24: Handle with Care

00:09 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for February 5th, 2020. This is episode number 24. Oh, I am so happy I recorded this earlier in my basement. What a great track. Hey, Mo. How you doing, Adam? I'm doing good, man. How are you? I'm doing well. Yeah, shoot, man. This is, of course, the podcast sometimes known as That ADOS Podcast. Mm-hmm. Only in certain circles And we're I guess we're a day later than we had hoped and apologies But it's always gonna be worth it because we have I'm sure a dynamite show lined up for you Not that I actually know exactly what we're gonna do But I did have a few things to follow up on Oh just a couple things to ask and one to follow up on from our last show Mo First of all Super Bowl. I know you're a big football guy. This is the only the only Football game. I really will definitely watch

01:07 I'll just tell you briefly. I felt the television production was very kind of sparse and flat I didn't see all the typical flying stuff and the stats and you know, just I don't know it seemed like pretty sparse But what I missed was a lot of hype about I think What would have been the third black? Quarterback to win the Super Bowl that I was that underplayed this year because he's like half black or what was going on? I Yeah, if you've noticed they don't put him in the black quarterback conversation. We've seen this before. I mentioned this before in the Colin Kaepernick episode that they treated him the same way. They didn't mention that he was

01:56 Black right until until I threw me that's what threw me about him cuz I was like he could be maybe Right, but but yeah, you see the same thing with my homeboy. Yeah as well So okay, because I found I think one article, but it wasn't even like a you know a massive m5m publication That's just that's kind of odd because I looked him up because yeah, I first I need to know how to pronounce his name You know me mr. Sports guy So then I figured that out and I say wait a minute so his dad was this and they know they're all major league baseball players and then you know finally I found article you know his dad's black his mom's white and it's like okay well where's the hype nothing that was just thought that was weird. This is the textbook example of being racially ambiguous.

02:46 Yeah, I've used that term before and this is no slight against him personally. No, but but the corporation that the NFL is I Think it's a conscious Because when you juxtapose that to LeVar Jackson a real Adolf black quarterback and Hold on now. I know I got to go to Google Lamar Jackson Yeah, Lamar. I can hear half people going. Oh Lamar. Okay. Gotcha Lamar Jackson. Yeah Yeah, they're the best two players in the NFL now cuz Lamar even won the MVP 99% sure he won MVP, but well my home is 1v MVP. Yeah last year. That's what I'm saying Gotcha

03:41 you have these two men that are technically both are black but how the story... Are they both Ados? Yeah I believe Holmes' father is Ados, so that makes him Ados, and Jackson's parents are Ados as well. But yeah I'm just saying the way the script is written... Isn't that interesting right? Isn't that interesting? Because I hadn't heard anything about it and I'm like Maybe he's you know more Latinx or something and that's why I went on a quest to go figure it out It's like well, this is odd all right, so that's their scripts. Okay. Everyone's fine with by the way I love the way the Mahomes plays is fantastic, and he's what like eight years old Really young really young so yeah, all right the other thing I want to ask you about Trump State of the Union

04:32 Which now, I was going to ask you this last night, actually we're trying to try and do it after the State of the Union, and I'm glad that we waited because I think that there was a very obvious to me, very clear message towards black Americans. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, can we go back for a minute to the Super Bowl? Because it's going to feed into this. Ah, okay, you're talking about the Tuskegee Airmen? No, no, no. Because he appeared both. The first break of the Super Bowl, or ad break for the Super Bowl. Oh yes, Trump's ad, you're right, of course. What am I thinking? What a transition. I should have done that myself. Nice. You take over. That's why we're partners. That's why there's two of us, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. So I'm sitting there watching the game and then I see it. I'm like, uh-oh, he did it. He has the

05:30 prison reform commercial. Yes, exactly. And it's in the first ad block. Which is a good one. Which is the prime spot. I think it was like second commercial in the first block. So that's like the perfect spot. And it's like targeted right at the black voter. Now I'll turn it back over to you. Well, okay, so that was going to be my question is what'd you think of the spot? pandering? Did it hit? Was it on target? What was your thinking? I saw a tweet today and it was from I think Breitbart on Van Jones and I think Van Jones is saying Trump is doing something for real black people. Yeah, just ADOS is now real black people.

06:23 I don't even think he meant ADOS specifically, but he means black people that you can relate to. When you look at the guy from Ohio that got cleaned up off the drugs and you're saying out of business going. Right, right. You're talking about the state of the union now. Yes. I'm going back and forth. That's fine. That's fine. When you look at the lady in the criminal justice ad, these people could be your aunt or your uncle. I mean, they're not these crafted super black people. Stop. Okay. Help me identify super black. Okay. What I mean is they didn't come up through Ivy league schools or super intellectual or Cory Booker. I wouldn't even say him. I would say like the pundits that you see on, uh,

07:20 CNN or MSNBC, they're not relatable. Ah, okay. Gotcha. When you see them, it's like, oh yeah, that could be my uncle, that could be my aunt, that could be my, the little girl that he had for the school choice. Yeah, that could be my little niece. That could be, you know, these are real black people. Yeah. And when I saw that ad out, I mean, I saw the article, title, I didn't get a chance to read the article, but I'm guilty of ruining headlines. I just didn't have time today to get to it. Was like yeah, they are real people all right, so what did you think of? Who'd you watch the Super Bowl with did you talk about it when you saw the ad yeah actually me and my mother-in-law She's probably the biggest Hillary hater Is she a Trump lover or not not care? Oh? I would say that

08:14 She appreciates his honesty. Oh, wow. And not the truth, but his honesty. He is who he is kind of way. Exactly. So me and her had these conversations, but yeah, she couldn't stand Hillary. Especially when she found out she threw a Bible, or literally threw a Bible. That was, that was, that was a wrap. So what did she think of the ad? it hit with her. You know, her kind of look, you know, like you see that. I was just blown back that he actually ran a political ad during the Super Bowl, but I understood it though. I understood exactly what he was doing. All right, so there was a lot of similar type messaging in the State of the Union. I personally, from a television executive standpoint,

09:00 It's like, yes, totally nailed it. You've got, you know, you're connecting a personal story to each and every one of your outcomes. It's like, yes, this was incredibly good, but it was a lot of black and brown faces, intentionally so. He had the redemption story, like I said, with the guy from Ohio, cleaned himself up with the Opportunity Zones. He had the single mother crowd with the Oh yeah, he hit that one, yeah. He hit that one right off the bat. Yeah, I mean it was kind of like, wow, you're really going after convincing black people that you're not bad for them. That was my takeaway. That was my takeaway and this contributes to my theory of the negative vote.

09:55 Right, which you know, and I am of course preaching this everywhere because you've run the numbers with me and he doesn't really have to chip away at that much and I think Van Jones in that very same piece that you referenced specifically mentioned, you know, black men. Yes. And so there may be an appeal there. So, and like I said, just things ain't been bad for the, this is argument is things haven't been bad for you, especially it's not as bad as they said it was going to be for you last four years. So you just let me finish up here and it's going to work out for you. That was my takeaway from the whole. Convincing anything on black Twitter. I think the silence you had to re we have to look at the silence. We have to look at negative, the negative or the missing, the lack of,

10:51 And it wasn't like, oh yeah, a lot of hate. I didn't see a lot of hate for the state of the union. No more than usual. But it was like one point, oh look at Trump pandering. That's one where I didn't hear that he was pandering. That didn't come across my timeline. Interesting. Okay, well good. Thank you. Thank you for Thank you for giving me your thoughts on that. I just, you know, because obviously I'm sitting there thinking all I can think of is, fuck what does Mo think of this? I didn't give a shit. Like what this, this sounds, sounds like he's doing something good here. I don't know. Nothing is really, well maybe the historically black colleges and universities that that could be considered some form of a tangible thing. But you know, the word reparations will never come up with Trump.

11:41 And I'm glad you walked me into a perfect segue because if the ads won't work and the presenting your case to the American public won't work, specifically the black American public, then maybe clip number one will work. Hey, can you be bought and sold? Yeah, can you? Well, that's what's going down. Remember that pastor, that guy, I think his name is Pastor Scott in Cleveland, the big Trump supporter. Basically, it's just been like riding for Trump for a long time. Well, they've got this like coalition with what they're doing is they're holding events for black folks and they're giving them money, asking them to vote for Donald Trump. And it's working. It's kind of sad because they're giving people

12:37 That really are not going to do the research and some of them. I hate to say it are low information voters one issue voters I Saw this I saw that you replied to a tweet about it and went looks pretty tangible to me or something like that I Wasn't sure how much sarcasm was in there, but I think it was exactly the way you intended at least I know Knowing you I thought that was pretty funny. I So this stems from a political article, Trump, what is it? Trump give cash giveaway for black voters. Yeah, that was the headline. So they're saying allies of Donald Trump have began holding events in black communities. And we spoke about these events in a previous show. And it says we're organized as lavish praise on the president as they hand out tens of thousands of dollars to lucky attendees.

13:35 So now when Andrew Yang was giving money away to... No, that's math brother. That's just math. That's just math. But now it's all these people are low information... Dummies. Dummies. Losers. So let me explain to who was speaking. That was Russ Parr. Are you familiar with Russ Parr? No. He's kind of like a knockoff of Charlemagne? No, no, your guy. Tom Joyner. Tom Joyner. He's kind of like a knockoff Tom Joyner. Okay, but except he has a job still.

14:16 Is he getting paid though cuz Tom Jordan is not getting paid Tom Jordan's done, isn't he? He was saying he was basically working for free those last couple years So I you'd be surprised you'd be surprised how shit radio has gotten I'm talking like 12 bucks an hour at Sirius XM believe me, right? So he calls people like these people that's taking the cash low information voters and they're basically being duped. But I want to give you an example of the kind of... commercials that he plays on his show. We Fix Money. If you need $640 or $850 up to $2,500 just go to WeFixMoney.com and get the money you need as soon as tomorrow. WeFixMoney.com is free to use and available 24-7 and you don't need perfect credit.

15:10 Go to WeFixMoney.com right now and we'll guarantee that in two minutes you'll find out if you're approved for a loan of up to $2,500. Money you could get by tomorrow. Go to WeFixMoney.com. Moe, 1980s Saturday Night Live, Eddie Murphy. A little bit more of the Eddie Murphy voice. Come on, we fix money! I mean, it's almost a parody of what would have been done then about how crazy advertising will get. And this we fix money is a known predatory lender. Well, this is a payday. These are payday loans. Oh yeah, totally.

15:50 So you're willing to serve your audience up to predatory lenders, but then you talk down on people for taking cash for monetizing their vote. Which I'm going to tell you, explain, okay, let me explain to people. What we're talking about now is just going to be a sub-segment, I mean, just a sub little section of the show and then we'll get into the real show. But I was really so irked by this because these gatekeepers are pissed that basically voting is turning it to some form of gig work. It's like, I don't need a big structure. I'm going to take my cash straight to the people. Give it to them, and then they'll go out and they'll perform the task of voting. If these claims are true, and I'm looking at it from both sides, from the Yang side and the Trump side, put the money inside the people's hands. And that's why I did say it tongue in cheek, this is something tangible, but it is. If somebody's giving you $1,000 for your vote,

16:48 These probably the same people been targeted. I thought it was like a hundred. Was it a thousand? Well, the article says they're handing out, of course they're going to embellish and they said the article says they're handing out tens of thousands of dollars to lucky attendees. So that could be the total sum could be tens of thousands of dollars. But if I wasn't going to vote or You're gonna give me two, three, four hundred dollars to vote another way? Hey, that's... That's... More I might see for four... I'm not knocking you. I'm not... Hey, it's tangible. Of course, I'm down with that. You're right, so... But let's get back to Mr. Russ Parr and his just nasty down-talking to black people. Donald Trump gave me money. I don't care about kids in cages.

17:41 I don't care about asshole nations. I don't care that he's lining the pockets of all his rich friends. I don't care all these policies hurt me. Oh yeah, he's let a couple people out of jail. Yeah, prison reform, that's great, but you don't want to be a one issue voter, y'all. You just don't want to do that. But now you can be bought? Is that easy now? So this guy, Minister Scott, they're going around Cleveland and other places and they're saying, okay, I'm going to give you a couple hundred bucks. All you got to do is say yes, I'll vote for Donald Trump because he's done so much for black people. Yeah, well, this is, I mean, this guy is clearly, it's obvious what his position is and what movie he watches. So how did keys in cages help black people?

18:33 How did coming because he said we're one issue voters if you're taking the money, you know these you know These things are hurting you kids in cages as immigration and I'm not saying I don't could own Placing children in cages. But what I'm saying is this the topic behind it the talking point immigration? Yeah, shit whole nations immigration You know you becoming a one-time it we've been on one topic vote. I mean a voting block for forever 40 years. Yeah, I Oh now all of a sudden you get your senses together. You know why? Because he's being cut out the picture. If the cash goes straight to the people gatekeepers have no purpose anymore. Well of course, but it's I don't even know if he sees it that way. What, where does this air? What network is this syndicated? He's syndicated, so he's across

19:26 I'm out lived in Durham, North Carolina, and I lived here in Northern Virginia, and he's on stations in both areas afternoon show morning show morning show morning. This is all morning. He's like oh, it's harmful to the community and And his next clip is really gonna hurt me some people in his administration's referred to them as coloreds There are good colors and there's some bad colors Listen y'all you've got to be informed. You can't well, I can't tell you what to do, but don't take that money You're selling out you can be bought. We have to have some personal integrity We have to do the research to find out what he stands for and what he doesn't stand for The man could care less unless your name is diamond diamond and silk or maybe that pastor Scott and maybe Armstrong Williams I don't know

20:19 But he's got a few people. Herman Cain, you know, used to... 999. Yeah, he started another organization. I think it's called Black Voices for Trump. And they're doing the same thing. They're going around and they're buying votes. Okay, what was so much you color people you're offended by that but the Democrats call you people of color all day long Can I just can I just say something? I know you're mad. I know you're mad. I'm sorry. I got a bone to pick Yes since the last show I cannot stop hearing People of color I hear this everywhere and it's and I'm seeing the you know, like the former

21:04 campaign PR for Hillary Clinton Maxwell is her name she got she got the OG hair I mean beautiful woman But she's like, she keeps saying people of color, people of color. And of course, after you programmed me and everybody else, all I hear is color people. I'm like, holy crap. And then I hear, and of course we got a lot of colored people on TV lately. We got the, who's the RNC, the former RNC chair. And you know, just a lot of people walking around and I hear it all the time now. And I think, is it just Mo?

21:44 No, it can't be but I'm be how'd you like to go back to the Super Bowl? How'd you like that people of color a halftime show? I mean that there was I got a whole brown and light in the black. Yeah, I got yeah I got a hole. I got a hole bone to pick with that but yes, I'm just saying but just Yeah, you know, you know, I was thinking this could actually be the the first podcast I've ever participated in we're gonna come up with the exit strategy early on because I'm thinking, you know soon we'll have Facial recognition technology for everybody and it's coming and it's just a matter of you know Who's who's gonna pay for it? Because it does take some processing on the back end and

22:28 But everyone's so available and scannable that we'll be able to have an app, I'm gonna call it the ADOS app. And you basically just point your phone at somebody and they'll say ADOS or non-ADOS. Because this is what I'm missing. When I hear ADOS people saying people of color, I'm just, I'm confused. But maybe it's just the setting that they're in. It's working! Oh no! They've got me! Save me, Moe. So me and John Dvorak, the John Dvorak, had a little DM. And basically I told him that people of color equals non-white which equals not important.

23:19 And he agreed. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he agrees. He likes saying the blacks. That's his... Yeah, let's just lump them all together in this nice little ball that's manageable and there you go. But Mr. Russ Parr has a problem with colored people, and I'm sure he uses the term people of color. But let's listen to how he portrays Asian American people. It's the first time we get to have a month for us. Oh, well good. Yeah. Congrats. Because you guys celebrated all year. You guys. Every month. That's what you black men talk about. That's so shit. Black and everything. What? You have a black history month. Right. And you have a black and

24:06 Wait a minute, wait a minute. First off, Aileen, you're being very disgusting right now. You can't just call a prince. So this is a bit, obviously? Yes, this is a reoccurring character, Mei Ling, that works in a nail shop.

24:56 Yeah, you know, I gotta tell you, we're only 10 years apart or so. But this is, I come from the time when the radio, we had these characters, you had the crazy Chinese guy, you had, you know, I worked in New York radio, you know, you have the guy from Harlem, you'd have Mr. Leonard who was from Mars, you know, and all these, and it was, and I'm talking about late 80s, 90s, And everyone seemed kind of to laugh about themselves. That went away, so it's hard for me, I can't get mad at this, I'm like, alright, you know, there were some funny pieces of it, but eh. I'm not mad about it, I'm saying the hypocrisy of... Sure.

25:42 You know, if this was on another show that lacked melanin, it'll be forced. They were trying to cancel their advertisers. Of course. Yes, you're right. You're right. And not only this, but he also portrays black people in a very negative way on the majority of his show. I was very irked by this show, period. I could tell. Yeah. This guy really irks. But I'm going to wrap this up soon. Let's just get into clip number four. Some pastors were paid years ago to take money to influence their congregation to vote for George W. Bush. And they did. And there's, it's been proven. That's what they've done. Because a lot of y'all just listen to your pastors, you know, and say like, how am I fall you like sheep? It's okay to take this money, even though I'm going to hurt some people.

26:37 Yeah, you have a little personal gain for a moment, but the long-term effects so many people are damaged by it We have to have a mind of our own I am NOT telling you not to vote for Donald Trump But if you do your research you find out that he does not have your best interest in mind. He doesn't It's simple. That's just my opinion. You know, we're not monolithic where we all vote the same. Was it your opinion or fact, bro? But at least have an informed decision as to whose money you're going to take in order to be bribed. And I don't know how legal that is, but I guess they'll figure a way around it because

27:13 The president's above the law. We'll be at every day up on Capitol Hill. And nobody wants to hold him accountable. But you can, in November 2020, yes this year, you can hold him accountable. You can vote. That's my rant. That's his rant. Oh please. This guy, besides... I mean, I don't know if he's really influential, but as a broadcaster, he's mediocre. I mean, he's just repeating. I mean, I could do a show like that. I can do a minute of talking points and then see the great value. Tom Joyner, brother. That's what he is, but it's just that I'm not telling him not to vote for Trump and we're not a monolith since when? Right. Since when have we not been a monolith when it comes to voting? Mo, run the numbers for me again. What percentage of, and I'll say the black vote because that's what they're kind of using,

28:09 does not have to vote Democrat for basically to be all over for a Democratic candidate. Well, 2012 it was 67% turnout of the black vote. 67? Yeah, when Trump won in 2016, it was down to 59%. Right. If it stays at 59 or drops even lower, You can't make those votes up. You can't make them up. I think you were saying that really it's a matter of maybe five points. Yeah, I mean if it just stays at 59, they need it to be around 65, 67 percent to have a chance to win. That's why they lost in 2016 and that's what they don't really want to talk about. But this is why everything is people of color, people of color, people of color, you know,

27:13 The president's above the law. We'll be at every day up on Capitol Hill. And nobody wants to hold him accountable. But you can, in November 2020, yes this year, you can hold him accountable. You can vote. That's my rant. That's his rant. Oh please. This guy, besides... I mean, I don't know if he's really influential, but as a broadcaster, he's mediocre. I mean, he's just repeating. I mean, I could do a show like that. I can do a minute of talking points and then see the great value. Tom Joyner, brother. That's what he is, but it's just that I'm not telling him not to vote for Trump and we're not a monolith since when? Right. Since when have we not been a monolith when it comes to voting? Mo, run the numbers for me again. What percentage of, and I'll say the black vote because that's what they're kind of using,

28:09 does not have to vote Democrat for basically to be all over for a Democratic candidate. Well, 2012 it was 67% turnout of the black vote. 67? Yeah, when Trump won in 2016, it was down to 59%. Right. If it stays at 59 or drops even lower, You can't make those votes up. You can't make them up. I think you were saying that really it's a matter of maybe five points. Yeah, I mean if it just stays at 59, they need it to be around 65, 67 percent to have a chance to win. That's why they lost in 2016 and that's what they don't really want to talk about. But this is why everything is people of color, people of color, people of color, you know,

29:05 Oh yeah, we'll have a talk about the preparation. I think every can, I think every, I watched the Iowa caucuses very closely. I wanted to understand it and I'm glad I did because it became super entertaining. Certainly to watch broadcasters struggle for hours on end to fill time. I think I heard at least three candidates all use the people of color term. And then, subsequently, of course, I heard everywhere else that actually the caucuses are completely racist because only white people can come out on a Monday night and blah blah blah. Only black people babysit for the white people who can go out on Monday nights. Okay, fine, whatever. Like, I was like 90-something percent white.

29:47 Yeah, of course. So where's all this black swing vote that was gonna really shake things up and out? I mean, we even covered this in the last show because that's exactly where they had the People of Color Summit or whatever it was called for Vice. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So knock it off. So Let's piss me off some more. Let's do the last one. So this rant is from another rant of his and it's a convo with a Trump supporter. Alright, this following Statements that I'm about to make are not applicable to all white folks or other groups that may see their entitlement Slipping away. Oh, but I was on a flight and I was wearing my make America Barack again hat the guy asked me what it was all about was talking about it's about a better time and you can order it on up to par dotnet and this guy got I could see that he was getting a little irritated because obviously

30:47 He is not a Barack Obama fan, which I'm cool with it. But it was an intriguing conversation that we started to have. I mean, he got comfortable and very candid with a glass of wine. And he said a lot of things. And his ideology was like a white nationalist. I said, God, this guy doesn't even know that he's a white nationalist. You know, he's putting all that out there and I'm sitting there going, man. But what he said, in so many words, he says that Trump has made them realize that most whites are being discriminated against in America in favor of minorities. So first of all, this was no low, low, no information voter because clearly they're sitting in first class drinking a nice glass of wine.

31:42 So I'm going to take that with a grain of salt. So yeah, so this leads us into the real topic of the show and the topic of the show is what happens allegedly when a white person attempts to defend their perceived privilege that they have. Oh, nice. This is about me. Hold on a second. Let's roll it round and round and round, ladies and gentlemen. The Wheel of Topics, Mo Facts with Adam Curry. And we stop today on the lucky topic that is... Today we're going to talk about the concept of white fragility. White... That's the term? White fragility?

32:30 Yes, white guilt is easier to remember fragility three syllables. Hmm. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, they're not the same No, I know I know they're not Okay, I got a lot to learn. Have you heard this term before? No, no, I have not. I have not. This is new to me. I found this maybe several weeks ago and I like tucked it away. I was like, I got to look into whatever this white fragility is. One of those bookmarks. Right. It's like, is that even snowflakier than snowflake? If you're white and you're fragile? It's an aggressive fragile.

33:14 It's a certain thing. But what we have here is Miss D'Angelo. Her name is, who came up with the term? Her name is Robin J. D'Angelo. And she has a PhD in multicultural education, of course. And in a 2011 academic paper, she put forward the concept of white fragility. So this is a somewhat new term. And racial inequality is a very consistent pattern, and so is the overall white response to it, or to when that issue is raised. So what I'm doing is describing one particular common white pattern and offering an explanation, not only for how we come to have that pattern, but also how it functions. So the pattern is the defensiveness at any suggestion that racial inequality exists and that each of us is a part of it.

34:35 Hmm and that that's the only way you can define that huh so it has to be the S to be all all of the above yes, so So basically how it works is if I say hey Adam you have white privilege you say no I don't and do you say well you have white privilege and white fragility Wow I I remember the first time I was called out as having white privilege and it was a dinner party and it's mmm It's gonna be four and a half years ago maybe, and it was a professor who I respect from the University of Texas. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I'd never really heard the term, and I certainly had never been accused of, and they literally like, you have white privilege. So what? What are you talking about? You have white privilege, you can't deny that. And it was really uncomfortable.

35:34 And so I guess that's, I would have been, I would have had white fragility there. That pushback that you gave, I'm sure after you left, is like, how about currying his white fragility? Well, I wish they had said that to me then so I could have known I was violating not one but two principles of nature. Yes. So what we're going to do here is we're going to examine this term. This woman is white, this Robin DiAngelo. Yes. Yes. She's a, she's a white lady. Okay. she coined a term and then later wrote a book about the term which I think this these terms these oh that's how you get one you know you read a book about it and say oh there's this term I made it up

36:19 Yeah, so we're gonna look at how it came about, what it is, we're gonna look at a counter-argument against it, and then how it's determined a person has white fragility or not. And will this episode also give me the tools so that I can defend myself against not just falling into the white fragility trap, but against white fragility in general? Curry, goggles. Gotcha, I'm sorry, I'll shut up. All right, so let's get to the second part of that clip. The term fragility is meant to capture how little it takes to set us off. For many white people, the mere suggestion that being white has meaning will cause great umbrage. Generalizing about white people will cause great upset and umbrage. But the impact of that umbrage is not fragile at all. It functions as a very powerful way to repel the challenge and to protect the racial hierarchy.

37:23 I like this episode because I get to think a lot harder about myself. I agree with a lot of what she said in the beginning of that clip, but at the end, this protect the white hierarchy, no, fuck no, not for a second. I don't give a shit about that. I remember being accused of white privilege for the first time, so it's in my mind and I did not think of, oh, I have to protect the hierarchy. None of that. So that's just, not with me at least, you know, I'm not your typical white guy, But no, and that's why I wanted with this show to bounce his idea off and this is typically these terms are bounced between two white people. Oh, yeah, totally totally I have obviously I've never heard this term so I can't use it and I've never heard a person of Any color? Whoa, you were going there. You stopped yourself in time, but you know, I

38:18 I was gonna say a person and I was gonna say it cuz I was thinking about not just black people I have never heard cuz I mean I work with a bunch of different ethnicities. I haven't heard correction I call it person use that term so it's like where did this come from? I read. I mean, why don't you be like par and just call them coloreds? Come on, man. You can do that. Yeah. So I'm in, I'm in the loop and I've never heard it. And when I heard it, I was like, Holy crap. What, what is this term that she just used? I mean, it wasn't even her. It was, uh, I forgot where I heard it. I heard it in another clip. It was like a pundit talking to whatever. So I jotted it down. I'm sure it's out there. I'm sure that this, I'm sure it's out there. I'm sure people are talking about it.

39:07 But this goes back to the real black people or the real people and real whatever fill in the blank person that's non-white. We don't use terms like this. This is stuff that's circled around, you know, in the upper crust academia society and it's like, you know, contemplating my white fragility and I just really need to do more to give back to the black community. Yeah, I think these types of terms and concepts, I think,

39:42 hurt everybody. I don't think it's good. I don't think it has any positive. Awareness is always good. I think a lot of people are, you know, oh this person's racist or whatever, you know, ignorance is, uh, I've discovered through, you know, just my friendship with you that's ignorance. I just didn't know, you know, so there's a lot of things that may come across as racist but purely ignorance. And there's got to be some something in your heart or soul's got to be there for it to truly be racist and then so you get these kind of compensation terms. So let's just revisit my definition of racism, which is just a form of nepotism. That's how I see racism. So if you say, Adam, you know, you got your job because your dad's the CEO of the company.

40:31 Of course you're going to rebut that and be like, what? I work hard for whatever position I have in this company. It's not just because my dad gave it to me. So that would be a form of not white fragility, but that was like nepotism fragility. Because it's like, you're invalidating all the work I've done and just saying simply because of what I am and not who I am, I got this spot. Right, and it's purely an assumption. Right, so that's, I can understand the pushback, but it's like a trap. Yeah. Because when you say somebody has a privilege, yeah. And then you say, no, I don't. Of course they're gonna... It's like, boom! Oh yeah, nailed him! Ah, shit, I fell into that one. It's like a Lucy in the football, twice. It's a twofer. It's like, yeah, you have privilege and fragility. So yeah. Boom, boom. Yeah, left and a hook. Which is a perfect trap. I mean, if that's what you set it up to be. Totally.

41:29 So let's get into the third and final clip of this segment. In your research, and I read the first few chapters of White Fragility, not all of it, do you think most white people are racist without realizing it? Yes. I don't think it's possible to avoid absorbing racist worldview and racist biases because they are circulating 24-7 in the culture. They're in the language. They're in the institutions. They're in the media and the film. They're in the overwhelmingly white teaching force and curriculum and the the centering of a white worldview but positioning it as a universal human worldview. Ash? So what word she had missing from there is white supremacy and that makes people recall because it's like, I am not a white supremacy denier. I believe it exists

42:26 But just like racism, I think people don't understand these terms they use and they use them incorrectly. And it does nobody any good to throw these terms around because it really weakens the term. So I want to go back to a throwback clip just so we can define define what exactly white supremacy is. Well, we are under a system of white supremacy. That's the most powerful government that the world has ever seen. And that's the title of it, by the way. It doesn't go by any other title, even though we sometimes call it by other titles. But the accurate title for the government that we are under is in capital letters, the System of White Supremacy.

43:18 Worldwide, it's just one world government and that's the only government in town, the only government on the planet that really counts, that is worthy of having the title of government. Yeah, I love this clip. I think it's a true MoFax classic. I'm glad you brought that back again. That was Fuller, right? Yes. So when we talk about this thing, I want to make sure we use the correct definition Some people call it the Illuminati, some people call it, you know, other... A new world order, is he saying? New world order, that's another one. Liberal world order. Yep. So, but what these secret societies or whatever you want to call them are based off of are really bloodlines, correct? Yep. So, I think we define whiteness wrong.

44:19 and we don't understand the origins of race. No, excellent point. So I have Miss Danielle Bainbridge from PBS and she's gonna give us some history on the origins of race in the US. But these racial categorizations didn't always neatly align with skin tone. In his book, Whiteness of a Different Color, European Immigrants and the Alchemy of Race, historian Matthew Jacobson notes that in the US, white or Caucasian was not always considered a unified race composed of anyone of European descent. Whiteness was often considered exclusive to Anglo-Saxon descendants, while

45:00 Other European groups were broken into different ethnic categories such as Celt, Slavs, Iberics, and Hebrews, which were considered separate races from the 1840s to the early 20th century. But in the 1920s, when there was a stemming of immigration from Europe, These different races were subsumed into one category called whiteness to shore up a cultural majority against other racial groups and immigrants. And this persisted throughout the 20th century. So how does it all add up? Well, race started as a marker of kinship, but then we see it shift to become less about familial inheritance and more focused on physical indicators due to the rise of enlightenment reasoning and labor exploitation. But where does that leave us today?

45:43 Yeah, this reminds me. I want you to delve into that this reminds me of a story which that Barack Obama Through bloodlines is related to George W Bush Which which technically is passing for white or could pass for white. Yes. I mean we want to use the term of passing and it's a couple things she said in that clip. One, she said whiteness or the term white was created to shore up a racial majority. Doesn't that sound eerily similar to what we're going through now with colored people?

46:29 You're killing me Mo. Yes, that's exactly what it is. Of course, this is beautiful. And so then you have people wanting to pass into whiteness. We talked about before, it wasn't about my origin or my bloodlines. This is interesting because going back to what What's-Her-Face said, Robin D'Angelo, who said protecting the hierarchy. Well, I can see where she may have a point there if you're talking about bloodline hierarchy. But of course, that doesn't make me white then because I don't have the bloodline hierarchy. But once you were lumped into that racial majority, it allows you certain privileges to move without being accosted. We're talking about

47:24 Right after slavery or during slavery. We're not talking about now. Yeah, so if you appear and a lot of black people that passed Jagger Hoover, you know, he was allowed to move if he was seen as a black man He was doing what he was doing and for spying on people in areas. He wouldn't got that far. No Not certainly not in the day. No, so he took advantage of passing to take advantage of that privilege, right? But it's a very fluid thing. And when we say white, most people don't even understand what that means. It means that you're part of a superior class. And the closest thing that we have to white nowadays that still exists is the monarchy in Great Britain. That is literally white. And even

48:20 You know who I'm talking about. Megxit. Megan Markel. She couldn't pass to be white. Right. Even though she was up here to be... I mean, if you didn't... That's why she had to go. Had to get rid of her. Right, or she couldn't, yeah, she couldn't pass. She couldn't handle it. She couldn't pass. She didn't pass the passing test. So you gotta go. Because it wasn't about skin color. I mean, it may have, on the surface maybe, but no, it was like, you don't come from this right. And then. Standing in life. Yeah. And then the queen went, hold on a second. That redhead isn't one of ours either. Get him out. Both of them couldn't pass. Yeah, no way.

49:05 So that tell you why is a very exclusive club? The tech the real textbook technical right if you could do me a favor Could you play like the last 20 30 seconds of clip number 13 one more time? I just want to define what we're talking about when we say when I say white. Okay, the last 30 seconds Sure thing. Celt, Slavs, Iberics, and Hebrews, which were considered separate races from the 1840s to the early 20th century. But in the 1920s, when there was a stemming of immigration from Europe, these different races were subsumed into one category called whiteness to shore up a cultural majority against other racial groups and immigrants. And this persisted throughout the 20th century. So how does it all add up?

49:53 Well, race started as a marker of kinship, but then we see it shift to become less about familial inheritance and more focused on physical indicators due to the rise of enlightenment reasoning and labor exploitation. But where does that leave us today? So when I say that term, I'm talking about familiar inheritance, which Barack Obama is by that definition white. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and a Meghan Markle is not or even a Prince Harry is not white. Correct.

50:31 So I just want to lay things out. It's a mind bender, but yeah, these are the two definitions. But this is exactly what happens over the ages. And it doesn't even take that long. The meanings change, they get kind of smoothed over, becomes an acceptable term, someone throws something out there, it sticks, and then before you know it, it's all changed. And words matter, man, words matter. That's just like when you say black. Yeah. Black 30 years ago meant something totally different. Yep. then it means now. You have to have a, but I digress, but I just wanted to lay that out. So when we talk about the term white, we understand what we're saying and what people have proximity to and trying to align themselves with. It's not a pigment of your skin or a color of your skin. It's this power structure that people want to tap into. But

51:28 One guy that always tells the truth is Mr. Dick Gregory, and I don't have to ask you if you know who Mr. Dick Gregory is. Of course I know, of course I love Dick Gregory, of course. Kidding me. So Dick Gregory is gonna explain white supremacy versus white privilege. One of the things a lot of people are commenting on after watching your videos, they want to know what your thoughts are on the difference between white supremacy and white privilege. White supremacy? People that got white privilege get killed by white supremacy. People that got white privilege still have to go to the military. The big folks don't go. White supreme. They just break the word down. I'm white and I'm supreme.

52:13 It didn't say supreme to niggas. I'm supreme to anybody who ain't my blood. It's simple. It's a good question you ask. And thank God you shut up long enough to hear an answer. One of the last YouTube videos I remember is just when that first came out, people like, what man? Who is this guy? I'm like, yeah. that's dickreger and he always beats up on the interviewer i mean that's like yeah that's his trademark so but as he said it's about bloodline they have no pity of sending poor

52:55 quote-unquote, and I'm gonna use this term because I use it for blacks, quote-unquote white people to go die for whatever reason. You know, I mean they just, whatever, it's like it furthers, you know, I won't send my son a dark, some do, but majority no, no we're above that, we don't do that. And I hope at the end of this podcast, hopefully it doesn't take that long, but we realize that we're all in the same boat. Exactly. Unless you're Supreme. If you're out there and you're Supreme, you should stop listening. It's only going to get worse.

53:32 I'll use that privilege to spread the word. But Dick Gregory's doing such a great job. Let's let him continue. Because the answer is in the name. Huh? I say to my children, that's one of the richest men in the world. They don't have to ask why. It's in what I told them. Huh? In what I told them. Queen a little bit see white ain't a color most of y'all ain't never met a white person white person. They never met a white person White's not a color is attitude And if you ain't got trillions of dollars in the bank, you can't have the attitude Here's the thing I've actually met her Really? Yeah, I met the Queen. Yes. I met her at the palace. You didn't know that I

54:30 I did not, I learned something new every show. Wow. Yeah, they picked me up and they actually, if you look at, you know, Buckingham Palace. Right through the front gates and now I was not the only person it was for it was for the relaunch of her royal highness's website But still it was it was only like a handful wasn't I wasn't like hundreds of people and I was in the line and yeah, and I said hi and I and I had already Decided I was gonna look her straight in the eye and I was not gonna bow right now She's standing on a box because she's four feet nine or something and and I shake her hand his glove and

55:09 And I'd look her in the eye and you know what I saw? Slits? Nothing man. Dark. Just nothing. Nothing at all. I was looking to see if the eyes would like go reptile, but they didn't. That's why I was saying slits. No, I know, I know. I know what you're saying. For the people out there that don't know. So you're one of the few people to actually met a real white person? An actual white person, yes. And severely unimpressive to be honest. I mean, I don't want to insult anybody, but I wasn't like, whoo, this has got some sheen. I mean, Steve Jobs, Quincy Jones, I put those way higher on the list than the Queen. Now I'm about to blow your mind here. All right.

55:55 You could tell that story in a different way and use your proximity to whiteness to become supreme well to Use the privilege and I can you know what now? Oh, no, I can say yes, and I deserve that privilege. I'm gonna put you in your place Okay, this is an unexpected twist all right. I'm ready So now we're starting to get the people use these terms do it's not white for Julie that was made up but um white privilege white supremacy these things do exist but people don't have them we were accusing the wrong people of having it that that's the real problem and if we use the right people then we could get the those people out of power and we can make the world a better place. Yeah, exactly.

56:51 So, we have Mr. D. Ray McKesson from Black Lives Matter and Little Blue Vest fame. He's going to give his take on whiteness, white supremacy and privilege. What's the difference between whiteness and white supremacy? White supremacy is a system that says that white people are the norm, are normative, are worth more and are valued at the expense of others. And we think about a culture that that idea spawns, that is whiteness. And then we think about white people as people who benefit from the system of white supremacy, whether they participate in it actively or not. And part of this work is about helping people understand that allies and accomplices are people who understand the work, they understand that there's an issue. And understanding white privilege says that I get that I participate in a dominant culture and I benefit from a system of white supremacy, whether I've done something supremacist or not. And that is like a personal recognition.

57:48 Right. Yes, it's all wrong. Yes No kidding That's why I wanted to play these two clips back to black back to back so you can hear One guy say most white people don't know a white person and this guy said oh, it's the norm. No, it's not That's what make no. No, it's not the norm in the sense of how he sang it and That's what makes them special. That's what makes people curtsy and not trust them. Yes, thank you. You've just answered one of my biggest questions. I did not expect this. One of my big questions having lived in the Netherlands, the kingdom of the Netherlands, having lived in the kingdom, the United Kingdom of the Queens and Elizabeths and all that, I've always wondered

58:41 Why do seemingly rational people who have who speak of science and you know hate you know billionaires and all why do they Kowtow to these ugly people who live in the biggest houses in the middle of your cities with funny hats and say oh, it's just tradition because they truly are the privilege they are the supreme white beings and Thank you. Why are they the privilege? The blood! The blood. The lineage. Yep. That's right. That's what you're respecting. That's right. And thank you again, I gotta remember this, you're respecting the bloodline. And then I can always throw in of the lizard people or whatever, I can say Illuminati or I could throw in something else. But yeah, and yeah. Yes.

59:43 Thank you, Mo. This has been great. And so what people do is they say, well, I kind of look like them. So therefore, you must be just like him. And as we know, my personal experience is these people are nothing like us. Not like me and not like you. And they'll tell you that. Oh yeah, they'll make sure you know just the way they treat you. Don't touch me. Just imagine a human being is like, no, you cannot touch me. That's the ultimate privilege. It's like you don't even, you gonna hand me something, put a glove on that nasty, uh, commoner hand of yours. Commoner. Yes. Nice. Wow. So then what happened, man? Went, I guess they were really smart and they said, Hey, I know. Well, that's kind of what that previous clip said. I know we'll be able to operate out in the open, full secret out in the open by making everybody else white.

1:00:41 And let's bring it to modern day times, when you have this hodgepodge of different shades of brown people. See, they would love to say brown people. Let's just call them black. Oh no, they can't say that. Colored people. They can't say black, they can't say brown because these things mean something. We could say colored people. So they need to come up with a term. to create a political majority. That's what they said, the reason why they brought a lot of the immigrants in, European immigrants in. We're doing the same thing. The left is just repeating what happened in previous history. That's all we're doing. So let's let DeRay Kessin finish up.

1:01:27 We want people to take that personal recognition a step further and say, like, what are the systemic things that actually create this privilege in the first place? And we want them to fight at that level. That's what accomplices do. But I wanted to, you know, I tweet a lot this phrase, watch whiteness work. So if you were to just summarize in like a sentence, what is your message to the white community and white people? White people got to organize themselves, have to join solidarity work with people of color. and have to use personal experiences to think about how systems allow privilege to manifest at the personal level. Yeah. Why would they want to do that? It makes no sense. Wow. True white people. True white people. What are we talking about? True white people. D. Ray McKesson is clearly a white supremacist. He's in on the game. He's funded by them. He's in on the game. He's funded by a

1:02:22 White person Soros. Yeah, there you go. That's what I'm saying. It's obvious Oh, this is yeah, this is just he's propped up to say. Oh, yeah, we're doing something Yeah, but they know it's not gonna be effective, but it's like we have to do something So I know we're everybody saying well, I thought we're gonna talk about white fragility. Yeah, we that's what we're talking about now I'm not complaining. I'm having a good time. I'm liking it. I'm just saying we have to lay out the term one White it's two words white and then fragility. So we've defined the white part. Yes, or Demystified it because people use that term completely wrong. But now we're gonna get into the fragility part all right, so I was listening to one of my favorite YouTube channels essence and They had a thing about fighting racism and white supremacy in the air on Trump era and they had some tweets about

1:03:20 that kind of define what white fragility sounds like. Keep it moving 1114 wrote most tell me slavery is over and why am I still so angry some white people don't realize that they still benefit from the wealth of their ancestors and nay by nature said simply they just Don't get it. Whoo. Hmm. Those are some really interesting comments. What are you all? So these are people interacting with quote-unquote white people and they're experiencing

1:04:08 the pushback of white fragility against them when they call them out. So that's what you just heard. So now we're going to get into debunking the myths white people tell about race. I'll never forget a moment of standing beside a black man leading a workshop on race and a white woman said to him, I don't see color. He said, well then how are you going to see racism? Because I am black. I do think you know that. And I have a different experience than you do. And you're not going to be able to understand that and you're not going to be able to support the parts of that experience that are really painful and problematic if you refuse to acknowledge my reality.

1:04:52 I don't see color as really a way of saying I refuse to acknowledge your reality. Yeah, well, again, I think it's just ignorance. And it comes from a defensive, you know, as a white person amongst white people, you're on the defensive all the time. But wouldn't, isn't that what Dr. King was pushing for? I'm not naive. But what I'm saying is if you use the left rhetoric and their... No, of course. The way they use Dr. King as a control mechanism, we talked about this on the MLK show. He's using it as a control mechanism so it's like, you know, one world and we all want to be judged by content in our character and not the color of our skin. So wouldn't the goal to be not to see color

1:05:53 I would judge you off of who you are, how you talk, how you carry yourself, you know, off your capabilities and qualifications. Yeah, well, okay, let me try this one on for size. Okay. Because a white person or just say, you know, a light-skinned person, in the context of what we're talking about, you know, what people would call a white person. A white person. In that context, with Martin Luther King, It sounds like it's a good idea. It's like, okay, I heard that by the color of his skin, but by the... by his character. And so it's a logical leap, but...

1:06:40 That means that you figured it out, you know, so we had to put you back in your place Whitey We got to say no. No, no, you can't figure out that the color doesn't matter. So we got to give you something This is a long-term Propaganda of terms it where people start using something then we got to push it down again because we found it's I think it's ultimately all about control I totally agree And the control mechanism is we have to keep one group in their victimization mentality. And in order to do that, you have to label them a color, them self-identify as that color. And then you have to get the white people to buy in and say, no, no, no, no, no. You cannot not see them as a color for this scheme to work. Wrong again, Whitey. Moe, you have to be black. Yeah.

1:07:33 by the definition that we label black or a colored person or colored, however you want to call it. And then you have Adam, you have to be white. I'm white. And you have to see the colors. Yes. For this whole, we can't come together and have this conversation. No, no, this is bad. No, no, I got to see it. This is bad, bad, bad. I got to constantly be reminded. Yeah. So. Yeah, it's despicable really. And even a black friend won't save you. What's important about that narrative is it reveals what the person thinks racism is. So if the person is using proximity, fondness across race as evidence of a lack of racism, in order for that to be good evidence, a racist must not be able to do that. So that rests on an understanding that a racist cannot tolerate proximity to people of color.

1:08:29 And I'm hoping that we can see that's pretty absurd because trust me even about races can tolerate being around people of color and often are So here's what I often say I said I do a podcast with a black man. I mean don't have the camera on or anything, but I do the podcast with him This is really embarrassing to hear some of this stuff The knots people twist themselves in on all sides just to conform with the fucking control mechanism. It's mind-blowing. I hadn't really thought about it this deeply. Well, I found this interesting product that you can get, Adam, when you find yourself in that situation. It's called Racism Insurance. Oh! Well, this is groovy. I can barely afford health insurance. Now I need racism insurance?

1:09:28 Well, there's a ISO or a jingle that tells you exactly what that is. Oops, I was raised as black. I come here. Thank God for racism insurance. There when you need it most. Racism insurance. When you find yourself in that jam, that's all you gotta do. Racism insurance. Have you ever seen Kentucky Fried Movie? No, I haven't. Yeah, if you have a chance, watch that on Netflix one of these days and then we should talk about it. Some interesting scenes in there. Just remind me of the racism insurance. I don't want to blow the scene, but yeah. Right, right, right. But yeah, when the black friend won't work, yeah, go out and run out and get yourself some racism insurance.

1:10:17 Right on, I'm about racism insurance. So she goes on to say that it's actually race that divides us. First of all, we're already divided by race. And focusing on race is not what did it. I would say not focusing on race, refusing to grapple with how race shapes virtually everything is what keeps us divided. And that is a very white narrative. All of those narratives function to get race off the table, close the expiration, exempt the person from any further engagement, and protect the racial hierarchy and the white position with it, which is an unequal hierarchy. The challenge I want to offer my fellow white people is changing the question from if to how. So dominant culture asks, if I'm racist, and I want to change that question to how

1:11:12 How have I been shaped by the forces of racism? Well, now she threw a curveball at the end. I thought it was going to be, how am I racist? But then it was, hold on a second, she said something completely different. I wasn't expecting that. It became a whole exercise. Hold on, let me see the end here. To how have I been shaped by the forces of racism? How have I been shaped by the forces of racism? Translation, how have you been made racist? Oh, by other white people? Yeah. Telling me so. So I want to make it clear.

1:11:49 And one of these long drives, I mean I had to watch so many seminars and retraining, re-education, Jesus Christ. No, I rarely hear you take the Lord's name in vain. Man, I was like, oh is it gonna ever end? I thought I was gonna have white fragility there for a minute from the re-education that she was doing. It's sick. I mean they have these people in these rooms, they're a buy-in. This by the way, I put a pin in this one. He said I would love to do a show if we can pull it together about training diversity training You know the corporate stuff. It's Every company has it and I think there's a lot there that Could be really good but a lot that could be damaging for all

1:12:42 And this is the type of person they would bring in. She wrote a book on it and is... Yeah, what was her name? I actually watched it. Her name is... Why did you have to ask me again? Sorry. D'Angelo. Oh, that was the same woman, Robin D'Angelo? Yes. Oh, okay. This is all Robin. That's all her? This is all her. She's a troublemaker. Yeah, so they bring her in and she does these re-education... Oh, she does! Wow, re-education camp? Yes! Oh, great. That's because what she's saying is you have to identify how you're being made braces and then we need to...

1:13:23 Rewiring basically that's that's the whole gist of this whole thing. Well, yeah, that's what the term means re-education sure yeah, so of course I scoured the Internet to find the counter argument and I found mr. Paul dr. Paul Maxwell let me give you a little bio on him It says, Dr. Paul Maxwell, PhD, explores the intersection of theology, psychology, and politics Marketing professional expert is celebrity franchise branding tech publishing nonprofit and higher education And most of all he's a podcaster. Well, now I know who it is. Yeah, sure, right? Well, well, we're people when you Google him. I Need to give you this this disclaimer dr. Paul Maxwell zero

1:14:21 Now, you probably think, listen, I'm kind of bald, you know, I kind of look like a skinhead, like, where's this guy going, right? Like, listen, I'm not about to go on some, like, white rights pro-white rant. I'm not, okay? Yeah, I so I did look him up and okay. Yeah, I can see what's this guy doing? Yeah. Yeah. Just natural reflex. I was like, well, let me let me see what what as I do pay attention to everything that was your bias. You were you were judging by the thickness of his hair as usual. Well, no.

1:14:57 the baldness of his scalp, to be more specific. But he's trying to give a person, people, a mental image of who we're talking about before you Google him while you listen to the show. If you've ever seen the movie Higher Learning, He looks like the character Remy from Higher Learning, which was a skinhead. I'm just telling you, just honest opinion. When I saw him, I was like, okay. But I was like, okay, I'm gonna hear this guy out, because that's what we do here, right? We hear both sides. And he has a very interesting take on white fragility in 1.1. So we will begin by talking about a particular book. This is a book by sociologist Robin J. D'Angelo, and she writes in her book called White Fragility, Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism.

1:15:50 and she's a white female, and DiAngelo writes that white people are so dazzled by their whiteness that their own regular, normative, explicit, and implicit reasons for violence against racial minorities are actually camouflaged to them, so they almost can't even conceive of themselves as racist. But not only are these racist practices camouflaged to whites, but when these practices are brought under the stage lights through conversation or reading or cultural messaging, and when they are diagnosed or highlighted and challenged by minority culture,

1:16:27 Such that white cultures enchantment with its own whiteness is threatened that they resort to denial tactics which refortify their enchantment with whiteness and center their own whiteness and recenter their own whiteness as the cultural center and the cultural norm and recast minority ethnicity and culture as it as marginal and exotic it makes you sound psychotic really if you hear the way it's being explained and Well, they use another word besides psychotic and we're gonna get to that. But I have a question for you, Adam. When's the last time you've been dazzled by your whiteness? Well, let me tell you, Mo. In fact, no. Just today, my wife and I were taking our dancing lesson. I looked in the mirror because it's a dance studio and I thought, wow, you dance like an idiot. Yeah, no. Of course not dazzled by whiteness. Crap.

1:17:26 Who use these terms man these terms, but it's just fascinating, but isn't that just projection I'm sure I mean I see this picture of her I immediately have all kinds of preconceived notions about her I just I don't like her just the way she looks it's like one of those people like okay one of these troublemaker I know exactly what you say mean when you say one of these because she is the and I want to use lack of better work stereotypical What was her profession? PhD in multicultural education. I was just about to look her up. I said, I'll bet you it was like political science with a, you know, with a diversity minor or something. It's so obvious. Yeah, I mean, just the look. I mean, and we're not judging people on looks. It's like when you see a person, like, oh yeah, that makes sense. That's what this whole show is about. Of course we're judging people on looks. Don't fool yourself.

1:18:26 Well, not their look, but the way they fit into a stereotypical role. Yeah, PhD in multicultural education from the University of Washington with a dissertation entitled Whiteness in Racial Dialogue, a Discourse Analysis. Alright, so let's just go straight into 1.2. Okay, so in other words, D'Angelo makes two simultaneous claims. One, whites are peculiarly mentally weak, especially when it comes to race. And two, she's able to make individual psychiatric diagnoses of individual whites by using their race as a proxy.

1:19:11 for diagnosis. Three, she is licensing anyone who drinks the Kool-Aid of this white privilege concept to extend that diagnosis to individuals with whom they converse who actually happen to disagree with them about this issue of white fragility or race or white privilege or so on and so forth. So it's a lose-lose. Yes, of course it is. It's the whole point. Yeah, and one thing I failed to mention here Even in her talks or speeches or whatever else, she's not talking to your Trump supporter.

1:19:50 Oh no. She's not talking to your idealistic Trump. Let me clarify that. She's not talking to what you picture in your mind. You would think like somebody with a MAGA hat on. No, quite the opposite. She's talking to liberals. Thank you. You're Elizabeth Warren voter. You're Bernie voter. You're Pete Buttigieg voter. And yes, you're Biden voter. Sure, so that's who she's talking about cuz she's saying all y'all and she even said it in one of hers It was unclipable because I would have brought it if it was but it was like in a roundabout way She was like you guys are really the biggest problem because you say you don't have it, right? I got black friends. I live in proximity What what what did you raise you? What are you even thinking of saying? right, right, so

1:20:42 That's who she's talking to that's her audience is this is not you know she's not going to middle America with this conversation She's well. Well hold on I put this in the show notes She did for the University of Kentucky That's the South mm-hmm a two-hour racial justice keynote and breakout session in March of 2019 excluding travel expenses, housing accommodations, and meals, she also got $12,000. So maybe we shouldn't mock this too much and we should figure out how we can get in on it? I'm thinking of... Oh, money ain't good money. A racial justice podcast with breakout session. We'll come up with something, Mo. I think we can. Oh wait! Maybe people could consider donating to the show.

1:24:13 Paul uses, but let's listen to him. accurately perceive the extent to which their racist prejudice against minorities is baked into their own worldview. White people are, in this presentation, philosophically and specularly handicapped by their own race about their own race. So, D'Angelo appeals to her own academic authority as a sociologist to fortify this claim that whites are epistemologically handicapped relative to other races.

1:24:51 And it is on this assumption of white philosophical short-sightedness or handicap that programs such as racial bias training and implicit bias training have been suggested as cures to perceived racism among whites. Yes, it's very similar, as I was thinking about this, to something known as the self-hating, the self-loathing Jew. Very similar in definition. But you're missing the opportunity here, Adam. Yes. You get another merit badge. Of course. You're handicapped. Wow. According to this, this is a disability. So I mean, you move up on the ladder. Which by itself in an odd way is again advancing the white man over everybody else.

1:25:45 Even as a victim, I'm a better victim than you. You've just realized the whole... I'm glad you walked right into that realization without me even having to say it. Well, you know, I had the goggles off. You justify what they're doing is, excuse my white privilege because I have a disability. Okay, I love I'm gonna use that too. I'm so sorry. I have a disability. I have white privilege No, no your disability is the white fragility. No, of course, of course. So when people say oh, yeah you have a God does again Adam. Do you realize you have white privilege? I don't have white privilege. I

1:26:39 Oh, you're showing signs of white fragility, Adam. I know. I'm so sad about this status. I can't even do it. Yeah, I'm disabled. I need a parking sticker for the handicap zone. I'm sorry, disabled. Disabled. Yeah, but no, no, this, what I'm saying, this is how sick that they can just label Whatever and we're saying this in jest, but it's a really it's a sign of sickness what they're what she's doing here to say oh I I know my privilege, but you know and I might get irked if you remind me of it, but that's a disability. Isn't it great?

1:27:31 I was sitting back like, wow, you just, wow. Why? You think I, I'm a low information voter, Mo. Just let me, lead me along. I'll go right to the water. Right. So now, so now you can go get your, uh, my badge. Yeah. You can get your badge and your, and your sticker. I mean, there you go. But I'm making that analogy because to say that to somebody that actually has a real problem, It really has a disability. How insulting is that? It irks me. But you know what it is? It's a version of it, and I haven't fleshed it out yet, but emotional support animals has something to do with this somehow. Versus real specialized dogs.

1:28:28 That's exactly what it is. And people take advantage of that and so they're literally using their bullshit emotional support and look, if people have real emotional problems, some of them have animals for that, they're trained specifically, it's ADA compliant, I've studied this from backwards and forwards. But no, no, no, I have emotional problems, here's my dog, and now I get to board early and take my dog with me. That's the exact manifestation of this mentality. So I'm guessing you're asking, well how do you spot white fragility and is there a cure?

1:29:14 Programs such as racial bias training and implicit bias training have been suggested as cures to perceived racism among whites. And this is how scientists have begun to quantify racial prejudice among whites, to give them a test that shows them several dozen black and white images of faces of various races on the screen, right? And classified an ability to distinguish between the faces of participants' own race versus faces of races to which the participant didn't belong, okay? So, any extended delay in the participant's ability to distinguish between other race faces was classified as social stereotype and therefore a low score on what they called the affective lexical priming score. So, in other words, if you're a few milliseconds slow on distinguishing black faces from one another, you're a racist.

1:30:11 Oh, man. Well, you know that AI is completely racist. All the algorithms have trouble with black faces, dark skin tone. So it's all racist. Racist computers. I'm sure you're wondering what is implicit bias testing? Oh, yes. Believe me, I want to know. So I had to do some digging. I had to go real deep. And I found this Dateline NBC episode from 2007. Nice. This is how old this thing is. Now wait, do you think this was being released around the time that Barack Obama was running for president, I guess? Just for context. I think there's a correlation there, sir. Okay, all right.

1:31:06 So, implicit association test one. You may be saying, not me, I'm not prejudiced. But is it possible that virtually all of us have a hidden racial bias, hidden even from ourselves? That's exactly what this test is designed to uncover. Here's how it works. These words and faces appear rapidly, one after another around the screen. The test taker is supposed to link each one to the left or right box here in the center, linking positive words like friend to good, negative words like awful to bad, white faces with white, black faces with black. And it's the mistakes that are so revealing.

1:31:55 I had another thought while this was going. I'll just tell you because it just came out. This show, and I don't know, we'll make, who knows how many we'll make, but up until now you could take these 24 episodes, bundle them, nice leather binder, you know, gold inlay, and sell them as educational courses. I'm thinking, you know, if you really want to know about racism, white supremacy, listen to this kids, and then put the kids in the classroom, let them listen. Then I'd say, you know, a thousand bucks a school. I think it'd be far more effective than whatever they're propagating and pushing on them now. Yes, sirree. So, when I saw this segment, a connective happening happening in my brain, have you heard of the show Watchmen on HBO? Yes. I started, it started a while ago. I remember watching the first episode and at that moment,

1:32:59 I was just like, this shit's just too stressful for me, I'll come back to it later. And I haven't gotten back to it. But I have heard people ranting and ranting. Great, you saw the first episode. I did, yeah. If you saw the first episode, you saw... a dramatization of the implicit bias testing. And this is probably why it bothered me, Moe. I hadn't even thought about it that way. You remember when the guy with the mirror mask took the white supremacists in the pod and they had the pictures flashing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes. That was a dramatization of the implicit bias test. They're feeding this stuff into

1:33:44 Right, they're mainlining it man. Right into your brain, right into the cranium. So let me back up a little bit. Now I have to watch this piece of shit, thanks. So Watchmen in the show, they had had this terrorist attack or whatever and they rounded up all these supposed white supremacists and they put them in this like circle room and on the walls they're showing all these polarizing Racial images and the guys asking this guy questions like are you a racist? Are you a white supremacist? Are you a member of like I forgot the name of the group 7 Calvary or whatever which is like basically the KKK right and like he's taking notes while he's asking these questions. That's basically how implicit bias testing works.

1:34:31 In a roundabout way, but when I saw when I saw this Dateline NBC special, that's where you put it all together. There Yeah, excuse my language, but yeah, I'm like wow like they're pumping this stuff into entertainment well You know what's interesting and when I'm very what you can be very proud of we both can be proud of is that I? My response was of rejection and I don't know what else was going on But I sat down specifically to watch it and I have time sometimes during the day, you know I'm gonna watch an hour or something and And I remember turning it on and it was that was my thought stressful and you know I wasn't completely into the story, but I think because of this podcast and

1:35:18 My outlook in general, but this podcast definitely has given me some kind of weaponry against this propaganda. I rejected it out of hand and hadn't gone back to it. Now, of course, I have to watch the whole thing, the whole series. But that is... I didn't see the whole series. I didn't see it. Oh, no. Now, let me do it. I'll jump on that grenade. Thank you. Because it was like, oh, you're trying to prod me and manipulate me, and I don't do the... trauma-based entertainment. But only reason I watched it because one, it was free HBO that weekend. And two, somebody had, this is how the DMs work. And I implore people, please.

1:36:05 reach out to me on social media because I love that back and forth. I can't promise you a two-hour conversation, but just a couple of back and forth. Somebody said you need to watch Watchmen because they talk about Tulsa, the bombing back when Black Wall Street. So that's what drew me in. I was like, I want to see how they use this historical event You know, and I was not, you know, I was not surprised how they propagandized it, but... I want to share this anecdote about Washington. Go ahead. I was in the bookstore, and it's a very good bookstore that we have here in Austin. It's called Goodreads, I think. Is it Goodreads? No, not Goodreads. That's Austin Bookstore. I don't know. It's next to Whole Foods, people. And so I'm in there.

1:36:57 I'm looking for something that wasn't out for a gift and I am and I hear this couple young couple so, you know, probably early mid-20s and he says did you hear that? They're not gonna come back with another series of Watchmen and she was like, oh my god That's why why why why well the producer and I heard this now it's like oh Wow, that sounds like a show I absolutely don't want to watch if these two dickheads are so upset about it being cancelled. I mean, that sounds horrible. And now I understand. These were the zombies. The programmed zombies were there. Lucky that they didn't scratch me. They were right there. Mm-hmm. They almost got you.

1:37:39 Yeah, this is really good. Alright, alright, alright. That's a lot of sidetracking but worth it. Thank you. I wanted to point that out how they feed this stuff into pop culture. But let's get back to implicit test two. Dateline put this experiment to a difficult challenge, testing a cross section of men and women, including some who have impeccable credentials in race relations. People like Rhonda, a civil rights attorney. Okay, I'm right okay here it is during the first half of the test right black is linked to bad and white is linked to good Right for Rhonda this half of the test is a breeze. She never makes a mistake left Okay, very good now. We'll give you the other one But let's see how she does when the information is reversed when the left box marked bad is

1:38:34 has a white face and the right box labeled good has a black face. Suddenly the test becomes much more difficult for Rhonda. About a third of the way through she makes a mistake linking the white face to the right box even though that shows a black face. I lost it. Rhonda's score indicates a strong preference for white. Is this because she unconsciously associates white with good? Oh wow. And that's the basis of your test right there. I wonder what the science is, the neuroscience is behind that. Wow, okay.

1:39:18 They're just flashing pictures, good, bad, and then they do a reverse order. Oh, you missed one. Racist. Right. And Rhonda was she was distraught. She's like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm a racist. I can't believe I thought black was bad. And there's your exit strategy right there, Adam. Instead of your app, yeah, implicit bias app. It's like a Tinder. Yeah, oh, with a Tinder element. I like it, Mo. I like it. All right, let's finish the show up so we can start working on the design.

1:39:55 All right. Implicit test three. And as revealing as those results are, the biggest surprise is yet to come. Left, left. Joan is a sales and marketing consultant. Even for many black test takers, the more challenging part of the test seems to be when black is associated with good and white with bad. Okay. Didn't get halfway through. We'll start over. Ready? After two attempts, she still can't make it to the end. I've done it again. Even so, Joan still thought she'd show a preference for her own race. Would you be surprised then, Joan, if I said that your test showed a slight preference for whites? Yes, I would be. Does it shock you? Yes.

1:40:43 You're flabbergasted. I'm flabbergasted. And Joan isn't alone. Dennis is the leader of a civil rights organization. According to his test in the studio, Dennis is neutral. But his individual computer test showed a preference for white. His response? All we had in images were whites through the type of media outlets that we were exposed to during my age generation. And that was a constant reinforcement over and over again. You're a bad person. So even the black people are racist. What kind of test is this? It's because of the white supremacist television. Of course. Of course, exactly what it is. It's not that the test can be maybe confusing. So he's a racist black man

1:41:37 but is also Has he's disabled because it was the fault of the white supremacist media that made him that way That's if you lean into the victimization mentality, so you have to accept it. Yeah Except if you if you accept that victimization mentality, which I'm not who pulling the power of propaganda but if you can if propaganda can make you Unlearn what you know what you experience. That's some powerful stuff, man You're not kidding me. I mean cuz you you don't have the excuse of Quote-unquote white people say well, I don't know any black people So maybe the news is telling the truth. Maybe the TV is telling the truth you live and experience black people every day so either we had to have one way either a

1:42:34 Mass media is running this super powerful propaganda machine that nobody's immune to, or you have to accept their victimization mentality. So which one is it? But it's got to be one or the other. It gets even more interesting in test four. Of the African-Americans the professors have tested, 42% show a preference for whites. A large number, especially when you consider that only 17% of whites show a preference for blacks. Go left. Right and what are the other African Americans we tested right Heather is an assistant district attorney right on the part of the test where the black face is paired with the word bad right Heather has noticeable difficulty and can't finish She showed a strong preference for African Americans and her pride was unabashed Just made me feel more comfortable knowing that I

1:43:33 I've embraced my culture. Randolph, a high school music teacher, also showed a preference for his own race. Does it concern you at all that you have a strong preference for African Americans? Does that score mean that I do not like European Americans? No. Is my subconscious aware of the condition that African Americans are in in this country at this particular point? My conscious is. Does it concern you concern you sir does it concern you that you could possibly you know I'm saying right does it concern you that you're like yourself right and people that happen that look like you Do you have definition nepotism? Right again. Yeah, do you have a preference for people that look like you I?

1:44:29 That's a problem! In these people's eyes. That's a- no, no, no, no, no! You know? You can't- no. What a- this is a multi-layered trap. This is great. You can't, it's a labyrinth. Yeah, labyrinth, exactly. You can't escape. Whatever turn you run into is a dead end. It's like, oh, racist, racist. Or you have self-identity problems, which we're called by the racist television. So it's like, white or black, you can never escape. Having free thought, you know, that's not an option. It has to be a reason behind why you feel the way you feel. And being a free thinker, that's totally bad. For Bowdoin, we can't have that. You can't have that free thinking.

1:45:19 But let's wrap up with this Dateline NBC on Test 5. Alright, I'm going to pass this one. I think I can do this. The professors note that there's a difference in reactions between blacks and whites when they find out they have a preference for their own race. You could say it's pride or prejudice. What blacks consider a badge of healthy self-esteem, many whites regard as an embarrassing revelation. Exactly. And that's the way it's designed. So you can't escape it. Can I play a little NA jingle here that's appropriate to... because a lot of people may not have heard this one and it'd be fun to play. Please, please, please. Just a shorty. If you're white, you're a racist. If you're male, you're a pig. If you're cis, you are privileged. Skinny, show me if you're big. And if you're straight, you're homophobic.

1:46:21 There you go everybody, do what you're told. The great secret agent Paul. Just do what you're told. Do what you're told. That's exactly it. And for all those categories, I mean we're talking about skin color right now. Of course that's part of the conversation, but there's a lot of it. Sexuality, gender, all of it's in there. Control. So I don't like to be part of the problem. I like to be more of part of the solution. Yes, we always love that.

1:47:04 So what I did was, I dug and dug and dug, and I found this training video of how to deal with white fragility in the workplace. Okay. The girl's name is literally Becky. Okay, let's try it again. Hey Jen, I really like your hair. Thanks Becky. I think the curls are awesome. Black hair's the best. Can you not do that? It's kind of inappropriate. What? Why? Well, it's kind of racist.

1:47:42 You're probably wondering what went wrong in this workplace interaction between Becky and Jen. Unless you have a keen understanding of racial discrimination in today's workforce, you probably didn't notice that something very offensive has taken place. Jen called Becky the R-word, causing Becky to feel shame and sadness. How can we avoid situations like this? Whoa, wait a minute. That's also a hijack of the R word. That's not okay I want to owe the og our word is now we've gone. We can't even use that anymore now. Ah, so Let's continue on You said you were trying to be part of the solution and you give me this yes We're

1:48:37 We're here to re-educate. Ah, yes, re-education. Yes, yes. Workplace 2. Workplace discrimination is a very serious issue and we have to be sensitive to our employees' different ethnic and cultural backgrounds. And just as it's important to be sensitive to our black, Arab, and other non-white co-workers, it's also equally important to be sensitive to our white co-workers' sensitivity to that sensitivity. Wait a minute. I gotta stop. I gotta listen to that again. Oh, shit. Important to be sensitive to our black Arab and other non-white co-workers It's also equally important to be sensitive to our white co-workers sensitivity. You know, we have to be sensitive for the white co-workers sensitivity Okay, I'm just taking notes To that sensitivity. Oh, shoot. Wait it I get I'm sorry. There's three sensitivities. Let's do it again. Equally important to be sensitive to our white co-workers sensitivity to that sensitivity. The what? We have

1:49:41 Okay, to be sensitive to the white person's sensitivity to their sensitivity. Yes. No wonder kids are antidepressants. Can you believe that Trump wants to build a wall? I mean, I must really bother you as a Mexican. Actually, I am Bolivian. How dare you? I went to Berkeley. Sometimes racial discrimination in the workplace can happen unintentionally. Take for instance this scene where Marco accidentally angered Tom by correcting him. Marco may not be Mexican, but correcting Tom in that manner made Tom confused, scared, and hostile. This situation could have been avoided altogether. Let's see how. Oh, oh boy. I'm so happy we're gonna find out how. Uh, gee.

1:50:38 2.1. Oh my goodness, this is, this is, it's, I'm trying to process it all. It's very, you've had advantage here, you've heard all this once before or multiple times. Okay, I just want to process that one. You know, Professor Ted Kaczynski wrote in his famous manuscript Industrial society and its future. He's a Harvard professor. You can look him up. You'll be amazed when you learn about him He wrote that one of the problems of technology in the future would be over socialization of children and what I just heard going back to the previous clip with the sensitive to the sensitivity about that sensitivity is

1:51:25 Mm-hmm. That is over socialization right there You're so because you're socialized and you you have to be so sensitive to everything and to everybody that your brain is You know has like is running it just 3,000 rpm all the time just to just to process all the information and it makes you tired and It does. And probably depressed. Alright. Okay, yes, I'm sorry. We'll go to the next one so we can continue and learn about this. I'm fascinated how I can fix myself. Can you believe Trump wants to build a wall? I mean, that must really bother you as a Mexican. Um, yeah. I love Mexicans. They're so hardworking. Yeah, they, I mean, yes, we are great. Viva la Mexico!

1:52:14 Crisis averted. What? What? Are you kidding me? That's how you feel? Viva Mexico. Crisis averted, everybody. All right. Part three. What is this from? Where did this come from? This is from Al Jazeera Plus. This is serious. No. Thank God. She's like, Who knows man? This could be played in schools for all I know. There's a reason to my madness. Let's continue.

1:53:01 Every day we learn more about how people of color live with histories of oppression. And every day we forget about those who also live with those histories. The oppressors. You see, the average person of color has spent years developing a thick skin when it comes to systemic racial oppression. While the average white person can go through many of their formative years without ever having to think about race. So hearing about racism can be traumatic for your white co-workers and create a negative work environment. White privilege might seem like everything is easier all the time, and it is. But it can also be hard because feelings are hard. This is genius. This is very good. I like it. So this goes back to what we talked about. We're dealing with people, not my words. White fragility is a disability. So if you take this literally,

1:54:02 It's on the onus of the person that is not disabled to make their environment more palatable and... Yes. To the person with the disability. Yes. Unless they have one leg, then I don't know if that wins. What I'm just saying is in this, this is a spoof. But it's not that far from reality. If you take it literal that the people that you're dealing with are actually dealing with a illness, then it's on you to provide... But Mo, that first clip had me totally hooked. I thought it was totally real.

1:54:46 For me, this is the dimension thing. You were in one dimension. Yep, I sure was. Looking at it. That's why I didn't say anything. You were in one dimension looking at it. So you're like, this seems real. Totally real. Which it is if you take this term white fragility serious on its own merit. Yeah. You tricked me, Moe. That was good. That was very good. Well, let's get into the solution. Yeah, woo, I can't wait. Being sensitive to white fragility is difficult, which is why we've devised a simple system to help you foster a non-hostile work environment for your white employees and co-workers. Stop. Ignore. Listen.

1:55:33 empathize, never complain, and eat. Or as we like to call it, the silence system. Here, let's watch what happens when silence is put into action. That's your solution. Silence. Adam, would you care to see silence in action? I would love to see some silence in action, Mo. 4.1 So I'm not racist. Stop. Like, I voted for Obama. Ignore. Like, I understand the reason for the Black Lives Matter movement. Listen. But it's just like, all lives do matter. Empathize. I just feel like race really isn't relevant in America anymore. Never complain. You're really easy to talk to, Adrienne.

1:56:27 And eat. That's right. Excellent. Adrian was able to diffuse a potentially hostile work situation by using psyllids. Great work, Adrian. America is a beautiful country built on some ugly things. Things that just don't belong in the workplace. And in order to remain productive, we must all pitch in to protect our most powerful and most fragile. Because when Sillence works, everyone works. So let's all be sensitive. White sensitive. Very good. Very, very, very good.

1:57:09 Now there you have it. That is the wrap up of White Fragility. Yeah, excellent Mo. Thank you. You helped a lot. I'm gonna have to review this for myself, particularly the fact that, well, this is the bottom line. My takeaway, let's get together brothers and sisters of all human resources and fight the real power the true supremacy the bloodlines who obviously are Have figured out through media how to keep us enslaving ourselves It's a fantastic system Works like a mofo. It's fantastic and

1:58:02 Now, of course, inherently, people who probably listen to this podcast already Have some armor against this, but it's what a what a fantastic Way to unpack it. Thank you. Mo. I really appreciate I always do but this is another one of those I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go downstairs till Tina like oh man, you just got to cancel work You gotta listen to this. She only has a 10-minute commute now, so it's a problem I hate my commute. It's too short This is the kind of value that we love to bring to you. Please consider Sending some monetary value use a number that means something to you write us a note We're going to be talking about some of those on the next episode 25 and you can find us at mo facts comm To go directly to the donation page mo fund me calm o mo e f u n d.com and as I always say

1:59:04 Pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And the truth will reveal itself tomorrow, tomorrow, reveal itself next week. I can't wait. That's why I wanted it for tomorrow. Take care everybody. We'll talk to you soon. Knowing that your door is always open and your path is clear to all. That makes me know that I can leave My sleeping bag behind your couch. Yes it does. Yes it be right there. Just knowing I'm not shackled by forgotten words and bonds. Got a bunch of flags. Each on the back row. That's all. From the memory. Each ever till on the mind. Till on the mind.

2:00:10 It's not clinging to some rationale, it's a column now that I know it does. Or something that you might say, because if all we stick together, we're all gonna fly, baby. We're all gonna fly. For giving that amount of time. And oh, you're still on me. You have a deal on me. Yes, you're gonna fly.

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