55: Trappers Delight

00:01 In Mofax with Adam Curry for December 7th, 2020. This is episode number 55. I'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas. And from somewhere in Northern Virginia, fresh new member of the 40 Club. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Mofax. Celebration. Come on. It's a celebration. Hey Moe, man, 40, you baby. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. You made it. You made it. I did make it and as I teeter on the hill, I'm not over it yet. I'm teetering for this year and then I'll be over the hill. But I'm 40 and I feel great. And you have a nice celebration at home? Did your family come over, hang out? I have to explain to people for one second. From

01:06 The last from the 28th of October until January 1st, it is like one big blur. Because I have my two daughters birthdays, we have Halloween, Thanksgiving, my dad's birthday was the 27th of November, then mine's the 4th, my brother's the 9th. So it's just been one big, for no pun intended, celebration and Man, we turned up, me and my wife and the kids. You know, thinking about that, maybe you should just gather the whole family and go on a cruise for six weeks and do it all in one go. Just party every night.

01:46 We might just do that for now because it's a wild time. I mean, it's a great time, but it is a wild time around here in the around the Facts House. So, oh, very good. I'm happy you're happy and good health. And man, I'm glad that we're back on the microphones because I've been jonesing to talk to you. It's been just a tad over two weeks. So I'm excited. It's a highlight. I've been jonesing too in this topic that we're gonna cover so we can jump right in it because I have a pretty full bag. No! Just before I spin the wheel of topics, I've noticed in the parlance that the term bag can be used very universally. So we have we got the bag with the money, we got the bag with the money when you're getting caught,

02:39 And you got the bag which is, I don't know, MoFax doctor kit of goodies. So bag is pretty darn universal. I mean, it's another one where when you're in your bag, that's like when you're in the zone or you're doing your thing. So let's get in our bag here, ladies and gentlemen. Let's find out what the topic is going to be for MoFax with Adam Curry, episode number 55. knows we the wheel of topics will blows except Moe of course he knows exactly what it is the topic for episode 55 is how do you know when a mindset has become a mind trap ooh lots of mind stuff in there mindset mind trap mind control I'm all over it so you might need to get your passport for this Adam because I'm gonna take you on a trip to the trap

03:25 All right, I'm good to go. So there was a cultural event that happened maybe two, three weeks ago, probably unbeknownst to you, but it was on Instagram and it was the versus battle between Young Jeezy and Gucci Mane. I heard of it, of course, had no idea where to look for it. Twitter did not bleed it into my feed, so I completely missed it. It was 2 million live viewers, or almost 2 million. I think it did clip 2 million live viewers on Instagram. Wow. And then you got to factor in all the other subsidiary streams, people streaming it. Is this an annual event? This comes back every year? No, actually this is one of the great things that came out of the whole COVID situation.

04:20 So let me explain versus first. So he can get into that. And that's V-E-R-Z-U-Z, right? Versus. That's correct. It was put together by Swiss Beats and Timbaland. And what they do is they take two celebrities that are somewhat equally matched or have somewhat similar catalogs. I think it's 20 songs per piece are played And, you know, it's kind of like a friendly battle. Yeah. But this one was a different this one had a total different context. But wait a minute, is it like a rap battle? Like the old Kiss FM Los Angeles days where you throw down against each other or is it something else?

05:07 You say that again? Oh, you were breaking up? Oh, I said is it is it like one of the old rap battles from the late 80s? You know kiss FM Los Angeles or is is this something else is this just a pure DJing no no no no you actually have the two celebrities there. Yeah For instance they had I think Pala Bell and um Gladys Knight, I think those are Wow okay, so that's a match and where they and what do they do then? So they play one song from Patti, one song from Gladys, or I mean you had Timbaland. I forget all the ones that we had. The biggest one I paid attention to was the RZA vs. DJ Premier. Right, right. But then the production. What do you do? How do you win?

05:52 The people decide. And how do they decide? I'm just drilling down, Moe. I really want to understand. I know, I know. I'm assuming that you, this is why we do this. Yeah, I have no idea. So, okay. I mean, it's like American Idol where you got a text and call vote or people yelling and screaming on the floor. No, it's strictly social media fault. There's no score kept. Everybody has their own scorecard. Oh, okay. I get it. Oh, that's even better that way. I like it. It is because it creates a bunch of who actually won and it's people score. It's like boxing. I mean the best analogy of boxing. Well, how about it could be boxing or politics. It's the same thing.

06:33 Everyone yelling for one or the other. It depends on how you count it, yeah. Exactly. Was this done in the politician voting way or was this done in the boxing way? Yeah, it was done in the boxing way where everybody has their own card. Got it. And you might score it, let's see, 11-9 or you know because it's like I said, I mean, excuse me, Yeah, 11 9 because it's 20, it's 20 songs and they run them down one back one against the other. And this is amazing that you never heard because this is big. This was like the biggest.

07:13 uh, celebrity event and uh, quote unquote black uh, fear. Are you confused with Adam from 20 years ago who was supposed to show up and see that? No, I'm surprised it didn't bleed over. No, not at all man. It did not bleed over. You're gonna be surprised. Once we get into it, you'll see how big it was. No, I'm sure. I don't wanna. So to give background, we have Young Jeezy and Gucci Mane. They are two trap rappers and some may say they are the king of trap and this is what this was going to decide but they also have a bad blood between them. So that's what we're going to explore and then also we'll explore the political implications and the social implications and all of that. So I don't think anybody covered it from the point that we're going to cover it from.

08:04 So, uh, but I guess we need to warn people. This is a hardcore rap. So I guess we need to warn people at this point. Some viewers may find the following disturbing. Viewer discretion is advised. We always try to keep it family-friendly. We get a lot of comments. I certainly try hard. I know Moe, you barely cuss, but this may be a little more on the edge because of the content, because of the clips, and that's just a fair warning for those who maybe want to screen it before you let your kids hear. Correct, but I will say this. It is very pertinent to a lot of people's kids because as you know, they're watching trap rap is the most widespread form or genre of rap right now. So it's not like your kids are not exposed to this type of music. So we're actually this warning is for you parents as a trigger warning when you find out what your kids are actually doing when you're not looking. Got it.

09:08 Correct. So what we want to do is get into a little background about the trap itself. And this is Atlanta 1.1. Hi, it's Thomas. Welcome to Atlanta, the city too busy to hate. Drug trafficking hub for the East Coast and the home of trap music. Trap music is like crack baby beats, that's what we call them.

09:47 When a rapper's rapping, you should be able to smell the dope cookie. You should be able to see the fucking dope cookie. You should be able to visualize and see that shit. Atlanta's history is intimately tied up with transportation. When it started, it was at the end of all the railroad lines in America. Then Sherman came in, burnt those all to the ground, and they just kind of replaced them with highways and plopped the biggest airport in the world on top of everything. So it's basically where every road in the East Coast comes through, which makes it an ideal spot for drug trafficking. Ah, hey, hey. Off the bat, we're into the good stuff.

10:47 So we're back in Atlanta. Yes, exactly. That was Curtis Snow and he's famous for making I think the Netflix movie Snow on the Bluff and if anybody wants a visual representation or a account of what the trap is you may want to check that movie out. Of course it's adult content so just beware but as he said it's very chaotic The music is it's very gritty and it was birthed out of the trap house. So the trap house is similar to what they used to call the crack house and the trap itself is basically the drug drug subculture in Atlanta and other southern states and I want to juxtapose that because

11:42 I'm from the south, so we didn't really have the project buildings like in New York and those things. You had more neighborhoods and houses and that kind of thing. So that's what became the trap in the drug trade. And that's... So as in those city blocks or those streets They were just, it was all drug trafficking so that whole area was the drug track for everything that was going on there. Yeah and it's not the whole neighborhood you might have one or two trap houses in the neighborhood but we're gonna get a further explanation but I want to set people up to see where we're going here and like they said Atlanta is one of the main hubs because you have all the major

12:28 interstates right run through Atlanta right so that and then you have the you know the largest airport airport in Atlanta so all of these things play into creating the trap so we're just gonna give a little background on the environment and how it birthed the music and then how the music birthed these two artists and then their conflict is going to be a microcosm of what goes on in these communities. Okay, so good. This is decoding the quote-unquote urban CNN. All right, so I guess we can get into Atlanta 2.1. I mean, it's gonna be 1.2. We keep hearing about the trap. What is the trap?

13:14 It's just what it is. It's a trap. Someone you can get caught up in, god damn well who? It's a one way in, one way out. That's a trap. Yeah. A trap got to be... A trap gonna be just what it is. It's a trap. Oh, man. Yeah, it's a trap. It's just a trap. That's why it's trap music. Exactly. Wherever the trap is, the studio. Yeah, shit go together. It's hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. Can't have the trap without the studio, without the dope. The dope is what inspires the rap.

13:50 Now what happened when the guys from Detroit came in, like BMF, do you remember them? Them boy got them just throw parties everywhere. You know, everybody had dope. Everybody. Okay, I have a question. I'm a big fan of associating music with drugs.

14:26 And so, you know, 60s, 70s, marijuana, we had disco, cocaine, we certainly have a rave culture with MDMA, molly, ecstasy, etc. In trap, what's the dope of choice? Well, the dope to sell is crack and pills. Then you have the drug to use in the trap became prescription drugs, anti-bars, lean, which is the cough medicine that they pour with soda, weed of course, and then Molly. Molly is a large part of trap as well. So, and please ask a lot of questions because I don't want to make any assumptions because I don't want you to bounce off from me. That way the audience is not, or the producers are not lost

15:21 I don't make any assumptions. Sure. So just so you said something interesting the drug to sell versus the drug that's used so is that two markets people are coming in to buy and they're just coming into the the trap neighborhoods the trap house to buy and they're going away that's different they're not selling to the to themselves yeah me yeah of course but then you have you won't have a trapper using crack. I mean they will, I mean it's a thing called a table habit so when you're tasting to make sure the potency is there you may pick up a habit but it's not like they're actively smoking crack. So they have a different appetite than what they sell. Okay so I'll ask to you succinctly just for my own edification. What is the drug of choice when producing the music? Clean and weed.

16:23 Lean and weed and lean was the the cough medicine you mix with soda. Yeah the purple and that's what you heard purple Mm-hmm. This is when I saw Okay, a little a little let's take a sidebar here. Sure. So lean lean came out of Texas way back We're talking about you GK early 90s, but it didn't really explode into what it is now Until maybe the early 2000s are you GK? Yeah, Underground Kings. Thank you. That's Bun B and the late Pimp C. The late great Pimp C. Let me put some respect on Pimp C's name. So these are the godfathers of trap music. Them Scarface from Ghetto Boys. They're the godfathers of trap music. But it wasn't trap then. But the... See, hip-hop is very regional. And the down south artists look to other down south artists for influences.

17:24 They don't really mess with New York artists like sure so okay, and that's why I say you GK and Garface Luke to some To some extent from to lock crew those are the godfathers of trap music Oh, let me not forget three six mafia. You see what's it cuz I want to get on a picture with What's interesting is that? and and I say this because the real The whole rave culture and DJs making millions of dollars a year is interesting because the DJs, as far as I know, are clean as a whistle. They're nerds. They used to study mathematics and crap like that. So they make this music, as far as I know, completely sober.

18:13 But it's consumed often in large settings, raves, arenas, etc. And Ecstasy and MDMA and Molly, they're really designed for that kind of music. So it's interesting when you have perhaps a different drug being consumed while producing it versus the people who are listening. But is that also lean and weed for people who are just in, who are enjoying trap house, trap music? Yes, yes. But the majority is... I mean, like I said, I gotta try some of this lean then. I mean, I'll see what's going on. No, you don't. No? Are you sure? Because I'm experimental, Mo. I'll do something. I don't care. Well, I mean, for one, they took the purple off the... I think it was activists.

18:58 It was the purple when they took it off the market due to Justin Bieber. So when he started, it got to that height of celebrity. And so they pulled it off the market. And I think it was activists if I'm not mistaken. But anyway, it's basically cough syrup with codeine in it. Little Wayne's known for it. This is when you saw the styrofoam cups. Yeah, okay. Yeah, these things you probably seen them pop up, but you didn't understand what was no idea Trayvon Martin case was surrounded around lean really and that's why his iced tea and the Skittles that thing yeah that mean that popped up because that's what they do they pour it pour up with

19:42 You put the... I never use lean, so this is third-party... You're reliably informed, yes. Right, so basically you have ice, you have your cough syrup, you pour up with some soda. Sprite is usually the choice soda, and you put candy in the bottom of it to make it sweet. So that's what that was all about. Holy crap. Yeah, that's why I want us to do this show because this is why and we excuse me lean got so widespread all across of Africa lean epidemic and I'll show you the power of hip-hop. Yes way. Yes way. This show you the power of hip-hop as a vehicle to take a message globally

20:34 And this is part of the reason why I want to do this episode and do this show and I handle it with care. I just don't want to talk about the battle and we're not going to talk about the battle very much. It's just like pre post battle and the implications. So yeah, that's where lean popped up at. Yes, is our is another yeah, okay cool. I'm putting this in the show rank is drank trying to think any other names Purple was the big like that was the most popular one and you couldn't see I'm I'm a little after that when trap hit I was maybe early to mid 20s So I was still consuming the music but I had already my taste had been defined so trap was it really my thing and

21:22 But when you're listening to mixtapes, all you started seeing on mixtape websites is purple, purple, purple. Everything was purple. Interesting. Well, of course, cough syrup is an opioid. You know, it can be addictive. There's no doubt about it. And cough syrup is not new because even though I mentioned before today Rose up in the 90s and the 70s they were drinking it cuz my dad would tell me about it And it had a different name to it. I'm trying to think the name he used to refer to it He was like, oh no, we were doing that back Yeah, I think they put some in cough syrup to make you sick now if you drink too much of yeah Well, they've also made it harder to buy and I want to show you another thing This is just me my perception. I have no proof to make this statement. I

22:14 But I noticed Nightquill came out with a product that was not cough syrup. No, it was called Z-Quill. It was to make you sleep. Z-Quill. And what color was it, Adam? Purple! Thank you. Wow! I remember my daughter saying, oh, I want some Z-Quill. I'm like, what? She was pouring up. Yeah! And she said, get me some Z-Quil and Solo Cups, Dad. I'm like, okay, whatever. No, I'm just kidding. But this is really interesting because this is an epidemic that is not spoken of at all.

22:53 Everyone's talking about weed and heroin and this is I mean, I thought this was honestly the cough syrup thing Honestly, I'm always honest with you the cough syrup thing in my mind was like a and I'll just use the terms Okay, white trash Cooking it to to make a really poor man's white trash meth that is my That's the only real thing I associate cough syrup with in an abusive way. Yeah, that was the, I forgot what it's called, but they put it behind the counter and you can only buy like two boxes at a time. Exactly. No, this is actual prescription. And the other thing is it was prescription. You had to have a prescription to get to it. Got it.

23:40 I mean, it made it to the streets in large quantities and nobody asked any questions about it. So that lets you know how these pharmaceutical companies really get down. You were going to say something? No, no, no, no. That was just me going. Boing, boing, boing. And the other thing is... All right, we're done, Bo. I've learned enough for today. I don't need to know anymore. 24 minutes of show. Perfect, everybody. All right, so let's not belay with a lane point, but that was a good question about the drug of choice. I guess we're getting right into 2.3. And what better guide to take us through Atlanta's underworld than The Double?

24:22 Oh, he gonna give you the hooter pass. He can go anywhere. He's certified. You ain't got to worry about getting your cameras took, your car took, none of that. Y'all don't see it anywhere before. Why'd you guys nickname him the devil? Look at him. Seriously though, The Devil has spent the last decade working with rappers from some of the city's seemiest neighborhoods and documenting life in the traps that gave Atlanta its scene and that scene its name. Where is Pink City? Pink City is gone now. But Pink City was on Hilliard Street between Edgewood and, um, Auburn. And that was like the last of the Mohicans for like a really rollin' ass Atlanta trap. Like, I pulled up that shit was like... fuckin' zombie movie. You know what I mean? Now wait a minute, they're discussing certain, uh, trap houses?

25:23 Just areas in Atlanta that would that were traps. I mean that were real trap So I played that clip just to show you that there's levels to it the rappers that you see That actually make trap music a lot of them don't even go to the real trap. Sure. Of course. They don't they don't have hood passes No, that's knobs that's a real thing and And let me explain why. I mean, I'm going to try to do this in under a minute. Yeah, go for it. A hood pass is basically for like artists. So when artists come to town doing shows, because when you do shows, you're not doing the big arenas. You're doing clubs and those kind of things. Calls have to be made. Hood taxes have to be paid to get your hood pass. So you don't get shot.

26:16 Well, so you don't get accosted and your taxes are collected by force. Got it. And what kind of tax did I expect for a hood pass? That would be negotiated by the size of the star. Like I said, you had to, like I said, they had, they had, they had what I'm thinking of the term they use, but basically you had to make calls before arranging visits to that town. Wow. To let everybody know, hey. It's just like the mob. It is. Well, of course it is. Yeah. Let me see, drugs, payoffs. Sounds like organized crime.

26:59 Yeah, and in the previous clip, I think in 1.2, BMF, a black mafia family was mentioned, which is the crew of all crews in popular culture. But we'll get to them later on in the show. I guess the question I have is a trap house. This is where people also, so I mean, will the trap house have 10 people, 100 people? I mean, how big are these? Are these mansions? Are these run-down slums? Just give me a picture. Okay, so what you have normally is, you know, the smaller houses and low-income communities. And you don't have that many people, and I can say this on good account because I've, let me see, I can say this.

27:45 Had a very very very very close family member that had a trap house Okay, and usually what goes on in there is a lot of NBA 2k where at the time it was NBA live when I was Frequenting well this place a lot of weed smoke And You do your transactions out of the house right and you do the processing but then you have a Does the house take a piece of the transaction? No, the house is ran by the whoever's transacting. Got it. Right. And then you have several different trap houses. One guy might have several different trap houses. And the reason why I say this, even though I grew up in a middle class

28:35 Lower middle class, I was right above lower middle class. My dad was a teacher, my mom was a social worker, so they didn't make a lot of money. But they made enough not for us to have to live. And you know, urban hoods, quote-unquote pips hoods. But with family and those kind of things, you would go to neighborhoods and be like, oh that's the trap house. Now in Atlanta there was a specific type of trap house called a bando and a bandos was short for a bandit. So they would go in to a bandit house

29:12 Hook up power water, you know turn the water back on. Yeah with it with the right with the the key to the city what they call it and Get things popping so the the my version of this when I was young is Someone would have weed And then we go to that someone's house whose parents weren't there. And it could easily be 10 guys. Never girls. 10 guys, we sit around, we smoke weed, and then we watch the Faces of Death video or maybe Diana Ross in the round. I don't know why, I just can't remember that for some reason. And you know, we see like, oh man, and this is teenager stuff. But it wasn't organized. But the guy who had it would also sell to you. So it was, I guess, a version of that.

29:59 And they're really professional because they level the trap houses like I mean everybody calls it a trap if you a low-level dealer You're not gonna have your house set up in the way that a real Trap star right we'll have it set up and that's what the bars in the window windows the impenetrable Safe room in the back. He's got the ladies processing the cash. This is my movie. I Right, that's the image of, you know, that's painted and it was painted by movies because the cooking up with women with no clothes on, that came from New Jack City. That's exactly what I'm thinking of. Exactly. Yeah, I want one of those rooms. And then, you know, you have, okay, so you have New Jack City, Menace Society shows you how to cook crack. Yeah, those are not movies, those are instructional videos, basically.

30:53 Exactly so Just to just to lay it out what's going on here, and we're headed somewhere But let's go ahead and get into 2.4 crackheads and shit shit in the middle of street like it was like an extended stay motel Maybe 17 or 18 rooms and the only motherfuckers in there were dope boys and smokers so like When you went in there, that was a real trap. You know what I mean? They're not gonna open the gate unless they know who you are, know what you're doing, know what you want. Like around the world, people are using the word trap. They don't even know what the fuck that means. You just get trapped in it? I don't know. How do you... Where did the word trap come from? I'm not even sure. I mean, I don't know either. But we just know that's a genre of music around here. Wait a minute. Is this a white girl? Yes. And a white guy. It's a little bit like The Beats. The Beats?

31:45 It's an Atlanta concept because Atlanta was developed around railroads. There's a lot of one-ways and dead-ends. So when you pull into a one-way or a dead-end, you go down to the end of the street where they're selling dope at, that's a fucking trap. Because if they draw down on you at the end of the street, you're fucking stuck. Pink City may have been paved under to make way for lofts and brunch spots But Atlanta has no shortage of other traps resisting the crush of gentrification Okay, got it so so the The layout of the city and how the neighborhoods are configured one ways those kind of things made a man to help where tracks are yeah I made it perfect for this right

32:29 And there was one hotel in Durham, where I'm originally from, it was right behind the police department and it was one of those kind of hotels where you pay by the day, and you know, it's kind of that seedy... You think? Yeah. But it was allowed to happen and it's not the city of Durham, I can't remember the name of it now, but people from Durham know what I'm talking about. And it was allowed to be. And it was, I mean, cause like you can set up a trap anywhere to be honest, but I don't want to get go, go on down that rabbit hole. But now we have to get into who invented trap music. And there's a lot of argument about this. Let's play the clip and then we'll come on the backside of the, see who actually invented trap music. In 2017, rap and R and B surpass rock as the biggest genre in the U S based on album sales and streams. And trap is arguably rap's most popular sub genre.

33:23 That means millions of Americans of every shade right now are listening to music that invokes the cultural legacy and ongoing struggles of segregation, structural racism, and urban violence. When you think about somebody like a T.I. right? He talks about the consequences of what it means to be a trapper. And he uses the music to kind of work through that. This is really interesting to me how everything is all trap everything. And I'm like, I mean, I joke with my students. So it's like you have trap yoga, trap and paint, trap karaoke, trap water. And I'm like, I mean, I am a trap purist. I really need to get a shirt. It's just basically me sitting on the porch, so to speak, and being like shaking my fist like, no, this isn't, this isn't trap.

34:05 But I'm slowly but surely coming to grips with the fact that trap music is now trap aesthetics, because it does have that kind of distinct print that can be used to update or remix other genres that are already in place. But I also wish that folks would also basically give receipts and credit where credit is due. This just didn't come out of nowhere. Trap didn't just come out of nowhere. You know what I'm saying? Ah, man, I got to open a trap karaoke bar in Austin. They probably are a beach of two. I'm sure they are. It's just perfect. Because it's been monetized so much, they have, like she said, trap water, trap yoga. Right. All the commercials now have trap music. Yeah. When I hear someone say systemic racism, I'm thinking, okay, trap's been hijacked probably.

35:01 Very very long time ago and it started with these two gentlemen in the verses But so let's just have a quick conversation on who started trap Alright, so some people say T. I started trap because he had an album his I think his first album called trap music But who brings to mind the first trapper? I remember seeing was cool breeze He used to be with outcast and he kind of set that model For you know, like the Atlanta trap trap or was trying to trap boy. So Yeah, so I mean it's just who and then people some people say well Gucci man started it and other people say well Jeezy Made it popular and this is where the crooks comes in of who birthed trap music also, I want us to make one more point and then we can move on and

35:54 It always troubled me that it was called a trap. I'm like, hello, is the irony lost on you that it's called a trap? You're playing with your life one way in, one way out. Like the man said. Or dead end. Right. So that's why I was... It's weird because Me coming up. I was list. I listen to outcast and goody mob and they were from Atlanta and They looked at the trap as a negative So when especially the out couldn't it wasn't the outcast wasn't their whole vibe to be positive and upbeat Yeah, but well, but while being realistic I mean they didn't sugarcoat it right there like yeah, we know these are the things but it's um

36:45 We got to do better like one of their famous songs would get up get out and do something right so They were always positive. So when I started to hear this Quote-unquote trap music come in I had mixed feelings about it cuz I'm like I grew up thinking this But at some point crack was made cool And I think that really gained popularity with Jay-z there was a lot of drug dealer rappers before him I'm not saying that But he laid down the blueprint of sell drugs, get famous, take that money, huh? Yeah, sell drugs, take that money, get famous. Yeah, flip it, no, flip it into your music career. Right. And that's how you get out. I mean, it's like, get in, get your money, start a label, and then you could be successful. And that's what Curtis Snow was referring to. You know, the money,

37:44 Like drug dealers would fund rappers. They were looking for rappers to fund like, oh you can rap? You can claim our set. You can claim my crew. We'll put our chain on you. And the chain is very important. The chains are, people think these chains are just jewelry. No, no, no, no. They are very important. You're gonna hear why later on but That's kind of how this whole thing started Happening because you had a guy's with a bunch of money that will look in the laundry So it's like let's start a label who who was really that? Yeah, I understand the content. I understand The lyrics but really the beats really the music which is very distinct and

38:30 Who would you say was the beat master that started that in track? So you had the Ada Waite come from Miami, the sub-bass. And then you had the, you know, the hi-hats, the triple hi-hats. Who started it? Well, you got DJ Toomp. He gave us the T.I. flavor of trap music. But Zaytoven, I want to say... It's a but I don't you got about to get me killed because it's I don't want to give credit to the wrong people. That's okay. Yeah, it was it was several different producers that that had artists they work with that they'd stylized their type of trap. Okay, but I would say Zayto, okay, let me explain this the trap music that we hear popular now is

39:27 was birthed by Zaytoven and Gucci Mane. There was another trap like Shorty Red and Jeezy, which was probably the most commercial successful trap music there is, but it didn't take hold like Gucci Mane's trap music. And all this is important, but I know people are like, why are we talking about rap music and trap music? Is it too early for me to talk about Krunk? Because that I do know. Well, Krunk was predated Trap ah okay, which that was little John and Esau boys that energy that was crunk

40:07 So but when the lean comes in that doesn't really mix with with With the crunk so that's when you get this slow down with the double hi-hats and really chop this screw played a lot into this too That's from Houston Where they would slow the music down really slow and this is like the effect of drugs having on the music and a taste But yeah, so okay. I don't want to get caught too much into the weeds of it, but that's the history of trap and Now I want to, oh well, we got one more clip and we're going to explain how historical decisions actually created the geographical trap in Atlanta. We talked to Kevin Cruz today about his article and his book White Flight to see if we could find any solutions to Atlanta's traffic problem. The rise of the modern expressway movement, the interstate highways in the 50s, really obviously a post-war transformation and that hit

41:01 American cities at the same time a lot of them are wrestling with issues of segregation. Cruz says there are two ways constructing highways played into segregation. Making the highway so that it destroys poor black neighborhoods or make a highway that separates them from white neighborhoods. Local officials have a say in where these roads get placed and it shouldn't be a surprise that as they're thinking about where they're going to drop highways and destroy neighborhoods, they invariably single out what they see as the worst neighborhoods in their communities. And these are overwhelmingly poor communities and most places these are overwhelmingly African-American or in some places Latino neighborhoods. The split is most noticeable along I-20. A report from the Georgia Historical Society says that while deciding the route of I-20, the Atlanta Bureau of Planning said it would be the boundary between white and African-American communities.

41:51 But that logic in mind is how you get the kind of the contorted and weird ways in which the highways in Atlanta and other cities take place. It only makes sense if you're thinking about just from a pure traffic facilitation standpoint, we would put it in this way. Yeah, Austin, Texas is a great example of that, where we have I-35, sorry, No, go ahead. Yeah, we have I-35 going right through town and Eastside has always been poor, pips black. That's where I live and to be honest we have a bit of a trap problem here, but not so much trap houses, but we got a lot of people who got high-powered stereos in their cars and they like to congregate at night and the bass rattles my windows.

42:38 That's the trap. That's the 808. The 808, that's the... The drum machine. That is the not only the drum machine but that bass. Mm-hmm. That is the signature sound that and the triplet hi-hats That is a signature sound of trap music that don't yeah, and you gotta have big speakers in your car to play the thumb Yeah, and that's a southern thing because in New York you didn't have cars so you would listen to your music in like on boombox or our headphones Down south we had cars because you had to have a car to get around. You didn't have public transportation like you do in the north. So the first thing you did was get

43:20 Speakers. I don't care how raggedy the car was. You got some speakers, right. You had to get some speakers and get your crossover. Play your music loud. You got to have the amp, you know, the crossover, the tape deck, the CD deck. Just as an aside, I forget it was in the Netherlands and it was at the height of my television career there. And somehow I was paid to do an appearance at a a car show that was specifically for audio. Now I'm talking 80s, when it was just starting with the crazy ass amps. And I remember there was a contest and for some reason I participated, sit in the car for, I think it was two minutes at full blast. And I think it actually did something. I mean, here I am with hearing problems, but it was unbelievable. It wasn't so much the sound, it was just how your body vibrated.

44:17 And that's part of the sense of course, and that's so for some people that's desired my brother He had a Cherokee and he had like two 15s in it with like a thousand watt amp And it would it would basically take your breath. Yeah, it was hit so hard Yeah, so I mean that is a real Stupid shit we do as humans. I'm never never cease to be amazed. Well. It's a mating ritual sure and That's exactly what it is. You come pull up, you thump it, you get people's attention. So it's attention seeking. That's a mating ritual irrespective of color. Yeah, so I just want, I mean, all these things have

44:59 Subtext to it. It's just not I mean, that's a lot of things a lot of time people just look at the surface and make judgment and Don't really want to get into the weeds, but that's what we're gonna do. That's what we do here We want a week-to-week basis show to show basis, but Specifically this show because there's a lot to get to it. So Atlanta was the Mecca of the South and When you lived in the South, you didn't say, I want to go to New York and make it. It was, I want to go to Atlanta. What is Atlanta doing? That was the sister city to like Charlotte, North Carolina and Durham. And the same thing you saw there, how they said the highways destroyed Atlanta, Durham freeway destroyed Hayti and Durham. It ran right down the middle. So in these next set of clips we have where the Atlanta and trap effect

45:52 is spilling over into small towns. Police say gangs are no longer just an inner city problem and it exists in small towns too. The LaGrange gang unit took Fox 5's Natalie Pozzo through some of the violent street gang areas and Natalie, detectives tell you that gangs have always had a place in small towns. Sine Tom, the gang unit with LaGrange, tell me the structure for gangs in the city have always existed. A few guys getting together and vowing to protect their neighborhood.

46:34 Investigators say when known gangs like the Bloods or the Crips in larger cities like New York and Chicago find out about the structure, they offer their support, becoming more widespread. It's a place where children play, an innocent scene. It's also a place where innocence is lost. Police say places like these basketball courts can be a recruiting base for violent street gangs. We were playing basketball and a young man like 16 or 17 walked up to us and asked if we wanted to be in the gang. 14-year-old Damond and Dion Woodard and 13-year-old Jaylen Parham and Dyleek Smith say they were approached by a gang member at the LaGrange Housing Authority's basketball court.

47:23 So, so these gangs, well, it started from the north, right? When you had all this supply and, and it was a saturated market. It's like, where do we go? So it was a term called going down south in New York and other places. They would go to DC and DC and New York has a. rivaled it, I mean, there's still a rivalry that goes on to this day. Even in Durham, we don't really care for New York people because the people you came encounter with from New York, not all, but some, wanted to come in, set up shop. Yeah, take over the business. As like a franchise. It was a, well, it wasn't any takeover business, it was a drug franchise, right? I mean, have your mom and pops thing going, it's like, hey, I want to bring a McDonald's in because I have

48:17 this all this inventory so I can drop the price down. Yeah, go ahead. Well, no, just a thought that crossed my head is that somewhere along the lines in this episode people are going to realize how important the corrupt banking system is. This is exactly why UBS, HSBC, The bank existed, they were laundering billions of dollars, billions. I've always said that 2008, the great recession,

48:57 If we didn't have a drug trade, you and I would not be talking right now. This country, most countries, need drugs to run. The system doesn't work without it. And we're talking about, you know, the on-the-street level, but this goes way up the chain. And it's funny that you say that because that was the height of trap music. Or that was when trap music took its place as the king of rap. In that very same time, and I would just like, I would love to go back and explore, you know, that the correlation between those two happening. So much, so much more happening than we probably realized. That would be a great documentary and probably a lifetime work to figure that out.

49:42 Yeah, so you can see here now they're recruiting. I mean just like when a McDonald's or a Starbucks comes to town you had to have employees. So, and like I said this was a known, yep go to the basketball court in a housing project. And that was the ideal place to recruit and we can hear more with small town too. And they kill us now we kill us I know because I don't want to die. It's a lot of people getting killed and stuff over gang and going to jail. So I don't want to do none of that. So they very persistently asked the CEO at the LaGrange Housing Authority, Zsa Zsa Heard, for a job. Heard says when she realized why they wanted work, she hired them on the spot. We've got to find them something to do. We have to do it. There's just no way I can just send them back out and potentially be in a gang. We have had some gangster disciples in here over time.

50:36 Sergeant Mark Cavender with the LaGrange gang unit knows the streets of LaGrange, pointing out the graffiti in high-profile gang areas. Sergeant Cavender says rural communities are a breeding ground for well-organized criminal street gangs associated with larger cities in search of existing structure in small towns. Okay, you've already got the structure and the foundation. We're going to give you the backing and the support of the Rolling 60 Crips or the Piru Bloods. Sergeant Cavender says they also look out for gang members who migrate from other areas into Georgia and LaGrange. They do have their local leaders. I

51:15 But we do have evidence that suggests that there's funding as well as reporting back to and even taking orders from other nationally known gang sets such as the Gangster Disciples, 8-2 Bishops. I guess at this point, I'm curious, the gangs, the trap gangs, all black or are there Latinos? Are they separate gangs? Are they intermingled? I mean, I know it's a lot of questions, but... No, no, no, no, it's great. Well, the gangs themselves are neighborhood-based. And I want to point that out because when I graduated in 1999, I barely knew any people that were in

51:59 The gangs that we know, Bloods and Crips, it was more neighborhoods. You had Braggtown, Walltown, Few Gardens, Doogal Terrace, all these neighborhoods. But in a year of me going off and coming back to Durham when I went out to college for a year and came back, gangs were everywhere to the point where Durham, little Durham, North Carolina has two gang documentaries. That's how fast people come in and I think this was spread through the federal prison system because when you would get locked up in the feds... No, you get in, you get recruited.

52:36 Well, no, they would send you all over the place all over the country. I mean you might get locked up in North Carolina and you go to Oklahoma and you might meet a guy from California there and he might have a connect but he's like well you gotta you know claim this or that. It's like all right I'll franchise and you know bring the franchise back. You hire all your employees. This is how it works. It's no different than any other business. We want to demonize and... No, it's a very important business. Yeah. So you bring your franchise back, say here's your uniforms. Here's your chain. Here's your chain. Here's your chain and you set up shop. And I think that the federal prison system, I

53:23 I'm pretty sure spread a lot of gang activity. One being because in Butner, North Carolina, which is like 20 minutes outside of Durham is a huge federal. Penitentiary. Penitentiary, yes. And I think a lot of the gang activity in Durham came from there. So yeah, so we bleed over into small towns. So I'm just showing that how these things happen in major cities. I've never understood. They crop up in small towns. I've never understood why

53:59 Prisoners go, you know, you can be arrested, arraigned, etc. Sentenced in North Carolina, but then you gotta go serve in a whole other state. I've never really known what the purpose of that was. Besides that you don't have a federal prison in every state, I understand that. If you want to be nefarious, it's a great way to cross... Yes, exactly. This seems like a huge failure on recidivism. Just that one simple fact, putting people in different places where they meet new criminal gang members and might decide to set up shop elsewhere.

54:36 And I'm going to foreshadow here because one of the popular documentaries of the early 1990s was a Banging and Little Rock on HBO. Yeah, I remember that. And in Little Rock, it was nothing but Bloods and Crips. Right. And to myself, I was thinking, how did Bloods and Crips get into small Little Rock? How'd that happen? But we'll see later how I think it happened. Yeah, because that was a California gang. I mean, New York, they had bloods and that kind of thing. Just to see these kind of things spread, it spread through music and I think the federal penitentiary system. That's just my, from my perspective. So I guess we can go on and wrap up with the final clip from Small Town. Investigators say the best recruiting tools are fear, intimidation, and the chance for fatherless boys to feel a sense of belonging. Kids who have little to no family involvement at home.

55:38 You know, these gangs will give them that. They'll give them that family feeling that you belong to us, that sense of belonging. Sergeant Cavender says arresting people will not solve the gang problem. The only way to change the problem is to change the thinking. Sports activities and people taking time with them other than the gangs or the crime side and mentoring them along the way and helping them. Help is what these teens got. They keep up the garden, clean the chicken coop and more. Herd knows there are other kids out there who need help and as hard as it is she's had to turn children away because they simply do not have the space.

56:23 We lose them. So that's concerning because I've heard the teachers say these were really three good kids, but we lost them. Heard believes there's a lack of programs in the community and feels that there were more community engagement, mentoring and education programs in elementary schools. Children would have an alternative. We're hoping to capture capture them now at five, six and seven. So when they become a teenager, that desire to be in a gang is not even there. To wrap up on the small town, I like to make a couple of points. One, so I was born in Spindale, North Carolina. Then I moved to Durham when I was like nine years old, but I would always go back to Spindale every summer to stay with my grandparents and all my family center there, aunts, uncles, those kind of things. So I would go back and I remember one summer when I went back

57:11 There was this guy named, I just call him S, right? So S, he lived down the street from my aunt and my aunt lived in a low-income neighborhood. And he was like the first, in hindsight, the first drug dealer I saw up close. Because him and my brother went to school, when my brother went to school back in Spindale, which is a very small town in North Carolina. So when I was He had a gun and... I mean, you don't see... I mean, a handgun. I'll never forget it was a blue 9mm and that was like the most fascinating thing to me, a blue gun, right? And he had a CD player and a Mustang and he always bought food for everybody and everybody loved him.

58:02 It's not this, people want to make it like, oh, they're oppressing the communities. El Chapo is loved in his community. Well, so was John Gotti. I mean, the same thing. These guys were handing out cash to people who needed it. Of course, that's how you run a successful criminal organization, syndicated, sure. And I'm going to take the alley of handing out cash and I'm going to oop it on home with the wrapping up this story. So there was another guy that you know, participated in the illegal pharmaceutical trade. And what he would do is, so we had this gym that would open and we, Mr. Monroe, God bless Mr. Monroe, rest in peace. He would open the gym up and that gave kids something to do while parents were at work or whatever. You couldn't afford a daycare or this summer camp that they have now. You would go to the gym, play basketball, Uno, those kinds of things, four square. But it was this guy will ride around the whole summer

58:57 and he would drop dollars out of his car and it was like a game. He would come by, drop a handful of dollars out and kids would scramble like wildfire like trying to get the dollars. And then he'll come back around again with the music thumping. I mean, just to give you the imagery. Yeah, he's like the Ice Cream Man, just a different tune. And it's funny that you say Ice Cream Man because that is what Gucci is known for. It's the Ice Cream Man. But that was if I didn't have a father like they said in the previous clip That strong masculine energy being a boy. Yeah, that would draw me in. Of course you get it from the gang, sure. Cuz I'm a 40 year old man and that's still etched into my memory like how cool was that to be able to ride around and throw cash out your window and to poor kids

59:50 And I'm sure he was like, I'm giving back, you know, I'm looking out and I'm sure he got some kind of ego boost out of it too to see kids scramble like that. But it was like, this is one of my childhood memories. So we're going to move over now when we're in urban Atlanta and we're going to move over to Buckhead. This is a church over in Buckhead. And this guy, Clay Scroggins gave a sermon on mind traps. and the victim mindset. feelings, feelings both in the here and the now. And it's not necessarily what happens to you, but it's the messages that you give yourself about what happens that determines your feelings. And not only do our thoughts create all of our feelings, but the thoughts that defeat us are almost always fraudulent or wrong or distorted or illogical.

1:00:56 And sometimes they can form a cycle, a mentality that becomes a trap. So how do you know? How do you know when a mindset has become a mind trap? There's an ancient Greek philosopher named Epictetus who said this, that we are disturbed not by things, but by the view in which we take of them. We think it's the circumstances that are disturbing us, but no, it's our view of them that's actually disturbing us. Yeah, that's pretty deep. It took me five decades to kind of figure that out. So easy to live in a mind trap.

1:01:38 So if you say that was, he's talking about inside. Yeah. Your inner thoughts. Now say you are listening to music and your environment is a trap, literal trap. And you wonder why these kids and young adults get caught up in this lifestyle because it's like there's nothing better. And it's what politicians sell to them. Oh, there's no hope out there. You know, unless we help you, there's no hope. Sure. So I played that clip, and he's from Buckhead, Atlanta. I was looking up Mind Trap and that kind of thing, and it popped up, and I'm like, man, I'm going to say this to people. Through this process, when I do the groundwork for the clips and everything, it's amazing. I think it's called Synchronicity. Yes.

1:02:34 of what is the odds of a Reverend in Buckhead Atlanta and Buckhead and Bankhead, those have connotations to it too because Bankhead is the hood. Yeah, Buckhead is rich neighborhood. Right, and it was a clip just to give just a music low tidbit of music There was an outcast first CD the guy was like yeah, I got these chains off of the folks off in a bookhead so So I was like that's amazing that he's preaching over in the rich side of Atlanta about mind traps Yeah, when you have the actual trap right across town in Bankhead and you know and all the zones and

1:03:13 In Atlanta, so I just wanted to share that so I know people like what thought he was gonna talk about GZ and Gucci This is the point but I had to lay all that out. So you don't just look at him as rappers Entertainers and trivialize them. No, this hopefully now people understand and humanize. This is what we like to do here. We like to humanize people and not make them in just to figureheads. Which is exactly what almost all media does, even if you're trying to do an honest documentary, just that turns it into, just the nature of a documentary turns it into, dehumanizes people strangely enough. Right, so now we get to Jeezy and Gucci. So this is going back to, okay, and what we're referring to, I apologize for all the

1:04:09 The music bed, I know it's probably killing a lot of people and I wanted to strip it out, but that just been too much work to try to do it. So this is going back to the Vice series, Noisy in Atlanta. And this gives us some background on Young Jeezy. We're in Quality Sound Studios, the home of QC Label. This is Migos' label and it's run by Coach K, who's there dancing in front of the console. He is the Migos manager, he kind of discovered them. He's also Gucci Mane's manager and before that he was Young Jeezy's manager. He is sort of like the trap house impresario, like the Tony Wilson of trap. I don't think trap music was really born.

1:04:56 until we put out Jeezy's first mixtape, which was The Streets Is Watching. And then we put out Trap or Die. And I think after that, people got it. Jeezy wasn't even rapping, man. He was like on some CEO shit. He wanted to be Master P. He was a street nigga. It's like he was respected in the streets. You gotta think about this. If you put out some wack music, then the street cats ain't gonna respect him. They're gonna be like, oh, you wasn't a rapping nigga? He was a real, like, he came in the game a millionaire, and I can attest to that. You know what I'm saying? While Jeezy never officially signed with BMF, he ran with Big Meech and his crew during their heyday in the early 2000s. BMF, man, Black Mafia fam. They spent a lot of money. And I used to tell Jeezy, you gotta start talking about this shit in your music. And once he understood how to do that shit, it was over with. It was the soundtrack to the streets. For real.

1:05:50 When that jeezy hit that thug motivation one-on-one classic album classic album That was what kind of brought me into respecting Trap music because what he did with that album you when you want to say, okay sonically and The level of just quality music he killed it. I mean this thing was thing unto itself he had the the snowman t-shirts which they end up banning. Oh right I remember that yeah. They're banned okay and then he had a mixtape followed up saying can't ban this snowman it was so widespread. Who produced it? I know you're familiar who what the album? Yeah. It was mostly Shorty Red

1:06:44 Well, there was a host of other different producers on there as well, but the biggest contributor to the album was Shorty Red, which that's why I said he had a whole different brand of trap. And this predates the Gucci Man current trap that we have. This really very simplistic, this was like a very lush soundbed of Simpson We had the lows, it was just a very quality product just from the musical standpoint of it. And that's what gave trap its credibility as a legitimate genre, sub-genre inside of hip hop.

1:07:24 So so much so that it influenced Kendal Lamar and on Kendal Lamar's good see a good kid mad city It basically it's a I want to say like a maybe like a documentary album What he does is he highlights what they call riding So when you're a kid and you're poor or you don't have a lot of money you fill up the car and You have your favorite CD or two and black and miles, maybe some weed and you ride and freestyle. And what I did was I was able to collect all the skits or some of the skits from that album. And we're just going to listen to him and his friends interact around that thug motivation one-on-one album. It's the car.

1:08:19 Nigga, I got a pack of blacks and a beat CD get your freestyles ready. Yeah, you faded look. Yeah, we finally got that nigga faded. I think you hit the wrong blunt though. Which way? Which way you talking about? I'll be the one who's not against it. I'm pretty hit that I think it's a he hit that one. Dr. Sinatica's I hear that English in out against the court. I think we should push back to the city. They're real though. You can for what? Yeah, that shit right there I'm trying to be the nigga this year you go You kick back as a lover Can you give me a little context of what I would have been seeing?

1:09:25 So, I mean, this is all audio because it's on his album. So what you have is a group of friends and in the album he explains it more. So you have a group of friends and this is just the everyday conversation and actions. Like I said, you Get your in the reason why I relate to this because this is what it was you got some black and miles you freak them That's where you take all the tobacco out and then you take the inner lining out and then you put the put the tobacco back in Yes, commonly known as a blunt. No, but it's not a blunt because you put the tobacco back in this is before you put it this is way You put the debate you take it out and you put it back in

1:10:05 You take it out, the tobacco, and it has this thick inner lining paper inside of it. You take that out, and then you put the tobacco back in, and it pulls harder, and it gives you a head rush. And you would smoke like two packs of these. I mean, you couldn't afford weed like that. I mean, but this is, this is the route. So you riding around and you have beat CDs and, and you freestyle and when you get tired of freestyling, you will listen to your album of choice. And at that time, like I said, I was maybe 25, 26 when Jeezy came out. So I was past my riding days, but I could relate to this. And the reason why I played this clip was he's all wearing Compton, California and Jeezy

1:10:48 Atlanta had an influence on him and his career by this album so much so that he Let it be known in the skits to this classic album good kid mad city, so I'm just gonna I'm showing you how God I got a lot but white like they said last time I check I was the man on these streets that was like a quotable so when you get a hip-hop quotable that's like scripture and Yes, I mean that there's no other way to put that's like you've you've provided scripture to the hip-hop culture and that was one of the many That was one of the many quotables from the album And his ad-libs. I mean was crazy like yeah You're saying so anyway, so I'm getting caught up so anyway Yeah, cuz I mean it's nostalgic for me but

1:11:47 We're going to get to the background of Jeezy and Gucci Mane some more. So that was Jeezy's kind of somewhat back bio. So we're getting to Gucci Mane's now. When did Gucci Mane start coming around too? Is he at the same time? He's at the same time. I want him and Jeezy to do some records together. He walks up on me. He said, you Coach K? I'm like yeah, he said man, I'm Gucci man. You know I'm saying I'm the guy you've been looking for With Jeezy at the top of his game Gucci man the up-and-coming era parent coach K decided to put the two together in the studio to work on a song a Song we all know as so icy goose came to studio that man. I swear to God he sung that hook so icy You know he sung that hook

1:12:27 all day. So I told Jeezy man, like, just try this shit. You know what I'm saying? This shit might be crazy, this hook is melodic, you know? So then Zaytoven comes in. Zaytoven is one of the first of Atlanta's super producers and the principal architect of the trap music sound. When I first came here, when I got my first hit, the So Icy with Gucci Mane and Young Jeezy, it was very Bay influenced because I was just moving from, you know, the Bay Area. So if you listen to the music, you'll be like, that don't sound like no producer that came out of Atlanta. You know what I mean? Because I was fresh from out of the Bay Area. I was cutting hair at the barbershop. Gucci Mane called me, like, hey, man, Zay, Young Jeezy want to do a song with us. I haven't made the beat or nothing. So I ran home, met him at my mama house, made the beat in like five minutes.

1:13:13 And then we went down to the studio to meet Young Jeezy. You know, I'm from the bass still, so I don't even know if they would even like my beat. So when we played the beat, they didn't even, wasn't even feeling it for real. Until after the dude Lil' Wills sung the hook, you know, the, all these girls excited. Once you heard that and the beat going together, then you start looking around the studio, everybody in the studio got a pen and paper trying to write to get on the song. So this is where Jeezy and Gucci Mane's paths cross with this classic song So Icy, which they had never performed live into the verses. That's why this was such a big deal.

1:13:59 You're probably wondering why did they never perform this song live? Yes, Mo Why did they never perform this song live? Well, so I have this next set of five clips and this was done by this suburban kid I forget name of his channel. I'm sorry about that but reason why I chose him to tell the story is because this shows how street happenings make it into white suburban America. So I wanted that perspective to explain what the real story behind Gucci Mane and Jeezy.

1:14:36 It's 1998 and Roderick Davis, better known by his rap name Gucci Mane is 18 years old and he's about to graduate high school. He was selling weed and cocaine to make money and decided to go to college because he qualified for a scholarship. He continued to make money and sometimes would record songs to mess around in the studio, mostly as a hobby. After going to college for about a year doing computer programming, he would get caught selling cocaine to an undercover police officer. He was given 90 days and probation. He lost a lot of his money and was kicked out of school, losing his scholarship. He had some time to think about if this is what he wanted to do or something else. Upon finishing his sentence, Gucci decided he should just release a mixtape since he was already getting good at it and he's been rapping since he was 14.

1:15:19 He used the little money he had left to finish the tape titled Gucci Mane La Flair presented by Straight Drop Records. He slapped them on a thousand CDs and passed them all over Atlanta. This will work out extremely well for Gucci because he started to gain a buzz pretty fast. He saw an opportunity and decided he wanted to start his own label where he would recruit other artists as well. Around 2001, he met a barber named Xavier because one of Gucci's homies attended the same barber class. Xavier made beats and was trying to make a name for himself as well under the name Zaytoven. So a couple things. One, Zeethoven by the way is so recognizable. It's like when you hear that it's like oh shit Zeethoven. Two, what is the distribution method? So you got the mixtapes and I remember this being a big deal. Oh man this guy's got this mixtape.

1:16:10 What is the commercial distribution method? At what point do you start making money with your music? Is that only when you get a distribution deal from a label? Or does everyone try to go and start a label themselves? I mean, it's just... Let me rephrase the question. How is it consumed? Is this music mainly consumed in the neighborhoods? on handout CDs, mixtapes, etc. or is everyone running Spotify? Or is that when it goes mainstream and that's when the rest of the world and that's when the real money comes in? Do you understand what I'm asking? So yeah, so this is pre-YouTube.

1:16:51 We gotta understand smartphone really changed things and this is pre-smartphone. So people weren't getting online and listening to YouTube or I don't think South Cloud existed at that time. The main method of distribution was the trunk of your car. And that was the term out the trunk, you were saying, you could tell it out the trunk, which was popularized by none other none other than the great Master P, which we got to put some respect on Master P's name because he show all these young guys, you don't need a record label. Go straight to the customer and one of the hip hop quotable here. He says 15% can't even pay my MF and rent.

1:17:33 That's what Master P told him. Like the little money that the record labels are trying to give y'all is bullcrap. This is, so two things. One, beautiful because that's exactly what We know. With our value for value model. And the other part is it's a total callback, ironically, to how the record business started in the 50s. Commercial top 40 radio. It started with people selling records out of the trunk of their car at gigs anywhere they could do it. It's an interesting throwback. Well, it was not lost in the South because you had the Chitlin circuit. Yes of a network of clubs and of course the clubs changed but the influences don't and if you were able to get a buzz then you can start doing shows at these clubs and this shows the entrepreneurial spirit of these talented

1:18:31 Individuals see everybody wants to paint them out to be idiots or thugs or whatever else. It's like no It's Jeezy was a I mean a legit millionaire Before he even got into rap Gucci man was a scholarship student and a coder. Yeah So this if they had other routes there will be stars and that. It's just like this is the only thing you had in this. You know, this is when the CD CD-ROM came out, the rewritable CD-ROM first came out. So that changed everything because it's like now you don't need somebody to actually print tapes or print albums. You know, you could buy a thing was like the one that used to print like 10 CDs at a time, like for like $500.

1:19:27 If you had one of those and then you go buy a computer and able to record your music in a closet I'm speaking from man. I'm telling you hotel experience hotel Jesus has the right idea by getting Bitcoin into this community He's got the right idea. Yeah. Yeah That's exactly what it is. It's whenever you give us something and I just one little small tangent whenever you give Black people quote-unquote with pips Anything we turn it into something else you got a thing about it spinning yarn in the brother The beep machine was not made for what it was used for the turntables was not made what it was used for The sampler was not made what it was used for it's like we take these tools and like you know what we can flip it bounce it and

1:20:19 and create something totally different. Even the vocoder, same, or auto-tune as we call it now. Yeah, the auto-tune. Oh, the 808 itself was a defunct piece of equipment and they showed up in... No, seriously, they showed up in pawn shops around... It's 20 years old or something, that thing came out. Right. But they showed up in pawn shops and were easily affordable, but that's why it became the weapon of choice for bedroom producers. Yep, because it's something at the original what it was originally meant for it was but it was a This is cheap. Like that's what you see in a great example was um Hustle and flow. That's it. That's a perfect example of how hip-hop careers will start is a couple pieces of equipment microphone boom you often you often going but

1:21:12 We continue on with the story of the real Gucci Mane and Young Jeezy part 2. Around the same time in 2001, Jay Jenkins, who was known as Lil Jay, has just stepped into the Georgia scene and was gaining buzz as well. Much like Gucci Mane, he spent the last few years trying to build a label. Lil Jay was in deep in the streets selling weed and cocaine. He was said to have over a million cash before ever considering music. He had a ton of money and was always interested in music, but initially never wanted to rap. After a few run-ins with the law and having a new baby, he wanted to focus more on his label and began building a studio where he could manage artists under. He would sign his first few artists and start the label Young Guns Entertainment. This was going good for a while, but eventually their main artist would catch a murder case and get locked up, leaving no real talent to lead the way. He had dropped a ton of money in his studio and into his artists, so he wasn't going to let it go to waste.

1:22:03 He changed his label name to CTE and he decided to start rapping as the main artist. He dropped his first tape, Thuggin' Under The Influence in 2001, which featured Lil Jon as a producer, and it immediately got a small fan base. Since Lil J had drug money to fund his tapes and new people and music, he would get all his music played at every strip club in Atlanta, which back then was a massive way to get your music heard. He went around Atlanta getting his music played over the next couple months. He decided to change his name to Young Jeezy and continued to drop back-to-back mixtapes like Trap or Die with DJ Drama until solidifying himself in the Atlanta rap scene. He did this until 2004 when Def Jam signed him for a massive amount of money. With Gucci Mane and Jeezy leading the way in Atlanta rap, it was only inevitable that a collab would come soon.

1:22:47 Nice. Good story. I like this. I want to take this time to point out, this is the reason why atonement is needed. I know people say, oh, here he goes. These young men had to resort to illegal activity to get the starter money up for what they really wanted to do. It's a bunch of young men out here that have great ideas but don't have the capital to get it off the ground. So allow me to say something about that. Yes, you're right. On the other hand, having come from, well, I'm certainly middle class, upper middle class, but having left home and school, etc., to

1:23:35 Build that starting capital yourself now Obviously drugs, maybe not the best way. It's a faster way. The the payoff can be much higher the risk, you know the risk reward situation but so what I'm responding to this because you say atonement and It's a very different thing for an entrepreneur to start and scrape those first few dollars together and build and build and build and build. And it's more than just the capital that you build that you can do what you really want to do with it. It's the process and the appreciation for hard work, making smart decisions. Whether the activity is legal or illegal doesn't matter. Right. So I would say just so we're clear from my standpoint,

1:24:21 Yeah, this is a crap way that there's no other... or that apparently no are no other avenues to do that. Yes, that's the key word right there. Apparently, so I'm not apparently I'm not saying that this should be handouts is what I'm saying. It's like just because someone has a great idea atonement doesn't mean handout. I think we're no we agree on that right. What I'm saying is if they had the capital to start a business then they wouldn't have to start go here. Now what I want to make you made a great point that's why I run the bell Apparently, so we're talking about people that are stuck in this mind trap of this is the only way to do it. This is what you've been told. This is the only way to do it. This is what they say about getting it from the mud. You know, you have to get in there and get it from the ground up. And when you tell people where the only way you could

1:25:15 I'm gonna be honest, this show is for me today. I'm loving it birthday show. This is a birthday show to myself because this is a hip hop show not the hip hop show but This shares a lot of what makes up me. So because I went through that, not the drug selling part, because I understood the bigger implication that it was a trap. And it's like those odds are not in my favor to make it out flawlessly. And that's why these guys are celebrated. Because when you beat the system, no matter what the system is,

1:25:54 These kids look at you like gods. Of course, of course, you're a hero, sure. Right, right. So, and the reason why I'm saying about Capitol is, like he said, to get the producers to pay beats and studio time, it wasn't like it is now. Where you had to actually, I mean, you couldn't, the equipment and quality of recording at home is nowhere near what it is now. The quality of music that you can get out, so, And with payola, which you're familiar with, you being interested. So because I've read about it, not that I've received it. No, no, no, no. No, what I'm saying is that is a real, of course it's a real thing. But it just to be clear, the payola stuff is rarely as rare, it was rarely ever cashed maybe back in the fifties. It's always,

1:26:48 perks, it's if you're if the station is corrupt and the station will get advertising buys or a so-called independent promoter will put on an entire show for the station in the station's name and will actually pay the artists and will only take a small cut so the station actually makes money with zero investment. Now these are all parts of the payola scheme. No, pay all those cash. And in this industry over here, it was straight up cash. I'm not speaking out of something I've heard. This is something I know. Especially for those DJs that play like the late night window where they had a little bit more freedom what they could play. It was, I mean, I'm talking about the urban radio stations. Cause like, like from like 12 to like five in the morning, I mean, you play what you really want to play.

1:27:43 WBLS Frankie Crocker. You can shake a hand and slide a couple hundred dollars and like get your stuff on the radio and then the other pay all the way outside when I say pale I'm not just speaking about radio stations they alluded to strip clubs right you can slide the DJ You know, a couple hundred, five, six, seven thousand dollars and he will play your music in the club and if the strippers dance to it, and this is why the relationship between the strip club and trap music is so strong. And this is why you've seen strippers be legitimate.

1:28:26 Under trap music air under the trap music era because they go hand in hand. Yeah, got it That's your your test market as well as your your launchpad not even a test market Yeah, it was more the launch pad because his I mean if the girls didn't dance to it then you knew your track sucked what that's true, but then if You in there making what they call a movie and that's the track that's playing and you're like, oh, let me go find out who that was. And I'll go, you know, or you in the parking lot, be like, hey, that was my song, you know, you selling out the trunk. So I'm just, I just want to point that out that this is the hurdle. And I want to make it clear one time we're talking about in the mind trap of this is my only way out. That is the,

1:29:14 That is the real crime here of tricking young people into believing... There's only two ways, sports or this. Well, another quotable, Notorious B.I.G. Either you got a slang rot or you got a wicked jump shot. I mean, that's pretty much the mentality that is like sewn in the quote-unquote urban community. So we can move on and now I think we stopped at three, I believe?

1:29:50 With Gucci Mane and Jeezy leading the way in Atlanta rap, it was only inevitable that a collab would come soon. In 2005, Gucci Mane and Jeezy would record two songs together. The first song was Black Teas, which was a response to Dem Franchise Boyz' hit song, White T. And the second song was So Icy, or just Icy. So Icy would go crazy in the streets almost immediately, and would then be featured as the main single on Trap House 1. The song was such a massive hit that even high schools across the country banned the iconic snowman tee that Jeezy wore in the video. But as time went on, rumors surfaced that Jeezy may have been upset with how things went. Although it's still not 100% clear why Jeezy was upset, we can assume it has something to do with the fact that he wanted the song to be on his upcoming album. He quickly took to the studio to release a diss track titled Stay Strapped, where at the end of the song he would put a $10,000 bounty on Gucci's So Icy chain.

1:30:40 I got a bounty on that shit. 10 stacks, man. You know Jeezy. Jeezy would start to distance himself from Gucci and cause some strain on their friendship. Gucci would also get upset at the fact they could never perform their song live, which he felt they were missing out on a huge part of promotion. Because once again, this is in the days where live shows made a huge impact on getting your music heard. But Jeezy didn't stop, and he continued the beef. Over the coming weeks, the petty beef would turn into something much more. One summer evening, Gucci would go home with the stripper after a party, just a month after the so icy hit dropped. Five men stormed the home where Gucci was staying, armed with pistols, brass knuckles, and duct tape. They would get into a physical altercation, pistol whipping the stripper and hitting Gucci in the face. One of the men allegedly yelled, shoot him. Wow. So this was the bounty for the chain. Damn. This is where the chain comes in.

1:31:32 Tupac's murder was allegedly centered around a chain because somebody tried to snatch his death row chain. And that's the footage you see in the closed circuit footage that you see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because those death row chains, like I said, every crew had a chain and it's kind of like capture the flag. If you wanted to, and you even see it to this day, it's Capture the flag and then now they go on social media and show it all. I got your chain, you know, and you had to pay a ransom to get it back. And that's like, the 1 of the most disrespectful things, like, because of somebody to take your chain off of you. They had to be close to you. Yeah. And what it represents is like, I can walk into anywhere.

1:32:19 I own you is what it means. I own you. Yeah, I got 20. But to walk around with that kind of jewelry on 20, 30, 50, you know what I'm saying, $1,000 worth of jewelry in one chain and like, you know, you don't have to tuck it because that's like the sca- I mean, that's where Friday, you remember Friday when Red forgot to tuck his chain and Deebo took it from him? I mean, this is, these have real, real like implications. You see it in movies, but Yeah, getting your chain snatched is like one of the most disrespectful things that can happen to you. So I don't want to belabor the point. I know we're probably running, you know, we've been very conversational. Honestly, Mo, I really love this. I don't care how, I got all Saturday and Sunday morning, brother. I can keep going. This is great because it's a side of music that, well, I was

1:33:10 kind of doing other things at the time. But all of these things that you're talking about, I recall or I remember some bits and pieces of. And from an MTV guy perspective, you know, there was a very different view of hip hop. And to this day, I would say a very different view of hip hop from the mainstream media perspective, which is probably the one I'm more familiar with. Because it's number one single dead rapper. Number one single dead, that's the only way you get attention, right? And then you cross over into ads where you get a Pepsi ad of those big companies like Latch on to you, but nobody really... And I'll say this, then we can jump right into four. This is pertinent because you're seeing dead rappers pop up now. Mode 3, King Von, and a host of other names of rappers that are being gunned down

1:34:11 Right now. And some over change still. So it's not like we're doing a history lesson. This is a peek inside of what's really going on now. So with that said, I guess we can go ahead and jump into 4. Upon realizing his life was at risk, Gucci shot back. Some people say he reached for his gun, where other stories say he may have disarmed one of the men and took his. He shot the gun, killing one of the men as the others ran off. Three days would go by until someone found the body of the deceased man in the woods behind an elementary school. When the smoke cleared, authorities identified the man as Pukilok, one of Jeezy's prodigies under his CTE label. After 9 days, Gucci Mane would turn himself in, claiming self-defense. He released a statement saying, he's not a murderer, but he was scared for his life and he had to be a man about it. The case would later be dismissed after his eyewitness confirmed that Gucci acted in self-defense when 5 men tried to rob him.

1:35:08 Going forward, Jeezy would still deny any involvement with the bounty, despite Pookie Loc being directly tied to him and his CTE label. Gucci Mane would go public saying he suffered from PTSD from this event, and would shoot jabs about it in his raps years later. One of the most famous lines he stated was this. The two would continue this feud for over 15 years, until November 19th, 2020, where they were put in the same room as each other. In 2020, during the world pandemic of COVID-19, record producers Timbaland and Swizz Beatz would start a webcast series titled Versus. With rappers unable to perform, this was a great way for hip hop fans to watch their favorite rappers go head to head, showcasing their hit songs in a battle-like competition.

1:35:52 After Jizzy was invited to the show, he requested to go up against Gucci Mane, thinking it would bring good entertainment seeing the long time feud go head to head. Which one? The one in this clip. Oh, oh, go, go, go dig, go dig your partner. I bet you can't say it. So he's talking about and the dude said Pookie Locke was Loke. It was whenever his LOC is pronounced Loke. But that was the guy. So Jeezy allegedly, let me, let me make sure I don't piss nobody off. Allegedly, the story is that he sent

1:36:32 put a bounty on Gucci's chain, the ice cream chain. And these five guys who were close associates to Jeezy went to go... Snatch it. Yeah, I mean, because if you get it, then that gives you automatic street credibility. Can you just translate this? Translate. Can you just... Because I can't hear it. I can't hear what's being said here. This. Don't think your partner a nigga, he can't say shit. I just can't. Go dig your partner up and I bet he can't say it. Ah, okay. I gotcha. So basically, I killed him and you know what I'm saying, if you want him to say something, you need to go dig him up. And... That's not very nice. That's not very gentlemanly. It's not and the crazy thing, and this is why this verse is now we're at the verses.

1:37:25 These two men in Magic City, which is the club in Atlanta, the strip club in Atlanta, the world famous strip club in Atlanta. What happened to Cheetahs? No, no, no, no. It's Magic City. Magic City. Sorry. All right. That's the Buckhead Strip Club. Magic City is the place to be. Right. Magic City is the place to be. And I heard they got great wings. I got a... A good authority. That will be the only reason I go. It's for the wings. I mean, so, um... So, this is the setup. And you got Jeezy on stage. You got Gucci on stage. People don't know what's gonna happen.

1:38:08 It's crazy, I mean this is what built, this is why 2 million people tuned in. Of course. To see what, is it gonna explode into a brawl or what? Now was this a completely non-mainstream commercial event? Were there advertisers, sponsors, or was this completely organic? I know every urban or hip-hop related content creator had multiple videos on it. Now, I don't know about commercial as far as, I mean, I don't watch very much commercial TV. I didn't see any like ads for it.

1:38:46 But like I said, when verses hit, when verses say they're gonna sell verses, it's a big deal. I think the lowest one I've seen maybe have like a couple hundred thousand people live. You know, that's a pretty significant... It's very significant. And then when you talk about hit, I think 2 million was the record. I think this was the record versus. And who organized this? Swiss Beats. and Timberland, two of them super producers in hip-hop. And it's a genius idea. So, and then one of the other ones, the funny one was a baby face and Teddy Riley. That was hilarious. So if you want to go back and check that out. How old are those guys? They're my age now, aren't they? Right. They gotta be up there. Yeah. So, um,

1:39:31 I guess let's get into 5 and see what happens at the verses. After the show got closer, shots were already being fired, mostly from Gucci Zan. Days leading up to the show, Gucci would post memes on his Instagram about Pukilok, as well as insulting Jeezy's outfit that he wore for his upcoming album. As the show went on, it would gain over 1.8 million viewers on Instagram alone. It started out slow, but things would inevitably heat up as the rappers played hit songs as well as some of their old diss records. By the end of the show, they would make history when they performed their hit song, So Icy, together for the first time in 15 years. After the song was performed, the two would have a brief, but wholesome exchange of words. It led many viewers to believe this was the end of their long-lasting beef. Since the show, Jeezy has spoken out saying he feels better, hoping they can put this all behind them. Since then, rumors have come out online about a possible collab album coming soon. Okay. Very promising.

1:40:25 At the beginning of the verses, it was very tense because Gucci Man actually did the two diss tracks talking about Jeezy's dead homie. Damn. Yeah, I mean, because here's the thing. I guess we're at a point where we can start looking at who Jeezy and Gucci is. So Gucci, Jeezy was always the corporate Minded person he really didn't want to be a rapper. He wanted to be a CEO of a record company But he bet on himself. It was like cuz artists kept flaking on him So he you know, he became gotten in front of the microphone and started recording music and he blew up there. I

1:41:08 But he always had that corporate mentality. And I think that's why record labels really embraced him. That's why Def Jam gave him a huge deal. Puffy, Jay-Z, they all put their arm around him. And he became a fixture in the music industry. But he never had the popularity of a Gucci man who was strict like trap trap. And what I mean by that is he was actually from the trap. And when he became famous, he stayed in the trap. So and that's why the young artists like Migos, Young Thug, all of these guys came up under Gucci Mane. So it was, if we're talking music wise, Jeezy had the better music and probably had the biggest, biggest, was at the highest, higher heights. But we're talking about longevity is Gucci Mane because of his organic beginnings and staying true to the streets and the trap.

1:42:08 So but now hopefully they do do a collab. I doubt they do a collab. Oh But that would be nice to see but it started out very tense to begin to begin that versus Well, I'm excited to see how this unfolds. We're not even halfway yet. We're just about right. So speaking of collab Oh's I think we got one of the best collab Oh's and well in podcasting and You want to remind people what the Mo Fax and Adam Curry show is about? Yeah, we'll do that with this Beautiful clip from Malcolm X. And today's episode of MoFacts with Adam Curry is more an educational process than a comparative process.

1:43:11 which is I think of paramount importance and thank you for humanizing as we've said and as you mentioned many times I'm very excited about the rest of this show and you probably realize that this kind of program its length the topics the language the way Mo and I talk which is just like two American men who want to understand stuff and learn from each other not really compatible with cancel culture Black Lives Matter Inc or with commercials or any corporate money which is why we've chosen for the successful format known as value for value. It's successful because the producers of the podcast are the ones who keep it running. You get value out of it. All we ask is for you to return that value. It can be in a number of ways. We like to say time, talent, or treasure. In this case, we have a list of producers, our executive producers and associated

1:44:02 executive producers and other producers who put this together for us and have stuck with us regardless of time schedule and how we publish. But I think it's appreciated how much work goes into this, how much time, effort, thoughtfulness. and then for us to be able to discuss the way we do and keep it going, it's really a testament to these producers for helping us. So with that said, let's start off with thanking our executive producer for episode number 55, and we start with James Irvine. who sent us $250.99 and he has a note. It says, love this show. As a white guy, this gives me a wonderful insight into the true meaning of being black. It goes so much deeper than I ever knew or even ever had a clue about. Thank you Mo and thank you Adam for cluing me in. In the morning he says, Jim Irvine, knight of the RV, NA to the MF. All right, beautiful.

1:44:59 Another familiar name here with $230.33, a little magic sauce dipped on top from Sir David Fugazotto. Mo and Adam, he says, the education continues. Thanks for doing the work. I use the information you bring up almost daily. Most of my American employees are black and we've had a lot of great enlightening conversations. Some of the more interesting chats have been around the difference in skin tone and I would have been lost if not for the education I've had from the show. Are you familiar with the term high yellow for light-skinned blacks? Mo? Yes. High yellow. And we may talk about this one day, but I'll be quick with this. So high yellow is, it's a little different than biracial. And what I mean by that is you'll see, I'm trying to think of somebody, you could refer to as high yellow or red bone. It's not that light skin that you get from like a biracial relationship or a child created through biracial means. It's more of a,

1:46:08 you have this Halle Berry, she would be considered by a high yellow and it's pronounced yellow. I mean, I don't know why I mean from in the South. I don't know why but it's high yellow. So that's what high yellow means to me. Well, David said he said, I don't hear said many of them are very active in the Masons. Is that true? The high yellow? Yeah, because you got to go back to what we talked about with the brown paper bag test and colorism and those things. So that's very familial as well. Well, he wants to know if that'll be a topic in the future. Well, it sounds like we will touch on that for sure. And he continues, anyways.

1:46:50 keep up the fantastically useful and informative conversations. It's been a while since I've donated, so could I get a de-deadbeating and a refreshing of Mo' Karma? Yes, you can, my friend. Congratulations, you're no longer a deadbeat. And I would like to say... Let the karma flow. Because it just came to my mind that my wife and two of my children are high-yelling. So, I mean, like I said, that's why I don't get into the colorism thing because it hits home. Sure, sure. Just be careful of the number 33 around the house. Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

1:47:37 Thanks Dave definitely a good question $110 and 88 cents from David J Langford He says I live in Wyoming and love your podcast and we love you David Thank you, and you are also an executive producer of episode number 55 Joseph Wenzel $100 So my informant Mo mentions pips as a thing while I'm at the table eating carrot cake and wondering just how many things are under the rug after the cast I tune into episode 8 of HBO's Perry Mason and hear the main lesbian character call her lover a pip. I don't know how that relates. So when we say PIPs it means in quotation air quotes. Can't wait until all the citizens of the United States of America are at the table again. So happy officer Drake turned in his badge and gun in this episode especially considering how much more money and satisfaction the character will get in the occupation of private investigator i.e. podcaster in PIPs.

1:48:33 So, Bo Jyden is our president-elect. Saturday's in our future. Mo and Adam, please keep my keel even as best y'all can. Get to the table and you will get served, especially at Thanksgiving." Very poetic, Joseph. And all I can say is, we'll see. I think January 20th I'll know if Blo Jyden is our president or not. Donald Rolfe. They're still counting. That's all I'm going to say. They're still counting. There's more than just that going on. Donald Rolfe, also $100 to the MoFact Show. Thank you. Hello, Morn Adam. Love your show and enlightenment. I'm a no agenda knight and learn value for value from Adam. I'm making attempts to catch up on episodes and value in return. Keep up the great work, Sir Afik. Thank you. Very much appreciated. Yes, archive.mofacts.com gives you a beautiful overview. Oh yeah, I wanted to mention

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1:50:00 Now we slip into our associate executive producers, $50 up to $100. John Taylor, double nickels on the dime, $55.10 with the BBG Groot. We say indeed buy Black's Guns, thank you. That's a good start. BBG. Oh, it's Give Black's Guns. Yeah, but he's doing a BBG. I don't know why. How did that get messed up? I don't know, it's this weird Mandela effect where some people... You're right, it is a Mandela. I think it's because... He's not the only one that said that before. I know what it is. It's because of Build Back Better is the three Bs. I think people are getting confused. But yes, it should be GBG, which is Give Blacks Guns.

1:50:41 Well, it depends on what side of the universe you're on. So maybe we're just on a different side than John. There you go. Maybe, maybe not. Greetings and salutations says Aaron Keeney. I'm a Tonomo convert, which means Aaron came to us via Tom Woods' NOA agenda to MOFAX. A note about Cynthia McKinney. Yes, we talked about her. I'm not saying there was not fraud in her 2002 primary loss. I was 11, so I was not much in the know. But we lived in her district, and at the time I can attest that there really was considerable Republican crossover. As I remember, she ran unopposed for a long time, and that year finally had a challenger in the primary. Yes, that's true.

1:51:18 My parents and all of their Republican friends voted in the Democratic primary for her challenger. In Georgia, you don't register with a specific party, so when you walk up to the vote in the primary, it's easy to just ask for the Democrat ballot instead of the Republican ballot or vice versa. Perhaps the Democratic Party put up a challenge because of her indiscretions. At the very least, having a challenger that Republicans could vote for provided cover for any fraud that may have happened. Also, I hope your theory that Stacey Abrams is going down with the ship is correct. I know Democrat establishment Schumer, etc. Wanted her to run for the Johnny Isaacson Senate seat and were miffed that she had bigger aspirations So there's certainly motive there. Love y'all thinking of you stay thinking says Aaron. Yeah You can already see it Mo and I were texting yesterday The setup or the the alley is there for the oop to have her holding the bag. Whoops. How about that lingo?

1:52:18 Looks like it's happening. They're putting her in front and center just in case. That's the headline I've seen everywhere, Stacey, on their investigation. And we'll talk about that in a... in a... When she's in jail. In the very, very near future, I'll say that. When she's in jail, we'll talk about her. Right. William Smock, $55. Have you watched the third season of Fargo? No, I haven't. You have seen it? Is it good? Yes, yes, he says here. It's the fight between Jews Italians and blacks in Kansas City, Missouri To not be at the bottom. Thanks for your hard work. Oh now I gotta watch it. That's cool That is the best representation of the bottom William that was a great great point out. Well, please check that out if you can Fargo. Well, we got a Good work

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1:54:00 and please go to mofax.com and click on the donate button or you can go directly to the donation page at mofundme.com and thank you all for your courage. Alright so we're coming out of the donation segment and straight into a throwback block. So this is from the show The Shooters number 48. And this is with white mic. So I want to we don't have to linger on a long conversation in between each clip, but I want to play these clips to give context for the aforementioned trap music and then it'll explain a little better the second half of the show. Now in this time I learned a lot of beautiful things about a lot of beautiful people.

1:54:49 I learned a lot of ugly things about myself, and I learned a lot of dark things about the nation in which we live. But I also learned that I, being white Mike, specifically the white part, have a lot of power. White Mike has a question today, and it's this. How come when you turn on the radio in Jacksonville, or New Orleans, or Chicago, or Little Rock, the only people on the radio that talk about how great it is to kill each other are black? How come that exists? 15 stations on a dial, go up, go down. The only people on the radio bragging about getting automatic weapons, gunning each other down, are black. This right here is a song. My pastoral vocabulary won't let me read the title, but I will read this. Catch a young black male not paying attention at the red light with your AK-47. Let me see you shoot it. You're a killer, you're a killer, you're a killer, you're a killer black male. Let me see you prove it.

1:55:45 Why does this exist? Oh, yeah, this is a great series of clips. I've often used this as an example with people, so I won't spoil it. Yeah, so I wanted to play this just to show that how it's normalized. The acceptance of the behavior that went on between Jeezy and Gucci Mane. And not only that, that's why I chose the person that did the background of their beef as a, I would assume to be a suburban white kid, a white young man. It's totally accepted. And I just, we can get to the next clip, but I just want to point out to people, all the terms that come out of trap rap and bleed over into everyday

1:56:27 society like twerk and Draco and purple and chopper purple lean I mean you things are just and it's and it's really you really see it show up in advertisements to show like some kind of credibility. So I just want to say that I guess we can get into the second white mic clip. I'll take it even further because a lot of time racism exists in what we don't know, what we don't see. Where are the white killers on the radio? Where are the white AK-47 shooters? Where are the white drug dealers? Where are the white people on the radio that brag about what it's like to murder witnesses before trial? The truth is they don't exist. And the question is why?

1:57:13 Why don't they exist? Do white people not kill people? Do white people not use AK-47s to shoot each other? I mean, do white people not do drugs? Do they not deal drugs? Of course they do. But why is it that it doesn't make it to our mainstream radio? Why is it that we don't hear it hundreds of times a day in hundreds of cities across the nation, thousands of plays that say the idea that a black guy would kill another black guy is something to be celebrated, something to be romanticized? Yeah, well, that was playing since I've already heard this. Mm-hmm. Is this a throwback to episode 48? The only white song that comes to mind about a white guy killing a white guy is Johnny Cash That's how long I killed a man in Reno just to watch him die. Yeah, oh gee Johnny Cash. Oh gee man very oh gee I gotta think about if there's any more but yeah, it's so weird and it's just totally accepting like I said I just want to lay this out just so people can

1:58:11 Really think about in hindsight what we discuss as a whole culture And why is it accepted and I'm guilty of it too because I enjoy rap music But when does it how does it build the cage? That is the mind trap. So just think about that and Guess we can get to the third one. Black murder is normal. The idea that a black man or a black woman would be involved in a homicide, either as a perpetrator or a victim, is so common, so broadly accepted, that it basically goes unnoticed.

1:59:05 The truth of the matter is, black families are affected by homicide at rates of 10 times their white counterparts. There will be more death in the form of homicide involving black people this year than any other form of violence that dominates our national conversation. More than school shootings, mall shootings, mass shootings, workplace shootings, lovers twists, lovers trifts that turn violent and bloody. Even more than in war and in terrorism. No one will lose their life at greater numbers. and black americans involved in violence you know black murder in our country is not only common, it's not only frequent but it's an idea that we celebrate, it's an idea that we say is okay we actually make heroes out of the notion, heroes out of people

1:59:41 that trivialize and romanticize it. Now every time I show this information people always say, well if the number three cause of death for white males, what is the number one cause of death? And without fail year after year it's called unintentional injuries, accidents, falling off a four-wheeler, crashing a go-kart, or bungee jumping without paying attention to knots and things like that. So basically the American story is white kids are dying because they're clumsy and black kids are dying because they're gunned down. So put to put this in perspective, could you imagine hearing Justin Bieber guns down one of Jonas Brothers progress? But no, I can't. No, I'm just saying this. That's how either accepted and warped the trap mind is.

2:00:31 compared to the mainstream media music. Do you know, let me just relate something. I know we didn't want to talk too much in between these clips, but comes to mind, Ted Demme. Ted Demme is the guy who really started Yo! MTV Raps with Ed Lover, Dr. Dre, different Dr. Dre. Ted, because I watched this up close and I was fascinated by it, And I always got the feeling that, and Ted is no longer with us sadly, I wish he was because man, the guy did so much for the music. But to me it always felt a little bit like, let me help these black people get their success.

2:01:15 And it sounds kind of weird because I know it came from a really good place and he really wanted to expose the music but the time that then this is why I said it much earlier in the show. Yeah, we've got to get the the urban CNN people have got to hear this. We got to get that out there. So it was really encouraged. It was encouraging discussing exactly what was happening on the streets. And of course, You know once that's encouraged once that becomes a hit then comes the money then it's hey we want that you ain't getting you know You're not putting that record out. None of that happy sunshiny stuff. We want this So it was an industry from early on before trap really and what's the weird thing about it? That's why I said that my taste was different and I looked at the word trap and the whole culture differently because as you said I grew up under

2:02:04 Roots it was one thing to tell the story and not sugarcoat it and be descriptive and so it has the appropriate amount of impact What we saw with trap music was the quality go down the intelligence go down the being a caricature of Basically Hood culture. Not even, no, no, not even hood culture. It was going back to the days of blackface. Right. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Cause it's, they can't even pronounce words correctly and that kind of, it's encouraged. I'm going to say this and this, we can get straight into the next clip. But one of the things I noticed about Charlemagne, he says, scrape, scrape,

2:03:01 Which is a normal occurrence in the South. Because like I said, and we get roasted for it, but nobody says anything to people from the islands that says tree for three and that kind of thing. So, but what I'm saying is to be a trained broadcaster, and you can speak to this more than I can, they would normally work, excuse me, would normally work that out of your speech to say straight, street, But he still says great and screech, which I think he holds on to as a dog whistle to be real. It's code switching. Of course. What's not even cold switching because he doesn't no matter how he when he says he always says.

2:03:50 Scrape and scream right, but I'm saying does he say that on the radio or does he say that in private too? That's my question. He says it all he says on the radio. I don't think that'll be even weirder Well, that's what it is. If you're performing in blackface, then that's what you do. You do that on the radio Maybe not privately that's I don't know the answer if he's doing it or not And I saw this crop up in the music of the mispronunciation of words On purpose I would say, cause, and I'll say this one last thing. Plies, Jamie Foxx called out Plies for this, which Plies is a popular rapper from that era of the trap, when the trap music first cropped up. And he thought he was gonna meet, and he has a real heavy southern accent when he's in acting. So when Jamie Foxx said when he went to go meet him, he expected

2:04:46 Him to speak the same way. He's like, hi, how are you doing? I'm saying it's like so It's different. I have a southern accent and I don't want to get rid of it because that's just who I am and I also Speak somewhat different in conversation because I want for clarity purposes. I don't want people to not understand what I'm saying But I don't go out of my way to change The way I speak so I'm just saying that I noticed that there's this thing of dumbing down that came in with trap music and I'll end on that point Now we don't have Mamie Too shoes today, and you can't get away with it. Nobody would put it out there. But we do have black people that get on the radio every day in white-owned companies, white-owned stations with white-owned sponsors that play the role of hyper-sexualized, hyper-criminalized male. I asked these advertisers, I say, I've got hundreds of songs a day that celebrate killing animals. Will you put them on your station? They said no. I've got hundreds of songs a day that talk about

2:05:42 assaulting women and abusing kids. Would you put them on your station? They said no. I said I got hundreds of songs a day that talk about murdering blacks. Would you put them on your stations? They said well that depends. Depends on what? Who it's done by and who it's branded for. Because if we can get black folks to sing about it, we can brand it for our youngest black audiences, I think there's money to be made. I think there's American appetites to see these people that way. Yeah, that's that's the money clip right there. So I'm gonna make one point, just one small point. We saw this not for money's sake, but for voters' sake with Booty to the Pole. Yes. So I'll just leave that. If you haven't seen it, go look, go listen to our, I think it was our last show, but go, or maybe it was 53, I believe, but go look at Booty to the Pole. They used

2:06:32 that mentality or try to communicate cake to black men on that level of depravity, which if you're a sex worker that's I mean more powerful to you. I don't knock sex workers. Episode 52. Yeah so it's 52. So was that podcasting 2.0 at work there sir? No that's Adam Curry who just has a photographic memory of clips. Okay. But 2.0 is coming. Yeah no it's coming. But you could use it for that function if it went up and running. So I guess we'll just go ahead and wrap up with the white mic. I said, how can you say that? They said, well look, it's what these artists know. It's what they, black people, create. As a matter of fact, our surveys say it's what they want to hear, which speaks of a sickness. How do we live in a society where somebody says, you know what, I'm inspired to write a song that celebrates murdering another person. And then a person says, I'd like to put that on my station. Other person said, I'd like

2:07:22 to pay for it, and then there's people out here in the audience that go, I'd love to hear it, as long as it's black guys. Because even white people buy rap music, buy this type of stuff, because we know that when we want to hear about killing each other, we know who to turn to for that type of inspiration. We call it our music. We say we own it. White people buy more rap than black people. Yeah, but we're very careful to turn it down at the stoplight when other black people are there. Why? Because we know we're just pretending for them. It's more authentic and real. I always ask the companies, what about your name? What about your brand? What about your value? And the largest radio company in the world said this, it's okay that we only have drug dealers on our black youth stations. We only have murders on our black youth stations. We support black charities. We give out water at the Martin Luther King parade. I think we've got it covered. We bought them off. And it is really black radio, isn't it?

2:08:09 Yes, and or I don't say it's all radio to be to be honest, but it's really radio. It's not music television is not it's radio radio is so important and And the reason I say that... Because it's free. It's free. Yes, and the reason I say this is because if there's one industry that I personally have helped kill and bring down, it is the radio industry, because of podcasting. And so for them to hold on to anything that works, they will promote the shit out of it for as long as they can, to keep that going as long as they can, because the culture is radio listening, and they're just tuning into their audience. That's, sadly, that's also capitalism.

2:08:49 And to go back to what I was speaking about about riding was before you could afford a CD deck in your car before aux cords and bluetooth connections. Yeah, the radio, sure. You had the radio. And the radio is really a monopoly because they play the same seven songs on all the stations. I mean, over every hour on hour. Yes. So, and I want to make one last point when he said about white rappers. We saw Post Malone came out of the trap. Right. But when he made it to a top 40 star his musical content changed. Yeah now what's about maybe clubbing love Falling in love that kind of thing he didn't rap about Dracos and choppers and all the things that he when he made his way up through the trap

2:09:37 So, they don't, that is not accepted. That is not accepted to have even Eminem the same thing. He was rapping about like Munchausen syndrome and his hate for his mother. So, you don't really have a industry push white artists that are, you know, rapping about killing people. And I mean, well, killing in the way that black artists are. So I set all that up to say to point out the special guest that showed up to the versus to stop by to deliver a special message. Guys, real quick, thanks for coming to versus. We got a special caller for you guys right now. Come on on. Hi, this is Stacey Abrams. What's going on? How you doing? I'm good. Thank you guys for letting me crash before what I know is the battle to end all battles of versus to end all versus. So thank you for giving me some street cred with my nieces and nephews. That's right.

2:10:38 Can you wipe my record clean? Look, that's a job that the governor could do, but we'll have to think about that later. But for right now, we can at least make sure that everyone shows up to vote. So we have two senators to make sure we have COVID response and we've got stimulus money coming back to Georgia. That's right. We got you, baby. Let's get it. GA, you know we're going to stand up for you. Thank you. Well, I just wanted to say thank you to both of you, especially for the work you've done to encourage folks who are coming back, returning citizens, to know they have the right to vote. I've got a younger brother who's been in and out of the system, and I know redemption is real, and I know that the voices that these men and women can bring to our state matter. And so thank you for the work you've done. No question. Love, Stacy. Oh boy. Well, that's, that ruins the event.

2:11:28 When I saw that, I said, gotta be a show. Gotta be a show! You knew what was going on, right? Now do you think Stacey talks like that all the time? Maybe. I wonder. Maybe, I'm not sure. I can't call that one. I mean, she could not be, I mean, I'm more street than she is. I mean, she's counsel on foreign relations. It's just crazy. Oh, no, she's the, that's the real gangsta. That's right. That's the real thing. Calling in just to say good work, son. Way to go, boys. Keep them keys moving. You know what I'm saying?

2:12:06 No, but that when I saw that I was like and then Gucci man asked hey, can you get my record clean? Yes, cuz I don't think he was in on it He wasn't read into what was going on No, cuz and but I want to point out another thing Notice how they refer to her Gucci man says miss Stacy. It's more like a formal thing. Mm-hmm. Jesus says hey Stacy, right? That's a little too familiar for me. Mmm good catch These are the kind of things I'm like, oh, okay, I see where this is going. And it was Jeezy that was the one that was invited to be at Versus and then he picked Gucci Mane to be his co-star. Right. But when I saw that, I was like, oh, captive audience, two million people. Beautiful. She comes right in. Don't forget to vote now. I don't know about your record. I don't know about cleaning that up, but go vote. Yeah, go vote. Now, maybe we'll see another time.

2:13:10 Amazing. So, and so this thing I was like, okay, this thing was so widespread that he even showed up on the, I forget her name, lady on a serious radio. Oh, Karen Hunter. Karen Hunter. It shows up, she covered it on her show, Gucci Man and Jeezy. Listen, and it's weird seeing you in the verses with Jeezy and Gucci Mane the other night. I just want to just, you know. I was like, Dr. Carr in the, is that Stacey Abrams popping into a strip club?

2:13:54 She popped. What does that say about our culture that could be a sitting governor, could be a sitting president, could pop into a Gucci Mane versus a Jeezy? Very tense. It's one of the most tense verses is what brought you to the table? The only thing that would bring me to the table would be the young people. That's not the car, the young people. That's only where the young voters, let me say it for him. That's their only concern. How can we manipulate these voters to make it seem like we're there for them? And now I'm going to go out on a limb here. This is what I do. TI is done. You know, the Democratic Party was trying to use him. But he has so much stuff going on and he had made so many missteps that they need a new trap representative for the Democratic Party.

2:14:58 and Steps Jeezy. He's the new representative and that's why they were grooming him. You remember the picture with him and Joe Biden when Joe Biden had his hand on his shoulder? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the response to that? Did people say what the hell or was that uh... Oh, of course they said what the hell but it wasn't amplified though as if when uh little Wayne went to go talk to Trump because he's talking to a Democrat. That's completely acceptable. Right. You know, Even though, you know, okay, I won't spoil it. But yeah, so So you have this you have Jeezy and I feel like they're there He's now going by I think it's a Jay Jenkins Jay Jeezy Jenkins He's going to his he's going to do his Todd Smith face the same thing LQJ went through so when you start getting called by your government name, that's your distancing yourself from

2:15:56 your celebrity or how you came into the game. So yeah, that's what they're all about is the votes. And that's why it irked me so much. So much for this organic spur of the moment thing. Seems pretty premeditated to some degree. Very premeditated. So now we have GZ Post the Verses and he goes on, I think it's Hot 97 that's what he bro and Rosenberg the guy that just is It irks me so he's talking to them about the the verses I want to I want to ask you about something that made me feel really good a few weeks ago Can you tell us about my favorite picture of the of the last month or two was you in conversation with Joe Biden? Can you tell us about your conversations with Joe Biden and then how you and your family took in the election as well? I

2:16:55 The conversation with Joe Biden was, you know, I was zoning. I was asking him questions. I wanted to see if he really understood his position. He was honest. But I did, you know, I kind of really appreciate the fact that Kamala Harris is, you know, almost like his work wife because I feel like she's close to him. to the culture to actually understand. And the thing about it is everybody's like, how can you support them? The drug laws and this or that and what they did to people. And I'm just like, yo, man, I'm not saying it's the end all be all. I never said that. I'm more and I'm going to answer your question now, Paul. I'm more. You mean Peter getting what I see you worked at Def Jam too long. That's right. Right. Right. Rosenberg's. Yeah.

2:17:46 But I'm more happy to see my culture see that every little bit counted and then we made a difference together. Like we got out here and got people to vote and Georgia changed to blue. And I was just happy to see because it was so many people. I was like, yo, we got to vote. We got to vote. It's like my vote don't count. Why would I waste my time? And just to see that, you know, it made me feel good. And then back to the Joe Biden thing, I was really just asking real questions and I wanted my people to know like, sometimes you really just gotta be at the table. Oh man, okay. Meme after meme in this one. First the Rosenbergs. The Rosenbergs, alright, nice Semitic, anti-Semitic reference. But also... Who posed the question? Was Rosenberg. Oh, it was Rosenberg, correct. Yeah. Then, uh...

2:18:42 He talked about his coaches, so that was interesting. So who are said coaches? He wanted to show the coaches what he could do. He said the culture. I thought he said coaches. Oh, the culture. No, he said the culture. No, that night. He speaks for the culture now. Oh, yes. Well, of course he does. He and Stacey represent the culture. Joe's work wife. And Kamala, Joe's work wife. Oh, man. Yeah, he really had no- And then he said- I mean, that's not acceptable what he said. No one- No one buys that crap. Not at all. And the other thing is he says that he had a lot of questions for Joe in the sea of Joe care and he kind of poo-pooed the crime bill and you know those crime bill, you know, blocking up black men, innocent black men, you know, you know, nothing like that. But I had a real question for Joe, like, am I black if I vote for you? Yeah, he went up there. I'm sure he asked Matt. He went up there, showed his culture card, said this is who I am. You know me. I represent the culture. Let me just check you out, man. So it was kind of an approval.

2:19:47 And then the last talking point was we need to be at the table. Yeah, oh, that was good. The table. So that leads me into the Bob Woodson clip that you snagged and share with me on these these leaders. First of all, you cannot generalize about the black community anymore. Any other people? We're not monolithic. We have difference in education, difference in income and And when it's convenient, we generalize the black community and we use the demographics of those who are living in the most troubling situations. We use the demographics of incarceration, of low income housing. We use that demographic.

2:20:31 information to make a case that all blacks are suffering. And then when the money arrives, it goes not to the people suffering the problem, but those who are providing service. For instance, in the last 50 years, the government has spent $22 trillion on programs to aid the poor. 70 cents of all those dollars go not to the poor, but those who serve poor people. They ask not which problems are solvable, but which ones are fundable. Then you have black elected officials, many of them were veterans of the civil rights movement, who then came into political office. They were the ones who were dispensing those funds. And listen to this. Two out of ten whites with college degrees works for government. Six out of ten blacks

2:21:18 with college education works for government, which means that the vast amount of money that has been spent on the poor that has produced and reinforced dependency have been administered by a lot of middle class blacks. Yeah, that's your systemic racism right there. And can you point out something? Speaking of synchronicity, look at the title of that clip. Yeah. AT Atlanta leaders. Abusive demographics hidden by Atlanta leaders. Holy crap. I wanted to identify something that I'm sure is just from my perspective. The term culture, I'm seeing it pop up in advertising. It meant as the cult... I mean, I know, I know. Like, oh, hello, I'm just seeing it. But I've noticed that the past, I don't know, past month or so, I've just seen this term culture pop up in advertising.

2:22:18 Yeah, do it for the culture stuff like that's a quotable. That's a hip-hop quotable for uh from Jay-Z. I did it for the culture. So I mean like I said these things when these quotables take take uh, yeah, they're powerful. They go for generations. So, uh, so we have So that's where Jeezy is falling into he's falling into that group just by perspective of he's gonna stay tried to use TI for this and like I said TI has so many other things going on that ruined the kind of ruined his chances of being that hip-hop political leader so now I think they're grooming Jeezy and excuse me Jay Jenkins let me let me get it right yeah and he's married to the Asian lady from The View

2:23:12 which I think was a power move. Wait a minute, the Asian lady from the view? Not the view, but the real, the real, the real, the real. Oh, I was gonna say. Okay. Oh, a power couple. Yeah, so they're trying to make a political power couple, I believe. So just keep eyeing. So now he's, I got a foul on you, Jeezy. So I mean, so, and then, and just icing on the cake, he came out with a diss song right after this, dissing Lil Wayne and 50 Cents. Oh, Trump guys. Yeah, gee, I wonder why you'd want to diss them. How sick is this? How sick is that? I didn't realize that.

2:23:56 That's just nuts. Yeah, none of this is by happenstance. No, no, no, it's not. Now you understand why I laid out the trap in the trap. It wasn't about the verses. It's about the two trajectories that these stars, these celebrities are on. So now that's where Jeezy is headed in my opinion. And now this is Gucci Mane and his, uh, This is a conversation he had with Charlemagne about his transformation. Can't say I'm as disciplined as Malcolm X, but I do I read that book That was one of my favorite autobiographies and um it definitely inspired me because I read when I was in prison and I damn from when he was saying like he Couldn't really read good He opened up the dictionary to a and just start reading it and all the stuff he was going through in prison And you know to do he had in there who like giving them game a lot of things he went through I felt like you know, I share some of those experience. What was that spark in prison? That made you start picking up

2:25:03 Just books and reading and stuff? I think it started with fear, anxiety, paranoia from how much time I was gonna get. So all the running, the reading, all that was kind of like, I was trying to find some silence in there. There was a lot of pressure on me. I'd run up and down the steps, I'd read a book. I was trying to do anything to get my mind off of, you know, Feeling like I know the future because the future seemed like it was gonna be bad, you know So I just kind of like focus on what I can do now They were kind of give me a little piece make me feel better And I used to feel like I had a set of rules I had to live by you do this to me I do this to you if you say this to me I do this so it's always I'm justified you snitch on me. I supposed to hurt you you steal something from me I supposed to come to your house and scurrying it you hit me I'm supposed to hit you back, you know and

2:25:51 And then it get to the point where you start be like, well, shit, I'm already into it with you. I might as well go on offense. Why am I waiting on you to hit me for? So it's just a terrible place to be. A lot of that is street rules though. Yeah, know what I'm saying? I had a set of rules that I followed to the team. But I made myself follow these rules. Ain't nobody say, hey, this what you got to do. This is what I feel, right. This is the person I want to be. I want to be held to this standard. I'm going to start at the end and work my way back. When he went to jail for the last time, he made a total transformation. Physically, I mean, when he went in, I think he was saying he was like 85 pounds overweight, addicted to lean. Hello? Yes. Oh, no, you're still... No, no, no. He was addicted... I'm listening. Yeah, he was addicted to lean and unhealthy mentally, and he changed himself.

2:26:46 And he blamed nobody for it. He was like, I was like this, I live these rules and the rules he laid out, the street rules is that mind trap. And he explained, I felt if you did this to me, I need to do this to you. Right. To be proactive about it, you know, preemptive strikes. So, but when he went in, he transfer on did this transformation similar to what Malcolm X did. And I'm not saying he's the next Malcolm X, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you look at these two men and the path they're taking. One is saying, you know, going through the politics, which Jesus, that's why I laid out the point, he's always been corporate-minded, being part of the structure, the apparatus. And you have this guy, Gucci Man was independent,

2:27:40 this kind of thing and then he goes in and he does his complete 180 to the point where he comes out in shape on top of his business. I mean complete utter change and it was he changed himself and if I had to choose a path for so-called black men is change yourself I'm going with the Gucci message of don't wait for somebody to change you, change yourself. Be reflective on what things that don't work for you. And that's why I'm just, I wanted to lay that out. So you're probably wondering why somebody like Stacey Abrams and Dr. Carr and Karen Hunter and all these people are,

2:28:33 Won't the influence of these celebrities? Well, not only so they're not celebrities. They're street celebrities I have the answer for you Okay, you want to say something before we give me ask any questions before we go. I know I said a lot well I mean why? That was kind of obvious they they want to I mean what I heard Stacy saying was in the an encourage you to vote So you'd think that but I have a feeling it's bigger maybe deeper. I It is deeper. 29. I knew that the great lack of most of the big-named Negro leaders was their lack of any true rapport with the ghetto Negroes. How could they have rapport when they spent most of their time integrating with white people? I knew that the ghetto people knew that I never left the ghetto in spirit, and I never left it physically any more than I had to. I had a ghetto instinct.

2:29:30 For instance, I could feel if tension was beyond normal in the ghetto audience, and I could speak and understand the ghetto's language. There was an example of this that always flew into my mind every time I heard some of the big-name Negro leaders declaring they spoke for the ghetto black people. After a Harlem Street rally, one of these downtown leaders and I were talking about the ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless, and anxious for some action. I could talk over the ABC, CBS, or NBC microphones at Harvard or at Tuskegee. I could talk with the so-called middle class Negro and with the ghetto blacks whom all the other leaders just talked about. And because I had been a hustler, I knew better than all whites knew, and better than nearly all the black leaders knew, that actually the most dangerous black man in America was the ghetto hustler. Why do I say this? The hustler out there in the ghetto jungles has less respect for the white power structure than any other negro in North America.

2:30:25 The ghetto hustler is internally restrained by nothing. He has no religion, no concept of morality, no civic responsibility, no fear, nothing. So this is why they're clamoring for the support of street celebrities. Right. Because if they ever can change their mind like Malcolm X did, you gotta remember Malcolm X wasn't Malcolm X but for a very small portion of his life. In that small town, the potency It's kind of a control thing. We have to control the minds of these street people because if they realize that they can change their minds, then they come off the plantation. Right. So, okay. So, so it sounds like there's not necessarily good things in store for Gucci Mane. If he pushes the envelope too far, I don't like to put that kind of negativity out there. But if you start changing people's mind too fast,

2:31:26 Yeah, you've seen it happen over the course of this show. You see what happens. Exactly. I mean, I'm dangerous now for you Yeah, they come they come for your arm Your image first and if they can't get your image And that's the thing they could that's problem with Malcolm X cuz all his stuff was out there all his previous life was out there Oh, if you want to juxtapose that to like a mount on Martin the King right his image could be damaged by whatever secrets he had or supposedly had Then it goes to, you know, it's like the silver or the lead kind of thing. First they bribe you with silver and if they can't change your mind, then lead is the option. But I don't want to put that out there, but I just want to show you what is, this is why the inner city black man or the, I want to say inner city, I want to say something, it's something about a person that says, you know what, I know the risk.

2:32:32 of doing said activity. But I am going to take my own life in my own hands because I can't live in squalor. And I can't live in poverty. So now, like you said, if you could take that same mentality and weaponize it with actual knowledge is very dangerous. That's why right now Malcolm X is way more potent. He wasn't reading Martin Luther King. No, this is not Malcolm Martin Luther King, but he wasn't reading Martin Luther King when he went to prison. Right. It's because Malcolm X spoke the street lingo.

2:33:12 And he spoke to the street people and he never lost that connection. And I think Jeezy Man has the same potential because the young kids love him. He still has a career to this day. The young people love him because he never, that tether is there, you know, he never severed that tether. I know it's a lot to take in, but... No, no, I'm following along. I'm just wondering if we're gonna get a MLK versus Malcolm X type split here. I don't know if that's in the cards. I don't think it's in the cards, but I'm thinking these are representations of... These are... I don't know if icon's the right word, but these are...

2:33:56 representation of the two kind of black men that exists now. Right, and so clearly the one who reforms himself comes out with a different attitude, different message, no longer mind-trapped. This is a problem for Stacey Abrams. He's a problem for a lot of people because the bottom you're talking about ruining the bottom. Yeah, we're not just talking about the voting habits of people. We're talking about ruining the bottom which if you destroy it a foundation of a home. Right. I know it's a lot, but I guess we can go back. This is the reading from Malcolm X's, I didn't say that before. This is the reading from the autobiography of Malcolm X. I guess we can buy Joe Morton. Let's put some respect on his name and let's get into 4.2. To survive, he is out there constantly preying upon others, probing for any human weaknesses like a ferret.

2:34:51 The ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless and anxious for some action. Whatever he undertakes, he commits himself to it fully. Absolutely. What makes the ghetto hustler yet more dangerous is his glamour image to the school dropout youth in the ghetto. These ghetto teenagers see the hell caught by their parents struggling to get somewhere or see that they have given up struggling in the prejudiced, intolerant white man's world. The ghetto teenagers make up their own minds that they would rather be like the hustler who they see dressed sharp and flashing money and displaying no respect for anybody or anything.

2:35:27 So the ghetto youth become attracted to the hustler worlds of dope, thievery, prostitution and general crime and immorality. Yeah. This guy Malcolm was perfect. And I'm not talking about on the divine sense, but his understanding of the social dynamic to be unformally educated. And that's that's so me. And that's why I don't buy into I got to say something because this is what irks me. It's this thing floating around this meme of Pookie and Ray Ray and what that is is like you would consider like Gucci Van and Jeezy and these guys as Pookie and Ray Ray's right? They're no good. They have no value to society, right? But bro, the only reason I'm sitting here at 40 years old and the you know, the the biggest success I have is my father and

2:36:27 He undergirded me with a confidence and a sense of safety. You didn't need to go out and find that male energy. Right, and that's what we're saying, that's why I play the gang clips in the small town. Because if you don't have the energy inside the home, you'll get it outside. It's like this guy has the money and he beat the system and you know, like, here's the, everybody thinks that All these rappers are gangsters and they're this and they're that. To those kids, they're Robin Hood. Because that's what they're selling. I'm not saying they actually are, but that's what they're selling to the kids that we're Robin Hood, robbing from the rich and giving to the poor. Which that's not the case because all the resources you're taking is from your own community. And that's why I have this... Right, but in the mind trap, he's beating the man. He's beating white supremacy.

2:37:32 So because this is why they're celebrating because he's getting paid therefore. He's beating the system. He's going around it Yeah, and like I said before about s the guy I was talking about that I had close proximity to when you're buying all the food and you're hey kid You know saying here's just a couple hundred dollars for some gym shoes or let me sponsor this this basketball team It's not all bad I keep saying before, El Chapo was celebrated in his community. No matter how much harm and murder he brought to Mexico, in his community, he was celebrated because he took care of them. But at a larger level, that's the same in politics. It's the same, you know, people are celebrated because they've done such great things and they can be incredible gangsters and crooks under the hood. Many are.

2:38:27 But if you're secure in the bag for the people that support you, it's like screw the other side. That's why politics is very similar to street culture and gang culture because it's about what can I do for the people that support me. So I mean, I know I went a little far there, but I want to miss Pookie and Ray Ray. It's a lot of redeemable people and all walks of life. And then there's other people that we think have made it that need to be called out because if you're trying to use your celebrity just to subjugate people further, that's why I don't have a problem with anybody I bring up in the show personally.

2:39:12 But if that's what you're trying to do and not have people be self-reliant and learn for themselves... No, then you're enemy of the state, if not enemy of the culture. Right. It's not for the culture. You're for your benefit as Bob Woodson laid out. So I guess we can... It's also to fulfill his own mind trap. You're in that trap. You're in a loop. You got to keep going. The trap is on both sides. And I'm glad you're great. I'm gonna open on home. If you see yourself as Robin Hood, it's like, oh yeah, let me go secure this for the people and bring it back to them by them voting.

2:39:55 We can get some government programs and things that nature if you become self-reliant and form your own community and work inside your own community we could have much more and if we realize our power voting and spending and even with this one of the biggest things I celebrate Gucci for is his physical transformation because this is what really ails black people at the end of the day one of the biggest problems is our health and is what we consume and you see it play out with COVID and we mentioned that before so even the changing of the physical his changing of his mind has reflected in his changing of his physical appearance. Now is this now I'm not saying like I said I'm not celebrating him as a Malcolm X I'm not doing that but all I'm saying is

2:40:41 Progress is progress. Now is this recognized besides you obviously but people say damn you got a shit together. This is good This is oh man. He's looking good. He's there's and do people see it as a release valve a way out It's a possibility. Is that recognized? Yeah, even Charlemagne had to give him credit. Like, wow, you really turned it around and he beat the mind trap. And the mind trap being, I have, I know I'm going on the long winded today, but we have to understand this. The rules and what we call street is really penitentiary rules.

2:41:19 You look at when you lock people up, they turn into animals. And it's you look to me the wrong way. And when you have people fresh out of being institutionalized, and bring that mentality back to the hood, it's like you look to me the wrong way. I gotta I gotta do something about that right now. And I'm not saying this, like I said, this is not something I've heard or read in a book. People when they come home from jail they had they until they get acclimated back into society. They have a whole different Time they move on yeah, we're as a whole different mentality as as a country, but it's the same in every country we're very poor at at helping people get back into quote-unquote a

2:42:02 civilian life, whether you're coming from the military or whether you're coming from the penitentiary. It doesn't matter. Neither one. I mean, I know friends who've been to penitentiary and the process is... and this is a white guy for white collar crime. And this is, you know, a good friend of mine, he's been out for three years, he still can't get his life really back together. And the military is another great example because you're operating on a different wavelength when you're in life-or-death situations. Correct. And being institutionalized and being in military, well, what I'll say, hot situations during the military,

2:42:46 You don't have time to make, I mean, I'm just being, you know, with family members that were in wars. When they first come home, you can't approach them in a certain way. You can't just startle them in a certain way. So, like I said, I know I was long-winded on that. We can go ahead and jump to 32. It scared me the first time I really saw the danger of these ghetto teenagers if they are ever sparked into violence. One sweltering summer afternoon, I attended a Harlem street rally which contained a lot of these teenagers in the crowd. I had been invited by some responsible Negro leaders who normally never spoke to me.

2:43:23 I knew they had just used my name to help them draw a crowd. The more I thought about it on the way there, the hotter I got. And when I got on the stand, I just told the crowd in the street that I wasn't really wanted up there, that my name had been used, and I walked off the speaker's stand. Well, what did I want to do that for? While those young teenage Negroes got upset and started milling around and yelling, upsetting the older Negroes in the crowd. The first thing you know, traffic was blocked in four directions by a crowd whose mood quickly grew so ugly that I really got apprehensive. I got on top of a car and began waving my arms and yelling at them to quiet down. They did quiet, and then I asked them to disperse, and they did. This was when it began being said that I was America's only Negro who could stop a race riot cold or start one. I don't know if I could do either one, but I know one thing.

2:44:17 It had taught me in a very few minutes to have a whole lot of respect for the human combustion that is packed among the hustlers and the young admirers who live in the ghettos where the northern white man has sealed off the Negro away from whites for a hundred years Wow, that's cool. I've not read this autobiography, but that moment of holy crap I can do it either one I can stop a race right or I can start one when you when you realize that yourself Wow big stuff power as big power. Yeah power and We've seen this start with what we call the third way weaponized in this country. So and that's just awful

2:45:03 just off of monetary, I believe, of with the riots and everything. You know, like the first wave is the the protesters and activists. Second wave is the agent provocateurs. And then the third wave, if you could actually control that third wave, because it's uncontrolled right now, it's just a force, right? But if somebody could actually channel and control, that's a scary thought. That's a scary thought for a lot of people. Well, it depends. If you can control the wave to do something more positive, that would be great. It's still scary for a lot of people because they want the mayhem. We can't have that. And now you see the problem with Malcolm X? It's like, yeah, that's great. You can do it. But if we can't control you and tell you which way you got to do it, you're no good to us. Yes.

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2:52:41 And the thing I had with Van Jones was, I don't know, it's who are you crying for more than the act of crying? Well sure, but I want to understand something that you said. You've got to be careful how you show your weakness as a black man. So I'm presuming this means certain weaknesses are unacceptable to the culture, frowned upon. Why? Are you not allowed to show emotion? What's the problem? Forget the phony emotion, obviously. There's a term called being food and if you appear to be weak or easily pushed over that can be taken advantage of. Now I'm not saying that's the right, it's kind of like that mind trap thing that Gucci Mane was referring to, these rules. It's hard bake in your mind.

2:53:44 So I'm still struggling with myself. It's just that... Well, just a question. Do you think this is different in any other culture or any other race, color? I don't know. I mean, I can't speak for it. I mean, this is just my... Because I think it's the same. From my perspective. Yeah. I think in media, this may be the difference. If you're doing that on television, I don't think it matters who you are. Or what your background is. It will be viewed in a certain way depending on the topic. I think when you cry on television, it's a very specific thing. It's something that used to be only seen on the Barbara Walters year-end special.

2:54:32 So in some ways it's heralded as, oh my gosh, look he is sensitive. And I think that's what happened with Van Jones in general, to the general population who watch CNN. I think that was seen as a very courageous, courageous thing. Whereas me, you, everyone else looks and go, what a bunch of crap. Or what are you really crying for, Van? I'm just saying, I don't know if that's, if it's any different in white or black culture to be seen as weak. Like I said, I don't know, but it's more not, like I said, crying, it's fear, overly compassionate. These things can be used against you, or it's my perception as a black man with pips, that it could be used against you as a

2:55:28 weakness so may I suggest as a white man that you open your mind because if controlled effectively showing these emotions Can be a very powerful tool So I'm just saying it's that sounds like mind trap to me when you say was a black man if you cried That's bad news. Well, maybe that's mind trap too. It is okay, but my anger Let's just take crying off the table. Let's look at anger. Okay, much better. I agree. Yeah. I made this statement a while back on a show. I can't remember which one it was. About angry black men. Yeah, even their appearance of being angry. And I have people to this day, if I'm thinking, I scowl. And they'll say, everything all right? You got resting bitch faces. I'm like, why does everybody keep asking me am I all right?

2:56:29 But my wife calls it I got knots on my head right cuz I mean like wow, you're thinking Yeah, I'm processing my hourglass is turning here so um, but to other people the appearance is He might snap no any moment he might blow and I think as a black man since we're hyper hyper masculinized It's seen different when we cry because oh I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just giving a right now I get analysis of yeah, so we're talking about him. This is a good good. Let's give me hold on Adam. Can you get the door, please? Yeah, hold on a second Okay, just us. All right. Yeah when it comes to anger and so emotions in general, but when it comes to anger and

2:57:25 I would just say that there's more and more examples these days with lockdowns and other things where we see angry black men on YouTube or Twitter and they're saying stuff and the angry part Works very effectively and it's not seen as scary. There's a I'm just talking from a white man's perspective It's like oh wow someone's really pissed off and they're making a lot of sense and the end you know, it's very attention-grabbing It's a little different than what you're talking about because I can see where that's a thing Oh, man, he's like that guy's like is he ready to pop off? but when when when real anger frustration is showed

2:58:05 I think it's very effective these days. It may be something of only just the past little bit, whereas you get an angry white man yelling on YouTube. It's like, ah, what a fool. Do you understand what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying, but let me counter that with this. This is why Barack Obama couldn't pop off. Yes. Yeah. He could never pull what Trump... Now he did cry. Now he did, but that's acceptable because of his demographic that he was trying to reach. So that's acceptable. But to say, hey, you talk to the president here, don't ever talk to the president. Like if he did that, oh hell no. But I mean, so I always like when we have conversations. Well, I'm glad we're talking about this because I'm going to pay a little more attention to it and how I feel about it. Because I think

2:58:57 I think that, well I know from this show my attitude has changed. We've talked about this before. Where I actually saw a very angry black man on the street who was yelling at me and I had an incredible sensation of calm. I'm like, get on the sidewalk. I was not scared or anything. And maybe that's interracial, but say maybe it's two black men. And I'll say this, I have a close friend He had an incident where he hit a door with his door and the dude was like, what's up? And if he came back with what's up those two words. So what you saying there? I mean, that's how it goes. Like what's up? So what you saying then and it could devolve into something different. So we just have to be not have to be let me stop saying that.

2:59:54 It's the perception that we have to move on a different time. Okay, good. So it's all mind trap then? Yeah, it is a mind trap. I totally, I 100% agree it's a mind trap. Alright, shoot. It's getting stuffy in here, so let me out. Yes, please, please. Okay, much better. Hey everybody, we're back. And while we were saying that, something when we talked about, you know, what we were talking about behind closed doors, something came to my mind. Are we out of the donation segment? Yes, well I didn't actually tell everybody how you can help us because we just went straight into that.

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3:01:13 And thank you all once again for supporting Mo Facts with Adam Curry episode number 55. I almost missed a valid point I wanted to make, so I'm glad we had that conversation we did. There was one song missing from this verses that I'm surprised that didn't get played on Jeezy's part and that's My President is Black. He didn't play it. Which that was the song he made for Barack Obama when he got re-elected in 2008. But he chose not to play it, which was a glaring omission for me. Like, is Barack Obama that toxic? That he didn't want to play it? Or he didn't want to seem like a Democratic operative by playing it? But it was one of his biggest hits.

3:02:07 So it not to be played and you got me of your top 20 songs. Well, maybe I don't want to put that out there. No, I think that you know considering who he's who he's in bed with figuratively The last thing we the last thing we want is anyone thinking about Obama like now we got to move forward towards Joe But no, you know, you want to conjure up those feelings of Joe's guy. You think? You think that's good? You think that they want to conjure up Obama? I mean, isn't he toxic at this point for the culture? That's my point. Is he so toxic? I think so. Because that was the whole thing that Joe is a... Racist. Racist. No, but Joe is a...

3:02:52 revisiting or coming back to the old Obama third term. Right. Well I don't think anyone's fooled. But he didn't play that song. I found that as, I'm glad that we stopped and had that conversation because that sparked that thought coming. I had it, I made a note of that. Well my feeling is, my feeling is Obama is considered toxic by the culture or for the for the new Democrat Party. That's, I think that's true. I believe that was my thing. I think with maybe Dooley, the two points I laid out, one that he is toxic and two that would have been a red flag to a lot of people. Oh yeah, we know what's going on. Yep, I agree.

3:03:32 So I promise to Share with you the origin of making it rain. Oh, yeah, so let's get to 34 land three point one point three that type of shit But I'm still on the same mission. I was on when I met me. You know what I'm saying? I'm just me who's me? Yeah Is that the part where the program stops? You ain't never heard of Big Meets? I may have, but... And then you travel around everywhere and learn about different things all over the world? But this is how I learn about it, is by asking. Oh. Well, Big Meets is Big Meets, man. I don't know how to explain that. Nobody ever asked me that question. That's crazy. Nobody ever asked me that.

3:04:15 I don't know how to answer it. We got our own houses. We got our own cars. We got our own hoes We got our own clothes, you know, I'm saying we can't be stopped. I don't see nobody stop I don't see no undercover after a seat. No, nobody I never do this again. There's this many niggas in this much money can't get along Big Meech No, so Big Meech is the leader of the black mafia family. Okay, which is They had, Jeezy was affiliated with them, a part of them. It's very unclear what the relationship was. Some people say that they took him in as far as, you know, he was like the music arm of BMF, but he was definitely affiliated with them. And Black Mafia family was, cover your ears kid, they were the shit.

3:05:05 I mean like, I mean, okay, this how much money they had. They will buy winning lottery tickets to launder their money. So on the hope that one of them paid off? No, if somebody won. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. So if you're a winner, they will look at that meal, we'll give you 1.2. Give us the ticket. Oh, okay. Okay. Wow. That's big. They had a billboard downtown Atlanta saying the world is ours. This is why the dude was like, he was a member of a black mafia family. You never heard of Big Meech? Like, I mean, that was offensive. And these are the guys that created or it's the legend goals that they created making it rain.

3:06:00 Because they would go in and just make it rain. Just tsunami cash to the point where you couldn't see the floor cash. They would pull up two or three tour buses back to back. And I'm not saying 27 year old me that was like wow like that that is that's hot you know what I mean like that I mean knowing the implications of drugs and everything in that community I get that but This is the this is the mind screw that you go through of seeing people created as Legends, but then what they became legendary for right, but those were those got yeah BMF adult Rick Ross got a song called big meach and he didn't even saying like I mean what I mean by that is

3:06:54 To have a song titled after a person and then like the hook goes on Big Meech I'm like Larry Hoover. Yeah, you're legendary. Legendary. So, Jeezy, we'll have a clip of him speaking about him and Big Meech's relationship because it's gonna pay off in the end but let's listen to That clip what's that relationship like these days with each being gone for? What do they give like 30 40? Yeah? I'm a she still wanna go to magic right now We tell my magic city. I mean you can't like wait wait, dude. You can't kill his spirit, man He's a different type of dude man And he just always been a strong individual man, and I don't think the prison is you know it is what it is man But I just think that

3:07:40 He's not letting it kill his spirits, man. When you talk to him, he's in the best of spirits and he's always calling and talking to people. You would think he was home. You can't hear it in his voice. Some people, they get in there and you hear breaking them down. He's cool, man. He's keeping his head. I give him that. What do you think made Meech you know, drew so many people to me. What was the problem? Because he cared, my nigga, like, he really did. Like, he's a genuine dude and I just think... You know, he just always wanted to see people in a better place. You know, even the conversations that we had and I'll be the first to say when I first, you know, started popping off my music with great like me, just one of my biggest fans. Like he loved it. Like I would do shit and come from the studio and get in the car with him. We ride and smoke and listen to that shit and just trip. You know what I mean? Like, and he would just be like, ah, nigga, you said that he loved it.

3:08:35 Wow, it's just reading the Wikipedia man. These guys have a pretty big organization going on. They are trying to multi-state, we could say national ring. Those are the guys that come into your neighborhood and like, hey, we're setting up franchises. But they were loved. I mean, that's why I keep bringing up El Chapo because to the people they care for. Now, I mean, I can't, not see the mayhem and violence and destruction that was brought to the neighborhood due to their actions. How much of this is actually mirroring the glamour of El Chapo or I would say probably still popular Scarface? I will probably say more Pablo Escobar. Oh, Escobar. But also Scarface, I mean the world is mine. I mean that was what Scarface put on

3:09:34 Remember that was his line. Oh Scarface has a huge and we spoke about this. Yeah, we did. Yeah, this Scarface has a huge Impact on the culture because he's coming from the bottom starting from nothing Making your way up and and and making yourself into you know a substantial figure that resonates on a certain level So here's here's how it must work if you're doing this multi-state hundreds of millions of dollars You're recognized by the political establishment. You're recognized by the white criminals in the system. And I think it's probably, it's all intertwined. And with politics, it cannot be, you cannot run this country. Goggles, Curry, goggles. All right, I'm sorry. Sorry. All right, I can't see crap now. All right. We're getting there. We're getting there. You and your future travels. I'm sorry.

3:10:32 Uh, so what that that was Jeezy in 2000, I think 12. Well, things sour between him and Big Meech and I'll let Big Meech speak for himself. Links are in the description, let's get it. It ain't like we coming out. People that know us will tell you like them dudes are some of the coolest dudes moving across the face of the earth. You know, we come in, we got drinks for everybody. You know, you come in with your man, them, they family. We all family. Now, if I'm out with Maya and trying to show Maya a good time and some Just off-brand dude come by and grab my ass and say yo, bitch. What up? We gonna mop the floor with his ass It's called respect Boy is not going crazy in there. Gee the you tell my cheesy from from the bay. Oh

3:11:25 Oh John Jeezy from Atlanta. Yeah. Oh you talking about J Jenkins young Jesus. That's what you call. It's a lot of Jeezy's man, but um So you're like is he really like well respected in the streets and stuff out there. Yeah, yeah the whole homo community level I'm not playing no games with you I don't cuz you know when the movement started he's one of the faces of it right and then you know when everything went down You know if he's like he's separated. I don't mean look. I mean whatever you want to clear up you could clear up I'm gonna tell you like this I like the man music because I always did. That's why I fucked with him from Jump Street. I'm not no hater. But if you and your homeboys is walking through the mall and it's three of y'all and then 15 guys come and say, we finna beat y'all ass. And the nigga that run, that was Jeezy. He was the nigga that ran. Oh, slap. Yeah. So he, when Jeezy got on with fame and you know, celebrity and

3:12:27 Had the huge rick contract and all the... Yeah, you start to lose your credibility. No, he did a one... I don't know no black mafia family. That would not not lose credibility. He was... But I'll say this, in the matter of self-preservation, the kind of numbers they were facing, I'm not, I'm not, I'm this kind of person. If I'm in it, I'm in it. And if I'm not in it, I'm not in it. That's why I can never participate in these kind of groups or any group because I am for myself and not in a selfish way, but I can't put taking the fall even if I have nothing to do with it, you know, for somebody else, I can never do that. You know what I mean? I'm just being honest with you.

3:13:15 And I think out of self-preservation and geez, I mean, I've made it. I've got where I need to go. You're screaming BMF on every record, but then when they ask you, do you know anything about BMF? No, I don't know no BMF. I don't know what you're talking about. And I think to a guy like Big Meech, who's really in it, I mean like, like I said, blood in, blood out. You can't get out. You know, you have to- You just gotta stay in. Right, but I mentioned this before with Flynn. The same thing. It's the same mentality. If you're riding with Trump, you catch a case, you don't rat. No. Metaphor is still sitting up. He didn't rat. General Flynn, he didn't rat. But then Michael Cohen, Jesus liked the Michael Cohen. Yeah, that's a good analogy. That's a good analogy.

3:14:14 So that's why it's like, it's not about, you know, you don't, you just don't turn your back on it. So I'm gonna play this next clip and this is a, from show 28 black don't crack to, to kind of, this is how drug dealers, kingpins can kind of absolve themselves from, well, somebody has got to sell drugs if I don't sell it. And this is from new Jack city, the court scene, you're the one who was guilty. Lawmakers, the politicians, the Colombian drug lords, all you who lobby against making drugs legal, just like you did with alcohol during the prohibition. You're the one who's guilty. I mean, come on, let's kick the ballistics here. Ain't no Uzi's made in Harlem. I mean, not one of us in here owns a poppy field. This thing is bigger than Nino Brown. This is big business. This is the American way. Okay, my goggles are still on, so I'm just not gonna say anything.

3:15:18 Yeah, so I mean that was the logic of we ain't bringing it here so If you're going to get mad at somebody, get mad at the right people or how are you going to be a hypocrite and be mad at us and not the other people? Now, I mean, there's nuance to that argument, but I'm just telling you how the logic works for somebody that's on a high level like that, from my understanding. And Nino Brown, to a lot of people is seen as a hero because he made it. And if the ultimate goal is making it, it doesn't matter how they make it.

3:15:55 So I found this interesting clip from BMF Jabari and he touches on a point that I made a long time ago about adrenaline. My drug of choice was adrenaline. My drug of choice was the family, you know, that familiar, that's bigger than almost any drug out there on earth. And the adrenaline of driving in a car cross-country, 2,000 plus miles, 100 kilos in there, and you're the only one in the world in that state that knows it's there, you know, that adrenaline rush,

3:16:32 Is beyond dope or anything for me? I don't use drugs. I don't drink. I don't touch I don't taste or nothing, but that was my drug Wow And these were a lot of bright ambitious young men if given maybe a different path they were probably would have you know saying turned out differently, but I This goes to show you that he didn't drink, he didn't do anything, but adrenaline. I think I've made that point before about a lot of these kids running around doing the shooting and playing this game. And I'll go back a little bit to the Kendrick Lamar. Spoiler alert, that was kind of what they were doing, running around, playing the game.

3:17:19 popping shots off at people at each other and somebody gets killed in the process. And then one scene from the skit in the Kendrick Lamar album, it was like, we're gonna pop a few shots and you know, and then that ha ha, the dudes actually said ha ha after they shot the neighborhood up in the skit. Because it's not taken seriously. You know, it's just somebody actually gets hit. So I just want to make that point about adrenaline and it's no different I think in the mentality of a guy going down a slope on the X Games 50 foot slope on a skateboard. You know what we used to do for our adrenaline? Rock fights. So yeah, I know. I know how stupid are we.

3:18:05 So, rock fights, yeah, somehow there was two teams. I don't really, I think, I do remember, this was in Holland by the way, so it's a whole different culture altogether, but it would be the kids from a village up the road. And there was a house being demolished, and so there was lots of rocks around and stuff. And I can't even remember how it happened. We just started a rock fight, and we're throwing rocks at each other, until one kid got a fucking hole in his head. And then all of a sudden we were like, damn, that was dumb. Let's go home. But it was pure adrenaline. I remember it vividly like holy crap I could get a hole in my head. Wow this is cool that we didn't have guns but if we had them we probably would have used them too. And but nowadays these young kids have access to guns all over the place. So early on and that's why I say GBG because I'm gonna start GBBG, give black boys guns

3:19:04 And I know that a lot of people had a sticker shot of me like, oh, what did he just say? I think if you take your black boys out, teach them how to hunt, respect the gun, see what it's like to see life pour out of an animal. I mean, you're going to eat the animal or whatever, but I think that's why the lack of respect for guns is part of the problem in our community as well because it's a campaign. Oh golly, yeah, but that used to be culture. You used to take your shotgun, your .22, not your shotgun, you take your .22 to school, put it in your locker, I'm going hunting later, going shooting later. I was talking to a friend, he's like, I'm taking my son out to get his first book. And I'm sure once he sees that animal die, total disrespect for that tool called a firearm. So I know I'm all over the place today, but I just want to make that point as well. But that's Big Meech. And I'm going to say this about Jeezy. If you have the governor's ear and the president's ear, if Meech wants to come home,

3:20:10 and restore order in the streets. Right now, we're post, the analogy I would say, we're post Osama right now. Remember how crazy it was in Afghanistan in the Middle East when you took out Osama or Saddam Hussein? Yeah. Now you have like five other warlords vying for the spot. Mayhem, mayhem, of course. Whenever you take out someone big in the gang or in the mob or organized crime, it's always a fight for who's the boss now. So I'm gonna say this. Remember when Kanye went first talk to Trump in the Oval Office. Yeah, he was talking about bringing Larry Hoover home And he was also mentioned in this song big meech by Rick Ross

3:20:54 I'm like Big Meech, I'm like Larry Hoover. So if Meech, Larry Hoover can come home, restore order to the streets, I'm all for it. And I think GZ needs to ask. I know people are like, what are you talking about Moe? I am not anti-organized crime. The reason why I say that is I am a realist that know crime is gonna exist. Vice is gonna exist. If you saw a thing in Portland, they've legalized the possession of drugs. So I mean, we've gotten to the point where People are gonna get high people are gonna participate in prostitution people are gonna participate in gambling now It's like if we can bring these well respected people home respected by their peers and the guys that came up like them and they can restore order where we don't have guys getting shot in the mall and shot in the streets and all kind of mayhem where it can reach

3:21:50 civilians I'm all for it. I'm for anything that brings solutions to our community. I know that sounds crazy but even in the streets you got to have some kind of order. It sounds well it sounds hopeful and yes as long as there are drugs and as long as those drugs are illegal then there's going to be... I I got to peek out from under the goggles because yeah, this is all going on with street drugs. Meanwhile, Purdue Pharma just admitted they were drug dealers, acting with a whole freaking network of legal drugs. They pay a fine. No one goes to jail. None of the doctors, the pill mills. And of course that trickled down to the street as well.

3:22:40 None of it. And these guys, I would say in the opioid game, are above the street gangs. We're handing it down. And first we said all the rich white people get it and then, oh, we got some excess, let's distribute it over here. Maybe those kids can turn it into lean or whatever, mix it up. But those are the criminals. The criminals are there, and as long as you've got these two systems, they're meant to work together. They're baked into the system. It's a part of it. And I don't know, we may find out if we've had systemic voter fraud in our republic for the past 40 years.

3:23:18 And that will, and if that is demonstrated and shown to the American people, that will freak a lot of people out. Wait until you find out what's really going on. What's really going on. Because all of this, to me, what's happening on the streets in the PIP urban areas is part of the same thing. And it's intended to be kept that way. Yeah, and I'll go back to and we can go into the next clip after this one. I'll go back to the Godfather line when they were debating. Well, they were at the same point I'm at now. It's going to be a drug trade, right? Because I mean, that's what the Michael Cole owns father was arguing against. Like, don't you know, we don't need to get into the drug game.

3:22:40 None of it. And these guys, I would say in the opioid game, are above the street gangs. We're handing it down. And first we said all the rich white people get it and then, oh, we got some excess, let's distribute it over here. Maybe those kids can turn it into lean or whatever, mix it up. But those are the criminals. The criminals are there, and as long as you've got these two systems, they're meant to work together. They're baked into the system. It's a part of it. And I don't know, we may find out if we've had systemic voter fraud in our republic for the past 40 years.

3:23:18 And that will, and if that is demonstrated and shown to the American people, that will freak a lot of people out. Wait until you find out what's really going on. What's really going on. Because all of this, to me, what's happening on the streets in the PIP urban areas is part of the same thing. And it's intended to be kept that way. Yeah, and I'll go back to and we can go into the next clip after this one. I'll go back to the Godfather line when they were debating. Well, they were at the same point I'm at now. It's going to be a drug trade, right? Because I mean, that's what the Michael Cole owns father was arguing against. Like, don't you know, we don't need to get into the drug game.

3:24:04 everybody was the other four families I would convince them like there's gonna be a drug market and then what do they say long as you keep it down there with the n-words yes exactly exactly that's exactly what they said and it's nest that's a movie but that's been the sentiment because when you listen to this neck clip clip from James Bradley talk about the Roosevelt opium in power I'm out in I'm out in China and I find that the grandfather of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, his name was Warren Delano, was the opium king of China. The fortune that Franklin Delano Roosevelt lived off of, custom-made suits, nice houses, sailboats, vacations, summer homes,

3:24:49 He didn't make that money. He inherited from Grandpa Warren Delano, the opium king of China. Cabot House at Harvard, opium. Skull and Bones at Yale, opium. The Low Library at Columbia, opium money. If you go on the Princeton website, at least they're honest, they will admit that their first biggest benefactor, John Green, was an opium dealer with Warren Delano. Well, the book is full of surprises. I'll let you judge. It didn't change my view about America so much. What it did is change my view about American historians. Yes, poorly documented. No argument there. Absolutely. Right. And I think this is what you alluded to about the power structure. And I'll say this last thing because you brought it up, the opioid epidemic. And people are like, well, you know, they didn't treat black people, white people like they did black people doing the crack error. And that's a very astute observation, but I don't think they understand the reason why.

3:25:49 It's not about the victim or the user of the drug. It was about who was going to be put in handcuffs if you, if something comes down, it would have been a bunch of doctors that would have had to been perp walk out of their legitimate establishment. And that is not going to happen because the drug doctors have a lobby. They have a lobby. So they're like, nah, that's not going to happen. And so they're like, we'll pay a penalty. The pharmaceutical companies and they took the hit. So the doctors didn't have to. It wasn't even covered, brother. It was not even covered on the news. It was a throwaway line. Hundreds of thousands of people dead because of this one company.

3:26:32 And it wasn't covered because not because of the color of the skin, maybe to a lesser extent, maybe the color of skin of people that died. It was about who sold it to them. That's the problem. And that's why they didn't prosecute them in the same manner because doctors are not getting locked up. That's just not happening in this country. But also, the media is... Who's the number one advertiser on television? Number one! Hello, pharma! You're not gonna say anything about pharma because that's your bread and butter. You do not, do not talk negatively about pharma. So it's a scam. And once again, look who's getting the bad end of the stick.

3:27:13 And so that leads us into the next clip, the MENA connection. What forces could be responsible for compromising the entire system of justice? Bill Clinton certainly knows. He was the governor of Arkansas who allowed the subversion of his state government by the shadowy forces radiating from the Reagan Bush White House. When ex-CIA director William Casey began using the CIA to illegally conduct secret foreign policy. This serious breach of America's constitutional authority was labeled by the media as Iran-Contra. This documentary will rewrite this dark period in American history and leave you with a gnawing question. Who or what is running this country? Gun running. Mysterious CIA flights.

3:28:10 Contra military training. Guerrilla pilot training. Clandestine air drops. Tons of illegal drugs. Millions of dollars in dirty money. Covert activity in some third world banana Republic, right? Arkansas America's own banana Republic Sauce I'll bring this up again Cool breeze set it on a goodie mob song. He said dirty bill clinic front of me some weight. I

3:28:58 This is the early 90s. This is before the internet. This is not some conspiracy theory. This was wide known that the Clintons were running heavy drugs in the South and I have proof now of something I said a while back about one of the mechanisms or one of the methods they use to transport it and that was inside of Tyson chickens. Yes. This is why Tyson chickens, no excuse me, this is why kilos of cocaine I believe are referred to as chickens. The Clinton Chronicles 1. One of Hillary's investments under the direction of Tyson Foods counselor James Blair netted almost $100,000 on an initial $1,000 investment on nearly impossible feet using legal methods. I can't read their minds or speculate, but I had absolutely no reason to believe that I got any favorable treatment.

3:29:57 Coincidentally, Governor Clinton enacted a number of state regulations allowing Tyson Foods to grow into the largest industry in Arkansas. Don Tyson put in six, seven hundred thousand dollars all told in all of Bill Clinton's campaign. Guess what he got out of it? He got ten million dollars. Guess from where? the Arkansas Development Finance Authority and he never paid a dime for it. I had heard rumors of Don Tyson and his alleged cocaine use and distribution. I went through the intelligence files and come up with enough that I thought was sufficient amount of evidence to launch an investigation on Mr. Tyson simply out of the Arkansas State Police intelligence files has been accumulated for years.

3:30:52 Yeah, and there was also a nice nod to this in Breaking Bad if you remember. Mm-hmm. Where a pullout chicken was being used. And you know where the distribution centers are alleged to be? That the Tyson trucks were showing up at? Do tell. Walmarts. Of course, another fine Arkansas firm. Which is, which is, so as the story goes, and this is all alleged, this is all alleged, Load up the chickens full of cocaine, go all across the nation to Walmarts, empty the chickens out, put the chickens on the shelf, the cocaine goes out the back door. That's pretty well established, this. I think these are facts. Right, I'm just saying for people. So it's not just, we're not talking about Roosevelt and the, you know, and the opium trade. We're talking about people that are still in power today.

3:31:52 that made these, you know what I'm saying, made these decisions that impacted, you know what I'm saying, the community, the culture, they would say, and nobody's held to task. And then you turn around and you want to work with these people? And then you want to demonize others? I mean, I'm just like, let's just be fair. However we call it. If you want to call it loose, you want to call it tight. That's fine. But call it fair. It's amazing. It is amazing. This information is out there for the people's consumption, but nobody does anything with it. Well, I have some things to say.

3:32:29 But I want to get through the Clinton Chronicles clips first. I want to hear what else we've got. Go ahead, number two. A great deal of criminal investigation files were surfacing with Don Tyson's name mentioned in there as being involved with some drug and narcotics trafficking activities. So I interviewed some of the investigators who worked on the Tyson case. Most of them felt that Tyson should have been indicted, but the investigations were always sabotaged, oftentimes from within. One particular undercover NARC agent told me that

3:33:06 another criminal investigator in that department named Doug Fogley was furnishing Don Tyson with photographs of the undercover narcotics agents that were working on his case. Donald Smaltz was actually hired to look into the allegations that Tyson had given bribes to different people, specifically to the Secretary of Agriculture, Mike Espy. And what came out of that investigation was very remarkable. Drug abuse, drug distribution, money laundering, even murder for hire. Now Smalls collected all this stuff. He compiled it, he put it in proper order. And he approached Janet Reno and said, look, I need to broaden my investigation. I'm finding more here than just simple payoffs. What do you think happened?

3:34:09 But now most of you already know he was turned down Clinton has some goons Those goons, okay. All right. No, I'm holding I'm holding I'm holding mo I'm holding I'm holding back. I'm holding back. Yeah. All right So let's go and jump into three Don Tyson was in the middle of the cocaine just like Bill Clinton Just like Dan Lester just like Roger Clinton and all the others so you see All of this incest, and all of this drug running, all of the trafficking of drugs, sending them all over the nation, came out of little Meena, Arkansas. Right under the nose of little Governor Billy Clinton. I went to Bill, and I said, Bill, you've got two weeks to tell the truth, or I'm gonna tell it. You're breaking the law, and I can't be a part of it. You made a mistake. I'm not one of your buds, or at least I'm not that big a buddy. When Larry Nichols

3:35:12 made his disclosures, made them public. The Clinton spend doctors treated him unmercifully. It shocked those of us who had been kept in the dark through the years in Arkansas politics. The Arkansas news media had done little, if anything, to uncover anything derogatory about Bill Clinton. And for these disclosures to come out of the blue was so shocking that the spin doctors attacked the messenger rather than tried to answer the charges that Nichols had made. Well, I have some perspective on this.

3:36:08 Please, my uncle Donald Gregg, who was in the CIA when it before see it was CIA, he's now just in his 90s. It was still the OSS. He had to testify in front of Congress and was implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal as he at the time was Vice President Bush's National Security Advisor and he got off scot-free but within the family the discussion was kind of well he didn't cover his boss's ass which and if you look into him and by the way I think Uncle Don is a patriot and I think he was a useful idiot in this in this gambit

3:36:55 because it's always been played as this was drugs for guns and that the CIA was giving guns or selling guns to the Contras and doing that in the only payment they could accept was cocaine and they turned that into crack cocaine and then eventually spread that out on the on the streets of California, Los Angeles in particular. It is my belief that this was always a false

3:37:31 view of what was really going on because the Clintons, they're just pawns and Bill Clinton is a nice guy but he's dumb. And look at his brother Roger. And so they were working for the Bushes. The Bushes are truly the crime family. They may be no longer, I'm not quite sure what's left of it, but Daddy Bush, Papa Bush, Papi, he was the guy who started in the CIA at the very beginning. I believe President Eisenhower said it, President Kennedy felt it with some hot lead. The CIA is running all of this. The CIA has been running the drugs in the United States for a long, long time, possibly before you and I were even born. They are a complete criminal organization.

3:38:24 And with a little bit of luck, but a lot of skill, 45 Savage may be able to uncover this. It may be part of the big reveal, but the CIA is a toxic, horrible organization. It wasn't always that way. But it didn't take long before it got corrupted. They have unlimited power, they have unlimited money because they sell the drugs. I think we discussed the Bush family, actually they own property in Compton. No, that's where he was. Compton is where George H.W. or W.H., whatever it is, he lived in Compton.

3:39:12 And that's where the CIA agents supposedly showed street-level drug dealers how to cook up the crack. That's exactly true. It's the CIA. They're the criminals, Moe. is just, I mean, everyone look, please focus on the Clintons, whatever you do, focus on the Clintons. Don't focus on the Bushes and don't focus on the CIA. It's my opinion. I have a little more insight than most. I'm pretty sure the true criminals at the top is going to be your Central Intelligence Agency in its modern form, not what they started off being. And I always say this, the most powerful man in this country

3:39:58 Maybe in the second half of the 1900s was George Bush Senior. Yes, sir. Because if you look at how long that flag was half-mast when he passed, I've never seen it. I was like, because at work we know we have the flag half-masked on during national tragedies. Yeah. I was like, that thing still there? Who else died? And it was still for him. And that lets you know the power. I'm all on board with you. Reagan gets the blame for it. I don't think Reagan had the mental capacity at the time. I think he ran it the whole trip. I think it was eight years that he was vice president coming straight out of the CIA. Yep.

3:40:41 Then he ran it for another four years when he was president. And then he ran it for another eight years under his stooge, George, excuse me, Bill Clinton. So I'm in total agreement, as the spin doctors, we know who the spin doctors are, that's the media. And the media will never, it's amazing if George Bush wanted to defeat Bill Clinton, this would have been public knowledge. But it wasn't. One other data point that's kind of fun. If I say 9-11-2001, you know exactly where you were, right? Right. Okay, so do I. If you say to anyone, your parents, you say, do you remember where you were when Kennedy got shot? They'll know exactly where they were. The one man in America who on record has said, I can't remember where I was is George Herbert Walker Bush. He's on record. Don't forget Poppy.

3:41:41 Well, that is Poppy. I know, that's why I said don't forget the Poppy. Oh, please, exactly. Why do they call him Poppy? We know that. Please. But he does not know where he was on the day President Kennedy was assassinated. One day this will come out. I hope we're still around when it does. And do you know why I think Or a weird analogy, because it's just like with the chickens. Why was cocaine called chickens? I always wondered that. You know what I'm saying? The birds, the chickens. I like that a lot. I like that. Well, you know the guy with all the chickens? You know what they call him? Poppy. Get out of town. I'm going to see Poppy to get them birds, get them bricks. I didn't know that. That's cool. It's this crossover between elite level

3:42:35 criminality and elite level accepted criminality and I'm not gonna make a difference between the two but it's just look at it as an organization look at it as an army and look at all you know they've got the the marketing arm media they've got you know the the lawyers which is literal lawyers who also are all politicians or most politicians are lawyers They've got the whole thing all the way down the line and they've got all and you know who cares if a couple of black guys go to jail? Wait a minute. I do like what they're doing with this drug culture songs and we got to promote that a little bit it's It is so and this is what I in my heart of hearts believe is

3:43:20 that Trump is trying to show us this. I don't know how far he'll get. I really pray for him that he does it because that's the swamp, man. Now you're talking swamp. And he has made some moves that mimic what Kennedy did back in the late 50s, particular as it pertains to the CIA's power. And you may have seen this little switch over that they did with special operations, which is pretty much the CIA was running them for everything from Libya to Syria to you name it, to Benghazi, all CIA run operations.

3:43:58 And I believe that they were there, you know, that's why everyone was so crazy about Trump. It's like, oh my god, this guy just might expose us because it's so rampant, so widespread, and the world is so connected. This thing's getting a bit hot because people find stuff out and idiots on podcasts talk about it and people get wise to it. And we're still in Afghanistan. Don't let that escape you. Oh, and please, please do look at where our troops are stationed and you will see that they are exactly in the areas where the poppy fields are. It's called protection.

3:44:35 Right, which we saw the same thing with Vietnam War and the influx of heroin in the country. Yeah, and Ngozi, an American president. Wasn't that Denzel? American gangster. American gangster, sorry. Which that will be who they equate Freeway Ricky Ross to. He was running the whole thing. It's like, bro, come on. Come on. No way. No way. It don't work like that. No, it does not. I would not be allowed in the conspiracy theory community if I didn't let this last chunk of information get by me. Let's just jump right into it. Gucci Man and Charlemagne 2. Do you think the Gucci clone conspiracies were a reflection of how toxic the hood mentality is?

3:45:24 I kinda, it was entertaining to me. I kinda thought it was funny. I enjoyed the Gucci clone, I ain't gonna sit here in front. Do you feel like a clone sometimes? Nah, I don't feel like a clone, but I did kinda like the... Man, that shit was funny. It was funny, like damn, they think I'm not really the same person. I didn't look at it like, or they didn't offend me. I kinda wanted them to keep it going. That's a compliment. Yeah, like now all of a sudden, now they on my dick again. Now it's like, now I'm not a clone. Keep going with the clone shit. Don't stop that. I'm not familiar with the Gucci Mane clone. So he made such a transformation coming out of jail, people thought he was a clone in jail. Ha! Okay. Well, I don't subscribe to that because I think cloning is a very tedious process. I do think it exists. I do think that. But I think they're so unstable. This is just my personal opinion. I don't know any clones and I don't know, so I can't speak for... How about Rocco the dog, man? I think Rocco might be a clone.

3:46:22 Right, so I don't think uh, cloning Gucci man was the best option but can I get a little theorem in here? Cause uh... What I do hold on I got to tune it up there we go you got to plug that thing in here we go ladies and gentlemen we're going off the rails Moe calls for the therapist can't be good So if you want to subscribe to something happened to Gucci while he was in jail then helped him it with this Transformation I would go more with MK ultra rather than cloning Because if you change a person's mind on that level, I'm not saying he was but I'm just saying I think this if you want to go conspiracy theory with Gucci man

3:47:07 Him being in a federal prison in Atlanta would be a great opportunity to mind control him that way you can control all his supporters and Spawns when he's released back to the streets. I think that's a far more plausible conspiracy sure then the cloning and well While America's intellectual and artistic elite were experimenting with acid for self-exploration, the U.S. government was secretly giving this powerful new drug to prisoners, prostitutes, drug addicts, people who couldn't fight back, as one CIA officer put it. Maybe the Unabomber was given LSD as well.

3:47:54 Though we'll never know for sure, thanks to CIA Director Richard Helms's having most of the program's records destroyed. This is Boston mobster Whitey Bulger, who was another illustrious graduate of MKUltra, and he was definitely given LSD while in Atlanta Federal Prison as a volunteer. Alleged mobster James Whitey Bulger fled Boston in late 1994 as federal agents were about to arrest him in connection with 19 killings, racketeering and other crimes that spanned the early 1970s to mid-1980s. Bulger went into prison as a small-time thug, but when he got out, he took over the Boston underworld by corrupting nearly the entire Boston FBI office.

3:48:41 James Whitey Bulger went on to become Boston's most powerful criminal and spent 16 years on the FBI's most wanted list. Whitey Bulger's henchmen later testified during his various trials that the gangster often talked about his experience with LSD and that it quote took him to the depths of insanity Did LSD help transform a simple South Boston truck hijacker into a brilliant criminal an unanswerable question to be sure but an interesting one nonetheless I love whitey bulger coming back man because whitey bulger fingerprints are over a lot of stuff these days Do you know who he was that Lana? Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No He was an Atlanta federal prison when he was allegedly put under the MK ultra program yeah, and who was involved in

3:49:41 Whitey Bulger's downfall and who has visited him in prison in the last five years Who was that? I don't know. You got me special prosecutor Robert Mueller. Oh Yeah, bar Mueller all connected to whitey bulger whitey bulger who died in prison Was a very big 45 savage fan. Oh Hmm, so you take those those four names and and look who wound up dead Although I don't know if he died of any well, we don't know cuz what do we know? We're just reading something right? So yes to MK ultra possibly Also possibly that someone got some real truth on the inside. It's like oh, wait a minute So like I said, I'm not saying I'm not saying that he went under MK ultra. I'm just saying that's a far more plausible

3:50:39 If you want to say that he didn't do it on his own, that's a far more plausible conspiracy. It is. But I think the MKUltra is actually a cover for the Whitey Bulger connections. Oh, okay. Okay. You know what I'm saying? That makes sense. So this is why when I look at, well, Mueller, everybody, gosh, man, you know, these people are so corrupt. Look at 9-11. You know, just since we played the theremin, who became FBI director two weeks before 9-11? Who, that Mueller? Robert Mueller. Now, ever since J. Edgar Hoover, you know, the black man,

3:51:26 Passable. Very passable black man. Ever since J Edgar Hoover started the FBI really as a black male operation and of course that all came out, a law was put on the books, one you couldn't just change easily, and the law was the FBI director by statute cannot be in office more than 10 years. So when so we had 9-11 and we had all the crap going on in the Middle East and You know for those of you who were alive 20 years ago this 9-11 thing that was crazy crazy times You know everyone was confused everyone was and the Internet had just just kind of really started going wide so people could look stuff up and so when Obama came in

3:52:20 They did something very remarkable. They threw a number of tricks, and I don't even know if it was legal. They somehow finagled this statute of 10 years and gave Robert Mueller an extra two years in the Obama administration. I'm telling you, this is rotten to the core. And it's, it's, it's... Hey, they don't call it the White House for nothing. This... It's been very, very bad. And It would be beautiful for it all to come out and everyone to be able to see how the upper echelons of our world, but certainly of our country, have really

3:53:01 propagated a war for profit and for lots of power on the American people in different forms. You know, we got different drugs for different classes of people. We've been through that. We've seen it all happen. And so what if those people down at the bottom get killed? That's who these people are. That's who's really running the country or was running the country or maybe still is. We don't know. But that's how bad it is, Mo. And we've kind of approached it from the bottom up, which is the way to go. It's the way to look at it. Is just go all the way up through the chickens, through the Clinton, through the Bushes, to the CIA. God knows who else is up above this. You see all the fingerprints. All you have to do is actually follow the paper trail.

3:53:50 from the bottom. You have to start at one end and the other, and we don't know what's at the top end, so at least we can start at the bottom end, and then we keep following the string. And here's a thought. Stop voting for these assholes. We gave you a warning at the beginning. Stop voting for them. You're killing yourself. Yeesh. Well, Adam, that's my rap on the verses. Well, we... And it's just another part of that system, man. Everything's been co-opted, which is why we have to keep podcasting alive. It's the truly the last independent, decentralized content distribution system we have.

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3:56:32 Again and again, for I'll never forget Your bright eyes as we sat there Man on man, middle of France Though odds were against us, I still took a chance A chance in a life that was with us that night I found you at last with love at first sight And I'll never forget your bright eyes as we sat there Man on man

3:57:39 Though odds were against us, our spirit took a chance. A chance in our life was with us that night. Found you at last with love at first sight. To the sweetness of pain, I ran away. And this was my game in a game.