26: Butter Biscuits

00:00 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for February 18th, 2020. This is episode number 26. Uh-uh. Hey, Mo. How you doing, Adam? I'm doing good. How are you? I am doing well, sir. Ah, it is... Oh, before I forget, my wife, Tina the Keeper, she said, oh, what are you guys doing today? Can you just ask one question for me? All right. She wants to know, with all the money he spent and all the media exposure, has Michael Bloomberg changed anywhere in the ADOS community's opinion?

00:51 Only in the politician that can be bought. So he's moved up you mean on that scale? He's moved up. That's the bump. He has a bump. He's got the bot bump. Yeah, exactly. Everything good, man? Everything good where you are? Man, everything is well. How about yourself, sir? Yeah, fantastic. And I am ready to... Well, I already know that this is a special show and I'll mention this part right up front. We run on the value for value model, which means you listen to the show we do. Did it give you, bring you any value? If it did, just turn that into a number and send that to us.

01:31 Mo facts calm or directed to the donation page at mo fund me calm mo e fund me calm and We've been doing this now. This is the 26th episode and We looked at the PayPal and the and I think we have cash app as well Yes, so we have a cash app. Yeah, which apparently people like a lot. I had no idea how much people like the cash app. Oh And we were surprised like there's a lot of people who've supported the show over the past six months and so we want to start thanking those on a regular basis because as producers you deserve the thanks for that but also a number of you deserve a special credit as a producer or as we like to say an executive producer or associate executive producer and we'll explain all that later but first we have to spin the the clip of topics here see what we're gonna do what will it be

02:23 Oh, I feel lucky tonight! It is landing on... Pizza potluck. Potluck, potluck. Potluck! Should I know that song? Where'd that come from? I like it.

03:00 It's the potluck song. I don't know the potluck song. It's Steven Universe. Not familiar with the show, but I love the song and it works for this show title. Excellent. Well, this is indeed the potluck show. So instead of one overarching theme, we're going to take you through, I think we have four different things to talk about today. Yes. So we're talking about four different topics today. The potluck show is pretty much just to explain to the people is we're going to clean up small topics that happen over time that we didn't make a full show worth of material, but we want to talk about it. So we'll do these periodically. And so we can, you know,

03:44 kick it around and see what we think about it. All right. All right, topic number one. I got sound effects for you. All right. So if for the hip hop fans out there, you probably noticed that The song, intro song was Snoop Dogg lay low and Snoop Dogg is actually laying low now. Yeah, after we talked about him all of a sudden he was real quiet. I'm sure that we set him straight. Well not too quiet because he had to come out and make an official public apology.

04:22 25 past the hour, joining us now, the host of MSNBC's Politics Nation and president of the National Action Network, Reverend Al Sharpton. Great to have you with us. Rapper Snoop Dogg is offering an apology to journalist Gayle King following backlash over his comments appearing to, well, he did threaten the CBS This Morning anchor for asking questions about the late Kobe Bryant's 2003 rape case in an interview with WNBA star Lisa Leslie. When you're wrong, you gotta fix it. So with that being said, Gail King. I probably tore you down by coming at you in a derogatory manner based off of emotions, me being angry, and questions that you asked. Overreacted? I should have handled it way different than that. I was raised way better than that. So I would like to apologize to you publicly for the language that I used and calling you out on your name and just being disrespectful.

05:26 I didn't mean for it to be like that. I was just expressing myself for a friend that wasn't here to defend himself. A lot of people look up to me and they love me and they appreciate me, so I want to let them know that. Anytime you mess up, it's okay to fix it. It's okay to man up and say that you're wrong. I apologize. Hopefully we can sit down and talk. Have a good day. All right, all right hold on a second hold on a second I didn't see any of this So just to review and let's make sure I got it straight The issue that Snoop Dogg initially took with the Gayle King interview was not, was yes about the question she asked, how it was asked, how she kind of dismissed the answer, but more importantly the overarching issue that Gayle and Oprah have been known to go after black men and let white men

06:20 slide on horrible guys like Charlie Rose Weinstein etc then he does he does that kind of he says we know you were coming for you whatever it is but it was clearly about hey we know we figured out what you're doing you and Oprah and then and then Susan Rice jumped in like like there's a whole army we can kill you and then the apology came is that how I is that the correct timeline That's the correct timeline, but there are some segments missing out of the timeline. No kidding. So first we're going to start off with the apology, analyze the apology, and then we're going to get into how the apology came about because when we left off last show, and I really wanted to leave this story at last show. Yeah. But it got so, uh,

07:17 Just the representation of what will happen and how he was made to brought to the carpet and made apologize It was just too much to pass up because we're gonna see some very interesting Happenings going with this story and if I make an observation about this apology, so they intercut his voicemail I guess that he left for Gail intercut that with his original Instagram video and No, that was on Instagram, but I think he was holding his phone funny or something. I don't know why it was sounding like that. But he kept cutting in and out, cutting in and out. I don't know if that was strategic by him or if he was just nervous or what. Or high. He had a whole different tone. Yes, for sure. Now, that was a voicemail that he left for Gayle King?

08:06 No, that was actually on Instagram as well. Oh, it's pure on Instagram. All this is going on his Instagram channel. I got it. Okay. So no matter what the true winner is Mark Zuckerberg, as long as we all understand that. Yes, that is correct. Yeah. Where we're at now is he's made the apology and now the Morning Joe crew including Reverend Al Sharpton. Yeah, that's gonna give away isn't it? Yeah, it's gonna chime in on how they received his apology. Yeah. Well, listen, I it was pretty straightforward apology a complete apology. I thought

08:50 It was a complete apology. I know you have a slightly different take on it, but I think we all screw up, we all mess up, and when we do, we need to step forward and apologize. And the part of that apology, I mean, he said he overreacted, he apologized fully. He was being disrespectful and he said he needed to quote man up and apologize. He did. And I thought the best part of it was when he said that they needed to get together and talk privately, which I'm sure at some point they will, though I'm sure this is still very, very raw for Gail. She's been through hell.

09:34 over the past week and I know she has to be disillusioned by people that she thought were friends who sat by and said absolutely nothing. I know she has to be disillusioned. I know she has to be disillusioned by newspapers like the New York Times and others who claim to be such champions of journalistic freedom and protecting journalists. They talk about protecting journalists worldwide but they don't even protect one down the street when her life is threatened. It's very strange this conspiracy of silence to protect and defend a black female journalist. Oh, yes! Woo! Conspiracy of silence! Woo! Morning, Joe.

10:20 But he's also, he's on a whole other tangent and I had another clip where they're just going off about oh this is violence against the against a journalist and a woman. Slow down Curry, slow down. Goggles Curry, goggles. Alright hold on a second I'll put them on let me let me get them here and pull them out of the box. They're on. Thank you sir. So Joe is accepting of the apology and you know, Snoop had to man up. Yeah, what's that all about? Words matter. Yeah. Words always matter. So that didn't sit with me well. It sounds like something that someone told him to say. I would agree. And it seems like, oh, you kowtowing to Gayle is manning up. And what I find interesting is this. We're not talking about

11:19 What originally this whole story is about now they've pivoted from that to Snoop threatening Gail and Oprah. Yes, and that's exactly what we covered in the last show because the guy that was speaking to her name When one of the clips The guy was saying yeah, they need to get they need to get out in front of story and make themselves the victim. Oh Yeah, I know what you're talking about Karen hunter Karen on the Karen hunter show clip the the gentleman that was with her he He laid this out exactly how they played it out. They played made himself the victim and now Snoop is on the on the on the defense and he's running scared and

12:10 Let's see how Mika accepts his apology. Well, I don't think those folks are off the hook just because Snoop delivered this so-called apology. I think it was an apology in some ways, but it wasn't in others and here's why. First of all, it's quite a turnaround, okay, from what he put out there and it took a week, which is problematic. When you've done something wrong, you know it right away and you get right out there and you do not give any excuses for it, and his first line gave an excuse. Two wrongs don't make a right? Let me explain why that's problematic. He left Gail hanging in an area that's quite important to all of this, which I'll let the rep talk about. Two wrongs don't make a right? No. That's not okay. And that kind of undermines the entire apology. The other thing is, you have to wonder why it took a week.

13:04 What what is it that made him think for a week about this before coming out with this and what he did? When he tore Gail down and threatened her with a profanity lace tirade as he divided people and he knew he was doing that He knew he was ginning up division. It's not a good Not a good look at all So I think he's gonna need to do more. I think it's a good start but a lot needs to happen before this really is quite frankly in a place of peace. What exactly, which people was he dividing according to Mika? Black men from black women. Do you think that's what I mean I know that's what's going on but do you think that's what she meant or this is brilliant actually so we want to divide black men from black women so let's blame it on Snoop for doing it is that the idea? And

14:05 You see the group divided, we gotta make sure the ones we have on our side stay on our side. So we make Gail the victim, misogynist Snoop is on this side, and anybody who agrees with Snoop is misogynist. And that's the way it works. Now, I will say this. I have no problem with Snoop apologizing for the words that he used, but my apology would have went more like, yeah, Gal, I'm sorry for calling you a dog-headed... B. And Mo, can I just give you some advice if you're ever in the position to apologize to a woman? Don't repeat what the infraction was in your apology.

14:58 This is a pro tip. I'm doing this for a purpose. Just in this situation. I'm sorry for calling you that term and I will say the term. But that still doesn't take away from the fact that you ignored Harvey Weinstein and I would have listed every name. This is if Snoop is about standing on his cause and this is not pocketbook related. But we all know where it's really leading but let me interject. He was kind of chicken shit not to do that to start with. He was talking in code, in fact it was code that I didn't understand.

15:43 He was talking in code and instead he could have said, hey, Gail, why are you doing that to another black man and you let these white guys off the hook so easy? That would have made it a different conversation and actually would have skipped two weeks of incredible bull crap in my life. But this bullcrap is good bullcrap. No, it's great for the show. I mean, no, it's fantastic. It's the highest quality bullcrap you can get. I'm not arguing with the entertainment value. I'm very happy with the entertainment value. Yes.

16:19 But even bigger than the entertainment value, a lot of things are being exposed. We're starting to see who's really pulling the chains here. And to figure that out, let's get into the last apology clip and then we'll get there. It was important because it sets a cultural tone that you do not have to be engaged in threats and misogyny. I think I think beyond Gail and Snoop, what concerned me was the message it was sending to a lot of people that listened to Snoop and that are impacted by it. And I think that they got a real education, and I hope this is a teaching moment that Snoop will use to say to them, it is not

17:01 the manly thing to do, to call women out their name and to threaten women and journalists for what they say. If he had said he felt it was inappropriate or harmful to him, the way she conducted the interview, whether you or I agree with that or not, he had the right to say that. But to dehumanize her and to use misogynist terms and to threaten her was my concern. And, you know, someone stopped me in the street just yesterday when I got all this show and said I'm glad you stood up for Gail. I said I didn't stand up for Gail, I stood up for my daughters. I stood up for people everywhere. Gail doesn't need me to stand up for her, but there are young people all over this country and older people as well that I marched for that should not be called out their name and we act like that's alright and I'm so happy that it was validated and supported by Snoop and just like we took Snoop all

17:54 We ought to give him his props and praise him for standing up and hopefully use this as a teaching moment to many of his fans that to man up means to really be a man and to be a man is to not disrespect women. Bro. How many times have you met men? God, I'm sorry. Yes. How many times did manhood, being a man. Man up. Yeah. Yeah. You see what we're doing here? And I want to point out something about Mika. Did you hear Mika's tone? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Her tone was very chastising, like a mother, like, you know better than that. And I think Reverend Al picked up on that because... And he ran with it. He was like, well, we have to, you know, forgive Snoop. He has to walk that back, because the way it looked to me is like, wow, they got you up here so they can say whatever they want to about Snoop.

18:52 we're doing it in the presence of Reverend Al so it can't be taken a certain way. You catch my drift? Yeah, of course, of course. So he's more of a prop than his input. And the difference with every other time we see Reverend Al being a prop is what? He is a prop. He's a great prop. Just the subject matter. Just the subject matter. That's the only thing. Gotcha. We want to ask, how did we get here? We left off last Tuesday, Wednesday. Snoop had made us send my apology, kind of walking back what he said, but that wasn't good enough. MSNBC did an all out, all encompassing attack on Snoop Dogg. I don't know why. Wait a minute, wait a minute. How did I miss this? I watch MSNBC. How did I miss it? No, seriously. I'm so... Okay.

19:52 I don't know what their purpose was. I'm still trying to figure it out now. I don't know if it was a distraction because of all the mess is going on in the Democratic primary, that this is a great- Well, hello, hello, yes, no, not just a segment filler, this is perfect right now. It's about the ADOS vote. We're in South Carolina, we're going to Nevada. You know, this is, we have Biden saying he's got the Obama fans. We've got Buttigieg You know, everyone talking Michael Bloomberg, yeah, they're going to go to Bloomberg, which is a big joke. So it's completely in place. So this would be the moment to split them. I still have the goggles on, but is this the moment to split the Ados men from the women? This is the perfect moment. And one thing I want to point out is

20:45 The Democratic Party had no problem with Snoop Dogg and his vile language towards women, if you want to look at it that way, when they invited him to perform at the DNC in 2016. They had no problem with that. He was actually like an unofficial surrogate for the Democratic Party. They had no problem with this, but now it's like, oh, he's bringing up valid points that can ruin a bunch of our boule butt kissers. And so he... So, so... Well, not just that. I mean, you can't touch Oprah. Gayle, okay. You know, it's like, but you're getting close to Oprah now with what you're... with the code that he's talking.

21:35 She's the biggest bule butt kisser. There you go. So we're gonna get that now here we are so that the attack first started on Joy Reed's Joy Reed show. The non-DOS. Yes, the non-ADOS Joy Reed who had Miss Tiffany Cross on her show. Who won the week, Tiffany? Okay, well mine is a little more complex. It does need to be said. I think who won the week are all the people who responded thoughtfully about the Gayle King interview with Lisa Leslie. I was so disappointed in some of the backlash that Gayle King got.

22:14 Listen, you know, as women in media, we can be on the receiving end of these very extreme comments. And so I will table the fact that was it appropriate for Gail King to pose the question about the Colby assault to Lisa Leslie? Look, however you feel about that, that's a separate debate. What came after that? This misogynoir and all these horrible comments from very prominent men, including Snoop Dogg, who did his non-apology apology this morning. But he called Gayle King out of her name, talked about her physical appearance, her hair. And I was just so disappointed because people like Reggie Bush and LeBron James liked it and 50 Cent weighed in on it with all these ugly things days after the hashtag Girl Dad was trending. Right, right. Oh, man, there's a lot there. Did you catch...

23:11 I want to fall back. What did you take away from that clip? I heard you say something. What what what? Honestly, I got kind of confused at the end when she took it to the Girls dad and then I kind of forgot all the other stuff. I was pissed off about okay. She said the Kobe assault Yes, yeah, that's yes. That's what I heard the Kobe assault. Yes. Holy crap. I thought he was acquitted. I Well, the case was dropped. There's no... I mean, well, dropped, excuse me, yeah, excuse me, dropped. But, I mean, he's not guilty of anything, so he can't be assaulted. No, but that's not how the media works. And they're doing exactly what, exactly what Gayle King got cussed out for. Yeah, they're doing, exactly. They're doing it. Yeah, yeah, of course. And the hashtag cropped up, we stand with Gayle. So this is what she's thanking people for.

24:09 for the hashtag dogs yes so snoop dog instagram post was liked by lebron james reggie bush 50 cents and a host of other black men and i'm surprised they let i'm trying i'm gonna see How this plays out in the end because their names on a list somewhere Okay, you really want to show your true colors. Well, hold on a second Let's talk about this this infiltrator on the on the the non-dos show This is Tiffany cross. Who is she? She's clearly some some political animal. Where's she coming from? Yes. She's a political pundit. She has a

24:57 website that she writes Writes about political and pop culture issues. I mean she's she's somebody MSNBC brings on that they could Roll out to be the black voice. Mm-hmm In this in this role. She was rolled out as the black woman voice She said a lot of things that get all joy read probably felt that she wanted to say but she wanted to You know, use this person for cover. That's how I took it. But the Kobe assault, that really, I was like, wow, y'all are really doubling down. And then she throws those names out there. So... Yeah, interesting.

25:44 Well, let's let Tiffany continue. And it was heartbreaking to see and it's just a reminder to people that look, these are real people in front of the camera with real feelings. Gayle King is now walking around with security and I was appreciative of the people who came out and said, whoa, time out. You guys are, that does not honor Kobe Bryant's legacy. This was a father of four daughters. Snoop Dogg is raising a daughter, LeBron is raising a daughter, all these other people who championed this message of calling her out of her name. So I just am appreciative to the people who came out, and not to mention that Oprah, because they impugned Oprah, she's been, Oprah has done a lot for the black community. So to say that these women don't do a lot, and just as black women, we ride so hard for black men, it was not fair to come under attack from our brethren.

26:35 What what what you say that it rides so hard she say we ride so hard for black men and let me just hear that yeah, we rise so Don't do a lot and just as black women we ride so hard What does that mean we ride as black women we ride so hard for black men? What does that mean we take up for black men at all costs which? And you're not kind of doing that by letting Gail King get away with disparaging Kobe's legacy. How can you ride so hard? My mind about exploded when I heard this. What are you talking about? And then she throws out the word brethren, you know Disappointed to hear this from our brethren. Well, I'm looking at Tiffany crosses. She doesn't have a Wikipedia page, which is no she has a website Yeah, and so they're her bread and butter I guess is the beat DC

27:31 TheBeatDC.com and their positioning statement on the website is, the intersection of politics, policy, and people of color. Color people. I know, but it doesn't work if you do politics. The alliteration is beautiful. But they're taking it, they're totally taking it. Of course, it's not all about what Snoop was mad about. So that's not just a pivot. We're full on into, oh and these guys all have daughters. Are we back to girls dad now? Is that the idea?

28:09 Yeah, that's they want to hijack and put Kobe inside that box of girl dad Got it. And what Snoop did was kind of ruin it by coming with what he said and on top of all of that It's amazing that if you rise so hard for Black men, why don't you say well since Snoop started the conversation? Let's talk about Harvey Weinstein Let's talk about these other people but that lets you know Who Trumps who? No pun intended. Yeah, I hear ya. Exactly. So this final little snippet from this overall clip just shows you how threatening Oprah is. First of all, I'm an old white guy and I know not to pick on Oprah. You just don't go there. Alright, no you don't because they will need dental records. They will need dental records.

29:08 Depends. Only if you're an ugly old white guy who's a pervert, then you're good to go. Otherwise, yeah, they'll need dental records. Wow. Who was that? I have no clue. I just thought that to be amazing that, oh, you, and Joy reading the background, she's like, yeah, that's right. You don't come for Oprah. That's worth another play. First of all, I'm an old white guy and I know not to pick on Oprah. Just don't go there. All right. No, you don't. Because they will need dental records. That's the little, the vasectomy guy, Chris Hayes. That's Chris Hayes. No, it's not Chris Hayes. No, it's not Chris Hayes. You sure?

29:48 Yes, older white guy with a beard and a hat. Well, yeah, he was. Yeah, he was inconsequential to the story. But I was it was like at the end of the clip and I was like, wow, he's really scared. Like, oh, yeah, you need dinner because you come. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well. So that wraps the George Reid show. And then the following episode of Morning Joe is where they really ratchet it up, starting with Reverend Al. It is to become a Gayle King, to fight gender bias and race bias and walk in studios that didn't invite you or an Oprah for that matter. It's hard to be a Snoop Dogg to come out of the streets. All of us have a hard road to travel. And when we start shooting at each other,

30:36 And when we start getting in the way of doing each other's jobs and threatening each other and acting like it's acceptable for us to be ugly because we may disagree on timing, that's when some of us must step up and say, hold it. We need to stop this and stop it now. So you can call me soft or sell out, whatever you want to call me. But I'm going to stand up for VLP on this one. She doesn't deserve that. God bless you Reverend Al for defending a black female journalist who had her life threatened on Instagram. Oh my god, had my life threatened on Instagram by Snoop Dogg? And if something happened to me, we never would have known who done it because it happened on Instagram. This is crazy. And there was something I want to point out last show, which this

31:29 Recovering gave me a great opportunity. So you remember the woman that used The Washington worked at the Washington Post and she posted this story about Kobe Bryant right after he died Yes, of course. She received death threats So you can't say Snoop Dogg saying what he said is the one-to-one correlation. Yeah, but yeah Mo I'm sorry, and I don't know what clips you have but the I've only seen one morning Joe clip of this and And it's and my daughter even sent it to me. She said oh my god these people are freaking out Not just a woman, but a black woman, so I think there's a difference you can be a white female journalist with death threats man but if you're a Black female journalist related to Oprah whoa So there's a clear difference. It's not about being a journalist. It's about being and not even about being a woman and

32:30 And the point I'm trying to make is she would have received death threats regardless if Snoop Dogg said anything or not. Right. But they're trying to make Snoop Dogg the scapegoat. Yeah, of course. Yeah, for, oh, he's the reason why I'm getting death threats. She really got death threats, I believe. Not from Snoop. You can't say his. No. I took it as, just what I took it as is that we're coming for you, we're coming for you on the internet, you know, drag you, you know, that kind of thing. I didn't take it all, I'm be waiting in your bushes, Gayle, you know, to make you pay. I don't think anyone took it that way. What does Black Twitter say? Well, it's divided. You have the pro-feminist,

33:14 Those liberals those who've already bought into the program and those who haven't that that's got a dividing line right there Those who have already been indoctrinated and those who have yet to be indoctrinated And to further widen the gap, we have Joe's BS rant. from a guy who has 39 million people. The post is still up. The post is still up. She faces threats and abuse. Her children are now facing threats and abuse. 24-hour security. She now, Gail King now has to have 24-hour security.

34:09 And I'll be damned, have I read the New York Times editorialize about it? No. What's all your bullshit about protecting journalists when you have a black woman whose life was threatened? Nothing there. Wall Street Journal, nothing. Wait, what about ViacomCBS? What are you doing? Where's ViacomCBS? Has the USA Today done it? Where are you? A black female journalist's life has been threatened. She and her children fear for their lives. And you aren't writing about this? So is everything that you've said about Donald Trump threatening members of the press nonsense? Did you really not mean it? Did you really not mean it? You meant none of that about Donald Trump? Is that all politics?

35:05 Yes. Do you have the rest of this one? Do you have the rest of this? Oh, I got the whole thing. I gotta tell you, my daughter sent me this. She sent me the clip. And she's 29. And she's having none of this, of course. And she says, look at this. She said, dad, you got to look at this. This is probably a clip for the show. And I'm going to try and do her voice. A black woman! A black woman! Horn, horn, horn, horn emoji. Oh, I'm not even black, dad. And he had me clutching my pearls in my Sunday hat. A black woman! I mean, this is insane. Why, though? Why?

35:58 And you hear Mika in the background, yeah, oh totally, that's his employer, that's his employer, yeah. Viacom, Viacom, go after that, yeah, go, it's, that, what you see here, that is, just close your eyes and imagine it as Twitter. That is cancel culture on MSNBC. They were doing this to cancel Snoop. Yes. And this is a formal emasculation. No kidding. Did you hear the apology? Snoop's balls are gone. And then you hear her, that's not even a real apology. I mean, for him to say that two wrongs don't make a right. Not good enough. Not good enough.

36:44 But her in the back, I mean, they're like the morning time dominant silk. It's like, yeah, it's Viacom. Yeah. That's right. Preach. She's in the background doing that. I'm like, what is going on here? all here. And where did this come from, Joe? And another thing, Joe, if you're listening, because you might be listening, Joe, I want you to keep this same energy. Yes, please. Keep the same energy when we start talking about stopping Frisk and all the things Bloomberg did. You know, is the New York Times only writing about this? Because, you know, it's about Trump. You know, I want you to keep that same Please yes that same thing that you got going there Joe. Hey Moe don't hold your breath

37:28 I'm not, but we'll be here. Yeah, we will. We'll be here. So a rant to where's corporate America? Because there are where is corporate America? Where is Viacom partnerships? Let me say it again. A black female journalist fears for her life this morning. Her children are facing abuse and threats. At the New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, Viacom, nobody is talking about this. After preaching on a mountain for years about how dangerous it is when Donald Trump threatens members of the press. Well, guess what? I think it's dangerous when Donald Trump threatens members of the press. And I think it's dangerous when pop culture figures

38:29 threaten members of the press, especially a black woman doing her job who is only doing her job. You know what? We can have a debate whether the question should have been asked or not. We're so beyond that right now. We are so beyond that right now. What's the conspiracy of silence about, New York Times? Why aren't you writing about this? What about you, Washington Post? Wall Street Journal, where are you Viacom? Where are you a black woman has gone to bed a journalist in fear of her life I'm beside myself You know It's it's almost it's not understandable exactly I mean, I've seen them pissed off the two of them, but I've never never seen it quite like this. I

39:32 For the life of me, I cannot figure out, I don't know if he got a grudge or if it's like we're gonna make this a huge distraction or we will make an example out of Snoop that you won't step out of line on, you're saying in 2020, or this is what you'll get, or a little bit of all three. But for him to go on that rant like that, and call out all these different organizations and corporations and like Viacom, yeah that's where he works. There's only one thing I can imagine. Yeah, it's Oprah calling for Joe and Mika. I've got a little message for you. What else could it be? Maybe, but so that goes to show you that Oprah has no real power.

40:25 Because this Apollo she didn't get this apology when she went up there and gave her crocodile tears and none of that They had to go get there and I'm gonna go get their white gatekeepers The power behind the power behind the puppets. This is what it looks like. She couldn't get Snoop cancelled and No. So, you know, they had to get these two out early in the morning. She can't. Oprah couldn't actually come out and cancel Snoop. That would not be accepted. But yes, you're right. Get the hit squad. And she doesn't have the power to. Because her power, see, this is how we got to understand. The reason why I did this is we're really seeing the Boule and they really have no power. They carry water.

41:18 That's what Boulay means, advisors to the king. That's all they do is they get their talking points, they run out here and they black-splain it to black people and then they run back to their hole again, they get more martial orders. when they run out and they and when you step out of line they sent oprah out for him but oprah's fake tears couldn't get snoop canceled so they said okay step aside your little child oprah let me show you how it's done let me show you how a real lynch mob is done and this is what this is this is a uh Lynch lynching in in and I know that's you think I've probably been like a stream here, but no Well, I take it very seriously. We have to have him kneel. We have to have him kneel. That's the mindset No, Moe, you know, you're right man this this was from high on order this was some kind of like a real a real note went out feels like and

42:23 A memo. A memo, yeah. Now, I'm just trying to look for the little connections. So Viacom, Mika's yelling about Viacom, Viacom, Viacom. New York Times. But there's also no real love between Viacom and Oprah. Okay, maybe that's it. Part of it, it's part of it, it's part of it, feels like. Tyler Perry was hired away from Oprah's network. By Viacom? Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, BET. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, that makes sense. So that could be something there, but yeah, I mean, it's like you just, you don't do this to the queen or her lover. I mean, her friend.

43:09 And the tone and the tone of these two of Joe and Mika is like it's so berating It sounds like their their life depends on it almost True. Oh, you got to earn you I think a lot of 2020 a lot of people are gonna have to earn their keep Yeah, yeah good point I was gonna say this went above and beyond the typical I'm gonna be loud and controversial to get attention for ratings. This was something else. This was emotional and I've watched lots of Morning Joe. I've never seen this and again, you know, if my kid is sending this to me and she's saying this song for the show, which I'm sure she doesn't listen to that often, then it hit the mark, you know, then the word is out.

44:03 And he's throwing papers and he's just breathing fire. And we're not even done yet. Rant three. There's a conspiracy of silence Reverend you You're one of the few people that's been talking about this. What in the hell is going on? The fact is what you just expressed in in very passionate terms is my concern. It's not about Snoop Dogg I like Snoop Dogg. I defended him doing a gospel record. This is about a precedent of letting people infer threats and and directly called women out of their names. It wasn't inferred. It wasn't inferred. And the profanity that

44:47 that was used? I've been saying for years we cannot use the n-word, b-word or h-word. For me to not have said something because it's somebody that I know, I think it's a height of hypocrisy and I get all kind of pushback. I've got clap back but I must stand by the fact that women should not be called out of their name no matter what the circumstance. Tell you correctly LeBron likes the post. Yes, and and and name one person on this set name one person in entertainment doing talk shows Who did who would post something like this that wouldn't be fired in three seconds and by the way less than Oh, this is interesting so I'm hearing Al he's getting pressure from from the community

45:38 He's walking a razor blade. Oh, yeah. He is moonwalking on a razor blade because His real power comes from the people in the streets. Yeah, the people in the streets don't like it. They're not like Kobe pro Snoop Dogg and I presume LeBron and all those guys who were liking the post are also saying we know what's going on and Or not. LeBron is so calculated. Go back to the China show. He's so calculated. He said, oh, the people are going this way. So I'm going with the people. That's the calculation he made. But LeBron, you just made your name on somebody's list.

46:24 Be careful, brother. I'm just gonna say that because this is how it happens. I'm being honest with you. This is how it happens. You piss somebody off, it's like, okay, we'll let you know be great right now. But any chance we get, and it's the irony of this, this is exactly... Exactly what the problem was. Exactly what Snoop Dogg was calling Gale out for. Yes, and now they just add more names to the list. LeBron and you know, we need to do the the MoFax celebrity consulting group So we can tell these people what to do and what not to do because they're really messing it up. Oh Wow, this is twisted. Yeah, and I like it a lot

47:13 So let's close up with our rant for. They were filming yesterday with Martha Stewart. They were filming yesterday for VH1, the Martha and Snoop series potluck party challenge. It's supposed to be on the air tomorrow night. Viacom. That's Viacom who, by the way. Yesterday they were filming. Martha Stewart was there. William Shatner was there. Tamar Braxner was there. Trey Songz was there. They were all there working with Snoop on set to film an edition of the show that will show this week. And they say he speaks for himself. They say he walked it back. He did an additional post still leaving the threatening, profanity-laced post up that millions of people can watch right now. He did an additional post sort of trying to make Gayle look older, trying to do little dog whistles while sort of saying maybe we're not violent. It was not an apology. He did not pull it back. He actually made it worse.

48:11 And he kept his post up. Wow. No, it's a great observation. This was a total hit job, but it only deepens the conspiracy. Why is it? Well, we kind of know why, but we understand why there's a division to be made between Ados men and women. And this is mainly political and for power reasons. But why let all of the shitty white guys off the hook? Also for power reasons? That's pretty disempowering in my mind. Well, as long as I can appear to have power. True. The bullet never wants to have power. That's the big misconception. It's like we're kept, we're well kept, we're pets.

49:07 You know, we don't go out and earn for ourselves. We're giving our daily bread. Some people will call it butter biscuits. But, and that's what they do. They go and they do, you see Reverend Al. Reverend Al is only there because MSNBC cuts his check. And he's between a rock and a hard place. And they were like, Al, we need you, Al. And he was on there too. Man up, man up, Al. Yeah. And you see what happens. So this puts a nice little bow on the Snoop Dogg story, but I felt I had to bring it to closure because I thought it would end at the end of last show. But then this happened. I was like, I knew he was going to have to apologize. I thought that how we ended last show would be the apology.

49:58 But no, I have a feeling that this may continue Moe. I'm not so sure this won't come back. This could continue. We got a new list. We got a fresh list. Let's just review the list. We got LeBron on the list. Who else is on the list? 50 Cent. 50 Cent. Who? Yeah. Which Bush? Reggie Bush. He's a football player. Thank you. Reggie? Yeah. Reggie Bush. Anybody that liked that tweet? One of George W. Bush's kids, Reggie Bush. He's the one with the Trump tape. But yeah, this is not over for Snoop Dogg either. He's gonna have to be taught a lesson and they're gonna parade him out. I'm calling it now, maybe six, five, six months from now. He's gonna write a book, a co-author book, combating toxic misogyny. You know, he's gonna go- No, no, no, documentary, documentary. Yeah, yeah. That'd be better for him.

50:59 That'll be better and he's gonna have to go on probably on Gail King and Gail King show. I'm sorry, Gail. I had to be taught how to be a real man. And that was by giving you my testicles. Here you go. No, they're already gone, man. I heard them in that tape. They're gone. Yeah, that's what he gave them to her. But now he's gonna have to go back, you know, and He's gonna, I'm calling it, he's gonna have to go back on a book tour because they did this with Kevin Hart. Remember Kevin Hart apologized? Of course. And then they brought it back again months later. Yeah. He had to go apologize all over again. Well no he didn't, no he didn't. He said screw that. I mean, no I think he, I'm appreciative of what Kevin Hart did. He said no I already apologized. But he still had to explain himself though. I mean you apologize once and it's like

51:50 Well, I got to keep explaining myself, but which is ultimately why I don't want to host. Yeah, so there we have it. That's the Snoop Dogg story and that's the end of the first segment. So I love new money. I like new money. I don't know if you do, but I hate old money that's wrinkled and dirty and got all the diseases on it. I like new money. And when I give, um, when I give things to people, I like to give stacks of money. It's fun. You ever had a stack of new money? Have you? You haven't? Have you? A little stack. A little? Oh! And so I made, you know, the big stack where it was brand new. And I like brand new money. I just don't want any money around me that's not

59:18 So this next story really irked me and we'll get into why but another perspective on Dwyane Wade's child being transgender. But anyway moving on another celebrity news y'all the world is raving I don't know if y'all heard about it but it's been reported that the NBA star Dwyane Wade's 12 year old son is transitioning y'all from male to female. Now they're saying that the 12 year old boy whose name is Zion Edwards now goes by the name of Ziya. Now they're saying Dwayne spoke candidly in an interview with Ellen DeGeneres, which you know we all love Ellen DeGeneres, which is gonna air later today. They're saying in the interview he discusses y'all being a father to Ziya, formerly known as Zion. They're saying the NBA ball revealed to Ellen that he reached out to the cast of Pose, y'all for help to help address the situation. Hey, which show is this from? This is from the Ricky Smiley Show.

1:00:12 This is on radio. Yes, okay, and I think it's uh it's I have a YouTube channel as well, but I decaptured the in studio But yeah, this is from the Ricky Smiley show sounds kind of show busy. Yeah, it is It's one of those well everybody good morning Yeah, it's that kind of kind of morning show high energy morning show. Yes gotcha He's the one that replaced Tom joiner Tom joiner. Yeah, well listen damn I guess that's what you get for the money they actually paid for that gig. Yeah. No wonder Joyner left. So this story, this story really irks me. And not for the obvious reason, because that's not what, that's not why I'm covering this topic. The child, to publicly document a child transitioning

1:01:11 I don't think that's a good look. Now wait a minute. Me personally. Because they're putting this out there publicly you mean? Or they're actually going to document every step of the way? I think that they're actually, he's 12 years old. And I just don't think it's appropriate. That's something that you should not be on tabloid news for. You understand what I'm saying? Well, let me say that now, 12 years old is I think a little young for any big life choices, but when someone makes this dramatic life change, part of the whole idea is that the world knows it, understands it, and converts in their own process.

1:02:11 So it's hard to do that as a celebrity or a child of a celebrity without it obviously, if you say, okay, only friends and people, kids at school, you know, that's going to get out. So you can't really cover it up. this would be something that might have to be... I would do this and say, hey, we're really proud. Here's what's happening. And we'd like you to respect our privacy and we're really not going to talk about it anymore. That would be the way to do it. I don't think that's how it went down with Dwayne Wade. That's my point. Yeah, gotcha. Hollywood is full of kids that's transitioning. We see stars and we see the kids and we see we kind of like put two and two together, but they don't talk about it publicly. It's like Chad Bono, you know, that was like, OK, and it was still a lot of a lot of noise around it. But it was just like, OK, just shut up. We're not going to talk about it. And then it just kind of became accepted. But but that happened later in life, I think, for Chad, not at 12.

1:03:10 Right. And the other problem is that, well, let's just listen to Dwayne Wade talk to Ellen about his supporting his child. Thanks for being here. That was a clip from the ESPN documentary. And first of all, I just, I think it's what every, you know, every parent should be is what you're being right now, which is unconditionally loving your child and supporting your child in whoever they are. I mean, There are so many parents that are just, oh, you're not going the way I imagined or wanted you to be and freak out. And you're so loving and supportive of Ziya. And what a special child she is. Yes, she is. She is. Thank you so much for that. First of all, me and my wife, my wife Gabrielle Union, we are proud. When I say proud, we are proud parents of a child in the LGBTQ plus community. And we're proud allies as well.

1:04:09 And we take our roles and our responsibilities as parents very seriously. What did you ring your bell for there? His wife, which is not the mother's child. Oh, I didn't know that. The conversation... Oh, this is a twist I was unaware of. The conversation is that she's kind of steering the child. As you know if you notice in the news she's suing Simon Cowell for smoking and she had the big dust up with Terry Crews and she's always saying things that keep her name in the news more than

1:04:57 or her acting and her own celebrity. She's made. So it's a lot of speculation, I'll leave it at that, that she might be guiding the child. What is her name again? Gabrielle Union. She was in a clue, not Clueless, she was in one of those cheerleading movies and then she did Bad Boys 2. I'm trying to think all the big movies she did. I got him here. Oh man, she's done quite a lot. Yeah, she's worked a lot in Hollywood, but... Bad Boys 2, Think Like a Man, Deliver Us from Evil, Bring It On. Bring It On, I think was that. That was the cheerleading movie, right? Bring It On. Yeah, that was the cheerleading movie I remember her from. But that's the whole story behind it. But my problem is

1:05:58 One, you're making a public statement. Two, the child is only 12 years old. I think that's a little young, like you even said, for any child to be making a lifelong decision. Three, we don't see this with other groups of people and their children. It's more of a private affair. Right, but of course she's she's that you know, this is she's Hollywood and he sports, you know, it's this there's some things going on there, too Hmm, right and how this all kicked off was it was originally they showed up showed up at a pride Parade and she was there and the

1:06:48 Zion was dancing on floats and I have a real problem with taking children to some of these parades. They're adult themed. Yes, especially San Francisco. I've I've I was there during pride and oh yeah, it's very adult themed. Yeah, so and then the other thing is to say a child is Homosexual or heterosexual means you're sexualizing the child. Yes, sir. That's another problem I have with it now if you have a gender identity issue and you're not Sexualizing the child who am I to say but anytime a child is sexual as I was sexualized and I saw this in

1:07:33 with another child, he was the drag queen, like the 10 year old drag queen, and he was dancing. Ellen had him on the show, and he was spinning around the pole. That's child abuse, that's complete child abuse. It's crazy. So I want to make it clear to the people that's listening, my issue is not the transitioning, it's the sexualization and the promotion of that sexualization that hurts me about the story. And sensationalizing it as well. Because they are. It's sensationalizing. It's making a big deal out of it. So let's get into part two of the clip with Ellen. So when our child comes home with a question, when our child comes home with an issue, when our child comes home with anything, it's our job as parents to listen to that, to give them the best information that we can, the best feedback that we can. And that doesn't change because sexuality is now involved in it. So once Ziya, a 12-year-old, came home,

1:08:30 First Zion everybody. I don't know if everyone knows originally named Zion Zion born as a boy came home and said hey So I want to talk to you guys You know, I think going forward. I'm ready to Live my truth and I want to be referenced as she and her I would love for you guys to call me Ziya and so internally now is our job to one go out and get information and to reach out to every relationship that we have. My wife reached out to everybody on the cast of Pose. And we're just trying to figure out as much information as we can to make sure that we give our child the best opportunity to be, you know, her best self. Let me go tell everybody at work. No, and she rea... Okay, I don't know if you're familiar with the show Pose. No, of course not. Okay, so Pose is the show with the ballroom dancing. Are you familiar with that culture?

1:09:28 Well, what ballroom dancing? Yeah, the ballroom scene where they do the voguing and the guys dressed up as women. Okay. Yes. Identifying as women. Sure. Sure. Sure. They do all the voguing and yeah. Yeah. I'm voguing right now. That's who you want to take your child to talk to? There's better sources. You're a millionaire. Your wife's a millionaire. And you take them to a TV show cast? This is very it it didn't sit and I was on the fence about doing this this segment of the show You know the because the problem I have is I really don't know enough about them. I don't think anyone can Or about any of the people on the cast. I mean the the people the cast could be a fantastic Fantastic bunch of people true, but it all of this being done out in the open is part of the well I

1:10:30 You know, this is the way to go I guess I'm not sure. I mean, I've read the book. I bought the book specifically how to know if your child is transgender and what to do about it and I swear to God and this is the book This is the book that all these all the parents of trans of kids who want a transition or in our transitioning read and I bought it specifically to understand 80% of the book is political You know, how to deal with this, how to deal with these people, how to deal with how to... it's like a roadmap for the parents. 20% is about the kid. And that's what I'm saying. So I've educated myself as... If you really want to get the child to help... I've educated myself as best as I could, but I mean, please.

1:11:18 And what I mean by help is if you want to get the child help to embrace their new life, if that's their choice, fine. If you want to say, well, we might want to slow it down. We're not going to discourage you. If that's their choice, to each his own. I'm not one of those people that try to tell people how to parent their child. But when my issue is the sexualization of the child, whenever, that's like me saying, yeah, my 12-year-old daughter, she's a heterosexual. If I said that people like how do you know I mean like how you don't say like that's a bold statement I hear you so we have I have a clip from Ricky Smiley here and he provides another perspective on this story. Yeah, everybody's opinion because

1:12:12 You know it is Dave's... Okay I'm done. Cut. Yep you too. Yep so just let it go. But anyway congratulations. My thing is he's about to suck. Now they got the baby up here. They take a family picture. The baby up here 12 years old with acrylic nails and a halter top shirt on. Now be what you want to be. But the question is, if that boy was a real little girl, is it appropriate? Because my 12-year-old daughter wouldn't have on no halter top and no acrylic nails.

1:12:50 My 12 year old girl, because they got plenty of time for that. They got the rest of their life to do that. Now why you got to march that out in front of everybody and that's still a child? This is just me. Now you can get mad at me and the LG, BT community can attack me or whatever and say whatever they want to say but I'm just talking about just as a parent. You got to use a certain amount of discretion and it almost feels like exploitation to a child's sexuality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I try. You don't know. I kind of caught you flat footed with this story. Not really. But that's why I'm trying to. No, I'm just as far as you don't know specifically this story. Just tangentially. And the images that go with it. And the images, as Ricky Smiley was saying, is the picture they took, the kid got like three, four inch acrylic nails on and a crop top.

1:13:50 And it's like, my 16-year-old daughter just started wearing... Yeah, exactly. It's inappropriate. I got lucky because my daughter when she was around 12, she was into Good Charlotte and she just wore black, black pants, black, black hair, black eyes, black, black everything. How unattractive can I make myself? Like, this is good. I like where you're going with this. This is perfect. Keep them away. I have a 16-year-old daughter. I have a 10-year-old daughter. So, he falls in the ages of those two. And really girls don't really get into how I say like, doing their hair. I want to say that like, you know, obsessing over it and the nails and stuff to about 15, 16 years old makeup, that kind of thing.

1:14:37 You got a 12 year old boy getting acrylic nails and wearing crop tops? Well now, because she's chosen it, I'm gonna recognize her as a girl and I'll say Ziya and I'll say girl. Oh excuse me, yeah, yeah, okay, I got you. Gotta be fair on that. But yeah, I'm seeing the pictures, I understand. No, it's inappropriate. It's inappropriate. And with the whole backdrop now, the real ladies click these out. Oh, I know it's coming I mean, I'm just sitting here waiting for the hammer to fall we talked about the emasculation of black men put in black men and dresses in Hollywood and Billy Porter. Oh, you mean like Martin Lawrence and then and what's his face? There's Chappelle. Oh

1:15:27 Yes, Chappelle, Lil Nas X. I mean, we see all these things that is constant. We only make up 6% of America, black men, 6%. Now, how many of the flamboyant heterosexuals do black men represent in Hollywood? Over represent and we done the show we done the show on this and the whole point of trying to make is when you see it through that lens and maybe people can't see it. How are you smiling sees how i see it that wildlife.

1:16:12 Let me play this back to you. So you're seeing in Hollywood, when you look at Hollywood production, you're seeing an over and an unrealistic inflated amount of black men who are gay, flamboyant, definitely not your typical masculine representation of a man. Correct. I mean, you see you have Billy Porter, you have RuPaul, You have Lil Nas X. I mean, the list goes on and what we're looking for is the counterparts in other cultures and you don't see it. We only make up 6% of the population black men do. 6%.

1:16:56 Yes, okay. Thank you for, thank you for clarifying that because of course, of course I don't see it that way. I will now though, this show ruins me. That's all this shit. Now I hear people of color and now I got to see all the, I got to pay attention to the black man on TV. Oh my God. And like I said, if, if she was 17, 18 years old, that's fine. I don't have a problem with it now, but the fact that I'm a parent, I don't like to see kids misused. Well, of course, that's the whole reason for I even took up for MLK saying he was the modern day Greta. Right. I mean, he didn't have a choice, a lot of choices in the way he was being steered. Right. I'm fair across the board. But when you look at this as a whole, a lot of people won't understand what Snoop Dogg was saying and why he was so angry.

1:17:54 Well, no, of course, once you know what's going on, once you know why he's mad and what it's really about, but of course even that fleeting moment of understanding is just being plowed over by the mainstream and their own agenda. But anyway, I don't want to go back to that. I want to stick with the story and hear where you're taking it next. We have one of our favorite YouTubers, Mr. Chronicle of Judah 144, and he chimes in on D-Wade's son. If they were truly concerned about supporting this young man, they would have made sure that they imbued him with masculine energy so that he could understand exactly what his role is supposed to be in this society. And this is why, brothers, again, a lot of you guys have a hard time understanding why I come out against the so-called pro-blacks. Because this is what they're actually about, man.

1:18:40 The so-called pro-blacks, for the most part, they're not for the empowerment of so-called black people. They use the pro-blackity black stuff, especially the celebrities who try to act like they're pro-black. They use the fake pro-blackity black stuff as a cover to get you to let your guard down. Then they want you to accept what they're really about, which is pansexuality, transgenderism, homosexuality, lesbianism, pederasty, etc. That's what they're actually about. Because they're sexualizing this young boy right here for him to say that he's a homosexual What he's really saying is that he's attracted to other young boys or grown men Right, they're sexualizing him. Some people may hear this and think oh he's bigoted or you know He's not understanding But we're talking about the bigger story here or the the bigger picture and so

1:19:36 I found this interesting clip from an unlikely source, Mr. David Icke. David Icke is the granddaddy of the lizard people. Of course I know David Icke and I respect him incredibly for a lot of his lectures, books, all kinds of stuff. He's a very interesting guy. Well, this is a non-lizard clip, but we want to Listen to his thoughts on the transgender movement. So if you look at the transgender thing, again, it comes under this heading of, if it's the agenda, you won't have the right for another opinion. Because if you're trying to sell the idea that there is no biological difference between men and women, well, you're on a loser, because you can't win that debate.

1:20:35 But if you silence the opposition and you intimidate them into silence, Through abuse and and all the rest of it that comes from that then you don't have to win the debate Of course, there is no debate and your your view will prevail and we're seeing it prevail all the time So is your is your thinking here mo that this child is being used abused? To further the agenda and to silence the debate. That's exactly what it is when you look at

1:21:15 all the data points, when you look at how black men are being portrayed in the media, it's like an emasculation program that's being ran. Okay, alright, now I totally understand. Okay, so I'm gonna play this back. So, when you look at television, Hollywood, movies, etc., you're already seeing a high percentage of men in non-traditional masculine roles. Mm-hmm And then you get all this kind of stuff thrown on top. Of course. We're all just coming out of the Snoop Dogg thing With Gail and Oprah and we know what's really behind that and then this needs to be put front and center I can totally see where you're coming from now. Is it real? I can't say yes or no, but I know how it feels to me and

1:22:12 It feels to you. I'm sure I'm just gonna take a guess it feels like there's a systematic thing at work here correct that that's exactly right and this and even if you say something and if you if We can't really go back and listen to it, but when Ricky Smiley first started talking he was stuttering He couldn't find his words. It was hard for him to say it. Yeah. Yeah, is this where we're at well? We can't even Talk about it. We can't rebut the argument and then according to David Icke, that's exactly where we're at and that's the plan. And he continues on with that in clip number two. If people feel that they're in the wrong body, that's none of my business. It's their business. But if they want to self-identify as a sex different to their body, good luck to you, mate. A, it's your right to do that and B, it's none of my business.

1:23:15 But that's not what it's about. That's the foot in the door. The foot in the door says we must not discriminate against transgender people. Okay, my hands go up. Absolutely agree with you. We shouldn't. Shouldn't be discriminate against anybody. But that's when it starts, and then it starts to move. And now suddenly you can't say this, you can't say that, you can't have this opinion, you can't have that opinion. If you're a parent and you don't like what's being taught to your kids at school, then you're a bigot and you're a transphobic.

1:23:52 And the whole thing expands from the initial, we mustn't discriminate against transgender people. Yes. Oh man, I'm so glad you brought this. This is deep, by the way, because this, yeah, sure, it's black men now. You know, this is an overall attack on men, I think. This is exactly what he's saying is so right because even I'm like how do I exactly How can I say what I'm feeling? I'm not quite sure how to put into words, but the whole point is even struggling and having the conversation You know in the back of your mind. There's someone going transform

1:24:40 And that's how it works I guess. And then you got to read, I'll send you a copy of this book that all parents are reading who believe their child wants to transition or feel it or the kid has said it, whatever it is. It's kind of the book and you'll see what I mean. That's why this is kind of hitting home what you're saying here. It's 80% political. How do you deal with this? How do you deal with school? You know, not about how do you love the child? How do you shepherd your child through this? You know, it's like, well, here's all the numbers you can call. And it looks a heck of a lot like a program now that you've brought this to my attention. And as he said, they keep pushing, not

1:25:27 And when I say things like black people, white people, transgender people, I'm not talking about the everyday, and I use this term, running the mill people. I'm not talking about those people. I'm talking about the icons or the representations that they use in the media. That's my problem because these These tools that they use in the media, and I don't mean it as a disparaging remark, but it's kind of like how I talk about the boule. It's the same thing. They use these talking heads and these talking points to shape society. Yes.

1:26:09 And once they start pushing, if you don't stand your ground and say, no, I'm not going to go back any further. Now you can live in your space. I can live in my space and we could coexist with each other, but you're not going to infringe and make me change my mind on what I believe. I can respect your beliefs. We do this on the show all the time. I might not agree with something you say. Okay, that's fine. Okay, we'll agree to disagree and we'll keep moving on. But this next clip is the exact example of not only can they exist in their world and the way they want to exist, they want to infringe

1:26:54 on institutions. And case in point is Billy Porter on Sesame Street. Emmy and Tony award-winning actor Billy Porter has some words for those who have spoken out about him wearing a dress on Sesame Street. Now last month pictures were posted of Billy on set of season 51 of the long-running children's series Wearing a Velvet Gown. The same incredible velvet Christian Siriano gown he wore to the 2019 Oscars. A Republican state senator from Arkansas, whose name shall not be named, said in a Facebook post, He added he would like a bill to cut

1:27:37 All funding to PBS. Yeah, okay. Well, last night, Billy had the best response, telling Page Six, if you don't like it, don't watch it. Now listen, it really is that simple. Let me break it down for you in simple terms. Think of it like this. I don't like sci-fi, so I don't watch it. I hate steak, so I don't eat it. Do sci-fi and steak still exist? Yes, they do. Senator No Name, queer people exist. It is not an agenda and we are not going anywhere. So, are you offended Billy wore a gown on Sesame Street? As a parent, is it best to ignore a man in a dress or to explain to your children why a man is in a dress? Do you think PBS's funding should be cut? Let me know in the comments below. Oh man, oh I hate this. I really hate this one. Let me say first, I come from show business. Since I was 15, but really 19.

1:28:46 I've always enjoyed the colorful people in the business We had boy George back in the day You know there's this Elton John, I mean is another perfect example a Colorful people bring color and joy to the world in their own unique way But that was on you know like you you had to be an adult you buy a ticket to go see the show and You know, he would be in the context of an entertainment-based program, which is fun. You know, it's fun to have someone different, not the same old boring people. I enjoy that and I appreciate it. Sesame Street is a learning tool, and I think there's other ways to introduce...

1:29:32 There's other ways to introduce this to children. Now to immediately take it to, do you think that this is just some bullshit asshole who's like, do you think PBS should be defunded? PBS should be defunded by the government because they make money from the military industrial complex. It's all brought to you by Raytheon and Grumman. They don't need government money. for this. But that's not the position of Sesame Street. Sesame Street is a tradition, you know, and it stands for something, and it's changed over time, but I think there's other ways to do this than Billy Porter. I don't think Billy Porter is qualified to instruct children. I did like his dress and the hat at the Oscars.

1:30:24 And I would say the same thing if they had a puppet with a MAGA hat on spewing Donald Trump talking points. Same thing, yeah, can't have that either. No. I'm like, this is not meant for, this is for children. Most parents, they want to sit their kid down in front of Sesame Street, you know, with some animal crackers and like, you know, and not have to worry about their child being steered. It's not about where you're steering them, man. It's like, let them learn the numbers, the letters, the colors, how crayons are made, and that's fine. I mean, it's what I learned from Sesame Street, but that's the problem. It's just one after another after another pushing these boundaries, and then it recalls.

1:31:15 push that spring down, it's gonna have to recoil and then when it does, there's like seed, like this guy said, oh yeah, I don't like steak so I don't eat it. How many groups are like, you don't need to eat meat? Meat killing the planet. Exactly. Thank you. Bernie Sanders speech interrupted by women against cow's milk. Right. So I mean, I just wanted to bring that up. It's just that The black community has always been embracing of homosexual people. Yes, very much so. We proved that with the episode we did about Harlem. So when you talk about Bayard Rustin... Hold on, let me stop you for a second. You make a blanket statement there which I don't think a lot of people agree with. What's that? My perception

1:32:12 And you know where I'm coming from. My perception is that black men, ADOS men, just to make it specific because I think that there is a difference, in my perception do not like homosexuality. Okay, we may not agree with it because you made a valid point. If a person wants to be called by a name and I have this argument with some of the people that Agree with me. I mean, I'm not calling them. You know that or why would you antagonize a person if you want to be? You know, I had a I knew a innocent person and they want to be called Patty Spain Okay, that's your name Patty Spain. They were transitioning. Well, cool, whatever. That's what you want to be called Muhammad Ali change his name. I'm to antagonize a person

1:33:11 That's one thing. But then you say, well, do you agree? No, but I mean, that's your life. Why can't we have that stance? But it's like when you say you don't agree, then that's when they get one to throw you in a re-education camp. And it's like, you have to comply. You have to comply. So accepting, you can disagree with something and accept it. Would you, would you, okay, would you, let me try this on you. Would you agree that white men in general in America, let's just keep it in America, are more accepting of men exhibiting non-masculine flamboyant behavior versus ADOS men? And this is where I think we do need to take the account, take into account the historical assault on ADOS men.

1:34:05 That's the point. This thinking, I can't think of the white version of a RuPaul. Right off the top of my head, I can't think of that. RuPaul almost looks white sometimes. I'm just saying, but who is the equivalent in pop culture of that? I mean when you say a white man... I'll tell you, you guys, you, you Moe, you guys got RuPaul. You know and I think every guy looks at RuPaul like shit man. Now what do the white guys get? We get divine if you can remember. That's what we got.

1:34:42 Is that too old a reference for you? I think I know who you're talking about. I think I know who you're talking about. That's who we got. But yeah, I'm just saying that the flamboyantness, you get Anderson Cooper. Right. That's the white gay. Well, okay, well, Anderson Cooper on New Year's Eve as an example, I'm like, oh please, it's just too gay for me. And I'm gonna say this, and we can move on to the next block. I just want to make this one point. Why is it when white men become flamboyant, they emulate black women? Oh, thank you. You're asking me? I wish I had an answer, and I wish we could stop all of that. But yes, it's... oh my god.

1:35:30 You know what I think the culture is the culture is like, oh, if I'm going to be flamboyant, then I have to go friend act. It's all like a black woman. And they learn that from black men. So it's you. I've never seen a flamboyant White man, maybe maybe uh the Liberace maybe well, I mean, but that how many years ago was that so you don't have anybody like that in pop culture No, no, I mean, I have lots of people that I know or friends or in my circle. Um, And not all gay men act like that at all. Exactly! At all. But that's interesting, because I think what you and I are like, I don't give a shit, whatever, whatever you do is fine. And if you're my buddy and you want to be flamboyant, fine, I'll laugh along, it's cool, I got no problem. But I'm also not, well,

1:36:28 That's actually changing, but as a white man I haven't had this constant assault on me since, you know, no man in the home. But white guys are starting to feel this a little bit, because we, in case you hadn't noticed, you might want to check your email. We're the problem. We're the patriarchy. It's the white male who's fucked everything up. So I'm starting to feel it, but it's more direct. It's not so subtle. It's not a subtle elimination. It's basically one day we'll wake up and decide that you white straight guys, especially if you're old, you have to go away. But what's happened to the black man has been sneaky and nasty. And this is the last point I want to make on this.

1:37:14 We've been that for 400 years and I know that sounds like a cliche, but no. What they realize is like, okay, we got them at 75% single mother rate. So they're not really an issue anymore. You know, as long as we control the women, then we control the kids. And you know, now we have to go after the big target, the white men. You are the canary in my coal mine, my friend, and I appreciate this. Let's promise to come back and do a, do this topic again. This is some of the most difficult talk for two men to have really, because just because of how you're perceived as talking about it I think, I think that's somewhere in the back, it must be in the back of your mind.

1:37:58 It's I know that you don't believe a shit about whatever anybody does But when it comes to this kind of assault and you and I feel you on the 400 years. I feel you that way Mm-hmm that having known you because believe me six months ago. I've been but you're talking about Willis So let's promise We'll tell you what this conversation we will come back around to good. I like it. I like it a lot I get the sound effect so I can go on to the C block and C-block it is. Clip 22. It's time for another news. We're going to take a look at the news stories that may not be on your radar, but they should be. Police in Cedar Rapids, Michigan, arrested a man for allegedly kidnapping a woman and forcing her to watch all nine hours of Roots. Telling her it was, quote, so she could better understand her racism.

1:38:51 Come on, bro. I know it's Black History Month, but this ain't the way. I recommend everybody watch Roots at least once. Because you want to. Not at gunpoint. Yeah! Now you and I have talked about Roots. I don't know if it was on the show or before we started the show. Yeah, it was. It was on the show. Yeah, it's a... what do you call it? It was the Colin Kaepernick episode. No, I know but you call it a victim trauma trauma based entertainment trauma based entertainment. Yes now I'll just repeat it when I was young growing up. I can't remember the exact year but I was still living with my parents and I was living in the Netherlands and it came on and it was very impactful.

1:39:36 And we would sit every week, we'd watch another episode, because another episode, another episode. And it was impactful. That's what I remember. And I don't think you've even seen the movie. I think you read the book, right? No, I've seen it. Oh, I had to see it. When it came back on, my parents sat me down like, sit down boy. And you know what I'm saying? And watch this. Oh, so they did, they forced you to watch it? Oh, all right. Right. Right. Because it was like, it's a, it's like a history lesson, but it's like so incorrect and incomplete. But I mean, for the 1970s, that's what you get. But this man forced the white woman to watch Roots.

1:40:24 Whereas he should have forced her to listen to at least 20 episodes of Mo Fax. That would have helped her right there. Exactly! It saved her some time. But no, no, we're gonna go watch some Roots. So, okay, so let's get into the clip 23. Man named Robert Lee Noy was charged with first degree harassment and false imprisonment after he kidnapped a white woman and forced her to watch the nine hour slave documentary Roots so she could better understand racism. That's it. That's the tweet. According to police reports, when the woman tried to move, Noy threatened to kill her and spread her body parts starting with her foot across Interstate 380 on the way to Chicago. Roots, which first aired on American TV in 1977, follows the struggles of one African-American family told over several generations starting with Kunta Kinte.

1:41:16 When the white woman was asked, does she better understand racism after being kidnapped and forced to watch Roots, she replied, yes, after being kidnapped and forced to watch Roots by a black man, I totally understand why some white people hate black people. This story had onion written all over it by that last line. And the foot thing. I'm gonna start with a foot. Now was this real? I remember seeing the headline fly by, but was this real? Was this thing, did this really happen? This is real. These are real stories now. Real as it can be. I understand why white people hate black people.

1:42:02 First of all for her not to be traumatized and then to have a comedic relief that was pretty funny But when I heard this my mind started to do what it does Oh Roots captive woman roots white woman captive roots. You know, I was like, I got it American horror story And my number one moment, Roots. Or Headless Roots. This was the funniest moment from the episode. Watching Delphine's head just squirm as she was trying to make it through Queenie's marathon. Stubborn old lady head. And Queenie was hilarious too. Whenever she was listing all the movies in her marathon, I thought she was going to say Precious based on the novel Push by Sapphire. Bonus points to any of you guys who can complete Queenie's movie marathon successfully. Did I start this clip too early?

1:42:57 No. You got to tell me what's happening here. So let me fill you in. American Horror Story. It's this show, it comes on FX. Yeah, I never watched it. I know about it, never watched it. Season three was about a witch coven in Louisiana and it was racially charged. You had the black witches and the white witches, literally, you understand, racially black and white. And one of the black witches, well, they resurrected this old white witch that came from slavery, slavery era. So somehow her head gets cut off and then the black witches take her head and sit in front of television and make it watch all these black television shows. It included roots. Hey.

1:43:56 So I was like when I heard this story, I was like where did it that when I hear this scenario with life imitating art? I love it. Well, it really does and I wonder if that's where he got the idea from but to get the beat of just to give you context of the scene and what happened I have the actual scene from America Horror Story, head to. So we're gonna have ourselves a little film festival. You're gonna watch Mandingo, The Color Purple, and then my personal favorite, Bats, starring Miss Halle Berry. Oh God. No, no, no, not that jungle music. Enjoy. No, wait a minute. No, no, no, turn it down. Oh Lord, oh no. Oh no.

1:44:51 I wish I was in Landy Cotton, old times dead, and I forgot to look away. Look away, look away, Dixieland. Now I gotta go watch this damn show. So to give you the visual, her head's sitting on a- And her head's singing along? Is that what's going on? Just her head. Just her head, because she's a witch. So she's been beheaded, but she's not dead. No. Of course not. We all know that's not how you kill a witch. Hello. Right. You gotta burn them. Yeah, so they have her head sitting up there and they force her to watch all these BAPs and Mandingo and Roots and that she can't take it. So just to wrap it up, let's listen to the final American Horror Story clip. Yeah, I kept my eyes shut tight the entire time, Vile Negras. I didn't see a bit of it.

1:45:54 I'm not surprised. You kept your eyes closed your entire life. Can't keep your ears closed though. Not without no hands to cover them. What is that heinous cattle wall? It's something my grandma used to listen to. If this doesn't touch your soul, you don't have one. When will my perdition end? When you learn something. You one stubborn old lady head, you know. I gotta go. And we got to find this guy man, we got to find out if he was inspired by the great work of American Horror Story. When I heard, like I said, when I heard this story, I was like, I've heard that scenario somewhere before and it popped in my head. American Horror Story. And as you heard there,

1:46:58 It's about re-education. Oh yeah, totally. Who produces that piece of crap? Who produces that? I have no idea. I don't even watch it like that, but I just wanted to see where they were. Whenever something's racially charged, I want to see where it goes. And I was like, oh, okay, this is what this is about. Black witches against white witches and slave masters. Okay, another trauma-based entertainment. I didn't really get into it like that, but I remember that scene because it was just so jarring. I was like, oh, okay. So that's the C-block. Oh man. That's fantastic.

1:56:17 It really does and I am delighted by this response because that means that it's appreciated. It's a two-way street. That's the secret. It really is. You guys are intimately involved. It's no longer just a one-way radio thing these days. So again, thank you very much. MoFundMe.com. All right, so we're in the final block, the D block. And it kind of bleeds over from the C block. Growing numbers of African-American women in Maryland and across the nation are leaving traditional church worship. All of them are in search of something else, a spiritual belief that connects them to their ancestors and where they can feel more empowered to control their own well-being. They have found it in ancient forms of spiritual contact. Some call it witchcraft, a term they accept and embrace.

1:57:13 For most of us, this is how we worship, a tradition that predates us all. This too is an ancient art of worshipping, not to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but to spirits and deities that span the oceans and date back to pre-slavery days in Africa. Are you in fact witches? I'm whatever the situation calls for. So if you come to me with pleasantries, you being respectful, you'll get Glinda, the good witch of the suburbs. But if you come at me with negativity,

1:57:50 and meanness and disrespect, then you'll get Evelyn, your worst nightmare. Okay, where is this from? This is from the Maryland News. Really? The local news in Maryland, yes. So these women are leaving the church for a life of witchcraft? Yes. This is, okay. Adam's white perspective. I don't think, and I think we've talked about this, this is not something black people are into, witchcraft. Case in point, Mary Ann Williamson. Yes. When we first started talking. That's right, yeah. And everything was going great, she was talking reparations and then all that crazy stuff happened in the church and everyone went, no, I don't think so. And who was she the spiritual advisor for? Oprah?

1:58:49 And who is on the wall of black women nowadays for a certain segment of black women? Oprah. You see how this comes full circle, Mr. Curry? Wow. The coven is on your wall, people. Seriously, I mean, you know, you're 20 years old. No, no, no. You trick me. You trick me. You said this was going to be a potluck, but there's a theme here. It is. No, it's not. You trick me. It's not a theme. It's life. Honestly, I mine these clips.

1:59:29 separately. And they were just sitting in my clip bank. Wow, that's interesting. I'll throw it in there. And as I see linked Everything together and see I just got see today speaking about the man making no women watch woman white woman watch roots, right? I just got that today and I was like, whoa that links everything together and I Intentionally meant to do this, but this is how this podcast works. I mean, I love it. I love it All right, just natural like that. Take me to the witches. I

2:00:08 Okay, witchcraft too. They have many names and titles and ranks within their belief system. They are college-educated professional women who've chosen to believe that theirs is a truer example of worship that is inclusive of the genders. It connects them, they say, to their ancestors and fills a need not found in traditional worship But most of them grew up in the church. I was raised Christian, all Christians in my family. In fact, my grandfather was a preacher in the South. I also grew up Christian. I grew up Anglican in the Episcopal Church. The older I got, the more disconnect I felt. I was raised Baptist. My father is a deacon. My mom a deaconess.

2:00:47 I was in church all the time. These women are part of a sect, Ile Ola Afefe Osemeji Spiritual Temple. They worship and offer prayers to Asun, a predominant deity. She's the deity or the orisha of aesthetics, beauty, sex, sensuality. They are growing numbers of African American women who have chosen for themselves a new life, leaving the church in search of more meaning in their lives. And yes, it can be called witchcraft. It's shaking my head. I'm blown away. Now, I will say this, witchcraft has always existed in the quote unquote black community because there's a thing called roots, not the roots that we just talked about, but actual it's kind of like when somebody works a spell on you.

2:01:42 And they're like, don't eat people's food. They could put a root on you or don't do this. They could put a root on you. You know, like a curse. A hex. Right. Do you know what the etymology is of root in that context? Is it like some kind of poison root or? I would, I don't know it. I think it's either the way I'll perceive it is that you'll have a tie with the person. So it's kind of like you're rooted. You're rooted to that part, you know, like the actual how roots work. Right, right, right. So they bind you to them. And they can voodoo doll you that way. They can control you, the root. And the common theme, and this is very inside baseball, it's common amongst some, a lot of black men that don't eat a strange woman's spaghetti. And... Well, wait a minute. Yeah. Put two and two together.

2:02:39 Oh, I gotcha. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that was a way they can work a root on you. So I'm not baffled at witchcraft is existing in our community. What I am baffled by is the openness of it. Because it's also looked at as a negative like all you you dabbling in the end in the devil in the black stuff Yeah, black, right. Yeah. Yeah, so it was like no Because that was the that was the thing with Mary and we were set for me. If you recall yes. Oh, yeah Good talking point. Yeah, bro that that uh Kind of leaning spirit and people yelling it. No, you lost me with that one. Yeah, so, huh?

2:03:25 So when I heard this story, I was like, wow, they're actually, and if you notice, they say educated. So they're going on to learn these new, these new, uh, uh, trying, um, new thought process or new ways of thinking. And now they're coming back and being more open with it. So, well, okay, but what this truly is, of course, is undermining their religious background because they all came from either my dad was a pastor. I was raised in this church, this church, and it's very clear to point out they went to college and then now they're witches.

2:04:09 What school did they go to? The way you put it was like so cold, but yeah. So what school did they go to? Is that Mason? Any of these liberal schools. I mean a lot of these liberal schools and we're gonna get to where I think the source is really coming from. But let's get into Witchcraft 3. At a recent convention in Baltimore more than 200 witches gathered, a sisterhood. But their spells are for good, not for evil. In this ritual, the women are preparing an offering to a shun on behalf of a woman in California who's looking for a mate. The omelet-type dish is sweetened with honey, believed to be a favorite of a shun. Prayers are said over the offering and for the woman in need. A portion is offered to Eshu, the male counterpart of a shun, and placed in a secret place beneath the stairs of this Odenden home.

2:05:01 Using shells they ask the spirit if she is pleased four shells are tossed to the floor to land up to land down Bounce the gift is accepted. She accepts it. The traditions may seem odd to most a mystery to some Complex and multi-layered these daughters of the moon followers of a shun women powerful determined and understanding Say there is nothing to fear. They are here. I And they will be here for the foreseeable future. Yes, there are witches among us. This is something that our ancestors did and all we're doing is tapping back into it so that we can become our best selves, individually and collectively. Okay, how old are these women?

2:05:47 mid, just by looks of it, early to mid 30s, maybe 40s. And do they still live with their parents or are they married or are they all single? From the tell of it, they're successful, educated women. Right, but I'm looking for the family situation. Are they married? Do they have kids? Or are they single? They didn't really give all that background. Okay. And like I say, it's interesting. And what is this about our ancestors? Our ancestors used to do this, really? Well, that was one of the main themes in the show of American Horror Story. This is our original religion. You seen a skeleton key. You seen a life of what? A life of secret life of bees. That was a witch coven. The color purple had witchcraft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This thing is been here just under the surface. But now we're starting to see

2:06:47 these different schools of thought surface. Dude, this could be like some club and Oprah's the head of it somehow. Hello! She was a big pusher of the secret. Oh man, yes. Yes. Oh my god, that was the huge book club push, yeah. Yeah, which is basically, you know, you can manifest anything with the power of the mind. Yes. Yeah, so, which, like I'm just saying, it's not strange that people are branching off to new religions, but these women came out of the church and now they're headed

2:07:39 Into the other direction you got to ask where where is this coming from? Yeah, so I'm asking yes. Yeah, so how practicing witchcraft helped As a black woman, trauma has touched so many parts of my life. I first started to deepen my practice when I was coming out of an especially traumatic situation. In the aftermath of trauma, especially this really intimate trauma, you kind of feel like your whole world has exploded, that you don't have a way for understanding who you are or how you relate to the world around you. My magical practice, my witchcraft, was a way of reorganizing the world around me, re-understanding who I was and how I could exist in the world.

2:08:23 When I was kind of in the deepest pits of depression and struggling with anxiety, even though I knew that the right thing to do would be to get out of bed and take a shower, I just didn't feel like I deserved those things. But by giving myself a ritual, that transformed into, I have to get up and take a shower because there is a part of me that is holy, and that holy part deserves to be taken care of. So while talk therapy was very helpful to me, it was actually magic and ritualistic practice that helped me get to my therapist's office in the first place. Whether it's acute trauma or if it's the kind of trauma that exists when you exist in a body that society doesn't accept or doesn't value. I've found witchcraft very helpful because it's a practice that really centers my personal value. And in a world that keeps telling me that I don't have value, that's a really radical act.

2:09:15 Wow, okay, so she's preaching of some common trauma or trauma that that women have the victimization mentality So what they're trying to do is take control back over their life because they feel like they've been victims Just taken away from what she said, you know I had no control over my life But magic from way the way I perceive it is lets you believe that you're controlling things You're in control. You can do a spell or you can do a ritual that lets you push you back into control. Now, I'll say I'm a big fan of manifesting. I don't think like the secret is, you know, the way to go. I'm all about personal development, so it's probably better than drugs.

2:10:12 To go to go this route. So, mm-hmm. Yeah, I can't I I'm not sure how I Maybe a visual would have helped what did she look like? She did she also didn't feel right in her body or body was rejected. Well She was a she was a attractive young young young lady. Hmm. So my point is this I I don't care what you believe, that's your person. You're gonna find out about me. Whatever you're into, whatever floats your boat, you like it, I love it. What I'm pointing out is you have this mass exodus of people leaving traditions. What is the root cause behind that? That's what I'm getting into. When you see something going, a group of people going one way, where is this coming from? Is this being steered from the top down? Is this being introduced through pop culture and people start looking to it? I mean, you saw this with Harry Potter. So when Harry Potter came out, magic became very popular. Yes.

2:11:12 Before then it was for the unpopular or for lack of better term for the nerds. Yeah. Who would see themselves as not having control over their life and they need something to give them, you know, power or strength. So maybe these women are feeling the same way. They feel like they're victims and they need to have Somewhere controlling their lives. I mean, that's just the way the way I'll take away from right but it's it's It's an interesting observation that they apparently don't find this in the church anymore This that's true. That is true. That is true. And that's the part. I can't figure out where What went wrong or maybe the church is seen as the patriarchy because if you listen my dad was a pastor and

2:12:08 My dad was a deacon. Yeah, yeah, it could be, could be. So that might be just another rejection of the patriarchy. But it's definitely a trend. Otherwise it wouldn't be... I mean, I think these stories crop up from time to time, but I can't recall a story of women being witches who were all black. I don't recall that. Well, these stories do crop up and witches also showed up. Witches playing the castle spell. If you'd like to participate in the ritual that's been making the rounds online, members from the Coven of the Raven Moon say this is all you're going to need. But they tell me the ritual they're doing here is going to be a little bit different. Witches from the Coven of the Raven Moon say they're doing their part to make sure America doesn't end up watching its own horror story. So it is the end-all, squash-all of all negativity, and that's a beautiful thing. At midnight, covens from around the world

2:13:03 will be lending their energy to cast a spell on President Trump. High Priestess Amy Jean Gooseland says witches from her coven will be using a ritual that will help keep negativity out of the office. Basically what the spell does is it prevents the person in question from being able to draw energy from any negative sources and it prevents the person in question from being able to project any energy that is going to have negative or hurtful outcome on other people. While the effects may not be immediate, members of this coven say the binding spell will make room for more positive energy to flow into the White House.

2:13:46 not have a need to feel binding him with a hindrance. Because what it's going to stop him from doing isn't anything they should want him to do anyway. These governors say it's just a matter of time before we see what's in the cards. Good health and prosperity and abundance for everybody and that I think that it is all there to be had for all of us and all hail Covenant of the Raven Moon, blessed be the witches. In Flint, Miranda Parnell, NBC 25 News. Well it worked! Good job. The president's no negativities. He wasn't impeached. He's it looks like he'll probably get reelected. Economy is good. I appreciate it. Witches?

2:14:27 And in this news story, they actually told you the ingredients what to get. You need something orange and, you know, they gave you the whole rundown. Something orange. Oh, that's fantastic. Seriously, that was one of the things. You need something orange and they listed all the ingredients. So they were promoting the casting of spells through the media. And this is not the first time President Trump has had beef with the witches. This is one of their meetings, and Dash Keys tells us when the witches like you see here are gathered, President Trump does come up. Sure. He does. Not only does he come up, but there are people in the community that take action through magic, through spell work to try to change the circumstances. Witchcraft, not so much like this. We are home. Are you bored? It's a little old to be trick or treating. But through rituals like this.

2:15:41 spells, do they still happen? They do! Tell me about that. So in a lot of ways, spell work, magic, these are all akin to prayer in a lot of ways. Worth noting, Dash is a witch. The term doesn't just refer to women anymore. As for the president's use of the term witch hunt, Dash says when you look at the past, it's simply absurd. Historically witch hunts were performed by the powerful toward the marginalized. To have the President of the United States claiming to be the target of a witch hunt feels like it's just

2:16:18 wrong. In Northwest, Mike Valerio, WUSA 9. They're seeing it all wrong. No, they were casting spells, putting orange peels out there, doing whatever, and he became a witch and then he was hunted as a witch hunt. I don't see the problem. They nailed it. They've turned the president into a male witch. Well, okay, I guess not. We don't have enough time for that to go all the way in that one and not enough there. But there I mean, but yeah, so I don't know where this witch thing came up and it really came out the woodworks with casting a spells on presidents after Hillary lost. And some people have said Hillary is literally a witch.

2:17:10 What was her right hand man in Arkansas? What is his name? He was with the whole Clinton cartel or whatever. He was her Roger Stone. Her version of Roger Stone. I can't remember he was used to be on Alex Jones all the time like yeah, she smells like sulfur and whatever but It's alright I got you I At the 2016 witches became came out the woodworks, okay, okay, yeah Okay, these are disturbing trends. We must keep our eyes on because Before you know it I got nothing against witches by the way ladies

2:17:53 Don't need no spells. Ladies only? Hey, hey! That's right, that's right. Dash? Hey, what's good about dash? Oh my goodness. Do I do the sound effect here? Yeah. So this last clip is a random clip and it really doesn't fit in anywhere but it covers a theme that we first talked about on the show maybe on the first couple episodes and that was no man in the house. And no man in the house basically is taking the father out and letting another entity become the father.

2:18:39 I mean, he was the definition of a real father. Because when your kids is hungry, they have food stamps. Yeah, we shop at Walmart. Yeah, we shop at Polish. We shop at Winn-Dixie. When your kids need shelter, yes, you have housing. And you also have Section 8 for a lot of us. And when our kids fall, get hurt, or sick, They have Medicaid. Yes. We go to the ER, we go to the walk-in clinic, and we also can make a doctor's appointment. I get their prescriptions with no hesitation. Now, if that's not the definition of a real father making sure your kids have food, shelter, and health care, I don't know what it is. So, like I said, I'm proud for being my kid's daddy, and thank you for putting me on. Wow. Well, that's the result. I guess it was the desired result. Is this a recent clip?

2:19:29 Yes, this is this year. Thank you government for being the father of my kids Moe yeah, I would be depressed I would be depressed about this if I didn't know that you're a you're a great dad. You got four kids God bless him So that gives me a lot a lot of hope because this is kind of depressing and all my friends and in this this is where we're not a monolith because all my friends are have kids and they're great fathers. So it's that's not the case. It's not everybody. Well, I'm just showing this mentality of no man in the house. It lives on. People question me on it. And that's why I played that clip because it lives on and it's only getting stronger.

2:20:19 And Mo Fax is going to shut down for this week. Please remember to support the show with some value at MoFundMe.com M-O-E Fund Me dot com. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. Thank you so much Mo. Great time. Talk to you next week. Alright, same to you Adam. When I look out my window So many sights to see And when I look in my window So many different people to be That it's strange, yeah, so strange You got to pick up every stitch, Lordy You got to pick up every stitch

2:21:25 You've got to pick up every stitch. It's got to be the season of the witch, y'all. That dirty witch night. You've got to pick up every stitch. You've got to pick up every stitch. Rabbits running in the ditch now Hiding, running and hiding, running and hiding Oh, must be the season of the witch

2:22:18 Must be the season of the bitch, bitch, witch, bitch Lord, Lord, Lord now, can't you take a bite You think that everything will come out right But it's strange, it's strange It's strange, Lord, it's strange It'll make you jump through hoops It'll make you turn some loops It's strange, yeah, love Talkin' bout strange

2:22:56 So strange. If she lays that loving on you, she'll make you forget about home, yeah. She'll make you turn your back on friends. You won't never want to come again. It's strange. Hello. Talk about it's strange. That old wicked witch, she's on the job, y'all.