09: One Drop

00:00 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for September 30th, 2019. This is episode number 9! Hey Mo! How you doing Adam? I'm doing good man how are you? I am doing well sir You know on the last episode we learned something really important Mainly that the elites of the world wanting to kill us. It's not just a white thing, it's a black thing too I was so happy to hear that Yes There is equality Black elites want to kill everybody too, its fantastic

00:45 Yes, there's only two parties The elite and everybody else or the globalists and the I don't know. I don't want to say nationalists per se But then non-globalist perhaps right as a right look at it Yeah Well, I'm very curious to see what we got going on today Of course the way we operate this show is Mo does uh? The preparation the production gets all the clips together. I do not listen to the clips I can see by some of the titles though that this just might be a very fun show It's a show that I previously promised and as me being me, always try to keep good on my promises. So two episodes ago when we were talking about Mr. Sean King We had the colorism Ah yes! The different shades of brown and black that are problematic Right so what i wanted to do here is Do a deep dive And what prompted me to do that

01:42 is ABC's new show, Mixedish. In the summer of 1985 I was 12 years old and I was living with my family on a commune We ate together prayed together and even slept together I would have told you it was perfect But the government would have told you we were radicalized cult in violation over 47 ATF regulations My peaceful little world had been taken away. When are we going back home? This is our new home What?! Hey hippies Harrison Jackson III was my grandfather I'm gonna make more real-world money to pay for this real world house that your entire family's survival is dependent upon!

02:31 And that is why I hate guns. My little brother Johan looked at everything like one great big magical adventure, my little sister Santa Monica complained like a woman with no kids on her third divorce which interestingly enough she would eventually become and when we got to school we got introduced to the real world Real quick. What are you weirdos mixed with? What's mixed? My parents had sent us out into the world with absolutely no warning that being mixed was even a thing! Imagine being the new kid when no one in the world is like you, but you have to understand today's mix kids can look up to rappers ballerinas athletes of president and a princess The only heroes we had were DeBarge

03:18 You don't have to worry what those other kids think they're idiots and I want to be one of them I wanna be an idiot so bad Alright, this was like an 80s Bad Acid flashback for me with Tears For Fears and DeBarge. Who's Johnny? That would have been fine. Wow! Okay so some background on the show This is a spin-off of the popular show on ABC called Blackish Oh yes I like Blackish that's pretty good show Okay so...this is covering The Moms past

03:56 Which her name is rainbow. He's She she's mixed Her mother is on the show her mothers black and her father's white which almost mirrors the actual arm actress Tracy Ellis Ross That's right Diana Ross's daughter, correct? Mm-hmm So we here in this it was one thing in this um And it's clear and I you probably didn't catch it but a I'm gonna bring it up. Maybe you want to replay it again? Just that just a tiny bit of it Okay, they say When they were going when she was growing up mixed kids had nobody to look up too right? Oh

04:41 Now they have a president. Yeah, I did hear that we can look up to everything including presidents. I did hear the right president ballerina and Princess so just it's near the end right of that clip. I think I think it's about maybe 3 4th in on the clip Let me see real quick. What are you weirdos mixed with what's mix? My parents had sent us out into the world with absolutely no warning that being mixed was even a thing. Imagine being the new kid when no one in the world is like you, but you have to understand today's mixed kids can look up to rappers ballerinas athletes of president and a princess The only heroes we had were DeBarge

05:22 I know not again. I can't listen to the barge right, please Okay, so when they just so this is an audio show So we couldn't see who they flashed up there but they flashed up When they say a rapper at Drake President Trump did they put up Trump? No was Abraham Lincoln Oh President Obama. Oh, okay! And then the princess was... Meghan Markle? Meghan Markle. Who is the ballerina? What is her name? Misty...

06:00 You got I know. I know who it is, but yeah, so mixed with lots of mix people right? So what struck me about this is now We're referring to these people openly as mixed instead of black Black. Yeah Gotcha we didn't do this in 2008 no one called Obama mixed correct No one called Megan Markle the first mix princess or no it was first black princess right so this is why I was like okay this is perfect. It's a nudge perfect jumping off point for to tackle this thing called colorism

06:46 and the origin of colorism in the black community. Mo, can I just say something? I love you man! Yes this is so...I love it when you do this This is great right into what's going on in the world perfect let's do it Right So just some background on the show Blackish uh I liked the show but to use woke language, it has some problematic moments on the show. Oh yes it does like the kid wanting to be a Republican was very problematic right so if this show is used as a tool of propaganda we have to be honest not just a television show so much so they had a The Talk episode

07:33 Sponsored by Procter & Gamble. Oh, yeah Of course this was the we talked about that Proctor and Gamble promoting the talk Yes So that it was a whole episode Surrounded a sponsor by Procter & Gamble and surround around the talk So but I have some clips here just to give some background for the people that haven't seen the show of Things I heard on this show that I found to be, you know Just kind of cringe worthy. Uh, so let's get into clip number two This bit times straight he's gonna throw down the big domino in this one white guilt

08:11 You know like I do around here Charlie I've never seen you use white guilt around here, so Popeye's Friday wasn't enough to convince you Grateful son of bitch That's his buddy at work, right? I love that guy. Yeah so they have the guy at work So it's two... this is some background on more background in the show you have Trey... I think he's Dre Johnson or Trey Johnson one of the two but He's the main character and he's Rainbow a bowl's husband and he's very I'm saying all smart articulate but they work for ad agency which is funny because

08:55 It gives you a little inside glimpse into how I will proceed at agencies look at black people to say what are the black community think about this or if they have a product that trying to sell the black people you see that often but the conversation they had between the two black man in office was. He was telling me he had to throw down the the big card of white guilt and in for example for him this and show that He used white guilt to get Popeye's chicken, which we've had that conversation We're covering a lot of stuff here. So I was like that made me cringe but um

09:35 So that's one moment. Second moment, clip three. I want a strong black name. Oh boy Okay because we've given our kids white names and they've all ended up Black-ish. I just want at least one of my kids to end up being black so i can love it! Your kids are not black enough. Nice! So that makes... he used the term Black-ish, so I'm like what does that mean? I don't know what Black-ish is. Well let me tell you from the white audience this means it's black people who were nicely integrated into white society Moe Yes

10:26 It's a racist show man. Right very much so but I'm not going to harp on that too much, but we can see leading up between from history of this show what we can expect to come from the mix this show is gonna be into more propaganda, but i've always understood um All black people are black. We never made this designation between mixed and black, I mean if you're a black you're black but before we get to there because that's where we're headed with this whole show not only do they push agendas that are race based they also push the agendas

11:07 that are not race based, one being for the pharmaceutical companies. Vaccines- Look, we've got a show for Big Pharma here. Show? In Jersey we like to vaccinate our kids the natural way by swimming in a polluted lake Do you even know what's in vaccines? Uh well... I am a doctor so All of us are trying to do what is right for our kids but we can't let emotions make our medical decisions Frustrated emoji No! We should let a stay at home doctor make our decisions FOR us Crying laughing emoji

11:56 Really? Vaccines work. They work so well that idiots haven't seen the ravages of polio firsthand, so they start spreading lies. Snorting emoji. Ha ha ha! How much are they paying you to poison our kids Dr. Death needle emoji? Bitch I will drive to New Jersey to fight you and your ugly kids can watch! Mom Hi Nice Twitter dialogue The show is shilling for big pharma Coming after the Vaxxers and that's just some background on the show. Let me ask you a question So first of all rainbow the mom in the in the show is doctor yes Is there a?

12:41 Big is there a wariness in the amongst black people about vaccination specifically or big pharma in general? There's awareness about doctors period In the black community But it's too. It's like either you're on one side or the other strongly and One side doesn't trust doctors for situations like the Testigy project. Yeah, there's a couple of historical reasons for that yeah? Right so then you're like man and then it's like a lot of times doctors are on some bullcrap other half looks as doctors is almost like

13:25 Jesus is right-hand man, right? Okay. That's kind of the same that's and they live in doctor I'm saying doctors are highly exalted uh-huh So you don't really have a middle you don't really have a middle on doctors or medical industry interesting Okay so as I said was I was previously stating black people haven't really didn't make the distinction between mixed and black What we did do was, we have a stratosphere of blackness. You have from high yellow to dark black

14:05 Hence the intro song. Black and yellow Wiz Khalifa! Right, so high yellow is like a very light-skinned person And then you have me saying dark black is very black But what you had was the thing called The One Drop Rule And this is how you see where very light skinned, light-skinned people are embraced by black people as us. Now we might fight within ourselves but you're one of us. Let's listen to Halle Berry on the One Drop Rule

14:44 Welcome back to News Nation. A new interview with actress Halle Berry is igniting controversy today over how the Oscar winner chooses to identify her own daughter in the March issue of Ebony magazine, Berry is speaking out about her biracial daughter whose father is white. Berry says she'll let her two and a half year old daughter Nala make her own decision about her race when she's older but Barry says she feels like she's black because she believes in the one-drop theory, the segregation era theory used to identify a person of mixed ancestry. Earl O'Farri Hutchinson is contributor with Agrio.com He joins me live from Los Angeles and Earl you wrote that Halle Berry opened the lid on one of the thorniest issues that still plagues race relations and you even bring up President Obama in your piece Tell me little bit more about your theory here

15:34 Well, she actually did. She opened up a can of worms on that when we talk about race in America We typically think of black and white but now as well known there's a new equation biracial multiracial mixed racial and African-american so now we've got all these things in the mix Now Halle Berry essentially says actually two things number one I'll let my daughter make her decision But this is what caused the controversy I am African-American, i'm proud of that. My daughter is seen as that and essentially that's the way it's going to be The interesting thing about that remember during the election and before the election It came up over and over again with President Obama What is it? How was the one drop rule defined because so many people actually were surprised you know they didn't know really what it is And what it means to black people

16:23 Well, once again learning on a Monday. Never heard of the one drop rule never heard of this Alright, so the one drop rule we're gonna get some background on it. So basically if you any part black your blood Okay, I mean to super always simplify You know, uh, I have later clips that go into detail what it is But this is how you saw Rachel Dolezal Yes Sean King be embraced by you Sam black black people because he's like if you Have any part black in you? You're black. You qualify Yeah, there's no mix that mean you might say oh yes She's mixed but you don't refer to that person is makes you they're black Hallie Barry for example We've always looked at her she the first black actress to win an Oscar and a leading role President Obama he's the first black president like I said before our Meghan Markle is the first

17:27 Black princess in modern times, so We never made that distinction But let's get into the second clip Halle Berry well Well, you know when we look at race I mean we know one thing there's no genealogical or biological basis for race as you know everybody is mixed with somebody else however it becomes a political designation so are you black? Are you mixed-race now politics has come in and how society perceives and labels individuals in this case that happens to be African American. I just think Hallie Berry is reflecting the reality but reality rule was

18:04 the law of the land in the early to mid 20th century which you point out. Yes, as a matter fact actually it was encoded in law in Virginia 1924 and many other states and essentially one drop rule says if you have one drop quote-unquote whatever that is your African American or black well we well know yeah I was 60 70 80 years ago much has changed since then but then again maybe much hasn't changed because Halle Berry suggesting many of the old rules still apply. Well you point out this is in your words, this is a sad reminder that race still does matter and matters a lot to many Americans no matter what they or others call themselves very interesting article you've written on TheGrio we greatly appreciate you joining me and you can actually read Earl's entire report on this one drop rule debate right now on TheGrio dot com thanks Earl

18:58 I didn't know it was encoded in law either. This is nuts. So the reason why that was, so what you had was... You see in other countries? community, you have a white community. And then most other countries like say Brazil, South Africa you have what they call like a mulatto class or a mulatto group and America they wanted a clear distinction between black and white so it was really it was a deterrence

19:40 people to enter interracially date or mingle. Because it was like kind of like a punishment and this is how it's perceived, to say if you have a mixed baby that baby is going to be black and he's going to suffer in the Jim Crow so it was really at a deterrent and that's how I would set up So... And that kind of sucks. Very much so! That's a dumb system, okay? Now this change though I guess with the Civil Rights Movement and then with Civil Rights Act and well The weird thing is black people adopted it because we want to be inclusive in our race We embrace everybody so that's why this show Mixtish

20:34 Really threw me for a loop because it wasn't embracing its separating separating Now we're gonna see whether why this change all of us certain Why are they trying to divide create? Why are they trying to create that mulatto group in America now That's the real question that I sought out and hopefully, I'll answer it today with my findings. But we also have Don Lemon and he does some background on the one drop rule

21:12 In the years following the abolition of slavery, some Americans feared a rise in interracial relationships. So states began passing laws to make sure that any child with a Negro and a white parent could be considered black and denied the rights of white people. In other words, a child with even one drop of Negro blood would be classified as Negro. This became known as The One Drop Rule, a standard ruled unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court in 1967. This and the hardships of racism also caused African-Americans to pass pretend they were white without ever telling their families, leaving a lot of whites not knowing they had black blood. But some experts on race relations say the legacy of the one-drop rule still exists in today's culture." So he brought up a great point of passing have you ever heard this term before? Yes I've heard it in the realm of transgender people

22:07 Interesting. Yeah, well you threw it at me like oh yeah okay or passable I think is what is used now okay yeah we've seen this correlation between LGBTQQIPK and black people as recent as our last show yes so there are a lot of similarities there uh so just go in did one- I'm just perplexed When did we work so hard to be have unity and the weird thing is the reason why I say this is you have to understand blackness And that's what I want people to understand no matter your shade. You're black in the black community except Don Lemon who is Who clearly is a mixed race one dropper? I guess somewhere down the line

23:11 Does he consider himself black? I don't know now. I'm not sure and we're gonna get to that point once again... I'm ahead of the game, I'm sorry! Yeah sorry about that. He's from the future that's what it is I gotta get you a helmet. You know? No, just want to say my experience with black people and that in my experience living with black people was in college totally inclusive now granted they didn't see me as white and I grew up here from Holland that's different and I was completely accepted and integrated so I've witnessed nothing but inclusiveness myself so I can vouch for that based on my own history

23:52 And that's what we do. That's what we do and like I said before, that's why Rachel dollars out and Sean King were allowed to be brought in because if you say your black Guess it's something you really won't lie about if you wasn't um yeah, by the way I never claimed that was black. You know that I think it was clear Right understand but Abby like the last thing he would lie about in a black person's mind It's not why would you want this burden? So we're believing of people I mean perceived burden so We're very believing your people But let's get into the down limit to clip

24:31 Explain what the one drop rule is. The one drop rule historically, also known as the rule of hypo dissent was really instituted to protect whiteness it was a way for the white majority to be able to name and incite who was white so this one drop which is One thirty-second of Negro or African blood would make that person Negro or African, whatever the classification they used at the time. I hear people say we're in a post racial society The reality is in order to get beyond something you have to understand it right? And where in your education Where have you been required to learn about race They don't teach it No! It's the foundation of this country

25:11 We have to talk about race. We have to talk about racial difference It is just a flat-out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race and who was this business? Was this dr Yaba, whatever it's not the yabba blade She she has a one drop foundation Where she's studying the one drop rule And if you heard what she said The One Drop Rule scientifically was if your 132nd black So let's take Meghan Markle for instance. She is half black, her child will be one fourth black. Wait a minute that is only 33%? Is that enough? 25%, I'm sorry it's not enough! Yes so his child could... just to give you an example Her child can marry a white person

26:03 Have a child that child will be 1 8th black That child can marry a white person. That child would be 116 black and then that child come era white person Then that child will be 132nd black and that was still because they're black, okay? No, Matt. And that's the thing you- That child would not appear to be black at all Megan Markle's child doesn't appear to be black At all We never really seen the child have we? I thought it was kind of hidden Yeah they have a picture out and it was floating around It was memed

26:40 And it's like, yeah. I'm surprised it didn't come across your black timeline because this is the Black Prince! I know what am I thinking? Well, I try to avoid gossip from royalty in general so that's probably what happened there But just to give you an example but if a person were to say that we would be accepting of them Not to harp on anymore but just as the background of The One Drop Rule Let's listen to the final lemon clip. Whiteness is normative. So what that means is that whiteness has come to define what is human, what is valuable? What is beautiful? So when we look at women the ways in which you determine a woman's beauty is based upon her proximity to the white ideal Aquiline features straight hair perhaps colored eyes different complexion and the same holds true for men so again I think subconscious or otherwise historically what that has has

27:51 said or communicated is that if you are of lighter skin we can assume that you have white in your blood and to have white in your blood makes you less African, makes you less barbaric, makes you more civilized. That's a heavy assumption! Yeah no kidding but I did have uh a listener contact me and he's from India and keep his name you're saying anonymous He said all the things we stated two shows ago about colorism Hold true in India. Oh and but there it's real classist I would presume yes, it is very this very classes you know uh-uh think But not for certain the caste system is somewhat based off of correct of color yep Yep so We were going back and forth on Twitter you're saying DMS

28:46 And I asked him, I said, I've noticed just to kind of a little sidebar here. Cuz I wanna make sure this is not a black only issue. This is a light versus dark issue and we're gonna get into the multi-racial mixed race interracial stuff soon but we have to understand from my perspective the background on all this so I was asking myself saying hey I notice None of the guys I work with from India wives are darker than them. He's oh, yeah Huh? He said that's a true observation So it's this weird thing or I don't know if his conscious our subconscious but um Do we do we like in beauty to fairer skin? I don't have an answer for that. I can speak personally and

29:38 I am of darker skin and the weird thing was when i was attempting to date especially in high school because you know, I met my wife very early but in high school none of the dark-skinned girls were interested in me. And like I would say that from a white person's perspective Tans are always seen as beautiful, you know the nice bronze sheen is desirable. So I mean yeah there's...I think in fashion today there's definitely an admiration of extremely white

30:15 but with freckles or red hair you know there's stuff like that, but I think in general it still... look at the women putting on makeup. White women putting on makeup makes them a darker tint it's just a fact and it's the complete opposite for black women we're all moving towards the brown! The mixed-ish! What are we doing? We're all gonna be one indistinguishable peoples I in the show. Yeah, I'm sorry is I slept at six hours? You know it's like it's long for me It's funny you always pick up while going here but you it's very true We're working our way towards the middle And we've already heard to term tall dark and handsome. Yes. So colorism is

31:10 Colorism in this an aspect of beauty has been around forever is not a factor as for black men as big as bigger factor for black man As it is for black women. I think black women are harder hit by colorism But now so we have the color spectrum laid out on But we have to ask, how do we get there? How do we get to mix to light skin and dark skin. And Bill Duke explains that. Now you actually created a documentary called Dark Girls and Light Girls. Yes. This was based on your own personal experiences seeing how women of different complexions were treated as they were growing up

32:04 Yes, how I was treated. How I saw women being treated but more specifically racism in our own community based upon slavery principles a lot of the Racism in our community is based upon the house Negroes versus the field Negroes and the house Negroes were the ones who masa had sex with a slave and she'd have a baby and because they were mixed, black and white. They had the privilege of working in houses, servants cooks maids etc but if you were dark you worked in a field from sun up to sun down And that was the division The field negroes were not fond of the house negros because they had privileges and the house negroes were not fond of the field negros cause they were privileged Until this day

33:12 If you go online under hashtag team light skin, hashtag team dark skin. You'll see light-skinned black women and dark-skinned black women brooking over beauty issues and each of them has over 300 000 members Bill Duke, of course a famous director. Yes actor and director yes And he explains the phenomenon called the field Negro versus the house Negro It's just very interesting my perception and understanding is always Again this just from my perspective has been the house negro was kind like a traitor You know the house Negro is just someone who was sucking up to the massa I had no idea of this Of this part of this aspect of it

33:57 That is a true Observation you made because but you had to look at the psychology behind it and that's why I want this is why I have these conversations Mm-hmm. Why is the house Negro looked as favorable to massive? Well now Yes, of course now we understand sure this is my child could you imagine The Shame that a woman had to have and she had a light-skinned child. Sure You can't hide that I mean you have three dark skinned children, and then this one light skinned child Everybody knows what there's the root of that was mm-hmm so as there is There's built in animosity there But in favor of the house Negro they will be able to inherit land

34:58 Lot of times they were willed their freedom upon a massive dying. He would set his children free So it during slave times you had this you had that subculture of mulattoes But that's why they instilled the one drop rule got it so what it did was force these two groups, they had all this animosity back together because The house Negro couldn't identify with the field Negro because it's like man you live in a house and you eat Massive scraps, and you know he share his blood So you're not black enough But on the other hand is like no. You got it when they beat you got to drop. You're not really one of us right yep And but then did one drop roof forces these two things together and the house Negroes are

35:54 were typically the founding members of what would be considered the Boulle because of that privilege. So fast forward, you say post reconstruction or you had a lot of mixed race people black I mean, I consider them black and I don't make that distinction but you had a lot of mixed race people that were landowners and occupy a political office. And as we spoke on the last show, all of Rockefeller money came in to create these learning institutes. And at these learning institutes were majority fair-skinned black people. Let's just be honest here so much so there was a letter discussing this from Howard University in 1928

36:58 Paper Bag Test, a letter from 1928 addresses black fraternity and sorority colorism at Howard University. Ever an anonymous rumors and reports come out of our college in institutes that color prejudice is in evidence and color discrimination practiced We are not so surprised when we hear such rumors and reports about institutions of learning owned, controlled and attended by white people. But it certainly comes as a great shock and causes a feeling of shame when we hear such news about Negro colleges

37:42 At first glance it would seem incredible that Negroes, themselves the victims of ignorant prejudice and discrimination because of color should follow the lead of the Nordics. And yet a sophomore at Howard University our proudest institution of learning makes such a charge against the Negro fraternities and sororities there writing in The Hilltop A campus publication, the student Edward H. Taylor alleges that the Greek letter organizations are behind the movement which results in splitting up various classes into groups of different shades yellow brown and black According to this young man, light-skinned students are sought after by fraternities and sororities particularly the latter

38:28 members and the dark ones pass by. The darker brown students then form their own cliques while the blacks are left out in the cold this is the most disgraceful situation imaginable Wow, um so Howard is Kamala Harris's alma mater I believe. Yes historically black college and she's a member of one of those fraternities sorority of the boulay just say it yes and secondarily I want that guy's voice what a set of pipes on that guy yeah he uh so that was a reading of that letter from 1928 addressing the colorism at Howard University oh so

39:11 It was like you're black in the historically black system. Yes, yes! You're black... it's like we are black but it is different variations of black. When an outside force comes at us we cling together but inside there is a lot of infighting And I hope people notice this throughout every show I've made, they divide black people on every distinction possible. Yes and just as a parallel this is the same with the LGBTQ community which it's not a community...I've always said when I grew up in Amsterdam around lot of this there's no community you know it's actually unfairly and I would say insultingly lumping everybody together

40:02 But the weird thing about colorism, just background. I have two brown skin children and I have two lighter skin children. Now you mentioned this before how does this happen? Because okay going back to my lineage on my dad's side My grandmother is fair-skinned it my grandfather or on my dad's side it's dark skinned On my mom's side my grandfather is fair-skinned And my grandmother, on my mother's side is dark-skinned or darker brown. How about your wife? My wife is lighter skinned. Got it So where did that come from? I mean so here's the thing

40:49 Just because you're light-skinned don't mean you're biracial because we We'd had many many generations of light skinned people to intermarried. Mm-hmm that they're considered just as black as I am But they have fairer skin and then with genetics, you know You never know what you gonna get out the mix crap shoot Oh right so this is the weird that's where it differs from other communities because you can't just Divide and say okay you're over here. You're over here How would you divide my children? You know, we just tell your to a light skin is so you go on this side or are you two of brown? Brown skin that you go on this side So it just makes for a weird Problem can I ask you personal question? Yes sure Do your kids have issues amongst themselves?

41:39 No, because I'm glad you asked that cuz it leads us to the next clip The education has to come from the parents To say there is no difference when I see a light-skinned person. I don't see them as being any less black I judge a person on their actions and what they hold What they hold risk? What they hold In their hearts. Yeah, and importance going I hate to keep going back to these people but that's why you can have people like Sean King and Rachel dollars out to come in because if you judge them on that standard like hey they're members of the NAACP They're fighting for what is perceived to be black rights? You know not off their skin color it they're black But when you ask a great question

42:30 No, it was not a great question. No it was because Matthew knows who is Beyonce's father He's gonna explain that one of your answers to the root of this now in your book You said that your mother would tell you don't ever bring no nappy-headed black girl to my house Yeah Which was wrong? You know, that was an era in the South that a lot of black women felt. Women of color felt and she consistently said that I internalized that because I internalize it because I was one of the first blacks in junior high, one of the first in high school at University Tennessee. I dated white girls when I was a kid

43:19 Because I internalized my mother saying don't ever bring no black nappy hair girl. Well, that's kind of interesting because your mother is she dark-skinned? Kind of in the middle So was she saying don't bring home a girl that looks like her Or darker than her? Well as a kid I internalized it to be even darker or her color darker. So what was really going through your mind when your mother is saying don't date someone who looks like me? I internalized that that was ugly, not attractive, no the right person type of girl she wanted me to date

44:00 Or have a relationship with that's how I internalized it. Hmm, and of course he married Tina Knowles who was light-skinned? Yes, and he's dark skinned well she's actually biracial as he uh I mean like that's the thing is yeah she's back but she's lightskin right but You have to ask the question, this show is going to be heavy on psychology. Did his mother tell him that because she didn't want her grandkids kids to have the perceived burden that she had? Possibly. You know, procreate with a lighter person because my grandchildren will have a better opportunity That sounds like something a grandmother would do

44:50 Right, but it would seem as hateful. That's why I says weird thing Yeah, that's why I say it's a great question cuz you set it up Well if we were that way we will be teaching our kids that but we tell them all shades are black You know there is no Blacker being saying blacker because your skin color But there is a black now don't get it twisted and We push that heavy in my house and it's out of a sense of I like being black I don't see it as being a burden, as some people see it. You know? I embrace it! Um...I think we are some of the most uh... It's just-just team me you're saying? Uh interesting people. Interesting show fact. I've never seen you

45:37 No, once. Once! Honestly once we were setting up Skype the webcam went on. Uh-oh I gotta be honest it was a dark room I couldn't see...I have no idea what you look like. It really don't. It was a dark room so.. And it doesn't matter that's what I love about a podcast you know who the hell knows? It could be anybody. Right but that I don't embrace that self hate I was never allowed to. My parents taught me to embrace our... And that's where we're headed in this conversation, that's why I take what is happening as such an offense. And it's against Martin Luther King's words!

46:23 Judge not a man on the color of his skin, but on the content of his character. Yes, what in and within house? We judge people based solely off the color their skin Yeah, and it had to had that jump higher hurdles as you seen here I mean In the previous clip, the man brought up the brown paper bag test. Yes And this is a real thing I've heard of it. I've heard of the brown paper bag tests I've heard of that in South Africa they had I believe what it's called the pencil tests not only its skin color a big issue and um and black people's arm and The Black Sphere or realm hair texture

47:07 Yes, it's another thing so in South Africa they do what is called the pencil test if the pencil could be placed into your hair and it falls out then you pass Wow So speaking of the brown paper bag test Matthew knows Beyonce father speaks on that Fortunately, we had scrimmaged a little small black school You know larger schools scrimmage small black schools or play them in an initial year season and this coach at Fisk University Whispered in my ear

47:43 Because I played very well in the squirmish that if I ever wanted to go to Fisk University To just call him and I remembered that so you transferred a fisk transfer it to fists But fisk had the color the brown paper bag test brown paper back. This is a real thing Oh, absolutely It's a very known thing in a black community Back tests. I remember azalea banks was lightening her skin at one point. And she was talking about the brown paper bag test and how black guys respect the brown paper bag. I had never heard of it until she said it, but I didn't realize how far back it goes

48:25 So they pulled out a brown paper bag? No, how it worked. This is I transferred in 1972 and it was the last class that they did the brown paper back and they would ask you for photo You had to submit with your registration And they would put the photo up against a brown paper bag. Okay, and Fisk was primarily black school? It was all black 100% black So you have a 100% black school that would not admit dark-skinned people if they were not athletes That's absolutely right or if they were women and they had very prominent families of very wealthy families that donated a significant amount of money to the school

49:13 What is wrong with you black people, Mo? Wow. That's crazy When you go back to the origin of colorism and the difference in the color You see it goes back to the house negro Mm-hmm And the field negro And this was 1972 1972 Wow That's why I... Yes We went from 1928 To 1972 He said he was the last class But did you catch at the end there? Yeah, oh if you had some money then it was a different story. Does that sound familiar? Yeah like every university known to man but no in the recent in the recent news of course we got this by celebrities who would buy in their kids way and Of course You could do it with colorism too

50:07 Yes, so crazy. Yeah, so out of all the things I listed in the eight previous shows that divide our people you top this one on Top of it on a surface level. I mean not no pun intended yeah But you know only Clearly and it's not only then in 1972. By the way, may I make a suggestion? Yes that this is a different yet correct example of institutional racism yes Just want to put it out there uh-huh just as bad It's just you know look at where its happening That's phenomenal to learn this and like I said psychological mm-hmm because when you see

51:00 You're gonna hear how the effects of it even to this day like Bill Duke said in a previous clip He said you can go on now online and look up team light skin Hashtag team light skin or team dark skin And I challenge two people our listeners to do that just so you can see aspect, and it's very hateful. It's so hateful Actually, so hey hope so much so I would like to see them remove This is some kind of hate communication and I'm not one to people, you know for removing communication But if that's what it is And you can see hit the road mean you see the rubber meet the road in this next clip with uh The prince family now background on the print prince family. They are a youtube couple and they basically

51:49 Document every moment of their life lives on YouTube now the I think her name is Bianca Prince. She is very fair-skinned and she is a product of a biracial Relationship and the man is dark skinned but Let's listen to her and accusations against her about being a colorist. She started brown eyes, for sure. For sure, for sure! The Prince family's video about the birth of their daughter was supposed to be a beautiful family moment but after they posted it to YouTube some commenters complained about how mama was talking to her new baby

52:35 Because I had blue eyes when I was born. Sorry. That's why children have pretty eyes! She do have pretty eyes. Baby Nova Grace Prince was born last month, she is the third child of Bianca and Damien Prince. More than three million people subscribe to their YouTube channel to experience all of the family's intimate moments but some people who watch the video took issue with what they called Bianca's complaints about her daughter's eye as well as the parents comments about her skin color. So Bianca, just giving birth to the child I mean this is an operating room but delivery room footage you should have seen that disdain on her face because the baby didn't have blue eyes she said i wanted her to have pretty eyes she doesn't have pretty eyes now imagine being born to a mother like that

53:36 I'm talking about straight out, pushed out and the baby you hand a baby to the mother and she's like ugh. This is one time I wish this show was video because it made me mad. And then, and I don't really get triggered by anything. Yeah pretty much but just your child supposed to be the most joyous you know cuz you worry birth defects none of those kind things You take that sigh relief? I went through it four times and it's like huh Like everything is okay. Ten fingers, ten toes you know? Everything's okay. Exactly! Kids breathing got a head... Got a head?! Yeah we got a head yeah it's good and of course your child is always the most beautiful thing in the world I was supposed to be Always but her you should- It was disgusting The look on her face and the dad's kind of like I know he's recording now that he has that mental

54:35 The mental awareness like we're taping here. You know I mean do you understand how you can just like yeah the baby has pretty eyes? This is basically a reality show on YouTube even if it's done in the...I've done reality shows, I had my own reality show I know how they work. People say all kinds of stuff that may not be what they exactly believe Just like in real life people make up crap all the time Regardless, it's still incredibly weird for her to do that and while the clip was playing I did indeed look up team light-skinned Team dark skin. It's quite a thing Yes, it's quiet is more leaning towards Like email yeah, oh no, it's all I see 95% female Paul though team dark skin seems to be a lot more male than

55:24 Uh, than female or more male than on team light skin. Interestingly yes so I have a 2nd clip of the Prince family. if you would like to play that one. Oh, look at them they look so cute you guys! Yeah, you can see her nails yep look at her ears you see it? Her ears dark! Some commenters say the princes seemed disappointed in their new baby's appearance and even went so far as to accuse them of colorism which means to discriminate based on the color of skin

56:01 A lot of people were judging us off a 30 second clip that was posted on these other platforms. Bianca and Damien posted a response video clarifying their comments. When I said, I wish you had pretty eyes, I didn't literally mean she doesn't have pretty eyes. You know what I'm saying? I didn't mean oh my gosh, my daughter has ugly eyes! When I say pretty eyes, I meant the term of green eyes Have you ever gotten a compliment about your eyes? No. If I was a colorist, I wouldn't even like black people at all! You have the choice right?! I have the choice! Did I force you to get with me? NO! Did I kiss with me? NOOOOO! So it's like...I not once said my dog is ugly They went on to insist they are loving parents to all of their children Despite the controversy The Princes say they're not taking the video down Which for them will always be about one of the best days of their lives Okay

56:54 So as I said before, the husband in this situation or the father in this situation is dark brown skin. And she made the point She said if I didn't like dark-skinned people... I wouldn't be with my husband yeah But This where we go Black men don't struggle with colorism As they way females do I would like to see If this child was male I would assume it's just my assumption Her reaction would have been different because it's a little bit more acceptable on way more acceptable that

57:31 Black dark males are attractive coming you like I go back to the statement tall dark and handsome tar dark and handsome well, I think the The fashion industry has a big role in this not just fashion but fashion media What is considered beautiful is it we're seeing it change before our very eyes by the way Curvier bigger woman bigger women are now considered beautiful. And not saying they're not But we came a long way since the Twiggy days, if anyone that's I know it to showing my age here. But just go back to the models on the runway in the 80s who had the heroin chic you know completely falling down so skinny look

58:12 And if you go back in history, we have Rubens, Rubenesque women who are very similar to what is considered beautiful fashionably beautiful today. So it's I always feel bad for women in general the way the culture treats them based upon how they look or how they can make themselves look and that's the power advertisement working in a negative way as it doesn't does frequently but They paint the picture, but we see this and I'm not gonna go too far on this tangent. But we see this with men short man Yeah Tall dark handsome short don't count yeah that's right So nobody wants a short son Nobody Kevin Hart got a real bum deal didn't he?

59:02 Yeah, he's short and really black. Oh gosh but it works for him because it does of course what I'm saying is He turned that he has a character that he plays called chocolate drop which is weird But yeah, so like I said we don't struggle black men on struggle with this as much as women do And these things as Matthew knows stated as we've seen with the Prince family they have real-world implications where it has a real effect on Particularly women's psyche. So Evon you advance in that She's on the own network and she was brought up by Oprah she had this talk about colorism Let's hear colorism dark talk about

59:53 As a coffee girl, what you've experienced personally in the world and from your lighter skin sisters? I always felt some type of inferiority. I did. I didn't feel like I was good enough. I just didn't feel like I added up and especially growing up in the South, you know, the boys would always... Like light-skinned girl with the good hair. And um... So I didn't feel like I had enough to get the cute guy. And until I believed that I was just that dope, because I just know I am now... It festered in me for quite some time. How did it come out? It came out of a lack of self-esteem probably more so than not Just feeling inadequate Really feeling inadequate

1:00:48 So you can see how it plays on people's psyches. Yeah, there was an additional data point in there which I've heard...I think the first time I heard it was Arsenio Hall said like Oprah has good hair! Yeah and that's what I'm speaking about before not only is skin color its hair texture where straight hair Or wavy, wavy to straight hair. Well anything not nappy is considered what they call nappy in that cell where you have the tightly curl hair is considered a bad hair.

1:01:26 I didn't really dive into that because i'm not, I don't want that kind of smoke. Oh No, i'm not going there because the hair thing is a whole That's it? That is the third rail of blackness that you don't yeah black men Don't talk about The hair thing anywhere where a black woman could hear it Is that what i'm understanding from you moe what i'm saying is you can't win but no You can't oh, so I don't pick fights. I can't win. Oh but on the inverse on the inverse of the other dark perceive problems

1:02:04 Light skin women have problems too. What's been your experience? I was always told you know, you're the milkman's baby or You know, you can't be my friend, because the guys are gonna like you more than me And so, you can't be my friend So I felt like an outcast and I would get in fights literally with brown-skinned girls that I never even knew their names And my dad had to teach me how to fight because I got picked on so much Even one time when I was in the ninth grade. I had a girl come up and cut my hair all the way up to here a chunk out of my hair Brown skin girl Did you think you cute cuz she got long hair?

1:02:52 How do you feel now? So I cut it all off and rocked with it short. It was curly, so you think your cute because you got curly hair? You know, so its constantly fighting. So I found another light skinned girl to be my friend and that's who my friend was Huh, you know I did when I saw an article the other day. I didn't send it to you This happened to a black girl in Northern Virginia your neck of the woods just recently on the local news Yeah That was she had dreads mm-hmm, but I think that was more of a bullying case okay? More than self inflict what I mean by self inflicts inflicted by another black black person okay gotcha but

1:03:37 What I want to say here is you can see the pitting of these two people against each other. Sure It's a push in a pool So you can't win, you know because like it goes back to the House Negro feel Negro The other looking on the other side that grass is always green well Of course is there in Is there a commonly accepted celebrity who has the quote perfect skin tone? As in like brown paper bag perfect. Who would I say has the safest? No, no like the perfect. Oh this person is exactly the right amount, the right shade, the right tone. Is anyone that both sides accept universally

1:04:35 Barack Obama. Oh, thank you beautiful okay gotcha cuz he wasn't seen as light-skinned But he wasn't seen as you know as dark skin I mean He was actually and I think about it. He's probably is the color of a brown paper bag Which I wonder if that's my plan. Knowing how calculated he is, I wonder if that's my plan but... That's fantastic! Okay well then you answered the question. If I had to think yeah um because I'm gonna be honest with you it's in Hollywood the lighter skin works for you Oh hell yeah Because uh well it works for you up to a period

1:05:22 When you're younger, it works for you because you get all the sex symbol roles. But as you've seen Halle Berry disappeared. We have a so did Wesley Snipes Well, what I mean is you can't play the... You don't really get those motherly roles. Right because she's too light-skinned She's very light skinned so she's too light skinned and she can't really... She doesn't... Is not passable? Is that what we say then in that case in an older role What I'm saying is she doesn't have that well when you want the motherly role And I just like a Hollywood casting hat on You want the mother role! You want the darker skin

1:06:02 It look at any movie the black mother is typically dark darker than the child Wow okay, yes gotcha So in the previous clips we heard a term called passing mm-hmm and You even mentioned that you heard this in in the in the trans Community sure so passing is when you're probably yet. The 1 8th of to 116, maybe even one fourth. As I said before Megan Markle child is probably gonna look pretty much white and if you didn't know his mother he could pass no he can work his way into white society so Oprah covered this on the pressures of passing. And certainly the whole passing thing that's a whole nother

1:06:55 That's a whole other subject, the passing thing. But you know the thing about passing for those who did pass and Lita was saying this in her family once you pass The decision to pass means that you've given up your entire family You can never go back because y'all understand that right? Because if you're passing you just can't have your black mother show up You just cannot explain for black women in your kitchen That's old Oprah because I can tell she has a very it must have been a long time ago that clip Yeah, that was an older show and the case in point of passing is miss Meghan Markle Mm-hmm. If you didn't know

1:07:41 And I covered this on a previous YouTube video, but if you didn't know her background you wouldn't know she was part black. No the Brits still haven't figured it out if they actually knew that be up in arms moe Oh well well now you're gonna...I think that is proper gander And it's pushed for the for the thesis statement of this show once I get there that she is one hit one Are you took me here? Oh, what Harry is not a role by blood. So they don't really give rats ass what he does right We know he was stable boys kid Hello, it's obvious yeah Yeah so I think they said what can we use him good for well They used him

1:08:32 He can't be on the throne. What can we do with this mongrel? Exactly, we could use him for propaganda because you know England is darkening by the minute so they're using him to push that agenda and if people want further detail go to Shameless plug go to Mofax.com or Mofax YouTube Yeah, you did a youtube video on that sure yeah so and to show that they played her black side up That's why her father wasn't allowed to be at the wedding now We can't that's like Oprah saying you can't have your your really black mother show up? Yeah Got have the white guy walking in the Black Princess down the aisle. That's bad for optics. Yeah, so

1:09:28 I think she in and you know what? I watched the show suits that she was on. I was like, She's racially ambiguous. I was like, is she Latina? Is she no, I couldn't really put my finger on it. I knew she wasn't completely white but then I was all okay when but in the show they pushed their agenda her father was black in the show So, but I didn't know what she had going on with her. So Oprah continues on passing with Oprah too. Well you know I experienced this early when I was shifted from one parent to the other and I came to live in Milwaukee with my mother who was rooming with a lady and My mother has another daughter so i have half sister who is light skinned younger than I And they were allowed

1:10:21 Inside the house, and I was forced to sleep outside in the hallway Because I was the brown-skinned person And you know and my you know my mother did it just because otherwise we'd have no place to sleep But the place was owned by a white Not white but. I thought she was white miss Miller who also passed and Just didn't want the brown skinned child in her house It's just really racism passed on to ourselves. That's what it really is not in a very strong way Very nice Oprah said right there and she laid it out perfectly and miss Miller Had to if you're gonna play the role You're saying you got to play all the way yeah, I can't have the black cat of black kids sleeping in the house If you're gonna pass for the white woman so I have this interesting book called

1:11:13 It's called our kind of people is written by Lawrence Otis Graham and in one of the chapters in it Is called passing for white when the brown paper bag test isn't enough So this book is about basically The black elite in America. I says inside America's black upper class and he gives you a 17 ways to pass. Alright, are we gonna do the list? Yeah I'll start off with five you tell me if you want me keep going alright um I love these tests so yeah let's go okay all right number one passing will be and we gotta understand this is talking about an older times

1:12:03 But passing will be easier if you attempt it while away at college, preferably on a campus that is predominantly white and is located in a small rural town. That's number one. For the people out there who want to pass, you want to go to a white university in a small town? Alright. Right? Are we taking notes? Yeah of course I'm taking notes! I got it in an outline are you kidding me?! Okay alright... Number two change your last name to one that is not associated with black family names Well I gotta problem there do you know that when I first started using Uber I didn't have a profile picture

1:12:43 Austin, Texas and My my cars were canceled regularly not all the time but regularly I'm like what the hell is going on? Why did it cancel and then I put my picture in never had it happen again because curry is a black name And like Steph Curry. Yes, that's my brother from another mother so names not to use. Curry Jones Jackson Johnson William Thomas and Brown all right okay number three Recreate your family tree by describing yourself as an only child born to a born-apparent who died years ago And who were all who are also only children. Mmm, okay All right number four relocates a new community that insulates you for interacting with blacks and That is at least a few hundred miles away from your family's home and number five almost stop it five Number 5 is think

1:13:43 Think of some manner in which to kill yourself off in the minds of black people who know you and your family. If your parents or siblings are willing to participate and assist in you, they can say that you are now living outside the country that you have entered a cult or religious order, or even as you have died Well, this is top. This is very sad advice obviously this is Sad no So if that's for people out there would like to pass and if you want to find the other 12 Go read our kind of people by Lawrence Otis Graham But I do have some background Background a clip just they give you

1:14:30 uh a mental perspective of Mr. Otis, Mr Lawrence Otis Graham as he has the talk but the talk goes wrong. In certain ways by making sure that we're wearing clothes that are not ones that suggest that we are part of the criminal element as people would say It's no hoodies, it's no dark clothes. My boys know that they've got to be khaki pants We don't do sweatshirts with words and names on them This is really casual for them They don't do the t-shirt thing And when it comes to jackets raincoats this is only time you're going to see a hood in our house Is on a raincoat or winter jacket There are no colored high tops

1:15:08 It's loafers, it's white tennis sneakers. It's not carrying anything in your hand after sundown that could be misconstrued as a weapon. It's also making sure that when they go to stores they get receipts if they walk in and make eye contact and nod and smile at the shop owner They make sure their bags are zipped or left outside of the store. It is also making sure that they never run when there is a police officer unless its very So that's a mental, peek inside the mental...

1:16:01 State of mr. Lawrence Otis Graham and his boot he is boule of all boule He wrote the book on basically Of Basically inside America's black upper class I think is the book you're referring to yes Yes, and there's chapters in there such as just a list of the chapters just go down just oh The origins of the black upper class Jack and Jill that's which is a Where they leap black kids are separated from the rest you got chapter 3 black child experience The right coalition camps in private schools sounds like a fun vacation read Chapter 4 is interesting Howard Spellman Morehouse three colleges to count. Okay, we heard about Howard Yeah Spelman

1:16:53 Okay, do you know who spell it's a little trivia. Do you know who Spellman was named after I do not Rockefeller's wife that was her Of course and Morehouse was named after white men as well And these are supposed to be black university at Black University sure but what we do is it? I'm saying this is say yes they are proud found on institutes of Higher learning, but we also have to look and see you know, yeah where they come with a money-capped five the right fraternities is sororities so Previous knowledge of what we covered in the show. You see where this book is headed Okay So mr. Lawrence said in his clip they're not trying to make their children white but

1:17:40 Now I know you everybody's asking well, where is Mo going with this? He started off with mixed Where I mean now he's went down colorism and you know the black elite in all this Okay Just to let you know at one time the black elites say okay. We were one dropped in So we got to make the best of it so what we'll do is You know create our own class our own subculture based off a color Or as they stated in Matthew Noclip, if you are extremely wealthy you could buy your way into the club. But when they sent their kids off to these Ivy League schools once integration happened, the kids started going to Ivy League schools and starting meeting people and dating interracially became more acceptable

1:18:31 The bullet made a pivot and this is by mr. Lawrence Oh, mr Otis Norris Otis Graham talking about you've had a whole change of heart what in the world has happened Well one thing that happened Rolando's I started to realize that a lot of people make these personal decisions That we should not always hold them accountable to making political decisions when someone decides for a long time I was opposed to the whole notion of black folks even dating outside or marrying outside of the black race because I said if you want to demonstrate your pride in our people, you have to give something back to the community. The problem with that is it's not too far from really making the same argument that whites were making in the 1940s they were called bigots so the problem here and certainly Pamela knows with coming from mixed parentage

1:19:19 that when someone takes the leap of faith to say, well I'm gonna marry outside my race but yet at the same time it's possible for me to hold onto my own identity. I can give back to my black people, to the black community. I made the decision to marry a black woman because at that time I never even considered dating a white woman for political reasons. Whoa! Does that sound familiar? Barack Obama Uh-huh So people marry Black For political reasons, I mean that's not anything new to most of our listeners. But that is a con, left that in there as it's a conscious decision but you can hear him say at one time he said black people should marry black people and as a side note i will say this. I believe for one You can marry who you want too because I don't care what people do in their love lives or

1:20:18 or their sexual lives. That's none of my business, but if you understand and this is where this clip is going and this whole show was going we're only 13% of the population If we don't make a conscious effort to maintain our race I think it won't exist anymore Well that's a real concern of mine And this is where I thought you were probably taking this and I think what's gonna turn out to be right is What is happening intentional or not, but I think you're showing us that there is intent. Is to effectively remove the black race and here's the thing...I think they're gonna remove all...I think they are trying to remove all races. Yes! Black and white. I totally agree let everybody be brown yeah sure But as i've stated on this show many a times before All problems...the problems that hit everybody Hit us first And hit us hardest We know it's crazy Mo

1:21:23 Yes, so you just said something which doesn't shock me because I know you as Moe and I have the same...I think we have very similar values. You say that black people should marry black people If i said white people should marry white people The fucking sirens would be going off outside the house Not with me? No It's for the reasoning Now let me explain to you why I'm a vain person! I like my genetics I want to pass those genetics down to my grandkids. Which is totally your prerogative, hell yeah! Right it's not out of all you know... Whatever, you're diluting my stock or you know what i'm saying? No no but it's the same as royal families all around Europe

1:22:14 They marry other royals, you know. This was the problem with Lady Diana she was a commoner you know she wasn't of blue blood like Horseface Camilla sorry I know that was rude but i can't help myself You know this is not an uncommon thing for fam India has this of course Pakistan very oriented towards continuing a bloodline or having the right families congregate together. So it's actually, it's not an abnormal thing at all. And like I said do I want my kids to procreate with intelligent people? Yes! Do I want my kids to preferably

1:23:04 Let's just be vain here. Taller people, yes! Okay but one other thing that I'm talking about because I love the parallels...I'm just giving you my perspective In the United States for sure if you say no and i'm a white man or I'm straight man or whatever I don't date trans women You're automatically a transphobe. I think I caught something here didn't I? Yes, all right. I'll back up continue okay Okay so now we're moving forward and we see that the bullet made a pivot to be accepting because the bullae of Basically outline where black people are headed And they were you know pro blacks dating within the race and as you can see in there in their arm

1:23:51 And they're in a community dating lighter, marrying lighter to make your race become lighter. So we have Professor Kevin Brown and he speaks on the impact of mixed race. And we're seeing substantial increases too in black multiracials that is blacks with a non-black parent, black white parentage, black Asian parentage. Those percentages are set to increase by 80% between 2010 and 2020. We're now seeing substantial interracial marriage among the black slash African American population in the United States. So you can see here 1970 of all blacks who were married

1:24:40 Only 1.1% were married outside of the race, that increases to 2.4% in 1980 4.1% in 1990 7%. In 2000 and 2010 it increases to 9%, but let me add this is all blacks who are married So younger people, the ones in the prime childbearing ages are even much more likely to marry across the race. In 2012 for example one in four black males that married 25% married outside of the race. For black women it was about 9.3%.

1:25:26 and we continue to see that black males are two to three times more likely to marry outside of the race. If these current trends continue, within a generation or two, a majority of the black population in the United States will actually be mixed-race and because they're mixed-race they will more and more assert an identity that's different from that of African Americans So with his math We're basically doubling interracial population or interracial marriage, like basically double every decade. Yeah roughly what he said? Yeah it won't take very long is what he's saying yeah and that's scary from my perspective uh-huh on my desk I have pictures of my grandparents oh i'm a very proud of my lineage

1:26:27 that we survive and it's a real possibility that my culture, it's not about skin color. And now that's why I laid out about colorism. It's not about skin color. It's about culture is going to be erased and that's why I have a real problem with this show of a sub segment of our culture is pulling away When you say culture, what exactly do you mean by that in this context? So first of all black is not a race. I mean because it's not. ADOS is when I'm talking about my culture the Black American experience All that encompasses I feel like they're trying to go away from that

1:27:34 I don't want to have, I'm being serious as a hard sack right now. I don't wanna see that happen We've seen this with Native Americans And it's a real fear of mine. I look at Native Americans and they're like you basically It happened to them But okay so do you The question is, because this is coming from inside black families themselves. Now of course there's tons of influence from the outside making this happen but it's something that historically as we can see because of external factors is happening internally

1:28:15 You know so the grandmother says don't go ahead. It's it's a family thing Yeah, you might fight with your sister or your brother right mm-hmm But somebody mess with them you the Currys right yes of course That's what I'm saying. I gotcha. I gotcha no I Understand that I just want to delve into it. Yeah, yeah, maybe illustrate. I want to illustrate straight that clearly Yes we may fight within ourselves but before If anybody mess with us, we were all together. No matter your shade no matter you know no matter what right well it seems like they're trying to They found a good way To divide us and they're plucking every string and they is is the boule ie the black elite

1:29:12 Yes, okay. Let's just make sure that's why I said they did a pivot yeah They were all for Blacks marrying and you heard the man said it himself He was from blacks marrying black says the best thing you could do for your community But then hit they'd do a pivot and say you know what that remember that passing thing What happens here is the passing bar has been lowered? yes That's why I want to illustrate in now is not whiteness the bar now is not whiteness anymore its non-blackness If we can skirt into non-blackness, then we passed. And from my perspective Moe I am literally the most hated type of person in the United States right now which is an old straight white male. I too am being told

1:30:04 Move over a little more towards... Get a little browner, son. You're being nudged! We're both being nudged. Absolutely. We were both being nudged. Let's get into Professor Kevin Brown II With respect to black multiracials the research on the racial identity of multiracial tends to show that black multiracials have very different racial identities from African-Americans They generally tend to fall into one or three kinds One, they either assert that they're multiracial. Second that they'll assert that they're black or third is it they will assert that they are just simply beyond race. They are non-racial. They don't think about race. You know consider race indeed a few would even take the white ancestry or Asian ancestry and also

1:31:01 Within the United States, the black family has fragmented since the 1960s. We're at a point now where almost 70% of our children are raised in single parent homes so when you put together that black males are more likely to have interracial relationships with white females And with the breakdown of the black home, it means many black multiracials are actually being raised by single white females. And they therefore having a very different racial identity than the traditional African American. So all this seems to suggest that we're really watching some fundamental shifts in the traditional struggle of the African American in the United States and in some real way

1:31:56 we are watching substantial interracial marriages and the trend of those continues to accelerate as the younger people get older and older. If I may, and if this is not an appropriate spot to do it let me know in this whole deconstruction which you're laying out before us quite expertly does and if so where does Michael Jackson fit into this topic? Michael Jackson He was born a dark skin man but I'll talk about it this year's the proper bag is the darker light divide what. The pressures of fitting in to that

1:32:43 It's kind of like, I think Michael Jackson suffered from something. Barring the skin... What would we call it? Vitiligo. Vitiligo, barring that. Which is a- which is a- I know black men with vitiligo and they peel off and it's white! You know, I know white people with vitiligo and it's the same thing. Barring that you can't still ignore the facial changes. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah And I think that was a form of like, kind of like how uh what do you call it? Anorexia and bulimia. When you look in the mirror he had an idea of...and that idea was based off of white beauty Yeah! ...and he was trying to get there That's why honestly believe about Michael Jackson yeah The nose is really what bought me. I worked with him a couple times

1:33:37 And you know, I can't speak on behalf of all white people but i know we're like man, he liked your nose. You had a nice nose what are you trying to do here? You're ruining it! Now that you brought that up and I don't want to harp on this too long even the way we're accepting of his quote-unquote children... Bro bro yeah bro Are we not so accepting of his children Black people are. Yeah, but bro them ain't in my humble opinion I don't think those are genetically Michael Jackson's children No that's possible it wouldn't surprise me when I look at his genetics of him as a child I don't see that happening but

1:34:27 We're accepting. Now just to illustrate how accepting we are, nobody's ever questioned that. Nobody has ever publicly questioned it. That's right I'd yeah...I have never heard anyone question it actually Except for here on the uh... On MoFax of course! This is where we break down all those holy walls All right, so one last shorty but let's get Kevin Brown three. Well the impact I think is the impact of thing We're already seeing it. So there's less talk about race in the United States and more talk about new grace neutrality Individualism because me course as your black multiracials grow up they're less and less invested in it Yeah, that's what you're talking about this how you lose it well

1:35:15 There's that thing cuts both ways. Either they go, well I'm not black anymore, I'm multiracial you know that kind of thing or they go hyperblack Now we're going to go back a couple shows to Mr. Sean King! This degree of even light skin, privilege and accessibility because I look how I look that makes me more relatable to white people in white spaces so what I have to do if I have some level or relatability that I didn't choose I was born with it I have to use it I have to squeeze it I have to maximize it So that's what you see

1:36:01 Mega woke light-skinned people. Y'all go hard, man! Then the flip of that is... I mean, Colin Kaepernick and I have talked about this at great length Because we grew up in the families we grew up in, We also grew up in close intimate proximity to white people and white problems. And so we saw it and we understand it in a way that's so we're trying our best to use it. So as Mr Kevin Brown says one way you can go is just say go away from blackness but You have a lot of biracial

1:36:44 people that turn into the blackness very heavily. As he said, the super mega woke... That's his word? Super mega woke? Yeah he did. Here is my theory on that I think they try to play that game of well i'm not really black but they get into those spaces and then their treated as if there are black because the people that they're dealing with Still operate off the one drop rule right and what you get is this You get your Colin Kaepernick's you get your Angela rise? You know saying you get your Shawn Kings. We're not necessarily all a DOS by the way, right but I tried to go racially ambiguous biracial

1:37:36 But it didn't work and they get offended. And then that's why they say we need safe spaces when me Bro, we've been live this yes Yes, yes. Yep We I'm not what I walk into the situation That's why I said and here's where the arm the trans thing is a great analogy. I have no closet that I can live in oh When you're trans and you're really good at it You do have a People don't really know and they won't question you about it, you know But we have much much more figured out. You have more control over your appearance in that situation versus color What but when you're out it? Yeah Or when you're outed as as Mr Kevin Brown says your raised by a white parent you can pretty much pass but then when you're outed

1:38:33 How does your peers accept you? Right. Do they look at you differently because you were saying, You wanted to be accepted as not and I don't think these uh...I don't think they want to be accepted is white. I think they want to get what they say past race and we heard that conversation where post-racial society yes okay right and that's what with 2008 They were pushing hard but you notice by 2012 2016 the other shoe dropped yeah like nah Yeah, where what how does that happen? I don't know. I can't say like I can't speak to that perspective because i've never had that luxury of being racially ambiguous uh But all right so now we're here Hold on mo listen to your words you said you haven't had the luxury Of being racially ambiguous you consider that a luxury I do I'll look at um reason why I say that is in the same way

1:39:35 a trans person would be Accepted as whatever gender they wanted to be got it Not as that you're saying not as either way what I'm saying is not being recognized by my race first Got it. No, not that don't want to be my race. I want to clear that up Right? It's the fact that when you walk into a room and this whole show you seen Certain we the way we either way at Falls certain Assumptions are gonna be made about you. Oh, of course Of course so I've never had that even enter my community Got it because I'm of a darker hue So I know when you're like in the middle

1:40:27 You know you like you asked a great question what Barack Obama he falls in the middle So he never had to I don't think he ever had the light skin or the dark skin thing happen to him But as we discussed before and it fit perfectly in this episode as well. He had huge credibility with Michelle Yes, mom not talking on the bi-racial thing. I'm talking about just on color alone right his complexion right? Right, right was perfect It's perfect. So it was like he never was perceived as a light-skinned person, or light skinned black or dark... I've never... That's so weird! You made me think today. I've never heard him referred to either. Right? That's interesting. Yeah well he's i think you it was like he came out of central casting the perfect color honey roasted is that a hashtag i should be aware of

1:41:20 So, yeah. Um... so people may ask what is the origin of all this? And you've hinted at it as you do in your future and we're gonna get something to fix that because You got it right! You know exactly where I'm headed Oh yeah oh yeah This is one of my favorites I love this It's a plan I believe To destroy races of people. And if you're talking about what's going on in Europe? I think it is, i think its not only Europe, I think that just one of the plans... One of the tentacles of the plan but I think there's a thing called the Calerigy Plan Yes sir! Very familiar. I have a clip on it before but before we play the clip I would like to get your perspective on this

1:42:15 The Kalargi Plan. Well, we've discussed this quite a bit on the No Agenda Show in relation to immigration issues happening in Europe and I lived in the Netherlands, I lived in Belgium, I lived in the United Kingdom and there was...I think he was Austrian, he was mixed. He was of Asian descent I know one of his parts of Asian maybe... Yeah Austrian-Japanese yeah I think that's it exactly yes the count of Kudenhove-Kalergi and and his entire push was to create well his first book was Pan Europa which is you know early 1925 or something before the

1:43:06 before the Great Depression, but he foresaw a future where Europe became brown. Just everyone integrated and we had one big mass of people kind of the same color all over Europe and this is taken so seriously that there is still a prize given I think every year maybe every two years to people in Europe and I don't know if it's called the Kalergi Award, but it's for this type of integration. And I know Angela Merkel who really helped Germany open up their borders to not really good results by the Germans own admission what has happened all over Europe and she was one of the most recent recipients of the Kalergi Award. And I've looked at this and whenever you hear

1:44:02 Well, for instance I first came in touch with it in a horrible way Anders Breivik he's the guy who killed 80 kids on the island and I want to say Norway or Denmark can't remember off the top of my head. I remember that case. And he wrote this They called it a manifesto, but it wasn't. It was a compendium and it was very large document and a whole bunch of stuff jammed together And one of the problems he had Was this Kalergi plan? He said I don't want my heritage My race to be diluted the way that the European project has planned it

1:44:42 and that was at least some of the impetus for the actions he took later referenced by the Christchurch shooter. Mm-hmm He also referenced that so this is something that it's I don't think many people in United States know about it but in Europe, It is definitely something being discussed as there's huge immigration issues and And opinions all over Europe So that I think is a short version of what the Clergy plan is. So before let's play the clip and I'll discuss it post a clip so this is an excerpt from Clergy book Practical Idealism In 1925 Richard published another book entitled Practice Your Idealismus or practical idealism

1:45:32 An excerpt from Practical Idealism. Quote, The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space time and prejudice. The Eurasian Negroid is the race for the future Similar in appearance to the ancient Egyptians, they will replace the diversities of the people and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe against her will refined and educated this people will be driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process

1:46:12 Insofar as Europe is Christian, it is in a spiritual sense Jewish. Insofar Europe is moral, it is Jewish. Almost all European ethics are rooted in Jewry." All protagonists for religious or non-religious Christian morality from Augustine to Roussel to Kant to Tolstoy were Jews of choice in a spiritual sense. Nietzsche is the only Non Jew, the only European heathen moralist In the East the Chinese people are ethnically par excellence and in the West it's the Jews Strength of character paired with sharpness of mind predestines the Jews and their most excellent specimen to become leaders of urbane humanity

1:46:53 from the false to the genuine spiritual aristocrats, to the protagonist of capitalism as well as of the revolution. Now we stand at a threshold in the third epoch of new times socialism also socialism is supported by an urban class of industrial workers led by the aristocracy of revolutionary writers this development and with it chaos modern politics will only then find its end when a spiritual aristocracy seizes the means of power of society. Richard Kalergi, 1925." Oh yeah! Yeah I almost had...I had the wrong book but the right year. So how do i get to this point? And this is one of the things- I was a listener of your show but when you brought this up you hooked me because I knew about this prior to hearing it on your show

1:47:47 The reason why I found this out is, I watch commercials more than I watch television. As you can tell. Oh...I turn commercials up when they come on. Because like television- I'm not really into television if i watched television it's more of I'll watch Netflix what show I want to watch and then get on with my life but as I'm watching majorly sports or that thing because sports are one of my things. I started noticing maybe ehm..when I say four five years ago the push of racially mixed couples on television. Now I preface everything about this is you can date, you can love who you want to doesn't matter to me. I don't care my problem is social engineering when I watch these commercials like okay that's 123 and then ask my wife did you notice that? So what are you talking about if this isn't missing

1:48:47 Because I noticed everything. She's like, oh you're looking too far today You know most of the stuff i talked to her about she's like This show is going to ruin everything for you moe it's gonna ruin your relationship No this is me this isn't no It's gonna save my relationship because this is me talking to her Yeah, this show and you're just replacing her pretty So you're a godsend to her Right I said, did you see that? Did you see what are you talking about? You know she's like, you be hanging out with that white boy too much. That's what was going on with you Moe No no no no! This was pre-Noah gender for me Oh okay So i'm like watching the show and i'm like another mixed couple Yeah And then i'm like, hold on What is going on here Because most times when your selling something it's like It was a couple of same...I am from the era

1:49:44 It usually the same race. But everything became mixed-race and I'm like, what are they pushing here? This is my brain would go off. Just for a matter of record, I'm one of the guys that listened to the side effects on pharmaceutical commercials. That's another thing I pointed out like did you hear that? Sure. Listen how long it is and what she came back to me was like...I stopped saying And then she started noticing. She's like, you're right! And if she says that I had to be right. So what was your feeling although this um...you probably weren't married then about the Cosby family? Because there was very...they're all brown

1:50:30 But some of the, I mean obviously it's casting and we know but was there ever any thought about that? Oh well you know... It was racial. It was colorly balanced. The reason why say that is the two oldest children were of fairer skin And then you have Vanessa, which is the third daughter. She's of dark... No, Theo he's the boy, oldest boy. Yeah, Theo is dark. He had the next two children are darkskin and then the tie goes to the darkskin because Rudy was darkening in a brown paper bag So it was balanced? It was very balanced. But that was cautious they were consciously aware that

1:51:14 Because even his wife is lighter than him. Yes, well was that mama first or mama second because they switched you know? They pulled that fast. Oh you're talking about the Fresh Prince! I'm sorry you're right it was Fresh Prince who changed. No you are right. That caused a bunt and ohhhh. That must have been crazy. That caused a bunt and even to today people like... Yeah, so even that it was like what what so now but that was that was weird So but yeah just going back that and that's what I

1:51:50 Started me on this quest of what is going on? What are they telling me as it what are they pushing to me as a fun fact just To show you the seriousness because you know when we're saying name like Calergy and be on 1923 people like mmm, okay whatever but in 1955 he proposed Beethoven's Ode to Joy as The music for the European anthem And this is before the European Union was official. This happened, you know... European Union is the last 18 years and now it's an official union of 28 member states The national anthem of Europe is Beethoven's Ode to Joy So the guy was taken very seriously and his fingerprints are all over everything in the European Union project

1:52:42 And I would like to juxtapose him to Mr. Alan Leroy Locke, the father of the Harlem Renaissance and how his thought process is like the gospel now in the black LGBT community on a previous show. These guys when they were writing their books and pushing their agendas early, there was just too early for people to really catch on But you know it laid the groundwork for in the further things that are being done today, but I say all that to say. I don't want to be erased. I say that we're all seriousness, but I think is a real possibility Well it certainly seems like it's the push I'm not entirely sure what the benefit is to the boulay the elites or even the Illuminati and

1:53:34 Other than more control. I don't know maybe if we're all brown then Well, it's not about color Let's get that straight It's about removing culture and here's the end game in how I see it you remove culture Once you remove their culture because here's here's the problem. I'm not a mixed person but I've known a lot of mixed people and I've had conversation with them and And as we see, even with black people it's hard to fit in when you're different and be totally accepted. So I'm sure...and I would love to hear from people who want to write on this but I'm sure it's hard for them to fit anywhere so when you remove them from their removed culture from all of society You can implant the culture of corporatism

1:54:28 You're absolutely right, and I'm a little bit older than you so i'm 55 but... ...I've come to realize that it is exactly the differences or some may call them imperfections not just in skin color but background culture history all of that makes it beautiful. Yes! That's my whole point what we provide to this human experience I don't want that to be taken away Right on And neither do I. That's my whole point, me and you having this conversation it works because we come from two different perspectives and we can find commonalities in it but then also can share the differences Exactly! In the future this kind of show may not exist if we let them have their way with us because there'll be no differences to talk about We'll all just be the same drones That's what that's my fear

1:55:29 Well, Moe. I'll help you fight against that because i don't like it either That's my fear too absolutely but standing next to you i can say that You see? It's very dangerous for white men To say these kinds of things these days and that's just society It's just as dangerous for me to say it I will say that because we're expected... I know we gotta wrap but it's an expectation For you not to be expecting from society It's even more pressure for me to be accepting because they're like, oh it's the same thing as being this or the same thing as being black. Or this is the same thing of being black Yeah now you know saying like it's not everything we have We have to be accepting of everything so that's why I said we're coming from The same parallel on two different you're saying uh on all in all From two different directions well ultimately were just two American dudes

1:56:28 Chatting it up a bit and coming with all our differences And that's what I love so much about it, and and I and you know for someone who didn't graduate college. I love learning on a Monday All right this will have to wrap it up We've gone little long but men well worth it, and I love I just love what you put together for us today most fantastic I'm glad you appreciate it. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. We look forward to your feedback if you would like to support the show go to mofax.com Donations are of course welcome It's a value for value system no ads No corporate money just whatever you thought the show was a value to you we'll see you next week everybody take care We people Who were darker than blue

1:57:19 Are we gonna stand around this town and let what others say come true? We're just good for nothing, they all figure A boy's grown up shiftless jigger Now we can't hardly stand for that Or is that really worth it For the sister and mother It's even better yet But there's the joker in the street Loving one brother and killing the other When the time comes and we are really free There'll be no brothers left, you see We people who were in blue

1:58:14 Don't let us hang around this town And let whatever's said come true We're just good for nothing, they all fear ya A boy scrone of shipless jig Now we can hardly stand for that Or is that really where it's at? Pardon me brother While you stand in your grave I know you won't mind if i tell the whole story Pardon me brother, I know we've come a long long way But let us not be so satisfied For tomorrow can be an even brighter day