61: Mark My Words

00:01 so Mo Facts with Adam Curry for April 3rd, 2021. This is episode number 61. And it's good to be back. We are not just back, we're back in a big way. We've got new technology. We got Satoshi's flowing. We got the value for value cranked up. It's gonna be another good one. And I'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas. Let me introduce you to my friend on the other end, Mr. Mo Facts.

00:51 How you doing Adam? I'm great Moe, how are you? Man, I'm so excited to do this show. We've tried to do it once but we were stopped. Yeah, we were. But we were delayed, let's say that. We were delayed. But we're here now and we're all set to supply the producers with hopefully another enjoyable episode. Yeah, we actually did try to do the show within our time frame on Tuesday. Had some technical hurdles, which I guess kind of been building. It was a slow fade on one of the devices we use and so that had to be replaced. But also really excited that we now have

01:30 especially since tomorrow, four apps, four podcast apps that you can use to listen to MoFax with Adam Curry and you can be streaming us value for value in real time, in real time. Like you said, the Toshis are flowing. And there's also a tribe, which I don't know if we're ready to do anything with that yet, Mo, but we've got just a lot of stuff happening. So I recommend you go to podfriend.com. That's the newest and probably the easiest to try out of all the podcast apps. And the cool thing about it is when you hear something you like, there's a boost button. You can boom, boost us to thousands of Toshis.

02:10 And in future shows, you'll be able to attach your name to that. We'll be able to see when it was in the timeline of the show, when people hit boost so we know what you like. So it's a real cool feedback mechanism. It kind of makes value into free speech in some ways. crazy ass way. So it's just, yeah, it's been a great week for podcasting and I'm so excited because this show is really the first one, I think, that I can put my whole, except for the podcast in 2.0, which is very small and narrow for the developers, et cetera. But this to me is where I wanna drive this shit so hard. I wanna show people that you can create something completely independent, which also means eventually independent of PayPal,

02:58 to really transfer value for value in real time. And I'm very excited about the future of this podcast. Well, hopefully episode 61 will be a boostable episode. Yes! I have the fullest... I got it here, I got it here, Bo. It's B for B. Oh yeah. Boost for blacks, baby. That's what you gotta do. So here... I have the biggest bag I've had in show history. It is, I said the bag is just bursting at the seams. I don't think we've had that many. I broke the rule. I broke the 50 clip rule. You did, man. But it's necessary. I'm sorry. And we broke another rule. So before you spin that wheel, I need you to wind it backwards since we spun it last time and we did that before and it threw the whole universe off.

03:50 So wind it back and let's spin that wheel and see where it lands. All right, here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, let's hit that wheel of topics. Round and round it goes. Where it stops, nobody knows. Only Mo Facts knows. We're going to be talking about the following on Mo Facts, episode number 61. And the topic for today is... If Tyler Perry gets it, it'll send a strong message. Oh, I've been waiting for this episode. I'm excited about this. I know I've been studying vaccines and the new vaccine industry for a decade. So I can't wait to meld our common consciousness together and also to learn a lot from each other about how different cultures feel about these things.

04:33 Yes, so this is another great example where our two worlds meet at one point, but there's so much. understanding to be had. From one side, I know you've been on top of this whole vaccine thing, like I said, for 10 plus years and then you went all in with the Rona. So, but I've been paying attention to the propaganda that's being used and Mr. Perry has volunteered himself once again as we explored in episode 60 as a key component in pushing propaganda. So it's gonna be a,

05:09 a deep dive into him as an asset and also to the acceptance or the lack of acceptance of vaccine. And not only the so-called black community, but also the believer community. So I guess we can go ahead and dive right into clip number two. Media mogul Tyler Perry, I like saying media mogul, I'm going to say it again. Media mogul Tyler Perry, that's what he is, is raising awareness about the coronavirus vaccine in a new special for BET, which is owned by the way by ViacomCBS. This is video of the filmmaker getting the first dose. Grady Health System in Atlanta approached Tyler Perry to get the shot to help get the word out. Black Americans, if you've heard, are disproportionately affected by the virus and

05:56 One in three, think about that, are hesitant about getting this vaccine. Perry's new special aims to provide the facts about it and in this clip, he talks with Grady Health System Dr. Kimberly Manning. I'm hearing people say they either don't want it or that they're going to wait to get it. If you want to wait to be able to come into community, to go to your family reunion, to be able to do the things that get us back to living, I think those are things to consider. And I've been saying to my loved ones, this about us. This is about us. The folks that are really taking the hardest hit are the people that are in your contacts and your cell phone if you look like us. Wow, come back into the community. You're shunned until further notice. Gee.

06:38 Well, we saw Biden tip his hat to this with the 4th of July, right? Things get the jab and we can have hot dogs and fireworks. Of course, with your mask on still. But you can have the hot dogs and the fireworks on 4th of July if you will only take the jab. So I want to lay a couple of things out about this clip, how I took the clip, and some of the things that I heard troubling in this clip. First of all, you heard Gail say that it's a one in three acceptance, not accepting the vaccine or that are hyped about taking the vaccine in the so-called black community. But I would say to say it's 50-50, even go as high as two out of three are not psyched about taking this jab. Did she at any point mention her source for that? Because whenever someone just yells that out, you always got to be suspicious.

07:35 Of course not, because you're talking to black people. And I don't say that from my point, but their audience, if they're talking to a certain audience, it's like, yeah, we need a... Facts to support our facts or at least references to where it's coming from but no they just throw these things out to Touchstone coming into community, which is gonna be a overarching theme and we'll point it out throughout the show But I want to notice one thing is the music they used did you catch that music that they run run DMC? Yeah run DMC walk this way of course walk this way stroll into the pole and

08:16 Walk this way like do what we tell you to do you will? He will obey. Yeah, so we got Tyler the Piper Perry. Um, you know, that's It's interesting you say that because now this that song triggers for me Aerosmith run DMC kind of seminal moment I was at the right age. I was in media it was before I was MTV actually and I And the minute I heard the track, I was thinking, huh, how did, would Tyler Perry have anything to do with that? Do I not know something? And it didn't even hit me how subliminal and kind of evil that was. Well, they're pulling out all the stops. They are. And speaking of evil, they mentioned Grady.

09:04 So this guy, the Grady Hospital is named after Henry Grady. And Grady has a very sketchy past. So we got to start looking at who he was, his influence on maybe the decision that the hospital still make. I mean, and why he's above the council. Welcome to Uplate everyone. I'm Ron Jones. And I'm Aisha Howard. All new on Uplate tonight, it's an iconic name all across Georgia, but tonight several Georgia State students say this century-old monument of Henry Grady needs to come down. In an editorial that has now gone viral, students say Grady is a racist and should not be celebrated. Ryan Krueger explains how a new state law means that's not likely to happen.

09:53 At a busy intersection downtown, a southern gentleman keeps watch. You ever heard of Henry Grady? No. His monument describes him as a journalist, orator and patriot. But some students at Georgia State have different words to describe him. He was a racist. There is no denying that. Anyone who's denying that is lying to themselves. Hamza Rahman is the Student Government Association Vice President at Georgia State. It tells me that I don't belong here sometimes. This is my home and I should be able to look at it without seeing a man who would have hated my presence here everywhere. As the former managing editor of the Atlanta Constitution, Grady wrote headlines described as racist, called the white race superior, and supported white supremacist politicians. Whoa, okay, new name on the scene.

10:40 Henry, Hank, Hank Grady. Right, but the... it's not coming down. The hospital's not changing his name. He is a... And to be clear, this is... I can't even see. Is this a white guy? It's hard to see on Wikipedia. Who, uh, Grady? Grady, yeah. Oh, of course! I mean, he was... I just wanted to make sure my lying eyes weren't deceiving me. I'm like, that's a white guy, right? This is when the time where white supremacists were only white. Now we're fast forwarding to 2021 where white supremacists can be any color according to the new

11:20 definition, but I also like to point out that in the times where Georgia is ground zero for Jim Crow steroids or what they call it, Jim Eagle. The Henry Grady Hospital still stands, the statues still stand, and what kind of juice does this Grady character have then that he gets to stay? He has all the juice and I'm glad you all alley, all up that alley on home by saying even in this commercial, I said commercial, but even in this clip, the person that has speaking out was a very light brown man. He could have been Indian or either Arab. I couldn't tell him just by the name and the appearance, but Atlanta, Georgia being one of the blackest, if not the blackest city in America,

12:14 And ground zero for HBCUs, you couldn't get someone from Spellman or Georgetown, I mean, excuse me, Spellman or Morehouse to speak out against this gritty character? You had to go to the vice president of Georgia State? Yeah, you'd think, right? That tells me how much juice this Grady character or of course not him because he's passed on but his family or his lineage still has in the state of Georgia. They even passed a law where you heard them say they passed a law where they can't even legally take his statue down. Wow, that's that you're right. That is the juice.

12:50 So, so we had to look at this when we start to hear Tyler Perry raise that, oh, this is the Grady Hospital. And just for a fun fact, some of my people that I know from Atlanta refer to Grady Hospital as Shady Grady. It's kind of like, it's- I love that. It's known, it's like known where, where the health, let's see how I can say it, the healthcare provided has been subpar in the past. So all of a sudden it's up in the model of perfection for the vaccine. So I just want to lay that out. That's just a little background that we have to lay out there. So I guess we can go in and get into Black Community 4.

13:44 Tyler, it's Anthony Mason. Kaiser Health has done a study in the early days of the vaccine rollout and I mean it bearing out what we've been talking about the fact that there's a distrust here. Black Americans are being vaccinated at a dramatically lower rate which is really alarming. So what do you think needs to be done here to build confidence? Exactly what we're doing, the special that I'm doing for BET and asking, having an opportunity to ask experts questions. The first Ebola patient in America was at Emory Hospital, so I got the top experts here in town. Dr. Del Rio is an epidemiologist who is brilliant and to be able to ask those questions, not only for myself, but share them with the community, you know, I've got people

12:50 So, so we had to look at this when we start to hear Tyler Perry raise that, oh, this is the Grady Hospital. And just for a fun fact, some of my people that I know from Atlanta refer to Grady Hospital as Shady Grady. It's kind of like, it's- I love that. It's known, it's like known where, where the health, let's see how I can say it, the healthcare provided has been subpar in the past. So all of a sudden it's up in the model of perfection for the vaccine. So I just want to lay that out. That's just a little background that we have to lay out there. So I guess we can go in and get into Black Community 4.

13:44 Tyler, it's Anthony Mason. Kaiser Health has done a study in the early days of the vaccine rollout and I mean it bearing out what we've been talking about the fact that there's a distrust here. Black Americans are being vaccinated at a dramatically lower rate which is really alarming. So what do you think needs to be done here to build confidence? Exactly what we're doing, the special that I'm doing for BET and asking, having an opportunity to ask experts questions. The first Ebola patient in America was at Emory Hospital, so I got the top experts here in town. Dr. Del Rio is an epidemiologist who is brilliant and to be able to ask those questions, not only for myself, but share them with the community, you know, I've got people

14:28 who love what I do and kind of follow me so I think once they get the information that it'll help them and what I told them is that I'm not taking this vaccine because I want you to take it. I want to give you the information so you can make your own choices. So I think that's what it's about education and information. Oh here's my comment just as a human being whenever someone says people kind of follow me and kind of like what I do It's like, bro. Well, he was asked, and this is a case, a slight case of the truth wants to come out. Because he's asked, he said, what needs to be done to build confidence? Not what needs to be done to educate people, you know, that this is safe or, you know. And he says what you said, and then he say, what needs to be done? You need to hire me because I speak black. You know, I speak to the...

15:20 And it's really the target audience that they're trying to get to because the wokes, they're all in on the vaccine. One, because they're the younger crowd and they want to get back into community. And they trust science. The people they're trying to reach now are the older blacks and the believers. How does that work? How can you trust science if science is also racist? Because that's part of the woke mantra, isn't it? How can you use math to support your one in three when math is racist? Thank you. Okay. Tina and I play this game all the time, by the way. We throw that, like, oh, yeah, okay, you got me. Yes, of course. It's a whataboutism. It's fun to do.

16:03 Well, it's not what about ism is it shows the hypocrisy. She says exactly says that they say that I don't have a clip but I'm gonna get it that this lady says oh no two plus two can't equal five right and math is right there. They've gone even further than we've heard before about math is racist to say two plus two can't equal five and if it can't then it's racist because it has to have one answer. So this is how far they've stretched this thing out. But this is why Tyler Perry, I think, was brought in because he speaks to the quote-unquote, and I want to be careful how to use his term, but it's the everyday black person and the believer. And it's like, okay, because he's tailored his entertainment and especially women, he's tailored his entertainment to that crowd. And some people even call it lowbrow. I wouldn't call it that because I think there's a

16:55 I think it does have some problematic things to it, but I just don't want to take away the hard work that he's done. But when I see a person being co-opted to push something that I even don't believe in, and let me say something right now. This is why this show is important to me, this particular episode. I'm not taking the vaccine. I am not taking a vaccine at all. Now, luckily, I'm able to work from home, where, you know, I don't have to go out into community. No community for you? And I can stay on the side. I could easily stay on the side and be quiet and say, you know, I'm not taking it, but I'm not going to say nothing either. You know, that kind of thing. But no, I'm letting it be known. I'm not taking it, even if it comes down to me

17:44 put my job on the line, I'm not taking it. Me and my wife have had this conversation. If it comes down to that, that's why I'm standing on it. And that's kind of why I'm doing this episode to let people know that not only do I not believe in it, I'm willing to stand up and say, I don't believe in it. Because it's one of two things. I think when they do this When they do this vaccine survey, it had the same effect as when you say voting for Trump. Now, when they did the polls, then you ask a person, they can say anything. No, I'm not voting. I'm voting for the other guy. But then when they go behind that, into that ballot box or behind that curtain, they can vote how they want to. I think it's the same thing. It has the same effect, this vaccine thing. I think a lot of people say, yeah, I'll take it.

18:34 But they really won't. And I want to make it clear that I'm making a stance now that I'm not going to take it. I don't support it. You're free to do what you want to do. That's the beautiful thing about America. But when people are starting to force me and use a manipulative tactics like we're going to hear in this next clip, That irks me and I have to take a stand. So I'm not going to hide in the shadows and be one of those people that's not really for it, but not say anything. Well, I'm with you. And I've had vaccinations. My most recent ones were 2003. I went to Iraq and the military shot me up with stuff. So maybe not the smartest of things to do. But at the time it felt appropriate for the risk was good enough for the mission I was doing.

19:24 What I would like to, I don't believe this is a vaccine by the way, it's not acting like a vaccine, it seems more like a medical device and there's a whole, I have too many questions. Too many questions. Other small detail. Yeah, small detail. But when you say the community, I'd like to just touch on that for a second. So what I'm hearing around me, now and our friends, we have a very varied bunch of friends. Some are It's mixed, conservative, liberal, not really extreme one way or the other. We have friends on the right of center who both have taken the vaccine, even though that actually they're very right.

20:05 And they but they took it for their for their own reasons now amongst friends I don't think there's any problem. We have a very left-wing School teacher who's a friend and sometimes she'll slip and say something really weird And we'll just call her out on and say dude dick thing to say and say you're right. I'm sorry. What am I thinking? and But there is some element of shaming and you know like you're a Vax free rider because I'm getting it and I'm standing up and you're basically putting people at risk still. Is there within the community

20:42 Is there a shaming element that you're seeing? Of course. Is it big? Do you think it's big? Or is it bigger than what you think I'm seeing? It's not as big because the overall skepticism of the medical industry is prevalent. It's prevalent. Baked in. So it's like, but it's... Well, what are you gonna do? It's kind of apathy. I wouldn't say it's just what are you going to do when we want to get back to normal? We've been locked in for a year and plus. Don't you want to see grandma? Don't you want to have cookouts? The summer's coming again.

21:20 That's missing that that not we're gonna touch on that and it kind of leaves us right into our next clip that actually a producer sent to us and we played it in the donation segment, but I wanted to bring it back and Show how the manipulation they're using and this is baby announcement one a bun in the toaster oven I I can't for the life of me remember what was going on here.

22:16 I'll say, I didn't set it up. I wanted the people to feel the raw emotions of that clip. And what it is, is this a video clip of basically of a daughter, I believe. It seems like a daughter letting her mother know that she's pregnant and she wanted to let her know. And they're basically saying, don't you want to have this feeling again? I think the tagline was, Some people you have to meet in person right and then and then it fades to the scene I have the screenshot here. It says science can make this possible Only you can make it real and this is from the science possible calm that's putting these clips together I mean these are ass together and they even have one that's targeted towards the Minority when I say minority, that's the non black crowd. It could because this person maybe looks Arab or either

23:13 Hispanic and then I'll just read off what it says. It says answer because hellos gotten too rare and goodbyes have gotten too hard and it says question. Why would you get the vaccine? And it has a father standing on it. Looks like a glass screen door on one side and the kid on the other side. It's very sick. I'm sorry I didn't send you this image, but I just let people know they have a brand of targeting every community. But that hit me. That ad, and I saw it, and then when the producer sent it in, it's just like we gotta let people know

23:53 I have the tagline here says science can make this possible only you can make it happen. So that's their theme like we have the vaccine, but you have to take it for it to work and that's that's what we got the miracle potion over here, right? And if you listen to that just her. The joy in her voice and it's no, like I said, when you hear it, you don't really know what's going on. But just the raw emotion of it is what they're using. And I find this very disgusting. And it's working on the white people I know. I have, Tina was telling me yesterday, I forget who that was now. And they called her. We got the vaccine, we got the vaccine, we got the vaccine, we're so happy.

24:41 Like really ecstatic, like I mean right out of a television, like right out of some you know outbreak type movie. Oh my god we're not going to die, we have the vaccine. So the mind control is very strong over here on the white side of the fence, Mo. It's very, very strong. And I wouldn't even say white exclusively because I work with a variety of different people and some of them have had it and that second shot has kicked their ass. I can say that, but I'll also say that people I've heard the terms that I've heard this literally now I feel invincible. Yes, invincible. I've heard that too. Yeah, invincible. That's crazy.

25:23 That's some heavy duty propaganda that they're pushing here. And I heard it from a money manager. Not that I have any money to manage, but he's a friend. Now I feel invincible. Wow. I've heard that after going through the, you know, the kick butt stage of it on the other side of it. And I don't think it means they feel like a superpower, but they feel like they can actually do something moving, not have to consciously think about, you know, am I touching my face or, you know, all the things that we've been triggered by. Am I touching my face? Am I touching my eyes? But your mask is still on and nothing's really changed. I stay six feet. So,

26:10 I just find it, I don't like the smell of it. And so I had this clip, they're not only using television ads like this, they're also using social media and TikTok to be more specific. In this playful TikTok video, Dr. Nicole Baldwin showed the benefits of vaccines and said they do not cause autism. That prompted a barrage of hateful responses. Scientific evidence shows there is no link between vaccines and autism, by the way. Despite that, a recent poll found that 46% of Americans are still unsure about this debunked connection. Only on CBS This Morning, our Dr. John LaPook spoke to Dr. Baldwin about her post and the fallout.

25:23 That's some heavy duty propaganda that they're pushing here. And I heard it from a money manager. Not that I have any money to manage, but he's a friend. Now I feel invincible. Wow. I've heard that after going through the, you know, the kick butt stage of it on the other side of it. And I don't think it means they feel like a superpower, but they feel like they can actually do something moving, not have to consciously think about, you know, am I touching my face or, you know, all the things that we've been triggered by. Am I touching my face? Am I touching my eyes? But your mask is still on and nothing's really changed. I stay six feet. So,

26:10 I just find it, I don't like the smell of it. And so I had this clip, they're not only using television ads like this, they're also using social media and TikTok to be more specific. In this playful TikTok video, Dr. Nicole Baldwin showed the benefits of vaccines and said they do not cause autism. That prompted a barrage of hateful responses. Scientific evidence shows there is no link between vaccines and autism, by the way. Despite that, a recent poll found that 46% of Americans are still unsure about this debunked connection. Only on CBS This Morning, our Dr. John LaPook spoke to Dr. Baldwin about her post and the fallout.

26:55 We know that vaccines don't cause autism and it's important for that message to get out there. Dr. Nicole Baldwin says she was concerned about the impact of misleading anti-vaccine posts on social media. So she created this. Baldwin's TikTok now has more than 1.4 million views. Okay, a couple things. One, well established that the United Nations and the World Health Organization have put together an outfit called Team Halo, which the UN runs, and they are doctors who are paid to do stuff on TikTok, mainly pro-vaccine. No, I think only pro-vaccine. The second thing, when I once did a documentary

27:45 I can't remember where this was. It might have been Australia. And I remember there was like a motel off to the side of the road and that's where we were staying. And I distinctly remember the sign saying, great beds, absolutely no train noise. And I'm looking around, I said, what is that about? And of course they had train noise, because that's why they said it, because the tracks were right nearby. So when someone says, this vaccine is great, no autism here, it's like, hello, this is so obvious. And this is exactly why Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is all over this stuff, because it was the women with these children, and in particular Mercury, in the earlier vaccines, there's still many, I think, that caught his attention.

28:29 And more specifically, black boys. Black boys have been hit hard with this autism situation. This I did not know. Yes. And is there any medical research done why particular black boys have, why it affects them more? I don't have the details on that. But that's got to be genetic. That's got to be something. Or it could be the loading. And like I said, I'm not anti-vax. I want to be clear, I'm not anti-vax. But if you're talking about, I mean, if you say, oh, if black people fall into the lower income and a lot of those get free health care. That was going to be my question. Right. So they probably stacking them. Get them all at once.

29:15 We can't have two or three doctor visits. Let's load them up, you know what I'm saying? And give them the jabs. Right. So, okay. So it's not necessarily, it's not a DNA thing. It's equating class in this case, but it's probably appropriate. And that's my educated guess. That's just my educated guess. Because like I said, when we have all of us that have to go to public schools have to get vaccines. So it's not like we're anti-vax. I mean, to attend, I mean, it's very, Very small loophole you can go through not to be vaccinated and go to public schools, but it's not likely. What's interesting about that is because I know I asked that question since it's not something that's being discussed ad nauseum every single day. And so when you say that my first thought is, wow, is it something about the color of your skin? Is there something about blackness that somehow makes that or whatever the DNA is?

30:06 And of course that's not true, but when you hear the news reports today of how the Rona disproportionately affects black and brown people, you know, I think most people who just are headline consumers will think, oh man, well it's something genetic I guess. But that's that fine line that they had this medical, medical industry is having to walk. They're saying that they said the statement did you say and then they come back and counter it. Well, there's nothing genetically that lends to black people being attacked by this. It's more of the health underlying health issues. And I still say this.

30:48 They came up with the term comorbidity to not use the well-known term, well-used term of pre-existing conditions. I have not heard one time the term pre-existing conditions used. This is why we have to listen to these narratives and how they're laid out. They're fooling us. Well, they have this walking landmines. It's like, well, we want to say black people are affected by this, but no, no, no, no, black people, there's nothing wrong with you. Genetically, it's just that you have poor health conditions, but it's out of your control. And maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but so the obvious, so that's clearly racist. And, uh,

31:38 I do not see an equal put. I just don't see as many Latinxs on television promoting this while that's of course a huge community. Can I stop you right there? Can I stop you right there? Because I don't want to go gloss over this. Now when the Rona first kicked up it was saying that Asians were thought to be the spreader of No, I'm not saying what I'm saying is that was the narrative and that's why now they're saying they're being attacked, right? Because of that association of the Rona with Asians. That's their narrative. I'm just talking about strictly the narrative. And that narrative was an anti-Trump narrative because of him saying China flu, Wuhan flu.

32:27 Or was it? And then I'm going to say this then, then why are they okay saying black people have Rona high numbers, but then they don't come back and say, well, well, we don't want to say black people are the super spreader. And why haven't we seen attacks on black people if they're the highest population affected by Rona? You see how that works? You would think you would say, I mean, if you're saying, okay, this cause leads to this effect. coming from Asia, coming from China. So people, Asian people are being attacked because of that. But then the news comes out and they will say, no, no, no, no, no, it's black people. It's black people that's affected by it. But then you don't see these random attacks due to black people supposedly have been the highest affected population.

33:19 Man, they're walking through a landmine. But I still don't understand why the targeting? Why the targeting though? What is the point? Unless there's evil intent behind it, is this also virtue signaling? Like, well, you know, we got to help somebody. Everyone seems to be doing fine. Let's find the victim. Well, I think it's the same reason why black Twitter is so influential. Black people are a small minority in America, I mean 13%, but what we think, what we buy, what we say, how we speak, hence why they had to go get Tyler Perry. You are the OG influencers.

34:01 Yes. Michael Jordan. I mean, Nike was a run-issue company before he came along. So it's really that. It's really purely because you're great influencers. That's exactly what it is. And I'll say this, and we can go on to the next clip. Well, I'm going to say two more things. If you look at GIFs or however you pronounce it, black people over-represented in GIFs. Just open up your any social media, hit the GIF button and look at black people are wildly overrepresented in there. Because it just, I don't know. Because they look so funny, Mo. Ha ha ha. Well, no, it's just because we are influential. You rule entertainment. That's okay. Let me take it to the test right now. I think you're right. I don't really do GIFs. Yeah. But I know how to get them. Let me just see. So where are my GIFs at?

35:00 Um, crap. All right. I'm already failing. Well, I'll say so while you doing that, I was making my other point. So, um, they said in this clip that 46% Americans are unsure about the autism connection. Now you compare that to one third of black people hesitant to take this vaccine. Why is it troubling concerning for us to be one third unsure when half American from their studies say people are unsure about the autism connection. Right? So think about that. And then my final point is, oh, the Cupid shuffle.

35:39 This cupid shuffle thing is a major brainwashing tool. And I have proof because we've covered the cupid shuffle before. Yes, we did. Right. And this is not a throwback clip. This is a clip that was found on the cutting room floor from the, I think, I can't remember what show it was, because I found it on the cutting room floor, so I couldn't connect it back to the show. Well, it was earlier this summer. It had to be. Right, it was right around the riots and everything when we're doing, with the police. And they remember they were trying to get people, well, let's just go ahead and get into police protesting.

36:16 Scenes like this just continue to pop up, just showing unity throughout the nation as well. This is what you're looking at right now, officers and protesters in Nebraska coming together and doing the Cupid Shuffle. This all happening after law enforcement and black leaders signed an agreement called hold cops accountable. That agreement means they would hold monthly community meetings to discuss concerns and complaints about the Lincoln police department. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Stupid shuffle. Okay. Now who does that song? That is, ah, what is his name? Dang gummit. I had it here. Uh, DJ something.

37:01 I don't have it right off hand. And it's not even important. I mean, I mean it is, but it's not because it's a one hit wonder, but they found out what it did was it took the place of Electric Slide. Electric Slide is, this goes to another thing, the Electric Slide. DJ Casper. DJ Casper, Electric Slide started out being the go-to song at family reunions, black weddings, any black gathering. It was like that one song where you could get everybody up. And I'm not saying black people only have this because you know every culture has that music or that song that it gets everybody involved. But this is the Electric Slide was that. Like the Macarena.

37:45 The Macarena, the great example, and then you know the... It's this Indian dance that they do. Gap band, oops, upside your head. And there's another one, it's this Indian dance that they do now that's become, just bled over into pop culture. I don't know the name of it. No, I don't know this one. That's interesting, you know, there's an album to be made, a collection of greatest hits of all those types of songs that have, that are just, it's, well maybe it's just called wedding favorites no matter who you are. Right, I mean, because like we just say if a DJ, great example, just say a wedding DJ is like, whoop, up, up what crowd is it? It's like, Oh, I gotta have this one in the collection to get the crowd going. So what happened was Cupid's Shuffle kind of took the place of Electric Slide. But I'm just wondering why is it every time black people got to make a serious decision, they have to bring out the Cupid's Shuffle? Why is that? It's got to be a spell.

38:40 Well, if you well, we're going to get there. Oh, we're going there early today folks. But I'm going to say walk this way dance this way. It's like you're getting because the Cupid shuffle has the same thing that these TikTok dance have to it. Follow the yellow brick road. Right. It's this same. It has a set steps to it, right? So that's why everybody in the whole party can do it because it's like, you know, let your slow was to the left, to the right, and back, then the forward kick. I'm sorry, just, I was, because it just hit me. I said, you know, follow the yellow brick road. But of course, that didn't work well enough in community. So we had to make these on down the road.

39:20 He's on down the road, baby. Nice. Yeah. We covered that in the riots clip. It's starting to run together, but I just want to say that. So you asked, who is Cupid? So let's answer that question right now. When you think of Cupid, you might have a few different pictures in your head and not even realize it. In one, you might imagine the mythological winged god of love, beautiful, golden, and impossibly muscled beneath that tiny toga. In another, he might literally be a baby, a sweet, red-cheeked cherub sleeping wistfully on a cloud.

39:56 Both of these visions of Cupid are historically accurate, but how did such different interpretations come to be? Cupid was the god of love in its many forms in Roman mythology. In the even more ancient Greek tradition, his name was Eros, the Greek word for desire, and he ruled over both passion and fertility. Cupid was an incredibly powerful god as well as a troublemaker, at times even harsh, capricious, and thoughtless. Without care to the consequence, he could inspire fires of longing that consumed gods and mortals alike until there was nothing left of them. He even used love as a form of punishment. A broken heart was his most fatal wound.

40:37 But despite all of this, Cupid was cherished at the altars of his temples as much as he was feared. Because even if mortals knew a shot from Cupid's arrow would hurt, even if it would make them crazy, they couldn't stop wanting to fall deeply, madly in love. And that is perhaps because, as the ancient Greeks seemed to realize, love is one of the most powerful forces in the universe. Oh man! The shot is Cupid's arrow! filled with love. And well, the desire for love, the desire to be around loved ones without, like she said, without care to the consequence. That's a great clip. So it's not about shaming anymore. They try with shaming. Yeah, that had to end because it was, it was, it was, they had run, it'd run its course, I think.

41:32 Well, they didn't make any red well actually when you push when you double down on shaming it's like what now why are you doing this? So now it's like don't you want to be around your loved ones? Yeah, don't you want to feel that warm and fuzzies, but just take this shot, you know It's worth like you said, it's worth it. It's just worth it Just being around people and feeling that love again. Hence the baby announcement clip. Oh So do we have that? Do we have clips now of this Cupid spell being actively used in combo with the Vax? No, what we have is that like we talked about Lady Justice, which justice does not what they mean when we hear them say love, loved ones, that kind of thing. This is what they're saying that don't worry about the consequences. Don't you want to feel loved again? Right.

42:20 So this is what we're witnessing here is a tactic shift. And I do have clips that support that. Let's first get back and I just want to make one thing that the shop makes him crazy from Cupid, but it's literally break your heart Well, we'll just table that for a minute let's get back to the tick-tock doctor she and her staff quickly became targets I have been the subject of of a tsunami of negative comments on all of my social media. There have been negative, fraudulent reviews. One social media user called Baldwin public enemy number one. And another commenter told the pediatrician to stop killing our kids with vaccines.

43:09 Even though the overwhelming scientific consensus is that vaccines do not cause autism, 16% of parents with children younger than 18 say they still believe vaccines cause more harm than good. One of the challenges we have in the era of the Internet is there is really very little recourse. Renee DiResta is a technical research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory. So what platforms have to be thinking about is what happens when the cost of physicians putting out statements to counter misinformation is that they themselves become the subject of harassment campaigns, of reputation harming campaigns, of misinformation campaigns. In recent months, Congress has grilled social media companies for failing to stop the spread of misinformation.

43:53 And in a statement, TikTok said, we remove misinformation that could cause harm to an individual's health or wider public safety. As for Baldwin, she says she's standing by her message. I'm not taking my post down. I'm not going to be bullied into submission. So this guy says that there's overwhelming support that says there's no link between autism and vaccines, but Gayle says there's no link. that's not the same thing. No, it's not. Overwhelming is like well 75, 85 percent. No link means there's zero chance that there's a link between autism and vaccines. Yeah, it was very hedgy, very cagey way to state that.

44:43 Right and then she wants to play the victim by saying oh, so I had a tsunami a negative comment I'm not taking I'm not taking my my post. I won't be lady Exactly. You mean Twitter isn't taking your post down either. Isn't that interesting or or tick-tock? Well, she's a Karen She's a tick-tock Karen TGK Yeah, she's the TikTok Karen and what we want to say that is She plays the victim. Now if you put something on social media, you're putting it for the public to say their, you know, to give their feedback. You could easily send in a private message, but if you put it on your public platform, you're expected to receive pushback. But she wants to, oh, I had a tsunami of negative comments. And they pulled two clips out saying, one, you're public enemy number one, and then the other one, you're killing our kids, right? I mean, you're going to have trolls on, I don't care who you are, we have trolls. I mean, so,

45:46 It happens, but she wants to play the victim which that's what Karen's do which leads me to go into digging into What is a Karen? They've been caught on tape ranting and raving Causing a scene Complaining about what sure seems like nonsensical things. Illegally selling water without a permit. Social media is dubbing them Karen's. That's Karen and she's calling the cops. And the phenomenon even has a Wikipedia page. A woman perceived to be entitled or demanding beyond the scope of what is considered appropriate or necessary. I am not a racist person. You just made a racist comment.

46:26 We need to go home. So why the name Karen? As far as we can determine, the first woman to be tagged as a Karen was Kate Gosselin of Kate Plus 8 fame. This meme started circulating on social media in 2014. Jamie Cohen is a new media expert. It's a name that represents an age and that age ranges from like 35 and 55 at this point. And so it's a specific age. Hmm, okay. is something that I don't know if you're aware of Kevin Samuels or not. He's a huge, highly popular YouTube content creator. And he's bleeding over into the mainstream media now. That's how big his celebrity is becoming. But I'm not sure if he coined this term, but he's been pushing it. And it's called sign language. And sign is an acronym for shame, insult, guilt, and need to be right.

47:26 This is the old tactic that they use and she's using it here. Where you, if a person comes against you, you use shame, insulting or guilting them or it has the need to be right. So this is the go-to tactic for Karens. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I am thankful vaccines have eradicated so many deadly childhood diseases. Oh look, we've got a show for Big Pharma here. A show? In Jersey, we like to vaccinate our kids the natural way, by swimming in a polluted lake. Do you even know what's in vaccines? Uh, well, I am a doctor so... All of us are trying to do what's right for our kids, but we can't let emotions make our medical decisions. Frustrated emoji. No, we should let a stay-at-home doctor make our decisions for us. Crying laughing emoji.

48:25 Really? Vaccines work. They work so well that idiots haven't seen the ravages of polio firsthand, so they start spreading lies. Snorting emoji. Ha ha ha. How much are they paying you to poison our kids, Dr. Death? Needle emoji. Bitch, I will drive to New Jersey to fight you, and your ugly kids can watch! Mom! Hi. This is a throwback clip from show nine. Yeah. And this is vaccines on blackish. So they've been pushing this way before. Yeah, way before COVID or the Rona. And so I just wanted to show you examples of of sign language. So insults, guilt,

49:10 And it's funny because you kind of have two Karens or Karens going back and forth with each other. So that was the beauty of this clip because they both were using this tactic of insulting each other, shaming each other. So I just wanted to lay that out that we have black Karens as well. So yeah, although Wikipedia specifically says it has to be a white woman just FYI Wikipedia can't be wrong mo. Right? Well, I beg to differ but if it's in Wikipedia is this the truth? Give me the give me it was signals guilt. No, say shame and guilt shame insult insult guilt Uh-huh, and the need to be right. That's the end need to be right. I

50:02 That's interesting. That's the old method that they were using with the vaccines. It was like, oh, you don't want to get it? No, you're going to kill people? You want to kill grandma? You know, it was that kind of thing, right? And it's like, oh, well, you just, you're just, that was the guilt and the shame, right? It was, and then the insult, it was like, you're just misinformed. You're just, you know, you're, you're not smarter. You know, that kind of thing. And there's science that the need to be right. Well, 95% of this and that kind of thing. So that's the sign language. So I found it fascinating when I heard him use that term. It's like, well, this is the language that's being used to manipulate people, but they went from the sign language to the love language.

50:45 I guess we can go back to Dr. Karen in TikTok 3. I mean for me as a clinician, I think one very effective way is to start with common ground. What's the common ground between you and your patient? Which is that we all love our kids. We all want them to stay away from harm. So you have to have the attitude that's not judgmental. I mean attitude matters, tone matters. So it's a difference between saying like

51:23 Why do you think that versus what do you think that but the science is so clear? Why is it hard to debunk because there's science and then there's belief right and it's very hard when you're both think of the beliefs that you've had that when they get punctured Yeah, that's a very hard thing to deal with but I think for now, you know, the science is very clear I think doctors have to have empathy for the parents who are in there trying to do you just want to keep their kids Both sides think they're doing the right thing for their kids. Both sides do. It's not a both sides issue anymore. I mean, it is very clear that these vaccines have been saving lives for decades. And I have to say there are voices that you're not hearing this discussion. You're not hearing the more than 140,000 people a year who die from measles. And most of them are kids under the age of five. You're not hearing from the tens of thousands of people in the United States alone who die from the flu. Most of them who don't get the flu vaccine. These TikToks, I have to be honest,

52:16 I kind of pulled a ward over your eyes, but these TikTok clips are for measles, not COVID. I know. This is one of my biggest complaints. The differences in how these are treated. No, I'm just saying that this is, they were setting this thing up, this was January 21, 2020. Oh no, I mean, I think we've made this observation on no agenda. I mean, they were locking down parts of New York City and making it a big deal, like, what this is? I've never seen this before for measles. The measles was the test run. Yeah, it was a kind of, it definitely was some form of test run.

52:54 It was a test run. How will people respond to being forced to be vaccinated? No, how will people, like you said, how will people, like it was certain small communities where you have to stay in your house. It was a test run of the shaming part of the exercise because that, they never got to, they never got to the love stage. It was all only the shaming part. This the male doctor was speaking he was saying that that's what he said you had to start with common ground He was telling them the shame is not gonna work, but you can even hear the need to be right from Gail and other male journalists to say, no, the science is clear. It's not a both side issue. I mean, they were sticking to their guns because they needed to be right. And he's like, no, you need to start with common ground. And that was he was playing out that you got to go with the love language, not the sound language. Smart. So.

53:40 Right, and he was right. He was right all along. Like I said, he was right over a year ago. But they were like, no, we can force people and they realized that we can't force people. And like he said, there's a difference between, I think how he said, he said between knowledge and belief. And this is where the rub comes in. Yeah, and this is also where it gets dangerous. I'm sorry to interrupt you. No, go ahead. It's one thing when the government is in your face and in collusion with media who, of course, are funded to a large degree by the pharmaceutical industry and now the biosecurity state.

54:21 When it's in your face and they're just saying, we're gonna mandate, you know, then it's kind of an obvious enemy that you can fight with the Constitution, all kinds of things. When they're pulling the switch and they're throwing in the Cupid song and it's all about love and back with your family, and it's being done consciously by the government in collusion with the media and the pharmaceutical industry, that scares me. Yeah, but their pushback is gonna be from people that value their faith. their beliefs over knowledge. That's why they had to get the Pope on board or at least that's what they thought. They thought that by getting the Pope on board, everyone's gonna listen to the Pope.

55:03 Nope, because there's a reason why. And that's why I found a clip from his Birmingham pastor. And this is local news down in Birmingham. And this is around the same time when COVID first started. And we're just going to go through this set of clips here with him. Let's start with clip number one. Pastors, we got to believe in what we've been preaching. We've been telling folks nothing too hard for God. We've been telling folks to walk by faith, not by sight. I want to challenge every pastor in Birmingham, black pastors and white pastors, open God's church now. Pray and let's trust God through this nationwide pandemic.

55:41 have compassion and prayer for all the families. We're praying for the victims of this COVID-19. We're praying for the nurses and the health care workers. However, we feel the church is not a normal institution. The church is a house of prayer, and we must pray for those and we must be open to those who are affected by this virus. This virus has made a hypocrite out out of a lot of pastors. We must believe that we walk by faith, not by sight. This virus is not bigger than God. And my problem is that all of a sudden now, pastors have no faith.

56:22 But even at that, when the governor said we open things back up, the bars are open, the restaurants are open, the beaches are open. Now all of a sudden there's a fear factor that we can't open the church. So we have pastors now who have not opened the church even after they could open it. Yeah, so with this, like I said, this is a faith issue and a lot of people are noticing it's like, hold on, hold on, hold on. I thought you told us to walk by faith and not by sight and God can do all things. Right. And then the pastor's like, shut him down. It's like, no, no, no, no. And I'll say this, now there is a financial

57:06 component to this. The bigger mega churches, they have the infrastructure to where they have their television set up, they have their online set up, but the smaller more community churches, they have to have people come in to give tithes and offerings, which means a financial component to churches. Where we have to have people coming in to put money into the collection plates to pay the mortgage and everything that's on the church and the bills. And if these things don't get paid, then the church is gonna belly up. And as this pastor says, it's funny now that the bars are open. Three massage parlors down in Atlanta are open. I'm not gonna go there, but hey. Nobody's talking about that part. I don't know how you social distance and get, you know what I'm saying? I'll leave it there. But it's the hypocrite. And it's like the pastors themselves are being hypocrites. And let me explain one thing and I'm gonna turn it back over to you.

58:07 that this thing of walking by faith and not by sight. Now that sounds if that's a shaming thing, because people say, well, what do you mean? It's like the facts are clear, you know, the science. What that means is I know the situation looks bad now, but my faith is that they will get better. It's not being ignorant. It's that, but so I'll have to be honest. There's some pastors that do preach it that way. And it's, that's a very harmful thing. And the final point I have is the importance of prayer, especially group prayer because I'm not going to get churchy here, but the application of faith is when two or three gather in his name, you're saying it has a special power to it. And what I equate that here is to karma. When people start sending karma back and forth on either here or the No Agenda show, you see results. So there's something there when humans get to

59:04 agreeing on something, that there's a power there. I think it's... we've experimented with this a lot on the Noah Jenner show, not just with karma but also with a rain stick. which we've had extremely high success with. And I'm convinced that it really has something to do, because it never happens immediately. It always takes at least two days. On the third day is when it comes. And that kind of coincides when people will listen to the podcast. And I truly believe with karma shoutouts and that kind of stuff, there is something that happens when this enters a whole bunch of people's hearts, really,

59:47 Because the whole thing is you know the whole idea it opens your chakras just to say oh I really hope that person gets this karma and it works somehow So I'm all in on that And that's over the digital airways where we're not sharing physical space. So when you're saying you're sharing physical space and people are holding hands and praying and vibrating on like these chakras. Vibrations, man, definitely. Vibrating on the same frequency, I think that there's some kind of metaphysical, just for non-believers, I'll put it like that, occurrence that can happen. So that's what you're saying. Like in the time, if we don't need churches, if churches are not essential now,

1:00:30 Then when will they be essential, especially for believers? But the pushback which you're going to hear is and this is local news. You're going to hear this local reporter use sign language on this pastor. How do you explain that to people? We're seeing at least 100,000 people who have died from this virus across the country. Right. The church, I'm not oblivious to the virus and the statistics. I'm not clueless to the numbers of those who have died in New York and California and 100,000 people nationwide.

1:01:06 But I know that God's word is bigger than any virus and that prayer and an open church can get us through this. I have a problem now all of a sudden the church is the most dangerous place in town. If a member of your church contracted COVID-19, somehow dies, let's talk to church. Right. If someone contracted COVID-19 and actually died, we still gonna trust God. The God we serve is able, but if not...

1:01:46 But all of a sudden now nobody thinks about country catching the disease at Walmart Lowe's Or at the bar or at the beach or at the liquor store? Nobody worries about catching the church in these pagan areas But all of a sudden we can't sit next to somebody that we worship with for 20 years No, no, I think the devil is using this to pause the people's mind well I'm all in with the pastor and is he still okay? Has he mysteriously disappeared? I didn't check on him. But man, speak some truth. Did you hear the sign language though? Don't you hear about all the deaths, Pastor? Doesn't that worry you? Shaming. And then it came back with the guilt saying, well, what if one of your members died due to COVID? How would you feel, Pastor? Yeah. Guilt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it doesn't work because it doesn't work. No, certainly not against a guy like this. No way.

1:02:49 But also what he said was really nice. He said believer, and that was a very open-ended way of saying it. He would say if you're a believer, it doesn't necessarily have to mean believer in God. You just call it that. And like I said, this is not a... this is... I mean, there's people out there that think, like you said, that chakras and cleansing crystals and these kind of things, they work. So they're on this... it's just weird. It's probably the same frequency that you're vibrating on. You know, it doesn't really matter. Everyone kind of gets to that state no matter what your belief is.

1:03:28 Right, I think it's about what the human mind believes in it's the fact of believing not how you get there not the vehicle You know that gets you to believe but what activates the belief in you. Yes some people in church holding hands and hymns yes other people is uh It's like I said crystals and essential oils and candles and that kind of thing like when you get to that vibration they're all vibrating so You can see things actually manifest. I mean, like I said, I don't want to go too far on that, but I just want to show you how the media, how is it? Like you said, Lowe's is open. The bars are open. These pagan areas are open. Massage parlors in Atlanta, Georgia are open. I didn't hear the reporter after that. He was kind of quiet. Nah. So let's go ahead and wrap up with the third clip from the pastor.

1:04:16 Pastors, you got to put your faith in action and trust God through this and open the church. Yes. What's your response to the president? He said churches should open again. I'm 100% President Trump and I have disagreed on a number of things. The sad news is President Trump has made a hypocrite out of pastors. President Trump is right. The church is essential. He doubled down on the shame, he's like, well, hold on, hold on black pastor. He pulled the 45 card. Right, he said, okay black pastor, don't you find it weird that you're on the same side as the white supremacist Donald Trump? That's right, orange man bad, hello, I'm gonna throw that at you. Right, and then you heard the pastor come back, he's like, well,

1:03:28 Right, I think it's about what the human mind believes in it's the fact of believing not how you get there not the vehicle You know that gets you to believe but what activates the belief in you. Yes some people in church holding hands and hymns yes other people is uh It's like I said crystals and essential oils and candles and that kind of thing like when you get to that vibration they're all vibrating so You can see things actually manifest. I mean, like I said, I don't want to go too far on that, but I just want to show you how the media, how is it? Like you said, Lowe's is open. The bars are open. These pagan areas are open. Massage parlors in Atlanta, Georgia are open. I didn't hear the reporter after that. He was kind of quiet. Nah. So let's go ahead and wrap up with the third clip from the pastor.

1:04:16 Pastors, you got to put your faith in action and trust God through this and open the church. Yes. What's your response to the president? He said churches should open again. I'm 100% President Trump and I have disagreed on a number of things. The sad news is President Trump has made a hypocrite out of pastors. President Trump is right. The church is essential. He doubled down on the shame, he's like, well, hold on, hold on black pastor. He pulled the 45 card. Right, he said, okay black pastor, don't you find it weird that you're on the same side as the white supremacist Donald Trump? That's right, orange man bad, hello, I'm gonna throw that at you. Right, and then you heard the pastor come back, he's like, well,

1:05:09 If we're, and this is a matter of thing like this. If I'm saying I believe what I believe and not whatever you believe, if for people to actually believe it, they don't care. That's that walk by faith, not by sight. It's like things are going to get better or I'm going to die. And if it's meant for me to die and I have disbelief myself, if I, it's meant for me to be dead today, I could be in a padded room. There's no protection from death. And that, and I think that's, No, another underlying thing with the belief, and like I said, I don't want to make this about church per se, but this is when science start going up against people's beliefs. And this is where the real pushback comes in at, and this is why they had to go get Tyler Perry to convince people that would be in this past as congregation to say, take the vaccine. In a weird way, it's kind of a reverse renaissance.

1:06:07 where people start discovering science and the Earth and our relationship to the universe and the stars and the planets. And it looks like we're not flat, all this stuff. And now it's kind of the reverse, where You know, there's belief is trying to come back and break through and say, well, all the science is great, but you know, hold on a second. Is it a, is this really science? And let's not forget the believing part, which is an essential part of life. And it's funny you say that because I've heard more people start speaking in terms of belief. I'm not saying religion. I'm saying the belief because in trying times, we can,

1:06:55 We turn to that stuff. But that's what we call it a Hail Mary, right? It's like when you're down by six points and you get a touchdown, it's like, Let me throw this Hail Mary up. So if you're in a, you know, we're kind of down on the scoreboard right now against COVID. It's like, well, nothing else is working. Let me, let me say a little prayer for I go outside. So the road or don't get me even for, even for nonbelievers or no things of that nature. So that's one side of the pastors. So I had to go back and get the other side, like I said, of the more mega church, uh,

1:07:33 socially acceptable pastors and this is being a clip from conversations with America unpacking COVID witnesses with TD Jake's. Right now we're in the worst possible situation. And between 3 and 4,000 deaths per day. Tonight, hope resting on that vaccine. The coronavirus vaccine. Across the country, hope that this is a game changer. But no vaccine will be effective if the people don't take it. A lot of people are very fearful of the vaccine. I don't know that I'm going to take it. I don't even take the flu shot. I've heard a lot of crazy things.

1:08:11 This vaccine can alter your DNA. It's too close to the market piece. Dr. Fauci, I wanted to ask you a follow-up question. Yeah, let me just chime in here. What potential side effects do we need to worry about? Why should the American people trust this vaccine? Welcome to Conversations with America, a data-driven vehicle for helping Americans navigate uncomfortable discussions. I'm Bishop T.D. Jakes and I'm proud to be your host today. For the last 10 months, we've been living through the worst pandemic in more than a century. I'm sure you're familiar with the numbers. More than 22 million infected and 360,000 people are dead. These are numbers that continue to rise daily. It is rare that a household has not been touched in some way by the pandemic. Whether through infection, job loss, or the death of a relative or a close friend,

1:09:12 We've all been touched. Man, this guy is Don Cornelius reincarnated. So, and don't get it twisted. I would say that amongst black people, T.D. Jakes is probably like the black pope of the black Christian church. He has that much juice. 61 episodes is the first time you're mentioning this guy to me? I think we covered TD Jakes before. I think he's popped up before, but not in this sense because I'm explaining to you why he's important. Yeah. Oh yeah, no, I'm sorry. You're right. But you never told me it was like the Black Pope.

1:09:54 And he's a bishop, by the way. He's a bishop. Of the Christian church. He's the end-all be-all on things. And Mama Facts might, you know, Mama Facts here, she might have to come for me because, you know, she's a big supporter of T.D. Jakes and Tyler Perry. So I'm just hanging out in the library. Whoa, whoa, Torn, Torn. Oh my goodness. But they mentioned in his clip, I don't know if you heard it or not because it was kind of muffled, the Mark of the Beast. Have you heard the Mark of the Beast crop up on your side of things? Well, regarding vaccines from day one, this has always been... In fact, this is so... I'm coming to this realization after kind of being a conspiracy therapist for 14 years.

1:10:45 So many things have come true, like a lot of things, but you know it's been 10 years since it was first kind of a thing. The Mark of the Beast, microchips and vaccines, that's been discussed for over 10 years. For over 10 years. And it was always going to be, it was going to be a chip inserted into every human being and the most likely delivery mechanism was vaccines. And here we are, that's circling again. But also the technology is in fact here. Correct. And a big segment of the trooper community are believers. So that's true. That was the gateway for a lot of people into the trooper community is the believers. And you start seeing these so-called quote unquote prophecies start to reveal themselves. And it's like, and that's kind of like how QAnon

1:11:39 picked up a lot of esteem because a lot of believers. So I just want to lay that out. But it's funny that they meant this, that was the opening. What I played was the opening of this conversations with America, unpacking the COVID-19 vaccine with TD Jakes. And that was the opening of it. But there was no other mention of Mark of the Beast in the whole segment. In the whole, almost two hours. They just threw that in there, huh? Right, just threw it out there, you know, Mark of the Beast and nobody else brought it up. So, this is, now I'm gonna go a little, I gotta explain to you why Tyler Perry is important. Tyler Perry is the amalgamation of T.D. Jakes and Oprah.

1:12:27 Mmm, okay. Let me explain. From the fave side, Tyler Perry's entertainment has always had a fave tinge to it. Uh, not as much now. He's going, you know, he's Going to the dark side. No, dark side, I mean I wouldn't want to say it, but yeah. You don't want to bring the cross when you're visiting the dark side. Right, so that's why he has such a big believer following because in his live shows it had a lot of Christian songs and Christian themes and that's who that's his base. That's his base of his uh, uh supporters right and now Oprah saw that and He has the entertainment side of oprah So what they've done is say we have this one person that has both the the faith of td jakes or the faith representation of td jakes and the entertainment player

1:13:28 entertainment flair and the outside or the corner world's level of success from Oprah. Right. So they merge these two into one. He's been ordained by Oprah. Oh, it's bigger than that because you got to remember Tyler Perry is also Madea. So he has two personalities baked into him just from the beginning. I'm sorry, how do we know he's Madea? He plays the role of Madea. To be honest with you, Madea is more popular than Tyler Perry. You know Madea the movie? Madea, when he dresses up in a dress? The woman? No, I don't know shit about this, you know? Holy shit! You never heard of Madea? Madea is like, oh, how can I explain it?

1:14:17 Basically, Madea is when Tyler Perry cross-dresses. And he plays this role of this woman. I didn't think I was going to explain this, but I'm glad I did because you... And this is why we have to sit down every couple of weeks and talk for some hours so we get it. Well, like, I'm shocked. I'm literally flabbergasted you don't know who Madea is, but this is great. So Madea is basically, Tyler Perry plays this role of like this grandma slash aunt But she smokes weed and she carries a pistol and she says what she wanted to say. And that's his bread and butter. So that's why his shows got so popular because he played this role so well. And that's what brought the crowds in. Well, he wanted to distance himself from Madea.

1:15:05 and be taken seriously as a director. But once you know, once finances get into it and studios get into it, they want to go back to the bread and butter, the moneymaker. So that's what I'm saying. He represents Oprah and T.D. Jakes with him being Tyler Perry and Madea all rolled into one. And if you want to go there, I'm just going to go there then bump it. The Balfour Met contains binary elements representing symbolism of equilibrium of opposites. Half human, half animal, half male, half female, half good, half evil. So Tyler Perry plays the role of Balfour Mitt. I'm saying a lot here. No symbolism there. I have no idea. I'm looking now at his IMDB.

1:15:58 Completely. I can't wait to ask Tina. I can't, I can't wait. She's up on stuff, man. I can't wait to ask about that. Now, when, when did this Medea stuff start? This was the start. I mean, he was sleeping in his cars and doing shows. No, I know. What year? What year? What year? I want to say early 2000s, 2001, 2002. I'm just shocked you never heard of Medea. Wow. Like, I mean, I'm, wow. Oh, uh, I feel woefully unprepared. No, it's great. It's great. No, because then you don't, I mean, you'll get to see it in a, actually in a, um, aspect that if you knew about him, you were saying you might be jaded one way or the other. And I'm just saying I'm fresh. Right. So he plays, like I said, Talia, Medea is more popular than Tyler Perry.

1:16:58 I'm serious. I mean, I recognize the picture, of course. I'm like, oh yeah, I've seen this, but no. Maybe you didn't know it was him. I mean, because he plays the role so well. Honestly, I look at that, I mean, that looks more like Samuel Jackson to me. Yeah, so he and yeah, so that's that's my D and that's just my theory that he's playing this representative role. I'm not saying he is the Balfour, but I'm saying him himself contains both elements of the female of the male of the entertainment side and of the believer side. And it's like he's the perfect pitch person to reach the crowd. They're trying to reach. Wow, man, you sure he's not the Antichrist?

1:17:40 to be determined. TBD? To be determined this fall coming to you on WTBS. So I have a quick clip, Laman, because I found this interesting from the Tyler Perry segment because they Tyler Perry, I mean, excuse me, the TD Jake segment. Yes. He had a similar thing that he put together that Tyler Perry put together. But it had different doctors, but same format, explaining to me why the vaccine won't kill me kind of thing. And in this, this is Dr. Kizmika Corbett. Do you remember her, Dr. Kizzi? I don't know if you remember her. Yeah, Dr. Kizzi, I remember, sure.

1:18:23 Yeah, she was the first one. She was the first doctor that it rolled out, but she had some problems with her without well, to all get dressed on the other and other side of this clip. Well, I've got you talking. Let me follow up with another question. What about fertility? Has there been any consideration to long term effects on fertility and should pregnant women have any concerns about taking the vaccine? No, there have not been any considerations about long-term fertility issues. Part of the reason why there is this, I think, thought that these vaccines might affect fertility is one, because they are messenger RNA vaccine platforms.

1:19:04 And because of the knowledge surrounding messenger RNA, the initial thought was that you might be able to affect one's DNA and thus fertility, and that is just simply untrue. messenger RNA does not affect or alter one's DNA, and nor does it alter your fertility. And so I think that that's just one of the things that has to be said in this regard. So let me just throw one thing in, Bishop, that we often get asked, Kizzy and I often get asked regarding mRNA vaccines.

1:19:40 They hear the word RNA and they say, is this going to do anything to my genes? Is it going to interfere or do something to distort my genes? And the answer to that is absolutely not. No question, case closed, that's it. Because that's such an interesting question they could ask. It's understandable why when people hear RNA, they hear DNA, they hear genes, they want to know if it's going to interfere in some way or get into your genes and change your genetic makeup. Not a chance. That's good to hear. Very good to hear.

1:20:19 Wow, okay, that was Dr. Kizzi is the so-called black woman who was trotted out early on with Fauci and what a liar this guy is. I mean it's really fudging to say, you want me to wait? No, no, no, I have to ask this question. Is it true what they're saying? Because I didn't really dive deep into the science behind this stuff. I'm going more off the narrative. This is where I have to lean on you. Go take the floor. The way, okay, the way I understand it, and it's really simplistic, well, there's two ways. One,

1:19:40 They hear the word RNA and they say, is this going to do anything to my genes? Is it going to interfere or do something to distort my genes? And the answer to that is absolutely not. No question, case closed, that's it. Because that's such an interesting question they could ask. It's understandable why when people hear RNA, they hear DNA, they hear genes, they want to know if it's going to interfere in some way or get into your genes and change your genetic makeup. Not a chance. That's good to hear. Very good to hear.

1:20:19 Wow, okay, that was Dr. Kizzi is the so-called black woman who was trotted out early on with Fauci and what a liar this guy is. I mean it's really fudging to say, you want me to wait? No, no, no, I have to ask this question. Is it true what they're saying? Because I didn't really dive deep into the science behind this stuff. I'm going more off the narrative. This is where I have to lean on you. Go take the floor. The way, okay, the way I understand it, and it's really simplistic, well, there's two ways. One,

1:20:56 Elon Musk has said this is like an operating system for your whole body. So, you know, it can, it's like you can program things and he took that to quite the extreme. Like, hey, you know, we could turn you into a butterfly if we wanted to. So that's kind of extreme, but I mean, it makes sense. So the kind of fudgy words. So let me, let me, I'm just going to make sure I understand this. So it does affect your DNA because what they're saying in this clip is Won't affect your DNA. That's totally no. No if you listen carefully, that's not what he's saying He said he said it does not Affect your DNA. No the way I understand and I can be wrong. Mm-hmm. It's messenger so it's like me so if I know that if you do a whole bunch of push-ups and

1:21:48 you're gonna get more developed shoulders and arms. And so if I stand on the other side of the room and say, hey Mo, if you do some push-ups, you'll get stronger shoulders, I'm messaging you. What you're doing is you're choosing to take that message and do something about it. And then you actually did it. So am I changing your arms? No, I'm telling you what to do to change your arms. So the messenger RNA is telling your body what to do and I believe that can Can be a or that is a structural change in your DNA, but your body is doing it based upon the messaging Which is you know, the the magic sauce of the of the mRNA I may be totally wrong But that's how I understand it. That's kind of how I understood it too, but they're speaking, you know So like no it won't do anything. It's not a problem

1:22:42 Well, then the other thing with the birth rates in the in the fertility mean, well, that's well, that's horseshit. No, that's a lie They don't they don't have a long-term study. So you can't say there's a long-term study. That's just bullcrap. Well, dr. Kizzi was pregnant Now let me explain to you why they had to get rid of dr. Kizzi. Yeah, she made she she was the perfect dark skin, Ados, actually she grew up maybe 15-20 minutes away from me over in Orange County. No, you ran a background check. All right way to go Moe. Yeah So, Dr. Kizzy perfect she had the name Kizzy which I You can notice they shortened it. Her name is Kizmika, but they shorten it up to Kizzy now Kizzy has some I want to put it it has some

1:23:43 subconscious registering with black people because Kizzee was the daughter of Kunta Kinte in Roots. Oh, man! I didn't even pick up on that one. So when you hear Kizzee, it's like, oh yeah, she wanted to, it was saying like, very, very, it's like, you might as well, she might as well come out and say Wakanda every, you know, Wakanda forever if you just want to lay it on there, right? Well, what she did, Her problem is what she said before. She had some tweets that were very interesting. I think the one was, she says, some have gone as far as call it genocide, speaking about COVID. I plead the fifth.

1:24:27 And now you're all on board? But two, she has some very anti-black tweets. I'm not going to go in here and say word for word because I'll just let people find them on their own, but I think that's why they had to counsel her. Because people, as the internet does... People were finding that the canon was warming up and getting pointed in her direction. Yes, but I'll see another reason why they did choose her because she graduated in 2004 and got a PhD in microbiology and immunology from University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Oh, she's perfect. You know, that's where they were doing the COVID stuff before they had to take it out and move to Wuhan. Mm-hmm.

1:25:10 Well, I did some digging on that UNC thing and I found this. It says, while no one is talking about the possible escapes of the in Chapel Hill. It says while no one is suggesting that UNC created the virus that causes COVID alone or with the Wuhan lab, such near misses highlight the potential risk of an infected lab worker exposing the public even in the most secure and respect the research facilities as they search for treatments for the vaccine. And that is from, let me get the source just so people know I didn't pluck it out of thin air. That's from a laboratoryequipment.com. So I mean, it's a pretty reputable site. But I'm just saying, it's funny how she was at graduating from UMC in 2014, 2016 I think is when they moved the lab to Wuhan. Are you telling me that she possibly could be typhoid Mary?

1:26:06 No, no, I'm not saying her. Why not? Why not? It's a better story. Yeah, but what I was just saying is she was perfect for the job until she got wrecked by people doing investigations into her past. How stupid are people? Like you gotta delete that stuff before you take the job. Well, I mean, you can't delete the internet. That's the problem. Well, okay, but I'm sure it was just an oversight and she just it was just out there. No, I think actually people did deep dive because this is how skeptical the community is of anybody that's pushing this narrative. So I'm just laying that out. That's why she got bumped down to the B team. And I also want to point out that notice how I felt she had that mansplain right behind her. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, and he didn't get called out on that.

1:26:55 Yeah, so now we get back to Tyler Perry. All right now I'm not saying Tyler Perry has not been impacted by COVID and I'm not saying any let me be clear. Kamala Harris COVID is real and it's killing people. And I think when people say that it's not because you have people who are very vulnerable, especially in you know saying so called black people with high blood pressure, heart disease, cancers and all these other things. Flu can take you out. Yes, easily. So I think when people say it's the flu, what you do is you say you think when you say it's the flu, you think, oh, you get sick for a week and you get over it. But if it's as potent as the flu, it still can kill you. It's a lack of knowledge. It's a complete lack of knowledge. People do not know the statistic. They do not know. And people don't actually die from flu. Typically, it's from the pneumonia, which happens.

1:27:51 And the numbers are just, it's not in your face all the time. Everyone pretty much knows 70,000 annual deaths from opioids. I mean, it's crazy when you hear how many people die slipping in the bathroom and dying from flu-like symptoms, which is the term they use, which is technically in combination with pneumonia, is often in 100,000 a year. or more. And it's kind of blurry because you don't know if they died and died with COVID or died of COVID. But if you had somebody die, you ain't trying to hear the details. So I just want to say, when you have these conversations with people, you got to be careful how you say it because you lose them. It's just a flu, right? And like I said before, the flu can kill people. And Tyler Perry has been impacted. And this is way before he actually decided to do the special. And this is Tyler Perry mourns a loss.

1:29:02 The crisis hitting home for media mogul Tyler Perry. He took to Instagram to mourn the loss of one of his hairstylists who lost his life to COVID-19. Liza Lucas practicing social distancing at her home in Fulton County this morning and Liza Perry now has an important message for the entire African-American community. That's right, Chrissy. This was really a passionate plea we saw shared on Tyler Perry's Instagram, really telling the African-American community to take this virus seriously. Of course, this post in conjunction with the tribute to his friend,

1:29:37 his hairstylist, his crew member Charles Gregory, who died from the virus. Now, the actor and director shared a photo of himself with Gregory on Instagram, begging people to practice social distancing to stop the spread of COVID-19. His post honoring his crew member by giving a warning to the African American community saying, quote, While everyone can contract this virus, it is black people who are dying from it in much larger numbers. And he ends by saying, this is real. So we've been following a lot of the reaction on our social media channels. 11 Live is where Atlanta speaks and you can just see the condolences that have been coming in, the prayers.

1:30:14 the support for Tyler Perry as well as Gregory's family and the stars also weighing in, including Viola Davis. This is someone who is definitely working and very busy in the film community. A lot of tributes have been pouring in and a lot of responses in regards to Perry's message as well. Denise and others calling this a wake up call. Let us know how the words affect you this morning. Use that hashtag morningrushATL. Certainly a message with a lot of reach. Never let a crisis go to waste. effective his bubble was at his studios. About six or seven months ago, I think it's been now, I put together this whole bubble here at the studio and I called someone that I knew was an expert in this field. But I want you to know that we did over 200 shows inside that bubble without one positive person. So. Wait a minute. And he said this before his hairdresser died? No, afterwards. OK. Hmm.

1:31:25 He said, no, the hairdresser died and then he said nobody. And I found that a weird statistic that says you didn't have any out of, we've seen the NBA bubble. We've seen these bubbles, NFL, they had a similar kind of, not exactly a bubble, but you had no cases? I find that weird, especially if he's hiring an over-representation of black people, as I would suspect or I would hope. Do you have any cases? What's not even asymptomatic? What's that part? You know, how strict was the bubble? I mean, how tight was it for 200 people? They have everybody living on site. No, no, no, no. He didn't say 200 people. He said 200 shows. Oh, I'm sorry. How many people do you think he still has to have a lot of? I mean, if you just if you just do 10 per show, that's two that's 2000. I mean, just saying to me, cast crew. I mean, that's a very low number.

1:32:22 as far as I mean, just saying if you take that representation, just say 500 people, 1,000 people. That's weird not to have one case. So I didn't think that was a weird, I mean, it's nothing there, but I just wanted to say that was, you had somebody die, was the hairdresser working or was he not working? And then it's weird. But I just want to make the point that people are dying and more specifically, celebrities are dying. So now we're going to have to go to Alex Jones. Because, and this is not me stacking the jury. What I'm doing here is this is one of the only few people that have been talking about the black celebrities that have been dying due to the COVID-19 vaccine. The undisputed middleweight champion of the world, Marvelous Marvin Hagler is dead today, according to friends and family.

1:33:16 He died from the effects of the vaccine. He was admitted to the emergency room yesterday and died today after taking the vaccine, just like Hank Aaron. And I'll talk about that here in just a moment. But if you remember last year, Bill Gates said on national TV that 80% of people would get bad side effects and that 700,000 people would get sick or die. They also say pregnant women shouldn't take it. Does it stop the US government pushing on pregnant women and children, including babies? And if you remember when Hank Aaron died after taking the second shot of the Pfizer shot, The media said, oh we talked to the medical examiner, they did an autopsy, he didn't die of the COVID-19 vaccine. The family came out and told Robert Kennedy Jr. that they didn't do an autopsy and that he died after the second shot. And they want to just normalize it, be a hero, go take the shot. So all these sports icons roll their sleeves up, they go take it and they die. There was another name I thought, another famous, another celebrity who died.

1:34:17 It was, let's see, it was Hank Aaron. Yeah, I remember that. Hagler. Oh, wait, oh, it's another celebrity. No, no, let's go straight into 21. Here's another celebrity. And then of course you've got Ben Stein. He took one of the mRNA vaccines and called it a killer but said, oh, I'm not attacking vaccines because he knows you'll get demonized if you do that because big techs merged with big pharma and says you can't do it. A word of warning to you, my fellow Americans or whatever you are. I had the COVID booster, the Moderna, about four or five days ago and I am still feeling wild side effects from it. Like I had the worst flu in the world, extreme shortness of breath, a dizziness, fatigue, extremely irrational thinking.

1:35:07 It has just been devastating. I'm glad I got it. Sort of glad. I don't know, a little bit glad and also not quite so glad. But it has just got to be told to the people, us people, we people, us people, that this booster is a killer. I mean, it's not going to kill you, literally, but it is very, very strong. Beware. Yeah, I played this clip on No Agenda, too. And also the context of saying people, us people, you know, we, us people, which to me, I don't know, was he signaling to Jewish people? Because it felt like it.

1:35:44 I don't, he said American people, us people, so I don't know, but one of the things I want to point out, he said one of the side effects is that it made you crazy, or think crazy, maybe like Cupid's shot. I'm just asking. Oh, very nice. Hey, Herman Cain. Herman Cain. Oh yeah, that's right. Well, he doesn't matter. He's a conservative. So I mean... Well, that's right. I remember they kind of wanted to do it because, you know, he got the COVID after being in the... Was it the Rose Garden event or some Trump event? The super spreader event. The super spreader event. and the media really wanted to do a na-na-na-na-na, like, you got COVID and you did, and they tried for us. Social media did! Right, but the media, like, they weren't able to do it. They could not do it. They knew that that would be the wrong message.

1:36:33 Well, they left it up to social media to do that and I saw some... I'm not being flippant about Herman Cain dying. No, not at all. I liked Herman Cain. It didn't matter to black people. Right, yeah, yeah, I got you. It didn't matter to black people because he's conservative and this is how easily they can dehumanize people because of your political beliefs. Yeah. Like, oh, he deserved it. Like Rush Limbaugh. The things people said when he died, man, holy crap. Yeah, and it's that's very sick. Yeah, so I think so. So Tyler Perry in his special he speaks on the side effects or what possible side effects and this is a black community five. You know, they always talk about the reaction. That's another thing people are afraid of. I've heard number one, which vaccine did you get Tyler?

1:37:18 I took the Pfizer, I took my first one on the January 4th and I took the second one yesterday and I had no reaction the first shot. This shot that I just took yesterday, I woke up with some aches and pains but I took some Advil a few, about an hour ago and I feel fine now. Yeah, but they said it's very common that you know, you don't have a reaction to the first one but you can have a sometimes dramatic reaction to the second one. But it doesn't deter you, you still don't regret taking it, right? Not at all, because here's the alternative. Here's what you don't understand. The problem with this COVID-19 virus is that you never know how it's going to affect you. And we have, I've had people who have died that I know, I've had people who have had long term health issues that I know. So you're making the choice of getting a vaccine and even though it's 95, 96% efficacy, what happens is you are reducing your chances of ending up in the ICU by 100%. So I think that's just

1:38:14 important that people know that. If you take your chances with COVID, you never know how it's going to affect you and it could affect your long-term health. No Tyler, you're absolutely right. We can talk about side effects, but we shouldn't forget the main effect, which is that protection against COVID-19. Okay. 100% you're reducing your chance by 100% by ending up in the ICU. Yes, this is actually the promise that Pfizer is making is that by taking the Pfizer vaccine you have a hundred percent, I think the actual promise was of not having to go to the hospital. So this is a little more of a hedge but this is important because that is

1:38:53 Pfizer's slogan, although it's not in their disclosure form or anything. There's no promise that says you take the in fact quite the opposite the shot says no You know, here's all the shit that could happen to you. And by the way, the emergency use authorization is not legal under 18 years of age, you know, they're pushing that too, but we're going back to the beginning now I've been tracking Pfizer in the money and Pfizer is a huge advertiser. They have incredible budgets. They shifted a little bit from the Viagra over to the COVID vaccine.

1:39:34 They've done a very good job in my opinion of discrediting first AstraZeneca because every vaccine has problems. People are dying from the Pfizer vaccine as well, but the one that's getting highlighted is 30 cases of blood clot. And so, whoops, AstraZeneca, you're off the radar. Then they go after Johnson & Johnson. Oh man, the guy's skin burned off. Oh look, here's the pic, they're showing it on the news, Mo. They're showing that, and that's, the news does not do anti-pharmaceutical pieces. That's biting the hand that feeds you. But that's the old platform, right? Those are the vaccine vaccines. Right, well, exactly. And then they ran another story, oh and they messed it up and they mixed the wrong batch for 50 million doses, so they're now off the list. But Tyler Perry, so when he says, the question, hey why should it matter? But okay, Gail says, which one did you get?

1:40:29 And he says, well, I got the Pfizer and you know, and blah, blah, blah, a little bit of pain in the arm. And, but that's okay. I took an Advil. Hello. That was the giveaway. Advil is a Pfizer product. This is a Pfizer commercial. See, this is why I love doing this show. Pfizer commercial. So this is a native ad. This whole thing is a native ad. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Hey, you're a great market to tap into. I didn't mean I didn't I didn't look at that angle. I just looked at it. They're trying to push the vaccine of course well when you say that I've heard croppings up of Gene editing itself or using crisper these crisper. Yeah, well well put her in your goggles slow slow down. No, I'm sorry. Whoops

1:41:13 No, no, no. We're getting there. But what I'm saying is that's a trillion dollar industry or can be if you normalize it. And it's a lot of people that this is a make a break. If people accept gene editing that this RNA does, then they'll be more accepting of, you know, well, we saved your life. Now, why don't you just use it to fix, be proactive in fixing your health? Oh, I'm just gonna say that. The whole idea is customized mRNA treatment, whether it's vaccine or otherwise, tailored to you and you know we got everybody comfortable with 23andMe, how you deliver your DNA and we got everyone comfortable with the concept of oh you have this gene that means you might smell your pee after you eat asparagus.

1:42:03 Oh, fascinating. That's interesting. You have this gene, you might suffer from flatulence. And I'm not kidding. These are the types of reports people are getting. So they're now realizing that, ah, so if you can message my DNA with your messenger RNA, then maybe I won't be farting all the time. And so this is the tailor-made stuff that they want to get down to. Well, what it does is open up the market for a pharmaceutical company to sell to healthy people. Oh big time! So you say you change, you change, you change, instead of we wow we gotta get you sick with bad food and all this other healthy foods now we can just go straight to the healthy people. Ten years ago, actually it was a little bit longer, 2008

1:42:43 There was a big conference. It was, I think, Goldman Sachs, maybe JP Morgan. It was a medical conference and the internet was kind of getting faster at that point. So I read all the documents and all the presentations and they put up all the PowerPoints and it was purely financial stuff. You know, what's the marketplace going to be like? What's the future? What do you have in the pipeline? It was all vaccines and they literally said, gosh, I got to look, I guess I'm going to find those papers again. They said, It's great because we're giving medication to healthy people and they're gladly accepting it and you know this is the future and for a little while there it kind of got a little confused with the Obama, because Obama came in in 2008, but we were tracking on NOAA-GENOA, we were tracking a vaccine that would so you wouldn't get addicted to cocaine, a vaccine that could get so you wouldn't be addicted to smoking cigarettes. Wait, wait, wait, wait, isn't that what Demi Lovato was taking?

1:43:41 Or is that something different? I haven't kept up with Demi. Goddamn fan want to catch you flat footed. And I am a Demi Lovato fan, but I haven't kept up with her treatments. Well, the meme is that she takes a shot so she doesn't get high or want to get high. So I don't know if that's a prophylactic or if it's a vaccine. I don't want to go down a rabbit hole, but I just want to throw that out there. They're pushing that. There's a shot that you can get to. The way they were pushing this, and it never, as far as I know, it didn't get through any trials or anything. I don't know if they trialed it at all, but it was kind of the promise was, you know, along with your MMR jab, your kid gets, you know, anti-coke vax, and they'll never want to try cocaine.

1:44:25 Now, how that's a vaccine and you create antibodies against a will in your brain to go do something, I don't know. But maybe they can, maybe they're working on that. Maybe that's possible that you can switch that part of someone's brain off. Well, I might have an answer to your question, but let's, let's, I might, I truly might have an answer to your question later on this show. But let's talk about the one celebrity nobody's talking about that possibly could be a victim to vaccines. Tributes are pouring in for the groundbreaking Emmy and Tony award-winning actress, Cicely Tyson. She died yesterday at the age of 96. She was known for captivating audiences on stage. Born in 1924 in Harlem, she grew up in poverty. The daughter of Caribbean immigrants, and when she pursued her dreams, her mother kicked her out of the house.

1:45:16 She quickly proved her talent becoming one of the first black actors in a reoccurring role on the television hit show NBC's East Side West Side and the first black actor to win an Emmy for Best Actress in a Drama. She was later awarded the Medal of Freedom. Tyson's close friend, Atlanta's own Tyler Perry posted an emotional tribute yesterday for his longtime friend. He wrote on Instagram, she was the grandmother I never had. and the wisdom tree that I could always sit under to fill up my cup. She called me son. Well, today your son grieves your loss and will miss our long talks, your laughter from your belly and your very presence.

1:45:52 They were so close that Perry even dedicated a soundstage at his Atlanta studio after her. At the grand opening, I spoke with her about what she thought about this honor. To describe what something like that means to me, and particularly by a black man, and only Tyler Perry could do what he's done for all of us this evening. Man, you know, I really don't know much about Cicely Tyson. Obviously, I've seen some of her work, but I really don't know much about her. I want to bring up this point that her and Tyler Perry being so close, did she get the vaccine? Because nobody's talking about how she died. No, I'm just saying, she just died. There was no big honor. There was no big hubba-baloo about, you know, her passing. Because I'm going to tell you,

1:46:51 Cicely Tyson is a icon and she kind of breaks the narrative of... Excuse me, thank you. I'm going to stop you right there. Excuse me, thank you very much. From what I know about her, which is limited, She deserves a big live party like Aretha or Whitney or all you know big church things some gospel on a Saturday live on CNN everywhere which we did by the way during COVID for who was it that died during COVID? Moe, come on. George Floyd. No, I'm just saying, I mean, they gave you five funerals and you can't have one for Cecily Tyson with them in that kind of magazine? Good enough. Good enough for me. Absolutely. Absolutely.

1:47:35 But they swept this one under the rug. It's like, nobody talks about Sicily. And I'm just saying, did, I want to know, did she get the vaccine? And I find it just weird. We saw what they did with Hank Aaron. We saw what they did with Hagler. We saw that, I mean, all these people that, you know, got it and passed away, they kind of was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't, that vaccine didn't kill them. I mean, they came out right away and said it, but with this

1:48:18 And this puts that narrative to rest of non-A-DOS characters playing A-DOS characters. She did it so well, and it's a way you can do that. This is before there was a divide in her era, where it was like, we're all black. And there was no delineation going. But I'm just want to say that I'm just going to lay that question out there. Did she get the vaccine? And nobody's talking about this. Well, we are as we always do. But I just said this tribute to her because nobody's talking to her about her and her passing. And this is maybe a lesser known movie. This is the Women of Brewster Place. And this is one of my favorite scenes

1:49:04 And this is why when you take, when the veil is lifted. I can't watch this movie anymore because this was a huge piece of propaganda. Was this not Whoopi Goldberg in this as well? No, no, no. I think this had Oprah. Oprah was in it. Yes. Okay, yes, I do remember. Hello! But this came in the... this must have been in the 90s probably. It was late, I think... I want to say early 80s. Oh really? Because I remember seeing it on television and this thing was pushing abortion and I remember the the name the women of Brewster place I don't think I've ever watched any of it ever ever Go go back in I suggest anybody go back. We need we need a watch list mo We need a book list we had a watch list. We all kinds of lists for people to actually I'm gonna do

1:49:57 Maybe something on this this this whole piece because it needs to it needs to have that Say this this clip is a little long, but it's it's very Poignant and potent. So let's just get into women of Bruce place You'll just never understand. Will you understand what baby that my place is here with my people Melanie, what help could you possibly be to these people while you're living hand to mouth on a file clerk's check? At least I'm here in day-to-day contact with my people instead of being like you and Daddy and sitting over in Linden Hills with the terminal case of middle-class amnesia. You don't have to live in the slums to care, Melanie. You don't have to try to be something you're not. Oh, God, I can't stand this.

1:50:52 To be something I'm not? Trying to be proud of my African heritage? Being something I'm not, then fine! I'd rather be dead than be like you. A stuck-up nigger who's ashamed of being black. Whoa. My grandmother was a full-blooded Iroquois. My grandfather was a black from a long line of journeymen who lived in Connecticut since the establishment of the colonies.

1:51:33 My father was a Pagan Who came to this country a cabin boy and a merchant marina. I know all of that mama I am alive because of the blood of people who never screamed or begged or Apologized for what they were. They asked only one thing of this world to be allowed to And I learned through the blood of this people that black isn't beautiful. It isn't ugly. It isn't kinky hair. It isn't straight hair. Black is just. It broke my heart when you changed your name. I gave you my grandmother's name, a woman who bore nine children and educated them all.

1:52:48 who held off six white men with a shotgun when they tried to drag one of her sons off to jail for not knowing his place. And you had to reach into an African dictionary to find a name that would make you proud. Whoa. Damn. Great scene. Great scene. Very, like I said, it was something you would think it was made today. Incredible. Incredible. So I suggest people go out and watch that show. You're gonna find trigger in some ways, but Oprah has been around a lot of propaganda from I mean from her earliest the beginnings this being one of them color purple being one of them and and and one I got when I got up my sleeves and I'm gonna come back around with no on a later show I didn't even know of and I was like I finally sat down I had a chance to sit down and watch it and I was like wow they're pushing something that we covered in the show but

1:53:51 Speaking of the show, I think we need to thank the producers that made this show possible. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. That's right. You're hearing two free American men speaking and we're doing it decentralized and uncancellable here on the podcast. Value for value is how we do it. Uncancellable means you also don't want to have any opportunity for censorship so there's no corporate money, no advertising, just purely

1:52:48 who held off six white men with a shotgun when they tried to drag one of her sons off to jail for not knowing his place. And you had to reach into an African dictionary to find a name that would make you proud. Whoa. Damn. Great scene. Great scene. Very, like I said, it was something you would think it was made today. Incredible. Incredible. So I suggest people go out and watch that show. You're gonna find trigger in some ways, but Oprah has been around a lot of propaganda from I mean from her earliest the beginnings this being one of them color purple being one of them and and and one I got when I got up my sleeves and I'm gonna come back around with no on a later show I didn't even know of and I was like I finally sat down I had a chance to sit down and watch it and I was like wow they're pushing something that we covered in the show but

1:53:51 Speaking of the show, I think we need to thank the producers that made this show possible. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. That's right. You're hearing two free American men speaking and we're doing it decentralized and uncancellable here on the podcast. Value for value is how we do it. Uncancellable means you also don't want to have any opportunity for censorship so there's no corporate money, no advertising, just purely

1:54:41 Produced by, for and with you, the people who are hearing this right now. And we're going all in on the value for value if you haven't already. Check out the show notes. We have four apps now that you can choose from to boost us, maybe even boost us while we do the thank you segment. And it's the the breeze app, the Sphinx app, Podfriend, which is real easy to start off with. And if you like a Chrome extension pod station. And we also still will accept gladly your Kuck bucks through the PayPal. We have and the cash app. Yeah, oh yeah. No, Mo, I'm on a mission here. I'm talking the millennial speak. We're trying to make it happen because we need uncancellable money as well. Because one of these days someone's not going to like a conversation like Mo and I are having. Well, there's 61 that's pushing the limits. I'm going to tell you that now. It's getting there.

1:55:33 And so we count on you returning value for what you're getting out of the show. And you can do it in any way as long as you're making something that's meaningful to you. And recently I've been contributing value and streaming, value for value to podcasts. I have to be honest, it makes you feel better. There's something about it that makes it makes you feel even better listening to it knowing that it's being valued in real time. But even delayed time is good and we got the big baller boost of the day. Jackie Green checks in with $350 and really appreciate that.

1:56:15 Jackie says episode 60 was amazing you guys rock. Thanks for all the mind-bending your value is truly immeasurable Well, it was you put a price on and we appreciate it and that feels good for us and we do have Well, let's be clear cuz I know some some people might be I may have shouldn't got big baller this week or that week The reason what we did was this this show Donation list is from the original date. We tried to record so We didn't want to knock Jackie off the top of their big baller status by doing the new date, but we were sure, we're pretty confident that we personally... Yes, we break for big ballers. Don't worry, we got you covered. That's what you're saying? We got you covered. Yes, fully covered.

1:57:05 We say thank you to Philip Ballou, $313.33, magic numbers playing up, as a white father in a mixed-race family. I've appreciated all of your episodes. They are challenging, eye-opening, and at the same time a relief to hear as they indicate that all is not lost and there are others who are willing to take off the soft shackles of low expectations and acceptance of the status quo. Wow, that's a very nice note, man. Here's to many more episodes and getting the truth out. Please de-deadbeat me. Oh, you got that. We're happy to do that. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. And Phillip winds up by saying, check out the Freakonomics podcast recently on Charles Blow's new book. OK, have you done that? I have it downloaded but not listening yet. I'm sure there's some clippable material in there with Mr. Charles Blow. Excellent. He's a quite interesting character.

1:58:00 Another executive producer here for episode number 61. I should have mentioned that, that we'd love to thank the higher numbers of value with like Hollywood credits. It's fun. They're just as valid. You can use them anywhere and you deserve to because you've done something really beautiful here. Colin Preston, $200 says, no jingles, no karma, no note, just gratitude. Thank you, Colin. We're very happy as well and thankful. Christopher DeBase, Debias? Debias? Debias? Hmm, what do you think it is? Christopher, are you sure that's... would that be an L maybe? Deblas? I think that's an I. Debias? Debias? Hmm. We need a pronunciation guide next time, Christopher. And thank you for your $200, Christopher says. Thank you for the informative and entertaining show. I feel like I learned something new and better.

1:58:51 appreciate some of the cultural differences that help to make each of us unique and interesting individuals. Yeah, hello, it's what makes the world beautiful. Keep doing the work and God bless you and your families. Thank you. And they did put doing the work in quotes. We got you. In bips, pips. Gretchen Wittig, $200. Oh, this is Dame G Money, of course, Dame G Money. Donating on behalf of my gorgeous, sexy, dreamy, brilliant James in honor of his 50th birthday on March 27th, which would have been right around showtime, so we're sorry we missed that, but belated happy birthdays to the brilliant and dreamy James. He can't get enough of your pod. Oops, violation. Podfather violation.

1:59:37 You have to say podcast. A pod is just icky. Please give James a biscuit for his birthday and a heavy dose of Mo Karma. Love you mean it says Dame G Money. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. You've got Mo Karma. Buddy Arsenault $107.59. Where's Buddy from? Is Buddy from Candinavia perhaps? It could be that or New Orleans because you know they have a lot of those. I was looking at the number. I was looking at the number. I'm trying to decode the 107.59. I was wondering if that was a currency conversion or if there's some code. I mean there's always... Maybe 110 and they took some taxes.

2:00:31 I'll go back and check and if you get the full 110 credit, but if not, please provide us that meaning behind it. Give us the secret decoder ring, buddy. I like that. First time donating. Love the content, what you guys are doing. Please de-deadbeat me. Of course, welcome to the family. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. David Rohl is our next executive producer. $100. Mo, have you read Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell? I have not read the whole thing, but I have listened to segments of the audio book. He says, I reread it with the Mo Fax goggles on. Mr. Sowell's book was factual, but your context provided a phenomenal social lens.

2:01:16 Talk about mess. That's another person that doesn't get their spec do just because what we spoke about about her me Yeah, yeah, yeah, your political leanings. You just you're canceled even though you have he brilliant. I mean his friggin Resume is ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah $100 from Rhianne Fernie Rhianne now Let me see. Does she want me to say... I'm not quite sure what she wants me to read here. I wasn't sure either, but I would say she upgraded her donation to a C-note and we understand what happened there. So I'll say that. And if you want us to read it, just let us know and we'll actually read it. But we approve. Yeah, we'll gladly follow up. Brianne, thank you very much for your executive producership here of episode number 61. Andy Benz?

2:02:13 $100, Sir Anderbal, love what you two are doing. I like while some of the shows are topical, they all have value beyond whatever events may be currently unfolding. I've been listening on and off since the beginning, but after Trapper's Delight, MoFax became one of my top podcasts. I've heard this from more people. The bad news is that I've been a deadbeat so could I get a de-deadbeating and a dose of MoCarma please? Thanks for all you do and we're happy to do that, Sir Anderbal. Congratulations, you're no longer a deadbeat. You've got MoCarma. Our first associate executive producer is Colin who writes in for with $72 and 33 cents We see the magic number. Dear Mo and Adam first and foremost. I must be D deadbeat it. Okay, it's not waste a time You're no longer a deadbeat What a time we live in he says Mo your knowledge and insight is greatly appreciated and Adam your humility and worthy input is true example for all of us and

2:03:16 Moe, I always come away from your podcast with more love from my fellow man through understanding. Right on. Understanding is another word for love. The transmutation of thinking from the head to knowing from the heart is in need now more than ever in this world of induced chaos and confusion. I like the example of coincidences via the analogy of a bird that flies through a window and lands on the table. This must be a mere coincidence, but soon enough another bird does the same and then another. How many birds does it take before we finally see these events are not random coincidence? Over the years the birds needed for me have become less and less to glimpse behind the curtain of an illusion. Birds also symbolize spiritual messengers. The words of the Kabbalion ring true. Chance is but a name for a law not recognized." That's deep.

2:04:09 Here's to the seekers and to my best friend and beautiful wife Casey. Thank you for your love and support. I love you. Mr. Curry is it possible to get a WTC 7 won't go away an original woosah. Thank you for all you do love and light Stuxnet 1984 I'd forgotten about Wow, that's an old reference Stuxnet 84 Moe your music is outstanding by the way Hey, that's nice. I wanted to mention something to you and I mean I could do it after the show but because you know I feel it's my task to help anything I can do for Mo Entertainment Enterprises. There's a guy who used the Value for Value podcast apps to put up tracks that he's done. So people just start listening to his song

2:05:03 And they can stream for whatever amount of time they listen or boost it. And the guy's ecstatic. He's like, I could make this much money in a month on Spotify. Actually, and I said that you in private that you're even for the music industry, you're removing a lot of hurdles with this platform that you're building. Because people don't want to do with the BMI and all this they just want people to appreciate their talent Oh, no, I got to get this guy. I got to get the split in action So if he had any collaborators or musicians in real time, they can split off You know, you know like a digital royalty and bypass all of that stuff exactly because that's that that's what keeps I think that's where the music industry Keeps people down because if you don't give the splits the right way, it's a bunch of you know Misunderstanding so yes

2:05:53 I'm glad you enjoy the music and it's something that is a labor of love just like this show. Oh yeah, well hey everybody, trust me, I'm looking forward to to watching this MoFax Enterprises Entertainment LLC incorporated grow beyond beyond imagination. WTC7 won't go away! Woosa! Woosa! Woosa! Woosa! Woosa! And coming in with a show number donation, Dame Jennifer, $61. Thank you so much for this show. The world gets nuttier, but y'all and Noah Jendar are keeping me sane. Hugs and kisses from Dame Jennifer. I mean, the official voice of the MoFacts with Adam Curry podcast. So we got to put some respect on Dame Jennifer's name. One day people are going to be like, Grandma,

2:06:52 How did they come to call you James Danifor? Also executive, associate executive producer Danny Shadix who says, or Shadix says love the show. Connor Lawrence 5353 Connor says, not sure if you've ever heard of this guy before Mo, but I think you'd appreciate his story and his icon. This is St. Moses the Strong, one of the great desert fathers of the first millennium of Christianity. The video I guess he sent you is a short bio on him and his icon below. It's in the Orthodox Church. Moses is universally praised and is considered the patron saint of African Americans. His story is also quite similar to that of Malcolm's.

2:07:33 I hope you enjoy it. Did you look into this Mo? Yes, I'm teetering on that rabbit hole actually because I'm trying to see what the connection is between him and St. Maurice. So yes, thank you Connor for leading me to the rabbit hole and I just got to take the courage to dive down it. $50 associate executive producer Jenae Irvin, I think it is. J-N-A-E, Jenae Irvin. I've watched the last few YouTube live streams and finally come to my senses and I'm contributing to the cause. I cannot adequately put into words how the podcast has expanded my mind. So Jenae, listen to the show on YouTube.

2:08:13 No, no, no, actually she's talking about the live. Oh, your live stream. Oh, yeah, we gotta talk about we have to talk about it. Um, I've started doing the live streams again, breaking this diving into some of the smaller stories that don't make it to a full episode and don't make it to a pod potluck episode. So basically, I Share a lot of stuff on social media and then I go back and follow it up. So I'm just using social media as right now is like a bookmarker for interesting stories that may not make it here. So I would ask people please follow me on YouTube because that

2:08:54 Once again, we're trying to get away from it, but it's the eyeballs, the mall of eyeballs at the right now. And once we make that leap over to the cooler platforms, we could take more people with us. So please, yes, on YouTube and share to other people. Yeah, we're working on that. We want to give everybody a great experience. Only one that can't be canceled. Well, that's... Actually, just to be honest with you, I'm nervous about this episode. Really? Really? Well, yeah, you're right. It's a vaccine episode. You're right. Yeah, and to be honest, people won't even say that word. But luckily, I have to say, I'm sorry, but it's important I say this. I take zero dollars from YouTube or Google. Zero.

2:09:38 This is the people's platform. This is the producer's platform. So you keep us afloat. I don't take any money from them. I don't know if they run ads on my stuff or not. But the reason why I don't do that is because I don't even get into bed with these people where they can jerk me around as much as people that actually take ad money from them. That's right, and that's why we know J'Nai won't jerk us around. No, J'Nai is going to produce the show and support us. $50. I'll just start over again with J'Nai's note. Please, please. I'm inspired so much. I watched the last few YouTube live streams and finally come to my senses and I'm contributing to the cause. I cannot adequately put into words how the podcast has expanded my mind. I get so much out of each episode, but two of my favorites were number nine, One Drop, and number 22, The Dream Maker.

2:10:28 You know, Junaid, it's the same for me. I look forward to doing this show. I so look forward to it. It's mind-boggling and life-expanding. Jingles, D-Deadbeat and Biscuit on my Birthday for April 9th. Ah, well, good, we're still in time, you bet. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. I'm sorry, what was the... Oh, a deadbeat. Let me do that again. I like it. Please, please. I didn't want to do it the other way around. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Okay, nailed it. There we go. Associate Executive Producer Joshua Marmino. Marmino? Marmino? Marmino, I think, yeah. This donation doesn't begin to pay for the value I've found in your shows, but it's an overdue first step.

2:11:19 You and Adam have armed me with the perspective and information to effectively engage people in meaningful dialogue and to open eyes. Never stop doing what you're doing. All the love." Thank you. Brian Burgess, $50. Absolutely fantastic breakdown of the Meghan Markle drama, guys. Mind blown. Yeah, a lot of people were not expecting that episode to be the way it turned out. Some people are like, oh, really? Meghan Markle? And they took like a minute and they were hooked and they just devoured it. That was a great show. Patting you on your back. It was fun making it and like I said, I always try to do something that's unexpected because nobody wants to hear a rehash of clips you already heard on social media. No, exactly. That's the approach I always try to take. But it was a good reminder for people that this is not your typical podcast.

2:12:12 Exactly. And there's a end of show mixer over from No Agenda, Tom Starkweather from New York City. As an associate executive producer was $50. Adam M.O., I avoided the royal news, but I'm glad I waited to experience it through your insightful analysis. There you go. Your shows remind me of how I felt in the best philosophy classes I had in college. The approach isn't academic, but it's full of stunning revelations. Thank you, Tom. Tom, thank you. Much appreciated. Love that. Christopher Heck, $50, no note, but of course an associate executive producership. And we're going to stop there. We'll thank the rest of our producers in the second donation segment. Value for value is, as Mo just eloquently explained, is the only way that we can keep this going and keep it moving.

2:13:03 I personally want to build this out into something big and get Mo on his true mission in life, which he's getting pretty close to. I'm very excited about that. So please consider us by going to mofax.com. You can go straight to our donation page, mofundme.com, M-O-F-U-N-D-M-E.com. Or if you're listening on one of those new apps, go ahead, boost us right now. And thank you for producing episode 61 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Alright, so now we're coming out of the donation segment and we gotta get back to Tyler Perry's special one. Tell me, like I'm a five year old, what is epidemiology? So epidemiology is the science of understanding disease transmission and disease dynamics in a population.

2:13:49 So you could be an epidemiologist in cancer, an epidemiologist in diabetes. I do it in infectious disease, which is really trying to understand how infections happen in a community and what most importantly what we can do to prevent those infections from happening. And Dr. Kimberly Manning. Hi. Tell us about you and what you do. So I'm a professor of medicine. I'm based at Grady, been there 20 years. and I'm the Associate Vice Chair for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion in the Department of Medicine at Emory at Grady. And I spend a lot of time with medical students, residents, trainees, and I take care of patients at Grady Hospital and the clinics and on the hospital service. And being a black person here, just a black woman in particular, you understand, as do I, the hesitation for black people to take this vaccine. Absolutely. I mean, I have a unique background in that

2:14:40 I'm a graduate of Tuskegee University and so I was born and raised on not only the excellence of the institution but that story of what happened in Macon County, Alabama. Science is real. Well history is real too. And so I've really been trying to work hard to keep the dialogue open to respect people's concerns and not just shut them down and make it seem like they're silly or invalid. Wow, you set me up with that Grady business didn't you? Okay. I did not. I did not. But you can see she was the pivot away from Dr. Kizzee. Of course. You can't bring Dr. Kizzee in so like who can we get?

2:15:20 And she's perfect for the job. She's been at Grady. She has the credentials. She answered, a bonus is that she did some of her collegiate work at Tuskegee. So it's like, hey, people calm down. I know about Tuskegee. So you say, I know your pain. Right? So that's why they brought her in. And I have to say that she's a stroller. She is known for Delta Sigma Theta sorority partners with DeKalb Board of Health to deliver second dose of COVID vaccines. So she's all in on the vaccines and she is Boulay connected. So I'll just say that, but I think this next clip you have the time on it's a little long, but I think it's maybe about 40 and some change. I just want to prepare people. Oh yeah. Yes, I do have that one. Hold on a second.

2:16:12 Is that the next one? That's the next one, right? That's the subtle one that you're telling me to have ready? Yes. 147. Okay, let's see. Let's just go ahead and go on to 27 then. There are all these conspiracy theories out there about everything. So for COVID, I'm hearing bats. It's probably bats. Bats are big carriers of all sorts of virus. Yeah. And probably a bat somehow infected a human and the virus started to adapt to be more likely to transmit from human to human. But again, what this reminds us is that this, you know, pandemics, people say HIV probably came, most of the evidence suggests that monkeys, monkeys, right? So a lot of these diseases are us in the environment we live in, whether it's flu or whether it's COVID, there are virus that we call zoonotic, which means they infect animals and humans, call, maybe we talked about this at some point,

2:17:04 It's very, very similar to the virus that we had and that's how pandemic starts. So with that said, there will be other pandemics as we live on this planet. Undoubtedly. So what they did was they addressed the origin without addressing it. Of course. Yeah, of course. Because he didn't mention what the conspiracy theory was, but there's conspiracy theories out there which We know where the suspected source is and we kind of spoke about it with the UNC and the transfer in the last Wuhan. But they shot it down like that's strictly a conspiracy and it's 100% the bats, right? Well, that's not what the ex-CDC boss is saying. Yeah, this was great. I love this. And if it's what I think it is, does it include the spooky music? I'm not sure, but let's listen.

2:17:59 Yeah, it does. So Dr. Robert Redfield, the former CDC director, is speaking out for the first time, saying publicly where he believes the coronavirus that caused the pandemic came from. These extraordinary comments come in a new interview for a CNN documentary airing this weekend. Dr. Sanjay Gupta joins us now. And Sanjay, Dr. Redfield says he's giving his opinion, but I have to say, I think you're about to break some pretty significant news here. Yeah, I mean this was this was extraordinary John for certain he is the former CDC director He's spent his entire career as a virologist I interviewed all six of these doctors sort of in the form of an autopsy really to sort of meticulously dissect Exactly what had happened here really no no pre agenda Dr. Redfield when we sat down to talk he wanted to start at the beginning the origins of this virus what he believed actually transpired take a listen

2:19:01 If I was to guess, this virus started transmitting somewhere in September, October in Wuhan. September, October. That's my own view. It's an only opinion. I'm allowed to have opinions now. You know, I am of the point of view that I still think the most likely etiology of this pathogen in Wuhan was from a laboratory. You know escaped other people don't believe that that's fine science will eventually figure it out It's not unusual for respiratory pathogens that are being worked on a laboratory to infect the laboratory worker This was this was this was before the who slash

2:19:40 Chinese Communist Party were due to come out with their report which you know obviously it couldn't ever have been from a lab whatever you think it is don't look at that lab over there. It was really odd because this guy was all in with pharma with Fauci and for him to come out I still don't think I've really figured out why he was countering the whole narrative. Well, I think Tyler Perry said, according to the CDC, it's bats. So I'm thinking if he's the ex-boss, he's like, I'm getting out for another of these things and say, let me put it out there in the ether that I'm not completely sold on the bats. That way when the backlash happens, he can always- Right, but for him- Well, exactly. For him to do that, it made me think that the backlash may be coming sooner than we realize.

2:20:31 Yes, I think so. That was risky, man. That's a risky thing to do if he's like blowing up the narrative that you might want to avoid any Cessnas. You know, don't fly small aircraft for a while. And this is where this literally, literally hits home with me because they have these labs at UNC or had these labs at UNC, which like I said, that's Chapel Hill. I grew up in Durham, which is maybe like eight to 10 miles away. Yeah, right. I read the article about the escapes from the lab and they didn't stop the patient, I mean the lab worker, they just let her continue on with her ordinary life. What's to say you can't have this happen in North Carolina be the ground zero? At UNC or any other university in the United States. But this is why this specifically hits close to home for me because it's

2:21:27 Who's to say they didn't have leaks before I'm just saying it just I find it very troubling and to just say oh It's bats and nobody really bought that bat bullcrap You know for Dietrich is is also where it's not near you man. I can't get away from this crap. I mean That's Maryland right for Detroit right right right? That's a you know that's actually been implicated in in I think twice these types of things including a coronavirus. And then Atlanta there was this black doctor that came for and had made some claims about the CDC and then he just disappeared. So this was a while back maybe four or five years ago. So it's just.

2:22:10 Nobody these kind of things they need to know we need to know where they're working on a man and these kind of things need to be put out in the middle of nowhere next to area 54. Yeah, I mean Jesus I mean, why would you do it near such populated areas, but you know, I digress Let's get back to black community too. Boy, Tyler Perry joins us first on CBS this morning to discuss. Good to see you Mr. Perry. Let's get started. So much to talk to you about. Were you reluctant to take the vaccine yourself before the doctors at Grady Health System approached you? Well, when Dr. Del Rio and Kimberly, when Dr. Manning, when they called up and asked if I would take it to encourage the community, I thought I would do that. But you've got to answer all my questions. And I thought, well, while you answer my question, why don't we record it? So you can answer questions for a lot of people in the community. So yeah, I was skeptical because if you look at our history in this country with the Tuskegee experiment,

2:23:03 Henrietta Lacks and things like that. It raises flags for us as African American people. So I understand why there's a healthy skepticism about the vaccine. I understand why they reached out to you. I know you're certainly younger than 65, but they thought if Tyler Perry gets it, it'll send a strong message. There you go. Pitchman. Big time. They said it right there. Well, I know. I know where they reached out to you and who reached out to him. Did Pfizer reach out to him? Yeah, that's what it seems like to me. And another tale that he says, he calls, I think, the male doctor, Dr. Del Rio, I think his name, but then he says Kimberly. So, and then he said, oh, Dr. Manning. It's always when they let these first names slip. Interesting. Yeah.

2:23:53 How does that work? But I mean, they just laid it right out there. It's like we need to reach your target demographic, the believer, the black believer. There is some, I'm not saying exclusively black, but Tyler Perry has a large believer following of all colors and then he has a large black following. It's dwindling now, but it's a black following that's believer and non-believer. So I'm just saying, they knew why they reached out to him. It's just that, Oh, well, let's just reach out to Tyler. But I say that. I mean, it's just and when you when you say the fighter thing and he's dropping. Those guys spend billions of dollars and collectively.

2:24:40 And we could look at what Pfizer's budget is, but it's just turn on the TV. Just turn on the TV and look at it. You just count the ads. It's all pharmaceutical. So there's so much money. Who knows how deep this goes? And by the way, Tyler Perry, he's probably, well, considering I got to learn about Medea, but he may have some pureness of heart and may think I'm really helping people and you know Pfizer paying me, it's my time and my people to do stuff. It's a win-win. Yeah, it's kind of a win-win. So I don't want to say he's necessarily an evil guy, but that's what money does. It corrupts you and corrupts your thinking.

2:25:18 Right, and I'm not saying that he got even as we said he lost people close to him one being his hairdresser So I mean if you're emotional and you know, these companies could come come on Tyler I mean, yeah, I mean just sit down and talk to our doctors and you know, we'll explain what's going on so if you're not but he acknowledges his skepticism, so he That's why I can't completely let him off the hook. He understands the psychology and the skepticism of black people. But at the same time, it's like, I don't think he came into this, and this is where I push back against Tyler. He didn't come into this like present your case, I'll be unbiased and then I'll make a decision. Yeah, your name. He came into it well,

2:26:07 We got to get these people shot. You present your case to me and I'm going to go along with it. That's how I take it. And it's not fair. If he was not convinced when he said so, I don't think so. And that's why I find him disingenuous. But let's continue on to see why they picked him. I understand why they reached out to you. I know you're certainly younger than 65, but they thought if Tyler Perry gets it, it'll send a strong message. What questions did you have for the doctors? I'm curious. Give me your top two. What did you want to know from them? Well, I wanted to understand the technology. I mean, we talked about everything from the Spanish flu of 1918 to what is happening now to where it came from. But I think my top question was understanding mRNA technology. And Dr. Kimberly Manning and Dr. Del Rio did an amazing job at explaining that and how this new technology has helped to come up with the vaccine so quickly. Because when I heard things like warp speed, I was really concerned because I

2:27:05 This last administration and all the pressure they were putting on the CDC and FDA I don't know I didn't really feel like I could trust it But once I got all the information found out the researchers, I was very very happy This is where I call BS now this This is the point where I decide when I heard this news clip I was on the fence about doing a show about this I wasn't gonna do a show on the vaccine, but this is why I chose him He says warp speed. What he's saying is, I didn't trust Donald Trump. Is what he's saying. Right, right. But I do trust warp speed. Good point. Good catch. No, no. He said he didn't trust it because of warp speed. Oh, wait a minute. Is it coming again? Wait, did I miss something? Listen to the last maybe 30 seconds of it. You'll catch it. Yeah. Definitely want to make sure I get that right. Vaccines so quickly because when I heard things like warp speed, I was really concerned because I think

2:27:57 This last administration and all the pressure they were putting on the CDC. I don't know. I didn't really feel like I could trust it. But once I got all the information, found out the researchers, I was very, very happy. Okay. Donald Trump being involved doesn't change the science. And this is the weird thing I'm hearing. And this is where I get frustrated with my community. None of the science changed. from Trump going out and Biden coming in. But now all of a sudden it's like, oh, it's Biden's vaccine. Oh yeah, I'll take it. Right. I'm not gonna say that. But what, how does that work? The same science, the same technology, no use using the word technology and that

2:28:44 he's not using science, he's using the word technology. But to say, oh well, I looked into it and Trump had nothing to do with it, and this is sound science, so go ahead and take it. That's what he's saying, and I'm like, nothing changed from the warp speed. And Donald Trump is not the originator of warp speed, but This next clip lets us know who is. And so, you know, we should be able to use that for very low cost point of care precision diagnostics. We should be able to use that for therapeutics and we should gain understandings of how to do vaccines, even vaccines that the turnaround time instead of being the typical three or four years, literally at some point we'd be able to create in months.

2:29:44 And we want to use these tools not just for orphan diseases or not just for diseases in rich countries, but also for the diseases that predominantly afflict people in the countries where most of humanity lives in, the middle income and the low income countries. It was eight years ago that CRISPR came along and continues to evolve in some pretty fantastic ways, including the accuracy of the editing. Today, over 89% of genetic variants that we know are associated with human disease can be corrected. That is, if you get in to the cells of interest, you can make those corrections. Wow, you know what's great about that clip, Mo? What's that? He uses the term variants.

2:30:37 Mm-hmm. Which and this was, oh I gotta steal this clip right away. The Satan variant? Well no, when we first started hearing about what always to my knowledge has been called a strain, oh it's a different strain. Even in the disaster movies it's a mutant strain, it's a strain of this, it's oh it's a shoot offshoot strain. But almost from the get-go they started calling this variant. And I know because it was odd, like why are you calling it that? Now this relates directly to CRISPR? Are you kidding me?

2:31:16 I say this in jest, but maybe they don't want to use strain because big weed is not for it. They're like, hey, you can't use the word strain. I mean, yeah. No, I'm just saying, I know I'm just being, it's that say that in jest, but yeah, that's your warp speed right there. That's your origin of warp speed. So if you don't trust anybody with these vaccines should be years and now we got down to months. Yeah, well that's that's yeah, I guess that's been my general thinking but it really solidified We're hearing a lot of good things in these clips. It really solidifies it when he's to uses the trick is Bill Gates He's a technical guy. He'll use a technical term that is relevant to the CRISPR technology If anyone's looking for it's in the show notes, but it's CRI SPR No, we're gonna go deeper and crisper Yeah, we're going deeper I'm glad I brought a sandwich

2:32:13 So he says it's world's poorest countries that they're trying to help. But the question is popped up and even posed to him, does saving more lives lead to overpopulation? In this year's annual letter, Melinda and I take the toughest questions we get asked and give our answers. One that's come up for a long time is, as we make the world healthier, is the population going to get so big that feeding everybody and maintaining the environment is going to be impossible. Here we can see a chart that looks at the total

2:32:59 world population over the last several hundred years. And at first glance, this is a bit scary. We go from less than a billion in 1800 and then three, four, five, six, and 7.4 billion where we are today is happening even faster. So Melinda and I wondered whether providing new medicines and keeping children alive, would that create more of a population problem? Yeah, this is one of my favorite ones with him. You heard this? Well, I've heard him do this several times. Well, the people have it, so let's go ahead and get the answers to his own question, part two. So Melinda and I wondered whether providing new medicines and keeping children alive, would that create more of a population problem? What we found out is that as health improves, families choose to have less children.

2:33:59 And this effect is very, very dramatic. We find that in every country of the world, this is repeated. The population growth goes down as we improve health. So we've taken that chart that shows the global population growth and we've actually extended it out all the way to 2100. And we can see that instead of continuing, it actually flattens out. Another way to see that is through this rate of population growth. And you can see that in the 60s, that reached a pretty high number, over 2% per year, and it's now come way, way down.

2:34:41 Now, a lot of billion people still a lot, but the good news is that the faster we improve health, the faster family size goes down. And so we can feel great about saving those lives. What's that last statement? He said, as health goes up, family size go down. Yeah. And we can feel good about that. And he did that stupid little laugh that he does when he says something sinister. Whenever the devil comes out, yes. So I've heard him say this in many different versions, but the basic concept is if we vaccinate people consistently for enough time and specifically, now he says it's the same in every country, so just put that to the side, but let's just say poor countries in Africa.

2:35:40 But also other places in East Asia. Brown people. Melanated people. Black and brown people. I'm sorry. They just say melanated people. No, no, it's the black and brown community. Okay? Yes. Now the black, and I think that is important actually in this case. So the theory they work on is as people's overall health improves because there's less early death and child death because of the vaccinations eradicating certain types of illnesses that families will then feel more confident and will not be making massive, we forget religion or other things or culture but apparently according to Bill and Melinda

2:36:23 the families will then see, oh you know, if we have two kids, those two kids will be successful. I mean anything bad could happen but they're not going to die early. We don't have to be worrying about it while we can still have children. The way I have, after thinking about this for many, many years, to me it seems, so that would mean that population goes down and the bottom line is That's kind of what the global elite, the New World Order, has always wanted. When all this really started to come to the surface, it was around a book called The Population Bomb. And the same people are now involved for many years in what used to be global warming, which is now climate change. So it's just really rebranding of the same thing. They want less people on Earth. Prince Charles himself, I think it was a Charles or Philip,

2:37:16 you know said oh the people are just useless eaters we just need less of them now the way you Turner as well okay yes Turner yeah he's important well Ted Turner and Tyler Perry have relations oh well and you know Ted Turner unfortunately has dementia and he's toast I'm just saying but Tyler Perry got his first big TV deal oh yeah Ted turn TBS and TNT that is An interesting connection. So can I stop you for a second? Because it predates the population bomb. This is the original thinking of the bullet with the talent. The 10th. Let's elevate the top 10% and basically use eugenics to get rid of the undesirables. Oh, this is interesting. Hold on a second. The top 10% all right. Talent 10. That's what the talent 10th is. Yes. The talent what?

2:38:12 Talented 10th. The talented 10th? Yes. With TH? Yes. Okay. All right, try this on for size. ADOS, 13% in America you said? Yes. So what's the absolute number? What's the total number? Approx? I think 30 million. 30 million, okay. Yes. Let's hold that. So, I think we've probably touched on the Georgia Guidestones, et cetera. But the general idea is there really should be no more than 500 million people in the world. I think it's the global population. I'm not sure if that's, but let's just say they significantly want to reduce the population of the United States as well. Now, one way you can, so if you take vaccines as Bill Gates's answer when he does that little evil chuckle laugh,

2:39:04 Yeah, you could believe that I'm not I'm not doing the studies. I'm not looking over his shoulder Yeah, it could be that that's what parents like they feel more comfortable don't have to have that many children population drops overall Okay, or maybe there's poison in the vaccines and a lot of people are dying and we don't know about it There's certainly a lot of horror stories and legal trails to back that up, that a lot of people died from Gates vaccination trials, etc. Long-term effects, accusations of putting AIDS in vaccines. There is proof that that did happen. If it was malicious, we don't know. So let's say now that we have, we're administering a ticking time bomb into our population and this will mean an earlier death for a

2:39:53 a number of people in the United States that would equal whatever we should have at the 500 million scale. So let's say that- Well, if you do 7 billion, 7 billion, 10% of that is what? 700 million. Right, but then how much would be in the United States? Well, 700 million, I don't know- 1.7, 1.7, 1.7. Yeah, 1.7, yeah. Right, okay. So that means it would be 100 million? 100 million? Yeah. Yes, so now let's go back to this interesting group we have in the United States and let's say we'll take the two-thirds number. So now there's 10 million left of the 30 million. The 20 million died off early. 10 million are left. That's 10% of your 100 million. There's your talented tenth. But hold on, the talented tenth that we talked about before is when you break down the 85 to 10 to 5.

2:40:55 which 85 are useless eaters. 5% knows what's going on, what won't take part in the plan. 10% know the plan. I'm saying it differently. What will be left is with the true talented 10th who will be against the new world order and they will be outranked by any... What they want is if we got to have black people die off the same speed as white people, Mo, we can't have you not dying off, then the black people will have power. Hmm. How about that? How about that, huh? I just think they want to do a 90% cut across the board. Well, of course, but if they can't get the 90% out of out of the black and brown community problem.

2:41:36 Of course, that's why they're pushing, yes. But it's really about population. I mean, it's one thing, it's like, oh, we can't sell it to you, we're not making money or whatever. It would be an entirely other thing if, oh my God, the whole world population is in danger because this group won't take it. I don't believe that's true. So the only thing left that I can think of is, we don't want them being in some kind of majority now, do we? No, that's why you opened up the borders to float them out. Oh, so sinister. No, I mean that's the plan. We see what's going on and then when you kick in UBI and say, hey, how are you going to take care of yourself? How can you have kids if you can't take care of yourself? You have UBI, then you have to have birth control.

2:42:22 Hence, the why I do what I do. All right, just I mean this people is where you are. Hit that boost button baby boost, boost for blacks, boost for blacks. Right? So that I mean, that's that's when I said about 85, 10 and five that the 5% knows what's going on. Yeah, but they won't take part in it. And they kind of respect you because you know what's going on. But it's like, come on, anybody gotta go. I mean, you know, They're dumb. And now the question is, has Tyler Perry been fully read in on this? No, I mean that's the whole thing. I mean, because when you say talent, Tim, Boulay, they're operating from the point of the same way a Rockefeller would, that we're strengthening. It's better to have, yeah, it's better to have this power structure. Better humans than more humans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And we happen to be them. Yes, exactly. But that's what Bill Gates just said. He said, as people become smarter, they have less kids.

2:43:25 That is, that was, man you could put that in a racial context easily couldn't you? That's how I hear it. I can't unhear it. I mean, when I hear you talking about because I know how to talent tip work and I know how Planned Parenthood came in before Planned Parenthood, but Margaret Sanger, and it's like, let's get all the smart black people to go north and go to these universities that Rockefeller created. And then whoever's left will go to these poor black people and give them, you know what I'm saying, things that will annihilate them. And then they'll say, well, yeah, I know, but just think, you'll start with this nice 10% and you'll grow smart out of that. That's what the brain drain is doing. The brain drain is bringing all the smart people here from India, China, everywhere else, that lead the poor people there to kill them. I said it. Do you think that, do you think there's something inherent about black Americans

2:44:22 that they fear is that is there some you know like I mean let's just let's just be honest about it Asians have some superpowers Asian Americans have some superpowers you know and it's cultural I'm not saying they have different genetics what is the superpower fuck it I'm sorry I already know you're influencers influence yeah okay that's why that's why LeBron James can't say anything about China because he'll create a civil war in China. Shit you're so right okay thank you yeah it sometimes takes a bit but you would knock it into my brain I'll get there. No what I'm saying is it it frustrates me from the point of how sick it is. Yeah

2:45:01 I understand and this is what we're saying about walk by faith not by sight. If people just calculated, oh well we got people that need to go and you know and it makes sense on numbers. So this people that believe that humans will get better and will be better and humanity will be better. This is where the clash happens between believers and non-believers. Right, so this is where we have to harness the people, we have to harness the influencers to get people away from these systems that are controlled and controlling them and bring them over to our side. Yeah, and I'm going to say this, LeBron... Boy, could we use some of that? Could we use an influencer like LeBron here on the side of freedom?

2:45:42 And I'm going to put LeBron on the council watch, not me counseling him, but this, the overarching entertainment industry, because right now, and I, as I said, it's been 70 clips if I add this part of it, but I'll add it verbally. He is saying, you know how the NBA was the start of COVID? You know, we played that out on the show. But now he's coming back and is like, well, me taking the vaccine is a private decision. Because one thing LeBron knows, he knows the timing of black people. He knows the vibes. He knows the rumblings. And it's like, he can't come out and say, take the vaccine. He gets it. He's a real influence. That's what good influencers do that. They know when the timing is everything. They know. But he knows if he comes out and says, take the vaccine, we put him in the same bucket that we're putting everybody else in. It's like, why?

2:46:32 And he's like trying to walk that razor blade. And they're putting more and more pressure on him. And I can say, I'll probably add that to a potluck clip, but I mean, potluck show, because I find it very interesting. They're leaning on him hard to come out and take it publicly. And all he's saying is saying, hey, I want to make it a private decision whether I take it or not between me and my family. And they're like, no slave, no billion dollar slave. And I don't say that in jest, I say that because that's why they won't say anything about Hong Kong. It's true. Because if he says anything, if LeBron James says, I stand with Hong Kong, it's popping off in China. Yeah, because his influence, it's not about his influence in America, it's about his influence in China. That's what people do. In the world. Well, but China is especially huge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Huge with the NBA there. It's beyond control. Yep.

2:47:27 So I think we left off with 33, what was the last Bill Gates clip? Yeah, we're at 34. Back to Tyler Perry. Let's just go ahead and get in there. Talk to me like I'm a five year old because you're not only talking to me, but you're talking to people of all age ranges. Wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop. I gotta warn people, this is a long clip, but I left it long because I want you to hear. Now you heard Bill Gates explain CRISPR and the technologies and all this. This is how they think they have to talk to black people, 34. Talk to me like I'm a five-year-old because you're not only talking to me, but you're talking to people of all age ranges right now and all economic and social backgrounds. Black people! Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

2:48:18 Let's just replay that again ladies and gentlemen. You will enjoy it the third time. Talk to me like I'm a five-year-old because you're not only talking to me but you're talking to people of all age ranges right now and all economic and social backgrounds and educational backgrounds. And so I think the first thing to know is the difference between DNA and RNA So I like to think of it as DNA is like your blueprint for your house, right? And RNA is like a contractor that kind of gives information about what to do so that the blueprint comes out okay. And so what happened is they mapped out what the virus looks like and found out that there are these specific proteins in the virus, one of which is called a spike protein. And I call it a spike protein, the gangster spike protein, because that little gangster spike protein, that's the one that gets in your cell and makes you sick.

2:49:08 And so this is what the technology did. This is so dope. So what they did was they said, what if we made a vaccine that was just an MRNA coding only for that little gangster spike protein? And what if we could introduce that into your body, right? And then have your body develop an immune response that then remembers and recognizes it when it actually gets the virus, right? And so the way that it works is I kind of like to think of it as your friends and your homies in your neighborhood. So you get this mRNA vaccine, right? It's wrapped up in this little lipid layer that gets it into your cell. Once it gets into your cell, this vaccine, you know, it's the contractor. So it tells the sale, we're going to make these spikes.

2:49:51 You start making the spikes, right? But then your body goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. This is not supposed to be here. Let me call security. Let me call in all my people. And that is your immune response. So you have these cells called macrophages. They come in to swoop up the cell. not before your body sends a message to some of these immune cells like your T cells and your B cells to create that memory so that when you see this virus come after you later, then you know what to do. So I kind of think of it like, you know, when something happens later, you already got the vaccine and you have these antibodies waiting for something to pop off and you got the T cells looking around to see what's happening. Then you get hit with COVID, right?

2:50:34 But the T-cells remember now. They have some memory, right? So they're gonna sit back in the cut and be like, oh, uh-uh, that is not who I think it is. And then the antibody's been waiting for something to pop off, and they're like, oh, uh-uh, no, and they just rush. And that's really what happens. I mean, this is really what happens. And he said explain it to like a five-year-old, which I have no problem with because it's a very complex idea and even I said to you, explain it to me. But five-year-olds easy to use gang terminology and my homies and oh I don't know that's not who I think. Gangster. Gangster, the gangster spike protein, that's what you teach five-year-olds lady. Jeez. That clip speaks for itself. So we ain't got nothing else about that. But that's

2:51:34 Blunt to like a five year old, which is a fair assessment for something complex. Break it down to where everybody can understand it. But you're code switching to speak to the unwashed black people. This is the people that they like you said, that's who they're targeting. It's not, you know, I'm sure they could have put a graphic together and explained it. Like you said, even the Carpenter explanation was great. No, are you darker than this brown paper bag? Right. Well, no, the new darker is like, what education level are you? Right. That's the access now. That's the access. I mean, there used to be a fisk. It was light skin, dark skin. But it was like, well, we got some smart darkies. So we can, let's do it on education level.

2:52:17 No, that's what pisses me off about this. I'm not going to... You know why I'm laughing, right? The ridiculousness of it is just crazy. And this is how they think they need to talk to us. And it's the same thing with strolling to the pole and all this other crap. It's like we have to get to the base form because these people have no understanding and this is how we had to talk to them. And this leads me into my next clip. Even if you don't understand gangster talk, let's pull out the last dis effort, 35. Listen, I just think I know Medea's retired, but if there ever was a time for her to weigh in on this subject, it seems like she would have something to say. I'm getting that damn vaccine. I'm getting that damn vaccine. People believe Medea because Medea always speaks the truth. But let's talk about Tyler Perry because the Oscars are coming up. You are getting the Humanitarian Award. Whoa. Congratulations, Bravo. What does that

2:53:16 means you, Tyler, when you heard you were going to get that. You see the list of people who have received that and now your name is added to the list. I love this. I was completely shocked by that because you know the thing about a gale is just where there's a need and I have the ability I just want to show up. So to see me being honored with the Gene Herschel Humanitarian Award, that's beyond moving. I'm so thankful to the Academy for it. So I can't wait. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Doesn't get any bigger than that. Wow. Wow, wow. Hey Tyler, hey it's Manny here on the coast, your agent. Listen man, listen, the Pfizer guys got back to me. They understand that, you know, it's not just for the money, we get it, but you know what, they're gonna throw in an award for me from the fucking Academy. The Academy Award, Tyler!

2:53:57 And it would have been fine if he just did what he did, but they couldn't let him out without engaging Madea. And you see it just like a boom trigger trigger. It's kind of like when you say tell somebody to say telecomedia, tell a joke or I mean, it's so rude. Oh yeah. It's so rude. It's like rappers and somebody say spit some bars. It's like, man, what? I'm not, I'm not, gonna just rap on command. But as soon as you say, can we hear that one more, can we hear that like the first 30 seconds? I want to hear you listen, and I say when I say white man, but listen to the white man's laughter and joy of just saying, look at him, look at him just go right into code as I tell him to do it.

2:54:38 Listen, I just think I know Medea's retired, but if there ever was a time for Medea to weigh in on this subject, seems like she would have something to say. He already started laughing before it started. I'm getting that damn vaccine. I'm getting that damn vaccine. That's the thing. You know, that reminds me of, um... Martin Lawrence on inside the actor studio. I'm sure you've seen this bit on YouTube where he talks about he was just sick and tired of being Another black man being put in a dress. It was Dave Chappelle. I think told it Dave Chappelle Martin Martin Martin He started off with Sinene. That was a big part of the show and then he came back with, when Tyler Perry really kicked it off with Madea, all the studios, we gotta get a woman in a dress. But it came with Big Mama. Then you had Jamie Foxx, he had Wanda, where he acted, you were saying, played the ghetto one. I mean, it just goes on and on and on. Did Denzel ever do a woman? Denzel? I don't think he ever did a woman. I don't think he ever, I'm not, I don't think so.

2:55:38 But I mean, just saying you hear it. Go ahead. I mean, they couldn't let him now we're talking about a billion dollar entertainment mogul and he still can't avoid Madea. It's like you got to give us Madea. You got you got to tell you got to tell the people go get the vaccine. And he just like, there's no way I would have done it. There's no as a no. This is what I'm gonna call it to this talk, Harry. As an artist, as an artist, you just don't do that. I mean, it's like you don't say to David Copperfield, although people do, hey man, show me a magic trick. Yeah, he knows and he knows the time and everybody else knows the time as well. Yeah, but let's go ahead and get into 36. There's so much research that shows how different black patients are treated from white. I thought it's something different. Well, I'm gonna say this every celebrity is not on board, especially black celebrity with taking this vaccine. So what we have now is Charlamagne responding to this clip or this segment.

2:56:40 And you gotta remember Charlemagne's on the biggest radio platform there is. So for him to say what he's gonna say I gotta give him props for it It's so much research that shows how different black patients are treated from white patients. Yes, you mentioned this Tuskegee experiment But let's not forget profiting off black bodies in the name of the advancement of science word to Henrietta Lacks Oh, it's been too much malpractice done to melanated people for us to just all of a sudden trust y'all in regards to this vaccine I don't care what black person y'all get to take it public I'm surprised they didn't give him help because there's so many essential workers, teachers, hospital employees that can't get the shot. I'm surprised. It's for a good cause. It is. But I mean, it is. This one person is for this to show, yeah, and I think they are trying to make sure that black people don't get left behind when it comes to the vaccine if everyone else is getting it and we're not even wanting to get it. They've never cared about us getting left behind and everything else in every statistical category in America. Maybe Tyler Perry cares. I don't know. But that's why he did it. He wants people to see

2:57:38 And I'm still skeptical about it. So... Not me. My name's on the list. But I was going to just say there's a lot of people who don't want to take it though and a lot of those people are in the black community. They said they need 70% of the population to take it. Well last time I checked white people make up 76.3% of the population. Have at it. Between them and the Cubans that think they're white, they'll be fine. We still bit. Okay. All right. All right. Well that is your rumor report. Wow. I want to say this now remember that I'm just completely anecdotal but I have to say this. Remember they said the study was one in three were skeptical. Now here's three black people and two of the three are skeptical. Right. Now that's completely anecdotal. But I'm just saying for them to say it because they could have easily said well you know I'll take it when my name comes up on the list you know that kind of thing. But they said no well I feel skeptical. So I'll say this Charlamagne

2:58:35 He's he's had his eye on Tyler Perry for a while and this is why I said Tyler Perry's art or we are content It's been very problematic, especially for black men for a long time now. There was announced I think recently that Tyler Perry's Lionsgate deal was not gonna be renewed. I That was surprising to me because I thought he was making a lot of money for Lionsgate man a lot of money But you know, I don't I've been so off Tyler Perry movies. I don't watch Tyler Perry I mean it's like my dad my idea shit been jumped to shock like it's gonna be a man's only amount of time for this gonna be like my dear goes to Mars

2:59:11 You know, my dear goes to Uganda. I guess this gonna be a my dear goes to all kind of dumb shit for no reason whatsoever. My dear goes to the bottom of the ocean to discover Atlantis. Like, I guess it's gonna be a bunch of dumb ass shit. Like to me, they binge up the show. I got binge off Tyler Perry movies. I always end up getting pissed off at Tyler Perry movies. Temptations, that shit with a, girl was cheating on Lance gross and then she ended up getting beat up by the dude ended up catching AIDS and all that shit and You know, you know he had a hand in for that that's a colored girl shit That she was an African American horror movie man. This patient was an African American horror movie for colored girls African American horror movie I think he had something to do it precious. That was an African American horror movie. I just I don't know man It's just like Tyler Perry

3:00:03 He paints a very negative portrayal of black men. We ain't that bad. Like Jesus Christ, like Ty Perry makes us seem like we ain't shit. And it be the well-off brothers. It be the brothers that be doing something. The brothers be having careers. Like in one movie, the guy was a lawyer. He ended up leaving his wife for another woman. That's the guy that got paralyzed. I think that was Diary of a Mad Black Woman. Wow. That's the one that did it for him. What, um... Diary of a Mad Black Woman. I'll just go over the quick plot of that movie. It was a black man lawyer. He was supposedly dealing with a drug dealer. And I think they shoot him up and he gets paralyzed. But before that, he kicks his wife, black wife out the house, has been with him for many years, drags her down the steps, kicks her out, right? And then he moves in his white or white-like mistress.

3:00:57 And yeah, and Madea comes in and she helps, you know what I'm saying? She helps the black woman get back on her feet and acts like a mentor towards her. And this kicks off Tyler Perry's career. This is how he came into the industry. And it was like, you know, at first I was like, that's a bad look. But you know, I mean, it might be God's out like that. And like Charlamagne said, movie after movie after movie the black man and the decent black man plays the villain in every daggone movie. Okay, and it's like, hold on bro. Like I mean, what did you say here? But I'll say this just to give you some insight Tyler Perry has some real issues with his father.

3:01:36 and his father was abusive towards him and they played that up when they first made Oprah brought him because Oprah brought him to the spotlight. That's the trauma they're using on him. Right, she put the stamp on him but come to find out the reason why his father was abusive towards him and he even made amends with his father before he passed away because his father wasn't his biological father. His mother had went out and had sex with another man while inside their, you know what I'm saying, their relationship, came home with an outside baby. But every time he would get to drinking and thinking, he would beat the heck out of Tyler Perry. And I'm not saying that's even, nowhere even acceptable. It's not acceptable at all because, but I'm saying that's where the trauma came from. And really Tyler Perry has the makings of an MK ultra. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Traumatic.

3:02:30 Cuz I mean, he would get 50, I mean, his dad would put a number on him. But it was new, it's a very nuanced story, but the way they played it was victim of an abusive black man, which he was, but they didn't, it took years before it came out what the reasoning was behind it. And I think that he has this ability, but we always talk about DID, the victimization dissociated identity disorder. Where Medea might be a coping mechanism for him to go into that other place. Wow, hey, how come Charlemagne gets away with this? I mean Charlemagne is a prime influencer and he has a lot of influencing. We've heard him hedge and straddle many times, but this is a big one. Well, I'm glad you, well we always say Charlemagne is looking in like, he see woke has a expiration date on it. So he won't go 100% in woke and he also has a boss backing him up named Wendy.

3:03:39 Wendy Williams, would you like my clip now? Yes, please. So are you planning on getting your vaccine? No, no, no, I don't trust it. I've never gotten the flu shot either though. And you and I have talked about that. And several of the doctors on my team talked to me about Wendy, we'll get the flu shot. I've never had the flu. I'm not getting a flu shot. I very rarely get a cold. I never have headaches. I don't take an aspirin because I feel my heart murmur or something like that. I'm not getting no, I don't trust it. There I said it. Yeah. So let me go back to the vaccine for a second, because what you say and believe is so important to a lot of people, millions and millions of Americans.

3:04:24 are going to say, Wendy Williams didn't get a vaccine, so I don't want to get a vaccine. So let me just ask you if there's anything that could happen that would make you feel comfortable. 10 million people get vaccinated without a problem. Your neighbor gets vaccinated as sibling. Your son gets vaccinated. Someone that's dear to you gets vaccinated and does well. That might make you think, you know, just to get past the hassle of having to lie on my back, what to recover from COVID-19 or maybe not recovering. is not worth the risk that I might actually consider this vaccine? I'm not getting the vaccine. Listen, 10 million people and more have the flu vaccine and how many people per year catch the flu? You know, I know I'm not getting the vaccine, Dr. Oz.

3:05:05 I'm not. I don't trust it. And is there something in particular you don't trust about it? The fact that it was made quickly, the fact that we don't have enough follow up? What specifically is bothering you about it? Doctors are really smart people, but doctors don't know everything. And that's been proven as well. I'm not getting the vaccine. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't get the vaccine, everybody watching. I'm just saying I'm not getting the vaccine. Right and what trust is is good. This is good. Yeah, and if you people may be wondering well well moe day You're just a space jam reach right there with Wendy Williams and Charlamagne. What's that connection? Right well tell me

3:06:01 39 okay, so now let's talk about Wendy Williams and Charlamagne they have finally reunited and I know you had said you were gonna reach out to an olive branch out to her and Wendy Williams had said that you actually asked her to go to dinner to have a sit-down while you guys finally hooked up and here's You saying she lied about that? Yeah, well she put Wendy sauce on it. That's not what happened, but continue Well, Wendy also talked about you on her show. Yesterday, I had a very nice afternoon with a longtime friend of mine. Charlamagne! Let me tell you something, honey. I can only take Charlamagne in small doses. True.

3:06:42 Because the banter of the back and forth and knowing each other for so many years, you know I met him when he was still a DJ in down south. And I brought him to New York, I said, look, you sit next to me and you make what that funny. And the rest is history. But small doses, you know what I mean? Right. Like he is a mess. True. He made me cry. True. Teared up. Wrong. You teared up. We're talking about people and situations. You teared up. True. Talked about who's the donkey of the day. Fact. Or the year fact or of life through the brown He's crying now not at all. I will say though that picture. She posted it was that wasn't a real picture though I was actually me holding up one of her wigs I saw people saying that online and y'all were absolutely correct You don't see none of her limbs or nothing in the picture. That's just hair So where were you where you had a wig when he keeps wigs on her all the time? Yes, guys. It looked like you were crying in that picture people that carry that carry around yeah, that's dope you know that oh Yeah, she keep three different wigs with her at all times Wow

3:07:38 false talk. Oh wow. Hey, that's like a no no. You don't talk about a black woman's wigs do you? That's what I understand. No, well he's like, well the reason was he had a picture holding up one of her wigs. But I'll say this, now we've seen Wendy Oprah crossed paths in the last two shows. One with Wendy Williams and the Meghan Markle and she came there first and you know Wendy wasn't on board with Meghan and now we see Wendy's not on board with vaccines and you see Oprah's guy Tyler Perry out here trying to sell vaccines. We've got a split in the in the metaverse. Coven wars. Mmm Coven wars.

3:08:19 Wow, so it's a struggle. Now, but the what? Oh my goodness. Wait, let me guess. Are you going to somehow take this after our break, take this all the way to some outrageous conclusion that's going to splatter my brains all over my studio wall? Maybe. But first we got to take them to church. I'm sorry. I understand that there's some people out there who need my services. Are there any people Ain't people out there who are weak? Yeah! Ain't people out there who are weary? Yeah! Ain't people out there who are tired? Yeah! Ain't people out there who just need a hill? Yeah! Y'all got cash? Yeah! Well then come on! That's right.

3:09:10 This is the moment we thank the rest of our producers who supported us for episode 61 of MoFax with Adam Curry. Remember, everybody can pitch in right now. You can do it by returning value in real time with one of the Value for Value podcast apps. And we really appreciate all of you who go to the MoFundMe page, mofundme.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E.com and have supported us. So, Branford Galleon, $40, no note, we appreciate that. Hey Mo, says Scott Grice, along with a $35 donation, love the show, got a parenting question. A nine year old was recently called racist by another child in her class while playing a game. The game was put your head down and guess who was talking without looking?

3:09:54 You get two questions. She asked if the kid was black. He immediately said, that's racist. The game continued with no issues, but she brought it up at home and what that was about. Any advice? We've explained that the color of a person doesn't matter, but some people think it does. And you have to be careful what you say. Any help is appreciated. I don't think you need any help at all because you did exactly what you should do. You should explain to them what a real racist is and say that's not you according to the situation. So. Right on. I think you handle it perfectly. 3333 from Alex Mesa says doing the work Anonymous see $25 and 33 cents just want to throw y'all a bit of coin Thank you for your courage and talent. Thank you anonymous Ella bench $25. We appreciated Ella RL Laverne $20 I've been deduced

3:10:47 Great work, I'm happy to support. I'm on YouTube from North Carolina and a graduate of the illustrious North Carolina Central University. Eagle Pride Amplified! Peace brother! Also a big shout out to our good brother Adam Curry. Alright, now does he need to be de-deadbeated? Is that what, uh... I think that's what's going on here, right? Yeah, just to make sure. Just to make sure, of course. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. And, uh, that's, uh, Jim Eagle Pride. Even though he's an eagle and I'm an Aggie. I did go to North Carolina Central for one semester because that was my hometown. I floated around to three colleges and that's how I move. It's like if I'm not feeling the place, I move from place to place. But yeah, we'll look out for the eagle brother there.

3:11:41 Even though he's clearly misguided. This is a pro-Aggie podcast. Even though he's clearly misguided, we love him as a brother anyway. I'll rib him a little bit. $20 from Michael Zavala, keep the facts coming, lavish, you got it. Terrence Lynch, $20, thank you. John Kornforth says, Aloha Adam and Moe. Wasn't 1990 a great year? Reality was much simpler back then. After spending the past few weeks recovering from the double trigger warnings of episode 58, I consumed episode 60 with the comfort and safety of knowing there was no way you could ever terrorize me again in such manner.

3:12:18 Was I wrong? The Kalergi Plan and Archons. Are you freaking kidding me? I didn't sign up to be erased or enslaved by interdimensional beings. Lord have mercy! Please keep up your important work of us- of waking us up to the reality and that we've all been asleep in the Matrix. Oh yeah, fuck Meghan and Harry too. 1990. Tell us how you really feel. Right, that's a 1990 donation from him of course. Louis Bragg gives us a 1912 with no note but we gotcha. Andrew Lawton $17. Until I see your face I will stand by my theory that MoFax is an advanced computer program developed by Adam. Keep up the good work. You know, until I see his face I'll probably be thinking he's also AI. But I didn't develop him.

3:13:09 One day, one day, one day we'll meet up. 1537 Kenneth Pellishock says, Mofax, MF, MF Doom, Dumile, neither of whom show their face. Just saying. People are really obsessed with this now Mo. This is kind of your, you're like the mask singer here of podcasting. This is great. Andrea enjoyed the conversation and gave us $15 in value. Thank you very much. Chad Farrow, $10 and five cents. Clean out my cash out balance. Always a great idea. Clean that out. If you get tax returns, these are great ways of returning value. I like the tax return especially because it represents true work that you did that the government took from you and reluctantly had to give back. That's meaningful stuff. Christine Lancia, $10.

3:14:02 Whoa, whoa, whoa, not a ten dollars. What? An X donation. That's an X. Wait a minute, what am I missing here, Moe? The ten dollar donation is an X. I'm still not understanding what you're saying. The X donation, the Malcolm X donation. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're throwing us an X. Brother Moe. I am so fatigued by what you've already blown through my brains so far in the past three hours that I apologize. This is the X donation. Not that she actually said it. She said it. It's the X donation, of course. Christine, Lancey and Moe really enjoying the free live streams as well as episode 60. Here's an X to show my support. Is it coincidental that the new Amazon HQ building being erected here in Nova, North Virginia is shaped like a helix?

3:14:53 I would say no, Amazon wants to be your doctor. They want to be your pharmacist, your doctor, telemedicine. Wow, I didn't even know that. But that's a good data point. And a great ex. Another ex from Benjamin Bateman, love the show, keep doing the work. Ivan Lin, 429, no note, but we see Ivan. Terry, the human subscription Keller, 411, will not give up and we appreciate it. And Jacqueline C. Lay came in twice. This is Mumba Bear with $3.33 and we appreciate that. the support from every single one of the producers of MoFax with Adam Curry for episode number 61. Thank you again. Remember, value for value, whatever you think and feel that you received and value from the show, just bring it back to us in a meaningful way, whatever. If it's a financial, then just make it meaningful to you and check out the value for value apps, which is a very fun way to even measure what you what it's a price discovery. Interested to see what you all come up with.

3:15:52 MoFacts.com, go directly to the donation page of MoFundMe.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E.com and thank you again. Well, since we're at church, we might as well stay at church and let's get into Pastor Geno Jennings on TD Jakes and Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry just lied. He's led by the Holy Ghost. Laid hands on Jake. You just pull off the clothes of a woman. You pull off abomination. Then you come dressed like a man. He went off in some fake tongue.

3:16:33 The truth of God churches of our Lord Jesus Christ we believe that God is a healer. The truth of God churches of our Lord Jesus Christ we believe that God can do everything and anything. The truth of God churches of our Lord Jesus Christ do not Believe that God will do anything Contrary to that word the word that's right. We don't believe that laid his hands on a so-called man of God man of God and Shakes back there shaking and then all bent over shaking Looking like he's got to go to bathroom I Crush it to hell. Amen

3:17:22 I'll crush it to hell! That's right, that's right. Stop this religious faking! Fear God! And keep God's commandments! Hear me Lord, fear God! Hallelujah! Fear God! That's it. Wonderful. Man, we gotta get this guy in some value for value podcast stream, man. That's exciting. Where can I check out his YouTube live? This sounds fantastic. He's searching Pasadena Jennings. Wow! He's on fire. Exactly. And the reason why I play that clip is to show you that's how the church is divided over this thing. The church is divided. You have your big box

3:18:12 churches and it's not about race because we played a clip in one of our previous COVID shows where a white pastor was saying the same thing. He broke down the whole RNA. So this is the pick one side. you know, are you gonna be a believer and stand on what you believe in? Are you gonna be, you know, be pushed by fear? It's not even about the shot, it's the fear. You're being motivated by fear. Just going back to the Pope, so you're identifying a split in the church and I certainly don't know enough about the pastors and the bishop that we've

3:19:00 talked about today, but does this relate to the Pope now? Because the Pope has in essence created an entire different church of, I guess, cardinals in China who are preaching very differently than what has now been pushed underground. Is that split coming from there directly, or is it two unrelated things? I think it's two... well, it's related because it's biblical. And the Mark of the Beast, people could poo-poo that or laugh at it or whatever. But this is a very underlying storyline in this whole COVID thing. I just gotta say something because I've encountered so many people, certainly during COVID,

3:19:52 producers of the No Agenda Show, also some of whom have shown up here, who have known to me that they're believers, they're religious, they're churchgoers, they believe in—many of them believe in revelations, not all in the exact extreme way as the other, but without fail All of them have a firm belief. Oh yeah, I think the Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast, that's definitely coming. I don't know exactly how it's going. And these are not like, you know, would be portrayed by many atheists. These are not nut jobs. To my friends, incredibly intelligent people. But the belief is definitely there. So this is not just some small thing. And the reason why I say that is, it's not a lot of people

3:20:41 are seeing things develop and they're going back in hindsight and saying, wow, the way this is playing out. I can see that scenario. It's not, I mean, believers are going to be believers. But it's a lot of people saying, and like I said, we're not pushing religion or anything on anybody, but it's like if you wrote a script that said, how could you make people believe in the Mark of the Beast? It'd be what's being planned out right now. It would be rejected. Nah, that's too obvious. We can't do a movie like that. Right, but I want to say this is nuance to this thing we talked about walk by faith not by sight because what happens with believers is they have a certain naivete

3:21:23 where they're seen as like just bumbling, fumbling followers and they believe whatever their pastor tells them. The reason why I picked Gino Jennings to address this, similar to the pastor that we heard from before, is because there's nuance to his message. He's saying fear God, but he's also saying use your common sense in his next clip. Let me inform you you don't have to claim it. It claimed you. That's right. That's right That's right. It claimed you. That's right Amen. It claimed me. Oh yeah. Claimed my wife, claimed my children, and laid claim on my house

3:22:05 I could have ran around the house all I want. Don't you believe you got that virus? That's right. Amen. That's right. I get in bed with my wife and she's there moaning and burning up with fever, taking her temperature several times a day. A hundred and three. A hundred and three. Every day. And then it would go down. A hundred and one. And go right back up. A hundred and three. Every day. My lord. It doesn't mean for me to look over at her and say, Don't you believe you got a feeling? That's right. Yeah, look at me. Have you lost your mind? Hear us? We're gonna bring everything down to earth. The problem is you're in these churches running and jumping and falling out and you got all these false prophets laying hands on you and you get the same spirit that these wicked men have until now you fall for anything. Anything. That's right. Any preacher.

3:23:04 in any form of media viewers telling you that actually have the virus. And he's telling you, you don't have it. And he's telling you, don't claim it. Let me just be straight with you. You do not have to claim it. It claims you. So what he's speaking to is like with anything people can go to this stream at the other end and it's like, well, Even like I said, you're sweating and you got a fever and you're sick go get help right go get aid Don't say I'm not claiming it. No, no, no, no and die I mean there I mean the Bible tells you to be wise and serpent of generalist dove like you got to have some common sense in this thing, too Right. I mean if you're if you have a fever 103 go to the doctor and I'm saying that to people go to go get help and that's the weird thing like oh you want to send me to the killers again?

3:24:00 People, we can't be in extremes. There's a bunch of good doctors out here and really they're just fearful to tell you the truth just like anybody else. They're like, well, my house and my car and the kids' college and everything is riding on this and that's why I opened up the show the way I did because I could easily just be like, I'm not taking a vaccine but I'm not going to say anything about it. I'm letting people know I'm not taking the vaccine. Here's why. But if I was actually to get sick, I would go get help. But then you also got to take common sense there. You're not putting me on a ventilator. I know that, you know what I'm saying? Don't you got some stuff that can help me out? Stuff that you can do proactively to help? I'm not a doctor. I'm not here. What I'm just saying is use your common sense at the same time.

3:24:48 And that's where that walk by faith, not by sight. A lot of bad people use that to manipulate people not to believe in into reality. And we saw that with, and I say this and I don't want to upset anybody, but you still have some cute people like, oh, any day now, any day, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, I don't know. It's just, When you start tapping into people's beliefs, some people are meant to believe, and that's where I'm headed now with that. And there are certain genes inside of us they think that makes us believe.

3:25:26 And I'll say that, but... I think this is proven science actually, isn't it? Yes, it's BMAT2, I believe, is what they call the God gene. Which is like, it makes you believe me what you're saying about drug experiences with psychedelics and maybe even the cocaine thing. Maybe that's what they're going in and hacking with CRISPR to, you know, where you don't get that. And by the way, CRISPR, you know, you can do that on your own PC. You know, you can't inject it and there's a little more to it to develop and get it going. But the actual gene editing, the hacking, I think you can just do it on a PC. Well, since we're at CRISPR, let's just go ahead and get to 43. 20 years ago, a biologist named Anthony James got obsessed with the idea of making mosquitoes that didn't transmit malaria. It was a great idea and pretty much a complete failure.

3:24:48 And that's where that walk by faith, not by sight. A lot of bad people use that to manipulate people not to believe in into reality. And we saw that with, and I say this and I don't want to upset anybody, but you still have some cute people like, oh, any day now, any day, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, I don't know. It's just, When you start tapping into people's beliefs, some people are meant to believe, and that's where I'm headed now with that. And there are certain genes inside of us they think that makes us believe.

3:25:26 And I'll say that, but... I think this is proven science actually, isn't it? Yes, it's BMAT2, I believe, is what they call the God gene. Which is like, it makes you believe me what you're saying about drug experiences with psychedelics and maybe even the cocaine thing. Maybe that's what they're going in and hacking with CRISPR to, you know, where you don't get that. And by the way, CRISPR, you know, you can do that on your own PC. You know, you can't inject it and there's a little more to it to develop and get it going. But the actual gene editing, the hacking, I think you can just do it on a PC. Well, since we're at CRISPR, let's just go ahead and get to 43. 20 years ago, a biologist named Anthony James got obsessed with the idea of making mosquitoes that didn't transmit malaria. It was a great idea and pretty much a complete failure.

3:26:18 For one thing, it turned out to be really hard to make a malaria-resistant mosquito. James managed it finally just a few years ago by adding some genes that make it impossible for the malaria parasite to survive inside the mosquito. But that just created another problem. Now that you've got a malaria-resistant mosquito, how do you get it to replace all the malaria-carrying mosquitoes? There were a couple options, but plan A was basically to breed up a bunch of the new genetically engineered mosquitoes, release them into the wild, and hope that they pass on their genes. The problem was that you'd have to release literally 10 times the number of native mosquitoes for that to work. So in a village with 10,000 mosquitoes, you'd release an extra 100,000.

3:27:05 As you might guess, this was not a very popular strategy with the villagers. Then, last January, Anthony James got an email from a biologist named Ethan Beer. Beer said that he and his grad student, Valentino Gantz, had stumbled on a tool that could not only guarantee that a particular genetic trait would be inherited, but that it would spread incredibly quickly. If they were right, it would basically solve the problem that James had been working on for 20 years. Oh, Moe. I just cleaned the studio wall.

3:27:43 It gets you some tarts, man. But I'll tell people how this cropped up on my radar. Because I remember we had a big hurricane down in North Carolina, I want to say maybe four or five years ago. It was one of those weird ones where a bunch of rain got dumped on North Carolina at the same time it happened in Houston in that same hurricane season. And with the standing water and all the moisture, they had a huge mosquito problem. And they said, well, we're releasing genetic modified mosquitoes into the... I'm like, what? You're releasing what into the what? And that's where I got on the CRISPR trail. And Bill Gates, didn't Bill Gates just recently release a whole bunch of mosquitoes, maybe, gosh, maybe nine months ago or so?

3:28:30 Right, and the thing is, they don't really know. Well, let's just go ahead and get to 44 and see. They don't know how these things pan out. Finally, they set it up so that any mosquitoes that inherited the anti-malaria gene wouldn't have the usual white eyes, but would instead have red eyes. That was pretty much just for convenience so they could tell at a glance which was which. So they took their two anti-malarial red-eyed mosquitoes, put them in a box with 30 ordinary white-eyed ones, and let them breed. In two generations, those had produced 3,800 grandchildren. That is not the surprising part. This is the surprising part. Given that you started with just two red-eyed mosquitoes and 30 white-eyed ones, you'd expect mostly white-eyed descendants. Instead, when James opened the box,

3:29:19 All 3,800 mosquitoes had red eyes. When I asked Ethan Beer about this moment, he became so excited that he was literally shouting into the phone. That's because getting only red-eyed mosquitoes violates a rule that is the absolute cornerstone of biology, Mendelian genetics. I'll keep this quick, but Mendelian genetics says that when a male and female mate, their baby inherits half of its DNA from each parent. So if our original mosquito was AA and our new mosquito was AB, where B is the anti-malaria gene, the baby should come out in four permutations. AA, AB, AA, BA. Instead, with a new gene drive, they all came out AB. Biologically, that shouldn't even be possible. So what happened?

3:30:03 The first thing that happened was the arrival of a gene editing tool known as CRISPR in 2012. Many of you have probably heard about CRISPR, so I'll just say briefly that CRISPR is a tool that allows researchers to edit genes very precisely and easily and quickly. August 2020, 750 million genetically modified mosquitoes were released in Florida with the aim to reduce the number of mosquitoes that carry diseases like Dengue or the Zika virus. Yes. Yeah, they don't even know what's gonna happen. No, they thought well, it should be some red eyes and some white eyes and you know, but they open a box in all red eyes. And the reason why I highlight this clip is you heard Kizzie and Dr. Kizzie put it in perspective. Yes, because she did the work and Dr. Fauci said no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not hot.

3:31:04 Rubbish, you know, there's no harm with us doing these all these genetic splicings. How do you know? When they do these things, they don't know what the outcome is going to be. Even Bill Gates said we're getting better at it. But they're just kind of like just cutting in the dark. It's very scary science. And when I heard this clip, this clip is maybe five or six years old. I'm going to say at least five or six years old. I always tucked it away. And I was like, man, this is going to be a problem. And here we are. Here we are and it's, well I guess I let, this is Jennifer Kahn by the way, I'll let her wrap up with the third clip. Say you want to get rid of an invasive species, like get Asian carp out of the Great Lakes. All you have to do is release a gene drive that makes the fish produce only male offspring. In a few generations there'll be no females left. No more carp.

3:31:55 In theory this means we could restore hundreds of native species that have been pushed to the brain stop right there Stop right there. Is this the final blow is this how they get rid of us finally is this it? Now here's the quick here's the interesting thing who's the day they have that they're saying they have a way of getting rid of invasive species Now who is the they? I know what you're picking up what you're putting down. Wow. Let me play the clip again. I got a process. Say you want to get rid of an invasive species like get Asian carp out of the Great Lakes. All you have to do is release a gene drive that makes the fish produce only male offspring. In a few generations, there'll be no females left. No more carp.

3:32:42 In theory, this means we could restore hundreds of native species that have been pushed to the brink. Okay, that's the good news. This is the bad news. Gene drives are so effective that even an accidental release could change an entire species, and often very quickly. Anthony James took good precautions. He bred his mosquitoes in a biocontainment lab, and he also used a species that's not native to the US, so that even if some did escape, they'd just die off. There'd be nothing for them to mate with. But it's also true that if a dozen Asian carp with the all-male gene drive accidentally got carried from the Great Lakes back to Asia, they could potentially wipe out the native Asian carp population. And that's not so unlikely, given how connected our world is. In fact, it's why we have an invasive species problem. And that's fish. Things like mosquitoes and fruit flies, there's literally no way to contain them. They cross borders and oceans all the time.

3:33:38 The other piece of bad news is that a gene drive might not stay confined to what we call the target species. That's because of gene flow, which is basically a fancy way of saying that neighboring species sometimes interbreed. If that happens, it's possible a gene drive could cross over, like Asian carp could infect some other kind of carp. That's not so bad if your drive just promotes a trait, like eye color. In fact, there's a decent chance that we'll see a wave of very weird fruit flies in the near future. But it could be a disaster if your drive is designed to eliminate the species entirely. Yay, yay for science. Now who's invasive and who decides to get, who gets to decide who's invasive? And human beings, even though we share, you know, uh, of different races share the base, the basic genetic makeup of DNA. Our DNA is different. So who to say that what works for one group of people won't have a catastrophic outcome of another group of people?

3:34:34 They're playing God here, bro. It's eugenics times a thousand. Let's just say they're doing the best they can. This kind of power still needs to be regulated. It needs to be discussed at the very least. You would think. I mean, you're sitting here chopping up jeans. That pisses me off because the public deserves informed consent for any type of suggested medical procedure otherwise. You need informed consent and it's being withheld, it's being censored by obfuscation. There is no discussion, no real discussion about mRNA, just fuzzy words. No, it doesn't do anything to your DNA directly. No, it doesn't do anything to your DNA.

3:35:27 So it's disingenuous. So what is the it? Hold on, see that's how this the MRNA. No, the MRNA. Where the it is the vaccine. They're saying the vaccine doesn't do anything to your DNA. They're not saying that the RNA is not doing anything to your DNA. No, I disagree. He said the mRNA is not changing your DNA. That's true. The mRNA is not changing it. It's telling your DNA to do something and your DNA is changing itself. because of the command. It's the same thing as you're saying. That's the point I was making, these word games they're playing, when they're playing with something very, very risky. Word games. Well, there's a reason, and I just want to go back to what Charlemagne said, I did write it down, he said, I'm paraphrasing, no one ever gave a crap about black people before, now all of a sudden it's important? Yeah. No wonder there's skepticism.

3:36:24 60 episodes we've talked about this and now it's like here's a vaccine that's gonna help you out. And like I said, we're talking and speaking and they're acting in good faith. Right. As if. Now just say if they're not. I mean just say if they're not and say if they could carve out something like maybe religion that's in our genes. Now you're talking. Now you're cooking with gas Mr. Mofax. Are humans genetically predisposed to believe? Does evolution favor people of faith? Do prayer and meditation keep your brain healthy? These are just a few of the questions we're going to explore in Beyond Belief is Religion in Our Genes. And we'll be talking about these issues with Andrew Newberg, who's written distinctive, provocative, and rather controversial books about science and religion. Dr. Newberg is Director of Research at the Myrna Brind Center for Integrative Medicine at Thomas Jefferson University Hospital and Medical College. He's also Adjunct Assistant Professor in the Department of Religious Studies at the University of Pennsylvania.

3:37:25 Dr. Newberg uses science to study religious and spiritual experiences. His latest book is Principles of Neurotheology. By the end of the evening, we hope to understand what neurotheology is and why Dr. Newberg thinks it's valuable. And Dr. Newberg, welcome to COSI. Thank you very much for having me here. So can you give us a working definition of neurotheology? Absolutely. Neurotheology really refers to the field of scholarship that integrates what we can learn from the human brain and the human mind in terms of how we understand religion and spiritual ideas and phenomena. For me, I like to define the neuro side broadly and I like to define the theology side broadly so that for me the neuro side really includes what we can learn from neuroscience, cognitive neuroscience, anthropology, psychology, behavior and so forth.

3:38:14 And on the theology side, it's not just theology, but it's religion, it's spirituality, it's rituals, it is theology as well, and also some of the philosophical questions that come up, some of those big questions that we all struggle with about the nature of life and the nature of reality. Who is this guy again? I think he said his name in the clip maybe 30 seconds in, but he's a very serious person. That's why I let him go down his resume. Yeah, that's fine. No, I'm just saying, that's why I left his resume in there. Yeah, that's good. He's not some kook. You know what I'm saying? Like sometimes when you get into these topics, you gotta let people know that these people have standing and they feel that they're researching. He certainly comes with the right paperwork.

3:38:58 Right, he's validated, you know, so he's one of them. Let's just say like that. He's one of them as far as being in the 10% So we're not picking some guy out the blue here So let's just get into this clip. He's going to break down how religion acts on the brain or how the brain reacts with religion. So this is part two. So the brain's primary function is to just get us along and help us to survive in the world. The brain also has a remarkable ability to transcend itself from one moment of life to the next. All of us are who we were when we were five years old, but we've obviously changed. We've grown, we've adapted, we've learned new things, and our brain has to be able to be flexible enough to develop those new ideas and to figure out who we are going to be today and how that's going to change into the future. So our brain is constantly transcending itself. And so these two very important functions, which are tied together in a lot of ways,

3:39:52 are crucial to how the brain functions. And what's very interesting, and tying into the topic of the evening, is the idea that this is also part of how religious and spiritual ideas and beliefs help us along our paths, because they help us to maintain ourselves, and they help us to transcend ourselves. How? Okay. So I want to point out this thing that Think of your brain as DNA and religion as RNA. It's acting the same way. Oh, interesting analogy. I like that. Yeah. Right. So your brain is what it is, you know, it makes these simple functions or these planned functions and that spirituality and I hate to use religion because it's such a loaded term, but faith or whatever and whatever it is, spirituality or whatever. Belief. Belief. It rewrites the brain

3:40:43 into the different scenarios or how to deal with different scenarios? Well, yes, and I think that's got to be universally recognized that Buddhists will chant. That's a version of mRNA prayer is mRNA singing, mRNA then these are all not it's not mRNA but it's an analogy to it and I'm sure people will send us very long notes telling us how wrong we are but I like it I'm going along with it. No I'm just saying we did a parallel it's like the interior of your body and your exterior, like all these larger organ where like

3:41:23 Like, you know, your beliefs start to shape your mind and then your mind does the job better. So that's kind of like how RNA does the DNA, right? RNA, from my understanding, my fifth grade level understanding of it, is that RNA can communicate to DNA. Like you said, shout out to Custom Room, do pushups. You know, the brain, the... Belief does the same thing like we've been here before brain, you know, we need to react this way That's how I understand both topics and there's some similarity there which I found very interesting And I think is what boils down to What the scientists and believers where they don't align with is like, we can fix that problem on the gene level, what scientists say. And believers say, well, if we introduce people to new thoughts, no matter what the thoughts are, people can change to deal with the condition. So I see these two sides battling in a weird way. So let's get back to genes three.

3:42:20 They help us to maintain ourselves and they help us to transcend ourselves. How? Well, religion, of course, there are a lot of different arguments as to how religion may have an adaptive advantage to us. Some people point to the social cohesiveness that occurs among people who are of a particular religion. So you have a religious group. There are other factors in social cohesion as well. Absolutely, absolutely. But this happens to be a very, people find that if there's a central ideological structure that people can adhere to, that that becomes a very important way that people can bond. And of course if we do go back into time, we find that temples and various religious

3:42:57 ideas and concepts exist all the way back in the earliest parts of civilization, so it may have had a very important role, not the only one, but an important role in helping us with social cohesiveness. A lot of people argue that religion helps us to provide a sense of morals for us. And there are those who think that morals may be unrelated to religion, but nonetheless, these are just some of the arguments that people have made. people also have talked about religion as helping us to cope with an environment which is notoriously difficult to deal with. Obviously we've done a lot better in the last century than we did 2,000 years ago. It's not so well, but... Exactly, but look at the miners in Chile. Their religion became very important for helping them to stay calm, for helping them to deal with the really very problematic situation that they were dealing with.

3:43:43 And it helped many of them get through that whole situation. So people often argue that religion has a benefit from that perspective. Oh yeah, I think that's totally true. I mean people who drop to their knees or pray in time of deep crisis, it totally affects them. And if anything, they're usually calmer. And let's take it away from religion for a second into something that's more widespread in society, yoga. Yes. Now you can sit here and stretch. Like, oh, let me stretch the glutes and the hammies, you know what I'm saying? And it has a different effect than when you do yoga when you're actually centering yourself. You know, so I just want to point that out, you know what I'm saying, in a more socially acceptable way that

3:44:28 It's the combining of the body and the mind, right? I mean, because you can sit here and do all kind of stretches, but your mind is somewhere else. You're not going to get the benefits that tons of people have said they got from yoga. If you talk to people that do yoga, they're like, wow, man, it just changed my life. I mean, you could hear people say it like, man, it was life-changing. So I just want to give that example of it's not just the activity, it's the tying of the mind and the brain, and the mind and the body. Yeah, you're anchoring things. But another point I want to point out in this clip now, which I found that comes full circle with what we've discussed here, is social cohesion. If you're keeping people out of church,

3:45:10 or whatever their belief house is, the mosque or whatever your belief, maybe it's just brunch on Sundays. Maybe that's what you look forward to to get together with people and fellowship, right? No matter how you fellowship, if you isolate people, it's a double whammy, right? Because now you don't have this social cohesion and this love. I mean, when they say social cohesion, I think that's what they mean by going into community. Yeah, and the actual physical closeness which is an important part of vibrations and the communal prayer or worship or whatever you want to call it. Sports! I mean, sports, let's just say, I mean, I was trying to say religion. Nailed it, nailed it, nailed it. Exactly, you nailed it right there, nailed it.

3:45:58 People love to go and fellowship and tailgate and it's there it makes their week Yeah, if I can just get to the game on Sunday whether you're sitting down with your family and friends watching on television And I think that's why sports has lost its magic because you don't have that social cohesion Which they're denying that it's like they're holding it ransom It's like take this or you don't get to participate in that right and I think this is where people are drawing the line and Are you hooked yet? I've been hooked. 61 episodes I've been hooked. Alright, James 4. In many different ways. We need to understand how that happens. We need to understand why that happens. Are there certain people that that's more likely to happen in? Or are there, you know, a lot of evidence points to the fact that we can make anybody into, you know, a pretty immoral, horrible person.

3:46:49 by putting them in an environment that doesn't allow them to really become a more normal person. I mean, you can take somebody and brainwash them and do different kinds of rituals with them so that they're going to fly a plane into a building just like somebody who's a devout religious person. Whoa. So what we know though is that the more we focus on those negative ideas and the more we focus on the hatred and the contempt for other individuals, and the more that's built into the rituals, the more powerful that becomes for that individual. And that's why rituals are really a morally neutral technology. They can be used for immense good or they can be used for immense bad.

3:47:30 It's also that the structures of religion can be used to lead people along moral pathways. They can also be used to control elements of society and indeed to help the state rally around the cause of war. Absolutely. And again, sometimes that can be good. I mean, I always have in mind, if I had to send out an army to defend my freedom, would I want an army that was very religious and felt that God was behind them or would I want an army of atheists who were questioning everything every step of the way? I'll probably go with the former. But I think the important thing is that yes, it can be used for great good and it can be used for great bad. And this is why people, I believe, don't rally around science when they come, when you compare them to believers, whatever their belief is, because science has to be proven. That's why they're making science into a religion.

3:48:22 Because if you're just saying scientific method, if it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't. But when you tie emotion behind it, and that's why I think religions and rituals, it's not positive or negative. It's a force multiplier. So a lot of times if you can say we can turn religion into a science, you can get that force multiplier. That's why you see people just going out of their minds over science. And it's like, how don't you believe? How don't you believe? It's like, uh, I have my own set of rituals and beliefs. So it conflicts with that. Well, except for climate science, I think that's been successfully, um,

3:49:01 manipulated so that most people will hear the term climate science and will think, oh yeah, and they believe in it. That's why I love doing this show with you because you just inspire the thought. What is the similarity just to say with the known religions that we have and global warming? What's the similarity has I know I'll put you on the spot. That's a go for it. We're all coming to an end Oh yes, of course, the Armageddon, the... Yes, if we don't do this, if we don't act this way, the world's gonna come to an end. And it's always a good one. It's been used throughout history, but yeah, it's still effective. But never in a way has science been looked at that way, right? I mean, it's just like the nuclear bomb or whatever else, it's like whatever. But now we're saying, if you don't adhere to these rituals around

3:49:57 of recycling, of getting rid of plastic straws, of carbon tax, whatever else, the world's gonna come to an end. So now you have these two forces. And tithe, and you must tithe, you must tithe. Exactly. Bingo, boom, shakalaka. You can't poo-poo the people's belief in science either because these people actually believe the world's coming to an end in eight years and you have believers that think the world's coming to an end and they're on this game of chicken. So just to humanize the other side of it, the people that think that we need to do away with most of the humans on the face of the earth, especially the believers, I have Richard Dawkins and his thoughts.

3:50:48 I think the virus is quite a good analogy in one respect. A virus is something that spreads because it spreads because it spreads. So if you look biologically at what a virus does, it's... It's made of DNA or sometimes RNA. It contains instructions. In the case of a virus, the digression is much shorter. In the case of a virus, it's just more or less, copy me, copy me, copy me, make a duplicate of me, replicate me, spread me around. Now, any idea which passes from brain to brain and says, copy me,

3:51:25 is like a virus. So an example of a mind virus would be one of those so-called chain letters that you get, you know you get a letter that says make six copies of this letter and pass them on to six friends. Well, not all the six friends are going to do that but it only takes a minority and it will spread. The virus in the mind, yeah my favorite. Yes, so they look at he's an atheist and we're not making any claims about any atheists, but his particular brand of atheism is that religion is a virus. And it acts as RNA and DNA. He said these words, not me, that is just copy and believe, copy and believe. Why I believe? Because I've been copied this way. You know what I'm being told to believe this way.

3:52:12 And this is how where religion can be dangerous because sometimes people don't question. That's why I played that. Now you see why I had that Gino, Ginny's clip because some people just say, I ain't sick. Like you have to stay for cancer. I understand you're a believer, but also God gave us doctors to go, you're saying get yourself well. So, I mean, there's nuance, but I think when you become a fanatic, it's never good on either side. No. Because people say I'm acting in his way because I'm a believer. It's like I'm a starch believer. So I'll go do this act or I'll go do that act or I'll support eugenics because it's best, because why would you bring a child to the world of suffering, that kind of thing. So these people actually believe they're doing the right thing, but they only do it because they believe that's the right thing to do. And they get into this echo chamber.

3:53:07 And I believe the only thing between religion and science is science has the way of... Well, religion, they'll just kill you. I mean, religion, they'll just kill you. I think the overarching point is religion has been used by elites, whatever you want to call them, throughout history. Crusades, whatever. To motivate people to do a lot of things and I would argue or I agree with the statement that for good and for bad. And that's also just depends on your perspective. It depends if your head's being chopped off or you're doing the chopping.

3:53:47 And if I want to play the devil's advocate, I would say that the science way is more humane because you don't kill the whole human, you just take out their belief operating system. Yeah, just remove your testicles. It's the same thing. Just carve it out, right? I mean, they still get to live life. But now, but do you really want to remove the religious belief part? Don't you want drones that will continue to believe in whatever you want them to. If you remove it, then no one can use it. No one can abuse it. Well, here's the thing. If we can save 10% of the population in their real state... Right. Right. I.e. the ones who don't get the vaccine. Right. Or pretend to on television.

3:54:36 Right, so you get rid of them, I mean you keep them and then you say we get rid of all the fanatics on either side, okay? So you say the fanatic, I mean, because this is how the 1% thinks, it's like, okay, we'll get rid of the religious people by giving them a vaccine that kills their gene of belief. And then the people that are both site believers in science, they won't have kids. So we'll get rid of both sides of fanatics. Right. And then we'll just start over with a more intelligent race of people. Yeah. Religion is a virus too. No, totally. What flashes through my mind is just so many all the people I know who have, I know have already taken this vaccine. I just think, well, I really, I really hope you're going to be okay. I really hope that everyone's going to be okay. Yeah, I don't think this vaccine, I think this vaccine is more getting you to the idea of eliminating things you find undesirable. Like a primer. Right. Like a sample, like a, like a sample, a sample chocolate.

3:55:40 Well, I think I mentioned this before in the show and I know we're probably going a little long, but I'll just make this last point. They couldn't make the jump from cabbies to driverless cars. So you had to go from cabbies to Uber drivers, then Uber says, you know what, we have self-driving cars so we no longer need drivers. And I think that's the way they move. It's just like, it's incremental. It's very incremental, but I think this is the beginning of the end. Sorry, folks. The beginning of the end.

3:56:17 Well, with the beginning of an end of life as we've known it, I mean... Oh, oh, no doubt about it. No doubt about that. A lot of things are changing and this is, in fact, a great time to be a podcaster. I agree. Let's get to the second clip from Richard Dawkins. Not all the six friends are going to do that, but it only takes a minority and it will spread. And so we've all received these letters. They are pointless, they're a waste of time. Sometimes they contain little bribes. They say if you make six copies of this letter then you'll receive 10 euros from each person or whatever it is. Or sometimes they say if you don't make six copies then you'll have a terrible catastrophe in your life. It only takes a minority of people to believe that.

3:57:08 and it will spread. That's a mind virus. I think religion is like that because I think religion contains messages of reassurance, you'll go to heaven if you believe, or it contains threats, you'll go to hell if you don't. All it takes is for a message like that to have some appeal or some threat that amounts to an appeal, which will cause it to spread. And some things spread better than others. Advertising people are in the business of thinking up. Viruses that will spread people talk about YouTube videos going viral they spread because they spread because they spread And I think that religion belongs in that category Religious ideas belong in that category and well organized religions like Roman Catholicism and Islam are collections of Mind viruses which thrive in each other's presence. That's right. This is memes, baby Mm-hmm

3:58:13 And that's why the eight-year meme of the world's coming to an end due to climate change hit so hard and the people just spouted off 97% of scientists. All scientists agree. It's a mind virus. We had the mind trap. And you have the variants, you have all these mutations where people just leave certain facts out and just concocnate and then all of a sudden it's just all is true, all is a fact and the story changes over time and the truth is gone. Right, so you said that people think that the vaccine is going to be the mark of the beast. And I'm not one of those people that believe that the vaccine will be the mark of the beast. I believe your status where you took the vaccine or not will be the mark of the beast.

3:59:02 Because that will stop you from what that's what the Bible says it says that are and other books of belief say when you can't do business anymore That's because you have the mark of the beast Either you have it or you don't. If you have it, then you can do business and you can move and you move freely. So what I believe is the mark of the beast will be, well, vaccine passports. Vaccine passports. Are we going to need those? Arthur Kaplan's here, professor of medical ethics at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine. Arthur, thank you. Practically, they make sense, obviously, but ethically, what are the pros and cons of these immunity passports?

3:59:44 Hey Shep, thanks for having me. Well, the downside, a lot of people are going to know where you've been, where you're going. Government will know, obviously the health system may know if they have to verify the shots, so you're going to lose some privacy. And the downside is I'm sure some folks are going to get into forging and lying and trying to sell a vaccine passport. But I don't think that's going to stop this. I'll make a prediction. We'll have vaccine passports here by the fall, certainly by next year. Airlines, cruise ships, hotels, gyms, bars, they're all going to say, look, in order for us to tell our customers that it's safe, we want to see that passport absolutely coming.

4:00:29 Well, okay, this is... That's your mark. Yeah, you hit me hard with this one because I think we were already talking about a health pass or we joked around about it'd be a freedom pass coming probably back in February of last year because it's such a logical conclusion and it's also always kind of been part of the whole idea and any of that proof of vaccinations is not entirely new however this this opens up a whole new avenue of thinking for me because well first of all

4:01:10 Big tech is implementing this. This is not a big pharma. It's got to be very specific. This is IBM, Microsoft, Amazon and all three of them are already involved in multiple businesses with pharmaceuticals. So they are in fact looking to swallow up the business of the other biggest business in in the world, but certainly in the United States by far. So, you know, it's really, it's telecom, it's Silicon Valley, and it's, you know, so the Google and Twitter, etc., the fangs, and then it's pharmaceutical. So there's your Antichrist. What if your Antichrist didn't come in the form of a person, but it came, as David Bowie said,

4:02:02 When asked about the internet, he said, we have no idea what this is going to be. This is an alien beast that has landed amongst us and it's going to be the craziest, wildest ride ever. And maybe, maybe that is truly... and you can interpret Antichrist any way you want. Certainly not a good thing and an enemy. and it fits with all the viruses, all the memes, everything comes back to that. They want this passport. They want to issue the mark of the beast. And for me, the vaccine was one thing, but I've said, I'm not going to deal with passports. I'm going to fight this. You know, everyone's very simple to capitulate. You even heard in that clip and say, well, it'll be easy to falsify. Not the point. I'm sure we can falsify it. I'm least worried about that.

4:02:54 But if we get to that point, we've lost and now is the time to fight, not when we have to be falsified. That's my point. That's my point. It's not the point of the vaccine. It's the point of the They're saying did you do what we told you to do? Yeah, and one it'll be a digital pass the passport or some kind of app But in like well, what if you leave your phone and you get all the way down to the Starbucks? You got a turn back around You gotta go back to your house and get your phone just to get in. Why don't you just get this little chip? And then the tattoo is like swiping

4:03:32 Yeah, you see this thing now where they have the businesses where you have this seal on your door and it's like approved. Yes These companies are proved or not. Forget the name. I posted on my social media. Well, it's the well the well something it said the one that JLo's advertising it. Yeah, right. So that would be the the Complimentary thing to the to the passport. It's like well we say we don't take people without the mark. Yeah, it's segregation. Oh That's why I told you these are freedom papers, baby. You're gonna have vax and anti-vax water fountains in bathrooms. Well, they're certainly going to try it. I don't want to go all in and say that's what's gonna happen. No, that's where they're headed. I mean, I'm not saying that we're getting, but... Now, okay, first of all... That's my brains.

4:04:31 I would like to learn more. Maybe we don't have to do it today since the affiliates are already banging on the door after four hours of this. Maybe we can delve deeper into the Mark of the Beast specifically, the scripture around it, what will and will not happen, just all of that so we can really understand what's written about it and maybe we can anticipate some stuff and create a plan. And I think what really gets the people that are on the belief, like you said, the newly believing or the people that's looking into the belief is the, you can't move, you can't do commerce without this. And that's the stickler right there. It's like, what? You're really gonna leave me locked in the house because I don't have a digital passport? And that was, that's the one that does it for me. Like, no, no, no, no, no, uh-uh, no, uh-uh.

4:05:29 And it's not even about the vaccine. Like I said, we talked a lot about the vaccine, but it's where the vaccine is the bridge to where they want to go. It's like if they can make you take something that you don't trust, then getting that seal of approval is a slam dunk. They've left it fuzzy enough, if indeed true, and I like the theory, Then they've left enough room for, okay, it may not work this time. We may only get New York City. You know, they're the ones that seem to be ahead of the pack with the IBM Excelsior pass. Maybe you only get them to participate, but then we'll just, you know, release a new crack in next year and we'll do some more lockdowns. We'll have another vaccine and then we'll expand it some more. These things don't necessarily always happen overnight. They go gradually. And then once you get started having celebrities,

4:06:20 Black celebrities making it a status symbol. It's like, oh, look at my mark. You know what I'm saying? Look, I got the Nike. I got the Nike. I got the Apple. I got the Apple tattoo. Oh, man. Well. I like this episode Mo, I especially liked it because we have action items now and we really have something to look out for and I had a couple of holy crap moments myself so thank you as always for doing this. This has been a lot of fun. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. I look forward to talking to you next time Mo. Alright, talk to you later Adam.

4:07:01 Remember to boost us on those value for value apps and check us out at mofummy.com. Until next time everybody. Cupid, please hear my cry And let your arrow fly Straight to my lover's heart for me Now, I don't mean to bother you But I'm in distress There's danger of me losing all my mind

4:07:46 I love a girl who doesn't know I exist And this you can fix So, Cupid, draw back your bow And let your arrow go Straight to my lover's heart For me, nobody but me Please hear my cry, let your arrow fly Straight to my lover's heart for me

4:08:26 Now, Cupid, if your arrow make a love stone for me I promise I will love her unto eternity I know between the two of us her heart we can steal Help me if you will So, Cupid, draw back your bow And let your arrow go Straight to my mother's heart for me Lord, Q-Bet, please hear my cry And let your arrow fly Straight to my mother's heart for me

4:09:14 Cupid, don't you hear me calling you? I need you, Cupid, help me. I need you, Cupid.