08: Hell Up in Harlem

00:11 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for September 23rd 2019 episode number 8 as we wind down the month Time to do another show mo. How you doing? I'm doing very well how you doing Adam? I'm doing outstanding Outstanding everyone really loved the last episode got a lot of real good positive feedback, how about you? Nothing but positive feedback on this side as well excellent Excellent so you told me I can't remember it must have been last week over the weekend. You kind of let me know what the what the topic would be It may be incredibly topical Considering the Emmy Awards last night, so I'm very curious to see what's gonna happen on today's mo facts with Adam Curry yes The Emmys was a not a pleasant surprise but I didn't follow up that closely but I do see one headline where um The black male

01:11 Billy, his name is Billy. Billy with the crazy hat. And it's gonna be so ironic About this what we're gonna talk about talk about in today's show What happened last year with Billy? Do you remember what happened with Billy last year, you know to be honest Billy Porter I think the keeper and I tried to watch pose once or twice and just really couldn't get into it And I really you know, I didn't think about Billy Porter until I saw him with that hat. I'm like Joe right now That's a lid right there. I haven't I can't remember at all what happened last year where Billy's had

01:54 Wasn't his first fashion statement last year Billy wore a dress to the Emmys. Oh Okay, and this is gonna be very Very important to the subject that we're going to talk about today But I mean just just file that away just filed in a word reps dressed to the Emmys last year And he wins this year Okay, all right. I hear your skepticism already um alright take us through it moe Alright so we start this show off on a more somber note What's gonna lead us in today show is what happened in the past week with mr.. Ed book ah yes Yes We've had our eye on him for a couple of years He's been in all kinds of trouble but not really in trouble and now he is really in trouble

02:52 So last show, I went on a tangent and at a later date we would discuss the LGBT alliance with black movement. Right? So with this happening with Ed Buck this gave us the proper context to have this conversation it's funny how those things work out I didn't plan to have this conversation. This, or I mean, I mean, our plan to have but it's amazing how the timing worked out that it gave us the perfect leap of leap off point to have this conversation so let's just get into a little background with a little clip heavy today so I want to get right into

03:42 Let's get into pre-arrest serial predator Ed Buck. over the span of less than two years. The man now being identified as 55-year old Timothy Dean, he died of an apparent overdose back in July 2017 26 year old Jamil Moore was found dead a meth overdose in the same apartment our next guest has been sounding the alarm on Ed Buck for over a year journalist and political commentator Jasmine Kanik joins us right now live from LA with more Jasmine good morning to you

04:23 Good morning. Let's start at the beginning who is Ed Buck? Ed buck is a major donor to the California Democratic Party as well as a lot of its elected members He's given lots and lots of money he's a well-known animal rights activist, as well as an LGBT activist No I didn't know about the animal rights part that's cool So these clips this first series of clips post the second man black gay man dying in Ed books apartment due to a drug overdose in the same manner and prior to The third victim. Yeah, who's the most recent victim that escaped he was able to escape you got out alive That's right so just to set that up and so on this is a great background er, so Let's get into clip number two

05:20 You have been a democratic activist for awhile. You worked on Capitol Hill, you worked in California politics... This is very upsetting to you personally. Why? Regarding the Democratic Party Because over 77% of black people in California vote Democratics. We vote for Democrats It is a shame that when something like this happens, when you have the chair of your state party who at the time was Eric Bauman Who was very good friends with Ed Buck Was willing to turn a blind eye as well as instruct others not to speak on it As a black woman and as a black Democrat I expect more from my party. That is not the type of investment that black people expect from Democrats when we're being killed, when we are being hurt and we are being harmed? We expect the Democratic Party to stand up for what's right. If it was someone who was white—if it was a white gay man—I feel like the Democratic Party would have took a completely different position. But because these are young black gay men who are largely invisible, I feel like my party just feels like they're not worth it.

06:23 And that's absolutely wrong. Yeah, and obviously when this came out after the second guy was OD'd in his apartment it was pretty clear that it seemed like there were some protectionism going on seeing as Mr Buck was a huge Democratic Party donor That is correct, and I just find it strange that Kamala Harris being the pro-LGBT candidate that she is and being the former DA of California and holding a post that she has held in California didn't bring attention to this. Wait, she hasn't mentioned this at all?

07:08 I've searched high and low, and I can't find anything her. Well, I'm not surprised that she hasn't because he's a big time donor and that money trickles down or up however you want to look at it across different multiple campaigns. Also, there were some gay rights black gay rights groups that were addressing this but not to the point where you have two dead black men Dead in a white man's apartment. You would think this will be all across CNN News MSNBC when the first two bodies occurred and Just for background they did find syringes full of drugs in his apartment, and he didn't even get a drug charge Yes special privilege don't you realize this Moe's in California donor right so

08:09 She makes a prediction in the third clip. Let's hear what she makes her predictions. Two black men have died in this man's house of an overdose within 18 months, and that is not a coincidence. Like I said we have nearly a dozen young men who have come forward who are sharing their stories with detectives who have spoken to me This is a pattern this is a practice of Ed Buck it is very clear that if he has not stopped there will be a third body Okay, well she was right on the money there. A dozen people came forward a dozen yeah this guy is a serial killer allegedly okay if the allegations are true

08:52 He's killing people with the same method and he's targeting, it seems to be a certain group of people. I think that qualifies you if the charges are true. Let's speak...I have to do just for reasons we have to say that but well- Just to be fair if these are accidental overdoses then there is different than serial killer It could be manslaughter. I'm not a lawyer obviously So what you're insinuating is interesting and it's all allegedly is that he might be doing this on purpose That's what a true serial killer does And that's when we get more into the story We're gonna hear more details Um, so now now we fast forward with to the third victim Luckily that guy survived

09:46 And him surviving, he was able to tell his tale which the other two men weren't able to tell. We see some action happening. So Ed Buck arrested after third victim A prominent Democratic donor arrested and charged with running a drug den after three men reportedly overdosed in his Hollywood home. The most recent victim survived, but two other men have died in Ed Buck's home in the last two years. Fox News Chief Breaking News correspondent Trace Gallagher and our West Coast newsroom with the whole story trace And Laura, prosecutors call Ed Buck a violent sexual predator who preys on men struggling with addiction and homelessness. Luring them into his home with the promise of drugs money and shelter an adding that the full scope of his malicious behavior is still unknown in this latest case buck is accused of injecting a 37 year old man with quote Dangerously large doses of methamphetamine on September 11 then refusing to help when the man believed he was over

10:48 overdosing. He survived, but others have not been as lucky in the past few years two other men have been found dead in Buck's West Hollywood apartment 26 year old Jamel Moore 55 year old Timothy Dean both overdosed on methamphetamine at the time there wasn't enough evidence to charge charge buck even though the jim all war were more wrote in his journal the time quote i've become addicted to drugs and the worst one at that ed buck is the one to thank he gave me my first injection of crystal meth it was very painful but after all the troubles by became addicted Right, so and this is coming from the third victim or is this still Fox News hearsay or that was that was? They found of the diary of the second victim. Yeah right And he's dead That's what he wrote his in his diary that obviously I mean according to it I mean we have to be careful here according to his diary Ed Buck is the one that got him hooked on Math right

11:49 By direct injection, which is bad news. Yeah and the third victim was said to be given a dangerously high dose of meth Right And Ed refused to help him when he said that he was overdosing So one of the narratives were where Ed Book was taking guys off the street who were struggling with addiction And he was kind of like giving them drugs to help them, you know. So they didn't have to go out and seek drugs elsewhere. But these accounts of the victims were either through a diary or the third victim's actual account kind of pushed back against that. Right so they have a different narrative in there and their accounts match?

12:47 Yes, and they go counter to how it was being explained away because I've been tracking this story since it first happened. This is one of the things that didn't make across the threshold of black Twitter to white Twitter. in the fact that the level of details. Well, it definitely crossed my grey Twitter threshold even the first time around but there's been no mainstream news coverage really so that's where you know...that's the cycle and to get it on across-the-board on social networks has got to be something being repeated on cable news or other television stations So yeah, definitely low exposure to the story

13:35 And that's the point I was making about not making a car. It bleeped on the radar, but the level of finding of a diary of one of the victims where he was saying he was being injected those things didn't make it, didn't bubble to the surface. But now I think they have to get rid of Ed Buck. He's a problem, he is definitely problematic. He is causing big problems because he's causing a fissure in the voting bloc that the Democrats have created and this is what more of the show is going to be about...of this conglomerate of different groups

14:28 how they inter work, how to intermingle that being the black community and LGBT community. This is where we're going to go with this. In this show. Oh and here I was thinking we were finally gonna do a true crime podcast Okay, all right back to the political side. All right You can hear this story just to hear the story anywhere But I'm gonna give it context. And I think that's what people kind of tune in to here is But let's listen to third victim too. Well, reportedly Horace he lured these young men most of them younger man to his home is extremely affluent very prominent LGBT activist and activists causes I even lure them in and then get them addicted as you saw that handwritten note by Mr Moore this is a tragic case when you look back on the facts and Jasmine alluded to this

15:27 This was known to officials for some time. Why would it take so long? Simple case of lack of evidence, It's not a simple case of lack of evidence. What we see is what looks like the Harvey Weinstein model or the Epstein model where prominent affluent influential Democrats in blue cities are literally getting away with murder We don't need three of these instances, one of these. You just change the scenario just slightly and put the name of any publicly known Republican and have this kind of incident happen once! And I assure you they don't stop until they have the guy in hand. Who was this speaking Mo? Who is that guy? That is Horace...

16:20 One second is he a black guy or white guy? Yeah, he's a black But it was funny oh, he's a black guy okay. Let's be clear We know Horace Cooper is that him Horace Cooper yes on the 21st something 21st project or twenty one project And the other lady is Jasmine from their first set of clips and she's a democratic Operative. Operative pundit. Now I want to bring, go back to the first of the clips you heard how forceful she was about calling out Democrats? Yeah. Listen to her tone in these clips

17:05 First of all, he acted with impunity. He didn't care. Secondly I think this is less about him being a Democrat although that is an issue and more about the race of the victims And thirdly look at the end of the day you know The life expectancy of black gay men in LA County has substantially increased with him being arrested and that is very important because on black gay men okay I know he's a Democrat I get that, but that's very important. And gay! But I want to push back on your statement. In the bluest state city in America they don't care about other black men who are being exploited? If they don't care there isn't any hope anywhere here is a much more likely story this man's influence allowed him act with impunity

18:06 Yeah, you hear the change in her tone. Oh yeah from this first set of clips Yep I think miss jasmine got a talking to oh yeah like shut that Democrat stuff down make this a black issue Because if you heard it and i'm surprised you didn't catch it she did a double up She said, look at the end of the day. You're right. She hit him back to back. She did hit him back-to-back you're right now and then you're right yeah I feel bad now that i didn't catch that stupid yes of course it's a double she when i did when i clipped that clip i was like wow honestly i didn't want i wanted to see if you caught that but she hid it back there but i was like her brain was working overtime to pivot

18:55 Now what is her, Ms. Jasmine's background? She's a Democratic operative in California and she was I gotta give her credit she was one of the first people to take on this Ed Buck story head-on as we heard and that's why played the older clips Hear the change in narrative. Yeah, because she was going after the Democrats and this is this is the difference between clip After the second death and now after the third event Okay. Well yeah, there's a big change they're for sure that's why you know just to get that context so what you hear here is

19:46 It's not about, it can't be about politics. And Horace made a great point if this had been a Republican donor... Oh yeah all over all over With dead black bodies in his house Yeah that would have been a problem Yes and this is why we look at people as being disingenuous uh and I hope Black people see this and i hope even LGBT people see this Because they don't have your it's all about politics. It's only about politics to politicians and their pundits Well, and just to be fair Politicians speak justice easily about going to war and killing hundreds of thousands of people on all sides politicians do it so you know they are also in a whole class of removed from reality by themselves

20:43 I agree. And that's the thing is, they're agenda driven. They're not people-driven. They don't even believe in the causes that they push. No of course not! It's all up...I know it's making it obvious here but I hope people see that it's not about your identity. They only see you as a ballot. Yeah, as a chip to be played in the big game To be activated. And that's a common theme in this podcast, it's all about activation so LGBT are being activated in the same way blacks are being activated

21:30 But if it's something that doesn't benefit them bringing up, they've hidden this case. This should be something that should be all over but let's get to clip number four. It is not true to say that this issue turns on race what this issue is turning on. What we need to watch is are we allowing people right in our midst to use their wealth and influence to literally get away with murder? Jasmine. Yeah, well that's my truth That's her truth yeah all right so Sorry, so I think we've all we were dressed all we can about the ed book You know just breaking news portion of this But I want to look at what's behind this and one of the common themes that we talk about on this show is homelessness

22:28 It plays into what goes, why these men may perhaps been victims. Adam have you ever heard of survival sex? Survival sex... No it implies though that just to stay alive you'll do whatever it takes including having sex with people So let's hit Miss Tiffany Graham She gave a TED talk I'd always love going on the TED because she gives great information Miss Tiffany Graham on homelessness and sex survival sex. Let me tell you a story Andy which is not his real name left home when he was 14 years old He identifies as queer, which means that in his case? He does not identify with the traditional understandings of gender or sexuality the homeless

23:22 The home in which he was raised, however, was not a nurturing setting for a child whose identity was constructed in these ways. He was also physically and sexually abused in this home. The environment was so oppressive that he could not come out of the closet and at one point he attempted to commit suicide. He knew that if he did not leave, he would try again, so he did. So by the age of 14 He found himself on his own and he did not have the means to take care of himself. So he began trading sex for food, for shelter and for transportation. He did not reach out to social service providers because he feared quite reasonably that they would either send him to foster care or they would send him back to his parents just to go show you survival sex is when a person trait as you stated

24:15 when a person trades the only commodity they have, their bodies for things that they need. And this is a huge problem certainly with homeless youth everywhere This is a huge problem and clip two goes into that problem. Andy's story is not unusual, and it highlights the question that many people have raised in the wake of the Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage after spending more than 2 decades focused on gaining relationship recognition rights What will the movement for LGBTQ equality focus on next?

24:55 Many options have presented themselves, but one of the most pressing issues is the problem of teen homelessness and its particular impact on the LGBTQ community. So youth homelessness defined as homelessness affecting anyone under the age of 25 What does it look like especially for LGBTQ kids? In the two most recent studies conducted by the Department of Housing and Urban Development, they reported the following information to Congress. Over 190 thousand youth and children were homeless on any given night in 2013. In 2013 over 500 thousand youth experienced a homelessness episode that lasted for longer than one week

25:43 Unaccompanied homeless children and youth, in other words those who are not with their families accounted for approximately 8% of the overall population of homeless youths. And within that group itself 86 percent of them were between the ages 18 and 24 so of course that means 14 percent of this group were under the age of eighteen Now among this group unaccompanied homeless youth Studies vary, but most suggest that between 20 and 40% of them are LGBTQ. And most of the studies have settled on a number that is closer to 40%. Wow. Some big numbers there. That's some big numbers. Yeah. And we see they brought this information to Congress

26:38 But I haven't heard this as anyone on the Democratic side talking point to address. Well, there's a couple things going on—I'll interject that—the homelessness issue is always addressed separately you don't hear much about survival sex at all and whenever they're talking, whenever they the news media politicians talk about homelessness the only thing they appear to be able to talk about in conjunction with that is affordable housing. So there's no other conversation, there's no other real descriptive talk about what it is... In fact

27:17 We've gotten to a point in our society where we can't even say homeless. You and I are touching the third rail there, you gotta say experiencing homelessness so yeah it's all taboo. Well I like unhoused! It's not funny, but it is comical. It's comical how they talk about it though. It's actually extremely disappointing now the one thing I want to say Is that one of these buck victims was 55? Was not that young but maybe you'll get to that later. Yes That's correct. But the other two were very young men? Yes, in their 20s So I'm making the point that to give context to the victims Yeah You know they've been and you know as did God say he didn't have anywhere to go yeah Ed book told him come live with me And The point i'm going to get to is there Is a certain class of people

28:20 as we see with Epstein, and now as we see with Ed Buck that prey on the low class. So you have to ask yourself is the homelessness allowed to happen because it creates a large inventory for these types of predators to prey from? Oh wow yeah Moe that's a big question I know, but let's get into clip three. Survival sex is an enormous issue too. LGBTQ youths between the ages of 10 and 25 are 70% more likely to engage in survival sex while 80% of homeless transgender youths are more likely to have engaged in survival sex than homeless cisgender youths

29:18 Now, what do we mean by survival sex in principle? Survival sex is part of the wider commercial sex trade people who engage in survival sex to do so because they literally have no other way to survive So they exchange sex for money. They exchange sex for shelter They exchanged it for food clothing or any other good which is a necessity of life Or drugs obviously or drugs. So I asked a question and i'm being serious when I ask this question that we see that a person like Epstein he was, uh I think the correct word is purveyor for people that were into the type of thing that he was providing which would be young girls yes and in this clip that we just played she said kids as young as 10

30:20 Ten years old, our participants... I talked to Alan Graham from a very successful homelessness project here in Austin and he said this is so... that with young kids is not just perpetrated by old rich guys. It is part of the homelessness experience, sadly. This happens all the time and it's actually something people really don't talk about much I'm surprised that this came on the TED Talk You can't find many clips where people will talk about that I had to dig for this Yeah, I bet And you are right So what that leads me into

31:05 In the recent, a couple of last show I brought up a guy named Malik Yoba. And Malik Yoba has been he's an actor famous black actor and he's been on the forefront pushing the trans agenda specifically. And when he did that transitioning our trans, I get this mixed up trans female A man... Here's how I understand it. Tell me out please! Yes, a trans woman is a man who identifies and is transitioning or has transitioned to a woman. And that seems to be the most common occurrence of trans is male-to females from what I'm seeing anecdotally

32:01 The reason why I have trouble with that because then they say, I'm a real woman. So I want to make sure I get that right? I don't want to offend anybody but a trans woman came out and said how are you being pro-trans when you used to participate allegedly in Survival sex and she went on this long Instagram tirade explaining how he would interact with her when she was a young person Media silence on her media silence, so I'm going to show you these agendas don't really care about the victims but and they've been pushing this whole thing and now he's saying that

32:51 Men that don't trick date trans women or homophobic. Yes Yeah, I've heard this sure that's his push and he got a lot of pushback They're transphobic sorry to be correct the men who won't date Trans women are trans phobic trans phobic so he got a lot of pushback for this from heterosexual males or heterosexual agenda in the black community. So that leads us to this question, is gay the new black? I understand the tensions on both sides you know Black folks say can we have something Can we get something that's ours Ain't nobody appropriating all of a sudden they took jazz Can we keep the civil rights thing Everybody ain't black Now here's the thing that i think alot of black people miss Is it real flattery for people to try and compare themselves with black people

33:48 You know, hey we want to be black. We're down like them." It's an insult to a lot of black people who are like, yeah it ain't the same thing though dog so slow down with that What's interesting to me though is that many African-American people forget that the civil rights movement itself was borrowed Right? Then pay some royalties to Mahatma Gandhi. Because that's where King got it from! Well, in light of the Emmys last night right now there is a lot of groups gearing up for October 8th there's going to be a hearing in the Supreme Court about Title VII which is Title VII of the Civil Rights Act

34:29 But their focus is purely on transgendered rights, not black. Well we've seen this before with the soon as the reparations talks came up from black people The New York Times wrote an article about gay reparations Yes and who else was there? It wasn't Was it Kamala Harris? Did she say that there was some other gay reparations or recent candidate. I can't remember exactly. I can't, I can't remember. I remember the incident as well but iI can't remember exactly who so now we have this push that was for people who don't know that was Michael Eric Dyson speaking on is gay the new black and as he said they did it's almost an insult

35:20 some black people receive it as an insult that you try to equate the two things. I can understand that, but then he goes on to say well you borrowed and this guy's like this He knows where...he's from academia so he understands he has to walk that line because he can't piss off the black people Because that's part of his support, but then he also can't piss off the LGBT because he'll get ran out of you know His position at a university So here in June June 23rd Elizabeth Warren

36:07 reintroduced a bill on the campaign trail which could mean a 57 million dollar tax refund for married LGBT couples. It is characterized as Warren promising reparations for gay couples just to tie that end right up and that's what pisses even me off it pisses me off how do you jump in this is how do you jump us in line? How did this happen You took our president. I mean, okay not ours but we're going to have a real conversation today folks let me just turn down your trigger dial a little bit because we want to have a real conversation it's the sentiment amongst black people

37:00 We already had to talk about being patient the first term and then he was gonna post a turn up and turn out on the second term. Right, Obama is what you're talking about? President Obama we turned out we voted in him not with me but as people we voted him in twice The expectation was that second term He was going to really push our agenda That was this unspoken expectation Well, he did turn up. Yep But not for us No I know exactly what he turned up for For gay marriage Nah bathrooms I was getting there I'm sorry Transgender bathroom You light up the white house with a rainbow flag He gives all these Gay historic civil rights people

38:01 these awards, the highest awards. One is going to be addressed in the next clip Michael Aaron Dyson 2. I think that gay people do black people a favor and first of all let's what are we forgetting here some gay people happen to be black Duh. It is not like they told them, oh you're gay you don't have to go the back stay up front with us because your looking awful delicious today You go to the head of the bus I dont make the news im just reporting right here They aint got no exemption James Baldwin spoke for black people as a black gay man

38:45 Barbara Smith now, Audre Lorde. Without Bayard Rustin straight black people would never enjoy the rights they enjoy now! Adam Clayton Powell called Martin Luther King Jr up and said I'm gonna tell a lie that you and Bayard Rustin are having an affair if you don't put him out You know, ahem... And you may be getting to this Who was the first guy he mentioned? Uh, Bayard Rustin No Yeah, no that was... No no the other name. Adam Clayton Powell? Nope before that shoot hold on. You want to run it back? Here let me see I think it was here. I don't make the news so I'm just reporting right here They ain't got no exemption James Baldwin spoke for- James Baldwin that's what I meant yes Bobby quoted James Baldwin yesterday and this is in his acceptance speech

39:50 And you know what? Michael Eric Dyson is being disingenuous and we're gonna see this. A lot of the black first, when you say first person to do this, first person to do that were LGBT. We're going talk about Mr. Allen Leroy Locke, the First Rose Scholar and he was the father of... I'm getting a little ahead of myself but he was the father of the Harlem Renaissance that I brought up last time. Yes, okay. So this is where we're headed he's being very disingenuous because we as we're gonna point out and saying throughout you send a direction to just show a lot of black first were LGBT but he brings up Mr Bayard Rustin have you ever heard of mr. Bayard Rustin? I have not

40:48 Okay, let's listen to civil rights pioneer. a militant and revolutionary in the fight for civil rights. Bayard Rustin served as a trusted advisor to Dr Martin Luther King Jr during the Montgomery bus boycotts, but he's better known for organizing the iconic 1963 March on Washington The one man in America who could do it did it and that's why it happened It had an architect his name was Bayard Rustin But at time when intolerance ran high, Rustin stood out for more than just his work on civil rights It was just one of these facts of life. Bayard is gay, he doesn't hide it I said to somebody once that he never knew there was a closet to go into. Bayard had been attacked both for his homosexuality and also political views Strom Thurmond did it on the floor of the United States Senate Thurmond referenced Rustin's 1953 arrest on a public sex charge

41:48 The senator is interested in attacking me because he is interested in destroying the movement. He will not get away with this." So they, the perception is black people have never been accepting of homosexuals. Everybody that was black had to be closeted but as you're seeing here We had a lot of people in prominent positions that were openly gay. Bayard Rustin, in 1986 when he was addressing the New York State Gay Rights Bill He gave a speech The new niggers are gays And here's a clip

42:35 I have a quote though. He says, today blacks are no longer the litmus paper and this is 1986. Today blacks are no longer the litmus paper or the barometer of social change. Blacks are in every segment of society and there are laws that help to protect them from racial discrimination. The new niggers are gays In this sense, the gay people are the new barometer for social change. The question of social change should be framed with the most vulnerable group in mind—gay people." And you said this in 1986? 1986. Can I just say something? I love you schooling me! Okay, I'm learning. This is great. So...this is where the gays or the new blacks' talking point was really birthed

43:31 So let's get into gays, civil rights pioneer two. But it wasn't the first time Rustin sexuality came under attack sometimes from his own people including the Democratic congressman from Harlem there was the possibility of a rumor being circulated by Adam Clayton Powell That by Rustin and Martin Luther King jr. Were having an affair King pressed Bayard to take a backseat so The back seat is gonna be very I don't know if that was the truth trying to come out but um, so

44:13 You have King's right hand man and from Bayard Rustin's accounts, he really trained King. It wasn't just an advisor He is the one that taught King about the whole Gandhi thing Right And Let's be clear, okay so they were being investigated right by J Edgar Hoover. Yeah the FBI was all over him that is well known now. Everyone knows this so now we're gonna give you a little tidbit. By the way J Edgar Hoover loved his dresses not only that but J Edgar Hoover was allegedly a black man! What? No no no

44:56 We don't get to keep anybody anymore. You guys taking all of our heroes? I'm just kidding Well, you know i'm just going to look him up because uh Washington Post I have the article here okay was J Edgar Hoover black Barbara a Reynolds from The Washington Post It says in some quarters, the racial rumors have been whispered about as wildly as Hoover's sexuality. Eastwood avoidance of the issue adds intrigue to the movies main storyline. As Hoover was digging up dirt on presidents spying on and harassing civil rights leaders he was cross dressing and carrying out affair with Clyde Tolson, the FBI number two man. It says McGee

45:49 said in 1950s, I was a young girl. This is allegedly his cousin and 19 in the late 1950s. I was a young girl growing up and rule McComb Mississippi. A story had been passed down through several generations that the land we lived on was owned by the Hoover family. My grandmother my grandfather told me that this powerful man Edgar was his second cousin and was passing for white If we talked about this, he was so powerful he could come have us killed. I grew up terrified about all of this but later the educator and researcher unearthed enough information by digging through altered court records or interviews with both white and black Hoovers and the help of licensed genialists to substantiate the rumors that she had heard as a child that Hoover was her relative

46:46 Yeah, and I have the Washington. I'm gonna put that in in our show notes actually That's dynamite. Wow man so now you have a black alleged gay man investigating another black man and So they brought up, so just to give that context. So when he spoke about Mr Adam Clayton Powell, all of these figures come from one place Harlem? Yes They all stemmed from Harlem because Harlem was the hotbed of blackness ever since the late 1920s when you had the Black, um... When you had the Harlem Renaissance

47:35 So, just to go about Bayard Rustin. Bayard Rustin was not a saint and there was a reason why Bayard Rustin had the step away from the civil rights movement. Bayard Rustin arrested. Though I was extremely fond of him, was interested in meeting lots of other people and occasionally they turned up to, in my bed when I wasn't expecting them. FBI field report on January 21st 1953 Rustin was arrested by the police department in Pasadena California as a suspected sexual pervert he was charged with lewd vagrancy and sentenced to 60 days in the county jail

48:28 That was pretty fast news for the pacifist community that Bayard had been arrested in Pasadena. All the other arrests he'd had were on grounds of principle, but this is an arrest where he knew he was wrong I don't mean morally wrong because it was a sexual encounter I mean it was stupid to get arrested on the backseat of a car with two guys In a public place and he knew this Wow I don't know why but for some reason this reminds me of George Michael It's similar Yeah It's very, it's very similar. Which destroyed his career, destroyed him That's my personal belief And with Bayard Rustin being arrested They could you know they could kind of gloss over him being gay and as the lady stated in the previous clips He didn't know a closet so it wasn't like you know people didn't know he was gay Right It was very clear that he was gay but the fact that him getting arrested made him look

49:28 You know, like a deviant. Like a deviant? Yeah I was going yeah exactly so they brought up Mr Adam Clayton Powell and Adam Clayton Powell seemed to be a religious person he came from a religious family that's to say that uh so they make it seem like you know Adam Clayton Powell was coming after Bayard Rustin because he was gay And he made that thread about him and King being lovers because he was gay. The thing about, the real issue about King and Bayard Rustin was Bayard Rustin was a communist

50:10 And they were worried about the influence of the Communist Party on King and the Civil Rights Movement. That's going to be a show for a later date, because that's another rabbit hole of communism in the black community. Well and that also played out around that same time with J Edgar Hoover you know we had then we had the church committee in all kinds of crazy stuff now you see why there was reason I hit it Now you see why they were really investigating him. Hoover being a gay black man, he should really empathize with them about gayness or being black. But the communism part? That was the real influence and now we're getting to the Boulle part. Adam Clayton Powell was big Boulle out of Harlem and you gonna see this Adam Clayton Powell's threat

51:06 Adam Clayton piled in one blacks picketing the Democratic Convention In fact, he went so far as to warn King that if King did not withdraw his support from that demonstration He would go to the press and say there was a sexual affair going on between me and King Martin was so terrified by this threat Wow. It was about the Democratic Convention course not them being gay He didn't want them protesting the Democratic Convention. That's why I say Adam Clayton Powell was Boulay. You're going to start this, go ahead? For people who are new, Boulay is—and we've discussed this as far back as episode one—Black Illuminati. Easiest way to describe it. It's not completely accurate but it gives you the general idea

51:55 That's correct. The black elites of the bullae, like you said they're the black wing of the Illuminati or the protectors are the Illuminati so yeah Adam Clayton Powell had political motives and what you're seeing here is two divides a people Black groups that were backed by two different pools of money The best way I can explain that in modern day times is like Black Lives Matter on one side being backed by democratic liberal agenda, correct? Yeah. Money and then you have, I don't know if it's fair but as an example you have somebody say like Candace Owens being backed by conservative

52:46 talking points. Gotcha, or motives this is what you're having and this goes all the way back to Harlem because Harlem was the ground zero for blackness so that he had these two powers fighting for control of it and so just to give you context who Adam Clayton Powell is I have a short clip of Adam Clayton Powell explaining Black Power. Black power means dignity! It mean we gotta walk Side by side with you or through your we're gonna be With dignity and integrity. We don't want any more than you have I'm not gonna accept any less than you have that's my power All right, where was this? Where did uh, where did he say this do you know this is 1968 He was giving a speech. I believe in California Okay so

53:45 If you listen to him closely, he brought up the words dignity twice. So what you're hearing is like really the conservative wing. He was more on the conservative side of things and when you have people like Bayard Rustin who was clearly on the liberal side of things You can hear where these two divides happen so We have to go back to Harlem now, cuz Adam Clayton Powell came out of the biggest church in Harlem at the time. And Bayard Rustin cut his teeth in Harlem at the same time so these two people were very aware of each other. So just to give a background it's not very long but let's listen to queer in Harlem.

54:38 Hey y'all, it's Lexual aka Lexus Jonde of Intellectual Media and this is Two Minute History. So let's talk about Black queerness during the Harlem Renaissance as Henry Louis Gates put it, Harlem was surely as gay as it was black. Queer identities were relatively numerous in fact transgender people were common among the working class group of Harlem there was an event called The Hamilton Lodge Ball which delighted thousands of spectators both white and black alike although Although the black trans community was a definite target of Irish cops, they still dared to exist. Prominent writers like Langston Hughes, Claude McKay and Count A. Cullen were queer. Many showed surreptitious same-sex desire in their work but due to their elite status in the company they kept

55:23 they displayed traditional gender and sexual identities in public. Homosexuality was a frequent theme in Count A. Cullen's work, and there are even surviving love letters he wrote to men. Several jazz musicians who regularly played in Harlem clubs had same-sex relationships including Ethel Waters who is bisexual. Gladys Bentley was a regular Harlem performer who often wore men's clothes and flirted with the women in the audience Madam CJ Walker's daughter, a prominent Harlem socialite was known to uninvite people from her poppin' parties if they dared speak out against LGBT people. She loved to surround herself with black lesbians and gays. Non-causative black queerness may not have been accepted everywhere but the population of black queers in Harlem in the 1920s tells a rational person that Black sexuality has been and will continue to be multifaceted

56:14 Queerness isn't some conspiratorial agenda, nor is it new. When shown freedom or tolerance black queers will reveal themselves in greater numbers Huh. I'll point out there that everyone she mentioned was an entertainer or in the arts, and I think that may have a little bit more to do with queerness or recognition of self in those particular communities where it's artistic. And I think that's historically true Yes, and that well the corner John Legend Well you can't be creative if you're not a Democrat this is exactly right so Man yeah You making me want to play that clip now. You know it's like hold on a second I get to play a clip here listen to John legend well We've always been liberal musicians actors It's almost by disposition

57:11 We deal with the gay and lesbian community all the time, so we're going to feel like they should have the right to get married just like we do. We deal with people of all colors and all races and we travel to different countries all the time to perform So we're going to have a more global view and a more inclusive view It's almost by nature and by circumstance of the things that we do So if America doesn't want to consume the art of people who are liberal-minded, there's not going to be a lot of art for them to consume. As simple as that! Because the best artists most of them are liberal sorry

57:50 There are some country artists that I know they're conservative. I have a lot of country artists that are friends and believe me, some of them are liberal but they don't make a big deal out it because they know it'll alienate their base. I'm telling you most creative people are liberal." And when John Legend says it, you know its true! So you have to ask what was really the Harlem Renaissance really about? According to Mr Henry Louis Gates Jr., I know your familiar with him... Of course He says in his essay, 1993 essay The Black Man's Burden that the Harlem Renaissance was surely as gay as it was black. As gay as it was black. Alright well but the Renaissance was an artistic movement correct? Yes so the powers that be understood

58:48 So when you talk about poetry, poetry at the time was very influential in those times. Music as well so they understood and as they understand now I'm trying to get people really notice that it's the same mindset now You have conservatives on one side which are about business and controlling the business aspect And then you have liberals on other side about controlling art and pushing their agendas through, you know...through art. And for the few people because the ratings were

59:28 Atrocious who saw the Emmys last night. It was produced and broadcast on Fox So of course they have to put in you know something they want to promote and they had Tim Allen Who whose show Last Man Standing was cancelled on I want to say ABC that he moved it was then picked up by Fox They made him come out And you could see it. It was the most uncomfortable moment, one of the most uncomfortable moments during the entire show where he's standing there as a known conservative in this liberal den and it was yeah I mean it was... You could see it right there what was going on He was a fish out of water on his own network. You know that was maybe they were trying to

1:00:22 humiliate him in a way, who knows? I mean that's how i receive it as how you're telling it. So we brought up a key figure and this whole Harlem Renaissance was Mr Allen Leroy Locke So that's the guy I previously mentioned as being the first black Rhodes Scholar. Adam, can you tell me a little thing anything about the Rhodes Scholars? Well, the Rhodes scholarship to me is something that elite kids get The ones that are being prepped to become leaders if you look at who's a Rhodes scholar famously of course Bill Clinton

1:01:07 Tony Blair, but there's I have a feeling that our some current probably liberal candidates. I want to say hmmm...I can't- I know one of them is at least one of them's a Rhodes Scholar. Cory Booker i think as a Rhodes Scholar so yeah it's kind of an elitist launching platform. So its liberal leaning? Is what you were saying? I would say that the indication says yes Okay, so let's get into Oxford University Press. Who is Alan Locke? Well Alan Locke was a philosopher who was born in the 1880s and he taught at Howard University He was the first black person to get a PhD in philosophy from Harvard University. He was also the first African-American Rhodes Scholar to Oxford

1:01:58 But the most important thing is that he's often considered the godfather of the Harlem Renaissance, The black arts movement of the 1920s with people like Langston Hughes Zora Neale Hurston Claude McKay Really a bevy of artists and writers who emerged for the first time with the idea that you could write about the black experience creatively And Be rewarded for it And he was a self-organized cultural producer who created the opportunities for these artists. And he came up with this concept of the New Negro, it was already around but he interpreted as that being the quintessential American artist who mined the black experience folklore, the spirituals and turned that into high art

1:02:49 So he was really a person who brought the interpretive context for black artists to be appreciated, really for the first time. So that's Mr. Alan Locke. He was very liberal leaning and I have a quote from him it says Locke wrote in Oxford, wrote from Oxford in 1910 That the primary aim and obligation of a Rhodes Scholar is to acquire at Oxford, and abroad generally, a liberal education. And to continue subsequently the road mission of international understanding

1:03:28 Throughout life and in his own country. Yeah, if for once more it should be It's proven possible for nations to understand one another as nations then They must learn to tolerate each other as individuals So he was a globalist well from the book of knowledge Wikipedia I read verbatim the scholarships were founded for two reasons a to promote unity within the British Empire and to strengthen diplomatic ties between Britain and the United States of America. And was there a second one? Rhodes also bequeathed scholarships to German students in the hope that a good understanding between England, Germany and the United States of America will secure the peace of the world." Of course they went on to all fight each other just ten years later but okay

1:04:19 So you have this guy, he becomes a Rhodes Scholar and then he finds himself in Harlem putting together this conglomerate of black artists which was called the Talented Tenth. And what we're gonna head now is the mind state of two well-known black men. We spoke about one W.E.B Du Bois And he was pro Talented 10th. And what he thought was if you elevate the top ten percent of black people, then they will uplift the black race in that way. That was opposite of Mr Booker T Washington. Booker T Washington believed that you built from the ground up. You know, you build a working class of black people

1:05:12 in trades and things of that nature. And it's like one was thinking top down, and one was thinking bottom up. It just super oversimplified... Two sides of the same coin really? Two sides of the same coin So let's listen to W.E Du Bois' Rivalry with Booker T Washington One of the first moments where Du Bois comes onto the national stage is the brewing controversy between his ideas about racial progress and how to move the race forward, and the leading African-American figure of that time period—the late 19th and early 20th century—Booker T. Washington

1:05:59 In the beginning, they agreed on many points about the importance of education and moving the race forward. It turns out though that because Du Bois was northern born and had access to some of the best schools in New England and really was encouraged to think broadly, it's been part of his elite graduate education being trained in Berlin working with Max Weber By contrast to Booker T. Washington, who was self-educated a very gifted and talented man but he was born as a slave That fundamental difference certainly shaped their sense of change over time. The life that Booker T Washington eventually led as the leading, most recognized figure of African American society meant that his expectations for what the white race was willing to do on behalf of black people were very different than a Du Bois'. You could say Du Bois' was a utopian idealist in some respects and Booker T Washington was a pragmatist

1:06:59 better known as an accommodationist. And so it set up an ongoing debate Eventually Booker T. Washington's program sustained the ethos of Jim Crow America because it was about black people working, but on white people's terms. It was about a lack of political enfranchisement because black people were subject to poll taxes and literacy tests and the inability to vote. And it was ultimately about a form of second-class citizenship that was segregated America In this regard, Du Bois did see that real change fundamental change living up to the real promises of racial democracy in America depended upon agitation depended upon a grasp for power. Okay? So what you're hearing here is the two different ideologies or was bit what's best for black people to achieve success in America

1:08:01 The problem with that is, and there's always a problem. We've already identified W.E.B Du Bois came from the same school as Adam Locke if I'm not mistaken W. E. B. Du Bois was the first graduate black graduate from Harvard So he was there. That's the one side the liberal thinking and I always say Alan Lott was funded by Was funded by Rhodes Scholar money and liberal Liberal thinking well, mr Booker T Washington on the other hand He was also funded And let me just give you a list of who funded Mr. Booker T Washington here we go Yeah for one

1:08:54 I see here, I have it here. Okay Mr Booker T Washington's wealthy friends Soros! No. It's bigger than that Oh no Andrew Carnegie Wow yeah it was all pre-Soros obviously but wow yeah sure oh William H Taft and John D Rockefeller Yeah the Soros of their day So much so, I think let's see. Yes, John D Rockefeller. So these guys were backing the black schools in the south somewhere. So John D Rockefeller and 1902 his father a father and son Rena article here Father Son set up a general education board to assist Southern Black Schools by the end of the first decade The board had donated more than

1:09:52 33 million. There it is, the magic number! Towards furthering the goals of black education and by 1921 they had donated an additional 96 million dollars for education which is probably three quarters of a billion dollars today I'd have to look at what it is but that's a lot of money That's a lot of money The reason why you had newly black people newly freed black people And you had to have some kind of school of thought to indoctrinate them too, is what I believe. Which is the goal of the Illuminati So we have two highly funded people fighting for the souls of average black people. And coming from opposite sides of the political spectrum

1:10:44 Yes, which is all if you want to call them elite Illuminati whatever the term you want to call but that's That's where the money was happening and the ground zero of the battle with Harlem. Oh The reason why I bring this up is just to say that it's the same shit today It's the same crap today except it's no longer Harlem its Twitter the internet yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's the Internet and on one side you have And I don't um I heard you and John having interesting conversation on this show maybe two shows ago a last show how The or elite are into weird How now? I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm getting head of my stuff. I'll stop right there. Mm-hmm

1:11:38 Okay, so now we got to go back to our old clip of Mr. Charlemagne talks about the Illuminati okay? Charlemagne to God And you know it's a lot thing I say when you look up the word illuminate all it means is being lightened once That's all the definition of illuminating me that means the enlightened people of our society So these are the peoples that are enlightened what's wrong with being enlightened and You know what I'm saying? Like, what's wrong with having knowledge, having wisdom, having understanding. What's wrong with just being an enlightened person? If there is something in the Illuminati and that's what it is to enlighten people yes! I want to be one of the enlightened people That's why I read books for To try to be one of the highly enlightened people of my society like Yes everyday I strive for knowledge I want to be a better person like Whats wrong with being enlightened So basically on the record Charlemagne is saying he wants to be in the Illuminati

1:12:35 If there was an Illuminati and it is of the enlightened people, why wouldn't I be? Why wouldn't I want to be? Why would not...why wouldn't I want to be where all the knowledge is at. Why wouldn't I want to know the world's secrets? Why wouldn't I...? Why wouldn't I? Yes! Yeah that's when we played early on episode number two, I think. Yes so to explain to you how people get caught up in this so-called Illuminati And I don't think Charlemagne will ever make it to The Actual. I mean because we know That's a very exclusive club, but you became become a talking head for the Illuminati and I like in like you said But out to play that clip To make just give context of what you said previously about it's the same crap going on today exactly those people thought hey why I mean? I'm getting access to knowledge here when you talk about guys like Carnegie and

1:13:29 Rockefeller. You're finding out about the ways of the world, especially if you've never been back in those days no internet yeah you're learning about how the finances work how the political system works yeah it would seem like a book is open right in front of your eyes! No kidding and can we agree that there was men were Illuminati? I think... In my mind they are The Carnegie's and those people they put into who the man who built America They have some, you know they may have been reptiles as well. And that's why I fell in love with the Noah Jindal show right there! You always get me at the reptiles. Well you know it's uh...I'm just saying But but but there is The Illuminati do get their thought process from one main source or their idea-their religious and if you want to call that beliefs from one main source

1:14:31 That being Egypt. Yes, that's where they get the pyramids and you know a lot of symbolism that comes from Egypt the obelisks all of it yes And one of the main symbols for the boulée is this sphinx? Egypt again Egypt begin but let's not believe me about the Egypt thing we have a side guru I think he's a big-time Indian philosopher and he speaks on the Illuminati decoded. In Europe, secret schools were romantic stuff even people who are now famous like Socrates or Aristotle and these people they were also part of the secret schools why would I make my school secret? because society is in a mode of persecution of anything that doesn't it does not agree with persecution

1:15:38 Only if there is persecution, a school becomes a secret school. Isn't it so? So secret school traditions are so much in Europe because the dogmatic religious beliefs who are really suppressing anything… anything that they think is gathering ten people They want to demolish it, they will kill them. So they ran secret schools in this whatever you are referring to as Illuminati and later on it transformed itself into Freemasons some history I cannot confirm this Some books have been written as to how freemasonry were started by the Indian masons who went to Egypt

1:16:23 Yeah, and this is you know look at the Freemasonry symbolism all very similar Number 33 is a big number in the in freemasonry a lot of triangles. Yeah totally yeah the geometry even I a horse so all that leads to Egyptian beliefs. So even, I'm pretty sure you know this but the listeners may not know this, even the city of Washington DC- Oh it's completely Egyptianized Yes and let's listen to... This was put together by, I couldn't catch her name but all the facts that she stated I have already validated But i couldn't find a clip anywhere other than in this source That explains the Egyptian links to D.C

1:17:13 The Washington Monument. This breathtaking tower stands 555 feet high on the National Mall and attracts over 800,000 tourists each year It's structured as an obelisk also known as Tekkitz a prominent architecture of the ancient Egyptians These obelisks were placed in pairs at the entrances of Egyptian temples The Ablesque symbolized the sun god Ra, one of the most prominent and highly worshipped Egyptian gods. Pharaohs had these monuments built for them so that they would always be remembered

1:17:52 In the same manner, this monument was built in dedication to America's first president George Washington. George Washington was a Freemason part of an international group supposedly established for mutual help and fellowship often holding elaborate and secret ceremonies Masonic historians have linked Freemasonry to the values of ancient Egypt and the masonic symbols in DC clearly show Egyptian influence. The Scottish Rite Temple is DC's main sign of Freemasonry and even more so Egyptian influence. The entrance is guarded by two sphinx on each side, statues of a Sphinx, a mythical creature were often built to guard important areas such as tombs and temples in Egypt

1:18:44 Yes, yeah there's a lot more this I mean there's entire books and movies have been written and shot about this You know there's the Masonic just the way the streets are laid out. There's a lot of that in DC yes And as she said the Sphinx were made to guard things mm-hmm, and this is the thought is that the boule est meant The guardians of the Kings so basically they're the protecting class of their white rulers against you're saying, against black people. They stand as a hedge between them so that I mean that's like I said the word bullet actually means advisors to the king and that's why they chose this symbolism of the Sphinx right? I did gloss over one tidbit fact just to go back and give you something about the... So we know W E B Du Bois and now getting kind of out of order here but had to share this fact

1:19:46 So we know W.E.B Du Bois was a member of the NAACP and NAACP was really started and ran by white people, we established that on a previous show. Yeah. One of those white founders was Joel E Spingarn have you ever heard of him? I have not Okay Mr. Joel E Spingard was the first chairman of the board of directors of the NAACP and held that position for many years The Covenant Spingard medal is given yearly by the NAACP and was established in 1914 That sounds all good, right? Only one problem...Mr. Spingard was a spy for the United States Army Whoops! And a OOP

1:20:38 Yes, you had the head of this NAACP ran by a known spy. He was hired in May of 1918 and given the rank of major in the military intelligence division. Spingar ran a small unit undercover agents who were looking for proof of subversion. And he opened over 10000 pieces of mail a week monitoring black publications. Wow. So that just gives you an idea who's all really over these two groups that we think are for us and nobody really wants to deviate from that but just going back to so, that goes to show you that all the groups established for well not all let's not say all anything 95% of black groups have been established by white people

1:21:36 Yes, and not white people with good intentions either. No it was it was control mechanism Which is not any different for any other group we've pointed out for every other group but I'm just Specifically speaking what affects the group? I'm part of so We've established that the Illuminati They're into Egyptology. They built a whole city in Washington, D.C., based off of Egyptian premises. Let's listen to the Egyptian DC part two. On 16th Street where the Scottish Rite Temple is located there are more temples and churches than any other streets on earth

1:22:20 Ancient Egypt was one of the most spiritual places in the world. The designers of DC were trying to duplicate the energy found in Egypt Walk a few blocks down and there is Meridian Hill Park and the Egyptian influences are very clear. Within the park there is a large cascading waterfall, the number 13, the number of steps that line the waterfall represents a spiritual awakening. Looking at the waterfall from above you can see the Ankh shape is created it is a symbol for life and can be seen in Egyptian art and architecture

1:22:58 The Potomac River acts as the Nile River. West of the Potomac River is the Arlington Cemetery, where dignitaries officials and presidents have been buried Likewise, the west bank of the Nile River is the Valley of the Kings Note that none of this is a coincidence From the architecture in the statues to the exact layout of Washington DC Everything was built off of the influence of ancient Egypt planned out to replicate the amount of power and energy that the Egyptians built an empire out of I Love how you've just taken me into a Dan Brown novel. This is great So back for the conversation you and John were having and you You guys made mention that the elite are

1:23:49 some of the elite are into weird sexual practices. Is that a... Yeah, well I think that was more based off of our own experience having certainly when i was extremely famous you get invited to a party and in this case it was old world it was in Europe and like in a huge mansion-I was very young I was maybe 20 21 and you know with some incredibly rich people, and they just behave odd. And then all of a sudden there's the prime minister riding a 10-speed bike through the living room!

1:24:28 So I don't know about sexual behavior, but it seemed like that would be pretty possible. I haven't seen anything with my own eyes, but look at the podestas, look at the spirit cooking. There's all kinds of weirdness going on and I think mainly through boredom, but others would say to gain power from mystical things that we no longer understand. That's where I lean towards? No, I'm sure, I'm sure. If you can cue it up Cure up the theorem. Do you need it? You got to hit it, please. All right Normally normally only reserved for Marianne Williams but you may use the theremin yes Thank you I am other believe as many of the conspiracy theorists that The elite as you mentioned you brought it out and I didn't lead the witness

1:25:28 that they use it to harness some kind of sexual or spiritual power. I have researched this, I have been through this many times early on No Agenda Show we talk about it This is where reptiles comes from and there's a lot of evidence that this was true, is true, is still happening And I think where you're going is kind of sad because yes I'm pretty sure that young, very young homeless children are abused by elites for all kinds of crap. Maybe just to eat them or drink their blood? I don't know but there's enough stories about it to make it certainly believable and one point we have to point out Jeffrey Epstein had some kind of weird

1:26:19 Egyptian monument on his island. Correct or no? Yes, absolutely some kind of temple lots of speculation about what it is many say entrance to a tunnel system caves there's evidence air inlets that would justify that speculation. Definitely weird, well and weird or not it's a Egyptian styled architecture yes so to come back out of theorem land I'm going to use a reputable source to support the allegation i have of the LGBT connection to ancient Egypt

1:27:01 Hello, I'm John Johnston. I do my PhD at the Institute of Archaeology. I am here today in the Petrie Museum of Egyptian Archaeology at University College London to talk a little about LGBT History Month This is the third occasion now that the museum has celebrated LGBT history month On the first two occasions we held some special lectures and on this occasion we've devised a trail of various objects dotted around the museum which help to illustrate various aspects of LGBT history in the ancient world.

1:27:38 One of the objects which has been put on display specifically for this month is the tale of Horus and Set, which was told on a papyrus discovered by Petri at Lahun. It dates from the 12th dynasty and tells the tale of Horus and Set wrangling over control of Egypt following the death of the god Osiris after many years of this wrangling, Set decides to change his tack and attempts to bed the god Horus. Flattering him telling him that he has beautiful buttocks and muscular thighs It's particularly fascinating that this oldest recorded chat up line in history actually appears to be a gay chat-up line Nice ass! Thanks dude

1:28:32 So I say all this to say Wow the elite don't accept people's Lifestyles they accept the fact that their obscure beliefs align With that person's lifestyle. That's that's the end-all be-all of where I went with this story Wow, you know what? I'm thinking Mo, you and I are missing out on something. What's that? Maybe we're not doing it right! I don't know a bunch of married guys with kids... This is not this seems like we're missing out on all the fun stuff all the power every the true mysteries of the world Well i'm glad you brought that up which brings us to our last set of clips because with that power with that access comes a dark side

1:29:35 And so this is David Chappelle after he when he turned down his $50 million deal and he went on the run because they said he was losing his mind. David Chappelle or Oprah? Fine, fine I'm glad you're here everybody wants to know why'd you walk away from 50 million dollars well I wasn't walking away from the money. Yeah, i was walking away from the circumstances uh-huh that they were coming with the newfound plateau yeah it takes a while when you punch through to adjust to the atmosphere It was completely outside of my frame of reference. I've been in show business since i was 14

1:30:27 And I've heard the stories of what happens and I've seen these kinds of things play out in front of me. Okay, when you say you heard the stories what do you mean? What stories I mean see before look Mariah Carey made a hundred million dollar deal and three months later She's all sudden mysteriously crazy. Oh Martin Lawrence punches through him He's waving the gun on street screaming they're trying to kill me Yeah Yeah We hear those stories and it always happens around a time in their career with it seems as though they're crossing over next plateau yeah Yeah, this is well-known stories. I would say these days there's still gossip that Rihanna may be the queen lesbian that everyone has to bow down to and maybe Beyonce as some of that role and there's a lot of talk always been a lot of talk about this yeah but the point i'm trying to make is when you take that next step

1:31:28 We are we you know tips on into that next when he said the next plateau right which is it in a sense interest in turn to use. There's a cost to it and we seen that throughout history we see that throughout this whole episode if you want to call it bad That when these people get to a certain level, it costs them certain things. Whether it's the lady at the beginning she couldn't really talk about Jasmine she couldn't really talk about how she really felt because she was talked back by her alliances even down to David Chappelle and we got a couple more clips and we're gonna wrap it up here so David Chappelle too Would you say you lost your mind sort of?

1:32:13 No, no not exactly. Okay? I wasn't crazy but it's Incredibly stressful yeah and uh I feel like in a lot of instances I was deliberately being put through stress because You know when you're a guy that generates money Yeah people have a vested interest in controlling Yeah, if you've ever seen Martin Lawrence on Inside the Actor's Studio tell his story it's even more vivid. It's really even more vivid than this. Yeah and that's okay to inside baseball I always gotta give you a little bit every time it's a common thing that

1:32:55 When black men make it in Hollywood, a majority of them had to bend over. Yes this has been said about Eddie Murphy about Arsenio Hall I know those for sure because i've heard people say it Even Quincy Jones came out and kind of substantiated a lot of this. I mean, he was like yeah this guy was with that guy and you know he was... This guy was with Marlon Brando and he was throwing names out there. I've heard about Diddy You hear this all the time Right! So it's a common theme And in his third and final clip David Chappelle is going to illustrate how they come at you in Hollywood The hardest thing to do is be true yourself especially when everybody's watching

1:33:44 Yes, yes. Show business has to do with compromise and wearing the mask you know when they say Black folks we wear that mask you walk in their boardroom It's not like you're walking a board room like what's poppin baby? You know you gotta be...You gotta put that mask on it was like we bilingual We speak job interview and we speak around each other Did you feel like a sellout I felt like they got me touching my inner coon They stirred him up When we was doing that sketch and that guy laughed, I felt like man. I felt like they got me. They got me! I mean i'm a conspiracy theorist to a degree Like when I connect dots that maybe shouldn't be connected? I don't know but certain dots like when I see it they put every black man in the movies in a dress at some point of their career...I'd be connecting them down like why all these brothers gotta wear dress this happened to me

1:34:43 I'm doing a movie with Martin. Yeah, the movies going good so I walk in a trailer I might man this must be wrong trailer cuz there's addressing here They come in The writer comes in, I think he's a writer. He's like Dave listen you got this hilarious scene where Martin sneaking out of jail so he disguises you as the prostitute and put his dress on and how was it? Prostitutes! Nah i'm not doing that don't feel comfortable with that but that should have been in discussion What? You don't feel comfortable with it. I mean, this is a hilarious bit! All the greats have done it! So well if all the greats have done it's kind of hacky right you're right so why don't we just not do it because I don't feel comfortable wearing that dress oh come on Dave listen we got it all set up we were supposed to shoot every every minute your waist costs this much money now the pressure comes in

1:35:37 He said, I'm not wearing no dress man. I'm funnier than a dress Just give me something funny to say how many wear no dress to be funny and what am i Milton Berle? You know we're going like this And if I was like ah any of these leaves and they liked it or director comes David really would be great If you wear the dress Brokeback Mountain here So Hopefully I've illustrated to a point why black people, especially black heterosexual men are apprehensive to what we view as an agenda. Some of us majority of us view it as an agenda being pushed not by the people themselves but from on high. I hope I did that with this episode. Well yes

1:36:51 We've revisited a lot of things that I haven't looked at in years and years and years. Uh, I never made the connection between uh... Well it's show business yes LGBT yes but wrap that all up into one the influences coming from above how sexuality plays into that is something I never even considered so that was very interesting dive And that's how we view it. And when you factor in survival sex, it not only have to do with things of the reason why I brought an out and they may seem like a weird inclusion into this but even on the Hollywood level those guys are looking at it as survival You know what saying? Like yes, I have to survive with my career so I'll put the dress on yeah, I had to survive, you know

1:37:53 So it's the same thing. So we have all those things connected and we see these things like Dave said, we connect the dots. Also to make people do things that they're incredibly uncomfortable with is an outstanding control mechanism. It works in all cases certainly when it comes to things around self-identity You know this is how many torture programs work It's the whole idea is to get control of somebody and then if you want to take it towards the Epstein route Maybe you take a few pictures let them know, you know that kind of changes the whole game now by the way That is what the black FBI director Edgar Hoover was known for so how deep does it all still go man Wow

1:38:49 My head is blowing up. Yes, okay How do you want to leave this because I mean I can talk with you about this for another eight hours easily It's mind control. I know that's like the end of the day but people what we do here what you guys doing on no agenda is Combating the mind control pointing out their agendas But at the same time I will say this You have to be cautious of how you address people. Just because they're participating in the agenda, God they don't might not even know right? I you guys brought up and I know we want to wrap here but there's one last thing that you brought upon think like two shows ago our last show are we seeing a widespread MK ultra program being enacted on people? And L i think that's where you were leading with it the trauma trauma thing but

1:39:56 We brought it up here the trauma based and entertainment to per trauma-based advertising, you know It every everything I'm seeing on the news today is trauma based mind control. That is what look at Greta Thunberg who looks mind-controlled is being... regardless, no 16 year old child should be put in this situation under the world spotlight continuously. I mean without any apparent supervision it is very disturbing to me. I see the Children's March and I think that's where we were talking about it the Climate March, the climate strike there was no strike! The children were

1:40:43 given permission and escorted for this issue. Don't try to do any other issues, don't strike school for that." It wasn't a strike! Everyone got the day off and they just give them signs and chants and you know that a good percentage of these children maybe 30 maybe 40 percent are on some form of medication. That is the definition of what mind control programs have been in the past MKUltra being, I know it's a conspiracy theory but go ahead. It was real and apparently it is just now on a bigger scale and it gets things done! So if they can do that with Greta in this day and time why couldn't they do it with the people outlisted here getting the same effect? The question is how does Dave Chappelle still exist

1:41:36 How could he come back? Is he resisting? There's one or two ways you can look at it. One, he is resisting and one, he is all in. All-in and he just controls the opposition aspect of it Well, Moe I can only speak for myself and I know you pretty well by now to a degree. I'm pretty sure neither of us are controlled which is why we're podcasters This is why we're not on Comedy Central this is what? Yes yes that's it Wow okay, I don't even know What we're gonna do on the next episode because this has been great

1:42:17 This has been a lot of historical pieces have been filled in for me. I'm, you know growing up in Europe I didn't have a true American education more much more Europeans so I know very little about black history I think there's a month when we're supposed to look at it, but That's a joke mo. I know But this has been phenomenal To learn this and to see how many parallels there are and how many things you just don't know about where this control is coming from And it looks like indeed and maybe this will bring it all the way around to the beginning The more things change the more they stay the same. I can't say any better myself

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1:44:00 War is hell, when will it end? When will people start getting together again? Are things really gettin' bad like the newspapers say? What else is new my friend besides what I read Can't find no work can't find no job my friend Money is tighter than it's ever been So you may not just don't understand what's going on across this land What's happening, brother? Yeah... What's happening? What's happening, my man? Are they still getting down where we used to go and dance

1:45:02 Well, I'll ball club when the minute through You think they had a chance and tell me free How in the world have you turned me inside out? I wanna know what's here What's happening, brother? What's happening, brother? What's happening, brother? What's been shaking up and down the ground?