45: 45 Savage

00:02 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for August 1st, 2020. This is episode number 45. Hello Mo, how you doing? I'm doing well Adam, how about yourself? Yeah, doing real good. I am so proud of us. Here we are Saturday doing another show. It will drop on time, can you believe it? I can't actually. I'm in a groove. I'm in my routine. So I'm a routine person. So here we are. Very good. This is a value for value show, which means you will not be interrupted by corporate messages or any commercials. Later on, I'll be thanking the actual executive and associate executive producers and the rest of the producers who have supported the show.

00:44 And you're along for the ride, no matter what way you're looking at it. It's Value for Value. We hope to bring you some. And, uh, well, can we get straight into the topic or what else we got to do? I have nothing to do but you do. Here we go. We're gonna roll it up for number 45, Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Let's find out what the topic is. This is the big wheel of topics, where it stops, nobody knows. Of course, no one knows. Mo knows. And the topic for episode 45 will be 45 Savage is the actual term. 45 Savage, which I learned on the last show that this is now the official MOFAX name for the 45th president. Yes, Mr. Donald J. Trump. It's only appropriate that we talk about him one year later.

01:41 if people are not in the know. Yes, we say, you know, I forgot to say, although I did text you yesterday on the 31st, you know, happy first anniversary. That's, you know, what an achievement. We've done quite well. Think we did pretty good. And it's these numbers man 45 lines out one in one year that is and And it brings us back around because I don't think if it was for 45 savage this show might not exist The impossible the 45 savage definitely made some things discussable. That's for sure. And by the way After the after the last show I did register 45 savage calm. Did you see that? I

02:21 No, I didn't know that but that's... If you type in 45savage.com you go right to MoFax. Nice. Yeah. So I can maybe redirect it to this episode depending I guess we're gonna talk about 45. What are we gonna do? We're gonna start with where we picked up last episode with 44 and then we'll see The beef between 44 and 45. Okay, I'm loving it. All right, let's jump into number two then. Roger Stone was a longtime political advisor to Trump. He has since been convicted of lying to Congress. Trump understands among Republicans, there's a very substantial majority who have questions about Obama's origins and how he just pops up out of nowhere to become a national figure and whether he was in fact eligible to serve as president.

03:23 We thought that Trump needed an issue that resonates with people. The birth certificate meant a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Overall, it talked about how Obama was different. He was a different kind of person. He was a Manchurian-type candidate. Ah, now we're getting into the really good stuff. Yes, the true origins of the birtherism conspiracy. I like it. Yeah, and I want to say this, this could be perceived as probably the most racist thing Donald Trump has done or could do. But we're going to talk about the motive in this show, and if it was really expected to be racist or... We're going to see the reasoning behind this, but I want to say as a so-called black person,

04:18 This was probably, you know, just the perception of it that somebody wins and then you try to disqualify them. Right. The narrative behind that is what really landed wrong and probably makes a lot of so-called black people not like Donald Trump to this day. Because they've been told that this was a Trump invention and obviously he went after it, that's for sure. That was his main deal. We both know and I'm sure a lot of our producers know that this was a Democratic invention but yes as Roger Stone said in the clip, he's the one that brought it to the you know, the mainstream media and You know became the face of the birth of the movement, but I just want to set up This is where the real beef started between Obama and Trump this was this this was the

05:12 This is the whole thing between them and you know, saying, you know, in a ball of wax. So it is the ball of wax. Definitely. Yeah. That's why I didn't cover it last show because this is transition of power. You got these two forces pulling in opposite directions on one side you have, uh, and we laid out Marxist forces pulling on a 44 and then you have an ultra conservative, um, Not Trump himself, I don't see him as being ultra conservative, but he's been enlisted. Oh yeah, by a group of people that are very ultra conservative, absolutely. Right, so we have to investigate this transition from 44 to 45, so I think this is a good point, so I guess we can get in 1.2.

06:01 They released the person. Trump was thinking of running against Obama in 2012. It doesn't matter whether I have doubts or not. Please welcome my friend, Donald Trump. He made himself the face of the birther movement. Why doesn't he show his birth certificate? I think he probably... Why should I have to? Because I have to and everybody else has to. Why wouldn't he show his birth certificate? Excuse me. No, excuse me. I really believe there's a birth certificate. Why... Look, she's smiling. Why doesn't he show his birth certificate? Because I've never heard anything... Why would any white president ask to be shown the birth certificate?

06:39 You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. He may not have been born in this country. That was the racist manifestation of resistance to the president. Donald Trump was at the forefront of it. I think it rankled President Obama because the birther stuff was just a pure racism slash xenophobia and it was based in nothing. More than 40% of the population still question whether he's actually an American or not. Obama had already released his birth certificate during the presidential campaign, but the issue wouldn't go away. Obama was furious. It wasn't Trump. It was the media.

07:18 If Trump couldn't get booked on all those shows, he'd just be some another whack job tweeting about conspiracy theories and maybe getting booked on Fox. He's a... Donald Trump is a creation of the American political news media. Let me ask you a question, Mo. Yes. When this came up, and I'm sure you were aware of it, I'm sure in 2012 you were hearing about it. Yeah, yeah. Was there any feeling of irony that, okay, here's a guy going after a legal matter which is deemed to be racist. I don't think he ever said, hey, this black man can't be a true American, but at the same time,

08:00 Even by the data that we were given, he's not ADOS. Was there that feeling of irony at that time? For for me. Yeah for you Yes, but you have to rewind and look at it through the lens though People really didn't look at Barack Obama as not being a toss right? I mean that he was kind of you know grafted in And we talked about that on the last show right? Like I said, the real problem is you had a it's like a boxing match, right? Yeah, you got And then it's like all he's you know, you know, um

08:39 There's talk of using performance enhancing drugs or was he dirty? So that's what right that's what really rub black people the wrong way because you try to disqualify Obama and that's why I said this is this is a non-starter to even discuss this but it's plays an important part and what we're gonna discuss later of this is for lack of a better word, match that was set up by the media. As you heard in the last clip. Exactly. I will say this, Trump wanted no parts of Obama in 2012. He knew he couldn't beat Obama. He could say that, oh yeah, I would think about running or, you know, he knew he couldn't beat Obama. He was smart enough not to, not to pursue it, but to set himself up, obviously. Yep.

09:29 He was setting himself up because he knew Hillary was next he knew she was a weak candidate So it was like a proxy war right? I'm gonna have war on Obama to set up for 2016 yes, and this was to me. It's always been a very intentional move so absolutely yeah, and it's one of the things Donald Trump is always great at that is He'll pick out a topic to talk about That way he can come back and slam you later, and we see this with Kaylee right I mean pick out these certain these certain topics where you when it gets to the mainstream It's like but what about this if you know point to some evidence? But this one so to reach the audience just to be clear mm-hmm the searching for the birth certificate was only deemed racist and

10:19 because of the color of Obama's skin. Correct. That to me is what's so interesting. He never said, I gotta check this guy because of the color of his skin. He had a weird story, which was the problem, but it was immediately by the media countered as racist. And I think that's at the time. Yeah, because race sells. I mean, the media saw as we can pit a white man against a black man, they're very powerful and it'll be great for ratings. That's why they gave Trump all the air. It wasn't just Fox News. No, no, it was everybody. It was CBS, ABC, NBC. Everybody was in on it because they were like, this is a sensational story to cover just for sheer ratings. And just as a little bit of backstory, maybe you'll come back to that, but the actual rumor that started with the Democrats was started by

11:15 Hillary Clinton's campaign managers at the time, they started it. I'm sorry, goggles or is it okay for me to say that? No, no, no, no, no. I mean, it's perfectly okay for you to say that because that is the truth, but it's one thing about doing the work is you're going to realize certain conversations are not even worth having. Right. Because they're going to derail. Exactly. So saying that is not worth it, but it's good information for people to have. No, it's good information for you to have but it's if you're trying to work past something that's not it's like you know What it's not even worse not a start You're not gonna take Obama out of office then I mean nobody's gonna walk into the White House like you don't belong here because the birth certificate so it was a non startup, but I will say this it was used by both sides as you're gonna hear in the next two clips and

12:06 for their purpose. One with Trump he was setting up for 2016 and Obama well let's just listen to 3.1 to see how Obama used it. Obama reluctantly released more proof of his citizenship Now, as many of you have been briefed, we provided additional information today about the site of my birth. This thing just kept on going. Yes, in fact, I was born in Hawaii, August 4th, 1961, in Kapiolani Hospital. We've posted the certification that is given by the state of Hawaii. Three days later, it was time for payback.

12:51 The president uses the White House Correspondents' Dinner that year with Donald Trump in the room to completely ridicule Donald Trump in front of this audience that, you know, that, you know, journalists and lobbyists and government officials and people who at that time Trump wanted to have the respect of. All right, everybody, please have a seat. Donald Trump. is here tonight, no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the Donald. And that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. Like, did we fake the moon landing? And the fact that that was done at the Washington

13:50 correspondence dinner was dynamite because the footage belonged to everybody and everybody was in the room. It was, it was, it was, and it was Obama obliterated him. He did and it was set up perfectly because here's Trump under a spotlight it seemed like. It was coming down on him and Obama's behind you know the on his own stage behind the mic and he's just grilling Trump and then you see this look on Trump's face like I've never been talked to before like this and not can't lash out right? And by the way you could fill in the blank like

14:32 here's the thought bubble some people saw I've never been talked to like that especially not by a black man I mean you can see people think that was the beautiful that was the extent of like how people spun it and that may be even be his case but I don't think a Donald Trump will let anybody that's why I didn't make the race distinction I don't think Donald Trump would let anybody talk to him Like that because it just his personality makeup, which we're gonna look into deeper as we did with arm Barack Obama on 44. Yeah, but what we have to do is we have to look at this now. This is just my

15:08 conspiracy theory, I think this whole birther thing was a limited hangout for somebody to latch on to, be it the Republicans, and then be made look like fools. Because if we say what we laid out in last show, Barack Obama coming from the intelligence apparatus, being a product of George Poppy Bush, he could have had a perfectly legit birth certificate if they wanted him to have one. But they throw out first of all, first of all, they throw out this short. I never heard of a short for a short for a birth certificate. Yeah, that was kind of I don't even know what that is. And it was kind of it was kind of insulting. Really? It wasn't really any proof of anything. Right. But then you you lay that out there as like bait for people to look into. And then it's like, yeah, I like this concept. So what if

16:05 Since it originated in the Hillary campaign, that was the limited hangout. That could have been bait. Maybe she was also thinking ahead to 2016. Oh no, but maybe she... Maybe they were expecting her to take the bait, but she didn't because she's savvy with the intelligence agency. That's my... Let me just complete my... Because they had it all teed up, but they know how it would land. She's like, I've been around black people long enough. to know this is not gonna work. It's not a good idea, right. But Trump coming along he needs to make a splash so it's like okay I'll take the heat. Maybe even he believed it. I mean I'm not saying he didn't believe it but even if he didn't believe it it's like this allow me to make a splash with the constituents that I want to make a splash with. And the media being complicit they'll help me.

16:56 Right, but I don't think he planned for what he got on that night with Obama. That was and they had that profile shot of him and it was just it was a beautiful shot. You could just see his hair. Kind of melting a little fire. It was like a fire. It was on fire. You're right. It was on fire That was beautiful. I don't think Obama realized what the consequences were going to be for poking No, poking the bear a billion dollar bear right because billionaires have a sense of some I'm not gonna say all but cuz but they have a sense of I'll crush my competition. Yes, and certainly and

17:36 Let's just let, what we stop at 3.1? Let's go into 3.2 to explain that concept. You Mr. Trump recognized that the real problem was a lack of leadership and so ultimately you didn't blame Little John or Meatloaf. You fired Gary Busey. And these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night. Well handled, sir. Well handled. But it just kept going and going and he just kept hammering him. And I thought, oh, Barack Obama is starting something that I don't know if he'll be able to finish. Say what you will about Mr. Trump, he certainly would bring some change to the White House. Let's see what we've got up there. I think that is the night that he resolves to run for president. I think that he is kind of motivated by it.

18:44 Maybe I'll just run. Maybe I'll show them all. Every critic, every detractor will have to bow down to President Trump. It's everyone who's ever doubted Donald, whoever disagreed, whoever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe. Yeah, a big F-U. Huge. Yeah. Okay, and I think that you now we have to start looking at Trump is a very sensitive person and not in the nice term, but he'd highly Anything you say to him? He has to fire back ten times harder And I think this lit the fire under him to really I think he was always gonna run at 2016 maybe he had a ran and you know got a few percentage points, but

19:44 When he had what he thinks his so-called peers laughing at him, and his detractors laughing at him in a room, and you have this guy up here just beating the hell out of you with the microphone, I think this is what Really made him take the 2016 campaign serious and at this point in his in his own personal career he had quite a lot of audience understanding under his belt with With the TV show Yeah, the apprentice. Yeah, I mean he really he really understood how audiences respond and how it works with the marketing of the show and he understands he understood television very very well and

20:34 And it's one brand of television that he understood very well. That's just a little teaser where we're going in the show. But before we get there, we have to look at the personality of Donald Trump and ask the question, is he a narcissist? Donald Trump's narrative is that he's a self-made Superman who's smarter and better educated than everybody else. But a new book from his own niece suggests what everyone but his base has already figured out. He's a fraud. I have no problem calling Donald a narcissist. He meets all nine criteria as outlined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. But the label gets us only so far. Mary Trump also portrays her uncle as a traumatized rich kid with daddy issues, calling him a clinical narcissist.

21:22 It's always so nice to see television hosts doing psychological analysis with the DSM-IV manual next to them. Well, if they can do it, we can do it. Oh yes, indeed, we can. Okay, let's analyze it. I want to say this. I think this is the real... I'm going to say this before we get into the non-signs of narcissism.

22:09 I think this is the IST, that's the I-S-T, that we really should be paying attention to. Not the other IST that's labeled, that Trump hit label with. Oh, the R-IST versus the N, the narcissist. Yes, which you can't spell racist. I mean, you can't spell narcissism without racist in a weird way. Oh, I like that. Very narcissistic. Okay. Yes. No, but I think that trumps because if no pun intended there, but I think it trumps the racism because we'll start to look at if you're self-serving, you'll step on anybody to get what you want. Yes. And I think that's what's misconstrued about Mr. Donald J. Trump.

22:54 Um, and as she said in that, um, one more thing before we get into the little game, we're going to play. They said Trump had daddy issues. So this is one of those things where I am what you I say you are yes projection total projection because it's the thought is that Feminists and people that don't like the patriarchy have daddy issues so now they flip this thing right it back around and saying Trump is a very fragile person and Because of weight the way his dad brought him up So now we have daddy's issues being we talked about daddy issues last show. Yes with the dad not being there right now We have the domineering father the abusive

23:39 And I want people to understand this is why we talk about the patriarchy and why a healthy father-son child relationship is so important. Yes, because if it's non-existent or if it's abusive or toxic, yeah, and this is not some discovery we've made by the way. No, no, it's not. It's just that we just reinforced that with the characters that they play out in our everyday lives in the media. So with that said, would you like to play Signs of a Narcissist? Yes, okay, so I guess how this works is we listen to a clue then we decide if it's correct or not. Is that the idea? Yes, we go down to nine signs that

24:23 Ms. Reed alluded to in the DSM. And you tell me if it's true or not true. Alright, here we go. Running it down. We start with sign number one. The signature characteristics of many personality disorders can be quite unpleasant, such as the case of narcissistic personality disorder. Interacting with an MPD sufferer can be confusing, frustrating, and even hurtful. The MPD individual will often overlook or ignore many of these traits that make them unlikable. Here are nine signs which may be a result of narcissism. One, instead of listening, they're wrapped up in their own opinion. Instead of listening, they're wrapped up in their own opinion. What do you think? Well, I've seen the president in

25:23 When he does like a listening session with people and he'll bring in either companies or individuals, whenever I see him in a big... Now it's usually when he's either about to announce something or wants to announce something. And he does seem to listen, but that's only in those cases. So I don't know. Do you have a... What do you think? I think you're exactly right. It depends on his setting and we noticed this with Trump, depending on his audience, we get a different reaction. So I would say that's true, but not, there's some leeway there. Okay. Depending on his audience. So we get a- That's true. And we get a- This is all wrong. A little bit all wrong.

26:12 Yes, okay. All right. All right. You know what? I'll let you control the signs and we'll just keep rolling. Okay. All right. Here we go with number two. Two. They tend to cheat in relationships. Narcissists feel their treasures that are too good for anyone. Bring this attitude into a relationship and you have lightning waiting to strike. Cheating is often a way for narcissists to build their ego. That's wrong. I think that that in general I think he's very loyal to people. Yes, he's had multiple marriages, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a serial cheater. Wow, I think we're all...

27:00 I think we see Trump through two different prisms. Or we're looking at two different people. Well, yeah, obviously. So... Depends on where you see him. But yeah, of course, if I... at face value, yes, he's cheated on He's cheated on at least one wife that we know of. We don't know why he broke up with other ones. And when I say relationships, I'm not talking about just romantic relationships. Right, but I'm... I'm talking about business relationships. You know, you hear the stories about him and contractors. It's like, sue me. So I think that's very true. Yes, you're right. I'm going to give you a... That's true! I'm going to give you a that's true for that one. Okay. All right. Yeah, I'm in on that.

27:46 Let's go to number three. Three, they constantly need to be admired. If you've seen a narcissist, maybe you've seen that they almost swagger, oozing conceit and arrogance with every breath. They may look like they possess tremendous confidence, but it's not enough. They need constant admiration. The delusion of always being entitled to admiration is why people around them often find themselves emotionally drained. To them, there's no greater rush than being put on a pedestal and worshipped by their fans and followers. It's true! That's true. It's true! That's a triple true. No argument on that one. Triple true. Triple true. I think we agree on that. I would say one thing though, they said that the people around them become emotionally drained. I think that's what they call the Trump derangement syndrome.

28:41 that people become just so drained by his personality that it has a negative effect on them. Yeah, I think that's the number one bad trait he has. Even people who like him or are interested in hearing his policy get really tired of his personality. Some people. I think some people like the fact that he's a troll. Yes, but I think that's a smaller number than people who are just like, okay, I don't want to listen to it. Okay, Michael Moore. I don't want to talk a lot between these clips, but Michael Moore said one thing. He said he predicted Trump would win because he said the regular man would see Trump as a big F you to the establishment. For sure.

29:31 For sure. So that's that's that's where I'm coming at with my own. Okay, my angle so continue on. Four. They do not take any criticism well. Have you ever commented on something someone said and they lashed out at you? Maybe the reaction was more hostile than expected. They think they're superior to others around them and believe themselves to be infallible. They react poorly, maybe yelling, throwing a tantrum, or with another unreasonable response when they perceive what you've said might be criticism. Yep, I got that one. Okay. It's not looking too good for him. No, he's looking pretty NPD-ish. Let's go to five. Five. They exploit others without guilt or shame. Narcissism and empathy don't go hand in hand. Narcissists are unwilling to see the world from the perspective of others. As a result, they're able to exploit others without any feeling of remorse.

30:34 They can manipulate people to fulfill their own needs without regard for the consequences that their actions may have on others. It's true! It's true! Definitely true. Definitely true. Anything you'd like to add or you want to continue on? No, we can go to six. Six. They belittle others. The narcissist thinks they're the best and brightest, so seeing proof that dictates otherwise, like someone who is more talented than they are at a particular activity, is a rude shock.

31:10 The response is to make sure that the person is below them where the narcissist feels most others belong They try to be dismissive about the other person to show that they don't really even care about them And if that doesn't work, they resort to personal attacks I think that's birtherism in a nutshell. Yeah, pretty much pretty much Okay, on to seven. Seven. Yes. They see themselves as more attractive than they really are.

31:47 Despite the fact that everyone should feel attractive, there's a fine line between a healthy self-image and being delusional. This line is often crossed by narcissists who believe that they are exceptionally attractive regardless of having any imperfections. The narcissist uses this perceived superior attractiveness to justify to themselves why they're too good for everyone. Oh man. That's true! This is not looking good for 45 Savage right now. Let's go to number eight. Eight. They gaslight those who are dear to them. It's true! Have you ever noticed feeling that you can't remember anything correctly around a specific person? When you're with that person, do you feel a little like you've lost your mind? That's due to gaslighting, a tactic narcissists use in order to manipulate and gain power and control over those around them.

32:45 Gaslighting is frightening because it's insidious. The manipulation is lengthy and gradual, so the victim doesn't notice it happening. Let's ask the ladies. That's true. Yeah, they know exactly what's going on. All right, well, number nine then. It's the last on the list. Nine. They put some people on pedestals. It's true! Our last sign seems oddly contradictory to the other signs, but it is very logical and here's why. Narcissists believe that they have to have perfection in everything, including people they associate with.

33:24 A narcissist will often cozy up to someone higher in status, believing that their perfection will somewhat rub onto them. Oh man, okay. What did we get? We got, I think we got seven definites. We got one split vote and pretty much all true. Okay. Gee, sounds like he's a narcissist, Mo. And I'm not a doctor, you're not a doctor, but maybe Miss Maureen Dowd could chime in on this since she can speak on the classical clinical narcissists.

34:03 Is that a weakness, though, that a lot of politicians have? That they like the people who like them and dislike the people who dislike them? Yes. Trump is just a very extreme version of other narcissistic Pauls. He's a classic clinical narcissist, so he's missing empathy. has no ability to take a punch. You know, if anyone criticizes him, he can't let it go. He's like a dog with a bone, like with Miss Universe or earlier with Megyn Kelly. So he's just a much more extreme version of the typical garden variety form of narcissism you see in DC with politicians all the time.

34:47 Yeah, okay, but I think that's how he won in business. I'm quite sure of it. Yes He's a correction of himself and we're gonna talk about that a little later but as she said in here all Politicians are most politicians are narcissists sure and we see some of the biggest Resistance for lack of better word that we've seen for Donald Trump has been the media personalities with the biggest personalities say Don Lemon say uh, right White House. Yes, everybody. So they're they're rubbed the wrong way by his narcissism But it only exposes their nurse. There's narcissistic behavior as well. So I mean it's it's it's a beautiful mechanism strange phenomenon that

35:39 He exposes them by being who he truly is, but he's only truly himself half the time. Right. Exactly. So Andrew Searle and Aakash Singh, they have a podcast together and they discuss, is Donald Trump a racist? Off the gut, there's no facts to back this up whatsoever. But I think this is what Trump is when it comes to race. I think Trump is, and maybe purposefully so, ignorant to the minority experience in America. And because he is, he doesn't have the same level of empathy or compassion that someone who has watched maybe their black friend get harassed by the cops or these types of things. So, his mind

36:40 He's like no, I just treat everybody equal like remember back in the day when I was partying with all the rappers and everybody thought I was cool Yeah, I just treated them like regular guys and I think the rappers and stuff back in the day We're all like yeah, he's just some rich dude, but he just treats you regular He don't even fucking care and I think they were kind of seduced by that But they never had conversation with Trump about like empowerment in these neighborhoods and that kind of stuff like that So he I don't know if he's hateful of minorities. I do not think that he's empathetic Interesting one of the signs yeah, yeah lack of empathy yeah No, I'm sorry. I think Andrew is speaking to more of him being a narcissist as well that he's just oblivious

37:22 to other people's feelings. It's just my way or the highway. Pretty much. We just understand, take a little time, and this is where I talk about sometimes on the show the seven habits of highly effective people. Yes. And one of those is seek first to understand, then to be understood. And this is why Donald Trump became a fascinating character to me, because I sought to understand where he's coming from. And it's depending upon who he's talking to, he'll change his facts. He's not tied to ideology, right? It's all about what's best for pushing forward whatever- Whatever he wants to achieve. Yes, whatever he wants to achieve. And I think, as you pointed out prior, that that did make him a successful businessman because he's not tied to one method of business.

38:19 Does this work? No, okay. Let's go get some more experts and that's where you see him constantly Cashing out people if even in his cabinet, it's like all these are the smartest people and he brings them on there They're dumb kick him out and it's like bring some more smart people in six months later. They're dumb. Yeah, and it's just this constant With very evolution very much like The Apprentice actually. Oh Yeah, and I think that's the business model that he accepted and I think that just feeds out of um You can answer this question for me. Um, his brother his sister's a judge right and his brother, um I think drank himself you're saying into his own demise. Yeah, does he have any other any other siblings? I'm uh, I'm a little yes, I think he has uh I think he has another brother

39:13 And I think he's highly successful as well. I believe so. Yeah. So I think Trump became successful, but in the way he knew how. And that's, you know, that's being Donald Trump. He's like, I'm going to be the best at being Donald Trump. And that's going to carry me all the way. So I got a second clip from the same podcast, and they talk about the brand of Donald Trump. I actually think he's a marketing genius. But take that in and let's address that. What do you guys think about... I don't think... I think maybe but he also doesn't care. I think he is... Doesn't care is lack of empathy. No, but like I think yeah, he's just looking at it as the main thing to me is like I know how to win. I know how to market myself as a winner. Remove win. Like talk about the man. Like not about winning the election. Like truly like... Remember it really... The light bulb went off for me when he said to black people he's like, what do you got to lose?

40:13 Just come to the, like that was his pitch to black people. His pitch to black people was like, we're going to help you. We're going to figure out, I understand what you go through. I understand the tough things about this systemic racism that you've experienced has created these environment. Literally the thing was, Yeah, it sucks! Just try it! He grew up with three siblings. Okay. No, three elder siblings, Mary Ann, Fred Jr., Elizabeth, and one younger brother, Robert. And so Fred Jr. is no longer there, but Robert is. But yes, I'm sure that put a lot of pressure on him Fred jr. The way he turned out and I think that's where he wanted to please his father So I mean there is some sure it makes sense validity there how because we have to talk about these know how the Raising of these people shape who they are. Mm-hmm and Donald Trump figured out I can be the best at being me And that's all I need to do and it'll get me a long way through life and it certainly has

41:15 It definitely has, but it rubs people the wrong way because you gotta look at who his Peers are now in the circles he's in. They're very highly educated. They, you know, cross the T's and dot every I. And it's like, how'd this guy get to the same place? Or a lot of these politicians and news reporters had dreams of being president. You know, they just kind of got derailed along the way, but then that even rubs them even more like, how did this clown- How did he do it? How does that work? I bet he's not even a billionaire. Let's go prove it. Yep, so I think we're gonna we're gonna get back to those comments that he made to those so-called black community But we need to lay out some things first and first of all, we need to figure out how Donald Trump created Donald Trump

42:04 Before he was a presidential candidate. I've been saying for years, keep the oil, keep the oil, don't let them have the oil. Before he was a reality TV star. You're fired. Donald Trump was a New York tabloid fixture. All through the 1980s, Trump was busy building something new, and it wasn't a skyscraper. Billionaire developer Donald Trump has put his name on a New York City hotel, shopping center and apartment buildings, as well as a casino in Atlantic City. And now he's going to put his name on a big piece of Eastern Airlines. Trump was creating a public persona, one that could be both funny and demeaning, arrogant and somehow in touch with the common man. I sort of love and hate him at the same time. I mean, I think he has a monumental ego. He comes off as being very... what's the word I'm looking for? Arrogant? Yeah, he's arrogant.

42:55 I like him. He's got a name. He's got everything. He often did this by picking fights. He said, I think Donald Trump is an artful liar. I think he is a greedy, vicious and arrogant man. I don't know if that's supposed to be a compliment or not. I'm not sure. He waged a years-long battle with New York City Mayor Ed Koch. I hope that New York City has a different mayor at some point because I think Ed Koch is a total disaster. He's a very bad mayor for the city. He helped launch a competitor to the NFL called the U.S. Football League. and then launched a lawsuit against the NFL when the USFL failed. The jury in the case delivered its verdict. It ruled the NFL did indeed monopolize pro football, but it awarded damages of just $1.

43:47 It's ongoing and it's like okay if you notice, you know Father son of a bitch, you know that kind of thing and then it's now he's like now that the NFL has because the NFL wasn't Taking action against Colin Kaepernick and now he came back was like, oh, you know, I think Colin Kaepernick deserves another chance It's like whatever the cause chaos Gaslighting right there That's fantastic. Yeah, exactly. So we're saying he's not tied to anything And if you understand that about him, then you understand him greater and I guess for everybody Everyone has a little bit of narcissism in them. It kind of shows it makes you feel like oh my god, that's so ugly and

44:34 But in your subconscious, like, gosh, I'm kind of like that. You're projecting your own ugliness when you recognize it almost. It's odd. And the demographics that hate him the most... The young millennials are the most narcissistic. So that's the weirdest thing. Everything they do is vain. It's like, look at me. Look at me, look at my selfie, like my post. Woo! Yeah, look at me eat. Look at me, you know, do this. Best life ever. Yeah, living my best life ever. Right. But then they have to stay for him. But it's this weird...

45:14 I always said the best thing that ever happened with Donald Trump getting elected because he kind of pulled back the veil on everything. Now we have to, all the behaviors that he does that we all still do, it points out people as hypocrites. And one of the things I don't want to do, that's why I don't have a seated hatred for Donald Trump. One, I don't have that for any person, but if I hold him accountable for something, then I have to hold myself accountable for it. But I think a lot of people don't do that and that's why they can easily hate Trump, but live with themselves. Moe, are you secretly a psychologist? Do you have a degree? Do you have a medical license? I think you've been holding back on that. I have a mom that's a therapist. That'll do it. She screwed up her kid well. Good job, mom.

46:09 Let's see, so we stopped off with, I foreshadowed that there was one industry that had the hugest impact on Donald Trump. Everybody wants to say, oh it was Facebook, it was the Russians, it was this, it was that why he won the election, the data collection that he did. No. Donald Trump had one tactic And that was to basically turn the presidential race of 2016 into a wrestling match. Before he was president, Donald Trump was once part of a world that celebrated body slams, obnoxious taunts, I'm taller than you. I'm better looking than you.

46:48 and men in spandex costumes. It's called WrestleMania, and during the 2000s, Trump found himself center stage, playing a character named, of course, Donald Trump. In 2007, he appeared at a series of pro wrestling events, playing a rival to Vince McMahon, who was chairman of World Wrestling Entertainment, also known as the WWE. WrestleMania fights are scripted, and the climax of their so-called rivalry is an episode where Trump shaved McMahon's head. Trump also hosted WrestleMania events at Trump Plaza in Atlantic City in the 80s. Recently, he picked McMahon's wife, Linda, to lead the Small Business Administration. Now, he's making the presidency his wrestling ring. On Sunday, he tweeted a doctored clip from his 2007 bout, showing him wrestling with CNN. CNN condemned the tweet, saying, it is a sad day when the President of the United States encourages violence against reporters.

47:46 It's so clear now when you think of it in these terms. This is great. This is very exciting Moe. I have a new look on the situation. Although very familiar things, it all feels familiar. His whole approach was a wrestling approach. The cities that he stopped at, the arenas that he used. I mean, McMahon gave him the whole blueprint of like, here, because in wrestling... Here's your stage on song. You know, when you come out to, here's the one you leave to, here's the shit you do for your victory. The scowl when he comes out, you know, he gets it. Your signature phrase, your signature thumbs. Oh yeah.

48:29 Incredible and I think he took this blueprint of how do I reach everyday men? Oh, well everyday men in the places that he want to reach like pro wrestling. So what did he give them? Not the hell out of them all pay for I mean like that was That was a can you smell what the Rock is cooking kind of thing or you know, it's not called Steve Austin Yeah, it has everything except the in this raucous. I mean, that's what the word is attached to these rallies It's raucous because it gets the people going but you ever watched Wrestling is very visceral. It's it's raucous, but yet it's completely safe for a family outing. I

49:12 Michael WWE match. Exactly. It's like you can bring the kids, you can bring the wife, you can bring everybody, you can all hang out. Y'all can yell and cuss and do whatever you want to. Boo! We hate you! He gives them that you have everything except for the match, right? Because it's like it's called the promo he's come in his rallies is the pro is actually a term in wrestling and I identified this because growing up I'm gonna say this about us little inside baseball. There's a high percentage of black people that enjoy rest wrestling and and

50:02 that demographic yeah, oh the demographic yeah, if you know his stops It's the same stops where WWE would stop using this same exact The same for the same format the same venue in places. Oh my goodness. I did not know this this is great We figured out his strategy his plan Yeah, and we're going to even more expose it a little bit more, but let's get into the second wrestling clip. Producers and others who worked in and follow pro wrestling told the Associated Press that Trump's blunt communication style is similar to his win at all costs wrestling character. Your great prince are no match for my Trump towers. Like pro wrestlers, he uses catchphrases and attaches insults to rivals names. Crooked Hillary Clinton campaign.

50:58 They see echoes of pro wrestling in Trump's appearances too. His backlit slow walk at the Republican convention. His tiger-like pacing on stage behind Hillary Clinton during a presidential debate. One former event producer said Trump employed a classic tactic at a news conference when he ordered CNN reporter Jim Acosta to be quiet. Taking a page from what many think of as the fake sport of pro wrestling, Trump lashed out. You are fake news. Sir, can you stay categorically that nobody... You know and so many so many times we've talked about or yeah, I know I've talked about Trump is like a WWE wrestling match But when you really lay it all out and you break down the elements of pro wrestling I mean we can almost predict every single thing that's gonna happen next now not necessarily the outcome He doesn't control all this all of the script but man He knows he knows what the audience wants as long as he can create that one next

51:55 Media events to carry them through to the to the one after that. He plays everybody like a fiddle and not only Not only wrestling but he grew he was very close with boxing as well and boxing has the same aspect of you You have only have one fight right fight night, but you have to build it up over a matter of three months six months Yeah, that way you get people engaged and want to say I'm gonna spend this $75 So This is what I witnessed and it really clicked with me. I mean, I noticed it, but it really clicked with me when he came to Leesburg right before the 2016 election. And the people stayed until two o'clock in the morning for him to show up because he was running late. And it's like, wow, this is amazing that he would, these people, they really want their show.

52:51 They're there for the show. It's not about politics or policy or none of that crap. It's about we got our guy that talks the biggest crap and you know he's the biggest baddest crap talker and I'm gonna say this and I might get killed for it but I honestly believe one of the things so-called black people have a problem with is Obama wasn't that for us. That he wouldn't just go to the mat for lack of a better term, but just lay it out there. I'm for my people. Screw y'all, that kind of thing. And we see it followed up behind him. It's like, wow, why don't we have that? Why didn't he ride for us the way that Trump rides for his base? Could you give an example of how he would ride? I mean, what would the TV show equivalent of Obama's format be? What could he have done that was unique?

53:41 So say for instance, I mean just being vocal for your bass. That's the thing like with Trayvon Martin or these other things he was kind of like well we'll have to wait and see you know that kind of thing like Trump he's out there. Oh we're gonna get to the bottom of it you know. Very fine people. That kind of thing, like, it's the vocalness of it. It's not... It's not even... Yeah, it's just the fact that we... We didn't know you could play that way. It's like, we didn't know you could play president, like, by those rules. Yeah. Like, we got screwed for eight years. I mean, just out of the... you know, out of the, you know, the... Just having somebody to, you know, get that voter for you. Like, where was the black version of this guy is what you're thinking? Right. Yeah, I gotcha. Because we were always told we got you got to build a coalition, you got to have the greater coalition. This guy's like, I'm for my 40 percent and whatever they want, my 40 percent gets. So that kind of thing, it's like, we

54:36 we we missed out on that i think that's i think that's a real sentiment in in in the with obama uh... soviet with obama now here this is triple h and he makes a statement that trump may think that wrestling israel yeah sure how worried were you we thought this was man was dead Oh man, I was scared to death. If I hadn't seen them pre-taping where he got in and out of the car... Of course you're talking about the windmill explosion. We saw that. What kills me is so many people... I mean, the office the next day, like people, I'm not kidding you, like, and they'll probably be mad at me for saying this, but like Trump called and was like, did something happen to Vince?

53:41 So say for instance, I mean just being vocal for your bass. That's the thing like with Trayvon Martin or these other things he was kind of like well we'll have to wait and see you know that kind of thing like Trump he's out there. Oh we're gonna get to the bottom of it you know. Very fine people. That kind of thing, like, it's the vocalness of it. It's not... It's not even... Yeah, it's just the fact that we... We didn't know you could play that way. It's like, we didn't know you could play president, like, by those rules. Yeah. Like, we got screwed for eight years. I mean, just out of the... you know, out of the, you know, the... Just having somebody to, you know, get that voter for you. Like, where was the black version of this guy is what you're thinking? Right. Yeah, I gotcha. Because we were always told we got you got to build a coalition, you got to have the greater coalition. This guy's like, I'm for my 40 percent and whatever they want, my 40 percent gets. So that kind of thing, it's like, we

54:36 we we missed out on that i think that's i think that's a real sentiment in in in the with obama uh... soviet with obama now here this is triple h and he makes a statement that trump may think that wrestling israel yeah sure how worried were you we thought this was man was dead Oh man, I was scared to death. If I hadn't seen them pre-taping where he got in and out of the car... Of course you're talking about the windmill explosion. We saw that. What kills me is so many people... I mean, the office the next day, like people, I'm not kidding you, like, and they'll probably be mad at me for saying this, but like Trump called and was like, did something happen to Vince?

55:25 Alright, so this is something I wasn't aware of what happened with this this man had this they had a you know, no a gag for lack of better word, but where his Limousine blew up, huh? And obviously Trump called Triple H. It was like is this okay? And he didn't know this he wasn't in on that guy I don't believe so I mean he wasn't no he wasn't in on it But it's just that one thing you're gonna find out a lot of people think wrestling is real

56:08 And you get a lot of put I mean I had an uncle that man you he would kick you out his house If you said wrestling was fake, so I mean it's a real touchy thing, so I'm just laying out the pathology of the other typical wrestling fan that they Buy it even Trump being a wrestling fan himself Into the scam oh my goodness Now we had to get into the nuts and bolts of how a wrestling production gets down. Ah, good. I love this. So this is from Pro Wrestling 101 and this is Getting Heel Heat. Today I want to talk about getting heel heat. And what I mean by that is, you know, more than just being a heel is being hated. Too many times nowadays I think fans and wrestlers want to be a heel but they want to be liked. They want to be cheered. They want to be cool.

57:05 And nowadays I think so many guys don't know what it really means to get heel heat. uh... you know it's just he just means to me at least being in the worst possible guy the worst possible competitor you could be out there i mean it's more than you know guys and you say be a heel in the guys and uh... even on the big stage even in wwe i find it even especially in tna where guys go out there and they just cut a promo and they knock everybody down and they yell and they scream and you know they do the stereotypical Bad guy heel thing, but it's so much more than that If you look at the classics the real guys that stand out they cheated to win They were ruthless to win they you know, they were whatever the babyface was they were the complete opposite of what he stood for and

57:59 And it meant going for it in there. I mean, if it, I mean, it's about kicking somebody when they're down. It's about doing anything cerebral, cerebral, you know, that you can do to, to just combat what that baby face is doing. Cause it sounds so familiar. So now let's go back and look at the birther situation through this lens of the wrestling narrative. Okay. Okay, I need to define a few terms here. So the heel is the bad guy. He's said to be the bad guy And then you have the baby face, which that's the good guy

58:40 And so in the birther situation, Obama's the baby face, everybody loves him, and Trump's the heel. And Trump set himself up to be the heel. He knew how toxic the birther thing would be, but he's like, no. As the gentleman just laid out, and then here, I have to do the most despicable thing possible. To be identified as the heel in the relationship according to the audience. Yes, and then the audience is gonna take up for the baby face, of course, but he knew that going that I watched that all this was planned Other than I don't think he

59:19 He wouldn't let the babyface Barry get the best of him. So, um, so, um, I think that's the only miscalculation he had, but that was still a fuel for him. Yeah. To drive it for the comeback. It's got to come back. You bet you got to have the comeback. Uh, well let's get into Hill heat too, but it's so much more than that. It's about deliberate. nasty aggression. It's about just, you know, cheating to win. It's about breaking rules and just doing everything that is not right. And sometimes you got to think about it. It's not that cut and dry. It's not black and white. And more guys aren't doing it because there's easier ways out of it. But if you look in history and in today's wrestling business,

1:00:13 of guys that have success and there are very few today but you know especially back in the 80s if you go back and look at some of the classic heels in our business you will see what that is I mean it could be small things. Okay, so who are the classic heels from wrestling? Well if we're going to look at a heel we got to look at the heel of all heels Mr. Ric Flair. Oh. Wrestling Ric Flair and here is the world heavyweight champion. You know girls, why don't you give it to him one more time? That's who's standing here today. The world heavyweight champion. Only one. And you're looking. Oh girls I can't stand it. Now I gotta talk we all gotta be quiet. Nakita Cole

1:01:07 We've only just begun. That's the end of it. Dusty Rhodes, don't ever make the mistake of sticking your nose in my business if I'm down and out. I'll get up and take care of myself. So Dusty Rhodes, remember when you walk here talking Ric Flair. Don't think you can walk in that ring and give me a hand or try to help me out and ease the tension in our relationship. Philadelphia, I'm going to tell you now. Pensacola, Florida, when I get to town.

1:01:48 We're gonna treat all you women the way women ought to be treated. Because the N.W.A. and Serena men are going to take that civic center apart and then we all gonna be over a rodeo driving the women wild. Exactly little Marco bubble boy, you know As I alluded to before not the hell out of him get him out of here I mean even he even has friendly fire right? I mean one guy out those overweight One of his supporters I remember that I remember that yeah

1:02:36 And the supporter even took a picture with him afterwards. He's like, yeah, you're right. I need to get out. I'm a fatso. And let's take a picture. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He even kicked the baby out. He's like, get that baby out of here. I don't think a lot of people have really done this depth of analysis, Mo. This is very interesting. I love it. And also, you know, the angle where you're coming. I mean, of course, I've watched wrestling. My daughter loves wrestling. I know people who love wrestling, but now it's like we get a free wrestling show. We don't have to pay 75 bucks for Pay-per-view just have to watch the wrestling part I want people to understand the wrestling part the actual match and the pins and the moves That's only a small portion of the show. Yes. I mean if you actually come here I grew up I was forced to watch wrestling because my oldest older brother not my oldest but my older brother is

1:03:28 He was a huge fan. So he would come in Saturday mornings, or whatever I'm watching, hey, turn it over to WWF or NWA, those kind of things. And so I grew out of it kind of young. I mean, maybe 9, 10. I mean, I still liked it. But Ric Flair is like one of my favorite Characters period I mean not even just wrestling. I'm talking about in life because one he's from North Carolina He was the nature boy, and I never saw anybody talk as much excuse my language cash shit Right what question girls all around the world keep asking me the same question I

1:04:18 They all want to know, and my cousin Arnie's the one that put this across. They all want to know what's causing all this. You know what it is? Intensified beef products. You're talking about All Matt. Rick Flynn. The world heavyweight champion. All right! One more time, girls! Rick! Rick! Woo! Oh man, I'm on fire today! Nature, boy! Rick Lamb! That's totally it. Totally. Totally. That's true.

1:05:00 That's Trump all day and if you listen to the prior clip to that one Rick started to name the cities, right? Oh My but that is but it is super important that he gets that arena and that is kind of his big payoff It's not it's not really complete unless people can come to the arena and this has been the problem with the Rona and And that's why the rallies were so demonized because they understand that's the energy base. That's the payoff. That's where it happens. That is the energy base. And I'm going to lay out something here and we'll play the next clip after I lay this out that it's not about Trump either. It's bigger than Trump now. These rallies have people to go from rally to rally to rally following him like a rock band. Like the Grateful Dead.

1:04:18 They all want to know, and my cousin Arnie's the one that put this across. They all want to know what's causing all this. You know what it is? Intensified beef products. You're talking about All Matt. Rick Flynn. The world heavyweight champion. All right! One more time, girls! Rick! Rick! Woo! Oh man, I'm on fire today! Nature, boy! Rick Lamb! That's totally it. Totally. Totally. That's true.

1:05:00 That's Trump all day and if you listen to the prior clip to that one Rick started to name the cities, right? Oh My but that is but it is super important that he gets that arena and that is kind of his big payoff It's not it's not really complete unless people can come to the arena and this has been the problem with the Rona and And that's why the rallies were so demonized because they understand that's the energy base. That's the payoff. That's where it happens. That is the energy base. And I'm going to lay out something here and we'll play the next clip after I lay this out that it's not about Trump either. It's bigger than Trump now. These rallies have people to go from rally to rally to rally following him like a rock band. Like the Grateful Dead.

1:05:52 Exactly, so they don't they're gonna go out and vote just to keep the show going for another four years It doesn't matter about his policy. None of that is like it gives older people Something to get out the house about it's like, you know, he's gonna come and it's a free show. It's a free show It's a free show. Yeah, but I bet you they support him value for value because I mean it's I Oh sure. They get the free show but then they get he gets the you know the um campaign donations, merchandise sales, the retweets, the that's sure he get it's a trade-off but the point I'm trying to make here is

1:06:28 Not only do they not want to see Trump leave, they don't want to see this phenomenon or this experience of coming to their city two or three times in the next four years. They don't want to give that up. Like Lollapalooza. Exactly. So let's get to the New Jersey Trump rally. Massive crowds. Look at these gathering in Wildwood waiting to hear the president speak. Some of his supporters have been camping out there for more than two days now. We have team coverage for you. Let's start with News 4's Brian Thompson live in Wildwood among those massive crowds. Brian. Yeah, and the crowds are pretty big out here. I gotta say police estimating a little while ago at least 12,500

1:07:10 going in or on the streets here of Wildwood. They opened the doors a little before 3, but look, you can still see there's kind of an... through those people, there's an end of the line there, but my guess is at this point they probably won't get in. This story all day, the lines of people waiting and hoping to get in 7400 seat convention center. Before you could say you were at the end of the line, more people got in line behind you. If you don't get in. Wow, yep, it's not a bad thing. I'm here is what the gentleman said so it's not even about getting in it's the I mean you got and I don't want to be ages here, but you got guys 50 plus you know Blue diamonds are flying everywhere, you know, and they said they snagging the old chicks. I mean it's an event

1:08:02 And if I was older, I mean, it gives you something to get out the house to. I mean, you're not going to clubs or bars anymore. It's like, where are you going? I'm going out to the Trump rally. You know, he's coming to town. And that's why they want to stop it with the coronavirus. Oh, yes. That is... Damn it, Moe. Damn it. I'm glad. It takes a younger man to teach me stuff about Trump. Thank you. All right, so now we can go back to what they alluded to before about his comments to the black voter, but we have to look at it through the lens of the Hill and the wrestling narrative. No group in America has been more harmed by Hillary Clinton's policies than African Americans. No group. No group.

1:08:54 If Hillary Clinton's goal was to inflict pain on the African-American community, she could not have done a better job. It's a disgrace. I'm asking for the vote of every single African-American citizen in this country who wants to see a better future. Wow, he doesn't have to say what she did wrong. Doesn't even have to say it. Ah, no, it's the chaos. It's the chaos factor. Just say it. Just say it. Oh, beautiful.

1:09:34 And listen to the tone and listen to the crowd. They were getting worked up, you know, they're getting all lathered up and the chance about to come. Yeah, yeah, African-Americans, yeah! Yeah! Whatever he said, and that goes back to the statement. I didn't clip it because I mean everybody knows it by now. We've heard it 500 times. So you heard this before the payoff question. Uh-huh. When you heard this, like up until this clip right here, what did you think? I'm like, he's actually saying that? No other politician has the balls to say that. That Hillary Clinton did worse for African Americans or just the fact that he's talking about it at all?

1:10:18 We knew it, but it's no part. It was kind of like a buddy buddy Republicans weren't really saying because they kind of voted for the crime bill too I think this is one of the things where Trump was similar with Obama with the war and you're saying the Middle East He had no part of it. So he could be very critical of it. Okay. Got it. Yeah, so he's getting the crowd all worked up and then we go into the famous line that kind of brought this show together. Look how much African American communities have suffered under Democratic control. To those I say the following. What do you have to lose by trying something new like Trump?

1:11:06 You want to prove Trump is tasty, now with peanut butter. I say it again, what do you have to lose? Look, what do you have to lose? You're living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58% of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?

1:11:48 And at the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will get over 95% of the African American vote. I promise you. Over 94%! This is great. So what we need to do is make sure everyone knows he's a racist. It's impossible. And here's the gaslighting from the narcissism. You know you're not getting 95% of the African... 95% of the... No. You're gonna swing it from 85% one way, 80% one way to 95% the other way but no it's gas lighting. Here comes the narcissism again. It's fantastic. Yeah 95% guaranteed. Try Trump now with fresh new smelling scent.

1:12:39 And the third person you gotta love that I mean over him referred to himself in the third single name try to It's like yeah, yeah great product right it's the brand it's the brand that we're talking about Being a winner. It's a winner. You should do that more often Try Trump. That's a really strong statement That is that is a good one. Yeah so Wrestling has not only had impact on Donald Trump but other American originals one being Mr. Muhammad Ali.

1:13:17 Till he met Gorgeous George in Las Vegas. I saw a wrestler once named Gorgeous George and the place was jam-packed with people. Cars was lining up for miles. They hated Gorgeous George. They wanted him beat, but they paid $100 or an inside seat. So Gorgeous George walked out with his pretty silver hair and he was walking so proud and people's booing. He was doing popcorn, and he said, ah, you're bummed. He was hollering at the fans, ah, I don't care nothing about you. And look, I can't lose. If I lose, I'll cut all my blonde locks in the ring. Look at my beautiful blonde hair. If you mess up this hair, I'll kill him. I'll annihilate the bum. I can't lose. I'm the greatest. So I got this from Gorgeous George. I said, ooh, this is a good idea. Look, he's getting ripped. So I start talking.

1:14:05 I'm the greatest. I cannot be beat. I'm too pretty to be a fighter. What he's doing is he's taking the American culture, what's in the air at the time, and he invents something called Cassius Clay, the greatest. Wow. With the hair, no less. With the hair. Gorgeous George, Ric Flair, Donald Trump, they all had this blonde hair. I don't know what it is about the blonde hair, but As you heard Ali say, and Ali took what he learned from Gordie George and that's how you came up with Cassius Kelly, the biggest, you know what I'm saying, one of the biggest junk talkers there is. But he was willing to play the heel. This heel phenomenon is so good. This is so spot on. Absolutely. And then at a certain point, he just had everybody. And then he, it was still the same. Muhammad Ali still had an arrogant thing about him, but everybody loved him.

1:15:06 And he wasn't as loved now as he would mean he wasn't as loved as he is now back then exactly He's very polarizing figure one for his war views, but for other reasons as well, but let's wrap up with The gorgeous George clip and then we'll get into some of the other statements that Ali made it's It's a self-creation. It's a very American thing. And Cassius Clay Muhammad Ali, to me, is writ large one of those self-invented American characters. Cassius Clay understood that ultimately we're just hungry for copy.

1:15:46 And so if you give us copy, as long as you give us copy, you can pull our strings and we have to write about you. And Cassius Clay was able to frame the story. The narrative was his. So the media knows it's like a new Ali. Yeah, as long as he's giving us copy, as long as he's giving us content, they'll put him on no matter what he's saying. He's doing poetry, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. He's great, put him on TV. And so Trump, I'm sure he's aware of Ali because of his involvement in the boxing, you know, and the wrestling. So he's aware of this creating

1:16:31 you know, the atmosphere of tension and driving that tension to meet your goal. But yeah, Ali, just like Trump, if we want to use the cancel canon, would we cancel Ali for his racial integration standpoint? Poof. I know he got- You see what now we're getting into? Now you're getting into the meat and potatoes, exactly. What exactly was his racial statement?

1:17:15 integration let's listen to I got a clue I understand yeah I think it's sad that that's sad cuz I want my child to look like me every intelligent person wants his child to look like him I'm sad because I want to blot out my race and lose my beautiful identity Chinese love Chinese they love the little slanted-eyed pretty brown skinned babies Pakistanis love their culture Jewish people love their culture a lot of Catholics They want a mad number of Catholics. They want the religion to stay the same. Who want to spot up yourself and kill your race? You are a hater of your people if you don't want to stay who you are. You're ashamed of what God made you? God didn't make no mistake when he made us all like we were. I think that's a philosophy of despair. Despair. It ain't no despair. Number one, can't no woman. Let me tell you something. I want to tell you.

1:18:01 Listen, no woman on this whole earth, not even a black woman in Muslim countries can please me and cook for me and socialize and talk to me like my American black woman. No woman, at least as a white woman, can really identify with me and my feelings and the way I act and the way I talk. Yeah, yeah, he wow he went really far in that yeah, he would definitely get the council cannon if He was living in 2020. Oh, no. He would be like complete here. We here. We go a bit like hey Cassius Clay look over here It'd be all over, be all over. Wow. And he even alluded to the difference, I'm just a small aside, he even alluded to the difference between the African, the American black and blacks in other countries because he didn't make it a race thing. No. Because he was like even a woman in an African country, she couldn't understand me. But I'm just saying if we want to look at people through a certain lens,

1:19:02 We might start having to get rid of a lot of American heroes and originals. This is why this is very dangerous or or people get used to this and See it for what it really is and allow themselves to like it or we get another strong competitor on the stage There's more people who can play this game. That's true. That's true But yeah, I just don't think Ali would That's a tough one, because this goes back to my statement I repeat often, the man versus the product. The Ali product is so great now that he gets a pass on these statements and they kind of gloss it over because they don't want to ruin how he was used later on in his life by people with their own agendas.

1:20:03 So I mean, that's all I said. It's just a slippery slope when we start talking about if you just play that clip, I mean, or not even if you just had the transcript of that and take his name off of it. Oh no, it would be completely unacceptable, obviously. Completely unacceptable what he said. So now we're being hypocrites. Yep. This goes back to the thing again, a hypocrite, you know, we're being hypocritical and we don't want to start looking ourselves in the mirror and say, do we judge this one person this way and the other person the other way? Right. But also, if Trump is doing this, a new heel can come in the game. Well, I don't think you can have two heels. Well, can you out-heel a heel? Possibly, possibly.

1:20:53 the Democrats try that, that's where you hear the Biden, I'll take him out behind the woodshed, you know what I'm saying? That kind of thing. Yeah, right, right, right, right. And it just doesn't fall right because y'all been baby faces for so long. Exactly, that's the right, you need a fresh guy to come in who can be the heel of all heels, a new guy or gal or someone. Who would that be? Who would that be on the Democratic side? Who would you... It doesn't have to be a Democrat. I mean maybe Kanye can be crazy enough. Maybe Kanye. But I think Kanye is... He's linked up with Trump through the Serpent Energy, which that's gonna... That's a whole other show, a whole another day. In the world of wrestling, you do get new winners that come in.

1:21:47 But I never seen a heel upset or unseated by another heel. It'll have to be they'll need another Obama They'll need another baby face that you feel so sympathetic for That the heel that's hanging on them will make you turn against the heel. Ooh Okay. Well anyway just reminiscing No, we won't but Since we're talking wrestling, we have another component of pro wrestling and that's storytelling. So what I really wanted to go over today is quite honestly, you know, how to tell a story. Doing something compelling because let's face it guys,

1:22:30 Pro-wrestling, we're storytellers. That's what we do. A lot of guys from my era know this better than anybody in the business, but I think a lot of times the younger generation, especially translated to the indie level, guys have a real hard time. So I always like to start from the finish. What does the promoter want from the match? So I'll get the finish, I know, hey, I'm gonna tombstone you, one, two, three, that's the finish. And then I personally, and a lot of other guys do, we like to go backwards. And a lot of guys don't do this as well, is the comeback of a match is the most important. I mean, just picture like a Rocky and Apollo. I know I'm dating myself, believe me, to 70s stuff. But Rocky Balboa was getting a crap beat out of him the whole night, the whole match.

1:23:18 And then finally, against all odds, the music starts playing, he makes a comeback. Through everyone's surprise, he's coming, he's coming, he fights to stay alive. And that's what really pro wrestling is. It's a story of survival. It's a guy, the underdog, fighting from underneath. And then you build and you build. I mean, a lot of guys have, in a comeback, A heel should be right there for the babyface. Bump, feed, bump, feed. Has to be there because believe me, in that split second, if a babyface does not have a heel popping up for him, if a heel's just lead-assing on the ground and not coming up, you know, the crowd dies. You lose him in a millisecond. Oh my! Babyface Joe is just perfect, isn't he?

1:24:05 Yeah, because they could really write the script for Joe. They could make him be whatever they need him to be. Whatever they want him to respond to, whatever they want him to say, they can make him do it all because that's the reactionary nature of old-fashioned politics. But in the last 20 seconds of that clip, the media has to keep Trump front and center because... They need it. They're the show. Trump is the show. As the guy said, you can lose The crowd in a split of a millisecond and if you lose the crowd you lose your audience you lose your ratings That's it. And if you notice I want to point this one thing out if you notice since Trump came along we haven't had any International strongmen no Osama. No Saddam Hussein, we took out the one the one terrorist guy we took him out and

1:25:06 for the fourth time. Baghdadi's dead again ladies and gentlemen. But Trump used them, but the media didn't use them, Trump used them. I'm saying the media, they're like, oh we got our heel. I mean because that's all you need to keep people engaged, you need the bad guy, ISIS. Exactly, you don't need Kim Jong-un, you don't need anybody really. And actually they made Kim Jong-un the good guy. Yes they did! In the perverted world! This has been a great education on professional wrestling. In fact this could be a college course.

1:25:46 professional wrestling, applied politics in professional wrestling. There's a whole college course just doing this. That's really good, Mo. I really like it. Really love it. So before we continue on, for all the unaware people and the people that want to do the work, You can use this next clip to explain what Mo Fax with Adam Kirby is all about. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. And that is, in a nutshell, in the words of Malcolm X, exactly what MoFax with Adam Curry is all about.

1:26:42 We get a lot of help from our producers who are very aware as they're doing the work. We're working on our new vocabulary here. I'm kind of getting used to it, but I like it. Yes. And All we ask is a very simple question. Did you find any value in your MoFax with Adam Curry episode? And if so, how much value was that? That's very different for every single individual. For you it could be maybe $5 if you equate it to a night out at the movies. which is also two to three hours. You may wind up spending a lot more but you felt that was good value for $50. It's really up to the individual and all we want is just enough people to support us to keep us going so we don't have no other way to do this. Clearly these conversations can't happen with an advertising or any other

1:27:31 monetization because cancel culture pops up and we'd never get a chance to talk so here we are we're talking and we'd like to thank our executive producers our associate executive producers and the producers who have made episode number 45 possible and we start off with anonymous who has a pseudonym Dreb Scott And he comes in with $1,111.11. One, one, one, one, dot, one, one. And this, according to our new scale, which we're launching today, makes him our very first live ally. And he is the executive producer. An insta-ally. He is an insta-ally. Since he straight on goes up to $1,000, that's the level any

1:28:23 person who supports the show, who is a producer. by supporting us with any amount. Once it tallies up to $1,000 over time, it could be a year, it could be 10 years, you will be an ally. That is our promise to you and you will be named as such. And you can put it on your shirt, on your basketball shirt that you wear around town. It's the hip thing. And your social media profiles. Yes, oh yeah, you're an official ally. Yes, official. And it proves that you have done the work And you've completed ally status. And this is no less official than Robin DiAngelo giving you a course, except it's a lot easier to become an ally here. And Dreb Scott has a note, he says, thank you for your great work. Donation of ones for you guys completing your first year. He says, no jingles, no karma, but we really appreciate that. Dreb Scott, Insta-ally. And I think we have a couple more people who may have

1:29:27 contributed that aggregate amount? I'm not sure, but we'll find out. You've got to do your own administration for now and email us. Let us know. You can find all the information at mofax.com. Is that clear Mo? Do you think I did that? Do you think I made that clear what we're doing here? It's perfect. So just, I mean, if I need to tidy up a little bit. Yeah, do it. For the people that are not listening to the show, they're unaware. But if people are listening to the show, are aware, and then you pick up your allyship once you hit the numbers, and then we have other levels as well. So, but it goes to show that you're doing the work

1:30:05 And you could put it in your social media profiles and push back against people saying, hey, I'm going to the table and I'm doing to the work. Right. Yeah. It's actually more honest than the NBA players who have ally on their shirt. I saw I saw the game was the Utah Jazz against who does jazz play? I haven't, you know what, I haven't even watched the NBA since... Oh man, I had to watch because I wanted to see what they did with the crowds and it was really weird. They had screens all around the side of the court. So in front you'd have like, you know, coaches and, you know, socially distanced people. Then on either side you'd have cheerleaders sitting there kind of socially distanced. And then you'd have these screens behind them, big screens. It was like,

1:30:54 the screens were a virtual set and people were using their webcam to project their image into their spot in the stands. Which was really weird. And then you know the players had Black Lives Matter say your name. The one white guy on the floor, he said ally. You're more ally when you support this show. That to me was hilarious. Anyway, I digress. Interesting I've seen more NBA this season than you have. The world has gone crazy, I tell you. We dropped down to $200 from Hunter Jennings who will be our second executive producer for episode 45 and a first-time MoFax donor.

1:31:43 Had to after episode 43 and 44 says Hunter. They were super hot fire. Seriously though, amazing work. I'm sharing far and wide, which means you're making people aware by doing the work. Just made my first donation to No Agenda as well and couldn't leave out this gem of a podcast as well. Keep doing the work and I will do the same. Dealers choice on Jingles. Why don't we just hand out a Mo Karma? I think that's well deserved. You've got Mo Karma. Let's see, we have our next executive producer is Santiago Munoz.

1:30:54 the screens were a virtual set and people were using their webcam to project their image into their spot in the stands. Which was really weird. And then you know the players had Black Lives Matter say your name. The one white guy on the floor, he said ally. You're more ally when you support this show. That to me was hilarious. Anyway, I digress. Interesting I've seen more NBA this season than you have. The world has gone crazy, I tell you. We dropped down to $200 from Hunter Jennings who will be our second executive producer for episode 45 and a first-time MoFax donor.

1:31:43 Had to after episode 43 and 44 says Hunter. They were super hot fire. Seriously though, amazing work. I'm sharing far and wide, which means you're making people aware by doing the work. Just made my first donation to No Agenda as well and couldn't leave out this gem of a podcast as well. Keep doing the work and I will do the same. Dealers choice on Jingles. Why don't we just hand out a Mo Karma? I think that's well deserved. You've got Mo Karma. Let's see, we have our next executive producer is Santiago Munoz.

1:32:22 with another sack of sticks, 111.11, all five ones in a row. This donation is an appreciation of the education you guys have provided me. I'm a RONAMO convert. That's catching on, which means someone went from Rogan to NoAgenda to MoFax and supports all three in the process. I've learned more about race in this country from the podcast than I have in the past 20 years of living in Baltimore. I love how you guys are bringing to light that the establishment is using race to mask the class oppression going on right now. Oppression truly is colorblind.

1:33:00 There's something I perceive while growing up in Medellin, Colombia, where classism is very evident. Yeah, okay, this is boots on the ground. Which leads me to the following RONA update from down south. I'm getting married in October and would like for some of my family members to attend. After talking to my godmother, she informed me that Colombia is not allowing any domestic or international flights, even all the bus terminals are shut down. The economy is in shambles and they inform me they've never seen this level of violence before, which is saying a lot for people who survived the violence of the 80s and the 90s. Hunger looting is rampant at the moment. I believe this might be one of the front lines for the proxy war against China, with the second most aid coming from the US goes to Colombia just after Israel. Since a war between Colombia and Venezuela seems to be inevitable. Wow!

1:33:52 Okay, that's something to pay attention to. Holy moly. That's serious boots on the ground right there. Yeah, Santiago, thank you so much and keep us updated on the situation because that's one that is definitely not something you can find in the M5M. We need some more reporting and thank you for supporting the show and for being an executive producer. Ryan Shears comes in with 109.99, Moe, this is to make up for the failed pop money transfer. As they say, no good deed goes unpunished. I tried to apply the no agenda logic and cut down on fees instead of following your directions. Please give a woosah to Travis and his daughter because I'd prefer to remain anonymous but his note pulled me out of the shadows.

1:34:35 Each episode gets better and better. Thank you for all of the work and insight. I will keep doing the work and please send out good vibes for those trying to expand their families. Oh yeah, the 109.99 is for the other attempted $100 donation and the 9.99 is just because. Thanks and that is from Ryan and here is the Woosa from Ryan to Travis and his daughter. Woosa! Woosa! Hard next executive producer and let me say something about pop money right quick. They're giving me such a hard time I don't think that's a viable option, but we do have Zell which will be rolling out And I will be getting a PO box in the near future. Oh good good good good. There'll be other ways, but pop money I don't know they're kind of they make it hard. Yeah, yeah, they like block me or something I can't you know get anybody on the phone to get unblocked. So I don't know what's going on there brother. Okay, so

1:35:39 Interesting. If only I had a great idea on how to fix that. Then we have our next executive producer, $100 from John Knowles. Great job, he says. No other note than that. Nicholas McFall, $100. Another executive producer. This donation is very late. Every show brings an opportunity to learn about myself and help educate friends. Can't wait to join the table. I'd like a Mo Karma, Sir Nick of the South Side. You got it. You've got Mo Karma? Our first associate executive producer, Sean Smith, 9680. Hey Mo and Adam, loving the show and the information y'all are imparting on the producers. I've learned quite a bit and confirmed some things of research on my own.

1:36:24 Continue the good fight and the thoughtful conversation. Can I get a WUSA goat karma? Sean N Smith says, P.S. Moe is saying an email with a suggestion for a peerage ranking might be a good starting point for the community. Did he, was this part of the, what we came up with today? I did a hodgepodge of all the suggestions and I want to say something, let's bump him up Because PayPal hit him with some fees, but we don't do fees around here. So we'll give you the full credit what you what you donated Okay, so he becomes yes I'll make sure that he is an executive producer and I want to make sure everybody gets there. They're just do Absolutely. Okay. Yes

1:37:07 Yeah, that's a very good point. Alright. Uh... Damn. Damn the fees. Uh, yeah, here's the, uh, here's your goat to win one. A goat to... A goat... A wussah goat karma. Uh... Okay, we can do that. Wussah! Wussah! You've got. Mo-Com? There we go. Hannah Carlson, 90. Hip hip hooray to a year of MoFax. Thank you Mo and Adam for the outstanding product. Thank you very much, Hannah. Cameron Rose, 7620 in the morning. Gentlemen, thank you for doing the work. Adam, thank you especially for your RSS screw up, which led me to the wonderful discovery of MoFax. Wow.

1:37:53 Turns out it was one of the best mistakes I made. Please accept my first Ronimo donation, Rogan, NoAgenda, MoFax, and de-douche me. Yes, we don't really have a de-douche. We kind of use WUSA for that, I guess. What do we want to do? Do we want to do a de-douching? Well, we have a term equal to douchebag. Which is unaware and aware. On the side, it's now well, no, we don't, unaware usually don't know. Just rolling something out there, deadbeat. That definitely has something negative connotations in our community. Deadbeat has to do the work. How about that? Yep. Okay. That works for me. I'm sure someone will send in a deadbeat sound effect for us. So that will be on its way by the next show. No doubt. That's how the producers work in the Value for Value system. It's really great.

1:38:51 Right, so please accept my first time. Rotomo donation says Cameron Rose de-douche me, so hereby we de-deadbeat you? Yeah, I guess de-deadbeat you. So you'll get an official sound of it eventually and thank you for the hashtag GBG give blacks guns in the Second Amendment are the reasons I think everything will work out in my soon to be adopted country. I firmly believe an armed society is a polite society. I'm looking forward to contributing to that reality. If I can make a suggestion on the peerage question, how about joining the clan or family or tribes or brother or sister? Yeah, well thank you very much. We definitely have

1:39:33 our peerage system set and you can help us think about more levels and finally one yes go ahead and You don't want to have a bunch of people saying I'm joining the Klan Lesson one of becoming an American citizen The word clan is to be used very carefully. Especially preceded by the word the. Cameron, let us know when you're taking your citizenship test. Congratulations, it's so cool. Thank you so much. And kindly requesting moving karma for when I shortly depart for the US with the family. I don't recommend migrating during a pandemic.

1:40:17 But I want to see the fireworks in November. Okay, we'll give you all a moving Mo Karma. Good luck. You've got Mo Karma? Onward, Joseph Wenzel, Moe and Adam. So glad your podcast exists. I got tuned into Moe's Looking Glass in January of this year. My, how much our world has changed and yet stayed the same. Thanks for episode 32, Nocebo. Loved it two times for my value donation and so many more. Episode 44 comes to mind, especially concerning the Corona monster, Orange Man Bad.

1:40:52 Keep up the much appreciated work. Mo, please use some of my donation to take some carrots down those rabbit holes. God bless you two. And buttered biscuits, cat-sized, for all the listeners doing the work. Wussah, please, says Joseph, also known as J-Love. And I was thinking we probably could combine those two. They always give me a biscuit on my... Wussah! Wussah! There you go. $55, Brian Rogers, good day to my favorite employees. The work that you guys are doing has led me to rethink my Sholi donation as more of a payroll expense, considering I don't always have time to do the work for myself.

1:41:42 I'm dying to hear the highly anticipated hip-hop episode with most knowledge of the genre and Adam's personal experience with the music industry. I'd like to request a little workers' woosah as I listen to you guys put in the work while I'm at work and that's also an associate executive producer donation. Brian, with your 55, thank you very much. Here's your woosah. Rounding out our associate executive producers with Joseph Dratz who is a convert from JRE to NA and that's the RonaMo system, Rogan, no agenda, MoFax. I'm an NA douchebag and have a few pennies on account of tiny children and framing our family home on weekends but was building the deck on Saturday listening to number 43 and was moved to support.

1:42:27 Please know that I donated in lieu of a sheet rocking both sides of my kids bedroom wall But you have a great perspective that I'm sure they'll survive we live on Maui so they won't freeze give black guns Give blacks guns regards Joe. Thank you. Joe. That's a very nice note. It's very cool. I'm glad you are sorry kids Sorry for your life lack of drywall oh man copnominous cop in copnominous I think cop cop yes that's anonymous just a whoosh whoosah sent a DM and Twitter and no need to read it on the show unless you see any useful insight so just a we actually had a conversation we actually yeah give him a whoosah oh good

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1:44:24 JJ's business by way of promoting her work. You gotta check out the saxophone freakout band The Comet is coming. Elton John loves them and they also wear my girlfriend's jewelry. Adam and Moe and all listeners do yourself a favor and check out her work at Rennes de Blanc. That's R-E-I-N-N-E de Blanc. B-L-A-N-C. Thank you for letting me give her the spotlight for a second here. More important, more donations to come so I can earn my ally pass. Yes, your allyship or whatever you end up using for your round table. Love the show. If I haven't made myself clear, this is super important. Your ally, a cult fan, aka Nate, thank you very much. And yes, why don't we do a Woosa Mo Karma? Woosa! Woosa!

1:45:15 You've got... Moe Conway? Sir, D.H. uh... Slamma Da God with $45. It's a triple whammy show club donation. Oh, now there's a good point. Very good. A 45 Savage donation ending the Bush crime syndicate and .45 ACP for the GBG donation. Yes, that would be the correct caliber. By the way, the first time I was exposed to Dub was in reference to 20-inch rims on your whip. Thank you for your courage. Like Goldman Sachs, you're doing God's work. DH Slam of the God. Thank you. Yes, you shall be the episode recipient.

1:45:58 April Nelson, $3456, $34.56. Hey Moe, just finished listening to the wonderful episode 44 of MoFax. Expertly well done, eye-opening and plenty of shocking moments. There was a brief mention in one of the clips played in this episode that Obama blocked Keith Ellison from heading the DNC. It may be curious if you've spoken about Ellison at all on MoFax. I haven't listened to yet. If not, would you consider it? I think we spoke about him briefly on the wave. I forget what number that was. Yeah, third wave I believe. Yeah, that was the show. Briefly, but we really didn't dive into him.

1:46:37 April says, thanks so much for all you do. I can't wait to listen to the rest of the episode and count myself so fortunate to have started listening in the first place. The episode about Minneapolis were especially important to me to help make sense of what happened and is happening here. April, thank you very much. Then we have Chef Elvis Rosenberg, 3333, great episode he says. Gabriel Harrow, $30, always look forward to new episodes of this podcast because it's so educating. It's a documentary I suggest that both you watch and will change how you view the world. I watched all 10 parts and here there's a lot of evidence provided. I won't say what it's about because the second and third episode almost turned me away but I kept watching and it's beyond eye-opening. So I think you'll

1:47:19 I will link it here so you both can watch EuropaTheLastBattle.wordpress.com EuropaTheLastBattle.wordpress.com, okay. And thank you. Yeah, check that out. Yeah, and then Barely 3am Solutions, $25, thank you. Mark Rudolph, $25. Hey Mo and Adam really love the deconstruction and perspective. The show has been a beacon of sanity in these insane times. Thank you for the inspiring conversations. Benjamin Housen with $25. Soul Proprietor, $20. My wife and I love the show. Keep up the good work, you two. Susan Tillett, $20.

1:48:00 And Susan says, speaking as a smack dab Gen Xer here, when you guys said doing the work was going to be your peerage system, I had to stop the tape to donate. Wow, you put it on tape. I love that even better. I think both of you and I think both you and Adam are on the polar caps of Generation X, but by coming up with that idea, you're both solid Gen Xers in my books. Great job. Thank you very much, Susan. Thank you for supporting it, for helping produce this episode. Jesus Zamudio, our final With a Dub, $20.

1:48:35 Hey Moe, my name is JV. I'm the guy that always bugs you on Twitter with the Raider hat. Black Sunday 5150. No bugging. It's not much but I'm dropping a dove. A dove. A dub. It says dove. Maybe I don't know. Dub. It's a dub. D-U-B. Dub. A dub. I want to say thank you for schooling this LA native Mexican slash American more than I ever learned in high school, a cup of coffee in college, and even on my own research. I have an eight-month-old son, and in the future when history repeats itself and he's old enough to understand, I'm going to have him listen to Atmo Facts with Adam Curry to further educate himself the same way he listens to the greats today, Malcolm X and them. Whoa. Bring, keep bringing the heat, G.

1:49:23 I want to say one thing it might be dove in the West Coast or I remember the dove shack by LBC so it might be a regional difference. We already have East Coast, West Coast crap going down. I love it. All right. JV, Jesus, thank you so much for that. And then under the dubs we've got Adam Colby, thank you Adam, with $15. Sammy Minkinen with $11.11. Stephen McConnell with $11.11. James Holley with $10. John Fletcher, Fletcher, $9.99. And finally Terry Keller with $4.11. Thank you all so much.

1:50:06 for producing episode 45. 45 Savage is the topic of today's MoFax with Adam Curry. Without you, it could not be done and we expect you to come back if you found any value and help us for our next show. To do that, go to mofax.com or if you want to go directly to the donation page, moefundme.com, mofundme.com. And thank you again for producing episode 45 of MoFax with Adam Curry. Alright, so we let off The last clip was the pro wrestling storytelling. Yep And I think this is one of the greatest strengths that Donald Trump has is his storytelling ability I have to submit one of my guilty pleasures was on 2016 I can't wait say start up again is to listen to Donald Trump's rallies and

1:50:57 whenever he has a rally I would come in put my headphones in and listen to it from beginning to end and laugh and laugh. It would bring me such great joy. Is it just the audio or do you have to see the video as well? I always like to see the video because of the looks it gives right? It's a full presentation. Yeah, I mean, but hearing him is enough, but seeing him is just, it's hilarious. He's a slash stand up comic slash wrestler slash, I mean, whatever you want to put there and it's the perfect heel.

1:51:38 And it was even more pleasurable when you, everybody knows my disdain for Hillary Clinton and her policies. So even to hear that, it was like, well, you're not getting my vote, but I will. But I like your show. I like the show. Yeah, you get some tangibles. You know what I'm saying? We might could talk because you're on the right path with your, with the show. With the show. Exactly. You got my attention with your show, precisely. And just to show how great of a storyteller is, it doesn't matter the subject, he can make dishwashers and appliances sound interesting.

1:52:28 Don't mention the light bulb. You know, it's hard to make an elegant speech. I'm saying I brought back the light bulb. So the new light bulb costs you five times as much and it makes you look orange. That was more interesting in the orange than I was in the post. But I'm also approving new dishwashers that give you more water so you can actually wash and rinse your dishes without having to do it 10 times. Four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

1:53:08 Anybody have a new dishwasher? I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for that. It's worthless. We won't talk about toilets, but you know that's 10, 15, but we don't talk about that because I've said this three or four times. The only subject they ever talk about is toilets, so I don't mention it. But how about the shower? You go into a shower and I have this beautiful head of hair. I need a lot of water. It is a show light bulbs dishwashers showers showers orange hair beautiful hair Orange lighting or light bulbs make you look orange. If that's not gas lighting. I don't know what is it's fantastic I hadn't heard that one. That's really good So going back to the narcissism conversation we were having I

1:54:09 We pointed out, depends on who he's talking to, if he displays those traits of narcissism or not. And I think Dick Gregory has an explanation why that may be the case. The few weeks first there's two trumps. Okay, the one in the red ties the real one The one in the blue ties not the one you saw last night after the victory was the blue tie Now if you would punch up Dr. Carson been causing when Trump called him a pedophile and the next day he joined Trump and

1:54:52 And the guy asked him, see every night in your sleeping states, he said, why'd you do that? He said, it's two Trumps. I was with the good one. You see it there. Just punch up, when somebody interviewed him, he said, that's two Donald Trumps. That's easy to pull up. I was googling Ben Carson pedophile. I was googling the wrong one. So he calling him that the day before so you know he got something on him if he gonna make him the next day say I join you. Dr. Ben Carson there are two Donald Trumps. There it is.

1:55:37 So I had to go back and pull the clip of Trump calling or comparing Ben Carson to a pedophile. Yes, thank you. Carson's an enigma. He wrote a book and he's doing great in Iowa. He's second in the polls. With all these professional politicians, I'm first, Carson's second. And I don't understand it. I really don't understand it. Because he wrote a book and in the book he said terrible things about himself. He said that he's pathological and that he's got basically pathological disease. If you're pathological, there's no cure for that, folks. Okay? There's no cure for that. And I did one of the shows today, and I don't want to say what I said, but I'll tell you anyway. I said that if you're a child molester,

1:56:39 Sick puppy you're a child molester. There's no cure for that. There's only one cure. We don't want to talk about that cure That's the ultimate cure. No, there's two there's death and the other thing Then here's the beauty of all he took a knife and he went after a friend and he lunged he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friends, but lo and behold It hit the belt It hit the belt and the knife broke. I had forgotten all about that story with the knife and the belt buckle. Holy crap. We've been through so much. And it wasn't 24 hours. Now I want to put Ben Carson on the hook, but he did. If somebody likens you to a pedophile, you can't do business with them. I mean, it just got to be certain rules. But just to run down a couple of lists before we

1:57:39 Get into Bill Carson's reply remember calling for you Reno look at her face Do you have little Marco yeah a little Marco in the bubble bubble boy Which he wasn't talking about like a bubble. He was talking about the bubbles Miami parties day that he used to dance in oh And then Ted Cruz, we all talk about Ted Cruz saying his dad worked with Lee Harvey Oswald. Yes. And all of them came back no sooner than like a week and no longer than a week and kissed the ring. Because they want to be in, they want, it's better to be in the show than not at all. Yes.

1:58:24 It could be that or it could be something else, but let's listen to Carson kiss the ring. I think the Republican Party particularly would be very wise not to adopt a let's stop this guy and let's promote this guy policy, but rather start thinking about what are the things that are going to be helpful for America? They're two different Donald Trumps. There's the one you see on the stage, and there's the one who's very cerebral, sits there and considers things very carefully. You can have a very good conversation with him.

1:59:00 And that's the Donald Trump that you're gonna start seeing more and more of right now. I think there are two Donald Trumps. There's the public version, and people see that, and I don't know what they see exactly, but it seems to have worked over my lifetime. But it's probably different, I think, than the personal Donald Trump. I think Ben would say that. Ben said it very well today. So perhaps there are two Donald Trumps. But, well, you know, I'm somebody that is a thinker. I'm a big thinker. Why are there two Donald Trumps? Did you at some point make a conscious decision to behave differently in public? I don't think there are two Donald Trumps. I think there's one Donald Trump, but certainly you have, you know, look, all of this.

1:59:43 And you have somebody else that sits and reads and thinks. And I'm a thinker. And I have been a thinker. Big brain. And perhaps people don't think of me that way because you don't see me in that forum, but I am a thinker. I thought it was very nice what Ben said actually because it is another side of me. I'm a very deep thinker. Unbelievable. 24 hours later. Unbelievable. That is so cool. And that goes to show you about why when we're taking the narcissism test, we have such varied answers because it's like, which Trump are you talking about? Are we talking about red Trump, red tie Trump, or blue tie Trump? Private Trump or public Trump.

2:00:25 Which I think pub privately he's very loyal. Yeah, but publicly he puts off an air like you crossed me It's the worst thing you could ever do and even Omarosa alluded to that Yeah, and her clip about becoming the most powerful man. I think in the universe. Yes. Yeah Wow This explains a lot of things, but I'm just trying to figure out what does he say to these people? the make them Being so easy. So we say there's two trumps, right? And I don't know if you know this or not, but Trump's sign is a Gemini Well, yes, which means he's a two-faced. He's two-faced. What are those two faces the laugh now cry later? Yeah, those are the symbols of the jester Mo you gotta stop this now. Would you would you have done right? I'm just gonna say I'm just gonna take a break everybody slow down and

2:01:20 What Mo is doing is empowering every single one of us, and I'm thankful personally because I'm tired. Since 2015, I've followed him, I've analyzed him. The Rona lockdown period became very tough, especially when he was doing a news conference every day. Tina the Keeper, she OD'd, she's like, I can't handle it anymore, the narcissism. Once you see it in the context of the red tie, blue tie, and the context of the show, I think it's much healthier.

2:02:09 for every individual. Seek first to understand, then to be understood. Yeah, then you can be at ease and maybe even, you know, look ahead one step and understand what's going on. This is great. Okay, so I'm sorry, I just wanted to interrupt you there. So now we're back to the jesters. 38. So this is really built, this story is built around a jester. Tell us why. What is the—for those who don't really know, what is the role of the jester in literature, in, you know, in society throughout sort of, you know, history? Well, the jester is a strange character that shows up in early modernity literature of the 16th, 17th century, the jester or the trickster. And he's a master of escape.

2:02:58 And he's usually a strange, half funny and half dark mean figure who plays pranks but then is also great at escaping and who is also very good at, well, things like conjuring or dancing or in the case of my jester, Till Uhlenspiegel dancing on a tightrope. So he's a lot about escaping and surviving in very dark times and he's someone I think that might be the most important thing you never know what he's going to do he's kind of there's always some aura of unpredictability around him and anything is possible where the gesture is. Nails it again and we talked about that

2:03:47 He talks about dancing on that tightrope. Trump lives day to day. It's a 24 hour cycle, right? He wakes up in the morning. And I noticed this. This is why I really know it's like he's in control of this whole thing because he will wake up. This is during election time. I mean, election Trump is a little bit different from governing Trump. So we're mostly talking about because we're about to get back into the election Trump again here. Some of the things kind of open up, but What he did is he would wake up three four o'clock in the morning Supposedly or have somebody send it out or some scheduled tweet and he will say some of the most inflammatory statement

2:04:28 And by six o'clock news, he had walked it back to being something reasonable. So here's a recent example. Shall I move the election date? Which was completely intended to get the conversation about mail-in voting started again. Yes. And he totally manipulated that and everybody took the bait. He's crazy, he's gonna push it back and then they come, then he, through Kayleigh McEnany, his spokeshole, says, and by the way, very irresponsible that, what is it, Iran or some other country, that they're talking about delaying their election, very irresponsible that country is doing that. You could see the brain freeze happening, like what?

2:05:18 And he always walks you into that trap. It's of he has the answer or the rebuttal lined up. Yeah, it's just and what and what did the guy say from the wrestling? He said when you have a story you start at the end. So he knows how it's going to end and he works the story up to the beginning. So he's like with the birther because I know how it's going to end. I can blame Hillary Clinton for putting this thing together. I'll kick it out there and I'll know how it ends and he works it back to the beginning. It's a beautiful formula that he uses. I hope people appreciate what they're witnessing.

2:05:58 And a gesture is another word for Joker as well. I didn't want that to be missed on people. And Joker, Batman, Dark Knight, I mean we have all these other comparisons. That's when you saw the movie Joker come out, people were thinking that was gonna be an ode to Trump. So there's something going on there with Trump and the gestures and the Joker analogy and the trick there. So, it might sound a little bit like cognitive dissonance then, because you talk about, you know, the conjuring, the magic, the jest, the jokes, etc. And yet you set this historical novel in one of the darkest periods in European history, the Thirty Year War in the 1600s.

2:06:39 What brought you to put Till, this jester, at the heart of this novel? I really wanted to write about this time, this time of darkness and chaos, and a moment in European history when there was a complete meltdown of all political structure, of order, of civilization. And I wanted some kind of guiding character who could—you know, lead the reader through this chaos that Europe was at this moment. And society was very rigid. People didn't really move. People didn't travel. People also didn't move up or down socially. So, people from different social classes didn't meet.

2:07:19 But a jester can, of course, go anywhere and also would meet all kinds of people. He would also meet kings or peasants or anyone in between because he would perform in front of them. Man, this is great. Well done, sir. Very well done. Well played. Can I ask you a question, Adam? Yeah, sure. What's the highest card in a deck of cards? The ace? The joker. I thought it was the old maid honestly, but okay It's the Joker it's the big Joker the little Joker always had the aces and kings now you're right and the reason why the Joker is the most powerful because he can the king can tell him the narrative and he'll go Educate the commoners Wow, so it's interesting when the king is the Joker. Yeah, I

2:08:23 Exactly, and he said one more thing. I want to point out now on a previous show. I think on a nocebo Yeah, we talked about the media or working spells Conjuring spells. What did he say about the gesture? He's very good at conjuring conjuring. Yeah, he understands the media like the back of his hand. That's his real brilliance He understands the media cycle. He understands how people receive the media and that he conjures his spells and Fantastic. You're so right. You're so right, man. It's great. And the biggest joker of them all is Loki from the Norse mythology.

2:09:03 In the story The Master Builder, Odin, the most powerful North God, proposes a wall to keep out the giants and the trolls. I suppose it made me laugh with the sort of contemporary political reference to Donald Trump's wall. But also, is it a reminder that mankind has been building walls and trying to keep the enemy out? for centuries in myth as well as in reality. I mean, how do you think history and mythology helps us make sense of the great ructions going on in Western politics at the moment? Well, I mean, it is absolutely fascinating that the way you have this story in which Odin goes, we need a giant wall around Asgard to keep all the giants out. And actually he winds up getting a giant to build the wall and is determined to make the giants pay for it.

2:08:23 Exactly, and he said one more thing. I want to point out now on a previous show. I think on a nocebo Yeah, we talked about the media or working spells Conjuring spells. What did he say about the gesture? He's very good at conjuring conjuring. Yeah, he understands the media like the back of his hand. That's his real brilliance He understands the media cycle. He understands how people receive the media and that he conjures his spells and Fantastic. You're so right. You're so right, man. It's great. And the biggest joker of them all is Loki from the Norse mythology.

2:09:03 In the story The Master Builder, Odin, the most powerful North God, proposes a wall to keep out the giants and the trolls. I suppose it made me laugh with the sort of contemporary political reference to Donald Trump's wall. But also, is it a reminder that mankind has been building walls and trying to keep the enemy out? for centuries in myth as well as in reality. I mean, how do you think history and mythology helps us make sense of the great ructions going on in Western politics at the moment? Well, I mean, it is absolutely fascinating that the way you have this story in which Odin goes, we need a giant wall around Asgard to keep all the giants out. And actually he winds up getting a giant to build the wall and is determined to make the giants pay for it.

2:09:48 it. So which may well be where Donald Trump got the idea. Holy crap. Are you kidding me now? Are you kidding me now? That's true. Hold on, Adam. Now let's go back to the very beginning. If we talked about birther, Obama, Trump. So Trump is Loki. Then Obama has to be Thor. What was Loki always saying? Thor got all the praise. And that's what made Loki bitter. What do we say about Trump and his relationship with his father? He always was seeking the praise of his father.

2:10:36 Did we see something bigger play out here in this whole... I mean, because these people on this level, when we get on that level, all the world is a stage. Also, Obama's dreams from my father. So many different things and there's so many things in this is wrapped up It's just the same old darn stories told over again. This is great over and over and over When will we ever learn Mo? Oh wait, we learned on episode 45 of Mo facts with Adam Curry So what we have to look into is more a deeper into who Loki was and let's look into the myth of Loki

2:11:16 Øskaltr, a realm of wonders, was where the Norse gods made their home. There, Óðinn's great hall of Valhǫll towered above the mountains, and Bifrost, the Rainbow Bridge, anchored itself. But though their domain was magnificent, it stood undefended from the giants and trolls of Jotunheimr, who despised the gods and sought to destroy them. One day, when Thor, strongest of the gods, was off fighting these foes, a stranger appeared, riding a powerful gray horse. The visitor made the gods an astonishing offer. He would build them the greatest wall they'd ever seen, higher than any giant could climb, and stronger than any troll could break. All he asked in return was the beautiful goddess Freyja's hand in marriage. Along with the sun and moon from the sky,

2:12:08 The gods balked at this request and were ready to send him away. But the trickster Loki concocted a devious plan. He told the gods they should accept the stranger's offer, but set such strict conditions that he would fail to complete the wall in time. That way, they would lose nothing while getting most of the wall built for free. We'll have 400 miles done! We gotta keep it going! Crap, and he said that he'll make them figure out how to pay it and that was gonna pay for it. Yes, of course But it'll never you began his election and that's how he built he began his election Remember coming out saying about Mexico and all right, so people there So when does the snake story fit into all this, you know his story? Oh, they all yeah the woman yes, they want that and

2:13:06 With the snake, that's got to be another part of this whole dynamic. It does, and like I said, that's another story for another day because that goes to talk about what him and Kanye was talking about, the serpent energy. Like I said, these people communicate on a certain level. That they understand each other because just in my viewpoint and this is just my viewpoint and it may be a theremin Ready, but I think the fact that I think they all are high-level witches and warlocks and they understand They understand the craft Manipulation well not only that but

2:13:55 You know, they're really... they really understand how to work this. It's kind of like... it's another version of the Illuminati symbolism. Only it's much simpler. Is the Illuminati... it's just a different flavor. All the gods are the same, stacked up on top of each other. It's just the same story repeated over and over and over and over again. I'm enjoying it this time around. I can't wait until someone tells me the story next time. I really enjoy it. So before we hit his last clip, which is the last clip now, let's keep in mind with what they said about the storytelling. Yeah, they said the heel nose and his storytelling the end first and then they build a story up to meet the ending right?

2:14:45 Listen how Loki handles the problem with the wall. With only three days left until summer, the wall stood high and impenetrable, with only the gate left to be built. Horrified, the gods realized that not only would they lose their fertility goddess forever, but without the sun and moon, the world would be plunged into eternal darkness. They wondered why they'd made such a foolish wager, and then remembered Loki and his terrible advice. Suddenly, Loki didn't feel so clever. All of his fellow gods threatened him with an unimaginably painful death if he didn't find some way to prevent the Builder from getting his payment. So Loki promised to take care of the situation and dashed away.

2:15:31 Outside, night had fallen, and the builder prepared to set off to retrieve the final load of stones. But just as he called Svatofari to him, a mare appeared in the field. She was so beautiful that Svatofari ignored his master and broke free of his reins. The mason tried to catch him, but the mare ran deep into the woods, and Svatofari followed. The stranger was furious. He knew that the gods were behind this and confronted them. no longer as a mild-mannered mason, but in his true form, as a terrifying mountain giant. This was a big mistake. Thor had just returned to Østgat, and now that the gods knew a giant was in their midst, they disregarded their oaths. The only payment the builder would receive, and the last thing he would ever see, was the swing of Thor's mighty hammer, Mjolnir.

2:16:27 So he knew from the very beginning how to expose this stranger that came in and agreed to build the wall. Now I'm not saying wall literally in Trump's case, but he's been doing all these deals with China. And he knew the linchpin to pull to fully expose them. So I mean, it seems like, oh, it's chaotic. The world's coming to an end, but he's like, no, no, no, no, no. Watch this. Hold my beer. Right. I know how this is going to end before it even gets started. And it's going to end up being the Chinese flu that came from a Chinese lab that was lab created. And he allowed it to happen. Yeah. Like I said, when they say 40 chest, people like to throw that word around and

2:17:18 This dude knows exactly what's going on and nothing by accident. All you have to say is Loki and the master builder That's it. That's all you gotta say. And then you gotta say, if you don't understand how Trump relates to Loki and the Master Builder, you need to be doing the work, my friend. I'm surprised you have not used your privilege to do the work properly and become aware by going to MoFax.com. I'm shocked by your unawareness. It's quite disgusting. Mo. Very enjoyable episode. This will help a lot of people with their mental state when they just can't stand it anymore. They'll think back to this episode, maybe even listen to it again for a refresher. And it's almost like the Disneyland when you're on the ride and it starts to spin in the tunnel and you're like, oh, if they always say, if it's spinning, if you don't feel good, just look at the ground and it all goes away.

2:18:18 That's basically what this episode was. Just listen to this, all the spinning will stop. That's fantastic. I personally really appreciate this one. And looking at the ground here is, as I always say, Pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself Mo facts calm go directly to our donation page at Mo fund me calm mo e f u n d M e dot C o m mo. Thank you so much. We will see you next week my friend Alright, see you later Adam and we leave you with the one and only chairman of the board We will now do the national anthem what you need in life I

2:19:02 The end is near, and so I face the final curtain My friend, I'll make it clear I'll state my case of which I'm certain I've lived a life that's full Travelled each and every highway More, more than this I did it my way Regrets, I've had a few But then again, too few to mention I did what I had to do I saw it through

2:20:10 Without exemption I planned each charted course Each careful step Along the byway And more, much more than this I did it For what is a man? What has he got? If not himself, then he had to say the things he truly feels. And at the one noon, the record show, they took the blows. Did it. My.