72: Duke Power

00:00 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for December 8th, 2021. This is episode number 72! We are back once again It's Wednesday You know what it's time for That's right I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country Time once again to spin the wheel of topics All the way to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen Mr Mo Facts! How you doing Adam? Mo I'm great it's so good to talk to you we barely speak anymore That's what happens when we have a show to run man just busy busy busy I don't know what your cooking there in the back office but yours i think your awful busy You're doing alot of stuff Very busy producers are sending

00:56 value in all kind of ways, exciting new chapter and speaking of new chapters I just had a birthday. Yes! And of course as your good friend I completely forgot about it and I think i got you day-and-a-half late You got me early for the next one Yeah so was this 41 for you now? Yes, 41. You'll never catch up to me Did did you get anything good any cool presents Got a lot of love from the facts family And from the real family as well Favorite food everybody got together and I'm going out of town to see my mom and pops Here so it's gonna be our birthday week kind of thing. Oh nice all right So does that mean there'll be a postponement on The Lost Tapes for next next Wednesday? No no, okay

01:52 Okay, dynamite. Wednesday at 8 o'clock set it on your calendar set it on everything when's the edit clock? That's right and we should be able to get the video into the podcast feed by the next time we have a lost tapes which will work with any of the new podcast apps at NewPodcastApps.com All right Moe I am super excited Of course once again, I have no idea what What we're gonna do today but shall I just spin the wheel Well, I like to say something for we spend the wheel since it's my birthday and this we're gonna start a tradition This is the second year of it. This my birthday show is something that always want to work on It's not going to be timely in you know current event kind of thing kind of like trappers delight That was another birthday show

02:38 But hopefully people, I hope people enjoy the topic and you can go ahead spin the wheel. All right! I love Trapper's Delight Can't wait to see what we have for the show Topic 4 Episode number 72 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry Let's see what we got The topic for todays episode is... Being black can be bad for your health Okay. What a birthday show! Happy Birthday! Yay, alright So for this show we gotta talk about the Duke Lacrosse case which It's not timely at all. No, that's from oh gosh That's from how long ago? 2016 me 2006 excuse me so we're looking at 15 years old But the reason why I want to talk about this is for two reasons one the cowl written house written house case and

03:32 Sparked a lot of memories about that case. Mm-hmm with the prosecutor Playing all kind of tricks how it would erase aspect of it so I mean, he just brought it up in my mind and I think it'd be cool to discuss it so um okay do whatever you want yeah right. I'm sure it's not just a throwaway topic, I'm sure there's a lot to unpack here. I hope so let's go ahead and get into it and number two Fantastic Lives They can play more than basketball down in Durham, folks. Can they ever! Lacrosse players were the cool kids Good looking Big They were tough And they were cocky

04:28 Ultra aggressive, ultra focused. It's golf culture with an attitude They were very popular athletes Their attendance at parties was a big deal They ran as a pack and they were there together for almost everything he did. Most of the kids are from the Northeast, from well-established families. And Hopkins has his first lead since it was 1-0 on a radial tap.

05:15 I think the kids all want a crack at number one again and if we're good enough, you know We're good enough. And uh, I think our guys are good enough We knew that this team was going places That's why everyone was so looking forward to the following year But they also understood that you know it's not that easy to get to redo what you did and repeat You had these were athletes who knew what it was like that one little thing changes everything Do we need to Explain for people who may not be familiar with the Duke lacrosse Case kind of an outline. What was going on? Yes, so in 2006

06:08 The nation was rocked, quote unquote by allegations of three Duke lacrosse players had raped a woman named Crystal Mangum at an off campus party. And the wheels of justice set in place similar in the case like the Renton House case that they had to have these boys, quote unquote this how they referred to these young men and that's why it came up my memory as I was doing that show I was like, this seems a lot like... The witch hunt that happened with Rittenhouse how they were already guilty, you know in the court of Court of public opinion. Mm-hmm So what I want to do is just like draw some highlights there. I think this is the first time we really saw the Council cannon come out the woke culture and the university was about 2006 here Was it Rolling Stone that wrote the initial?

07:08 We're thinking about the Virginia that you think about no, right. This is this is the predecessor to that right? Right, right, right, right Yeah, so one after that mm-hmm So what you're referring to is the Virginia UVA yeah The rate culture there and this predates that and this was like on the heels of Katrina So race tensions were very high as in the country frame that yeah, it's really good to frame that okay Yes, so I just want to show If we would have been paying attention then, we could kind of see what will happen now in the rent house case. But I also want to show that money and power this case didn't even get the wheels going on it because it got shut down real quick but it was powers that wanted to give you oxygen for political gain and social change gain

08:08 So there's a lot here. Yeah, okay yeah well I'm ready for the ride Okay so just to give you an example how the media that was uh anti- I'm sorry these were three white guys right? Let's just make sure we get Three white guys raped a black girl Yes okay very important for context Super important And half and half city Called Durham. Okay, let me get I'm glad you brought it up. I'm from Durham lived I live in Durham So I experienced this boots on the ground You were that you were living there when this took place Yes, I was 25 years old when this took place living in Durham so

08:54 It opened my eyes to how certain things work as a young man. Yeah, okay this is good for context now I understand why it's your birthday show Yes! It's gonna be a lot of personal context in this because i am a Duke basketball fan so that plays a part We're going to get into the whole Duke University, Duke culture kind of thing. How they look that it's a lot here for me personally So that's why I want to make it as a birthday so something was very apropos To do this so moving back to the clips This is an example of the anti-duke Media and I want you to listen in just mentally compared to what we heard about Rittenhouse

09:37 It's going to be on a jury now. That's right, indictments handed down arrests made on at least two young men We're expecting yet a third indictment in the Duke Lacrosse Rape Scandal Let's go straight to Clark Goldbender our producer What can you tell me about these two young men? They come from some nice homes in the shadow of New York City Nance let's first start with Collins home it's in Garden City I'm sorry When did you get on a first name basis with the defendant in an adult rape case? Well, I'm not. Okay let's... Mr. Finnerty go ahead. Okay, Mr. Finnerty is home is assessed at $1 million 900- Wait! I am asking about the family why are you giving me two million dollars what does that mean to me? That's how much their house is worth where he comes from Garden City New York Your point is...? I thought you would be interested in their backgrounds We have the others

10:30 Is that what you're telling me? Well, I'm telling you they do have some nice homes Nancy and we also have one from Reid Seligman. His comes in at about 1 million 300 thousand dollars Wow. That's pretty blatant. It sounds that almost sounded scripted though it she was being sarcastic okay for a reason to say

11:16 No, they'll likely get off because they're rich. Right okay So she was being um it's a it was built this clip was built this whole I got uh set of clips is built around sarcasm but Got it It's the reason why she's doing this to say oh you know They're gonna get off and I want to make like something right up front here The thing was in the thought when we when people first heard about this case Is they're gonna get off and this could be even though Two things can be true. This is one of those cases that, one the feeling that they're gonna get off regardless of what happens has nothing to do if they were guilty or not Does that make sense? Yeah no I just- Of course! I totally agree. I mean... I was 2006 yeah i was in the United States so yeah I recall this sure Whether they are guilty or not They're going to get off and that's what really rubbed a lot

12:16 Black people quote-unquote black people the wrong way because like oh, you know it's Duke. You know they always get away with everything and That's the culture of do a lot of that played in with the basketball team We might talk about there a little bit my eyes want it like that's death the thing that rich white lacrosse playing new players Interestingly now 2006 you said? So I was really busy, you know with podcasting building podcasting 1.0 But I do remember the case and what is interesting And so but I was like not watching news at all maybe headline but just like it's just whatever trickled through Completely focused on something else what I do not remember is the victim being black

13:07 Yes, that's the whole- That was the whole linchpin of the case. I do not remember that didn't get through it wasn't communicated Of course i wasn't doing media deconstruction at the time And that's the thing is kind of cool that we get to look back at this case Yeah, which no other podcast probably ever gonna talk about again Maybe until like five years from now when it's not the 20th anniversary But we beat him to it um so you but also what if what what podcast would have two hosts saying hey? Remember that Duke case yeah you know, what hey I don't remember her being black. No one would remember that no one would even think to talk about it that way and the fact that like i said I lived in Durham I was a huge Duke basketball fan so it had a certain connotation to being a Duke fan which we'll get into as well

13:58 So guess we're going and getting the numbers for people that people know this is Nancy Grace if you didn't catch her voice And this is part two to it clip. Okay, and let me throw a stat at you okay false rape reporting false sex assault assault reporting as somewhere between The low numbers of 2 & 8% okay so you can roll all that money together and it means not a hill of beans in my assessment of this case. Are you saying they're going to hire high-priced lawyers? Is that where you're going? I'm not going anywhere, I have some more stats for you if your interested. Go ahead, go! Take a look at the incomes of these three towns where all three players are from In Garden City its around $100,000, in Essex Fells its about $150 which is very very high in the United States And in Durham North Carolina $43,000 dollars and lastly where they went to school

14:46 These two private schools, they clock in at about $23,000 each. And of course where the alleged victim went it's free I want to go to Stephen Miller with the Duke Conservative Union Stephen Miller what is your response to the indictments handed down and the arrests? Well i think i speak for many students when i say that we're very very concerned that 2 innocent people may have possibly Oh good! Hey wait a minute Is this Stephen Miller The bald guy who uh Yes in the Trump administration. Yes, yes interesting what outfit was he with here? Let me see What did Duke something is it's something associated with do a student Duke students something I'm sorry Um, I didn't catch that you can start maybe started. Yeah, I'm gonna go back a little bit Yeah Just just thought was interesting that this guy pops up in 2006 in this role

15:37 It's kind of cool. It's free I want to go to Stephen Miller with the deep conservative Union Deep Conservative Union conservative how do conserve a union? Yes, okay got it Stephen Miller What's your response to the indictments handed down in the arrests well? I think I speak for many students when I say that we're very very concerned about that two innocent people may have possibly just had their lives ruined. Oh, good lord! You're saying it's not possible they were innocent? That's not even in the realm of possibility No I'm not saying its not possible but a grand jury has heard evidence and deemed this fit to go to a trial Right and we're saying that... And without ever hearing what the victim has to say you are saying the grand jury is wrong The victim is lying and your first problem

16:23 I said, I didn't say that. I said it were concerned that is possible the two innocent people may have had their lives ruined because this case does have many irregularities and many inconsistencies. Oh man low are you seeing the parallels now? Yeah This is very just so this was a yes. It's I love seeing this media job although Of course back in the day it was only HLN, headline news that would do this type of reporting and now it's just everybody. Well there were some big heavy hitters I don't want to spoil anything but there were some heavy hitters that jumped on the Duke lacrosse players' guilty bandwagon Oh lots of people sure! Yeah so that's the crazy thing about it

17:17 Like I said, this is the first time you really saw the academia step up and take shots at its own school. And the media to... You know, for white men to say you're guilty until proven innocent This was not really seen before and this is a very... Have there ever been anything like this or similar since Tijuana Brawley in the 80's in New York? No, no. And that's the thing man, this is that time when

17:54 In most cases, this case would have been okay the cops show up listen to both sides of story. Hey you guys go ahead shut the party down you go home sleep it off and it would never been heard of but there were political motives and social motives at play to take down The patriarchy so this was like the first hit At the patriarchy and family and that kind of thing yeah and literal patriarchies sounds like Yes, and you heard what she said. Who cares about what two innocent guys? You know it's about with the victim in this yeah This plays into what you were saying about the VA UVA case That's what this was the root of that mm-hmm Of the college campus rape culture kind of thing

18:44 Right, right. The rape culture that yes I remember now yeah yep so this is the big daddy of them all uh i guess we can go ahead and get into part three now because this case does have many irregularities and many inconsistencies Yes I do, but I would appreciate it. I assume you've got a mother? Your first concern is that somebody's falsely accused? Don't tell me what my first concern is please. Just to throw the first words out of your mouth! Maybe I'm crazy and don't wear hearing aids. My first concern when I heard these allegations... was that a innocent woman had been raped. That was the first thing that came to my mind, and I think it came to anyone's mind. But as the facts started to come out there were many irregularities and inconsistencies that troubled me like many other people you've talked on this show about how she had bruises on her the day after but a photo taken at 1203 before the alleged rape occurred shows that she had bruises and open sores on her body we also have the 911 call... That is not what Newsweek says

19:44 At 12.03, she has... Yeah that's not what Newsweek says In the report it says they're already bruises at 12.03 Let me get another reaction from Monica Johnson-Hossler The executive director of North Carolina Coalition Against Sex Assault Your response I think what i would say to this Nancy is as Dr Baker spoke too earlier That when you have rape victims often times the story with seen As Mr Miller just stated irregular or inconsistent. And I think the reality is that the story often comes back to the victim in pieces because as Dr Baker always also said, it's something you don't necessarily want to recall and talk about at that point so i think thats the first thing I want to say about this case we shouldn't use the word irregular

20:29 Or it changes but really think to the fact that this is something that people are asking over and over again. The sexual assault nurse examiner, law enforcement her parents her family everybody wants to know what's happened Man so yeah So they had it out for him and in it's a reason why Duke is the epitome of whiteness And what I mean my whiteness is the wasp aspect of it, the white Anglo-Saxon apostate male. The way Duke got his money off of tobacco and other things that we're gonna get into later... It's very problematic Moe! Yeah this was the perfect and people hate Duke I mean there's a literal hate for Duke period. Okay so this has to be some kind of setup then? I'm just gonna jump ahead

21:26 Yeah, I mean we're not gonna it's not just the spoilers. Not going to be the outcome of the case because the case is 15 years old people know how ends yeah sure it was there It was the when you look back through it now through their 2021 lens And what we've seen now, you look at this case it's like oh yeah this was clearly a set-up. Like you're saying... You already peeped it out that this is This is a setup because the evidence is not there Do we need to uh for people who don't know living in different countries do we need to talk about the outcome so they have that for the context or is it okay just to go forward? Well this next clip jumps forward and its close to modern day times

22:05 So it'll explain what happened in the case. Like I said, they got off let me just say that right now They got off and rightfully so but this is Nancy Grace And she's gonna be called to how she handled a case by Jim Norton and Sam Roberts I never dreamed growing up on Red Dirt Road in the middle of nowhere as some people would say That I would ever have a show on HLN. So it was beyond anything I'd ever really dreamed of. Did you get, did they ask you to leave or did you want to leave? I wouldn't say that I wanted to leave. I felt like it was the right time for me to leave because I'm leaving behind a lot

22:47 But I'm going to where I want to go and I had like well. I'll be honest I had a problem with you for a long time because I felt like you were capitalizing on Tragedies, and I'm sure you were accused of that before it weren't now Were you capitalizing on this stuff as the crime victim myself? Um I guess it's the way you look at the world I invite crime victims on and tell stories from their point of view. I help find missing people, and help solve unsolved homicides." So what we tried to do is take a story... And I brought this really from my law school days where I would have to condense a very difficult and convoluted case into something simple. And did with juries to break down complicated and convoluted facts

23:36 and give it to them one, two three. That's how I look at cases. I usually come up with a moniker and for whatever case it is... It could be the scenario or it could be the defendant And that's what I call it. We have to ask you about the Duke rape case because you know look..I thought those guys were probably guilty too When I first saw them they didn't look good but then you you went after them pretty hard and mike nifong got uh... i guess he was disbarred and you didn't or did you come on a clear it up and i just thought it was well if u read the transcripts before you ask me the question there is no point that i ever said these guys are guilty although its been commonly very happily portrayed that idea of so i'm sorry i'm thinking to nancy grace could be a pretty good uh... propaganda agent

24:32 She is, you heard what she said? She said she's able to boil down complex ideas. Boil it down to three one two three boom You got a jury yeah that's the skill casting spells That's an example of casting spells and then she says that she grew up on the poor dirt road now this plays into the fact that This could be the source of hate that she had for Duke And these preppy... These are, these Duke, these Duke Lip Cross players were like the epitome of preppy douchebag, cocky jerks kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like they were the epitome of that and you heard what she said she grew up on a poor dirt road so it's-you saw this in Durham, living in Durham. Make in Georgia!

25:22 Yeah, so yeah but you saw this living in Durham that a lot of people that went to Duke came from up north out of New York. As you heard with the three guys he laid out where they were from there in the state of New York rich kind of like I said WASP-y people that come down south for the southern living. So they're not natural to that geographic area. There's always going to be conflict between the local white people and the Duke students. Oh yeah, no I told- this is great context! I had no idea...I don't know anything about Nancy Grace. Yeah so you should look it up. I do now! I'm looking at it now

26:03 So when she led off with that, I'll group on a poor dirt road. That was her I believe that was part of her motive like these rich No preppy right? Yeah, it totally makes sense with the first clip where she's like oh no don't tell me yeah Okay got it And then the fact like she says, she can boil it down to two or three words. That's why we saw the Kenosha kid. We see these kind of things now that play out where they just boiled down- Yeah, to one two three racist kid douchebag no good guilty so that I mean just to give it context and you heard her this is said She didn't never say that there were guilty but in a previous clip she said false

26:51 Rape victims only say that I mean are only occur like maybe 8% of the time right number she threw out there Yeah, so she said in ninety two. There's only 92 percent chance they're guilty is what? She put that but a lot of people who do stuff like that and dude putting little tricky words So I'm looking at you Dvorak little tricky words You can come back and they're like no no no no I never said that okay Give yourself out as he gave herself. He never said it And you said she said read the transcripts. She never said it, but she also Floated the idea that they were guilty and she even said who cares about these innocent kids You know that kind of thing she's a you're gonna lead with two innocent people which if being a lawyer I would expect more from her because she said this she went to law school so I think their innocence should be the first thing and being a lawyer But that goes to show you

27:44 These people don't care anything about law and justice. I mean, they don't care about law they care about justice and as we said that justice is not what they... What we term it to be justice. It's equity. With respect to lawyers people who have studied law and you know it's easy for people to hate lawyers which but I don't many of my friends are lawyers But the... You're blessed. Many of my friends are black and many of my friends are lawyers! I'm so blessed, yes. No but if you look at who's on television if you look at who's in Congress now that's changing it's a hell just a heckle of a lot of lawyers

28:29 almost pre-record see almost yeah, you have to study law and And I'm always amazed that Fox can always find the hot looking lawyers. That's that's the thing that always amazes me But yeah it is You have to have a law degree and in that it's like just you're just learning but you know some special language and you know, you you know some certain Certain things by heart and you understand some principles and then you good to go. You're in a whole different atmosphere whole different stratosphere Well, the problem with law is you should be whatever the facts say. But like with journalism that we're seeing everything becomes opinion. Now it's about opinion and then what we saw with Nancy Grace it was about opinion so yeah they got

29:18 The guys got off. I guess this would be a good time to get some of the details of the case before we move forward, OK? Just that you know what we were always hearing on the ground because I was hearing this from local news just wake up in the morning getting ready for work and this is the new story that we kind of heard and it was basically when it first hit It was that she was raped by 20 lacrosse players right That was the rumor on the streets. I mean that, let me just give you what was going around town. She was raped by 20 lacrosse players including a broom handle so everything was incensed and inflamed Wow but that wasn't reported on the radio? That was just the word on the street

30:05 Well, it was kind of alluded to because there's some facts to each individual thing I pointed out. Because her original claim was that she was attacked by 20 guys and then she brought it down to three and there were some kinds of altercation between her and another stripper there with her just okay let me back up a little bit. I want assume nobody knows everything. No certainly not. Alright what happened is lacrosse players Wanted to have a party they called up a Escort service order two white strippers and they got a black and a half, you know And the black at that half-black so I mean that kind of ruining their party because they were looking for you know White girls. So the black girls come there miss Mangum The one that ends up being accusers she's high and drunk when she shows up There was a confrontation between her and uh

31:03 The players and then the other stripper in the players about penis size, and they're being too small that kind of thing and one of the players brandishes a broomstick And suggest that he'll use it as its next toy. So that's how to broom came into the room I'm just telling you this is how um Because it was very inflamed in Durham, very inflamed to the point of... The police received a 911 call from a woman complaining that white men gathered outside the home where the party took place had called her racial slurs and threatened to sodomize her with a broomstick. Right but the rumor was that she was sodomized with a broomstick and attacked by 20 men So you imagine that hitting the ground like a lock

31:49 go halfway around the world before the troops passed, that kind of thing? 2006 Moe. What was your communications network with your friends if you had a text message? We had internet but nobody would email or anything like that so it was really phone calls. Was it MySpace? Nextel chirps! Nextel chirps?! Yeah, like the nextel walkie-talkies That was a big thing Nooo You really have those? Yeah, that was the thing. That was the next tell shirt. Yes! That was a thing. Oh man... Now did they have range or did they talk to the network? Didn't they? Yeah it's you talked to the network and it just came through as like a walkie-talkie shirt And who could you talk to? Anybody else that had a Nextel

32:41 I'm dating myself. Holy, I'd forgotten all about this man. Oh yeah the next teller that was that was the that was the that was the you need to get an OT OCG next him That's that's that's too funny man, I love them So then another fat came out with the McFadden email and this was a couple hours at the party ended Robert Fadden a member of lacrosse team sent an email to other players saying he plans to have ego most strippers up Oh yeah, see? That's what I'm trying to say. The next to a chirp that was the... That was the status symbol thing. That was like the iPhone before the iPhone Yeah exactly so okay alright i got you now

33:26 So there was email that was sent around and it was saying that to who would make a certain tomorrow night after tonight's show I'll decide to have some strippers over To eat and see. I think that's up the address wherever their address was It's all welcome However, there will be no nudity. I plan on killing them bitches excuse my language as soon as they walk in And proceeding to cut their skin off while, excuse my language here. Coming in my dupe issue spandex all emphasize arch tack two of the team members please respond so that was a reference to American Psycho I believe but the DA took it into any context. Took it as a serious threat

34:17 Right, so they invited but they were like they wanted white girls before the email was to even send out So that's the weird thing. But they made it seem like this is a modern-day You know I clan rally Oh Yeah It was it was uh, it was a huge thing but the funny thing was is no none of the establishment Machine as you would say like at NAACP anybody really touched this because Duke has Duke has power. We're gonna get with this go ahead and get to some of that but before we do They had to go to the B team of race hustlers. And this was a guy named Malik Shabazz, of the new Black Panther Party not the new New Black Panther Party but the newest iteration at that time and he's on with Michelle Malkin from Fox News and this is after The charges have been dismissed I apologize if we're going out of order But it'll make sense in a minute but here they are their exchange

35:20 In the Factor follow-up segment tonight, as you may know the Attorney General of North Carolina has dropped all charges against three Duke lacrosse players who were accused of rape sexual assault and kidnapping last spring. When that happened the new Black Panther Party descended on the Duke campus demanding justice We will be here from gavel to gavel until when the final jury verdict is read and we demand and are pursuing that this jury verdict come back guilty against the accused. It should come back what? Guilty! It should come back what? Guilty! How do you find, uh, the two defendants-the three defendants in this case? Guilty!

36:03 When the case started to fall apart, Malik Shabazz, the general counsel of the Panthers entered the no spin zone. But I never said they were guilty of rape. I said they were guilty and I still stand to say that this case is a strong case for sexual assault, kidnapping charges that can and probably will leave these young men behind prison walls. And if the cases drop will indicate to you society is racist? It would prove to me Mike Nifong doesn't know what he's doing Wow, I love that. No no i didn't say guilty of rape they were guilty of being white you know and they were just guilty man now are you seeing the similarities now to last show yeah only it's what's interesting is that this is happening on fox news at the time with bill o'reilly

36:52 Yeah, it's the same. He's playing the role of Tucker basically yeah It is definitely like a you know I repeat of history but um history or just Repeat of the act well the cap the council. I mean they cancelled blueprint This is we see that only difference was this was pre social media right and pre all they can do is take away your next L chirp Right, so you couldn't get the information and this is kind of where Black Lives Matter was kind of birthed out of the fact that you had to depend on Malik Shabazz, they get the black Panther Party. To show up I mean they couldn't make it and get boots in the ground or give people to show up as easy as a cool black lives matter when they came through with the whole social media apparatus that can mobilize people this could have been very bad if it was then I mean if social media wasn't around being

37:51 like it is even what two three years later? Yeah, it was just about... well Twitter was coming in around this time. It was or Facebook at least for sure Right, so I mean just saying this is how it used to work. And this is why people like Al Sharpton were so valuable then because he would get these kind of guys on the phone like hey we need boots down in Durham. Yeah, he could mobilize his action network. So let's go ahead and listen to the second part Mr. Shabazz joins us from Washington, good evening what do you have to say for yourself now Mr. Shabazz? I have to say that i am disappointed in the terrible performance of Mike Nifong that the victim who is Kim the accuser in this case

38:40 is a real victim here and I still believe that something criminally went wrong in that house and this cage was bought, was botched by prosecutors in this case. So I will not apologize and I will not apologize in my defense of black women who have been raped and abused by white men over 1 million 600 thousand black women have been sexually assaulted and raped by white men since we came here on slave ships, none of them have been prosecuted. I will not apologize for defending black women." You're not going to apologize to the Duke lacrosse team that you smeared? That you convicted? Didn't you hear the North Carolina Attorney General's statement? Didn't you hear that they said... Did not hear. ...that they-the evidence is there was no attack

39:28 i'm not aware that i didn't hear that on the criminal defense attorney many clients and i've had the cases have been dropped against them but i can say then nothing went wrong what i hear is political pressure that a powerful white university with powerful rich white defendants uh... the black woman the case has been thrown out beneath all didn't interview to witness in charge of case properly Me phone night didn't give exculpatory evidence to the defense. It is me phone who botched this case and all women who will bring sexual assault charges in the future are adversely affected by this Wow that's so similar with the blaming the lame-ass lawyers hold on a second

40:18 What is this over 1 million black women have been raped by white men since the beginning of the country? What is this all about? Is this a number? Plantation I know rapes, but how don't know where he got that number from How do you get on number who knows what the number is um, but it rolls out the tongue. It's a good push back, he knew he was wrong. He knew they had no case and he got duped, he got got I mean that's all it is to it and As you heard him say, Nifong is at the center of this. Which Nifong has some very ulterior motives for pushing this case and letting go as far as it is but he did bring up one great point these are powerful white boys young men from powerful families and they're backed by one of the biggest powers I mean you can't even imagine how powerful Duke is seriously

41:16 The only thing I could equate it to, I have a clip here from show 66 throwback and they Duke has the same relationship with Durham that John Hopkins has with Baltimore. Yes, okay. So let's get this clue and that takes me to my next question the relationship between Hopkins and the local black residents in East Baltimore You know you talk about And the relationship of medical institutions in general you talk about from doctors to robbing graves You have a section in your book about that, which is really fascinating. You talk about how Hopkins was known as the plantation and you know there's also people like Henrietta Lacks whose genetic material was harvested by Hopkin without her consent as well

42:09 That's true. And so one of the Hopkins presidents once said that Hopkins is not a good neighbor, and all this has come to play in East Baltimore where people remember days when 1200—the homes of 1200 black people were demolished in order for Hopkins to construct a dormitory housing 200 white nurses and doctors. So there's lots of distrust toward the Hopkins, and in the recent controversies that we soon talk about all this has come to play everything that Hopkins has done in the past all its crimes have been mentioned. Henrietta Lacks experiments with lead paint or kinds of other stuff

43:00 Yeah, fine bunch of people so it's the plantation I mean in and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way But what I mean is they they generate so much Jobs and money but also James Buchanan who established Duke he had tobacco plantations I mean, yeah. That's where it comes out of but even when slavery ended it was the same mentality that you had to either work at Duke or work at one of the... It's the American way Moe what are you complaining about? The weird thing is that you have this large number of black people because Durham at one point was like 50-50 so there's this weird relationship between you have a large number of black people

43:50 But they're dependent upon this one entity. All the white people in the powerful center of the... It is really one family, it's the Duke family because we're gonna get into the Duke history and how power... When people you think it dumb ass this question before we get into that when you think of Duke what do you hear? Well, okay I'm glad you asked me that because I was actually gonna ask you why When we think of top universities is Duke rarely mentioned. It's always Stanford its Harvard Its Yale Why is Duke rarely mentioned? I'm not quite sure why and now

44:26 Mind you, I didn't really go through the US school system. I went to Salem College West Virginia just for three months it was not for me so I don't understand the affinity even with the university although I comprehend it I don't know. I mean, i'm just-I'm looking at Duke right now and going holy crap 50 Rhodes Scholars amongst alumni this is a very powerful entity This is a this is a powerful group of people and I don't know why it's never mentioned Amongst all the other Ivy League elite schools They have they there are ivy like a ivy but not an ivy You know in the weird way because it's in the south That's one thing um

45:09 And it's the way their family set it up to be that way. Even though is a very high level school, I mean Institute of Higher Learning they have... They're preppy but they're humble at the same time and still with the founders that made it this way so I want to get into some history but you only mentioned the university This family was infused in tobacco, which tobacco was like the lifeblood of North Carolina. But they got into other things as well and this is how they wielded so much power the Duke family did. So what I have now is The Duke Family History with Robert Durden which he is a Duke University emeritus professor and author numerous books on Mr. Duke

46:00 The Dukes marched to their own drummer. They were independent-minded people and one of the best early examples of that is right after the Civil War when the Republican Party first comes into North Carolina, it did not exist anywhere in the South before the Civil War but it comes into the South as part of Reconstruction after the Civil War Washington Duke became a Republican Now that was not a country club sort of thing to do. It was not a stylish thing to do at all because in the eyes of the white majority, Washington Duke was one of... now there were other white Republicans they were known as scallywags you know the carpetbaggers with the northern born Republicans who came south but the Republican Party in the South after the Civil War consisted of the great majority of them when African Americans got the vote most of the blacks became Republicans

46:57 Carpetbaggers and Scallywags. Washington Duke became a lifelong Republican, and so did Ben and then Buck later too you know Buck's idea of the greatest president the nation ever had was William McKinley And he had this huge statue of William McKinley on his estate in New Jersey I think Doris later gave it to some little town in Ohio But they weren't afraid to be different So I think that kind of answers your question. Yeah, yeah this is great! I had no idea about the Duke family it's just fantastic so they were lifelong Republicans they know post-civil war which that mean North Carolina that was a very unpopular thing considering you know the Dixiecrats and that kind of thing but they understood i believe that they still had a lot of black labor and to have good

47:55 relations with that black labor force. you know, they had to have certain appearances. But it's weird because there are Southern family but then you have all these Northerners that would come out of New York, New Jersey area and that makes up the student body of Duke so I could say this is weird microcosm Durham was a very interesting city in just the makeup of it and who wields the power but definitely Duke And I say, don't use it as disrespectful especially to the people that work at Duke when i say its the plantation. But its that mentality of thats the single source of work. Its the same my buddy Dave is in Birmingham Alabama and University of Alabama same thing

48:46 Everyone works for the University of Alabama. It's huge research money, huge government money I mean it's crazy. They control everything Yeah, because you have the school. You have the tobacco or mean which tobacco is kind of dead right now but at the time like when this was being created a lot of black men working those tobacco factories and tobacco warehouses and made it good living don't know I mean they made a very good living for your sand for the skills that they had but they had even more power than than that we can get into part two

49:25 In 1896 I think it was, Washington told the new president of Trinity College, President Kilgo that he would give Trinity a hundred thousand dollars which was a lot of money then if Trinity would admit women on an equal footing with men. Well, Kilgo and the trustees of Trinity said we'd love to have women! We're glad to have women So long before Charlottesville or Chapel Hill smelled the coffee, Trinity College is admitting women on equal footing with men Now they didn't have the facilities for them And they wouldn't have until later on when The Women's College comes into existence as part of Duke University

50:05 But Trinity began to admit women quite early. One of the earliest interest of the family outside of Durham was the Oxford Orphans Asylum, which is still up in Oxford North Carolina Pa, Washington Duke. Pa and Ben would get on the early morning train back in the days when we had a lot of train service and ride up to Oxford's spend the day at the orphanage you see what they needed and then see that they got what they could give to help help the orphanage so that later portion of the child care section within Dama grew out of a pattern of family involvement. So family is a huge

50:51 It's going to be a huge component of this show. And the lack of family and what the power of family is, but this made the dudes benevolent right? They were giving money away creating hospitals, this kind of thing letting women go to college on equal footing they were like I said very forward thinking and benevolent but at the same time it was still that plantation mentality elitism to go with it. It's kind of like the company store, right? What do you mean by that? Well it's like if the university runs everything then all commerce everything around that is tied to it so everyone works for one way or another and they can really move people even in out of their homes I would say

51:47 Yeah, and I guess we can go ahead and get to the third clip now because the hospital and the tobacco was one great source of money but it's this new business they got in that really gave them power. From a very early period Washington Duke and then Ben and Buck gave money to the Methodist Church in particular to poor Methodist churches and to Methodist preachers So that portion of the endowment grew out of the family pattern. Now I used to fudge a bit, slide over this and argue that the Dukes business partner George Watts gave Watts Hospital to the white people in Durham in 1890's well then Duke contributed to that and I'm sure Ben Duke sat on the board of trustees

52:41 And then in the early years of the 20th century, 1901 or 2, I can't remember Ben and Buck gave the money for a hospital for African-Americans in Durham The Lincoln Hospital So as I say, I used to fudge here and say well that hospital business was unnatural Now that was an error because the Dukes were not really very much involved in health care The healthcare portion at the Duke Endowment is primarily Buck Duke's original contribution or his singular contribution to the whole endowment pattern. That business of helping communities build non-profit community hospitals, that was Buck Duke's vision. You'd help those communities who were willing to help themselves they had to do some digging themselves for money and then the endowment would move in and help them

53:43 Mmm, so they were there when grain themselves and everything that was going on in the town Going on over there. Let me throw some money at it So it was kind of hard to escape the reach of you got to keep everybody healthy and everybody working That's how it works. Yeah, so all of this they still had issues with the same issue that John Hopkins, Johns Hopkins ran into where their hospital ran. So this just says a little clarity my first daughter was born at Duke Hospital. All right so like I said this is the weird thing because

54:27 The tension is always there with Duke and like the students, they share proximity with poor neighborhoods. You have Walltown and several other surrounding like you know what I'm saying? Poor neighborhoods that are just basically divided by a wall. A stone wall that goes around the campus as a short wall but still it's like this is campus this is not campus and if there was harmony there or was...I mean I don't live there now so Gentrification is really kicked in at similar what we're seeing in the John Hopkins clip But it's like I said, It's just this weird you know This castle and a middle of town and there's representative of the ingrained power of this old money

55:16 And I think people get caught, another reason why I want to bring this up is the show is. I think people get caught up in the new money and the tech industry- Right and they forget about all of these really old established infrastructure literally. I think you were looking into the McGill or something? What was that? Oh the Cargill family yeah it's another one of those oh my goodness so there are some fun ass people Yeah so the Dukes are the same way This is the... The tech money is cool, but when you have an endowment? Oh yeah and it's even better than that. You don't hear about the Cargill family no you hear about Bill Gates with his fake meat right that's by design Bill Gates is just a talking head for the Cargill family so I imagine with Duke it's exactly the same

56:06 It's the endowment. You never hear about the family or anything, it's just... But this money is still there and its power is still there And for a DA like Nifon to think you're gonna take some of their boys and railroad them he was a fool to think that because This is who your going against I mean your going against a whole school that produces lawyers I mean it was a fools errand I don't know what he was thinking unless it could have been a coup Like I said, the student, excuse me, the faculty at the college were all for it. For railroading these lacrosse players but before we get into that, I want to get into a little bit of medical history and this is kind more reflective for men. We're talking about why black people don't really go to hospital or doctors and things

56:58 This is going to answer some of that into more detail. So I guess we can go ahead and get to third before we start this is Dr Damon Tweedy, Tweety excuse me and he's the author of Black Man in a White Coat And this is uh, I believe PBS and he examines racial disparities in medicine both for patient and medical professionals so this will give bit of context even at Duke how progressive it is He worked at Duke and this is some of his experience that he witnessed. Being black can be bad for your health, it's a lesson Damon Tweedy writes in his new book Black Man In A White Coat, a doctors reflection on race and medicine that he learned time again in his own life and as many years as a doctor. Tweedy is a psychiatrist at Duke University where he also attended medical school and welcome to you. So there's... You start with this big subject, is that what started

57:51 for you that you wanted to write about? Yeah, so racism is really a highly charged political subject that we have in our society obviously. But for me this was very personal story and this is really kind of about my experience and my journey. All too often in medical school you learn about health problems within the black community You hear this disease it's more common than this It's always more common with black people but you didn't really hear why So there wasn't any question of why which was a huge issue for me And also there was big question This is how my experience as a young black man was different than the experiences of other people in my class. Well, that comes through because you're also saying that... As a young doctor-in-training You're saying constantly hearing about the medical frailties of black people picked at the scab of your insecurity? You did not set out thinking about medicine and race No! I was actually attracted to medicine It's sort like this... it almost like post racial kind of mindset i had

58:44 Medicine to me held its appeal of being objective, you know formulas equations It was really that was appeal so much as society is messy and life is messy as a black person So this it was an appeal that it could be objective And then when I got the medical school, I kind of got a rude awakening that it wasn't Okay. This is also very relevant today Of course we know the Rona kills black people because of their skin If you will listen to the narrative but they don't never tell you why or they're giving any explanation It's just that it kills black people. Yeah at a higher rate, but there's no discussion and that's because they is the cost of the narrative right? And he got into medicine because of being objective. Surprise surprise. Yeah, is it in today as a business so even out of school like do this

59:39 Was very progressive as you heard from the family and the creation of the whole endowment and what they try to do. It was still these opportunities for it to be right in, for it to be racism. And let me, let me do as seen is racist I mean, this is almost synonymous when you hear Duke. Well yeah, you think of David Duke and there's Duke all over the place? Yeah, I didn't want to lead you but that's great marketing that his last name is Duke because it's baked in racism and Duke is baked into it Into the like the name and the whole business, and I think they tried to The endowment tries to you know get away from this but these kind of situation right here made it worse for them And that's why are you gonna see this kind of attack so? But I want to get into his doctor story because it's another topic. I want to bring up this personal to me So let's get into number 14 well when you refer your insecurities what do you mean yeah? I come from

1:00:44 Prince George's County, Maryland. It was an all-black neighborhood that I grew up in just outside of Washington DC and I went to a state college And I got to Duke Dukes fancy private school a lot of my classmates had parents who were doctors? And so I was willing secure about that and as a black person there is always this sort of The thing about is affirmative action part of why you're here and do you really belong? So I was grappling with all those things when I first got to medical school. You write about a number of incidents that you witnessed in which you saw white doctors unaware of the different ways that they were treating black patients, how much in the end did you conclude that race does play a factor in the doctor's room, in the hospital room?

1:01:22 I think it plays a big factor and often in ways that the doctor and patient may not even be aware of. There are several examples I talk about in the book, there's one example particularly that comes to mind off the top my head this is when I was going to the clinic myself as a patient so I'm coming from home Had injured my knee a few days earlier And I'm dressing very casually in sweatpants and sweatshirt, and I come into the exam room with the doctor He comes in he never looks at me. Just looks at my knee and sort of has me stand up and down It then says you're okay kind was going to shuttle me away and being a doctor I knew that there was more that could be done or should have been done so I mentioned to him that I'm a doctor and then suddenly he looks at me his eyes kinda light up

1:02:01 He looks at my knee, he starts to talk to me and so it really engages in a sort of doctor-patient exchange the way that it should have been from the beginning. And there was a really vivid illustration of how differently I can perceive you know on one hand I could just be young black man who's off the street somewhere and who knows what negative assumptions may have had because they didn't engage with me all then once he realizes that I'm a doctor It was like a totally different experience So I think that really illustrates how different things can play out in exam room This is interesting, this is a book I would be interested in. It's Black Man In A White Coat? Mm-hmm Have you read it? No, I haven't. I've watched several of his hour-long speeches on the book. Who needs a book when we got to YouTube? Right! We can just get an hour long... He gives you the best parts of other books But two things he brought up One is the Am I here because I'm a token affirmative action kind of hire I think they call them diversity hires now

1:03:03 Yeah, it's a thing called imposter syndrome I don't know if you heard about her or not and I plan on doing a bigger show on it But I want to get into it now just as this because he brought it up Impostor syndrome is am. I here? Because of you know I'm a token or a far right diversity higher yes when you feel like an imposter Right, which can also happen when you land a job and you're faking it till you make it And you really don't know what the hell are you doing true? But I think the true sense of it is that you are qualified but you still never feel oh that you okay agreed totally That's your new belong. I think that's key word that you're there or people accept that you were yeah that you are Qualified because this is the double-edged sword over front of action Is that

1:03:58 Yeah, it gets people in the door but when you get a man with lower standards then people are going to assume you were recipient of that lower standard. And I actually did live on this a little while back and saying so if people want to check it out But yes, I thought that was one thing and then hit the way that doctor saw him once he gave him his credentials It didn't change the fact that he's black So it's not it's not a point about black or white innocence Because you heard where Nancy Grace was coming from she's a white woman But the fact she grew up in a dirt road You know, she looked at Duke a certain way even though she's white and they're white sure That's class. That's right That's the main point And I want to point out that here once the guy all your one of us you saying you got a white coat too Then I'll treat you like a human and that's that thing goes

1:04:55 this, you know us and them kind of mentality that goes on. Right but in this okay but is it in this case it's not racial? It's more of he looks like a poor kid off the street or as a poor black kid off the street? It's the assumption that your poor I mean This is where the racial wealth gap falls into it. The fact that so many black people are poor, you know what I'm saying? You assume- That's how you get the association. I got it. Right! It's the same thing with affirmative action. So many people do qualify due to affirmative action. Do you happen to know numbers? What percentage of black Americans are poor? Do you happen to know?

1:05:40 What do we say poor what you mean like the poverty line or the poverty line? Yeah, well you will have I would say I wouldn't use that. I will look at medium income Okay, and and they pointed it out in a clip with Nancy Grace. She was like, all their medium income is 100 thousand 150 thousand and then we got to you know people from Durham are black you know saying it would be significantly lower so medium income is significantly lower I don't have the numbers right off hand but its definitely lower and that's the whole racial wealth gap thing and it's real because you know we don't have... Right but just my point is people who live in Durham around Durham are going to be predominantly medium income, because all the money is centered in that power center and everyone else is just serving it.

1:06:31 Right, I mean you don't have generational wealth just passed down that kind of thing. It's the institutional problems and if I was saying like things like atonement aka reparations are needed because Then we can get okay we can move on Exactly it solves the problem Okay here We know one group had a head start in No In their race called America You know, we didn't get out of the start block as fast as other groups have. And then it's like okay I'm running just as fast as you or even faster than you but your head started so much bigger that I can never catch up. It's not going to happen now

1:07:19 It'll be hard for you to have a black Duke family. You know what I'm saying? Like with the aspects of tobacco and, you know, the slave labor and those kind of things... Those institutions that's kinda hard to recreate when you don't have no we're still playing in the game right. The only way to start with generational wealth where there are two ways one is three ways One is the phony baloney stock market I'm not sure how much longer you can actually do that with that with that but and along with that comes High-tech big tech Silicon Valley, and then my personal favorite Bitcoin put that maybe for a different episode Well, it's the thing though. But if you have a thousand to put in I have a thousand you have ten thousand or hundred thousand Even though we're both making money on Bitcoin

1:08:09 it'll always be a disparity there and that's what you're seeing play out with this whole uh i didn't expect to go here but that's what you're seeing play out with the whole inflation thing hold on a second hold on a second I don't come from generational wealth per say, or at least not where I can. Not the direct part I mean, I literally had to pay taxes for both my mom and dad when they both passed away. So it might have been there but someone screwed it up along the way so I'm just saying that in Bitcoin you and I could theoretically be kind of starting at the same point True what I was saying is for institutions of the top of

1:08:57 When you look at the top of the... No, I understand but I'm just saying. Yeah? I'm just saying you're correct that will never get fixed we'll never beyond Atonement moving forward I'm just saying there's an opportunity that is equal for everybody. Oh yeah, and there has always been opportunities for equality, and I want to point that out... But also to start new generational wealth that may be worth something in six generations from now Right, but like with him he says that when he went to school his classmates parents were doctors Second generation in so That's not like I said That's the hard problem and all the reason why I'm bringing all this up is all this plays out into How do look to the public? Like those rich white kids that have silver spoons their mouth You know

1:09:55 you know, they deserve to get... we need equity. I guess what i'm saying Moe is that it's a knee-jerk reaction because i'm really concerned about my kids your kids right? I guess what i'm saying is while we're figuring it out and while we're moving forward with trying to normalize inter race relations in America really Americans with Americans because it goes beyond race these days I'm just saying let's not forget to look at some of the opportunities we can take advantage of now. And that's the point i'm making, for him to be a doctor lets you know that there is opportunities there just like this opportunity to make money now for everybody yeah and it's the point i'm trying to make is we shouldn't think oh like this doom and gloom mentality like we would never be able to get out of poverty Look at Nancy Grace she was eating dirt from a dirt road

1:10:53 Millionaire right and that's the point. That's the point right there, but that goes to show you that their mental shackles are The real problem this is why they remain and they remain yeah And this is why I attack victim victimization Victimhood in the mind these kind of things That's the real racism Yeah Is you know thinking that the opportunity is not there right if you know? It's kinda like the glib has been taken out the jar where if you bump your head on a lid enough times usually Usually like oh, it's the lid still there or if people keep telling you. There's a lid there. There's a lid there There's a lid their which critical race theory which that plays into it So all of this like I said All of this plays into it and this all manifests itself out onto this trial when we get to it I know people are so gonna talk about the trial but we have to set it up

1:11:39 In this sense, so no people are getting people or not. People are sitting there drinking a glass of wine There may be smoking something that chill they're sitting with their loved one going yeah Let it go mo roll it out slow All right, so let's go ahead and get the number 15 minute became a psychiatrist is why? Great question. I never thought when I went to medical school that I would become a psychiatrist, but as it got towards the end of medical school and took this one rotation just on a flyer and really enjoyed it and the patients told my supervisors that I had a way with relaxing people in getting them talk to me and I had a way connecting with people so that really made me think about psychiatry there's also this huge issue is African-American mental health in black community is really big deal because often black

1:12:25 will be resistant to mental health care or feel like it's something that is not for them. And there is this huge sort of stigma that we often deal with, and so as a psychiatrist I've often been one of the only few black psychiatrists and so there's a huge deal there as well. Well this is something important you have written about, the dearth of black doctors generally Yes. And your pointing at that as one of the important factors why blacks fare so poorly in the medical system. Why? Why is it important to have more black doctors? Yeah, so African Americans make up about 13% of the population but about 4% are physicians and mental health and psychiatry's about the same really low numbers And what you often see is that there's this issue that patients don't trust the healthcare system because there has been a bad history of things that have happened in the past So often as a black doctor I'm there to help sort of be a translator in a way

1:13:16 So that's why we need more black doctors. At the same time, I saw recently Association of American Medical Colleges a new report that applications from African-American men have declined in 1978 to recently? Why? Yeah so the numbers for black women have actually increased during their time but i think there is this bigger issue about the way society from very top down kind of sets limits and horizons and expectations what african american man can be And I think it really filters down starts at the top and filters down into communities Wow, all these things I hadn't considered. You and I never talk about mental health type stuff...I mean we- I think we're always talking about our own mental health as men that's very interesting and meanwhile black America is just going like dude you dumb shit stop it don't do that no!

1:14:13 What part? Don't take the vaccine. Yeah, that but there are some things that we do ignore I mean just common sense health decisions. Oh, yes of course of the whole system right the dangers of it's like oh man Tuskegee They say we go Sam dada da we fill in the blank and it's like well me eat this sugar What what a doctors know? It's like well that'll kill you or I'm gonna eat this salt What do they know it right? Well, you know was really impactful for me is how you and your younger Of course

1:14:50 But how you were talking on the live about Magic Johnson and when you found out that he the magic Johnson had AIDS And what an impact that hit it had on you Yes as a young man. How old were you then? What was that 92 93 something 12 13 years though Yeah, but yeah, and but I think also for four and I'm just gonna use it for your community Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm sure that was really like holy crap And that's just another part of it. That's just another notch in this whole distrust of everything and then this pandemic where its like, oh yeah black and brown people are disproportionately dying It's like holy crap! They keep pushing the shit out no wonder. Its not good to live in a state of paranoia all the time

1:15:44 or skepticism all the time. That lends to mental health problems, when you have the double and triple think things like okay where's the double cross? Well it could be a triple cross! Or it could be a quadruple cross... You know that kind of thing. And that's actually how I live all the time. Welcome to The Bottom! I'm always thinking what kind of scam is this huh alright maybe someone else is scamming the scammer And this is how it has trickled over into, this is the point of this show. When these guys called those escorts up they were living in the world like oh we can man do what we want to do you know I mean escort wasn't actually legal then but I'm sure there was kind of some kinda rules but like rules moves and when I say we're white kids at Duke we can do whatever we wanna do that's the mentality of it

1:16:34 as college students should kind of feel that way, right? You're young. You know what I'm saying you should have fun that kind of thing but for me or in my mind it'd be like oh well you know this could go wrong and that could go wrong and that could go wrong you know what let's just stay at home that kind of thing so... I've told you the story about the basketball team when i was at Salem College No! You didn't And uh we were in Salem and Clarksburg was I don't like 40 minutes down the road That's where McDonald's was and I had a car, I had a Chevy Nova straight six Chevy Nova. And my roommate Ty he was black so and he would hang out with the basketball team they're like oh let's get Curry to drive us we'll go to McDonalds okay

1:17:18 And so I got six black guys in the car, we're driving down the highway in West Virginia and I'm doing like 65 and they're in the back going yo-yo-yo cuz, slow down cuz. You cool blood? you cool? you cool? I'm like what man just cruising on and on and only now do I think about it and go oh yeah no kidding I was a calculation their head is like, hold on. We got a white dude with six of us! But I came from Amsterdam right? It's uh...I had no con- I had no context and but the calculations going through their heads were we got a white guy here with six of us if he gets pulled over get scared you know what i'm saying? The sheriff gonna be like hey

1:18:02 You can go just give us something on them. You know, just give us something you know that That's a real and that's their paranoia like a real-time calculation Yeah And these guys were from South you know from like Trenton and you know all East Coast and so they were it was me middle class but they knew what was up and they They knew what West Virginia could be a little different culturally But only now do I realize Because I was just oblivious. Interesting, okay And i'm just pointing out that before and this time you didn't you or young white men didn't have to do these calculations But now fast forward 15 years Oh yeah You really got to think about it? I can't say that Or how will that land if I say this Well yeah for most people Now I've created a life and a job in uh In an environment where I can literally speak whatever the hell I want to say all the time

1:18:58 and not have to worry about losing my job. Well, I mean like I can worry value can drop than if I mess it up but then violated some horrible norms but for most people is just gotten progressively worse especially in the office environment or the work environment the workplace And this was their first iteration of like I said the woke culture showing his head and the cancel cannon We got a burn Duke burn Duke That's the point so So now I saw you. I was very connected to do and the reason why is this next two clips? It's from my former pastor which is named another doctor Dr.. William Turner, and I think he was over at the School of Divinity at Duke He was also our pastor which

1:19:45 Mount level Baptist Church in Durham, North Carolina and it was you know It was a very powerful thing to have You know a doctor a PhD a legit PhD not one of these Bible college kind not knock them but there's There's uh just to show you there is a double standard. They're it's like where'd you get your PhD from? Oh do okay. Your real doctor. Yeah, not like a doctor So So here he had a sermon called the beloved, okay Beloved and Unloving Chaos. So he kind of talks about the environment of Duke when he went there and God he had to be in like the 60s and 70s when he was there as A student and he gives that kind... He gives us perception of Duke And this is kinda like teaching that I could set up under As a young kid you know what i'm saying until teenage years

1:20:42 What are the consequences of knowing yourself as beloved and believing that everyone else is beloved just like you then set that reality over against the one of knowing That you are beloved and seeing those who around you treat it like they are not Beloved even more

1:21:20 To see them abused, treated like they are despised objects tools for the convenience of others. What we knew about being beloved was set alongside what we saw and it produced great contradiction and tension 50 years ago right here on this campus Those of us coming from our own discreet privileges were forced to acknowledge what they were. It blew my mind to find out that the men on this campus, the West Campus received maid service That is a woman, a person, a human being would come behind us and pick up our pajamas and anything else we left

1:22:20 When we came back all was set in place So that's dr. William on William C Turner of Duke University and Mount Little Baptist Church I don't know if he still there now or not yes, yeah, but I just look at their website man He said I was what 19 years old he does the sermon there? He does the sermon seated I can see oh He's a little less he has to sit down during the sermon so he oh, yeah But I'm going to show you that when you grow up in this kind of environment where your pastor is a PhD from Duke Yeah You have several other people in the congregation from Duke and other universities. Oh When the music minister daughter was like a super genius and she went on to go to MIT

1:23:15 It was it gave us the perception like anything was possible sure you see so I'm just showing you how even An environment that he was saying like when he went to do the maids We're seeing his objects right, but he was look. He was loved right right? He's like okay Here's our black super student um we can love him, but then the main she's this object And it's this, like I said creative contradiction that goes on. So i'm just laying this all out that in this place called Duke you can have somebody receiving their PhD but they're getting their stuff picked up by a black lady. Just kind of looked at as like you know just to help so I'm just trying say I'm giving texture to what my experiences was and also what was going on at the campus

1:24:10 to you know, to develop this kind of culture. So hopefully he's translating. Yeah when was this? Did that clip from what was the date on it? This is 2018 Oh okay not that long ago yeah this is super recent so um yeah so he was saying 50 years ago so they had to be 1970s 1968 yep Um...so let's get into his second part of his clip The privilege I enjoyed was that i knew what it meant to be the apple of my mother's eye, the apple of my father's eye. The darling of my community My school...my church So great dissonance was precipitated on the inside from the natal knowledge of what it meant to be beloved and then to be treated as unloved

1:25:09 unwelcome. Even worse, to see people like the ones I cherished and who had come to love and who had cherished me treated like they were object of someone else's desire housekeepers called by their first names people whom we loved receiving pay below minimum wage, knowing the school patronized institutions that still practice racial segregation. Going to classes where your experience was disregarded That's how the time came when the meaning and experience of being beloved clashed with behaviors and performances that bespoke everything but love

1:26:05 We could keep our eyes fixed on the train that was coming. The train, the impression saying about it they said you don't need no baggage just get on board all you need is faith to hear the diesels humming." Alright what do I take away from that? So he was more... He was just saying Just like I said to get perspective that he was a star student and this goes at talented 10th boulay mentality of Okay, we'll accept you But and it leads to more than what the doctor were saying as well once. He knew I was a doctor Oh, he treated me like a human um So all this is baked into what Duke is And the reason why I put this these two clips in here is don't know get it twisted

1:26:58 The Duke understood donating money to the Methodist Church would trickle down to the African Methodists AME. Sure! Which was the reverends, which they say how to control people through the reverends. You always gotta have a rev. Right so they had all the bases covered and another reason I brought this up is the reverends were very quiet on this case They knew where their bread was buttered. Yeah, I'll bet that's why you had to go get a what was his name Malik Shabazz yeah You know any other time you would have had an Al Sharpton Jesse Jackson But they knew it's like ah you don't really want step on Duke's toes so Right yeah well this is there they are Durham and they are North Carolina's business

1:27:51 Yeah, I mean in more ways than one. So now we get into the other businesses that they took part in this is going back to the history clips from Robert Durden In the business area, I think the most creative thing he did was Duke Power Company. This was phenomenal creative, visionary sort of enterprise. He got into hydroelectric power when it was the frontier and so many people were scared of electricity they had to sell the idea of electricity to a lot of mill owners textile mill owners because they were scared out of it but I think that was a tremendous tremendously creative sort of thing

1:28:39 Now one reason he wanted, he got into hydroelectricity was because... He didn't talk a lot about his motives. His reasons for doing things but and he never once used the term New South as far I know. I never saw it But he was distressed about the poverty of this region after the Civil War. He grew up in it And I think he saw textile manufacturing as the best avenue out of this poverty And of course he wanted to sell hydroelectricity to these textile mills and that's exactly what happened. So the Carolina Piedmont became one of the great centers of the textile industry, now that day has passed but the textile industry laid a foundation for what today is one

1:29:35 prosperous, economically advanced regions in the country. Wow man that was 1905 when they put the...they used the dam Yes. To generate the electricity, that's like back to Tesla days almost it's not long after Niagara Falls Right and what that did was they opened up the textile mills Sure So now the dukes have the hospital They have the In case your hand gets in the mill right? In the gin, in the cotton gin The point I'm trying make is where are you gonna work if there's no duke connected You have the textile mills which is running off Duke Power

1:30:14 you have the hospital, you have the tobacco company and then you have the university itself. And it's damn near impossible to work in a place in Durham that is not influenced by Duke. Sure sure but yeah that's the same as like College Station has A&M and there are lots of places that have that rich rich history of multi generations but this one's quite unique So I'm just setting up the opponent that this woman and the DA were going against. Oh yeah, David and Goliath to the max! Are you dumb? Well sometimes if you're really trying to run a op or something... The bigger the lie, the more believable it is And that's the point It's like what really happened here Who really put that battery in Nyfons back

1:31:14 He knows, he knows the politics of who he's going against. Was this an inside coup? And we really have to look at that. An inside coup within Duke University? Yes! Well no matter what my money is on Buck Sounds like the guy to me yeah, so they have the textile mills. They have the hospitals they had them on the Tobacco warehouses that they have everything wrapped up in a whole city and this guy thinks he's gonna pull one over on the Duke lacrosse team And it's not gonna happen So I guess

1:31:58 What we can do is, we can go ahead and jump into 19A. And this is just a little fun fact This from the Duke University Sanford School of Public Policy and just to show you how some things that were going on in Durham are public news now Not only were not allowed to sell to non-Caucasians It was prohibited for you to have a non-caucasian spend the night unless they were a household servant. In the early 1930s, the White Women's Garden Club decided that Durham was really missing a tree county in order to make the city more attractive to people and make it more comfortable for people who lived here that the city should really undertake a massive tree planting campaign What was interesting

1:32:57 The only place the trees were planted were in well-to-do white neighborhoods like the one at Trinity Park that we're standing in right now here on Watts Street. Somehow I remember this. I don't know if we talked about it previously...

1:33:34 No, this is in the news recently. Trees are racist! Oh of course yes I'm sorry yeah my history just creeps up on me Right so this is the whole thing now with trees being racist that's the whole talking point like I said what was happening in this case happening at Duke was a really a test bed for what we're seeing with walk culture right now Huh Yeah, yeah the dude. I could see trees are racist trees are racist roads or races That's Durham because they ran and that's true not not the It's like somebody said the Puerto Rican buses that they were trying to take out the Jones Beach I'm talking about They use urban development to run Durham freeway right in the middle of a tie Which is a was the black Wall Street of Durham right so these things are real but

1:34:34 These woke people trivialize them to the point where they have no, uh... They lose their potency. To say oh rose are racist or trees are racist um But the thing with the trees I don't understand it why couldn't people plant their own trees? See this is this is the point which like you were saying with Bitcoin or whatever else Do your own thing Plant your own trees Don't wait for trees Uh, yeah don't wait for trees to show up Right But trees are one of the right, one of the really things that just as a quick aside that can show wealth. Because you can't buy a tree I mean you can but it's kind of like institutional wealth is to say wait has to be planted grown tended to or you could come in and just buy the property that tree has been grown on which basically your buying time Right You don't have time to wait for a tree to grow or you want a tree

1:35:33 Laws and trees that's like one of the most like Privileged things that you can have well That kind of goes back to what the pastor said and you can you can be a victim or you can Not feel like a victim right, and that's that's the point I was making that when people say oh what mo while you're kind of different Or whatever it's because I was incubated in In an environment, one being the home and that's why I say family is important a huge important component of this show because look at the Duke family. That was a family they set out to have a family vision And that's how you get to that point Right but just because you may not have grown up in that type of environment or that type of family doesn't mean you can't change

1:36:18 It's very hard. I mean because i'm not being a dude, but i'm just saying if you baked into your psychology That you can't do that there's a ceiling over your head This is this is a real thing and For every nancy grace or just take color out of it But for every nancy grace they grew up in that dirt road Yeah There's probably 50 that say you know what? I'll never get past this dirt road right so just going to show you that the psychological aspects of just the victim, victimization. The things that's sold in critical race theory this is all plays into this whole case but I had to lay it out in this way to say okay, this is who they're going up against and this is why they were so hated. They rep there were representations physical representation

1:37:17 These three boys was all the ire was put on them. This is just the wind up ladies and gentlemen, where did the pitch has yet to come? You know it's going to be great I think we should take a little break here. First of all white man and black man have to be able to sit down at the same table but white men has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro and the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under their rug out on top of the table, and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it." Yeah, and I think we've actually been doing some of that today on the show. Yes it's good this is the legendary words of Malcolm X and we're doing exactly that sitting down just talking about it now We got to talk about the value for value in which this has produced this entire podcast which means

1:38:11 exactly the way it sounds if you get any value out of listening to this no matter what it is that could be based upon three hours of entertainment for yourself or equivalent to a couple of courses at a university history class which is what it is to me turn that around into a number send it to us and that'll be the value and the great thing about this, its what the value means to you something that you gets determined And it is the only way that we can keep this going now more important than ever as Mo you're still in limbo on your company and your work? Yes I'm still in limbo of my employment status. And the value definitely is needed but I want to make one point about this show

1:38:57 It's not about the downward thinking of race. That's not what I'm trying to make is, I'm trying to show is functioning families in multi-generational thinking is that we're out to take away. I want people to take away from this. I'm just illustrating how these two things are colliding people that want you to be a downward thinker, and you know You can't achieve this and that kind of thing. And then show example up with the Duke family To say look they had plans for their family, you know what it's gonna be and that's kinda same thing I see that in myself. I have plans for my family and This podcast is the beginning of it? You know It's not the end and if everybody sends value alone there by into that

1:39:47 You know the bigger plan because there is a bigger plan. Yes, and it's interesting that you said this surrounds family because This truly is the Mo Fax fam yes the facts family And we got every god ideas for that stay tuned also thank you to everybody who has been diligently using a one of the new podcast apps though the uncancellable uninterruptible streaming payments of podcasting 2.0 you can get a new app at NewPodcastApps.com there's for any platform yeah I personally like the web players it has a Bitcoin wallet in there and you can stream value while you're listening to it use you hit play its start to hit stop it stops but you can also send a booster gram just like a super chat and

1:40:39 So we just got the software to read that and I was trying to compile the whole list and then it went away. And so, I promise for the next show i'll have a number of booster grams that people sent through. Moe you have no idea how cool is this to see little pieces of Bitcoin come into our wallet every single minute of every single day And that's what I'm talking about right there. That's the Ford thing, people have no clue Adam They have no clue how big this thing is gonna be and their value is the gasoline it's going to get us there. The dupe power! We're just stacking that we're just letting that sit in our wallet and that will maybe finance something bigger from that in the future Not today though as Bitcoin is about 50 thousand but were not worried

1:41:29 Come on, go Bitcoin. So once I keep talking but that's about perspective exactly 46 no no it's I love that you said I love that you said You need to grow a tree Bitcoin is the same way. It's not an in and out, boom here's my tree and now I get the Lambo no no this is three years five years ultimately ten years. I have wallets set up for every single child in my life and every single one of them has 1 million Satoshis in there

1:42:08 I said, see? That's my point. Yeah! Well i just started this and it's so... It's 1 million Satoshis which right now today is about $500 and when I look at all the kids that I'm connected to well it's actually more than I thought you know there's like 10-11 kids so uh... and they're all going to get the uh... that twelve keywords upon my death or added other time in the future and then they can do it whatever they want and no one can steal that from them knowing can take it away ever know government nobody no-no but this is a double s that's the thing right there at the end of it uh... hey you know what kind i need to do uh... some kinda bitcoin saying on the most facts entertainment enterprises network he should set me up

1:42:58 Get me in touch with the CEO. We definitely do we need to talk to the CEO all right now? Uh, we really appreciate people who've been sending in the Fiat fund coupons This is through the PayPal or the cash app this is super important because this actually is funding it while we continue To build for the future so doing both is even better and we got a kick at all Shot Carla 20 is blaze only We got to kick it off with Buddy Arsenault who comes in with a highly recognizable $333.33 and threes yes, it's a nice row of three he says the Kyle episode was enlightening I Still love you do

1:43:43 Still love you do not quite sure what if that was meant to be there I grew up in a lot of what you bring to the table. Please keep it going Please give me some and everyone some goat karma, maybe he's did some words are dropping out I think we'll do a Mo goad karma here hold on a second You've got Thank you so much man big baller that'll be in the credits in the show notes at mo facts calm really appreciate it This is this is good, man Because you know Moe is stacking as well with an uncertain future when do we know for sure? With I mean it's just energy where I have a definitive answer on the status It's leaning like it not. It's not it's not gonna go that way and but you know we'll see how it goes

1:44:32 It's not gonna go which way? That, uh... I don't think they're going to reverse the status of the mandate for the corporation. I don't think so! I think that whole OSHA thing was just a tip-of-the hat to these corporations Yeah right, I agree it seems like everyone is ignoring any lawsuits about it or anything Right So anyway The fam is with you Mo I appreciate every one of them. $250 and an executive producer credit for Colin McLean Moe, I appreciate you and Adam standing up against misinformation from the corrupt corporate media proudly unvaccinated in the communist state of Washington respect we much

1:45:14 Very good. Thank you Colin dance Houston $250 y'all swing by the Nutcracker party It's a Christmas family special available on Vimeo and Amazon Prime Video from $1 99 What is this an ad? Oh, no No I know who this is yo This is our producer who uh who I think is in it or produced it Yeah, yeah. Dan Huston tells the classic tale with new moves to Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite rearranged as hip-hop Latin country reggae and rock We're doing way more than sitting down together The amazing soundtrack is also available on all streaming platforms I've so we don't have the name but this producer also Sent in a somewhat longer note to no agenda and actually produced this nutcracker thing

1:46:02 Nice. Yeah, it's like you know it's like a Hamilton only the nutcracker Don't put that on We already laughed about it we are we gotta do a thing on Lin Manuel What's his name Noriega? I always say Talk about that guy okay Continuing, Lorraine Converse who sent us a row of ducks 222 and 22. ITMO and Adam, Hope I Know finds you in good spirits and your family's in good health? Yes! I believe we are. You don't have to read this loud if the episode is running long now it come on man Lorraine you're as an executive producer we read

1:46:42 EP. That's right, I'm sure everyone wants to hear you discuss the new topic then listen to my note Well we'll see many of the topics are difficult to delve into but your discussions are measured and considered without dumbing it down or condescending to your listeners Some past episodes have haunted me because of how brutal the reality is and I appreciate both of you handling the details in a manner that is respectful without suppressing the truth. As a result, I have encouraged friends and family to listen and a few have become subscribers! Please de-deadbeat me and add any other jingles you feel appropriate." Okay Congratulations You're no longer a deadbeat if you have I'm sending you tons of good awesome energy. Take that take that take that You've got karma And Lorraine includes many blessings much love thank you for your courage Dame brazen bird yes very much

1:47:42 On to Jason Kretschmann, $200. Hello gentlemen! Jason writes after hearing Adam reference MoFax on the No Agenda show several times... There I am doing the marketing. I decided to subscribe to the show but never listened to an episode until recently Well, not a shocker. But I waited too long! Brilliant! My favorite clip has been the trick baby dinner scene Mind blown You've taken me down way to many rabbit holes to count Bill Cosby colorism white supremacy and the most eye opening The Boule Keep em coming Jason Kretchman Richmond Indiana Thanks Jason That's how i feel too

1:48:20 And it is very cool how I think Mo and I, we're not trying to be sensitive about anything. We're just honest when you're honest because so much falls away, I think something like that what do you think Mo? Yeah, the producers allow us to be honest because we don't have to cater to any advertisers. So that's the power of it. We could be honest by ourselves! Of course but... That is such a good point. That's the executive power that they have so we appreciate it. That is exactly it

1:48:57 $200 and executive producer EP credit for Stephen Page Honky lips Rex Redbone sending some love. All right Love it cooking Rex Rex he's always cooking something. Oh is he yes, okay? let's see 175 75 anonymous take my money mo this show is to empower he wants me to do it the atom voice this show is too important I'm gonna drop the T's important no one can call me a deadbeat angry hair okay the People's Republic of Maryland RLTW

1:49:35 Ride like the wind? Possibly. Let me de-deadbeat just in case that's uh... That's where you're meant here, yeah. Congratulations! You are no longer a deadbeat EP credit goes to Alejandro Olochier, $100. I'm so grateful for you Moe and Adam. Gratitude is underappreciated in our civilization it grants us interest in all things It lights the room you occupy ignites your fascination and allows you to care for all things Gratitude acts as an antidote to violence and malice It is essential to the advanced spirit For if one takes gratitude seriously it leads you to the infinite mystery of existence

1:50:19 Oh man that's deep, thank you. P.S I don't know how a guitar tech slash leather smith can be of assistance to you but i offer my talents in addition to some treasure yes time talent treasure that's all we ask and it's all we need really to produce this podcast um we'll get back to you. A leather smith? Yeah. A guitar tech We can find work for you. We'll find something, we're ramping up don't worry most taking meetings he's got a calendar he's talking to people. The booking information is in the link tree and I just let people know i had several meetings last week talking to producers so this is the real thing and just to go quickly back

1:51:02 What was her name? I lost her name Lorraine. Uh, Lorraine Lorraine Converse She's a project manager. I had you on uh on no agenda social we'll be talking nice i'm utilizing every um Every option given to me Um, it's fun seeing a new empire being built lovely. I'm in my cocoon Yeah David Roll EP credit with $100. Here's a 10 spot, 10 times spot for buying one Sherman tank round in the southern hill country of Texas. Moe make sure you get to fire it. Adam be the target he will just be a flesh wound give blacks tanks and you would love that mo this ranch I went too yeah i was hearing about that getting shoot stuff that sounds very interesting flamethrowers driving tanks around I was crazy

1:51:57 It was a very fun birthday party. Maybe for uh... GBT? Maybe for your 50th, I'll let you shoot a tank how about that? Nicholas Ray EP with 100 love all the shows and the lost tapes have been fire! Sorry to hear about the job but you are destined for greater things Moe stay strong and we will continue to support you exactly fax fam Rochelle Stowe, grateful for you both. Moe and Adam love you guys keep it up thank you Rochelle for your $100 William Bullock with 100 no note but we do appreciate it

1:52:33 Then we have Daniel Miller who has two donations which total a hundred together so I'm just gonna count that as an executive producer and then I'll read these notes here. One for 75 and one for 25 keep up the good work guys you guys are breaking down huge topics and defeating talking points with proof and logic, you guys are making the world a better place thank you! And thank YOU! Second note, I've listened to almost all the episodes now and the spells you guys have broken for me have been amazing. I hope this continues for a very long time and reaches many more people." And thank you very much Daniel! And I need to thank Dreb Scott who has been doing massive work he's going back and doing chapters for all these previous episodes we're gonna get

1:53:23 The transcripts in so it's all searchable because if there's anything I know What I want and maybe there's someone out there who can help with this since all the show notes are always and we end Are in structured XML and we have all these transcripts It would be great. If there was just one place where you could go and you type in, you know that what? Oh yeah Adam and Mo were talking about this thing It would be a search engine and it would pop up. I know it would pop up clips, it would pop up the episode, it would pop up the transcript... That's a project we could really use because that's the content you've put together for us Moe and the whole podcast is worthy of that! It's really important

1:54:08 And I'm guaranteed somebody's gonna come up with it. And these transcripts are great because they have time codes so you can just click on it and boom, It goes right to that spot in the podcast and you can play it You can share it Podcasting 2.0 baby That's what I do when i get up in the morning. Favorite podcast of the game! Lanvin Nguyen, Lanvin Nguyen...I know how to pronounce this more or less I think I'm close 8888 and that's associate executive producership for episode number 72 Traditionally, Asians believe in reincarnation so a number four meaning death turns into eight for luck and good fortune. Ah yes the four eights! Congrats on setting a strong new course forward 8888 also I'd like to thank Jennifer for giving me a shout out in the last show to remind me that family means supporting each other and that we do that here at The Mofax Family. I hope this support

1:55:06 Game of Tag will continue and with that I'll give a big shout out to Miss Judy S and Chef Spivey. Karma jingles for all! Let's do that right away. You've got Moe Comrie. So this is Tiger Auntie? This is Tiger Auntie, and she called out Judy S., and our very first donator Spivey They're calling each other out man I love this! This is always fun Yes, I encourage this behavior Keep donating and calling each other out We need more jumping in Do you have any family members? And join the Lost Tapes Live That's a whole nothing component of the show

1:55:46 That if you're missing it, if you have a Wednesday night that's your free come over and join us. Cause these three right here and there's one more Andrea missing those four are every live in there just like cracking up laughing and having a good time so So Tiger Auntie gives us a PS if you donate in PayPal remember to donate with the balance to friends slash family this avoids all fees for sender and receiver. Ah yes, well we are the fam so that makes total sense. Yes thank you so much Tiger Auntie. Ogfam Arts? Yes! We know Ogfam Arts we've talked about them before 8008 thanks Adam Mamo I've made a pointer from

1:56:31 Faxinate.com? Oh, faxinate.com to MoFax! Cool! Faxinate.com Nice Bitcoin is the cure for parasitic fiat currency. Sincerely, Alexander Nuttall yes from Ogfom Arts O G F O M K arts thank you very much Alex. With the Tigo biddies! That's right John Taylor he uh associate executive producer credit for him was 72 that means also a coveted show donation credit right there in the show notes GBG WUSA yes we don't we never got to give blacks guns jingle did we?

1:57:08 Oh, yeah we did here it is That's what I got was that the one you have some that's it. Okay Onward to second show number donation John Korn first $72 Cornforth, corn forth. Cornforth. You better get it right! He even gives me a pronunciation guide. Yes. Mo and Adam thank you for continuing to open my eyes to the reality we have lived every episode is a history lesson that makes me reconsider the ideas I had and choices i made

1:57:52 I'm blessed with the supportive wife and two beautiful daughters. We have happily lived outside of the matrix our entire adult lives! I know that Mo will come out of his current situation better for his decision. Aloha from currently the freest island in the Pacific Ocean, please de-deadbeat me!" Congratulations you're no longer a dead beat. Thank you very much John it's much appreciated AEP credit Olaf Wolf 6006 thank you for all the provided information and the value. You're welcome Paul E Lovato $60 and he says happy birthday Mo much love to you both that's very nice you caught I must have been listening to the live much more watching the life so no it was your birthday mm-hmm or are you jumping up and down on Twitter probably

1:58:41 Christopher Bargeron, Double Nickels on a Dime 5510. About time I stopped being a deadbeat Moe the effort you put into these presentations and the smoothness of the conceptual buildups are amazing thank you Adam he says well you already know yeah i know i'm great at pressing these buttons Congratulations, you're no longer a deadbeat. Couple more associate executive producers for 72 Zach Welch with $55 my dude when is show on whites appropriating BC? You think I'm eating black culture? I guess

1:59:24 We talk about it almost every other show. I was gonna say, it's kind of woven into everything in life. It's kind of one the third pillars of this show. Alright so to be continued Zach Aaron Hardy 5424 thanks he says I really love the show I heard you on The Oddcast and have been listening ever since great work and God bless is that an appearance you had on The Oddcast? Yes When was this More appearances to come to thank you. You gotta be texting me when you do this out, you know I'm not on Twitter enough and you know Twitter is racist and doesn't show me your tweets all the time Oh yeah, you got the uh Feed that doesn't I don't pierce through Yeah, I'll send it to you And if for people that want me to come on their show the booking information in the link tree like oh

2:00:13 I don't want people to think i'm dooming and glooming over here now of course we need resources to keep the thing going but, of course. I'm staying busy! I'm not gonna let anybody stop me from the greatness. It's called building something you're building something that's what's going on here. I'm excited to watch it and be a part of it And my calendar is like Fool I'm staying busy. We call that a dance card mo your dance card, okay? New to me running our Empire so you do well you're doing fine So far my friend fine final associate executive producer Eric Hockel from Deutschland, I believe $52 and then no note but we know Eric and we know him as it is a great

2:00:58 producer of several other podcasts. I thank you all very much to these executive producers and associate executive producers, these credits that you get are real they're listed in the show notes if... You can use them by the way for anything for if you want to produce any other stuff or just want to put it on your resume or even people put on IMD you could get on IMDB with this credit go ahead and look at some of the MoFaxCredits I think we have a few who are also in there Who are big-time Hollywood people this real we got a few more people to But we have more I thought we didn't yeah, no it's a long list. I mean nice and long Oh like I was I'm confused. I'm sorry for ya cuz what you would happen? Yeah, yeah Collectively oh man. I was I was already thinking that was it this is great look at the support all right So yeah William Sola came in with what is it 50 53 total yes 73 50 70 350

2:02:00 Oh, it's the ICU donation. Yeah the 2020 Oh, the 2020 is the... I gotcha. Yes yes yes and he also says GBG value for value FJB love and respect Bill Sola thanks bill so that is also associate executive producer credit for you C Davis with a 50 no note Craig Scott 50 like my mom used to say don't spend it all on candy! He's known as the zigzag wanderer Edwin Torres, GBG he says $50. Maryland Plaza 50 dollars Jobs Karma for all of us that are in the same boat get the V or the boot I got quote the email a couple weeks ago i had three options to answer one are you two if so provide proof oh that's still one too not yet but will before whoa

2:02:56 January 4th at 3 no and don't intend to went with three now just waiting to see what they say it was sent the week before OSHA put a halt yeah Marilyn this first of all this is so incredibly nice that that you're supporting supporting the show in your own situation but I have to say I really do believe in jobs karma. You know, yes! That's...it's and What is it? It's the collective. Everybody wishing her well! It truly, yeah it really is and there's something about we do it on The Noah Jenner Show I've been doing it for 10 11 12 years and it's just amazing how many stories we have of people saying I want some jobs karma and then it just happens And its the collective

2:03:52 It's almost, to me almost a religious experience so here it is. Jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs! You've got Mo Common So now Marilyn you have to let us know what happens that is your responsibility to let us know if it worked I think we've only had one or two jobs karma requests on MoFax. We'll see if it works here as well. Zachary Maywood, that is...Zachary's going to be our final associate executive producer with $50 and we appreciate that Zachary And that is going to do it for thanking these EPs and AEPs, and a reminder that it'd be great if everybody can also start building towards the future in addition to these PayPal and Cash apps with some Satoshis with an app from NewPodcastApps.com. Thank you all so much for producing episode number 72

2:04:49 If you'd like to be an executive or associate executive producer, go to mofax.com Or we can directly to our donation page which is mofundme.com Thanks again for producing episode 72 of MoFax without incurring Alright, so to bring people up to speed we're talking about the Duke lacrosse case. I know people like well Moe you all over the place but it all makes sense here and it'll make sense in a minute because what I need to lay out was The relationship to do the relationship to my hometown this fragile

2:05:27 coexistence of this super-duper power structure called Duke University, Duke Hospital, Duke Power the textile mills and the tobacco company. And how all that played into know the environment of this Duke lacrosse case when it first came about so hopefully I've done that well enough So people understand and then also sitting on a pastor That worked at Duke for many years What effect that had on me and then also my love for Duke basketball. Now, the see Duke basketball is the big draw at the university I have to tell people this right off the bat it's kind of like what's a rock group with the fans is bigger than the artist itself? Grateful Dead Kinda like The Grateful Dead

2:06:18 Mean that the Cameron crazies are The bigger draw and a lot of kids go to do just to be part of this group of fans so much, so that a guy recently paid a million dollars for the last four tickets to do he paid a million dollars for four tickets to the last home game against Carolina Wow. That's not very elitist This tell you I mean and it's exclusive. It's not a big stadium is a small it's a small arena so you they have to actually Spend the night in what's called a Sheskey view after the coach to get tickets And out talk about on other side of this but just to give you context to it, this is dudes camming crazies

2:07:12 For our students and our fans, it's become like a rite of passage. Like it is something that you have to do I have nothing but respect for the fans and you know, I don't take any of them for granted because they have to rules. They have to follow them and the line monitors who monitor their lines are strict. It says a lot about those guys and that's a great tradition we have. Please get on a sidewalk in group order. We're going to make sure your wristbands before you go in. Doors are opening in 15 minutes! Our tradition has always been the most dedicated students should get the best seats

2:07:55 The Cameron Crazy is a really integral part of our culture as a campus and our culture at the university. It's something that brings our entire student body together in a way that a lot of things on campus just can't, just because it's such a common experience and everybody wants to experience it together. Really a lot of the graduates, they'll say boy I learned so much about myself being in there. I got to know my classmates or other Duke students in great fashion and then coach thanks that we had an incredible experience at Cameron. Trying to get it to Jalil does over the top up strong and punches it home on the right hander

2:08:43 We do our best to research the opponents, we research their strengths and weaknesses. Kind of embarrassing facts about them and anticipating what would get under their skin the best. Making sure that people are being loud enough, people are cheering making sure there's good coordination between the side undergraduate sections and the two graduate ends is a very important part of our job and it's something that we take very seriously And I think its something thats been going on for ages here And some of these camping that's like months, months they're camping out? Yes. Wow! This is the drawl this is what makes... besides the academic stuff but this is what makes Duke a hundred thousand dollar year school

2:09:25 Because it's a finite amount of games. It's rock star celebrity Yeah, and this is what made Duke nervous because you have a black woman getting raped by white athletes on your campus Where your biggest moneymaker is most the time led by black basketball players running up and down this court for free And then you have the whole NCAA slavery conversation. It was just, they wanted this thing to go away immediately. Yeah Yeah, I can understand and of course Nike's leak lurking in the background Got all about those guys Of course because Nike pays coach K. Yep Which he recruits the players the players play for free? Of course they get a now is that is that is that all okay and legal for the the coach to get paid by Nike Yes, that's crazy. Let me know this is the power strut like said this is

2:10:29 Gives the imagery of slavery you have a white guy Having four or five black mean usually Duke has one or two white players I'm in starters So you have about four or five black guys running up and down the floor then it's a bigger issue for the NCAA But Duke is like their crown jewel right? It's this It's the perfect, they're the perfect enemy. They have the Cameron Crazies as he said they go and look for stuff to troll the other players opponents about or your mom's whatever on drugs or you know... Whatever it is they're gonna put make signs and stuff about it And that's another reason why people hate Duke They literally when I say people hate Duke

2:11:16 I mean people hate Duke. So this plays into it and the most hated person of all, kind of like a rep icon of what Duke is all about was Christian Laettner. I hated Christian Laitner. He was a bad dude, but he could back it up with his plays It was good versus evil You didn't like him? I wanted to jump down and punch the dude in the face If people think sports is goody-goody touchy feeling that's not What if i told you haters gonna hate ESPN Films presents A 30 for 30 film I Hate Christian Laitner Sunday March 15th at 9 on ESPN

2:12:02 Okay, now you're in territory that is very very foreign to me mo. That's why they made a whole special About what was at 92? So this came out maybe less than maybe like maybe 15 16 years ago I believe the guys out of college done with basketball and people still hate him to this day because he was the ideal person to hate like he was this preppy white guy, but really good at basketball And it was like you go to do you have a silver spoon in your mouth right? But I'm Highlighting this to say. This is the energy that what's behind the trial like yes We got him we got the Duke guys You know we're gonna take them down and no their douchebags they're preppy boys We got them right and that would that was why the media latched on To hating duke

2:12:57 Because you have like this how they say highly educated and then highly winning team and coach K himself I mean he was known for cussing out refs. He came out under Bobby Knight, so he was that kind of guy Yeah, sure yeah And there could be some in cake ultra kind of things going on with coach K But I won't go there because he did come from military Oh boy Come on, come on Moe. I'm so disappointed not going there No not going because i don't have the facts there but im just saying that to have that high level of influence over...I'm not talking about just pro, I mean college players He coached the dream teams

2:13:42 Everybody would come back like oh, I'm so much better because the coach K. So there's some stuff there I mean There's some just some you know tidbits there that you could know probably run with God But we have a Jalen Rose Oh the fab father never heard of a father or not but they were like five freshmen that play at Michigan right and They were like their hip hop team in the 90s um They had like the bald heads and the black socks and everything about him just, I'm saying, just spoke to hip-hop. So Jalen Rose he hated Duke as well And he's on record here talking about how he hated Duke and Christian Laichner and Grant Hill The first year of the Fab Five with all freshmen go to NCAA championships That is crazy It never happened before Never happened again! And you guys hated Duke Yeah Despised them

2:14:40 You actually called the black players at Duke house Negroes. That was the young me speaking, yeah this was the inner city kid from Detroit that felt like I wasn't getting an opportunity based on my zip code and the financial standing of my family but you were in a fairly high opportunity situation at that time though weren't you? I mean you're going to the NCAA finals You know in a spectacular team and when and when the season ended in April or May I was right back in the hood Gotcha staying at my mother's crib that I grew up in The same environment they told the entire world gets to see me on the big stage rocking a big shorts black shoes black socks

2:15:36 People naming their kids Jalen does now in the NFL or the NBA people rocking the Hirachi's right back on the block That made you better. Of course it did So this goes this goal to show you how? The kids from Michigan the fab five the you know, the hip-hop basketball players. They hated the Duke players Yeah, I keep saying that but You can hear it ingrained in and it's not they hated them personally But it's like oh man, and this is where the hate comes from Now this is what you're seeing now That like Oh let the world burn kind of thing Like no tax to rich eat the rich This was the mentality then um

2:16:26 And it was just a fact because... Was anybody really noticing this or is this just hindsight where its so obvious when you put it all together? I mean did you feel this at that moment the way you do now. Yes, cause thats the thing about being a black duke fan You kind of get the same mentality. I mean, kinda all you're a house Negro. You like the white man's team especially in North Carolina because opposite would be the state university UNC. It's obvious it's obvious The problem with race in America is all surrounding one thing we have to ban basketball That'll never happen especially on tobacco road and I could even

2:17:11 I want to have that conversation with you. No, but it is a representation of they have it all right? It's like you can't be rich and good at basketball. I mean like geez leave Leave basketball for the poor guys right or no So that's what really is in there were good They were really good and the coach was really good And this just built their hate up For the team to the point where he got frustrated that he called now grant Hill. No, wait The Duke the Duke basketball team predominantly white players Here's the thing it would be You have like three black players and two white players. So you think will be the perfect representation? but coach K one only takes certain kind of black players Oh

2:18:06 What is that? So that's why that's where you get the house Negro thing from but his thing was you had to understand Order and had to understand Discipline discipline. I mean he came from West Point That's the thing and Nat equated to most of time his players had fathers That would be a difference You know, it's changed over time because I mean with time you have to gravitate. But in the heyday of Duke and when it was going like when it was really big and what it was really a patriarchal system of guys that were raised by men

2:18:50 So that's why you had the hate and Grant Hill being one. And just from... Well, right so people are mad about one thing but then they take they make it about something else and so they take it out by trying to destroy the...so if Duke is The Family Duke represents...Duke is the I'm trying to put this together here. Epitome of whiteness! Well the epitome of the white generational wealth structure. So if Duke by itself is a family, then destroying all families is kind of like a metaphor for destroying all of the problems that we have? Well, destroying Duke... well, a takedown on Duke would have been a takedown on the Patriarchy. Right! But at the same time I'm just saying

2:19:44 Is it because of this Duke as an example that oh well the clearly we can't have any families, any families just no families. We can have families because always turns into some power structure piece of crap and so all family destroy? Right male-led you had to get rid of male leadership in which way to do it is make them scared they are now So what kind of pussies are these Duke guys at the letting women ruin their lives ruin their family No, whether or not and that's the thing. You're gonna see them stand like this is going to be like hamburger hill they're not going to lose the hill. Okay But just give context of what you said about house negro we got to go back and listen Malcolm X and define a house negro from the field Negro Back during slavery when black people like me talked with slaves They didn't kill him they sent some old house negro along behind him

2:20:43 to undo what he said. You have to read the history of slavery to understand this. There were two kinds of Negroes, there was that old house Negro and the field Negro And the house Negro always looked out for his master When the field Negro got too much out of line he held him back in check He put them back on a plantation The house Negro could afford to do that because he lived better than the field Negro He ate better, he dressed better and he lived in a better house, right up next to his master In the attic or basement He ate the same food his master ate and wore the same clothes. And he could talk just like his master, good diction! And he loved his master more than his master loved himself that's why he didn't want his master hurt If the master got sick he'd say what's the matter boss we sick? When the masters house caught on fire

2:21:33 Classic. So this equates to black white supremacists This is what you're seeing now with Larry Elders and Kenneth Owens. Anybody that speaks well or uses logic or that kind of thing, it's like oh, you understand? You're a sellout. You are house Negro That's what the kinda thing was with the Duke basketball team We used to look at Grant Hill He came from a good household His dad was a professional football player

2:22:17 They didn't celebrate, they were very professional in the way they carry things. And that was like thorn you post a dance at the slam dunk and it's really the thing was why because I'm black? You expect me to dance after I have a good play right? It's there is the real racism It's the expectation that I'm supposed to dance or celebrate after our score, you know like that's the black thing to do You understand what i'm saying? Like it is. It was a real I identify more with duke of being hard working You know making a smart play and not the stylish play all these things baked into little mo Uh because I moved to durham when I was 10 11 years old And this is right when duke started winning

2:23:11 Right? And Grant Hill was there and I saw this guy that was like, no like just good. He was really good and me coming from a small town in North Carolina moving to Durham it's the first time I ever had to live in the city that actually had a sports team as you can see on TV but he was like No! You cant cheer for Duke Why not? That is the white team They are racist It would be Just for context, it would be me in a room with maybe 15 people watching the game and I'll probably be the only Duke fan. Wow! This is a very introspective episode because this is part of thick skin It's like...I'm looking at them like they're good The way they are playing is good and that guy is good And I identify with him People are like why you not North Carolina fans? Why aren't you from North Carolina? Like I am from Durham

2:24:09 Dukes and Durham, that's why I'm a Duke fan. Right? So right But it's being in an environment to where you know saying you would get trolled like don't lose Don't be the only dude fan there y'all losing Oh You're gonna be no You're gonna be trolling so hard but this is what kind of like I have a thick skin I know sports sound very superficial but it played apart a lot into who I am personally because I think Don't care how good you are I can outwork you. You know saying I could out hustle you I can out, you know That's what Duke was known for just hard defense and out hustling they didn't have the best players

2:24:52 But they worked as a team and coach K would say that this fist thing if you all worked as a fish You're saying like cuz it's five players in the basketball scene. You could be anybody and now that's the mentality I would definitely did was shaped on me, but when you had that kind of mentality And it's kinda like what Kanye dealt with right? It was there Oh, you're not street enough. You're not hood enough. You're not tough enough that kinda thing so all this bakes into me as a person And so to see this unfold the way it did, it's like hold on. It is the same way now? It's like honey you want me to get rid of families because families are white and that makes no sense But that's them. That's the ideology is going along with it but I don't wanna be long about it, but I was Exactly what I just said Jalen Rose is gonna verify what what I just said right you got a single doubt Grand Hill who came from

2:25:42 Rich family college-educated parents think his dad played professional sports. Yeah, Calvin Hill was a beast yeah and you were just jealous of him basically I was jealous and so it's almost like The movie face off who is it John Travolta and Nicolas Cage in that movie right or even like another one like Ricochet remember Denzel was in the movie kind of liked that where it was where it's like You see somebody you're the a or the b side however you see it and you see somebody That has all of the things that you want And you ready for this Vlad? And then you think they're soft because you grew up in a hood and you poor right This is what I learned a long time ago your haircut how you wear your pants How you speak, your appearance. That don't make you hard

2:26:45 By the way, it don't mean nothing to be tough. Anyway The best player the most talented player ever at Duke is Grant Hill the most accomplished player It's Christian Laitner Hmm so this is why I started with do because I had a dad I was more identified with Grant Hilton and Jalen Rose because I had a dad and people were like, oh well you don't know what the streets is about because you live in your saying. You live in a nice neighborhood or your dad's a teacher, your mom's social worker so you don't know to struggle and it's like how long right? What? So I'm just letting this be known that this process of which all see now this was baked in like I said 11 12 years old uh and this is why this is why the woke culture comes from sports there's no reason why they attack sports

2:27:42 Like, people might be thinking this show is trivial. And like oh why are they talking about sports and basketball and lacrosse? No no no! I'm really just being very quiet because i don't know a lot about sports but i'm learning an awful lot just listening to you Yeah because it's You have a coach which is kind of like the dad and he tells you what to do, where to be at and how to move. And if you don't play by his rules, you can get sit on the bench and he'll bring up somebody more deserving to be on the floor. Like that's what they don't want to teach young men right? It's like they won't equity not equality and I keep stressing that point. They will equal outcomes know if you don't play hard, you don't deserve to win

2:28:27 And sports is the, you know representation of that. And that's why they want to destroy sports That's why every time they try to just this whoever it is They they want to come at the sports and Duke The duke lacrosse case was perfect because it's the white rapists got sports baked in by by Association you got do basketball associated with Duke lacrosse You know lacross itself is It's like a elite within an elite. Because in high school, my team was the only team in the county that had a lacrosse team and you had to pay to play it was a club. It wasn't us. Most of our school sports is free no lacrosses are the elites so they were like yes we got them! We got some white boys from Duke and we can associate everything with Duke and do it so we could take down the patriarchy

2:29:26 Wow. And that's why I'm saying this, what we're seeing now in 2021 and it's funny that Kyle Rittenhouse only thing got a dad. Of course he has a dad but... Well still broken home still is a little bit of the goodness there But he was associated with the patriarchy. Yeah, it's like this dude don't have a dad um so I'm just going to show you like this is how binary everything is Well now it's just media programming and nothing has to be true that's the beauty of this The assumption is he's a white guy so he has a dad You know how racist that is? Because the inverse you're saying if your black then you don't have a dad Exactly And I'm just showing you

2:30:13 Think this was a coup and you can these next clips I think this came with from within the Duke campus This push to take these these lacrosse players down And we're gonna hear so in clip number. Let's start with number 26 What was remarkable is that lots of figures within the media? Within the Duke faculty and to a certain extent within the Duke administration not only presumes the players to be guilty, but then drew these very broad moral judgments. It was a completely closed-minded early approach to the case My name is Casey Johnson I'm a professor of history at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center. I wrote a blog on the Duke LaCrosse case called Durham in Wonderland and co-wrote a book on the case with Stuart Taylor called Until Proven Innocent

2:31:13 During spring break when most of the students at Duke were off campus, the captains of the lacrosse team came up with a not so bright idea. Of inviting two strippers to perform for the players One of them was this woman Crystal Mangum who we subsequently learned had very severe mental problems She arrived, she had no particular interest in performing. It appears as if she was on some sort of combination of alcohol and prescription drugs and the party relatively quickly turned ugly there was a shouting match between the other dancer and members of the team by this point most of the guys had already left Wow so this is where mental health comes into it yeah

2:32:03 This victim, and that's why I haven't talked about her very much but this alleged victim was a pawn. The powers that be saw her as... It's very clear that she wasn't a credible witness but politics kicked in It's the same thing with the Rittenhauer case. Like I said, these things... These two things are like mirror images but the other thing about Rittenhauer he didn't have institutional wealth but that's why I said when their $2 million came through for his defense fund He had a fighting chance to get out of it So ultimately For The Love Of Money is the root of all evil because everything boils down to money in this in these cases

2:32:55 Jealousy, all of it. All of it! But its a structural problem. Its a structural issue of I got screwed and Im owed And is being played into...I'm not quite sure exactly why the woke culture... It doesn't seem like it would ever be powerful enough to take down these types of institutions Are they just trying to carpet bomb with as much as possible? Yes, it's a continuous struggle. Right? It's not gonna be one hit that takes them down No But this was a big hit because if you could get just take the original story 20 lacrosse players rape blacks black Student no the store well This was also a story not strippers student but this was also an exercise in media

2:33:51 manipulation, maybe propaganda, psychological operation. Maybe even more so than anything to see how far we could push people into believing again remember I there are things that i didn't even know about the case yes but that's it wasn't that's because the established media establishment media wasn't in on it like they are now right See, the order was different then. CBS won a Peabody for their coverage of this case because they were quickly exposing the facts to be true. This is the difference now like they have completely and I think John always references on No Agenda show like they've hired so woke that the kids that we're going to school now so just 2006

2:34:46 It's 2020 now those kids are graduating 2006 or 14 years into their career. And because this is a I mean Duke is putting out uh, a lot of high-level professionals Yeah and they're going off to be woke in these companies And now when they go to the New York Times or CBS They have woe allies that will run with the story which At the time, they didn't have that kind of leverage. And you had to go to your Nancy Graces of the world. So she was trying to make a name for herself as well. I think we stopped at what? Two? Is it one or two? Which one? Yeah number 2 is up

2:35:28 And then the second dancer, a woman named Kim Roberts drove off. And in normal circumstance no one ever would have heard of this again But as Roberts drove off she found out that her fellow dancer had passed out She called the police to come and get Mangum to take her either home or to a psychological institution Mangum, when she was awakened by the police she was going to be admitted to a psychological institution and was prompted improperly by a nurse who asked her whether she had been raped. And Mangum who knew the system well said yes, she was sent to Duke Hospital and made an allegation

2:36:10 We saw a kind of mob mentality that took hold of the activist wing of the Duke faculty, which culminated in an April 2006 statement signed by 88 Duke faculty members called The Group Of 88. in which before any charges even had been filed, these 88 faculty members took out an ad a full page ad in the Duke campus newspaper. They unequivocally asserted that something had happened to Crystal Mangum She was claiming rape. The lacrosse players said nothing happened They said that they would continue their activism regardless of what the court decided or what the police said And they thanked public protesters for not waiting and making themselves heard and the highest profile Public protest that had occurred at that point I had been a march in front of the captain's house in which Protested had carried large signs urging the castration

2:37:09 of the lacrosse captains. So this was a complete abandonment of any pretense, of objectivity, of any interest in the truth. You starting to make sense now? Yeah oh yeah totally 88 faculty members signed on before even any information was known basically. And celebrated the protesters saying whether we're right or wrong, we applaud you for protesting. How does that happen? What do you mean?! It's a coup! This was a coup they were trying to take. But that's... I mean that's a lot man. That's unbelievable

2:37:56 Right, and this is why I'm saying one DA didn't decide to throw his career away. You understand for political right? Yeah, yeah. But it doesn't make sense. Yep you we understand the good old boy network trust me when you live in a town like Durham you understand you come at Duke you can get counseled council. Mm-hmm. I mean do you see the kind of power that they have um but they still those 88 still said no activists, protest. They're saying protesting out in front of the frat house. Castrate them! It's like I said this is a glimpse into where we're at now. That actually remember...I remember the castrate them thing somehow that I remember that. And that's representative of what? Castrating the patriarchy. Oh yeah. Take their manhood away from

2:38:56 So and I can say, I'm not going to play these games like you know that the stigma wasn't there. That dude was racist because as the best while played their clips for my pastor they did look like looking at not particularly these two women could there are black but These two poor women yeah that you're saying like they're objects come over here entertain us shake it up You know saying do what we tell you to do kind of thing so there was some kind of authority here that they were trying to flex and privileged to say, okay yeah we can just call in strippers. And you're our entertainment and you do what we tell you to do. Just to be fair... That is kind of the relationship between escorts slash strippers who do house calls and the customers This has a whole racial element to it

2:39:58 I'm very careful because coming from Amsterdam and I also understand that industry, we have to humanize what they're doing as well. It's not always desperation No, no. Some women choose to do it because of the lifestyle. That's the point like I mean it is a choice like... It's my body and I can monetize anyway I want to. But part of that deal is you know Do what I say take your clothes off? It's a sick game when we look at it kind of in that way but I'm just saying To me its not the best example Of objectifying a person That's like a contract to objectify

2:40:48 No, what I mean by objectify is that this is part of the college experience to come here and do these kind of things. Yeah okay, I'm sorry I forgot these are a bunch of 18 year old turds you're right I'm sorry I forgot about it was the point it wasn't have to do anything about sex I believe it was the point Entertainment, you're our entertainment. The same way they look at the basketball players that run up and down the court You're our entertainment I mean it's part of the amenities It's just so difficult for me because growing up in The Netherlands At the impressionable age going from 13 Prostitution and these types of things were considered no longer so but were considered very normal

2:41:35 parts of normal day life. So I have a very different experience in general, like this... it's hard to explain it just that I have no cultural reference to any of this. But it was a rite of passage to go to the strip club as well for young men and Durham to go over to a club called Brothers 3. Of course! Like I said its not the point about The sex aspect of it. It was just that the power that you know, if the power Structure not the sexual aspect of yes So again uniquely not Dutch so That doesn't exist like he ate like porkies, you know the movie Porky's that way There was a huge hit in in the Netherlands and everyone go like wow They're crazy in America

2:42:29 But that's what those young boys were going to college to experience. That Porky's experience, that's the collegiate or animal house? Yeah and should I tell you this is one of the main reasons why I dropped out of college because I got there I wanted to learn communications I want to be on the radio I wanted to do management stuff for the radio and all along it was Porky's! And I called my mom said I gotta leave here this is not for me So now you understand my context. Right, and you know what? That's why I switched colleges three times for the same reason Yeah right, you were never on campus right? You lived off-campus. Right so it was like i went to class not college because I found college to be very... I don't know corrupt a lot of people easily This is where the Illuminati and all this begins Uh oh

2:43:27 I think we got to calm down on explaining how it all works mo. No, this is what this is the power This is the power structure. This is the you're right doesn't matter what June grades You may issue your roommate is its work frat you're accepted to write if this is a real power structure and this Is why people on outside hate them? This is why they Emissions scandal got more attention than the Ghislaine Maxwell case. Yes, we want to see rich people burn That we don't like if you like your school If it's rich people that we don't like we won't see you burn right? That's that's the That's that's where Nancy Grace was coming from like these these rich no preppy boys Let him burn

2:44:18 It's equity. You know what I'm saying? Right, it's a matter of the same outcome. Like you know what I'm saying? It's equal outcome like enough innocent... no Enough non-white people that went to jail we need some white ones to go to jail even though if they're innocent or not Got it That's the mentality. So I think we stopped at two, let's go ahead and get in three. There were three elements that proved Mangum lied The first and by far the most important was the DNA. Mangum story was that she was sexually assaulted for 30 minutes By a group of people who did not use condoms. In such an assault, DNA would be left behind and she was immediately taken to the hospital. DNA samples were taken from all 46 white lacrosse players and there were no matches for any of them. The second were the descriptions

2:45:06 Mangum did describe the people who attacked her. Those descriptions didn't resemble in any way any of the lacrosse players and third were the inconsistencies within Mangum's story. Mangum looked at a number different photo arrays, there was only one lacrosse player that she positively identified as being at the party in every single photo array that she looked The problem is that was one lacrosse player who could prove he was never in Durham. He actually wasn't in Durham County the night of the party and that information was shared with prosecutors so the prosecutors knew before they went forward, but they had a wholly unreliable witness whose descriptions didn't match her alleged attackers and where there were no medical basis to advance or substantiate her charges

2:45:58 Okay, there you go. So no DNA the story didn't make any sense and it's for me when this Detail started coming out I'm like hold on first of all when they said 20 guys What like that didn't even make sense and but there was no physical evidence You know so when he starts things start coming out? You know we just start looking side out But on the ground things were still tense you know because it was the matter of Regardless if they're guilty or not, they were going to get away with it either way. Yeah so that's what we're attacking that was the mindset and I think that was a mindset of the group at 88 is like let's get them because if he's not now they'll do it again. They're gonna do something which is a very dang like I said this is very dangerous because when we look at cases like Brian Banks

2:46:55 At the same time, around the same time he was a high school football player that got accused by um... A classmate of Rae. Juanita Gibson another black woman He was black He did like five years in jail I mean and this narrative is baked in I mean anybody can tell you Oh! I know a guy or heard of a guy Right Uh.. You know an athlete that you know got caught in their own dorm And now he's doing 5 to 10 on a rape charge Sure So it's like, how did they get away with it? You see what I'm saying. This is where the frustration came from people that wanted to believe this story and was being duped by the media. It's like our guys never get away with this and now they're going to end you have the DA playing into the crowd the same way he wasn't in the Rittenhouse case. Hmm so all right well let's just continue a little bit. I don't want to stop the flow

2:47:56 Okay number 29 I am NOT going to allow Durham's view in the mind of the world to be a bunch of stop stop lacrosse This is this is Mike knife on speaking sides one leg. This is him speaking at the beginning clip size one like people I Am NOT going to allow Durham's view and the mind of the world To be a bunch of lacrosse players from Duke raping A black girl in Durham. Nighthong as prosecutor seemed to be functioning as if his goal in the case was to violate as many different ethical procedures as he possibly could, in one case

2:48:40 So, you know he ordered the police to run this rigged photo lineup that contained only photos of lacrosse players so anyone Mangum picked could be charged. He conspired with the former head of a DNA lab to ensure that the lab head would not fully report his DNA results which were exonerating on the players He lied in open court to a judge, for which he eventually was held in criminal contempt and was sent to county jail for one day. He issued a barrage of inflammatory public statements which violated ethical rules for prosecutors. So Nightwong's behavior was extraordinarily bad

2:49:31 Wow man, how does it's you know? You know it's not coordinated but still. It's like something that bonds and connects all these actors. What do you mean? Can you explain a little bit more to me. Well, it's kind of like the meta version of that is where the globalist world order or the new world order is not really coordinated but its so mutually beneficial that people kinda... You know, the pharmaceutical industry works nicely along with what the banks need covered up or it's nicely along with politicians who need power. Do you know what I mean? It's not like really coordinated but it all just kinda flows together

2:50:12 It's a shared goal. Shared goal, yeah there you go. It is this shared goal and the shared goal is those the liberal professors I believe got with you know the DA in some kind of way on a back channel and like I said this is speculation here as well make that clear but as he has the guy said he was breaking... He was going through all the red lights to say, you know yeah we're gonna rig the DNA. We're gonna rig the lineup. Yeah! We're going to do all of this and it's just for some clarity people were saying this was due to him having a highly contested primary that was coming up in a couple of months and he was playing to the black crowd

2:51:01 To say, oh we're gonna give some white boys. You know saying vote for me Hey was uh, was soros funding this nifong at the time? No, no I don't think he might have been but i'm sure Soros has he has hands somewhere in duke i'm sure um of it because With the grants and that kind of thing. I mean i'm sure you probably hasn't he has his own Not him, his self but that ilk. That collective of these woke professors and like I said this was the first glimpse of it for them to go against their university that cuts their checks

2:51:38 To say no, we're gonna take out full-page ads that take down these guys. And the universe is like what the hell's going on? Don't you realize like you about to open a whole can of race worms over here and we got all this free labor which is our number one source of entertainment for the campus You can't do that right and it's even a bigger picture for the NCAA Like I said, we can't forget that amateur athletics is just like almost slavery. You heard Jalen Rose say once he's done, he goes back home for the summer. Exactly! Back to the hood. So you make millions and millions and billions of dollars off from me and I can't make any of it because your rules? Whatever came with that from a couple about a year or so ago maybe a little bit longer to allow

2:52:31 college athletes to be paid. Yeah, they can't they can be paid now. It's still some great... Well it's not like they weren't getting you know cars and apartments and stuff like that but Yeah, but if they got caught the player would get in trouble. Right? What is that funny enough funny The coach could just quit and go to another job and get another job And we're not nothing in there and penalties will stay with the school and the player will give penalize me not to coach It was it was a perfect system and this is a system That people were trying to highlight which is a real I mean sir. It's a real racket There um, but at same time

2:53:16 They're doing it for dubious reasons because they know if they take down sports that takes down a lot of masculinity. They mean the same thing with the trans athletes and that kind of thing It's not the point of you trying to celebrate Trans people in their athletics is like we'll destroy this or trying to ruin sports across the board Because sports is not equitable Right, it's all about you know, it's a meritocracy. Well someone wins in sports that's not cool And at the same time this is when you start seeing sports not give trophies This was the No Trophy era Yeah Or everybody gets a trophy

2:53:57 So let's go ahead and get to the last clip, number 30. It was I think unprecedented the sort of behavior that we saw from the Duke faculty and we very you know...I can't think of another instance in modern higher education in which faculty members essentially chose to exploit their students' distress to advance a campus pedagogical agenda just to push their own ideological vision and to abandon any pretense of supporting fairness, due process the dispassionate evaluation of evidence. So there were multiple villains in this case The worst was Nighthong in terms of the degree of misconduct but if we want to look at unprecedented conduct I think the focus would be on the Duke faculty

2:54:52 The Times coverage, which was both relentless and one-sided. There were more than a hundred articles or opinion columns in the Times about the La Crosse case set the stage for national media that look these guys must be guilty because it's The New York Times which is saying it and if the Times are saying it then it must be true I don't think they want to lie detector test because they're afraid that won't pass a lie detector test. I may be the last person willing to take the heat because the victim is certainly taking a beating as is Mike Niefung and it's really unconscionably unfair This was a case that served differing agendas of different groups. For Nifong, he wanted guilt because it would help his cause in the primary. For the Duke faculty members portraying their own students as racist advanced an on-campus agenda of making more hires dealing with topics of race class and gender and requiring more courses in race class and gender

2:55:50 And for the New York Times, this was a case that fit very much the basic assumptions of a typical Times journalist. That white male athletes were out of control both sexual and racial connotations and advancing this would advance a broader ideological agenda at the time. So it was almost perfect storm of a case in which a variety of different groups could exploit the case for their own purposes. It's really, really good historical compendium of how we got to where we are today and I'm sure there's other stops along the way but man is this is this a big part of 2006 so long ago

2:56:40 This is going to show you that the apparatus was ready. Oh, no this and this is long game man. This is real long game Yeah And then that's the whole point of it Is they lay in wait for the perfect opportunity to rear their hair up? For their personal gain and at the expense let's just remember there's reason why I want to keep bringing us up At the expense of a men mentally ill black woman like they don't care who they use It doesn't it doesn't care, you know They just threw her out there. They knew her story didn't hold water then it seek to give her help they said okay we can use her For our own gain and this goes to show you with the door This is the clear-cut case of hold the door yeah Hold a door and let us come right on in and they were gonna push all their feminists in

2:57:35 different agendas on the back of this black woman, which that goes to show you. And it's a weird thing is the weird paradigm is the liberal students used her as an object. Yeah, of course, that is the crazy part and what's going on now too Right, they didn't care about JoJo. They didn't care about any of those people. They didn't care about none of these like... It's just who can we just use to chew up spit out and keep moving so maybe one day people will get hip to this well We had to look backwards to see forward like now if we just looked at this case before the rent house case then we would knew what kind was going on totally

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3:06:00 Thank you all again for supporting us here for episode number 72 I'm not crying for the Duke lacrosse players because whenever you come for the power structure Be prepared for the backlash and there was definitely a backlash. As I said before, CBS won a Peabody for 60 minutes coverage of the Duke lacrosse case and they were all on the story debunking to protect you know the Duke University and the prestige that comes along with it so just example that let's get into number 32

3:06:38 More than six months ago, Duke University and the city of Durham North Carolina were rocked by charges that Duke lacrosse players raped an exotic dancer at a team party. 60 Minutes correspondent Ed Bradley got exclusive interviews with the three players charged in the case including former co-captain Dave Evans Do you ever think that if this does go to trial that if you're convicted, you could face a lot of time in prison? Do you ever think about that? Would you? Sure. 30 years I could go to jail for something that never happens? Based on a lie. Ed Bradley's here with us this morning, good morning Ed! Good morning Hannah He spoke to all three of these young men Are they scared? They've all said they're innocent Uh...I think that they do have some fear as Dave says he is looking at thirty years in prison for something he says he didn't do uh... based on the evidence they feel they shouldn't be in this position so they feel confident that their innocence

3:07:38 You've also spoken with the other dancer who was there that night along with the accuser, a young lady named Kim Roberts. Let's take a look at that In the police statement she describes the rape in this way Three guys grabbed Nikki, that you Brett Adam and Matt grabbed me They separated us at the master bedroom door while we tried to hold on to each other Brett Adam and Mat took me into the bathroom Were you holding on to each other were you pulled apart is that true? No Did she give you any reason to believe that she had been assaulted? None whatsoever So here so this and that's where I was making a point about Kyle Renton house. Mm-hmm if he went to Duke, he'd have got the same kind of treatment

3:08:35 It's different levels of whiteness. I don't have to explain that to you, but... Yeah yeah now here did you see Kyle going to attend classes at Arizona State? No but i've seen him bouncing around all the podcast interviews Oh no they had huge protests he's not welcome at the school he's done Yes, somebody will take him in. Don't worry about it. Some universities would love to have their name associated with him but that's the thing that this is what happens when you come up against the power structure This is the power structure and I want... And the reason why I'm pointing this out is this is backed by family

3:09:20 Right, I mean the power comes from family when you don't have any family people can treat you any kind of way and it kind Of felt that way about Kyle right is that who is he? He's not linked to anybody. All right You know we could drag this kid through the mud now if it had been like I said one like he came from this kind of background that these Duke players came from The establishment media would have more respect for him and No, carried it a different way. But he was looked at as an object the same way the stripper was you know? The same way the maids are and this is the two level society that we live in there are lots of people who look that as objects And when people That don't exist in that circle that no There are somebody and I hate that word or somebody but

3:10:17 When they get a taste of it, they come out with their guns ablaze and the push back against it. And we're gonna see that with the Fannerty family just listen to how proud she is of her son Hi, I'm Katie Couric. Welcome to Eye to Eye Wednesday marked the end of a long nightmare for the families that the three former Duke lacrosse players falsely accused of rape Harry Smith spoke with the parents of Colin Finnerty about their confidence in their son's innocence and the impact of the ordeal on their family Those three boys took the microphone at that press conference And expressed themselves so eloquently

3:11:04 at the press conference talking about, I can't think of anything in my life that could have brought me closer. These kinds of things tear people apart he says it brought my family closer together He's right though we had a wonderful family before but i can say this year has brought us closer together To see the siblings stand by him the way they did his older brothers were there for him every weekend His younger sisters were just an incredible amount of support. And as a parent, as parents to see that that's like all your dreams come true I mean that's what family is about and...I'm so proud of how they got through this year. That's why they hate families because you can't cancel somebody with her family Gosh man who are they Moe? It's the uh...you would say

3:12:07 academic elite that leans more to the communist side. You know I was thinking about this, talking about power and structure you know so right now there um you know Congress is arguing about what more free shit to give away? More money which There's multiple reasons for it, but back on the table is the idea of forgiving student debt or up to $50,000 in student debt. And what's interesting is that 2006 right around this time is when student loans started to skyrocket backed by the federal government and that of course was because of legislation which basically is hey you know don't worry about it

3:12:52 we got you covered, y'all can borrow from us and we guarantee that that'll get to the universities. And will guarantee that we get it back because were in government and we've got the army and everything... You know you can't go bankrupt, you can't rid of that debt. That debt now is 1.73 trillion dollars! And thats just student loans so that money has gone into the education system since 2006 one almost two probably You know, over two trillion dollars. Holy crap balls! Which makes Duke and schools like Duke even more important Incredibly powerful Well, powerful Rich Yes And even more important because now you can get a college degree from anywhere The Duke brand holds or the Yale brand or the Harvard brand They're real degrees

3:13:53 And I made that statement before of my pastor being from Duke. It wasn't this like fly-by-night school that you can get a PhD from, right? So these are only increases their power because and this is why the admissions is so hard now to the getting city schools because You can go get a college degree for anywhere and really it's really diluted colleges or the actual stuff he learned Well, not even the prestige of it. No no I'm just saying that...I looked at a study recently that showed that people who do online courses in colleges test better and do better on test scores than people who attend in-person on campus college That's why I went to class nine! I know but I'm just saying that's what's interesting about it But when you have more degrees

3:14:49 It dilutes the meaning of it. Oh sure, of course! So now people are starting to check your brand like what kind of degree is it? Oh it's a Duke degree oh it means something yeah you know and this is why they have to protect schools like this and this is why you've seen such a vehement push back on over these lacrosse players. It's a lot at risk, this is why the NCAA is such a powerful institute because they're the gatekeepers for the entertainment of universities

3:15:27 I mean, who would want to go to Alabama if you couldn't see Bama play football or Duke play basketball? Or Michigan. Or Ohio State. These big schools. This is the entertainment draw! And again, it's so interesting because here is this difference between us in cultural background where I don't have any of that. That was not marketed to me. I was unaware of it. I don't know about the entertainment value. This is why... in the American media. But you're UT though, I mean UT's right there right? Yeah i don't care! I'm saying but you know how you which you are...I would guess that you're aware

3:16:12 how big of a deal and economic generator it is for those football games on Saturday. So you're making my point while missing it at the same time, my point is uniquely American how we are...how the American youth and growing up experience is all geared around this that is unique to America particularly with high school sports flowing into college sports, the pep rallies, the cheerleaders. Do you see cheerleaders during world soccer? No! Do you see a halftime with bands and Jay-Z performing? No but this is the vetting system... What I'm pointing out Moe is that this is a unique American thing right

3:17:03 It's fascinating to learn so much about it during this show because without you knowing, you're presuming things that I have absolutely no knowledge of. I'm aware of that and that's why I'm taking it trying to highlight the point that is not about the sports. I understand but it's the whole package! It's the marketing, its loans...it's everything And it's the access. Yes, of course! It's got access into the networks of course because if you never make it on Duke campus You're gonna be capped that's why Chris Cuomo had a job. You know? It's like this is like everybody has to Be connected somehow Right cuz then then cuz the flip side of it is I work so hard for my son to have these privileges What do you mean but at the same time they did not even have privileges right as weird right thing

3:18:02 They have a thing called legacy students. Yeah, where I mean like if your parents went to that school you kind of in my end as long as you understand reasonable grades But then they say well there's no privilege what do you mean? There's nobody you have actual thing called legacy students. Yep You know it's not and It matters. I mean these sporting events And it's not so it's not only white institutions but this is the this is be no this day infrastructure. So I guess we can move on, this is the second family to see C. C. C. Gleman's and this is part one your son's mugshot was out there he was shown walking with handcuffs

3:18:48 How do you get past that? I will never get past that. It'll be forever etched in my mind, but the one thing that helps me deal with it is when he stepped out of that police car and stood up tall and put his shoulders back and I knew it was going to be okay that day. I was home watching on TV because I had to stay home with my other boys and my husband was with Reed. And Reed had begged me, please mom they've already told us they're going to handcuff us so please I don't want you to watch and I found my younger son crying in front of the TV watching it and I was horrified but when I saw Reed step out he just stood so tall and proud and I knew that he was gonna be fine

3:19:42 Would you ring your bell on the fact that he put his shoulders back chest out? Mm-hmm. I'm like look, I'm gonna take this cake. You're saying I'm gonna face this like a man and That's what's missing Oftentimes when we're the victims and I say we, the black quote-unquote community are victims of crimes. We already apologizing in one half piece you know that's that current thing like oh we just want to get along everybody i know you killed my child but you know i just want to get along like these kids they were like geez they stuck their chest out was like nope

3:20:20 We ain't going down like that, but they're backed by family. Right? See that's the power and that's what drives the left-hand side The liberals crazy is just like this smugness about it But when you got family backing you up, you know, you feel 10 feet tall That's true. That's absolutely true Yeah And you hear it she said I was I was worried about my son song standing like a man Mm-hmm and I knew he was gonna be alright, so That's that that stuff patriarchy. That's what that's the best of all down imagery other paper Patriarchy is like you can't crack me, you know and This is very in a personal mean because you can't break me You feel something like what are you gonna do to me? They're like this whole job situation Okay, take your job when you gonna do he'll crap me

3:21:17 Because I was raised by me and like we'll see turn of my father you're saying a whole host of Like I said, I don't like talking about this stuff too much but pastors in and out my house all the time eating dinner. Mm-hmm Like I mean, I was privy to You know very influential social circle just to see it work. And it shows, and it shows... That's why when I walk into a room is confidence and it can be off-putting the people because they want you to answer or your awful confident for a black guy You know that they don't say that but they saw your are different For people who know other people out there know when you hear you're different

3:22:09 You know what that means like, you don't fit the calculation I had for you. And it's not negative is just that you don't meet their expectations and this goes back to what Jalen Rose felt about Grant Hill. I don't need a show off my skill speaks for itself these are kind of things they are embedded by the patriarchy by a patriarchal, not the patriarchy but by a patriarchal society that teaches you and nothing can break. Nothing can break you and I found that clip to be amazing she said when I saw my son even though he was in handcuffs you stand tall and we're the victims of things and we always apologizing it's now oh we just want to get along with forgive if we forget no stop forgiving and forgetting get blood and what i mean about blood is

3:23:03 I want you to listen to what they said they wanted out of this whole situation for how their sons were treated. Today's press conference by the Attorney General was a dramatic, really stunning repudiation of Michael Nyfong, the prosecutor If you had a chance to say something to Mr Nyfong today What would it be? What he did and the fraud which he perpetuated for nearly a year, was it all that important to be the district attorney of Durham North Carolina? To throw three kids to the wolves. Ruin their lives ruin their families' lives all for what? For what I'll never understand. Never understand. What would you like him to say to you

3:23:56 He's sorry. Not that that will ever help how I feel, but...I would like to know this can never happen again to anyone It is a horrifying thing when you see your child When you know that your son can be put in jail for something he didn't do, and it is out of your control. And you can't protect him from someone that you know is lying and fabricating stories about him... I want this man to say

3:24:41 that he will never ever allow something like this to happen again. And I mean, I would like him to say I resign is what I'd like him to say. Would you like him to be disbarred? Yes. Would you like criminal charges filed? Yes. See how it's different now all the cops shoes we heard their families that were victims is I'm sorry We just want to forgive. I forgave them the day they shot my son. I forgave them No, no. It's a little different when you mess with real citizens This is how citizens carry it out now I want his job. I want him disbarred and I want him in jail I wanted to apologize they had a list of demands They weren't just happy for their son to be free We got to stop moving and then why say we I mean talking about everybody Now this this is how we get into position that we are now where people tell us what to do

3:25:41 No, we gotta start saying what we want up front. Everybody and especially men Right because you heard what she said and then guess what? She got what she wanted I was gonna say that this type of thinking, my experience is get you what you want. You know the grass grows where your water it if you focus on something that you know way where you focus is what's going to happen? It's just always that way And that's what people had to start realizing like you cowtowing and bending down. That gets you more of that? It get you more boot, that's what it gives you! It gets you more boot! Beautiful

3:26:30 The prosecutor in the failed Duke Lacrosse rape case has been disbarred over his handling of the matter. Mike Nifong sat stoically as a three-member panel from the North Carolina State Bar lectured him on what they called his selfish prosecution, of three lacrosse players who were falsely accused of raping a stripper We can draw no other conclusion but that those initial statements that he made or to further his political ambitions. At the time when the case broke, Naifong was in a tight race for re-election He won that contest but the rape case was falling apart he later let the state attorney general handle the matter and he dismissed all charges saying the players were innocent

3:27:13 The players were all in the courtroom for the hearing and had a subdued celebration at the end. Lawyers representing the players applauded the decision to strip Nifong's law license, and say anyone paying attention to the case knew Nifong never had a chance of convicting the players. was simply a hoax. Friday, Nighfong told the panel he was planning on resigning his position and on Saturday his lawyer said Nightfong himself thought he should be disbarred and added that he won't appeal the ruling however lawyers representing the players say they see little honor in those moves My initial feeling was that I've been at executions and it was kind of like the day before you're executed if you cut up the sheet and hang yourself so you're in control of your own destiny. Lawyers for The Players say they are considering seeking criminal contempt charges against Nighthong, and even suggested asking for a federal civil rights investigation into his actions. Gosh man!

3:28:13 I mean, you've got a guy running for re-election. I've been searching for some kind of Soros connection and just reeks of Soros in an DA electoral campaign. It's crazy the parallel. Right! And he... You heard what they said even though he resigned no we want your job We want Silver and it was all gas no brakes It wasn't enough and they even drug him out and made him apologize to the boys as well. He had to, you know what I'm saying? Now don't get me wrong he only did like a day in jail for all the stuff that he did. Well of course! Literally one day it literally was one day i think How does that work how do you rig a case up against... something's fishy about this case

3:29:14 to the fact that you only do a day in jail. Knife on has some friends higher up to pull that one off because even he they couldn't get him thrown in jail But you see what they did, they made her, they drug him out and made him apologize. You want to listen to that apology right quick? Yeah do you have it oh yeah here we got it. The last 16 months have proven to be a difficult and painful journey for my family and for myself I know this has also been a difficult and painful journey for Reed Seligman Colin Fennedy and David Evans For their families, for Durham And the state of North Carolina We all need to heal

3:29:54 I believe, however that this healing process cannot truly begin until all proceedings involving this matter are concluded and everyone is able to go forward. I have resigned my position as Durham's District Attorney as a part of this process." I have read the report released by the Attorney General including his recitation of evidence that i did not have, evidence he obtained from his own investigation I agree with the Attorney General's statement that there is no credible evidence that Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnerty or Mr. Evans committed any of the crimes for which they were indicted or any other crimes against Ms Mangum during the party that occurred on March 13th and 14th 2006 at 610 North Buchanan Boulevard in Durham

3:30:39 Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnerty and Mr. Evans were entitled to the presumption of innocence when they were under indictment. Surely they are entitled to more than that now as they go forward with the rest of their lives and that is what the Attorney General tried to give them in his declaration that they are innocent." I have admitted on more than one occasion that i have made mistakes in the prosecution of these cases. For that, I sincerely apologize to Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnerty, Mr Evans and their families It is my hope that all of us can learn from the mistakes of this case That all of us can begin to move forward it's my hope we start this process today Thank you y'all Yes! We want to move forward

3:31:23 Kiss the rain. That's right kiss the rain. So it was conspired with a DNA lab technician to not disclose all of the information and set up rigged up, we call it lineups Oh, yeah. And didn't you deal with day in jail? So this is what we start talking about white privilege Yeah This is what we're talking about now How is it that you can do all of that and only spend a day in jail That doesn't make any sense to me No but I mean who We know the system is not right Right It wasn't right Like I said

3:32:17 Every this goes to show you that even still they wouldn't do him all the way dirty like they could. But they made him go out there and apologize to the young man that was involved, we don't see that in most cases when someone's wrong I still ain't seen an apology yet to Kyle Good luck with that. No, but see that going to show you is different levels Yeah, it's different level You know when you mess with somebody the wrong kids you have this to put you know yeah? You gotta go out there you got it you got a kneel and apologize and do all kinds of stuff well. Yeah rightly so

3:32:55 So these last three clips, you know what I'm saying? You can play them at will. But this wraps up what happened to the accuser and this is a true tragedy She ended up writing a book and she still in her mind thinks that she's a victim The woman who accused three Duke lacrosse players of rape is still insisting she was attacked. She makes the claim in a new memoir. Crystal Magnum appeared publicly Thursday for the first time since making the allegations more than two years ago No one deserves to be sexually assaulted regardless of their profession or regardless of what they have done I'm a real person, i have feelings

3:33:39 I'm not just an exotic dancer. I'm not just someone who tried to frame someone who was innocent of sexual assault, my only intentions were for justice and I wanted justice for myself. She says in her book that she's not looking forward to opening old wounds but that she had to defend herself prosecutors determined that her accusations against the three players were false and her renewed allegations are triggering a threat of a lawsuit from the family have one other exonerated players The book is available online Magnum wouldn't answer questions about details on the case at the news conference

3:34:20 John Belmont, The Associated Press. When did this book come out? This came out I think in... 2009 I want to say? Okay It was years after the case so i think some book company probably thought oh this would be a seller for people that still want to believe that something nefarious went on at night uh so they I don't think they looked at her best interest in heart or had our best interests of heart. Well, here's a couple thousand dollars advance and you'll never hear from us again that's how those book deals work

3:34:57 Yep, and then we have more in the book deal if you want to listen to 30. Sure sure The last time the public saw crystal mangum she quietly fingered three Duke lacrosse players in this videotape photo lineup two years later She walks back into the spotlight to promote her new book the Duke Lacrosse case will never define who I am I'm a proud mother of three wonderful children. I graduated from college with honors The Last Dance for Grace is a story about my life. The Last Dance for Grace, according to Mangum is her story A woman with a troubled past whom by her own account was raped three times twice as a teenager and then again as an exotic dancer in March 2006

3:35:47 Yes I am. I am still claiming that a sexual assault happened But Mangum stopped short of commenting on former DA Mike Nifong, the prosecutor accused with holding DNA evidence in the case that was later dismissed by the state attorney general Do you believe that Reed Seligman, Colin Kennedy and David Evans were innocent? Um...I have no comments about details of the case However, I do talk a little bit about it in the last dance for grace. But I have no comment. Mangum's caution according to her team of advisors is partly because of the threat of potential lawsuits Her side of the story they say has been kept from the public They claim at least two networks have failed to air interviews with Mangum This photo of CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien and Mangum was provided to Eyewitness News

3:36:42 Oh man. So everybody uses pro woman up? Well, do you know how it ends with her? I do! You want to share it with people number 40. Okay because I was just looking at the wiki page and like oh my goodness Well, the woman who was at the center of the false rape allegations that were brought against three Duke University athletes may now be facing a murder charge. Earlier this month, police arrested Crystal Magnum for stabbing her boyfriend in the kitchen with a knife Now we've learned that that victim has died in that case. Prosecutors say they will likely charge Magnum with murder Back in 2006, as you may remember this story went on for months and months She accused three Duke lacrosse players of raping her at an off-campus party Those charges were later shown to be false And the charges against those three men were dropped And here's the kicker

3:37:43 She argued in that particular charge, second-degree murder after she stabbed her boyfriend and he died. She argued she acted in self defense fearing that he would kill her. She got sentenced 14 to 18 years. True tragedy! Yeah and you think...you know did she really have the defense? That money could have bought her for a self defense? Defense Right. I know it's exactly their point, I got it that's why I thought was a cool kicker And this goes to show you what the black doctor were saying earlier about mental health Nobody sought to get this woman the help that she needed and she ended up just being harm to someone else and taking someone else life They just saw her as object for political game or political football um...and then they dumped her to the side

3:38:41 and she ended up taking another person's life. So how do you wrap this up Moe? What is our takeaway, what are we going to do I don't know if i can sleep right now Well what we have to do is pay attention to these previous cases like this because of we looked at this a month ago We probably could've saw what was gonna happen in other cases And there's another case out there lingering about a race hoax that we need to pay attention to because there's DAs involved, mostly Searles. Monsieur Smollet? Yes! This yeah oh it's good it is so deep if anything really comes to the surface its gonna be dynamite but I'm just waiting and this way in a we will talk about that case and I gotta give people quick history till we talk about MoFax this was more of historical

3:39:40 episode about Mo Facts. If there was no Jussie Smollett, there might not be a Mo Facts. Now I'll tell people later how that connects when i do the Jussie Smollett case but I'll leave it as a cliffhanger for people uh but yes well Mo happy birthday man! I'm glad you did this show It was personal and sounded personal educated me much more than you probably could have expected just a lot of things um yeah as I already explained and is a very good backgrounder, and now has me laser focused on the educational system being kind of ground zero of all this stuff.

3:40:24 That's the takeaway right there. Ground zero, man! We thought it was the press but we see now from this case the press takes their signals from academia and the alumni and often they are the alumnus Yes Unbelievable Alright I'm energized now Where would we go? We have some people to keep an eye on, but as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And make sure that you check out The Lost Tapes which will be next Wednesday and we'll back the Wednesday after that with another episode of Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Mo have yourself a great week and happy birthday again brother!

3:41:14 I think Adam have a good one and if you'd like to support the show mo facts calm go directly to our Donation page at Mo fund me comm mo e f u n d m e.com And thank you so much for supporting the show talk to soon everybody bye-bye As a traitor Don't need no baggage, you just get on board All you need is faith to hear the diesels humming

3:42:10 You just ain't loved one more