71: Seven Shots

00:01 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for November 23rd, 2021. This is episode number 71! We are back one week after the lost tapes time for another full-on Mo Facts with Adam Curry I am Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country and we will be spinning that wheel of topics once again with a man who knows how it goes from Northern Virginia please say hello to my friend on the other end Mr. Mo Facts How you doing, Adam? I am... well now that i'm talking to you Moe. I'm doing great! Yes To be honest, I've had too many white opinions the past week

00:41 I was telling Tina, well i'm pretty sure I know where we're at. I'm not 100% because you know we don't really discuss much before the show. I said that I am pretty sure what will be included somehow in today into this week's program and like I cannot wait to talk to Moe. It was the unavoidable I intentionally kind of stayed away from this until i knew we were gonna have to do a show on it and say, I guess we can go ahead and spin the wheel. Round around goes the wheel of top square stops nobody knows but of course Mo Fax knows because he's put it all together for us so what is the topic for episode number 71 of mo facts with Adam Curry? We're under real threat

01:32 Under real threat? Under a real threat. Under a real threat, okay. That's Reverend Al Sharpton. Don't give him more credit now with his doctorate. Eventually it is coming! That's the new business model but we got to talk about Kyle Yes. Rent House aka Killer Cal, aka Cal the Kid depending on what side you're on and as you said the opinions are abundant on this topic so I guess we have to weigh in on it yes I will say that i watched most of the trial and that's great because I watched very little of the trial other than clips because when I went back and looked at

02:24 to go down that rabbit hole. I wanted it to be as un-nudged as possible, right? To use a word. Yes exactly no this is good because i feel at least prepared for what i saw in the trial and yeah and we'll just take it from there but yeah opinions are you're right lot of opinions about this one! I'm very excited And just to go off the top, I don't want to blow by blow. Because you've seen all the people do their law degrees and of course they didn't get there a lot of degree from SVU

03:01 like I have. Yes, ladies and gentlemen! And that really is a fine piece of paper...I'm all in on it. Many many hours spent doing coursework but um so yeah so we're gonna have our unique take as usual and to start off i guess we need to do a little timeline uh and we're going to use this ABC report On August 23, 2020 Jacob Blake was shot multiple times in the back by a police officer in Kenosha Wisconsin after officers responded to a call about a domestic dispute according to the Wisconsin Department of Justice.

03:47 Within hours, protests began in the city. On the night of August 25th 2020 protesters and groups of armed men who said they were there to protect businesses gathered in Kenosha Among the armed man was then 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse using multiple videos obtained and verified by ABC News as well as the criminal complaint against Rittenhouse filed on August 27 We put together a detailed timeline of the shootings that happened in downtown Kenosha on August 25th, 2020. Two days after Jacob Blake was shot by the police.

04:32 that I watched most of the trial, I think most of the pertinent parts. I am also right off-the-bat...I'll just tell you my bias.. I'm of the opinion that this was a media psyop regardless of what happened This was a media psychological operation on the American public and it was evident to me when the prosecution at bat you know, it was CNN MSNBC wall-to-wall and Fox was breaking in. And when the defense was up at bat it was the exact reverse and I thought okay

05:13 I gotcha message received so that's just my starting off take as you know, i'm completely open to anything and to be honest with everybody that is listening. I haven't heard your take. I did not listen to the latest episode of no agenda for this exact point. I don't know where you're coming from on this case and I'll say this This is probably the hardest trial we're gonna cover uh on a audio only podcast because everything is so dependent upon video yeah exactly shameless plug for the lost tapes coming out next Wednesday that's what you're supposed to do that's how it works Mo we just like ABC we we plug up we'd do stories about our own entertainment products but yeah

06:07 It's gonna be very hard to translate what was seen, so that's why I didn't really go with a lot of oh what happened in this event. No no I agree! I think it's almost unimportant for the way we look at stuff But I totally agree this was a psychological operation only to incite, only to strike fear. And what it was really was a huge upskirt to Lady Justice. I think everybody is coming out of his pants... Damn! I just got a visual on that and i didn't like it. No because- but if you upskirt Lady Justice and she doesn't see it did it happen?

06:47 She's always blindfolded. Exactly, exactly! No I think because everybody is going away from this now seeing if the court wants you or the prosecution wants you they will do anything to get you. And the weird part of this is, the so-called quote unquote black community has been saying this for decades and centuries but now everybody's starting to catch on let's just say we saw what this prosecution did, the tactics

07:25 Just all the I mean, I didn't really cover this but like to actually just speak on the video quality how they play games with the video quality of videos they use the suppression evidence so the bright side of this for me is everybody is going to be critical of The justice system moving forward because it's not so justice after all. In the end, it was but we see the tactics that are used to get somebody they want to target. So I actually have not discussed the psychological operation on Noah Jendi yet? Mm-hmm. I was planning maybe on doing that third day... Actually my opinion may be adjusted after today show. So what's interesting why you say look at the prosecution will do anything to get you what

08:16 actually happened after the verdict is that, that exact thing was used in reverse. Because all I heard MSNBC and CNN saying it was very clear division between them and Fox was if this was a black man he would have been in jail for 25 years And so what's weird is yeah they're not wrong If it would have been a black man without $2 million for his defense, he would have been in jail. The only reason why Kyle got off was the amount of support that came out for him and you know in legal fund

09:03 To do all the groundwork and everything that needed to be done to present his case because it's clear that The prosecution wanted him but let's not get too far ahead Because what I want to do is we got to go back to the Jacob Blake case, which was the whole yes the Genesis of it. All yeah Yeah, and we're gonna see how hard they pushed This to even be an issue, the Kyle Rittenhouse case I'm speaking of because the Jacob Blake situation was a non-starter. So what now we have to do is go back in time and look at the law, the facts, the truth of Jacob Blake

09:43 Now my handle is NateTheLawyer and welcome to my YouTube spot. I am a former law enforcement officer, former prosecutor and i taught at a law school for the past two years currently i'm a private attorney that do private practice as a black law enforcement officers or former black prosecutor and and there's a black attorney I think it's important to look at both the law and the facts of any incident before you pass judgment. The most important thing about my videos is that YOU are the judge, you get to decide whether things are justified or unjustified and we do that by looking at the FACTS and the law dispassionately. Now, we do have to understand the cultural context of the times were living in. Racism plays a factor in some of these things but not always and we have to understand when race does play a factor and when it does not because those are two important questions that we have to answer so we're going try see if we can answer those questions today with the case of Robert Blake but to do that I'm going need more your attention than I usually do

09:03 To do all the groundwork and everything that needed to be done to present his case because it's clear that The prosecution wanted him but let's not get too far ahead Because what I want to do is we got to go back to the Jacob Blake case, which was the whole yes the Genesis of it. All yeah Yeah, and we're gonna see how hard they pushed This to even be an issue, the Kyle Rittenhouse case I'm speaking of because the Jacob Blake situation was a non-starter. So what now we have to do is go back in time and look at the law, the facts, the truth of Jacob Blake

09:43 Now my handle is NateTheLawyer and welcome to my YouTube spot. I am a former law enforcement officer, former prosecutor and i taught at a law school for the past two years currently i'm a private attorney that do private practice as a black law enforcement officers or former black prosecutor and and there's a black attorney I think it's important to look at both the law and the facts of any incident before you pass judgment. The most important thing about my videos is that YOU are the judge, you get to decide whether things are justified or unjustified and we do that by looking at the FACTS and the law dispassionately. Now, we do have to understand the cultural context of the times were living in. Racism plays a factor in some of these things but not always and we have to understand when race does play a factor and when it does not because those are two important questions that we have to answer so we're going try see if we can answer those questions today with the case of Robert Blake but to do that I'm going need more your attention than I usually do

10:47 I'm going to need to both teach you law, show you examples and then apply the law to Mr. Blake's situation That is the only way we are going to get a clear understanding of what happened Now this is a well-known YouTube attorney? Yes, this is Nate Delaware and I think he does the best work. He's on hot streak right now as far as the number of cases that he has called correctly and we're going to be using him throughout the show. Can I...I'm sorry to do this but just want to throw back too just before we got into this. I think it's important at least for the producers

11:29 I'm in agreement with you that the $2 million defense fund was incredibly important in this outcome. There were some other attorneys involved before, including Lynn Wood – I don't know if you're going to touch on that but there's a lot of shy-stery going on there – but do you agree If it was a black man who had two million dollars, he also would have gotten the same verdict? Because that's kind of what the differentiator here is. It's like would he still have gone to jail because he was black or even if he had the same amount of resources? If he'd had the same amount of resources you would've had the same outcome because we saw this with OJ and that's the thing about America

12:15 You see businessmen followed by file after file after file of lawyers. This is how America works, it's like you have lawyers to watch your lawyers kind of thing and they leave no stone unturned if you're talking about going into this case with a public defendant against this prosecution? No! This is a great take on this trial. I'm so glad you're doing it this way, okay? We can go back to the what's his name the YouTube lawyer. This is Nate the lawyer made the law and made the lawyer Yes, so he like him already by the way. I'd like how we was talking so I liked him yeah

12:56 And I played that opening because it's kind of a great opening to the show as well, that we're going to have to take things that are law and then we can also separate it and say okay what's the emotional impact or what do you think? What they don't call is... They call it justice now but that's not real justice. Justice is by the letter of the law Now it's about what feels right. What we think should happen so now Nate the lawyer is going to get into what he thought the outcome of the Jacob Blake situation should have been in clip number four. Now I know you're gonna have people out there saying that there is no evidence of institutional racism today those people are either lying to you or being dishonest, now I've said that to say this

13:51 This situation Mr. Blank, I don't believe is one of them now if you want to argue about whether the police Should have responded the way they did whether he was an actual threat those I think are legitimate questions or the question of well how come this happens to African Americans at a disproportionate rate and That's a conversation I think you should be willing to have. But for this particular incident, just to say that race had this overarching part in this incident is just hard for me to swallow and I understand the need to boycott, I understand the need to social justice and social change but i don't think this is the case to make that argument for. I just don't. Trayvon Martin? Yes. Walter Scott? Yes George Floyd

14:37 Obviously. Ahmaud Arbery, yes! This case... I'm just not there. Oh, oh no thank you that yes that was my when when I saw how that was running concurrently and the timing of the verdict's coming out. I immediately said this just confirms my whole psychological operation thinking And it could have been some esoteric kind of things going on too because it was some kinda funny blood moon

15:14 Yeah, yeah you're right the whole which is known. It's also known as a sacrificial moon. I thought it was looking bad for Kyle So yes, so that's Nate Deloria he says that Jacob Blake and just let people know Jacob Blake was the man that we shot seven times in that was the genesis of this whole situation. So now we have to go a timeline within a timeline... Let me just say one thing about Jacob Blake, because there was a knife uh... in close proximity which he admitted to, I mean i've seen him admitting to it on TV so the only thing that i just want add to that knowing a lot of law enforcement if there's a person who is intent on stabbing you blading you and i learned the lingo within twenty one feet they absolutely have a chance of killing you even if you have a gun

16:18 Okay, and that's we saw this similar case with the young lady. That was shot in Ohio Well she wasn't a threat to the cop But she was a threat to another person and they decided to use lethal force though but we have to go back because The Jacob Blake situation was very clear-cut. We had a video that saw the whole situation Yeah, but they had to drag it out to make it seem like it's something and wasn't so now we're gonna go and listen To what actually took place in that situation before we get into the Rittenhouse? Situation number five Because I felt like I was dying. I was counting down breaths

17:00 Was a woke the whole time it was a moment Jacob Blake thought he was about to die I Was counting down my breaths and my blinks cuz I was just standing right at the sky Watching the clouds. I'm just like god, I'm coming. I guess this is for me but it wasn't The 29 year old speaking out for the first time almost five months after being shot seven times by police He didn't resist I resisted to getting beat on what? I mean by that is not falling Not letting them put their head on my neck. That's all I was thinking honestly Blake is now partially paralyzed from the waist down a Moment captured by bystanders eventually going viral

17:55 Yeah, so that's that's how they played it up and I don't know how straight hair said that he said like you didn't resist was at a command or without a Question cuz it was unclear. It was unclear. Yeah, it kind of is like they edited in afterwards it was very very unnatural yeah Or did some kind of editing there because it's like he made a statement. But in these following clips you're gonna see, he understands what really went on and to be honest with you when everybody saw the tape let me say it like this nobody deserves to be shot seven times lemme just say that if your moving away from this suspect I believe but as a cop justified to do it yes is that the law? Yes

18:43 And I'll say this, in a situation if we're talking about the number of shots that's totally different from whether a shot should have been fired. If you're moving away from anybody let's just like if I'm gonna tussle with somebody and they're going into their car Best believe. Yeah, I'm gonna assume the worst. I'm not gonna sit here and wait for you to pull out whatever You had to pull out whatever and then you know lose my upper hand so in that case I completely understand I think the frustration is the number of shots And that number of shots, the reason why I'm bringing this up is... That was the real headline. Man shot seven times and nothing after that even mattered why he was shot or anything else it would have been a shot one two three times and it would be like okay. Well and I think thats because its a great headline and it becomes a story because everybody can agree on that now

19:38 That's not fair because neither you or I were a cop in that position. You have no idea, we really don't know but everybody can agree damn that seems like a lot! This is the number and what we're talking about is for headline value because like we both agree a lot of people only read headlines And I'm just going to go to the YouTube video title here. Jacob Blake tells his story after being shot seven times by police. The encounter, marking the climax of a summer rocked by reckoning. Say her name! Breonna Taylor! Protesters adding the name Jacob Blake to their rallying cry joining those of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor

20:27 Oh man, okay so... I love that we're not doing video because i haven't seen any of this and i'm just listening to it. It's masterful! We as black people are afraid, I mean this is some good mind control And that frustrated me every time I hear LeBron James say that because to be a 600 excuse me 6'7", 6'9"...

21:07 black man, almost 300 pound 250 260 with almost a billion dollars bro. You shouldn't be scared because what that was just doing is playing into this fearful black man role like oh we're just walking around the street streets care every day know what we are aware and that's why I was so frustrated with Jacob Blake is the fact that you're aware of what's going to happen If you don't listen to commands, wrestle with cops and then move into your car. Everybody knows that's a... That idea! Prescription for hot dose of lead I mean it just is baked into our understanding that's that talk we used to talk about a lot but now we haven't talked about so much That kind of thing like if they if you get you just saying just comply get your one phone call call bailout and you go home You know

22:01 to wrestle with somebody you know what the outcome can be it's not always that case but it can be and you could take it there so that's why they didn't get very much traction with this story when it first was rolled out right um but the seven shots helped. The seven shots still, Just to say it seven shots and just rolls off your tongue and that thing got us came his own life And a lot of people were do I like the powerful number seven, you know? Yeah. That's the other thing Yes, that's the other things like the very powerful number because it is rounds up to ten

22:38 When you process numbers like that, that's why they use certain numbers in certain ways. People think gun, some may think revolver six shots, six shooter five seven are you gonna get lucky today punk? I mean there is something about it so that means that's all I'm saying That's that all plays into it. So now we got Jacob Blake he's talking about he's being shot Now, we're gonna have a straight hand push back a little bit and likes kind of reiterate to what I was saying About it's kind of understood when you behave in that manner what could happen?

23:19 Records show that Officer Shetsky recalls telling Blake, quote, let's talk about this. As Blake places one of the kids in the car he then tells Blake he has a warrant and tries to arrest him they didn't say why they were there Mm-hmm. They didn't say anything to me did they tell you that they had a warrant for your arrest? No, I thought that it had been over with police deploy stun gun multiple times Blake pulled the prongs out of his skin Officer Sheskin Blake end up in a physical altercation on the ground We see you when you walk away from the officers after they try to grab you at that point

22:38 When you process numbers like that, that's why they use certain numbers in certain ways. People think gun, some may think revolver six shots, six shooter five seven are you gonna get lucky today punk? I mean there is something about it so that means that's all I'm saying That's that all plays into it. So now we got Jacob Blake he's talking about he's being shot Now, we're gonna have a straight hand push back a little bit and likes kind of reiterate to what I was saying About it's kind of understood when you behave in that manner what could happen?

23:19 Records show that Officer Shetsky recalls telling Blake, quote, let's talk about this. As Blake places one of the kids in the car he then tells Blake he has a warrant and tries to arrest him they didn't say why they were there Mm-hmm. They didn't say anything to me did they tell you that they had a warrant for your arrest? No, I thought that it had been over with police deploy stun gun multiple times Blake pulled the prongs out of his skin Officer Sheskin Blake end up in a physical altercation on the ground We see you when you walk away from the officers after they try to grab you at that point

23:56 I'm rattled. You know, I realized that I had dropped my knife, a little pocketknife so i picked it up after I got off of him because they tased me and I fell on top of him his is in there probably face on the window I'm about to get an air check on my kids In the video you hear them saying Drop the knife I think a couple people were saying that but I didn't hear none of that Blake turns away from the officers and walks around the front of the vehicle towards the driver's side door What are you thinking at that point? I have picked my knife up. I'm like, I'm not really worried I'm walking away from them so it was not like they're gonna shoot me. I shouldn't have picked it up At that time. I wasn't thinking clearly wait This is the interviewers Michael Strayham Yes

24:49 Wow, they give him the weirdest gigs. But he had to find a black man! Well yeah but that's what I'm saying it's like usually they put him in a dress they make them do the uncomfortable bullcrap segment on The Morning Show but then this is a big one and they give it to him it's like... jeez Be more blatant about it, please ABC. That's why I said that they had to find a black man We see every time that when somebody is interviewed in these kind of situations They're like who we got black or you seen it with the MSNBC panels because it's Michael Strahan Because it's Michael Strahan and that's why you actually think wow they really did just go who we got this black although correct Although I kind of dig it. I think it's interesting to hear him do this

25:37 Yes, and the other thing like I said on the MSNBC panels you see this as well people take a day off So they can have a black anchor on their shoulders usually hosted by white person. Yeah It's very obvious and I love that Amber what's her name with it with the big afro? I mean it's pouring it on man We got Cleopatra Jones on MSNBC yeah, I think she does the msnbc the one online as well. It's great I love watching her, I can't get enough of her but holy crap! Yes so um yeah you could hear Michael Strahan is kind of like hey Will

26:17 You did kind of get tased, pick up a knife and wrestle with cops. This is what made it so hard for them and the point I'm making is the fact that this was so hard for them as non-starter Kyle Rittenhouse was a godsend for them. Right all the elements were there yeah. Because you had it they tried to wrestle with you They shot you with a few tasers. You still got up, you dropped the weapon, picked up your knife, right? And then you continue to go... What people gotta understand is it's just so and it's gonna be brought up again in the clips Is his kids was in the car and he's the mother of his children had called The cops that say hey, he's trying to steal the car

27:06 So, they don't know if it's a kidnap situation. They don't know what and I'm not saying...I'm not taking up for the police any kind of way but is the context you always have to say because the reason why I don't take up for police is their professionals The same way I look at them like doctors with the coup situation It's like If you're professional You're expected to have a higher standard than an average citizen Like I said, the same way. I look at doctors with the coup like y'all are supposed to have a higher standard than even newscasters or anybody else so yeah So they're processing all this in a matter of seconds and for the... Imma say this

27:49 People, everybody needs to stop calling the police for everything. These kind of things used to be solved within the community and what I mean by only in the black community? I'm just saying if it was a domestic dispute The men would come in and say hey man go walk it off or you know that kinda thing. I totally agree with you Moe It is and it's a male problem we have become a nation Pussies who want to call someone about something else and what bugged me the most is exactly that. You know, now in Austin where of course we left What they're doing is, instead of going the direction I think you and i would like to say hey let's just do this in the community we got men around here who should just settle things. We all have to live together No! Instead now they're taking that policing role because people always call 911 and now they are giving it to social workers which probably the worst thing you can do They are gonna get their asses beat

28:49 It's so stupid and we have to, it always I'm gonna sue you. We don't discuss things we don't work things out amongst each other anymore regardless of race Well people think the police are like there to play games with them When you call the police they're there to take somebody to jail That's their job You don't call em out there to break up domestic disputes and what I mean by that like oh you and your brother-in-law had a few too many drinks in your chest bumping right but it's abuse, the citizens need to know it. It is the same with EMT. I have many EMT friends and they get caught and they have to respond they can't say no we're not going to the call They'll get there and its morbidly obese person who saying I can't get my cigarettes Can you get them off of the table?

29:37 Wow. Yes, yes this kind of shit it's unbelievable so yeah that's one thing that we can do to resolve a lot of these incidences don't know I'll say it like this, if he was a real threat then call the police. And obviously she thought he was a real threat but if you just think that he's gonna go right around the block and come back once he blows some steam off don't call the police! Um...and for him to say he forgot- He thought the warrant situation was over? No Everybody knows from a speeding ticket To parking tickets or whatever else You know when you got something lingering over your head dealing with the court

30:16 I find that hard to believe, just from my viewpoint. So with that said we can go and get into part four of this clip You said that we can just look at the video and the video tells everything There's gonna be a lot of people who look at the video and say in the video you're walking away from The police so why didn't he just stop and do what the police are asking him to do? I couldn't hear that All I heard was screaming, screaming. My ears were ringing so it was all muffled If the police were fighting me if they were tasing me I would stop walking away from them and they would have my attention And when he'd tase me I had my hands up So

31:00 Officer Shetsky's attorney insists quote, the officers were compelled to use force once Blake began actively resisting their verbal commands. Adding that the claim the officer didn't say anything during the altercation is quote preposterous. As Blake opens the door of his car, Officer Shetsky claims Blake drove the knife toward his body. Blake denies this. Officer Shetsky then grabs Blake by the back of his shirt and shoots him seven times. Yeah, I gotta say. I think Strahan has a career doing crime. Am I wrong?

32:04 Right, but straight hands Ray has said that stray hands like You know get my attention. I mean I can hear you say that moe I think it's a very funny way of saying it like you dumbass. I think Strahan saying that don't you? Yeah, I agree. I totally agree with him But he couldn't just come out and say he says a lot of people would not you know ABC We can't do that again talk like that on ABC of course not But why not? And that's, that had let you know. This situation is bigger than they had to keep the ball rolling and this was months later. Now he got out of the hospital everything else they still were giving it a little fuel and fuel to the flame. When did the protest start? Oh this, the protest for his after his shooting it started immediately. Immediately okay yeah cuz yes all right but the problem was

32:58 When people actually saw the video, it was hard to get a real... It wasn't usable. All they had was seven shots everything else was no good Right But that's what I think they had to engage the third wave that we talked about and bring in the criminals Yep From across state lines probably Yeah, so they couldn't get like legit protesters out there. Like with George Floyd and other cases that we've seen so I think that's why you saw the the assembly of characters that was involved in Rittenhouse case. Yeah, these were higher hands they drummed up a bunch of criminals you're right man absolutely and yes go ahead no I'm on board yeah that's the point i'm trying to make of it was just a bad situation that they couldn't spin anyway so now all their energy went into the Rittenhouse case

33:58 the political energy. I'll say the political energy yeah so now this is Kamala Harris oh yeah and this is her unbelievable, unbelievable this it's unbelievable and her speaking on the meeting with Jacob Blake family. I sat down with Democratic vice presidential nominee Senator Kamala Harris Thursday afternoon for a wide-ranging conversation on the issues facing Americans in unique presidential election year and we started with the Jacob Blake case. The man shot seven times by police in Wisconsin. As I understand you've talked to Jacob Blake's family? Yes, yeah What was that conversation like? First of all his family they're really wonderful and extraordinary people They have suffered so much You know he has six children

34:53 Three, his sons who the eldest was it was his eighth birthday that day. Right? And so it was a family conversation and it was his sister, his father, his mother and they're just full of grace and pain right that's coexisting for them. I talked again with his mother but Joe was so good with them you know Joe Biden, he has had conversations with Jacob's family and Mr. Blake's family. He has had conversations with Mr Floyd's family and Ahmaud Arbery's family And he sees them! They need to be seen they need to be heard I think that is the important thing about these conversations

35:44 He sees them. Yes, well you have to we got a bring Joe back from the if you aim If you don't vote for me you ain't black You know I gotta sauce him a little bit But you know how condescending is it for somebody say? Oh, yeah That's actually kind of like a cringy white woman thing to say oh That's that whole, we see you. We acknowledge you. whole thing and then, oh Joe he's so wonderful. And then the family all they're extraordinary and graceful like who wants to be graceful? I'm gonna say this if my son had been shot seven times wrongly as something that he didn't know have any part in to bring it upon itself that last thing I would be is damn graceful right what is that heat there graceful she had to walk this line of don't be too

36:46 aggressive but we can't seem too weak either. Here's the real question for me and Tina and I were talking about this maybe for the past two days, do we think that The reason that Kamala Harris actually believes these men were wronged, all of them. But let's just say to keep it with Blake to keep it easy because she only reads a briefing sees a headline and just has a bias and is just rolling with it or Is she really that calculated? And if she...is this all premeditated She's acting here regardless because that's her job

37:29 But do you think that she really knows what's going on? I just question if these, I think these people are like most of America. They just look at a headline and know how they feel about the world and it just fits in this narrative and that's what everyone is saying anyway so let's go Brandon! For her to be a potential Supreme Court justice nominee I want better. Like, I was saying about the cops... Your whole career is in law you had no problem with locking up women who had children with truancy problems we covered the case of the man that she tried to lock up wrongfully so... Dope smokers locked up dope smokers

38:20 Right dope smokers. I don't think this is all now she's found Jesus, you know No, no, I think it's that hey, I gotta make sure Joe looks as good as possible So I can take the spot from him when it's time I Can never make it to the White House if Joe doesn't make it to the White House and I think that's her whole thing You can't sit here and see what I saw with straight hands all and say there's a Any gray area there, right? You just can't know especially if you're your uh Your career is in law. That's what frustrates me about her This is not some this is not Sarah Palin and it's no not to Sarah Payton What I'm just saying this is not some random woman that was selected to be VP She's supposed to have a long history and law enforcement

39:08 And to sit here and say, well the things that she's going to say in this video is just amazes me. So I guess we can go ahead and get into part two of this clip as a former prosecutor and someone who worked closely with police for years based on what you've seen what about the case? Is there a scenario where yeah, I want you to notice something, you can start this clip over. When she's annoyed and I've listened enough Kamala, I got her tail now. Oh okay! When she is annoyed with a question... Yeah! She hits you with this flat d-doll yeah That's her tell okay As a former prosecutor and someone who worked closely with police for years You know about the case is there a scenario in which that officer? Would have been justified was just fighting firing his weapon Craig. I don't see it, but I don't have all the evidence From what I saw

40:14 Just remind people what the question was, because she does this well. I got to give it to her. She'll have you forget what the question was by time she gets done talking. But the question was is there any scenario? Any from what we saw where the cop will be justified just remind people of the question before she answers it would have been justified was justified in firing his weapon Craig I don't see it but I don't have all the evidence You know from what I saw which is what the public has seen so you know, I'm not the prosecutor in the case. Um...I don't have all of the evidence but..you know The man was going to his car he didn't appear to be armed and if he was not armed? If he was NOT armed? The use of force that was seven bullets coming out a gun at close range in the back of the man

41:10 I don't see how anybody could reason that was justifiable. Do you think the officer should be charged? I think there should be a thorough investigation and based on what i've seen it seems like the officer should be charged Okay, Madam Vice President here's your talking point. We really want to hit the seven shots that's really what we want which is kind of focus on the seven seven shots would really be in the back seven shots I would really be helpful madam president vice-president and anytime these questions are asked like straight hands asking like I forget this gentleman name over MSNBC

41:49 That means you really don't have a leg to stand on and it's like the public is saying this. So they have, in good faith I mean put that in the world sentence same sense with the media but they know they have...I can't go out here and not ask this question or it would just be blatant that I'm on the tape so you saw Strahan had to ask a tough question You saw he had to ask a tough question In any scenario He gave her out To say in any scenario She could have easily said, well you know but you can see- You could hear the calculations going in her head to say well I don't have all the evidence and saw what people saw. Yeah but she's not sharp because your right she didn't pick up on that out Right he gave her an out and made it clear in any scenario so

42:40 Kamala, we know her past. We know what she's known for locking people up so if this was in her district and she was doing handcuffs on Willie Brown I don't think that was a punitive. No, they were pink handcuffs yes So um yeah so i don't buy it at all but she had to go out and do what she had to do and this is just remind people this is during the election cycle Yeah! So they were saying anything Anything to make sure they got elected And the media was even worse than it is now as far as suppression of information

43:20 For the heard to have be brought and ask these questions, you know that it was public in the public. These questions were swirling so Let's go ahead get into the third and final piece of this clip To those who are saying right now across this country there are a lot of folks who are saying here's a man who? wouldn't follow police commands law enforcement tried to use a taser and then he apparently is reaching into a car where a knife was later found. And because of those reasons, we should reserve judgment and the officer should be afforded due process." What would you say to those people who are saying that?

43:57 Everyone should be afforded due process. I agree with that completely, that is absolutely one of the important tenets of our system and justice but here's the thing in America we know these cases keep happening and we have had too many black men in America who have been subject to this kind and many of whom have lost their lives, and we speak their names all the time. Again George Floyd just as the most recent you know most public example of this And it's got to stop A few hours ago I heard the Vice President say that

44:41 The president was rooting for more violence. He thought President Trump was rooting for more violence How does more violence help the president politically? I mean, you're gonna have to ask Kellyanne Conway or somebody! That's not my deal So, once he doubled down it was like yo this looks kind of bad. The people are not really with it and they were nobody was really crying over Jacob Blake let me just be honest a lot of people like you put that on yourself in the words of Martin Lawrence yeah you brought that situation on yourself and if you want to take one step further his baby mama really brought it all here on him uh

45:29 I find it amazing that you have this phenomenon where these people are called the police on other people and then when something happens they'll be like, oh why'd you do that to him? What did you call me for? If it's not that serious, you know... So is there no realization in these communities that this is a dumb idea? What's going on with that maybe that's something- No the police I'm like you want me to be I mean I could be completely candid and I'm gonna piss probably put a lot of people off by the end of show I'm probably gonna piss a lot of people off so I might as well start now. A lot of people are okay with the police as long as they're doing their bidding. And see, this is where the family courts and if you want to talk about structural or institutional racism or white supremacy all these things This is where it starts This is how you get the man out of the house? This is no man in the house manifested Ah yes okay Of course To say I'm fed up with you I'm tired of your crap

46:34 911 come get him I'm tired of him for whatever reason it doesn't matter what the reason he could have you know where does this in this empowerment entitlement comes from the influences of the women running BLM or is this how it's the family courts. The family courts have weaponized themselves well weaponize Women, women and children. Not all women but it has given them the ability to say if you want the power of the state to step in and this goes back to I think last show or before that when we were talking about kids who owns your kids really states own your kid when you sign that birth certificate the states own your kids

47:17 And it's like, okay now state I need help with the co-parent between us me you and him. being the three parties, being the two parents in the state. I need him out of here." And that's basically what she did was engage white supremacy on him and not saying the cops are white supremacist. What I'm saying is this system... The family court system is set up to say if you're unhappy with this man we'll get them out of there it doesn't matter It doesn't matter what reason, the case, the cause whatever he got to go and me and you fall under that as well No, I know. I saw what happened in my first divorce. Uh-huh? I saw how or what kind of lawyers came to my ex wife's immediate aid and I saw what they were trying to do now luckily our daughter was almost 19 at the time so you know it wasn't but oh man

48:16 I mean it was and also my ex-wife was making way more money than me so you know. You were really bad off! Well no, in that case i said uh you really don't want ME claiming money do ya? Because I was making less... You're talking about in the divorce sense, I meant it in the monetary sense. I'm talking about in the actual physical removal sense of... Right now what I am saying is that I saw how the justice system is completely geared towards screwing the dad, screwing the husband, screwing the male partner That's what I mean Which we also got to highlight the fact that there are bad actors out there that do you know what I'm saying? Hell! There was several of them in Kenosha that night that actually did beat

48:59 See, deadbeat. So it's a lot of men out here that actually abuse women. Sure! We saw several of them in Kenosha that night That's right It is amazing how they always tend to be around when these kind things go down Bullet crap happening yeah Yeah so we're not saying that the police is not necessary and domestic violence is not serious issue but I think people take it too far in the sense if you just having couple spat There's no need to involve the law in it because the law only has one purpose and that's to enact a law. That's it, whatever the law is okay they'll quickly tell you Mr. Curry, Mr. Faxe You got 30 minutes to pack your bag, you got anywhere to go? Get your toothbrush Right! You want to make a phone call? You gotta get up out of here and thats... thats the system

49:50 And that's the other leg of the justice system that really needs to be exposed. We saw the one leg of it get exposed during this trial, now that's another leg we need to expose in the future because that caused a lot of strife and unnecessary involvement of law enforcement in couple situations but I digress... Okay thank you, I appreciate that was worth the diversion for me So I think we stopped at 11. Now, we got to get to actual Joe by name speaking to Jacob Blake Also had been waiting to hear more about his visit with the family of Jacob Blake. Attorney Benjamin Crump released a statement minutes ago while the vice president was speaking, said that he and Dr Biden met with the family including Jacob Blake's father, Jacob Lake Senior, his sisters and brother Ben Crump listened in by phone as did Jacob Blake's mother and Jacob Blake himself from his hospital bed this piece of the statement in particular stood out quote I'm quoting from the statement from Ben crump quote

50:52 Jacob Jr., the young man who was shot, shared about the pain he is enduring and the Vice President commiserated. The Vice President told the family that he believes the best of America is in all of us and that we need to value all our differences as we come together in America's great melting pot Going on to read, quote, it was very obvious that Vice President Biden cared as he extended to Jacob Jr. a sense of humanity treating him as a person worthy of consideration and prayer unquote. That is part of a statement from attorney Benjamin Crump about the meeting that Vice President Joe Biden had with the Blake family so apparently Kristen

51:33 Joe Biden and Jacob Blake spoke, communicated somewhat today which I think is the first we've heard of a major political figure actually talking to the family and to young Mr. Blake That is a great piece of propaganda Have the guy's lawyer create the statement of what happened with color and just read that verbatim on the air and then say, wow looks like they had a good little chat didn't they? But I would say this that uh Crump or Biden needs to update their language cause melting pot is now racist. You cannot say melting pots! This is true yeah you're very tone deaf in doing that but this

52:19 This goes with the thing with Cardi B and talking to the presidential candidates. This goes with all these other people that talk to presidential candidates, now you got people that are shot? Talking to presidential candidate. This was the cringe this was the pander the panda machine was on 11 right now As far as oh, let's go talk to Jacob Blake and then in the egg was on their face But people with short memories and under mass formation They don't see this they know they don't hear this they only hear seven shots yeah And that's that's why you saying a psyop is spot-on because none of these translates all it is was

52:59 I'm not going to get these clips from anywhere exclusive or anything. This was for public knowledge and the reporters knew, well that sounds kind of crazy if you ask me but... Seven shots, seven shots. Seven shots is all that mattered so before we get into this I want to identify the who this report is talking to and I had it written down here but as Kristen She's the new Department of Justice civil rights oh Yeah, yeah, this is the American Indian woman no she's black or well no she's black in color but

53:40 Think she's from the Caribbean. Oh, she's not she's not Ados No, she's not a toss and I thought she was American Indian know you thinking about Gupta? No Not no not Indian American Indian like Indian like Native American. Oh, she what she might I mean if you talk to me What's her name again? Kristen uh What is hurt I had it here This is the part DOJ civil rights. Kristen Clark, hold on. Kristen Clark that's it and I think she's from Jamaica Oh no no i'm sorry i'm thinking of someone else yes I have seen her and she is indeed Jamaican Yes well she's American but her parents are from Jamaica they immigrated Correct correct well she's similar to Kamala Harris in that way where she's Jamaican by... Yes and I remember seeing her and she was talking some smack

54:37 What's this we business? Which is one small step forward in terms of healing just recognizing and acknowledging this brutal tragedy We've got to remember that Mr. Blake is a human being, he is a father, he is a son He's the descendant of the family that has literally committed itself to our nation civil rights movement Stop Dog whistle No kidding Y'all wanna talk dog whistles? No kidding Dog whistle, she- he's a descendent And you gotta remember this was during election time when she was actually Genius Before she before she got her appointment Um

55:25 So she's out there caping hard for the administration too because she knew she had something coming down the pipe. She got a gig, yeah I got a gig coming up. So you just rewind that little bit? Yeah he's the descendant interesting word she chose there He is a father, he is a son. He is the descendant of a family that has literally committed itself to our nation's civil rights movement. His own grandfather marched in the days after the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King and so Mr Biden's actions today most certainly humanize Mr Blake but what we need now is justice

56:03 What we need now are officers who will be held accountable for the harm done to Mr. Blake, we need officers to be held accountable for the countless shootings of unarmed African Americans this is a crisis that is ripping at the soul of our nation and we need national leadership to come blind eye to this and who will acknowledge the bitter, harmful racism underlying the police violence that we are seeing tearing communities apart in our country right now. Wow! Also worth noting that Joe Biden in his remarks did indeed say that institutional racism is a thing and he directly connected it to the incident in Kenosha that has left Jacob Blake Jr. in a hospital bed. Kristen Clark of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law thanks very much

56:54 Oh my goodness. So that's her before she got her gig so you know she was out there caping hard and throwing around the descendant word how convenient um That's the kind of thing, they know what time it is. They know what's going on. They know what the talking points are and it's amazing that she used that word because I thought Adolfs were black bots Russian bots excuse me so to throw that word around you might get yourself on a list there Kristen but... I was gonna say I get into trouble with people Because I'll say, yeah I do. And usually it winds up with me having to explain ADOS and I'll say this woman has no business talking like this

57:40 you know, she really doesn't. At least not with the attitude that she's a part of this and that she understands these... By the way I am actually a descendant of people who were active in civil rights. My great uncle painted John Brown in murals on the wall in Kansas at the Capitol it's like that's how stupid it is what this woman is saying And what that this just they had they had nothing to say So they come all I did the same thing. They just have to fill up space With his rambling, but when I say those things then I get into trouble people say but that's that's really racist That you say that because she's by color because of her color their skin But you can't identify Separate groups within you know, that's kind of like lumping

58:35 Asians with white. Asians with Chinese and say oh he's Asian. Asians with whites? Well no I just say within intra- Oh yeah, like Japanese Korean Chinese all the same Yeah, that's basically what they're saying. So that's highly offensive. Yes to those people. That's my point. I totally get your point and i'm just gonna highlight it even further that's like saying uh we want somebody to speak on Indian relations He's Chinese, bring him on. We have somebody here representing the Asian Americans and it's like what? I mean cuz you could be from Kazakhstan or wherever and be considered asian Yes! You might even be considered Chinese just looking at you if your from Kazakhstan

59:25 Right, so that's where it is offensive. And the other part is I'm just going to say this and people can get frustrated with me It's amazing how these super woke women Kamala Harris and Kristen her... I forget her name last name again Yeah, but they're married to these oppressive white men. They speak so bad of I don't understand! They thought the only good ones? How does that work? That's right. They took them there is none left Oh and Don Lemon too excuse me Let me not forget Don Lemon as well But it's amazing how they get out here and vilify the same people And then go lay down beside a person or group of people that you are vilifying Now I don't understand

1:00:07 Yeah, my said you're not in the mass formation. So you see right through it This is how the Emperor has no clothes Thank goodness I'm not part of that We're gonna wrap this, we're gonna have an early donation segment. So this is going to be the last clip of this block just because I wanted a break to show up but this is the final outcome whether Jacob Blake was uh... The officers were charged or not in the Jacob Blake situation. We are now turning now to the fallout after the Kenosha District Attorney announced he will NOT charge any of the police officers involved in the shooting of Jacob Blake this summer Alex Perez is at Kenosha with the latest for us Good morning Alex

1:00:46 Hey, good morning Robin. Things are peaceful here overnight but the city of Kenosha remains under an emergency declaration some 500 National Guardsmen have been activated Jacob Blake's family calls a prosecutor's decision unjust No justice, no peace! Overnight demonstrators taking to the streets in Kenosha Wisconsin. After prosecutors announced they are declining to charge the officer who shot Jacob Blake seven times last August saying that after pouring through some 40 hours of video and 1500 pages of reports The evidence did not support charges. No Kenosha law enforcement officer in this case

1:01:29 will be charged with any criminal offense. This disturbing video of the incidents back on August 23rd sparked days of protest, police were responding to a domestic dispute call from Blake's girlfriend. Blake who was paralyzed in the shooting this morning is still recovering his family frustrated with the prosecutor's decision to not press charges. We the Blake family are asking this city, this county, this state and this nation to rise up in a nonviolent civic uprising, to let our friends and family know there's a new sheriff in town. And the teenager who is accused of killing two people during protests here last summer Kyle Rittenhouse was arraigned in court he pleaded not guilty to all charges

1:02:19 Once again the timing. Beautiful! Like we couldn't get the cops, but we got Kyle so don't worry about it and who's this new sheriff in town thing? Yeah that was interesting it was also like don't be violent about the new sheriff in town right yeah I thought Once again because they knew isn't this the same Justice Department, whatever you call it locally that the district attorney or whatever the same ones decide not to charge The cops charged Kyle so they're like wait wait we might we might get cow. So don't go too crazy Just yet is how I interpret that I think if you look at the timeline That's completely acceptable yeah, so I just

1:03:09 We saw the Jacob Blake situation. We knew what time it was we were like nah, yeah seven shots that's a bit much but you also out of line in the way you were carrying on and then as You heard like it was part of domestic dispute and really none of it was good None of us good for the optics week. We had some headlines we had to move on I Yeah, we had other things to get to so that's why they just kind of pivoted over to the George Floyd thing and like will catch this on the backside in November. So that was a plan well executed so far yeah I mean they They had a bigger plan you could tell the way it handled this but i just wanted to point out and bring back to people's memory how disingenuous The uh

1:04:00 politicians and the media was but I had to give media credit at least they tried with this one. They at least tried to say well, I don't know about that one but... But I like the levers they pull and I just have to say it like you I think we see it the same way The levers are getting pulled man It's not that hard its only six CEOs you gotta talk too It's very simple. Yeah, the levers get pulled in one after another let's do this then that's not working to chung Before we get into the donation segment since you throw this I out there I just have this if I have no proof This is completely speculation completely speculation But could this be a whole? distraction from from the whole coup situation unraveling

1:04:49 Well, MS stands for Microsoft. I'm just saying MSNBC and they've been the ones on the tip of the spear pushing this Confusion at the same time nobody really wants to talk about what's going on on the coup side of things so I just want to throw it out there as a could this be a distractionary measure and Race is the perfect distraction Yeah, I think it's um, I think it's easy fallback It's a good one. I think this is more planned than we realized, it works out perfectly but i don't know if its necessarily distraction This was well executed and that the piece that was kind of missing for me because I was paying attention to other things This timeline shows me how well done this is

1:05:42 Yeah, and in that timeline if you have some other nuggets you wanted to hide in the news now is a time to drop it because it'll be in the third or fourth block segment. Exactly! Breakout cases are more... but don't pay attention to that look at the... This is like do you watch Succession? I do not. I haven't started watching it yet Okay, anyway this is like the Christmas tree It's like everyone can hang their shit on it Except you know not for display but just like oh just stick it here in the branches So as this thing goes off to the burning pile then uh... No one sees what's going on Okay, I see what you're saying. That's kind of the point that i'm trying to make as well is it's a good masking mechanism to say well we told you but you were paying attention to something else so... Here's the story! Here's the story! I told ya I published it Right right We talked about it You just didn't pay attention to it It's your fault

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1:24:59 I would think so. You could see it as that they lost a business venture due to counterfeit. Yes, there's one other thing but it is longer story. The wrap up of the Oxycontin situation with the fines for the Sacklers, by the way Johnson & Johnson four times as bad today. CVS Walgreens and one more were all found guilty of in essence being drug dealers handing out pills and you know now that the hammers come down it's harder for people to get their pills you create demand

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1:27:39 But this covers from their first interaction with Kyle and the the first person that he shot down to the final person that he shot. So it's a whole, their whole rendition of what happened and once again this is ABC News so you can stop at whenever you like if there are some points that you want to address. Okay. You can go ahead and begin the clip now At 10 o'clock PM a video shows a group of armed men protecting a car shop at the corner of 59th and Sheridan And one young man... Well, just stop it right here. I should have been over, under a half second. How many seconds was it? Let me see... It was uh- I was actually rubbing my eye too! It would have been- it was eight seconds in so didn't take me long Yes, I do like the dramatization of it. Already the soundscape, the mix is beautiful. Uh..I liked the voice they chose for this innocent girl The whole thing is working for me. I think this is outstanding on the propaganda scale

1:28:41 in a green t-shirt and backwards baseball cap says A little over an hour later, protesters gathered at an ultimate gas station at 60th and Sheridan. We see a man who appears to be Joseph Rosenbaum one of the shooting victims clash with armed men also gathered back at the car shop at 59th Wow! They really did sound editing too Uh-huh Wow this is good Did they switch to video when you heard that as well? They pop in you see angry men? Oh, this is good. Yes. Yes, it's good with armed men also gathered Back at the car shop at 59th and Sheridan the same young man who appears to be Kyle Rittenhouse can Be seen asking law enforcement for water And the officers can be heard speaking to the group

1:29:35 It's so funny, I love not seeing the video because what i expected you know officers can be seen talking to the group. What I expect is a bunch of cops saying hey guys you know let's keep it calm tonight no one says like citizen citizen that's not officers talking to them that's not right same thing that is not community policing there's gonna be hurt speaking Sorry, and why you got to stop I just want to make the point how they said like the cops gave Kyle water Like you're saying like he's in a timeout break. It's like here you go Yeah hydrated for what you see your killing for your killing spree that's right and the officers can be heard speaking to the group At 11 48 p.m.. Gunshots ring out those are gunshots down there first four bursts then three

1:30:29 A man who police identified as Rittenhouse runs across the parking lot of an auto service shop, followed by a shirtless man who was later identified as Joseph Rosenbaum. Moments later shots ring out and the shirtless man falls to the ground. A figure who appears to be Rittenhouse continues running. Seconds later he comes back into view and bystanders arrived help victim Rittenhouse can be seen standing by the body, making a phone call. As more people arrive he runs away out of frame and someone seems to be heard saying I shot somebody At 1149 multiple videos show Rittenhouse running down the street as a pursuer tries to hit him. Rittenhouse is being chased by several people when he appears to stumble and fall to the ground

1:31:24 While on the ground police say he fires at least four shots striking two people Anthony Huber is shot and lies motionless in the street Gage gross-kreutz is shot in the arm and appears to be holding whoa, whoa Whoa? I mean we weren't gonna go through all the details of this but they just they had a lot of detail And then all sudden they skip over Guy kicking him in the face, skateboard gun pointing at him. No skateboard no chase. None of that! Kyle just took off running It's like they compressed that into five seconds

1:32:04 Right, so that's why I wanted to play this just so we could get the context of how the media sold this situation. Like you said they just glossed over everything no key points the whole key points of the case exactly So we can continue on Wow At 11.49, multiple videos show Rittenhouse running down the street as a pursuer tries to hit him. Rittenhouse is being chased by several people when he appears to stumble and fall to the ground While on the ground police say he fires at least four shots striking two people Anthony Huber is shot and lies motionless in the street Gage Grosskreutz is shot in the arm and appears to be holding a handgun according to the criminal complaint

1:32:53 Rittenhouse gets up and runs down the street as police arrive at the scene. People in the crowd can be heard yelling. Rittenhouse raises his hands while his rifle hangs around his torso, and a number of police vehicles drive past him He walks towards a squad car which is parked near the First United Methodist Church This is the last time we see him on video ABC News obtained Rittenhouse was not arrested that night in Kenosha. Ha away gosh, that is very you know There's something unique about about this this podcast Which is 100% attributable to you? Is you know an analysis exactly of what we just did We can only do that because we let this sit we let it marinate we you know, we collect our own

1:33:51 information over time. It just takes time and every other analysis that is done right after something has happened, is shit you know? And only because we have waited... We wait for these things before we do a show it's really so clear how bad the propaganda is and just complete fake news! Let me see if I can... We should just have this during a whole show. We'll have this scary working on the theremin live, okay? That's exactly the point though that we have to wait

1:34:34 It's so, you know if we were chasing numbers and chasing views and that kind of thing. Oh the breaking news! Breaking news! Breaking news! And that's why I got so frustrated with everybody's analysis like oh they just got all my lawyer now and i'm just gonna... Ooh did you see that? Look at this and disusing all it no yeah let's back up what we're fed then we'll process what we're being fed and see if it makes sense or not That's where everyone comes from. Yes, so um you want to give me what you heard? Let's stop right there I'm gonna tell you what some people thought and then we'll go like okay good well do you wanna

1:35:22 I don't know what because we're probably going to say the same thing. What i mean by not, I'm not gonna go point by point No just that clip Just what the narrative was Oh I know exactly what the narrative was Let me go ahead, humor me and then I'll tell you if This guy just started shooting at black people He's shooting in the wild And killed three people Killed two people and blew another guys arm up That he was a troublemaker The narrative you're close, which is a few points. You missed the narrative was Kyle says I'm sick and tired of these black loud Mariposa yes Yes, I'm gonna do something about it I'm gonna throw my AR in the back of my car and get my mom to drive me across state lines So I can shoot some black people

1:36:12 That's the narrative and the way they sold it was, because a lot of people I talked to... No no you forgot. It's shoot me some black people Yeah shoot me some black people There ya go! Now you've got the complete narrative So then on top of that is that he actually shot three protesters at a Black Lives Matter Yes. Okay, so I thought you were asking me what i heard in the clip yes this narrative of course well aware no so I'm just telling you that's the if you didn't wear and tapped into this case and purposely rightfully so they did left it vague man shoots kid shoots yeah crosses state lines

1:36:57 Yeah, cross state lines with an AR-15. That's scary. 17. Yeah. 17 killer kid and he goes and shoots three people at Black Lives Matter rally just by the laws of odds if you hear that headline man shoots people at black lives matter rally it is at least gonna be one dead black person in there right? Hell yeah! Or at least someone who identifies as black You would think so? Is this kind of like, what was the kid's name that sparked the 94 crime bill? Little... Yes. You caught me on the spot, but I know as... Little... We're bad? People are yelling at their podcast app right now! I know! Little Yummy. Little Yummy there it is yeah this is kind of... Our written house has been White Little Yummy That's right It's the new white little yummy Yeah This is that's exactly oh my god we now have 17 year old Trump supporters

1:37:59 They don't like heartless and yeah, they wanted to conflate him with Dylan Roof. Yeah Yes, yes there was that Did go target black people I mean like that that is a factual statement That he went to a black church to target people so they wanted that energy To roll into Kyle And that's the, and George Zimmerman. So he's like a amalgamation of George Zimmerman and Dylan Ruth. That's the way they wanted to paint Kyle. But to come to find out none of the people in... I've talked to people who say you know none were black right? They're like what? Like for real? Black people? Yes!

1:38:55 Yeah, well you know in the Dutch newspapers Kyle Rittenhouse who shot three black protesters. Black Lives Matter just dropped out and now it's black protesters? But it is easy to do mentally Oh no! It's not a... I believe that this did open up small crack, little wedge and number of people What's her name from Young Turks? Oh, Anna Kasparian. Anna! She... Tina showed this to me she did a whole thing and you know I was really wrong and when i saw this live trial I thought that these were black people that he shot said I was really wrong I have to reevaluate my sources That was big of her man

1:39:45 Now, what we have to do is juxtapose what we just heard in the Jacob Blake situation where they went over every fine detail with fine teeth that look for a reason for the cop not to be justified and then the vagueness of the cow situation. Yeah And it's sick It's sick is what it is Well, we have to ask the question why do you want to manipulate me? People need to start asking that question What did I get out of manipulating me and they wanted outrage, but I don't know. So let's get into who the victims were. Three shootings two of them dead. These are the men shot by Kyle Rittenhouse the night of August 25th 2020 in Kenosha 17 at the time Rittenhouse claims he shot the protesters in self-defense a jury will have to listen to testimony and watch reels of video evidence before deciding

1:40:45 36-year old Joseph Rosenbaum, who prosecutors say was unarmed was the first man shot by Rittenhouse seen here in video edited and released by Rittenhouse's defense team. Rosenbaum from Texas was living in Kenosha friends called him Jojo he had a daughter and fiancee as Rittenhouse took off down Sheridan Road written house falls to the ground shoots and misses one man then anthony hubert uses his skateboard and tries to take written houses gun ran up on somebody with a soul racer well that was blatant how do you try to take a gun with a skateboard i mean like he comes rolling in on the skateboard? I know what happened this was interesting because yeah in the trial itself, the way the prosecution tried to sell this

1:41:32 was by saying they thought he was an active shooter and everybody was doing anything they could to bring down the active shooter. Which it was an interesting take But that's not how active shooters work active shooters shoot They don't like aim and not aim they shoot indiscriminately And they'll empty your magazine and put in another one, and you know that kind of stuff but that was That was clearly they were trying to manipulate what happened there And the skateboard I should say, I've seen enough videos. Look when I was a kid I was a fervent skateboarder. I can still wake surf and I still got my balance. I can still do some things My insurance company won't let me do it anymore But we never use the skateboard as a weapon and it's a weapon! I see people beating people with skateboards all day long

1:42:34 There's a famous movie or pop culture cult class is what they call them called kids And one of the most famous scenes from it is a man getting beat almost to death with his skateboard. So, a skateboarder can definitely be a weapon but this just the way they said that like he tried to disarm him with the skateboard like you could take that as like he came skating in and did like uh 360 and kickflip? Yeah, like a kick push kind of thing yeah its like what?! What do you mean he tried it? No, he would try to whack him over the head and maybe that dude thought He was an active shooter but he made the wrong call. Yeah I mean You don't run towards you know, yeah, you don't run toward active shooter I mean you can if I have a gun maybe But uh you as they always say he brought a skateboard to a gunfight That's that's not bad idea now

1:43:27 We've talked about the, you know, Kyle. But let's talk about the men that were out there that got shot. They don't want to talk about their arrest records we can get into if you want to a little bit but this is that third wave I was telling everybody about when we talked about the George Floyd situation. Yeah, yeah I think you do need to get into this and it's important that we get into their backgrounds because it is the third wave so just do a little recap Okay, so the first wave is the activists they come out there okay So you have an event happen a shooting like Jacob Blake or whatever? The first wave are your activists and they come out there And they get people all charged up with the chance in the you know No justice no peace that kind of thing

1:44:13 Then nightfall comes, second wave comes in. Those are your agent provocateurs those are the ones that actually break the glass. They with the umbrellas and the and the glass breaking devices? Right because once you break that glass as we talk about a lot on this show is once the glass breaks it's kind of metaphorical or representative of civility breaking And once that glass breaks and nightfall comes here come the third wave which I said were criminals now it just so happens Rosenbaum or whatever his name is I mispronounced it, but you know first Jojo Jojo yeah, they make nice. They just call him just JoJo oh Jojo Oh

1:44:57 So Jojo, he's out front with the bag. With his personal effects is a clear sign that you just been released on some kind of facility or jail or whatnot and he's out there screaming shoot me N word shoot me in word I don't know when we start panning out passes like and this is the dish I know I'm jumping all over place but This is the disingenuous part I have with people that wanted to get involved in this case When do we start passing out the n-word? Yeah, as you know anybody yeah And and I saw black people standing around looking down like this dude got to be crazy like your adult black live rally um Shouting shoot me n word right. That's the thing they do uh He yeah now um

1:45:54 Then you have the other guys that also have criminal records and it's just what it seems to me is this that bail thing No, bail Bailing people out. No cash bail they keep yeah no well they had to keep their The ranks full. So like we need more bodies, like because nobody was interested in protesting this case. Now so did they just let Jojo out for this you think? Jojo had a plastic bag with his personal effects in it you can look it up This is the fact he had just been recently released I don't know if it wasn't from medical institute or a jail

1:46:32 But he had just recently, that day been released. Hadn't he sodomized young boys? Wasn't that the guy? Oh and that's what a lot of people... That's where I met with it like oh he shot a pedophile hmm huh! I mean like i know that's bad to say but uh look close the door we gotta talk hold on a second this is important we have to do that hold on a second okay i just slammed it there you go We have to talk. When did black folks start getting so involved in white on white crime? That's all I'm asking

1:47:11 It just amazes me how people are just so all broken up over JoJo. You know what I'm saying? The pedophile, not the other Joe, not Brandon but the uh... Jojo. Um... Okay never mind bad joke. Yeah exactly! Right it was inferred but you get what i'm saying Yes I do But um they're just so heartbroken over a one white guy shooting three other white guys If you saw this in like a workplace shooting or anything else people are like, hmm. You know this that's how it goes But now is they scared you to the point? Like oh he was coming to kill black people but you know He didn't have the chance to That doesn't make any sense and nothing that shows me is when you have

1:48:00 That many shots fired and you're hitting all white people. Maybe that's not a black lives matter rap Maybe we need to rename it I'm just saying this is just me This is just my pure uncut take on this thing And that's why didn't get really involved in it cuz when I saw like hmm well, I mean It is what it is um well. I knew the take of the takeaway far beyond anything is people have an opinion based, they're under-informed and over socialized. This is what I've always said They have an opinion based on a headline And they feel the necessity to let everyone know that they have this opinion or that they share the same opinion It's just based on nothing Hopefully enough people feel a bit ashamed about what they might of said or posted

1:48:49 And I'm also liking this to just the fact that, and we can open a door after this. Is the fact that...I think people just pick sides based on race? Yes! Okay, that white guy's bad and imma say this Kyle does have a very punchable face. I mean I'm just saying Just as an observation, I mean he... We said that in high school like certain guys you just look at him like uh-uh. You were saying there's something about that guy not to say he should be harmed but i'm just saying that He has the wrong optics or the right optics. You know? He just had that look about him Yeah, that's interesting because I look at him and I totally understand what you're saying And I can see that and sometimes when he grimaces especially if it's a picture and not video

1:49:35 Yeah, I mean you put the right caption under it and You totally see that but I also see he's just a baby. That I also see that is the baby boy Mm-hmm. So I don't punch baby boys mo Your point is well made. He has that face like it's just that people just don't like him I mean, definitely my that's my point like certain people you see that You just don't like and he has that look or imma say this the media Portrayed him in that way Like you said they always called him out his lips puckered. Yes, that's exactly it pictures face So yes to pictures more than some more to say but yeah, I mean so we can open a door now But I just want to say

1:50:17 There we go better. It was a lot of fake outrage and in a lot of Karen's it was a lot of black Karen's out there I'm just gonna keep in 100 No This is how it works as far as self-defense and gun rights you heard the Joy Reid bit didn't ya? Yeah, yeah, I heard them all I mean they were melting down which I'm thinking this rumor She's getting fired You know who's gonna replace her Don't tell Tiffany. Oh, Tiffany Yeah, Tiffany that one The one that does a Saturday show the other black lady on MSNBC she feels in for joy sometimes Tiffany What is her name? I mean you caught me off guard Tiffany cross that's who was gonna replace her yeah, she's a better choice

1:51:13 Because she is ADOS. Yep, yep. And we got it but you're gonna see a lot of not-ADOS getting people get fired around 2022 2024 elections. Yeah. That's a very good prediction they realize that that is not working anymore when guys as white as Adam Curry are falling over that making problems now it's time to change that up yes mm-hmm And that's the other lady with the effort you were talking about as well. They're bringing, they're slowly cycling in a new group because they... She is AIDAS I think she is AIDAS Yeah! That what we are saying like they are getting the B team or their replacements ready so you start to see them coming out Well it will be fresh faces It'll be fun Makes television interesting yeah I'm all for that

1:52:03 You want to finish this 16a clip, Mo? Yeah let's go ahead. I'm sorry about that yeah no problem. Huber uses his skateboard and tries to take Rittenhouse's gun he ran up on somebody with an assault rifle dude with nothing like he was just gonna tackle dude to the ground. Rittenhouse fired killing 26 year old Huber who also lived in Kenosha His girlfriend tearfully spoke with 12 news the very next day He already killed someone! He KILLED someone already And then he killed my After Huber, Gage Grosskreutz of West Dallas in the crowd as a medic approaches Rittenhouse who is still on the ground. Grosskreutz is armed with a handgun. Rittenhouse shoots him in the arm he was the lone survivor. Wait wait what did he say? What? You can write it back yeah.

1:51:13 Because she is ADOS. Yep, yep. And we got it but you're gonna see a lot of not-ADOS getting people get fired around 2022 2024 elections. Yeah. That's a very good prediction they realize that that is not working anymore when guys as white as Adam Curry are falling over that making problems now it's time to change that up yes mm-hmm And that's the other lady with the effort you were talking about as well. They're bringing, they're slowly cycling in a new group because they... She is AIDAS I think she is AIDAS Yeah! That what we are saying like they are getting the B team or their replacements ready so you start to see them coming out Well it will be fresh faces It'll be fun Makes television interesting yeah I'm all for that

1:52:03 You want to finish this 16a clip, Mo? Yeah let's go ahead. I'm sorry about that yeah no problem. Huber uses his skateboard and tries to take Rittenhouse's gun he ran up on somebody with an assault rifle dude with nothing like he was just gonna tackle dude to the ground. Rittenhouse fired killing 26 year old Huber who also lived in Kenosha His girlfriend tearfully spoke with 12 news the very next day He already killed someone! He KILLED someone already And then he killed my After Huber, Gage Grosskreutz of West Dallas in the crowd as a medic approaches Rittenhouse who is still on the ground. Grosskreutz is armed with a handgun. Rittenhouse shoots him in the arm he was the lone survivor. Wait wait what did he say? What? You can write it back yeah.

1:52:55 After Huber, Gage Grosskreutz of West Dallas in the crowd as a medic approaches Rittenhouse who is still on the ground. Grosskreutz is armed with a handgun. Rittenhouse shoots him in the arm he was the lone survivor I walked away with my life that night Two people dead in the middle. The judge ruled prosecutors cannot call the three men shot victims, but is allowing the defense to call them looters, rioters or arsonists if they can prove it. Reporting I'm Hillary Minstead with EYSN 12 News Nice touch to say that he was a medic in the crowd That's what they portrayed that he was coming He was armed Yeah But not brandishing an arm No Not the firearm He was trying to put him on equal footing with Kyle just a medic who was armed

1:53:41 But and also there was the reason the way I heard it was that he was coming in to give Kyle aid Yeah, yeah. He had his shot. It was in such a blind range. Yes. He was just letting it off with everybody by the way And and I did I did Say this on no agenda. I've been in court several times, but the first time and it was a civil trial was MTV Network suing me and I was counter-suing anyway It was interesting because I'd never been through discovery I had never really been to court with a judge and the whole vibe and everything expensive lawyers. It was kind of crazy it was about mtv.com domain name different story and I remember The lawyer for MTV presenting their case

1:54:26 with the same facts that I had and I remember sitting there going, holy crap! Yeah if you present it that way...I look like a total douchebag who's trying to steal from MTV but with the same facts. And for me that was like whoa! That's really scary stuff That's why I was saying Lady Justice had a serious upskirt. Because people are now seeing how the sausage is made, and it was a bad idea to televise this trial because it did more harm than good to the prosecution and prosecutors across the country because now we see, and being complicit with the media too you know? You see the people with this kind of propaganda that were hearing here

1:55:20 And we're gonna get in the next batch of clips. These next eight clips, We can kind of speed through because I segmented them that way so it seems like a lot of clips but what it does is the prosecutions uh claims and see how they line up with the two previous clips that we heard of what the media said happened. Okay, so this I got it So this is going back to Nate Delaware and he does the- This is what he's great about um He does 50 hours in 10 minutes. So he did the 50 hours of court Yeah, so it saves you on a You know 50 hours or ten minutes that works for me? So what he's gonna do is like we can

1:56:00 Play them and then talk a little bit in between them, but it's just gonna highlight exactly what we heard. And those clips, but from the prosecutions witnesses standpoint, but the first two are the opening statements. One and two are to open statements from the prosecution and defense so we can get into 17 First will start with the opening statements now opening statements are important because it allows a jury to get a preview of what each side is going to present you get A preview with the defenses gonna present You're gonna get a preview with the prosecutors gonna present So the state essentially painted Kyle as a vigilante and essentially said that Kyle chased down and tried to kill the victims. The defendant, Kyle Rittenhouse who was 17 years old at the time had armed himself with an AR-15 style semi automatic rifle loaded with 30 rounds in a magazine And using that rifle he shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum An unarmed man The shot that killed Mr. Rosenbaum was a shot to the back This occurred after the defendant chased down

1:57:11 Mr.. Rosenbaum and confronted him while wielding that ar-15 the evidence will show if the defendant fled The scene of the dead body of Joseph Rosenbaum without stopping to offer any aid whatsoever Yeah, well some factually incorrect things in there. You can point them out and then we can keep moving Shot him in the back and was chasing it oops or I shot him in the back and was chasing him both not true Then he came back to the body and made a phone call. I don't know if he was rendering aid, but he made a phone call I don't know who he was calling too But right either makes tonight He shot him and ran off into this We can go ahead move number two now Now the defense attorney tried to combat that by alleging that Kyle didn't chase anyone but he was the one being chased and he acted in self-defense

1:58:05 with what the state says about him hunting or chasing him down. He's trying to get away from the individual, you'll hear testimony not just from Kyle Rittenhouse but Balch Mr. Balch about Joseph Rosenbaum stating to Kyle to Ryan Balch in each other's presence, if I get either of you two alone, I'm going to kill you. Flat out threats to murder. When Mr. Rosenbaum is shot in the car source lot three,

1:58:47 There's been a gunshot behind Kyle. He turns to address Mr Rosenbaum of his firearm Mr. Rosenbaum is not deterred he continues Now remember arguments are not evidence so the opening statements, you know You can bolster a little bit you can be a little flamboyant But it's really gonna come down to the witness Yeah presenting in the completely different light Different set so we got two total different stories, and it's amazing that they were displaying the same of it the way they are

1:59:22 The way it was broken down. So now we get to get into the witnesses, so the only thing I could put had to pull with the prosecution witnesses this is how bad it was. It was great. Uh, so let's go ahead and get into the first witness for the prosecution. Now obviously since the state Is the one alleging that Kyle did something bad they have to put on a case-in-chief an prove their allegations? So now we turn to the state's witnesses. Now since this is a summary Let me just tell it to you stone cold. The state's witnesses have testified to these following things, one that the alleged victim Joseph Rosenbaum chased and lunged at Kyle to grab his gun. Well I was behind Mr. Rosenbaum and Mr. Rittenhouse was on the other side of me and Rosenbaum

2:00:14 They, it was clear that they as he lunged forward they almost made contact. It wasn't clear if they did or not And your perception was that evening as you watched it He was going for the barrel of the gun Correct I think it was very clear to me That he was reaching specifically for the weapon and Because thats where his hands went This sap probably thought he was helping by saying that Well, I think you can say what you want to but when your facing perjury. See that's the beautiful thing about perjury. You can say what you want too but when your facing time if you lie

2:00:58 Yeah, oops. They're like hey these dead dudes ain't worth it I'm gonna go ahead and give up the goods And that's kind of how like the power That's the power in you know Of jail Kinda good part of our justice system I think that You just can't get out there and say what you want to say without consequences Because there have been a lot of false accusations made In the media but this is why The trial was important to wait for Good point We're so used to people lying that you kind of forget that it's a big deal if you lie under oath. That's the beautiful thing about if especially we could be proven like what is there could be years in jail? So yeah, I think we start the two let's go and get into three. Two! That the alleged victim Joseph Rosenbaum made death threats

2:01:46 You and my client were present when Mr. Rosenbaum threatened you and Kyle, correct? Correct And he specifically said if he got either of you alone He would expletive kill you That's correct Any doubt about that No doubt about that Told the FBI that Yes And that was right after I'm gonna get his name wrong. Dustin had put out dumpster fire? Correct, it was about 20 to 30 minutes before we headed south and the shooting started Now this testimony was so damning and so damaging to the prosecution's case that the prosecutor started challenging their own witnesses credibility

2:02:28 Do these goombas think that everybody is all in on this? I think your analysis is perfect. Like, yeah... I'm not gonna lie for... Screw these guys! I think the prosecutor had to go through with this trial and it's like what do you want me to do?! I mean, I got a bunch of people that don't wanna really testify to things are not true We could play games with the cameras and you know, in the video. What I find disgusting in this whole thing is the FBI were flying drones over this whole situation. And nothing came out? And nothing was... yeah. What games are we playing here? Well maybe they had their eye on the sky to give instructions

2:03:24 It could be that and this is very reminiscent of the same way they were monitoring the riots in Baltimore. Via drone see I told you we're debated test they Everything out over like okay. We don't run it in Baltimore. See how it goes and if it works, we'll become operational And this is the kind of thing that I'm seeing is The good people in the FBI. I'm telling you y'all better start speaking up because the people are getting And when I say the people, we've always been skeptical of the feds. But it's like... People are making jokes about the FBI that way now on television openly sometimes That's my point is like you start losing everybody What's your purpose? You lose respect and then no one cares

2:04:14 Yeah, so I think that was four. Now we're in five. Let's go ahead and get into five now Here is Mr McGinnis an eyewitness to the shooting You don't know as you sit here today what Mr Rosenbaum was thinking do you? Do you mean at the time of the shooting Yes Or any point in his life I mean you have no idea what Mr. Rosenbaum was ever thinking at any point in his life you have never been inside his head, you've never met him before I've never even...I've never exchanged words with him that's what your question is so your interpretation of what he was trying to do or what he was intending to do or anything along those lines is complete guesswork isn't it? um well he said fuck you and then he reached for the weapon

2:05:01 Nice editing Moe, well done. That wasn't me that was Nate I gotta give it to you. Okay. But that was case closed right there and remind people this is the prosecutor's prosecution witnesses yeah these are their witnesses defense really didn't have to do anything now they did something. MSNBC was off at this point We need to um, you know we need a call Yeah, this is sixes now

2:05:45 Okay, let's go ahead and get into six. Now when the prosecution witnesses kind of don't really help your case the prosecutor then tried to bring in some forensic people to disprove the fact that people were reaching for Kyle's gun For instance Mr Huber who also was killed by Kyle Reinhaus allegedly hit Kyle with a skateboard and tried to grab the gun but the prosecutor Tried to put doubt in the minds of the jury that mr Huber actually grabbed the gun by saying that there was no DNA found on the gun or none of Mr. Huber's DNA found on the gun but that was easily overcome because their pictures of Huber trying to grab the gun and their own witness said just because there is no DNA doesn't mean he didn't grabbed the gun And so, the fact that I don't know where it is on the gun but the fact that the DNA isn't there

2:06:40 And everybody thinks DNA is this thing that proves everything. You'd agree that we can see he's actually touching the firearm? What is your question? Well, the fact that it's not present and I don't know where on the gun that is but the fact that DNA isn't present in any of the areas for Mr. Huber doesn't mean that he didn't actually touch it Correct Whether DNA was detected from an individual or not does not mean they did not touch that item Yeah, this was a... This is an oldie but goody. They tried to do that because everyone in the world knows DNA solves crime. Man, Dinah as Madea would say has been locking people up forever and that's one of those things that they throw out there oh DNA! DNA proved this! DNA proved that! And

2:07:34 I've always been skeptical of DNA in a way. You know how they cemented DNA in everyone's mind, don't you? What, paternity test? Jerry Springer! You better believe it brother. Yeah That's how they cemented that It's like that shit is real because people fight when they use DNA And this is the cornerstone of The Family Court their power. When do I graduate from this college course Moe? Do i ever graduate? No, I guess not. I don't want to graduate. I want work-study! I want to keep going. But no that's science basically this is when science took over the judicial system

2:08:20 Oh, we got DNA. We have found DNA to dishonorate somebody or find them guilty." What did the DNA say? And it's like how did you collect that? How was it stored and we've heard the horror stories of these labs and they got eaten in the lab and all kind of stuff going on and this is stuff where people lives hinge on. That's why the justice system has been thoroughly exposed and for nothing else I take joy because It's not justice. You know, the same thing could two things could be true Cal Rittenhouse could have went down there with the illest intentions Let's just say he was this that he got his car said I'm gonna take me some people out and we're not gonna take it anymore until you that's a thought crime Until he actually does something

2:09:12 That's a crime. You can't be found guilty, and I know people may get frustrated with me by saying that but I kept the same energy when about would Bill Cosby now we said two things could be true about Bill Cosby he could have been actually Guilty of all the things you've been accused of but if you can't get a good clean conviction I'm not can't stand with it. I know this is one thing and this is the only fair way you're saying we can have equality is through the legal system. And I mean, if you hear what people say, we want justice, but this is not justice, this is equity and it's not equality in the quickest explanation that they want the same outcomes

2:09:59 So it's like equal outcomes to so, Kyle looks like he's guilty so you need to be guilty. No we gotta go through what the laws are. Well this country built on the rule of law and we have to get back to it and many people talk about a two-tier justice system and I agree with that because it's people with a lot of money and people with no money. That's it? It has nothing to do with race or anything, I've had it myself you know there's been IRS screwed me you know and they literally said look if you had $150,000 yeah you could take us to court you'd win easily and you wouldn't have to pay the 75 thousand

2:10:40 I'm not kidding and you know what if i had the money to spend, I would have done it just to say FU IRS even though would have cost me twice as much. But just imagine that if you had, but this is what plays out on the lower level. If you had the money, you wouldn't have these troubles. It's like I committed a crime because I don't have any money. You know? So we're talking about non-violent offensive drug dealing weed those kind of things

2:11:15 It's like well if I had the money then i wouldn't be out here selling weed. Right, no and I understand the cycle is a problem but it's just amazing to hear on the big money level of you know what saying $75,000 hundred fifty thousand dollars like You realize I don't have the money or I would've paid the taxes right? You get that point Well in this case there was a dispute I think they were wrong and they were wrong And it was...I mean..and they admitted as much But did you take it to trial? I'm just curious. No, no! No, I can't afford to do that. So how'd you get...I mean, I will not get into your business but this is the thing where we talk about the conviction rate of how many things actually go to trial This legal system is built off people playing out Yeah You know

2:12:02 Oh scary numbers, whoo. He's 20 years this say you did it even if you didn't understand it all go away That's what they told you even pay it If not even though you don't owe it and I'll go away in exactly what this is This this is was being this is what's being exposed right now? And I'm all for it um so I think we stopped at six let's go ahead and get into seven now I don't want to understate this fact about the first week of trial. Every witness has made it very clear that the first victim, Rosenbaum was starting fires, was challenging armed people and saying things like shoot me.

2:12:50 And even threatens Kyle's life. When Mr Rosenbaum threatened you and Kyle, correct? Correct! And he specifically said if he got either of you alone... He would expletive kill you That is correct Any doubt about that No doubt about that Told the FBI that Yes And again I want to make it very clear These are the prosecutions witnesses Yeah told the-told the FBI that mhm How can you make a case for him being found guilty if the prosecution witnesses that they chose and selected and put on the stand are telling this story. I don't, and this goes to your claim about mass formation you have to be in mass formation too by this and the Jacob Blake situation. And that well okay so we saw what they did

2:13:46 During the trial we saw certainly what they did and we heard what they said after the trial with a I mean M5m, but specifically MSNBC in CNN And in mass formation from what understand from Matia professor de smet who? Taught us this it's actually the more absurd The better so the more absurd things you ask people to do in mass formation ie tell people that you know, this is exactly the opposite and that this is totally racial etc. etc... That they're going along with it They cannot help themselves But then you get like Anna from Young Turks She was breakable She broke out of the mass formation I got my eye on her she's very interesting now Let's see what happens Because she all of a sudden because she didn't just breakthrough She said You gotta question your sources No kidding

2:14:52 And I'll say, um...I think you can break through it but you just have to keep hammering away and hammer away. That's why i did this show in the way that im doing it. A lot of people haven't heard these facts Normally I don't get into weeds on the blow by blow and I didn't get into them here as well breaking down all this with a skateboard or what not. I want you to hear the prosecution witnesses Say what happened if you hear that and walk away from this seeing it any kind of other way as far what happened legally I don't know, I mean...I had to pray for you to break out of the mass formation. I mean because it's strong on you! The 30% that are in mass formation cannot get-it will not get them out You can't convince them. The 40%, that just go along with it? Yes and I think that this show in particular is great material for someone to help other people

2:15:49 who they know are just kind of going along with it and because that's really the breakdown according to the professor. 30% completely hypnotized, can't change their mind forget about it not worth it 40 percent go along with the program thirty percent that's us okay and so he so the thirty percent can use that on the forty percent because then all sudden you have seventy percent than doesn't matter And we just keep chipping away at it and the way to do that is, and I'll say this using good information. Because I think bad information and you've run into this a couple times can totally derail trying to help somebody because once they find anything they revert back to that formation they're gonna go running back to like oh I found one little flaw or... And this is how fact checkers work

2:16:38 Because when I looked at the fact checkers for this thing and the victims, excuse me the people that were shot it was like oh yeah they were pedophiles but not kind of like that pedophile. It was like how can you even find them? No they were minor attracted persons Don't you got to get me on a whole nother? Trigger for me. Yeah, that's a hard trigger for move on number eight Now let's talk about the defense the defense seems to just be watching the trial like we all are they're not objecting to really anything they're just letting everything kind of go fast and loose because I

2:17:19 They got a simple self-defense claim here. Now, you'll see most of us attorneys are a little frustrated that the defense is kind of just letting everything go rough shot but that's okay because they still I believe have a winning case now remember at the beginning of this video when i showed you the prosecutor saying that Kyle chased down Rosenbaum and then shot him kind of like indiscriminately well it's interesting that all of their witnesses all the prosecutions witnesses have rebutted the prosecutors opening statement So at this point in time, I don't know where this trial is going to go from here. When you have all your witnesses saying that the kid acted in self-defense Why are we here? Why are we here? This doesn't seem like a murder trial Yeah, there's your question why are we here? I'm gonna get to that but what we had to do first is

2:18:10 Provide some perspective for the people with the 40% that may not get it now, but make it Eventually, but you have to seek first to understand and be understood I'm gonna get set But I need to make this one quick point. The defense did do something in this case They told Kyle get up on that stand and give it up give up the goods cry like nobody's business Now I'm not saying it wasn't genuine but they probably talk don't you hold it back? You get that feeling Because I think that's what did it um like you said you can't put your baby He put he put that be crying on to say Look, I'm just a kid. You know and he broke he broke he broke him they broke him yeah to the point of and then

2:19:02 I think that's what the defense told him because there is no other reason for him to go on that stand, other than to cry. This makes sense to me because you know there were two prosecutors or two lawyers for the defense and uh... i really didn't like the Goomba guy and the thing they didn't like about him was he would say stuff like come on people! And when I heard them like does it work on juries? He said come on people, I didn't like it as like but I don't think I liked him And this is exactly the kind of guy that could, I think we need to give him a lot more credit because he proudly teed Kyle up.

2:19:41 No one told Kyle to do that because you can't what he that was real emotion But did the Goomba guy tee him up? I totally believe that Totally. What I'm saying is they said don't hold it back Yeah, yeah, I think they gave him the same speech they give Don Lemon and Van Jones If you feel it coming then just go with the fuck go with the feeling well hell yeah of course It's rating point and like I said when you face in life In jail, it don't take you much to cry. So I'm not saying that it was disingenuous but... No they teed him up, they teed him up of course! Those tears was currency and he's film It was super triggering if your gonna do an op anyway let's trigger the heck out people

2:20:29 And that and that and it worked on all sides if you were pro Kyle You've oh my god the poor kid if you hated Kyle like I look at this full of crap I mean like King James King James even tweeted about it. Mm-hmm yeah, so That's what I think defense D is like hey, you're gonna get you go up there don't hold back Don't just let me cuz I'm sure he's been crying the whole time. I'm sure I mean, I would probably be crying behind closed doors facing life You say you had to wake up and wanted to be like I'm facing life in prison Yeah, like I know I got a good case with Steven jail for three months. Yeah So but now I'm gonna provide perspective because

2:21:15 People may be saying, well how did this kid get off when we see so many other cases of bull crap charges and the legal system screwing young kids over. One case being this teen that was thrown in violent New York prisons Now we have an eyewitness news exclusive, a travesty. A young boy thrown in jail as a 16-year old high school sophomore now more than three years later this young man is free criminal charges completely dropped And good evening again at 5.30, I'm Diana Williams. And I'm Sade Bitterin-Wall. It is an outrageous case of justice derailed! How could it take three years for prosecutors in the Bronx DA's office to figure out they didn't have a case while a teenager sat in jail on Rikers? Investigative reporter Sarah Wallace joining us now with her exclusive story...

2:22:08 Well, at Diane Ann Shadday the Bronx DA's office is refusing to say anything about this case using the excuse that Khalif Browder has now filed a civil rights lawsuit. He was a teenage kid walking home from a party literally snatched off the street and charged with robbery it was a weak case from the very beginning I spent three New Years in there, four of my birthdays. I spent a lot of holidays in there. 20-year old Khalif Browder may be physically free but mentally he is still trapped behind bars on Rikers where every day was a battle to survive It's very hard when you're dealing with dudes that are

2:22:46 That's wild toy and they did big rooms, and they got weapons in shakes it then their gangs And you know if you don't give your phone call up Or you don't give him what he wants. You know they're gonna jump you cuz he got about other 15 Other gang members is very scary this was what maybe 10 years ago or something it was 2016 I want to say okay It was 15 somewhere around in there. Maybe or maybe off my date, but this gives perspective for people to say how does this kid get off with killing three people? We have to seek first understand and this kid didn't even get the trial for three years He didn't get the trial for three years on a stolen book bag

2:23:31 And this kid went through hell in jail, so I'm just providing perspective for how people can see it through a racial lens to say the court system is on some bullcrap. Well but also... Let's be real Where was Rev Al? Well, I'll say...I think Jay-Z and them did some... Oh they did? Like you know after the fact but your great point. And that's the other thing that... Cause you know why because there was no racial angle There was only a poverty angle and a kid angle That's all Right No racial angles so no one gave a shit The media didn't care The reverend didn't care Nobody cared this poor kid just rotting away And now you're understanding how people can get to the point where they don't care about Kyle

2:24:18 Because it's like, nobody cared about him. Khalif! So why should we care about Kyle? You know what I mean he sitting there for three years waiting on trial Why can't he sit- I'm just providing perspective For how people can be so hardened with their viewpoint Of how this didn't turn out the way they wanted it to turn out People also have very poor historical recollection Yes you know people really don't remember stuff past two weeks ago and that's not crazy to understand because of the amount of information we're processing as human beings. It's too much, it's too much." We are taking on way more information than our brains are meant to take on if you think about man and nature but that is a whole other story for another day. But let us get into the second part of Khalif's story. In May 2010 he was 16 year old 10th grader walking home on Arthur Avenue in The Bronx after a party

2:25:14 The guy comes out of nowhere and says I robbed him. And the next thing you know, they point a cuffs at me. I don't even know what to do! And then I-and then I'd do three years... over three years for something that I didn't even do! Browder's family couldn't make the $10,000 bail on the robbery charges and he had a legal aid attorney. Browder is now represented by his son. Oh, I gotta stop? Okay. So this is what I'm hearing now Now it starts to make sense so if we don't have a racial angle Then we don't give a shit about the case the mainly Democrats who are behind all of this racial politicization, they feel so guilty about these cases that they say well we've got to do something for them too. You know we're fixing everything but with using the race angle but you know if there's no racial angle so we'll just make sure that everyone gets out of jail and you can get amnesty and never have to go to jail steal up to $950 worth of stuff

2:26:17 Is that a possibility? That's why I was talking about the equity. They want the outcomes. The equal outcomes, not the equal opportunity or equal justice. We want people to be set free. White guys go free all the time we want black guys to go free all this time that kind of thing I got you but what they don't do is they don't understand these people are just gonna go back to their communities and victimize the people again and again and again and again You're only gonna make your neighborhoods worse I'm going to restart the clip. Here. In May of 2010, he was a 16-year old 10th grader walking home on Arthur Avenue in the Bronx after a party. The guy comes out and says I robbed him and the next thing you know they point the cuffs at me. And then I do three years over three years for something that I didn't even do. Browder's family couldn't make the $10,000 bail on the robbery charges and he had a legal aid attorney. Browder is now represented by his civil rights law firm which what was bad about this case?

2:27:20 Pretty much everything. One witness identification from a stranger, no evidence, no property recovered. Months turned into years he tried to commit suicide several times It was just all balling in my head to the point where I just like, I had to grab my head. Like I can't take it He missed his sister's wedding the birth of his nephew and so many family events In January Browder says he was offered a plea deal after 33 months in jail. He refused The judge she was trying to give me time serving I wasn't taking it and she told me if I lose trial I could get 15 years Just take the time serve you go home today If you say did I didn't do it? I'm not saying that

2:28:03 He went back to jail. In June, he was suddenly freed with no explanation No apology, no nothing They just said oh case dismissed Don't worry about nothing like don't what do you mean? I'm worried about now Yeah Just took over three years of my life! He's now trying to make up for those three high school years he lost taking courses to get his GED I didn't get the go to prom Graduation Nothing Those are the main is i'm never gonna get those years back Never Never. It'd be interesting to have a follow-up, see what happened with him He killed himself he was facing another charge and he killed hisself when we went back to jail So that's why I'm saying now you are not that's why I said seek first understanding to be understood Now where people say that slowly say that slowly Seek first to understand then to be understood Got it

2:29:00 You have to understand the perspective of people saying, get some bullcrap that Cal got off because they hear stories like this and hear how the justice system jerking them around. And it's not that they... you get so beat down in your mindset that you don't want better, you just want worse for other people. How is it that you see these things so clearly when it's so obvious how traumatized most African-Americans, so called black people are Because I just go off the facts. No, that's your problem...I'm just wondering what did you not eat or what did you eat as a kid? What was it because you're truly exceptional! It's very...that's so fucking astute how you bring this to light

2:29:56 You don't have to answer that. That's not me asking questions. I mean, because I want to help other people understand it Don't get caught up in the mass formation like for a turnipy coin mass formation That explains the condition yeah and it's on all sides It's on everyone's in a form of its somewhere Correct, and then we just manipulate the ones in C-Rolls in a binary world to get them to act the way we want. And then once you're dissatisfied for the justice system for everybody introduce this is a throwback clip from 59 but this is the solution right here algorithms one particularly popular and now widespread algorithm is used at the point of arrest To make bail decisions and conceptually it's a pretty simple idea A defendant who has been charged with a crime

2:30:50 information is extracted from them and it's fed into a computer algorithm. And that computer algorithm outputs a risk factor, and that risk factor is meant to quantify the likelihood that person will commit a crime in the future Think of this really simple version of the minority report without the creepy people in the pools. And if you are assessed to be high risk, well then the judge may deny bail and you will be held in prison awaiting trial. If you are assessed to be low risk Then you may be released pending trial. Now, in 2016 investigative journalists from ProPublica published a troubling report on one particularly popular and widespread predictive algorithm that is used in the courts around this country and what they found was that this particular algorithm was significantly disadvantageous to black defendants

2:31:46 What they found is that if you were a black defendant, you are nearly twice as likely to be predicted as re-offending when you did not. That happened 44% of the time if you were black and only 23% percent of the time if you are white that is a staggering difference, and at the same time you were almost twice as likely to be predicted as not offending when in fact you did if you are white compared to black that happened 47% percent of the time versus 28% percent of times so another words the algorithm is biased against black defendants Hey, you ready for it? You ready for it? Revelation. Here we go! With the algorithms they may already be able to but certainly will be able to literally dial up or dial down violence whenever they want it whenever they need it. Which we saw... I mean if you think about this what we saw in Kenosha and uh..in a manual way

2:32:50 Well, we need more criminals on the street. Let them go! Let them free!" Right but I mean they can predict exactly who they need? They can predict where they need him what they will do and then dude We just start a telegram group or whatsapp group or whatever hey this is the official uh... The official group of the protest they send people individual messages, they can totally dial this up or down. And it's the easiest way to control the situation and I think that we're manifesting and we're still not done with the Aubrey trial which is a whole other problematic...and i said problematic! I want to kill myself now uh It's going to be a problem that one. I'm just interested in seeing how its gonna go um The case pretty much

2:33:42 I don't comment on the case to that this over because you never know what it could be presented But but yeah, so now here's a case Now this is the Texas shooting school shooting That happened recently Breaking developments that school shooting authorities racing to the scene in Arlington, Texas outside Dallas. This time at Timberview High School the gunfire ringing out early this morning one of the victims shot a young English teacher he is 25 years old tonight He's in the hospital a 15 year old in the hospital too who had been in critical condition now recovering in the ICU Word of an active shooter reaching police just after nine this morning, armed officers running inside. The suspect quickly identified as an 18-year old student at the school fleeing in a car triggering a massive hunt and a warning that he was armed and dangerous Students and teachers barricading themselves with doors to chairs and desks behind those doors huddling there in the dark outside a massive law enforcement response securing the school getting injured medical help

2:34:45 Law enforcement rushing to his home nearby. They did not find him there Tonight after searching for hours the gunman turning himself in and what we've now learned ABC's Marcus Moore leading us off here from Texas tonight Tonight a shooting at this Arlington, TX high school leaving four people hurt. This is not a random act of violence. This is not somebody attacking our schools. Officials saying it all started around 9 15 this morning authorities now reviewing videos posted to social media appearing to show up fight. We believe right now preliminary that I was a student that got into a fight and drew a weapon.

2:35:25 Yes, yes I did so it was a weird thing going on where they didn't want to call him a school shooter and you know that kind of thing but the reason why I'm bringing this up is it connects to the Kyle Rittenhouse case because I want to highlight some what about isms on both sides. So the way i did it last, on the last set of clips was well look at Khalif and look at Kyle what about Khalif? What about what happened to Khalif now in this case if it was a white kid who had done this right or it's hold on Kyle said in jail for four months or how many ever months he said in jail three months excuse me three months and

2:36:17 Now this kid gets out the next day after doing a school shooting. This is that what you're talking about, they are playing with these algorithms and news stories to keep people in a constant state of just outrage. That's a great word it's constant outrage and whataboutisms? And the reason why I'm bringing this up was when Kyle got out of jail You saw him celebrating with his friends whatnot and this picture and they have almost identical picture of this So right, you're so right. Yeah celebrate having a party as it gets out of jail And it's just the spider-man meme of important at each other and they do this to play this Play it off each other so we can get into the number 29 now

2:37:07 Timothy George Simpkins has been released after posting bond. The 18-year old is accused of shooting three people at Timberview High School in Arlington yesterday, two students and a teacher were all taken to the hospital one of those victims that 15 year old student remains in the ICU police say all three victims are expected to recover Simpkins's facing three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon Police say he pulled out a gun after a fight with another student. The school was put on lockdown while police searched for him He eventually showed up at a local police station with a lawyer to turn himself in Investigators say the gun they believe he used was found two miles from the school along a street and Grand Prairie classes are Canceled at Timberview today and counseling has been made available to students and staff Wow

2:37:54 Yeah, yeah. No I heard about it because it's a Texas story but I right away knew like okay you can tell in the reporting there is no description of the shooter so okay we know exactly what's going on right away and the charges either I would have thought that they would be attempted murder I mean that would think that will be the charge they were trying to give him but its assault with a deadly weapon which is like thats weird But this, like I said, only highlight those to show the what about isms and this is what divides people and keeps people on the two sides. And this is purposely done by the media. This is all... Go back! This only lends to your whole point of just being a psy-op. Yep So with that said let's go ahead and thank some more people for making this happen. I like brand new money. I don't want any money around me

2:47:26 Yeah, but why did you step on it a little bit? I'll back it up. Alright everybody good evening we begin the readout tonight with two cases which will once again tell us where we are as a country whether armed primarily white men can continue to take matters into their own hands and serve as judge jury and executioner legally under the law yeah there's a trial of teenage vigilante Kyle Rittenhouse where jurors just moments ago broke for the day. And the trial of father and son Greg and Travis McMichael, and their neighbor William Roddy Bryan They stand accused of murdering 25 year old Ahmaud Arbery in what many have called a modern-day lynching The three men claim that this was just a citizen's arrest gone wrong Rittenhouse has pleaded not guilty claiming self defense

2:48:12 The prosecution argued that Rittenhouse was a chaos tourist who lied about what happened that night and provoked the initial interaction with Rosenbaum, which set in motion the chain of events that night in August of last year. Since then, Rittenhouse has become a right-wing hero. Mark and Patricia McCloskey—remember them? The St. Louis couple pardoned by Donald Trump when he was president for aiming guns at Black Lives Matter protesters? Well they've showed up the past two days to support Rittenhouse They claimed that the teenager, who mind you shot and killed two people is the real victim. The victim of cancel culture And another weird twist Rittenhouse actually participated in choosing the final 12 men and women who will decide his fate by pulling numbers from a tumbler like a macabre game show The six he randomly chose become alternates Well here- You wanna know what I heard? Go ahead go ahead So this was almost like it's almost like a one-two punch setup

2:49:09 We get the poster boy for it looks like as you pointed out total vigilante, totally believable. He's you know he hangs out with the junior proud boys I mean you can totally see it homegrown violent extremist that kind of January 6th type person arms white man and then the Aubrey case which from what I've read, I have seen almost zero coverage of it. From what i've read sounds like those guys should they murdered this guy unlawfully and so that's very powerful to have those two cases one after another regardless even well it's kind of like well okay that one didn't work now this one you know this is so clear

2:49:58 that even Republicans can see it and you know, that will be a very powerful trigger depending on the outcome of that trial. And what they really wanted was coming out of November The elections... Virginia took over a lot of political real estate You would have had school year going in CRT firmly implanted You would have had The vaccines, the kids getting jabbed. I mean that the Democratic side was supposed to be on a roll right now you get Kyle then you get the Aubrey guy murderers or people just being accused of murdering them You get these all these supposed to be slam dunks but everything's unraveled for them and i think they're like dang it like

2:50:53 We took an L in Virginia which was big. We took a L with this Kyle Rittenhauer case, we took a L with critical race theory... That's very interesting you're saying here that these trials were scheduled? The timing was yeah, I like that. Oh, oh Yeah Well now that just makes it a bigger bigger thing than I thought yeah okay? That's very good Right so i mean you got likes to the esoteric thing on this blood room moon that comes around every like think five or six hundred years You gotta throw the witches in you got all going but

2:51:31 But I think that's the point of what they wanted but the whole goal is the guns The whole if you listen to that beginning that clip again, oh, yeah. Yeah. It's white men with guns armed Oops hold on a second 31, yeah. Primarily white men

2:52:16 We're coming for all the guns. And that's the fool's errand or the foolish logic, that you think you're gonna be able to keep your guns and they only gonna take white people guns? I don't think so! They are coming for everybody's guns. Well this is part of the crossing state lines that they keep talking about That's dropped in there specifically to talk about illegal thing that has to change we need a federal law for guns passing across state lines. Yeah, because you can do that that's one power the United States President has and the federal government in general can make laws about interstate travel and it could be an interesting way of doing it It's kind of an OSHA way of mandating the shot but okay we'll see how it goes And I'm glad you brought up OSHA because to be honest with you The only thing keeping the needle out our arms is guns

2:53:13 Let's just keep it 100. I mean we would be Australia if it were for guns right now on a lot of issues Yeah, I'm glad to say you to agree here They have to get rid of the guns and they're trying to do it any way possible And not keep stressing the MSN NBC The M s stands for Microsoft who's over Microsoft dr.. Bill. They want these guns oh And anytime you start taking away, trying to take away my second amendment right. No I can't get on board with that no no because that's the only thing protects your first amendment right see that's but this is where they want you at to say look white people are the only people who have second amendment rights or first amendment rights if we take it from them then you will be equal equity

2:54:01 I don't want it that way. No, no me neither Moe once again we're so similar That aint the way i want this to go down! I want all the privileges granted to me by my rights Don't take my rights away and their rights away to make us equal NO And thats why can't get on board with this MSNBC did this piece a while ago and I've been, this is like right around 2019-2020 on black militia groups. Oh! I saw some of this yeah

2:54:38 Mm-hmm. Did you get it? Like I said, they start with us. Yeah, this was the this was the all scary black people with guns Before they did this scary white people with good 32 Now to the concerns of another community that too often feels unprotected and the group that's stepping up to do something about it. They're known as the NFAC, an Unarmed All Black Militia. You might have seen...an armed black militia that you might have seen at protests in Georgia, Kentucky and D.C.. Joining us now from Atlanta with more on this, NBC News correspondent Morgan Radford. Morgan tell us about this group. Mika good morning the bottom line is this group says that the US government as well as law enforcement simply does not do enough to protect black Americans in this country which is why they say they're taking matters into their own hands and interestingly Mika this is a group that is growing they say they now boast recruits in nearly every single state so we decided to go

2:55:40 and in bed with them, and see exactly what they're doing and why. Take a listen. This is the NFAC. An all-black militia with a mission to defend the black community by any means necessary. So this is training for one of the new factors? Yes. Appearing by the hundreds at protests from Stone Mountain, Georgia to Louisville Kentucky demanding justice for police killings and countering what they believe is the threat of right wing militias Yeah I remember this

2:56:18 Yeah, so there the MSNBC is embedded their word. Yeah you only do that with friendly soldiers Well I think they appear to be friendly well i think it's more to this story so um This is when you had like the scary black people popping up with guns and they had poor trigger control. What it's called when you don't have your finger in the trigger? What is that called? Dumb, dumb. What's it called though what's that word trigger my brother... You finger your trigger Yeah was it called something control triggers or something but anyway I mean I'm not gonna be able to be labored a point but

2:57:01 It was just, I think people got shot and it was errantly. And it's just...it was...It just stunk to me! I'm like where does this come out of the blue? And I'll get more into on the other side of this clip but it just stunk to high hell to me It's a movement started in 2017 by this man, former musician and army veteran John Grandmaster J. Johnson Is the movement growing? By leaps and bounds We met with him outside of Cincinnati where he says another new chapter is now in the works The NFAC stands for the Not F-ing Around Coalition What's behind the name? The NFAC was born

2:57:43 out of the last four years under the Trump administration. The deterioration of racial relations in this country, it means that you're preparing yourself to defend yourselves." While the group's style echoes the Black Panther Party of the 1960s their goals are distinct focusing on defense with the ultimate goal a black ethnostate. What makes us so different is that our goal is our own government our own country, a place where we can determine our own future. Is violence an option to reach your goals? The United States was built on violence being an option. Violence should be the last option that we talked about this group there though they uh they tried to buy some land and build like a new independent nation with the land back no that was also NFAC

2:58:38 Did they try to buy land? I know the land bank guys. Yeah, in Texas they were gonna try and buy something Okay But this guy Jam Master Jay or whatever his name is Grandmaster Jay Could be the same guy you don't know It's so comical because You can tell on YouTube YouTube's algorithm is a great detection mechanism for who they're trying to push to you. Okay, cuz you see just people pop up in your suggestion feed I saw this with 69 the rapper I mean Takashi69 they just bombarded you. I'm like, oh no this guy don't even listen to his music Why was he showing up in my feed now? This guy which is all over my feed

2:59:23 From you're saying from the things that I watch and i'm like who is this guy? And like he's talking all reckless and it's just like, I mean you just have certain vibes on people It's like usually to knock people into a burning house. Do you understand to take a quote from um martin Luther king Like you don't have any strategy and then they say oh This is cropping up from the last four years if you said the last 400 years I might have right It would have went over smoother. You see the last four years that sounds political to me while all of a sudden the last four years... Yeah, good point Trayvon Martin was 4 years longer than 4 years ago The Baltimore Riots were longer than 4 years ago you know the ummm shootings in Baton Rouge and Dallas was longer than 4 years ago So don't play these games with me but I'll let you get on to the final clip it's just this guy didn't sit well with me when i heard

3:00:20 Extremism experts say the group is distinct from far-right militias. They have not risen to the level of concern of, say, the three percenters, the Oath Keepers. They've not engaged in violence. In fact, in most of their demonstrations they have, in fact, coordinated activities with police When you talk about January 6th and we saw those rioters stormed the Capitol what do you say to critics who say you're no different from them? They're extremists, you're extremists Show me where we have done those things. They've killed people, they disrespected the government to the point where they have invaded its sacred halls show me where we've done those things. Stop stop! They disrespected

3:01:05 The government? Ain't this the same government you're trying to overthrow. I'm confused, I'm confusing here. You gotta listen to what people say and how they say it. Well I'm also looking at some of the pictures remember they were at the Stone Mountain and they weren't gonna let Trump do his speech there There's a whole bunch of crap with these guys. Right, and I'm not saying him he represents this is kind of like Black Lives Matter, black lives matter Yes sure kinda thing where you have people that really are into guns and protection and you know for second amendment they you know dad may share the same thoughts on protecting ourselves but then they get sucked up into these...Ima call it what it is a honeypot

3:01:54 This guy was saying and it was a lot of agent claims around him in certain circles. Yeah, I can see why Right so is but for who is the question? So It's just I saw what was going on here Let's get a bunch of scary black people together and with guns And go make confrontation at Stone Mountain, which they have the right to. The same way Kyle had the right to form a militia and protect their property and protest if it's legal it's legal but it's the way he did it It had me...it was like

3:02:33 It was setting them up to fail and you can hear more of that in the clip. We have done those things, they've killed people They disrespected the government to the point where they have invaded its sacred halls Show me where we've done those things because we haven't done none of it What are yall training for? We're training for self-defense A response to show they wont be scared or unprotected any longer Mika, we asked the group several times to give us an exact number of their membership. They refused to do so but it appears to be in the thousands based on the number people who have come to their marches and also based on a number people saw at one individual training session but its also important note Mika that NFAC has no record violent incidents however there leader Grand Master Jay has been recently indicted on federal charges

3:03:26 by federal officials who alleged that he pointed a rifle at officers during that demonstration and supported Breonna Taylor in Louisville, Kentucky last September. That case is ongoing. He has pleaded not guilty and we are waiting to find out the results of that case Mika. That gave me the same vibes as the Proud Boy leader being extracted right before January 6th. It's like who are these people? This reminds me of I did a documentary in 90 or 91 and part of it was in Florida near Miami and we were going to interview this group, as it turns out you know this is the kind of group that you see on television well so this group of Cubans Cuban exiles who ever since

3:04:15 the revolution and you know they came over to the United States, they've been making sure they've been practicing every weekend. They go out deep into the swamps and they get together and shoot and do military drills etc., so we came in as a documentary crew kind of It was like a rock and roll type documentary, just doing cool stuff. Let's go check out these Cuban guys who are shooting shit up. It is almost like Civil War reenactment only what they're doing is staying prepared for 40 years! They're staying prepared for the revolution when they need to take back their country. And you would see these guys whenever there was something going on with Cuba, they show these guys

3:05:00 You know, it's a version of that. And it would be the same guys and you know they're shooting weird left and right is totally uncoordinated not like these guys NFAC would you know they had it down also younger but it's the same mechanism and it's perfect for really it's a news it's a television news mechanism it's really good its effective Right and they wanted to use them to play off of the white militias especially going down a stone mountain things like that. Exactly, and you keep these guys funded for years and years making sure they get some guns or whatever they need you know hook him up a little bit they keep him going And the funny thing was and this goes go to show you that the actual value of guns when you got

3:05:44 armed black men and armed white man together nobody got shot yeah I know surprisingly like in Michigan remember they were all outside the state, the capital Right, that's equality. Yeah it was black guys white guys all strung out they were all you know military garb all looking the same yeah right but that's what I'm saying that's a quality right there i got guns you got guns you're saying uh let's have a chat yeah we can see how it goes and but you know what? We have stuff we have to take care of when we walk away from here so cooler heads prevail

3:06:22 So that's what they don't want to happen. But I've seen this before and we covered this in the show, and we need just go through these clips right quick but this is a throwback to what I think was happening with the whole white militias. We saw this before with The Black Panthers In early 1967, the Black Panthers organized armed patrols through the poorest neighborhoods of Oakland California. An act that some call the beginning of the modern gun rights movement. We would get out of the cars and we would walk up to the scene Those who had rifles would carry them in the open and clearly visible

3:07:04 We would stand at a distance where the police couldn't say they were interfering with their arrest or their detention of the individual and make sure that there's no brutality. The police were confronted by citizens who are not just voicing their opinions, but we're armed. Mo can I close the door for a second? Sure How long in the future do you plan these shows I mean this is that's 20 shows ago and so just tell me are you like 10 episodes ahead 15 It doesn't work quite like that, but I can see Open folders and throw stuff in them. Like yeah, that's gonna come back around

3:07:59 That kind of thing, so yeah. I like how you roll all right thank you. Appreciate that. Sorry everybody we're back yes So i can see how this thing sets up is that We want the guns and my issue with that Is You taking My gun leave me completely unprotected and This is How GBG created itself This is the only way I can protect you say, you say not you but they say that. I'm the most vulnerable most in need of protection so give me a gun and allow me to protect myself." And they're using these guys and this whole concept to take him away yes it's beautiful

3:08:45 And they just keep the cycle going and going and going. We don't have to get into the second clip, I just wanted to illustrate that we've seen this before you heard him say that was the beginning of modern gun control Black guys show up with guns at the state house, oh we gotta do something about it White guys show up in the capital with guns, oh we gotta do something about it and they're going to take our guns with them. And it's like, no you can't have my gun because at the end of the day that's the only way I could protect myself and i'ma be honest with you and this may be a hot take right here but I want more cow rent houses in the black community and what I mean by that is black young men that would go too... In the face of violence and say no more That would say you know what? It was 40 shootings in Chicago today uh this weekend No more

3:09:36 We're gonna patrol our own neighborhoods with weapons. What's that group of dads? I saw a group of dads recently Thank you. Uh, what was I could forget their name but they were down in Louisiana? Yeah, and they showed up and said no more That's exactly young man. Just think the young men say that no You're not know we're gonna have guns We're gonna be and now want them to be trained I want to put guns inside a young black man as early as possible guess because guess what it's happening with this and on the other side Like Kyle Rittenhouse, you can say what you want to about him but he got busy with that stick. For real for real! You can say what you want to about him but he got busy with it and don't we respect the shooters? I just gotta say it. I mean like in rap songs and all that we respect the shooter and pull up with his stick and all that. Kyle was about what he said he was about

3:10:31 And he pulled up, but what I'm saying...I'm not saying in a negative way for young black men. But to take control and that's how you don't need the police. You see what i'm saying? Now the police doesn't even need to be called. We've been talking for going on two years. and you really started it for me but you know now J Locke at 100 he's out there saying black men young black man gotta stand up. There is more and more and more saying this out loud, I'm hearing it! I hear you Moe! No have you seen me? Do you see me? No I've never seen you that's not a fair question

3:11:10 I'm just saying but that's what scary about them because then you don't need a police state and then you get the man reinstated in the house and then that disrupts their power structure which is based, the basis of white supremacy. And your so right! Which is one world government. Yeah yeah well it's the its I'm calling it the GP3 What's that? I know it's a new one working on it It's the Global Private Public Partnership So it's really, it's going to be policy set by governments and the money is all run by commercial companies. And we'll all be 100% controlled so that's really the ultimate goal but Australia... It's interesting you brought that up because Australia

3:11:54 But then I done, and again Mr. Documentary in the 90s... I did Australia and it's very interesting things i really loved it and this was before they everyone I mean and I know that oversimplification of what happened with guns in Australia but let's just say people gave up their guns voluntarily and it was such a cool place. It was a mix of you could feel like Americanism is there, but also British clear obviously so some of the traditions of the British which I like and then something called Gezelligheid, the cozy kind of Dutch vibe. It had all these elements and you'll see British people American people and Dutch people living there too they everyone can feel that changed and their event was a mass shooting it was horrible and yeah of course we saw the same happen with New Zealand just a few years ago

3:12:55 And now you see what happens when you give it up. I heard you make this point, i don't remember what show it was on but i heard you make this point of Australians and i don't want to castigate Australians in this way but they started off as a penal colony. Yeah Dvorak said this actually okay yeah and i think he was very astute and there's a parallel there with with the black community If you don't start off as a full citizen, if your genesis is less than the full citizen. Yeah You give up your rights a lot easier and this is what was thorn with you know

3:13:34 how white men carry things. It's like these are my rights, you know what I'm saying? And they stand on it because in America white men like these...I've always had all of my rights Australia didn't always have their rights there were a penal colony which you're saying that they were prisoners and then got free. And I think sadly the black American experience which you know the history your family this has been passed on but that has been hijacked into a shitty-ass narrative which only makes it about one thing and one thing only. Not about how you became citizens, how you got your God given right It's much more about look at the white man fucking with ya still

3:14:16 That's why they won't let us know about, that's why I made a purpose to let them know about the heroes of the Vietnam War. And we're gonna talk more about the heroes in World War II black heroes They don't want you to know about black men who got busy with guns except unless they are doing something to kill another black man That is only people that are comfortable with having guns You know why? Because Black Men that killed other Black Men with Gun are nothing but agents of white supremacy. You want to call people that are productive, agents of white supremacy or white supremacists or whatever? Black- White supremacy and black skin? No! It's the rappers

3:14:53 It's the ones that go out here and will willingly kill another black man. Now what I want to do is counterbalance that, is say you know we can have our own police We can have our own communities. We don't need to call the cops You know what when something going on? We'll come over there and inspect hey What's going on over here oh yeah okay alright just making sure you're saying keep it moving And this is not a foreign idea because they was a show called rock with Charles S. Dutton and it was a whole push on television about black people doing citizen patrols and you know patrolling their own neighborhoods, watching those things now then it went to stop snitching you know what I'm saying like that was put that was on 60 minutes stop snitching that was not a coincidence that was the rollout of just accept

3:15:37 Did know that the deterioration of your neighborhood so I digress bodies want to let that known that if you never had your full rights, but the thing was is People my age me and my age we didn't grow up with Jim Crow and drinking out of water fountains those kind things so we kinda think we have our rights So you're always no I want my rights. You know My granddad and my dad stood up for this kinda stuff, you know saying went through this bullcrap I want them all oh well I'm not gonna sell it for any right And that is the original you guys first because uh... My rights are getting taken away too

3:16:17 Right. I don't want discounted rights, I'd rather have something else than discounted rights. And by the way if your rights are not right then my rights aren't right That's how I see it. Now you see why I said Lady Justice had a serious upskirt because now people are realizing that like oh now you see Like when we used to go on court like man if the system was ready to get this, he'd be like nah the system is fine What is wrong with the system? It's justice! Nahh now you seeing they tried to get Kyle. And its interesting what you don't really hear alot of even on Fox News Justice has been served. No, that's not... I'm... They're not saying that!

3:17:01 They're saying something totally counter to that, that the justice system is completely corrupt. And I'm like hey whatever it takes for it to be identified so be it you know and that's why don't get upset about them send outcome of this trial some people want you to virtual signal in be all irate over it now I'm not doing that because you know what at end today my right to defend myself still there we have presence for what self-defense is Great, it works for me. But I want to get into these last few clips just to put on people like man You're reaching with the gun control thing well yeah no no No, I know that it's about that time we're nearing the end of this show. I'm pretty sure that's not what you supposed to be thinking

3:17:45 Alright, so now this is a MSNBC clip and I keep highlighting on MSNBC because they have been the loudest voice in this whole situation. This is gun rights supporters celebrate Rittenhouse verdict one Rev you go first your react to Madison Cosorn a member of Congress, what he said in the clip we just showed. I think it's frightening when i heard the jury's decision and then the reaction to it. I think what people are forgetting if you start with the wrong premise you come to the wrong conclusion The reason Kyle Rittenhouse went to Kenosha

3:18:23 was because there was protest against a young black man shot in the back seven times by police and there was reaction to it some violence, some...and mostly peace. That's why he came whether they are 15 He came to confront protesters. He claimed saying he wanted to protect property that was not his. He was not a member of that community. That is why he came So what this verdict does is make people like me that lead protests, that lead marches very concerned now. Are people now going to come into our protest and kill people or hurt people and claim self-defense? And it has now been anointed by people like Carthon and others that are saying he oughta be a congressional intern—he's a hero when he in fact

3:19:13 aggressively came after a situation that he was opposed to which was the protest around the shooting by police of Jacob Blake Jr. I just played that so you can hear the whole narrative laid out in one concise, uh, one nugget is that he went down about seven shots then he went into kind of like he was the aggressor in this situation Protecting your property does not make you an aggressor. Protecting other people's property does not make you an aggressor We need to have the same mentality, we need to know what our rights are and exercise them This has been such a incredible setup by the... well certainly executed by the Democratic Party

3:20:06 You know, let's forget about who is really running the whole thing but... Right. Wow! I didn't see this. I didn't see it zoomed out that far and they had this all planned and now it's not working None of its working so they got to blame Joe They gotta get rid of him Kamala is no good Mayor Pete has gotta pop in Oh my God The reason why it's not working when I look at my account and my money is less than what it was. I can't get with that, and then you want to take the one thing that protects for certain that protects myself away from me? That doesn't work for me." So now you're just pushing at it, pushing the wrong way so you saw Al, Reverend Al set it up

3:20:56 So this next guy is going to come home and slam it on through with what the solution is for Al being scared at protests. Okay, Attorney Henderson when he says follow the law this is where probably the one time I might agree with Congressman Jordan When you read the Wisconsin law It makes it really difficult to not find or difficult to find Rittenhouse guilty Isn't the problem the laws? the way they're written that make us vulnerable. And when I say us, the American people but certainly black people. Okay so Jonathan here's a problem when we start talking about the laws it relates to the Rittenhouse case It's not simply the law on the books it's the law that was provided to the jury for them to use in deliberation The law that they had to use during deliberation was actually more forgiving than you would think with regard to reaching the right results in this case

3:21:48 But here's the problem, and it is a structural problem based on the way the case was tried. The prosecutors assumed they could prove that Rittenhouse conduct was reckless and they assumed that this law of self-defense was never going to come up because he is breaking curfew and wrongfully carrying assault rifle And if those two things are true then he doesn't get the instruction on self defense so you don't have to worry about it You have people who do not understand the law of self defense or actually how it should've been applied in this scenario Had it been properly applied I think we could lead to different result And go ahead, Rep. But I also think that we need to have federal law on self-defense. We are up on two or three months from now the 10th anniversary of Trayvon Martin. We still have not legislated on a federal level about stand your ground which is now in many more states. Oh wow! and that's the problem why these people ineffective? Why don't we have anything concrete on standing your ground

3:22:46 It's been two black men killed in Florida behind Stand Your Ground and we haven't fixed this problem, which I don't really have an issue with stand the ground as long as you judge it the same way for all parties. Of course. That's my thing. You know what I'm saying? Stay on your ground because you just never know when you had to grip up, you understand, and do something so that's why... And I think we talked about it but anyone who owns a firearm needs to get firearm insurance insurance which usually includes attorney and everything because it doesn't matter what happens there's gonna be a lawsuit. Because that's where like we said in the beginning, hey man I was breaking into your house you shot me I'm gonna sue you but that's a tax see that's attacks on owning guns and I don't agree with that sound advice okay premise behind it I think is just another attack so now it's well

3:23:41 Well, I'm already poor. I can't own a gun now? No no the solution is to shoot the lawyers! That's the solution. I'm just kidding lawyers, I'm just kidding. The lawyers are actually gonna get us out of this you watch there's enough of them too So all im saying is this... You want to add another insurance which is another tax, which is a luxury for some people. Yeah I'm with you it's racist. But then that makes it... No it's uh... Kidding! No what I said because it hits across all color lines to say well because that's what they want

3:24:16 To where, well you gotta have certain insurance to own a gun. You know there won't be a straight out banning of guns it would just be so expensive to own one. Of course! Just like in New York you can own a gun I mean if you know the right people and you can get the right paperwork signed So we see that Yeah what i was talking about more is like NRA these types of groups exist specifically for gun owners and you know it won't break I agree. It's a tax, I totally agree Mm-hmm. I'm just saying to people please don't forget that step That's just the reality of where we're getting in there being real here That's the reality of what where we live right now Yes is sound practical advice And not only agree but what I'm saying is the premise behind it that you have to Have so much protection for your protection. Oh

3:25:05 It'll just wear people down to the point where like, you know what? It's not even worth it. Not even worth holding a gun. You know that kind of thing. GBGSTL Give blacks guns shoot the lawyers I'm telling you it's solutional and and and you need a bitcoin So they brought Reverend Alphon for this segment and I'm gonna show you how disgusting this is. And this is the last clip He didn't do good enough job a good enough job selling it so they actually called him back and made him Do it again, a do-over nice I have a few more words on the Rittenhouse trial that... Wait, was this the same day? The same show? Yes! So he was already on his way out. He's in the green room and then- Well it wasn't the same show but you know what i'm saying they called him back like You need to double down on that And thats why he said I have more to say That's what he is saying yeah Oh oh I know exactly how that went It's like Al better get your ass back in there

3:26:05 I have a few more words on the Rittenhouse trial that ended and the Arbery case that is in its final stages. In just a few months, we're going to be facing the 10 year anniversary since the killing of Trayvon Martin. God. And the Stand Your Ground laws became a national issue. Dis-anchor case. We never really dealt with it. We never really legislated on it on a federal level And now we need to, as a movement, as a country make the Congress and the Senate deal with new gun laws. We just had ministers do a big rally and prayer vigil in Brunswick Georgia around the case of Ahmaud Arbery Now I'm going back to join the family there this weekend. I would be concerned

3:26:55 of having a prayer vigil. Would somebody come there saying, I'm coming to defend something? And if they can get in an altercation with somebody on the side, a verbal altercation and could take out a gun And they all 15 at that and shoot somebody? We're under real threat. So we are, in my opinion, we are mandated to try to make laws. We did not do that with Stand Your Ground. We must make very clear laws to protect all. Ooh! There it is everybody

3:27:35 So we're both right. It's a psyop and the purpose for the psyop is to take our guns away from us Very unique what you've done You know my actual skill is deconstructing news almost as it happens, the next day or within days The gun legislation was obvious at the surface with things like across state lines the way you did this today, but also weaving in the two-tier justice system of money no money. Outstanding! Five star review

3:28:12 on Yelp. And you graduate, you're now detective of Law and Order special victims unit. Well I had to lean on my law order degree from SVU but it carried me through the show and the thing was i don't want people to be triggered i don't want people to be you know saying um dooming and glooming out if If you have guns and you have access to make money, then you can enjoy America for what it's meant to be. And that's the real control mechanisms of how they really try to destabilize us. Like I said we... They start with us! I have to stress that point to people. They only start with us It is always going to roll downhill so we have to point these things out

3:29:05 inform the 40% and pray for the 30 percent that don't get it. Mo, thank you very much for this outstanding episode everybody please remember to support us go to mofax.com or mofundme.com and I look forward to The Lost Tapes Mo And it's definitely gonna be some great stuff there But as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. We'll see you next time right here I'm mo faxes Adam curry CMO. All right I remember when I used to play shoot em up, bang bang baby I remember when I chased the girls and beat them up Well I was young and didn't understand

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3:31:02 Now it's me that you're kissing And reminiscing Now our lives are not the same Oh, yes indeed And oh, yes indeed Now it's me that you're kissing Me to find reminiscence is