27: Lift-Gate

00:00 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for February 29th, 2020. This is episode number 27. Say hey Mo! How you doing, Adam? I'm doing good man and apologies to everybody who's been listening. And that includes all the producers for being a few days late this week. Oh yeah we ran into some real life issues but we're back on track Yeah now um iIm not quite sure what we're gonna do next week because I leave for Los Angeles for a couple of days to do The Rogan Show

00:42 Monday so I won't be back until Wednesday. So it may not be until Friday or Saturday next week until we do it again Okay, will be on the same cycle It looks like so yeah something like that It'll shift but you know what? We're still sticking with our ones and hey How about it that we get to do it on on leap day no not leap day isn't today correction? Is black history bonus day I should have known yes this is a special Black History Month. Yes, we get one more day closer to a month moving on up Moe! One of these days you guys will get a 31-day month i'm telling you just stick with it maybe maybe one day

01:32 All right, lots of clips lops lots to get to today very excited to hear we're gonna do and for that of course We need to roll out the big wheel of clips Let's see what the topic will be. What are we going to get me? Oh it's slowing down And what will we get What happened to mini Mike? Where is he? Mini Mike has spent a fortune. There's nobody I'd rather run against than little Mike. We're going all political today, I like it! Yes. Okay... Mike Bloomberg you asked some questions about Mike Bloomberg on the last show Yeah if he was a viable candidate for ADOS Right so i found something and I'm gonna cover that but I found something even more interesting Is the billionaire beef

02:21 between Donald Trump and Michael Bloomberg. Yes, not discussed very much the mainstream doesn't like to show this because that would discredit their possible white knight Michael Bloomberg so I'm glad you picked some of this up So in this show what we're going to do is compare and contrast the two against each other and how the media covers covers the two in different ways So, I guess we'll just jump right in with Trump and Bloomberg used to be friends. As President Trump attacks the Democrats battling to take him out in November he's increasingly targeting fellow billionaire and New York former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg And the former mayor is fighting right back seeing as Brian Todd is here with more of Brian Trump and Bloomberg they share a very long history They do share a long history Wolf as titanic power players in New York

03:15 Donald Trump and Michael Bloomberg at various times partnered on different projects, they engaged socially and praised each other for what each had done for the city. But they split politically when Trump declared for president and tonight it's clear that Donald Trump sees Michael Bloomberg as a threat Look, he's a lightweight. The way they talk about each other now you'd think they've been enemies for life I am not afraid of Donald Trump But back in New York back in the day a different dynamic and I have to say you have been a great mayor come here You really have I mean this guy is That was in October 2013. Then New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Donald Trump lavished praise on each other after Trump helped Bloomberg convert a trash dump in the Bronx into a high-end golf course. But if there's anybody that has changed this city, it is Donald Trump he really has done an amazing thing and this is another part of it. Donald thank you for your conference

04:09 Analysts say that partnership actually could have been the genesis of their falling out because in a 2016 interview with Wolf Blitzer Trump took all the credit for the project. I took it over, got it knocked up and one year now to tremendous success Michael asked me if I'd get involved in it. Bloomberg thought that was an exaggeration his former aides thought that wasn't exaggeration And it sort of split between them Oh man! Don't tell me this is just a cockfight a billionaire, a billion dollar one. Or maybe one's allegedly a billionaire so... Right? You never know! If you listen to the mainstream media but So what really intrigued me about this is you have two people that used to be friends but not friends anymore or were they ever friends where they just using each other for what they could offer each other

05:03 I think this will be a great matchup. Well, and in light of this Bloomberg did a CNN town hall the other day which i watched and you know well I'm just going to withhold judgment because I learned a couple things that didn't know and I just saw some things that hadn't realized earlier so I am very curious where you take us on this OK, so I mean we can just jump into part two. But before then Donald Trump and Michael Bloomberg appeared to get along or at least found each other useful. Trump backed Bloomberg's effort to run for a third term as New York's mayor they golfed together

05:43 Bloomberg appeared on Trump's NBC show The Apprentice and their daughters appeared in an HBO documentary called Born Rich. But analysts say in the real world of New York business and philanthropy... In that world it was Bloomberg who was the star, and it was Trump who is always looking for acceptance and rarely getting it during all All of his life Donald Trump has longed for the approval of the New York establishment. Mike Bloomberg was the New York establishment." Now, the two are being compared and contrasted under a microscope. Yeah that's interesting I've mentioned many times on No Agenda Show that i know this type of guy this type of guy that Trump is who

06:28 Because I've been to a lot of these types of parties, not so much in New York but it's the same everywhere in the world. And you've got the elites and the old money... Even show business isn't really considered part of their circle but they let people in. Show business because they're pretty and get attention and can hang out with them. Other rich people even if don't like it will be like eh ok we'll let him hang out with us. But I'm I don't know if Trump really Wanted that acceptance most of these guys that I know and also some women absolutely Craved that acceptance in those circles and usually don't get it. So that's just a personal experience And what I find interesting is Trump came from a

07:14 affluent background, you know a rich father and Bloomberg didn't but Bloomberg's more accepted Yeah by the elites. You also have to understand the difference having lived there the difference between Manhattan and Queens I mean you might as well have a passport checkpoint when it comes to how those two areas those boroughs are perceived certainly by each other okay that's interesting so I guess we'll just jump right in there on clip three. Both switched political parties repeatedly and were unexpected winners in their biggest elections, and both became billionaires although on the Forbes list of the wealthiest Americans at the end of last year Michael Bloomberg ranked eighth with $53.4 billion while Trump ranked 275th with 3.1 billion They both named their businesses after themselves they're both very wealthy people

08:11 But Bloomberg came from a more working class background and Donald Trump of course inherited a lot of money from his father to run his business. Going forward, how nasty and personal will their battle become? Well I think in a head-to-head battle Mike Bloomberg and Donald Trump will be nastier than anything we've seen in politics perhaps in 100 years These are two people who are not afraid to fight And they're not afraid to fight in a very personal way No, it's a great time to be alive. And this is exactly why I want to see this matchup. Of course! It would be a beauty. Bernie and Trump will be good too but this one right here will be great because they will let the words fly and if you notice the media threw some shade at Trump

09:00 by saying, oh he was number 250 something on the list of billionaires. It's this real billionaire fake billionaire thing and they I'm just gonna say these lists are such horse crap i've been on these lists back when i actually had a lot of money and uh they would wild in my case wildly overestimate Oh Curry yeah he's got probably 200 million That's right, that's why I'm doing podcasts now everybody. So these lists are... most of the people on the list they're usually angry because their number isn't right The ranking? I don't know how that plays into people. I think most people just like oh yeah i'm on the list you know it was kind of cool but who knows what the accuracy is

09:53 And the media really wants his matchup because of the amount of money that was be spent I know Trump is sitting on a couple maybe million. Oh, yeah and here's war chestin I mean Bloomberg has well, like I'm hurt up to 53 billion dollars So dropping a couple billion dollars out of his own pocket won't be anything so the media really wants this match-up and they're pushing it And just like the, although I really think the Bernie Trump matchup would be what we need because we need to know are we socialist or are we capitalist? Which direction do we want to go in. But knowing whether you can buy your way into the presidency which is clearly what Bloomberg has been doing is also important to know It'll be interesting to see how it goes either way but what we want to see here What I wanna do today with this show

10:48 Compare and contrast some of the views or... Well, basically what we're gonna do here is we're doing all of the color commentary before The Thrilla in Manila. Is that fair? Yeah! This is so if it doesn't happen okay but this would be the preamble to this We are getting ready for the big pay-per-view event ladies and gentlemen And boy these two guys who would make sense if you had to pay to view it But this is what's going on. And with that said, we have Trump ripping through Dems. And now they have a new member of the crew, Mini Mike! No boxes, we call them no boxes and I hear he's getting pounded tonight you know he's in a debate. He spent five hundred million dollars so far

11:46 And I think he has 15 points, it just came out. Hey fake news how many points does he have right now? 15? They won't tell you the truth! They won't tell you the truth! They just came out with a poll a little while ago Mini Mike was at 15 and Crazy Bernie was at 31 that's a lot and Mini Mike just spent 500 million dollars A lo-lot of money

12:23 So we got great nicknames here. We got Mini Mike, No Boxes... This is why I came for it! Well no, I'm so down with it Moe And we have a, this is it. We're in 2020 and this is an actual presidential election. This, this is where we're at! We have two billionaires firing tweets back and forth to each other. Yeah minus the tweets It's kind of like Russia So, let's listen to Bloomberg fire back. CNN reports Bloomberg has already spent more than $350 million of his own money He has a reported net worth of 60 billion dollars left to play around with One of the takeaways here and there is a bunch is the shift in black support among the top three candidates Biden is losing that support while both Sanders and Bloomberg are trending up

13:17 Keep in mind, this was a Republican mayor in a very Democratic city. A Republican mayor who was a Rudy Giuliani ally who had gotten into some trouble because his policing policy stop and frisk had been ruled unconstitutional How did he get endorsements from key Democrats in his New York City races? One thing he would do is that he would donate very generously to keep people, you know, to nonprofits or maybe a church group. That someone who led the church was very influential so he was able to curry favor with people who can then give him very meaningful endorsements Furthermore, he could also silence critics after he had transferred his voter ID from Republican to Independent

13:57 The Republican Party never attacked him after that for the rest of his mayoralty and was sort of curious, but then you look at those financial filings and you see he was giving them millions of dollars. So he's been able to use this money to both curry support but also silence dissent. I think Mike has the experience. Uh, I think that um, he has the right values and I think he has uh, the capability to take on what is just an incredible machine which is going to be the Trump re-election campaign. Yes, I hereby issue a cease and desist on the term currying favor. I'm getting a little annoyed by it So Bloomberg is mysteriously rising People are very quiet He's rising to popularity with the black of black vote or you know according to the place accorded to the polls which the media do the polls and he has a big old pile of

14:56 Billions is spread around so of course they're gonna keep them around and just put an earmark in one thing they brought up in this clip that Stopping frisked cuz we're gonna revisit that good right after we listen to fire back, too Well this morning he took us a text to Twitter, the president did posting his altered image of the man He's dubbed mini Mike and calling him a loser who has money but can't debate And a 5 foot 4 inch massive dead energy Bloomberg quickly hit back tweeting at Trump we know many of the same people in New York behind your back

15:31 They laugh at you and call you a carnival barking clown. They know you inherited a fortune and squandered it with stupid deals and incompetence." That is even better as the WWE preview, this is good! So what Trump...Trump is coming at Mike being a petite man uh and I think he gets under Bloomberg's skin but Bloomberg went real low With by saying I know the people that we both hang out with the same people name and they think you're a clown Yeah, that gets under Trump's skin as well Do you think it does? I think deep down Trump is The Joker because he wasn't allowed to be Batman. Ooh, I like that. I'm like that

16:28 Yeah, he wanted to be Bruce Wayne and you know he wanted to be that hero type but it's a class thing. I mean you brought it up yourself with the Queens and I never looked at it as through the borough lens but... Yeah, thats just the same as New York or New Jersey we get along but were really different people And there's a reason for that and we're doing a lot of foreshadowing here. But as I promised, we're going to get back to the stop-and-frisk topic and how Trump

17:06 viewed it in the 2016 election. And when it comes to stop and frisk, you know you're talking about taking guns away well I'm talking about taking guns away from gangs and people that use them and I don't think-I really don't think you disagree with me on this if you want to know the truth. I think maybe there's a political reason why you can't say it but I really don't believe in New York City stop and frisk We had 2,200 murders and stop-and-frisk brought it down to 500 murders. 500 murders is a lot of murders! Hard to believe 500 is like supposed to be good? But we went from 2,200 to 500 and it was continued on by Mayor Bloomberg. And it was terminated by our current mayor but stop-and-frisk had a tremendous impact on the safety of New York City. Tremendous beyond belief so when you say it has no impact It really did! It had a very very big impact

18:00 How old was this clip? Do you know that was from 2016 or the 2016 one. This was in a 2016 debate against Hillary Clinton and he was telling her, oh yes! You even might agree with it but for political reasons you can't say that so I want to make it clear that Trump is all for stop-and-frisk when it comes to find out that up until now 2019 Bloomberg was also a fan of stop-and-frisk And a journalist exposed him. In the clip from the 2015 Aspen Institute, Bloomberg has heard defending the New York City Police Department's controversial stop-and-frisk policies saying, quote, "'95% of murders and murdered victims fit one M.O.' You can just take the description, Xerox it, pass it out to all the cops.'" Listen closely. 95 percent of your murders and murderers and murdered victims fit one MO.

19:15 You can just take the description and Xerox it, pass it off to all the cops. They are male minorities 15-25. That's true in New York, that's true virtually every city. That's Mike Bloomberg saying, quote, they are male minority 16 to 25. That's true in New York. That's true in virtually every city he went on to say, quote And the way you get the guns out of the kids hands is to throw them up against the walls and frisk them Bloomberg issued a statement Tuesday saying, quote I inherited the police practice of stop-and-frisk and as part of our effort to stop gun violence It was overused by the time I left office. I cut it back by 95% but I should have done it faster and sooner.

19:53 that and I have apologized." Yeah, I have some actual numbers on that. I don't know if it's appropriate at this point in your presentation? You could share! This started under Giuliani and it was always called...and I think it still officially is called Stop Question and Frisk and this all came out in a lawsuit and I believe it was ultimately the Supreme Court who said it was because my worry with these things is constitutionality first. They ruled it was not unconstitutional but the way it was implemented could have been deemed unconstitutional there's no real question of race, in this case just leaving that clip aside but when it started then um...I believe they stopped

20:42 200,000 people... no 100,000 people and 50,000 had some form of weapon or a prior conviction or warrant etc. And under Bloomberg that went up to 650,000 people but the amount of people who actually were arrested because of the stop questioning frisk only went up marginally so about 10% so it went up about from 50 to 65. Now the What you need to factor into that is, and you don't know exactly if that's because of the more That he did or not. Is that indeed the murder rate did have under Bloomberg versus Giuliani And as far as I know The practice is still in place today and many other cities In the United States You're exactly right with those numbers But when you look at it how people

21:46 View Trump and his view on stopping frizz versus Bloomberg. It's like night and day it doesn't make they give him a pass like like they just said he apologized as I you're gonna see her later how People just kind of write it off at me in their septas apology, but let's get it all Let's actually listen to the journalists who exposed Bloomberg But Bloomberg did not just inherit stop and frisk. During his tenure as mayor, the use of the practice increased sevenfold during his time in office. The New York police recorded over 5 million stop and frisks. The vast majority of those stopped were black and Latino

22:27 As mayor of New York, Bloomberg long defended stop and frisk. This is Bloomberg speaking during a 2013 interview on WOR Radio. They just keep saying oh it's a disproportionate percentage of a particular ethnic group That may be, but it's not a disproportionate percentage of those who witnesses and victims describe as committing the murder. In that case incidentally I think we disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little In fact, thousands of people marched against Stop and Frisk during his three terms in office. Bloomberg defended Stop and Frisk as recently as 2019 only apologizing for the practice publicly in November shortly after entering the presidential race. Yeah yeah I can see what is that?

23:22 Here's how his and Bloomberg by the way doesn't give a shit about anybody. I'm pretty convinced of it He's all that whole different plane a whole different plane But he's being in his mind pragmatic and he's saying well, here's the statistics that we see now Of course if you're doing stop-and-frisk in neighborhood where it's predominantly Darker colored skin because that's really what we're talking about here. And that's not just a toss its Latinos It's all it's all different kind darker skin That's right saying well, that's where they live but that's where your stopping and frisking I can see how those numbers are

24:01 pan out, but you're really identifying something we already knew. You're identifying that there's a lot of black-on-black crime in cities as a lot of crime in poor neighborhoods I think personally in a 10-year tenure instead of increasing you're putting a bandaid on the problem and that thinking is well if you know You can get stopped. I mean thrown against the wall Then you're probably not gonna bring your gun with you when you go out into the street Okay, right but there's other ways to solve this problem And I think the lack of imagination is what bothers me the most

24:40 And it's that Bloomberg is a walking talking algorithm. If you listen to what he says, just look at the numbers we're harassing white people too much! We need to harass more colored people. That doesn't play very well But from his algo perspective, I understand what he's saying. But again it's egregious that he's saying this and i think this is really the racial issue right here instead of saying oh you know why don't we turn around and try some other things to eradicate poverty in these neighborhoods? Now let me be hypothetical for a minute

25:19 Let's say, you know white guys do a majority of the white collar crime. So we're just gonna break into your financial records without a warrant and poke around to see what we find and We're gonna target affluent white men because that's who is committing a lot of these crimes How long would that stand? Well, if you said it that way it wouldn't stand at all. Unfortunately its true you forgot one descriptor though If it's conservative white men they do get targeted for that mainly by the IRS which is a political weapon so... But yes I understand exactly what your saying and of course this bull crap

26:02 Like if the SEC was just standing outside of Wall Street, you know banks and saying hey give me your phone. You know I mean... My analogy works you know how do we go about preventing this instead of just trying to nail people so that is the issue with stop-and-frisk Well, I mean it's big money. You know on both sides you have bills... Of course it won't happen! No no of course not and if you really did that in all earnest then you'd find a lot of stuff a lot of politicians don't want people to know And the money on the back end is the increase in property value

26:42 Yes, because the heavy policing comes in with the gentrification. Yep and all We're gonna see how all this ties together but let's get into clip three Well for more we're going to Atlanta Georgia where were joined by Benjamin Dixon the host of The Benjamin Dixon Show and podcast he unearthed and publicized at 2015 audio of Michael Bloomberg speaking at the Apps been Institute that we just played for you Dixon is the co-founder of the North Star The Revitalized Abolitionist newspaper of Frederick Douglass. It's great to have you with us, Benjamin Dixon. Talk about—I mean, it is very clear that the Bloomberg campaign knew that this was going to drop. They knew there was this recording however muffled of his statements at the Aspen Institute from 2015 and they were ready with a statement. Talk about why you released this? How you found it and what

27:35 Bloomberg has said in response. Yes, thanks for having me Amy. It was online it was hiding in plain sight I've read several articles about this speech and what drew my attention to it was the fact that they were looking That Bloomberg's team actually requested that the video from The Aspen Institute not be released the Aspen Institute acquiesce. They did not release the video, but I was hoping to be able to find at least an audio clip and that's exactly what I found it had been online for five years. I was able to isolate it cut it up and make it a little more audible And I felt that it just carried as significant impact that the words in the article did not I felt like people needed To hear his voice say these things Thank God for podcasters

28:21 It took a podcaster. Now we have all these huge newsrooms and they're, you know... it's amazing! Stop & Frisk I mean they Donald Trump anything they could go find it talk to anybody but it's on YouTube for five years and none of your big publications picked it up Nor the Trump campaign? I'm sure they didn't want to touch it considering his endorsement of it in the past Well, Trump has an interesting view on that and we'll hear that in clip four. On Tuesday morning, President Trump tweeted— Yes. —Wow! Bloomberg is a total racist." This was in response to the video—the audio you released. Wow! Bloomberg is a total racist. Trump later deleted the post. Interestingly, while campaigning for president in 2016, Trump called for stop-and-frisk to be instituted nationwide. Right.

29:24 Right. Yeah, the level of hypocrisy that comes from the president isn't surprising but that's really- That exemplifies the weakness that candidates like Michael Bloomberg will have against Donald Trump His audience has no problem with the fact he is a racist but he will call someone else a racist Michael Bloomberg has put himself in a position where he has a long standing history of problems in New York City particularly with stop and frisk And so the President will stand on debate stage and called him a racist when the rest of America knows that he's the white supremacists in chief Oh, there you go. Takes a blogger to know that too I guess. So Charles the white supremacist in chief but Bloomberg just has problems

30:03 He's not a white supremacist. Whereas it was one thing for Trump to say, hey here are the numbers look at what happened murder rate went down it's a little different to say hey you can just copy the profile and throw them against the wall I think there's a little more racist undertones in Bloomberg's description and you inherited from Giuliani, and you ratcheted it up 600%, or something like that. 500%. Right? So I mean it wasn't bad... He's like oh yeah hold my beer Giuliani watch how do stop it. But then it's also hilarious for Trump to gaslight and say hey Bloomberg is a racist for supporting Stop the Fritz

30:52 my mind is about to explode. Is this a topic? Is this something that ADOS is talking about, or is it your sharp mind which you have that you pick up on this? Well no... Okay the No Vote, ADOS, Foundational Black Native Black crowd people are saying we're not going to vote unless we get some tangible. That crowd is calling out the hypocrisy from the mainstream media the hypocrisy that they're not... How they cover one and then whitewash the others sins. Got it And all Bloomberg has to do is apologize Well yeah, he's Michael Bloomberg He's got 60 billion dollars that matters in America

31:42 Well, let's listen to him apologize. We begin tonight with that stop and frisk apology from New York City's former mayor Michael Bloomberg. He made the comments during a service at a Brooklyn church today many are now saying the apology is quote long overdue TV 1055 Hazel Sanchez has the story I can't change history however today i want you to know that i realized back then i was wrong and i'm sorry morning, former Mayor Mike Bloomberg stood before the Christian Cultural Center in Brooklyn and apologized for the stop-and-frisk policy he long supported while he ran New York City. Now that he's making a run for the White House many New Yorkers are doubting his apology is sincere. Do you think it's sincere? No no it's about trying to get votes It's real convenient that's what it looks like I got something important really wrong

32:37 I didn't understand that back then, the full impact that stocks were having on the black and Latino communities. I was totally focused on saving lives but as we know good intentions aren't good enough." Man! I hope you have the clip where Bloomberg says well uh i have black friends and they tell me that this was no good No, I don't-I don't have that clip but it's amazing how he's like oh I didn't realize G. Cops throwing, harassing people citizens moving freely inside of a city Yeah I didn't realize that was gonna be a problem Here it is here it is And I know a lot of black people that if they were white It would have been a lot easier for them Nahh That's not the one I was thinking of But stuff like that Like oh I know a lot of black people Well you didn't know before Mike? That your black people didn't say hey this is fucked up Mike No Nah Well For one reason

33:37 Even after this apology, there's always somebody that willing to get the butter biscuits. Yeah Yes, apology too. Brooklyn Borough President and former NYPD officer Eric Adams met with Bloomberg today. When Michaels I believe sincerely felt as though they made a grave mistake years ago in their implementation of stop-and-frisk, I accept this apology. I believe that the question now becomes how do we move forward? What do we do now after that acknowledgement? Wait wait who was this That is the president of the Brooklyn Borough Police. You can play the first like 10 seconds, they'll give his title again. Yeah I just want to hear that. Okay. Brooklyn

34:28 Burrow president. Okay, all right. Yeah, but he when you got 60 billion dollars 50 billion dollars You know how big it played is a butter biscuits? I mean you can buy Yes, I do actually and notice how quiet Everybody really and it's not even and when I say butter biscuits, that's not even a racial thing because you notice how MSNBC CNN they're kind of like oh yeah he apologized Explain the explain the butter biscuits again memo. Okay, so what this is is It's typically used towards black people by other black people to say when somebody says something No, it's not true but in

35:16 gains them financially or in some cloud or affluence They they'll go out and be bought off and the currency that they're bought off in is butter biscuits It's like Bitcoin only tastier So of course Trump couldn't let this apology slide by and he had to say it was disingenuous. what you believe the program is.

36:26 And then he decides to go Democrat and he goes to a church, and he's practically crying. It looked like hell. He's practically crying saying how what horrible thing you did I think that so disingenuous You know what? I'm talking about fellas that was so of Bloomberg Look, he's a lightweight is a lightweight. You're gonna find that out Hmm So this is this I think this is why Trump gets respect for at least doubling down on what you believe right Even though I don't agree with it stopping for this was a terrible thing. It was basically in my point of view, a form of martial law because when you can't move freely in your own community That's the problem. Yeah, that's of course That's a huge problem but we have to understand the black bullet was on board with these things with the crime bill with the

37:27 Stop and frisk they were on board because They looked at it like oh we need to do something To keep our place cuz you know when we had this all stems from the problem with the drugs in crack era in the 80s, right You know It was basically go back to 70s really with the heroin epidemic but I mean these communities became basically a drug zones and war zones with the guns and drugs. So are you saying that Boulle would like to have it continue contained? Is that what I'm hearing you say? Well, this is how it works The citizens will go to the Boule representative in their community You know, the mayor, alderman whoever they are Eric Adams Yeah, you need to clean these streets up The citizens will say my kids can't play

38:24 And instead of being sophisticated, they just went and said to people like Bloomberg Giuliani and whoever else you need to crack down. They cracked down but the problem is the police didn't distinguish between kid, an innocent kid walking down the street with a hoodie on and actual criminal. It was like we're just doing it by the numbers you know? You look as Giuliani said, I mean not Giuliani but Bloomberg said you could Xerox the picture in it meant...you know it would just like if you fit description of your black or brown within 15 to maybe 30 you are more likely going be a criminal

39:09 They didn't do any policing from the top down, taking out the kingpins. No other measures identifying the problem this was it's the Belgian screwdriver you know it's like she just bash away with a screwdriver at the problem Right. So let's get back into listening to Trump call Bloomberg disingenuous. He is also one of the worst debaters I've ever seen, and his presence is zero. So he'll spend his three four or five hundred million dollars maybe they will take it away. Frankly, I'd rather run against Bloomberg than Bernie Sanders because Sanders has real followers whether you like him or not, whether you agree with them on that. I happen to think it's terrible what he says

39:54 But he has followers Bloomberg's is buying his way in but we're gonna find out what happens We're gonna find out but when you watch go back to the church where he apologized for everything He ever did practically and he looked pathetic our country doesn't need that kind of leadership Yeah, yeah I Would like to see this Bloomberg. I agree with you Trump. I want to see the Bloomberg battle but just Give a little context to what a stop and frisk interaction would look like between cops and young men in those neighborhoods. I found this documentary called The Hunted And The Hated, an inside look at the NYPD's stop-and-frisk policy

40:47 And that was directed by Ross Tuttle. I was walking home from my girlfriend's house and a cop car went past me, couple of seconds later i heard the car turn around and they just popped out they all just jumped out the car. I decided to record it because I was getting stopped alot and I didn't have evidence of cops being disrespectful or anything so I got the button and recorded the whole thing Oh, you again man. I just got stopped like two blocks ago yo. You look very suspicious bro. Cuz y'all always looking at me crazy. Why do you keep looking back at us? Cuz y'all always lookin crazy coming up the block always. That's our job my man. Stay out of me yo! Listen to me

41:30 Always like I just got stopped by two blocks away because you keep doing that shit man We stop to last time because listen to me when you walk in the block put your hood up and you keep looking back at us. Like my house Because I have my hoodie in there they do that everybody Well, it was cold smack. Yeah, you're gonna smack me. Hey, don't miss you in a sentence No, you actually I have a blue bag on talking to you actually I had a book that one Why are you touching before? Man because he's wearing the hoodie yeah walking up the block with a book bag This reason why play this is this is the mo and

42:16 Yeah, if you're brown up Brown I mean any shade of brown Wearing a hoodie and walking up the block with a book bag. Yeah bad You fit the mo very bad how many kids go to school like that every day? And why I want it. I just want to shed light on this I Understand that something need to be done for the crime But these people are geniuses Bloomberg is a genius And the best you can do is just like harass people? Well, even worse it starts off with the cop saying yeah you were looking at us. He said yeah because your standing there menacing and I mean anyone knows that if we've ever been pulled over...I was pulled over just recently and uh..and the first thing i said was hey man you're really riding my ass so ya know if you're pulling me over for speeding I don't know when I was speeding but I didn't like it and ya know I pulled into the right hand lane

43:12 And it can be intimidating to anybody of any age. It used to be different, but yeah... and then-and then to say well it's because you're wearing why are you wearing your hoodie? That's wrong man so wrong So let's listen to the second clip in this interaction. He was holding me, he was going through my pocket, he was going up down... ...he was going through my sweater then that's when-that's when he told me keep my hands on my head so I was like this the whole time. You wanna go to jail? For what for what? Shut your fucking mouth kid! Why am i getting arrested for?! What am I getting arrested for!? For being a fucking mutt you know what? That's a law? Being a mutt?

43:50 He decided to take my hand from here and put it behind my back like that Shut your fucking mouth you asking me questions I was always stopping for no reason. You want somebody to break your fuck? Good, I'm gonna fuck Yeah, yeah traffic cop doesn't count

44:40 Yeah. Traffic cop, not the same thing? Wow! How's that work? Well I think where you were exploring so I think I mean uh... Everything. Explorers is like a kid police program Oh okay. If i'm not mistaken So it's not like this guy, this kid an anti-cop It just means your being harassed The freedom of movement man That's wrong That's wrong. I mean, it just...I don't agree with that and it irks me. It's yeah the Police Explorers Career Oriented Program gives young adults the opportunity to explore a career in law enforcement by working with local law enforcement agencies do we know what happened to these officers who treated him this way?

45:28 I think he filed a complaint against them, but I don't think I'm out. Oh, I don't know. I didn't finish the documentary I just want to catch more than interaction Just so people can hear you have a son of a police officer Walking in his community He would work he wanted obviously explored Potential to be a police officer himself here and the only thing you want me you call him a mutt and You know But it is what it is. My problem is when you have these people condemn one side being Trump

46:09 and give the other side a pass because he apologized, and the other guy was actually instituting the policy or ratcheting up the policy. That's my real rub. And condoning it because you know that there were plenty of complaints I mean this was news! I mean i was in and out of New York this was news people knew about this there was a lot of talk about it And he supported it all the way up to 2019. That's when the speech came from, the hidden speech so it was like... Just say you're sorry man! It's easy Alright but we are going to listen to one of our favorite contributors, Miss Karen Hunter and Bloomberg stop a frisk problem. Um 2015 all right now since running I think Bloomberg apologized? Yeah do we accept his apology? Go ahead play his apology! I was wrong and i'm sorry oh that's a real apology yeah

47:07 I'm making a juxtaposition because Snoop didn't apologize. But anyway, 866-801-8353. A little bit petty and just by doing that you know that method which started under Giuliani which he continued with the Comstats and Ray Kelly Put a lot of black lives in harm created. A lot of trauma There were more black boys and particular black men stopped and fixed in there actually existed in the city of New York And there's a lot of black people in New York the largest Black City our city in America, and yeah was painful Does the apology cover it? I mean, I think he was sincere in his apology for a number of reasons. Yes He's running for president and he needs the black vote to run to win But I think that you know just like his Greenwood initiative then he put out after he found out about Tulsa Yeah last year Which is baffling to me that you can live in a country and not know where this Where was uh, where was Reverend al all these years? Oh

48:07 I mean, I know New York. This is his backyard You just want to make sure let me see 2012 Rev Al takes near NYPD stop and frisk law to task with upcoming silent March So then I'm sure that Bloomberg paid him and he went away as Rev Al does As they said in the previous clip he silence you know He silences his dog He's naysayers. When you got that kind of cash, I mean what are you going to do? But did you hear how she was like oh yeah he apologized and we accept it. You know he wants to be president and needs a black vote so it must be sincere. How does that logic work?! That would make it insincere! Here we go...

48:55 Reverend Al Sharpton, this is from 2010. Finally disagreed with Mayor Bloomberg a week ago on how to change elections in the city... see okay. Sharpton's National Action Network got a $110,000 grant from a brand new nonprofit funded by Bloomberg! Just want to make sure we stay on top of that Jamoke don't like him man. And he's one the most powerful men and In this game. Oh, yeah in the race game But let's continue to listen I guess Karen Hunter except Bloomberg's apology That's why we have to be informed that's why it goes so hard in a paint So my question is number one people running for president

49:44 They're gonna need the black vote to win on a Democratic side and Trump is baffled by why he doesn't have more black supporter because you're racist. Yes, sir Listen it doesn't matter how many programs you do How many black people let out of jail if you legalize marijuana at your core? You hate black people And I think if you had the opportunity To get rid all black people and I'm talking about Mexicans anybody with any melanin Anybody from any country that speaks in language other than English I think you would wave a wand and get rid of us but that's fucking unhinged this woman is horrible My God, woman. Oh yeah. Bloomberg money! Yeah... You just said about Al Sharpton come on now. I thought we were talking about Bloomberg and stopping Fritz all of the sudden you accept his apology but he's not a racist? Unbelievable And then you say Trump it doesn't matter how many black people you let out of jail that doesn't atone for it but Bloomberg's apology atones for him actually locking black people up like this I'm look 22 in some way

50:49 2020 we know is vision, you know clear vision. Oh yeah nice. It's actually the 2020 election it's going to clarify and crystallize a lot of things We're seeing size being drawn we've seen things being brought to the light When you have this kind of money, people are going to be exposed and I'm gonna be for it. Yeah always for it! Of course always for exposé. These two men had the same exact views they come from the same exact places they have the same exact privilege as you see it but you do this weird

51:31 Jedi mind trick or however you want to look at it. Well, this guy is a racist to the core but this other guy can be accepted because he apologized how does that work? Yeah Please tell me how that well I'm trying to find where Okay, so she's co-authored books Karen Hunter with Al Sharpton. It says enough right there She's tied in yeah and i wanna say I want to make sure i understand the term mill you correctly. This is a small just a smaller side, but I think I spotted one between her Stephen A Smith and Charlamagne Tha God

52:18 Okay, so milieu is you know your social environment Fancy-ass French word for it And you can detect milieu by the way people dress the way people talk Even certain acts that's usually where Dvorak and I pick it up as how people speak because the way they speak is And know that Stephen A. Smith and Charlemagne Tha God are from the South, but they have... I mean not really no he's Stephen A. Smith from New York and Charlemagne Tha God is from the South but they have this unique way of talking and i noticed i was like she sounds like somebody but just pay attention to it next time you hear okay oh well because i think they run in the same circle as well But let's just listen to problem three What I had um I had a meeting today

53:11 With a person who's not black and we're talking about loans in this and that we're going over my finances And I said, yeah had this loan You know subprime loan even though. I had great credit a great job and everything She was like why? I said because the banks were predatory towards black people and I said you didn't hurt him I haven't heard of that no so then we went through another thing I said yeah, it had another loan too and and it I could see her catch her breath like Just because you're black. You got a bad law I said yes, yeah isn't it amazing We're not in the streets and burning stuff down like isn't it amazing that we're we're relatively well adjusted considering all the obstacles and I said

53:51 If I didn't have anything to compare it to, I wouldn't know that this was targeting. And if the Wells Fargo thing and the housing bubble hadn't happened we wouldn't have known that there was a willful targeting of black people but what did that do? That impacted the wealth of black people for centuries probably! That created a wealth gap that's going to take 200 plus years to close because financial institutions wilfully came after black people and gave them bad loans. I said I had a piggyback Loan on a house that I didn't have shouldn't had a piggyback loan, right? And I talked to a bunch of my black friends and they all had piggy back. Yeah why? Mmm-hmm. I'm not sure I agree with

54:32 What she's saying here, saying you have a subprime loan is not alone that is targeted towards anybody. It except people who are stupid and or are lying and that's what happened so was predatory the people said you can't afford this but I'm going to give it to you anyway. I put a lot of that on the people taking the loan. I agree with you but there are two things one She was talking about stop and frisk. This is from the same clip at the stop and frisk section, and she does this weird pivot I don't know if it's a case of the truth one to come out but she starts talking about subprime loans And i'm like what? What how did her brain make that connection to go from stopping frisk to um To subprime loan not sure do agree with we're gonna find out in a minute oh whoa

55:33 It's amazing that I agree with you. Well hold on, let me back up for a second she starts to clip off by saying I was had a meeting with a white person right which immediately it was like okay so are you setting some kind of boundary? I'm not quite sure but I guess it was a financial person And the way she twisted this is that the white people took advantage of the black people by screwing up the economy with loans they never should have given to anybody. There's a lot of white people who got those loans, probably more than black people but somehow that was very racially charged thing she was saying and I can't agree with her premise

56:17 And the problem is she's conflating two things. One, a lot of people smart people because she's smart She took a bad loan out herself Yeah and a lot of her smart friends did yeah they took out loans they couldn't afford but there is systematic Discrimination in the banking process and I'm going to prove that later but I'm sure that this is your place these two things and properly. And probably conflate them make a survey argument invalid

56:56 certainly weakens it. Yeah, that's the problem it makes if you want to talk about but I'm going to explain to you why I think her brain did that weird pivot with Bloomberg blaze minorities for the 2008 market crash of all things you could be wrong about being wrong about the Iraq war is probably most important but I think maybe a second is being fundamentally wrong about how we ended up in the worst economic collapse of our lifetimes and Mike Bloomberg He's wrong. Watch. Redlining, if you remember was the term where banks took hold neighborhoods and said people in these neighborhoods are poor They're not going to be able to pay off their mortgages tell them what your salesmen don't go into those areas And then Congress got involved as local elected officials as well and said oh that's not fair These people should be able to get credit

58:06 and once you started pushing in that direction, banks started making more and more loans where the credit of the person buying the house wasn't as good as you would like. Now it's not so bad when the market for houses keeps going up because the nice thing about making a mortgage loan is it's very secure after all if If the borrower defaults, you simply sell the house and you have something that's worth more than the value of the mortgage. And that assumes that real estate prices never go down and we just discovered they could. There is some very interesting logic here

58:47 Redlining, which is of course is a talking point Is generally seen to be as very very bad and racist in this case the red lining. In fact was protecting these these neighborhoods from Predatory bank lending but as Bloomberg himself said but then the local officials I would presume that's his administration Got in and said no No, no you gotta hey! It's racist to just screw Whitey. Let's get everybody And that's the thing, they only open it up when they have something toxic to sell to uh...the redline community. But redlining and we're going to get into the history of redlining because it goes deep. Yeah a lot people don't really know what the hell they're talking about with redlining. The fact that he takes this and throws the term around as you know like you said was keeping-it was a good thing!

59:43 And that's why I said her brain made that weird jump. You're talking about Bloomberg stop frisk and then you do this weird pivot into Predatory lending so, I believe she knew about this i'm just speculating This is 100 speculation But just how did your brain make that weird? I was having a conversation with somebody about money when we're talking about stopping fridges. Well, you're in the milieu of white rich people, I guess? So that's... well we know if it's the same milieu So we know who Charlemagne the guy runs with. Yeah, with a with the white hedge fund guys. Exactly! I'm just saying maybe you know they run in the same circles but let's listen to Market Crash 2

1:00:38 Wow. There was systemic racism in how loans were given out, who was given loans, who had access to areas to buy houses, interest rates all that and there was an effort to try solve that just a little bit And look at what you get when you solve that You crash the economy ya dummies That is what he offered up It wasn't like they gave it as theory and talked about it for a bit That was his core response on why did the economy fall apart He just did a pro redlining talk there, that's unbelievable. In 2008? Yeah, that wasn't like 1978 and corn pop would come into the pool. That was in 2008. Redlining is specifically is a racist policy. That's like saying well I mean, there's value and it does literally defending segregation literally. And say we're going to deny people

1:01:39 in certain areas because they're black. And he's saying, well that was the good old days and when we stopped systematically discriminating against blacks and Latinos it was those blacks and Latinos being irresponsible that caused the collapse Wow okay look other than being deeply deeply immoral its also deeply wrong so there is a good reason why Bloomberg is wrong on purpose Oh, oh on purpose. Okay? Yes we're gonna find out why he's wrong on purpose but let's unpack some of the things that he said This is 2008 when Bloomberg is talking You're that unaware that redlining is seen to be as a bad thing Just go this goes back to the 60s man. This is uh The guy is not on this earth

1:02:35 Right, I think you're aiming back to the 40s if i'm not mistaken with uh the new deal. Oh this was birthed out of the New Deal! You're right and that's why you had to have equal housing lenders or whatever it is that was a correction of the redlining and these are real historical facts and for him to say oh yeah it was a good thing... The other thing This go to show we get blamed for everything with 13% of the population probably damn you. You ruined every point some of the GDP and it's like, oh yeah when we start giving black people loans that took the whole market down

1:03:20 You can't make this stuff up. That is one of the most, I mean that's pretty egregious what he was saying there. Man... Okay We didn't design anything we didn't pass any bills we didn't lose any regulations And I know people out there say, well why would you take a loan? You know you can't pay for it. Well if the game is beginning on this low interest rate and the house goes up by the time the interest rate goes up... Yeah it's flipping! They have TV shows about this, sure white people do all the time. I don't understand but when a suppressed group of people are given opportunity and I say that we were allowed because

1:04:04 Due to how red line work, I'm gonna pause right there. Let's just get in the crash theory. Why? Because they had removed protections on leverage so the banks could make wild bets sometimes put a dollar down but make $100 bet so when you lose the dollar all of a sudden You're not losing and are you losing a hundred dollars which you don't have in the bank and you did that by betting on these collateralized debt obligations, and the derivative packages etc. So I tell you all of that because there is a real answer as to why we had the collapse

1:04:45 Pumped all that out into the market why cuz they were Mike making money off of it like oh go buy Oh, we got great mortgages for you. They're Had an amount like candy right? Oh, they would say oftentimes. Oh, you don't even have to worry about filling it out But it was irresponsible blacks and Latinos who are at fault. No, the bankers told them I don't care if you have a job. I don't care if you fill out the information all times because we're not like with the money we make on this mortgage is good and fine but were making real money on derivative bet okay? So just go,go,go,go in there handing him out,handing him out meanwhile entire time they're making commission

1:05:24 and they're collecting all of that, and they took it home in bonuses. Giant, giant bonuses on those giant, giant beds! Is that Cenk? Chunk from Young Turks? Yes, this is Young Turks It's a good explanation I think he did that well So now we understand why or how the loans were made and who was making the loans and how they benefit while the banks push giving loans to people that they know. Because you got look at it from both sides of coin one I'm a person if a person comes to me, and have bad credit wants to borrow $100. I'm going to say no, I'm not going to give you that hurt dog because not like we're gonna get back so

1:06:09 You not only can put it on the borrow, but also the lender because you have to protect your investment. But if you're making short-term gains off of just the action of loaning money that's self serving. Of course! So I just want to point that out so now to be fair To be unbiased as we are here on this podcast, Trump had his own issues with housing discrimination. Fourteen thousand apartments in 39 different buildings all mostly white tenants that is until the Department of Justice took notice in 1973 and slammed Donald Trump and his father Fred Trump with a lawsuit

1:06:46 Trump management was charged with discriminating against African Americans and breaking federal law. Donald Trump, then just 27, was president of the company The Department of Justice accused the Trumps of violating the Fair Housing Act arguing they were turning away renters based on race and color Who tipped them off? Local activists so-called testers posing as potential renters at Trump's buildings mainly in Brooklyn in Queens Elise Goldweber was a lawyer for the DOJ's Fair Housing section at the time and was called on to handle the Trump case. When the black testers came, they were shown... They may have been shown apartments but we're told nothing was available whereas when the white testers came yes there were things that were available that would be the norm

1:07:34 And if the Trumps did rent to a black person, Goldweber recalls they would do so only at one building in Brooklyn reserving the other buildings for white tenants. That the white people would live in Trump Village and the people of color would live in Flatbush. And according to the Justice Department they even had a secret coding system to do it A racial code here's how It sounds pretty racist to me And this was brought up all throughout 2015, 2016. Oh yeah, continuously. Fred Trump... I even had a clip and it was unclipable but Rachel Maddow she was chasing down this dude who used to work for Fred Trump and she's like

1:08:20 Fred Trump used the n-word when talking about renting to black people and Donald Trump was in the room. So I mean they went, you know it's no stone unturned! You know what's interesting is of course doing what i do of course I know this issue we've discussed on No Agenda...I don't think I've ever heard that detail about the testers but I think that's the first time I have heard of it They had testers and then they had this super sophisticated way of identifying black renters. Here's how some of the applications were marked with a C, which we learned that it meant colored so that the prospective tenants who had come in

1:09:05 were noted to be colored. Yes, you heard her right the Department of Justice alleged applications submitted by prospective African-American renters were designated with a secret code such as C for colored to indicate a black person was looking to rent in true Trump fashion Donald Trump hit back calling the government's accusations absolutely ridiculous and telling the court, I have never nor has anyone in my organization ever to the best of my knowledge discriminated or shown bias in the renting of our apartments. Trump's lawyers said the government suit failed to give names, addresses or specific incidences of discrimination. Claiming the lawsuit caused substantial damage to their business and reputation, Trump took the most unusual step of suing the Justice Department for defamation seeking $100 million in damages but that countersuit was tossed out by the judge

1:10:02 Even so, the Trump family maintained they never discriminated based on color but were instead trying to avoid renting to people on welfare. Two years later in 1975 Trump and his father settled the case agreeing not to discriminate against anyone They also promised advertise in publications aimed at minorities familiarize themselves with the details of the Fair Housing Act and notify civil rights groups of apartment vacancies. The Department of Justice claimed victory, but the Trumps never admitted any wrongdoing reportedly noting the settlement was in no way an admission of a violation. So this is where I'm at. I don't agree with discrimination but at least I know what I'm dealing with this here's my problem people want to deal with people that are going to lie to them

1:10:58 If I know where you stand, then I know how to deal with you. And that's why I said for my group of people we need to stand back and see who has something tangible for us because they're equal on both sides and whoever had the most put to provide as far as tangible standpoint then we support them when our vote and if nothing comes then we don't vote because it means two sides in same coin but the people that are supposed to be our leaders will put on this show, dog and pony show to make it seem like there's a difference. And they're really not right. Right? Okay when you say when you say leaders that goes down the line I mean it's not just president but that's local clearly its local quote unquote officials and Al Sharpton too yeah all of me what I say leader Tom the clergy

1:12:01 the media, the politicians all of them. I'm not only talking about black here either so we have Karen Hunter we have Bloomberg excuse me Young Turks if Bloomberg happens to be the candidate for Democrats they're still going to carry the water sure yeah you're looking at at the differences here between how each racial episode for each of the candidates is handled by the media. Right

1:12:38 So you're not, this is a litmus test and the standard is not the same. If the standard is a guy's support stopping frisk he's a no, he's a hard no then both of them have to be a hard no if it's unfair housing practices supporting or redlining or housing discrimination if that's a they participate in that as a hard no it needs to be a hard no for both but what I'm doing is going When you juxtapose these two people against each other, you see the hypocrisy. I'm here to point out the hypocrisy and also validate the claims of redlining and stop-and-frisk because they're real! But some people say oh no it's a figuration or imagination that was long in the past but i would like to take this short

1:13:36 Paul's here. We lost one of our historical celebrities, Miss Jeanette Du Bois and she played Velona on Good Times I know people are saying how what's the connection with that? That means kind of hard right well She wrote a popular song for one of the popular show The Jeffersons. I talked to my mom in New York and I was telling her, you know, I think I blew it. I don't know if I can do what I told Norman I could do and she said always has said this to me You can do it And I said But I don't know what to write about

1:14:22 She said, what was your dream all your life? My dream was to get my mother from working. Retire her and buy a car for her girls. Move her away from Brooklyn ghetto, Ferris Street, Williamsburg where I lived That was a dream. See, living in Brooklyn you have the east side and the west side I wanted to do it on the east side Got that idea? I wanted to move to the east side And we used to say one of these days mom I'm gonna make it I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that This was the opportunity She says what have been always saying since you were little girl Even when you stuttered you said it I said I was going to make a difference I was going to change your life I was going to move you out of here She said write that

1:15:05 And I wrote that and brought it in, and I think Norman looked at it and he said who told you about the story? And I said no one told me about what stories how do how do you know these things that you move into the east side and all this stuff at my penthouse about papa and I said Well, that's personal. I said but that's the song That's the promise like ever since to promise Women she wrote the song Yeah, good. Yeah Jefferson's moving on up I didn't know she wrote that and That's why I brought to the show one to show her respect and rest in peace But two She didn't even know what the show was gonna be about And now a reason why I brought this up and I find it interesting is She didn't know what the show was gonna be about but it so common shared Moving out of this oppressed area to something better

1:16:07 This is a shared notion, especially ownership. And then now when you ask why would people take a subprime loan? Why would some people take something that they don't even understand because it's one of the few inside baseball time is one of the few things that you can do as a black person and feel like really made it 1 graduate high school to graduate college or any higher learning Three, own your own business and four is buying a home. That's where you really feel the American dream. Interesting that owning your own business is in that list I'm not sure that owning your own business is a white thing in America as on the top four Because it's independent... You feel like oh I'm independent and same thing with home ownership. I own it

1:17:01 It's mine. You know, this is my you know it goes back really psychologically I think back to the way back You know the founding fathers and where you couldn't even vote unless you were a landowner right? subconsciously is no so I wanted to share her story because She wrote this song from a place of what mama imma take you out of this Oh these red zones Yeah, I'm gonna take you out these red zones. Imma move, you know movie on up and I would just like to share For her and her life, her song one more time. To the East Side

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1:26:35 So what we left off at was redlining. Yeah, so I'm gonna do a little history lesson on redline and we don't know... We always have to go back to understand the past and how it impacts the future. But first, I found this little funny bit by The Root on redlining. Are you looking for a new neighborhood to live in? Then come on down to Redlining Realty sanctioned by the U.S. government! There's depressed infrastructure underfunded schools no way white people, they're all in the suburbs. Heck we'll even throw in free shoes! Now doesn't that sound nice? Call Redlining Realty today and we'll get you a house built on the most American foundation of all... Racism.

1:27:26 I found this show called Adam ruins everything on True TV. Yes, not you Adam but the other Adam and he lays out the disturbing history of the suburbs It's not so white here, look. Bad example. Ignore sweater dog people A tote bag full of kale You're killing me lady! Okay maybe this neighborhood is mostly too... completely too insufferably white but that's just the way way things are here. It doesn't mean we're racist! I'm sure you're not, Ron but the fact that so many suburbs are mostly white is no accident it's the result of decades of racist federal policy that affect us to this day look what the heck kind of game is this? It's Settlers Of The Suburbs redlining edition

1:28:25 Little Donovan, you be green. Ron, you're red. All right! Red just like the name looks like I've got the advantage No... You don't See in the 1930s as part of The New Deal FDR created loan programs to help Americans finance their homes But to decide who got those loans The government created color-coded maps In which green neighborhoods were good and red neighborhoods were bad This practice became known as redlining. Was this the creation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as well? I'm not sure, all right. I think that may be a little later with uh... I want to say LBJ. Oh yeah okay well i'll look it up but as you heard these were government

1:29:22 practices. Yes, and as you heard people say our Democrats say FDR was one of the greatest presidents how you gave us What we found out to be public housing, which pushed in previous show. We talked about the no man's house rule and public housing projects and this is the other thing that we got out of The New Deal redlining so I'm not quite sure how that helped but it helped the white people As we're gonna hear in Suburbs 2.

1:30:06 But for folks in the red areas, no loans were available. I can barely afford rent with this! It's not fair the red areas are screwed Yeah they were and do you know why some areas were designated as Red? No but i can guess Those where the neighborhoods where African Americans and other minorities lived And redlining systematically prevented them from getting home loans I know what i'll do. Just take my little guy and put him in the green neighborhood Sorry, that's against the rules early suburb developers like William Levitt instituted explicitly racist policies Levitt townhomes must not be used or occupied by any person other than members of the caucus

1:30:51 And the federal government itself encouraged developers to discriminate. The result of these policies is that from 1934 through 1968, a whopping 98% of home loans were given to white families Okay, this is not fair. I did not get to pick what color I was when I started yeah one does What the justification the way I understand it and that was the what is now? What is it what would Ben Carson HUD I guess housing Irving yes federal Housing Administration

1:31:34 The redlining was justified because if black people moved into the white people neighborhoods, it would decrease the value of their homes. That's not racist at all! True and so we're gonna... there were a couple things that started to tie in to this episode White Flight as we talked about on our previous episode White flight was driven out of if you move into my neighborhood, you make the property value go down. So that's why they moved before they got stuck with the depreciating asset which would have put them basically what happened in a subprime lending scandal. You bought a house for more than it was worth after the fact so we have white flight and then we have another thing

1:32:32 The integration that we talked about with the color purple, not color purple excuse me raising in his son. Remember that was the whole premise behind that of the family moving into a white neighborhood now I've always been against forced integration so i'm all for separate but equal Why couldn't we just allow the funds to flow into the quote-unquote red areas? That way you could upgrade your property, bring value and then it was you could create your own communities. So I can see how this is kind of with the justification for people wanting to move into white neighborhoods but it was all enforced by federal law.

1:33:17 So I think we left off at two. So that's suburbs three and this advantage compounded over time, the families in the green or white neighborhoods were able to purchase homes and accrue wealth. The market went up, I can sell my house and buy a bigger one. Whereas the people in the red neighborhoods got none of those opportunities. I can't afford property on behind on my electric bill In the green neighborhoods, the influx of new wealth attracted new businesses. Whoa! We got an organic grocery! Which caused property values to go up which meant white families could sell their homes and send their kids to college They grow up so fast Passing down their wealth and advantages to future generations

1:34:08 Meanwhile, the red neighborhoods had far less ability to build wealth and many remained trapped in poverty. The game is rigged. Yeah, it was! That's why laws were eventually passed that made most of these discriminatory practices illegal. Ah! Great! Finally I can move and...I don't have enough money Exactly Without wealth families in the red neighborhoods couldn't afford to move up keeping these communities separated by race Today 70 years after Levittown was created It's still less than 1% black

1:34:43 I may be dead but the effect of my racism lives on. Yes, some local and this may be now to think about this maybe the same everywhere The redlining was accentuated in Austin we have i-35 And that was the line right there East Side West Side you died and I live on the east side I live in the Red Line District But then when it like when I move it when I'm moving on down I'm called the gentrifier. Can't win, can't win. You can't you can't win and that was very popular for them to use interstates as i said before Durham freeway ran through Haytie in Durham North Carolina destroyed that community so Levittown I think it was Levittown. I have a couple of black couple that were husband was a World War II vet

1:35:40 And I just want to give a little color to this story and human touch to the story of Redlining. We came to Leathertown, and we found the model house, and we walked in, and we looked around Of course, in the eyes of a young man who was raised in the ghetto so to speak it was an interesting experience. Interesting lifestyle seeing all the new modern conveniences very fascinating Eugene Burnett came home with almost a million other black GIs

1:36:24 They had fought for the country in segregated ranks. They returned hoping for equality and the American dream For many, that dream was a new home for little money down and some of the easiest credit terms in history. I went up to the salesman we're interested in your home we're interested in buying one and what is the procedure? Is there an application to be filled out so forth... So he looked at me looked around and he said to me, he says listen it's not me but the owners of this development have not as yet decided to sell these homes to Negroes. It was...as though it wasn't real you can imagine for someone to come out and actually tell you that they can sell to you I was really on a oh man look at this house! Can you imagine having this?

1:37:27 And then for them to tell me because of the color my skin I can't be a part of it. Yeah this is well-known story about Levittown. So World War II vet. Mm-hmm and Levittown was built with I think probably some money as well from the veterans of the VA. The whole idea of this place was for veterans to be able to come back from war, get their families going and start a life as people who served the country deserve. To finally have their piece of the pie!

1:38:13 I didn't know you're such a singer, Mo. That's the point! That's all we want is our piece of the pie Now does some of the problems between black and Jewish stem from this? The Levitts were Jewish Yes And well... Well I'm sure it didn't help any of the relations between these groups But I wonder if it's part of the genesis. It went on then and it goes on now even today you've seen the stories in New Jersey What happens is when with a great migration? So when blacks first moved north into these slums there they were previously occupied by other Ethnic groups non-white, I mean because that was before everybody was lumped into white so you had these other

1:39:16 It's usually immigrant groups that the blacks were rent from probably okay Who do you remember just out of curiosity who would that be? What other immigrants immigrant groups would that be? Jews mostly Jewish. Okay, mostly Jew especially in Detroit and places like that Yeah So they would they will move and then we will fit backfill their community there that they left behind got it but They would exploit and we talked about this on a previous show. They were exploited through the way they rent it. And even, they would say okay I'm gonna sell you the house but if you miss one payment you lose all your equity. Things of this nature so yes that did contribute to the tension between those two groups So yeah just want let this couple finish up with their story

1:40:14 The FHA underwriters warned that the presence of even one or two non-white families could undermine real estate values in the new suburbs. These government guidelines were widely adopted by private industry. Race had long played a role in local real estate practices, Starting in the 1930s, government officials institutionalized a national appraisal system where race was as much of factor in real estate assessment as the condition at the property. Using this scheme federal investigators evaluated 239 cities across the country for financial risk

1:41:05 So that those communities that were all white, suburban and far away from minority areas they received the highest rating. And that was the color green Those communities that were all minority or in the process of changing They got the lowest rating and the color red They were redlined As a consequence, most of the mortgages went to suburbanizing America and it's suburbanized racially. So this is what contributed to the racial wealth gap? Okay. And as you... I want to point something out here when you think about images are racist white supremacist is usually some country guy poor guy in Alabama West Virginia Mississippi

1:42:04 But this is the real white supremacist. When we talk about white supremacy, that's what I'm talking about This is the FHA saying hey if you get two black people in your neighborhood now your property value is going to plummet In fact they'll take it one step further Yes this was the US government but it really was kowtowing to Wall Street That's really what it was about Oh wait a minute! Wait a minute Who do we know that works on Wall Street? Maybe the, who the... Oh maybe that Bloomberg. Uh-huh! And that's why redlining would have protected us from some problem lending if I just had my way but... Whoa whoa whoa stop no stop so Bloomberg is actually so racist he's like 1945 racist

1:43:01 Yes, he's institutional racism. He's the OG! That's good Trump is just a wannabe compared to this So just think about it Now we're starting to see these two things and where they converge at you have Redlining which keeps them inside their zones And then you send in the stop-and-frisk To police them in their zones This is all institutional, right? When we say institutional racism this is what we mean. Yeah completely! Completely. And it's all sanctioned by the government. Dumb... and it's pretty damn recent as if it's never gone away Well some people tell you that redlining did go away but there still modern-day redlining

1:43:54 It's been 10 years since the economic recession, and credit has slowly returned for most Americans. By 2016, the number of conventional mortgages had risen 95 percent since the housing busts. And yet some Americans are still being left behind. The gap between white and black ownership is wider now than it was in 1960 Tonight, the first of a two-part series. Results of a yearlong investigation from Reveal, a program produced by the Center for Investigative Reporting as reveals Aaron Glantz reports black and Latino home buyers in some cities seem to have a harder time getting a home mortgage. Brooklyn native Rochelle Faroult moved to Philadelphia in 2015 hoping to buy a home here

1:44:43 I was like, I'm gonna try this thing. You know? I've got a lot of gumption." She made a good income as a computer programmer and had enough for a down payment her potential lender Philadelphia Mortgage Advisors was encouraging at first But the lender worried her income could be unstable since she was a contractor. So Farool suggested her mother co-sign Because my mom is a retired school teacher, specifically she worked in New York City for 35 years Her pension is great! but Farool was told that wasn't enough to offset her mother's student loan debt from a PhD I got shot down left and right

1:45:19 She wanted to apply for this loan. She was a contract worker, but made very good income But and she had her mom co-signed for it which had a great pension But it still wasn't enough so makes you wonder is this racially motivated? Well let's find out in clip two After Rochelle Farouk began to wonder if race factored in her loan denial she decided to use a new strategy In order to be considered a good applicant, I needed to have a white person or someone who's white adjacent vouch for me. This time she asked her girlfriend, Hanako Franz who is half white and half Japanese to apply with her. Franz was working part-time at a grocery store one of her most recent biweekly paychecks was $162 And at the time your financial situation was unstable? Oh yeah it was terrible oh my god it's so bad It was terrible I was borrowing money for my sister Rochelle paid my health insurance at one point because I didn't have enough money to pay

1:46:18 But for Santander Bank, the final lender Farool tried? None of that seemed to matter. Franz had a good credit score and when she came on board it all went smoothly even though Franz couldn't provide proof of a stable work history They were like we need two years and I was just like I can't give that you and they're like alright We'll move forward yeah Okay Alright so Does she have on record they actually said you need to have a white person that was written requirement? No, what she did was as experiment. But he said let me use it white or why adjacent person right

1:46:56 It looks like it only takes to be a half white person. Well there was something else in there and I'll just take that and run with it to modern-day slavery not necessarily color related she had a good credit score this has been one of my pet peeves Yes, and you know that credit karma was just purchased for seven billion dollars Why is it important because it is a slave control mechanism? It's not even the official credit score as handed out by the two official credit agencies. It's a credit score By the bank or couple of banks, you know There's some consortiums it kind of made up but what they really want is they want to have access To your bank account which you give them when you sign up for these apps You actually give them your password Your username your login so I can do whatever they want see whatever you do and then even under the guise of we're gonna help you

1:47:55 They control you. Okay, so well if you pay your utilities bill at the first of the month your credit score is gonna go up it is total slave control and as a running theme on this show they always start with us Well hello Hey thanks Mo Thanks You know I had to marry a white woman to get enough credit to buy a house damnit It's all your fault And it only takes half a white woman because her girlfriend was half white and half... It's like, hey all you gotta do is be half. Half-white. I want to talk about this little term White Adjacent. Yes Because that was.. Have you heard this term before? No no i don't think so Okay white adjacent is a person who is technically a minority but has access to utilize and sometimes benefit from white privilege

1:48:54 You mean like Drake? So, or Oprah. Or Gail! Oh okay yeah that's a better example I gotcha yes. As long as you're in the proximity but now we see this still goes on today. It hasn't stopped and it's like you said it's all about data points and I mean the only data points they had back in the day was your color of your skin well they come from that red zone and he got black skin so that's no that's a hard no It's so interesting and this is a good lesson, and it's really important. This show is so important beyond the racial connotation because this was when data wasn't really available. This is when all the started... The data was you live in this area, this is the color of your skin there wasn't much else data

1:49:40 Much much other data now, there's all of this data and believe me these algos are super racist Super racist and they're determining how much sentencing you get in the criminal justice system How much you can borrow for your house? And oftentimes if you're appropriate for a certain job and it's baked in. It is it is systemic racism And I'll say racism, not white supremacy built into today's technology. Well like you said this comes from the bankers and who are the bankers? Who are the bankers... well I can answer that many ways. The Illuminati, we use various terms, the elite. The true white supremacy as our friend would say

1:50:37 Yes. It doesn't matter to them. So we're going back to the Karen Hunter show and she had a guest on Laurie Daniel favors And Lori, Daniel favors is an intern for the executive director in general counsel at the law or the center all and social justice activist attorney and She's only care if she's a contributor to the Karen hunter show so she's gonna this is pretty almost a two-minute rant Well, I just want her run. I didn't want to clip it

1:51:23 I want to let her run because no matter how many data points people see that these two people are like, listen to this cognitive dissonance that she displays. Bloomberg is responsible not just for stop and frisk furthering it systematizing it global glorifying it, defending it up until last year when he decided he was going to run. But he was surrounded by intellectuals black activists, activists of color across the entire spectrum who outlined for him the problems New York City Lawyers Association Night Clue that data the statistics he had facts He had information and he was committed to a racist policy that jailed black people, arrested black people. Stopping frisked blacks. I have 32 students Bushwick 32, 32 students who were on their way to our funeral had permission from their principals, had letters from their parents accosted by the cops held for 36 hours, had to go to trial, had to get in my husband is beat up in court by court officers at their defense

1:52:24 defense trial because the way in which police and court officers were militarized against black and brown communities, and you expect us to just eat that he's got money so he's going to be the best candidate? Gentrification. Bedford-Stuyvesant, Crown Heights, East New York, Flatbush, Harlem, The Bronx—black people driven out of this city under policies that favored wealthy white people and developers! We cannot even sustain our communities right now. Education! He undermined the ability for us to have culturally competent education, you want me to say because he can beat Trump so Trump gonna do what he's gonna do Bloomberg gonna do what he doing yeah he might win but guess what all y'all getting arrested all y'all getting stopped in prison if he implements the same policies across the country that he further and supported in the state of New York give me a break we can do better than this and I'm sorry I got to agree with Meghan McCain but now I'm upset

1:53:12 I'm sorry. I didn't mean to add that with... If he's the nominee, are you gonna vote for him? I don't think he should be the nominee if he's the nominee because that's a strong possibility if he's the nominee knowing and having said everything that I just said Because I am aware about how the politics and the system in this country works Yes, I will have to vote for him What?! After that rant! There you have it Oh my goodness But I just want to understand the justification, make sure i understand this. So just go back to that one question... If he's the nominee are you gonna vote for him? I don't think he should be the nominee if he's the nominee because that's a strong possibility. If he is the nominee knowing and having said everything that I just said because I'm aware about how the politics and the system in this country works yes I will have to vote for him

1:54:06 Wait a minute, I don't understand. She just railed about the system and the politics and she says knowing how the system in this country works she has to vote for him? You explain it to me because i dont understand it but this is what we get now does everybody see These why these people cannot be trusted. This is the reason for value for value This is why you need to have the independent media You wouldn't have the Bloomberg tape dug up without a podcaster? You won't have this conversation We're having without podcasting in an independent media and one of those Part of that independent media is what it's called The New Black Media because they're holding people like this the task That you get out here and give her one minute and 58 second rant

1:54:56 of everything wrong with Michael Bloomberg and you put him against another so-called racist, and you will make a choice instead of saying, You know what? I abstain. Uh... Well no! Yeah well there's a number of things One uh this should this show not just this episode but this is a good one Should be played in schools across America children have to listen to this show. Of course your school won't do that, so give it to your kids and if you're really offended by some of the naughty words we use you can always take them out It is especially beautiful to learn this during... And of course I've learned more than most people casually dropping in on the podcast but during Black History Month, the bonus day no less black people of America! You got some problem with the black people of America too

1:56:01 We got a clean house. Yes, we have to clean we have the clean house. It's rampant people gotta go it's rampant It's the top 10% and the bottom 10%. And this is what I'm saying The top temper the top ten percent They idly sit by and they only do what they're told by their pay, you know who control them. We gotta understand what Bouley is again that's the advisors to the king so even her she laid out everything but you know what I'm still gonna vote for this exact same thing i say it's a problem how does that work?

1:56:39 That that was the baffling part to me. I loved her rant her rant was fantastic except for the last minute She just blew it all up It's like what are you but because Trump is gonna continue that and You're gonna vote for the guy who actually was doing it and these people don't bring us any solutions They're the top 10% as supposed to be the so-called leaders And then they allow us to be terrorized by the bottom 2 percent in our communities Because you damned if you do you damage you don't right? It's like if I want policing in my community, I can't get quality policing. Which is why we should police ourselves. That's a whole other show for another day. Moe explain the bottom 10%. The bottom 10% is where the crime comes from! Right... You know what I'm saying? That's not just the point you have a large quiet group of people in the middle

1:57:34 They are scared to call out the top and they're scared to address the bottom. So they stay silent, and I won't stay silent. Yes you can do two things at once we can call out the top while saying tell the bottom this is not acceptable behavior i understand the source of it i understand the communities with pump full of drugs and guns suppressed and not allowed to have funding and lending, and everything else that all the other Americans are privileged of. But that is no reason to terrorize your own people in your own community! No You can do what you could chew and walk gum at the same time I mean come on Yeah Wow but...but not to end on that low note. You know always like to end it on a high note just for the psyche

1:58:29 One of the biggest scandals that were overlooked in this whole Trump and Bloomberg fiasco was covered by Mr. Jackson, which is a YouTuber he only has 200 subscribers so go to show you how I dig to find these clips. Little Mike's favorite trick is to use a pair of lifts inside of his shoes. And he might have got away with it with the help of MSNBC Here we see MSNBC put a box in front of the evidence so, we don't know what he is really wearing Luckily I was able to find this photo on the internet which clearly shows the shoes he was wearing The night of the disaster and desert The Democratic Debates Notice anything funny about these shoes? I do

1:59:36 Look at those lifts there on the side, pressing out on the shoe. We can see he's got at least four or five inches of lift in there! Though the cameras used tricks to hide his lifts from viewers... ...there was no way of escaping the fact that at some point Bloomberg would have to walk in those shoes I can't believe i missed this. Well you were kind of on top of it because you caught where they had lowered the lecterns yeah, I saw that but uh...I didn't know he had lifts in his shoes He had a double boost! Oh my goodness So its liftgate Its total lift gate oh man I'm looking for a picture now and now want to see it

2:00:25 I will post a video of this on my socials. Yeah, Mr Jackson's video? Yes! Definitely want to see that definitely. I want to put it in the show notes That's too good man alright well let's let mr.. Jackson finish up then Let's take a look at how mayor Bloomberg walks first in regular time I'll see if you can catch what so strange about this walk huh interesting Now let's take a look at it in slow motion. And I want you to take a very close look at his knee, more specifically where the knee bends. Wow! Look how long that leg is? Amazing isn't it?! Let's take a look again... Very very big shins you have there Mayor Mike

2:01:15 Perhaps Mini Mike has the world's largest shins, but more likely he is wearing a pair of lifts. The only person I know with a set of shins that long...is Dalsim. Yoga flame! Yoga fire! Dalsim from Street Fighter? Yeah The only video game I would recognize in the entire world is Dalsim. We love Dalsim! Oh my... so he's basically on stilts, is what we're saying here? It's not just lifts it's stilts oh my goodness ah that's the best Moe yeah well put Mr Jackson's video of the show notes that is too funny

2:01:56 Well, that goes to show that Trump in this back and forth billionaire smackdown he definitely has pinpointed Bloomberg's real sensitive spot. If you're going to that length? He's so frustrated over it! That's pretty incredible That is amazing. Oh man, Moe thank you that made my day let's remember this show was about redlining and other racial practices but I love this that was good man thank you the good laugh good laugh for a Saturday yeah just to take us out of here so there we have it they're gonna look at two people that have similar views and

2:02:45 through two different lenses. Yes, well Mo thank you very much for bringing all of this to the show once again and I will remind everybody that this work Should be compensated in the value that you as an individual get out of it So whatever that value is to you, please send that to us in a monetary form go to Mo mo facts calm or directly to our donation page at Mo fund me comm MOE Fund me.com and as I always say pay attention to everything and a truth will reveal itself That is the truth And this is the song for mini Mike I guess We'll talk to you next week, Mo. Talk to you later Adam.

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