Tuesday, 7 April 2020

32: Nocebo

A deep dive into the psychological mechanics of mass hysteria, the nocebo effect, and how media narratives function as modern rituals of coercive persuasion.

By Moe Factz with Adam Curry | 2h listen | 41 chapters
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About this episode

California Governor Gavin Newsom and White House COVID-19 response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx lead a shifting narrative as official mortality projections see drastic downward revisions. While Newsom clarifies the state's capacity for martial law, Birx highlights a massive drop in UK death estimates from 500,000 to 20,000. These developments clash with a media landscape dominated by fear-based clickbait and the push for digital vaccination receipts advocated by Bill Gates.

Historical precedents for mass psychogenic illness, including the 1518 Dancing Plague in Strasbourg and the 1962 Tanganyika laughter epidemic, provide a framework for understanding modern panic. Behavioral economist Tim Kaine analyzes the diamond-water paradox driving Costco panic buying, while cult expert Steven Hassan warns against coercive persuasion techniques used to create a new normal. From the 1983 West Bank fainting incident to the 2006 Mumbai sweet water delusion, the power of negative anticipation—the nocebo effect—demonstrates how psychological stress manifests as physical contagion.

Charlamagne Tha God and Dr. Ish Major explore theories of epigenetic inheritance and inherited trauma, while the hosts question the health impacts of chronic stress and the victimization mentality. The episode features a satirical look at pandemic memes with Conan O'Brien and a critique of Lady Gaga's One World concert branding. Through the lens of Sam Schuman’s fatal belief and the science of placebo rituals, the discussion emphasizes the necessity of mental vaccines against media-induced spells.


CHAPTER 01 / 41 Discussion

Pandemic Lockdown Life, ISP Connectivity Issues

The hosts discuss their current living situations during the April 2020 pandemic lockdowns. One host describes managing children's screen time and obsessive behavior while stuck at home. A technical delay for the episode is attributed to a router failure and ISP issues, leading to a brief discussion about reverting to physical media like DVDs and Redbox during internet outages.

pandemic· lockdown· router· isp· netflix· dvds· redbox

00:01 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for April 6, 2020. This is episode number 32. And we're still in our 2020 pandemic lockdown mode. Mo, how's the bunker over where you are? Everything's well Adam. Yeah kids good. They're not not driving you crazy driving your wife crazy. Everyone's okay Everyone's calm cool collected. No, they're definitely driving us crazy, but I mean Not as much as I expected considering Being stuck in the house with them 24-7 and how would they been on the cell phone? So they do they use them more than they usually did or I mean have you noticed any behavioral changes? Yeah

00:50 We actually have to shut them down. Oh you are? Okay, so they're a little obsessive and you are indeed limiting their time. Yeah, and they throw fits and yeah. So now the reason why we didn't do the show on Saturday is you had a problem with your ISP and your router and all kinds of stuff was messed up. Did you find out finally what it was? Was it a fiber cut as I'd read somewhere online? I'm not sure when I changed the router it fixed my problem, but I don't know if it's a coincidental with some other change that may have happened so Right. I just know what we're back up and running. That's the main thing. But more importantly, what was that like? You were at least a whole evening without Netflix

01:31 Right, so it's called DVDs. I don't know if you remember. Oh, did you go to Redbox? Is that what you did? We got a whole box full here. No, we had to dig out but okay. All right. Well, I'm glad that everything's up and running and I'm very excited to get the show on the road. Is it time to spin the wheel? Yes, please. All right, here we go. It's the Wheel of Topics. Let's see what's going on in today's MoFax with Adam Curry as we see the wheel coming down to a grinding halt. It looks like the show topic for episode number 32 is going to be... There is nothing as powerful as a changed mind. All right. That was a very powerful voice that said that.

CHAPTER 02 / 41 Discussion

Media Coverage, Psychological Impact of Coronavirus

The discussion shifts to the overwhelming nature of COVID-19 media coverage and its potential negative effects on the human psyche. Observations are made regarding how even television commercials have become "corona-inspired." A parallel is drawn to how media coverage of violent events in 2015 and 2016 influenced public behavior and aggression.

coronavirus· media coverage· psychological effect· propaganda· commercials

02:25 Yes, that's the Reverend TD Jakes. But the reason why or what angle I'm going to take on this show is exactly what we talked about. And I hate to go back into this Corona thing because I've been trying to avoid it like the plague. It's not possible. It's not possible, Mo. It's a part of life. We just got to deal with it. I think you are exactly right. It's almost impossible unless you just watch only premium channels. streaming services and don't get on social media but you can't watch regular television even the commercials are coronavirus inspired yeah and the commercials that are new are all in the corona inspired oh absolutely right so I'm started to think

03:15 What negative effect is the media coverage having on this and so and how is it shaping people's minds? As I always like to do it's always some kind of carryover from the last show to the next show and I mean I exist how my brain works and how we end it last show was how the media kind of created These people who acted out violently, I think that was charged up by media coverage of the shootings that we had in the country around 2015-16. Yes, exactly. So if that can happen from that kind of coverage and it was nowhere near the size of this,

04:04 and it's a helicopter flying on my house right now. That's how it starts Moe, you do a podcast, you get a little popularity, then the black helicopters come out, they just circle for a bit, the chemtrails are next. The irony of that, I mean that's crazy, but yeah so I was just wondering about the What would the effect be and what is the effect gonna be on people's psyche? Of the commercials or just media in general during this time? Just the media in general. That's a very good topic. For instance, so if I said to you five years ago, martial law, people would have, not you, but most people would have rolled their eyes

CHAPTER 03 / 41 Discussion

Martial Law, Governor Gavin Newsom Authority

The conversation addresses the shift in public perception regarding martial law, noting that what was once considered a conspiracy theory is now being discussed by officials. California Governor Gavin Newsom is heard in a clip discussing the state's capacity to enforce authority, though he notes it is not yet a necessity. The hosts debate whether martial law is a federal or state-level power.

martial law· gavin newsom· california· state rights· lockdown

04:55 Well, and like, oh, conspiracy theory. In fact, uh, five, no, I'd say more like... seven or eight years ago, there was lots of conspiracy theories very similar to the ones you hear now. Martial law, it's going to be a lockdown, the president's going to use... At the time, I think Obama had just gotten the message system where you could message every single American on their cell phone. So, you know, they said like, he's going to use that, he's going to control us, it's going to be martial law. And of course, everyone looked at you like, what are you crazy?

05:33 But fast forward, we have Gavin. If you want to establish a framework of martial law, which is ultimate authority and enforcement, we have the capacity to do that. But we are not at this moment feeling that is a necessity. Gavin Newsom, governor of California. You know, hearing that clip for the second time, I'm just wondering if martial law, if that can actually be done by an individual state or if that has to be a federal thing by definition. Oh, they'll definitely lean into state rights. I mean, what am I even thinking? Of course, of course, if Gavin wants to do it, he'll be able to do it. You're right. You're right. Or if I told you there were billionaires asking questions and talking about digital receipts

CHAPTER 04 / 41 Discussion

Digital Vaccination Receipts, Post-9/11 Privacy Shifts

The hosts compare the current pandemic response to the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, suggesting this event will permanently reshape societal norms regarding privacy and surveillance. Mention is made of Bill Gates advocating for digital receipts to prove vaccination status. The segment also touches on the "weaponization of humanity" through social pressure to wear face masks in cities like Austin.

bill gates· digital receipts· vaccinations· 9/11· privacy· face masks

06:27 to prove that you've been vaccinated. Yes. You would have called me a conspiracy theorist, but we see Bill Gates. You should listen to one of my earlier shows, Moe. This is to me, this is just like, oh, what we're playing. We're hitting the rewind button. Been there, done it, love it. Right. So I'm just saying that how fast we're moving. And I've said that on not the last show we did, but the other show we did on this topic. This is the new 9-11. It's going to shape Everything you know if you just said pre 9-11 we're gonna tap your phones and you won't have any privacy people to push back against that but afterwards yeah it's like okay it's a given so I mean I just wanted to open the show up where we're headed. Very good and I'll just add as a caveat the event

07:16 Of course, it's nothing like a 9-11, but it's really about the aftermath. It's like, okay, so we have a big event. What little steps initially are going to be taken? What things will happen? What is the weapons of mass destruction of this event? Which of course we know turned out to be completely bogus, but it sent us into the Middle East and it, you know, did a lot of things. So what are we going to see from this event? I think you just have to... It's us! It's the shi- yeah, exactly. We are the WMDs. That's right. That's the scary part about it is like they've weaponized humanity. You're so right. You know, we just got our face mask in because you can't go outside in Austin anymore without one. People give you the stink eye.

08:04 Even though it's optional. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah people giving you the stink eye and I think that's gonna be everywhere So everyone will just have to cover their it doesn't have to be a million and 95 mass But even if you have a bandana or something, oh, yeah. Oh, yes stink eye if you're not wearing it So that's important. That's that's weaponizing us in a way. Yes So I just wanted I guess we clip heavy so I want to go ahead and dive right in. Um And we have a doctor, I mean, excuse me, Robert Piat, Robert Piat, PhD. There is this push in the media to be the first to get out whatever the latest breaking information, especially around the coronavirus epidemic is. You know, they can stake their claim on that, which at times means the information they're getting out isn't necessarily vetted. It's not been confirmed. And science is based on the confirmation of our results. It's not been confirmed scientifically. It's not been confirmed by another expert. So at times we have some questionable information that's getting out there.

09:05 The other side of that is you have a public that's receiving that, that is dealing with a large volume of information, a large volume of very complicated medical information. And as anybody who's been to their doctor knows, medical information inherently is filled with jargon and and complex ideas. So you do have a clash going on right now where we're not giving ourselves the time or in some cases the effective methodology to do the best job at communicating, but we're pushing more and more of this content on a public that's not prepared to handle it. Interesting. Now he's a professor?

CHAPTER 05 / 41 Discussion

Robert Piat, Scientific Communication Challenges

Dr. Robert Piat, a professor at Keene University, explains the risks of media outlets rushing to break coronavirus news without proper scientific vetting. He highlights the clash between complex medical jargon and a public unprepared to process high volumes of unconfirmed information. The hosts argue that independent media serves as a necessary counterbalance to mainstream "doom and gloom" narratives.

robert piat· keene university· molecular genetics· scientific vetting· jargon

08:04 Even though it's optional. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah people giving you the stink eye and I think that's gonna be everywhere So everyone will just have to cover their it doesn't have to be a million and 95 mass But even if you have a bandana or something, oh, yeah. Oh, yes stink eye if you're not wearing it So that's important. That's that's weaponizing us in a way. Yes So I just wanted I guess we clip heavy so I want to go ahead and dive right in. Um And we have a doctor, I mean, excuse me, Robert Piat, Robert Piat, PhD. There is this push in the media to be the first to get out whatever the latest breaking information, especially around the coronavirus epidemic is. You know, they can stake their claim on that, which at times means the information they're getting out isn't necessarily vetted. It's not been confirmed. And science is based on the confirmation of our results. It's not been confirmed scientifically. It's not been confirmed by another expert. So at times we have some questionable information that's getting out there.

09:05 The other side of that is you have a public that's receiving that, that is dealing with a large volume of information, a large volume of very complicated medical information. And as anybody who's been to their doctor knows, medical information inherently is filled with jargon and and complex ideas. So you do have a clash going on right now where we're not giving ourselves the time or in some cases the effective methodology to do the best job at communicating, but we're pushing more and more of this content on a public that's not prepared to handle it. Interesting. Now he's a professor?

09:48 Yes, he's a professor at Keene University, assistant professor of molecular geneticists. Yeah, so he's not like a... He's not a behavioral scientist, but okay. No, so I just found it interesting that how he said about How information is just pushed out there and every media is trying to be the you know the one that breaks the news or Has the latest information? Yes, and it's not really being vetted. Well, not at all In fact, there's not even questions being asked in particular. What is the underlying data? I mean I keep hearing about this new model and that model and now we're using those guys Analysis, it's very it's it's

10:40 Far from transparent. And it's really the Wild Wild West. I mean, everybody's just got their own. I mean, they have one narrative that is terrible, like the worst thing to ever happen. That's the narrative. But it's the scare tactics. They all are coming at different angles. And it's just, I find it very disturbing. And I'm having this show as a counter to that. I think independent media, such as podcasting, has always run counter to the mainstream. And I think this is a great opportunity for us, and I want to say us, to run counter to balance the mainstream media, to be the counterbalance to it, where everything's not doom and gloom and over. I don't hear anything positive, nothing positive.

CHAPTER 06 / 41 Discussion

Pandemic Pop Culture, Priming the Public

The discussion explores how Hollywood films like "Contagion" and "Outbreak" primed the public for pandemic scenarios. The hosts note that many scientists currently appearing in the media served as consultants for these films, helping to bake terms like "social distancing" into the cultural lexicon long before the 2020 crisis.

contagion· outbreak· social distancing· hollywood· pandemic movies

11:38 It's all just doom and gloom. Right, and yes, that is the mainstream model. It's built on doom and gloom and fear and once in a while at the end of the newscast you'll literally hear the newscaster say, and now on a lighter note we saved a kitten from a tree and everyone feels good. So that's what you want to do when you have... And then it's just a positive for Corona. Yeah. Exactly. Well, you and I have talked about this before. It's a lot of... we're so primed for this. All the movies, the horror movies, the, you know, the

12:16 The big pandemics, the contagion, outbreak, I mean all of them. We're ready for this. In fact, many of the scientists you're seeing speaking today in the public arena consulted on some of these films and so they're using the same terms. Like social distancing actually pops up, I think, in contagion. All of these terms. So yeah, it's baked in, we were primed and boy did we run for the hills when we were told to. And I think it's maybe, maybe even more sinister than that. And that's where I'm headed with this show.

CHAPTER 07 / 41 Discussion

Clickbait Risks, Scientific Trust Erosion

Dr. Robert Piat continues his critique of inflammatory online content and clickbait that erodes public trust in experts. The hosts pivot to a critique of academia, questioning why similar skepticism isn't applied to climate change models. They suggest that university funding structures prevent professors from challenging certain mainstream scientific narratives.

clickbait· social media· misinformation· climate change· university funding

12:57 Let's get into part two of Mr. Robert Pyle. You're seeing some of that risk play out today, the risk of the public not understanding. And that's through a lot of the clickbait, false information that we see that's permeating the Internet and a lot of our social media. It erodes our trust in our experts. It erodes the trust in the process itself. There are people whose entire job is to set up and post exciting inflammatory articles to drive clicks to a website. They don't care about content, they don't care about science, they don't care about trying to better a person's life through education. We need scientists who can communicate effectively to get out into the public to talk about it. So again, it comes back to our understanding of the scientific process, of what that evidence means,

13:51 and what that means for our society. Where was this guy when we were all going to die in 10 years from climate change, according to the models? Where was he then? I didn't see him walking around saying anything then, but I'll just kick back and relax. Well, he works at a university, so you got to pick your battles. This is true. If you want to keep your gate open. Yeah, yeah, you stepping on some step on the wrong toes if you're trying to work in at a university, right which is majorly funded by climate change Mm-hmm, but there is positive news or at least not a

CHAPTER 08 / 41 Discussion

Dr. Deborah Birx, UK Mortality Model Adjustments

Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House COVID-19 response coordinator, discusses significant downward adjustments in UK mortality projections, which dropped from 500,000 to 20,000 deaths. She explains the complexity of modeling asymptomatic transmission and the "attack rate" of the virus. The hosts question why this positive news received minimal media coverage compared to the initial dire predictions.

deborah birx· imperial college· mortality models· asymptomatic· white house

14:27 silver lining maybe but it doesn't get any airtime and an example of that is miss miss dr. Burks my favorite of course the the shawl lady yes so dr. Burks she is the She's the COVID-19 response coordinator for the White House. Yes, yes, yes. She came out and spoke about what you like to speak a lot about and the models. I'm sure many of you saw the recent report out of the UK about them adjusting completely their needs. This is really quite important. If you remember, that was the report that said there would be 500,000 deaths in the UK and 2.2 million deaths in the United States. They've adjusted that number in the UK to 20,000. So half a million to 20,000. We're looking into this in great detail to understand that adjustment.

15:29 I'm going to say something that's a little bit complicated, but I'm going to try to do it in a way that we can all understand it together. In the model, either you have to have a large group of people who are asymptomatic, who've never presented for any test, order to have the kind of numbers that were predicted to get to 60 million people infected or of 6 million people infected you have to have a large group of asymptomatic because in no country to date have we seen an attack rate over one in a thousand yes this is the first time that the models changed and I you're right this this barely got any airtime that they've actually chosen yet another model

16:16 Yeah, it was announced on Sunday, but not even who it was from. Was it Washington State University? Was it the Chris Murray model? I mean, it's just, it seems like, oh, well, the numbers are much lower. Okay, let's ratchet down our model a little bit, which I think just shows these models are way overblown, but we're certainly responding to it as if millions of people are still going to die. And just put it in perspective for people. If you have $500,000 in your bank account when you went to bed, and you woke up and there's only $20,000 in there the next day. You'd notice. You would notice. But in this case, that's great news. That is literally great news, but it was buried. Why? That's my question. Why? Well, I think that

CHAPTER 09 / 41 Discussion

Global Agendas, Financial Market Incentives

The hosts analyze various institutional agendas during the crisis, including the pharmaceutical industry's push for vaccines and the geopolitical oil conflict between Saudi Arabia and Russia. They suggest that financial news outlets like CNBC may offer more "honest" reporting because their audience's money depends on accuracy rather than just fear-based clicks.

bill gates· pharmaceutical industry· wall street· cnbc· oil prices

17:16 I believe that there's a number of, there's a lot of agendas in the room, Mo. The media has an agenda, which is to do a gotcha to trip Trump up and make him look stupid. Which is sad, it's sad. I'm very sad about that. There's some good questions, I watch all these briefings. There's an agenda by the pharmaceutical industry. This is the Bill Gates, everyone has to get vaccinated. He's not shy about saying it, he's not shy. In fact, Gates is now everywhere and the guy who really haven't looked at too much for the past, I don't know, five or six years, now he's becoming very interesting to look at again because somehow he knows better than everybody else. So he has an agenda.

18:03 The Wall Street has an agenda, the oil problem that's going on right now between Saudi Arabia and Russia which will involve the United States. It's all different. Everyone's jumping on. As we know, you never let a good crisis go to waste. Well, Wall Street is funny in this situation because bad news is not really good for them. So their really business news is some of the most I'm gonna regret saying this, some of the most honest news you can watch right now. It's better to watch CNBC than anything else. You'll actually learn something. Right, because they're

18:43 Money is riding on how this thing turns out. So they don't want to be huge Use fear tactics because that's net effects the well, they do they do the opposite negative. Yeah, they're all With with CNBC, it's no matter what it's a buying opportunity The markets down 3,000 points buying opportunity. Hey, we're up. Do you think this is a buying opportunity? I mean, so they have their own short short And they have their own agenda too. And yeah, you can make a lot of money in a down market if you're shorting it. There's a lot of ways to make money to be made. But I think, yeah, you're right. It's more honest news in general.

CHAPTER 10 / 41 Discussion

Steven Hassan, Mind Control Spectrum

Mental health professional and cult expert Steven Hassan presents a model for understanding the spectrum of influence, ranging from healthy informed consent to destructive manipulation. He warns against the use of guilt and fear to create "obedient slaves." The hosts apply this framework to modern media consumption, urging listeners to protect their own minds.

steven hassan· mind control· cults· informed consent· deception

19:22 So this next clip is going to do a little foreshadowing to where we're headed with the show and overall. And this is, is technology controlling your mind? I can tell you as a mental health professional, someone who has been helping people get out of cults and mind control and brainwashing situations for 40 years, constantly people are confused. What is a cult? What is mind control? What is brainwashing? Oh, my boss brainwashes me. Oh, advertising brainwashes me. The government brainwashes me, etc. But what I'm here to say is actually I want to present a model for you to think about, a spectrum from healthy to unhealthy influence. Healthy influence, there's informed consent.

20:16 You know what you're getting involved with. You know about the person. There's choice. On the destructive side, there's deception. There's manipulation. On the healthy side, it respects your free will. It respects your conscience, where the unhealthy side is using guilt manipulation, fear manipulation, and wanting you to become tranced out, obedient slaves. And we have on this continuum some themes. Again, this is not a binary of all or nothing. This is a spectrum.

20:57 And my call to action is your minds are precious and only you should control your mind. Yeah, well you better put that iPhone down then. So I want people to use this clip to judge when they watch the media. Are they giving me a choice? Or are they trying to scare the crap out of me? and you'll find yourself on that negative end of the spectrum when you watch the majority of the news. In fairness, this is from I think CNBC, it's funny that you said that, this next clip, and this is asking is there too much fear over the coronavirus? Tim Kaine is the J.P. Conte fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and he is a behavioral

CHAPTER 11 / 41 Discussion

Tim Kaine, Behavioral Economics of Panic

Behavioral economist Tim Kaine from the Hoover Institution analyzes the "panic buying" phenomenon at retailers like Costco. He references the diamond-water paradox to explain how people currently value a sense of assurance over material goods. Kaine argues that the panic is disproportionate to the actual fatality rate of the disease.

tim kaine· hoover institution· costco· panic buying· diamond-water paradox

21:50 economist. Sir, welcome. Great to have you here, Tim. Is there too much panic right now? There's way too much panic. I thought a lot about Costco and that panic buying. In fact, I made my wife go with me because I wanted to see it as an economist. And, you know, Costco is going to keep restocking their shelves. So I actually think in a week some of the panic buying is going to die down as long as the government lets the market system work. You're a behavioral economist. What is the behavior you're seeing either anecdotally or on video or in person? What is it telling you about

22:28 human behavior and how we act and how we spend. Well, you know, supply and demand shift. That's the ultimate behavior that we're seeing. In fact, there's a paradox that goes back. They call it the diamond water paradox. Tyler, what's more valuable, a bucket full of diamonds or a bucket full of water? If you're in the middle of the desert, you know, the water is a lot more valuable. People right now, what they value most is not water or diamonds. It's a sense of assurance and that things are going to be okay. I think they're going to realize pretty quickly, one, the disease, this coronavirus, it's just not that fatal. In fact, when you compare values over time, the value of life, for example, women in the year 1910, one in a hundred pregnant women died the day of giving birth. This disease is about that fatal. Look, we survived that.

23:15 We're going to survive this just fine. Yeah, I'm a little confused about these statements because of course I follow this very closely and I'm in agreement with the numbers. That's my problem is the numbers don't add up to any of the hysteria, but there are some individual anecdotal examples of the sickness people are getting and that it worries me although the explanation I have for currently is there really two strains of this thing and some of these severe cases like New York, Wuhan, Northern Italy that's a different strain from what the rest is getting but I really don't know because I don't have the information so I

CHAPTER 12 / 41 Discussion

Corona Beer, Virus Name Misinformation

A news segment highlights the confusion among some members of the public who believe the coronavirus is linked to Corona beer. Google searches for "beer virus" spiked, leading the beer's parent company to halt production temporarily. The hosts use this as a data point to illustrate how easily the public can be misinformed through simple word association.

corona beer· google searches· word association· misinformation· cdc

24:01 From the numbers itself. Yeah, it's blown way out of proportion, but there's too many unknowns and that's that's a that's a really good Factor to have if you want to frighten people well I have another scenario that I would like to introduce later on and As we make our way down the clip list all right that nobody has discussed, but just to show you the power of misinformation This next clip is people believe coronavirus is linked to dot, dot, dot. I know what's coming. Tonight's Factor Fiction is brought to you by America's Finest Carpet. In tonight's Factor Fiction, we are looking into some confusion people are having about the coronavirus. A story going around today claims that many people think the illness sweeping the globe is connected to Corona the beer.

24:58 It's true. Google searches have spiked since January the 18th for the terms beer coronavirus, which you see in yellow there, beer virus, which you see in blue, and corona beer virus, which you see in red. So far, Corona Beer's parent company has yet to comment about this. According to the CDC, the coronavirus gets its name from the crown-like spikes it shows under a microscope. Corona in Latin is Latin for crown. Something like that. Like this. I don't know Latin. Something like that. People are doing research, Mo. You know, they got questions like, oh, I heard something about Corona. Corona beer. I don't know. This, we need to use this as a data point of how misinformed, how do you, a beer? And so it's so much so that they actually have stopped producing Corona, the beer.

25:57 Is that so? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Yeah, well, they said it was because it was a non-essential but every other beer company is pumping out beer as fast as they can go. Now it's not moving off the shelves is what it is. I mean, that's just my perspective on that. But just imagine people are trying, mentally are trying to link a beer with a virus. You can't ignore that data point of the misinformation or... I would say probably under-informed people read headlines. Yeah, it's word association, but it's

CHAPTER 13 / 41 Discussion

Pearl Harbor Meme, Conan O'Brien Satire

The hosts criticize the media's use of the "Pearl Harbor" meme to describe the pandemic's peak week. To lighten the mood, they play a satirical clip from Conan O'Brien's show that mocks the way President Trump's statements on the virus spread like a pathogen. The segment encourages listeners to use humor to diffuse propaganda.

pearl harbor· donald trump· conan o'brien· satire· propaganda

26:44 You can get people to think that or if they make that leap on their own if you roll out the people in the white coats I've got what his name is, but today this week is our Pearl Harbor. Yeah, I've heard this mean Yeah, that's the meme that they're pushing today. Yeah, and I'm like what I mean cuz I Yeah, so well what what this really manipulating people and it's sick and I'm really pissed off about it I can tell I can I mean I've been doing this a while so I have somewhat I've built up some immunity But yeah, it's totally sick. You're right actually launching the Pearl Harbor meme in context of racial Discrimination is pretty sick thing to do. Yeah, so um, but luckily luckily

27:40 I was able to dig up something that may be a help to us, and that is how to stop the spread of misinformation. America is facing a growing epidemic unlike we've ever seen. It's causing widespread panic, roiling the stock market, and infecting our loved ones at an alarming rate. This pandemic is Donald Trump saying stupid things about coronavirus. The virus. They're working hard. Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, miraculously goes away. Hope that's true. We have it totally under control. It's one person coming Coming in from China. Containing this will be a daunting task. Here's how Trump saying stupid things about coronavirus spreads. The airborne particles travel through the air and enter your body as sound waves, overwhelming your brain. Sadly, the group most vulnerable to Donald Trump saying stupid things about coronavirus is the elderly. But don't panic. There are simple steps to protect yourself and avoid infection. First, distract yourself by washing your hands.

28:39 Buy surgical masks and place them over your ears. Avoid large gatherings of angry white people. And most importantly, do not touch your Facebook. Follow these simple steps and you too can keep America safe from Donald Trump saying stupid things about coronavirus. But I'm not going to lie, a lot of old people are going to get infected. Where is that from? That was cute. Where is that from? I think that was from Conan. That was nice. It was cute. Yeah. And I played that to lighten the mood because If I come here and present the propaganda and don't diffuse it, then I'm part of the problem. So I mean, that's kind of how we should look at this thing is have a laugh, eat, drink, be merry. That's why I live by. Enjoy. I think we should look at this glass half full.

CHAPTER 14 / 41 Discussion

Tanganyika Laughter Epidemic, 1962 Mass Hysteria

A historical account describes the 1962 laughter epidemic in a village near the Uganda border, which began with three schoolgirls and eventually affected over 1,000 people. The "contagion" forced the closure of 14 schools and lasted up to 18 months. Investigators ruled out environmental factors, classifying it as a classic case of mass hysteria.

tanganyika· laughter epidemic· uganda· mass hysteria· 1962

29:32 Yeah, you're stuck in your house, but I'm stuck in the house with my kids I mean what other time could I spend this amount of time you had you had no no you had a glass that was half full The kids drank it. That's the problem. Yes, they did and they backwashed like Backwashing kids All right. So as I always like to do I always like to put historical context to most of the topics I cover and And and these next to the clips the first two are somewhat long. So please forgive me and bear with me We're gonna go down. It's you like this right Adam. Yeah, love them. Yeah, so we're gonna go down the top five and

30:16 5. Bizarre Cases of Mass Hysteria Mass hysteria refers to collective delusions of threats to society that spread rapidly through rumours and fear. Now that you know the definition of it, the video will be easier to understand. Welcome to 5 Bizarre Cases of Mass Hysteria. 5. Tanganyika Laughter Epidemic This outbreak happened in 1962 in a small village near the border of Uganda and Africa. It began on January 30th, 3 school girls began to laugh uncontrollably. This began to start rapidly spreading throughout the school. It ended up affecting 95 out of the 159 pupils, they were aged 12-18. Most symptoms lasted for a few hours but in some students it lasted for up to 16 days, could you just imagine laughing non stop for 16 days? The teachers were not affected by the epidemic

31:09 as they were unsure to what was causing it, they were forced to close the school in march of 1962. once the school closed, the laughter spread throughout the village and ended up making its way to another village close by. within april and may, 217 people had laughing attacks in the village, most of them are school children and young adults. the school reopened on may 21st but closed again in june as people were still suffering from the laughter. During june the laughter spread once again, this time it was to another school, it affected 48 girls. The epidemic lasted 6 to 18 months then it died off. In total 14 schools were shut down and 1000 people were affected. An investigation was set out but no possible cause was found for the laughter relating to conditions in the area such as air pollution and gas. It was ruled out as a case of mass hysteria.

32:03 That's a very... I had not heard that. Laughter! But, but, I was actually looking it up. There was a couple of months Years ago when the first Gardasil HPV shots were being deployed And there was a big push against it and there was some weird stuff happening yet you might remember the video of a cheerleader who could only walk backwards after the shot and some weird stuff and there was a group of High school girls in upstate New York and they all developed this syndrome and

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West Bank Fainting Epidemic, 1983 Chemical Warfare Fears

In 1983, nearly 1,000 Palestinians, mostly schoolgirls, were hospitalized for fainting and nausea. While initial reports blamed Israeli chemical warfare or nerve gas, medical investigators eventually determined the event was a mass hysteria triggered by psychological stress and the tense political climate of the region.

west bank· fainting· palestine· israel· mass hysteria· 1983

32:40 hysterical laughing for days on end and just going into hysterics and they couldn't stop. And the weird case about this is it jumped from one village to the other, to the next village. Now laughter is not a, it's not a disease, but somehow in the human condition with hysteria, if you mentally start thinking something or fearing something, it can actually, it can happen. 4. 1983 West Bank Fainting Epidemic This occurred in late March and early April of 1983 in a Palestinian town called Arabah, it first started in a school

33:29 a female student ran to a window, she was coughing and complained of breathing difficulties. within hours 6 other students complained of the same symptoms. panic soon spread throughout the school and many other students began to complain of the symptoms. some students also vomited and complained they had blurred vision and many students fainted. students were taken to hospitals close to the school the female israeli soldiers who escorted the girls also complained of the symptoms. within the school 32 girls were affected. over the next two weeks the epidemic spread to other schools in close by towns. in total 943 people were hospitalized

34:10 The Israeli military closed schools that were affected for 20 days. Later on during late march and early april a second wave of the epidemic started, 367 people fell ill. Due to the Palestine and Israel conflict it was believed that the symptoms were caused by a chemical warfare attack. and many people were arrested but after many tests no traces of chemicals were found. On March 28th 1983 a newspaper claimed that an Israeli military investigator had found traces of nerve gas within the area. The newspaper also said they suspected Palestinian militants were poisoning their own people in order to blame Israel to provoke an attack. Although this was never really backed with any hard evidence.

34:55 In the end, the epidemic was said to be a case of mass hysteria caused by stress. Hmm, it's like if someone vomits on an airplane then other people have sympathetic vomiting literally So this and that is that it's a that's the one of the best Examples of mass hysteria. Okay. I'm in I'm engaged we go to number three thing is before we do

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Louisiana Twitching Epidemic, 1939 Attention Seeking

A 1939 incident in a Louisiana school involved female students developing uncontrollable muscle twitches, starting with a single girl at a school dance. The phenomenon spread to other students, causing parental alarm. Investigators eventually concluded the behavior was a form of mass hysteria driven by a desire for attention.

louisiana· twitching· mass hysteria· 1939· school dance

35:39 Two things, one notice how government weaponized this hysteria on both sides. You had the Palestinians and then you had the Israelis. Both saying, oh it's the other guy. Think about that in this example of we have that right? It's them. It's not it's it's China. It's America. Yeah. No, I'm with you and number two is if The sympathetic thing that you brought up is a valid point of if you see somebody vomit then you vomit what that's one thing But this thing is jumping villages. How does how does that happen? I

36:24 I don't have an answer but I do have an answer but not yet. But let's get to number three. You tease, you tease. Number three Louisiana twitching epidemic of 1939. This happened during the spring in a school in Louisiana. The female students there began to randomly twitch uncontrollably and were unable to stop. It all started when one female student's leg began to start twitching uncontrollably while at a school dance. after the next few weeks her leg would continue to twitch at random times during the day. The twitch once forced her to stop playing basketball as she was unable to stand. News soon spread about her twitching and other students began to twitch. One student's chest and neck would twitch throughout the day. Students began to have twitching attacks

37:12 and the parents started to get worried. They believed it may have been some type of disease that was causing the twitching. A few weeks later, the twitching stopped. Investigators studied the case and concluded that the girls were attention seeking and ruled it as a case of mass hysteria. You know what's gonna happen? I'm gonna get mass hysteria and start talking like this guy who's doing the voiceover. It was really crazy and they got mass hysteria. And then I'm gonna catch it. But yeah, we got laughter, twitching, fainting. And this is not, we're not talking about viral things. These are just... No, it's transmitted through brainwaves or something or whatever. Who knows?

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Mumbai Sweet Water Incident, 2006 Pollution Delusion

In 2006, residents of Mumbai flocked to Mahim Creek to drink seawater they claimed had miraculously turned sweet, despite the water being heavily polluted with sewage. The phenomenon lasted 18 hours before the water was reported as salty again. The hosts link this sensory delusion to reports of COVID-19 patients losing their sense of taste and smell.

mumbai· mahim creek· sweet water· sewage· mass hysteria· 2006

37:56 but let's go ahead and wrap up and see who comes into the number one slot. Number 2 Mumbai Sweet Water Incident This incident occurred in 2006. It was a strange phenomenon in which residents of Mumbai, India claimed that the seawater of Mahim Creek had suddenly turned sweet. Within hours, residents of a nearby beach also claimed the water had turned sweet. This caused mass hysteria among people and they started coming in large numbers to drink the sea water. The water is heavily polluted with sewage, this caused a fear within local authorities as they thought there may have been a severe outbreak of a waterborne disease. So yeah, they was drinking sewage water and believed it tasted sweet. The pollution control board warned people not to drink the water

38:42 but despite this, many people went to collect it in bottles. The phenomenon only lasted 18 hours. After this, people said it tasted salty again. It's unsure whether it actually tasted sweet or people were just deluded. There have been many theories to what caused it to taste sweet. They have ranged from rainfall to currents of the sea, but in the end, it was ruled as a case of mass hysteria. Interesting, so the actual taste buds registered something different in their brain. That's sweet and we're talking about sewage water here. Just as an interesting side note that one of the apparent symptoms of onset of coronavirus is losing your sense of taste and smell. And that cropped up late right? That was not in the beginning, no.

39:39 Not that I can trace back at least. And there's a couple other symptoms that cropped up late. I'm not specific on which ones, but I don't think it was the... I'm not gonna speak to that. But yeah, losing a taste bud. I don't remember that being one of the original symptoms. So... Just think though, they're drinking sewage water and thinking it's great. And thinking it's sweet. So much so that they're bottling it up and taking it home. Isn't that what beer manufacturers learned eventually? It's just, here's this crap we're going to serve you and you're going to love it. And we start to love it. When you were a kid, did you like beer? No. You're like, eh, that's nasty. Not at all. Did you like smoking? No, it's nasty. No, you've never smoked. Did you ever smoke?

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Dancing Plague of 1518, Strasbourg France

The "Dancing Plague" of 1518 in Strasbourg, France, saw 400 people dance uncontrollably for a month, leading to numerous deaths from heart attacks and exhaustion. While theories ranging from spider bites to ergot poisoning were proposed, it remains a primary historical example of mass psychogenic illness. The hosts note that modern mass communication could scale such hysteria.

dancing plague· strasbourg· 1518· exhaustion· mass hysteria

40:27 Nah, I never smoked a cigarette in my life. Yeah, so um, I said that was number one, but that was number two. So let's wrap up with the final, the winner. of the mass hysteria contest. Here we go ladies and gentlemen. Number one. Dancing plague of 1518. This was a case of dancing mania that took place in Strasbourg, France in July 1518. Around 400 people danced for days without rest. The epidemic lasted for about a month and some people died of heart attacks, strokes and exhaustion from the non-stop dancing. The outbreak began in July 1518. A woman by the name of Mrs Troffea began to start dancing in the street in Strasbourg.

41:18 This lasted somewhere between 4 to 6 days. Within a week, 34 others had joined her and within a month there were around 400 dancers. Most of them eventually died from exhaustion. Historical documents found in Strasbourg mention the dancing but it's still unsure to why they danced. There have been possible theories to what caused it. One possible explanation is a spider bite. When bitten by a wolf spider, the symptoms of dancing mania occur. Although it's very unlikely that it was a spider bite as it affected a large amount of people, it was ruled as mass hysteria. Dance mania!

42:00 Oh, and dad from dancing. We should have. We should. So, okay. I mean, these are nothing on the scale of the, the mania you're insinuating, I believe, but I like the theory I'm rolling with you. Well, there's one thing that we have that they don't have and that's mass communication. That's correct. So just let that sink in. Uh, so you have to ask yourself what dancing, laughing, fainting, drinking sewage water and thinking is sweet. And what was the other one? A twitch. None of these are diseases. I mean, there's no pathogen that you can catch. It's like an emulation of behavior, an emulation of symptoms without an underlying disease.

CHAPTER 19 / 41 Discussion

Bill Gates, Cult Leader Dynamics

The hosts discuss the characteristics of cults, noting that followers rarely realize they are in one. They cast Bill Gates as a modern "cult leader" figure whose wealth and previous predictions about pandemics have granted him an aura of absolute authority among his adherents. The segment explores how society accepts cultish behavior when it is practiced by the majority.

bill gates· cults· mind control· mia donovan· messiah complex

42:48 Have you been taking advantage of the of the Rona holiday and studying up on your medical journals Moe? Is that what you've been doing? No, I have not. When I get an inch it just takes me, I follow where it takes me. I like it. And one of my favorite destinations is my control. Yes. Yep. So we had to figure out how how real mind control works. It's interesting to look at cults from an academic perspective because they are one of the few real instances where real mind control is really used in real life. Nobody wakes up and says, hey, I'm going to go join a cult. That's Mia Donovan, and she's an expert on cults since she made a movie about them.

43:31 available on Netflix. Nobody in a cult will say they're in a cult. Similarly, nobody in Minnesota will admit they actually live in Canada, but that doesn't make it not true. So what is a cult? Well, most of these groups have a front as a Bible study or political or some other sort of group. But what makes a cult a cult is often that overwhelming influence the leader has over their followers. One could call it brainwashing. Mmm, yes. So in this situation, we've had the leader step forward for the brainwashing. Mr. Bill Gates. Yes. Yeah, he's one of the many. I think there's a couple others involved in it, but Gates is the authority. He's the one that we're all looking to because he must have the answers because, you know, he's rich. And he predicted it. I mean, if you let the adherence to his cult

44:30 let them talk and listen to them, he called this years off. So he stepped into the spotlight. Not a hard call. A lot of people have done this, but he's rich. So yeah, okay. Gotcha. Yeah. It's like saying one day it's gonna rain. And when it rains, it's like, I told you. That's right. And I'm rich, so believe me now. Right, so and and just as another parallel with with the Common Control the same thing they had to create their cult leader the greater. Oh is that? Civil rights movement. Yeah. Yeah Okay, yeah, exactly how to have this you got to have this figure that everybody is

CHAPTER 20 / 41 Discussion

Coercive Persuasion, Breaking Down the Individual

Expert Rick Ross explains the three-step process of "coercive persuasion": breaking the individual down, introducing new ideas, and reinforcement. The hosts argue that pandemic measures like isolation and "social distancing" mirror the first stage of this process, making the public more susceptible to new societal rules and "alone together" messaging.

rick ross· coercive persuasion· isolation· social distancing· brainwashing

45:16 It hears to and like, oh yeah, this that the great Messiah. We see this all the time with these, these different calls to pop up, but it's funny that people condemn them. But when they participate in cultish behavior. Yes, it's totally acceptable if it's the majority to participate in it. Oh, that's how good cult works. Of course. Yeah So let's get into my how my control works, too Now the actual process of brainwashing is somewhat disappointingly abstract and in concrete There's no three-step guide to brainwashing your cult followers. The process is more of an

45:54 art than the science. So here's your scientific three-step guide to brainwashing your cult followers. The first stage is break people down, you know, get them broken. So that's Rick Ross, no relation, and he's also an expert on cults. He calls this process coercive persuasion since he's an academic and doesn't have to worry about clickbaiting YouTube viewers. Say you get invited to a talk or a dinner by a group of people that that you've never met before and suddenly you're like the center of attention. And everybody's showering you with affection and praise and interest. And this is something that a lot of cults will do because that's a very irresistible thing to be at the center of somebody's attention.

46:37 Making people feel special is an overwhelmingly great feeling that traps them in Overall in this stage you need to as Rick says talk about everything negative in the world negative in their life Put a lot of pressure on them to crack and break and then second Change them, you know once they're in that broken state introduce your ideas Okay Is this sounding familiar? Well in many different ways, yes, of course, of course. Stay at home, the world's coming to an end, don't go outside so you isolate your potential. Social distance. Uh-huh. But then you come back and say, oh, we're alone together. Or, you know, what's that term they're using? It's stay home and alone together.

47:31 Yeah, is it alone together? Yeah, I think it's alone together. Now you're part of us. Now you're part of us, just like the Hollywood stars, you know, come on in. They had these on Instagram, these DJs that are throwing parties, playing the music. So now we're all in this together. That's right. This is my pretty piece. Yeah, so you broke them down we for about two weeks now. They just don't go outside. You're gonna die Don't go outside. You're gonna die, but now let's just party at home We're all together and I I heard today that they're gonna have some kind of big Telethon or something like yes, this is going to be the this is the this you want some mind control. This will be the Hold on a second. Let me let me I don't want to miss quarter. This is the Lady Gaga deal and

CHAPTER 21 / 41 Discussion

One World Concert, Lady Gaga Hand Signals

The hosts discuss the "One World: Together at Home" concert curated by Lady Gaga in partnership with the World Health Organization. They speculate on the symbolic nature of the event and predict a new hand signal—a rectangular box made with thumbs and forefingers—will be used to represent "home" and unity, which they liken to occult or cultic branding.

lady gaga· global citizen· who· hand signals· illuminati

48:19 It's the global citizen group, you know that do that thing in Central Park the global festival yes, so now they're the global coronavirus citizen and It's going to be called one world It's global citizen in the World Health Organization and Announce the one world concert a Lady Gaga curated concert special Oh here it is and then one world together at home nice And with Lady Gaga is perfect for one of the cult lieutenants you'd be very good at leading the Leading the the meek and I'm gonna tell people watch for this hand sign. It's kind of like the

49:13 Uh, you know, like when you, uh, uh, camera director is, yeah. You mean the aluminum, the Illuminati triangle? Yeah, but no, but it's, it's different because it's the, it's the thumb to the pointer and thumb to the pointer. Oh, is that new? Oh, that's new. If you look at the, uh, look at the, um, advertisements, it has the home inside of that hand signal. It's going to be the new heart. You know, the heart symbol they did with the hand? Yes. Watch it. I'm calling it now. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me, Mo? Hold on a second. God despise you. What have you done to me? Hold on.

49:49 You're right with it with a little with a little red dot the little red dot in between That's the house. That's your home. That's gonna be you know the heart symbol cropped up with the thumb and yeah You know the heart yeah, that's gonna be the new watch. Oh my god. Oh I'm calling it. And I hadn't even seen it. I hadn't even seen it. Yes, so that'll be the new Illuminati hand sign will be basically making a rectangular box with your thumb and forefinger of each hand. Yes. All hail. Come on in. All hail. Come on in, baby. Come on in. We broke you down. We got you right where we want you, alone. It's okay. You're safe here. You're safe here. And I'll say this. I'm immune to this because I actually have a family.

50:37 So I can't empathize with a person that's isolated alone. I can imagine this is hell. Yes. If you don't have a significant other or family, which a lot and if you think about it in the grand scheme of things, The way this thing has been set up, they've isolated people away from their families into these boxes and now you bring in isolation. And then you bring in, oh well, we're all together in this, you know? Just stay in your house and look at the portal. It'll be interesting to see how many people, I mean it's going to be blanketed, right? They're doing it live on CBS, NBC, ABC. I think it's like 17 channels I think. Everything all at the same time.

CHAPTER 22 / 41 Discussion

Hand Dryers, Bacteria and Paper Towel Propaganda

A discussion on mind control uses the example of public restroom hand dryers. A viral story claimed these devices blow bacteria and "poop particles" onto hands, leading many businesses to switch back to paper towels. The hosts suggest this was a successful propaganda campaign likely influenced by the paper industry to change consumer behavior through fear.

hand dryers· dyson· bacteria· paper towels· hygiene

51:22 Globally coordinated. Oh, yeah. I know this this is obviously the next step in the plan. Mm-hmm And there is a plan I think I mean that this is my hypothesis. Let's get my control three As a cult leader, you'll probably have some sort of mission for your followers, whether it be political, religious, or something else. The second stage is where you fix it in your followers' minds. And people won't necessarily accept what you say immediately because, if you're a cult leader, you're probably saying something controversial, something novel, something anti-conformist along the lines of Doomsday is coming, or let's kidnap people,

51:58 Or hand dryers are the work of the devil, they're loud, they're slow, and you know what? You probably think that they're better for the environment, but the optimistic studies say that they're only 20% better, while some others say that they're not even greener at all. Did you know that hand dryers actually increase the bacteria on your hands by 117%? You're better off not washing your hands at all. Hand dryers kill. That was just an example. And I believe you remember that one don't you oh yeah hand dryers kill Especially the two questions one why are we not taking all the hand dryers out of bathrooms? Because this was this was a meme. Yeah, like two or three years ago. Yeah that the the Dyson Jet dryer that it would blow basically blow poop particles throughout the the whole bathroom. I

52:49 And I saw this actually, well, let's listen to the example of the mind control, and then I'll give you my story afterwards. How germy are public restroom hand dryers? We want you to check out this photo. A nursing student in California says this, get ready, is bacteria that came from a hand dryer in a public restroom. Can we cue up the vomiting sound effects, please? Well, in today's Good to Know segment, we're going to verify if this claim is actually true. I mean, was that bacteria from a hand dryer? One doctor says he's not at all surprised about what came out of that hand dryer. His name is Dr. Arash Khorsina. He's an infectious disease specialist. He says hand dryers suck in bacteria that's floating around in the bathroom's air. That's why air filters in those hand dryers should be changed on a regular basis.

53:46 They literally are just sucking in that air from the bathroom with all of this stuff aerosolized in it and they are blowing it directly on your just washed hands. The good doctor recommends paper towels over hand dryers. I've been saying that for years by the way. He also points out though that not all bacteria is bad for you. That is microscopic when you blow it up a million zillion times. Good Lord. Well now I'm confused. Now I'm confused. Do I use these things or not? Well the funny thing was, like I always say, my wife she loves the morning news, right? Yeah. On when I'm getting dressed. Yeah. And I heard this story, less than a month later paper towels go up in our bathrooms at work. Yeah, it looks like the paper industry was hard at work. So it just goes to show you how it bleeds in

CHAPTER 23 / 41 Discussion

Environmental Control, Creating a New Normal

The final stage of mind control involves reinforcement and the creation of a "new normal." By controlling the social environment and information flow, leaders can make abnormal behaviors seem standard. The hosts argue that the media is currently performing a "real number" on the public by constantly repeating pandemic narratives to achieve this reinforcement.

peer pressure· social isolation· information control· new normal· reinforcement

54:40 Culture well that's our culture. That's all that's pure. Yeah, that's how I mean that that's advertising is propaganda someone You know, that's why eggs are good one week and then they're not and blue jeans are gonna kill you and we've been around that circle and coffee kills you but it's good for you and we go down but I'm just going to show you how You bring in the guy with the coat, the white coat, and it's hard science. It's official. It's official. Yes. So let's go ahead and wrap up with the fourth and final real mind control. The reason brainwashing works within a cult is because there is that peer pressure. Things that seem normal in the real world seem that way because everyone accepts them, while abnormal things seem normal in a cult environment because everyone within the group accepts them. And a lot of it's accomplished by environmental control.

55:34 social isolation, information control. Cult leaders create a new normal by manufacturing people's worlds. And then once the person has accepted that program, then you move to the third stage, which is reinforcement. Yes, yes. The most important phase. Reinforcement is like, you know, wash, rinse, repeat. So that's how mind control works. And if you listen to the media and look at it that is that perspective you'd think that they're doing a real number on us They're doing a real number on this, but we got to go back and figure out this hysteria thing Because we just can't leave it there. I am a man of faith and in my faith and Also, it just in before I get to my faith. I

CHAPTER 24 / 41 Discussion

Power of the Word, Trump and Positive Thinking

The hosts explore the concept that words can manifest reality, citing Joel Osteen's teachings on "prophesying your future." They apply this to Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan, suggesting his constant repetition of positive superlatives is a deliberate attempt to speak a better reality into existence for the country.

joel osteen· donald trump· positive thinking· manifestation· maga

56:30 On the Noah gender show you all have this thing called karma, right? Mm-hmm and People say it works. Yes. Oh Totally. Yep. So it works because people think it thinks it works, you know if you have a collective group of people thinking Something has power then I think there's a real science behind it that it can gain power We've never investigated never looked into it deeply we didn't come up with it we didn't initiate it but After 12 years people seem to still want it. So it's working. Yeah, right. So

57:14 So in my faith, we have this thing of the power of the word. So I have Joel Osteen here and he talks about your words becoming your reality. I want to talk to you today about how your words become your reality. You are where you are today in part because of what you've been saying about yourself. No Yes, words are like seeds when you speak something out you give life to what you're saying if you continue to say it Eventually that can become a reality whether you realize it or not. You are prophesying your future and

57:54 And this is great when we're saying things like I'm blessed. I'm strong. I will accomplish my dreams I'm coming out of debt. That's not just being positive you are prophesying victory prophesying success prophesying new levels Your life will move in the direction of your words Oh, I'm a big believer in this big believer and we are living right now in the middle of one of the largest manifestations of its kind in this regard Which is... And we're gonna get to the science behind it in a minute. Well before we get to that one I just want to say the MAGA, Make America Great Again, is literally this. That is what people don't understand about Trump. He knows, he knows

58:45 That by saying things over and over and truly believing that we're the best, no one's bigger, no one's better, it's gonna be great, it's gonna be fantastic, that there's a good chance it actually works out that way because you use that megaphone across enough people continuously. It actually works! And I felt it. The reason why I say that after the election in 2016, the previous eight years was all doom and gloom. It was just like everything is the worst, the worst, the worst. And after Trump was elected, and I don't think it has anything to do with him as a person, but like you said, it's the message and the mentality of people. When you tell people, like you said, make something great again,

59:29 People start to believe it and it starts being manifested and we've seen this with this book called the secret. Yes, that was a lot of it And even Trump's you know, and I know if you knew this or not, I think his name is peel last name peel Wrote the power of positive thinking. Yeah, that was a Trump's pastor. Yeah, so now we start to see the connections of You start to speak things and they start to manifest themselves into reality. I love this angle mode. I don't think anyone has looked at coronavirus from this angle yet. I love you for it my brother, that's fantastic. Now you gotta ask yourself if you have 24 by 7 news coverage of nothing but negativity coming out of the speakers. Yeah, I wonder if it's gonna make some people sick.

CHAPTER 25 / 41 Discussion

Placebo Effect, Medical Anticipation Science

The science behind the placebo effect is examined, noting that the name is Latin for "I shall please." Federal law requires new drugs to outperform placebos in clinical trials, which is often difficult because the mere anticipation of healing can trigger actual physiological immune responses and lower stress hormones in the body.

placebo effect· fda· clinical trials· immune response· latin

1:00:20 Well, we're going to find out but let's finish up with Mr. Joe Osteen, part two. Too many people go around prophesying just the opposite. I never get any good breaks. I'll never get back in shape. Business is slow. I'll probably get laid off. Flu season is here. I always get it. They don't realize they are prophesying defeat. It's just like they're calling in bad breaks, mediocrity, lack. The scripture says we will eat the fruit of our words You are planting seeds when you talk at some point you're going to eat that fruit there's a there's a book by I think it's Andrea Gardner. Mm-hmm change your words Change your world. I highly recommend it and I you know what that mentality is how

1:01:20 Was raised. No, you can't say you can't you can't you know, no, you can't all my mother. Oh, you do not speak negative No, I like that was you know, don't speak that it's existed. That's that's what we say don't speak it into existence and right don't Start to read more and become familiar with other people's cultures other people's way of ways of life This is a very common thing And it's so much part of reality, we don't even realize it because the medical industry is based off of this. It's called the placebo effect. Which no medical professional to date can explain. Not at all, but they have to respect it because they, well you know what, let's let the SciShow explain the placebo effect.

1:02:14 Scientists have known since the 1700s that placebos can sometimes provide real, effective treatment. But exactly how it works is not well understood. What we do know is that placebo can be such an effective medical head fake that in the US, federal law requires that double-blind placebo tests be used in the trials of any new drugs. This means a new drug must beat its corresponding placebo in at least two clinical trials to become FDA approved. Which, as it turns out, is harder than it sounds. We expect to feel better after being treated, and that's actually where the name comes from. Placebo is Latin for, I shall please. Basically, it enshrines the power of everything's going to be alright. It's not just your mental perception, but also your body's physiological reaction to that anticipation, which actually activates immune responses and limits the secretion of damaging stress hormones.

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Nocebo Effect, Negative Anticipation Side Effects

The "Nocebo Effect" is the dark counterpart to the placebo, where negative expectations cause real physical harm. Studies show that patients warned of side effects, such as nausea or erectile dysfunction, are significantly more likely to experience them even when taking inert substances. The hosts argue that constant negative news acts as a massive "nocebo" for the general population.

nocebo effect· fibromyalgia· side effects· erectile dysfunction· ted kapchuck

1:02:57 Interestingly, another study found that advanced Alzheimer patients experienced less pain relief from both analgesics and placebos. The disease had damaged their opioid receptors. They couldn't benefit from the anticipation of treatment, real or fake. But the power of thought can work against you too. The placebo effect has an equally powerful dark side, the nocebo effect. Ooh, never heard of the nocebo. Makes sense, of course. Yeah, for every positive there's a negative. That's the universe. I mean, that's just how things work. The no SIBO effect. This is a very interesting phenomenon. Because I started thinking I was like, I was having a chat with my good friend. And then I was like, you know,

1:03:42 What's the opposite of the placebo effect? And I didn't even know what the name of it was, but I stated it that way. And I was like, well, let me search opposite of placebo effect. Bam. Nocebo effect. I didn't know that there was a counter to it. That's cool. And let's let the science show explain it to us. No SIBOs showcase the negative effects of thinking or anticipation. It's what's at work when, say, sugar pills cause real negative side effects. For example, in one medical trial of a drug for fibromyalgia, a syndrome marked by chronic widespread pain, over 10% of volunteers given a placebo dropped out of the study because of the side effects like nausea and dizziness that they'd been warned about. Even though the drug was inert, the mere suggestion that they might feel side effects

1:04:25 actually caused the side effects. The nocebo effect can also occur in patients taking real drugs. This means if a doctor lists possible side effects, a patient is more likely to experience them. During trials for a drug designed to reduce enlarged prostates, half of patients were told the drug may cause erectile dysfunction, while the other half were not informed. Only 15% of the uninformed men reported the side effect, while a whopping 44% of the men who were told had Trouble in the bedroom. In the end, we're still not sure how placebo and nocebo responses work. It's likely the mechanisms vary depending on the circumstances. But Ted Kapchuck, director of Harvard University's program in placebo studies and the therapeutic encounter, suspects the bottom line might be pretty simple. Real drugs are important, but compassionate care and the act of trusting your caregiver are really critical. Kapchuck believes that the placebo effect has more to do with the attention, warmth, eye contact, and empathy given by a physician rather than the belief that a pill is real.

CHAPTER 27 / 41 Discussion

Pharmaceutical Commercials, Subconscious Symptom Development

The hosts discuss their habit of muting or avoiding pharmaceutical commercials due to the long lists of gruesome side effects mentioned. They argue that hearing these side effects repeatedly can subconsciously cause people to develop those very symptoms through the nocebo effect. They criticize health officials for not warning the public about the health risks of negative media consumption.

pharmaceutical ads· side effects· subconscious· medical commercials· anxiety

1:05:16 In that case, placebos are all about the ritual of medical care and the trust we put into it. If he steps on the cracks in the sidewalk that he'd have erectile dysfunction, believe me, we have these issues. So don't mess around with that people. Don't be no-see-boeing any guys about that kind of thing. It's a real mental game. And this last clip... Only proves more that you mr. Curry are from the future. Ah, my goodness reason why I say that is I've heard you say on several occasions I don't even listen to medic Prescription drug Commercial oh because I think I'll finish yeah I mean when when we watch TV land a lot at night before you know, like last show or something it's either a

1:06:12 King of Queens or Two and a Half Men. And it's stacked with ads and it's all pharmaceutical. And the side effects are, you know, the anal leakage, you know, one foot might start twitching, you know, involuntary movements, nausea, want to kill yourself, want to kill other people. And I've turned it down because I, and you're right, I've said many times, I'm a firm believer if you just let that play and it's yapping in your face subconsciously, you might actually develop some of these symptoms. Science is on your side, sir. And if they know about the placebo effect, they have to know about the nocebo effect. Yeah, about the nocebo effect, of course. Yeah, so why are you pumping this negative side effects out in that manner? Or why is not at least one

1:07:08 professional, for instance, Dr. Fauci or maybe it would be Dr. Birx who would be better suited for her to say, hey, you know, the media, what you're doing here is not helpful. That actually can hurt people that you're doing this, that you're being so negative, that you're going to such depths of depravity. Someone should do that because it's bad. Well, this is where we get into the Weird portion of the show. Okay, theremin. Oh just a touch All right, just a little touch of theremin there. Okay Yes. Thank you

CHAPTER 28 / 41 Discussion

Witchcraft, Modern Rituals of Medicine

The segment explores the idea that modern medicine utilizes rituals similar to historical witchcraft to trigger the placebo or nocebo effects. The "white coat" and stethoscope are described as modern totems that prepare a patient's mind for healing. The hosts suggest that media figures are essentially "casting spells" by using fear to manifest negative health outcomes in the public.

witchcraft· spells· ritual· white coats· ghana

1:07:49 Witchcraft and the Nocebo Effect. In pop culture, witches are shown with cauldrons, cats, and broomsticks. However, now witchcraft is largely associated with the general use of magic and sorcery. In a religious context, witchcraft is seen as neo-paganism and remains essentially harmless in North America. Despite pop culture pushing forward ideas of witches being associated with Satan and harm, if a witch can use the Nocebo effect to manifest harm, then surely it can be used positively as well. So you have cast spells though where they've been so powerful that the result has been brilliant. Yeah, amazing. The Nocebo Effect is a negative effect produced by the belief that something bad is coming. If you believe you will be harmed, you will be. In Western cultures, generally witches are not perceived to be real, let alone harmful. But in other societies, such as Ghana, Africa, witchcraft is feared as the Nocebo Effect harbors a real threat in their society.

1:08:49 Depending on your frames of reference and where you live in the world, witchcraft can be used to heal or, in conjunction with the nocebo effect, used to harm. While cauldrons, cats, and broomsticks make for an interesting story, witches in real life in today's modern age are simply spiritual individuals. So this is how spells work. Yeah. Yes in their previous clip the man wrapped up his his spiel on saying that it's the ritual of Medicine so when you go in you see the stethoscope you see the white coat all of that by itself Yeah, all those people that gets you prepared to be healed. Mm-hmm. So when you walk into a witch doctors, uh,

1:09:35 He had the candle and the skulls and yeah, you're all set up. Yeah, you're all you're ready you mean because you're mentally Conditioned to think okay. This guy's for real and that's why in more traditional Nations, maybe say like Africa South America even Central America all over Witchcraft is more successful because the people actually believe and respect it. Far more than North America. So this just furthers the fact of the nocebo effect and its use in supernatural events.

CHAPTER 29 / 41 Discussion

Sam Schuman Case, Dying from Belief

Scientific writer Helen Pilcher recounts the 1970s case of Sam Schuman, who was told he had three months to live due to terminal cancer. Schuman died exactly on schedule, but an autopsy revealed only a tiny, non-lethal tumor. His doctor concluded he died not from cancer, but from the belief that he was dying. The hosts link this to the current 24/7 news cycle's impact on mortality.

sam schuman· terminal cancer· autopsy· helen pilcher· 1970s

1:10:27 Well, I have Miss Helen Pilcher here. And Miss Helen Pilcher, she's a scientific writer. She has an extensive resume. She gives her point of view on the Nocebo Effect. This time, it's the sad story of a guy called Sam Schuman. And this story is set in the 1970s. It's a true story. Now, Sam Schuman lived in America. And one day, he was told by a doctor that he had three months to live, that he was dying from terminal cancer. This is not a horse chestnut. I have been reliably informed. This is actually a cultured cancer cell, just so that you know. So he was told he had three months to live, and three months later, he died, almost to the day. But when they cut him open and did an autopsy, they couldn't find any cancer.

1:11:24 So they expected his body to be riddled, but all they could find was a one centimeter tumor that was barely enough to cause symptoms, let alone to have killed him. And I interviewed the guy who treated Sam Schuman and he told me he didn't die of cancer, but from believing he had cancer. Wow. Yeah, that's powerful stuff. So now apply this to 24 by seven new cycle pumping out. The daily effects of the coronavirus, COVID-19, or whatever you want to call it. Now I'm not saying, let me be clear. I am not saying that this thing is not real. What I'm saying is, in a weird type way, we're giving it supernatural powers and making it more powerful than it actually should be.

1:12:22 I'm on board with this. I really am. I really am. And I'll take it a step further. I think if you're really deathly afraid you're gonna get it, you're gonna get it! Whether it's real, manifested, or whatever it is. You know, if you truly, truly believe that, these things can happen. I've witnessed this myself. Not this and the more you watch the news the more your condition condition to believe Yeah, very very very unhealthy and that contributes to the death toll which makes more people believe Which makes more people get it and it just snowballs self-fulfilling prophecy out of control and The reason why I want to do this show is I want us to be the mental vaccine for this thing

CHAPTER 30 / 41 Discussion

Mental Vaccine, Countering Media Spells

The hosts propose that their show serves as a "mental vaccine" by providing humor and awareness to counter the media's negative influence. They encourage listeners to actively work against negative thoughts and protect their consciousness. They reiterate that high-level officials like Dr. Fauci may have agendas that conflict with the public's psychological well-being.

mental vaccine· consciousness· humor· dr. fauci· medical symbols

1:13:17 Seriously, I'm being serious. I mean we have fun here and I love to have fun because hopefully this is people's Around about two hours a week that they can kind of you know Not think about things or laugh at things there are really are serious or well That's always been my tool is humor and laughter and if you can make someone laugh that that solves a whole lot of problems are having at that very moment and And you can set a whole new course. So yeah, absolutely. I guess how we fix it is just how we think about it. But if we let people know about the Nocebo effect, about the power of the mind, how mind control works, they could put the pieces together and then control, you know, have a way of controlling their thoughts. Protect yourself initially, and that's very easy. And then it's consciousness. It really is consciousness.

1:14:14 and and actively actively working against the negative thoughts it's it's what you have to do it's I've kind of trained myself to do that over time I have I have to and like I say I grew up in a house where negativity I was just not tolerated exactly tolerate I mean I mean almost to you know I don't want to say a fault, but it was like, no, you cannot, you know, maybe that's part of who I am culturally. Could be. Because we're going to get there too. In other words, what are you complaining about? Have you looked at your great granddaddy? Exactly. Yeah. Oh, that must be that must be like the worst. It's like for any black kid in America. It's like, yeah, but it's not fair. You want to hear what's not fair? Look at this picture.

1:15:07 Exactly. Does that get pulled out a lot? No, but it's kind of like a understood thing. Right. Okay. Like you kids got it way better than we had it. And then you fill in the blank. Done. Done. Done. You got to pack it up. You're done. Nothing you can say. Exactly. So Miss Helen Pilcher, she points her finger at an interesting group in this next clip. In the southern states of America 80 years ago, they may have wafted strange bottles of liquid around and hung around in graveyards. But I would argue that today's witch doctor wears a white coat and carries a stethoscope. What your doctor tells you can influence your health for the better or for the worse. A nocebo is when it happens for the worse.

1:16:21 Here's another one. 60% of people taking chemotherapy experience nausea before their treatment. Now this is where it starts to get very serious. There is no medical reason for them to feel sick before their chemotherapy, but most people do. Days before or even hours before. Like I said, we don't paint things with raw brushstrokes here? No, no, but you know what hit me is I've always scoffed at telemedicine. Like what the hell good is it gonna do for a guy in a white, literally, for a guy in a white coat to sit on camera and ask me how I'm feeling and

1:17:09 And there's my answer. This is why it works. Just seeing the doctor with the lab coat, with the stethoscope, with his or her authoritarian kind of, you know, hey, end knowledge. I'm the doctor. Don't worry. That can already heal people. I hadn't considered that. And it also can hurt people. And this is where I make my bold statement of the show. These people in the media are casting spells on people. That's what they're doing. A bold statement, but I cannot disagree. I cannot disagree. They are casting spells on people by the technical definition. Yeah.

1:17:57 And they bring their witch doctors on there in their white coats. And not talking about your doctor, your pediatrician or the one in your neighborhood doctor, because I think those people operate out of good faith. We're talking about the people at the highest levels, your Fauci's, you know what I'm saying, those guys. Yeah, and they have agendas. They've got all kinds of agendas. They've got patents. They've got deals. They're working on other things. Mm-hmm. And when you start breaking down the medical symbols and uh, no, no, there's a lot when it comes to the twisted snake and all that Yeah, and I it makes you a little crazy. I love that moe I Really? I really like this. I wasn't quite sure where you were going But now I'm deep and I can't wait for the for the crescendo But before we get there We have to do what we have to do

CHAPTER 31 / 41 Discussion

Rodney Howard-Browne, Florida Church Controversy

The hosts discuss the arrest of Florida pastor Rodney Howard-Browne for keeping his church open during the lockdown. They play a clip of Charlamagne Tha God criticizing the pastor for ignoring social distancing. The hosts debate the hypocrisy of keeping liquor stores open while closing churches and examine Howard-Browne's background as a "witch doctor" figure.

rodney howard-browne· charlamagne tha god· florida· social distancing· river church

1:26:46 donation page it is mofundme.com and thank you again for supporting MoFacts with Adam Curry. And we're back. So in this time there's a lot of churches being closed Yes, not not voluntarily closing. No, not a lot. So not allowed to not allowed to congregate right so we talked about the nocebo effect and the negative side that and but then you You couple that with the fact that you take the positivity out of some people's lives. I think this is gonna really accelerate this. One of our favorite people to keep an eye on, he's not one of our favorite people, Charlemagne the Guard, he talks about the Florida pastor who says he'll keep the church open. Drop one of Kool's bombs for God.

1:27:49 He ain't out here playing no games. Hoshin. Okay, I'm saying all that to say I totally understand why people's faith is strong and why you would lean into God at a time like this. Okay, it makes perfect sense. But what I don't like is pastors like Rodney Howard Brown taking advantage of his flock's faith. See, when you're a pastor ordained by God, you are a leader. Okay, you are a lot of folks spiritually there and they will follow you to the ends of the earth. And you shouldn't take advantage of that. But sadly, that's what Rodney Howard Brown did. And oh, just a reminder, what does your Uncle Charla always tell you? The craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of Florida, and River Church is indeed in Florida. Well, this past weekend, Rodney Howard Brown's church was packed to hell with social distancing. Give me six feet in my ass. If you go look at the video online, they have a full house, and Pastor Rodney Brown, who claims he will cure coronavirus,

1:28:45 The same way he cured Zika. According to TMZ, Rodney has vowed he will never close his church despite every doctor, health expert, scientist all saying social distancing is the way. Social distancing is the only thing that will prevent disease from spreading even more. I can't make any of this up. So he's obviously pushing an agenda. Yes, and this is this is one of these witch doctors aka boulay members and we spoke about what they believe in in a previous show and their connection to Egypt and the cult So it's not a far stretch, but then they masked themselves as some type of

1:29:33 a believer but what upsets me is this guy wrote a book on anxiety it was called shook ones but then he gets on his microphone and basically pushes the anxiety agenda. Now, if people find comfort in their faith, I'm sure certain churches, I mean, if people want to go to church, who would say they can't go to church? I mean, the liquor store is open. I mean, it's like, we ain't close that down or other things. But now all of a sudden it's this, and I'm not getting on the soapbox here, but it's just, this is where the media becomes personal with me.

CHAPTER 32 / 41 Discussion

T.D. Jakes, Faith vs. Politics

The discussion focuses on Bishop T.D. Jakes and the pressure on the Black community to choose between faith and political agendas. A parallel is drawn to the 2012 election cycle. Jakes is introduced as a powerful orator in Houston who emphasizes the power of a "changed mind" to alter one's outward reality.

t.d. jakes· obama· black community· potter's house· houston

1:30:15 Because in my community, there's this concerted effort to push people against their faith. And I've seen this before. I saw this before in 2012. I saw this play. Okay, Obama was elected in 2008 and he was a marriage is between a man and a woman right until Joe Biden pulled him out the closet Yeah, and really showed what he really believed all the time. Yes, and and it forced people So-called quote-unquote black people to choose between their faith and Politics I'm seeing this play made again interesting

1:31:03 From Mr. Charlemagne. Now I have a set of clips with him and Mr. T.D. Jakes and that's the gentleman to open our show up. But just for a little background on Mr. T.D. Jakes, let's listen to him, Nothing is as Powerful as a Changed Mind. This morning I want to talk to you from the subject, there's nothing as powerful as a changed mind. There is nothing as powerful as a changed mind. You can change your hair, your clothing, your address, your spouse, your church, your residence.

1:31:55 But if you don't change your mind, the same experience will perpetuate itself over and over again because everything outwardly changed but nothing inwardly changed. Where's his this is a minister right TJ Jake Houston Houston. Oh, he's in Houston. Okay, Matt He's the biggest black queer preacher in America. He's got the mega church in Houston Maggage the Potter Potter's house. No, okay. Okay. Okay huge church and he's the guy I mean like yeah, oh you're Tyler Perry Yeah, I mean yeah comes it yeah major

CHAPTER 33 / 41 Discussion

Dr. Ish Major, Inherited Trauma Theory

In a conversation with Charlamagne Tha God, Dr. Ish Major discusses the theory that trauma can be passed down genetically. He cites studies on the children of Holocaust survivors who show stress markers in their DNA despite living untroubled lives. This hypothesis is applied to the African American experience as a form of inherited PTSD from slavery.

ish major· holocaust survivors· dna· ptsd· epigenetic inheritance

1:32:41 Now he has a similar message that we heard from Joel Osteen. He's got a lot of merch on his website. Yes. He's got a lot of merch. Movies, books. But he has a similar message to what we heard from Joel Osteen. What you speak into existence, you know, that kind of thing. Which, I'm not even going to go there. But it's just interesting that he said, until you change your mind, nothing changes. Now let's listen to him when he has a conversation with Charlemagne Tha God. You bring a doctor into the book that I want to talk about. Dr. Ish Major. Dr. Ish Major. When the doctor came on the scene and he begins to talk in the book,

1:33:27 He begins to validate some of the feelings that you are expressing, though he, let's be careful to denote the fact that he is not your therapist. No, no, he's not. I wanted, I thought about using my therapist, but I didn't think that she would waive her right to privacy to do it, but I also thought it would be more powerful coming from a black male therapist, especially when you have a black man describing a lot of these experiences that are unique in a lot of ways to the African American community. So I thought that Dr. Ish would be the perfect person to talk about it. He says a lot of things, Dr. Ish says a lot of things that validate the whole traumatic experience that you share. One of the things that really, really leaped out to me and really spoke to me in a major way is when he begins to talk about them

1:34:16 examining the children of the Holocaust survivors and finding their trauma had been passed on genetically because their parents were so traumatized. They passed through their DNA certain amounts of stress factors and stress stimulators that cause their children to be nervous and on edge. And his hypothesis or his conclusion is that African-Americans being traumatized through slavery have passed on to their descendants a certain amount of PTSD and trauma and stress. Oh, man, I never heard of Dr. Ish major. That's interesting. We're talking about seeing talk about the placebo effect, the placebo effect.

CHAPTER 34 / 41 Discussion

Victimization Mentality, Slavery Narrative Impact

The hosts critique the "victimization mentality" and the "Blackanoid" concept. One host argues that the perpetual media narrative and trauma-based entertainment surrounding slavery (such as the movie "12 Years a Slave") are more destructive than the historical event itself because they program people to see themselves as permanent victims at a molecular level.

victimization· slavery· roots· trauma-based entertainment· propaganda

1:35:01 It's basically the same thing as the victimization mentality. Yes. See, I told you we get it first. We get it. The world is just experiencing the level of propaganda that we've been getting for at least The last 100 years, I want to say that with mass media. So let me just stop there for a second. Okay. On a previous, I know it was the show, last show of the show before, you also said, hey, you know how people are giving you stink eye because you don't have the right mask or you coughed or something? And you said that's pretty much what it feels like to be black.

1:35:48 Yes, is that there's a continuous awareness of people could be scoping you out checking it which by the way is also what it's like to be a celebrity in an odd way, but It's it's not the same thing, but there's some similarities This so so how So knowing this is happening and you're and you're identifying it correctly And I and I know that other people have spoken to me about after listening to the show to shit Yeah, I think I understand a bit of what most talking about there in that regard So how does that make you feel? Do you think ha now, you know what it feels like or you you happy people can? Sympathize and understand is there or do you not are you maybe you don't feel anything at all. I

1:36:33 I want to share with people how I deal with it. I don't give you the power to affect me. I don't buy into the victimization mentality. Now, I've never, we've talked on the show many a times, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist, especially on a systemic level. I'm not saying that, you know, it's people set out to hold other groups down. What I'm saying is, what I've said about this whole show, you can't give it power. Right.

1:37:09 You can't, you know, it can exist but you can't give it power. And for them to come up with this BS of it's passed along in the genes, how can you prove that? How can you prove, I know I'm gonna get killed for this next statement. I think the narrative of slavery has been more destructive than the actual slavery. Now let me qualify my statement. Let me qualify my statement. What I'm saying is the perpetual movies, the perpetual victimization mentality roots, 12 years, what, 14 years of slavery, whatever it is, the trauma-based entertainment, that

1:37:56 If you didn't have that, then people could get past the stumbling blocks and actually progress. But they use the same way they're scaring the crap out of people with this coronavirus, they scared my people for a hundred years now. And that's what builds the victimization mentality and now they're going to the molecular level. Yes, literally. If I have a child it's gonna be passed up. They have no choice. It's got you know, you're gonna be born a victim. I appreciate you saying this because you do and you have developed a set of tools that allow you to not have certain media elements in particular hold any power over you for who you are and where you come from.

CHAPTER 35 / 41 Discussion

Fog of War, Escaping the Media Pool

The hosts discuss the "fog of war" created by the pandemic and the difficulty of maintaining a clear perspective. They use the analogy of standing at the edge of a pool, watching others struggle, and realizing one can simply choose to get out. They criticize T.D. Jakes for not pushing back against the genetic trauma narrative during his interview with Charlamagne.

fog of war· consciousness· hbo· entertainment· nature vs nurture

1:38:49 We all can learn a lot from that. And I'm... Go ahead. No, go ahead, go ahead. Go finish it off. I'm kind of... I'm surprised at myself because amidst all of the work I've been doing in the past, you know, six to eight weeks on our current situation with coronavirus. I kind of forgot all these parts about the mind control part, about the, even though I couldn't have named it for you, the nocebo effect, all of that. It's like, you know, I've Studied it. I have I've been therapy part of therapy is a has to do with this. I'm kind of kicking myself I didn't realize that this is what's going on. So I really appreciate you Packaging it up this way and connecting it to something Real world for you and I I love it. It's really good. I think I called the fog of war Yes, I think that's the term. Yes. I mean cuz we're in it, right? Yeah, we are but I

1:39:52 Have strived not to participate in it. So I'm like at the edge of the pool, right? And I'm watching everybody, you know, struggle to stay, you know, stay afloat. Right. And I'm like, you know, you can get out the pool, right? You know that, right? Yeah, exactly. You don't have to be in it. But it's so much part of our culture. The entertainment and the news is so built in and that's why they're using entertainers to push this agenda. Yeah, because it's like When you try to escape and that's why I said the only way you can escape is watch premium channels like HBO where I'm sure they're gonna find some kind of content to invade there as well. Yeah, but you can escape it but what I find so disgusting is this

1:40:41 Now we have Mr. TD Jake say, and my mom's gonna kill me for this if she ever hears this, because she loves him. You have him say there's nothing as powerful as a changed mind. And he has Charlamagne N'Gaad sit across from him and tell him about It's on a molecular genetic level this past and how can you even do that study because those same children grew up in the house? with somebody that probably Loaded them up with the victimization. Yes, how exactly can't do a you can't you can't do a double blind? You can't separate that. No, you can't separate the cultural from the medical. Of course not right. It's nature versus nurture, you know, so How can you say that and then why he pushed back and say well, you know Charlemagne? Um, I

CHAPTER 36 / 41 Discussion

Charlamagne Tha God, Epigenetic Inheritance Claims

Charlamagne Tha God discusses "Post-Traumatic Slave Disorder," a term coined by Angela Rye. He reads from his book "Shook Ones," citing Rachel Yehuda's research at Mount Sinai Hospital on epigenetic inheritance. He claims that the trauma of slavery is physically present in his family's genetics, a claim the hosts view as a form of psychological entrapment.

charlamagne tha god· angela rye· epigenetic inheritance· mount sinai· slavery

1:41:27 You know, once you change your mind and you change your reality, but he didn't give it. He just buys into it. But I mean, I digress a little bit because I want to get into the second clip with T.D. Jackson and Charlemagne. So you can cue it up. Talk to me about the black experience from a street perspective. Well, I got a chapter in it called Blackanoid. And, you know, it's about being black and paranoid in America. And it's exactly what you just repeated that Dr. Ish said. It's like the PTSD. I look at PTSD as post-traumatic Slave disorder as well, you know my sister Angela Rai she coined that term and that's the truth because this is all this trauma has been passed on from generation to generation and you have slavery you have Jim Crow segregation like a lot of those things are the reason that we're in the conditions that we're in now like Well after after he mentioned Angela Rai I couldn't even hear the rest of what he was talking about. It's not one of my favorite people

1:42:20 Another wish doctor. Yeah. Yeah, that's what the bullet are. They I mean literally That's what now we're starting to get into the role of what the bullet is. They whip up What okay, let's just back up a little bit about the bullet I know we're gonna go long, but I just want to I really want to dive into this who do they say who did? Margaret Sanger stayed to get the reverence and Who else doctors doctors? Yes, and if you have the doctor Reverend that's even better Yeah, so if you got the white coat or the you know the collar That prepares people to believe what you're gonna say Yes, and whatever you push to them They're gonna accept as truth by the way when when you tell kids that a blue uniform with the badge is gonna try and kill you You know

1:43:16 Just came to mind. It wasn't anything I've been studying on or anything, but right Yeah, but if you if you keep telling kids, hey, the the cop is gonna kill you the cop hates you The cop is gonna kill you. Yeah, you're gonna get some weird situations Yeah, and this guy once again, I'm gonna say he wrote a book on anxiety called shit ones and Me being who I am. I went and looked the audio book up Very nice Shoot one's one. There's plenty of traumatic stress experienced by people during their day-to-day lives here in America, especially black people. The damage isn't just limited to contemporary events either. The traumatic legacy of slavery is still felt by African Americans hundreds of years later. I know there are going to be people on the right who hear that and will claim I'm practicing victimology or simply tell me and other black folks to get over it already.

1:44:14 To them, I would like to say, suck my 7 ½ inch d*** 8 inches in the summer. Because inherited trauma is real. Consider this. A few years ago, researchers at New York's Mount Sinai Hospital did a study on a group of Holocaust survivors and their children. The study found that the children of the survivors had stress levels in their genes that couldn't be attributed to the relatively healthy and untroubled lives they were living in America. The gene changes in the children could only be attributed to Holocaust exposure in the parents, said lead researcher Rachel Yehuda. This idea that a parent can pass trauma to a child in subsequent generations is called epigenetic inheritance. The researchers studied other groups that weren't exposed to extreme stress but didn't find any other examples of trauma being passed down through genetics.

1:45:04 They must not have studied any black folks then, because there is no question in my mind that just as with those Holocaust survivors, the trauma of slavery has been passed down generation to generation in my family. I've heard of this epigenetic. But I also grew up with kids in Amsterdam whose grandmothers had numbers tattooed on their arms from the concentration camp. Believe me, the trauma came from the family, not just from the genes. Every single day these kids were reminded of the hunger winter.

CHAPTER 37 / 41 Discussion

Dianetics, Nation of Islam and L. Ron Hubbard

The conversation briefly touches on L. Ron Hubbard's "Dianetics" and its focus on trauma experienced in the womb. The hosts mention a connection between the Nation of Islam (NOI) and Scientology's practices. They conclude that accepting the idea of being born with unchangeable trauma is a dangerous and unhealthy mindset promoted by mass media.

dianetics· scientology· l. ron hubbard· nation of islam· womb trauma

1:45:41 Yeah, right. Yeah, we had you can't when you do that study. You can't you can't say oh, yeah It was due to that. No, I was doing nature not nurture. No that yes, I'd like that I like the comparison of those two nature and nurture. Absolutely. That's my experience I'm no scientist obviously, but let me also clarify now I'm not saying if the woman is carrying the child and experiencing stress and That the child won't be affected by the stress. I'm not saying that you know, you know what? You know what? What book is written specifically about trauma in the womb just since we're talking about cults What's that that is Dianetics? That is the the the building blocks of Scientology is around the book that talks about the trauma that has done to the child in the womb and

1:46:29 The original, the original Dianetics before we got into the, you know, a lot of the wacky stuff, I guess. And we know L. Ron Hubbard's connection to... Oh yeah, oh yeah. To all the... All of them. What was it? Just all of them. Yeah, all of it. The C.O.R. And I'm gonna give you a little factoid if you didn't know this, but look into the connection with the N.O.I. and L. Ron Hubbard and Dianetics. What's NOI? Nation of Islam. We'll get there later. I'm sure we will. We'll get there in another show. All this is... Yeah. So, it just infuriates me that, like I said, I've come here, I've dissected white supremacy, I've helped define it, not me personally, but

1:47:28 Share the definition. I think that most accurately described it So I'm not saying that doesn't exist. But what I'm saying is you say that you're born with something Yeah, and you can't control it. It's like saying oh well my mother or father was alcoholic So I'm gonna be alcoholic right that that is not acceptable. Oh, I That's not healthy. And like I said, that is the product of, I think more like you said, what the people hear. And if we go on the larger scale, the mass media, if they're pushing trauma-based fill in the blank entertainment, news, media, that only just furthers it.

1:48:09 But I gotta tell you I watch a lot of television mainly cable news and C-SPAN and I'm now I'm very in touch with what I'm receiving and I'm very very it's not a passive thing I do I'm actively engaged I'm very careful not to watch anything passively without unless it's pure and a movie yeah I got it get into it but any of anything else And I do that purposefully because I don't want to get hurt, but even I feel anxious and I know okay It's time for me to stop. I just got to stop turn it off go outside do something else Because it works that way and I've built up resistance, but oh, yeah, I feel it. I definitely feel it I do too and then you know you have to decompress and like you said you have to be in the right state to take media in and

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Chronic Stress, Cortisol and Health Disparities

A professor from Virginia Commonwealth University explains how chronic stress leads to elevated cortisol levels, which can cause diabetes and heart disease. The data shows African American men are significantly more likely to suffer from these conditions. The hosts argue that media figures like Charlamagne contribute to this stress by peddling fear and "Blackanoid" narratives every morning.

cortisol· diabetes· heart disease· chronic stress· virginia commonwealth university

1:49:01 Because like you said if you take it in and not prepared it will you know I have even like secondhand secondhand Corona Like secondhand smoking. I have I hear conversations. I even had to correct my kids. I mean, they don't Yeah, they're like the corona the crown. I mean, it's like I mean they obviously picked up in school somehow yeah, but I mean it's happening, but Let's go ahead and get into Shook Ones 2.1. A professor at Virginia Commonwealth University describes the dangerous effect that toxicity can have on African Americans. Whether it's related to the pressures from society, increased chances of being stopped by the authorities, trying to provide for their families, or trying to find a job or sustain a job. When the stressor occurs, there are physiological processes that occur in the brain that trigger the release of cortisol.

1:49:55 What we have found was in certain people who are constantly stressed, cortisol levels do not go down throughout the day. It will remain high. When your stress levels are chronically high, it can create all sorts of lasting damage. Physically it can lead to diabetes, which African American men are almost twice as likely to develop as white men. It can also dramatically increase your blood pressure, which might explain why, according to the American Heart Association, the prevalence of high blood pressure in African Americans is the highest in the world. No wonder that African Americans are 1.5 times more likely to die of heart disease than whites. Chronic stress can also lead to anxiety. There's no question the stress I experienced as an African American, especially a poor one growing up in the South, has directly led to my issues with anxiety.

1:50:46 I'm no fan of Charlemagne, but he had a lot of interesting things to say there. I mean, I can't disagree with it No, he does but he's part of the problem because he contributes to that stress by getting on his radio show Every day early in the morning and and people need to look this up, but you're more susceptible to receiving Information early in the morning. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. This is why I don't listen to black radio in the morning. I Because they're charging you up. We we listen we heard Tom Joyner. Yeah, I mean we heard these shows Yeah, so when you think about it you have poor people that's dependent upon free entertainment that being Black radio and then you pump them full of all this election is gonna decide everything You know if you don't vote it's gonna be the end. Yeah, and you're making you wonder what and you're literally Killing your audience in the process. It's fantastic. I

1:51:44 But then you come back and write a book on anxiety, well you're actually a stressor. Well, but isn't that always what the criminals do? They always want to make up for it somehow? That's his conscience. His conscience is making him do this. He has to write this book because he feels bad deep down. He feels bad about it. And he knows what he knows with the effects. I spot the BS though and I'm gonna call him on every time I can. And he talks about his existence or just existing as a black man. It is stressful. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not, you know, because The reason why I say it's stressful is when you start thinking about how people think about you, and that's what this Corona thing is, when you go outside of the house without a mask, like, oh God. Yeah. That feeling. So, I mean, imagine being there being 24 seven, but then when you say, you know what, screw everybody, that's their problem, not mine. Right. That's how you defeat it. But let's listen to Charlamagne's existence of how he's being stressed.

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Fear as a Drug, Charlamagne's Past

The hosts react to Charlamagne Tha God's admission of selling crack while on probation. They argue that while he may have stopped selling physical drugs, he has transitioned to "peddling fear," which they consider a more dangerous substance. They claim his radio show acts as a daily stressor that physically harms his audience's health.

crack cocaine· fear· probation· anxiety· hypocrisy

1:52:48 Like many African Americans, I've experienced more than my fair share of shocking, scary, or dangerous events. And most of them have involved the police. Dealing with the police has always been traumatic for me, and it's partially my fault. As a teenager, I was selling crack and carrying guns. It practically ensured that my interactions with the cops were going to be stressful. Knowing that I could be arrested at any moment kept me in a state of constant anxiety. I mean, I was selling crack while I was on probation, no less. If I got caught, I was going straight to prison. How could I not be worried? Well, I think selling crack and carrying guns will dry you stressed up a little bit. Just a tad. It might get you a little jumpy. And then he's selling poison to his own people. While he's on probation. Disgusting. But okay, there's something to be said for him. I know you're not going to agree, but I'm just going to play devil's advocate. He cleaned up his act, at least the crack dealing act.

1:53:51 And he's writing about his experience. I'll give him a... You know, I'll give him a little bit of a pass. But of course, he's a hypocrite. Duh. That's well, this is why I don't give him a pass because all he did was trade one drug for another drug crack for fear. He's still peddling. Well, he's actually a much more dangerous drug. The crack is a walk in the park compared to fear and what that can do and what it does to your anxiety levels. He didn't mention the adrenal glands, but there's a lot of stuff that stresses stress makes you sick. Yeah, and then on top of that crack is a voluntary exchange Because I want something for you that I know what it's gonna do to me what he's doing on the radio Yeah, do the airways people don't know what it's just as sick as the everybody else what they're doing with Corona right now I can't I had to put them in I can't make a Exception for him. Okay, I can't I mean me personally. No, but I'm never listening. I'm never listening to him again. I

CHAPTER 40 / 41 Discussion

Brain Control, Dinner for Schmucks Antidote

To conclude the discussion on mind control, the hosts play a comedic clip from the movie "Dinner for Schmucks" regarding "brain control." They encourage listeners to use their own "brain control" to filter what information they allow in. The segment emphasizes the importance of being on guard against pharmaceutical ads and negative news.

brain control· dinner for schmucks· thurman· barry· comedy

1:54:58 Well, we have to listen to him because we have to keep an eye on him. I'm counting on you for clips. I'm not gonna listen to him. You do the monitoring. Yeah, well, I have to keep an eye on him because, I mean, hey. You never know. Yeah, he's poisoning my people. I can't, I don't like that. I hear you. But I never like to leave this show on a negative note. It's part of the mind control of this show. We want to make sure you leave happy so you come back happy. Yeah, I mean all of that, he takes something away that, you know, maybe help you through the week. And this is gonna be your antidote for the mind control that you may experience this week. Back for more, Barry? Yes, I am Thurman. Only this time I brought my secret weapon, my brain. What are you talking about? He's talking about brain control. Brain control? There ain't no such thing as brain control.

1:56:04 There's mind control. Brain control is ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Yes, it's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Barry. Barry. Barry. Barry. Barry. Barry. Barry. What are you doing? Oh my God! It works. How are you doing that? I am making you say everything that I say. Yeah, but I'm saying it first. Are you? Yes. Really? I am very, very powerful. Oh my gosh. I hate to say it, I don't know what movie that's from.

1:56:51 That's a dinner for schmucks. That's okay. So yeah, brain control. How do we apply the brain control, Mo? Control your brain. Control what goes into your brain. You know, counterbalance the mind control. Take away what we learn here. Once you know the playbook of mind control, I mean, you can just use your brain control. Well, it's antidote. I'm switching it on full blast mode. Definitely. This has been good. I think the awareness for people is really is a very helpful tool and you can just start with those pharma ads, by the way, that that'll remind you that what's in between the commercials is also probably harmful to your health. Be careful. Be careful what you're listening to, what your intake is. Switch it off.

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Sign-off, Final Thoughts and Outro Music

The hosts wrap up the episode, encouraging listeners to limit their news intake to five or ten minutes a day and to balance it with music or other positive content. They provide the show's website and donation links once more. The episode concludes with a musical track featuring lyrics about "mojo" and "dirty stains."

sign-off· jazz· mofundme· archives· mojo

1:57:45 You know, listen to Mo Fax and then listen to some music. And Noah Jenda. And listen to some jazz, you know. But that is the best thing is just turn it off, stay away from it, be on guard, I guess. Be on guard, right? Yeah, that sounds about right. Be on guard. Just take maybe five minutes, ten minutes of news a day, you know, and then go on with your life. Live your life. Mo, thank you so much for doing this. I didn't quite know where we were going in the beginning. Wasn't quite sure. But I like it a lot and you've actually triggered... Excuse me, Rona. You've triggered...

1:58:30 Number of things in my brain that I'd put aside hadn't thought about and I'm gonna reactivate those It's very good. Very helpful And I appreciate you bringing this up and also how it ties into the overall theme of the show and people can experience this and think about it think about this experience and how this similar this Experience is similar for other people in other ways. Mm-hmm. And like I always say I Pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we look forward to seeing you, dear producer, out there next week. We'll try and do it on the Saturday. And for that, we'd like you to support the show. Go to MoFax.com for all the latest, the podcast feed, the archives page, and directly to our donation page.

1:59:22 at moefundme.com. M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E dot com. Mo, I'll talk to you next week, buddy. Alright, see you later, Adam. Alright, take it easy, man. And we'll see all of you as well. Right here on Mo Facts with Adam Curry. She done worked the roof. Hoo, hoo. Done worked the roof and will not be reversed. Yeah. No. And then I go on, go on, go on my own and eat another herb, so yeah

2:00:02 Said I left my mojo, left my mojo in my favorite suit. Yes I did, yeah. She left a stain, left a dirty stain in my heart. I can't refute. No, no I can't. No I can't. She didn't break the rule. In the name of your name, oh, to my students, oh From the pit of the bottom, bottom, let no stone fall Like the brain to the dirt, from the mind to the mind From the alpha creation to the end of time