88: Business Decision

00:04 Oh Mo Facts with Adam Curry for December 30th, 2022. Episode number 88! We're waving goodbye to 2022 and welcoming the new year with fresh facts I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country Time once again To spin the wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia Please say hello to my friend on the other end Ladies and gentlemen Mr. Mo Facts How you doing Adam? I am doing good. I'm loving the band man, I'm a big fan of high school and college bands Did you know that? I did not know that but this is the Sonic Boom of the South Jackson State University This... You Know

00:55 I don't know exactly when it gripped me, but I think I was like 15 or 16. I was growing up in the Netherlands and I heard my first drum cadence and I was like oh! I love this! And then I remember in 1970... Alright he's gonna blow you away Like maybe 1978? No wait what was the Bicentennial? 76 We went back to... we came on vacation from The Netherlands to The States And so it was the big bicentennial celebration, 200 years of America. And the two things I really loved was watching the drill team... you know, the drill team march and then throwing their rifles back and forth while the drill sergeant walks in between. But then I heard this band and they did the theme from Entertainment Tonight! And i was like oh my god that's... and we're jamming around like ah man I've listened to them often ever since so I'm so appreciative of that. I did not know that but that's a great bitch you enjoyed no it was great because

02:00 According to this show, what the top is gonna be and you're gonna spin the wheel in a second. The band is the star of this show So, uh... Oh excellent. Excellent! So we're gonna start somewhere and end somewhere else as we always do so if you want to go ahead and spin that wheel Absolutely I'm going crank it up It's good to be back to have Moe back And we're gonna spin that round around where it stops nobody knows Moe is known of course because the topic for today Moe Fatcher Adam Curry episode 88 is? I think they'll get in here But I don't know how long they live after they do get in here Okay cryptic cryptic Well, we're starting that is the Jerry Jones The photo from the Washington Post excuse me. I don't know if you heard about that It's be odd if you didn't because you live in Texas and we're gonna end up in uh with prime time aka coach prom Deion Sanders

02:57 And it's going to be an exciting trip, how we start there and where we're gonna end at. What's interesting is I know almost nothing about sports so whatever you're talking about...I completely miss that! I'm sure it says some team owner or coach being racist? That's usually what these stories are about? Great guess! Now Dion Sanders did he not play for New York team No, he played for Atlanta and then San Francisco. Then Dallas and then he went bounced around to Washington Redskins which hurts my stomach to say that um And I think he ended up in Baltimore but he did play baseball

03:42 In New York, I believe. If i'm not mistaken. Yes because I met him and I met him at the radio station at Z100 Surprise surprise! Right? And I knew he was playing for a New York team this was in the maybe late 80's 90's does that make sense? He was one of those athletes that could play multiple sports and we're gonna be your ball golf Okay, cool. All right, I'm ready for less let's jump right in to as you accurately guess the takedown at Jerry Jones This is a fascinating piece of reporting we're going to talk about now. We're gonna start with this photo, it's from September 9 1957 and it shows Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones among a crowd of white students trying to keep black students from integrating at an Arkansas high school. This is the Washington Post reporting

04:34 Reports that Jones, who was 14 at the time could be seen standing a few yards from where the six black students were being jostled and repelled with snarling racial slurs by ringleaders of the mob. So joining us now sports and feature columnist at The Washington Post Sally Jenkins. Again I have to commend you on your reporting this whole thing is right? Amazing! stunning, it's fascinating. So let's start with the picture and then we'll talk about how he could have sort of moved diversity along with coaching in the NFL and in sports. Let's start with this photograph though what did you learn from this photograph? Well I think the first thing you learned is just how widespread the segregationists were in Little Rock and North Little Rock

05:21 Wait a minute, wait. This is from a photo from when he was 14? Yes. And the man is now what 85 I believe so. Oh, I love how oh excellent work. Oh yeah you really dug up a doozy here everybody okay well we're gonna jump right into it because I gotta lay out my theory of what how this transpired the timing of it everything this was a strategic attack on Jerry Jones. Now, for all... For full disclosure I'm a Cowboys... Careful with this word fan because i'm not a fanatic but uh..I don't like supporter or whatever you're saying some goofy word like that yeah I've been a cowboys quote-unquote fan since about three or four years old when my grandpa bought me a Dallas Cowboys trash can and we would sit down and watch the games together You know cause I went to my grandparents on every weekend just about

06:18 So I was there watching football with him. So sports as we're gonna see throughout this episode has a very Weird relationship when it comes to race Sports ownership and all the thing but back to my theory this photo dropped from The Washington Post on Thanksgiving Day or around, right before Thanksgiving which everybody knows the Cowboys take center stage. Exactly! Now even I know that Right because you're a media person and you know about media and this Cowboys is America's team Everybody sits around with a stomach full of turkey And watch or fall asleep while watching the Cowboys play It's like it's American tradition and um...I don't know if you know this or not

07:10 The Dallas Cowboys is called America's team. I knew that, I live in Texas of course! I know some things yes... I just want to make sure because you said it like if i don't want to make no please please keep asking me stuff like that because this is pretty much the only thing I know my knowledge stops around here well I'm going to tell you about a takedown which you know all about enter Bezos Oh Bezos is trying to buy an NFL team Right. I didn't know that, it makes sense That's what most billionaires seem to like to do and i have no idea why but okay And if you saw Billions right? Yeah The scene in there where Axelrod tried to buy the NFL team He said this is American royalty Owning a football team Is like being knighted

08:01 Yeah, I remember. Yes, I do remember that and it's interesting because is that still that way? Is that really what the billionaires all think? Of course! It's interesting... Of course because now who which team was he trying to buy they were saying that he was trying to buy the Washington Commanders which used to be the Washington Redskins Formerly known as The Redskins That was my parents' team by the way The Redskins were my parents' team Well, that's strange that you're a Redskins fan by inheritance and I'm a Cowboys fan which just adds another wrinkle to the show. Little switcheroo there now that i'm in Texas things are different yeah So going back The reported story was he was trying to buy the Washington Commanders with Jay-Z

08:47 As a part owner, which we know how that... Yeah. That's how you get the new stadium. Jay-Z gets his 0.3%. He pretends like he's an owner and then we go... You do know sports! And then we gentrify the whole place! Actually I well I do know Ted Leonsis who is the owner of what's the hockey team in Washington? The capitals. The capitals, so and yeah and I know this guy pretty well and it is definitely a royalty thing now that i think about it. Well Snyder has been quoted as saying... because they're trying to get Snyder out of there They've done this with the owner Richardson down in Carolina which you understand was the Me Too

09:29 So they've been trying to get Snyder out of there, but you know He's had things with cheerleaders and this is like I said, I had the latest all-out so you can see it through the lens That's what they get these teams cheerleaders. Of course that makes sense. So Snyder says I got dirt on all the owners Here comes Bezos paper with a picture of Jerry Jones Because if Bezos is gonna buy your team trust me. It would rather be the Dallas Cowboys, which is the Preeminent sports team up all teams not just football of all teams If you want to be royalty You might as well go straight to the top of the pack right and Jerry Jones is the king of the NFL

10:12 So I'm laying it all out and how this quote unquote what I call an attack happened. But we got to understand the history behind why that photo was so triggering to some people, while it was used you know like I said just find it funny that Jerry Jones actually sat down with The Washington Post voluntarily and did this whole about black ownership in the NFL racing sports kind of thing and they double crossed him with this photo. Jerry Jones's high school was North Little Rock, which was across the Arkansas River from Central High School, which is the school that got all of the attention when Eisenhower sent in federal troops to protect the Little Rock Nine at that school over there. But the segregationist agitators were actually very active on both sites

11:01 And the fact that we knew that, generationally, Jerry Jones had to have experienced the events in Little Rock more generally. But to find him in a photograph and to learn he experienced one of those incidents right on the schoolhouse steps was pretty revelatory. We were blown away, to put it mildly. Let me ask you about this picture just quickly here because he is saying—he's using—saying I was just there. I wasn't participating. I was there just sort of to observe. But with the photograph, which you point out in your reporting is that in order to get where he was at the top of those stairs and he had to get up there pretty quickly. And those were sort of the students that were keeping the black students from entering this say anything about his participation? Are you making any sort of judgment about it or let me make a little judgment first I'm looking at this picture. He looks like a doofus standing in the back like hey what's going on here

11:55 Doesn't he's not at the front. He's not the guy at the front looks like a mean mofo Well, he was that he was a young younger player in high school So that's one thing But I'm just saying that it's not yeah, it's not important the portant. The important thing is he's there in Arkansas in 1957 what when you know what happened at 57 all across town at the other high school That's when they had, you know forcing kids into I think it was called Central High if I'm not mistaken Yes central high so he's over this other school and they're like hey look Jerry Jones was doing the same thing that's happened over Central High at his high school and

12:33 Which puts pressure on him and interjects race into the conversation. They want Jerry Jones out of there, and I think this is just my how I look at it. Washington Post, Bezos trying to buy a team I don't really want Washington's team because like you said, you got to deal with the politicians in Washington. You know where we're going have the stadium? This is a thing that Snyder has. The name is probably... They had the Redskins they changed it to what was it? Commanders. It's a shitty name. Who wants a team with everyone thinks you're gonna think Washington Redskins for the rest of them were...I can't ever think of them as commanders. I totally agree

13:15 But I'm just telling you, this is the setup. And when I saw this, I was like on Thanksgiving Day and you know because yeah so this is the whole set up So you kind of see what's going down here Yeah I do Wow! This is great reporting we got this picture this is fantastic By the way general observation The white students here They all got blue jeans on and the black students are just dressed to the T in this It's just a general observation That makes me think about what you said when you say about coming over when you had guests at home. Yes, yes exactly! You have to dress the impress, you have to look the part that was that was the main thing so now we're going to get into Jerry Jones response and attack quote-unquote... When I say attack

14:03 I'm talking about the strategic plan to put him on the hot seat on his day. Thanksgiving Day is his Christmas because he gets to put his big stadium on showcase, America's team on showcase and he has to answer questions like this in clip four. Jerry, you did thoughts from The Washington Post article the picture they painted of you from a picture when you were 14 years old? Yeah, that was gosh 60 65 years ago and I'm curious kid. I didn't know at the time the monumental

14:46 event really that was going on. And I'm sure glad that we're a long way from that, and we just would remind me to continue to do everything we can not have those kinds of things happen. Any regrets being in the photo? Being there at all? What any regrets on being in the photo being there at all Well, I didn't. I wouldn't have just dug that up for sure and seriously but That was curiously I got criticized because I was more interested in how it's going to be punished By my coaches and everybody for being out front but nobody there had any idea frankly what was Going to take place you didn't we didn't have all the last 70 years of reference and

15:41 All the things that were going in so you didn't have a reference point there Still I've got to have it is sticking this nose Right place at the wrong time. Oh, mr.. Jones you have no idea what's coming down the pike clearly He had no idea if what does he separated from reality No, he has a lot of protectors in the media because he is like I said the king of the NFL yeah And NFL is the king of all television shows in America. No doubt Would you agree? I mean, okay so... For me yes because I always watch the Super Bowl So right there it's just a media event I love how it's put together I will say that I also watch a good bit of soccer I do like to soccer But when it comes to American television made for the commercials football is your game

16:34 That and that's the point is it's not like basketball. It's constant flowing You can stop the game anytime you want to is great. It's great for advertisement And it's like I said, it's in our tradition Even with the imagery, you know that we're gonna get too later And you know with the whole race thing, it's sitting down with your grandfather, your fathers, your brothers, your uncles watching the game. I think I've mentioned this before but when i was growing up in The Netherlands, there were two channels that weren't going to show football

17:12 The American Women's Club of Amsterdam, which is just you know they had a library and other things. They had Game of the Week Brought to you by American Express and they'd have it was on film and we my dad I would go on Maybe Monday night or Tuesday night, and we go watch the highlight reel that was sent from America And I remember thinking like it was so cool because they had snow You know snow games and Ryan they do this slow-mo. And I just be like wow this is so amazing It wasn't I didn't understand much of the game really At the time I was very young, but I remember how impactful that was and it just it was a cool thing to watch. It's the way is shot

17:54 The NFL has hundreds of cameras at one game getting every angle. And now we fast forward into modern day, I mean they're tracking the ball, they got sensors in the ball telling me how fast guys are running what's the odds that they're making plays and this and that. Speaking of odds it's a huge gambling sport which gambling if you watch TV now you see gambling is wide open And, you know across the United States. I think there's some states that don't allow gambling but for the most part gambling has been a huge part of you know it's The growth of sports we'd like to start with fantasy sports betting is what we prefer to say Mo We don't like saying gambling and sports betting okay? Before the cave yeah, I get you politically correct oh yeah

18:49 But, but yeah so this is this is. This is sports and the fact like I said he had to answer these questions after his cowboys have taken center stage on Thanksgiving instead of talking about what he likes talk about the Cowboys and he's had run-ins with race because when the whole Kaepernick take anything He told his players, we're going to do what's best for business. We're going to make a business decision here and did they show you just the force of Kaepernick? He even had to come out and make a pivot to take a knee with his players in that kind of like

19:26 Showed a force of Nike and all these other forces that was trying to take out the NFL right, right So I guess we can go and get to the second part of him being interrogated Part two Did you get in trouble with your coach for being there? I sure did. What was the punishment? Well, it... You know, I was a young sophomore trying to make the team and they kicked my ass. Jerry, it came up at Little Rock situation at Little Rock Central, right? That photo of that incident Excuse me. That incident came after the situation in Little Rock Central? Well, that was north of Little Rock which was literally just two or three miles away Was it the same day as Little Rock Central or did it come on a different day As I recall, it was certainly in proximity with it

20:18 Those were certainly the issues that were going on, but did not have the structure or it was not the event that the central thing was. Oh, that's interesting I think now he has figured it out in this interview. He is like oh ok hold on a second they got something here. I gotta tread lightly yeah And speaking of trading lightly, notice the reporters are trading lightly. Because you're talking to a guy that can get you sent to covering... Kicked out of the stadium! Yeah go cover Afghanistan. No no not kick- yeah have you covered water polo in Siberia somewhere if you step on the wrong thing and

21:00 Jerry Jones had a lot of people come out and protect him, you know after the fallout happened one being Stephen A Smith And I could have went that way in the show But I really didn't want to go there. I want to understand people don't understand how this attack work I mean the mechanics of it, like now when he's bringing up Central High even you notice like oh okay. Like this is bigger than just me being over at my high school you're trying to make me the face of racism in the South in the 1950s and so again the premise here is that this is a target attack by Bezos owner of The Washington Post who wants to own a team and with that as the backdrop this has already

21:43 You know, clip five I'm already outraged what's going on. That's crazy! So i just want to lay that out for people and like I said he has no tear for Jerry Jones because he has the Money and the power to protect himself But I like I said, always want to look at what the play is like why is this happening? Why's it happening now all too Washington Post that's interesting and you see little nuggets Oh Jay-z and Bezos trying to buy a team And what I try to do is connect all this together one more thing before we move on Notice his coaches set got he got in trouble with his coaches kicked his ass. Yeah. Why would he get in trouble with his coaches?

22:28 Hmm we're asking that question later Yeah, cuz coaches are trying to get the best talent I'm just gonna leave it there they're trying to get the best talent no matter where it comes from uh-huh Uh-huh. Hey, I got you and maybe that's why the players were up there protesting because they felt their some better players were coming in yeah exactly So, the reporters went a little too far in this next clip and I want you just to pick up when a billionaire has had enough. Jerry do you understand the perception that people have of you standing there because that was not exactly welcoming committee back then? Yeah sure did and I understand that

23:10 Just to understand it. Yes So for the people that look at that and say you were a part of that And you're saying you were curious and other people are saying well, this was a crowd basically, you know Look, I left 65 years ago right there and had no idea when we walked up there what we doing? It just is a reminder to me of how to improve and do things the right way. So what did you think of the crowd who these kids were just trying to go to school? There was a whole lot of people, a lot of hostility towards those kids. Yeah we're... You want to ask me what I was thinking okay? I was thinking about I'm gonna get in trouble

23:54 for being up here and I didn't know what was going on. And, uh... he's 15 years old. So having said that that's all that i can remember. Okay? I gotta say something about this in the picture This picture, it's from all the... because you're seeing cameras behind, cameras in front. It's an elevated shot from above this thing reminds me because a picture is just a moment in time right? Right and you can make up any story you want and when I see this picture black-and-white for some reason at the time of course that the quality of the photo it reminds me of Jack Ruby shooting Harvey Oswald

24:36 And like, I'm glad you picked up on that because these weren't just kids that showed up and said hey. I want to go to your high school no this goes all the way back to Brown versus Board of Education we talked about that in a previous show and how all that was orchestrated the right kids were selected the right case the right place This was just a continuation of that. And I believe this was, you know, a dry run for what was going to happen over at Central High. Okay yeah and well again coincidence that this is different from all the press that are standing here. This is from above and on top it's showing everything you'd want to see to build this story interesting interesting. Where did this picture come from?

25:20 Mean you know, I mean that's the core. That's the real question didn't nobody really answer is Did Daniel Snyder? Is this someone to dirt and I have no answer to this question about a ask but I have asked it did Daniel Snyder have access to his picture and Barter it as like hey, I got a bigger fish for you You know if you don't want to buy my team And Bezos is like, cool. I'd much rather have the preeminent team than all the team with all the political baggage and problems. Yeah right they come with it in this day of Snyder lived you're saying to see another day? I'm just I'm just laying it out there But what we got to do now is get the background of the picture We're gonna these next few clips will contextualize the environment

26:08 of what was going on in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957. So this is a History Channel report And this is Ernest Green, one of the class of 58, a black, one of the black students speaking. An event that forever altered the course of race relations in America as our image reveals itself The 1957 school year is about to begin and an angry mob is trying to stop nine black students from entering Central High in Little Rock Arkansas The question I usually get asked is, were we scared?

26:55 We didn't anticipate clearly all of the violence and turmoil that occurred. The first day that we attempted to go to school, eight of us were at one part of the school and Elizabeth Eckford was in another part And it was a mob that followed Elizabeth Then you begin to feel this is very hostile violent group of people Even at that point, I told myself if we didn't go through with it, didn't attend Central and backed out... It would just reinforce the view that the African-American community in Little Rock wasn't interested in making a change in things.

27:48 How you like that trauma-based music? Yeah, very good. Where's that from? History Channel! Of course, hello! William P Strater was the photographer apparently... Oh okay And I don't know if i can find it there's no real information on him but yeah he was from Associated Press He was an AP reporter interesting Yeah. So now we got this set up, we have the Little Rock Nine and like I said one of the ones got separated in 1-8 and they finally made it together And this is what they meant trying to get into school so you want to continue on? Got any questions y'all? No no no! I'm good let's keep rolling I've got the next one Let's get traumatized! Alright traumatize me people Oh nice

28:42 During the 1950s, African Americans throughout the country were trying to make their voices heard. We, the Negro citizens of Montgomery Alabama do now and will continue to carry on our mass protest. I demanded that I give this seat up for a white man. I didn't feel that I was being treated as a human being. I refused to give up this seat. Little Rock was a year after the Montgomery bus boycott. So we had seen the impact of Rosa Parks and the beginning of Dr King's career, and knew that things could change. All in favor let it be known by standing on your feet!

29:31 Man that's some good trauma music. And they had all the triggers in there MLK, Rosa Parks which we spoke about Rosa Parks and the whole school in Tennessee yeah it was she was a Hollywood version of the real thing Well, and speaking of which we're not going to go too far down this rabbit hole but Ye got himself in some trouble other than what he was already in trouble for. Wait wait wait you tell me Ye got into some trouble? I hadn't heard about that! Yeah it was literally reported but he made a statement saying Rosa Park was a plant

30:15 Which, yes. Yes. I remember Kanye says it you say could be very triggering but we talked about this in her relationship with uh the her I forget the family's name but it went back to Hugo Black who was a Supreme Court justice um and the lawyers that were behind her So, Ye if you're listening just don't be a deadbeat brother. You know what I'm saying? It was so bad with Ye's comment that I saw articles appearing reaffirming how legit Rosa Parks was Right and it's...I would like to give a big shout out to Elvis the Chef Rosenberg because he gave us a consistent producer on the show

30:57 He actually was sending people to our, uh, to the show we did dream machine. Like you need to watch it and be in comment section everywhere and he gave us a big shout out on his show so I just want to stop the show again saying thank you for promote promoting what were doing over here yes and if anyone's interested i'll put some links into Claudette Colvin you might be interested in that right So let's go ahead and wrap up with this trauma-based entertainment as we call it with clip number three The first step for the Little Rock Nine came in May 1954, when the U.S. Supreme Court issued its opinion in the landmark case Brown v. Topeka Kansas Board of Education Separate but equal was inherently unequal and integration was now the law of the land In 1957 this decision and the power of the federal government were tested in Little Rock Arkansas

31:55 We didn't, at the moment we were selected have any idea it was going to be as difficult as it turned out. In the face of protest in Central High School, the governor of Arkansas Orval Faubus calls out the National Guard His official reasoning is to preserve peace and prevent violence It clearly wasn't to protect us It was to make a symbolic stand. It was to protect the way of life in the South because they barred our entrance. special interest groups, race being the one here. Let's use controversy to make bigger change and this was really about state rights what the federal government could tell states right that was the bigger play but they used quote-unquote black people as their battering ram

32:56 to, you know force their way into these schools so the federal government could stretch their power and advance that power. When you say they who are you referring to in this case? The NAACP I mean that was one of the big groups that was backing The Little Rock Nine and these other liberal operations that wanted to see the federal government gain power. So I'm gonna do a quick, now that you asked that question, I'm gonna do a quick change on the fly. Let's listen at 11 first because that's actually Orval Faubus, the governor of Arkansas and he's gonna go more into the state rights and then we'll come back to 10. Central High. We are now in occupied territory evidence of the naked force

33:50 of the federal government is here apparent in these unsheathed bayonets in the backs of schoolgirls, and the backs of students. And in the bloody face of this railroad worker who was bayoneted and then fell by the butt of a rifle in the hands of a sergeant of the United States 101st Airborne Division." Wow! There can be no question of the supremacy of the United States Army when used against a defenseless state. Therefore, we must continue our peaceful pursuits of life being good citizens as the overwhelming majority of our people have always been I've been working and fighting for the right of my people to solve their problems peacefully This, as we know requires time and patience

34:47 I shall continue unrelentlessly on this course. Now was it the National Guard who did that? Yes, okay yeah it's messed up right so this is a response school integration was a response to quote unquote black people asking for a separate but equal. It's like if you got a school we want an identical school, you have this edition of the book, we want that edition of the book, same resources it wasn't to be forced together because one there was really and I got some clips to show that we talked about before in the show to back up my claim My father was one of those people I've talked about this before he

35:34 Actually, I guess you don't call it bus because it wasn't a bus. But he was forced to go to integrated school his senior year of high school Yeah, that was good imagine that was he and Kamala Harris they both had to do that right? Right but the thing is My dad wasn't going for it. He was one of these hands he went when his hand selected student, and this is no slight at the people that were selected But of course they had selected people with a certain disposition to be that could be spat on and not hit back To you know? Yeah, they got they got right violence abuse yeah They audition them without them knowing it

36:13 Correct and maybe you had to show the search correct temperament which my father did not have the correct temperament because he was constantly getting into a Brawls at school. Yeah, I wonder if that was passed down to you at all moe No rebel here no The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree but but at the same time He was able to graduate You know But I'm just saying this is this was forced and it's the force thing So I have, we're going to go back to 10 now and we're gonna listen to an old southern white man speak on how he felt about the forced integration. Do you think the Negro students ever will get in here? I think they'll get in here but I don't know how long they'll live after they do get in here. That's my honest opinion because they cannot keep the police out of here always. I don't think they got any business in here to start with

37:16 What if the president brings in federal troops? I don't think the President has to be under the Constitution. The President has any authority to send in federal troops unless my governor asks for it They're taking all of the state rights away from the states when they do a thing like that That's only my opinion Yeah, very appropriate for today Hmm yeah, and that's we've seen more and more as well we talked about before and I said it a lot but this covers a lot of the things we talked about with you having red states and blue states, but if you think make something a federal law it supersedes what the state's rights cover which you see with Roe versus Wade that was why was a big deal when they say kick it back to the States. Right, if its constitutional exactly right they want to codify into

38:09 you know, federal law. And we've seen that with the Marriage Act and those kind of things... And maybe just a quick reminder for people that the Constitution of the United States—many people don't know this or forget it there's a lot of people not from America listening to this podcast—the Constitution is literally a document particularly the Bill of Rights all the amendments that explains what the federal government is not allowed to do But they're not, it's really a restriction for the federal government and if it's not expressly in the Constitution. It's all the state's business

38:47 And that of course has been, since this is 1957 we've encroached that so far. It's so far from where it originally was but that is the original deal of the Federation of the United States Right and now what's their bigger play for the federal government to have overreach when they were using black students the battering ram Well that doesn't change, this is good. We've kept on that tip! We see that like now fast forward we're seeing it more with the LGBT community It's like if you don't want drag queens coming to your school and reading You know something's wrong with you and people are like oh that's a little bit too far for me Yeah, I'm just showing you

39:32 The same play then is the same play now and we see the same thing happen with Jerry Jones. There's a bigger play, they play on your racial reflex to get emotional, that's when you really need to start thinking and say okay be more critical. Like why do you want me to feel this way? Why all of a sudden... Who is surprised that Jerry Jones has some racist skeletons in his past being 82 year old coming from Arkansas and being raised around people like the last man speaking You know he was like I don't know how long we're gonna be here

40:12 They might get in here and he's on camera saying this so that just tells you how bold he is. But of course, that didn't trickle down to the youth would it Adam? No no kidding! Number 12 What's this all about well certain groups have voiced their opinions that uh The school should be reopened even if it's on an integrated basis And we just think that we still have the majority of the people behind us back and forth between segregated schools You'd rather keep the school closed than open it integrated, right? We're willing to leave them closed a little bit longer if Faubus can help us and we think he can. You're pinning everything on him? Yes! Do you think most of the kids in all high schools feel this way? Yes I do! Do you think you've been... Suppose that's for a long fight suppose it meant no school for a year will you still feel the same way?

41:25 Wow. It wasn't just the old folks! No, what's interesting though and maybe you'll get to this is how we've come around full circle to the upside down world where now we have black groups requesting segregation. Segregation of school dormitories, segregation of all kinds of stuff And what it is, is a perversion of separate but equal. It's that we want to be in your university and that's great foreshadow for where we're headed but it's that we want to carve out a space in your institutions and its... But it's not as equal but not separate. We wanna be embedded but equal. I mean like it's a weird perversion

42:14 Oh separate but equal because we like we want to be over here y'all are over there if we interact, we interact but don't force us to be together cuz I'm gonna say it like this being a If i was a parent then there's no way you're using my childhood test dummy not happening Not if they would have came to me. Hey, you want your kid to be go over? No Hmm. I'd rather them stay at the school where they're at and not be emotionally abused and traumatized Rather than have some kind of symbolic Victory and I'm gonna tell you how far I just got us get this get this one story out because this whole thing surrounding my like with my father in Like he we were in a place called Spindle, North Carolina But we moved to Durham, North Carolina and in Durham, North Carolina was Durham high Durham high In 1959 was integrated

43:10 By Lou, Lou Hannan. No no excuse me let me make sure I get their names right put respect her name It was Jocelyn McKissick and Claudette Bram well that's a great name for your kids if they want to be a rebel yeah but they were integrated The urban legend around Durham is they put cement in a Olympic-sized swimming pool. Well, an Olympic depth. It wasn't the same size but professional type swimming pool. They filled it up with cement instead of letting black kids swim in it. That's the urban legend. Now there is...

43:55 picture of the swimming pool, but the swimming pool ain't there no more. So I don't know what happened to it? I don't know how you get rid of a swimming pool But i'm just telling you how these things have life for their own and these stories carry on You know like rather than swim with black kids we'd rather not have a swimming pool that was the response to integration Now, going forward we're gonna go back. Going forward we gotta go back to show 51 that was civil wrongs and this is the gentleman from Farmville speaking on a black man speaking how he wasn't too excited to be integrated himself When I first heard about integration and heard that it may possibly one day be the you know way things would go I had very mixed feelings about it

44:43 I was no more anxious to mingle with white people than, I'm sure many of them were anxious to mingle with me. I felt the same reservations and prejudices that any of them felt so I was not at all thrilled over the prospect but As time went on, I began to realize that possibly this was after all the only way that the terrible injustices could be somewhat alleviated. And so more and more began to favor the idea of integration but i think many black people felt just as i did they really didn't want any parts white people they would have preferred if it were you know I've often thought if separate but equal had been a reality you'd never had an integration struggle

45:36 Hmm. Yeah, this was a Mofax 51 if everyone's looking for the whole show show 51 that was our silver wrongs So cuz then we talked about this before but We have to go back revisit because we got a sick This is this What the spell was leaning upon that was casted. It's like yeah, let's just trigger up this The Little Rock nine Todd Jerry Jones to that and maybe we can get some a wedge in there To try to force him out of his uh out Of his team or put pressure on you know At least Bezos would gain more leverage right in this situation

46:17 especially trying to buy a team with the quote-unquote black owner being Jay Z. And just, just like a quick thing on the integration and we probably talked about this maybe even on 51 where I went to college for exactly one semester Salem West Virginia and it was 50% black 50 percent white most people from the east coast the kids are from mainly South Jersey And I remember my roommate, Ty Hamilton. I remember us both looking at each other like oh okay...I mean I didn't even know that he was black he probably figured maybe with a name like Adam he didn't think that i would be white but I remember that first day in the dorm room like Oh hey! and of course I wasn't white I was from Holland because I pulled up my boombox and threw on some Shannon let the music play and we became friends and that really connected us but I felt- I definitely felt the tension

47:09 And it was real from both sides. But then once we connected, I was welcomed equally by black and white students across the school but I remember the tension and that was 1982 or 83 or something like that And another thing that we had to factor in is that we had a lot of northerners coming down south not understanding the politics of the South. Right, and you have to live in the South to understand the racial politics of the South it's a total different experience from being raised anywhere else

47:45 because maybe we're too dumb or too brave to leave black people of the South. You know, however you want to look at it because...you're not running me! I'm not-I come from a lot of people that didn't and this is no disrespect to people that moved north for better opportunities. I have family members who did that but the ones that stayed, we just have a different understanding of racial politics in the south Even me being born in 1980 there. There was just Because I was raised by you know a Black man he was saying it was born in 1951 right, you know that experience Jim Crow and all these things so Like I said they come in and they start pulling at these threads but they don't understand the brunt of the force is gonna end up on their

48:36 the people on their, I hate to use the word on their operatives. I don't think of it unknowingly they're not the ones gonna take the lump is going be the black students that take the lumps and the trauma and you know i'm not for that like I said I'll reiterate my point that nowhere in hell would my kids Talked me into experiencing some trauma like that. Yeah, if you can shield them from that of course you will But we can't put all the blame of separate but equal on just the people that were given the resources. As the gentleman pointed out in part two of this clip, it was also the black leadership that failed the black schools. Black people would have been I think would have been very very satisfied to maintain but just make sure its equal and thats where the problem lay. RR Moten High School a joke man with a couple tar paper shacks which were unsightly

49:36 And compared to Farmville High School, you know this is the idea of separate but equal. Books so torn apart in one case a friend of mine who was supposed to teach chemistry man the only books he could get He had shreds and particles and pieces of books. And by linking up in his classroom, he passed out what he had. By linking them together the kids were then able to get enough material too. These books have been discarded by the white high school some years before and passed on to black school Now this points at the weakness and corruption of the principal who was black This teacher friend of mine not knowing the chain of commands is a brand new teacher

50:26 uh... went to the superintendent said look what you're going to have to work and work with how can i teach chemistry this junk and immediately got a it's just been brand new no books classroom now before this is this that principle could also have done that but it was better for the principal to report a surplus at the end of that happened Oh man, I don't even remember this clip. It's so weird So this is the bullae at work because This is where that I'm different coming And we're gonna get into that in the next clip what that rate really means but look at me I am one of a few

51:07 That's what that I and when people lean into that and accept that. I'm different They're saying I'm one of a few I wanted to tell it tenth. I'm one of the exceptional black people You're not know the others you're not only the other black people Correct, and if we will lean into that because it makes them feel special But then you got to understand what's not you but the proverbial you has to understand What's being said with that is like? We think most of y'all think down here But by the grace of God or you know just sheer luck, you're different. You know and really both sides' argument are operating from a place where I... it's a new term I coined called a scientific white supremacist

51:53 And they based their logic off of science to say, oh you know black people aren't as smart as everybody else. We've done the numbers we run the numbers now you will have different gradients but overall they're lesser so on one side you say well we have to step in this'll be the NAACP and operations like that we have to step in for and think for the black people You know, and then the other side is I don't want to go with those less than kids. You know? Right. I don't want those animals around my children. And you heard Joe Biden being alleged he made that statement of they'll become racial jungles That's what he was referring to when he said- when he was allegedly saying that But i'm just saying so it's not that both sides look at him as these are free thinking people and let's give them resources see how

52:43 pans out is that we have to influence and step in, you know, and accommodate a situation. So to prove my point about the scientific racism and scientific white supremacy is this is Jared Taylor. This goes back to 85 Overman, and we talked about Darwin and things of that nature We might need a trigger warning when you say you can grab that while I finish up But this is how a true scientific white supremacist thinks he said it out loud Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Your attention please, trigger warning has been activated. Whites and Asians evolved in harsh northern climates in which people had to make plans to make it through the winter they had to cooperate to hunt and share food and couples had to stay together for children to survive Africa was more forgiving

53:48 Cooperation, planning ahead and care for children were less important. Psychopaths could survive reproduce and pass along their genes I think this is as good an explanation as any The point is however they got that way people of different races are on average different expecting everyone to be the same is crazy Blaming whites when blacks fall short is not just crazy. It's vicious Until we understand this we can't even begin to talk about America's problems much less solve them Thank you for watching Thank You Jerry yep, thank So this is what it boils down to is that?

54:39 Is it nature? Is it nurture?" He's leaning on the side that, you know is due to genetics. You know Asian and white people come from harsh conditions and it killed off more of the sociopaths. And black people have more sociopath because they gave them- they were reproducing in more accommodating and beneficial environments this is the crooks of the scientific white supremacy argument. Right, which was raging in the 20s and 30s. Of course we had the Eugenics Society of America which never really went away and after after the whole Hitler thing which is kind of annoying for us then it kinda came back and yeah I don't even know if that debate has ever left

55:28 No, and it doesn't. So but now I have a clip of Malcolm X he's saying there is a difference But he leans more towards nurture in environment It's a very interesting clip so number 16 This is part true you won't find very many people who are afro-american who will admit it? but if it is true why it is true that there is a sluggishness and intellectual sluggishness, academic sluggishness in almost any Negro community. But this exists only because of the result that has come upon us through years and years of slavery and being held down in this society. And this is why I made reference to the book Crisis In Black & White This particular man gives a very

56:18 good scientific analysis as to why this lethargy exists in the Negro community. It is something that has been created by the system, the system is designed to make the Negro student lose his interest and education almost before he even gets started in school And the parents usually who are also limited where education is concerned and have run into so many barriers and obstacles despite the fact they had education, sometimes they ask themselves what's the use. So as long as this system that we are in exists and this system, the survival of this system depends upon the continued exploitation of the black man in this country. The survival of it depends upon the continued

57:06 degrading of the black man in this country and the necessity of using us as the whipping boy and alibi, and excuse. As long as this system exists then you will find that our people will have the same attitude toward education And they have a justified I should say they have an attitude that can be explained But at the same time, the burden rests upon the leaders of the Afro-American community to try and instill within the youth especially that desire to further their education because without it you're not going anywhere on this earth today. Enter all the reverends and pastors who did such a good job with that! Correct...and this is why I was such

57:46 not was, is such a opponent of CRT critical race theory because all it does is further the lower expectations of black students. Enter math as racist oh yeah that could be more than one according to your zip code and your social economic status you're allowed to have more than one right answer to a math problem how in the hell does that help? It helps enslave people even more. That's the way I see it. Which, it handicaps you which makes you more reliant on the people that come in and say oh poor you now you need my help even more which is sexist that white savior thing that we think Bill Burr talked about his comedy sketch? Yes. You know how this- It's a true racism of today Right because if

58:44 I'm to the point, let's prove it. Let's have separate but equal. Let's have equal resources and if you're right then the test scores will stay lower. If there is a cap on black intellectual capabilities it will be shown as separate but equal because in an experiment you can only have one variable right? That's the scientific method So the one variable will be race. You got the same environment, same school, same materials everything else and now we'll see does black intellectual capability go up or do they stay stagnant or does it go down?

59:27 But they don't want to do that because both sides benefit from this song and dance. They're both scientific white supremacists, and I'm sorry to say that but i'm not really sorry to say that. And they all- both sides benefit from from it and what they try to do to Jerry Jones is make him the face of white supremacy like they tried to make The KKK the white supreme the face a white supremacy, right? You know It's not that people in whites sheets that are our problem. Is there people in white coats? Yes And it's not even people with white skin necessarily I mean if we look if we know you know the true White Supremacy You know coming from Europe

1:00:07 It really isn't even that much about the white face anymore. Right, and that's why I made the point of saying—I said it on a previous show—that they're making the quote-unquote MAGA people are person of color orange. Hey how about this? Can i just adapt your... because you had scientific white supremacy supremacist How about white coat supremacists No because No, because I'm the reason why I say push back against that mm-hmm because you got to go back to clip 15 It's the logic this a we are The smartest people on the face of the earth and this is what Bill Gates comes down and say hey We could kill off 90% of people Because we're just smartest people on earth. Yeah And really were the only really people value adding people it was like 10 percent So we can do away with the other ninety percent

1:01:04 You know, I mean that's their mentality and it's based off of Darwinism. And I know that frustrates a lot of people but that is the whole point of race is to put people in hierarchies to say okay this one smarter than this one, this one smarter than this one due 100% due to genetics so I think if we try to do that we lose the point of They are backing everything they think, the scientific white supremacists off of the genetics. The science of genetics this is why like I said this is why they go and say um uh like I said This is why they push birth control and all these other things And just to move the show forward a little bit This is why the creation of the Talented 10th

1:01:50 AKA the boulay was created to say we understand scientifically y'all will have smart people not at the rate We do right, but y'all will so what we do is. We'll carve out a place for them But the other 9% gotta go screw you and Not no kill you One way this does that and I want to make this clear even better Kill before they're born That's the best know not killing before they bore your all you were almost there killing before they reproduce Okay, that's the goal. Ah yeah sterilized and that was the eugenics movement with sterilization Correct The reason why they have to do this is because and in shouts out of my man grump me who had this long conversation It really boils down to one marshmallow two marshmallows And sorry we are belaboring this but if we got to get these kind of laid out for make the show rest of the show Make sense be understoodable Yeah makes sense

1:02:48 Have you ever heard the marshmallow test? Well, I've heard of the brown paper bag test. No! The marshmallow test was this book written and they said people to eat one marshmallow... They gave kids marshmallows and they said you can eat the one marshmallow now or if you wait you'll get two marshmallows Yes we've talked about this Right so that's their whole point they trying to get rid all the warm marshmallow people The people who can't delay gratification That's the scientific what Jared Taylor is talking about They, quote unquote they when I say that he's talking about black people and brown people of different hues. Just to... They are one marshmallow of people! Just to give some context this was a Stanford experiment, Stanford University from 1972 right? And was only really challenged harshly in the last couple years i think

1:03:41 came up again. But it's still being pushed to this day, even like some of these other flawed thought processes is that you know that and the way Jared is looking at it and I'm not pointing him out particularly but people who think like him there's a greater percentage of one marshmallow people in black people So, we can dance around the subject or we can just address the subject. And that's when your birth control and your abortion and sterilization... Another form of sterilization is transitioning which is another form of that. We have to- Voluntary sterilization my friend Right! We have to kill them before they reproduce even what's happening in Canada right now

1:04:32 You're depressed? Die! Die, we'll help you die. Before you reproduce because guess what that one marshmallow person can make three or four five or ten and the two marshmallow people are not reproducing at the same rate This is this is the sick scientific mind We're dealing with here that they want to play God and that's why I can't get on board with it No of course not And I'll just say again because they made such a study of it after...I don't know this was maybe five, six shows ago. I really did a deep dive into the eugenic society of America it's still here! It's still the same thinking it's the same ideas

1:05:13 It never went away. It's a constant drumbeat, one foot after other slow and that's why I always point to the Fabian Socialists their mentality is progress continual improvement and it's a very scientific and i know i said scientific bunch but this is not emotional we have to take the emotion out of things understand The lizard people are scared as hell. And what do lizard people do? They either fight or flight, that's it and they're like we can't flight off of earth just yet so what have we got to do? We have to go on the offensive i.e., you understand the vaccinations transitioning abortion birth control giving up your right to reproduce due for climate change

1:06:06 All of these things center around, if you're dumb enough to fall for this you're not smart enough to go to the future where we're headed. Now there it is, you just said it right there Let's put something out there. If you're dumb enough to fall for it, we were right about you." That's what it is! Right? And enter the talented tenth because they say okay y'all get your different now here We come with the year different Now I have to humanize everybody as always do You had to look at from the flip side of a talent tenth They saying I have these special abilities these skills and like I said I know we belabored in between clips but I have to make this clear what's going on

1:06:44 because I was one of these kids that was in this class. This is Judge Joe Brown, and it's a video of him talking to these looks like preteen kids and he's going tell them how they're the talented and how they're obligated to raise their race up which i have no issue with that but its who you recruiting them? You sending them off to these PMIs predominantly or PWI excuse me predominantly white institutions where there'll be isolated you know, from their people. They'll be seen as different by their people and they won't be effective so basically what you're doing is taking the cream of the crop and leaving the other 90% behind but if you think you've been blessed with a certain skill to elevate your people and it's sold to you like JoJo Brown is selling it to them... I don't think he has an ill will in his heart because I had this conversation. I told you I was elected

1:07:37 seventh grade treasure, right? And they came in. Are you going to be on the Freedom Riders? The future of freedom riders? Yeah let's get on the bus! We'll ride you around yeah and this is a kind of speech you would get when you were put on the bus 17. He spoke of the talented tenth, that is one-tenth of the population of what he called colored people then Negroes then Blacks and Afro American. Then black and African Americans And considering some developments maybe afro American again but anyway 1 10th

1:08:23 of the race, he said would be able to improve themselves and then being conscientious and dedicated to the cause pull the rest of people up with him. Now, in some way somehow that stopped being manifest objective of our people who got an education. We've slid back so that the neighborhood no longer has leadership. Everybody kind of takes off for other parts when they leave the hood. It's a lot more pleasant But we have to still exercise leadership because we should be in charge if you're a talented Tim and that's an obligation. Huh, when was this from? This Judge Brown clip? This looks like the early 2000s Wow I'm just going by video but i don't have a set date but im looking by dress and clothes Yeah And that kind of thing it looks maybe early 2000

1:09:22 When this was taken and like I said, he doesn't have any ill will toward. This is the argument you know Booker T Washington W E B Du Bois That's the art do we build from ground up or do we start with top down Cory? But no you elevate right you elevate your 10% and then they reach back down And pull up Or do you say we built a strong foundation of and that foundation elevates another level, then another level then another level. Then you have a strong foundation which even given the dichotomy or the binary choice is dumb to me because you need both with it. This is what has been done that you had two groups come in and say choice A or choice B And just go back for a minute because I want to bring up trading places for a minute this was all about

1:10:18 Are they genetically this way or is it nature versus nurture? You know, that kind of thing. And as you see how the movies played out if you change a person's environment, you know it changes their outlook which let their true capability shine through but that's what I mean and that's what it boils down to and its very cold calculating and scientific to say that word for 100 times but we have not throw the science part out with it But they trigger you by triggering your emotion to say Oh Jerry Jones here He is you're saying 80 years ago in the innocent and a pit was there black-and-white picture now be mad Don't come up with no solutions beats to be mad man react the way we want you to react So we can get him out get the team get Jay Z in Build a new stadium gentrify the whole neighborhood make make a billion dollars

1:11:14 Even with that, it's get Jay-Z in. But as you pointed out to get one tenth of a percent but thats playing on your emotions Oh we got a black owner now do we? Like really no Bezos is the owner You know Doesn't Jay Z literally like own 0.3% of the nets or something It's infinitesimal This he did but he sold it, you know and Jay-z's playing chess here. Oh yeah You know He did basketball first then he got in a sports agency And then he got the the Super Bowl contract to do all the media to do all that show The Halftime Show

1:11:50 But we gotta back up one step because he was on Colin Kaepernick's side in the beginning. Ah, right right And that's why I told you that was Jay-Z's pound cake moment and if people don't know what i'm talking about when Bill Cosby gave that pound cake speech That's when he kind of lost the backing of quote-unquote black people because like whoa, you're on Collins side now all of a sudden You know You're doing halftime shows for the NFL and in Super Bowl And that was a bad look for us because it portrayed the wrong image. Oh, no racial image Does it make sense to play the pound cake again? If you want to sure just to give people content. Yeah, I'd like to do that home a sec in the old days You couldn't hooky school because behind every drawn shade was an eye And before your mother got off the bus into the house She knew exactly where you had gone who had gone into the house Parents don't know that today I'm talking about these people who cried

1:12:57 When the son is standing there in an orange suit, where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you don't know He had a pistol. These are not political criminals these are people going around stealing Coca-Cola people getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake. And then we all run out and wear outrage, Oh, look up shouldn't have shot it. Yeah was he doing with the pound cake in his hand? There's a second part to it but I think it's clear enough with that But now you see when he said these people that's that different talk right

1:13:57 We're different. It's these people which of course we have issues but when you separate yourself from the group this is why nobody came riding for Bill Cosby when he got hemmed up it was like okay... You know he's going back out, he's gonna do a tour He has to because I told ya they only let him out of jail to drain his pockets that was the whole point other than when did show I gotta pat myself on the back sometimes, you know what i'm saying? Because like...I knew this is all the reason they let him out. Is to say okay we got you Which there was no constitutional reasoning for them to have him. You know, because you couldn't self-incriminate yourself that way but it's like now we gotta let him out cause we can't sue him while he is in jail. Right I'll give you a little Woosa for that. Thank you sir. We didn't forget Moe, we remember.

1:14:52 All right, so now we're going to fast forward and talk here for one of the Little Rock Nine. And she received most of the most some of the most harshest abuse and this is Megyn Kelly talking to her. We mark Black History Month. We remember that day in September of 1957 when nine black teenagers enrolled in a white high school in Little Rock Arkansas The group of teens would become known as the Little Rock Nine, and their actions sparked one of the most pivotal moments in the civil rights movement. One of the Little Rock Nine is Melba Pattillo Beals. Then she was a 15-year old high school junior. Today she is an accomplished author and retired university professor who joins us this morning live but first

1:15:41 her memory of those days in her own words. I was never up for the task people who call us heroes and heroines have no idea that at 15, uh i was still in love with Johnny Matheson Pat Boone and so I was a typical teenager I wanted what every other teenager wanted any new school you go to you know you're going to have a problem So I anticipated that initially they would Not like us because of we were outsiders, but my thought was I have a ponytail. My shoes are polished In my innocence, I thought they will see that I am bright brighter than most of them So what are they gonna do? You know and and by then I knew who I was and I know what I'm capable of and I was self-assured in that way

1:16:32 I didn't realize it, but there was more than half were girls. I think the Little Rock Nine yes Going back to what? I said before about you had to have the right temperament right you couldn't have nine strapping young black men Coming into a white no it had to be a certain, like I said percentage of women kids that wouldn't fight back they could be you know hazed and harassed and assaulted. I'm gonna ask Dreb Scott who does the chapters for this show if you're using it a modern podcast app newpodcastapps.com one of those pictures from the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture

1:17:12 It's really cool. You see them all sitting there in a circle like a study group and it's just you know dress to the tease is perfect Perfect, it was it was 69 63 that made up the twice as many females as males right so I'm wondering did feminism have anything to do with that as well because you know with Hiring black women you get a double minority. Yes, so it's like And people are why you might be reaching there and know these things are thought out in the decades and centuries Yeah fat forward But let's continue on with the abuse that this sister bills endured When she attended school I had written around Central High School since I was baby says little oh

1:18:02 And don't say I can't do something. That's what I'm going to do." Always wheelchair walker or not if you define me and you say, you can't do that I was born that way And so they said you can't go to this school. The school was seven what eight stories high with all the equipment It was eight square blocks in diameter and I was going to this little teeny school where every September they bring over these three-legged table the greasy keyed You know broken typewriter and I said now wait a minute Hey, who puts them in charge? And grandma would always say if they knew better they'd do better. God loves us equally so I said look at your mom...I want them to come out and be in charge for six months let them do Jan to June and then let me do July to December

1:18:50 If that's how it is if God really loves us equal and she would say no You know, this is God's time in his way And I just you know So when they put up its time to put your hand up to go to Central High School Despite any thoughts of tyranny or what's gonna happen. I put my head up Mm-hmm so now you see that I have Special gifts and imma use that gift approve two people that we are smart You know, but the short sightedness of this is that if you prove a racist that you're better than him. That doesn't gain favor with him. Now your uppity and who do you think you are now? Okay, you stepping out your line boy or gal. And I'm saying that's how they would put it which gal is a racist term we'll let people know that too. Just microaggression, that's the equivalent to boy

1:19:47 For black women. Yeah, I always like to throw little things out there You're saying for people so you can have context of that yeah come on my mom's did get triggered when we go to restaurant You know how you have guys and gals on the on the uh on the bathroom doors is like oh okay now? Okay right with that but Quick aside. Oh, I didn't realize it thanks for is that still considered racist today? I don't think it's well known but and this is where generational things come in and you know That was the equivalent to that so now It's amazing like the crowd was clapping and stuff. And you know what I'm saying? Like they bring us out and now we're gonna hear, I want you to listen to what Megyn Kelly thought she experienced versus what she actually experienced.

1:20:40 Let you believe that I'm some great heroine. That's it okay? I'll go there get killed or not no no, no No, I thought well You know they'll be mean they'll call me names because they do that in any new school They won't like my blouse They won't like my hair But did you expect I mean no no no threat the threats on your life There were there were ropes people were holding weapons no calling you the n-word It was beyond bullying through my living room window people throwing acid in my eyes, people throwing lit paper over the bathroom stall. After about a day and half there I thought, ha-ha integration is much bigger word than I thought because

1:21:21 I didn't understand what people were willing to do to avoid sitting by me. And, like me, I couldn't figure that out all my life God had said you know what? My grandmother said God has a picture of you on his refrigerator he really likes you right You're pretty He really likes you So why would you do that to keep from sitting beside me But when they put you in the school they separated the nine of you and said you want integration you got it So you heard what Megan said, oh they had ropes and throwing the n-word around. That's Megan's imagination she's thinking something else man she's thinking today or whatever I don't know well no that's what you saw from the images it was much worse right nobody everybody was there when school first started but at the cameras left and these kids are still going to school as

1:22:12 As you heard her say, threw acid in her eyes. Wow! Tried to set home on fire in the bathroom stall shooting through our home. Shooting through a window yeah Why would you sign your children up for this? And I want to make one last point before we move onto the next phase of show is that In this situation You heard her refered to her grandmother and her mother There was no man in the house in this situation Cause' No way in hell Would a man let that happen? Yeah, yeah Cause' you gonna make me kill somebody You know what I'm saying? In the name of progress, if you do that to my child. You know what i'm saying like oh i'm gonna be killed so that's why our father would have put the kibosh on like nah we ain't going for that because I know how it ends right but you have the you know

1:23:00 Whimsical and you know right like you heard us say they're just different You know when you go to a different school, you get your send a B mean to new kids. No this is institutional ingrained racism it's unbalanced household that That where that can happen yeah? I said how that conversation with they want to do what now then I'm pick somebody else kid you won't you going back to the high school you went to because You're gonna put me in a very, you know... Awkward situation. When you were singled out and you were treasurer good for the Freedom Riders was your dad there or he was already working somewhere else not in the house at that time? No my dad was there but this is where

1:23:43 You will always get vetted when you came back from somewhere. So how was it? What happened, right! And then you're like yeah... I mean because it was- you see something say something in the house like if you see some craziness going on and you better tell us or you would be just in much trouble more trouble If you didn't tell so but this thing happens and I don't think people know how widespread this was MSN that was Math, Science and Engineering Network. This is how you got the smarter kids and you would go to school on Saturday and they'll bring you to college campuses and this kind of thing this was the vetting system to figure out who the boulet was the next boulet you know? And once you got that it's like okay then you will go off to college and then the fraternities would come in you know and pick you. How did you fail the test Moe what happened how did you fail I

1:24:38 I'm gonna tell you like this when I went to the, literally I failed the test. So and did this several times one was like I said fourth grade Ms. Fushi class They came in and said, uh Moe we want you to go over to the special kids room. Not that special but like the AG academically gifted class and they brought me in there and it was a weird vibe in the room. You know what I'm saying? They had like lamps instead of like the harsh fluorescent lights. the Beethoven going on saying softly and the kids got to lay on like chairs and like sofas that was weird it was like a real nice environment but it was strange because I it wasn't a typical classroom right and I flunked the test on purpose because I didn't want to be separated from my regular class sure and then going for 47th grade

1:25:34 When they were like, did the Freedom Rider thing I'm like you know this is the time my dad had gave me Malcolm X the autobiography. I'm like yeah we go You bring me here show me how to put condoms on bananas and stuff it's like what kind of freedom riding is this? Uh-huh. Well, we know what they're doing programming you some smart skills to not recreate Procreate exactly is that and I devolve in like you people might think I'm capping or putting on no it was the vibe with me It's like I don't want to be here every day in this class Or I don't want to be around these people and that's kind of this was 1988

1:26:18 No, this was 19... Okay fourth grade would probably be 88. Uh no fourth grade would be 89? 90? Yeah and then go for you know saying three years 93 yeah this is not uh this is not ancient history as my point of course not and they've come from our kids they've come from oh we want to put nah nah No, you're not gonna segregate them all. You know cuz I know how to end and it got you know So moving forward the point I want to make is when you do that It creates a brain drain nobody really talks about it on the domestic scale you hear about internationally Oh We're sucking out intelligence out of India and all these other places But nobody ever talks about it in the brain drain in the black community third thing they dream that challenge

1:27:15 Those who were able to escape the ghetto, get a good education and immediately go to work for Boeing IBM Dell whoever That drains talent and brain power from that same market. So if you look at it as a market We've got a lot of challenges And so therefore the small business person's got a lot of challenges because He's dealing with people that don't have the money and who won't conserve the money. So, you know the black consumer therefore gets less for their money because they should have double duty dollars as the other communities had. That is not only get the shoes that you need but also bolster your community we get to choose

1:28:10 We're not the community. And that was Raymond V. Haysbert, he actually fought with the Tuskegee Airmen in World War II and then he went on to be the CEO of Park Sausage Company, one of the first black CEOs... well one of the largest black-owned businesses you know in America and he was aware this until his passing in 2010 This is a serious brain drain and on top of that what happens is, and we're going to end up this gonna be a whole show so I'm just gonna touch on this right quick. Now we start talking about reproductive behaviors So if can't get you not to reproduce then you start reproducing interracially because if your taken to predominantly white institutions your odds are meeting somebody else who's gonna be hotted they're going to be another race

1:29:08 So this is, you see it. You know what I'm saying? We'll fix the problem that way Right Brown Jackson you saw that with her where she meet her husband She met him at an ivy league school and Kamala Harris And all these others...I mean This is so sick in a way That they think they can create an acceptable form of black And this is what really irks me. What always gets me though, is when we talk about these things and I completely agree with the statement you're making but when you say they want it's a hard concept for people to grasp that... You're telling me that people actually think this way consciously and I don't think it's that

1:29:55 necessarily. I mean obviously there's people who are, who are running and putting the trauma in place and making and using this for psychological operations but it's so hard to imagine that people would do that consciously. And this is why i love doing this show because it's hard for me not to think they would do this Yeah, I have a die. I have a diametrically opposed Sure of course view of it that you know this is Intentional now what their reasoning is III Humanize it its fight-or-flight Is that it's either us or them and? the fact like said the fact they Do it

1:30:46 And we've seen it and they continue to do it. It's been pointed out, and they continue to do it! We saw that what happened with... Oh, we understand Tuskegee and everything like that but then they come back with the Vax. You know what I'm saying? So how can I not?! Yeah, yeah, we understand you got trauma but take it anyway Right, and the way they come at us. Dancing rap songs... You know what I'm saying? Like yeah dude! Not a serious conversation It's like oh yeah you know what i'm saying The Spike protein is like Pookie with the gang And he comes through to spray everything up That's what the spike protein is Why are you talking to me like that?! And why are using Tyler Perry to do it

1:31:25 You see what I'm saying? That, that...I cannot. And and i wish I could. It's kind of like- I'll give you an example. I know you as a friend to understand how you feel completely. And I, especially we're back in the show, we're doing this my head is like oh okay yes of course I get what you're saying um. And that's what seductive about it that you can get not you but people can say You sure this is intentional? I mean like, but when i say to you like all the things it's kind of like when you first seen like this. It's a big play! You know on everything like the new world order wherever else...You kind of want to unsee it?! It's like nahhh! Okay this became a lot easier for me in this year and we've talked about this

1:32:13 The reason I started to look into the biggest conspiracy theory of all, Jesus. Is he... was he real? is He real? Right! It's because of the obvious evil that's in the world and if there's evil in the world There's got to be a counterbalance So you can't for me it's like I can't believe in the good of God without knowing that there's That there's the other side and that's what's operating And just to lend to you my lens, imagine how every other religion You can't talk about you can't talk about Judaism. You can't talk about Islam, but Christians you could run them up and down You know saying like it don't matter you could say whatever you want and you can make mockery all these other things But if you said it about Muhammad or your sand or Judaism Get cancelled so when you start to see that is like there's a conspiracy yeah

1:33:11 So I just say that moving on Malcolm X this is him and he talks about whether we need to have integrated schools or not and if they're beneficial. Does your organization encourage members to attempt to enter schools that have been known as all white? The Honorable Elijah Muhammad doesn't discourage us from attending white schools but he does say that it is better for us to go to our own schools, and after we have a thorough knowledge of ourselves, of our own kind and racial dignity has been instilled within us then we can go to any one school and will still retain our race pride our racial dignity. And we will be able to avoid the subservient inferiority complex that most Negroes have or are...that is instilled within most Negroes who receive this sort of integrated education

1:34:03 You have the subservient inferiority complex. So that's what's missing is that racial pride and that racial underpinnings I mean we're having kids now, the mother takes them back to daycare at six weeks They're raised in the daycare housing, warehousing institution. You know what I'm saying? Up until public school then they go to public schools no sense of community you know i mean just the average let's say the average we don't make this about single mothers or what a single parent The parents off working and the child is raised by you know the day care

1:34:44 There's no sense of community. You pick them up at 5 o'clock, you bring them home and feed them, play with them a little bit... I mean there is no sense of community! The thing was that i'm like one the last generation that had that sense of community even though it wasn't like... Perfect, but I know who I am. So when I went to school, I wasn't looking to be taught who I was it was that I was looking to be taught Who I could become you don't say like it But now is like go back to CRT for a minute your victim That's the oppressor You're saying this is your lot in life Imagine being raised like that me and no and nobody's countering there

1:35:29 So, except us here on this show. Hello! We're giving it a good go. Well you want to remind people what we actually do? Yes and it was interesting the pastor at the church here said hey well you know you talk about these pot... What is this Mo guy so he should listen to this show and I ran through it I said yeah what we're doing here is exactly what Malcolm X said first the white man and the black men have to be able to sit down at the same table The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak in the mind Without hurting the feeling of the right man Then they can bring the issues that are under their rug out on top the table and take an intelligent approach To get the problem solved. That's the only way but they'll ever do it

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1:44:40 Right, right. Quadrum means you're 1 4th black. Mulatto means you're half black and that goes to one drop rule because if you were 16 then you could venture over into being white again. That was no I'm saying that's the legal one-drop definition for the One Drop Rule so this is why the octaroon was done highest thing and this is the hierarchy I'm talking about This is just another version of your different yeah Right different and special octaroon. Yeah, I got it. Yep Matt B $50 episode 87 was worth 10 listens right up there with the Tupac work Wow man Thank you. There you go Moe that's a big compliment

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1:53:48 And I think that's why when you heard Jerry Jones say he got in trouble with his coaches, they stand to benefit from the increased pool of talent. That was right there in Arkansas so I'm sure they had no issue other than the typical racial things but they stood to get a lot of talent to come to that school Now we gotta fast forward. This is the football game that broke racial barriers, and it was against Alabama which was a predominantly white institution that hadn't integrated yet against USC University of Southern California who had integrated well before Alabama had. And this is another setup as you will hear when we go through these next five clips of these things are not happenstance they're

1:54:44 Often time orchestrated and let's go ahead and get into clip number 23. In 1954, Brown v. Board of Education overturned the separate but equal policy in schools and the 1964 Civil Rights Act ended public racial discrimination But although the federal government mandated integration attitudes hadn't changed And in the South Jim Crow continued to haunt college football As late as 1969 the southernmost teams in the SEC were still completely white A lot of great players from the South were either, they either had to play at the historically black institutions or if they wanted to play in the major universities they had to go out west and up north. So a lot of talent was leaving the Southeastern Conference

1:55:38 The South was starting to see some of their programs go down a little bit, but the University of Alabama maintained their dominance. They won three national championships in 1961, 64 and 65 and should have won in 66 so what this did was it created in the minds of Alabama football fans and fans in the SEC the idea that you didn't need to desegregate. Ah okay this is great history Yeah, and the SEC is all connected. You know starting with Brown you see the ripple effects of that one piece of legislation and court action to affect all walks of life so The funny thing is as that the SEC the Southern F was it southern I'm gonna lose my sports card Southeastern Conference, I would think it was what stands for

1:56:34 They're right in the South where all Texas that can include at Louisiana, Georgia Alabama Mississippi Florida. That's football Talent knows ground zero right and these teams were like no Alabama was like we don't care We rather win with white talent than to integrate And that goes to show you that they rather put winning over breaking their tradition for whatever reason. Let's just say a break in their traditions and that's where they kept it, and we see this even with sports today there are quote-unquote white teams Even to this day the Utah Jazz for instance You know they like having up predominantly white star Dallas Mavericks is another one

1:57:24 Mark Cuban loves having a white star, you know That's kind of like dirt and whiskey. You know now you have Luca Donchez Yeah I mean really think he loves having a white star is that the heat that that he loved that or just He did you think he'd just love having his star it trust me in sports This this phenomenon called The Great White Hype I don't know if you heard it, you start hearing him boxing or whatever. Yeah that yeah right You're saying like he not only think he personally feels that way but he understands his demographic and his fans

1:58:01 And if you can have a star, I mean first qualification is a star. You know what I'm saying? You had to be great at what you're doing but then Boston Larry Bird the same thing. Larry Bird and Boston hit it a little different with combining that with the city's attitude and it being a white athlete. So Utah, John Stockton... It's noticeable even for me. Who was on this team? Oh that's Utah okay Right, for whatever reason. Like we said this is you see this happen It's so interesting they're called the Jazz You know as where I would say that a few jazz greats were white it's kind of interesting No well they got...they moved from New Orleans Oh there you go but still They used to be in New Orleans Jazz but they kept the jazz out That would baffle me if the kid like why do Utah Jazz? They took the name and left the jazz out

1:58:56 Because usually the city mascot is something that lends to what the city's known for. A few jazz greats come from Utah, which... So moving forward you see what's playing out here is that the predominantly- The schools it remained and refused to integrate are starting a drop in status but they needed a little help, you're saying? To push them down as well as you can hear I think in clip 24, I believe Not only was Alabama enjoying success with all-white football teams, but the state was governed by a man who deliberately played the race card to win his election and who kept a close public relationship with coach Paul Bryant. Clearly that was George Wallace's way of advertising see what an all white football team can do What we didn't know Was that the relationship between Bear Bryant and George Wallace was very uneasy then in fact Bryant had been

1:58:01 And if you can have a star, I mean first qualification is a star. You know what I'm saying? You had to be great at what you're doing but then Boston Larry Bird the same thing. Larry Bird and Boston hit it a little different with combining that with the city's attitude and it being a white athlete. So Utah, John Stockton... It's noticeable even for me. Who was on this team? Oh that's Utah okay Right, for whatever reason. Like we said this is you see this happen It's so interesting they're called the Jazz You know as where I would say that a few jazz greats were white it's kind of interesting No well they got...they moved from New Orleans Oh there you go but still They used to be in New Orleans Jazz but they kept the jazz out That would baffle me if the kid like why do Utah Jazz? They took the name and left the jazz out

1:58:56 Because usually the city mascot is something that lends to what the city's known for. A few jazz greats come from Utah, which... So moving forward you see what's playing out here is that the predominantly- The schools it remained and refused to integrate are starting a drop in status but they needed a little help, you're saying? To push them down as well as you can hear I think in clip 24, I believe Not only was Alabama enjoying success with all-white football teams, but the state was governed by a man who deliberately played the race card to win his election and who kept a close public relationship with coach Paul Bryant. Clearly that was George Wallace's way of advertising see what an all white football team can do What we didn't know Was that the relationship between Bear Bryant and George Wallace was very uneasy then in fact Bryant had been

1:59:58 needling and pushing and probing, trying to integrate the Alabama football team for many years. We were conspiring as much as we could without rattling the governor's situation. And I think as Vicky speaks well of Coach Brant We're a state institution. The governor is not ready for integration yet A lot of our funds come from the state of Alabama, from the capital and we would like to be successful but...we're gonna hurt the general public The students and faculty We were conspiring! Yes I heard it

2:00:35 You know who George Wallace is I don't know if you know who Bear Bryant is or not. Wallace yes, Brian No, you've seen him before you've seen his image and likeness in a movie for Forrest Gump Remember the football coach at Alabama? Yeah sure sure that was the that was him That was big he's known for it houndstooth hat Yes, okay. I got you and in here i think they're doing a little bit of cleaning up his image with this piece as well because he's very valuable to the University of Alabama's legacy

2:01:15 So you see that you have to clean up, like kind of rewrite history in a certain way. Not saying he wasn't pushing for talent but they make him seem like this benevolent person that had this insight to say, You know what? We need to integrate schools. I mean if you listen to it the nuance and how they're saying oh we were conspiring Him and Wallace really wasn't on the same page together. No, no big deal just a little conspiracy Okay I mean they said it, I didn't say it, they said we were conspiring So on with the conspiracy Despite championships in the early 60s The racial factor was beginning to hurt Alabama's stature Brian's team finished the 1966 season unbeaten and untied Yet placed third in the polls

2:02:10 The nation was simply not going to reward an all-white team that had become the flagship for segregation. By the late 1960s, the crimson tide was turning and after a subpar 69 season they were no longer reminiscent of a championship team. At 69 there were people calling for his resignation he said it game had passed him by it's time for Coach Bryant to go We knew we had to get bigger stronger faster players And a large majority of the bigger stronger faster players were black We did have an African American on the team, but he was a freshman and didn't dress. Wilbur Jackson... I think it was coming and Coach Bryant was allowing it to happen slowly It was finally time for Bryant to make his move To convince people that in order to start winning again Alabama was going to have to fully commit to integration But to do so, he needed to set an example

2:03:17 So, once again you hear this they needed bigger stronger faster players and a large number of those are black players. And another thing I want to point to was go back because I want us because she don't know sports college football At least in this era and like up until maybe I think like maybe 10-15 years ago the AP voted on Associated Press voted on who was the number one team you have a bunch of sports writers And they vote whoever got the most votes Was the champion? This is how he could go undefeated Untied but become number three because you heard him say America couldn't stand for

2:04:00 you know, him winning being segregated. So they had to lean when you talk about they this is the day the media was leaning on Alabama because once you start winning national championships The top players don't want to come to your school anymore because he like well You know, they're not that Players want to go play at their best school And that started to make the deterioration of the school and that's why he felt hard-pressed to take action in a way he did. Got it So I'm just showing you how the media, not the media That was the media interfering To push their narrative Well of course! So i think we stopped at 25 Let's go ahead and go 26

2:04:44 The number one team in the 60s, USC had a fully integrated roster including a black quarterback and a black assistant coach. One day prior to the 1970 season head coach John McKay asked his assistant Craig Ferdig for a lift to LAX airport for an unexpected meeting. In walks Coach Bryant with that houndstooth hat on back here And he walked in and they hi Paul Hi John Paul what's this about? John, how do you all like come down to Birmingham and play us in the opener? Coach says what are you going pay me. He says $150,000. Coach smokes his cigar and he says I'll tell ya what Paul we'll come down and play you in the opener if you come out the following year and play us in LA then I will give you 250 thousand. And I'm sitting there and they said bring another round here. And I sat on history and didn't realize it at that time

2:05:41 Huh. There's your conspiracy, right? Come down and beat the crap out of us at our home stadium in front of all the racist white folks and they'll get the picture that we need black players not taking into fact what those black players were gonna go through while they're there none of that! It was for my benefit in continuing with my legacy and my career And it's done over drinks. And this was what year? 1971 I want to say hmm, I believe I believe with 71 so I'm just like in 71 nine years before I was born I hope a lot of sports fans out there paying attention to this This is why this is why sports is one the most fascinating draws for entertainment because it actually

2:06:40 Go on the field of court wherever else and made a best man win, right? That that's why sports is what they call a level playing field. It's legitly a level playing field because Sports has their rule book And society has a rule book if you want to play it right. It's called the Constitution of America, you know what I'm saying? Let's play by the rule book! That's all we're saying separate but equal let's play by the rulebook We have this thing... You have 11 players and we have eleven players. You get to wear helmets and we get to wear helmets. You know that's..and then we see how it plays out

2:07:17 But as you see, it's conspiracies that go on. This is an and for was it for a greater good? Who knows but nobody's benevolent in this all you know bear Bryant woke up one more You know what? I have a moral obligation to let black players play for me. No, it was for his... which nothing wrong with that being self-serving. I have no issue with that. It's the fact don't sell it like something else. That's the issue I had with anybody. Right but it's not like that has changed in 2022 2023. It's just you know maybe well here we go we're talking about sports right now

2:07:59 with the current story. And this is why Jerry Jones was such a predicament because he has to sign top level black talent to come play for Dallas, his quarterback is black you see what I'm saying? The CEO of his team being the quarterback that's the CEO is a black man. You know what I'm saying? He thinks biracial but still yet and still he's black The top play office every I'm saying like 80 70 85 percent of team is black if you if this carries out the wrong way He could have mutiny right on his team. And this was the goal I believe in my view when that attack was set on him It's like let's shake up, do you know the Dallas Cowboys nothing else and maybe even a whole NFL?

2:08:47 Wow, and I you know again. You know? I'm not a sports guy but maybe I'll start paying more attention not to the game Watch for all the other stuff this is why they could talk about it for the six days are not playing It's a whole channel called ESPN they got to fill it up. Oh, it's four or five years PNs Yeah What do they talk about all of these sub narratives everything amiss politics and in race and gender and knowledge other things that And you see it's nothing new. That's why they act like something that's capping it with something new on the Sun No, these things have been going on all way go back to Jack Johnson You know say like, you know in boxing using the early 1900s There was legislation and you're saying create a man at you know to entrap him in certain ways I'm just saying this is bigger than sports but sports is a huge issue

2:09:39 thing in America. It's a huge, very huge thing so let's if you add something to it if not we can go ahead and continue on with the final part of the conversation. What I was gonna say is that I have to think and I'd love to hear from some of our producers If this also the case with soccer as an example? If you look at the French team I don't know if you had one second to look at any World Cup soccer French team all black guys All black. Now they're African, from origin of course which is all French but there's I wonder how that plays into sports in general? It plays into a huge part and just think if you were to take some of the top NFL and NBA black players and start teaching them at soccer age four

2:10:35 Nobody would beat American soccer. I mean, it's just that there are other sports to play here especially for that segment of society and saying they have these superior athletic talents So it was like once you start getting at Factored in and if soccer is super expensive to you know America will be dominant in Soccer the same way European the Europeans got on it quick. You know they like I said, they don't stick to their national players They go outside, you know, racially national. Let me say it like that because some of those guys are born there but they don't care! They go wherever the talent is which that's how it should be I'm not so sure That's why... What do you mean? I'm not so sure that they only do where their talent is. I'm not so sure I'd want to see if there's any racial element in some other sports like that Outside of the US The U.S., I get it

2:11:30 Right. I'm just curious this that seems there's a lot more to sports than ever considered certainly in the United States And if you're gonna put together along, this is team you gotta go get the Kings One two three four five all I think it's King this Kenyan racing team running team right? It's like they're done giving high-fives everybody else is running using So I'm just saying With genetics, you have certain genes that bring themselves out to show superior talent in certain things. So let's go ahead and wrap up with the last clip in this set. On September 12th 1970 USC met Alabama on Legion's field for what would become the first integrated college football game played in Alabama I listened to that game on radio

2:12:26 We all know Southern Cal had a bit of a field day in that game. It was him cutting him, just ran up and down the field. When we played eight linebackers trying to find one that could tackle them and we never found one that could tackle them. Cunningham ran for 135 yards and scored two touchdowns on only 12 carries. The final score was 42 to 21. The Crimson Tide had lost the football game, but was starting to win the war on segregation. Bryant reacted to this game by shaking John McKay's hand at halftime and thanking him for bringing his team all the way out to Birmingham

2:13:08 to help his program, quote. Help our program end quote." That sort of signaled the beginning for recruitment of African American players in Southeast Conference and I know a lot has been written, a lot of speculation but uh... i don't have any question in my mind that it was all planned by Coach Bryant He's got a spot Alabama like Martin Luther King does in the world He left us he left a legacy that will never be matched So now we got to get to the 5,000 pound gorilla in there and in the room or elephant. All right genetics and sports Why is it that? 85% of the NBA's is

2:14:14 Black American, you know why is it in NFL as such high percentage? You see what I'm saying well and from a certain location in America my answer would be Similar to why are some of the best soccer players from poor South American countries is because that's when the minute they're born, that's the only thing they can really excel at. And and that's what they're doing all day long. They live eat breathe soccer and that creates great players I would say there's some of that with with American sports

2:14:53 It's just, it's your I think it's social circumstances and what you focus on to get out. Poverty more often than not probably poverty That I agree with you that is nature means nurture But then when nature also plays a role in it Because this is what nobody wants to talk about her sports and this is why Colin Kaepernick He played with this trope and meme NFL being a plantation that kind of thing but they measured these guys as From pinky to thumb. How big is your hand? How high can you jump how it was like every metric they know

2:15:34 Sure. And the genesis of that is the slave trade, nobody wants to talk about this and this will get you canceled back in the 80's if you brought this up because of how black people were bred like animals in this country Nobody wants to talk about it! Hold on a second. So, okay fair you're saying that this is genetics that was initially engineered during the slave trade and once that's engineered its stays and then it continues through the bloodline?

2:16:17 It's in the gene pool and the thing about it is like this, we gotta think about genes. And it took me a long time on how to think of analogy, how I could illustrate because of course people are going to get into their emotions. What are you saying? All black people are genetically... No, that's not what I'm saying. Genetic pool is like lottery. Like you're saying think about the lottery balls right? Yeah You're when you you only have six or seven numbers that come out, but it's like 60 numbers in there. You see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm you might get some good set of balls and Because just out of the draw to look this is what they call people say oh you want a genetic lottery here People say this all time are you on our genetic lotteries sure being tall or you know saying or handsome or whatever Attractive whatever else the thing was was the creation of American slave

2:17:11 was they stack the lottery balls. And that's why it comes out more often in our race. All right, all right so if I were to say wow you know these guys...I mean just look at him this is from genetics he got it from his gene pool and boy are we lucky to have him on the team Who would agree with me if I said that you will get cancelled? Immediately what I'm thinking but I must show you the difference cuz like in football You have these football families, you know saying lot especially lineman cuz Lamin a bit guys and you're like Oh, your dad played his uncle. No, I could like the Otto family this though out of name You're saying that this might not be real, you know, the autos you're saying they come from a long line of football family no problem

2:18:04 But it's very careful when you get to the black side and hey, you ever heard of Jimmy the Greek Let's progress this show a little bit. Have I heard of Jimmy the Greek? I was doing radio in New York City when this happened in 80s 89 Right time yeah Oh, oh I remember that even back then he got cancelled for what he said about I want to show you the news report. I remember this, i was in New York City! I remember this, this was huge news This is why I love doing the show because like except this is...I get the inside scoop on what but listen to how the news frames why he got in trouble and possibly fired

2:18:43 And then we're gonna go back and listen to what he actually said. Reporter from WRC-TV was asking questions about Martin Luther King's birthday, and the progress blacks have made in society. There CBS sports commentator Jimmy The Greek Snyder gave his impressions of blacks in coaching in the National Football League. His answers could raise as much controversy as the statements by former Dodgers executive Al Campanus last April on ABCs Nightline News program the If they take over coaching like everybody wants them to, there's not gonna be anything left for the white people. I mean all the players are black, the only thing that whites control is their coaching jobs. Now I'm not being derogatory about it but that's all that's left for them! The black talent is beautiful, its great, it's out there. The only thing left for the whites is a couple of coaching jobs. Yeah we need more black coaches. It's alright with me. I'm sure they'll take over that pretty soon too

2:19:53 WRC was apparently flooded with complaint calls after the Snyder comments were aired. Snyder issued an apology saying he was truly sorry for anything he said. A CBS spokesperson said no decision has been made as to whether Snyder will work Sunday's NFL Today broadcast. Snyder is spending the night with Gene Upshaw, the Players Union Executive Director in Washington and he has received support calls from Walter Payton and Ahmad Rashad Oh man, yes it's all... Ahmad Rashad he got some shit for that too. Of course he did because just like when Jerry Jones came out and I mean Stephen A Smith came out caper for Jerry Jones you always have people you can call a Stephen A I need a solid you know saying Ahmad I need a solid What i remember now I'm just trying to think this time because

2:20:44 This was although this was kind of what this I think was the actual problem that he said well You know what's gonna be left for the Jews and the white guys, you know We got in there and yet Italians or what are we gonna have life? We're not gonna be in the sport But he got cancelled. I guess or fired to whatever for a different comment And I'm glad I'm glad we land is out like this is where podcast gold is all about What do you remember him being counsel for? For saying that, well obviously the black athletes are superior because of their breeding as slaves and they were bred to be powerful machines. I'm paraphrasing it's a long time ago. That's pretty close! But notice the news clip left that part out. Yeah no kidding! That's a vintage news clip unedited. We got found on YouTube. He missed a lot there

2:21:37 Right, so now I had to go to Stoner Man. It's a YouTube channel and forgive the music but he is going into Jimmy the Greek being cancelled part 1 and part 2 this is the first part. Stoner man presents Jimmy the Greek the first cancelled broadcaster caution comments may be triggering or hilarious depending on your perspective The black is the better athlete and he's bred to be the better athlete because this goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the big- the owner, the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman.

2:22:14 so that he could have a big black kid. In Washington today, the local NBC television station interviewed people about the state of race relations on this Martin Luther King's birthday. Should be the Greek Snyder is in hot water tonight over some remarks he made today about black athletes Well, they've got everything if they take over coaching like everybody wants him to there's not gonna be anything left for the white people The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way Because of his high thighs and I don't want this on There isn't much left for the white guys and the fallout was very swift right? Yeah. Yeah That was it It was the high thigh that was that was the kind of like the meme That was the thing that stuck the high thigh

2:22:58 And what? You mean they're genetically different? They were genetically, uh... reproduced. And this is the misconception people have about slavery. Like, did you had slaves in their little slave cabins with their little slave families? It's like all right honey I'm going out to slaves! You know and they go walk out of the house and be like oh see we get home No it was scientific... and I gotta stop using that word it was husbandry It was like, oh you got a thoroughbred horse? Bring him on over here. And I know this because I own a thoroughbred American bully and his genetics can be trapped... You're saying the right thing husband view it exists today we don't think two seconds about the Hindus about Indians

2:23:49 I mean, it's husbandry. That's the goal of arranged marriages to put people together that way they reproduce a better lineage or progeny. Flip it on its head! Why is it taboo to marry your cousin? Because you get the opposite so we're told. Correct, correct! You get mongrel retarded offspring But you don't want to have this conversation I'm glad you made that point because What is the South known for? West Virginia Oh your married to your cousin Your married to... That stereotype is okay Yeah exactly And this what the northerners thought they were dealing with when they came down south All their cousin efforts or whatever saying like

2:24:41 Where do we get these stereotypes from? Where do we get them from? Yeah, I mean who pranks West Virginians as people that sleep with their cousins. Douchebags And it's okay! It's the media, its movies...it's the same thing. You're right you're right don't marry a ginger It's no good. Oh that's the I mean yeah exactly, they're the white people up there the black people are white people you know? Like i never understood how cruel gingers was treated but it's very bad! They get blamed for everything too like oh my car got a flat tire you know saying must be a ginger you know that kind of thing

2:25:26 No, seriously. I didn't know like I said that was outside my purview but when you start hearing the stereotypes it's like wow! Wow this thing is... That's a very good point though so well first of all i'm glad that we can just sit here and talk about because I remember Here's how I remember it going down because it was one, I was doing the morning show with uh...I think Scott Shannon, Ross Britton. These were all huge Z100 and all white guys except we had Professor Jonathan B Bell who did sports black guy of course but I remember

2:26:08 I wish i remembered exactly but it was kind of oh Jimmy the great you know they wouldn't actually say, but you could tell that everyone's like he's right. But we're not gonna say he's right It's one of the things that we see in modern, they talk about what he said without actually saying what he said. We saw it with the Bill Cosby thing you know they never use what his confession was They just talked about his confession. Oh he confessed! What did he say though? Don't worry about it He confessed but like I said this is no caper for Bill Cosby because he got his own issues So here comes the problem

2:26:50 Does the media do that because they don't want to be complicit in some suspected racism or do they do that? Because they just want to keep it quiet. Keep everything going the way it is They don't want to unearth Like I and this is why I point out the Megyn Kelly thing you had the narrative that she had and there's no shot in a Megan of what bills miss Beals went through But then you had what actually what Miss Bills went through. You know what I'm saying? She's like, oh there was ropes and inwards... No! They were shooting at me and trying to light me on fire and throwing acid on me And it's the same thing here It's like the idea of slavery versus What was really going on in slavery. And the converse is true In recent history with Juicy Smollett There was Oh! MAGA country put a noose around ya

2:27:42 And of course that was all just trauma reporting for effect. Right, or the one we always like to talk about is good people on both sides. That kind of thing it's like we're gonna take this and shape it but Dr. Bilebo a point but I'm just showing you nobody really wants to have that conversation of what acts went into slavery and that was more modern slavery because when they had a steady flow instead of slaves coming into the country It wasn't beneficial But the late stages of slavery was a lot of slave Farms they were farming human beings now with that if I've never seen a business person want to make a Inferior product, you know saying just to be cold and callous about it for a minute You know, you take your best and breathe to your best to make better so this I think this is why we have the you know the huge quantity of

2:28:45 these genes being manifest. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay it's heavy in their gene pool to have these things that were a desired... It was a feature! We need him to lift and carry and pick and haul so we need to look for this phenotype And we need to let that phenotype spread and see all the women Sure, this is American history like people can get frustrated or wherever but that's not talk about it. No and it's so crazy because we've gone so far to the other side that now... Because you said business people that triggered me Businesspeople businesses are making very bad business decisions based upon

2:29:34 Because I have people who sit in boardrooms, I have people who sit in the largest medical organizations and it'll be like okay we need a company who we're going to outsource this particular thing too. Here's our choices... Ah that one yeah they really are pretty white heavy so they're not they just can't tell you we can't choose them So the opposite is now happening where the decisions are being made that are counterintuitive to the success of the business Based on race it was seen that way, but what is their real goal here? Right. It's like that what is their real goal I mean it seems no What's happening today in boardrooms the real goal is to Comply with ESG That's the goal right

2:30:28 It's not to be successful. Not make money? No, absolutely! But you either do it this way or you're guaranteed to not make money so you can do a little worse or maybe 40% worse but that's better than 90% worse that's the trauma that's happening now in the boardrooms because the steady drum beat is to depopulation That's the steady, that's the steady course. They've always wanted to kill us Moe we know that not just you everybody Right and what I always say they start with it not in they start with us That that's the thing is like I'm ringing a bell like hey Yeah, I know how this go and this isn't right This isn't why people are all that's why we went back when you were saying before like you

2:31:14 You see it one way, I can't see it any other way. It's my paradigm now do I let that make me be ineffective? Do I let that make me in a state of being traumatized? No! This is reality. Just like how they deleted from what he actually said because they don't want to talk about what went on this country just like they try to shut Ye up our Holocaust. He's like, this is our Holocaust! Like shut up yay? You can't say that why can I say that everybody else and talk about their suffering because you can't shut up well you can yeah you can say it just the mainstream says no we're not gonna broadcast that. I mean they debate demand. Going before he went on saying InfoWars prior to that when he was like you know Planned Parenthood is our Holocaust you can't say that

2:32:08 No, you can't. How can you not tell what my suffering? Why cannot I tell my story? You know because they don't want that to happen Well okay so the bottom line is yes you can say it but you can say it only in certain places like on a podcast Right! That's why this is so powerful Yes but thats why podcasting is more exciting more interesting than mainstream because truth comes out Oh we'd have been stopped The phone, Boulay phones would've been ringing You bet From both sides like what the hell is going on over there? You're saying I shut it down. It'll pull the power that took us off the grid Because they don't want us to talk about this but you only can get two a note the real theories They think the counter

2:32:55 to white supremacy is black supremacy. Really when the counter is justice, you know what I'm saying? We don't want to be polar and go to the other pole with it. It's just like call it fair and that's why sports are so important because that's the one place on the field where you can call a fair allegedly Yeah, you gotta there's a lot of things you take into consideration refs people throwing games etc But yeah in general on the field is where the truth comes out Because we can see it. Everybody can see like oh that's a bad call Hey, he was out or he wasn't and I it's very clear You know saying here's the line Was he our always in? It's a definitive answer to it where everything else is objective right no subjective

2:33:42 You know what I'm saying? Sports is objective. So let's go ahead and get listen to Jimmy DeGreek being counseled in the 80s for his letting out of the truth And the fallout was very swift. I don't think The Network was left with any choice in a manner, I don't know...I don't think The Network fired him, I think he fired himself. I was trying- I was telling them how superior the black athlete is over the white one and for the reasons that- there it is, the black tries harder

2:34:18 He has made a big mistake, but then all of us do. And we have to at some point in time and people sure come try hard to forgive, redeem and move on. Not CBS! On Friday afternoon here in Washington our former colleague Jimmy DeGreig made some regrettable and offensive remarks for which he has apologized. Yesterday CBS issued a statement disassociating itself from those remarks It goes without saying that his comments do not reflect in any way the thinking or attitude to the rest of us here at CBS Sports While we deplore the incident this weekend, We are saddened that our 12-year association with Jimmy had to end this way. It's such a great psyop You know it's like everyone sees it everyone sees the balance everyone sees who performs better But that's not of course our opinion here at CBS

2:35:13 Because you can't say the quiet part out loud. Never that's that's what he said That's where he stepped on He stepped on the third rail and that's what you just can't say there And in this one more part to husbandry before we move on that people don't want a factor in but like I'm I look at things through I'm saying through a logical lens and The fact that you had This planned, you know what I'm saying? Planned reproduction going on for a better product. And then you had white genetics coming over into that as well through rape or interracial relations or however you want to look at it

2:35:53 There's a thing called hybrid vigor which I'm gonna do a whole show on this. What's it called? Hybrid vigor so what happens is when you take a white person and black person in they have a baby the offspring can have super genetics Because it's a new thing. And so when you cross two things, and the will to survive has a higher chance of having enhanced genetics which I think a lot of the Calergy plan is about. It's like let's make... Mix them up! This is why you see in this commercial mix them up we're going to super race Super Race Super Race and that's what they when you had these white geneticists come over into this already

2:36:40 planned, you know, plan genetics for black people that add it to even more. Now this is all science. This is why Meghan Markle quote unquote so beautiful or whatever you're saying hybrid vigor. It's real like I said and we got to be clear It looks over-represented because you say 85% of the NFL is black, blah blah blah. But what is it? 65 players on a team? 32 teams? Do that math! That's not a lot of people

2:37:19 And they're looking for these kids at every corner, every pop corner field. I mean they are scouring the earth for the next LeBron James. So it's like okay when you find one there an anomaly within their race. You see what i'm saying? Within their race itself! It's not like a thousand LeBron James out here to tell you how small the number is or 1000 Michael Jordans. There's only one But it's the likelihood of that being manifested through reproduction is higher because of what the shenanigans that went on during slavery. Or still go on for all we know Of course, because guess what? I mean you took me here so applaud yourself What do you think Planned Parenthood is a woman's not gonna keep a baby of a buster or lame You're saying like they gonna keep the tall attractive guys baby

2:38:10 It's still going on. Yeah, it is No, and it goes across I mean that's just that got to go to show you it goes across all All colors there because you know saying oh he's a loser or easy. Oh that was accident Is is that not the natural order of the human spirit is to Seek the appropriate mate seek it based upon I mean Women traditionally make themselves look more attractive. Men, you know... And this changes throughout time, you know? You want the John Henry like the massive kind of guy who's going to protect you and then in a different era oh we want kind of the geeky guy and then in new era we want the guy with the dad bod all these different things that are

2:39:08 that morph and change maybe through popular culture probably. But even, let's look at women what are certainly what are black men highly attractive to? Thick girls am I correct? Allegedly allegedly supposedly because that's the narrative that's why they take a Kim K and put her on a pedestal and say oh this is beauty yep You know what I'm saying? This is the media playing with that narrative. Even though Kim K's appearance is not her genetic, this is the sick part! Would you walk me through... It's like those are her genetics, that's manufactured So in a sick way The media Is doing husbandry Yes So they are infact a bunch of racist dicks

2:40:01 scientific white supremacists what they are because it's all about creating a better race, a smarter race and more fit race. And when you introduce just willy nilly sex you gotta have you're saying you got to have a counter to that. You can't have all these people having all these babies they're making I'm thinking of Obama is like well He's not exactly the right race, but he's got on ticks all the boxes. So we'll just call him black there you go correct That's a good way to look at it right and I gotta hold another show you're saying we did some of that But I had to explain that why so

2:40:45 Taboo to talk about it. You know say cuz it's a some heavy stuff in there And you're saying when the fact that we do have be able to have these conversations and with such a light, you know Bounce to it, you know is a great thing because you can't get the truth like I said all humor All jokes have some truth in it. Of course. This this is what we're dealing with right here So moving forward Farrakhan, he was at Michigan State I think back in the late 90s and they gave the student like a black student body or African Studies group that wanted to bring him there and they said no you can't bring them here. You had to pay from pay them out of your own pocket even though the university would pay for other questionable guests so he addresses that and then comes up with a possible solution to the black athletes at Michigan State. Michigan State is a great University

2:41:40 one of the finest in this nation. But each year, the black football players, the black basketball players, the black athletes contribute so much to the coffers of this university. In one football game...in one football game, Black talent gives to this university

2:42:20 millions Yet a black person that means something to black students Whether I mean anything to white folk at all is irrelevant But if I mean something to my own people The least you could do out of respect for what black people give to this institution Is to back these students in what they want This is a shame. Maybe we ought to tell all black students, let's get the hell out of white universities and build something of our own." No! No! NO! We can't have that? That's a multi-billion dollar potential loss move. That's a baller move to do that. Yeah because they had it all laid out with collegiate sports

2:43:22 You don't play the players. Right, you can work them for sun up to sundown you know we don't pay them most of them are not going on to the professional leagues but then they can monetize while you understand their actual playing of games one being the SEC is one of the biggest benefactors of this system The SEC? SEC, the South Eastern Conference. Oh I'm sorry but to me that's...SEC is Securities Exchange Commission. I'm sorry it could be! How much money is they making? But yeah Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Tennessee all these schools in the south are right ground zero for all this black

2:44:11 Genetics. Mm-hmm. This is put it like this, which makes an error because that that's where the genetics were created Exactly and they're monetizing in there not paying anything forward but enters good Well I was gonna say so in if you're really into football Uh-huh Do you look at where someone comes from? In that way like we're looking at some new recruits and I mean, do the coaches only? The scouts are they only look at the performance or they say well you know we got a good spot over here. We've had some good genetic luck over here is that play into it? Well they look at this talent but there's these hubs of talent These schools that are not like for instance one is in North Carolina called Independence All their best players across Charlotte want to go to Independence So you get like its a million plus people in Charlotte

2:45:08 You're saying a large black population. So you only have to go to these hubs But now with the event of youtube and everybody having a camera, you got filmed just on everybody but they know like I said florida alabama mississippi Louisiana going over to texas. You're saying all these are hotbed what it called uh for blue chips And they even rate them five star four star three-star athletes and they start at seven, eight nine ten years old. This is why Nike had these camps and they're recording their metrics all he runs a four two oh he can jump this high Oh we got to keep our eye on this kid over here You know saying this is why at LeBron James At eighth ninth grade Nike knew who the LeBron was because they had the Nike camp right? So then they know all he's on up because we gotta put him in all yeah Oh Yeah, oh yeah And and they Institute rules like the one-and-done just say oh I

2:46:09 We lost LeBron James. He skipped over college, no more! You gotta go to school for one year." Why? Because we said so but why does a top programmer have to go to college for one year before they can work at Facebook IBM Google? Most of them didn't even go to college But college football you you got to go school two years. Well, it's college basketball You gotta go once right? Well they a they want they invest the initial money B They're probably getting money from Nike see they want to make sure they get their money back Where they want to tie these athletes to these universities

2:46:46 Because whatever they invested in them, they're going to get better. Look at Zion Williamson. You know what I'm saying? He would have went straight into the NBA but he said no you gotta go to Duke and this is the... Conflict I had with it because on one hand you've seen these young men get an opportunity to go these and saying prestige universities get Educations just go if they have athletics don't pan out for him. You're saying they could be something, you know Meaningful in life but on the other hand that legacy is still there The way they met that's what gave Kaepernick their openness say oh yeah, they're modern-day plantation owners The imagery is there? Yeah

2:47:28 But here's the problem. You have somebody like Deion Sanders, I'll tell you what we're going to end with Prom Here is the problem. Deion Sanders came in and he said I'm gonna go to HBCU historically black college or university And now i am gonna bring that top level talent over to the HBCU with me Problem. So let's go ahead, so you start having it... I don't know why but i remember for whatever reason in New York there was the D on... Why was that? That just popped into my head There was something he would do and everyone would go D on

2:48:08 Do you remember this? Uh-uh. Okay, maybe if we get some clips I'll remember. Okay so now this is when Dion first started and got hired by HBCU Jackson State University clip 31. We're gonna go to the man who has done it all all on the field and is now making a historic move to the sidelines to take on a meaningful new challenge. NFL Hall of Famer Deion Sanders has been named the head coach of Jackson State University Tigers, and we're gonna talk to him live in just a moment all about how he plans to make an impact at this HBCU but first let's find out more about that big news from my friend Deon Sanders

2:48:47 This morning, a huge score for Jackson State University in Mississippi. Deion Sanders the football hall of famer world series competitor and two-time Super Bowl champion taking over as head coach at the historically black university It is a pivotal turning point for JSU football and Jackson State University The announcement expected to bring renewed energy to the JSU athletic program, making the school a bigger draw for potential recruits. Sanders' announcement coming on the heels of five-star recruit Makur Maker who stunned his sports world when he committed to Howard University another HBCU saying that he hopes to make the HBCU movement real so that others will follow

2:49:32 All right, I remember it's not that big a deal. It was because of course he was playing for the Yankees and the Mets fans would go like batter batter batter you know that kind of thing okay? That's what that was about yeah But you see now how he could become a disruptive figure in this billion dollar industry Yeah very And I have to say this Deion Sanders is by far one of the top athletes in American history And we're not talking about even we talk about money celebrity. I'm talking about Michael Jordan Oh, yeah Because he had the personality you know saying like he's one of those people that he make you smile by him smiling kind Of person, you know it is and he so

2:50:15 So set in his confidence, you know that it just is. It's just amazing. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I grew up watching Dion always from Florida State and he gave me high hopes when he started going to HBCU. I'm like okay that kind of figure Going to HBCU and kids you're saying gravitating towards him that could be very disruptive You want to say something before we go? No, no. I'm good. Um, I'm all ears But joined now by my friend the one and only D on Sanders Dion Thank you for joining us Congratulations to you We heard one of your players sale it does doesn't feel real Does it feel real to you and what went through your mind when the opportunity to be a head coach at Jackson State University came along

2:50:58 I was elated. You talk about a team academically that leads the FCS in APR, you're talking about a school that's unheralded 33 thousand fans which is astounding! You talking about four former Hall of Famers that matriculated from this institution. I am excited, I'm elated! I have on my whistle right now, I cannot wait to get on the grass and do some coaching." Don't blow your whistle doing this interview we don't need that this morning but you know there are a lot of schools, Big Ten Schools for instance. They have so many more resources but you decided to go to Jackson State when i'm sure he had other opportunities so this is an historic move why they're so important to you to coach at an HBCU?

2:51:41 First and foremost, God led me to Jackson State. That's what I can truly honestly say in this just sitting on that stage and looking my people in the eye and saying and proclaiming what I plan on doing with this program we have a coaching staff that has 84 years of NFL experience combined coaching and playing these kids need to level feel Just level they need to playing field level. I cannot wait for this opportunity If you give us the resources you give us the same resources that these other schools have We're gonna prove that there is a highway that takes you from Jackson State all the way into the NFL and professionalism We're not just raising professional football players were raising professionals new with a highway. That's right That's where he messed up

2:52:30 Because when you set this standard that God sends me for my people, oh yeah. He's a Christian. This is whoops Well you start tapping into that Messiah figure like I'm here You're saying the resurrect HBCU football people start believing in you and win that Dream comes to an end as you're gonna see later He gets a lot of backlash from when he decides to take his talents elsewhere Just spoiler alert, but I'm just telling you like when you start that God sent me for our people blah blah blah That sets no. Okay we got your say we got us one you're saying like yeah, do ya know you're saying it go to HBC use and

2:53:13 I think that was the beginning of his downfall for if he ever decided and then he didn't give himself any wiggle room Which I knew this give me a little history of D. Austin. It's like a quick 30-second history D. R Sanders is always done what's best for him? He came up with the term business decision That means like if our guys coming at him, he's a defensive player I'm not going to tackle him. I'm gonna try to push him out of bounds, I'm not gonna tackle him because I gotta live to play another game or another day." So this is his mentality and nothing against him. Would he say that? Would he say oh the I made a business decision is that what you would say? He created the term business decision! Fast forward...He went from Atlanta to San Francisco won a championship with San Francisco Super Bowl left from there the very next year went to Dallas their arch enemy

2:54:05 You know what I'm saying? So it's like he, he's a higher sword which i have no problem with that. If you're upfront honest with people but I understood when you start making throwing around of God sent me and I'm here to build the highway Yeah, that becomes a problem. So let's go ahead and get to the final clip before we thank some more people but then I'm gonna explain to you how it went wrong. And I am an HBCU product myself so i think this as you said gives some legitimacy to the program that does put you on the same playing field which is very important for all these young men out there. And a top prospect, McCord Maker he was recruited by some big college basketball program but he announced that he's gonna attend Howard University because it is an HBCU so do you think this is the beginning of a trend by some of these young black athletes? I'm praying so not just the young black athletes their parents as well

2:55:01 Only a kid just wants to know when I leave the inner city. Can I go to a better situation? That's why we're trying to show them how wonderful the dorms are, the training tables We have new facilities going in Jackson State University as we speak which should be concluded by June I cannot wait long as these kids know we're gonna get a better situation than whence we left they have to do it. And I'm praying that they do because we sent out a bunch of offers yesterday, some of the best were not recruiting low caliber kids were recruiting the same kids as some other major universities are recruited and we plan on landing them. All right, so you see the standard he set for himself. Yeah That was a few years ago. This is peak george floyd around that era You know in and the collin kaepernick this all in that era you're saying? So Just to give you some context How people were thinking at the time but let's go ahead and thank some more people And then we'll get it to the fallout after after uh, we thank some people I like brand new money. I just don't want any money around me It's not

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3:02:31 All right, so I gave you the brief history of Deion Sanders sports career But we got to go back a little bit further just to understand who he is and make it as a person This is from a 2002 documentary Prime time the deon center story. This is gonna go over his childhood real quickly So we can just get understanding who he is Deion Sanders grew up living with his mother and sister in a public housing project in Fort Myers, Florida. A neighborhood so riddled with crime it came with its own jail. The police decided to put a police substation right inside the project so they could take him to jail right there in the project and they put barbed wire all around...it's sort of like a prison

3:03:15 Dion saw the pain and misery of the projects from close range. His father, Daddy Buck who left the family when Dion was a child was frequently unemployed and addicted to drugs. My biological father, Daddy Buck he used drugs I've seen him with needles people in his room shooting up and those are the reasons why never chosen to drink or smoke in entirety of my life Many nights you know We lay up in the bed and we talk, you know. And I explain to him that your dad is gone but I'm here for you. A lot of times we cry but we made it. The Huxtables aren't real. You know an African-American family's... Really? I don't know anyone whose father is a doctor or mother is a lawyer. We didn't grow up like that.

3:04:10 So I rang the bell because it just goes to show you that he doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke. The worst thing is like he likes to party and have fun. Strong black man raises sons to be outstanding men I think that's why he was kind of marginalized for somebody with his, you gotta understand. Deion Sanders was the only non-quarterback to have his own video game. You know what i'm saying? That's how everything was... Nike's rise

3:04:48 was really huge with Dallas Cowboys rise and Deion Sanders rise. Him running down the sideline with that bandana on, with the Nike symbol, the Nike headbands around his neck all Nike symbols all over him but some reason they didn't elevate him like they do a LeBron or even Michael Jordan and what could it be because he's clean cut image? I just found that weird you know saying He wasn't giving the proof he wasn't given his flowers I said like that like you think he should have okay And there's reasons for that. I guess right because why are you don't fit that? He didn't didn't fit the profile Well, it's this funny thing because he came in right when hip-hop was getting big and

3:05:41 And he was one of the first hip-hop athletes. You know what I'm saying? Embracing that, you know... Didn't he even do a hip hop song? Yeah! Must be The Money! Must be The Money! Everybody knows the Dionne song. That's prime. Baseball, basketball, excuse me, baseball football pro level baseball football music video. He had it all But for some reason they wouldn't elevate him and I think the reason why because he didn't fit that negative hip-hop imagery You're saying like here. He's a preacher man or whatever you were saying like he's a goody-goody So I just want to point that out um anything else you'd like to say before No, keep up so now we get to development of prime time the actual personality and that's 36

3:06:36 As a poor kid from the projects, Deion Sanders had used school sports to steer clear of drugs and crime. Now at the age of 18 as he graduated high school, he was facing new temptations The Kansas City Royals were offering him the quick road to riches just as Florida State had offered Deion a free ride to college He thought if they can offer him 75,000 he could make even much more if he go to college. I believe in me like no other. If you don't believe in yourself ain't nobody else will and he said ma I think I'm going on the school In the summer of 1985, Dion chose to attend Florida State. By the end of his first year he was making a name for himself in three sports football baseball and sometimes track Our track coach asked him will you run in one of our meets? Oh yeah I'll run into one of your meets So he goes over there runs at a meet and whips world-class footers

3:07:40 Oh, yeah. That's the kind of genetics I'm talking about. Yeah. You see what? And there is only one Deion Sanders in this world that that's the level I'm talking about that you can just oh yeah go run and what people have been training for years...I mean that's their discipline is to run track and track takes form. They're like nah I'll just go out here running now literally just run right. I don't have any technique I'm just going to run Right, so I'm just sure. That's one in a lifetime, you know what I'm saying? One in a generation type of talent and God-given ability but he was smart enough to monetize it and you can see how he was smart enough that because they have control over the image at 37 if you would like to ask something

3:08:34 No, you rang the bell about him going to school because he could make more money. They said in that too? Yeah, yeah cause he understood like if they're gonna pay me 75 thousand to play baseball, minor league... I gotta be worth more and that lends me to my masterpie quote he was saying that I learned to live by another person that you know He didn't conform to the way the industry wanted go with music But he said they want to pay you two million. You must be worth four Right. So it's this mentality of ignoring your worth, believing in yourself and this is the kind of people we grew up looking to you know what I'm saying? Like primetime, I don't think he get the respect that he supposed to get. You know what I mean? I'll tell ya' up there with Jordan, Ali that kinda person not take away money and all personality and position He's up there with those guys. Bow right on

3:09:30 All right, so 37. Stealing a page from the school of corporate marketing, Dion created a character and gave it a nickname. He began wearing gold chains and giant rings. Dion drove around campus in his new Chrysler convertible with personalized primetime license plates talking on his cell phone all courtesy of his hardworking mother Connie

3:10:18 The top cornerback in college football hoped primetime would help draw crowds and ticket sales, convincing big league scouts to write him big league checks. He said, Ma, he said, cornerbacks isn't making any money. He say I got to do something to make plenty of money because he always used to always say a closed mouth is never fed and just created a monster But the prime time monster was more than just clothing. Prime time was also an attitude An attitude Dion created based on his four favorite sports idols. Muhammad Ali because I love this brashness, but he backed it up Hank Aaron for the way he endured those trials and tribulations of racism OJ Simpson He was juice. He took care of his life and who took care him? Dr.. J Constant professional business like what do you have a flair for the dramatics

3:11:17 Did his was his mom a momager? No, okay. And that's that's cap That's bull crap that his mama was paying for his cell phone and Chrysler LeBaron it he would drop top Christ of the Baron He was riding around it That was Florida State and this is this is they like we see I grew up ground on Ground Zero of collegiate sports in Durham North Carolina Duke you had chapel here right over saying eight miles down the road and We saw these guys, Rashid Wallace Jerry Stackhouse all them saying Grant Hill had money. You're saying his dad was wealthy or rich whatever you want to put it but these guys talking about they ain't had come from nothing and then all of a sudden they're moving their whole family down for wherever they lived in apartments and that's why I said this is it's It's a double standard if you wanna hear a little bit later that

3:12:12 His mom was paying for all, now he would say he did everything because his mom didn't have no money. Now all of a sudden she has all this money to pay for what he has. You see what I'm saying? Well that's like my... again I was 17 or 18 whenever and went to college and had no idea. For all intents and purposes I was European! I didn't know anything And I, you know, I connected pretty well with the football team and a couple of guys on the team. And he was invited to some parties and it's like oh this guy is off campus! He's got a cool pad, he's got our cars... Oh no coach takes care of that? What do you mean the coach takes care- shhh we don't talk about that. Ah okay so now i see. And it's really the boosters who take care of it. Oh yeah sure. That is just as a quick aside, we saw boosters

3:13:02 In a movie, but they put a sugar coat on it called the blind side. You ever seen that? Of course I've seen the blind side absolutely okay The movie is a lot different from reality From reality that they picked this guy up off the street and you know just brought him into their home And dad teach them how to play football That dude was already atop recruit right when when they but they brought him in there home And with the understanding that you can go to school where you want to, but we're your family. But our family and your part of our family goes to think it was Mississippi State or one of those schools, SCC schools. You see what I'm saying? This is common got a guy went to school with they realized he could play basketball real well around six seven eighth grade playing little league

3:13:58 Family moved him in. LeBron James went through the same thing and it's a phenomenon if you ever watched any professional draft, you're gonna see the family and then you'll see oftentimes the white family that you're saying like oh this is an asset. The Sandra Bullock right? I'm telling you, just watch any sports draft and you'll see it's the real family. The biological family and then there is the benefactors which I have no issue with. My issue is we need to start taking these kids in. You know what I am saying? And routing them to HBCUs. I'm not a hater but if its working... But they like to paint the blind side of it Oh! We didn't know he could play football

3:14:47 You knew exactly what you were getting when you let them in your home. And it was with the understanding that we could route you as a booster to our university, our alma mater. So when you saw the movie The Blind Side did you see it in the theater? No I saw at home. Okay so but what did you think of it? I knew exactly what was going on from the beginning! I mean like and I hate this sound like that...I really do but So what was the point of this movie? Was it just a feel-good movie? No, to popularize that method. To say it's okay

3:15:24 to bring top four or five star recruits into your home, to route them to your university. And like I said the thing about his mom paying for all that stuff we saw what Zion Williamson's mama Nike had gave her job you know what I'm saying? Like come on same thing with LeBron James' mama bought him a Hummer You know what I'm saying like where did she get the money from? So what i was saying is it's very clear And it was an old movie called The Program. The boosters come through, get that $100 handshake. Oh go down to the dealership a booster down there runs the dealership pick you out of car. You know what I'm saying? That kind of thing or you get a job you don't have to show up too and we'll cut you a paycheck that kind of thing. So I'm just saying like it's a whole system to it. To show you that Dionne was effective

3:16:21 I'm gonna skip over 38 and go straight to 39 for the sake of time. But All 30 it was saying what Dionne saying that I am a He said, people come to me. You know what I'm saying? He felt like he should have been a preacher but he's like no, I just go directly to the people and that's the thing I can say that's his personality People are drawn to him they love Prom you know what i'm saying we all love Prom I don't know if haven't met a person yet who didn't like Deion Even myself, I hated Deion when he played for 49ers Next year he comes to Dallas biggest Deon fan in the world That is just What kind of guy he is All I can remember was super charming nice guy

3:17:01 Right, with this huge million watt smile. You know what I'm saying? Yes exactly very charming very charming right so uh The show that he's a was effective at what he's doing i got an 18 second clip now nick say just because you don't watch sports Nick Saban is like the king of college football right now in Alabama out of the same alabama That we spoke about before you know what im sayin' that same university He was getting all, I mean Alabama they had guys that wouldn't even start going to the NFL. This is how stacked he was with talent. Deion came in and started becoming effective and upset his alpacard you could hear it in 38 We have a rule right now that says you cannot use name image likeness to entice a player to come to your school Hell read about it in the paper

3:17:51 I mean Jackson State paid a guy million dollars last year that was a really good division one player to come to school It was in the paper and they bragged about it. Nobody did anything about it Wow, okay Isn't that supposed to be unmentioned? You would think, I mean because...I'm telling you Coach K. Look, I love Duke basketball. I love ACC basketball but coach K was paying players not him but the boosters Dean Smith was paying players not him but the boosters all these teams pay their players one way or another

3:18:26 But the fact that when Dion started doing it and then they changed the rules recently Where these players can start using their Neil or name image and likeness to monetize themselves YouTube channels, whatever else? Now it's a new game. Now when you say the boosters, how does that mechanism work? I mean understand what they are but where... tell me how it connects to the university boosters. Well, the boosters they write checks to the universities so the universities can have... It's two ways it works is above board and below board well three ways one you can house potential recruits like The Blonde Side and route them to your univer- That's one way Let em borrow your convertible Right to you can write a huge check

3:19:12 and help pay for these facilities, where if a guy you're saying they got the top of the line nutrition, top-of-the-line training facilities. Weightless like when they get injured to have these pools they run in zero gravity pool with treadmills in them their locker room look like for Alabama. Right? To make this facility attractive for them to come too Right, not only that and here's the thing if you say to me my son he turns out to be a five-star athlete. And you say do you want him to go to Alabama or HBCU? There is a real conversation and thought process I'm getting to the third one but I got laid it out in the second one Rehab these guys tear ACL MCL all the time

3:20:08 Alabama's team doctor was the team doctor for pro athletes as well. Everybody flew down to him to get their ACLs and MCLs repaired, right? Yeah this is how serious it means like you will do a thoroughbred horse You know what I'm saying we gotta let them run! We can't let them wait if they're hurting- They're treating them like they're animals Mo Exactly. Now you see the legacy is still there, but if you like I said now if you get hurt at HBCU or small school You might go to you're saying the county hospital and your career is over. You know saying did we seen this all the time? You saw that in Friday Night Lights, you know saying with the movie would be Daniels I'm saying towards me up career over I'm just saying then the third one is that hurt all a handshake kind of thing which are laid out you understand under you're saying give you money under the board right and Recently this is kept us all off

3:21:08 Brett Favre, he was leaning on politicians to build his daughter's volleyball team a $4 million volleyball stadium. Yeah but he's Brett Favre so it's okay. Right! You know what I'm saying? But Deion Sanders you know what I'm saying like all of the sudden and it was like no harm no foul So I'm just showing you when you start coming in and being effective like Deion was He would start getting top recruits It's kind- And I had to say this is No wait save that You gotta get rid of him and what I mean get rid of them is a lot of people say the Dion sellout Did Dion sell out? I say no Dion was bought off Let's listen to clip 40 and then I'll explain to you what I mean by that Dion sense I wasn't really paying attention and then like The social media blew up people are there. No longer friends anymore a lot of

3:22:01 I know, forget about politics. a kinds of attention to the SWAC, the Southwestern Athletic Conference. Otherwise called the SWAC and HBCUs in general? Yes!

3:21:08 Brett Favre, he was leaning on politicians to build his daughter's volleyball team a $4 million volleyball stadium. Yeah but he's Brett Favre so it's okay. Right! You know what I'm saying? But Deion Sanders you know what I'm saying like all of the sudden and it was like no harm no foul So I'm just showing you when you start coming in and being effective like Deion was He would start getting top recruits It's kind- And I had to say this is No wait save that You gotta get rid of him and what I mean get rid of them is a lot of people say the Dion sellout Did Dion sell out? I say no Dion was bought off Let's listen to clip 40 and then I'll explain to you what I mean by that Dion sense I wasn't really paying attention and then like The social media blew up people are there. No longer friends anymore a lot of

3:22:01 I know, forget about politics. a kinds of attention to the SWAC, the Southwestern Athletic Conference. Otherwise called the SWAC and HBCUs in general? Yes!

3:22:41 Everybody benefited from the glare of the spotlight that he was under not only do they do a phenomenal job winning two consecutive swag titles they play in the championship game The ballgame coming up. I think is December the 17th He said he is going to finish out the deal Hey, look, he never said he was there to stay for an eternity the two issues one because the HBC use have been so overlooked and Since the NFL raided it of all of its awesome talent decades ago, he now has brought new attention there. That's a good thing they've all benefited." But I love Dion's speech when he was talking to his players. He made the point that hey in the coaching profession you are either shown the door or the few times that it happens you can walk out on your own so he's got other things he wants to accomplish and everybody is going

3:23:32 Is this ESPN or TMZ? This was a CBS This is like good morning one of those morning shows. No, I'm like yeah The main morning show whatever they have over at CBS with Gail Gale yell ship because Jim that's Jim Brown speaking um not the agent me on James Brown excuse me not Jim Brown but yes so When he said I'm leaving and going to University of Colorado, a predominantly white institution or white school. A lot of people were upset with Deion. And rightfully so because in my opinion you set the standard that I'm here to build the highway You know what i'm saying? Right! You know and we gotta be honest now is where we get begin to be honest. We all have been honest but

3:24:22 Brutally honest he set the standard that he was gonna be this change in age of the change to come in and use his celebrity draw kids and money to Jackson State, and you know all of that And then there's only two years or something it was there right right I think three years if I'm not mistaken. Oh well. I wouldn't know right well Well, I'm not sure myself thing with three years But here's a thing Jackson state let you be prom You know what I'm saying? If you go to Alabama, you're gonna be... Prime but within our parameters they let gave him car Blanche you send to be and whoever say do where we want to run the program how he wanted to and a lot of other schools didn't want it like Deion Sanders coach their school because They're like, he didn't have a college degree in all of this So the HBCU gave you your chance and then you came in with all this Messiah talk so you can't be frustrated with people Because they expect you to live up to your expectations. I

3:25:23 Now on the other hand, Jackson State didn't take care of Dion or the school and Jackson state is down there in Mississippi where they have clean water. He had to cut the grass himself like I said they couldn't pay him but this is like I said I'm kind of torn because on one hand I can see it both ways you set the standard that you did live up too But I understand who Deion Sanders really is from following him all my, I'm saying most of my life. Watching him and watching his business moves so that's the weird part about it and it's like we can never have nothing unless we start building ourselves And people are like well thats a far fetched dream not to me Now we gotta have a little more story time I went to three colleges right

3:26:15 First, I went to my parents with the Appalachian State University That's where they graduated from and all the reason they went there because they went back to school in their late 20s early 30s And that was the only place to had apartments on campus in the 80s and like actual apartments That was near where they grew up it so I grew up on a white campus You know, and they were even poking the product me then you're saying cuz I was like I went to school on campus There's like I'm never being at an Apple 2 computer. Like oh Black kid can work a computer you understand and that kind of thing I mean like looking backwards you could kind of tell, not saying in a negative way but they show interest in me. You know what I'm saying? Of course because this black face and an all-white class so my parents graduated from there both my brothers went there and graduated from there here comes my turn

3:27:07 I really didn't want to go. I really didn't want to go at all. I wanted to go to a black school, right? But it was like torn because it's like do you go where your parents graduate and your brothers and keep the family tradition or Do you go what you want to do and I went there one year And I would come to school on Monday and leave on Thursday That's how I have my classes set up and that would be back home Thursday night Because it was just I was a fish out of water. Mm-hmm. You know saying it I would just it just didn't work for me so then I go and, I tell my mom not going back to school. Like right before it was time to go ahead of school, I'm like not going back to school. Out comes the slipper! Right? You know what I'm saying? Nah she's like you're goin' to school somewhere that's exactly what she told me so then I go to UNCCU North Carolina Central University The ones that beat Jackson State recently in the championship game And I go there for a year as a you're going to school somewhere option and then end up at NC A&T State University

3:28:09 You know, and I'll just say it like this. I think every black kid in the experience that they be in that kind of nurturing environment and then weird part about on campus is nurturing but the problem is they build it in low low-income real estate around it. So you get this weird thing like you're on campus and you're doing your thing, and if you go one block over you might get robbed. And that's a reality. And that's... Deion Sanders got stuff got robbed, you know what I'm saying? Down at Jackson State. So I'm laying all this out to say, you know what I'm saying, this is why this show was important for me because I could kind of see it both ways but

3:28:48 Going back to App State. They had a football team and they were kind of rinky-dink when they first started out But they end up beating one of the biggest schools in college football, Michigan University University of Michigan And that show you if it's continual growth and building you could get to that level You know saying like you not set where you start off Everything is possible But a lot of people believe in saying go for the fast book, you know that kind of thing You know and any you it's that talented Tim kinda thing. Are you gonna hit in the next set of clips? So Did he make the wrong or right decision would you want to say something? I'm doing a lot talking cuz you know It is part. This is a personal show to me sure well all the shows are personal right? I was just saying like

3:29:33 And you certainly didn't choose the fast buck doing a podcast was what I was thinking. No, because it's the same thing! Exactly. You talk about this all the time like I could easily go and hold myself out to either side left or right And, oh you know what I'm saying? As long as I use their talking points. I could do all right! You know what I'm saying but it's like no... Autonomy is huge for me and I think that's a real problem that Dionne is going to face in Colorado and I honestly believe well save that for when we get to the set of clips but autonomy is huge for me and uh I think this is the best option The same thing with not taking a jab

3:30:17 You know what I'm saying? It's like autonomy is huge to me. That's the only way you can be a man, if you're autonomous. I agree. All right enough with story time with Moe let's go ahead and get back into 41. Why can't Deion Sanders just choose be with who he wants to be. Oh, he can go take whatever job he wants but when you come into the first job and sell the idea that you are going to be the savior of HBCUs and you are going to raise a playing field not just for Jackson State but for everybody else and your gonna do it because God told you to do it He said that Yeah he said that explicitly said that god sent him to do this OH NO! So then when you leave

3:30:56 Yeah, people are going to ask questions about what exactly it was. Now I don't go into the sellout place necessarily but i do think he's the monorail salesman from The Substance He went in and sold the big dream now if you paid any attention you knew that the dream he was selling wasn't possible It was not an achievable one that he had But he sold it and got people to believe him And then he shook the deuce and left So as you know Shannon Sharpe right? Yes You've heard his comments I want to play them for our audience because He, Shannon Sharpe has this sort of a rising tide lifts all boats. If he did it for Jackson State then maybe that helped the entire HBCU let's play this and I want your response to it. Okay good as interesting couple things there. Great! Well it is probably a good lesson that you know if you're gonna say God sent me to do something

3:31:37 You know, people are going to expect some big things. That's not exactly how it works but you know people will go oh okay well if that's the case and then the minute you decide do something else which God could have told him as well then no no that doesn't compute so that's always a risk to do that And it taps into the psyche of waiting for Messiah. It's a rampant thought, two things I want to address in one clip. One... It's a rampant thought and we're waiting on the Messiah. You know saying who's the next MLK? Who's the next Malcolm X who's it bruh you be demanding your house for your children, right I'll do this same innocent and will have continued improvement Not waiting on somebody that carry us to the promised land like Moses, you know And that's what Kaia was kind of tapping into into you understand as well with

3:32:32 With that, you know what I'm saying? I'm here for like Moses kind of thing. Excuse me yay! I gotta stop doing it but you're saying You know what I'm saying? It's like calling Muhammad Ali Cassius Clay. I don't want to be disrespectful, but it's just a muscle memory thing But you know and then the other thing is this uh... What was his name? The guy talking i know his name. I can't think of it. In the clip Yeah, I can't think it's Bumati Jones I believe it is This down with thinking like oh it's an impossible feat How?! I mean this is the thing like When you say this is the kind of downward thinking that we had to face. It's like, oh you're saying Oh, you know that's impossible Nothing is impossible You put your will to it and belief in it but that's the kind of thing like he should have been sold out That's what I'm hearing Like he just went straight past go and collected his 200 dollars And this is a justification and imma tell you this

3:33:30 this hit at home with a lot of the sportscasters. Because it's like what you were saying about the podcast, like won't you start your own podcast? Why don't you go to YouTube and start your own channel while you're out here working for ESPN?" You see what I'm saying? But they don't because that mentality is... So they said Deion a sellout by working for ESPN slash Disney who was saying we all know the history of Disney but its like whoa! Like you know what I'm saying? Yeah hello podcast. It was weird, just weird he should strike out on his own, but y'all won't. Well I mean this is mainstream media you know what do you expect from him? Uh...I was gonna say uh that wouldn't be an expectation all we're going to say it'd be at least fair i mean like y'all are working for big organizations and companies sure so well just like i said go ahead the media builds up

3:34:26 The media breaks down, the media facilitates a comeback. It's the way it always goes And we stopped at 41 or 42? We...42 is up next Okay let's go ahead and get into 40 Sorry about that Let's go ahead and get to 42 Dion did something that very few coaches are able to do He leveraged his relationships Skip No football team had more uniforms than Jackson State except for University of Oregon Under Armour, every single week they got new helmets. They got new unis. He did this with Walmart. He took $150,000 of his salary and helped finish building the facilities. He did? He leveraged his relationship with American Airlines. He brought eyes to HBCU's gift. There wasn't nobody talking about HBCU especially now! They're talking about it on television that because of him he gave you a blueprint Now follow the blueprint

3:35:21 He's saying basically mission accomplished. What do you think? Well, I mean part of it and I love Shannon to death Part of where I disagree with him is so much that was singular to Deion Sanders Like we do have to admit that he is the charismatic individual like just because Dion could do It doesn't mean that everybody else can do it That's the first part The second thing they're gonna play in the Celebration Bowl I believe next week in Atlanta against the champions of the Miyak They played in that bowl game last year. South Carolina State blew their doors off in that game Do you know the head coach at South Carolina State? Can you name a single player of South Carolina State I can't it brought attention to Dion It brought attention to Jackson state You weren't gonna bring attention To all these other schools and the time period that he was there like if he was really going to accomplish That, that's a 10-year program At least. You're saying he had to stay Yeah Alright so once again negative thinking Oh yeah One thing though is the uniforms

3:36:09 Point I want to make on that is that only difference between d1 and D3 HBCU knees in saying these different levels of football is the cameras is the uniform You know say like they can show the show element right you could shoot it a certain way. I mean cuz like when HBCU, you got like one stationary camera It was at a 50-yard line And then you got maybe a couple on the sidelines. 100% it's like Elvis performing in a circus tent I mean, you need the whole kit and caboodle to make it the spectacle that football is Right and a lot of that is the uniforms Sure...and the cameras You know we've seen this so That's one thing He did lay down the blueprint because he could have easily

3:37:01 The blueprint is bring in celebrity coaches. I don't care if they can coach football a lick or not, you know what i'm saying? I want Jerome Bettis and all these legends walking up and down the HBCU sidelines as the draw And then your staff be you're saying uh well highly trained But you're the draw, you know saying you are that's what Dion not to take away from his football knowledge What I'm saying? You're the ambassador for your school. Mm-hmm You know saying you going out doing a press runs and whatever like that now One of the things I want to talk about is one of his supporters was Walmart Walmart used Dion to push the vaccine

3:37:46 Heavy is Nobody's gonna talk like like this because they either gonna be pro prime or anti look I think prom did a good thing. I think he should have stayed longer if his goal was to build that highway But if you want to take his talents elsewhere, uh You know, I'm all for it too Because one thing is his son played for him and sons the quarterback and if he wants his son to go to a pro We go to the pros. He got to go play against, you know bigger not a bigger school But schools would get more attention right? That's the thing but Walmart they were pushing the vaccine heavy at Jackson State Dion had blood clots in his toes and lost two of his toes when I ride after the vaccine was starting being pushed crap

3:38:38 Nobody and when they fact-checked it too for you people saying He had a long history of injuries daughter that I'm like no Then whenever they fact check something That means something stinks. So I have to be honest with you like All money ain't good money Do you think that was a part of his decision to leave? I don't know, but I'm gonna say this. He should have factored in thinking about decision where he's going to Colorado how aptitude because we know how altitude plays in and can we get some value prayer for Dion you understand prime? You know cuz I don't know if he factored it in or not but Yeah So so that I just want to lay that out there and just one final point The reason why I said, I don't think he sold out. I think he was bought off

3:39:31 He's going to one of the coldest, no pun intended, whitest places there is. University Colorado having a black coach for them is nothing new they had two or three before him so it was nothing spectacular in that case what is is Nike has a long lucrative relationship with Colorado I think this was a buy Deion off so he doesn't become the change agent that he wanted to do, to start saying oh we can start going to HBCUs because what people don't understand is in colleges where you meet your agent and colleges where you meet your lawyer for these I mean these dudes are financial epicenters of the investor world. You know what i'm saying like? It's a serious industry. I mean that's obvious Right! And colleges where you meet... Colleges where you meet your wife

3:40:24 You know what I'm saying? We gotta factor it in there too. When they bring these black kids to these schools, that's higher chance for them to meet a white girlfriend or white... So all this plays into it. So I'm just saying like, I think it was a high level decision to say you heard Nick Saban look he already took one player five star player from us. Do you wanna let this keep going? You know do you want to go back to the Bear Bryant age? And that's real, you understand? That's a reality. So anything else you want to add too? I mean i know i said a lot... No this is..I'm enjoying it because this is not my territory obviously but i like it and i'm actually

3:41:09 Thinking I should pay more attention to this. This might be fun this football thing You know, you gotta do is watch you don't gotta watch the games just watch the sports news I mean like the sports media because that's what they argue about all day every day, you know saying these different Different facets of a game and how they play out in um in real life so Got the last clip 43. Let's go ahead and get into the backlash 60 minutes profiled him just like a month or two ago, and it was on that program He said I believe that God called me collect and had to accept the charges And then he said this let's play it It's a lot of folks sit back on them with Twitter fingers and talk about what they gonna do And you know want to go do it? Do what change lives? Change the perspective of HBCU football

3:42:00 make everyone step up to the plate and do what's right by these kids. Didn't he do that at least by starting it? And now, as Shannon was saying is it up to others to carry forward? I mean if you can go find another Deion Sanders Right? Like that's the thing of this is that if he was going, if you're talking about establishing something longterm right. Something that is sustainable the idea he got it started now you go do it I don't think... Aren't you making his blueprint argument because there are others who are in the NFL or former NFL players who have, who are charismatic do it and who could step into the last thirty five years telling us they able one dion sanders now he's telling us go find somebody else to do what dion sanders does you can't have this both ways i don't judge him for taking a job in colorado they probably increase his salary by something like fifteen times right i totally get that did all make sense

3:42:52 But what he did was something that college coaches do all the time, which is you have to sell people four year 10 year plans when your plan is always one year at a time. That's the only way that you could really pull that off. And so we came in and he sold a long term vision for what was going on at Jackson State but his goals and ambitions were always to be a power five head coach my take has always been He went to Jackson state primarily because he wanted to be ahead coach but didn't want to ever be anybody's assistant coach So we had to find somebody that would give him a job and make him a head coach so he could have that on his resume. And then he could take that to try to get the job that he actually wanted." Hmm, question amongst your football watching buddies is there dissent about him? Differing opinions? It's 50-50 I mean it's just a straw poll kind of thing

3:43:44 Go get the bat and one one half is go get the bag And it's like other half is like Dion let us down and that's why I'm sitting in the middle. Like I can understand with his language, and he used and you are you will get their Misconception that he was gonna be a Messiah cuz that's what he sold but on the other hand Everybody wants to be the best in their profession. You know what I'm saying? I like what that one commentator said, it's like you sell your five or ten year plan but you've always got a one-year plan for yourself and that's true because if you suck then you're out after your year And that's the thing about college football is and especially they assign you to a four-year deal You're saying but they'll have you gone in a year or two if you lose bad enough and the fun I'm glad you said that could remind me of something Colorado don't even know how they gonna pay Dion. They came out said we don't have the money just yet what?

3:44:38 Yes, look it up We don't know how we gonna pay him no I said this is a cost you have Nike backing you Not want to lose that staff. It's established route It's like natural resources Like you talk about pipelines using and that's the way actually use that language in these in college sports pipelines Yeah You don't want to upset the current pipeline with a competitor. That's what the Middle East War, you always talk about was about the pipelines. This is the same thing. They don't Nike don't want to have to deal with HBC use and they they're happy with dealing with Alabama and all established schools So they'll say okay, what's the number five million? Oh Yeah his son can come here and play dot it out of that you saying a quarterback whatever He was saying he could run at high if he wants to run it. Yeah 5.5 million Colorado admits we don't have the money yet Hello Nike come help

3:45:40 Exactly. Exactly, in fact that's an open call right there that's basically hey Nike but I don't know man Adidas you guys interested? Yeah here you got literally like yay Kat! You know this sounds like it wouldn't just have to be Nike anybody can come in and do it now Right which which I have to look back at my people and say y'all dropped the ball Deon Sanders supposed to be coaching for Howard University and one of their preeminent HBCUs right now instead of Jay-Z being a point 1% owner You could be a chain, and I'm not spending nobody else's money. You understand that don't take me wrong But if you talk about solutions

3:46:16 Y'all should go in and build the Sean Carter Athletic facility you're saying on Howard and it's a shot of Sean Diddy Combs. You're saying Athlete department no down and wherever Beyonce basketball court as all what was cool stuff we can do exactly because guess what that would tip the scale but They know what's up, and they know they can't upset the apple cart like that's part of being the boule you can't bring about real change You say you had to bring about. You know acceptable change And in and that's that's all I got to say about But it just like is a fascinating and to think the Jerry Jones in the in the Diocese under store was going Parallel at same time that at the same time saying insane well

3:47:05 You have confirmed all my belief about professional sports. That's for sure and given me more insight into Into how it works in America I'm sure it's the same in and all in all sports to a degree but man we are unique aren't We were you need how we abuse race for? Everything is the greatest mechanism for our mind control well For people who made it to the end here of this episode of MoFax with Adam Curry, your mind is clear. You're not controlled you've got some... Some shielding now as usual and we hope to bring a lot more of that in the coming year in 2023 and mo I really appreciate what you do every single time on this podcast. I really love doing it with you brother And I appreciate every every second We record together Adam because they're saying is this a it's a wonderful time but as I always say

3:48:01 Pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we will see everybody back here next year, right here on Mo Facts with Adam Curry episode 89 coming up in January make sure you stay tuned to the socials when we announce it! Mo man have a great and very happy new year We'll talk to you in 2023 brother Alright same to you Adam Everybody else See ya soon On Mo Facts with Adam Curry ♪

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