51: Civil Wrongs

00:00 BALLIN' Mo Facts with Adam Curry for October 12th, 2020. This is episode number 51 and sounding worse than he feels ladies and gentlemen Mo Facts on the microphone. How you doing Mo? I'm doing pretty good Adam. How about yourself? Yeah, I'm doing okay now you sound a little bit A little bit weakish under the weather what's going on for my fantasy football fans out there I was a questionable but uh game time decision we're gonna play so Let's do this Wait a big sports reference I didn't get even a fantasy sports reference But yes okay So we're doing good good to have you back with me man

00:59 And what is it? Yeah, I just had a... We had some stuff going on Saturday. So here we are on the Monday getting ready for another MOFAX with Adam Curry What have the responses been from our Big 50 episode? Man, got a lot of good responses Everybody was well 97 point 3% of people appreciated it other ones I got a few people saying that, you know about the normal atonement pushback. That's why we always speak about wanting to change the term from reparations to atonement because of the triggering effect it has. Yeah I saw a lot of interesting feedback regarding the legal case that you made which i thought was fantastic to listen to and there are a lot of people I saw going like well hold on a second now how exactly does that work?

01:57 And that's all I wanted to do was make the legal case for and more than make the case for reparation slash its home itself is to make the understanding of. The political ramifications that this demand has, and hopefully people understand this is why quote unquote black people need their own of America can need their own designation That's what that's why I took from it. Well, I think I think you definitely got a lot of people thinking and and that's always good And it was it was interesting just all we want to do yeah That's how we do the work

02:44 Alright, without further ado let's find out what the topic is for day of Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Episode number 51 round around the wheel of topics goes where it stops nobody knows well mo knows let's find out now what is the topic for episode number 51? Safe white spaces. Safe white spaces okay I'm very curious to see where you're gonna take us today Mo so Where we're going today is that in the episode last episode, we wrapped up with. The demand being integration, or that's what the media narrative was. That we want to integration were pushing for integration and I kind of want to push back against that because one We never got integration what we end up getting was assimilation and two That was not the demand of everybody And this is another narrative and this is what we do here we tear down narratives

03:45 First we look at what's the source of the narrative and then what was the actual temperature other people. At that time, so. It's gonna be a zigzag, you know weavy windy road but we'll get there at the end. So I have this piece that I found from Jeff Glore, I think that CBS and he had Calvin Baker who is a novelist which is important and they discuss his book A More Perfect Reunion

04:23 This morning we continue our promise to focus on at least one new book a week during the pandemic. Today, A More Perfect Reunion by Kelvin Baker. Baker is an acclaimed novelist but for this book he took a different approach blending history style and remarkably powerful ideas at the core of our nation. A more perfect reunion is Baker's clarion call for America. Someone said why haven't you been to this moment about race? I said, because I think race is stupid. What does that mean? Race is stupid We all know that race is an invention You write there's never been a race problem in America explain that

05:03 It's an integration problem. Beginning in 1774, the founders of this nation began meeting for the Continental Congress writing what would become the blueprint for the United States of America Most recognized slavery was at odds with democracy but the economics of the South and a need for union to defeat England led to what Calvin Baker says was the original unconscionable compromise I wonder if the founders had said they came back and they saw this like I think they'd say we made a mess. They think they would say this is not what we intended Baker's book, A More Perfect Reunion is titled so he says because the first union never actually happened Now which Baker was this? I got Jeff Glor but which Baker was this? This is Calvin Baker Oh Calvin Baker okay yeah and he's not a historian He's a novelist Which I can't... Not saying that novelists can't write a history book

06:02 But no, that's not what this is. This is another narrative-driven piece... He's a fine subject from Chicago and the Chicago University system I might add. Oh! Whoa! I got a bing right off the bat okay Yeah we know what the Chicago is all about but his book it says Blend of history, style and remarkable ideas at the core of the nations to analyze America's failure racial integration. So his point straight off is about integration and he is big on narrative as you can hear in this next clip

06:54 He's going to put it right out there. Integration has always been the real goal of civil rights in America, if you read about the founding heir, their abolitionist even who say well we've got to emancipate the enslaved people and the question is immediately how do integrate them? And that's where everyone stops. Baker argues the United States has tried to handle the question of integration in four stages The Continental Congress, we mentioned They basically punted The Civil War of the 1860s which led to emancipation but not equality The Civil Rights Act of 1964 A government program with real drive that made significant if incomplete inroads and

07:40 right now. Lincoln before the Civil War is tacitly telling the South they can keep slavery, but it's an awakening, right? It's a process and Lincoln changed his mind if Abraham Lincoln had not been assassinated how differently would have gone so I don't think we ever really talked about the integration concept and it's interesting to hear this because I've never really...if it was emancipation And I think that's where everybody dropped it. Never even thinking about integration... Well, the integration part was always the narrative push how do we integrate or assimilate these black people into American society? Now a couple things here Jeff Glory used the word tacitly he said Lincoln tacitly told us out that they could keep slavery

08:38 If you know to save the union, but if you look at the word tacitly it means in a tacit manner done in silence or implied without being directly stated. It's like wink-wink as we know here right? As we know here that's not how it works and then he asked how would it be different so what we're going to do is we need to jump down to clip number 7 and then come back to number 6 We would have gotten to where we are now at the turn of 100 years ago. Where are we now compared to where we were when the Civil Rights Act was passed? I think, the will in that moment to change was sharper more focused people understood what they had to do. They'd summoned the will to do it

09:29 You had broad alliances of people who said we're going to do this and this is what it's going to look like Now, I think we are still looking for complete language Baker's book takes big shots at the America We think we created. You write about New York City which is seen as the great melting pot you say It's not. We live adjacent to one another We're not really right so we walk down the street and like I have this kind of food in this kind of food in this kind Of person this kind of person Residentially, we live. We live in different blocks. Yeah segregated So it's a lot to unpack there first of all he couldn't even say that word segregate He had to lead him on and then he talks about this broad alliance of people deciding

10:23 What brought alliance and finally He said we would have got what we have now a hundred years earlier Oh, that's all narrative BS. Especially from what we explored about a honest Abe right even in the last show But I want to show before we go into it, because I have that throwback clip just to refresh people's minds of honest Abe and what he really thought about slavery. I wanted to jump to the end of this segment and show you how dangerous and for lack a better word infectious narrative is. This book, Michelle Notchus deals with the biggest issues but it's also beautifully written Kelvin just did he has a way with words so highly recommended

11:13 You know in listening to him it somewhat angers me a great deal to think that 100 years ago we could be Could have taken care of this stuff Lincoln was assassinated, Andrew Johnson steps in. Yeah yeah It's a lot to think about hopefully we will do the business of this work Oh, oh, let's do the business of this work. That's a whole new twist Are you doing the work? I'm doing the business of the work my friend doing the business Boom shaka laka. You see how she took his narrative Yeah And just ran with it as fat all we will be where we're at right now 100 years ago. I feel so sad

11:55 Well, we need to go back and listen Mr. Jerome Bennett Jr., and what Abraham Lincoln really thought. Title on the book is Abraham Lincoln's White Dream What does that mean? It means that contrary to what most people think, Abraham Lincolns deepest desire was to deport all black people and create an all white nation. It sounds like a wild idea now, it is a wild idea but from about 1852 until his death he worked feverishly

12:37 to try to create deportation plans, colonization plans uh... to send black people either to Africa or South America or the islands of the sea on December 1st 1862 in which he asked Congress to pass three constitutional amendments one- to buy the slaves second to declare free all people who had actually escaped, but the third one his proposed 15th amendment asked Congress to allocate money to deport black people to another place. Ship em out! So does that sound like tacitly to you? No

13:22 Wink wink, nudge nudge. Yeah! No it doesn't no but that's what that is so... That fact is just really not taught not known you could read it It's not like any secret. It's just never really discussed But even as Jerome Bennett said it's a wild idea Just to even think the things that he found in history books to be true, even though they're facts. But when you compete in with narrative as Mr Calvin Baker comes in a novelist let me remind people and as Jeff Gore said oh it's beautifully written so they can take a lie and beautifully write it and package it by a novelist or other people like Calvin Baker And then it just sounds so good Oh yeah we could have been 100 years behind the record

14:16 You know, we're 100 years behind in progress. And how does that move everything forward? By pointing that out and then saying oh boy it sucks just doesn't seem very productive to me Well what it does is explains a way while we haven't made the progress and the only people that are... That need to have short record of progress are the people that we give our vote away too I mean let's just be honest here Yeah gotcha So to have this plain away, you know it was Lincoln and you know he would eat now. He was a he would he what is I think they use the word? He it was growth You know, he grew in our he was racist when he first started out But by the time it was over, you know, he had blossomed to this social justice warrior president which Is not the case and but this is why

15:10 What we do here, we're doing the business of the work We point out these fallacies and these fantasies and fantasy is gonna be a huge part of this show I just want to let people know up front This image that we have in this on our head of this perfect nation or this perfect society it really hinders people but Before I continue on, I want to let Mr. Calvin Baker finish up with why America failed to integrate it for. To bring about full integration, Baker envisions programs on the scale of the New Deal, the GI Bill and the Federal Housing Administration

15:54 But in this book he does not offer specific policy prescriptions. He says deliberately once you get to prescription and here's what happens in books that talk about That talk about race and society we compartmentalize them, and we say okay now We're going to talk about education Now we're going to talk about the media. Now, we're going to talk about criminal justice." I wanted to write a book that looked across these spaces with questions like can we live together or not? Do we want to live together or not? I think people can have different ideas on how to get to that

16:30 Start with what worked. Start with what brought us to this point, right? I mean we are better off than we were as a nation We have come further than we'd come before But now you've got to go the rest of the way How long do you believe that takes when I started the book? Three four generations. I think if we're serious about the conversation we're having right now to Two generations, it's possible so that's our grandkids isn't a wonderful thing to leave them Well that's kind of dark It'll take two generations if is with his with the with the

17:16 The Calvin Baker method or I don't understand. Well he doesn't have a method, he didn't even get to know it He said himself no, he didn't have any solutions but what we should do is things like the New Deal, GI Bill and FHA I pray to God that we don't because i did a little digging on those Cato Institute, I think that's a pretty reputable just to be out front and i think they're like right tilting institute but they are still credible. And title why the FDR New Deal harm blacks? It says good intentions are overrated Franklin Delano Roosevelt new deal for instance has been held for his lofty goals of reforming

18:05 the American economy and helping underprivileged yet mounting evidence, evidence here not narrative. developed by dozens of economists across the country shows a New Deal prolonged joblessness for millions and black people were especially hard-hit. So I don't want none of that! This is his solution." And if if I can just interject and say that when it comes to monetary policy, you know like what FDR was considering all the way up to what the Federal Reserve or the Treasury, anytime it comes to policy and that can also be policy of going into Syria or Iraq. No one ever knows what's really going to happen but with policy like social services

18:58 I just want to say it's not necessarily malfeasance or malintended. It's just no one ever knows how its going to work out, the problem is people typically don't learn from those mistakes No, but when you have somebody like this guy Calvin come out and say oh we need to do like the new deal and he has no idea what he's talking about either. He doesn't know if that's gonna work regurgitating narrative That's my point Yeah is read and this is the heart and then you heard it that lady at the end do the same thing that she just heard Oh will be a hundred years better Says who yeah, that's what you're saying What data points to that? We would be where were

19:39 100 years earlier, if things would have played out differently. We don't know but they go and spot out in this I'll just read the title of this one how the GI Bill promise was denied to millions of black war two veterans and that's really what helped create the suburbs will get down to that later. And then just a wrap up I have clips here for Mr. Richard Rothstein, have you ever heard of him? No, I don't think so maybe no Okay, okay well he's a senior fellow Richard Rothstein who authored the book The Color of Law Oh yeah! Yeah! No I have this Of course I do, I read this book Yes of course I did The Color of Law Right right, oh sure that's what...yeah So

20:21 In this next clip, KALW1 he explains how the FHA was problematic. Public housing in this country began in the mid 20th century in a new deal during the Roosevelt administration it was the first civilian public housing ever built and it began as a project for working class families not for poor people for people who had jobs but in the depression had no housing and it was mostly for whites And the federal government built a Public Works Administration, one of the first New Deal agencies. Built the first civilian public housing in this country and everywhere in the country it created segregated projects even where communities were previously integrated

21:06 There were many integrated neighborhoods in the mid-20th century or early 20th century. We would be stunned if we were transported back to that period and saw how much integration, residential integration there was for the simple reason that working class people didn't have automobiles to get to work so they all had to live close enough to the factories where they worked. or the other workplaces. And so if you had a factory that was, had Irish immigrant workers and Italian immigrant workers and Jewish immigrant workers and African Americans they all live in roughly the same neighborhoods near the factories That neighborhood where he grew up, an integrated neighborhood was a neighborhood where the Public Works Administration demolished housing and built two separate projects. One for whites and one for African Americans creating segregation that previously hadn't existed and might not have existed if that hadn't been done.

22:02 This is facts compared to, you know narrative. This guy actually says the government sanctioned and aided and abetted and took action to segregate previously integrated communities. Now do you get the feeling he's saying... So if people wanted to live with Do you get the feeling that he is saying that was intentional or it was just unintended consequences? I think as you hear this next set of clips, I think it becomes pretty clear that it was intentional To counter what Calvin said about we will be where were at 100 years ago If nothing, y'know, we did things differently Maybe if the government wouldn't have gotten involved We would be where we're at now

22:44 a lot sooner. Sure, well but that's also at this point you know that's just narrative we don't really know but maybe as we unfold the facts will find out right I mean well when you go in and create segregated projects i mean your count you that was counterproductive yeah that's what I'm saying I'm just taking sheer facts, but yeah it is a little bit of reach there. Space Jam reach! But let's get into part two... And this pattern was created everywhere in the country Cambridge Massachusetts we think of as being a liberal area the area near MIT was also an integrated community about half black half white The Public Works Administration demolished housing in that integrated neighborhood to build two separate projects one for African-Americans and one for whites

23:29 Well, this continued for the next 20 years. And by the early 1950s we saw development everywhere in the country that there were large numbers of vacancies in the white projects and long waiting lists on the black projects. Eventually the situation became so conspicuous that all the projects were opened up to African Americans and about at the same time industry left the cities There were fewer and fewer jobs for the people who were living in these public housing projects. They became poorer and poorer, and then for the first time in this about 1950, public housing began to be a subsidized program for people who couldn't afford private housing and almost all black at that time without jobs and without hope, without opportunities being concentrated in these downtown areas.

24:22 Meanwhile, the federal government was subsidizing the movement of white families only to single-family homes in the suburbs. Suburbs! Right! Oh man, the history's coming back now... Hey! What a raw deal! And let's fully flesh out this idea, how did all the black people get to these cities in the first place? They came there to look into jobs during their great migration. Right. Then you take the jobs move them out to the suburbs where you move all the white people too. There are no jobs in inner city or what you always ask whether this term urban come from and this is it! This is the birth of urban. Urban suburban

25:10 I'm learning. So you take the jobs and the nice houses, and you move them out? And then you leave... You say okay black people can have the projects but then black people who want to projects no fathers Right yeah, then there's that part yeah Wow so As you said, black men or black people are most conspiratorial. Well it's not really me... I just thought it was you! No no, right but when you see all these things falling one domino after another You start to get really suspicious about stuff absolutely Right was this by design maybe? Or was it just happenstance and as you continue on its like hold on

26:01 It can't be that many coincidences. Let's just be honest, I mean that's the feeling, that's the sentiment it can't be that many coincidences you trick us out of our natural habitat of agriculture and rural based You bring us to the city, you snatch the jobs off and under us, you move them out, you limit our access to funding to buy single family homes in the suburbs while your catering to other people And then you have the projects with no men in it. I'm just saying, when you stack all those on top of each other is very fishy but what we have to... What i'm doing explaining how It became segregated in the first place because if you let people live where they want to live people are naturally going to gravitate

26:53 to you know what's closest to their job, what people align with them. You know and as he said Richard Rothstein said there were integrated communities without any stimulus to be so well. So I'm sure we'll get to it um but and what comes to mind is okay let's just presume people are good but this was not in my backyard type of thing it's like oh you know and obviously kind of Well, the literal meaning of racist which is well they're just less than us but we're gonna hook them up. We're gonna do good but we'll just let them do it over there It's literally racist But at the time probably just how they thought not trying to say its correct

27:38 I would tell you goggles, but we're so close. We're going to get there. Okay, sorry all right let's let's get into part three and the FHA in order to grant the guarantees for bank loans for these developers to build giant developments they never could have assembled a capital to build development with tens of thousands of homes in one place on their own The Federal Housing Administration gave them guaranteed bank loans on condition that they sell no homes to African Americans, and indeed required that the deed of every home in these developments include a clause prohibiting resale or rental to African Americans. So there were many other policies that the federal government followed and state and local governments followed but these two ... The Federal Housing Administration creation of the suburbs on a white only basis

28:32 and the Public Works Administration, succeeding housing agencies concentrating African Americans in central cities where they became poorer and poorer created the metropolitan landscape that we see today. You talk about the image that we have of African Americans. White families, whites generally look at the way we've concentrated African-Americans although they don't understand that it was we who concentrated them. We are government of the country They look at African Americans living in poverty without opportunity and they assume that this is characteristic of African Americans rather than understanding this is a product of an explicit government policy Right on I got your question right sure does yeah? It does

29:21 So you freeze these people out of suburbs, saying no you can't sell the government now. You can't sell them houses and Nadeed always has to stay white and then you have no jobs in these communities And then you overpopulate the projects and don't offer services like trash and those kind of things it creates this image. I mean, to be honest with you that's the imagery we have of third world countries right? Yeah! They just can't get their shit together. Well that's unfortunately now happening in every city across America with people camping everywhere same image but what to what end so let's say this is a racist policy its clearly a horrible setup

30:08 To what end? What was the benefit to the people doing this, what were they thinking like we'll just... They're here anyway. We can't literally throw them overboard so we'll just squish them here is that what that was? It's creating in the bottom you have to have a bottom in society just like you have to have a bottom in the world right? Jobs that we don't want to be done here, and there are not tied here to the land like agriculture but the The making of these dollar store toys in these trinkets and things over there But this is a bottom with no job so that it's not it's not even a productive bottom Which made it easier for people? To look like let's see We got to go back to the killer wasp when you're saying okay. We need to create people that

31:02 And this is an analogy I draw. It's like if you're, like...I'm a Cowboys fan right? When i talk- If I was a true fan, a fanatic, I would talk in terms of we and us. Did you see how we played yesterday? You know, we did pretty good. Wee wee wee! That's how these newly inducted whites were. Yeah let them come in be fans of the Wasp, you know, and portray themselves as white And they, you know, they'll feel like they're part of the team but they're really not. You know? They're really not part of the team wink-wink nod-nod and what it does is build this buffer class or the mud seal and we're gonna get there on another episode but it builds this buffer class between the actual bottom and the top. Okay yeah now we have been through that yes I agree so I mean what I'm saying is... It's everybody moving on up stepping on the person underneath and if you don't have someone to step on then find one

32:04 Right, and the easiest way to keep the bottom clearly defined is if you do it off of skin color and so-called race. Yeah! That does make it kind of easy doesn't it? Right. So I mean this is the killer wasp at work And its like oh yeah The Irish Oh we hated them but come on in The Italian We hated them but come on in And now what's with the Hispanics? Hispanics we hated them But now come on in Long as you can portray the WASP definition of whiteness, their ideals you know their principles and all those things. And as long as you agree that the bottom has to stay at the bottom You can't help the bottom I mean that will get your car revoked Right! I know it sounds very sinister but and its not even a subject The key subject of this episode But we got to understand how segregation happened especially in major cities

33:00 And what was the solution for it? So I think we stopped at three, we can go into four now. There were many African Americans in the early 1950s late 1940's who could have afforded to buy those homes, single family homes that governments were creating in places like Westlake and San Lorenzo or others in this area and throughout the country. Levittown is probably the best example, east of New York City and well known. Many African Americans could have afforded to buy those homes they were very inexpensive. They cost about 7-8-9 thousand dollars at the time that's about 100 thousand dollars in today's

33:40 money, about twice national median income. Working class families of either race could have afforded to buy those homes. African Americans were prohibited from doing so and required to continue living in urban areas renting apartments either in public housing or private market And the whites were subsidized. The subsidy to whites was so great that they could leave public housing, which as I said was not for poor people at the time it was for working class families. They could leave public housing and move into single family homes in suburbs like Levittown or Westlake or San Lorenzo pay less in their monthly VA and FHA mortgages, and other housing costs. Pay less for housing in these single-family homes than they were paying for rent and public housing." Yes I recall some of this from previous episodes... So we're comparing apples to apples here. Two men one black one white same family kids

34:39 same income, but one had access to move to this nice neighborhood subsidized by the government and other ones restricted. I mean completely restricted so i'm hoping i'm laying us the integration part...I mean a segregation part out because it's going to be important for the integration part. Which episode was it just for people's reference where we talked about this specifically about the homes not being allowed to sell? The home that it was on the white flight with a white flight when I can't oh it's starting to rent yeah we think it was white flight but that but this is what Michelle Obama was talking about in her and her everything right an episode herself of White Flight um, but yeah this is...I don't want to harp on this too long because like I said this is not

35:28 The key, but what you're starting to do is understand not you because you've been doing the work. You've been about the business of doing the work. Thank you. Thanks for acknowledging me. Yes. No, but what it does is if you got all this pressure I'm what I'm doing is building a psychology of the person that will take the deal integration If you've been suppressed and oppressed and forced to live in these not so great conditions, it's either go back to- in their mind I'm just trying to make everybody human here. It's either go back to the South where there is visible oppressive racism of like Jim Crow or if I stay in the North I have to stay where

36:18 not segregated by, you know your sheer will to work. It's just like oh all the blacks lump them together so you have criminal blacks You have low-class blacks you had you know all these with working class and middle income in middle income blacks um So now I'm just setting up how integration sounded like a good idea No on this face value when you get the chance to move out but there's always a catch but Before we move there, let's wrap up with the last clip from Richard Rothstein No. 5. So we created this situation and African-American neighborhoods became more and more overcrowded as well as depressed because of lack of employment opportunities. More and more overcrowded because they were restricted in where they could move. There were no opportunities outside urban areas. As they became more overcrowded conditions deteriorated in the communities

37:12 City services typically declined at that point, less garbage collection. They became slums and whites looked at these communities and decided that African Americans were slum dwellers and therefore should be avoided but this was all the product of government policy. This was not something that happened naturally. It was not something that happened by accident. It was not as we commonly think something de facto It was a legal creation just as the segregation of schools, or the segregation of restaurants, or the segregation of transportation was done by government in the 20th century. Bastards I tell you! What were they thinking? So i'm glad he made that point and it's going to come up later but what we have to look at is people that say okay we want it separate but equal because this is gonna be a big part of this show too uh people are saying separate with equal

38:08 What the things they wanted to be integrated was opportunity to these loans, opportunity to GI bills, opportunity to have the same schools. So if you're going to build two schools one for black children and one for white children they should be identical but that's not how this separate but equal idea and legislation played out so it's not that we want it Had this conversation with my mother and this is kind of where the episode was kind of brewing at that had his conversation with her Okay, mom. What we are you gotta promise me? You do your mom's voice otherwise it just doesn't work for me Please I said what was y'all thinking? I was like well white pies that sweeter or White coffee there hotter and she said child, you know We just wanted to be seen as humans And I'm like

39:06 I can get it, you know. So it was more of not wanting to be in the restaurant but allowed to go in there You know they didn't want to be restricted so we over simplify with this Woolworth counter and its like They were just dying to get a piece of that pie or literally are dying to get a cup of that coffee It was more I'm human see me and really the bigger conversation was Here was a trade-off, and this is where I get sinister. And just in my mind because how we just set it up that all of us have been government sanctioned so just in my mind they said okay

39:46 You want the white school and the white books? You got to take the white teachers along with it. It wasn't that, and I say this because my dad was his last year of school was his first year integration so imagine him now I know I say tell you something but this is my perspective right and it's kind of I went to school for 11 12 years we're all black people then use one a thrust me into this integration experiment, when you could just easily bring a load of books over here. You know bring your couple cans of paint over here. Right there goes the separate but equal that just ended right there and said okay separate but equal but not at our place.

40:34 A lot of black people at that time didn't want to go to white schools. No matter how they make it seem like, oh we wanted to be bused or you know this is where imagery and narrative come in I've always speak about the little girl carrying her books and white people on both files just yelling and screaming It's like why would i want to put my child through that? But...I mean that's the narrative And now I know I'm dragging out And this is where the narrative got picked up by the media. And this is a throwback clip from show 12, Media MLK and Civil Rights Movement. As a story of the civil rights movement had it all good versus evil drama social upheaval But at first America's major media ignored it especially in the south It was our responsibility to find away

41:30 to dramatize the issue. Congressman John Lewis says that the movement's leaders realized, to bring change they needed to reach white Americans How did you do that? As a movement we literally put Our bodies on the line. The influence of civil rights coverage Hank Klibanoff co-wrote The Race Beat, a book about the media and the movement Well race was big story in the south beginning in the 40s and 50's it just that no one knew about it Finally by 1957 major northern newspapers discover the drama and the story How do you feel about integrated passengers? Television networks followed even major southern media paid attention

42:13 to the open hatred. You've got to keep your white and black separate! And a violent response to peaceful protest If you're going to beat us, beat us in the light of day Beat us while the camera's on This was Selma Alabama 1965 among the bloodied John Lewis American people could not stand it To see young children and old women being knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police dogs Yeah, nice story as they said in the beginning of the clip. Nice story! But that's what I'm saying they had it all you know and he even said we had to dramatize so this is where people with a certain motive and they were being steered...I believe being steered and i'm going to lay out some evidence here

43:05 that integration wasn't really a demand that black people were making. This is all, this is completely all narrative if I truly believe...I've talked to enough older black people and they would say hey we could have went to schools and had the same books in chalking at least it was parody there not even if he was the same books but okay our books are like a couple of years older than their edition My dad used to say they had to go to school and piece together books just so they had proper materials that start the school year with.

43:43 I just like, what? Okay. Let me explain to you what I'm doing here on trying to diffuse and we always talk about the wars right is the gender war, the race war and generational war And this one right here is that intraracial intra racial war between generations because of younger people look at older people like you were stupid to get spit on a hit in the head for a cup of coffee and slice of pie. I mean that's what they bought it down too. Right now Well, that's what the younger generation perhaps has been taught in school through other ways You know through the to the stories. They've been told the way it went down the story is by who? About slavery and I said by who buy who not about but bought whose telling a story the media The clips are played right with Calvin Baker right he just come in to write another story

44:39 Not facts, not proof. I mean this is what Richard Rothstein's... he's laying out proof! The other gentleman, his name Jerome Bennett he's laying out proof but it's like no-no-no we have to indoctrinate the children to believe that these mean white people not the government, but the citizens wanted segregation. Right? That America was inherently a bunch of bad fuckers that were just bad people we'd had nothing good in mind right and then average white person like I'm just going to work and you know trying to live my life so and but then younger black people look at the older black peoples like shut up Boomer instead you were dumb enough to go we could have had our own schools what i'm doing is diffusing

45:30 unpacking this narrative so we can move forward. In fact, it's not quite how it was laid out. Quite the opposite to what we heard earlier with Baker that two generations if you don't stop this, if you let it go on for the two generations for everyone to integrate again, it's only gonna get two generations worse exponentially Because that's what we're seeing. It's like boom, boom, boom all the way through the generations and it winds up with well you boomers were stupid! What? The next generation will be even worse and then we have this super weapon called social media yeah I mean we're talking about television here back in the 60s with the media now you take this super weapon and load that super weapon up with this narrative

46:17 And we're gonna be wet. That's what this Facebook show was talking about and it's something I missed from that Facebook show, excuse me Netflix show on social media. Yeah the social dilemma. The social dilemma is casting spells! They actually use that terminology which on the Nocebo Show we laid it out you know So true. We're from the future, dude! Okay... Um so what we got to do now is I spoke about how black people started voting democratically and that was with Nixon and JFK and JFK bailing Nixon out you know that kind of thing but it was a piece of the story i left out

47:09 on the Cutter Room floor. So this is kind of like a throwback clip because it's from the same piece, but we didn't really examine this portion of it and this is Jeffrey Frank, a senior editor at The New Yorker and he wrote the book Ike & Dick A Portrait Of Strange Political Marriage so he's going to speak about Richard Nixon MLK And it was devastating. The most devastating thing of all for Nixon, by the way, was an act of cowardice when Dr King was arrested on a totally trumped up charge and put in a paddy wagon and then chained to be taken to Reedsville Prison in Georgia. Coretta Scott King called both campaigns – the Kennedy campaign or the Nixon campaign – said would you please help get him out? You know there was violence against African Americans in the South in Georgia at that time was horrible and she really thought he was going to be killed

47:57 And Kennedy, the Kennedy people stepped up and Nixon told his advisors that would just be grandstanding to interfere with the legal process. That was it. King later said we were in touch I thought we were friends And it showed a real moral lapse. And if Nixon had done it, the Kennedy people sent out like a campaign flyer that said no comment Nixon versus the candidate with a heart and that ... If Nixon had carried the black vote, and he by the way still got 32% of the black vote unlike when Republicans get like 2 percent of the black vote. But uh... He would have won! He would have won probably at least two more states and everything would've changed. Wow! Yeah! Hey a question about this um who was this again? Who was speaking

48:52 That's Jeffrey Frank. He is a senior editor at the New Yorker You know, I was just listening to his cadence you know something that I learned from Dvorak I guess and no agenda listen to how he spoke he sounds eerily like John Brennan the head of the CIA The same cadence man that guy might be a spook or hang out with him Well, if he was uh... well speaking of spooks. Oh okay yes And what we mean by that is spies and we don't want to trigger anybody I mean because that could be taken another way No no this is the inside description of a spy's spook yeah A spy's I know we have to do that though cause we might have some new listeners and you know we don't wanna trigger them but

49:44 It's funny you bring that up because I, that made me start to think when I heard this clip again. I said why would MLK think that him and Nixon were friends? That's a stretch like you're just meeting somebody and y'all talk about policies or possible political workings they say he thought that him and Nixon were friends now we know Daddy King Martin Luther king senior you know what I'm saying, had strong ties to the Republican Party. But it was just like how did Nixon and King Jr meet? So I started doing some digging as I always do and one thing I always say, tell Adam is that people who are into inside baseball, I said the longer you give me to prepare, the better show will be so this... That's why I always say take a month Moe! Do whatever you want, I am good to go. You just tell me when to show up we're good

50:38 So I unearthed this little piece, this little nugget. MLK Nixon won." This photo of MLK and Richard Nixon was once taboo now see it in Tampa by Maggie Duffy, Tampa Bay Times January 17th 2020 Griffith J. Davis saw the historic moment happen and clicked his camera Dr Martin Luther King Jr, emerging civil rights leader fresh off the Montgomery bus boycotts was talking to then Vice President Richard Nixon They were flanked by their wives Coretta Scott King and Patricia Nixon It was March 1957 Newly independent Ghana was celebrating with ceremonies in its capital Accra Nixon was there leading the official US delegation

51:22 Ghana's Prime Minister Kwame Nkrumah invited the kings. Davis, an African-American audiovisual officer for the U.S. Foreign Service stationed in Africa had been sent to document Nixon's first visit to the continent During their talk, Nixon invited Dr. King to Washington DC to discuss the civil rights movement but fears ran high that the image could increase the tension of race relations This meeting would have been too volatile to have taken place in the United States according to the US Department of State's website Share America and the photo was not published there at the time The photo is being publicly displayed for the first time in Tampa as part of the exhibition Griff Davis and Langston Hughes letters and photographs 1947 to 1967 a global friendship. Global friendships this guy Griffin J Davis I'm like who is this? I've never heard him before but black a black man so-called black man he doesn't even have a page she's got a lot of archives of photos but

52:27 Right, right. And then they said in there he was a foreign officer for civil officer and he worked with the NSA ID which I've you know USAID Excuse me, USAID. Yes, USAID which I've heard you mentioned before yeah Which is essentially the payment channel for the CIA that they're closely related USA ID They're there the money guy did the bad guys for bag as in BAG For anything that needs to be done so as they laid this story out and that was read by a Jane Denifer Thank You Jane yes Well

53:14 As she read what was written in the, I think it was the Tampa Bay Times. I believe there was like all he was just had Griffin J Davis just happened to be there and snapped a picture that captured this meeting between MLK and Nixon. Well is I've had to go and dig up on the history of Mr. Griffin J Davis. Yeah, Griffin J Davis one I'm Dorothy Davis. I am the daughter of Griffith J. Davis, a pioneer African American photographer, journalist and diplomat slash U.S. Foreign Service officer.

53:50 tell you a bit about his work, but more importantly I want you to focus on the stories that he told through these different lenses. My father was born in Atlanta Georgia literally on the campus of Morehouse College He ultimately graduated from Morehouse College and went to World War II. He was a Buffalo soldier in Italy and he was a photographer there. Hmmmm... Okay Now Griffin J Davis is either one of the most interesting men that we never heard of, which we should hear off. I mean if he's on up and note or there's something very nefarious about him just being around. I don't care what you say Moe a guy like this has no wiki page that's a problem

54:43 Oh, let me add to that. Now this is a writing from his son it says from a personal perspective Davis parents knew Dr King and his father had been at the original 1963 March on Washington and Selma in 1965 okay so this guy Griffin J Davis is popping up now he's working for the government but he's popping up at the march on Washington and Selma they said during the conference presentation Davis shared rare photos of Dr. King taken in the 1950s by his father it sounds like this guy was either and then he goes to, he was at Morehouse at the same time that king was there after coming back from working on being um after being uh in the military for a while he comes back tomorrow and she even said he was born at more house let's not forget Rockefeller funded Moore House yeah

55:40 Who is this guy that snatched this historic picture, but then they don't show it until 2020? It just doesn't make sense. It makes all the sense to me, but it doesn't make sense. Like you said everybody has a wiki page and this guy doesn't. Yeah and actually griffisdavis.com That's probably where he got the link to The Tampa Bay Times I'm putting stuff in the show notes And yeah that is a great picture by the way That is a great picture. Who else is there? Oh, that's Coretta okay yeah and that came out January 1st of 2020 I think it just came out January 17th

56:29 So people think we're covering history here and now we're unearthing something new. And that's how I want to remind people that we're not talking about MLK the person, let's get this clear! We're talking about MLK the product of how he is used by the media as a trigger as told us by Chronicles of Judah 144. The Caucasian liberals have a lot invested in the image of Martin Luther King Martin Luther King is a trigger that they use to control American blacks. Remember whenever American blacks start to get out of control, they bring up Martin Luther King because that's how they reign you in You got to be more like Dr. King. You have to follow his message

57:15 All right, you have to want to be with me. You have the one to hold my hand Once again Martin Luther King was a pawn of the globalists They utilize him to bring you black people into the fold of globalism aka Luciferian ism the economic system of luciferian ism is communism So here's the question though. So this is clearly been put out for a reason, I don't think it's just like oh my we found this but what's the benefit of Richard Nixon? Who does that benefit? I don't know and i don't know who's pulling the strings here and what seems like here is to me... And this is just mine, what I took away from all- I'm still processing this

58:07 It seems like you had Griffin J. Davis was like, hey you keep an eye on King make sure he's not getting around too many radicals that kind of thing and when he shows up with Nixon and that's more a king we can work with inside the parameters of capitalism in Americanism and not that communist mess that you're being persuaded with And I think that Griffin J. Davis kind of lost, probably lost his asset in a way because he was...I'm sure he was a Morehouse guy. He's a Morehouse guy. Hey bro! You know the kinda thing. The Boule thing. But I think that that's how he was making it and then now when you have Republicans interested in the black vote again this Nixon story pops up out of nowhere

59:08 Hmm, this is how I'm just taking it. No, it's it's I love this and I'm just looking at the so his daughter put It out she's the one that founded the Griffin Griffith J Davis Archives yeah She was speaking in the video as well on the last clip that we played before The Chronicle of Judas went So it's obviously King Daddy king and Nixon they had their relationship but Kennedy came through and got him out in a pinch. You know, when he was in the pinch I think Nixon just didn't want to be bothered with it because like we'll get 30 40 percent of the black vote and just look how divided the black vote was then right even then I mean Republicans got thirty percent and Democrats got sixty percent even after getting King out of office so I'm just showing you

59:58 So now we have to look at the relationship between what we're doing here, we're building how they get integration and we've seen the media picked up on this story. And now the Kennedy's see as a viable resource. So I want to get into a little background on the gentleman that's going to be speaking next, and that's Mr. Glenn Ford and this is his bio. Now joining us to talk about Kennedy is Glenn Ford. Glenn is the executive editor of Black Agenda Report He was the founder and host of America's Black Forum, the first nationally syndicated black news interview show on commercial television. He is also the author of The Big Lie An Analysis Of U.S Media Coverage Of The Grenada Invasion Thanks very much for joining us again Glenn Oh man that is another thing I need to look at...the Grenada invasion! Thanks for reminding me

1:00:53 Well, this is where we got to be careful about color and colorism. And you know saying who's black and not black because when you see Mr Glenn Ford he's very fair skinned. it. But all his life, even though he's a Marxist I mean self-proclaimed Marxists but he's not a culture Marxist like the people of today He is like the old school Marxist which we disagree on that ideology you know I'm a capitalist in the true sense of it not the corporatist form that we have now but if you can buy one for sale for two best man wins kind of thing with that said he gets into

1:01:32 This notion that Kennedy brothers thought the Civil Rights Movement was a nuisance as best. So, paint a picture in your view of the world as Kennedy campaigns and becomes president? Well you know it's generally understood that 1960 is the year that blacks- that the Democratic Party got a lock on the black vote Many people seem to think that happened just by magic, because of the Kennedy charm or because the Kennedys were such quintessential liberals. And of course they were not but it's much more complicated than that although the black vote

1:02:13 had been leaning Democratic in those places where Blacks could vote since Roosevelt's era. Many Blacks were still Republicans, and the Democratic Party was still weighted down with the Dixiecrats, the racist Democrats from the South. And in 1952 and 1956 When Adlai Stevenson was running for president as the Democrat, that didn't change. And the National Party did not distance itself from an increasingly vocal and racist and white power structure down there.

1:02:53 So the Kennedy's, you know they saw MLK for what he was a way to make inroads with the black vote. And the funny thing is now it's like we're at the complete opposite of the spectrum. You had Republicans who pretty much had the black vote and they took it for granted, and it hurt them. Now in 2020 you have the Democrats who have the black vote and they're taking it for granted. That's what I was saying someone could easily swoop in with some kind of deal, some kind of gesture and destabilize that. Well Marianne Williamson tried

1:03:38 Which, I will say again Mary Ann Williamson's plan sounds a lot like Trumps plan. It's the same amount of money down to the number he put it he put a platinum sticker on it yeah you put the platinum on it and I want to say one more thing 1957 is gonna be a key year because let's think back that's when Nixon and MLK met so it seems like they were grooming this relationship for three years that's probably why MLK was like dude You're gonna leave me hanging in jail? And so when the Kennedy's came along, he was like I gotta get out of jail because let's be clear his life was in danger. Being in jail you could wake up dead very easily where he was at in Georgia

1:04:23 But let's get into Kennedy Brothers too. Thousands of white folks, many of them women, tried to block the integration of the school. They screamed, they hollered, they threatened, they cursed and all that was done in front of national television cameras. A very very embarrassing situation for the President of the United States who is trying to project the U.S.,

1:05:02 in opposition to Soviet competition as being such a liberal place to live, and the home of democracy and the land of the brave. And it was very embarrassing. So Eisenhower sent in troops to Little Rock in 1957. This had a tremendous impact on black public opinion because this was the first time time, since Reconstruction that the federal government had intervened on the side of black people. Eisenhower's stock went up in black America sky high and so as we move into the 1960 presidential election there was great fear among the Democrats who know it is going to be a very tight race

1:05:50 that Richard Nixon, Eisenhower's vice president now hitting the ticket may inherit some of that tremendous goodwill that Eisenhower got because of his intervention in Little Rock in 1957. You know nothing good ever comes out a little rock it's always trouble with Little Rock amazing Amazing how that happened. I will say, I had some of the best barbecue I've ever had in my life in Little Rock so that is one thing... No! Not-I've been to Little Rock you know it's just uh like It's weird man. It's like there's just some notable things that happen there And notice the year 1957 So now we have Ike sending in on the federal troops Yeah In 1957 until Little Rock at the same time MLKs meeting with Nixon

1:06:41 So they have this thing pretty much sold up, except for they fumbled the ball. They fumbled the ball at the one yard line by not getting King out of there because they looked at King like he's not a major figure or... And you know what? They really underestimated it. They underestimated the power of his father His father had juice in Atlanta with the black churches and it's south. Do you think that even back then they considered it didn't really matter because as long as they had the image of MLK, didn't really have to have the man himself? No well I think they said well we stepped in a little rock We met King at 57 he's cool Let's not upset

1:07:28 I'm getting inside their head. Let's not upset our white voters by not overplaying our hand, but we still have good favor. And they left the door wide open I'm just putting myself in King's senior shoes, but we've talked about him and there are some things going on with him in the background. His trip to Nazi Germany in 1933... That's another story for another day! When he was like you left my son hanging in jail That doesn't speak much for our relationship. No, not a thing the Republicans like we've done so much What more do you want us to do and that? Opened the door for Kennedy did come right in and it was said this has been quoted from King senior He said my and I'm paraphrasing here but it was that basically My daughter Coretta is crying

1:08:28 And he was like, Kennedy's what can you do? And they made the call to get King Senior or King Junior out of jail. And that gave King senior the motivation to go out and sway the whole South black vote to Kennedy. And let's not forget who are three people on the wall MLK Yep JFK yep and Jesus have the white variety That's who was on black people's walls. So that speaks, that lets you know how strong the narrative of the Kendi's was to the black community at the time. Wow! More than narratives. Narrative and so much analogy and so recognizable too

1:09:20 Yeah, but it's narrative because as Glenn Ford is laying out and the title of the this is the YouTube title. Of the other show I got from the Kennedy brothers thought the civil rights movement was a nuisance as best so I mean these are very steady people that he's like God I gotta meet what me? taking liberties here but didn't us getting him out of jail enough? Obviously it wasn't because I mean King wanted civil rights and integration. That was the big ask of the civil rights was integration uh unless he's get into, I guess part three. Uh certainly this this issue of their attitude toward the civil rights movement they get a lot they meaning JFK and RFK get a lot of credit

1:10:07 Towards promoting this and being sort of the beginning of support for the civil rights movement and legislation that then came under Johnson And they get basically is there at the beginning of a sort of modern version of Democratic Party liberalism You don't buy that No, I don't buy that. And the literature actually shows that both Kennedy brothers saw the civil rights movement as a nuisance at best. Remember the FBI's spy campaign against Martin Luther King begin under Robert Kennedy's watch. He was aware of it, and as tight as those two brothers were—they talked about everything together—that we can assume that John Kennedy was also aware that the FBI was not only spying on Martin Luther King but was trying to destroy his reputation, that the FBI had King in its sights.

1:11:05 The march on Washington, Kennedy considered a kind of victory for himself. The literature at any rate says that they consider it a good example of managed protest and that they negotiated with the leaders of the civil rights movement to keep the protests contained. What is that story? Yeah! That's Black Lives Matter version 0.1. Hellooooooo! I love this! I'm learning all kinds of things today. But the overarching thing is it's not about what's true, it's about who has the stronger narrative? Who has the stronger story? Who has the ties with the media and the media is pushing...I mean they loved JFK How about this for a sec? Griffin Davis you know he worked for Ebony

1:12:02 Yep, the Johnson family. And I'm sure that it was important to have someone who had that connection and could perpetrate narrative through those channels You know what? You know who I see him as and I brought his name up before but we really haven't gotten to him It's a guy named Gordon Parks and Gordon Parks also worked for the government little be known to the public But he was the one that would follow around MLK, some of the most iconic... not MLK but Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali. Some of the iconic pictures from them came from Garden Parks and he was represented as a figure in American Gangster as the guy with big mustache giving Frank Lucas all the advice so this I think Griffin J Davis was the counter or

1:13:00 the opposite but equal to Gordon Parks. Go read Gordon Parks books, I used to have a lot of respect for him until I found out that he did a lot of snooping and spying and his camera was always in the right place at the right time just like Griffin J Davis as just an aside but let's not forget Hoover was operating under Kennedy if I'm not mistaking and that was the ultimate way You know, it's Hoover this doing the investigation of King not Kennedy. So that allowed people to Even though Hoover was a black man Just waiting for that one to pop up yeah But he was oh and by the way for people who are new to the show

1:13:50 Oh, Moe. Do you remember what episode that was in one of the early ones? Pre-20 I guess That was a colorism Like i said, I have to do better about than... They weave in and out so much that it was the colorism when I believed it I laid that story out but Um, yeah. So that was the get Kennedy out the hook is Hoover you know Hoover who were the one that was investigating Marcus Garvey and go down the list? You know it wasn't tweet Kennedy. I mean black people love JFK Seriously, I mean like you could ask a lot of black people where were you at with Jeff and they can tell you. They were emotionally and psychologically impacted by his death And actually Obama had reminded a lot of people Kennedy-esque features Yes that's it That's it Just the way he carried himself with the wife and kids Very very good politicians

1:14:57 But with that said, I guess we can wrap up with Glenn Ford in part four. And it was a high profile management so high of profile management that Malcolm X called it the farce on Washington and railed constantly against those big six leaders as he called the civil rights pantheon at the time allowing themselves to be manipulated by the white Democrat in the White House and allowing Kennedy to put cream in the coffee, as Malcolm used to put it. Whatever one judges their intent or motivation were there some positive accomplishments of the Kennedy administration in terms of either civil rights or social equality legislation?

1:15:46 FORD, JR.: Well, he did pass a modest I believe it was by executive order update of existing very modest civil rights apparatus. But no, nothing substantial. He's usually credited with creating the tone of cooperation, of non-hostility between that would allow the civil rights forces to organize without the federal government being a big obstacle so that the effort could be concentrated on the real opposition down south.

1:16:31 So if you notice even the interviewer and I don't catch his name. He tries to redeem Kennedy because this guy Glenn Ford just shot it with a castle cannon basically what? Because he's like wait, wait, wait, wait, Kennedy we got to save that imagery You know, he still a viable tool which I would say this now that just comes in my mind I haven't seen Kennedy that much anymore Good point. Is it because he's problematic due to the women or people actually know what he is about due to race? I mean, you used to... that was no, he was brought up every four years and even President's Day was more like about Kennedy but you don't hear much about him anymore But also did Obama really refer to Kennedy that much

1:17:23 No. I don't think so either he was compared to him but i think perhaps the idea was to always have a new Kennedy and that's what Obama was supposed to be. Oh swap it out yeah yeah you know it makes more sense chocolate dip Kennedy chocolate covered Kennedy and still alive, we can still parade him out and get them to do stuff for us Got it. Speaking of, let's pick up where Glenn Ford left off and he mentioned Malcolm X and the black coffee analogy with cream so I guess let's go ahead and listen to that clip. It's just like when you got some coffee that is too black which means its too strong what do you do? You integrate it with cream.

1:18:15 You make it weak. If you pour too much cream in, you won't even know you ever had coffee! It used to be hot, it becomes cool. It used to be strong, it becomes weak. But used to wake ya up now, it'll put you to sleep. This is the point, this is the danger of too much integration because it becomes co-opting. It's like yeah let's come in all now we're going to tell you how to run it but one of the greatest pieces of art

1:19:02 That was used to push a narrative of integration and we covered this before I think in the same episode with no man not no man house but white flight that was Episode 14. This is a Raisin in the Sun Plot Summary 1. In Lorraine Hansberry's Raisin in the Sun, the younger family of five lives in a tiny dark infested apartment on Chicago's South Side sometime between 1945 and the present of 1959 The whole family eagerly awaits a $10,000 life insurance check for the work-related death of Big Walter Mama's husband and the family's patriarch

1:19:42 Walter Lee Younger, a dissatisfied chauffeur in his mid-30s wants to invest in a liquor store. In the introduction he mentions news of another bombing and he talks finances with his wife Ruth. Ruth and Benita, Walter's younger sister both recognize mama as the one in charge of the insurance money As the rising action begins, Walter tries to convince her to finance his investment but Mama's against selling liquor. She wants to support Benita's plan to attend medical school she is also thinking about buying a house The family encourages Benita to pursue her wealthy suitor George Murchison but Benita finds him shallow Another suitor Nigerian classmate Joseph Asagai helps Benita explore her African heritage

1:20:29 The check arrives and Ruth reveals she's pregnant with an unplanned child. To Mama's dismay, Ruth has scheduled an abortion In the climax, Mama uses part of the settlement money to make a down payment on a house. Ruth is at first overjoyed but then shocked to learn that the house is in Clybourne Park, a white neighborhood. Lot to unpack on that clip so we have this 1950s play and it ended up coming out becoming a movie. Yes was a Sidney Poitier Yeah, yeah very very famous and just for a little inside baseball my dad actually played the role of Walter in a

1:21:12 rendition at the community center. And he went all in on it, I mean like he did a great job and I gotta give him credit on that but that's why this story resonates with me so much one you got to look at it in that time we're talking about abortion yeah we're talking about the demasculation of the male figure uh your educating a woman and obviously Walter wanted to create his own um business He's like, mom let me open a liquor store. You know she's like nah we want to invest in your sister education now fast forward We see the same thing it's like go get education don't start a business and then we're gonna take you know The abortion thing which I'll pass on that and then finally is that oh yeah? We want to integrate we want to go over to this this area where nobody wants us and this This helped with that

1:22:05 casting of that spell of integration will solve all our problems. Which, of course it's exactly the opposite! Yeah and let me... Can I say something one thing right quick? When i say integration I'm talking about forced state sanctioned integration. I want to be clear equality and equity quotas this is the same thing correct yes right oh we're gonna bust you over here If people want to be together, they're going to be together because we saw that from the Rothstein clips. People who had worked together didn't actually live close to each other because they had to live closer their job and they built a community that way. It's very important for for the times we live in right now because no one is looking at the record of

1:22:58 integration forced togetherness, let's just call it that way. And this is exactly what Black Lives Matter and Inc., and the Wokeness is calling for, we need a quota! We need to have more black people we have so many brown people, so many X Y & Z in the organization, in the school, in the neighborhood Right. And the thing is, I'm not even anti-affirmative action. I think that the way it's done is crazy because one that was really supposed to be a tangible for black people or so called black people to make up for the ills of what happened previous to that but then it was hijacked. Anyone who's a minority coming in? Yeah, yeah, I'm a minority okay you get affirmative action right

1:23:49 And then two, the problem what I find with it is you shouldn't lower the standards for certain groups. No no no no! It should be if you want to do off population this group is 13% of the population If you have 13 percent that meet the criteria that the other you know was a 83 87 percent has to meet and then fine You should leave those spots open because if you just do it by this sheer mathematics there should be 13% of their representation in that, you know, people qualify to represent them. Now I don't...I am adamant about lowering...being against lowering the standards because all your black well you only need a 1200 SAT what is that? I mean really the most pervasive form of racism Is that right there? That exists today Right there is the lower expectations

1:24:48 Is the lower expectation that is a huge problem. It's the literal definition of racism because it shows that you think lower of that person by race and And it causes anxiety for people to actually earn their way into their position Me being one of them because now I had to prove myself that I belong here You would think will be the opposite but no, it's like When you walk into a room in these spaces, and first thing people might think is oh he's talking. You know I know why he is here and no! I earned my way everywhere I went. And it's very counterproductive when you have those lower standards... We'll do a show on that but But I just want to show you how this shaped the minds of black people like Oh yeah if we could just move away from our own. That's right everything will be groovy. It'll be great

1:25:45 Yeah, not so much. But let's wrap up with the second part of the plot summary. When Mama sees his deterioration, she gives him control over the remainder of the money. She tells him to put some aside for beneath his education and decide himself what to do with the rest We see an immediate change in Walter and Ruth decides to keep her baby While the youngers excitedly pack Carl Lindner visits a white representative of the Clybourne Park Welcoming Committee In the falling action, an uncomfortable but polite Lindner says he wants to start a dialogue

1:26:32 But it's soon clear the neighborhood residents want to buy back the house to prevent integration. Walter, Ruth and Benita angrily reject the offer and ask Lindner to leave Soon after, Walter's fellow investor Bobo reports that Willie Harris has skipped town with their investment money Walters as well as Benita share Enraged, Mama begins to beat Walter. The family now in need of cash considers staying in the apartment and upbeat hopeful Asagai debates the possibility of progress with Benita. Asagai asks her to move with him to Africa to work with him to help improve the lives of his people at his lowest Walter calls Carl Lidner to accept the buyout

1:27:18 Beneath is ready to disown her brother, but Mama insists Walter needs their love now more than ever. In the resolution, Walter instead tells Lindner they plan to move into the house after all As movers load the truck, Benita says she's thinking about going to Africa. Mama tells Ruth that Walter has finally come into his manhood With hope as well as dark uncertainty about integration The play closes with the youngers vacating their apartment and going to their new house Yeah Yeah, and episode 14 is a good one by the way because this was a clip thrown back to that. It's a good episode to listen to it They're all great But I just remember how much I enjoyed that one but this just reaffirms even back in the 1950s The black man was the bottom of the bottom

1:28:10 He was supposed to be the patriarch of the family. He's treated like a child, even his mama beat him and he couldn't do anything right and his sister was going to be the savior of the family but this play was written by a huge feminist but I'm not gonna go there But these are the arts when you start to see how Black Lives Matter Inc leadership was picked It was, oh yeah these are the type of women we want to lead. These are the types of women that we want out front it's the same thing who wrote this play Yeah these were kind of ideas that we wanted to push going into the 1960s But moving on

1:28:57 We have Dr. Amos Wilson, he's very popular on the black speaking circuit The one I mentioned before that happened in bookstores and things of this nature And an author And his title is Assimilation & Multiculturalism But what he is going to talk about is the power of a fantasy When the individual responds emotionally and vigorously to ideas, and to concepts, and values, and ideologies which if pursued places the individual in danger. Places their very survival in question then you know that your dealing with an individual who has been taken over and possessed by a thing therefore you have to look at people and there ideologies

1:29:54 and look at what place their ideology puts them, and judge their ideology against the reality of their circumstances. This is the kind of thing we deal with as psychologists every day. With people who come in filled with fantasies and beliefs attached tenaciously to ideologies and hopes And yet, those fantasies, beliefs, ideologies and hope are depressing them. Destroying their families. Making it impossible for them to realize themselves and to achieve what their potentialities would allow them to achieve were they not caught up in curious games." Yeah true words

1:30:43 So what he said was in a clip that clips a little bit his words off because I think this was taken off of VHS. And I want to say one thing, this is why our platform like YouTube is so valuable because it allowed people to upload these videos that were taken back into 1980's early 80's mid-80's and you know be recorded in history If it wasn't for that, it would be probably on somebody's VHS tape stashed away. So I want to say that but... That's why was a little choppy. I just wanna explain the clip quality But what he was saying was these people that are possessed his words not mine Possessed by these fantasies

1:31:26 It's very unhealthy and that's what you alluded to earlier, that that's the problem going on today. People are like oh we need to have 4.3 black people, we need to have a 4.3 black this or that and go it's like no that's not how it works, that's not reality And when you try to hit them with reality or logic I don't know something is very jarring. It's very jarring it's because it's embedded deep in the psyche and I think we come back to the social dilemma here's an example, I'll tell you this is just my personal example so I've been looking at coronavirus from day one of looked at all the numbers I made my conclusions and you can listen to me on no agenda and you know that I'm really not all that worried about certainly not now

1:32:20 So we have a big meetup in Vegas tomorrow and it's gonna be 75, 80 people there. And lo and behold through my mind goes there still a thought going oh crap will this be a super spreader event even though I know the true numbers and their likelihood etc because i've been inundated with stuff from the media so yeah that its it's toxic it's very um... It spells as you would say That's exactly because what spells does is it's magic in one sense and magic in another sense. Well, magic and the illusion sense we know that there's not a rabbit in that hat. We know this! Yes true But when you see it done its like wow how do you pull that rabbit out of

1:33:13 Not where did he get that rabbit from our brain doesn't go there. I mean for most people It's just like wow, they caught up in the Wow factor and that's what you're saying that these little thing even myself That's why I go on all social media Go check in see what's going on and not come off of it because it has a sticking effect their tools are so powerful Their narrative is so well woven that I go back to what the lady said. Now this is a newscaster, she understand how the media works and she just regurgitates verbatim what the guy had just came on and say oh 100 years we would have made progress 100 year earlier as she does verbatim regurgitate it back to him

1:34:01 Yeah, if I can interject. I have no belief whatsoever that the news lady knows how hypnotizing the message is or news is... When I was at MTV, I wasn't thinking about that at all and we just deceived all the time for small reasons You don't know when you're part of the machine, you don't realize it But is that even more of a spell? It's worse. Yes, it's worse yeah yes so they're there even either you complicit or bigger victim than the people in the general public mm-hmm is that affair yes and that's why you see because she want to believe yes but that's why I see Cheryl Atkinson and and all these these former news readers

1:34:49 leaving starting podcasts because they're disillusioned and they realize that they were part of the problem. Interesting, mm-hmm And that's why what we do not to pat ourselves on the back as a public service Because we don't come here to solve problems or or you know come with solutions To things at nature what we do is say hey this I'm speaking for myself I can't speak for you let people understand what both sides are saying And let them decide for their self. That's all I want to do, I don't want to sway anybody one way or the other but what you have to do is you have to... One side is so good at the narrative or the narrative is so strong that you had to spend more time digging that

1:35:36 You know, the core out it's like we have to get to the core so people can say okay now understand what that side of sound stand with this side of sand and you use your own brain. To figure out which sides you want to align with and that's why I'm saying about integration separate but equal was not even given a chance or choice Period. So from my perspective, of course the stories and the narrative that I've heard and was raised with...I'm very open because what I've been doing for the past 15 years to other alternative histories or histories that are not the same so for me it's like I'm coming here, I'm here to listen

1:36:20 If I can, if I can tell you what my experience was or how like how I experienced something but yeah. I feel like this has been such a super education and we are following along with the nudge or the spell of Malcolm X who said this Well, probably just before I was even born. First the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table The white men has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak in their mind Without hurting the feeling of the right man Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top the table and take an intelligent approach To get the problem solved. That's the only way but they'll never do it

1:37:02 And that is exactly what it is. I love playing that every single time because he reminds me, It's about not triggering...it's no so much about here's what I think here you know? I need to be able to listen to you and you should not have to worry for a second like when I was Six years old, and we told this story on one of the first shows. And my parents had colleagues of theirs coming over and a black family. And we were excited me and my sister was very young but I was excited like oh let's be cool! They showed up in suit and tie and wouldn't say anything. We'd both been screwed by our parents. We both got some kind of you know story and we never connected

1:37:48 Because you were able to tell me, oh well here's what my mom would tell me just before we went in to see those white folks and here's how...you don't embarrass me. And on the other side of that let me just chime in right there Now you understand what the black family was going through. It's like, we don't want to seem like slum people." Yes of course! And it's this stupidity of just not being able to communicate and so being worried which is one of the biggest problems with today's youth use with the youth is triggering make sure you don't trigger anybody when sometimes you just need to push through it to get down to something so we can talk about stuff and I'd like to talk about our value for value model where

1:38:30 Ask a simple question. When you listen to MoFax with Adam Curry, did you get any value out of it? Whatever that was we'd like you to put that back in now it could be time talent treasure Obviously, we need to pay bills a lot of work goes into certainly from most sides So we do appreciate it when people can Consent some value and it can be $1.00 can be five dollars It does not matter because that's valuable to you so as long as you feel that you got value of what you sent back then that's fine with us and And we'd like to thank the people who supported the show for this week. Now I have a, is this a belated from Miss J that we have at the top here Moe? Please! Please it's a make good please please. You know how I felt? Yeah. Let me explain something to people My anxiety is to miss somebody's note when they've given value

1:39:24 And this, my anxiety came true with this one. She sent a note and I didn't think to search by the names that were in the um...in the um... The donation? Cash app. Yeah. What was ever associated with the cash app and I missed her so I was like ah! I felt really really bad So please I will say this one thing I'll let you continue if you don't have a note please write no note yeah Because if not, I'm gonna dig dig and it just takes a exorbitant amount of time because I don't ever want to forget anybody again. But if we do we put you at the very top of the list like we did Miss J. Yes miss j so this goes back to September 20th she says please accept my is $100 please accept my donation for episode 50 and wait a minute is this

1:40:14 How much is $50 50 cents? Yes It goes towards 50 more episodes. I found you from the star report, I guess that would make me a Star Mono Row with star report Mo Fax no agenda Rogan Oh hey we're sending people over to Rogan this is good Could you put me on the birthday list? We don't really have a birthday list, but we are happy to celebrate your birthday at a time which was September 30 and would definitely like some Mo' Karma for me to meet my future husband. Yes Miss J! We do future husband karma out of the box. You've got... Mo' Karma And thank you very much Wait wait a minute it's her birthday so we know what everybody gets on their birthday Don't you Of course They always give me a biscuit on my birthday There you go

1:41:02 Nothing like a butter biscuit. Now moving on to our first executive producer of episode number 51, this is from Kyle Dietz 3333 the magic numbers reign supreme in the morning Mo and Adam been listening since episode 1 have not been paid but I've not been paying my podcast support please de-deadbeat me Congratulations, you're no longer a deadbeat. I have wondered Kyle continues what has brought the so-called black community to where it is today as the mainstream narrative didn't quite make sense? I'd heard pieces here and there but your weekly Malcolm X in quotes Malcolm X talks have brought it together into cohesive narrative which makes so much more sense and can unite us instead of divide

1:41:54 Yes, it's so and it turns out to be really easy as long as you just agree Hey whatever I say don't get triggered by it And yeah we were all with world guys So we won't get triggered by any stuff anyway But that's what it takes I humbly request baby making mo karma With a goat twist as my smoking hot wife and I attempt to expand our family Keep doing. I presume this says keep doing the work Let me see is anymore here I just lost it here on the spreadsheet. This is Excel does this keep doing the work? Thank you for your courage sir cowl the fearless Jedi Knight of the Orange Fleet ah okay perfect Yes, of course we got some a baby making mo karma

1:42:40 With that extra touch of goat Can't go wrong with a little bit of goat. Let me just expand my spreadsheet here again there we go Onward to sir Stolkson the let's see what is what is his name here stoke Stolkson the oh, my god I'm sorry. I seem to have unformatted everything unsuccessfully. Oh no, it's Sir Stokes and the Plymouth Pinellas Paladin. Here we go, Moe and Adam wanted to share some personal... And they sent us $250. Thank you! We want to share some personal experiences I think could be relevant to the show always love this

1:43:25 I get this is a bit of war and peace, so if it's too long please don't feel obligated to read on the show. No we'll go through it. I'm about the same age as Adam and I am a white male. I was reared through my formative years in Massachusetts up until junior high. My family then moved to Kentucky where I finished junior high and went through high school and college. The transition period was when there was an emphasis on American history in my education. In Massachusetts being a highly academia-oriented state—yes MIT all kinds of places— Harvard. Curriculum content for that age group was about a year or two ahead of the same group in Kentucky as a result I went through the teachings of American history from 2 perspectives which turned out to be quite different and quite enlightening! In Massachusetts, I was taught the narrative

1:44:09 I love how people are using the term narrative a lot today. So perfect, I was taught that so perfect! I was taught the narrative that we hear in media today where Lincoln was the savior of the slaves interestingly interestingly in Kentucky it was taught much more what Moe is sharing an episode 50 which I think is more factually accurate this may seem somewhat counterintuitive but you might expect the South to spin story with contrary but similar bias versus what the North shared the, at least what I perceive of less biased view may be partially due to the fact that Kentucky was somewhat a somewhat of a cusp state in the Civil War period as opposed to being considered a true southern state. A perspective that lives on with many who identify slash discuss the southern states even today where Kentucky is frequently omitted from the list. The one thing that stuck with me says i've continued to monitor how the appropriation of words and symbols two shapes

1:45:01 symbols to shape people's thinking is so manipulative, yes politically motivated. It has always been troubling to me but I think it is important for people to recognize." Now he goes through a whole bunch of examples which would really take quite a long time but luckily gave us room to edit. So I'm going to edit when he says This is a long-winded way to say thanks for the content you're sharing Mo and Adam much like no agenda It confirms the perspectives I've held based on my own experiences aren't crazy as the media would have one believe And you're so right, and I feel this too. it's opened My eyes two additional contemporary things that align to what? I've learned in my youth and over time it's healthy and I've asked my children now about mo's age

1:45:42 Mmm, I don't think I could have been your dad Moe. Yeah, I think I think he's putting me at a much Much older bracket but I appreciate it Maybe your children's, maybe most children are your children's age. Anyway I've asked my children to listen to a couple of specific episodes in hopes that it will at minimum open their eyes wider and ideally help them understand more the foundation that leads me having many of my perspectives This all being in stark contrast to what they're being taught in academia, in mass holes. Yes I relocated back north for the family reasons over time. Mass holes? Mass holes! I like that thank you very much to both of you keep up the great work please de-debt me

1:46:28 Congratulations, you're no longer a deadbeat. And his show lineage is MTV PC Magazine Daily Source Code Twit Cranky Geeks No Agenda Rogan Mo Facts and good luck he says with that acronym I'm not even gonna try and he says wait wait wait did you just do this on the fly? What? Show Lineage! No he says it right here in his note I like that. It's good, isn't it? Yeah, what's your show lineage? If you got the right show lineage you might qualify for reparations down the line

1:47:08 So this is very good for anything that might have bothered you. MTV, PCMag gotcha! And he adds a note by the way Moe love your approach to what are you doing about it? I embrace a similar philosophy starting with the kids then expand from there as possible Your show is meaningful and important contribution to that and we thank you very much man That's perfect perfect perfect perfect Then we go to Stephanie Gullet $100 It says, I hope this note finds you well along with mine and my husband's $100 donation. We are no agenda listeners turned MoFax listeners the information provided on the show has been eye-opening and at times mind blowing yeah i feel just as privileged to be here myself

1:47:50 Thank you for taking the time to break down and openly discuss these complex topics. As a white female, I have longed to better understand racism from the viewpoint of my Ados brothers and sisters and gain insight as to what it is that they seek from the white community your discussion on reparations in racism today has been extremely helpful Sadly, as someone living in the Deep South these discussions are not easy to come by or have. Thanks for taking us a step in the right direction I pray our nation can heal from our wounds and unite once again! I'll take a Mo' Karma for myself my smoking hot husband and our four human resources of the Caucasian variety keep up the fantastic work and may the Lord bless you and keep you and thank you very much Stephanie and your smoking-hot husband that's highly appreciated here comes some mo karma

1:48:33 You've got Moe Conway. $100 from Yight Wybro Inc. No note that we can see, also a hundred dollars from Adam Choi who says Adam and Mo. RonaMo cult member came from RoganNoAgendaMoFacts here to pay tribute not long after listening to the Kanye episode I came across some discussion on the censorship and suppression of Kanye's recent music video for his song Wash Us in The Blood

1:49:13 While the music video is highly controversial and teeming with provocative footage and symbolism, there seems to be a concerted effort to suppress the video by YouTube. The video has been age restricted while Cardi B's WAP is not. The view count has been frozen at about 9 million views for two weeks now... ...and many people who watch a lot of videos about Kanye and Travis Scott couldn't find this video in their recommendations or sidebar. They had to manually search for it Well, I'd love to hear an analysis of all the symbolism and references in the song. I wanted to first bring up the controversy surrounding the video. I re-watched that interview where Kanye goes on a rant about woke culture and he says, "'I've been killed so many times,' and this seems like yet another attempt." Either have you heard about the issue? Also can I get a Deadbeat and Trump Pelosi jobs combo?"

1:50:02 You are crossing over on that, but I think we can do that. Let me see Congratulations you're no longer a deadbeat you wanna Well, I find the Pelosi Trump jobs karma sure I'm gonna say is so suppressed. I haven't even heard this video Really? That's yeah, really. That's why I'm like what video uh... Yeah, i'm gonna have to go look at that because I mean I have a lot of Kanye in my playlist and it should be recommended you would think especially when

1:50:40 That should be something that would be suggested to me. I think i'm at the right age level, my proper age level and interest so yeah they're definitely suppressing this But that's also weird because you're a Kanye aficionado You follow him Wow, well I know. I want a full report next time. I haven't seen the video yet. Hey, Imma have to go look it up soon as the show is over. I'm gonna have to see what's going on here! Alright... There might be another rabbit hole Here you go Adam Choi Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs Jobs and jobs Let's vote for jobs! There ya'go And thankyou very much for supporting this show Ann Neiman $100 as well No notes Storm Williams

1:51:27 $100. Thank you Adam and Moe, you are really helping people. People got to do the work, you gotta propagate the formula And that is our last executive producer for episode number 51. Now we go to our associate executive producers at $52, we have DHSlammaTheGod who says I made a clerical error last episode and did 49 dollar club member donation to episode 50 because my pod player didn't show episode 50 when i returned the value! I thought about giving one dollar to compensate but didn't want to burden the team of accountants in the back office so here's an extra dollar for show 51

1:52:04 The show 51, club number, club member to make up for my error. Don't worry it will make you whole on the back end." Okay we have no problem with you DH Slammer the guy We got it You're in! You are an episode number member for sure And thanks also to Joe Baudry $51.80 Mo and Adam thank you for helping me do the work beyond my history learnings Well that's... Beyond your history? It's pretty much all of the work Episode 50 was a real eye-opener about what I had missed out in my education. I appreciate the lessons, and have already hit a friend in the mouth and would appreciate more karma and a dee dead beating love and light says Joe Congratulations You're no longer a deadbeat You've got

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1:53:49 Episode 50 at 2 hours 30 minutes and 30 seconds. Mo brings up the welfare state and no man in the house, been around since the 40s 50s and 60s and no one is asking how do we get men back in the house? Mo, you suggest the possibility that the powers-that-be don't want a man in the home as it feeds to the prison industrial complex. I'd like to suggest an alternative possibility in 2020 men and women can give birth to children biological men and young women are participating in women's sports and so on any objection to any of these views is hate speech

1:54:25 Is it now transphobic to suggest that a child needs a man in the home or they need a father in their life? Well, I wouldn't say its transphobic but for sure its being pushed against hard. No one could have known it in the 40s when they push men out of the home that 80 years later we'd be redefining what it means to be a man-woman father Have the less views on gender and trans issues painted themselves into a corner where they cannot advocate for men in the home lest they be labeled transphobic or sexist? Josh Jackson. I'll take that, Josh! I'll answer that No! Uh...I don't think that's the problem at all They literally do not want men in their homes to this day And they don't want men in the movement and they don't want men anywhere but apparently shutting up as a martyr symbol How'd I do Moe

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1:56:01 The quote, seek to understand then to be understood that Mo said a couple episodes back has really stuck with me. Thank you guys again for everything you do and will continue to do can I get some mo karma please keep doing the work and stay safe out there Shane McLaughlin from the rural outskirts of Pennsylvania yes of course we got some mo karma for you. You've got... Yes, Mo? And that is not my quote. That is Kovey from Seven Habits of Highly Effective People which people should definitely try to incorporate in their lives. And that's a good read too you can get software for it and everything It's fantastic Right $51 another club member for John Taylor says making me feel its time for reparations! He has got some emojis there that didn't translate into the spreadsheet but I'm sure they were good

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1:57:48 truly the Lord's work you're doing here. Wish it was mandatory listening in schools, keep up the outstanding efforts the country no really the world needs you to keep this going thank you both I'm off to find some butter biscuits right now oh does that mean he wants a butter biscuit? We could give him a butter biscuit. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday And if you're homeschooling or if you know someone who is homeschooling, why don't you recommend MOFAX with Adam Curry? The parents can easily review it first before they let their kids listen. But a lot of them and a lot of home schoolers are sharing this with their children. Whoever thought for myself, I'm like VJ and now this.

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2:01:03 You're absolutely right, Curtis. I cannot be sitting here and saying you need to use it for homeschooling when i'm the one that is cussing the most I will do the work even better. I apologize for that and I think I said it here in this episode too, so apologies, I'll get better." And his second donation for the same amount he says, Here's to schooling and ruling much love may you both experience more abundance and grace. We are blessed ever since we started doing this show, The blessings have just been fantastic. Aaron Brown $15 says thanks for a great podcast. Been listening since I saw Adam on Joe Rogan Over the pandemic I've gone back and listened to all the past episodes. Keep up the great work, and can i get a Mo Karma? Of course you can! You've got... Mo Karma?!

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2:02:38 All this time every single same number for one. Yeah, well We're giving we're given the 411 and that concludes our all of our supporters for episode number 51 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry and thank you so much is beautiful to see To see everyone supporting the show and supporting the work and doing the work themselves And really when you send those notes about how it's impacted you or your family or your life? That's I would say that's what Mo and I talk about the most offline. It's like, man can you believe this? Something is actually... we're making some kind of difference! It's starting.

2:03:18 And not only them, but they want their kids to hear us. Which that is... That's mind-blowing to me I'm blown away by that and now I'll say this if somebody wants to do some value and make some clean edits of our show we can't go back in a time machine and correct anything that may be out there But maybe somebody can do the value of that Or even better How about this? If you catch it, if you catch one that like in this episode I don't know where it was. Write down the time code send it to me and I'll do a re-edit and I can re-edit all of these and put them back up. I wouldn't mind... That's important to me because well exactly what you said we need this to be able to be taught in school

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2:05:01 So I know I've harped a lot about on the sentiment that people want it separate but equal or there's a good portion of people that want it separate but equal. Now, I need to put up or shut up so I'm ready to put up all right? I have these clips from a couple gentlemen and then a couple leaders followed in saying following this gentleman speaking and one of them is this the first gentleman is a teacher from Farmville Virginia And he's going to speak about his specific experiences with the Board of Education, and he's actually from Farmfield Virginia where Brown versus Board of Education had a big roll in. So I guess we can get into separate but equal one. When I first heard about integration and heard that it may possibly one day be the way things would go, I had very mixed feelings about it

2:05:57 I was no more anxious to mingle with white people than, I'm sure many of them were anxious to mingle with me. I felt the same reservations and prejudices as any of them felt so I was not at all thrilled over the prospect But as time went on, I began to realize that possibly this was after all the only way that the terrible injustices could be somewhat alleviated. And so more and more began to favor the idea of integration but i think many black people felt just as they did they really didn't want any parts white people They would have preferred if it were... You know? I've often thought If separate but equal had been a reality you'd never had a

2:06:47 an integration struggle. Isn't it interesting how if you just let people know where do black and white men come together? Sports, sports at a bar you know we're hanging out the minute you force it is like why Whereas that's where friendships are made. The friendships are made in the casual sense, at least that's my experience. And when you let down your... everybody has reservations and the reservations really come from

2:07:29 The media and what you think, you know about somebody how can you know about somebody if you don't know a person? So it's self-feeding and as he said He had prejudices to sell. And the reason why this is such a big deal to me These are things I've heard older people say is like we had and it's not about not being around other people What you have to understand When they shipped my dad off to his school, the school that he left from ended. Oh yeah! Closed down! Yeah! That's so... His children didn't get a chance to go to his alma mater you know? His children didn't get to play for high school football who we played high school football for These things have real life impacts and then you just jam people together which

2:08:23 Just jamming people together in any sense of the process is negative because you're forcing people to be together. And I want to say this, This is the portion where we might get labeled as segregationists or blah, blah, blah. But we don't care because what we're trying to do is foster how can we be segregationist when we're doing an integrated podcast? I mean come on people put your head up but we came together cause we wanted to talk to each other it's like you know what you have a interesting perspective I have an interesting perspective let's have a conversation about it and guess what

2:09:02 People want to hear it. We didn't say all this coming this season, you know Black versus white what will he say? It's a crime pro contra what yeah exactly is coffee and cream Every Macca and Jacka here at ya No, it's not that we actually talk more about what we have in common than the things that divide us. And you fill in a lot of gaps for me and hopefully I'll fill in a lot of gaps for you on our side... What is the number one thing? The number one thing that I think always connects us are families and our kids We don't talk about them on the air but believe me, we're like stupid kids man can't believe this kid That's the kind of stuff we talk about

2:09:49 And the fear of where we see this thing headed. I mean, you hit on a key point there. I got to give you one of those because you get on a key point what is the world going to be that our kids inherit if we keep on this same cycle that were headed? Where does it end? Are you gonna race me? Are you gonna race Adam? I mean like or are we going to be so our my kids are gonna Be so racially charged up and your soul racially charged up it. They're anxious around each other can't have a conversation No, we need to tell what we're trying to tear down these things that put up to divide us Integration wasn't really for the bring us together was really too

2:10:37 to erase one other, or both. I mean if you have sinister you want to get to it but yeah um and we're handing for straight straight from these people's mouths and let me not stand in the way... And i will say one thing doesn't this guy sound like Red Fox? Yes he does very much very much like red fox that's good! Yeah i just wanted to say that but um let's get back into it Let's get into clip number two. Black people would have been, I think would have been very very satisfied to maintain but just make sure it's equal and that's where the problem play. RR Moten High School a joke man with a couple of tar paper shacks which were unsightly and compared to Farmville high school you know this is their idea separate but equal

2:11:30 books so torn apart. In one case, a friend of mine who was supposed to teach chemistry man the only books he could get he had shreds and particles and pieces of books by linking up in his classroom he passed out what By linking up together, the kids were then able to get enough material. These books had been discarded by the white high school some years before and passed on to black schools. Now this points out the weakness and corruption of the principal who was black. This teacher friend of mine not knowing a chain of commands, brand new teacher went to superintendent said look what I've got work with how can i teach chemistry with this junk? And immediately he got

2:12:19 Brand-new set of books for his classroom now the point this is that principle could also have done that but It was better for the principal to report a surplus at the end. That happened. Oh gosh That's like not lame so typically He was so indoctrinated with fear that he wouldn't even go ask for the resources that he needed. So, he would seem like a good principal and that he was doing his job. So what was your job? We really have to ask these questions and like I said, I don't want to make this agenda, not agenda but generational war but in certain circumstances we have to ask is this the best deal you could've gotten

2:13:12 I mean, like serious. Think about this there's books and i'll say this the problem with this is if the so-called white people are earmarking money aside and having books available And nobody has come picking them up what does that look like to them? Yeah it's like you don't want our folks who just don't care yeah So then it feeds into the narrative that, oh yeah they don't want to do better. And then here this guy all he's got to do is ask for books and he can get them but he's on I'll let our kids just scraps! I mean scraps my like i said My dad told me that...I had to hear from this gentleman..my dad would say they would have to go to school like a week early and help the teachers put the books together

2:13:57 Together yeah pages missing go look for you know this or that you know we not all books whole sections come out They would have to like mend them back together and yet and still the resources were there So this is the bullet gatekeepers. This is why I harp so hard on the bullae they say what they think their Keepers want to hear mm-hmm, it's like yes a boss. You know oh yeah, well no one no books boss We doing fine over here but At the at the detriment of the children they supposed to be represented but that that mode That's gotta be trauma historical trauma that people have grown up with to think that way I wouldn't say historical trauma because when we did the Corona episode remember the higher-ups. Yeah, they were saying why you putting them on a ventilator? It's cuz this what higher ups said and yeah Why are you doing this cuz what the higher it's not even I'm about saying that's not part of it right but just

2:14:58 keep status quo a hierarchical system. A lot of people go along, yeah they just go well what I don't want to make any waves i don't want you know that's no ventilator killing people but that's what the germans said in uh in the late 30s we didn't know we're just following orders and then you see where it can head yeah and you could see where ahead that sometimes you have to question these things sometimes you have to question What's the motive here? Yeah. Why don't you want to go get books, but let's wrap up with the last A clip from this gentleman from Farmville. I could cite you no instance in farm village same kind of thinking it's better to report a surplus at the end of the year thus protecting myself make myself the fair boy downtown then to go down and ask for materials that absolutely desperately need about children

2:15:54 just to pass and look at the physical plants would have told you what a fallacy, what a joke, what a hoax Separate but Equal was. There's no way in the world that any reasonable person could compare Moulton High School as I said a small brick building maybe four maybe five classrooms supplemented by two tar paper shacks which were ugly and unsightly there's no way in the world you could have compared that with Farmville high school Look, at Moton the outlying buildings were heated by wood stoves. And one of the teachers in addition to teaching classes in addition to driving a school bus had an additional responsibility of keeping fires going in these buildings. At White High School they had a janitor you know I mean disparity was

2:16:47 You know, just ridiculous. It was absolutely no separate but equal. It was separate alright and very unequal I foresaw...I thought that it might come to bloodshed And i wondered if it were worth it for any single person to die for something like that As I said my thing had always been separate but equal But truly equal in a meaningful sense And I'll comment on this that, you know we laugh about the platinum deal. But I do like President Trump's idea of school choice where

2:17:25 the parent will be able to determine where the money goes to which school and I presume you could do homeschooling, whatever it is you want to do. The parent will decide not the municipality not the local school district and also really puts the school system on notice. I really like that! And i'm sure it has to go through Congress You know he could do in executive order but now that has to going into law. I don't see a lot of Democrats jumping up-and-down about it actually when I think about it But I really like that. How you gonna indoctrinate the children? That's counterproductive to the indoctrination! It's like, hey we gotta get them through this narrative over here and i missed the point of pointing this out but early in the show the narrative is you were a slave honest A frees you Dr King got your silver rights right that's it that's all they ever want to teach you

2:18:20 And stop there. And stop there, and stop there that's all you need to know You got enough information now Because everything after that is, oh we're still striving for integration. We're still striving for integration... That's why I'm not against the idea of integration. I'm against the point of it being this solution to our problem and only we can solve our problem no matter how you can have the platinum plan, you could have the rhodium plan, you could have the iced out bling-bling plan unless black people become independent and solve problems for themselves.

2:18:57 and build their own, it won't work. It will not work because it's just like when you have children until a child goes out and builds his own house and builds its own family everything else they could be successful in your house I mean like in the career but there still gonna be something lacking then that's the point I want to make now do you need a start of money? Every venture capitalist know we need our VC thats what this whole atonement is about not build the corporation or the structure for us, but you do need funding. You do need a proper schools. You know? You need to stop the narrative and I want to say one more thing before we continue on is not...I was beating up on the principal little bit but it continues to this day parents know themselves right now. I think that last year well when he had to school supplies this year, but last year my kids had to bring 24 glue sticks to school

2:19:57 Every child in class, what are y'all doing eating the glue sticks? I mean what is for lunch But we know what that is. Is you bring enough for the parents that won't have it See that because the press was too scared to go downtown and say I need some more glue sticks Exactly. So what they do is they put the snack burden onto the parents, they put the glue sticks and paper and pencils in their hand sanitizers... And then ask for more glue sticks halfway through the year! I'm like hold on 20 kids times 24 glue sticks come on that's almost 500 roughly almost 500 glue sticks

2:20:44 You need more, but like I'm saying that's just passing the ball. I don't want to be the teacher or I don't want to be the principal expert no too much and then you wonder why people don't want to send their kids to these schools? And we will be doing a school choice episode and I didn't wanna make this a rehash of Brown versus Boarder education but what i'm saying is people in general would rather, would prefer to be independent. And even if you know what? Rather than live in somebody else's mansion I'd rather build me a two bedroom home on my own. Yes and I would like to add that the School Choice Now Act was introduced July 22nd by Senator Tim Scott

2:21:41 And since we got a voting season coming up, let me tell you who the co-sponsors are. Lamar Alexander Ted Cruz John Cornyn Kelly Loeffler Marco Rubio Todd Young Kevin Kramer and James Lankford those are the those as the sponsors I believe they're all Republican so this is in the Senate So far it's only been introduced. I don't think it has come to the floor yet, so its good that the president is pushing that but you know there a lot of help is going to be needed It basically just being pushed off to the sideline for now until whatever important stuff happens And there have been a lot of good charter schools formed especially by black men in these underserved communities We have the proof

2:22:35 If you allow them to not go to schools, that affects the teachers union which impacts very deep pockets. I'll just leave it at that. The teacher's union basically just financed the rebuilding of LaGuardia Airport Wow. I heard you say that, and I was like... Yeah? Yeah! I heard it. I was like what?! Yeah, I think we could have done some other things but okay that's fine And i'll say this and imma save some of this for the school choice but teachers unions don't even protect teachers because they didn't protect my father now just leave it at that yeah I hear ya It's not even about the teachers I mean like most unions are not about the people they're supposed to be built for

2:23:21 But that was the southern perspective since he was from Farmville, Virginia. So now we have this other gentleman Mr Robert Woodson He was a CEO and founder of the National Center for Enterprise. Ah Bob Woodson I like Bob Woodson. He's a cool guy Okay so well Let's listen to clip one. restaurant owners, the undertaker everybody in the neighborhood and it was a very small street working. Everybody worked blue collar essentially very close-knit neighborhood everyone had over four children

2:24:09 We played in the streets together. On Saturday morning, our parents came out and the hucksters came around and our parents purchased things we had to go buy ice because there were no refrigerators then we had a coal stove so younger kids were responsible for putting wood and coal into the stove and keeping it going And the level of interest in education was just profound. I mean, even to this day, I don't think that I've ever had such a positive educational experience as I did my first six years because school was an integral part of the community. We had a black superintendent, black principal all the teachers were black many of them didn't live in the neighborhood either contrary to popular belief they were middle-income people who lived elsewhere but their hearts and their souls are into those kids as you heard it was an integral part

2:25:07 When you're amongst your own, and I'll be honest with you about this. We were lower middle class but i didn't know it because when you're around your own social economic status like people of the same socioeconomic status You don't realize how poor you are It was only when you go to college, or you know and be around real rich people that you say oh okay yeah my life sucks. No I'm kidding but it's like wow like i remember um just as a quick aside I met this guy when I fresh out of college and we were working together and we're roughly the same age

2:25:54 And he was like, yeah my family owns a house down here and we have a boat there and the boat at the beach house. I'm like hold on y'all got two boats? Like you don't take the boat with you to eat no they left it...I mean my mind couldn't- I mean i understood wealth and things of that nature but actually to meet somebody but his grandfather was like a state senator or something like that Well, that's interesting because when I was growing up and i'm talking Kensington Maryland in the late 60s. And I think it was pretty consistent everywhere I've lived It was all kind of the same but there was always that one family who had the house on the corner That was bigger than you know and then everyone was always weird and you wouldn't actually go talk to them You wouldn't necessarily play with them

2:26:54 I'm just realizing that. I don't know if it really pertains to what we're talking about, but that's how I grew up. We had those families too but i'm just saying at least there was some likeness in the wealth level you meet people that are millionaires and multi-millionaires yeah and you were barely like...I mean it makes you look at yourself and look down on yourself And this is part of, this is another damaging effect. Ascending kids off into such a disparity and what we call the racial web gap I mean when you start to see that it's like wow like

2:27:35 They have real money. I mean, because this is a phenomenon called hood rich. I don't know if you ever heard of hood rich and all enough we've ever discussed hood rich on the show. I can imagine what it means yeah? Right so hood riches basically if you can pay all your bills and got some other things that you want to take a few vacations You're considered rich amongst your peers. And I don't wanna make like a hood thing, but that's what it is! But then when you meet real rich people? Like... Real real rich people is like wow and it makes you- It has an effect on your self esteem. It really does because its very jarring. Well enter one other factor that uh.. People deal with today and thats social media

2:28:22 Everyone is trying to have that look, you know if you're sewing a Gucci patch on and photoshopping it so it looks real You know what? You're doing it for. You're doing it for all these same reasons It's really pathetic and destructive when you think about it. It's called conspicuous consumption That's one of their biggest problems Our youth have. White, black yellow red all youth by the way this is not a color thing at all because when they did the rioting and one of the first doors they hit Gucci Louis exactly

2:29:03 So this is the real problem that these children are having and then they see it on social media, and a phenomenon like my Sweet 16 parties. These things start to creep over into society and it creates a real problem where if you know who you are and where you're from and around people that your peers or your father's around his peers It's a little bit more healthy for your mentality I'll just leave it there. But let's get back to Bob Woodson and we're strong too. Up until 1959, 78% of all black families had a man and woman in them that's a fact teen pregnancy was looked down upon sexual activity among kids everyone bragged about it no one did it

2:29:59 But if someone became pregnant, if there was an aunt in the south they would go there. So that the moral standards and ethical standards for people living in those communities were extremely high It had little to do with your income. Many of us were poor without realizing that we were poor, the discipline was in the community I mean you didn't speak back to an adult The thought of a elderly person being disrespected was just unheard-of And teachers were never disrespected. If you misbehaved, you would be spanked by a neighbor and if your mother got home or father got home, you'd get spanked there and God forbid that teacher should ever have to send for your parents. They had to take off work

2:30:47 That was it. And so, it imposed a kind of discipline and again It was a discipline that had little to do with how much money you made There was a sense of comfort, a sense of well-being A sense of oneness between the school and the community Wow, remember teachers would spank you too back in when I was a kid? Yeah! Teachers would spank you. Could you imagine that now? Uh-uh... uh-uh... no And then the other thing he said was um That it had a certain comfort I want to be honest with you just a little background I mean because a lot of people don't know a lot about me But I lived in an enclave of black people in a small North Carolina town where

2:31:32 The only white man we saw on a consistent basis until maybe I went to preschool was the insurance man. And he would come around and it was like, who's this guy? No, I'm serious! So you-I was incubated in this my own culture And then I still went off to preschool, elementary school and then that is still you know. I came back to the neighborhood and it was cousins, aunts friends...and then i moved to Durham and we lived in a black suburb. It was like the lower middle class suburb but yet it was still a suburb there were a lot of working-class Black people

2:32:17 So you went to school and you dealt with school, and then you come home. And then you had interaction with people of your own." Then I went to a black... historically black college on HBCU. My first year actually, I went to a white university. It was so jarring to me! It was so-I mean, I'm serious. What is this? That I only went to school four days a week and I would be back in my hometown on Thursday nights Because it was just, it wasn't I had anything against anybody because in high school. I had a good set of mixed friends but it was what I was lacking It was now the cultural things and then when I went to HBCU that kind of restored for me But like I said when you throw these people into these

2:33:08 quote-unquote Integrated situations they have a lot of psychological effect on people. No kidding now, I think this that's Not I don't think people care to understand it I mean when I say that the people is making decisions It is like all we fix we fix racism not onto next problem. It's like no you made it worse But I'm sorry for them missing long story but I'm just saying that I think I was the last probably generation that grew up like that, to be honest with you. Where it wasn't a lot of integrated living amongst your community. You're probably right!

2:33:58 Because I think white flag stopped being a thing too. I think that's part of it because, i'll be honest with you when we used to move on certain like the third house we lived in and Durham when we moved there all my dad said watch all the for sale signs gonna come up really and damnit seriously he called it and that was kind of a rude awakening I was 13 years old, my dad prepared me for it. But it was not in a negative way but like this is how it goes and lo and behold for sale sign for sales but on the flip side of that you had a lot of black people that were looking to live amongst black people so kind of it worked out because... And did you see the neighborhood change? The neighborhood changed over time just in color I mean social economic status

2:34:48 Yeah, we had a black doctor. We had a black guy that worked at IBM. My dad was- my mom was social worker teacher. We had some people that work you know um... That worked uh.. You know doing like construction, those kind of things. So it was a nice hodgepodge I guess I lived the charm like I'm be honest with you I lived that charm black life and to be honest with you I wouldn't change a thing about it. But so the term there goes the neighborhood It was actually true completely true but that was the difference because as you said when people came to visit from your house it was like my dad's like we got to keep our grass cut

2:35:33 You know, um... Because you didn't want to be that neighborhood, right? I mean you didn't want to be that neighbor. Well that was the same where we lived. We had to do the same of course You wanna keep your grass cut and you'd be a douchebag on the block. No but he wanted to get there first because he didn't wanna fit into the stereotype So thats the thing that you are consciously or even subconsciously not wanting to live up to that slum title that we talked about earlier in this show Cause that is a real thing like i told you And I know i'm kind of dragging this out but black people for instance When I was growing up, you couldn't go anywhere not ironed. That just didn't happen and you had to have lotion on, you had to be clean, had to have your hair combed... These were the things! That was exactly the same for me and I heard my mom many times say we don't want the neighbors to think dot-dot-dot-dot. I don't want anyone to think dot-dot-dot-dot. So that's kind of across the board

2:36:38 No, but what I'll say now... What I was getting to is and I said that- I think I told this story before. I'll tell it again short form But now when I go to school events my kids went to a highly populated Hispanic high population of Hispanic kids they would be like we were They would be pressed down and like you see the other kids coming in, shirt tail hanging out all wrinkly but they had that same thing. Like we don't want to live up to what people think the stereotype is of us I think we've gotten so super comfortable um that's where you hear the natural hair argument right? Right

2:37:17 So, I guess we can just go right into part three. Yeah this last part of Bob Many of us who exercise leadership in the civil rights movement in the early and mid 60s integration was never our goal We never saw integration as a solution to the problems. We were seeking desegregation And I think confusion on that point has continued to erode the collective self-confidence of the black community today. Just a very confusion, you see when I fought against de jure segregation that is when someone absolutely forbid me to go into a restaurant or live in a given housing complex, I was just restricted by law. I remember when I was discharged from the military

2:38:04 coming home in 1958 and standing in Florida, only person at a ticket window and have the man stop and wait on the white person. He waited on ten white people while I was standing there. In the meantime, I almost missed the train and couldn't check my bags. That's what I fought against-the indignity of America's apartheid system. So integration was never an issue for me or for many others I like Bob Woodson and he left the civil rights movement for all the, you know what he saw was happening. Now like we were talking earlier about the guy who sounded like John Brennan from the CIA which was Davis do you know who Bob Woodson i'm just now realizing sounds like? Who? Ben Carson if you slow him down a little bit you slow him down just a tad He's got almost like the lisp... let me play it a little bit

2:39:07 And I think confusion on that point has continued to erode the self. This is him younger too, so this is 1989, so it might even sound more like him now. Yeah and only bring that up because You can see, you know it's the milieu. It's the people he may be hanging out with which for me is really good news I already like Ben Carson because you know if i need someone to separate some Chinese twins that's a guy and President Trump likes him and he's running Housing & Urban Development Hmm, so he's doing stuff with Tim Scott. And so I think you know that gives me even greater confidence I like that. I like hearing him that he sounds like Bob Woodson as shallow as that may be on my part

2:39:53 No, it matters because like you said you could tell a lot about how people speak by what company keep yeah so yeah that is a very valid point and I want to file this clip away because He made it. So clear what they were fighting against. Yeah, he wasn't in integration It was desegregation. Yep, and as it's a huge difference difference when you sit here saying When you need to get your ticket, you know checked And it's like next and you're standing right here, and he said to the white person next Next next is like don't you see me here as a human right? Because there are certain things that you know over time we could build but we still have do you have access too But I mean that's the as you heard over and over again, and these not running into people These are people that were no in in the time of saying this is what we want and hopefully I can

2:40:51 Calm the generational war between the black boomers and the black Millennials because that is a real thing Yeah, because they were like how stupid were you to try to know get out spit on to get coffee in a pie? And then other side like kid You know have no idea and they're like look at y'all. You know we had to go through real segregation Y'all are whining about safe spaces, basically. You know what I mean? So if you remove that barrier between those two you can have a conversation intraracially that would provide much-needed transfer of knowledge between the two groups. I think this is where all the problem came when spanking ended Moe

2:41:37 That's when the kids got out of school. There was a lot of people and that was a big thing in the black community because I remember hearing that conversation was going like, oh they're gonna what take what? take who out of school right so it was like yeah so that was it but yes definitely spankings uh and then that ventured over then you can't spank your kids at school I mean at home and then oh no I'm sure these days if your kid goes to my daddy spanked me do you get a call from child protective services pretty much right So yeah, so that's that's the real thing. So now we get into the problematic I'll get a trigger one Yeah Do you have to do it? I have two I Have to give a trigger warning for these next four or five clips are gonna play cuz he's gonna Making sure people are ready like you got to brace yourself Warning

2:42:32 Okay, we're ready. We're ready for the trigger and we only bring this out when we go heavy so every show race for impact It's about to get deep 32. Separation is done voluntarily by two equals. You never refer to the Oriental community in which Orientals live exclusively as a segregated community because they live there voluntarily, everything there is controlled by them-the economy, the politics, the civic organizations but the Negro community is referred to as a segregated community

2:43:23 because Negroes are forced to live in that community contrary to their will and they don't control the businesses of their community, they don't control the politics of their community nor their social life. Malcolm? Yeah we got a two for him so what he's saying basically is just going back to the... He speaking in real time about the projects and how people were forcing the slums by not having any other options. And that's why he was saying it is not separation because we didn't choose it, which now I'm going to say this Elijah Muhammad is going to shape this next three speakers minds and he was very big on being self-reliant build your own have your own and you really can't talk about him now for several reasons but

2:44:16 As we do, we take away the positive from people when we leave. We don't subscribe to everybody's whole lexicon of thoughts. We pluck out things that will work or things that need to be discussed." So he was the mentor to Malcolm X and the next two speakers but this is another part of the generational issue. Black people now... Young black Kids now not kids but young adults can't fathom Not being able to start your own business because now it's a global market whatever you want, you can just order it and you could set up shop on the internet or Even if a storefront right? Yeah, cuz we getting things straight from China

2:45:11 straight from you know other, you know other foreign countries. At this time you didn't have that luxury if you didn't know somebody and knew somebody and knew somebody you could easily be shut down So that's the other generational gap is now... But if I can suggest that as also education problem because you know it was certainly from my perspective you know you hear about segregation it pretty much boils down to school water fountain and toilet. You know the other stuff is never discussed like oh that sucks and they and as a kid I remember thinking water fountain well he's that weird? No, actually the fact that

2:46:04 taught Confronted me. I never thought about it and then I got weirded out by everyone's mouth on the water fountain I didn't want to drink water out of the water found at all It was like man look how many people are on that not color, but just how many people are using it all But that's all there was toilet water fountain and school, and there was a lot of imagery to reinforce those three things. You never hear about entrepreneurialism. The success stories were equally as limited to the full scope of what was possible, what people did, and what segregation really was, and what success stories there were of people who broke through that is so limited in what I learned.

2:46:51 And then the other thing is that before, like I said if you wanted to start a business you had to go through so many ropes and you know had to know somebody. Know somebody. Know somebody. You need to have the suppliers but now see this is the gift and curse of a country like China. Yeah or globalism. Globalism...I mean what I mean yeah but we know where a lot of these products come from That opens the door to say you know what I don't have to deal within this country anymore. I can go straight there buy it for one sell for two right which really furthest capitalism You think about it totally now because you have it's about competition and A lot of things also is about ideas so It's now look at us

2:47:48 We couldn't do this show 50 years ago, even if we want to. Even if we had the will or maybe 60 years ago, we couldn't put the show together because you had to get on a broadcast or radio I mean... You were a pirate radio. I mean, you know about being locked out of an industry. Yeah totally! No, just saying so imagine that if you're trying to open a storefront and that kind of thing And then the other thing that I'll say this finally And this is a big one, and I know you're kind of against them but credit karma. and the understanding of credit itself. When you got your credit report in the 80s and 70s, I didn't know what the hell was going on on it! You know? It's like... What is this?! Well, I mean usually i pay my bills. Yeah well sadly Credit Karma is intended only to enslave everyone all children of all ages more by making you behave in certain ways

2:48:47 credit. It's a very, very evil situation that is going on there. But for a lot of people this is the first understanding of how your behaviors impact your credit. That's true. So I'm saying a lot of this stuff they're building we could turn around and use against them if you know how to game the system and trust me I know how they game the credit score system now, not in a negative way but just in oh that's what this turn is dialed turn this knob oh that makes it jump from 10 points good nice you know that kind of thing. Yeah I guess where I'm coming from is I would prefer that we teach our children

2:49:34 You don't necessarily have to, you know there's... To me a credit card or you know credit is reverse spending. Reverse saving I'm sorry, reverse saving instead of... I remember saving up stuff! You're saving up because there was no real credit cards and your kids didn't have credit cards it was none of that That's why our generation I mean I know we understand a little gap between ours but We understand the digital, but we're based in analog thought. Yeah for sure and what I mean by that is you pay your bills on time you save money that kind of thing yeah i'm not saying don't do away with that That's why it's harmful to children or young adults because they're not based in that reality right It's just a game to them now You just hear two American dads yapping on at a podcast? That's what you hearing now Damn kids

2:50:27 Yeah, no. I'm just saying that is that's why you need fathers in the house to teach them the principles of hey this is the way it is This is the way it works Okay now how can you use that as a tool to your benefit? Okay You know so and usually things are taught you and use these things into your benefit but I mean like I said I've gone off on a tangent long enough but Now we have a new Malcolm X, that last one was from Throwback Show 20. A throwback clip and I want to expound on that or let Malcolm expound on it more about integration isn't dignity Dr King's goals are quite different from yours he believes in integration complete integration of society if integrate no well that is where Dr King is mixed up

2:51:18 His goal should be the solution of the problem of the black man in America. Now, not integration. Integration is a method toward obtaining that goal and what the Negro leader has done is gotten himself wrapped up in the method and he's forgotten what the goal is The goal is dignity of the black man in America. He wants respect as a human being, he wants recognition as a human being Now if integration will get him that all right! If segregation will get him that all right! If separation will get him that...all right But after he gets integration and still doesn't have this dignity and this uh recognition as a human being then his problem is still not solved Well isn't this exactly what Dr King is looking towards? And that is the day when the Negro would be treated with dignity wasn't it after all

2:52:07 the result of the Montgomery bus boycott? No, because I don't think you can... having an opportunity to ride either on the front or the back or in the middle of someone else's bus doesn't dignify you. When you have your own bus, yeah, right on! When you have your own school, you have dignity when you have your own country, you have dignity when you have something of your own, you have dignity but whenever you are begging for a chance to participate in that which belongs to someone else or use that which belongs to someone else on an equal basis with the owner That's not dignity, that's ignorance I'm now realizing that throughout my life, I've heard Malcolm X's example. Any black man who would talk about the black man...I always kind of presumed it just means all black people but now iIm kind of learning it actually is specifically about black men! Yeah because we shaped the minds

2:53:04 of our children. Very unpopular thing to say in today's woke culture, Moe! Very unpopular for you or me to say... And? No, I mean that's me. I'm not saying it to you i'm saying that to them and yeah Yes, I guess I got teaching my children to have dignity. I'm teaching my children to have your own yes I'm an employer but I don't want my children to work for anybody right now You know, I told my daughter I was like look you wanna start your own business? Actually i'm talking to a couple producers uh other show they have The private labeling stuff to get my daughter's six, about to be 17 years old. Get her feet wet into a private labeling and starting our own business. You know it's about dignity at the end of the day and that's what's missing from our... And people want to say in a way of pull up your pants blah blah blah blah blah no self-respecting man will have his ass shown excuse my language I'm sorry but have is butt showing in the first place if you had dignity about yourself

2:54:05 Because you don't want to turn yourself into a spectacle. It's not, that's a symptom of the problem. Just like Malcolm said integration is a method it's not the goal. Yeah that's a good one. A ding for Malcolm so true That's what I mean but until we and now people say that the Gucci reparations argument right? And if they blow it so be it but now you don't have an excuse anymore Now what you gonna blame it on? Yeah, so the- Now what you gonna be a victim to. The Gucci reparation argument is essentially what I got from Hotep Jesus and he said... So let's say there were reparations now forget the monolith part which you know He said all black people just blow it on Gucci It'll go to Gucci anyway And of course there's going to be a percentage of people who do that but you're absolutely right that their choice

2:55:08 Now you have to look at them like adults because, you know what? We remedied your problem. We've atoned and I'm saying this the white people now This is the beauty of reparations or atonement Like I like to call it because reparations is from the person who wants to be repaired You're asking you're asking hey repair me repair me If you want to atone, that's coming from the person that needs to atone with the person they've done wrong. It's like, you know what? As a country we've done you wrong here is exhibit A B C D right so okay here We were toned now You can't bring it like just like when you people know when somebody pays a settlement in the case You can't come back and keep saying all your ruin my life No I've settled with you

2:55:55 Now, if you took the money and went to Vegas and blew it that's your problem. It's not my problem so I'm saying is atonement and that's why i'm gonna keep calling this from the point of let's put this race crap behind us give people where they can strive for their own dignity And if one out three people blow the money So be it If two out of three blow the money So Be It Because you can look at the one out of three that didn't blow the money and say, yo. You know what? What's different between you and them now we can get to the real problem right it's probably because she didn't have a father home yeah it's probably cause yourself for low self-esteem in victimization mentality let's get let's get to the real root of the problem that's why I call it Atonement I'm sorry I'm sorry but I get charged up about this because

2:56:47 at the end of the day, well I'll let Muhammad Ali tell you. You understand? I understand, yeah. I just...I do understand. I think it's sad that... It ain't sad because I want my child to look like me! Every intelligent person wants his child to look like him. I'm sad because I wanna blight out my race and lose my beautiful identity?! Chinese love Chinese! They love the little slanted-eyed pretty brown skinned babies.

2:57:31 Hispanics love their culture. Jewish people love their culture, a lot of Catholics don't want to marry another Catholic they want the religion to stay the same who wanna spot up yourself and kill your race? You are hate of your people if you don't wanna state who you are. You shame what God made you? God didn't make no mistake when he made us all like we were I think that's a philosophy despair Despair! What?! Number one came over me Listen, no woman on this whole earth not even a black woman in Muslim countries can please me and cook for me and socialize And talk to me like my American black woman. No woman at last is a white woman Can really identify with me and my feelings in the way I act and we are taught

2:58:12 And you can't take no Chinese man and give him no Puerto Rican woman, and holler about we in love. And you emotionally in love physically but really they're not happy because she's going to hear some Puerto Rican music he's gonna hear some Chinese music. And it will be clashing all the time! It's just nature... You can do what you want but its nature to want to be with your own I want to be with my own. I love my people, that's all. Man! I'm glad I witnessed him around while he was still alive and kicking man what Muhammad Ali what a genius And the go-to conspiratorial mind isn't it amazing they shut him up? No it's not amazing its completely understandable unfortunately

2:58:54 What I mean is like, isn't it amazing that's the way he went? And he didn't lose his physical capacities. Eventually he did but he lost his most valuable... His mind was there still! That's what really has to be... He just couldn't come out. He was trapped right and i want to say as he ended his statement do what you wanna do But when you start making people feel inferior and lack dignity, then they think well if I can join this group or that group Then I'll be okay. And you and I'm not saying this about race. No, this is in general politics It's like a lot of people are self-loathing and they're all I'm liberal I'm liberal You know because I don't want to be seen this way even though they disagree

2:59:46 They'll change their ideologies to fit so they won't be seen as, you know... or they'll betray how they were brought up. And you see that a lot. It's all insane man! You see it everywhere and not just a lot, you see it everywhere all across the spectrum. That's what really, to be honest with you, that's what irks people about Trump I'm gonna do not make it about Trump but for real Because a lot of white people, from my perspective and I'm just an outsider so that...I'm just saying what i see from the outside. A lot of people have people in their family like Trump And it's like oh god they gave them a mouthpiece! I moved to the city To straight escape them. I moved to the coast You know the flyover country They moved out into fly over country And its like Oh God My cousin is following me here

3:00:40 That is definitely true. And a lot of white people I know are embarrassed they're like that because of, and so they're kind of on the fence and they know that they really like that and they are kind of murica maga But they're embarrassed about it and depending on who they're around or where they live, they will often tone it down. I mean, it's so conflicting It's so toxic for everybody. And black people are the same way because sometimes we could be somewhere like... We loud! I'm just being tell you, we loud! Like if come to our functions, we gonna laugh and joke and be loud whatever

3:01:22 But when you're in a environment where it's not called for, or it's like you know we gotta have some... okay. We're at the bank! It's not the place to be loud. When you see it like oh my god um you know but It is what it is. I mean that's just how we are, but we got to be honest and be open to say that's what the real problem is but we want to make it some huge national concern like oh he's gonna you know ruin the democracy or whatever no He's just speaking for other half of the country y'all forgot about let's just be honest yeah But I digress and speaking on that Here's another gentleman

3:02:01 that has been pushed to the margins and from some of his views, I don't share all of his views. And like I said we just bring in clips from people that we find interesting to discuss and even a mere mention of his name would probably get us canceled so this is why value for value is so important and not to belabor the point Minister Farrakhan speaks one. And let me tell you, brothers and sisters, we have to press the government for reparations. Listen as long as you ask for a job and they don't have them these days but they can promise it You're going along to get along

3:02:57 Do you know why Elijah Muhammad put on the back page of Muhammad Speaks, we want freedom? Full and complete freedom. We want justice. We want equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all regardless of creed or class or color. We want equality of opportunity and we want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society. But then, point number four he says we believe that those of us whose parents have been here for 400 years and we believe that you offered us integration as a hypocritical trick to make us believe that our 400 year old enemy has now become our friend

3:03:47 We believe that this is the time in history for separation. You know, we could easily do an entire episode on Farrakhan just I mean and I wouldn't mind learning a bit more than I know He's a very complex individual and part of a very complex movement of the nation Islam but one thing I do respect about him is their independent financial independence mm-hmm And they tried to create their own industry and a push to create your own cash flow. Because I'll say this as a working man, the uncertainty of knowing

3:04:32 Is this my last check? What will I do, you know. And the fact...I mean me personally, I would never get caught flat-footed because I always have a plan for a plan so if it happens it happens and then I don't lose sleep over it but if that's your only means and source of financial gain is a job that's a very uncertain life and you top that with all the things we talked about on the previous 50 shows for a black person, that's one you can solve yourself. And like I said it was different for people in 1960s 1950s but even our ancestors understood that this is why they had land they asked for land there was like you know what as much lands i have i can grow more crops and much children i could have i could have children to work those crops and will make it as a family It's only that when we got caught up in the industry

3:05:34 in the industrial lifestyle that we became vulnerable because our ancestors say, you know I know how to catch fish. I know how to trap. You know what I mean? I don't know how to hunt but my grandfather taught me this. How do you build a rat box boy? You might have put a rabbit in the pot one day. This is real life! But our children are vulnerable are vulnerable because they don't have any means or have any dignity from being able to own for themselves. And you always push this, you say learn the code! Learn the code because even code that's a skill right? That skill and actually every black man over certain age

3:06:20 They might do something for a job, but also have another skill. Like my dad's skill was painting. My uncles we had bricklayers we had concrete guys we had carpenters you know this is their skill now they had a job doing something else but if it hit the fan he was like you know what I can get these rollers out and my dad taught me how to paint So I know how to paint, you know what i mean? I'm a pretty decent handyman but these are things like I said if you don't have this knowledge base then you're vulnerable and this is the more important why fathers need to be in the home. But I won't go there now here is the leverage point of reparations and he's going to speak to this

3:07:04 I'll let him explain it and then i'll explain how I incorporated in my life or what we're trying to do now. So the honorable Elijah Muhammad said well, I put it there they may never give it to you You say, but I want you to know what justice looks like. So they won't offer you a white woman and a few dollars and you think we made it? Some of you Negroes will sell our people out for just a little position with white people. You won't sell us out! You'll be buying your funeral.

3:07:46 The future of our people is not to be compromised. It would be better that you were dropped in the bottom of the sea with a millstone around your neck, to betray the legitimate aspirations of our people. We gotta come out from among them! We gotta leave Farrow! Leave it! Hell with it! Force him to tell you, nigga I ain't giving you nothing. If you put it on the table strong enough he'll come out of his bag See today? He's smiling Hi brother how are you? Hardcore! But if you say no wait wait wait No no smile no pat on the back yeah Let's talk about reparations here Then you see him change

3:08:47 I've never heard that last. Yeah, man. I've never heard these clips. Oh, yeah. I'm sure you haven't! That last 30 minutes is the apparatus to how we're using reparations and what i mean by that? It's to the Democratic Party they'll smile and oh yeah thank you for your vote brother yeah yeah you know rock the vote you know that kind of thing but soon as we start asking for something for our 40 plus years of loyalty to that party Now we see their true colors. Shut up and vote! I mean, that's what people are saying to us. Oh they're black bots if they're asking for anything Do we not see? If you don't vote for me, you ain't black Exactly now We're starting to see when you start to ask for something for something that you have for them in return is shut up What gives you the right to ask me for anything

3:09:51 Who are you supposed to be? You're obligated, obligated to give your vote us and they've been very nasty. Very nasty black box if they ask for anything tangible reparations. How about a study California let's study some more let's get another panel And that's why I risk playing triggering people. I said, well you know but i wanted to him he said it so point blank and matter of factly they'll smile in your face as long as you're giving them something But when you ask for something in return for what you've been providing them for 40 years They have their people out here now telling you just shut up and vote Vote Blue no matter who

3:10:43 Like you said, you ain't black. Let's get on a leash. Black blocs. You understand? Who are they to talk to us like this?" Well every country, every race, every group gets the leadership it deserves so that's why we're doing the work. Can I ask you a question? Yes So just because something you said triggers memory for me or a lyric... When The OJ sang They Smile In Your Face, The Backstabbers Were they referring to this type of situation or just in general? All around. I mean, there was in general but it could be applied there because their music was very political if you actually listen to it. See that's what I'm asking. I've never ever viewed the OJs as political!

3:11:33 Oh man! No, brother no way. I had never thought of it until now. What about money? They smile in your face... The backstabbers do. No. What about for the love of money? I mean they were very political but not in the sense that there wasn't like Dystopian it was like very upbeat. I mean It was subtle and danceable that's what made us Wow, okay Hey mind blown here mind blown. I can't wait to tell some of my Dutch radio friends. Hey man You know that song? That would be what that's really about Perfect yeah, okay learned even more this last clip i'm gonna wrap up with this last clip here and

3:12:20 And these are, this is from a very small podcast on YouTube. It only had like eight followers on the channel so that goes to show you how deep I go when I go to seek these things out and this is two... One is say, I would say so-called blacks because I don't know if they're ADOS or not but they're talking about what happens when you take your black children to be safe white spaces? That I too compromise, I think I compromised their public culture experience and did not compromise their in-house cultural experience. We got that a lot, you know what i'm saying? But I compromised their public cultural experience in some times of their life because of trying to keep them safe

3:13:13 But I have to be clear as a, guess I'm labeled a veteran parent now for anybody else that has younger is out there that sometimes those safe white spaces backfired and then I wasn't prepared for it. So no you take your car to school is not getting broken into um... You're getting private school experience though It's a public school. You know? You're in all the things you wanna being, we're in this lovely neighborhood. I mean we lived in the suburb. I lived in Mocatio. We had the house, the picket fence, the front yard, the backyard like I was like do it you're doing everything Anastacia You got it! You have done all of things but then...I wasn't prepared to go see one them and ummm Go to a choir show and be like oh my gosh

3:14:12 Out of 83 children, there's only 3 that look like my baby. What? They're doing a rendition of A Negro Spiritual! Oh wow... What?! Give me the name of it. We'll make sure we promote it properly taken from 8 to maybe 18. It's Anastasia Renee I don't have this channel right off hand but if you search that is A-N-A S-T-A C-I-A Renee are e n e on YouTube and I'll be I have more clips from them because I think it's so small That the pot honest truth comes out. It's beautiful that was really good. I like that That was a good one what they're saying, and this is the fallacy They take these children and put them in highly

3:15:09 Exclusive, I mean what i'm meaning by exclusive is very few blacks. You knew that going in When I moved I looked at the okay how many black people are y'all 25 30? Okay We're good to go you know Because you don't want to isolate your children off to where it's only three Like I mentioned this did go back to with my college years. I was like You will be looking for black people. That's a very bad feeling and a lot of people can relate to this when you're looking like, oh I see a black person, you know what i mean? Like when you see him giving that nod like what's up bro! You know saying that kind of thing is yeah that's not and now I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot If you take me out and put me into you know anywhere in there in the world other than you know America I'll be looking for some where we speak English you know I need I mean I did find some ice

3:16:01 English because you're looking for somebody, you know. I had a similar version of that when I was thrown into the Netherlands now not that you could tell just by looking at me that I was from America but man when you heard an American accent somewhere in like you know just out on the street like whipsaw neck around what hey hey man god yeah and it wasn't just about the language it was about you know, football. Understanding? Yeah just understanding! But what the final point I want to make is and this is where you're seeing these people that cling to Black Lives Matter it's because their parents like these two they take these children and then hyper...they push black black black black black black black black black black everything inside the house

3:16:59 But don't prepare them for the world outside the house and think the world outside the house is supposed to adjust to their presence. It doesn't work like that! And I said it like that for purpose, it doesn't work like that because Who are you three people to come dictate to the other 80 how things are gonna go? But that's what they're going through these universities. Oh, we need a safe blacks place You know, oh It's like why don't you go to HBCU then if you want that experience because I was very I Don't know it's rude. It's rude Moe is just rude Madru Who you to come who you to come to my cookout and wanna play Kenny Rogers?

3:17:50 Deep breath Wow All right, I'm done. Moe... Now this was always enjoyable. I always have a good time for me the cherry on top was the OJ's but that's just a personal thing every you know Okay to wrap this up every single time we sit down and do the show I think I kind of know You know, I think I know what i'm talking about. I've done the work

3:18:49 And every time, man. Every time you throw something new in there and I know that you've got a plan and it's like Preacher Mo here he's Pastor Mo He's got a message and I really appreciate how you are taking me but all of us on this journey And it's very well constructed. This is your skill, I'm really realizing every single time how skilful you are at doing this and that's why again i want everybody to consider playing this with their kids because it's useful. I'm an older guy, I'm 56, you can learn a lot right now! It feels very good. You know how you can learn a lot Adam?

3:19:39 If you pay attention to everything, then the truth will reveal itself. Okay, everybody. Thank you very much Please remember to support the work when you're doing the work the business of the work go to mo facts calm or Moe FUND me dot-com o for me calm all talk to you next time man Thanks again I'll talk to you later Adam Yeah, I'd rather be with you. I'd rather be with you until I'm free Oh yes I do! I'd rather be with you until that day will fly away I just love that smiling face in the early sun If I can't have you to myself then life's no fun

3:20:55 Yeah, I'd rather be with you Oh babe! Uh... You might think that I'm trying to be funny But i'm really serious this time baby I'd rather be with you It's a cold world, baby But you know deep down inside that I do love you I know I sound strange

3:21:38 I'm coming at you with both hands. You got me, I'm coming at you Get ready I'm gonna stick my love in your eye baby You can see me coming baby just come on