value. It's like, do we milk him now while he's still living? But we can't do that while he's in jail. I mean there's also a personal fame and fortune thing for All Red and Bloom, as for a lot of people. So there could be many, many motivating factors.

28:41 For them doing this and but from the legal standpoint, I can't really say but I yeah, it's totally seems possible. They would do that Yeah, sure bit from a from from a business standpoint this is why this was Fascinating. I was really excited about doing a show with you because you could tell me about the entertainment side Yeah, well is it true when a person dies their catalog goes up in value correct in general Yeah in general, but I mean the catalog it kind of depends on what you're saying is the catalog I mean there would be a boost but first of all you know Cosby stuff was taken off the air when this happened When all this came down, I mean he was you know a version of mainstream de-platforming I think they even took the Cosby show off some of the older TV networks and

29:28 But will it go up? Yeah, I mean, yeah, but who that, but who, yes. I mean answer, yes. It basically content we already paid for 40 years, 30 years ago will be valuable again. And I feel okay with watching, not me, but as a, just a typical black person, you know what I'm saying? I put that in huge air quotes. I feel okay with watching it again because Bill got off. It's like put Bill back on TV. He got off. He was railroaded. Well, you got some... I'm not ready for that conclusion yet. We got some more convincing to do on what went down. No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is if I'm just paying attention to the media cycle. Oh, no. But they didn't do that. No. See, the point I'm making is that

30:15 It could be both ways on both sides. If I am a person that is a Bill Cosby fan and I want to watch the Cosby show, I feel good about watching it again because he was let off. Right, he didn't do it. He didn't do it. I mean in my in in a fan's mind So they feel okay with watching the show again. Yeah, but did the fans here? He didn't do it or the fans here. He did it, but he got off on the technicality The same way some people are saying he'll always be guilty. Yeah, he only got off on a technicality The other side will be that he got he beat the system. Mm-hmm So I'm just I'm just telling we saw this with the OJ case, you know that kind of thing. Um, I

30:55 that it's like, okay, he beat the system. It's a win. You know, we can go back to Washington and feel good about washing him. And maybe the powers that be is like, hey, we got a product here. We can get it while he's still living. He's fighting all these cases. He might sell pennies on the dollar. I'm just throwing out as a possible reason why he was let out. You know, just pure speculation, but it made no sense for him to be let out. The timing of it was very weird. Very weird and as you hear what Gloria already she's talking about the other cases. She has pending civil through civil court And and another thing she did to lend back to that That predatory old blackmailed trope is Invoke our caddy Kelly immediately Another one I forgot about yeah R Kelly sure and you notice it Bill gets out R. Kelly trial ramps up. Yes, it's true

31:52 So I'm just telling you how it's perceived. See, I mean, it's kind of, I can perceive it how some black people and it's like I said, some men's rights people, however you want to slice that cake, can look at black, you know what? They railroaded Bill. we're gonna take him up as a hero, you know what I'm saying? And that was kind of the thing was when he was released. Now I'll just say that, okay, gotcha, but let's just take R. Kelly as an example. Only for me, and I think for most, when you say R. Kelly, it's like, oh, there's a black man who did that. It's like, no, there's a creepy entertainer guy who did that. So I understand the perception from

32:34 If you're talking about yourself, I completely understand the perception. Boy, that's not how I was thinking at all. In fact, of course, I also don't think that way about Bill Cosby. You know, it's like, none of that was racial in my mind until you came along, Mo. I'm sorry. It wasn't racial until you made it that way, okay? This is why these stories are so great to be used by By the media because it can mean different things to different people and they take away whatever that you say however they're invested in the story. Right. older men might say, back in my days, you know, and like younger men be like, see, I told you women's rights and feminists, you know, they hate men. It could be taken any way. And then it's amazing that Black Lives Matter didn't come to Bill's defense. You know what I'm saying? It's like, so it's like, you know, I'm just telling you that these are why these stories exist, I believe, is because they can get you engaged in it

33:36 emotionally and when you're engaged emotionally, the haircut, it makes it more easy for the spell to be acted on. So that's just my two cents. Yeah. Well, when you said America's dad, then all of a sudden, yeah, that part started and that totally from a patriarchy standpoint, gotcha. Right. Totally. So I guess we can go and wrap up with the final all rich clip. Does this decision affect that case in any way? It does, actually, because now that he is a free man, now that he cannot be retried, he cannot claim or invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege against incrimination and decline to testify. In our civil lawsuit, which alleges that our client, Judy Huth,

34:31 was victimized, was a victim of child sexual abuse by Mr. Cosby at the Playboy Mansion. We have an order compelling him to sit for a second deposition. The first is under seal. In this second deposition, which we intend to take prior to trial, we intend to ask him many, many questions under oath. He is going to be compelled to answer them because he can't invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. Hey Janice, it's Tony DeCople. It takes a toll on a person to come forward in a case like this. It takes a toll on a person to testify at trial. I'm curious, knowing what you know now about the outcome, would you still go back and take the stand? And what would you say to other women who may be hesitating in different cases right now?

35:20 Well, I would go back in a New York Minute and it's because of the support of all the Survivor Sisters. We're this loving group that will reach out to anyone to help them come forward like many of us did. The survivor sisters? Survivor sisters, like 60 of them. They get together and they have little meetings. You have meetings and like I said, if they're actually are survivors, maybe it's a coping mechanism for them. But I just find it convenient that Gloria has all these charges, I mean all these criminal or civil cases lined up and she said he cannot use his Fifth Amendment to protect him. He has to testify and we have an old

36:07 um aging before our eyes you know the scenes what's kind of like frail and feeble i mean i don't use i don't use those disrespectfully but it's get them on that stand Allude to whatever he admitted to in the cases in the previous case. He has to be guilty He has to be you gonna talk about current thousand two hundred thousand five hundred. It was saying just like draining him Oh, you already paid three million. I think the first the first she got more lined up as she just say hey The thing you you and you rang the bell Now this Playboy Club allegation or the Playboy mansion Do you know what year this is from?

36:49 We'll get into that. I just wanted to say, because I've seen some old Playboy TV shows with Cosby. We'll get into that too. Go ahead, go ahead though. Because it's like Bill was a player, man. He was a, I'm sorry, player. The whole show, it was just like super sophisticated, but sexy and shit. And I've never been to the Playboy mansion, but I know plenty of people who have. There's sex going on there in the grotto everywhere. I mean come on America's whorehouse. I mean much. Let's just call it what I mean pretty much That's exactly what it is because you know when you go there. It's like everything's prepaid though. Yeah That's not exactly true because there's special you have to boys special playboy coins and

37:38 And you know, and so you can pay for stuff with that. I'm reliably informed. Oh like Chuck E Cheese? Oh yeah, convert your money to tokens. Like Bitcoin. Hello, America's Whorehouse. And we're going to get into the... We're going there. We're going all the way. If I wasn't going to do this show, if I can't go all the way there. But the Playboy Mansion full of his white bunnies, the Red Queen. Oh yeah, we're going all the way there. You understand? So bring it, Mo. Bring it. Alice in the Wonderland. We're going down the rabbit hole because I went down a serious one with this show. So now we're going to go over to the prosecutor that took Bill Cosby down and that is one Miss Christine Gibbons

38:24 So she's on MSNBC. So let's go and get into that clip. It's a lot to take in this morning. Disgraced actor and comedian Bill Cosby. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I got to say one thing. This is when the case first broke. So we're going back in time a little bit. I just gotta make that clear. So we're going back to when the case started picking up steam back in 2015, 2014. No, no, no, excuse me. This is when he was convicted of the case. So this is not the beginning, but this is like the middle when he was actually convicted. Okay, give us a little sound effect. So we know we're going back in time.

39:08 It's a lot to take in this morning. Disgraced actor and comedian Bill Cosby is waking up in jail a day after being sentenced to three to ten years in a Pennsylvania prison months after he was convicted of drugging and sexually assaulting Andrea Constant back in 2004. The 81-year-old led away in handcuffs after a judge ruled he is a sexually violent predator. Kristen Gibbons with the prosecutor in the case. She joins me now. Kristen, you were the one who went to Andrea Constand three years ago. Has justice been served? Did you think this day would happen when you started working on all of this, especially given what a superstar, an icon Bill Cosby was? It's interesting that you ask that question.

39:52 When we decided to charge Bill Cosby, and when I spoke with Andrea and met her and saw how steadfast she was, how brave, how courageous she was, I knew that regardless of the result, justice would be served. Her message would be set forth, her story would be told, and she would be able to confront Bill Cosby as a sexual predator that he was when he sexually assaulted and drugged her that night. Did the Me Too movement have an impact on this trial? During the voir dire process, all of the jurors were asked if they could remain fair and impartial and put anything that they may have heard about the Me Too movement to the side. And I do believe that they were able to do that. But in terms of the support and the advocacy that she received, Andrea Constand received in the public's eye, I think it had definitely a significant impact in that regard. Bullshit. Excuse my language. How can any man at that time

40:53 get a fair trial with the whole Me Too whirlwind swirling. It's not happening. So that was a very disingenuous question. And another thing is, now I'll turn it over to you. Stephanie Ruhl asked her saying, she said, you approached the victim, you went to the victim. So it's not like the victim came out of the, you know, out of the works and was like, oh, I want justice. She had already got her justice with the civil case. And how does this Stephanie, excuse me, Kristen Gibbons Finan, who is a black woman, allegedly, I'm just saying, appears to be, I don't know if she's ADOS or not, but she appears to be a black woman.

41:37 How do you not know about his Fifth Amendment rights and how they're being violated? I mean, this is what perplexes a lot of people. And it's not like you're making me defend Bill. I don't want to defend Bill, you know, because if he did what he said, accused of, there's no defense of that. But at the same time, it's like, hold on, you can't violate people's rights to get them. Because if justice breaks down, we have no shot at all. What you're doing here is something very difficult. I mean, you are a black man defending a black man of something he was narratively convicted of and let off on a technicality.

42:21 Which he should never have been on trial in the first place. And this is part of the defense that is that you know people cannot process what you're saying when you say that. But they have, I'm gonna say this, on the flip side of that coin we've seen certain white men, white society says hands off you can't have him. I don't care what he said, what he did, and we saw this with 45 Savage. People didn't care what he did, what he was accused of. It's like he, that's our guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, no matter what, I'll just go back to Bill. No matter what Bill did,

43:00 the next sum total, he's good for our society and if he did do it, let us handle it. Okay, so there's a little extra piece to that from the narrative and I'm only speaking from the narrative that I've caught and followed you know in the past 20 years and part of that narrative was Bill Cosby is wagging his finger at everybody, telling everybody what to do. Now this could have also been completely narrative driven. I have some personal experiences where he definitely is an arrogant guy. I'm saying he's an asshole, excuse my language. I mean, definitely was, I have the proof. I mean, yeah. I mean, you've heard the, you've heard the Chris, no, the Eddie Murphy story when, you know, Bill Cosby bitched him out and all this crazy stuff. So we've heard all that. So I'm, that's completely tainted and part of the human nature, certainly when it comes to celebrity,

43:57 is, you know, celebrities are... It's like the blue checkmark, you know? It's like, hey, we're just waiting for someone to mess up. And, you know, there's a lot of reasons to hate Bill Cosby. Mm-hmm. Now, there's a lot of reasons to love Bill Cosby, but over the years, the past 20 years, I think it really culminated with the pull your pants up, although I agree with it. Mm-hmm. I like that. Pull your pants up, son. Shut up. Um... That, that was priming, PRIMING. Yeah, it was primer for what happened, for the response where people go like, oh, yeah, makes, of course that guy did that, ah, douche. So yeah, and that's, I think it's a human response. But I'll say this, and as many, and this is a loosely based comparison, but we've seen where guys have been victim of shootings, cop shootings, that have a rap sheet, and Black Lives Matter still does.

44:55 mental gymnastics to make a case for these people to why they need to be held as heroes and be protected. So it's like, oh yeah, black lives matter was nowhere to be found on this. That's my point. It's not, no, I'm not looking for white society to protect Bill, but it's black, but you hit on a very important point that he made himself no friends and didn't make it easy for him to be protected. But nonetheless, my thing with this case is if we can violate one person's rights, especially of that size, And you have lawyers on both sides? I mean, how can she with good heart, I mean I'm sure there's something similar to the Hippocratic Oath lawyers. No, no, no. No, stop. No, there's no such thing. It has to be. No, there is no such thing. The only thing I can say is Red Queen have black hearts. That's for sure.

45:53 I know there's a producer out there. It has to be somewhere that you have to act in good faith. No! When dealing with crime. Like don't you like when you have to recuse yourself and all of that? I mean isn't that part of it? Like hey, I know it's wrong. Hey, I know it's my brother-in-law. You understand that's my brother-in-law's business. Hey, I can't participate in the trial. Well, there's conflict of interest but uh... Okay, I just want to lay it out. I mean because this is, I'm going off my, once again, my law and order and suits. Sure. Legal, legal, uh... And by the way, my first response with Cosby, two response, my first response was, oh, well he got screwed. So yeah, he deserves to get let off. You know, that, wow, that's rare that this kind of happens at that level. And my second response is, when is this going to happen next? Derek Chauvin? I mean, who's this going to have this, you know, these technicalities, that's pretty sloppy.

46:46 And this could happen with all kinds of high-profile cases. Or you can get railroaded that way too, obviously. Right, and that's what when we speak of justice, we're talking about fairness. Not this moral... Well, morally we're going to do the right thing even though it goes against them saying what law says. No, we can't have that. Even though, even in this case, You can like I said, two things can be true, but we can't let that kind of law, legal miscarriage of justice is what I like to say, happen because if it can happen to him, it can happen to anybody. And I have, that could happen to anybody for anything. So next will be the statute of limitations go away. We've seen NDAs basically become nothing. I mean, we said total,

47:39 disintegration of the legal system, which hasn't been favorable to people on my side in the first place. It's like, come on, I mean, like, you can't do bill like this. And I'll say this once again, at some point, and it's a question, it's not a statement, can a group stand up and be like, you can't have him. We know about Elvis Presley. We know about him having a young wife. You're not getting Elvis Presley. I don't care what you say, Certain segments of society is not gonna let Elvis Presley be cancelled. There's other ones out there and even with, go back to R. Kelly, it's not about the people, it's about the money because they'll pull all R. Kelly songs off the radio but they'll let Aaliyah's songs play with R. Kelly in them.

48:33 How does that make sense? Make that make sense. It's like, hold on, I thought we were taking our kids. Well, well, well, no, no, that don't affect Aaliyah's estate. Yeah. Okay. So now this, what I'm doing is painting the picture of why when you talk to somebody, You can see the frustration or the why this would happen. That's not what we're doing. So thinking about that, music and music catalog is definitely more valuable. It's easy to get value from because people all of a sudden want to listen to songs. Although it's still not what it used to be.

49:12 With TV shows, it's very, very different. I think the money, if we're going after money in this case, or partially, that's Cosby himself. He has a lot of money. Like hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. Oh, he's super paid. But the other thing is, is with the content, when you have... He's probably a billionaire, by the way. He's probably a billionaire. I believe that. But when you see... um, content focused, uh, platforms like Netflix or whatever, fill in the blank Amazon. His show has to be worth a lot of money because it's something that you can cut on and it'll mindlessly play in the background, which that's all the content platforms care about, right? Like Office, you can cut the office on, you're not even really watching it, but it's own, right? So, um,

50:08 Not saying now, but I think just as a business, looking at it with a business mind, they could easily say, hey, let's go buy this Cosby thing up for pennies on the dollar and just sit on it. He'll come back around. You know what I'm saying? People will forget what he, I mean, now he's, he never done nothing. I mean, you look at this case 20 years from now, it's like, oh yeah, he was convicted, but he got off. And that would be the footnote. So. Right. Well, just so you know, over, over the years, the Cosby show has generated probably close to $5 billion. I remember we used to come on back to back to back to back every afternoon, like three or four shows. And you would sit down and watch it. Martin's the same way. Certain shows in our community, quote unquote community, that it just, you could sit down and watch them over and over again. And it's because I remember where I was at when I saw that.

51:00 I remember that as a kid, you know, that kind of thing. That's why Elvis would never be canceled because people are like, I remember when I was in the backseat with Johnny, you know what I'm saying? And on all of them in the bluff, you know what I'm saying? You can't take that away from my childhood or my teenage years. I mean, excuse me. It's all about that. I mean, I'm not like, we don't care about Bill Cosby. Let's be honest. We don't care about Bill Cosby, the person We don't care about Elvis the person. We're invested in them and what their impact on our childhood and memories are. That's the only reason we care about these people. True. So I mean, many rant, but fascinating timeline. Let's listen to when Bill was convicted.

51:43 I say this because I know it's a completely different situation, but here we are with the Supreme Court Justice nominee Brett Kavanaugh. He has accusers and our own president is repeating these narratives of, I don't know, were people drunk? It was a long time ago. Where were her loving parents? Which is the opposite of what Me Too is trying to do. Absolutely. I think the Me Too movement is dynamic and even even though there are going to be some people who are going to continue to assassinate the character of these sexual assault victims and survivors. More than some people, some of the most powerful people in the world. Absolutely, and that's going to remain. But you know what? Now, these survivors have a community and they have support. And with the conviction of Bill Cosby, they now know that justice can be served, that justice can prevail.

52:34 And again, I know they're very different situations, but tomorrow when Brett Kavanaugh's accuser, Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, is going to be questioned, they're now bringing in a sex crimes specialist, a woman who has decades of experience. It is due process taking place here, seeing that it is just Christine Ford and it is just Brett Kavanaugh. We're not subpoenaing Mark Judge. There is no FBI investigation. Can she actually do her job here? You know, due process is the opportunity to be heard. And I admire Dr. Ford, given this constrained process coming forward under these constraints being scrutinized in the public eye and also for the Judiciary Committee. Can due process occur under these settings? It's going to remain to be seen.

53:26 It's kind of fun to do this after the fact because I'd completely forgotten how that intersected with the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court hearing timeline. Yeah, Bill just happens to be convicted right when Kavanaugh's, the day before when Blasey Ford is supposed to testify, which I'll say as a side note, if I've ever seen anybody that could possibly be an MKUltra victim- It was Blasey Ford. This little child voice, I mean, I'm just saying. So he gets taken down when the 2016 election is ramping up. He gets convicted right when Kavanaugh goes on trial and Kavanaugh's another one. They just brought people out of his past and like, oh, let's just lay it all out there. But you see how people rallied around him to protect him.

54:18 There was none of that for Bill. You better be bringing Clarence Thomas into this thing pretty soon. Got me some Long Don Silverbett on it. That's another show for another day. No kidding. Similar in the same case. One of the things, one of the side stories I want to point out is it's amazing how when the Boule turn their back on you, no protection. Bills handed out a lot of those bills you talked about and nobody came to his defense nobody Which could also be just because everyone thought he was an incredible dick. It's like you know Yet and still He's certain in certain cultures you certain people that you can't take if you gave me a list to say okay Who's on that list of untouchable? in the black community prior to this I

55:17 It would have been like Oprah, Obama, Bill Cosby, you see what I'm saying? Yeah. He's like, Bill didn't get nobody to come out for him? That was very blaring to me. That was like, wow, this is orchestrated in some kind of way where nobody took up for him. Well, so there was some people who took it up for him. Who? Was it someone who worked with him? Most of this, well we will get to, yeah there's one person that took up for him, we'll get there. Okay. Okay, so now we're gonna hop on over to CNN and this is Elon.

55:54 Hoag Nick, he's a legal analyst and he's gonna slam Bill Cosby's prosecutors. Bill Cosby has not been exonerated. Nobody has said he didn't do it. Nobody has said he is innocent. The people to blame here are the prosecutors. And there's two aspects of that. First of all, Bruce Castor, the district attorney who made this deal back in 2004, 2005 where he essentially said, I don't believe we have enough evidence to prosecute him criminally. That enabled Bill Cosby, forced Bill Cosby to testify in his criminal deposition. That's why, that's the deal that Bruce Castor made. Can he be faulted for that? Absolutely. He bears blame for that. And then part two is that

56:35 future prosecutors came along after Bruce Castor and they said we're not playing by that deal. We're not observing that deal and that's what the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said is the legal problem here. They said once Bruce Castor made that deal, we're not going to prosecute you. Like it or not, good deal or bad deal, future prosecutors that came after him were bound by that and when they went back on that deal and tried him, that's what they say violated Bill Cosby's rights. That's what this decision was about. And Laura, I mean as Bryn was just pointing out, you know, he's never, Bill Cosby has never admitted guilt. He's always maintained his innocence. However, in the deposition in 2005, when he thought that this was a civil case and he was never going to be prosecuted, he did admit

57:17 what he did. So all of these accusers, I mean the vast majority say that he drugged them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their will. And in that deposition, the question from Andrea Constand, one of the accusers from her attorney was, when you got the quaaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with? Bill Cosby replies, yes. Okay. You see the trick they did there? First of all, it was a deposition in cases from 2005. Right. Which was something completely... I mean, the way I... and of course I didn't look into it. I was like, oh, they did this maybe six months ago, they got a deposition or something. And Quaaludes, I mean, I don't know.

58:10 What did they do there that you thought was... Because they said, first of all, they said Bill Cosby has not admitted to anything. Yes. They said that. Right. Yes, he hasn't admitted to anything but there was something about the Quaaludes that he is... It's a whipsaw, what you call is a whipsaw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They definitely asked a question but it wasn't... Right, so then they say, did you give the women Quaaludes to have sex with? Maybe we need to go back and listen to that story. Let's talk about what we heard first and then we'll go back and listen to what we actually heard. Basically, she says that he didn't admit to anything, but in the deposition he did admit to giving women Quaaludes that he planned to have sex with. That's not the same thing as drugging people. Correct. And then they threw in the middle of that, women said

59:03 All right, let me hear this again. But Caster's successor used Cosby's testimony as a key piece of evidence more than a decade later. Bill Cosby was convicted of drugging and sexually assaulting Constand. I'm sorry, this is the wrong clip. I'm sorry, my mistake. Here we go. This is the one I want in here. I'm going to pick it up here. Cosby's rights, that's what this decision was about. I mean, as Bryn was just pointing out, Bill Cosby has never admitted guilt. He's always maintained his innocence. However, in the deposition in 2005, when he thought that this was a civil case and he was never going to be prosecuted, he did admit

59:42 What he did so all of these accusers I mean the vast majority Say that he drugged them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their will and in that deposition the question from Andrea say that he drugged them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their will. And in that deposition, the question from Andrea Constand, one of the accusers from her attorney was, when you got the quaaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with? Bill Cosby replies, yes. I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:00:23 And that's why they kept saying he admitted to what he did. He admitted to what he did. He admitted to the only thing he admitted to and I can say I'm not absolving Bill of anything, of any actions. I'm just saying how the media covered this. With these tricks, if you have slam dunk testimony, play it. But she did this whole wind up of he didn't admit anything and in the deposition he was asked and then women accused him of this and then she goes back to the deposition and say when he was asked, were you planning to give the KWELU to women you're gonna have sex with? He said yes.

1:01:04 So here's the actual transcript. Okay, you test question you testified that he knew you were not going to take them and I'd like to explain your answer. How did he know or why do you say he knew? Answer what was happening at the time was that that was quaaludes happened to be a the drug that kids, young people were using to party with and there were times when I wanted to have them just in case. Mr. Colby says he never took the Quaaludes himself. This is now narration. Mr. Colby says he never took the Quaaludes himself because they made him sleepy because he was using them in his efforts to have sex with women. He also says that with the exception of one glass of beer, he stopped drinking alcohol when he was 16. Question, why didn't you ever take the Quaaludes? Answer, because I used them. Q, for what?

1:01:59 A, the same as a person would say they have a drink. So it's not even... he says that he was, you know... The way I'm reading it, cursory here, is that, you know, it's like, oh, you know, you want to toke off of this joint, you want to quaalude, you know, you want to drink, get in the mood. That's kind of the way he was... that's it, just reading through this quickly, it seems like that's what he admitted to. Right, and all I'm doing is just deposing that to the way they put the narrative right. Oh no, I just... When under oath he said, yeah, I crush them up and I put them into the drink. Now that's Allison Camerota, I believe.

1:02:46 uh... allison camarota no one says that this day making seem like that's what he admitted to his own words that he was a drugging women understand what you're saying right uh... anderson but allison camarota who said that on that clip from cnn uh... she has a story behind her too was she not uh... she uh... She accused Fox of sexual harassment against her before she left for CNN that makes convenient to have a big fish taken down like Cosby mm-hmm when all that you want all these other cases are pending and I don't want to belabor this point too long, but I just want to make one She's you know she's she's all on board with invested. Yeah, she's invested. That's a good way to put it. Yes. She's invested so Eli Hogan egg said that

1:03:43 He called out Bill Caster, I think his name, the prosecutor that made the deal. And then he said the future prosecutors, never naming Ms. Kristen Gibbons Fetton, that was the one that actually went and sought out the victim. Notice he never named dropped her. He just said the future prosecutors. So it's like, hold on, wait a minute. If we're calling out names, let's call out everybody's names, but he didn't do that. So I just found that as a was an interesting omission. So now what we're going to do is we're going to actually listen to Bill Cosby himself speak, and this is when he's fresh out of prison on release. Judy Cosby telling ABC's Lindsay Davis on the phone after his release that his conviction did not match the truth. Tonight his accusers also reacting to the news. He is no longer in prison.

1:04:31 And nobody had the sense to say, wait one second, this doesn't match up with the truth. This is not what I was taught in college. This is not what I was taught at home, etc., etc. Tonight, Bill Cosby talking to ABC News just hours after becoming a free man. His 2018 sex assault conviction overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court after an appeal. Justice is ruling he should not have been prosecuted because of a deal with former DA Bruce Castor that he would not be

1:05:09 be charged if he agreed to testify in a 2005 civil suit brought by accuser Andrea Constand. Today's ruling stated that in accordance with the advice of his attorneys, Cosby relied on Castor's public announcement he would not be prosecuted. But Castor's successor used Cosby's testimony as a key piece of evidence more than a decade later. Bill Cosby was convicted of drugging and sexually assaulting Constand, serving two of his three to ten year sentence before his release today. Dozens of other women accused Cosby of drugging and sexually assaulting them. Today's news leaving many of his accusers stunned and angry. Today Cosby's longtime co-star Felicia Rashad tweeted support saying quote a miscarriage of justice is corrected. She followed that up with another tweet saying she supports survivors of sexual assault and did not intend to be insensitive to quote their truth Judy.

1:06:03 Oh, you know what happened there. Felicia got the boule phone. Yeah, that's right. Hey girl! Hey girl! Let's talk about that! Felicia, you gotta fix that baby. You're just like... And that's how it works. You release one tweet and then it's like the phone rings and that's just... It's like, uh, hey Felicia, uh, this is the Boule Inc. calling and um, we'd like to say that uh, what your uh, statement is doesn't jive well with what we're trying to do over here, so, uh, we need you to go on social media and correct that, uh, ASAP. You're getting bored with the program here, Felicia? Right, and, and, and, on, like, on cue. Mm-hmm. On cue, she corrects her statement, and this is not the first time. Felicia Rashad, Bill Cosby's TV wife, finally speaking out.

1:06:50 This is more women continue to come forward and protesters are threatening to disrupt three comedy concerts in Canada starting tonight. Now there's Mrs. Huxtable going on the record. Tonight's top story, Maura Cosby crash and burn. Will his TV wife stand by her man? You were on the set with him for more than a decade, working very closely with him. At no time did you ever see anything inappropriate? What I saw was fun. Never anything inappropriate. What I saw was work and play at work and fun. Mrs. Cosby was a frequent visitor to the studio. She was there a lot. That's what I saw.

1:07:37 Felicia Rashad, Bill Cosby's TV wife for more than eight years, is finally speaking out. She tells ABC News correspondent Lindsay Davis she learned about the claims against Cosby along with the rest of the world. I can't even speak to those things and don't want to. The sit down airing on ABC News came just hours after Rashad was quoted on the website Showbiz411 where it sounded like she was implying there was some sort of plot against Cosby. Here's the purported quote. Forget these women. What you're seeing is the destruction of a legacy, and I think it's orchestrated. I don't know why or who's doing it, but it's the legacy. That was a misquote. That is not what I said. What I said is this is not about the women. This is about something else. This is about the obliteration of legacy.

1:08:29 No, that's a phone is real. It's right man. That's that thing is off the hook now. It's like It's real and That's why you don't have just to pat ourself on the back a show like this on the mainstream because my bullet phone would have been wrong by like clip for it's like And the way it works is like not like a Huge power structure is just that somebody knows somebody know somebody and they'll have your friend call you like hey Not looking too good. You know you might want to go out and know get ahead of it That's what are you they use us or you might want to get ahead of this issue? Yeah, right out in front of this because Claire Huxtable and I used her TV name for a reason and

1:09:21 Legacy's at stake. Yeah. Because the only thing that she is is legacy to the masses is Claire Huxtable. No Cosby show, no Claire Huxtable. Who is she? But at the same time, she also has loyalty to the sisterhood. She's in a tough spot. Yeah. And she knows how it goes down in Hollywood. I mean, she knows and she's like, this is mass conspiracy. Now, like I said, You can be guilty of something, but the powers that be, they're saying cover it up for you. And I think that's how this whole thing works in general. If you know how skull and bone works, they want to know all your dark secrets. You land a casket, you tell all your dark secrets. And Bill's landing the casket, he's like, oh yes, I like to put Quaaludes in women's drinks, you know, that's my thing. And they're like, great Bill, you know what I'm saying? Awesome. But they take those secrets

1:10:17 and use them and weaponize them when they see fit. And it's like, well, we need a big name for me too. Who we got up? It's like, oh yeah, Bill. And I know we're talking, speaking about this in gallows humor, but we have to because it's a very heinous crime, set of crimes that allegedly happened. But at the same time, this takedown is one of the most fascinating takedowns I've seen in my life. Yeah, it really is. It's nothing compared to the, you know, we've got the Cuomo takedown, the most recent one. It puts all this stuff in an interesting perspective. But where's the handcuffs though? Right. Oh no, no, he got to slip out the back door. I mean, ten thousand... And he wasn't 15,000, he wasn't elected official.

1:11:10 Doing this to people in his office. I mean allegedly now can you understand the frustration? With so-called black people in the justice system Yes, what this is what causes the frustration because it's like hold on who was bills lawyers first of all and it's you know What how did this even make it the trial? You have a public statement by the person that made the deal with him saying, oh, we can't use that testimony. Public. It wasn't like a hidden secret, closed indictments. What is a sealed indictment? So there's something else. So on a bigger scale, in my mind, yes, America has a two-tiered justice system, and we've seen it a lot. You see it with people like Roger Stone. You see it with, I've had my own version of it with

1:12:01 with taxation issues, where if you have enough juice with the justice system, you can take the IRS to court and you can win certain things. General Michael Flynn I mean, this is well documented how he got railroaded by the justice system. So this does happen to people who the powerful want to have taken care of. Now, does this mean that it's the Illuminati and the Boulle doing this black and white? Possibly. It may be a little more across the board.

1:12:37 I understand where you're coming from, but there's also a currently, and this follows along of you saying, hey, we're first, yeah, we're following close behind, because there is a certain type of, exactly a certain type of white man Notice, by the way, toxic masculinity only really is for white men, whenever it's used. And there's different types of justice. Of course, we haven't seen someone on the level of Cosby, but definitely it's an anti-man thing for sure. I hear you on the black thing.

1:13:21 You've seen Godfather, right? I just think it's bigger than that. I think it's... You have me with America's dad. Right. No, no, no, what I'm saying is the Boulay was complicit. No, the Boulay doesn't have the kind of power to take down a Cosby. Let's just be clear on that as well. They don't have... They were complicit, and I was going to make an analogy to Godfather, right? When Michael's older brother got whacked, right? He got hit at the toll booth. Right. The toll... The toe guy had to be in on it, right? I'm not saying he's the one to pull the trigger, but he had to know to get down. They about to start shooting. You see what I'm saying? So he had some knowledge of the take down was going to happen. That's what I'm saying. That's the Boulez role in it.

1:14:03 They turned their back on Bill and crossed their arms and said, we're not touching this. You're on your own. And that's the point I'm making. No, the bullet doesn't have the kind of power to take down a Bill Cosby. And it's not even a call. What I'm saying is if you're a willing participant in this narrative of like getting emotionally invested in it, This is how when you walk away from it, like see, this is what I'm talking about. You know, black man can't get a fair trial in America. This is what ferments, excuse me, foments this kind of behavior. This kind of, it's just like, bro, what do you got to do? I mean, the Fifth Amendment, everybody know fifth. If you watch David Chappelle, I'm playing the fifth. You know what I'm saying? Come on, come on. Everybody knows that, but

1:14:51 Yeah, so I just say that all that to say now we need to get into the timeline of the Bill Cosby allegation For Bill Cosby it has been a week of allegations from women who say they were sexually assaulted in the past by the comedian Many claims they were drugged. You never saw any drugs but I would wake up completely confused, half-dressed, and knowing that my body had been touched without my permission. Bowman says she went to Cosby's New York apartment alone and that Cosby flew her all around the country as he performed at various venues. But she says the advances were unwelcome. Also speaking out, Joan Tarshis. We went up to his bungalow afterwards.

1:15:39 He made me a drink and very shortly after that I just I passed out I woke up or came to very groggily with him removing my underwear. Tarsha says that in 1969 she voluntarily saw Cosby again when he invited her to a performance. After accepting drinks at his hotel and in a limo, she says she woke up the next morning with him in his bed. Ironically, Cosby released a comedy album that same year titled It's True, It's True, joking about that very issue.

1:16:18 You know what? You know anything about Spanish fly? No, tell me about it. Well, there's this girl, Crazy Mary. You put some in her drink, man, she... It's like Louis CK. And the thing about this clip was the show that these women saw him again and again afterwards. Which is another thing, like I said, I'm not making the case for Bill Cotton, that's not what I'm doing. What I'm illustrating is how you have such a divide on this case. And when we have these divides, it's by design, I believe. That's my personal opinion that let's take a case that can shatter society, you know what I'm saying? And have them on looking at the same thing, but looking at it from two different angles. Well, like OJ and et cetera. Exactly. Because OJ set back racial relations. And Michael Jackson.

1:17:13 Same thing and then you got Bill Cosby here America's dad clean-cut never ever waves his finger everybody all you need to do this pull up your paint like said that kind of thing yeah, and it's like hold on in the 1970s he just out here randomly you're saying assaulting women a black man in the 1970s and you can't get it no I mean it just doesn't register like as being huh like 1970s I mean, men were still getting lynched in the 1980s. Let's just keep it funky with you. Right. And in 1970s, you have a man running around Hollywood. Did you just say let's keep it funky with you? Is that what you just said to me, Mo? Yeah. Thanks. I just want to make sure I'm funky. Sorry. No, but I'm just saying, it's just that these things, when they hit your brain,

1:18:07 Yeah, in little morsels the fact that we're deep dive right now. I'm going through this timeline and you know the narrative It's one way, but when these little morsels hit your brain like it's like hold on what the women saw him again Hollywood get down I mean like that kind of thing so um But I'll say Bill did himself no favors once again by making the Spanish fly. Now this is a little long, but it's important we listen to it. When I was 13, man, start talking about weird things. No, really, stand on a corner. You know anything about Spanish fly? What? Spanish fly.

1:18:50 It always happens when you're 13. Only when you're 13 on up to like when you get married. Guys stand around and talk about Spanish fly and it never starts with one of the guys on the corner. It's always some strange 13 year old who says, you know what? You know anything about Spanish fly? No, tell me about it. Well there's this girl, crazy Mary. She puts some in her drink, man. She goes, ah, ah, ah, ah. Yeah, Spanish, oh yeah, that's really groovy, man. Spanish fly is groovy, yeah, boy. From then on, man, any time you see a girl, well, yeah, Spanish fly, boy. Go to a party, see five girls standing alone. Boy, if I had a whole jug of Spanish fly, I'd like that too. So I thought it only existed in Philadelphia, you know, and I'm working on I Spy and Bob and I are working together. Sheldon Leonard comes up, says, boys, I Spy is going to Spain. A childhood dream comes true.

1:19:51 I'm sorry to interrupt this but he almost has the cadence of George Carlin in this clip. Yeah. It's so different from from his... It's very different. I like it. I said to Bob, you know, because he don't know nothing about it. I said, hey Bob, you know what I'm gonna pick up when I'm in Spain? He said Spanish fries. I said, wait a minute man, how'd you know about it? He said, are you kidding? There's a girl in my neighborhood in Berkeley named Crazy Mary, we gave her some coffee. And every time he told me a story, I had heard it. Every time I told him a story, he had heard it. We all knew the same story. So I figured there's gotta be a guy about 2,000 years old that looks 13 going around the world. You guys know anything about Spanish?

1:20:51 So Bob and I, man, we're just singing. We're gonna get some Spanish fly. Spanish fly. Love it, love it. And we're riding on the plane, Spanish fly. Spanish fly. And we get in the go-through cushion. This is the land of Spanish fly. Spanish fly. We get in the cab. And Ryan's the driver. Bob says, ask this guy if he knows where we can get some Spanish fly. I said, you know, ask the cab driver. No, ask the cab driver. He may know, man. Driver? Station Yard? Listen, uh, you Spanish? Station Yard, you American? Yes. You come from America? Yes. You could tell me maybe you brought with you some American flags? That's a great... and he also... you can hear Eddie Murphy took a

1:21:48 Eddie Murphy was influenced by that. It's very interesting to hear this. Good clip and a very different kind of joke, of course, than the way it was worked into that clip before. But... And then make the jump from Spanish fly to quaaludes. That's the only thing. It's like, hold on. They took these little morsels. Oh, you know how he made that comedy show about drugging women, right? Clearly, we have his confession. We have his tape about Spanish fly. Clearly, this is an open and shut case. So this is how

1:22:25 Bill Cosby was railroaded. Great, great media deconstruction in general, Mo. Great media deconstruction. I appreciate that. Now we got to get to the Quaaludes and how popular they was in the 1970s. Who could forget this scene from the Wolf of Wall Street? Leonardo DiCaprio and Jonah Hill high on Quaaludes, unable to walk or speak. It's pretty funny, but Quaaludes are no joke. The drug is now getting lots of attention after Bill Cosby admitted giving them to women.

1:23:03 Nicknamed disco biscuits, Quaaludes were hugely popular in the 70s, widely consumed in nightclubs like the legendary Studio 54. Originally developed as a sleeping pill, Quaaludes had a deeply relaxing effect, much like strong alcohol. It's not the typical high you'd get if you were taking like ecstasy where you're partying or you're doing coke and you're really up. It's more of a relaxed kind of high. But Quaaludes were often abused. In 1977, director Roman Polanski gave then 13-year-old Samantha Geimer a portion of a Quaalude before he had sex with her. He fled the country to avoid prison, never to return. It's not uncommon to see things like seizures, coma and death. And that

1:23:50 absolutely happened, which is why the drug, although it wasn't on the market for very long, became a huge problem and it became very quickly taken off the market. You know, by the 80s it was gone. Bill Cosby was prescribed Quaaludes for a bad back. He says he never took them but kept them on hand to offer dates. This is great. I never heard all the I was so busy looking at 45 savage and all the stuff at the time It's I'm sorry that I didn't really follow this That's why it's a great topic to cover because we all were just sucked into the media narrative. No, you know Moe, you know, I like I just a black guy who gives a shit typical. That's all I thought I

1:24:35 No, what it is, we saw it like, okay, who's gonna be the next one? And that was kind of the narrative. Bill, okay, who's next? Okay, Weinstein, who's up next? Moon, whatever his name is. Les Moonves. Yeah, Les Moonves, who's next? You know, that kind of thing. But yet and still, when they talk about Roman Polanski, he gives one to a 13-year-old girl before they have sex, not the rape word. Right and yeah, and that was actually very very very soft on Polanski the way the media usually is about him Well, let's have a small discussion about Roman Polanski. Who did he piss off? I mean because it seems like now Hollywood loves him because he actually won a what Oscar or something they gave a male Street was game of standing ovation and we'll hear you know saying stuff about that but

1:25:31 To be on the run that long as a white guy? I mean, like, I mean, this totally, this totally breaks the narrative because we have this white guy on the run for his life over giving, you know, 13-month Quaaludes and we have Bill Cosby, a black guy, just dropping Quaaludes like dimes. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, well, hold on, what, how does that happen in a racial America? I mean, this is why it's like such a mind screw. How does that happen? I don't, I don't know. I don't know how that happens. But like I said, disco biscuits, that's a crazy name. I hadn't heard of disco biscuits, but I like it. I like it a lot. That's good. Not like butter biscuits, folks. Not like butter biscuits. No, no, it's a whole different kind of biscuit. A whole different kind of biscuit. So let's see. Now we have Roman Polanski's victim.

1:26:20 and she wants the case dropped. She was sexually assaulted by director Roman Polanski as a teenager. Now she wants a Los Angeles judge to drop the case. Daniel Nottingham has the story. I'm just here to try and get things resolved and not on Roman's behalf, but on the behalf of a fair justice system. Samantha Geimer delivered a passionate plea to end a case that's kept her in the headlines for the past 40 years. She says the trauma of media scrutiny has been more painful than the crime. I do not want to have to explain. explain to my granddaughter why she can't go outside or answer the phone or why there are crammer crews outside my home and eventually what happened to her Nana in 1977. Geimer was 13 when director Roman Polanski, then 43 years old, gave her champagne and a pill during a photo shoot in the Hollywood Hills and sexually assaulted her.

1:27:13 The Oscar winner pleaded guilty to unlawful intercourse with a minor in 1977. He was sent to a state prison for a 90-day evaluation, but was released after 42 days. Polanski fled the country to avoid additional time in 1978. He was notably absent from accepting a Best Director Academy Award for The Pianist in 2003. Friday's hearing was part of an effort by Polanski's lawyer, Harland Braun, to dismiss the case and get an international warrant lifted that would allow Polanski to travel more freely outside of the U.S.

1:27:50 Outside of the courtroom, Geimer said she never felt the case was about her. I'm standing here saying I'm fine and nothing you can do to him will help me or anybody else. Suddenly it's the states not me that count. It's a really hypocritical view. Either victims count or they don't. Yeah, well you know, I've always thought that the Roman Polanski issue was not about this so-called rape or underage rape at all, but about his investigation of the Tate murder. Oh, you're talking about the Manson? The Manson's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Because he was all over that and it was all kinds of weird stuff. He was training with Bruce Lee and then I guess he thought Bruce Lee might have killed him. And it was just all kinds of weird stuff. I don't know, I always thought that he had uncovered something there

1:28:44 That was my question, like who did he piss off? Yeah, well when you said that, that's what triggered it with me. I kind of remember looking into that. In a time where it was just like, oh, I mean, 13-year-old Quaaludes, I mean, that's like, you know, a Saturday night, you know what I'm saying, Hollywood. I say that flippantly, but that's kind of like how Me Too paints the narrative. Like, that was the good old boys club, just how they roll, but all of a sudden, now, Pulaski's on the run for his life, yet and still. So I just found that weird, I mean just as a juxtaposition with your copy. I don't want to go... There's one other part to it. This is the way it's been told to me, no judgment, I'm just saying here's what the story is. If we presume that a lot of powerful Jews have control over things in Hollywood, Roman Polanski being Polish

1:29:37 And he may have actually made some comments about this or may have been some screenplay. The Hollywood Jews have a big problem with Poland because they feel it was Poland that really built the concentration camps for the Nazis. They even made a Netflix documentary kind of rewriting history or whatever you want to say reshaping the narrative around Poland so that makes plenty of sense now I didn't know that that's why I love talking to you because I didn't know that part of yeah he may have said something actually his poet I'm reading from Wikipedia now his Polish Jewish parents moved the family back from Paris to Krakow in 37

1:30:21 Then Paul was invaded, let me see, after his mother and father were taken in raids Polanski spent his formative years in foster homes under an adopted identity surviving the Holocaust. So that's also probably might be something contentious like you know you hid your true identity so he didn't have to go to the work camps. Oh he was passing! Yes! Stuff like that, stuff like that. So I don't know exactly, but I think all of this comes into play somehow. Okay, so I brought up Roman Polanski to show you an example of how you thought or would think Bill would have been protected. And this is Whoopi Goldberg explaining the Roman Polanski case on The View. Was not charged, I know it wasn't rape, rape.

1:31:11 Yeah, there is some statutory. Rape rape. Child molest maybe? I'm not sure it was child molest. It was something else, but I don't believe it was rape rape. Rape rape. And when I get all the information, somebody will tell me in my ear. All I'm trying to get you to understand is when we're talking about what someone did and what they were charged with, we have to say what it actually was, not what we think it was. So if we go back to what he said he did, he gave her quaaludes, he gave her champagne, she was drugged, she was 13 years old. They were having sex beforehand. He asked her to use a transparent... That's what I'm saying. You're 13 years old. She was still a child. He actually, excuse me. Initially he was charged with rape. Go ahead. And then he pled guilty to having sex with a minor. Okay? And he went to jail and when they let him out... 45 days. And when they let him out, he said, you know what? This guy's going to give me 100 years in jail. I'm not staying. And that's why he left. So that's why I wanted to be really clear because I wanted to know exactly what we were talking about. And I'm going, does that make it okay to, you know, instead of staying and fighting to say, you know, he's going to give me 100 years. I'm out of here.

1:32:14 I don't know if it's okay, but what we were talking about was what he did. And that's what I wanted to clear up. That's all I wanted to clear up. Because I don't like it when we're passionate about something and we don't have all the facts. Okay, so he was charged with statutory rape. So should he be prosecuted now? I believe yes, because the crime has not changed. I know she wants to move on, but what does it say about crimes that are still being committed against children? I love how she's sticking up for the Polish guy. Rape, rape. Rape, rape. What the hell is rape, rape? It's not rape, rape. It's not the socket cap of your face climbed through the window kind of rape. It's that acceptable kind. That's totally disgusting. Why don't people like that get counsel?

1:33:05 Could you imagine getting on TV and defending R. Kelly by saying what R. Kelly did wasn't really rape, rape. Imagine if a black man would have got on television and would have said that. They would have been out, the boule phone would have rang mid-episode, like, hey, get him out of here ASAP. Rape, rape? I'm glad you caught on to that. Like, she said it twice. Of course, of course. Huh? Of course. You think that's crazy? Wait till you get to the second clip. Well, she forgives him, but forgiveness is not permission. And forgiveness doesn't mean he didn't break the law. I agree with you, Sherry. And if, this is a point somebody brought up backstage, if he was not famous, would we be protecting him as much as we are? Because his friend, Otto Weissinger said, you know, millions and millions of people love his work. He's a brilliant guy and he made a little mistake 32 years ago. What a shame for Switzerland, said Otto Weisser, Polanski's friend.

1:34:03 Well, you know, I have to tell you again, you know, we're we're a different kind of society. We see things differently. The world sees 13 year olds and 14 year olds and the rest of Europe. They are seen often. I wonder what I would say if that was his 13 year old daughter. Well, Sherry, I don't know, but I do know that not everybody agrees with the way that we see things. Now, would I want my 14-year-old having sex with somebody? Not necessarily, no. But I will tell you that I'm not surprised that he hasn't come back. I'm not surprised that he didn't come back under the guise that he would have 31 years ago. Will he get a different kind of feel now? Maybe.

1:34:50 That's pretty incredible how old is that that's so that can only be like I guess this is back from that time from the cause Maybe 2014 2015 because I think that's when the clip that she wanted to case drop I think that's when um yeah, you know right after after that that happening but a different kind of society I'm like what I don't know what kind of society she lives in and Well, seeing as her real name is Karen Johnson. Oh, okay. She lives in a fantasy world regardless. I want to know who's pulling Whoopi's strings. For her to go out on a limb like that in the climate. ABC. Whoopi is a company woman.

1:35:43 So she's Disney. Whatever Disney wants her to say, she says. That's the way I've always felt. Oh, it makes complete sense sleeping with 13 year olds now. That's all you had to say. Thank you. Okay. Just trying to clear it up for you. It's a Disney outfit. Yeah. And this is why this show is important because you will not have this conversation anywhere else because As you say, she's a company woman. Yeah. And most people that are company people can't have discussions like this, but we can on the Mo Facts with Adam Curry Show. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it.

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1:42:11 Hoping for a mo karma for all and love is lit PS There was a producer from last show looking for someone to do a podcast with I would be interested if you could hook us up at his discretion, of course contact to follow TorpX11 at gmail.com t-o-r-p-e-x 11 That's 1 1 at gmail.com. And of course we got it. We're sorry. We we need to create a site like podcast mingle So podcasters partners can find each other You know Another business idea is born, Moe. You gotta stop doing this to me. More business! We're looking at Sir DH Slammer who came in with a show donation I'm sure for the last show. We'll pop him in for today. He had 64.

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1:46:54 Right, so just to let people know that. So speaking of checks, we have to go and see who pulled the trigger on Bill to get this whole thing rolling and what was their conversation. So now we have to get into Hannibal Buress and his standup joke. Back in 2006, actor Bill Cosby dealt with a civil lawsuit alleging that he sexually assaulted a woman. Now there were 13 other women that came forward as part of that case and before any of them could testify, Cosby decided to actually settle the suit with the woman who filed the suit against him. Her name is Andrea Constant.

1:47:34 originally she wanted to file a criminal lawsuit however prosecutors said that there wasn't enough evidence to do so so now as a result fast forward to today a comedian decided to make some interesting commentary on this entire sexual assault case and of course it's making headlines i want you guys to take a look at the video and then we'll discuss That is the fucking smuggest old black male public persona that I hate. Pull your pants up black people, I was on TV in the 80s. I can talk down to you because I had a successful sitcom. Yeah it was great living with Bill Cosby.

1:48:13 I don't curse on stage, but yeah, you're a rapist so I can take you saying lots of motherfuckers on Bill Cosby himself if you want a rapist. For the most part it's fucking public teflon image. I've done this bit on stage and people don't believe me, people think I'm making it up. I'm like, Bill Cosby did a lot of rape allegations. No, you didn't. That shit is upsetting. If you didn't know about it, trust me. You leave here, Google Bill Cosby rape. That shit has more results than Hannibal Burke's.

1:48:50 Yeah, man, I forgot about that. He was his joke. Yeah, he lit the fuse. Yeah Or did he was he just doing a stand-up act and people took this and say you know what we could take this and run with it And we can say you know what it was a black man You're saying that do that initiate this whole circus into action to take down another black man I'm be honest with you before this I had never heard of Hannibal no never heard of Hannibal Burch Somebody could correct me if I'm wrong, but I never seen him on Comedy Central or I'd never heard of him since could be honest I

1:49:33 Well, we're going to get to that. And why? We're going to get to why you haven't heard of him since. But another thing is, we talked about America's dad and the take down the patriarchy, but also now our understanding of respectability politics and how that's like the third rail Bill had to go. Because we talked about respectability politics on the last nest that pull up your pants, cut your hair, use correct English. All the things Bill was saying, he was a respectability politician. He was trying to shape up the black man. We can't have that. We got to use those for our own agenda.

1:50:17 That is correct. So now we have, uh, you don't know if you heard this guy named Joe Rogan, but um, Hannibal Buress. I've heard of his show. Okay. Hannibal Buress sat down with him and talked about the aftermath of Bill Cosby. Have you like completely moved past all the Cosby shit or do you still take grief for that? Not grief. No, I've uh... Well now you're vindicated. I was... Instead of grief it was just where I would be forced to talk about it in situations I didn't want to. And also, it came out, the joke in that video came out right before we were starting the rollout for my Comedy Central TV show. And we actually, people don't know, we pushed back my announcement

1:51:12 Because that look opportunistic that news was that crazy that we pushed it back by maybe We pushed it back the premiere announced by a month or two Wow because it was that and so So even though I had my comedy central deal in place this in since 2012 I had an all-around comedy central deal and so then when I came out and then I got my show with it well then my show Was scheduled to go on the air it looked like oh he did a Cosby joke and then he got the TV show. It's like no man. This is like my fourth development deal, and this is finally the show that I got a Isn't it funny how things work? Funny how that works like you do you do the Cosby joke and then you get the show

1:52:02 He said he was in the fourth development deal. So this is what the person that wrote in talking about nuance and humanizing. We're not going to jump on Hannibal Buress and say that he was sat down in a smoky room like, hey, Hannibal, you're going to write this joke. You're going to say Bill Cosby erased me. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. And you're sure it's going to be catapulted off of it. No, that's not how it works. They knew of this joke, I think. They gave it gas, the Young Turks, I saw it on Fox News. Hold on a second, let me correct you the way I believe it to work. Okay, please. He did the joke, the joke made the special work for them for whatever reason. They didn't tell him to write the joke, but it was the fourth development deal, finally they said, oh, now you got something we can use, son.

1:52:59 Yeah, like I said, I'm thinking that it happened. He told the joke under the development deal. He picked up press, you know, whoever, me too, whoever wants to give it gas, Young Turks, Fox 5. I mean, I heard it on Fox. I'm like, who is Hannibal? Who the hell is Hannibal Buress? That was my question. Like, who is this guy? And then they call him in like, hey, we got the, you know, you know that show you wanted on? I think it'd be a great time for it. When you go out, you know, you're going to be asked about it. And then it's like, you know how the press does, it's like, oh, we hate to ask you this, but why we have you here? Bill Cosby, is he a rapist? You know what I'm saying? It's like, what? I came here to talk about my show that's about to go off. So I can say, I don't want to. Shoot, man, do you know that this guy, he is the voice of Fly Low FM on Grand Theft Auto?

1:53:48 I never played that game so... I mean, I never, yeah. What's wrong with you man? What do you mean you don't like killing hookers? Come on. I'm a sports guy. I play basketball, football, and then Mario. I'll play anything with Mario in it. Just a little insight, you know. I got you. But yeah, I think that's how it goes is that while you're on your press run, you're gonna be asked about Bill. And he even said it, he said, I felt forced to talk about it. And then it makes him look bad, like, oh, you're the guy that took down Bill Cosby, that kind of thing. And he even alluded to in the standup that Bill Cosby was Teflon. So it even speaks more to my, like, why was he allowed to be taken down like this? Not saying he shouldn't, but I'm just curious how that happened.

1:54:34 We have a part two to the Rogan and Hannibal clip. So that was the thing where instead of just having this show that I was able to, it was this energy around it, you know, in 2005, July, like yeah, all early 2005, it was this energy around it. Where if I was gonna do press around that time they were definitely gonna what year was it this was 2015 two years ago And that show in Philly was October 2014 so Yeah, it's just kind of really affected the the energy around it as far and my Want and an eagerness to do

1:55:24 Lot of press just because I knew it was gonna come up. Yeah, and I was just like I was so That was that I'm not saying that that's the reason my shows not on anymore at all just before people like awareness self-awareness to say if I go out here and You know, I'm doing all the Letterman's and all these shows, and then I keep getting asked, so about Bill Cosby, so about Bill Cosby, so about Bill Cosby. That's how you get your Coon card real quick. So he's making that calculation. You can hear it in his voice that he didn't really say that, but he understands that this could clearly be perceived as a butter biscuit of, here, your show for taking Bill down.

1:56:18 Which I'm saying that I don't think that's the case. For one season and then it was gone. And for him to be on it, take him at his word, for him to be on his fourth production deal. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, maybe he did a lot of writing for people and he was funny like that. But on the other hand though is, I've never heard of this guy before. And now you're taking down... Well, he does have a resume. He does. I mean, just saying. You know, looking at it like, oh, okay. What I mean is on my consciousness, you know, my entertainment radar. I'm like, who is Hannibal Burg? So it seemed very opportunistic. That's the point I'm trying to highlight is this person I never heard of, and it's a lot of comedians that do a lot of work and a lot of writing behind the scenes that you never actually hear of. So I'm not saying he's not talented. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you put two and two together, it can look to be four, right?

1:57:13 Right, like, okay, you did the Cosby joke, you get a show. Wow, like, that looks fishy, which I'm not saying that's happened, but I'm just saying. This is how the ball got rolling, but now we get to why it actually could take hold. Bill did himself no favors after the Cosby show. In the old days, you couldn't hook his scoop because behind every drawn shade was an eye. And before your mother got off the bus into the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house. Parents don't know that today. I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was twelve?

1:56:18 Which I'm saying that I don't think that's the case. For one season and then it was gone. And for him to be on it, take him at his word, for him to be on his fourth production deal. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, maybe he did a lot of writing for people and he was funny like that. But on the other hand though is, I've never heard of this guy before. And now you're taking down... Well, he does have a resume. He does. I mean, just saying. You know, looking at it like, oh, okay. What I mean is on my consciousness, you know, my entertainment radar. I'm like, who is Hannibal Burg? So it seemed very opportunistic. That's the point I'm trying to highlight is this person I never heard of, and it's a lot of comedians that do a lot of work and a lot of writing behind the scenes that you never actually hear of. So I'm not saying he's not talented. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you put two and two together, it can look to be four, right?

1:57:13 Right, like, okay, you did the Cosby joke, you get a show. Wow, like, that looks fishy, which I'm not saying that's happened, but I'm just saying. This is how the ball got rolling, but now we get to why it actually could take hold. Bill did himself no favors after the Cosby show. In the old days, you couldn't hook his scoop because behind every drawn shade was an eye. And before your mother got off the bus into the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house. Parents don't know that today. I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was twelve?

1:58:16 Where were you when he was 18 and how come you don't know he had a pistol? These are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake. And then we all run out and we're outraged. Oh, the cops shouldn't have shot him. What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand? Alright, so I don't know the pound cake reference. That's... I don't know it either. Oh really? Obviously... Yeah, no, I don't know where he... I don't... This is the famous pound cake speech. This was the beginning of the end of Bill Cosby. When you start talking in terms of these people... Right. We gotta look at the timing of this was May 2004 when he gave this speech.

1:59:16 And then all of a sudden this case comes back up with the woman and it's civil case. You know what I'm saying? That's when the civil case first started. So it's like, I don't know what was going on with Bill, but when you start using, like I said, words of these people and making the appearance that people are robbing each other for Coca-Cola and shooting each other back in the head for a piece of cake. We've talked about this numerous times on this show about the drug epidemic and the crime bill and all these things that played into this. Yeah, it's like had Bill never seen the wire or something? That he just felt this was what it was? Well, Bill is true blue boule. It's like pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. I didn't ask anybody for any favors. Did it on my own, that kind of attitude. And what happens is he lost timing

2:00:09 With the quote-unquote community, which is a real thing Because once you lose that connectivity that tether and I'll give you example Oprah She was very anti hip-hop But Oprah was wise enough to read the tea leaves and say you know what I need to make good with hip-hop I need to go sit down with Jay-z in Brooklyn you're saying and make good with hip-hop because I I need it. She needs you. If you're against hip-hop, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a whole different climate. Then you ain't black. No, then you ain't black. Right. As Joe would say. And the funny thing is, Bill Cosby was very accepting of hip-hop, especially on his show. The early iteration of it, like the breakdance and that kind of thing, the episodes, it kind of played into that.

2:00:56 He even brought several rappers in on different world, which was another choice. He is. Oh, yeah, I'll be sure he was pro black excellence what they would say or Respectability and it's like this guy we got to get out of here. So that's the best the pound cake speech It's a second part if you want to listen to it. Oh, I do I do I do I do I do I do Brown versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We've got to take the neighborhood back. We've got to go in there and just

2:01:35 It's right around the corner. It's standing on the corner. It can't speak English. It doesn't want to speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk. Why you ain't where you is? Go out there. I don't know who these people are. And I blame the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. Everybody knows it's important to speak English, except these knuckleheads. You can't land a plane with why you ain't where on the other. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. Why can't you hit the streets?

2:02:24 Why can't you clean it out yourself? It's our time now, ladies and gentlemen. It is our time. And I have good news for you. It's not about money. It's about you doing something that ordinarily we do. Get in somebody else's business. It's time for you to not accept this language that these people are speaking, which will take them nowhere. What the hell good is Brown versus the Board of Education if nobody wants it? Do you know the setting of this speech? Who the audience was? This was at the 50th anniversary of the Brown versus Board of Education Supreme Court decision. Oh, bullet.

2:03:11 Very boule, very very boule. He even referred to a person as it. He said it. Yeah, okay. This is, wow, that makes, so not only, it proves that he was quite removed from life and for a long time. Language didn't just, did he just wake up and oh, they talk like this? I mean, this is... Well, like I said, he... You gotta look at it. From 1986 when Colby came on until he went off television.

2:03:53 That was a total change of black culture or the perception of black culture. And by the way, I also think he probably really means well. He's like, hey, come on people. What the hell's going on? This is about money. We need to shape our get our crop together. But that's really from a very, very, I'll just say privileged standpoint. I mean, have you really looked at what's going on, Bill? That's the thing. That's the thing, like he was very tone deaf, but some of the things he's saying is true. But at the same time, are you saying it to help people? Or are you making it us and them? And if you're making this us and them, the boule is a very small part of society in general. You know, the ruling class is always going to be smaller than the, you know,

2:04:48 general population, to use a prison term. So by the same token, while I hear people laughing, they're probably like, yeah Bill, you know, it's like that was really funny Bill, that was great, but let's not do too much of that because we don't really want people to actually better themselves. Of course not. We don't want them to get a clue. 2004, what happened in 2008? Obama. Instantaneously when Bill gets taken away, that creates a power vacuum in some kind of way. And then nothing but narrative. Obama became the American dad. Oh yeah, totally. With mom jeans.

2:05:33 Right, that's what I'm saying. He became the new American dad, right? Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. So that power vacuum was real. Like I said, Bill did himself no favors by how he treated, you heard Hannibal Buress, by how he spoke about him. And then we have another comedian, D.L. Hughley, gives an account of their interaction. You had a situation when Bill Cosby called in. Sure. Can you talk about that? Well I was, but then I got, so then I was doing Kiss FM here. Right after CNN I was doing Kiss FM. I was doing the Morning Show. Bill Cosby had called in to promote a gig I think he was having in Connecticut or Pennsylvania.

2:06:19 And I was like, Bill don't like me and I don't particularly care for him. So I'm not gonna, you know, I'll let you guys do the interviews for pre-tape. And so a girl named Jackie Reed and a cat named Steve Wilson, who were my co-hosts, started interviewing me. But he was such a dick. I find like for five minutes he was such a dick. I was like, Mr. Cosby, what is it you'd like for us to know? He said, who is this? He said I said this is deal he deal Hughley you say nigga, and I don't like your comedy And he went in and I was like with all due respect mr. Cosby I say nigga, but no co-ed has ever woke up drug with her jaws on backwards I'm sure he said that mm-hmm

2:07:01 Well, we'll never know, but it seems that on the comedic circuit, especially the black comedic circuit, this was common knowledge. That's why I said we can't absolve Bill of of anything because Hannibal Buress said it, D. Leo Hewley said it, very flippantly as well, the way he delivers it. It's well-known that women get sleepier around you. So, we can't... That's why I said I'm not absolving Bill of anything. The first segment of the show was just to show the miscarriage of justice that happened. And if it can happen to him, it can happen to anybody. The second part I'm gonna show is that

2:07:46 You don't piss on people on the way up. No. Because you might need those people, you know what I'm saying, to stand in your defense. And I'm going to say this, D.L. Hughley, I think him and Bill Cosby are fraternity brothers in Omega Psi Phi. I think. I'm going off memory here. D.L. Hughley is a show by himself because he was really big and then all of a sudden he's doing podcasts and he's wearing funky hats. And I'm not quite sure what that guy's deal is. Well, he's a political operative now. Okay, that explains it. Whenever they need him to push me and he's in one of those big markets and I always reference back to the Black Radio and in this clip he's talking about their interaction on the Black Radio. I think he's out in LA and one of the big

2:08:33 quote-unquote urban stations in LA. So you could tell he's a political operative because when it comes to black and brown relations and the fact that's in LA, which has a large black and brown listening, he's very tepid how he handles that topic. So he's very D. And the D in D.L. Hughley stands for Democrat, for sure, for sure. Got it, got it, got it. So let's just listen to him and his interaction with Cosby on part two. And we go back and forth and back and forth. I said, I respect, you could be my son, I said, but I'm not. And I said, everything you are, you are because of your experiences and I appreciate that, but you're not gonna denigrate what I've been through. And I said, no one has ever, out of all the words people have ever said to me, no one's ever said it right. No one's ever said it. We had this argument, right? And so I worked at the KG, the Hot 107, excuse me, Kiss FM, was owned by Image,

2:09:31 Bill Cosby, like that tape will never air, this is a true story. He said, give me it, that tape is not gonna air. And I said, the fuck it ain't. And 10 minutes later, all the people from Ellis came down, Emmett's Communications, took the tape, asked, made sure nobody had a copy of it, said if it ever airs, if this airs, nobody in here will work in radio again. So I know that that cat had the power to make people do shit like that. This was 2009, right? 2009. So this is way before Hannibal. But even before that, even if you read Time and Newsweek, in the very back of the paper, it talked about all these rape allegations. I grew up in L.A. and did warm-up for a lot of those shows. Everybody knew it.

2:10:16 Everybody knew it. Like Cliff Huxtable is innocent, but Bill Cosby fucked every one of them girls. But the dude, the character is innocent. The dude ain't. And I don't even think that cats like that thought it was necessarily a wrong thing to do. They just kind of thought it was what you did. You gave some people dope and they did this, they knew what the deal was. So I wasn't one of those cats who believed he was innocent just because he was funny. Huh, Emmett, interesting. I think he summarizes a lot of feelings that Cliff Huxtable, innocent. Bill Cosby, a lot of smoke. When there's a lot of smoke, there's gotta be some fire. But how do you separate the two?

2:11:04 How do you remove a large segment of your childhood? And I'm not talking about with the show, but we're talking about before with television and how it played into the family. 8 o'clock Thursday, you knew where you were going to be at. You're going to be in the living room, the dishes are going to be washed, everything, you're ready. for that show to come on. And it's like you live vicariously through that family. And they inspired a lot of people to go to college and even to show a different world. Just a little inside baseball on me. Dwayne Wayne was a huge inspiration for me to be smart and cool. It's like you never saw that on TV before. So I can see that, you know.

2:11:51 and funny. Okay, yeah, I can see that. So how do you take now? How do you remove? How do you carve out that out of your memory? This is why this was a struggle for a lot of people. It's like, but at the same time, it's like Bill 6070 women like it gotta be one or two. It could be interesting. It could be part of a binary two part kind of MK ultra thing. And I think so because it's hard to reconcile with this. Well, yeah, it confuses your brain to a huge degree. Hmm, interesting. Well, I mean, and what I'm saying is maybe there's a part two that can be used or it's a continuing program. Just taking that as a possibility. I'm not saying that that's what it is. Well, let's go ahead and listen to D.L.'s last clip and then we'll get into maybe some MK connections.

2:12:53 So what did you specifically hear? Did you ever have one of the girls approach you? Yes! Yes, it was always in his head. I'll never forget, I ain't gonna say this cat's name, but when they were doing either the... It was a show that came out of Different World. He was a cat who was a stage manager there and they had let him direct one of the shows. He had to direct one of those shows, but he was a stage manager and he was late. And that man made that one black Bill Cosby made that black man sit down there like he was a child on the floor, like a child.

2:13:36 I was like, this sick kid, what is this shit right here? Made him do that in front of me. So I've never had this kind of image that was kind of inundated with the idea that because he was a staggeringly talented cat that he was incapable of doing some of the shit people accuse him of. Well, I mean Bill Cosby's always seemed to have like sort of a beef with a lot of other black comedians. Bill Cosby tried to... This is what people don't understand. When people say that you wouldn't be if it wasn't for Bill Cosby, if Bill Cosby had owned NBC, if Bill Cosby, he sat on the board of Warner Brothers, Tyrone Warner, he tried to stop HBO from having

2:14:15 And he hated it so all the comics you know love and respect from the Chappelle's to the Martin's to the Duckers To the kid Def Jam to the Kings of Comedy he tried to stop from happening. That's just true I'm not trying to sell his character. That's absolutely true. Oh my god. I've forgotten all about that I remember when he was so big that he owned like all this stuff And he was a huge shareholder, and he had powered NBC. It was crazy. I This is good. Thanks for bringing this up. He tried to stop HBO, which would have stopped Def Jam. Def Comedy Jam, sure. Yeah, which was like the catapult for... Hip-hop! Hip-hop, comedy, no Martin. Martin was the heir apparent to him. I mean, like, all this is connected because I've mentioned this before, that 8 o'clock Thursday time slot

2:15:09 Something magical about that with black America. I don't know what it is because it was Cosby owned it first then he went away and then Martin fell into that time slot. That was a change of the guard. Let me just give you one an opposite side just for a second and you know I know that you're getting you're ramping up towards something here but what if what if Cosby saw it right And he saw the abuse that was coming down the pike with hip-hop and the records and, you know, let's just call it general trauma-based entertainment. What if he saw that coming down the pike and what he was trying to do was say, people, stop, you gotta stop this, this is crazy, we're gonna annihilate ourselves. And maybe that's what he was saying and the way it came out is Cosby wanted to stop Def Comedy Jam.

2:16:03 I'm not disagreeing with you because I think he saw it right too. But it was not the issue I had with how he handled it because it's seek first to understand then to be understood and this is the role of an elder. to say oh I remember when I was that age once and I was doing was that uptown Saturday night with uh with uh Sidney Poitier and me he has I mean I mean Bill wasn't the squeakiest clean person that's the thing is like it's the hypocrisy if you were like squeaky clean okay then you can No, have the more hot ground. But you watch him with Sammy and Hefner on Playboy at night, back in the early 70s or something, late 60s.

2:16:51 Yeah, those cats had it going on man. You could tell it was swinging. That was great. And that's the thing, it's like Bill, you've been where we were at. Yeah. And it's that seek first to understand then to be understood. That's where Bill's undoing was, that he didn't stay tied in with, you know what I'm saying, the younger comics. Being like, you know what, let me show you a trick so you don't have to use so many cuss words. Because that's the thing. Let me show you how timing, that kind of, it's the transfer of knowledge and you know, that stuff you can't pay for. But he was like, no, I'm going to have it my way. And these guys, my picks, they're perfect and pure. There are also choices you make as you get older. You know, where I turned 57 in a couple of days.

2:17:40 And I'm not, it's like now I'm on the other side, right? So now it's, I one day will be old and be meant to cleaned up and swept under the carpet. And so you can point at the next generation coming along, which I see as older millennials, 28, 29 and say, you're doing it wrong. Or, you know, like, well, here's a path and go develop and don't try to, be a micromanaged language which of course is where comedy a lot of where comedy is about. Can you get the door for just a second because I think we need to see we have to have a cover uh uh inside uh conversation on something. Not a problem okay all right just us now. All right all right just us.

2:18:26 You could have been the Bill Cosby to me by saying hey young man This is how podcasting is done, and if you can't stick to a certain day every week at a certain time You know you're gonna fail, and I'm gonna not do business with you that kind of thing right, but you were like hey the proof is in the pudding This is what you know this is this is what I'm saying like you could have took that I know everything cuz I'm the pod father kind of thing kind of tone were you like no I you know, you kind of let me feel my way through it and it made me earn the respect to you because like, okay, I'm talking to the pot father here. If he's saying we need to be on a schedule, you know what I'm saying? Like, who am I to, but it's the approach. So I just want to say that it's the approach. You know, if you, it's the way you come, especially when you're coming at younger people. I mean, you already got a chip on your shoulder. I mean, luckily we're, we're two mature men, you know, but these guys, twenties, best,

2:19:26 and you're coming in, oh that'll never work, you know I hate hip-hop, no turn down the music, that kind of thing so I just wanted to just have that conversation right quick. Okay, all right, got it, got it. Well and thank you, I'm glad that I'm glad that you see it that way and I think that yeah approaches everything no doubt about it but of course I also don't have a seat on the board at MDB NBC I'm not worth not billion dollars not I'm hanging on I'm hanging on but but since you brought up

2:20:06 Playboy. Yeah. We gotta look into this relationship with Playboy, Bill Cosby, and Hugh Hefner. So let's look at Hugh Hefner's bedroom antics. Guys, Holly Madison's juicy memoir, Down the Rabbit Hole, curious adventures and cautionary tales of a former Playboy bunny, reveals secrets from behind the closed gates of the Playboy mansion. Not surprisingly, the tell-all is stirring the pot with Hugh Hefner, but his former number one girlfriend is not done talking. Check out what Holly says Hef used to do to pit the girlfriends against each other. It's our Toyota People Pick of the Day. There's so many interesting things revealed. Some of those things were Hef's kind of rules, the things he liked, didn't like. So you've revealed some very explicit details here about your first sexual encounter with Hugh Hefner. You were offered quaaludes, you said no, you ended up drinking a lot to kind of make it through.

2:20:57 the night, he wanted you to put on a show of sorts as well as the other girls. What's the bottom line here? Do any of the girlfriends really love Hef and the kinds of rituals or these games or requirements that are put on all of them in the bedroom? When I first moved in there were six other girls and it just seemed like everybody wanted to get all that kind of thing over with very quickly. Didn't really seem into it. How much about your past are you going to let your daughter? Know about or do you know do you want to read this book eventually you had to be thinking about that as you were revealing some of these things But she's gonna see this and know this yeah one day when rainbows old enough She'll definitely you know be able to read the book, and I'm very proud of the book And you know even though there's some uncomfortable things for me in there It's something I'm proud of sharing my story, and I hope that other people can learn from it

2:21:48 learn from it mm-hmm so we see quite a lot yeah interesting but it's amazing Hugh Hefner American icon No take down. Yeah, no take down. 16, 17, 18, well, excuse me. Allegedly, 17, 18 year old girls coming in and out of the mansion. Like I said, it was America's whorehouse. For good or bad, it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? We have to call it what it is. We have these allegations coming out of these rituals that she called it. And, oh, he was fine. We love you. Isn't that amazing?

2:22:27 So now we're going to go over to, is there anything you want to say on that? No, no, I'm digging it. Dude, you brought the Quaaludes clip from Hefner. I mean, that was impressive. A good one. All right, so let's get deeper into Bill Cosby and Hugh Hefner. This is Mark Ebner, who is a Hollywood reporter and sleuth. So we got to be serious. This is the Lip TV. Honestly, I want to get a few more points out because it's really important You know along the line of the quaaludes and that sort of thing people have been asking you know There's no proof. He raped anybody show us the prescription pills Show us the you know the blood evidence show us this and show us that about believing these women for starters but beyond that if you want to trace a

2:23:18 the if you want to follow the trail of drugs Bill Cosby I think you need look no further than the Playboy pension and Hugh Hefner I think has been quoted as saying as calling quaaludes. What was it thigh openers? Yeah I also would look even closer into the mansion and look at His personal physician mark Sagan are is that guy dead yet, by the way? I don't think so, but I'm not sure probably should be but regardless this guy

2:23:57 you know, put that together, that he not only had his personal physician on call, quite possibly for date rape drugs whenever he wanted them, and I'm talking about Hefner, and I'm talking about Cosby, and I'm talking about any other of these hanger-ons at the Playboy Mansion, you know, it's starting to make sense that you would probably look no further than Mark Saganor's prescription pad. Oh my, how about that? And then the name Mark Saganar pops up, a National Enquirer story, which as we know from Men in Black is real. And there it is, exposed Bill Cosby's cronies who enabled his twisted crimes. Even his former TV co-star Jimmy J. J. Walker is now calling Bill Cosby the OJ Simpson of the comedy world.

2:24:55 And that was the pile-on. Like you had co-stars on the show. Everybody just started piling on. Probably rightfully so, but like I said with this much smoke, it has to be some fire there. And just as I would mention Martin Lawrence before, it's a very interesting person that accused Bill Cosby of this crime that got no press. uh, Lark Voorhees. Are you familiar with Lark Voorhees? Lisa Turtle from Saved by the Bell.

2:25:30 No, no, I don't know anything. She had a complete meltdown in front of everybody. She was the black girl on Saved by the Bell, which was another one of my childhood shows. And when I go back and look at her and what happened to her, she clearly suffers from some kind of multiple personality kind of thing going on, which could easily be DID. But she had always throwing up the 360s hand sign and the all-illuminati hand signs in the Saved by the Bell ads. Oh wow. So it's like wow, but nobody gave her the time of day to speak about it because they wanted to be white women being attacked by Bill Cosby. Schizoaffective disorder. Yes. I had a whole set of clips to go down the rabbit hole, maybe another time for another day, but I was fascinated that she didn't get any press, but her meltdown was covered in the media, but they never connected her to Cosby. And I just found that interesting.

2:26:25 Glaring no miss. Omission. Omission, excuse me. Yeah, so you want to hear more from Mark Edmunds? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is good. Let's go. Then I would look even deeper and I've been saying this for a long time. I can't wait for a journalist more savvy than I am to start looking into the death of the playmate Paige Young who died of an accidental overdose of Yeah, barbiturates. It's something's, something doesn't smell right and it's coming out of the Playboy mansion. Okay, but here's the thing. First of all, there was like some references to Hefner and what had happened there and Bill Cosby and then Hefner somehow deftly steered the publicity away from there, away from the mansion. But secondly, just because

2:27:17 because people were taking quail eggs in the seventies at the playboy mansion isn't that i certainly was that i was taking quail eggs in the seventies so all i have no doubt these quote-unquote by openers uh... were probably at one time bill costas on knockout drug of choice but it's interesting theory but i mean you know that the idea that automatically and and in court a lot you can associate the fact that he purchased great lives with the fact that these women were given them involuntarily. I mean, I think that's the missing link from the reports that we're seeing on Cosby and the idea that he said in a deposition that he used them and he used them with women to have sex isn't the same as an admission that he gave them to them without their consent. Oh yeah, the Paige Young thing. I remember looking at this. I mean, she overdosed and I think she shot herself in the head.

2:28:17 Yeah, well on an American flag with a pentagram, you know all kinds of weird stuff and like Hugh Hefner is the devil. That was that was her her parting shot. I think. Well, maybe she's onto something there. Um, but uh... No, but why? How is it that Hugh Hefner is able to steer the attention away from him? It's like don't look over here. Oh, well that's easy. Hugh Hefner has the goods on a lot of powerful people. You want to screw with- He might be the Epstein of his time. Yes, exactly. You want to screw with Hef? No, that was not a good idea. Well, there's something deeper there with Hef, but we're going to get to it. So we got Hefner, we got Quaaludes, aka thought openers being passed around like candy. But my question is this, who the hell is still making Quaaludes? I don't know if they are. Are they still being made? They have to be. He's getting them prescribed to him.

2:29:15 They're probably under a... they're probably out of patent, so... In a time where we can't get hydroxychloroquine and other... and horse paste, you know what I'm saying? But Bill Cosby can get some daggone vintage... what was it, 74 Quaaludes? Oh, that was the year. Let me get some of those. What? I have never had a quaalude, so I really wouldn't know. Well, there's an interesting article here I'll put in the show notes from the BBC titled The Rise and Fall of Quaaludes, which is actually a trade name. It's methoqualone is the actual drug first synthesized in 1951 in India.

2:30:10 Germany and Japan were the first big markets where the drug racked up an extensive record of addiction and abuse. In the UK it was known as Mandrax, a name still used in South Africa. Doctors were essentially giving them out like candy, says Justin Gass, author of the book about the drug. It was very easy to obtain Quaaludes in the mid to late 70s and early 80s. And one of pop culture's most famous quotes, another Quaalude, you'll love me in the morning. What was Scarface really saying? Right. Hmm. Just things to make you say hmm, you know, what, what, and nobody knows it. Oh, oh, I know. So then it became rof-rufenol. Oh. Roofies. Roofies, yeah. Which is another problematic drug. Who's making this stuff? Like a

2:31:02 With Michael Jackson, we know the doctor who gave it to him. Bill Cosby, nobody except this guy Ebner even mentions the name of the doctor. Okay, now we have the doctor who's still manufacturing these thought openers. It's a clear, I mean, like I said, in the scope of how we see medical and pharmaceuticals now, how they can deem something as bad. Well, no, it's only bad when they can't make a lot of money on it because they don't have the patent. You see? Right. I was saying like Bill Cosby wasn't the only one getting like they wasn't whipping up a special batch for him. Maybe they was. Maybe he had that much money. Like, hey, I need you to fire the machines. It's going to be a busy weekend. But just to show you Bill Cosby's connection with

2:31:55 black celebrity and then his connection with the Playboy Mansion. We have John Sally here of the Bad Boy fame, not Bad Boy the movie, but Bad Boy, well he wasn't Bad Boy the movie too, but Bad Boy's Detroit Pistons and the Chicago Bulls famous basketball player. He's gonna give his take on Bill Cosby and the Playboy Mansion. So you asked me about Bill Cosby, let me just say this one thing about Bill Cosby. I don't know, I miss Doc. Um... and he taught me a lot of things. He always had wise things to say. You guys knew each other? Yeah, man. Really? I became really cool with him in 1989. We're both in the same fraternity, Omega Psi Phi Incorporated. Okay. And every year I would see him. I'd go to the Playboy Jazz Festival. I'd sit there. He'd give me jewels and he would talk about things, talk about things. He also was isolated and put into a point. And I also know the time they were saying all that was going on,

2:32:56 And people wanted to look at his wife He got kicked out of his house for like two years when he was hosting the tonight show for Johnny Carson Johnny was going through his depression and Bill Cosby was hosting the tonight show and living at the Playboy mansion Yeah, so his wife kicked him out. Yeah, okay Like this is the trip when they hit you up with all of this that we see now it has to move fast and no one does research and and they they crucified him and they used the they used wait I'm not knowing if he's right or wrong I'm just telling you according to what Time magazine or Newsweek magazine had all the women's heads and sitting there people were yelling out there was a ton of things happening saying this dude was at this point and he was guilty and it was at it was going down and down and down

2:33:49 Wow. Living at the Playboy Mansion. Oh hell yeah. Well Johnny Carson was married 20 times. I'm just saying that that doesn't job well with the image of Bill Cosby. No. And this is all news to me. I didn't know he was that connected to Bill Cosby until I start, I mean, to the Playboy mansion and Hugh Hefner until I start doing the show, research for the show. And this was not the original path. Did you watch any of the actual YouTube videos of the Playboy After Dark with Cosby? Well, I didn't watch that, but I do have an ad for the Playboy Jazz Fest in 2011. Let me set this up right quick. So,

2:34:29 Bill, I mean, Hef is sitting with one of his beauties and Bill is looking like, you know, he's older now. And he's like, well, let's listen to the clip. So we have Q, a beautiful woman and Bill. and listen to the transaction or the conversation they have. This festival of the Playboy Jazz Festival, June 11th and 12th, your words, what do you know it will be? It'll be a grand party, the party of the year, an unforgettable weekend and a long history of jazz.

2:35:13 Thank you. My pleasure, Bill. All right. Take care. Love you. Thank you. I love you. Take care. I wish you had a present for me. Well, I do. You're going to be really surprised. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you. All right. Party, party, party, party. Have told me I was with you. Get it? Now what were we seeing there? So basically that was the present. Yes, so the present was he was asking for a girl. Yeah. He's like, oh, I wish you brought me a present. Helps I have something for you. And then granny comes in, an old lady. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just going to show like how they talk about women. It's like, oh, you got a present for me. Oh, yeah, that kind of thing. So this is 2011. Wait, wait, wait. This, no.

2:36:19 2011 Jazz Fest. Really? This is from YouTube, yes. Are you sure about that? The blurb on the show says, Burel Cosby, Hugh Hefner and Playboy mate, Crystal McCall. Oh, okay. McCay Hill talk about the 2011 Playboy Jazz Fest Festival. Granny joins in on the fun, the party of the summer. The Bachelor guy just got canceled for less. You know, the new, I'm sorry, The Bachelor, the Jeopardy host, the executive producer who was going to start hosting it. And they went back and found some podcast from 2010. Exactly. And we have Hugh Hefner and Bill Collins talking about presents in 2011. This is five, six years. Crazy. Ain't that convenient? Yeah. But it's still on YouTube.

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2:46:44 Sex always will be an important part of the book because sex is probably the single thing that men are most interested in. All of this I think that you'll agree, it's a sniggering kind of sex, it's a lascivious kind of sex, it certainly isn't a healthy approach to sex. You suggest that it is. I would not only suggest that, I would say rather strongly we consider it a pretty healthy act. Well, by the 1970s, Playboy had more than 7 million readers. Wow. And Hefner was certainly a household name. He built an empire on the simple idea that sex is important to people. With us from Los Angeles, Matt, is Matt Bellany. He's editorial director of The Hollywood Reporter. Good morning to you, Matt.

2:47:24 Good morning. Well, he certainly changed the magazine culture. He changed the American sex culture, if you will. But that came with some controversy. Back in the day, there were a lot of protests about how women were portrayed in the magazine. What do the critics say today about the legacy that he's left? I think it's a very complicated legacy because on the one hand, Playboy was criticized. It was the first major mainstream magazine to feature nude women and it was in the context of politics and lifestyle and all these other things but it was essentially a naked women magazine and people like Gloria Steinem at the time, very opposed, said Playboy could fill a book with what it doesn't know about women.

2:48:05 Gloria Steinem, one of our friends from many many many episodes of MoFax. Yes, and Gloria Steinem was backed by the CIA to be placed into Seventeen magazine. She reported to the CIA. I mean she was CIA. Right, so if that case, who's to say that Hugh Hefner wasn't CIA because he did make his debut as the commentator said on CBS. What do you call CBS? The Central Intelligence Broadcasting System. And guess who Hugh Hefner's cousin is? George Bush.

2:48:48 You're kidding me. I kid you not there's a article you can put it in the show notes of CBS Hefner odd cousin yes, so now we have these two people popping up with magazines around about the same time Exploring sexuality women's sexuality and I just find it fascinating that um We have Gloria Stoddam commenting on Hugh Hefner and Hugh Hefner is remembered as a complicated legacy. Now he's been known to have spread around his own share of thigh openers. No big deal. It's just Hugh being Hugh. You understand? Now you understand. Like when you look at his thigh. Right, right. But again, but again,

2:49:39 If he was indeed a kind of Epstein and he had the goods on everybody, he had big protection. So, you know, and you're really convincing me that Heffner may have had that kind of role. So yes, yes, I agree. I agree what you're saying. Yes, but I'm not saying that on the surface level. Yeah, yeah. On the surface level. Yeah. Yeah. If you hear the news stories and you hear, well, bills, Locked down, you know what I'm saying? Doing a 3 to 10 up the river. And he was just, and his smoking jacket, you know what I'm saying, flanked by three beautiful blondes. That's right. How does that work out? Well, pretty good. Pretty good for the white guy. It sounds like it did.

2:50:18 Let's continue on with Hugh Hefner's complicated legacy. But on the other hand, it was filled with progressive politics. And it was one of the few magazines that they interviewed MLK and they interviewed Muhammad Ali. And they did a lot of articles that were very progressive in the politics. They were pro-choice at a time when not many outlets were openly so. And they were very pro-First Amendment. And these causes that the culture sort of caught up to, but Playboy was doing it at a time in the 50s, 60s, 70s when it wasn't that accepted from big national magazines like that.

2:50:55 When I was growing up, there were two magazines you collected. One was Playboy and the other was National Geographic. Two very different areas. Matt, what happens going forward? We know that his son Cooper is going to be taking over the magazine. Circulation has dropped significantly, as have many industry magazines as well. How does the magazine and the brand go forward in a digital age? It's a tough road. Recently, Cooper Hefner, his son, has assumed control of the brand. But the magazine, they have gone through a rocky tenure with multiple editors. They got rid of nude pictures, then they brought them back.

2:51:31 They have a very lucrative licensing business where the Playboy brand is very meaningful around the world. But in the US, they really have struggled and the culture has sort of gone beyond Playboy. They have to figure out a way to make the Playboy brand relevant in today's media and cultural environment. Of course everyone will remember that iconic Playboy bunny that they founded, right? Matt, thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, yes two things one. I think that's Charlie Rose who was talking in the beginning. Oh Charlie loves him so he would. Right so you know Charlie he got his own takedown.

2:52:11 The only, you know, and with white men it's always like he's a sad, pathetic old man holding his robe open in front of young girls. So, you know, his own separate type of takedown. But what I thought interesting was he said something there that I'd like to know your perspective on. He said, when I was a kid we saved two kind of magazines, Playboy magazine and National Geographic, to which all the female hosts on the show go, ha ha, That's a very different kind, but I know what I know what Charlie meant, and I'm curious if how this was for you We like National Geographic for a short time. I'm talking yeah, we're like 12

2:52:49 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know why. Because you could see boobies. There were boobs in that thing, baby. That's why. And they were all black boobs too, which, and, but that never mattered to us. Black and brown boobs. Right. There were no white boobs in the magazine, but we, we were just as interested in the boobs, no matter what the color they were. Just, just saying. And not discussed a fact of American male pubescence. You gave me insight on that because I was wondering, who in Kleck's National Geographic? I thought he was going to say like Mad Magazine or something like that. But when you say the boobie part, I do agree. That was the first thing you tried to find when you went to the doctor's office. Exactly. Exactly. But notice that it was exciting for the white boys as well as the black and brown boys. No matter, and even though all the boobs were of color.

2:53:45 And let's take it all black and white for a minute. Let's just go Hugh Hefner versus Larry Flint, I believe his name is, the hustler. Larry had a very hard time with the government for trying to do a similar thing. Much worse than Hugh Hefner. So why? I mean it's kind of like the Plansky thing. It's like why certain people have a hard time and then other people get a pass. But let's just not go there. I just wanted to bring that up as a passing comment. But now we got to go look at the the rabbit. So we're going over to the art of awakening the realist where we get to This is the real power of playboy is this branding? I'm sure I'm sure Okay, the rabbit totem spirit. Hey there. This is Christy with spirit animal Oracle and today I'd like to talk a little bit about the spirit meaning of rabbit and

2:54:41 It is a powerful spirit animal and it has an abundance of meanings. And speaking of abundance, abundance is actually one of rabbits biggest magic powers, I guess you could say. You know, if you've ever been out in the country in the springtime, you've seen the baby rabbits kind of popping like popcorn right out of the hedges. They just like, they know how to reproduce and they're legendary for it. And this is a really, actually there was a scientific study done

2:55:17 by somebody at Miami University and they estimated, they just kind of did the math on rabbits and their estimate was that at average rates of reproduction if there was no disease or predation or anything a single mother rabbit and her female babies could produce over 187 billion offspring in seven years. Rabbits, well there's a reason they multiply so fast because they're prey. A lot of things depend on rabbits and because they are prey that really brings up some of the other spiritual associations that rabbits has. Sensitivity is one.

2:55:59 Then we're going to look at fear and fear is a huge one for rabbits. So if you're a rabbit person, you're probably going to be challenged by fear. You're going to have a lot of fears, stuff coming up, fears to overcome and so forth. Oh wow. I never even thought about the rabbit's place in the world, but he's basically lunch. Food! Yes, that's his entire job. Look pretty, cute, be innocent, and be food. Sounds like a playboy buddy to me. But if you look at it and say, okay, rabbit, white rabbit,

2:56:35 goes to Alice in Wonderland. Mm-hmm. Going down, you know, going down in the rabbit hole. Mm-hmm. So are you familiar with Grace Slick? I know Grace Slick. I've met her. I've hung out with her and her daughter, Chyna. Okay, so are you aware of their song, The White Rabbit? Yes, of course. Yes. Let's listen to Grace Slick's breakdown of White Rabbit. We were talking about something that was going on at the time and we liked it. We had a good time. But we were not saying, why don't you guys all go out and take drugs? The only song that talked about drugs as far as Jefferson Starship Airplane was mine. It was called White Rabbit. And all it was doing was letting my parents and everybody's parents know that they had been reading us books.

2:57:29 written by British authors. The British had control over the Far East, Middle East, and they had found new drugs, which the writers took and then wrote about. Alice in Wonderland is sitting on a psychedelic mushroom. There is a worm that is going to turn into a butterfly who hands her a piece of this mushroom, and she gets literally high. she grows and so the parents were down on us for taking drugs so I was just saying look you've been reading us drug books for him. Peter Pan sprinkled some white dust all over everybody so all of these the British writers mainly because this stuff hadn't come to America yet or we didn't care or something were out talking about how your life will be better if you take a chemical.

2:58:18 Like Quaaludes. So in the White Rabbit lyrics, I'm just gonna read a couple of lyrics to you. It says, and if you go chasing rabbits and you know you're going to fall. That's one lyric of it. And then she goes down and says, when logic and proportion have fallen dead and the white knight is talking backwards and the red queen off with her head. Red Queen. That may be a stretch, but what it says is, I believe Playboy and all these things were set up to get rid of logic, proportion, math is racist. Once you get rid of

2:58:59 all of these things and get people in a emotional state like they're doing now, like she was saying, use drugs, get kids hooked on drugs. We have a drug epidemic going on right now that nobody's talking about with fentanyl. I mean, maybe even Rival's crack and, you know, the heroin of the 70s. I think these kind of things, Gloria Steinem, Seventeen Magazine, feminism, they were... I think people underestimate magazines, first of all. Magazines, and you can speak more to this, but I know I was at the very end of magazines, but like the life of magazines, that's something that you look forward to every month to come out, you know, so you can read it and keep up. It was like faster than a book. Well, it was the same as the Cosby show before streaming and, you know, and, uh, and the nonlinear programming. So you would have to watch on Thursday.

2:59:57 Everybody knew where you were. Everybody knew when the new National Geographic was coming out. Everybody knew when the Playboy would hit the stands, of course. It's a share of consciousness, right? Yes, it was. Oh yeah. So, going back to the totem spirit meaning of the rabbit, she said one rabbit and their offspring could create a billion rabbits, right? So one rabbit, Marilyn Monroe, could create billions of Marilyn Monroe wannabes. One Megan Thee Stallion could create millions of wannabe Megan Thee Stallions. They understand, they said, let's use women to push these political ideologies. And on the inverse side of that, we'll have a Gloria Steinem pushing another toxic form of feminism or femininity, let me say that better word, and they got both sides covered. You know who runs Playboy now, don't you? I don't. Oh, Christy Ann Hefner.

3:00:58 Oh, Hef's daughter. Oh yeah, and she's woke. I thought she was gay. I guess I'm wrong about that. She's divorced. Yeah, and she made a lot of changes that people didn't like. I'm just saying that was the one place that guys could go to be gods. I mean that would the Playboy Mansion was still that um I don't think it has the hey like of now um because like you said with social media there's really no need for a Playboy Mansion Instagram is the Playboy Mansion now I mean you could procure oh yeah oh yeah no it's over totally it's totally over totally but it had its it had its purpose of bringing in um

3:01:46 bringing in a new thought about sexuality. And a case in point of that is Hugh Hefner's relationship with Alfred Kinsey. One of the virgins in college that read Kinsey and believed him was a guy named Hugh Hefner. Okay, yeah. So he's in college. So Hefner was an advocate for Kinsey. Well, he reads Kinsey and he says, hey, everybody's been lying to me. They've all been diddling around doing all this stuff and I have been standing here being a nice guy. Forget it. He says, I will be, and I'm quoting him, Kinsey's pamphleteer. I will be Kinsey's pamphleteer. Really?

3:02:28 So from there he began to advocate for changes in the law and he created a magazine called Playboy, which then he said would reflect what Kinsey had found. about human sexuality. In his fraudulent data. America was educated by a pedophile whose work was labeled as science. Just as Darwin was the father of legitimizing evolution, Kinsey was the father of legitimizing the sexual revolution and all that's based upon that today. Sure enough, Hefner was true to his word. Not a little

3:03:11 Not only did he popularize pornography on a global scale, he also helped to legalize it. Yeah, the Kinsey report, of course. Yes. So this is Judith Reisman, and she's been on Kinsey's tail for a long, a very long time now. She's cropped up due to the, issue with pornography and porn addiction and that was from a Kingsworth studio documentary that I pulled that clip from. But as I started going back and looking at her, she's been doing this since 1990. even before on Kenzie so I mean before we get into Kenzie and her take on him anything you want to say about him or about Kenzie oh yeah well his report was was groundbreaking when the first Kenzie report came out about sexuality and there's even a TV series Masters of Sex I think that

3:04:07 that is partially, if not all about Kinsey. But what was controversial, one of the many controversial things was the Kinsey scale. And this was, I think it was, let me look here. Yeah, zero to six, where zero was you were completely straight and six you were homosexual. It's like, you can't really imagine having that scale today in today's woke world, but... Or could you? See, that's why I love doing the show with you because I think it's apropos now. Because it's not binary. No, three on the scale is binary, I guess. Right, so there's grades of gender and sexuality that's gradient across the spectrum. Whereas it used to be gay, straight, or bisexual, right? I mean, that was the... Right. Oh yeah. Well, even bisexual took a while for that one to come in.

3:05:03 Right, I'm just saying that fits even more fitting now than even the time it came out. Well anyway, there was a lot of controversy about the report. Also, I believe he participated in the study. So there's a lot of issues with it. But could this have been important in this context for how sexuality was really introduced into the public lexicon? You bet. You bet. So, let's go. I have Judy Riesman. Excuse me, Dr., let me put some respect to her name, Dr. Judith Riesman. This is 1990, December 5th. She's on the Phil Donahue Show. In a nutshell, it's fundamentally all the information on children is based on...

3:05:50 sexual abuse of 317 infants and children from two months of age to 14 years of age and the majority of them in fact under 10 years old. Yeah, but you can't prove that Dr. Reisman and those who preside at the sex at the Kinsey Institute today are appalled at the Some might say libelous charges that you make not only about the work done by the late Dr. Kinsey, but also by some Who follow him? We should also tell you that Indiana University, a very proud conservative institution of higher learning in America, stands by this institute and most of the people who survive today, who work with Dr. Kinsey, identify him as an honorable man who abused nobody, touched nobody,

3:06:36 And not surprisingly, it was a subject of controversy on occasion of the publication of his book about men in 1948 and women in 1953. You can't prove that he abused children. I think that the book establishes that there was abuse that took place without any question. He admitted that, excuse me, he admitted that in the book. fact it wasn't true. What did he say that admitted that? Oh boy do I, he said he described nine technically trained men, he called them technically trained men who he said were sexually stimu, he said they were, they had had sexual relationships with young boys and that they were the source of all of his data.

3:07:16 Huh, okay. I don't remember that in the TV series right and you hear how Phil Donahue is running a protection against for Kinsey and It sounds very similar to how whoopie Goldberg was running interference for Roman Polanski and yet it's you can't prove that you know, that's kind of it's even I mean not Not for one way or the other. I mean, we take Wikipedia for what it is, but it's right there and Wikipedia says it right there about the children.

3:07:52 There it is. I mean Wikipedia, you know, they like to take stuff off stuff like this So I'm just saying that it is there. Yeah, he was researching children and short children Observing orgasms in over 300 children aged from two months up to 15 years old So, how do you I don't even think about it, but I'm just saying now you understand like even in 1990 On a this just for people that went around Phil Donahue was mainstream daytime television. This is not some obscure clip. This was on mainstream television in the daytime. And he's clearly running interference for Kenzie and the University of Indiana, which he calls a conservative university. So it's not across a spectrum of liberal or conservative either.

3:08:48 You want to get into the second clip? Yeah, sure. He described screaming and fainting and convulsions. He described children who were striking what he called the partner. That was the man who was abusing the children. And then he drew from that conclusion himself. He did. He drew from that conclusion himself that the children enjoyed the experience. That's blaming the victim. You know what that is. This audience, you are entitled to have me identify my own bias here right at the beginning. Okay. I admire what the Kinsey Institute does. I know. I am personally familiar with its director and have worked with her and she has made a very important contribution to a series that I was proud to have my name on in 1986.

3:09:33 And not a few people who support Kinsey, the Kinsey Institute, have questioned your credentials. Of course they do. I would if I was... You, Huster Eastman, Phil, happens to be the most repudiated PhD in America. Talk about credentials! Phil, sure her work has been rejected by the Justice Department that ate their $800,000 grant. You're supporting Mies now. This is a spokesman for Mies now. Please Judith, the American University also rejected her study. The Mies Commission refused to cite it. I don't think you've ever been published have you in a scientific journal? Never.

3:10:09 Name it. Oh, never. Name it. How about ethology and sociobiology? Is that scientific enough for you? But did you not spend most, a good deal of time writing music for Captain Kangaroo? Oh my God! Wow. They brought her on to take her down. Exactly. And yet all of that that she's saying is reported here with sources in the... In his book! That's why it's in sources, yeah, because he wrote about it exactly in his book. And yet they're like, taking him down, like, you're not a PhD, you're not even being published, don't you write in Captain Kangaroo music? Doesn't it sound very similar to what we're hearing now? You're not a real doctor!

3:10:54 Yeah, raise your credentials. But you see, when the power structure wants to protect somebody, it goes all in. So now when you look at the other side and people want to say, well, we need to protect Bill Cosby because the net of it is he was good for black people. Why don't why I'm not saying let me be very clear I am NOT saying that but when you see this and hear this protection of Hugh Hefner of Kenzie of whoever Roman Polanski we've heard case by case by case by case of protecting these men but America's dad gotta go. Yeah

3:11:48 It doesn't make a lot of sense. Either all bad or all good. He did something. He didn't do something right. Not in the club, I don't know. That's really odd. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. And that's from 1990. So let's go ahead and get up to speed with the almanac. I think this is CBS Morning on Alfred Kinsey. And now a page from our Sunday morning almanac. June 23, 1894, 125 years ago today. The day sex researcher Alfred Charles Kinsey was born in Hoboken, New Jersey.

3:12:35 A trained biologist, Kinsey achieved fame, even notoriety, in the 1940s and 50s with a pair of best-selling books about male and female sexual behavior. Controversial research he defended on scientific grounds. I discovered that there was practically nothing known about human sexual behavior in comparison with what we knew about the sexual behaviors of other animals. Kinsey based his eye-opening findings on thousands of personal interviews, training his researchers to first put their subjects at ease, as portrayed in the 2004 film, Kinsey, starring Liam Neeson. If you ease in with innocuous questions, people forget they're giving sex histories.

3:13:27 Many of Kinsey's findings and techniques remain controversial, including his occasional reliance on the accounts of admitted child abusers. Still, he's widely hailed as a trailblazer in a previously taboo field. Alfred Kinsey died in 1956 at the age of 62. Today, the research he pioneered continues at the Kinsey Institute at Indiana University in Bloomington. We should go take a little look-see over there. Research is coming along, Indiana. There you have it. That's the show on Bill Cosby and his counterparts. My final thoughts on this whole situation, I think they were all into some kinky, even criminal sexual behavior.

3:14:24 But it was allowed and as we've seen here for some people is still their their pass is not allowed to be brought up. But for Bill's case, he was a very useful. Patsy or sacrificial lamb to be taken down for me to to show that we got one of the big ones. So even still he was allowed to get out so. That's the Boule phone, Moe. It's like, they'd like us to stop now? They think we've taken this far enough. I think they have. That might be the big phone. That might be the white phone. Oh, OK. It's that one. That's how it is, huh? All right.

3:15:06 No, what I mean is like when you start touching on Kenzie and Hugh Hefner, that's a whole different phone that rings. Mo, thank you so much, man. That was great. That was really, really enjoyable. So much fun. I'm glad you enjoyed it, Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we thank y'all for being here and we'll be here in 14 days. Make sure you tune in, Mo Facts with Adam Curry. It's strange how sometimes, you know, you be getting a hint and you don't really want to look at it. You know, it's like the hint

3:15:52 was a lot of look at me right in the face. I should have known something's wrong. Like when I get up in the morning to kiss you, you just kind of give a throwaway kiss. Like when I said I was today, You just kinda say, fine, and go ahead. I shoulda known when you'd be off on the telephone in the corner, kinda whispering so I don't hear. I shoulda known when you'd hold my hand and it just didn't mean nothing.

3:16:49 It's strange how when you get the hint, you don't take the hint. It's strange how when you see the sign, you don't read it for what it says. I should have known when he was on the telephone I should've known when I said, how's everything going? How you just say nothing. I should've known.

3:17:53 When you look at me and your eyes don't stay