48: Shootist

00:00 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for September 5th, 2020. This is episode number 48. And there he is once again, the man with the golden voice. Mo Facts. Mo, Mo, how you doing? I'm doing good, Adam. How about yourself? Well, it's been a crazy two weeks. First of all, I'm glad we're back together. We skipped an entire week. You were down the rabbit hole, which we'll get to in a moment. But I think Monday or Tuesday my interview with Joe Rogan comes out and either I'm gonna sound like the biggest nutjob in the world or maybe, maybe I got the Spitzer Mofax. We'll find out. There was a lot of substances involved. But yeah, it was a lot of fun.

00:51 I can't wait to hear it. I'm waiting like everybody else for it to drop. I can tell you one thing that did happen is I'm like, well, you know, me and my buddy Mo, Mo Fax, you know, and he says, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Your friend's name is really that?" I said, yeah, Moe. He says, Moe what? I said, Moe, Maurice, Moe. He goes, Moe Facts? That's his name? I said, yeah, it's M-O-E-F-A-C-T-Z dot com. Plug life, right? Yeah, living the big plug life, so we'll see. And based on, I think, our producers,

01:33 who support this show, who of course since we've been gone for two weeks will be thanking them in two different segments because the support has been phenomenal. I got a DM this morning from Hotev Jesus and he says, yeah, he says you need to come on the show. Can you come I think September 25th? And I said, oh yeah, sure. And I sent him a link to mofax.com. He says, oh yeah, what did he say? I don't want to misquote him. But I think it was something like dope. I've heard good things about it, so he said he was gonna listen. How about that? Interesting. Yeah! Very interesting. Yeah. So, you know... That grey Twitter feed, man! That grey Twitter feed of yours! Very grey. Very, very grey.

02:22 One more thing before we get started with the stuff for today. Noagendameetups.com is where producers of the No Agenda show organize meeting up together and they're starting to combine meetups because there's such a heavy crossover between the No Agenda tribe and the MoFax tribe in so many different aspects. And apparently there was the second Mo Agenda meetup, and I believe this is from Michigan. Hey Adam and Mo, we got a dozen people here in Michigan celebrating our second MoFax meetup after the Chick-fil-A one in February. Tonight was Popeyes. We love them both. And we just wanted to remind everybody that... Pay attention to everything, and the truth will reveal itself.

03:14 How cool is that? That's nice man. Well, I guess you can organize a Mo Facts or Mo Agenda meetup at MoAgendaMeetups.com. Very cool. Thank you so much guys. All right Mo, what are we doing? What else we have here? Wait a minute. I have a couple of things on my list I gotta get off there before we get into it. Okay. And it's cause for celebration. Celebration! Come on! It's a celebration! Celebration! What are we doing? What are we doing Moe? I'm blowing the horns. What's going on?

03:56 Happy birthday to two of my favorite people one being you Just celebrate a birthday. Yes, I did September and and the other one is to our only fan Uncle Richard Another fine Virgo man like myself very nice. All right, Uncle Richard. Hey cool. Very cool. Oh, you know what that means? You know what this is started. Well you start with this before you know it. We've got a birthday list It's the funniest thing we could The best gift I can think to give Uncle Richard, our only fan, is for you to spin that wheel. All right, for Uncle Richard, we are going to do the one thing that only reads the manners. It's the thing that we need to do every single show, because what is the topic for today? Nobody knows. But when we hit that wheel of topics, round and round it goes, we find out what we're going to talk about today. The Mo knows. We'll find out. The topic for Mo Facts with Adam Curry 48 is... Black-on-black crime.

05:03 Okay, it's something like for today's topic nice All right, okay, everybody take cover. Oh deep breath. This will be this thing. Yeah This is why I took two weeks. Yeah, literally took two weeks Up until the last minute rearrange the clips no man take it clips out and Because as you know, this is the third reel in racial slash politics conversation. Yeah, and it's something that to be honest, well I really of course, I look forward to episodes like this because this is where I get to learn an incredible amount. But just from a white American perspective, I, you know, what is often said is

05:50 you know, as it pertains to some news report, well nobody talks about 50 people in Chicago, black on black crime. And how'd I do the voice? Was that pretty good? And I've done it myself. The exact statement is, what about Chicago? What about black on black crime? And yeah, of course. And can I ask you right off the bat, just since that's what we do, When you hear someone like me say that, what about Chicago? Does that trigger anything? Do you think is it something that comes up in your mind when you hear it? It can come across as a cop out because you don't want to talk about what the topic was on. And two,

06:30 It's a non-starter. Put that on the list of non-starters. If you're going to come at it at the angle of counterbalancing police violence and police brutality, counterbalancing with black-on-black crime, the two things need to be discussed. independently of each other, they're both a problem. One being larger than the other and surprise surprise it being black-on-black crime is the bigger problem by far but I will say this, oftentimes when it's brought up, it's brought up disingenuously and to deflect from a conversation somebody really doesn't want to have on the topic that's brought up. Well the way that I might have used it in the past would be

07:19 It's interesting you say that. Yeah, in a way to deflect... Hold on a second, let me just collect my thoughts. No, that's interesting because it would probably be someone saying, well, you know, this is... Yeah, I think you're right. It would be white cops killing, you know, blacks and then it would be, well, there's only been nine this year and then, oh, what about Chicago? Yeah, okay. It's a deflection because I think that the there's no willingness to actually discuss, I think it's, okay here we go, from my perspective, because there never seems to be a willingness to discuss the actual numbers just as a statistic because the claim from white cops killing black men is

08:03 disproportionate to black-on-black but the conversation usually goes through well they only represent this portion of the population so it should be that but they represent 80% I mean it's all these FBI crime stats. Yeah exactly. Let's go to the FBI crime stats thing. So we're not going to use any FBI crime stats and you asked me a question I want to answer it. When I hear What about black on black crime? What about Chicago? We know the facts law, the Mo Fax Law or rule that every racial conversation eventually devolves to Chicago. It's like Hitler on white forums. Everything in black forums goes to Chicago. I got you. To Chicago. But when I hear that is the way I could hear it, but I dissect things myself personally, but the way I could hear it is

08:59 What's one more black dead black guy? I mean y'all killing about a dozen, you know, what's one more? I'm so Oh, yeah, I get it. I get like chicago and then what's what's nine more? What's your problem? Oh shit. Okay. Yeah. All right Well, that's good. So that's why we good point. This is what this is why we have these conversations so we can demystify And really get to the root of the problem. Yeah and it's multiple problems with this topic. But since we brought up the mecca of black on black crime as the media will have it, let's get right into fighting to stop Chicago's gang killings.

09:39 Chicago making international headlines this morning after a violent and bloody Fourth of July weekend. More than 100 people were shot since Friday, 14 of them are dead. Shootings and violent crime have skyrocketed in Chicago. For decades, Chicago has struggled to shake off its reputation for gun violence. While 2014 saw the murder rate fall to its lowest in more than 40 years, since then there's been a worrying increase. In 2016, 762 people were killed in the city, the most since 1996. On the campaign trail, Donald Trump repeatedly lambasted the city. Look at Chicago. What the hell is going on in Chicago? And in June, he announced a federal task force would be sent to assist Chicago police. I've come to Chicago to spend time with grassroots organizers who work in some of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods trying to stop the violence. Okay, we are indeed at ground zero.

10:40 So this is Adam Gabbit from The Guardian, and a couple of points I want to make in his statement was in 2014, the murder rate had fallen to its lowest level in 40 years. So we have to put these things in perspective. Is Chicago violence a problem? Of course. Is it a huge problem compared to the 80s and 90s? Or even if you go back 40 years, not at all. New York, Chicago, DC used to have almost double the violence that they have now. Well, it's trending back up, but we have to put these numbers into perspective. Why do you think the shooting, the murder rate has gone up over the past two years? It's no structure. See, it used to be organizations were a few guys at the top,

11:32 They called everything sanctioned or whatever. But nowadays, you got cliques, crews, and they might all have been know each other, grew up together and everything. But now they just, you know, they just going, they warring, they trying to make a name for they self. The communities they come up in, they can't get no jobs, nothing to do. So they just violent, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So this is US from on the out. He's an outreach worker from ceasefire and he's just speaking to the really decentralization of these gang structures and that's what's really causing the uptick that you're seeing now. What do you mean the decentralization? Can you explain that? Well before I used to be like militaristic where you had a you know a commander-in-chief, generals, lieutenants

12:29 That kind of thing and it was very organized structured now, it's more of There is no rank. Oh, I mean their ranks still there, but it's it's more like a flat flat hierarchy now Or our feudal system. Where you have these pockets of power and before you had to earn your way up, now it's like I'm willing to take you out now 14-15 years old. I want my respect now. Which we have to look at maybe this is a microcosm of the breakdown in the home

13:05 and no leadership, no patriarchy in the home laid out, no patriarchy. There's not even understanding of what a hierarchy or patriarchy is anymore, perhaps. Right, and it's dissolved in the streets. Yeah. You know, I mean, the men are even kind of sad to say the male-led structure, even in street gangs, is not there. And I'm going to say something now, I need to say it now. I am not anti-organized crime because I am not a a person that, you know, that's not naive. Crime is going to exist in society and civilization. I think when you have organized crime, when it's done properly, it keeps from it affecting the civilians.

13:52 You don't get random people shout on the street. You don't get children scared to walk up and down the street Because in every in every society and this this goes back to the black on black crime thing in every society this crime Every society there's organized crime But you don't see dead children of other ethnicities in their communities and on their streets Like you do see in black and more and probably brown as well but not as to extent as black. Okay so I just want to lay that out. So in this case you're referring specifically to black gangs at being organized crime because you know we can't be against organized crime otherwise all politicians would have to go because that's the biggest criminal organization there is.

14:40 But if I understand what you're saying, because the lack of organized crime in these gangs is actually much worse than it would have to be if there was a leadership structure and there was actually a leader that you could talk to and we could have leaders figuring stuff out? You mean like that? Exactly. And I'm not even pro organized crime. I know it's a necessary evil because crime, vice, alcohol, not now, but even in early parts of America, alcohol, gambling, prostitution, these things are realities.

15:19 Are you going to have structure to that reality or no? Because it's going to exist. I think what we're seeing now in this modern day, quote unquote, black community and black on black crime is the lack the decentralization. It's kind of like when you take out Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Now you have eight warlords fighting. Yeah, a vacuum. Exactly. A vacuum which is filled up by a whole bunch of people. Yeah, I gotcha. Okay. Clear. That's what you're seeing now. So that's where we're at. So next we have Cory Brooks.

15:56 And he's the executive director of Project Hood, another organization that's trying to help out Chicago. What people I spoke to really want is more funding for community projects, but getting that money can be difficult. Project Hood is a non-profit funded by donations. It gives hands-on training in professions like carpentry and business to young people who have been caught up in gang life and want a way out. Trump has spoken about Chicago in pretty strong terms, carnage. in a city violence. Does he have a point when he talks about needing to send in the feds? Absolutely not. The feds are not what we need. Job creation is what we need. That's the reason why we're building this facility. We don't want you to come and give us your government paycheck or your government food stamps. No, we want to create people that want jobs and help people get jobs. That's what sustains people and that's what creates family and if we can get a president to do that

15:19 Are you going to have structure to that reality or no? Because it's going to exist. I think what we're seeing now in this modern day, quote unquote, black community and black on black crime is the lack the decentralization. It's kind of like when you take out Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Now you have eight warlords fighting. Yeah, a vacuum. Exactly. A vacuum which is filled up by a whole bunch of people. Yeah, I gotcha. Okay. Clear. That's what you're seeing now. So that's where we're at. So next we have Cory Brooks.

15:56 And he's the executive director of Project Hood, another organization that's trying to help out Chicago. What people I spoke to really want is more funding for community projects, but getting that money can be difficult. Project Hood is a non-profit funded by donations. It gives hands-on training in professions like carpentry and business to young people who have been caught up in gang life and want a way out. Trump has spoken about Chicago in pretty strong terms, carnage. in a city violence. Does he have a point when he talks about needing to send in the feds? Absolutely not. The feds are not what we need. Job creation is what we need. That's the reason why we're building this facility. We don't want you to come and give us your government paycheck or your government food stamps. No, we want to create people that want jobs and help people get jobs. That's what sustains people and that's what creates family and if we can get a president to do that

16:55 I believe that the direction of our communities can change drastically. And Mr. Adam Gabbit was very deceptive in the way he conflated two questions. One was Trump's rhetoric about carnage and violence and those things of that nature at X-Street, and then he conflates it with his statement about bringing in the feds. So it's a very tricky question if you listen to how he asks it. Well, it's from the BBC. We know the Brits are racist. Mo, I mean, this is nothing new. Of course.

17:42 and probably Woff too, I mean, look at that way from the last show. But if you look at it, the question, of course he agrees that there's carnage on the streets and there's violence or he wouldn't be putting together these projects. But I do agree bringing in the feds is not the right is not the right solution to the problem. Bringing in federal aid, federal programs, job programs, reinstating family. These are kind of things what he was saying, but there is a county commissioner named Richard Boykins that has another solution for Cook County.

18:24 far too common in Chicago. Police investigating a shooting here. And heavily armed United Nations peacekeepers operating in some of the most dangerous corners of the earth. Now there's a push to bring them here. Good evening. I'm Rob Johnson. And I'm Erica Sargent, a Cook County Commissioner, wants to get the peacekeepers to Chicago to battle our violence problem. But it would be an unusual move. Consider this from a UN promotional video. Peacekeepers often operate in hostile environments where others cannot or will not go. CBS2 political reporter Derek Blakely picks up our story.

19:00 They've helped stop the fighting in war-torn hotspots across the globe, from Syria to Sierra Leone. Now a Cook County commissioner is appealing for U.N. peacekeepers in Chicago's crime-ridden neighborhoods. I know that there are those who say that this is an admission that we can't protect the people and the city, but quite frankly we haven't protected them. But one Westside alderman whose ward is plagued by violence rejects the military analogy. This is not war. I mean, we may have some daunting statistics, but again, military intervention is not the answer. Alderman Irvin says it's an economic intervention, not a military one, that's needed to stop Chicago's violence.

19:42 Here's a... First of all, I remember this story and I remember laughing about it like, what the hell is this? But now actually in context of what you said at the beginning of the show, if the numbers were twice as bad in the 70s, 80s, and they came down... Definitely 80s, 90s, yeah. Right. Definitely 80s, 90s, yeah. And so they've come down by half and now they're trending up or then of course they're never good. What did they do is my question? What were they doing previously that seemed to be working? Was that is there something that we can point to or something that it's the Giuliana tactics? Well, that was pretty much well, that was Bratton That was the chief of police and he came in and cracked heads as far as I know right. Um We're not gonna say that

19:00 They've helped stop the fighting in war-torn hotspots across the globe, from Syria to Sierra Leone. Now a Cook County commissioner is appealing for U.N. peacekeepers in Chicago's crime-ridden neighborhoods. I know that there are those who say that this is an admission that we can't protect the people and the city, but quite frankly we haven't protected them. But one Westside alderman whose ward is plagued by violence rejects the military analogy. This is not war. I mean, we may have some daunting statistics, but again, military intervention is not the answer. Alderman Irvin says it's an economic intervention, not a military one, that's needed to stop Chicago's violence.

19:42 Here's a... First of all, I remember this story and I remember laughing about it like, what the hell is this? But now actually in context of what you said at the beginning of the show, if the numbers were twice as bad in the 70s, 80s, and they came down... Definitely 80s, 90s, yeah. Right. Definitely 80s, 90s, yeah. And so they've come down by half and now they're trending up or then of course they're never good. What did they do is my question? What were they doing previously that seemed to be working? Was that is there something that we can point to or something that it's the Giuliana tactics? Well, that was pretty much well, that was Bratton That was the chief of police and he came in and cracked heads as far as I know right. Um We're not gonna say that

20:32 the crime bill didn't clean up the streets because of course we got millions of uh julianne and bratton was before the crime bill that was no what i'm saying is that the the change from the rehabilitation because even biden's rhetoric started before the crime bill right it was the really with i think it was But I'm just saying Manhattan had changed significantly by 1989, 1990. It was already really changed way before the crime. Right, that was when the Democrats started saying we're past rehabilitation. Rockefeller, I believe it was. They said we're past rehabilitation. The Democrats got really strong on crime. That started in the really early to mid 80s.

21:23 then it just worked its way up to the crime bill, but the mentality was lock up everybody and that's what the Congressional Black Caucus was calling for. And honestly that's what the citizens were calling for was to clean up our streets. Now cleaning up our streets doesn't mean lock up everybody in the neighborhood either. Or bring in the UN peacekeepers. UN peacekeepers is maybe a little bit overblown. And I'm glad you got to that point because if people really back up here and take a step back and look we're seeing here We're having this super predator narrative Revival ill yummy coming back. It's coming right back and and it worked. I mean look at who was running for office. I

22:09 I mean, to be honest with you, I mean, you have... That is a deja vu, isn't it? Yeah, thank you. It gets to... You know, and it's weird because I wanted to... I texted you. Who was it in the big article? Was it Yummy? I could remember Little Yummy. Because I wanted to bring it up on Joe to explain how the math models, kind of like the climate change or God forbid, the coronavirus models had miscalculated the danger of the quote-unquote super predator But that it just it was taken for science with science is is right and then you know we're still living with the crap from today. Maybe he's trying to yeah maybe it's just a redo. You know they figured all that shit out we should do it again. Yeah and

22:54 This is not only limited to Chicago, when I'm talking about Black on Black crime. This is a problem in any pocket in America that has high so-called or quote-unquote Black populations as we are here in Black on Black crime part 1.1. Black on black crime. You can find it in almost any major city like Chicago, New York or L.A. But Chattanooga is nowhere near the size nor has the population of those cities. Yet violent crimes by African-Americans against each other in Chattanooga, it's just as bad. In part one of his special report, Eric Abnei takes a deep look into black on black crime and its effect on the African-American community. He joins us live in the studio to explain. Eric.

23:35 Well as journalists, it's our job to report what's happening in our community and unfortunately we find ourselves covering black-on-black violence almost every other day. Now before we begin, you need to know that in this report we're about to show you, it is very raw and emotional with language that some viewers may find offensive. Trigger warning. Crime scenes like this one play out almost every week in Chattanooga. And the story is usually the same. A disagreement between two black men or a group of African Americans that leads to violence. Some of the victims live, others die.

24:13 No one knows this better than Celeste Woods. You see, nine years ago, her son, Demond, was shot to death in this East Chattanooga neighborhood. She says she'll never forget that horrible night. And the next thing I know, I was getting a phone call and said, Demond has been shot. And could you come? And this is the area that I came to, out here. And when I came, there he was, the rope was taped around and he was lying face down in the street. To add insult to injury, DeMond died on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, a day most Americans celebrate a man who stood for nonviolence. All right, Mo, before you deconstruct it for us, what station did this, what outfit did this?

24:54 This package WDF news 12 Chattanooga source for local news. There's local quick and quick to the point Incredibly disgusting to me the way they start off with saying, okay, seriously, this was a mind control thing in what you would call trauma-based entertainment as far as I'm concerned. The music track that went from some recognizable song. What song was that? What was the track? I think I recognize it. It's not like some crazy old track. No, it was just like a typical quote-unquote gangster music. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't matter. It sounds like a Dr. Dre beat. Yeah, and then we went into some...

25:40 Mama comes in and holy crap. That was mind control. That's all I wanted to say. It was that was quite disgusting Yeah, you had a sad chords. I mean cost with chords. Yeah, everybody knows it knows music and invoke emotion. Of course Strings it wasn't no sad black mama on TV. It wasn't news. That's for sure. That was that was programming but if I said to you Chattanooga and You wouldn't say to me black on black crime. I mean, no I say pardon me boy. Is that the Catholic shit on your shoe? Yeah, that's what I said. Sorry.

26:18 So this lets you know that it's widespread. They want to make it like it's this urban problem. No, it's widespread and that lets you know wherever a shared mentality or what you want to call a culture is that we have this same systemic problem. So with that said, we can get into 1.2. The shooting death of her son was the result of an earlier altercation with this man, Alex Smith, whom police later arrested and charged with murder. Current gang task force coordinator Boyd Patterson prosecuted Smith. That particular case ended with a plea of guilty to manslaughter and a sentencing hearing.

25:40 Mama comes in and holy crap. That was mind control. That's all I wanted to say. It was that was quite disgusting Yeah, you had a sad chords. I mean cost with chords. Yeah, everybody knows it knows music and invoke emotion. Of course Strings it wasn't no sad black mama on TV. It wasn't news. That's for sure. That was that was programming but if I said to you Chattanooga and You wouldn't say to me black on black crime. I mean, no I say pardon me boy. Is that the Catholic shit on your shoe? Yeah, that's what I said. Sorry.

26:18 So this lets you know that it's widespread. They want to make it like it's this urban problem. No, it's widespread and that lets you know wherever a shared mentality or what you want to call a culture is that we have this same systemic problem. So with that said, we can get into 1.2. The shooting death of her son was the result of an earlier altercation with this man, Alex Smith, whom police later arrested and charged with murder. Current gang task force coordinator Boyd Patterson prosecuted Smith. That particular case ended with a plea of guilty to manslaughter and a sentencing hearing.

27:01 So that's what happened. He could have faced, it was between six and ten years. But after the sentencing hearing, he was given six years. Authorities say much of the violence playing out is gang related. According to a recent study, blacks make up 89% of the gangs in Chattanooga, followed by whites at 10.5%. And the number of gang related crimes rose from 127 in 2007 to 500 in 2011. I want to get some terms straight with you. What is the difference between urban and inner city? Is there a difference? Because in Chattanooga, is that the Chattanooga inner city? Urban means black. Whenever you hear urban, that's black. Now you have inner city, which is geographical of this, it's the inner city. Right. Now they can be used synonymously and incorrectly, but when you hear urban,

28:00 that's targeted towards black people. Okay. So that makes sense. So geographically you could say inner city and that means just downtown. Right, but is what's happening in Chattanooga, is that happening in the inner city? I would guess so. I don't know how you conflate urban. Because when they say urban, they mean black, even though Chattanooga is not urban. It's a tricky word. It's like, oh yeah, over there. Over there where the blacks are. It's kind of like urban is synonymous with ghetto. It's really ghetto. It's what urban means. This word needs to be outlawed because it has too many stupid meanings.

28:43 I mean it used to be a music style. It used to be just a music sort. That's what it was. Urban, baby. Well, slow down, Curry. No goggles yet, but slow down because we're getting there. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. We're getting there. Listen, Grasshopper is too educated. How the urban music leads to... Yeah, yeah. Okay. So you have This guy gets six years. Six years. Now I can look at it one or two ways. I could say, whew, at least one black guy is going to be out six years. I mean, the other one's dead. Or I could say, wow, is a black life only worth six years in jail? And this is how this gets tricky. Because if I come down on the side of, that's not

29:30 They said he played was a plea deal on manslaughter, but I want to raise somebody concern I mean Raise our awareness our memory to you remember Botham John and the female cop that shot him and she got ten years Everybody was all up in arms. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I But this guy gets six years for killing another black man, not a peep out of anybody. And he was like, oh yeah, we gave him six years. I mean, he was bold enough to go on the news and say, yeah, we let a guy off murder with six years. And is that, now I have to be cynical. Is that because you want murderous people to make it back to the hood while they're still in their prime, they're killing prime?

30:12 Yeah, well again, a very, very interesting perspective. You said, wow, is a black life only worth six years? If I had heard that Well, I mean, because I know a little bit about legal sentences. I was just saying, I'm just saying from my side. I know, I understand. I of course did not have that empathy. I did not think, wow, that dead guy is only worth six years. I thought, maybe the way it worked out, the altercation, I don't know what happened. I don't know, the gun went off, I don't know.

30:48 But I totally understand where you're coming from, of course. That's about the running average about 10 years for a black life. That's what you get, you know? And these people know this in the streets. I know I sound very callous and cynical. No, no, but this is important. I know what you're going to say now. This is important because that's what's known. They know, oh, it's just 10 years or if you're lucky six years, recycle your out. Is that where that's going? Exactly. And if I'm running a white supremacist enterprise here, those are the kind of people I want back on the streets.

31:24 Yes, I see the problem. So in this case, the system is actually assisting this problem by perhaps even trying to be compassionate. It's a mindfuck. And well, and now let's say on the other side, say this guy got life in prison. Well, there goes two lives. It's like you can have it either way you want it. Yeah, you can. Oh man. This is why this is such a slippery thing to wrestle because when you're, you know, when you throw that ball, what about black on black crime? Because I tried to work this show that I watch and I have mixed feelings about it called First 48 on A&E.

32:08 And I watch it often because it gives you a good cross-section of criminality, especially black and black crime that results in murder. What basically the top, the premise of the show is the first 48 hours after a homicide are the most critical hours. And so they have a lot of inventory with black men being killed. So of course that's going to be the majority of your cases. And it could go either way. You can have these cases where one guy gets six years for killing a black life, or you could have one guy go rob another black guy with another black guy in the car and they killed the one black guy and then the other two guys get life without parole.

32:51 So just because the second guy went with the you know just was tagging along. Yes, but so this now this is where it gets confusing and I'm just gonna say it I'm sure I'm jumping the gun but a big part of today's movement is to have police reform and to get a lot of people out of jail much quicker or not even go to jail at all for certain crimes up to incredible levels. Again, that seems like it's compassionate, but from what you're telling me, it could have a completely adverse effect within the criminal circuit. It's like, oh, this is great. We just recycle, recycle, recycle. Thank you very much, BLM. Right, and if your goal is to have more, okay,

33:46 We already know Black Ink and BLM's business model feeds off of black dead bodies in the street. Yes. You need the total number and then you need the highlight cases that the media runs with which by cops. Yeah. I want to say this one thing. Notorious B.I.G. had a song called, You're Nobody Till Somebody Kills You. When a black person kills a black person, that's a nobody killing nobody. In the media's eyes. It's only when you're killed by a white person or you kill a white person, then you've made it. Okay, now you're somebody. Yeah, you make it. It's a very sick and what problem, this is where I find very problematic, is people like Kamala Harris

34:35 Barack Obama all these sorrow sister da's Y'all don't understand the nuance that needs to be had when you're saying who do we lock up who don't we lock up? There's like oh let everybody out and then what happens the community gets riddled with crime and Then you get the heavy hand of the law coming down and then you get another criminal justice system. I mean on criminal justice bill Yeah And it's indiscriminate And now black people are being stopped to frisk again So it's like where's the nuance here, but nobody wants nuance everybody wants dead black man in the street period well

35:14 Well, not everybody. On that level. Let me clarify. When we speak, we don't talk about humans. Of course. People here, we talk about factions. And dead black men work for everybody. It's the salve for all wounds. It's a floor wax and a dessert topping. Exactly. Because you can say, look at this. If I want to say about trans men or trans women, who does it? Black men, you know? So it's like, you're gonna see. I don't want to talk here too much. Keep the train rolling. So in this next clip from the Chattanooga News piece, they talked to somebody actually in the life. So we have 2.1.

36:04 When it comes to black-on-black crime in Chattanooga, Gang Task Force Community Outreach Coordinator Fred Hauser has seen it all. Hauser believes the problems unfolding on the streets don't start on the streets, but rather at home where offenders come from broken families with little or no guidance. People often point back to the family. Well, when I was coming up, it was a primary family, the mother and father, but it was also everybody in the neighborhood that represent the family. That structure, you know, has broken down. And age does play a role. That was confirmed by a man who admits to being gang associated.

35:14 Well, not everybody. On that level. Let me clarify. When we speak, we don't talk about humans. Of course. People here, we talk about factions. And dead black men work for everybody. It's the salve for all wounds. It's a floor wax and a dessert topping. Exactly. Because you can say, look at this. If I want to say about trans men or trans women, who does it? Black men, you know? So it's like, you're gonna see. I don't want to talk here too much. Keep the train rolling. So in this next clip from the Chattanooga News piece, they talked to somebody actually in the life. So we have 2.1.

36:04 When it comes to black-on-black crime in Chattanooga, Gang Task Force Community Outreach Coordinator Fred Hauser has seen it all. Hauser believes the problems unfolding on the streets don't start on the streets, but rather at home where offenders come from broken families with little or no guidance. People often point back to the family. Well, when I was coming up, it was a primary family, the mother and father, but it was also everybody in the neighborhood that represent the family. That structure, you know, has broken down. And age does play a role. That was confirmed by a man who admits to being gang associated.

36:44 For his protection and the protection of his family, we agreed to hide his face and alter his voice. It's a myth that the older you get and being in the game, the more power and respect you got. It ain't about that no more. It's about the nigga who out here putting in the most work, nigga who pistol play heavy, nigga who got a mind for itself. So these young niggas be 16, 17 years old and be telling 30 and 40 year old grown men what to do. Wow, so that goes to show you about the the decentralization now spoke about previously. Mm-hmm. That's all about a name It's not about you know, it's no ranks, you know, you're gonna make it the general or or you know capo or lieutenant, right? You know, you make it up the ranks and it's no more of that. It's about you're in like basically the Wild West. It's the Wild West You're in the fastest gun. Yeah, you're in the fastest gun. Yeah so

37:39 Looking at this, we have to go back to the Super Predator meme. Because that's still alive and well, slash the thug life, or the thug, slash, you know... So this comes from a movie, 1992, called Juice, which featured Tupac Shakur. I remember this one, sure. And this scene right here lets you into the... Now it's a movie, and it's dramatized, but... Wasn't Kamala Harris in that movie? I thought you was hanging with the with Tupac back then. I'm sorry. Uh, especially the lady in the record store with the gold teeth. Yeah, so in this scene it lets you inside the mind of what they would say a quote unquote super predator thinks like it's over. Everything starts from now.

38:36 We all go down unless we stay together. Ain't no one man above the crew, you know that shit. Crazy, man. You know what? When you said that last time, I was kinda trippin', right? But now, you right. I am crazy. But you know what else? I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck about you. I don't give a fuck about Steel. And I don't give a fuck about Raheem either. I don't give a fuck about myself.

39:17 Look, I ain't shit. I ain't never gonna be shit. And you less of a man than me, so as soon as I decide that you ain't gonna be shit, so be it. Yes, it's a rom-com obviously so so imagine coming across a person with that mentality that has all the self-hate in the world. Yeah Nobody speaking positivity into him because that's the thing that was the character of Bishop His father was a war vet, you know, he was kind of out of it and he was being bullied by on Rada mezzes crew rival gang

39:55 And he was tired of it. He was tired of being pushed around I'm not you're saying I'm just trying to humanize people and it gets to the point where you have people that's out really suicidal It's like I'll let society do the job for me of killing me But I'll take now everybody along the way I can and that's kind of like the mentality of these people that you come across the problem with that is there so far and few between As we pointed out with the flaw in the super predator numbers, just because people say they subscribe to this mindset don't mean they actually live it. And you have a lot of kids, including myself when I was young, that would dress

40:39 The part that would use the vernacular to play the part because that's what the women were attracted to with girls. You know, they wanted the tough guy. I mean, and this is American apple pie. I mean, Fonzie got all the chicks. Because he was saying he had the leather jacket and the motorcycle. I mean, let's just keep it 100 here. So this is nothing new, but this is what's feeding this scenario with black-on-black crime. So I don't know, I want to know what you took away from that scene or what sparked your mind. Well, I think exactly what you said. It sounds like, well there's, I've met some crazy people in my life. Maybe they weren't in a gang, but they said crazy shit like this too. And yeah, it's frightening, but

41:36 If you're gonna think that well look this is trauma based entertainment All the elements are in there. It's easy to think holy crap. That's what all the urban areas are like Kelly You know it's like. I don't know that is a Sounds pretty desperate, and it's very dangerous because when people watch this and then they see me Dressing looking like the characters. They just associate and like I said all this is part of a bigger plan We're gonna get there But I found a throwback clip from show 41 and this is Tupac and he talks about Donald Trump and greed in America I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I can I stop you for a second? Mm-hmm. Yeah, sure Well known is the talk that your parents had with you Yes Did the talk not at any point say? Son stop dressing like a gangbanger when you go out because you can get in trouble just for the way you look and

42:34 Well, it's not the point about dressing like a gangbanger. It's the point of dressing about... The point about dressing about what's hip. I wasn't wearing bandanas and Chuck Taylors and those things. Okay, I got you. But it doesn't take much. It doesn't take much because it's popular culture. Look at the hoodie. Yeah. I mean, the hoodie's been around since forever, but it's like, okay, we're going to weaponize the hoodie now. And I have to say, and then I'll shut up. The hoodie was an exclusive white guy thing. It got taken away from us with Trayvon. It was the Unabomber trademark.

43:14 It was a white horrible guy trademark. Oh, or the creepy guy with the sunglasses. Like, are you right? That's the uniband. I didn't never think about that. That was the uniband. It was our hoodie, man. Thanks. Because that's, yeah, I'm going to show you how powerful images are because when you said that, the composite sketch of a highly-cooled hoodie popped right into my head. But now that we say hoodie, we think Trayvon Martin Those things. I mean, we could go down the list. I mean, we black people have taken a whole bunch of... We took wheat-colored construction boots and turned them into a fashion statement. That was later. But that's okay. I feel good. You know, we've taken so much from the black brothers. Here, you can have the hoodie. Enjoy your hoodie. Thank you.

44:04 But the hoodies, I will say this, the hoodies been around since this era, 1992. The champion hoodie, this was very common. So it was amazing how they started to weaponize it recently with the Trayvon Martin case. Like, it was the hoodie, the hoodie. It's like, oh, but... We had a clip that we played before like I won't let my kids wear hoodies or sneakers. It's like that's like the teenage boys Go-to is those things yeah, and when my dad was a kid It was the eboots the engineer boots because that was what Marlon Brando had and that was cool But then you were in a biker gang, so I guess it's always been the same thing eboots. Yeah, same thing okay, so

44:45 Right. Gotcha. So now getting back to Tupac, Trump and greed. This world is such a, and when I say this world, I mean it. I don't mean in an ideal sense. I mean in every day, every little thing you do, it's such a, gimme, gimme, gimme. Everybody back off. You know, everybody's like, you taught that from school, everywhere, big business. You want to be successful? You want to be like Trump? Give me, give me, give me. Push, push, push, push. Step, step, step. Crush, crush, crush. That's how it all is. And it's like, nobody ever stopped. You know, I feel like instead of us just being like slavery's bad, slavery's there. Bad whitey, bad whitey. I mean, all right, let's stop that. And everybody's smart enough to know that. I mean, we've been slighted.

45:23 And we want ours. And I don't mean by like, a hours, 40 acres and a mule, because we're past that. But we need help. I mean, for us to be on our own two feet, us meaning youth or us meaning black people, whatever you want to take it from, for us to be on our own two feet, we do need help. Because we have been here, we have been a good friend. If you want to make it a relationship type thing, we have been there and now we deserve our payback. It's like you got a friend that you don't never look out for. You know, you dressed up in jewels. Now America's got jewels and they got, they paid and everything and they lending money to everybody except us. This wasn't too, too far, too long before he was shot, was it?

46:00 This was 1992 so that was but four years four years before all right, so this is but this is pre This is pre jail right to pop and there was definitely a change that happened there, so Maybe one day we'll talk about that, but he makes a great point That was from that was from Mofax 41 if anyone wants to go back and listen to yeah more in contact That was a thing the thug life. Yes episode. That's right so You have young black men grow up in America where it's take what you want. If somebody strikes on you, you strike back harder. If they drop two buildings in Manhattan, you go kill a million people. You know what I'm saying? Like this is, it's the rider mentality and it's like when they embrace it, it's wrong. Yes. I, this is one of my biggest, biggest gripes, of course.

46:53 Because that's all we know in America is just take. And you know, I mean, when I'm saying corporate America, America the corporation, is just take. You know, and that's why I like, I think Trump gets respected at least because he's clear. You want us to come there? What you gonna give us? Right. How about their oil? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You want your streets cleaned up? You know, you want us to bank for your set? You know, what you gonna give us? Yep. And it's a certain respect that comes with that. But yeah, so when you grow this up and then these kids are raised by television, you have no father to give you any context or nuance or those kind of things. Like you said, the talk that you had mentioned before. There's a bunch of talks that go on. This is talks that how to deal with white people, it's talks that how to deal with your own kind. You know, if you're in certain areas, don't go to certain areas that

47:46 that people that look like you. I mean this talk thing is not only, this talk thing is not only about how to deal with white people, it's about how to deal with threats to your life. That's what the talk is about. Well you said something interesting because I thought the talk was pretty much about law enforcement, at least that's what I've been told about the talk, you just said something different and and that makes total sense by the way. But the first thing you said the talk is about how to deal with white people, that's interesting. Well, that's part, that's one of the biggest, well not even white people, it's the cops. Okay, alright, that's what I thought. You know, white people in general, but what I'm saying is, is...

48:24 Anything that can threaten your existence, whether it's taking your life or your reputation or, you know, impeding you from having a good life. That's all encompassing of the talk that a father has with his sons. And now let me be clear. I'm not excluding the girls, but girls and women and everybody else has advocates for their cause. This is why this took me, show took me two weeks Because I'm being an advocate for young men that look like me and I understand I'm lucky to be here and reason why I'm saying I'm lucky I participated in some of the same some of the same activities

49:08 You know, what's called riding, you know what I'm saying? You go out, you ride, you know what I'm saying? Bad license, bad registration, you don't have money. The state's always messing with you some kind of way. Right or wrong, but the state needs theirs. But when you're young, you don't think about that kind of thing. And I'm just, to be honest with you, I'm one of two bad searchers away from Being you know saying being a victim of the criminal justice system so when I speak about young black man I'm speaking from the heart and I'm black men in general, but especially young black men I'm speaking for the heart because everybody else has the goal to use them for their own gain of course No, thank you that's personal, but it's no that's It's very much home with me. It's very much appreciated and and as you're saying that I was thinking that

50:01 You know, of course I think every young man gets into some stupid shit and we do some stupid shit. But I've never done anything that... I never got caught. But I also didn't... That's my point! Like, we just... But I'm sure of it. I'm sure that I didn't have the same fear that you had. For sure I didn't have the same fear. What's the odds it's like um? Let's take Corona for instance the more you test the more positive you find right yep So it's the same thing when you start talking about arresting pulling over people's more bullshit. You're gonna. The more you of course yeah, yeah The more have the roaches you're gonna find you know it's not like you blatant You know I forgot to you know have this roach in my book bag or you know

50:54 Didn't have time to stop by my locker to drop this off or that kind I mean just and really no you know We in the gateway drug you know you know if the gateway drug the more the more you test the more positives you get That's you nailed it. It's exactly right the more you test and if you're testing a certain group more you're gonna find the shit with them absolutely Now because that's a topic we share and I guarantee you I've smoked more weed than you have You probably have. Well, I'm just saying that, uh, probably better, of course. Okay, now it's that, is it?

51:30 Damn. No, that's a, you know, just the inside baseball. The ultimate, the ultimate, ultimate racism. Good weed, yeah, good weed was often referred to as white boy weed. Fuck man, really? Yeah, don't give me that urban skunk, man. I wanna hear that. Shit. White boy weed. Do you come visit me? Yeah, Mo, we'll show you what that's about. So to get into the mindset of a what we would call a thug or a super predator at one time Malcolm X will fall into this category before he was enlightened, you know and brought into the knowledge of self and um, Oh, you know the plight against his people. So I have some excerpts from his autobiography written by Alex Haley.

52:20 And it's written by Joe Morton. And let's just get into 1.1 West Indian Archie versus Detroit Red. It was a classic Hustler Code impasse. The money wasn't the problem. I still had about $200 of it. Had money been the issue, Sammy could have made up the difference. If it wasn't in his pocket, his women could quickly have raised it. West Indian Archie himself for that matter would have loaned me $300 if I'd asked him. As many thousands of dollars of mine as he'd gotten 10% of. Once in fact, when he'd heard I was broke, he had looked me up and handed me some money and grunted, stick this in your pocket. The issue was the position which his action had put us both into.

53:06 For a hustler in our sidewalk jungle world, face and honor were important. No hustler could have it known that he'd been hyped, mean and outsmarted or made a fool of. And worse, a hustler could never afford to have it demonstrated that he could be bluffed, that he could be frightened by a threat, that he lacked nerve. West Indian Archie knew that some young hustlers rose in stature in our world when they somehow hoodwinked older hustlers, then put it on the wire for everyone to hear. He believed I was trying that. In turn, I knew he would be protecting his stature by broadcasting all over the wire his threat to me. Because of this code, in my time in Harlem, I'd personally known a dozen hustlers who threatened left town disgraced.

53:53 Once the wire had it, any retreat by either of us was unthinkable. The wire would be awaiting the report of the showdown. Huh. So this is your own Malcolm X. He claimed that he hit a number and the guy that ran the numbers, if I said numbers, there's a huge component of black culture in that time. Not as much now because you have the legal lottery. But he claimed that he hit a number, Archie said he didn't, so now they're at an impasse. And to save face, Archie has to call Malcolm out, who was known at Detroit Red at the time.

54:34 And this thing he referred to multiple times is the wire. The wire, the wire. The wire is what social media is now. Or what we say the streets, like they say the streets is talking. You still hear the song, heard it through a grapevine. This is what they're talking. This was like the social media of that time. And once it got on the wire that you had been played, you have to say face. And that's what it's all about. Now, it's still the same thing. It's not most of them not about money. It's about this image that you created one being Detroit red, the other one being Western Archie, which are.

55:17 caricatures or I'm for lack of I lose I don't have a lack of better word, but just caricatures of themselves or Alter egos, that's the word. I'm looking for these alter egos that you build up for yourself on the streets That's why every rapper has alter ego if you notice sometimes multiple ones because it's like you have Curtis Jackson Do you have 50 cents 50 cents can't get played, you know West is the Archie can't get played Detroit red can't get played So now the wire is waiting to see Did he get played? Who's the foe? Right, right. Exactly. Is the wire, so, and I completely understand the wire at that time might have been barber shops and guy on the corner to the next guy. Telephones. Telephones. And did now

56:02 Did that come back in hip-hop as like a real wire that ran through the songs or is it always kind of maintained that street level and it may have it may be as you said social media today does it still exist in the old form of the wire? No, well, I mean it's all about technology and how it could be utilized. So at that time it was the telephone. Okay, and then when you had music come about you had It go on wax and you're saying they always say the term on wax off wax like on wax beef It was just like talking junk, but it would jump off a wax because you saw this with the Tupac and Biggie thing Once it gets to a point one guy sleeping with the other lot while God's wife or claiming their sweet sleep with other guys wife Something has to happen You had a point now of not really a racial thing ammo Something's got to happen in every group where that shit. Yeah, I mean

56:53 And I'm glad you allied me because I'm open on home. Boom. It's the same thing with Roger Stone General Flynn We don't fold, we don't rap. You know what I'm saying? There's certain things that the street respects about Donald Trump and his cohorts. And Cohen was looked at like a rat. It's like, bro, how you gonna rap to your man Trump? It was a very bad look because he's Mean because I'm looking at through the streets eyes, and it's like no you you can't rat I mean you you did dirt with this dude I mean you his lawyer for God's sake and you out here. You're saying you out here ratting I mean, but you know the general Flynn that would be considered soldiers right you

57:40 the irony in that, I mean, but they were considered soldiers because they didn't tell. They didn't take the easy way out, you know, they rode. So this face saving face thing, I mean, it's big in all cultures, especially masculine driven cultures. So I just wanted to say that. That's cool. I enjoy hearing that. Thank you. All right, so now you have West Indian Archie in Detroit red are bound to have a face off and we'll hear about it in 1.2 The next thing I knew West Indian Archie was standing before me cursing me loud his gun on me He was really making his public point floor showing for the people. He called me foul names threatened me Everyone bartenders customers sat or stood as though carved drinks in midair the jukebox in the rear was going

58:29 I had never seen West Indian Archie high before. Not a whiskey high. I could tell it was something else. I knew the hustler's characteristic of keying up on dope to do a job. I was thinking, I'm gonna kill Archie. I'm just gonna wait until he turns around to get the drop on him. I could feel my own 32 resting against my ribs where it was tucked under my belt beneath my coat. West Indian Archie seeming to read my mind quit cursing and his words jarred me. You're thinking you're gonna kill me first, Red. But I'm gonna give you something to think about. I'm 60. I'm an old man. I've been to Sing Sing. My life is over. You're a young man. Kill me, you're lost anyway. All you can do is go to prison. I've since thought that West Indian Archie may have been trying to scare me into running to save both his face and his life. It may be that's why he was so high.

59:36 No one knew that I hadn't killed anyone, but no one who knew me including myself would doubt that I'd kill. Wow, that's a great story. This goes to show you if this would have went left, we could have not had one of our greatest leaders in history. Make it to the point where he was able to realize you know saying Who he really was mm-hmm? You know and what value he brought so this is why I'm passionate about the young man I think there's a lot of redeemable young men out there It just takes

1:00:15 guidance and this is why the father no father in the home and you know parent fathers family back together a Parent privilege. It's so important now we have to get to the So-called white people that love to bring up black on black. Oh, hey now it's Adams portion of the show. Okay? Well, no, I'm messing with amazing how you know say it's amazing how Black people are demonized when they have standoffs like Detroit Red and West End and Archie have, but not so much if they're gunslingers. Okay, shall we roll it? Yes, please.

1:01:03 The tense prolonged drama of the Western gunfight. It is a scene played over and over, not only in books and on the screen, but also in our imagination. Well, the classic Western gunfight that's in our mind is of two men facing off in the street with a camera angle underneath one person's leg looking at the other one. The good guy, he lets the bad guy draw first and then of course the good guy ends up drawing and shooting the bad guy between the eyes. End of story. When we think of Western gunfighters, we think of the classic Western gunfight. Problem is it simply never happened.

1:01:47 I don't know of a single time in Western history where two guys were actually dumb enough to get out in the middle of the street and challenge each other to a draw. You could get killed like that. Yeah, so true though. Yeah, of course. It's that is interesting if black black cowboy guy black guys in cowboy movies It's never really strange You know walking around with guns because they got the the hats on and the spurs and it's all good, right? Bath bath Reeves one the baddest man ever walk. I'm saying Exactly But if as you can see here all about narrative even though it didn't go down that way They can rewrite history

1:02:32 And that's what happened here. And we're gonna look, we start looking, we gotta look at history. I'm not a big history person, even though I play a lot of clips from history. I'm about what narratives survive from history. That's what piques my interest. Like, why are we talking about what we're talking about now and not the other 10 interesting things that get buried? Who's pushing this narrative? So, to explain the Western culture or the wild, wild West, they had to, you know, um, civilize it. Like I'm calling you out, you know, meet me outside at high noon pilgrim. You know what I'm saying? It's like, what? It's like, that's not even how it went down. But the fact that that's programmed into my mind, it's like, I look at black people to do the same thing. Hey, Detroit Red, meet me outside. It's like, all I just look at them is two thugs.

1:03:26 But now, this is real white supremacy here. There's something really honorable about a gunfight the way you imagine it in the movies where they're standing face to face and exactly said that shot from through one guy's leg to see the other guy. That always has like this dueling kind of honest man thing. You calling me yeller? These terms that just bleed over to our mind. And not a racist term by the way. No, but if you have two black men call each other out in the streets that have honest grievances and they just shoot it out, it's seen as, oh, that's barbaric. You know, this is this narrative that I'm talking about. And the crazy thing is, glove slingers don't even exist. They're not even a real thing. That's just the movies. The power of the narrative. All right. Are we going to find out where this came from then?

1:04:22 Yeah, but before I continue on, I want to go back to one point and on the on the world watch front that we do. So what you have here, the super that the thug is the product of the general, the call the gender war. Now it's result itself in a generational war. Yeah, because the children have been charged up against men older men And that's why you're seeing it play out in the streets like nest I wanted to make that point before we got away for too far away from the West Indian Archie and Detroit Red Clip there's always gonna be enmity between older men and younger men, but it's only Heightened by the mother

1:05:03 you know, shaping the young boy's mind against the older male, i.e. the father. Right. So I just want to say that point. Yeah, that flows over. Of course, that flows over. So me, it's like now I'm 56. I'm definitely a guy to be hated. Naturally, I mean, this is part of nature. I mean the younger bulls and the younger lions, you know, they're gonna look to test the older ones, but that's what separates us from animals is that when we work with the previous generations and other genders that, you know, make a better civilization and better society. So I just want to go back to that because I just want to lay that out because

1:05:45 All that we talk about is going to be gender war, generational war, or race war. Right. So, all right, so let's get into Wild West Part 2. But there is certainly a grain of truth behind the gunslinger legend. And finding it takes us to the western frontier in the second half of the 19th century. It was a lawless time when the harsh and grimy reality of life came to favor those who were fearless with a gun. The willingness to step to the edge is what determined whether or not a man had what it took.

1:06:28 If you think of the quote from the novel, The Shootist, J.B. Books, the protagonist says, most men will hesitate before they pull the trigger. They'll blink an eye or take a breath. I won't. In the old west, shootist was a common term for the men who made their reputations with guns. The word gunfighter appeared as early as 1870, but did not come into wide use until later. The word gunslinger is probably a creation of the 20th century. Researchers at Merriam-Webster's have traced it no further than the famous author Zane Gray, who used it in his novel Nevada, written in 1928.

1:07:15 The gunslinger by any name was the product of a society in which guns were essential tools from the very beginning. Yeah, no doubt that is our culture. That is our American culture for sure. So if you take young men And you show them these images. Yeah, you have no no fork counterbalance force there to explain to them what they're saying and to explain to them about being Positive or not even positive but righteous in your actions I mean because even with clean these would came is like okay. I get it you know

1:08:03 Those guys are bad. Even though Clint's kind of bad, you know, they will hire him to clean up the town. We don't get any of that counterbalance there. Now, I want to go back to controlling language. Gunslinger is a creation of the 20th century. Yes. I've never heard the term shoot us before no no no I had not heard that either shoot us no that was new to me too we need to start referring to you know black on black are they just shoot us this is shoot us culture you know something like that I mean but it's amazing the narrative of how it could just be explained away

1:08:45 how certain cultures gain their way in America and it's like oh in those rough times it was decided by the gun and guns were critical tools and I'm not justifying any of this I'm just saying this is the environment. The Shootist was a John Wayne movie. Really? Yeah, the Shootist. I'm not the excuse me. I'm not the film buff It's not like it's just going to be bird over here just to date myself Wikipedia the Shootist is a 76 1976 American Western film directed by Don Siegel It is notably known as John Wayne's final film role and he is John Wayne Lauren Bacall. He's the Shootist so

1:09:29 That is interesting, but just you know just throwing it out there because that always gives us context when we find the root the roots of these words And it's the shared mentality of a cow like Billy the kid and somebody a young kid now You know I have my gun my gun is the only thing that allows me not to become a victim And ain't always is me and my gun right that's the mentality so how can we look down on the premise of how they got there, and also considering all the things that shaped their environment that we talked about in the last 47 episodes. But hopefully, you know, it explains it a little bit. But it doesn't just stop in the Wild Wild West either.

1:10:12 And neighborhood turf was absolutely everything, the gang members. And I think probably a good guess for the average age of a gang member was probably about 16 or 17, probably down to as low as 12. I mean they did every possible thing that you could do. At the time, the corruption was unbelievable when you really get into the history of it. The people must be made to understand that all these things are best kept within what I like to call the Tammany family, which is why I'm talking about the alliance between our two great organizations. We're talking about muscle work. That's it. Muscle to match our spirit. You want the crushers? Get them to do it. The police? Oh no, Jesus, no! The appearance of the law must be upheld. Especially while it's being broken. It was a time when the line between criminal and hero and decent human being and not so decent human being were very muddy and murky. Yeah. Yeah.

1:11:14 This is from a movie right? Oh Liam Neeson. Oh Liam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is from Gang of America. I mean gangs in New York. Yeah, but do you listen how they were talking about it? Oh, yeah, you know the lines were murky then and oh they did every I mean even um Leonardo DiCaprio he chuckles when he talks about his oh Yeah, they did everything So it's this mentality of like every other culture And you hear this a lot when you talk about black and black crown the retort is well the kennedys got rich off of liquor uh the bushes got rich off of cocaine uh i mean and stealing oil and those kind of things so these people are aware of american history not the ones on the boots on the ground but it's a couple things i want to point out in that clip

1:12:04 He says that, I think they're talking to Boss Tweed and he says, won't you get the rollers to... Rollers, I think it's another word for cops at the time. He's like, won't you get them to do it? It's like, no, no, no, no, no. We need muscle. That's the third wave. That's the third wave we're talking about right there. You're right. It is the third wave, right. Yeah. You want to re-explain that? So the third wave is, okay, we have a Black Lives Matter Inc. or Black Ink protest. The first wave are, you know, the Black Lives Matter... It's the suburban kids who mean well are under-informed and over-socialized. Well, I think the first wave of the activists are the true hardcore, well-trained Marxists. By their term, we're super trained or super versed in Marxism. So they're on the group. They're the first wave.

1:13:03 And then you have the second wave or the agent provocateurs, the ones that break the glass. Now we've seen that they can come from either side, the right or the left, because we've seen some stories there. But then the third wave are the actual people who criminal element. Yeah. Well, let me play it back to make sure that I got it right, because we had this conversation already. I want to know. And the third wave is literally the people who have In the beginning of the show we're saying, like Tupac said, take, take, take. That's what Trump does. All these guys do it when they get the opportunity. The windows were broken. We didn't break the windows, but now it's open. People go, we're going to take. This is what everybody does. That is the American way. That I think is your point about the third wave.

1:13:51 That's my whole point. It's kind of like when they have, you know, we go to other nations like these non-governmental organizations, that would be the third wave. It's like, you know, the government came in and destabilized and, you know, robalized, the word you like to use. But now we're going to clean up. And now if we have to, now if we take, you know, make a profit off of it, it is what it is. It's here for the taking. That kind of thing. So it's the same, it's the same mentality. But it's just amazing I want to point this final point out of Liam Neeson. This is the same guy that says after he thought a black man had raped one of his friends or she told him he raped him, he walked the streets for weeks looking for a black man to beat up and attack. But then he laughs all criminality when it's done by other people. It's just amazing the hypocrisy. So I'm just saying, when you say black on black crime, remember that America is rooted in criminal activity and

1:14:49 criminal mindset, you know from the very beginning because it was strong only the strong survive I mean like I'm not Taking away anything. I'm just saying that's the reality Let me throw something at you As a so-called white man in America, of course I recognize the criminal activity and as I said earlier and she knew the plot of the political system and elements and politics are incredibly criminal and It's interesting, I know that if I really had wanted to or if I was younger if I wanted to, I know that I could achieve that level of criminality and I would understand it and I'm just shooting from the hip here so I don't know if this is gonna go anywhere.

1:15:32 It's like I would be familiar like okay, but you know these are a bunch of douchebags and they're not going to shoot me. The worst I can get from them is they're going to steal from me indirectly and they might send me or my kids off to war. Then when you see you know like the like music videos or Tupac juice the juice movie like I can never be that and I and it's true I can never be that because I can never be that you see and That is by itself really scary because I don't know what that Person is maybe capable of whereas I can identify with that person over there and that seems much less and it's and by the way, it's truly racist thinking and

1:16:22 But that's what it is. It's really interesting. This is systemic racism. When you rewrite history. No, you know what it is? It's just ignorance. It's ignorance. I look at the world so differently after 47 episodes. My life has changed. I've been doing the work. I'm talking about the people that built the system where you could think that way. To think It's fantastic. That's so smart. It is, right? I mean, genius. Hey, yeah, I'm not taking anything away from the architecture of it. I'm just telling you what the system is. And it's we're designing to say two behaviors would be seen totally different by who's doing the behavior. And this is probably seeing that now. Go ahead. This is probably one of the most important episodes we've done. I know I said it before.

1:17:17 But when you come to the realization that the system really has been set up for you to believe these things, and you know obviously I know a lot of this is reinforced through entertainment and media, but most people can never step back and see that vast difference. There may be people right now listening going, I don't quite get it. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, you have to step back. It's like holy shit, that's absolutely true. But, and this is the good point. For me the good thing is when you think about it, when you've had to think about it, your thinking is changed forever. That's good news. Yeah because you see it from the other, and likewise if you come up

1:16:22 But that's what it is. It's really interesting. This is systemic racism. When you rewrite history. No, you know what it is? It's just ignorance. It's ignorance. I look at the world so differently after 47 episodes. My life has changed. I've been doing the work. I'm talking about the people that built the system where you could think that way. To think It's fantastic. That's so smart. It is, right? I mean, genius. Hey, yeah, I'm not taking anything away from the architecture of it. I'm just telling you what the system is. And it's we're designing to say two behaviors would be seen totally different by who's doing the behavior. And this is probably seeing that now. Go ahead. This is probably one of the most important episodes we've done. I know I said it before.

1:17:17 But when you come to the realization that the system really has been set up for you to believe these things, and you know obviously I know a lot of this is reinforced through entertainment and media, but most people can never step back and see that vast difference. There may be people right now listening going, I don't quite get it. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, you have to step back. It's like holy shit, that's absolutely true. But, and this is the good point. For me the good thing is when you think about it, when you've had to think about it, your thinking is changed forever. That's good news. Yeah because you see it from the other, and likewise if you come up

1:18:10 On the other side of that coin, you say, how can they not see it? But when you achieve a certain level in America, And you're not faced with it day by day, then you understand or some people don't understand. They just say, oh, I brought put myself by my own bootstraps. You know, I put myself in this position to succeed. No, you were very lucky because you didn't get the full brunt of what the system does. That's the only like I said, the only thing that protected me was My parents my parental privilege. That's it because they made me who realized who I was what was out there How to navigate the system And I had a lot of praying prayer people for me. I'm gonna be honest with you because like I said one

1:19:03 One bad turn and easily you get caught up in that system and it people think oh, well, you're not getting 20 years for you No, no smoking a joint, but it's a slippery slope once you get in that system Yeah, you never can get out because it's cumulative now is one thing next thing and a lot of guys are in jail rather just finish their sentence in jail because they understand the system. It's like I'm not going to your probation or your prose. Right, just let me get all the way out. Now you're on a monitoring for another six years and the more you test, the more popular. So I'll just sit it out here that's better. That's interesting.

1:19:40 Yeah, and it's a real occurrence. But just to get back to the gang of new... Go ahead. No, I was gonna say, just going back to the criminal justice reform, a lot of that is early parole, early parole, early parole, which, if I hear you correctly, in some percentage of cases, maybe majority, is actually bad because that's where you get the more testing, more cases, and there's so much risk without a, I don't know, Just seems like that's where your recidivism comes from. Well, yeah, because the old criminal justice system, you do 10 days in jail, pay your fine, and then you're done. But now it's like, no, we're going to give you two years probation. Okay, so you're going to give a 16-year-old two years of, call it what it is, monitoring, OTG guy, you know what I'm saying? Monitoring and say, okay, if they slip up, then we're going to

1:20:32 hit him with a stiffle penalty. I would rather go to jail for 10 days and just be done with it, you know, if it didn't affect my record, I mean my long-term record. I would just rather get it over with, but this is the system, you know, it's no win in this system. Another thing you don't think about, now a good friend of mine did actually go to jail and white-collar crime and he went away for I think 18 months and so I got a real I'd never used what is it called Pay message a pay and J message, which is you know the jail I'll collect calls well collect call. Oh, yeah, but you have to send Credits to him and even to reply to a message He didn't have any email to reply to a message I had to give him credits like a dollar an email a message he could send something back to me and I

1:21:27 He would write to me and of course that would always arrive opened and all that crap. But forget that. His parole period and the shackles that he has, metaphorically speaking, are insane. And it's been hard for him to get his life back together because he was on one higher end You know, he was doing business stuff. So no one wants to do business with him because he's got a record. Oh, he got to check the box. He has to check the box. That's right. He can't raise money through the traditional means because of the box. Yeah. So let me have one quick aside before we continue with this clip about the box. I've known several people to not check the box

1:22:18 Show up to work be great employees some of the best employees I mean when I was working though and warehouses and things that nature during college and then they come to find out they run their background check on them and then they walk them out, but I'm like Come on. You wouldn't have made it in the door if he does check the box Yeah, now that you he's proven himself to be reliable. I'm probably more reliable than you know people that didn't have that hanging over their head and And it's like, oh no, you're a felon. Get him out of here. It's like, but you worked with this guy for two months. I mean, he's a great guy. No, get him out of here. So, like I said, this is the system. This is the system. So let's just get back into the games in New York part two.

1:23:14 He pulled the strings. He controlled the gangs to the degree that the gangs were an unofficial arm of enforcement. The gangs were not officially on the city payroll, but certainly some of the gangs function as if they effectively were on the city payroll. And they work for whoever happened to be wielding the most power. That's how gangs operate, you know, besides protecting themselves in their turf they are available for hire to whoever holds the club and And since we did he effectively hold controlled the gangs Once again notice boss tweed This alter ego. Yeah, you know, he didn't go by his regular name. It was bought I mean that his name had to ring bells in the streets and

1:24:06 And so you go by this moniker and your moniker really gets bigger than you know saying your personality Gets bigger or the persona gets bigger than who you really are So I'm just I'm just wrapping it up like when you start when you start want to start pointing a finger at black on black crime Hey Everybody in America had criminal elements in their so-called race So I mean so just chill with that and I'm I ask this question. I don't have an answer to it. I But is black people just going through this because we're delayed and we're going through our wild west phase now? I'm asking, I mean it's a legitimate question right? I mean because

1:24:45 At some point you had, you know, the McCoys and the Hatfields. You know, I mean, these things progressed and then, you know, America became more civilized. So I'm just wondering is it a delayed effect with so-called black people? I'm just asking. I don't know. I'm not saying I'll leave one side or the other. Well, let's address it for a second because earlier, yes, well, when we played the gangs of New York, I mean, as far as I know from the time period, there were no black people to be in the gang because they had other jobs, quote unquote jobs. So that's why they weren't there. So it's that's an interesting question if that is a process of maturation as

1:25:28 as a human group, you know, as a human, because obviously you're a group of people, you share a lot with everybody else, but shit yeah, you got a big delay on a lot of stuff. It's very possible. I mean that's something you need to ask, you know, like Bret Weinstein or something, you know, some social biologist guy. That's a great, oh I almost said it, but it's a pretty damn good question. I don't know. And who knows we might be on our way to our own Harvests or Yales or Columbias. I'm out in China and I find that the grandfather of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, his name was Warren Delano, was the opium king of China. The fortune that Franklin Delano Roosevelt lived off of, custom-made suits, nice houses, sailboats, vacations, summer homes,

1:26:19 He didn't make that money. He inherited from Grandpa Warren Delano, the opium king of China. Cabot House at Harvard, opium. Skull and Bones at Yale, opium. The Low Library at Columbia, opium money. If you go on the Princeton website, at least they're honest, they will admit that their first biggest benefactor, John Green, was an opium dealer with Warren Delano. The book is full of surprises. I'll let you judge it didn't change my view about America so much What it did is change my view about American historians, huh? All right, so tell my first all dope money to tell you when I my first thought when I heard that so back to the maturation process So let's just say you've got 50 years at least delay in in the modern gangster society at least

1:27:15 So now you've got a new type of opium, it's fentanyl and maybe this is your time. This is your time to build up big fentanyl empires and the Chinese are feeding it. There's only one problem. There's no bottom for us to sell to. We were the bottom for all those other groups. Right. There's nobody behind us for us to sell to so we sell to ourselves so we taking money out of one pocket and put it into the other pocket on the same pair of pants. Yeah, that's all that's happening because I always allude back to this pivotal scene in The Godfather and excuse me for saying this but he said keep it down there with the niggers. That's what he said. The same person that made the Gangs of New York, Martin Scorsese.

1:28:16 So I'm just saying like that the tether and we're at the bottom and and and as I'll prove later in this show Black men is the are the bottom of the bottom It hurts me when you say that. That really hurts when you say that, but I understand what you're saying in a generalization way. Absolutely. So what I'm saying is this, I'm not saying it as a death sentence, I'm just saying that this is the prognosis. It's like, you're fighting for your life with whatever ailment. Now can we win? Can we beat it? Of course.

1:28:52 I'm not saying we could beat anything, but it's like you have to have an accurate diagnosis of the problem before you can even start to treat it. And it is so accurate when you look at what is happening today. I asked Joe Rogan, I said, name one black leader of, one male leader in Black Lives Matter. Is there any black man you know who is leading the charge in any type of movement at this moment? And he said, no, I don't even know who Black Lives Matter's leaders are. I said, you know, colors. No. Okay, he kind of knew that. But yeah, he had to admit. I said, that's the problem. That's the problem. That's the real victim here.

1:29:33 And the solution is this conversation we're having here, Adam. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. That's right. In the words of Malcolm X, that is the only way we'll do it and that's what we attempt to do every single episode of MOFAX with Adam Curry.

1:59:39 Now we have to get into the mindset and the system that we referred to earlier that's being played on so-called black people. So there's this very popular YouTuber called Deza Noah, and he speaks about this phenomenon in Reliving 2016 and Jacob Blake. Let's break down the confabulations here. First and foremost, in order for blacks to have a respected voice, we must demonstrate a balanced and unconditional concern for our community. As a group, it has miserably failed at this required step. How? Well, let's focus on the word unconditional. We seem to only have rage against injustice under specific conditions.

2:00:30 These are if a non-black or white action violates a black body, though we by habit tend to ignore when we violate our own. There is a curse of enmity between us spiritually and an engineered psychological trauma induced systemically. But thy life shall hang in doubt before thee, and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life. See, blacks have become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword. Blackness is bought and sold as a product. Generationally, our culture has been and continues to be formulated through the establishment media machine. And visuals of cops killing blacks is just part of the psychological traumatization, which in turn produces a black victimhood and perpetuates a state of generational victimization.

2:01:34 I think I've seen this guy, maybe the Twitter algo threw me that or something. Tell me again what the YouTube channel, I want to make sure we have that in the show notes. Daysanova, this is D-A-Y-Z of Noah. That's N-O-A-H. Very, very deep brother. Has a master's degree in sociology. It doesn't matter what his credentials are, but just to make sure people take him seriously. Because when you say YouTuber, that smacks of a certain... Yeah, it's only a little better than podcaster. Right, so they want to put you in a box But you have some very serious people as you're gonna hear later in this episode on YouTube making a case for the young black Male and the black male in general Yes And as he stated in here the only time as well as alluding to before the only time it really matters is when somebody of non-black descent kills a black person so we have to be unconditional with this so

2:02:35 Now we get to the portion of the show where, yeah, what about black on black crime? Because I mean that is coming from people like him, myself, that are serious about having that conversation, not using it as a tool of deflection. We really have to look at what's going on here. So he like he broke it down. He was like that basically The trauma feeds into making us victims. The victimhood feeds into devaluing our life and then it results into a devalued life. Sees another person as devalued life like we saw in Juice saying, I'm not it. You know what I'm saying? You're less than me, you know, so I can take you out anytime. That's the cycle. And this is why you see over and over again

2:03:27 Black young black men callously taking other young black men's lives So I mean it is a realization and we spotted the system now is just bringing attention to this system that there's been identified So now we are speaking of juice. He makes a reference to that as well in this next clip Oh, but you blacks keep killing other blacks. Why don't you ever address that? Oh We hear that all the time. Though this is true, and one of my personal arguments as well, I understand why. And this why is rarely addressed. So let's address it. Let's put this argument to bed for good with three words. Pathological generational desensitization.

2:04:15 See, through generations of socially pitting blacks against blacks through pigmentation, class, and phenotype, a self-hatred is psychologically created. If you hate yourself, you will hate your brother and your sister. In addition to this internal abuse, externally, blacks have become desensitized to killing other blacks through a strategic and ubiquitous debased death culture. A culture of death, where murder and intracultural conflict is glorified. If you got the juice, you get the respect.

2:04:59 Yeah As he said it's a generational thing, you know, it's constant generational desensitization. Yeah, it's I'm at a loss for words because here we are You have young black men died in the street No one really cares except for how they can extract and use it for currency to push their their own narrative and causes if they died in the right way and as And exactly and as he said as the Producer wrote in the letter you hear people say all your light-skinned, you know, you're acting light-skinned it so you have all these different fractures and Battling points, you know your light skin your dark skin you're at in dark skin black is ugly You know, this is within the race. We haven't even stepped outside and start talking about interracial relationships. This is all intra and

2:06:02 And this is what devalues the, you know, devalues black life in itself. And if you notice, Black Lives Matter doesn't say black people matter or black men matter. It's black lives. Lives is a product now. It's a product. It's just like MLK or anything else. It's you know, um How does it impact black lives? I mean no, how does it impact humans people, you know, but they don't they want to dehumanize them for their own, uh, own purposes and like I said We'll get to that later. It's it's a very certainly but it's a very sophisticated productization Yeah, because who are we talking about? We say lives. I mean you could

2:06:46 We even heard them say when they talk about what they're trying to change at their tech talks a while back in a few shows, I mean like early on in the making of the show, they went off on global warming and all these other things, but never said black men. Never. And I know I'm harping on black men. No, no, no, no. But I want you to thank you again because this, because that's something that's so bothersome about black lives. It is actually a degenerative generalization Black people would have been, you know, of course that somehow would be racist. I'm sure But they'd never it's dehumanized by say because what are the other you know? It's like so many lives were lost on the good ship Titanic, you know, it's like it doesn't really personalize it in any way and what it also does when they say black lives matter you can move the goalposts and

2:07:45 Because yeah, we brought you it's like the latest was it called the lost leader? Black man of the lost leader. Yes, you do the door. It's like oh, yeah, come on in now Let's talk about trans lives and let's talk about how global warming affects people of color and you know It's like it gets you in the door and you shift what lives mean When you talk about that's very that's a very important point. That's a very important point. I Because they don't want to wear it, that's why their business model is... Yeah, and their business model is... Yeah, and I understand, and that's what's so frustrating for black men, it's like, do y'all not understand? But now when it starts to affect other demographics, people start realizing like, wow, you know, or we start to get a voice because what happened is here,

2:08:36 Before with the boule they could pick who they want to talk for us, right? But now when you bring up this top topic of black on black crime and death of black men and those things of nature You have people like days of Noah other gentlemen that we played on the show even myself say no no no no You're not gonna control the narrative about us. I We're going to control this narrative. That's what caused the political fraction in the Democratic Party or the black voting Democrats, because black men say, no, if it doesn't address us, we're not for it. You know, usually they just tell us to shut up and vote. I mean, you heard people say those literal words, shut up and vote. But now we're saying no, unless it addresses us, unless it's tangible, unless you have a tangible way you can drive down the number of lives lost,

2:09:21 We'll take it from here. We'll talk for ourselves. I think it's lives. It's lives saved or created I believe is the term That's how politicians measure stuff Yeah, yeah, that is good, but just so you know cuz I and of course, you know, but I want to reiterate it. Mm-hmm, right? So black men are saying why don't they see what's going on because we literally didn't Because we're all wrapped up in our own shit, obviously. And in all fairness, the people doing the speaking inside those rooms were not allies to us Black men. No, of course not. Even though they shared the same pigment and melanin in their skin, it's like, we're going to for our gender first. You know, we have an opportunity here. And just to foreshadow a little bit, we saw this with the VP selection.

2:10:21 It wasn't about stopping black men getting killed. You know, I mean it was like we want a black female president. I mean vice president, excuse me. But we'll get to, we'll get there. But let's let Deza Noah finish up speaking on creating culture. See, decades upon decades of this type of detrimental programming has rendered the black culture into a zealous or a boorish taking pride and eating its own tail. This is why it's so easy for blacks to kill blacks and not feel injustice. Because for decades, black-on-black conflict has been justified through establishment-controlled media, major motion pictures, and the music industry.

2:11:13 We can always refer back to our studies on Plato, our studies on Algeus Huxley, and many others in their focus on how music alone has a spiritual power and can literally condition the spirit and the mind through sound and melody. These things aren't to be debated. This is why the music industry is so heavily utilized to socially engineer the public and create culture single-handedly. He's good. That guy's good. I like him There you have it. They've used culture or so-called culture I mean, it's a very toxic really it's a culture of death and I want to say this is a cult of death Let me let me correct that because Kali ma remember thugs come from thuggy Thuggy comes from India, which was a cult that worshiped Kali ma. Mm-hmm which was the destroyer God or goddess however, you want to look at it and

2:12:15 This deaf cult continues on. Now you have black men call themselves thugs and they kill. They're a deaf cult because that's all they're taught through music, film. I mean, we were dressed to hear juice, hip hop. I mean, we were dressed to all of this. But I know you people are saying, well, that's a YouTuber, Moe. You're a YouTuber too. So let's go to the real serious people in the field. His next set of clips is from Tom Borreo. I don't know if you ever heard of him or not. I'm probably sure you have, but I'm not sure if you have or not. I think, uh, yes, I think so. Big ad guy. Big ad guy. Ah, yes, yeah, I know exactly what you mean, of course. Yeah.

2:12:56 He is Thomas J. Burrell, the founder and chairman emeritus of Burrell Communications Group, one of the first black-owned and operated advertising firms in the country. Started in 1971 to target the African American market, Burrell Communications has conducted advertising campaigns for such major brands as Marlboro, McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Johnson Products, and Verizon, and helped revolutionize the image of African Americans in television advertising. He was inducted into the American Advertising Federation Hall of Fame in 2005, and since retiring from Burrell Communications, he has used the information he acquired during his 45 years in the advertising business to address some of the major challenges facing African Americans today. Yes, I remember the agency Burrell McBain.

2:13:50 That was the agency, that was this famous, famous agency and they were actually competitor to my company at the time because we were with Omnicom and they sold to Publicis. Yes, a legend in advertising. Clio winner. He won a Cleo thing back in the early 70s with a McDonald's spot. He sold McDonald's. That's right. I remember that. Which makes me look at him side-eyed. My Buleo meter, I got it all fired up. We'll let him talk. But when I start to look into the Burrell

2:14:35 Advertisement on the community, excuse me communications. They did an ad for McDonald's recently It was called the good fight and it said the spot featured a real-life boxing coach and his daughter As he literally puts her through the paces with the message that better does not happen overnight and it goes on down It said this but it says as a parallel McDonald took their classic chicken nuggets to the next level by taking out artificial flavors colors and preservatives It says the spot also aired on the 2016 Olympics in Rio amidst the black girl magic. So I

2:15:11 Here we have it. We can't have a black father and a black son going through the paces. I also question him like, okay, for 45 years you sold these little nuggets with artificial flavoring and coloring in it. So I'm just saying, I gotta be fair when I look at these people. But we're gonna let him speak And he has some valid points to make, one being on the false advertisement of race. That's the topic of his new book, Brainwashed, challenging the myth of black inferiority, which was recently published by Smiley Books. Welcome. Good to be here, Cheryl.

2:15:51 Tom, in your book, you try to answer a question that has bedeviled many people before you, which is, why do African Americans continue to lag behind other groups in so many aspects of American life? And your conclusion is an intriguing one. that a 400-year-old marketing campaign to promote white superiority and black inferiority has resulted in a deep-seated, internalized black inferiority complex that is keeping African Americans from achieving many of their goals. This is the brainwashing you're talking about in your book? Yes. Cheryl, America has been sold a bill of goods through false advertising.

2:16:34 the myth of black inferiority, the big lie that there is an inherent inferiority that exists within a race of people. That is something that has been created in order to justify, originally justify slavery within a democracy. And we see it borne out every day from morning till night Throughout our media media is the major carrier of the message the media is the messenger Hey, wait a minute is he flip-flopping now, what's he doing? He's like hey, by the way all that all that stuff I did that was really bad and someone else did it I guess no he what okay? Let me explain to him. Let me let me grab my bullet cap back here. Oh

2:17:29 All right, put it on right. Put it on right. You got it on right? Okay. All right. Wow, handsome. You look so powerful. He looks so powerful all of a sudden, Mr. Mobile. Thank you. Thank you. What the Boule tries to do here is after 45 years of aiding and abetting the system that we spoke about, which let's be honest here, white supremacy as we define it on the show, the system, after 45 years of supporting, aiding and abetting it, and even, oh, what, as she said in his bio, revolutionizing how blacks are seen in advertisement. Now I didn't say positive, negative, but he just revolutionized it. So... It's revolutionizing either way, sure. Right, right, either way, she didn't really say what they're trying to do now is... Hold on, hold on, keep that Boulay hat on. Keep the Boulay hat on. Yeah, so what I have to do is say this,

2:18:24 See, Adam, my children don't suffer from the black inferiority complex you see here, so I want to point out they're different than most common black folks. Okay, I got it. And so I had to do this sweet little trick here where I won't point back to the history of the television to now. I'll jump all the way back to slavery. You see, he's absolved himself of any responsibility by saying, oh it's slavery. It's not, you know, father not being home, we're selling you poisonous food, like with the Blitzpoint.

2:19:02 the sodas, music, television. No, it's not none of that, Adam. So I'll take my boulet hat off. Yeah, that's what he's trying to do. Take your boulet hat off and I just came up with a, well, I'm a conspiracy therapist, so I'm analyzing the situation. In 2013, Burrell, I think, I don't, Burrell Communications, so no longer Burrell McBain, but Burrell Communications launched Rising Tide, aspirational social network for Millennials sponsored by Tide. And I know a little about Tide. Ty Hamilton in college, my roommate, he taught me about Tide. So is it possible though that to flip the tables and just kind of like a wink-wink nudge-nudge that he continued with the Tide account and created a

2:19:57 a covert campaign that featured dumb shit white kids eating Tide pods? Do you think that that could have been something he had up his sleeve? I'll have to look into that quite possible, but what took me when you said rising tide. Oh, yeah, but that's a non-starter I know isn't it? That's the non-starter that you know, this is where this is where they're antiquated This go to show you that their mind says antiquated is not meant for the 21st century, right? Well, the guy is what they have to do is go back and rewrite history as we've seen with gunslingers and everything else. Yeah

2:20:36 no no no no no it wasn't the coca-cola and Marlboro of course not all these things that we saw the black community is slavery that's the problem he's which yeah go ahead yeah so it is a claim now people say well well Moe you're pro-reparation that's because it's a legal claim there What I'm saying is that, and I've said this before and I'll say it again, I don't care how many people get upset, the narrative of slavery is just as dangerous as the act itself. because it feeds into self-victimization. It bombards us with images of carrying out this whole myth of black inferiority daily, hourly, by the minute, constantly reinforcing it in all these different ways that we talk about in the book.

2:21:30 And these are the kinds of subtle images that we're constantly being bombarded with. And basically they've been effective, is what you're saying. They have been. It is the most effective advertising campaign in the history of this country. The myth, selling the myth of blights being inferior. And that's part of the brainwashing. But that part is not necessarily coming from the white culture, is it? Is that coming from the black culture? Well, the thing about brainwashing, Cheryl, is that once... A principle of brainwashing is that the brainwashed becomes the brainwasher. Becomes the brainwasher, okay. Right. The hurt

2:22:14 hurt the the abused become the abuser that is a that is a a natural component of brainwashing and so in all these areas We at some point in our history have taken on our own victimization We take it over. Yeah, oh man this guy not only he's still doing this his he still has a full-on agency that is driving change for social justice inequality and protecting our green spaces Right, but the self victimization like that's what does it that these itself? Yeah, you just and you can probably program it with some colors and

2:23:02 But isn't that what we call mind control? Yes, MK Alter, when we say these kind of things, but we have somebody behind the curtain. Tom Burrell was in those rooms making those decisions on what images to show black people, what would resonate with black people. You know, so He's part of the problem by now I think with any bullet member they get a guilty conscience. They need to rewrite history. They get into a we all do it when we get old, you know, we want to write our wrongs, but at the same time he doesn't want to take the responsibility.

2:23:39 for his actions. So they want to jump all the way back to slavery. Yeah, it's always back to slavery. It's like, no, let's start with it. Why from slavery to the 1950s did we thrive? He wants to get away from his part of it, obviously. Well, it's two things. One, he wants to get away from it, but also two, he doesn't want his children to bear the weight of blackness. You're gonna come to find out a lot of people don't want to use and carry that term black anymore And what comes along with it? So you have the bullae pulling away from the common black people or the ordinary black people Then you have black women pulling away from black men like oh, they're the problem They're the ones really killing each other not us let us in the whiteness Yeah, and when i'm talking i'm not talking about you every day running the mill, uh black women i'm talking about

2:24:32 That Coven that you're saying concocted. Oh, yo, we want a female vice president. That's what we really want That's that's really gonna show the chain. That's they want to pull away from blackness That's that's the thing and the rich want to pull away from blackness. And now all you have left is this Subset of black man. It's like oh, yeah. Yeah, let's use them Still useful Yeah. Yeah. Geez. Well, so, but this is it is so... I know I'm laughing but it's just like you gotta laugh. You gotta laugh. You gotta laugh. But you know, now the, so black Twitter of course I get, I got gray Twitter.

2:25:13 Man, we got to really examine some black advertising. Look, I work with this guy's agencies. I'll find out what account it was. We had some cross-work somewhere. I had a pretty big company back in the 80s, 90s. But now we really... And I feel very responsible for some things, MTV for sure. But we got to look at what some of these act with the act because you know, you know McDonald's is so much incredibly You know imagery to the brands Coca-Cola. Yeah. Yeah Diabetes. Yeah McDonald's diabetes hypertension Marlboro lung cancer

2:25:56 I think there was a alcohol company and I'm not mistaking. I don't put that on if I'm not for sure. I'm just saying but look at all these companies you advertise for to what to market to black people that lead to comorbidities that leave us right for when a pandemic comes. This is what happens. So the blood is on your hands. I don't I don't want to put this on you. It is what it is. And then you have the only way you can exist as a black man now in America is to be afraid of your life. Be afraid for your life. Check it out. Planned Parenthood, it's one of their clients. McDonald's, you're right. What is this? Seagram's Escapes? Liquor. Uh-huh. Cirrhosis of the liver. Coca-Cola. Alcoholism. GlaxoSmithKline. That's the remedy to the shit you get from the other clients. Exactly. So it's self-heating. But here it is, Infinity LGBTQ.

2:26:53 X I'm sorry Xfinity Xfinity LGBTQ is a is a Comcast channel, I guess. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay, it's fascinating We need to do this is gonna be a 13 hour show. This is just too good this stuff. Okay I don't mean to drag it out, but let's get into his His take on studs and sluts Another area you talk about is relationships between black men and women, and family dynamics. Certainly relationships between black men and women are known to have been troubled. African Americans certainly have a lower marriage rate than any other group. We have a lack of stable families, which has a big impact on both black children and adults.

2:27:43 you say that this is partly the result of popular culture which promotes black men as brutes and black women as sluts the studs and sluts campaign so you fast forward four hundred years and this theme seems, the studs and sluts theme seems to be carried out certainly in the music videos which are produced and acted in by black people Yes, and it's, you know, it's really, I want to believe that it's not a malignant kind of intention. I believe that it's insensitive. We have been conditioned to victimize ourselves.

2:28:32 with the use of the n-word denigrating misogyny denigrating our women killing each other this is part of the conditioning that nobody wants to talk about so mo yes now i feel now i see now i see why now damn That blew my mind. That blew my mind. Adam, one question. Do you know what the number one song in the country is right now or was maybe a week ago? I mean, what it was or what it whap, you tell me, Mo.

2:29:19 And does that not align with the studs and sluts narrative? Yes, Cardi B for anybody who was a not hip like me. And Megan Thee Stallion. Oh, Megan Thee Stallion. Some of the vilest. And like I said, I'm not easy to make blush, but I find I finally heard it on the radio, I'm like, and it's from Edith. The lyrics, I mean forget the video, the lyrics are, I mean, that's not just suggestive. And white girls will defend it. And white presidential candidates will go talk to these people. Bernie Sanders, you're right. And Joe Biden.

2:30:05 You know what the... when I called out a couple of my favorite millennials, white girls, and I said, why is this okay? What they said back to me, fair enough, was we've been hearing the same crap from black men for years. Fair point don't don't make it right don't know of course two wrongs don't that makes everything right now and in America But yeah, it doesn't make it right you're absolutely right and Nick and this is the point of women in society the point that makes them so important and The value you know they make us civil as we talked about the Wild West It was like who had that fastest gun you know if it's there for the taking we're gonna take it women keep us civilized and

2:30:55 In a way, you know, they keep us from that caveman mentality, hopefully Because they you know, they say the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world So a mother teaches you a don't don't take Satan be nice. Say, please those kind of things So if you raised up in a whap household, yeah, Jesus Christ without a father and do you wonder and you wonder why? But don't take my word for it. Listen to white Mike. I Now in this time I learned a lot of beautiful things about a lot of beautiful people. I learned a lot of ugly things about myself. And I learned a lot of dark things about the nation in which we live. But I also learned that I, being white Mike, specifically the white part, have a lot of power. White Mike has a question today and it's this. How come when you turn on the radio in Jacksonville or New Orleans or Chicago or Little Rock

2:31:46 The only people on the radio that talk about how great it is to kill each other are black. How come that exists? 15 stations on a dial, go up, go down. The only people on the radio bragging about getting automatic weapons, gunning each other down, are black. This right here is a song. My pastoral vocabulary won't let me read the title, but I will read this. Catch a young black male not paying attention at the red light with your AK-47. Let me see you shoot it. You're a killer, you're a killer, you're a killer, you're a killer black male. Let me see you prove it.

2:32:22 Why does this exist? Yeah, white Mike. I had not heard of white Mike. He looks pretty interesting So this is Mike Michael Reverend Michael Smith, and he's from the Ted Ted X Jacksonville. He's a pastor And he was the white guy in a predominantly black Environment so Somehow white Mike is a thing in most communities. There is a white Mike I don't know what is I think it stems from the way in brother show because they had a Of course, of course, yeah, I remember that I mean he he jokingly refers to himself as white Mike because they were like it was several mics in the church and

2:33:05 And he's like, have you seen Mike? And they're like, who? And they didn't know his last name. They're like, Black Mike. So it kind of stuck. But he brings up valid points. Why is it? That this kind of vulgarity. I'm not even gonna go there's this another show for another day the vulgarity and you know the sexualization but the murderer yeah in one breath and then you break up bring up a great point about um, Young white females how one minute they'll have black lives matter on you know all on their tick-tock Yeah, and in the next minute they're dancing to Walk Em Down, which is a very popular song now talking about how one black man walks down on another black man with the chopper. If you don't know what a chopper is, that's an AK-47. It's like, nah, a dry ball's not good enough. You gotta walk em down. They'll dance to that. Do choreography to that, but then tell you black lives matter. Are these people sick? I ask that in all seriousness. Well, it, you know, this of course started

2:34:08 Well hip-hop started nice and kind of, you know, kind of like friendly. And, you know, it was a hip-hop to the hibbit to the hibbit of hip-hop, you don't stop rockin' that. It was like that. Right. And then it just, you know, I think, if I think, because MTV, I'm trying to think if we did, didn't real gangster rap, it just seems, it was kind of, Friendly and late 80. Well, no, it was friendly at first jokingly Will Smith, haha, right, right, right Ditas those kind of things. Yeah, and then public enemy comes along Consciousness starts to bleed into it and they like oh no. Oh no

2:34:48 Oh, no, we can't have that. Yeah. Poison it. Poison the whale. And that's exactly what you had. And that's why you heard I rung my bell when Burrell was talking. He was like, well, you know, I don't want to think that was, you know, done on intention. He didn't say that. I think I think I forgot the word he used, but basically implying that he didn't want to step on his record industry friends toes. He knows it was done by design. Isn't it interesting that You can't post something on Twitter about hydroxychloroquine because it might, might kill you. But you can certainly post a snippet from any of these music videos.

2:35:33 Where's literally mean yeah, we're literally mean people said I'm gonna kill this guy actual killing I'm not but let's just do a one-to-one question correlation because the people say oh well That's you know that's not the same false equivalence. You could easily put your false equivalency so you can easily post about drinking lean which is prescription cough syrup nobody says anything But if you talk about hydroxychloroquine, oh, take them down. Take them down. Take them down now. So White Mike brings up the question is, where are the killer whites? I'll take it even further because a lot of time racism exists in what we don't know, what we don't see. Where are the white killers on the radio? Where are the white AK-47 shooters? Where are the white drug dealers?

2:36:23 Where are the white people on the radio that brag about what it's like to murder witnesses before trial? The truth is they don't exist. And the question is why? Why don't they exist? Do white people not kill people? Do white people not use AK-47s to shoot each other? I mean, do white people not do drugs? Do they not deal drugs? Of course they do. But why is it that it doesn't make it to our mainstream radio? Why is it that we don't hear it hundreds of times a day in hundreds of cities across the nation, thousands of plays that say the idea that a black guy would kill another black guy is something to be celebrated, something to be romanticized? Yeah, true that.

2:37:01 True that and just to make one point. I'm white mics on a roll. So I don't want to um, stop him too much I just want to make one valid point. Notice Eminem is the top probably selling in MC right now over to pot. He didn't have the thug mentality No, he rapped about killing his mom and taking prescription drugs It's like no if he if he'd a wrapped about the post Malone, let's just use you're saying who's popular now He doesn't rap about that kind of stuff. No, I So right so right pay attention people pay attention He's all right thrill seekers and maybe that maybe it's because there's no white audience for it Or maybe it's because it's not really marketable maybe because it's not good can't get sponsors I don't know why it is or maybe it's because it's just not the white man's role or maybe when white people get up and talk about being drug dealers and AK-47 killers, maybe it's even sicker than that. Maybe when white people do it they're accused of acting black and

2:37:58 The truth is in America, black murder is normal. Black murder is normal. The idea that a black man or a black woman would be involved in a homicide, either as a perpetrator or a victim, is so common, so broadly accepted, that it basically goes unnoticed. The truth of the matter is, black families are affected by homicide at rates of 10 times their white counterparts. There will be more death in the form of homicide involving black people this year than any other form of violence that dominates our national conversation. More than school shootings, mall shootings, mass shootings, workplace shootings, lover's twists, lover's trysts that turn violent and bloody. Even more than in war and in terrorism. No one will lose their life at greater numbers.

2:38:34 and black americans involved in violence you know black murder in our country is not only common, it's not only frequent but it's an idea that we celebrate, it's an idea that we say is okay we actually make heroes out of the notion, heroes out of people are that trivialize and romanticize it. Every time I show this information people always say, well if the number three cause of death for white males, what is the number one cause of death? And without fail, year after year, it's called unintentional injuries, accidents, falling off a four-wheeler, or crashing a go-kart, or bungee jumping without paying attention to knots and things like that. So basically the American story is white kids are dying because they're clumsy, and black kids are dying because they're gunned down. How old is this clip?

2:39:16 I think this is in 2017, 16, I think somewhere around there. It's TEDx. Just because we're looking at how media influences our thinking, etc. And it may be a little different, I'm not sure. I just want to put a little side note that fentanyl and opioid OD, I think, is certainly positioned in the media as a white person's problem. It is but it's not. Of course. I'm just saying, but yeah it is but it's not. But then also, just a side tangent on that, people say, oh well they don't want to prosecute white people. No, they don't want to prosecute the white doctors that come from upper class.

2:40:04 That's what it is. I mean, if it was crank or meth or whatever, they'll lock everybody up. But it's like, if you start talking about locking people up for prescription drugs, a lot of WASPs are going to jail. So it's like, nah, we don't want to go down that route. But I want to make one point. He pointed out the accidental deaths, the bungee jumping, the ATV four-wheelers, I'm sure skateboarding's up there, X Games, you know, behavior. That's thrill-seeking behavior, right? Young men, you know, pushing the boundaries. I won't die. I mean we have this, you know, we have this arrogance when we're young that you can't die. So, you know, you push it to the limit. Why is it the young black male can't have the same mentality?

2:40:51 It's a game to a lot of them. A lot of these kids are not sociopaths. It's a game. It's an aha, you know, like I'm... Should I tell you? No, just... I'm gonna tell you something. I'm sorry. No, it's a bad habit. I'll tell you. It's like I'm trying to kick that. Lots of people have that one. Because we've seen more shootings on TV, I know what you're talking about because I see these kids, I'll just call them kids, I see these men, mainly men, and they got the Glock 9 with a huge magazine hanging out of that thing and then like pom-pom and they're shooting sideways and I'm like, and a lot of it misses. A lot of it is just ridiculous

2:41:41 I hate to say, but it's like cowboys and Indians, but with live ammo. And yeah, it's LARPing too. It's LARPing, but it is also a thrill-seeking. Yeah, it's a very, very, very unsafe way of thrill-seeking, but yeah. It's part of the mechanisms. Now you have one kid that goes down a 50-foot ramp You know on a skateboard. Right, right. And then you can probably break his neck or you see me to have an MTV show that shows clip after clip after clip kids getting their arm broke teeth knocking out uh knocked out. They have entire movies of white kids doing this. Right so I'm just what I'm saying is say it's the same behavior

2:42:26 But the behavior manifests itself in a different way of let's play this live action role-play game of thugging. Yeah. You know, I'll pop shots your way, you pop shots my way, you know, we know and then it escalates to what we talked about before. It gets on the wire. Mm-hmm. And so and so punk so and so. Then it gets serious. Yeah. Or you interact with a super predator or a thug. These things do exist. Yeah, of course, but unfortunately, sometimes you'll see that some spectator got injured at some kind of skateboarding competition or a motorsport event

2:43:15 But you rarely hear about, you know, the baby in the crib at 3 in the morning who got killed by the at the skateboarding event. So that's why of course it appears different, but I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with you that for young men, yeah, it's and that is happens to be their thrill, which we should probably try and stop some of that. Yeah, and just I want to keep going but you brought this up so I had to I was debated about talking about on the show But I was in another part of Virginia meeting someone and I walked until Wawa and I'm like, okay I see two young black males and they were young I mean you could tell they're young pants sagging tight jeans on with big-ass pistols

2:44:02 I mean, not even concealed, just hanging out. And so I'm like, you know... The talk that my dad had, you know what I'm saying? This is what I mean. I had to tell the story just for the talk. So I'm like, okay, let me keep my eye on these two. You know what I'm saying? Because the shots start to pop off. I need to know where they're coming from and I need to know where my nearest exit is. I mean, this automatically just goes, you know, you just trigger in. So I'm getting my sandwich from Wawa. I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with Wawa. It's like a gas station which has like a subway built into it basically. Oh, okay. I got you. But it's like

2:44:43 As you're gonna find in quote-unquote black communities certain convenience stores are the hot spot That's why you hear a lot of crime if I'm waiting to get a drop on somebody I know they got to come by beer or blunts or cigarettes. So I'll just wait here Yeah, I got you. Um, so I'm sitting here I'm like these boys can't be 21. I mean baby face with big-ass guns and so I hear ruckus at the door and I'm like I'm like okay I'm sliding to the other exit I'm like I'm about to roll out without my sandwich um but it was this guy named Nick I know nicknames now because Nick he's like what are y'all doing out here like this he's like you know I'm saying would you gonna be like your brother big black guy muscular you know saying like y'all out here playing these games

2:45:30 He's counseling these black kids football coach works in corrective correctional facilities, huh? And he and I'm like after they leave I'm like man. I'm like wow that was the what's up right? That's great I got Nick's number, so I'm gonna be talking to Nick down the line. You know what I just want to give example. That's cool of They don't even care no more like the guns were just like out like but it was like wild wild west I mean, that's what you know, like wow, like this is like real wild wild west it blew my mind, but I'm just want to give that you know that anecdote because It's real. It is real out here. And you know, but I digress but I'm sorry about that. But oh, thank you Stories are great alright, so um

2:46:17 Let's get back to track with number 27. Now we don't have Mamie 2 shoes today. You can't get away with it. Nobody, nobody would put out there, but we do have black people that get on the radio every day in white owned companies, white owned stations with white owned sponsors that play the role of hyper-sexualized, hyper-criminalized male. I asked these advertisers, I say, I've got hundreds of songs a day that celebrate killing animals. Will you put them on your station? They said, no, I got hundreds of songs a day that talk about, assaulting women and abusing kids. Would you put them on your station? They said no. I said I got hundreds of songs a day that talk about murdering blacks. Would you put them on your stations? They said well that depends. Depends on what? Who it's done by and who it's branded for. Because if we can get black folks to sing about it, we can brand it for our youngest black audiences, I think there's money to be made. I think there's American appetites to see these people that way.

2:47:07 Yeah, yeah, that's how it went. I wasn't invited that meeting. That's so sick. You know that that's so sick. I'm sure you've read the story about a music business insider who claims that all of this was predetermined, all the gangster rap, all the violence was all set in motion by design. I'm a believer of that. Not in one meeting, but a series of meetings, nudges, that kind of thing. Well, I just want to say, because it's so hard for people to believe that the media actually is controlled and has a message that is determined, created or determined, it's determined and is intended to be sent down the line.

2:47:58 and having worked in many big mainstream broadcast organizations, including the one that was definitely a part of this, do I think that anyone I really knew or interacted with knew about some part of this big plan? No. But it was, hey, they want you to do this or that, who's they? I don't know, the suit's up at the office. And you become desensitized to it. You do. I mean, you just be... I became desensitized to all kinds of stuff. Certainly selling alcohol to a lot of children. That was a big part of my job, indirectly.

2:48:39 We talked about this the higher-ups when we were talking about cozy. Mm-hmm, you know Do this put them on the ventilator who told you do is the higher-ups, you know So it's not like everybody that worked at empty Phillip Morrison or these other cigarette companies were complicit, you know, I mean it's not it's it's very just stay in So basically when you build a cartel, it has to be compartmentalized. Yes. Where everybody doesn't know everything. It's like, just do your job and trust the system. Exactly. I so trust the system. That's true. But broadcast television works that way. And I'm not even saying that people up at the office really had the whole scoop on it. Lots of influences in the music business. Lots of stuff happening.

2:49:29 You know, you hear about how sex and drugs and yes, blackmail, all that stuff, all of it, all of it happened. So it's being unveiled now. It's being unveiled because of so much media. I mean, now because of YouTube and because of well, because of cameras, camera phones, handheld devices. Now I'm seeing it, and you show me enough street brawls of people shooting at each other, and I'm like, this is a bunch, and I'm old enough, this is a bunch of damn kids, and yeah, they're playing, it's real, but your point, going back to the start of it, was not necessarily hardcore criminals, not little yummies. It's a bunch of dipshits with live ammo.

2:50:21 generalization low and low and no live ammo and low self-esteem is a deadly combination is a very very deadly is so good low was it live ammo and low self-esteem low self-esteem that's so good that's like that's almost it's better than under informed and over socialized it's the white so um Guess we can wrap up with Michael Smith aka white Mike with 28 I said, how can you say that? They said well look it's what these artists know. It's what they black people create It's matter of fact our survey say it's what they want to hear which speaks of a sickness How do we live in a society where somebody says you know what? I'm inspired to write a song that celebrates murdering another person and then a person says I think

2:51:07 I'd like to put that on my station. Other person said, I'd like to pay for it. And then there's people out here in the audience that go, I'd love to hear it as long as it's black guys. Because even white people buy rap music, buy this type of stuff because we know that when we want to hear about killing each other, we know who to turn to for that type of inspiration. We call it our music. We say we own it. White people buy more rap than black people. Yeah, but we're very careful to turn it down at the stoplight when other black people are there. Why? Because we know we're just pretending for them. It's more authentic and real. I always ask the companies, what about your name? What about your brand? What about your value? And the largest radio company in the world said this, it's okay that we only have drug dealers on our black youth stations. We only have murders on our black youth stations. We support black charities. We give out water at the Martin Luther King parade. I think we've got it covered. We've bought them off.

2:51:55 It never ceases to amaze me how you can take what I think I already know about how the world functions, particularly the United States, and blow my mind again by showing me, oh, by the way, this is how big it really is. This is the real system in place. This is not systemic racism. This is systemic death machine that's just churning all day. And it's too big for us really to see right in front of our face. You had to take a huge step back really I get on a perch Yeah, and like survey from birds-eye view to see the whole system. It's all a big to what and though it's it's ultimately all about

2:52:47 Now that black-on-black crime has become such a hot-button issue, the people that have to have answers for it want to say it's a myth now. Oh, okay. There actually is no such thing as black-on-black crime. That's what's so fascinating to me and I think why people continue to respond negatively to that phrase because it doesn't exist. It's a myth, right? Like if you actually look at the statistics all violent crimes, the majority of violent crimes in this country statistically happen intraracially, right? Because you actually have to look at what inspires crime and the majority of them happen with people who know one another or in close proximity and in communication, in community with one another. So this idea that there's something uniquely pathological about black people and the way that they commit crimes that is different than the way white people commit crimes is flat out inaccurate and racist. It's a myth.

2:53:39 Well, it's a myth. Well, no, it's kind of interesting because on the one hand, of course it's happening. On the other hand, is it any, you know, it's like saying white guys aren't hurting each other and themselves on skateboards, you know, it's clearly happening. It's just calling, but, and you just said, well, they're not necessarily criminal. So is this killing a crime or is just black on black killing? You know, there's a difference. I'm gonna explain to you how they're doing their putting this in their self into a human pretzel to get around this black on black crime issue. They'll say, well, black people harm other black people at the same rate. What I mean by rate percentage, you know, so 90% of the crimes against black people are done by black people. Well, they'll go to white people and say, well, 90% of the crimes done by white people or done by white people proximity. But we're not talking about

2:54:39 the percentage of who the victim and who the assailant is, we're talking about the volume. For us to only be 13% of the population and black men only 6.5%, the volume of black death is ridiculous. But see, they don't want to talk about that because if you ask that question, you got to ask who's been running Baltimore, Chicago, Louisiana, Miami, all these different places. And then it goes back, it's about politics at the end of the day. So now the Democrat, Black Democrats and their flunkies have to work themselves off and under this pin down called Black on Black crime. So it's now it's, oh, there's no, it's a myth.

2:55:20 Okay, all right I got you because that's why they don't want black men talking about it because when we talk about it We're gonna say well who's been in control for the last few years and decades. Mm-hmm. How did it get to this? No, it's like no. No, no, it's a myth. It's a myth and that's why they want to Pivot to cops It's like, oh the cops, the cops are bad. We don't talk when I talk about black on black crime anymore. It's a myth and she's not the only one. That was from HLN. I was just gonna say who was that? Who was that on HLN? I don't know her name. She was a black, black maligned activist but I think they didn't show her name and I looked it up but couldn't find it. But not only her, we have D.L. Hughley saying the same thing.

2:56:03 Every crime committed in the United States of America is 2 to 1, black to white, white to black. They actually more white on white crime than black on black crime. But when you call it black on black crime, that gives them marching orders, that gives them a call to arms. So now they can come and brutalize because there's a sense of urgency. You'll hear black people saying, oh, black on black crime. That doesn't exist. If it exists, there has to be Asian on Asian crime. Or Latin on Latin crime. Absolutely. Crime is about proximity. You hurt the ones you love because you're close to them. If you take any any living organism, and you put it in a small space with limited resources It will kill anything around it. Yeah black on black crime is nothing but It's biology that shit is happening on your lawn right now with weeds in the grass fighting for resources But you believe that you're inferior because they tell you it's a such thing as black on black crime

2:56:54 See you see the trick they're playing I'm guessing who DL Hewley works for a major radio company I'm sure that they peddle and in black smut music Smut music. I mean, excuse me, snuff music. Oh, snuff music. Excuse me. Yes. Well, it can be smut too. It depends on who's the singer. I like snuff. Yeah, it's black snuff music. I mean, he won't call it out because then he has to call out his sponsors and the record labels and all that. So now, and then the politicians like, where are y'all at when this going on? So now it's like, oh, it doesn't exist. No, I want to break down the math right quick. He says one out of two out of every three crimes or two to one,

2:57:33 It's black, I mean white to black. So for every three crimes, two are done by white people, one are done by black people. We're only 13% of the population. I mean, I know a little bit about math to tell you that's way out of proportion. Calling it snuff songs is a very good idea. If you say snuff film, people freak the fuck out. That's a snuff flip snuff lick snuff film. If you say it's a snuff song, what the hell is that? Well, what do you think of when snuff flick? Well, that's really yes, this is that's snuff song. Go listen to it. Listen to it. I just wanted to say we need to use that or something like it. Snuff is a great word. It triggers people. It could be useful. I'll make a note of that because that's exactly what it is. That's what comes to mind. Like I said, that's what comes to mind when I hear it. Now I'm not saying that

2:58:35 I don't enjoy rap music, but I have a mature enough mind and I had a two-parent household that wouldn't tolerate it. So obviously it told me something's not right about it, but you know what? It's still enjoyable. But it was still the balance there to say, hey, there's something not right about it because I got to listen to my Waltman and not in the car with my mom and dad. Right. You know, I mean, there's that balance there. Why can't you like Lionel Richie? He's such a nice young man. Yeah, but it... Lionel Richie. But yeah, that's what it is. And I know I've been building up to this.

3:10:48 And we're not even done yet. This is usually after this segment is when my head blows off my shoulder, so I'm ready for that. This is... Yeah, go and put down the tarp. This is a value for value production. And the value we get from you is not just the donations, it's the notes. And these are very important to us, very dear, and we love sharing them. Keep them as short as you can, but when they're personal, it's just, it's very nice to share and it's appreciated.

3:11:23 Please consider us for the next episode. Support us by going to MoFacts.com or directly to our donation page MoFundMe.com and thank you again for supporting episode 48. Well this is the portion of the show that we get to discuss the gender war. that's going on amongst so-called black people. And to set that up, we have to go back to show 38, it's a throwback clip, and this is from the Washington Post, and this is the black women from Black Ink, let me make that clear, telling Biden you need black women voters. Vice President Biden, you need us. You owe us.

3:12:13 Black women are miracle workers. We have been saving the Democratic Party since 1965. 2020 is no different. Your only path to victory is through black women. The voters who need to turn out, we know how to mobilize them. Our votes must not be taken for granted. The following commitments will begin to show black voters that you are serious about us. America needs a black woman vice president. Candidates like Amy Klobuchar will not energize us. America needs a black woman Supreme Court justice. Remember Anita Hill? We do.

3:12:56 America needs more in a comprehensive black agenda. The rules are rigged against our communities. Wow, who put that together? This is the Washington Post and it had a... Oh, yes I remember it now. The who's who, it was the... Angela Rye, the lady from Black Votes Matter. A lot of Boulay, a lot of the black witch coven in Hollywood. The Boulay Broadcasting Corporation. Yeah, so the reason why I had to set this up using this clip is they gained so much clout and leverage from the black dead body

3:13:40 of George Floyd. Every minute that that cop's knee stayed on George Floyd's neck, their value and leveraging went up. And this is the grand acts they use from that leverage. Not criminal justice, not, you know, killing black men, none of that. We want a female black president, I mean, a vice president What I know what it's a Freudian slip, but it might be accurate because Joe Biden's condition I think that's why I keep I keep I keep want to say it. I think you know the truth wants to come out. Yeah, exactly. Oh boy Black female Supreme Court justice is black female There's black female that stuff now you're using the leverage of a dead black man on the street caught on film being

3:14:31 brutally murdered, allegedly. I mean, or, you know, I mean, I know for legal reasons we had to, you know, say, say things a certain way, but every, like I said, every minute that knee stayed on that neck, their value went up and they're like, we're going to capitalize on this and go for the big ask. And that's what they, that's what they came up with. Nothing contributing to the plight of black men, nothing contributing to the environments that cause, um, what we've laid out as black on black crime. Nah, we want a female vice, a black female vice president. That's what we want. Not even a black vice president. They didn't even go there. They were just like, we want a female. So what this, what you're seeing is black women are becoming their own demographic separate from black men. And power base.

3:15:22 Powerbase but only one they made one tiny miscalculation their understanding of math and it's the same one that's used on black on black crime what do they say hey we vote 90 90 95 percent of voting black women vote democratically yeah but you don't have the volume you need the black male vote The volume of votes to make action happen and black men are saying no, no, no, no, no, we're tired of being used This is what you're witnessing right now, and I found an interesting clip from dr. T Hassan Johnson This is another brother on YouTube But he's a professor very informative and he

3:16:13 Coins this term. I've never heard it before I looked all over I never heard anybody else use it So if you hear anybody else use it, we got to give this brother credit for it and it's called the conky surf So as you can see today, we're talking about the reality of black men's disposable role as concu surfs. I've covered this in another show. The whole concept of concu surfs is a bringing together of two basic ideas, the concubine and the surf. And this in many ways has to do with the social expectation of black men, both in the larger society, but more particularly within black America. The idea that black men are not only disposable, but their roles are to serve as sexual concubines as well as serfs, right? Who are really just designed to serve. You lift, bear that tote, so on and so forth. The disposability, right? So the idea of the concu-serf and how our lives and our deaths

3:17:06 can be taken for granted. We don't talk as much about our lives because there's all kinds of contestation and shaming that goes on. We talk about what black men experience in their own community, right? But it's clearly evident in our deaths how we're perceived and how our deaths are often used for everybody's advancement but black men themselves. And one of the biggest indicators of that is how much policy has been developed in the last few decades to stem the tide of those deaths. Right very little and yet and still the social expectations play on Wow, no, I have not heard concuserf now if you had to define concuserf How would you now define that? Okay, so black men have two purposes for these Class of people either were used for sexual purposes. That's why I know You know, you know this stereotype

3:18:03 whether it's true or not. And then, basically, slaves. Do this, fix this, shut up, don't make any noise. Basically, the underclass. We're the floor of the floor. I say that in all seriousness. And these black, inked women, you hope to use, like I said, the only value George Floyd could bring into this world is dying. That's it. Yeah, where does the concu come from? cocky by from concubine yeah, and then surf you know Yes, I got it yes, so when he coined this term this is what term my whole show just so people know just I'm sorry I just want people to understand but not everyone knows concubine. I just want to give you the big shiny bond is like a It's a woman who lives with a man

3:19:07 but has lower status than his wife or wives. So that goes to the point that we're not good enough to be husbands, but to be flaunted as sex... And there's this weird parallel between the white woman and the black man. We're kind of in the same position in our respective races. Because I told you, we live in a matriarchy. White society is a patriarchy. Black society is a matriarchy. So black men are expected to behave the same way as in, oh, and I'm generalizing here a lot, but the same docile, be quiet, the same way white women are expected to be or portrayed to be, you know, like the, you know, you know, they say white women, you know, they're very submissive and that kind of thing. Black men are expected to be that counterpart on the black side. So that's where the concussive comes from. Got it. Got it. Wow.

3:20:11 So when I heard this clip it illustrated and Encapsulated everything I wanted to say and I was like, you know what I had the show done I had the show right when I called you Yeah, I was like ready to roll and I heard this I was like no gotta tear all the way down It's far more important to have this that's I know people are saying well mo that's kind of far-fetched What are you saying? What I'm saying is black men are used for sacrifice for other demographics to progress into whiteness. Black men are used for sacrifice for other demographics to what? Progress into whiteness. So these group of women, they're trying to get into whiteness. So it's like, yeah, we'll use the same way Democrats used to use black people.

3:21:09 It's just internally now. You know, they're where for Queens, they're blah, blah, blah. They're this, they're that. They're illiterate, you know. Poor, poor black people, poor black people. White Democrats used to do that. But now it's black women of black ink. Let me be clear, because a lot of sisters out here, they're allies. So I'm and I want to point out and if you look at our donation list, I think a lot of women get it Yes, because we have a very balanced Support. Yes, I agree. So I want to make that clear. But what I'm saying is very beneficial now it's like you hear him say oh we're the most educated demographic there is notice they separate themselves out mm-hmm oh it's black men killing black men and black men or white men what black men are the white people of black people you hear these terms thrown out all we need and that's what is yeah all we need is to hear well you never seen black women kill black women do you

3:22:07 that is coming. It's coming. So I have Reverend Ian White Marr and he speaks on the ritual sacrifice, Black Heritage Trail of N.H. So this lecture focuses on the ritual sacrifice of black men in particular as an instrument for creating a cohesive and unified body of people called white. So in this development of the screen of racial contempt that I'm calling the first stage of sacrifice, While it certainly includes the murder of African Americans, it was the murder of their humanity in the eyes of European Americans that was sacrificed in the development of white identity. More than just debasement, it was the symbolic murder of their identities offered up in order to engender another identity. So Rene Girard

3:23:03 writes, the purpose of sacrifice is to restore the harmony to community, to reinforce the social fabric and that the common denominator that exists between behind all sacrifice is internal violence and the dissensions, the rivalries, the jealousies and the quarrels of the community by design are suppressed by sacrifice. Damn. So So what they're saying is if enough black men are put on the altar to sacrifice, they're not just talking about physically murder, but the image, you know, the stereotypes, all of that. If enough is put up there, it will bring harmony because then they can say, oh, well, that's not us.

3:23:50 We're not like them. Right. You know, and as they progress into whiteness, what we've described whiteness to be is nothing but what the WASP set as the model for how the world should operate, aka white supremacy, aka Western society. Gerard isolates three distinct bodies within the community. The model, the rival, and the ritual victim. And he sees within the community a driving function of competition and the potential for violence. So the model, in our case, the plantation elite or elite whites, are in possession of an object. They're in possession of something.

3:24:31 In the political realm, we might think of this solely as capital, but if we think of it more broadly, they're really in possession of something called white, which stands for all sorts of things, concepts of election, purity, goodness, and providence. And I was doing research at Widener Library in Harvard, and they had this book, and had something like the 23 races of English people, which sounds surprising, right? But not really, right? It all feeds into that chain moving towards the elite model, the person who is holding the desirable quality at the top. Now, elites are able to generate allegiance

3:25:19 And they are able to generate disciples by making whiteness a desirable quality. Hey, so do you think that there must be black women who are thinking, hold on a second, what's going on here? How come we're leaving all those men behind? Yes, it is. But then you know what they're told shut up No sister, how dare can't you not support your other sisters unless use Kamala Harris as a as a as a case study Mm-hmm. How does how does she make her bones? Black black men in jail we heard on the last show or a couple shows ago. She locked up an innocent black man and

3:26:09 had no evidence against him. And it goes to show you, look, look at me, pick me. I can do it just as good as a white man can do. Or what's perceived of a white man, I mean, just saying by the standard of society. Right, but she, okay, well first of all, Kamala is, yeah, she identifies as black, doesn't quite have the same history as a DOS woman, Mm-hmm. So are they just are they just have they just been hypnotized? My nose is the print and I told you in the very first show is ego It's just so hard to believe It's horrible. Yeah

3:26:52 It's not really if you we talked about how Black Lives Matter founders have daddy issues. Yeah, a lot of these women Kamala Harris has daddy issues. Yeah as it's playing out in the media. Yeah, so I'm not saying that they're just they're just Latching on to this. I mean it's dry Lee they have they have the same with me and they have the same issues because of the same problems only their issues manifest differently and Exactly. Okay, and what it manifests is you know what I can use black bodies to get a To get ahead they do they're doing the exact same thing the founding fathers did when they created America. It wasn't that personal Resources all this land And then they're saying the same thing well we have all these black criminals We might well put them to good use

3:27:50 Let's get with the media, run it on the media, make black men violent, make black men the source and the bane of all the things that trouble us, put them on the sacrificial altar, slay them, and then we can have harmony. Yeah. I hear you, I hear you. Okay. So, all right, uh, well we what do we stop it can only go downhill from here We were striving for whiteness. Okay. Yeah, it's driving for whiteness. Okay, uh replacing the model This was created as a belief system on the desire of an object embodied by the plantation elites or by the elites in general And by model it meant Being closer to God

3:28:40 The rival, the second group that Girard speaks of, are the European-American masses who try to possess this whiteness as an act of mimicry by desiring what the model desires, what the elites have. Because so much as I want it, they have power. Me wanting it gives them stature. Us magazine people magazine Cultivate the culture of celebrity because it gives the system more power Same with the Oscars same with all that Gerard warns us that the desires of the rival the second group or the masses will grow the desire will grow until there is violence and

3:29:34 Induced by that competition that's there the nature of the system is that it it wants us to desire But it doesn't want us to go too far because if we want it too much Eventually, we will try to knock over we will try to kill the model so that we can replace the model. Ooh There's your riots. Yes. There it is. There it is. Word. That's the well, we're past that phase really Yeah, that's that's where we're at And who do you have out in those groups? You have the feminists, you have the Marxists, you have every other ethnic group, and they're all protesting on what? The back of their sacrificial black men.

3:30:22 But they want to replace the model. It's not that we want to create our own and you know create our own black community or own whatever fill in the blank community. It's that we want to be accepted and raised to the level of the model which is Anglo, you're saying white Anglo-Saxon, Protestant. Elite. Right. And the sick thing is whiteness is their god. Yeah, well that yeah. I'm kind of speechless. What you're hearing is me just, I just don't know what to say. I was the same way. I mean, I had to process it. It's like, because at the end of the day, if you can identify as a woman first, as a gay first, as a trans first. Oh, snap. That just hit hard. One of the most successful black men in show business is RuPaul.

3:31:24 Right, but they'll tell you I'm a gay black man. What's that Porter Porter? He'll tell you that Billy Porter Billy Porter. He'll tell you that I'm a gay I'm a gay but I'll put that first gay first black and then man So we already know it's an attack on men, but I'm just saying that it's not the same for the model It's that I want to emulate the model. Yes and to emulate it I have to show you how well I can do what the model does how well I could play inside the system That's why you see the Soros sisters. I've coined that term to you a long time ago. Yep. The reason why I say that is I

3:32:02 These women want to illustrate to the powers that be I can do the job just as good or even better than a white DA. I think I even heard Dvorak use the term sorrow. I think he said sorrow sister. But he... Yes, with ER. I did hear it. I did hear it. Good work. But that's what they're doing. And then what do they have to do from there? They have to pick a victim. So the system doesn't want us to go too far, so it needs to find a way to blow off steam through the process. They don't want to get rid of that intra-community violence, but they just want to deflect it before it reaches the doors of the elites. So to deflect the violence that ultimately arises out of the competition, there needs to be a ritual victim, which is the third group.

3:32:58 Someone who is marginal within the community, who does not represent a real threat of reprisal, who can't attack the system back. The dangers in this society are projected onto that victim. Now, who was the guy's name again? Gerard? Gerard, that's how I say. historian that he's referring to I can get you his name after the show but this the speaker is Reverend Ian White Marr. Okay. It's amazing we have heard two men of the cloth, white men in the cloth, illustrating the black problem clearer than the people that are supposed to be speaking for us. Yeah. How does that happen? Well, yeah.

3:33:53 How does that happen? Yeah, it happens by design is how it happens. Yes. I mean, that's the punchline. Yeah and I know people are saying, wow, Mo, that sounds crazy. What are you saying? So I'm saying, one, in the exoteric, politically, they're sacrificing black men, the image of black men. They say trans women are the victim of black men. Black women are the victim of black men. Black children are the victim of black men. Black men are the victim of black men. And the only way you can survive in this is if you are a 260 pound black man like LeBron James saying you're running around the streets scared for your life. That's the only way you can function in this society. Well, I think you're doing pretty well as a podcaster. But I understand what you're saying. But it gets deeper than that. Yeah, it gets deeper than that because... Oh no, you're going to hurt me with something now, aren't you? This is always the end. Yeah. Alright, TARP is ready. So, I have a...

3:35:04 a podcast that features a minister brat, AKA bad news. And he speaks about the witchcraft and gang banging. I was dating a young lady in my neighborhood and, um, I come to find out that she used to have, um, her grandmother, she stayed with her grandmother, people in caskets on the wall. And I would say, what's all these people in these caskets? They say they just family members. One time her grandmother came home and, uh, they started putting up black sheets. on the wall, over the glass, and over the windows. I said, what they doing? They said, we're gonna have a seance. Did I want to stay? I said, no, I don't do seances. But I come to understand why my neighborhood was so cold.

3:35:46 as I look back my physically cold physically cold right remember I used maybe you say I used to I feel deaf deaf was right it was a spirit of death in this neighborhood and now I know why the grandmothers was witches the grandmothers was doing seances as I look back and do the inventory Why? Well, I understand now why the grandmother say you better go kill them boys. You better go get them. The grandmother. The grandmother. The grandmother. Yeah, somebody get killed. Y'all better go kill them. Y'all better go get them. Now what type of witchcraft were they involved in? Well, I just know seances. Seances. They was doing seances. These is grandmothers that we wave to, walk across street, go to run to the store for doing seances. Now would some of them go to church? Some of them

3:36:31 This is very disturbing. And then you wonder why you hear cases of a woman lose three, four sons to gun violence. We really have to investigate those cases. There's a spiritual thing going on, a spiritual component of this. And I illustrated it way back in show 26 with a growing number of black women leaving the church for witchcraft. Growing numbers of African American women in Maryland and across the nation are leaving traditional church worship. All of them are in search of something else. A spiritual belief that connects them to their ancestors and where they can feel more empowered to control their own well-being. They have found it in ancient forms of spiritual contact. Some call it witchcraft, a term they accept and embrace.

3:37:26 For most of us, this is how we worship, a tradition that predates us all. This too is an ancient art of worshipping, not to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but to spirits and deities that span the oceans and date back to pre-slavery days in Africa. Are you in fact witches? Whatever the situation calls for. So if you come to me with pleasantries, you being respectful, you'll get Glinda, the good witch of the suburbs. But if you come at me with negativity

3:38:02 and meanness and disrespect, then you'll get Evelyn, your worst nightmare. Oh yeah, that was episode 26 for anybody who wants to get freaked out all over again. I think I had an epiphany. Go ahead, go ahead. I'll give you my epiphany afterwards. Well, do you remember how old she was, the woman speaking at the end? She sounds so young. Oh, these women are in their late 20s, early 30s. Yeah, they're millennials, right? Yeah. And they picked it up when they left the church went off to college and learn in these universities Yeah, my Tiffany was this yes and people that know anything about hip-hop will know this those same closets and basements that these women were doing say dances in that Minister Bratt referred to mm-hmm are the same closets and basements that their grandchildren record hip-hop music in it's oh It's it spells

3:39:06 Spells. Spells. But I'm saying, but those same spirits might be dwelling in those same spaces because I know when we used to record you had to do the basement or you had to do like a, you know, like a old closet or something. Oh, do we do theremin? Not really. Go ahead. Call me. I'm gonna need a theremin for this next, this next sketch. Oh, okay. We're winding it up here people. I like that theory, Mo. I like that theory. That's a good one. Okay, what do we got now? There's only one way to introduce this next guest that people have been asking about him, and it's his first introduction to the MoFax podcast with Adam Curry. Bishop Larry Gators. I am a type of a man that's been called by God to fully decapitate the system of the left.

3:40:01 and what I want to talk to you about today, Brother Alex, and to your listeners all over the world is this topic entitled, The Coming Destruction of Black Lives Matter. Now, the three founders, Brother Alex, of That is the military arm of Black Lives Matter, but Black Lives Matter is the propaganda arm of Antifa. So you have three witches who created this terrorist organization in 2013 following the death of Trayvon Martin. Alicia Garza, she is a member of Omega Phi Beta,

3:40:59 Patrice Colors, she is a member also of Omega Phi Beta. And Opa Temeti, she's of Nigerian descent. She is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha, which means they're all a part, brother Alex, of the black skulls and bones. Wait a minute, wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa, get the tarp! Oh my goodness. So they're putting spells on everybody. You gotta explain... Well, they're working through the biggest spellcaster there is, the media. Or the medium, which, what do you call witches? And no offense to witches out there, but what are witches called? Mediums. It's important people understand this, because we haven't gone off the rails all of a sudden like, oh well, this is it, it's witchcraft, that's the problem. No, no, no. It is truly a form of modern witchcraft.

3:41:57 It truly is. Yeah, especially when you fattening, you know, seaball fat and you keep saying, you know, this negative stuff and then it presents itself. Notice soon as they start talking about black cops shooting black, cops shooting black people, more cops shoot black people. How does that work? Well, like on demand, it's like, it's like on demand now. Coming from an advertising perspective, that's actually how it works. If you show something over and over again, it's going to have an influence depending on how you show it, what music you show it with, how your cuts are made, how your shots are positioned. I have manipulated people's thinking in a not necessarily derogatory way, but I've created illusions, illusions, magic, illusions, witchcraft, spells on television

3:42:49 That there's okay if anyone want this is a very odd been doing this for maybe 15 years There's you can find it on I'm gonna put it in the show notes. It's called the Zen TV experiment Have you ever heard of this Mo? No, I haven't but I'm gonna look it up soon as we are Zen TV experiment it goes back to I think this one December well, this is 2009 and I don't know if this is even the first time it was it just And you should just do something, you can do it with the television or with your laptop, but it just gives you a couple of simple things to do. I'll show you. For instance, watch TV for 10 minutes and count the technical events. Technical events are...

3:43:33 We've all seen TV cameras in banks and jewelry stores, a stationary video camera simply recording what's in front of it we'll call pure TV. Anything other than that is a technical event. A camera zoom, technical event. Someone's profile talking, suddenly you switch to another person responding, technical event. A car's driving down the road, you hear music playing, technical event. Count the number of times as a cut zoom superposition voiceover appearance of words on the screen fade in fade out All of those are technical events. They're magical. They are illusions Call it that call it sorcery so much of what we're seeing particularly now with handheld cameras direct

3:44:15 you know, the way the media uses that type of video sources, you know, narratives are set on eight seconds of a video shot from a window. This is all technical and broadcast sorcery. And one final point I'd like to make is even though Release of information like you said it starts with the 8-second Yeah and then it bleeds out that you know the full video and then another angle of the video and then another angle and then the Context of the video those kind of things. So yeah, it's definitely and and these women were arm-in-arm with their sisters in the media Yes, Oprah Gale Etc fill in the blanks

3:45:00 They create a narrative and you saw it in full play with Kobe Bryant. Yeah, you saw what they did to him in his death Mm-hmm. Kobe didn't do nothing to nobody. I mean and when he died, I mean, but look what they did Yeah, and and and we gotta take this we ought to take him down. They took him down They took Snoop Dogg down a notch too, didn't they? Exactly. Wow Okay, oh and by the way some sorcery and witchcraft I also believe is real so not just technical events on television I think you can probably conjure up bad energy wherever it's coming from and I don't dispute that as well I mean I'm just saying that it for the people that that's a just reach for them

3:45:44 Just the controlling your mind control brainwashing. Don't take my word for it take a Burrell's word for it right Tom Burrell. Yep. He's a he's a master wizard He is he's a grand wizard to coin a phrase Grand Wizard at what he does Mo. Thank you so much. This is so enjoyable To do these shows and because it's really enriches me as a human Every show to me is like I get to catch up with my with my buddy and I like that so much and I know it comes across on the show and I know so many people get so much value and of course you know our pitch. If you got any value from it just translate that into numbers, add a note, let us know how you feel, how it affected you. Try and keep it within the realm of broadcast length because after all we are

3:46:31 creating technical sorcery here for you. Counter-sorcery! Counter-sorcery! It's white magic! Oh, what did I say? Oh my god, see how you get trapped in that kind of stuff. MoFacts.com, support us directly at MoFundMe.com, our donation page. M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E dot com. And Mo, thank you again. I can't wait for the next episode. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. The Banana Clip Theory I came here but I leave I took it this far this far this time The Banana Clip Theory I told myself I should be smart be smart and not lie The Banana Clip Theory Bang bang bang down we went today

3:47:26 I heard a gun the other day, it spoke to me and told me power was the only thing that we could lose, so don't be afraid to let it shower on them, if they ever run up at my door, For a short shot in the silence up on the low I had to stop, pause and think about it while they gave me his resume Told me no better way to protect myself In this world we live in Is it killing off women and children? The only way you survive in your mind is to stay strapped So you act out They'll call you soft if you back out So you roll your window down and you black out The next day they'll be back round The banana clip theory But I leave, I took it this far

3:48:20 I told myself I should be smart and not lie But I think there's something about another soul