Casper Holstein, the "numbers king" of Harlem in the 1920s, was a major philanthropist and supporter of Marcus Garvey. The hosts contrast Holstein with the origins of the NAACP, which they claim was influenced by Joel Spingarn, a man with ties to government intelligence. They question whether the historical rivalry between W.E.B. Du Bois and Marcus Garvey was exacerbated by government handlers on both sides to keep black political movements divided.