68: Lizard Lounge

00:00 In this crazy town, have a time, there's no love to be found. Having a hard time, in this crazy town, having a hard time. There's no love to be found, Kevin. Mo Facts with Adam Curry for October 13th, 2021. It's episode number 68. Hello, everybody. How you doing? We are back once again. 14 days, we're back on the system. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Texas Hill Country and somewhere in Virginia, northern Virginia, my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? Ah, Mo.

00:46 Since I started playing this track, I'm doing even better than I was doing. Man, fire! Fire! You know, you give me a good track like that, I'm into it. I love that. I love it. It's good, man. We have not spoken at all, have we? Have we had like three text messages in two weeks? I think that's about it. It's been crazy. So you've been busy? Super busy. Super busy. The job is getting mandate proof. You know that kind of thing and they're working the heck out of us Yeah, we got him for a little bit longer let's keep him let's work him real hard is that what's going on Oh, man, of course, but you know how it goes on with the thing in Texas. That's a good look So we'll see how it goes. Oh, you mean the what?

01:37 The governor did? Well, the fun thing about that is of course it's Southwest Airlines who have pilots walking off the job or calling in sick. They're headquartered in Texas. So, yeah, so and the last I heard their CEO had said, all right, everyone's got to get vaccinated. Then this morning, that mandate or Tuesday morning, that mandate came out And so now we'll see. Who knows? Who knows? It's... You don't know. But I mean, it is what it is. In the meantime... Yes, we'll ratchet it up. Let's wind this up. Find out what the topic will be for Mo Facts with Adam Curry, episode number 68. Ladies and gentlemen, nobody knows where it will stop except for Mo. He knows exactly what's going on. The topic will be... Critical race theory? Damn you!

02:30 Ooh, a much anticipated topic. Critical race theory. What it is, what it isn't. Does it exist, does it not exist? It does have a Wikipedia page. Some people say it doesn't exist. It's not a thing. It's not a thing. It doesn't exist at all. Even though it has a Wikipedia page and is a scholarly thing. I think it's one of these things where people make it what they want it to be. So picking up off where we left off last time on the binary thinking tip, this is just like one of the battlegrounds that you know people are fighting on over this topic. It's big. It's very big. It's very big. It's right behind the coof. And in some people's mind it might even be bigger.

03:23 depending on how you look at it. It's certainly one of the major topics of these school board meetings where people are just getting into the school board's face, you know, so it's definitely top of mind. We definitely, that's gonna be an element of it, I guess, so I had to tell you to put your goggles on. Let's go ahead and get into number two. So Republicans are fanning the flames of a new culture war, claiming the teaching of critical race theory is a threat to our kids and to community relations. But this isn't just some abstract argument. They're actually pushing through legislation in state after state as we speak. Legislation aimed at making sure it can't be talked about in schools. Which isn't just dumb because critical race theory isn't taught in schools to begin with. It's taught to law students in university.

04:12 but it's also a complete violation of the First Amendment from a party that claims to be all about free speech. Joining me now is Kimberley Crenshaw, executive director with the African-American Policy Forum. She's also a law professor at Columbia and UCLA, host of the podcast Intersectionality Matters. And she's the one who coined the phrase intersectionality and also co-founded Critical Race Theory. Kimberley, it's a pleasure to have you on the show. Your African-American Policy Forum is campaigning against these Republican censorship campaigns. So I want to start by asking you to please explain what critical race theory actually is, because Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene clearly don't have a clue. You do. You helped found it. Define it for our viewers, please, in the simplest of terms.

04:58 Well, the simplest of terms and thanks for the opportunity. Critical race theory is the study of law and how it has been part of the infrastructure from slavery to emancipation to segregation to today upon which racial inequalities have been based. Oh, that's interesting. Okay, so the founder of critical race theory here, Kimberly, what's her name? Kimberly Crenshaw. She I did not know that this was that it had to do with law which reminds me of the book the color of law That's where it was birthed at not out of that, but it was birthed at a university Yeah, and as you heard many say that's many Hassan from MSNBC

05:46 He says that it's only taught in college courses. I mean, at universities, it's like, hold on, wait, that's not what we're hearing. No, that's definitely not what we're hearing. It seems to be middle school and high schools and even lower grades. Elementary, yeah, elementary school as well. But this is the thing, it's like, oh, no, it's been this moving target. I had to lay this out front. I think what happened was that 1619 was supposed to be the original vehicle that they used to push this narrative. And it got submarine. It got derailed, yeah, it sure did. So it's like, okay, what can we dig in and pick up critical race theory, which in itself is a

06:36 offensive term and let me let me explain that when just the words all put together when you hear critical that's alarming in itself. Yes, urgent attention. Urgent. Right, and then you throw race into anything. Urgent. Yeah. And we do have the race ISO that I picked up, but we'll get to that later. Race. I already had it ready. Yeah, you can throw some race in there. Just how you throw some race in there. It's just from time to time. You just got to do that. I think in normal family life, it's like, could you please take out the garbage? Race. Just keep doing that. It'll work perfectly.

07:15 And then you have theory, which theory just leaves everything up to debate. It's critical, it's about race, but it could be a theory. So when you throw all these things together, it... It gives people alarm just from the beginning of it and the way it's being pushed. And the title of this video, I'm pulling this from off YouTube, is called The Truth About Critical Race Theory Co-Founder Breaks Down GLP Gaslighting. That's a hell of a title. Yeah. I'll say. So we should be familiar with Miss Kimberly Crenshaw from intersectionality. This is a throwback clip from show 18 She Wrote a Hero where we covered the topic.

08:00 Intersectionality is just a metaphor for understanding the ways that multiple forms of inequality or disadvantage sometimes compound themselves and they create obstacles that often are not understood within conventional ways of thinking about anti-racism or feminism or whatever social justice advocacy structures we have. Intersectionality isn't so much a grand theory, it's a prism for understanding certain kinds of problems. Okay, so that did not explain it to me. That did not help understand intersectionality. And we had the same outcome on show 18. It's a word salad. It makes no sense. It's not really a theory and now they're doing the same thing with critical race theory. So let me ask you a question. So you said, you know, the 1619 project that got submarined and then they decided to go full on critical race theory. Who do you think they is in this case?

08:59 That's a good question. Well, you have the Black Lives Matter Inc. crew, you have the Democrats, which is, or liberals, however you want to say it, which is using this as a major for lack of a better word, taunting. It's used to keep this pot going to 2022. Yeah, yeah. But from an academic perspective, it's not the case that some Democrat says, oh, time to ratchet up critical race theory. That's not how you get stuff into school. That's got to be a lot. It's got to be structural. It's got to be a part of the curriculum. I mean, that's

09:43 Which I guess means that it's just really, really nastily corrupt all the way through. That's the point. It's one of those things that can create a binary argument and it works politically, it works through social engineering, it works in a lot of ways and these kind of things make occur organic at first. No, just in the wild. I like that critical race theory. Yeah, let's push that. Or since we already had Kimberlé Crenshaw pushing the intersexuality, it's just a natural, hey, I got this critical race theory on the shelf. Could you grab that for me? I've got some CRT over there.

10:25 What cuz the thing is this thing was created back in the 80s, so it's like it's nothing new I mean it's very it's very um It's been around in in the law circles for a while now. Yeah Well hopefully we'll come to understand what that means how it's been around in the law circles So I guess this is where we find out that oh I mean, I don't know. I'll let it unfold Moe. I'm all ears. We're going to the co-founder so we're gonna let her explain this to us like we're idiots. what it is, what it isn't, and what it's being used for. So let's go ahead and get into number four. It's basically an effort to think about we have had commitments to equality since the 14th Amendment, yet our reach has not realized itself in real equality. So we're basically just asking questions and looking at the way that law has been a conduit for racial inequality

11:26 and therefore what we need to do about law in order to bring us closer to the dreams that we have as a society. But let me be clear, this is not about critical race theory. Ted Cruz knows what critical race theory is and isn't. People who are trying to create this hysteria around critical race theory know what critical race theory is or isn't. What this is, is backlash politics coming precisely at a moment where finally racial justice has become a majoritarian interest on the part of Americans from all races and all classes. So this is a way of pushing back against that without saying that we're for racism. They can say we're against critical race theory.

12:08 Wait a minute, so this is the founder of critical race theory. Yes. And she's name-checking Ted Cruz? So she's just a political operative. She's full of crap. She's no idealist. Exactly. She's actually working for an organization. I thought I had it here, but I don't. But yeah, she's working in a political capacity and a prof- well, these professors like moonlight in politics as well, so... Yeah, that's true. That's true. It's just so blatantly obvious. You know, when you're at that level calling out Ted Cruz, it's like then you are not looking at a big picture of stuff, so you're doing something else. If I'm not mistaken, this was created at Harvard, right? And I think Ted Cruz is a

12:56 law graduate from Harvard. So I think she's saying that from that point. Oh, okay. He knows, you see what I'm saying? Like, he should know. Right, but what critical race theory and the law and what Ted Cruz may or may not know doesn't sound like what these parents are talking about at these school board meetings. Doesn't it sound very similar to Black Lives Matter? When you would say Black Lives Matter is ABC, then people are like, no, no, no. It's not that, it's this. So it's these things that... could be used as a wedge for political gain, for social, like I said, social change. As you said, that race is front and center now, so they kind of got a seize on it. This is that unity and healing. I feel so good about it. Come on in, you're standing for some unity and healing.

13:54 Let's go ahead and get into part 3. Well, you know, it would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous and if it weren't so familiar. This is a mob mentality trying to Willie Hortonize racial justice. And we've seen it before. We saw it right after the end of the Civil War when the idea that racial equality was anti-white racism was articulated by the president of the United

14:32 States, President Johnson, who vetoed civil rights, saying that it was reverse discrimination, it took away from white people and gave to black people. But that wasn't the last time we saw it. We saw it during the civil rights movement, when many white people said, equality, being forced to serve you violates my civil rights. So, the idea that anti-racism is anti-white is a tried and true playbook move. It used to be part of the neo-nationalist right. It's now moved to the center of the Republican Party on the heels of this so-called hysteria around critical race theory. Wow.

15:15 This woman is truly disappointing me. I was ready to really hear something really intelligent. Something great about some academic thing I could look into. This is just an operative. It's a tool for hysteria. She said hysteria twice. She did. She said it twice and that's what is causing on both sides because in the minds of people that want to believe there's a good thing. It's like, how do you not want to, you know, heal racism? Like, same thing with, how do you not want to take the vaccine? You know, how do you not want to do your part? Or how do you not want to help? Yeah, back to the binary that we've been talking about. Right. And on the other side, it's like, do you know what critical race theory is and who's pushing it? Where it's coming from out of Harvard. And my frustration is that

16:06 If it's about law and how law is not being used or being misused, these are the kind of people that we're supposed to look to, Ms. Crenshaw Crenshaw that you're supposed to be fighting a good legal fight not pontificating about Theories, you know that don't mean a hill of beans We should be actually getting change happen and then answers and then she brings up Willie Horton I mean, is that even a relevant name anymore? Does that still have no clue who that was? I didn't have time really. Oh, that's interesting Oh really? You want to explain who Willie Horton is to me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone else? Yeah, Willie Horton, it's like a thing now, or it was for a while. This was a guy who was convicted black guy serving a life sentence for murder.

16:54 and they let him out right there on a furlough or get out hang out at the weekend or something and he didn't come back he committed armed robbery I think rape is that in Texas that was in Texas no no hold on let me take a look or Florida no Maryland Maryland okay wait a minute he was yeah Maryland Wait a minute, he was the beneficiary of a Massachusetts furlough program, so he might have been in Massachusetts. Totally got by me. Well, Mo, this was a while ago. This was in the 80s. Okay, well, like I said, she's from the 80s, so I mean, like... Exactly.

17:43 Not saying in a bad way, but we heard her paradigm is from the 80s. Well, exactly. And it's like, okay, not very relevant, but I caught it. Okay. So, well, now this is where I'm going to have to lean on you because Hysteria, you've been doing coverage of this topic. I think the gentleman's name is, you want to help me with that? Matias De Schmitt. Okay, is that Dutch? He's Belgian actually which is which and that's the Flemish side. So that's very close to Dutch that we can understand each it's like, you know American English and British English Got it. Got it. So Yeah, you've been following these clips and Talking about free-floating anxiety and I think critical race theory definitely falls under one of these triggers for that so you can

18:36 Give your spiel on it and we can get right into the clip. Yeah, I'll just I'll just give a little background on Matthias de Smet. He's a professor in psychology from Ghent University in Belgium. He has a another degree in statistics. It's a hairball, don't worry about hairball. And that's how he actually started becoming very interested in what was going on because he saw very quickly as a statistician and having a master's degree in that, that the numbers and the graphs that they were showing at the beginning of the corona, the rona crisis, that they were full of crap and they were making some very huge assumptions and mistakes.

19:17 And it took him, by his own admission, about six months until he figured out that, wait a minute, I know what's going on here. We are in a state of what he calls mass formation. And you can use the word formation as, for hysteria. And so the final thing I'll say, so I don't spoil any of the clips, is that this state is a hypnotic state. It can be done by professionals, in this case it was done by a number of factors, to be done by professionals to a degree that this is often used in surgical settings and people can be hypnotized, be in the same state that we're gonna hear many people are, and you can even cut them and they won't even feel it, won't even know it. So it's a serious hypnotic condition.

20:00 So you say under a spell. Oh yeah, totally under a spell. Yes, sir. Before you start this next clip, I just like make the point that Beyonce had a very famous song called In Formation. Oh, right, right, right, right. Well, in the context of mass formation, it means the same thing. You know, we're all standing in line. We're all together doing the same thing. We've fallen into the ranks. I guess we can go and get into number six. Free-floating anxiety is the most painful psychological phenomena someone can experience. So it's extremely unpainful. It leads up to panic attacks, to all kinds of extremely painful psychological experiences. So what people want in this situation is something to connect their anxiety to. They're looking for an explanation for their anxiety. And now,

20:57 If this free-floating anxiety is highly present in a population and the media provide a narrative which indicates an object of anxiety and at the same time describe a strategy to deal with this object of anxiety, then all the anxiety connects to this object And people are willing to follow the strategy to deal with this object, no matter what the cost is. That is what happens in the beginning of mass formation. Then in a second step, people start a collective and heroic battle with this object of anxiety. And in that way, a new kind of social bond emerges and a new and a new kind of sensemaking. Suddenly, life

21:53 is all directed at battling the object of anxiety and in this way establishing a new connection with other people. That's one of my favorite clips. You have the object of anxiety being race and you have the solution being critical race theory. Yes, and how about the free-floating anxiety? And the beauty of critical race theory and people losing their shit over it is I think they're also under some form of spell and mass formation. On both sides. Yeah. I mean that's what that's it's even in formation you can have this back and forth dance I would think you know saying like you have two sides fixated on

22:38 the same object and some people say, well, this is a secure racism. Why don't you want to do it? You know, that kind of thing. And it's like, well, do you have the other side? It's well, I'm going to push back against this naturally just because just because the side is pushing forward. So you brought up the point of using statistics to manipulate people. So Matty is going to do a very fascinating trick with these numbers that he rolls out from The Economist. So let's go ahead and listen to him, and then I have a sub clip of just him stating the numbers once again.

23:14 And hysteria indeed it is. You've written nearly a dozen books on race issues including one literally called Critical Race Theory. I want to put it in the mail to Ted Cruz's office. There's new polling out this week from The Economist which found only 26% of Americans say they've heard a lot about critical race theory with an additional 38% saying they've heard a little. Of those, a little, over half say they have a good idea of what critical race theory is, or they think they do, and the majority view it unfavorably. If you take a look at the number of mentions the term critical race theory is getting over on Fox News, it's gone through the roof in recent months. How much does that worry you? How much does that tell you that this country is not in a good place, especially on the right? I still have to interrupt. I am so tired of people with British accents telling Americans that we suck. It's quite common now. F off, Limey! You know, I used to wonder a lot

24:12 about how during the end of Reconstruction, people of color and people of goodwill understood what was happening. Did they know that African Americans were going to be completely disenfranchised and not be able to vote for seven decades? Were they aware that violence was going to take hold in capitals throughout the South, that there were going to be coups? Did the media participate in it? Were they believing some of the lies or failing to ask the questions, failing to consider the source? And this moment makes me get a sense of what it must have been like. Lies being told, people believing, and people of goodwill being confused and not knowing what to do or what to make of it. She's following the template and proud of it.

25:05 So if you don't know it, then you're confused. And naturally, if you're confused, you haven't been taught yet. We have to teach you. And once you're taught, then you'll understand. It's kind of like one of those things. But did you hear the numbers he rolled out? And did it make any sense to you? Well, I was distracted when he rolled out the numbers by saying they were from The Economist. And The Economist, ever since they got their new editor, It's been just one big woke heap of garbage as far as I'm concerned. So I did not really hear the numbers. And by design you didn't because

25:44 took just the number his rollout of the numbers and I put it in this little sub sub clip and we can even play it like two three times to listen to the actual number that he's referring to. There's new polling out this week from The Economist which found only 26 percent of Americans say they've heard a lot about critical race theory with an additional 38 percent A lot, a lot. Only- 20%- 26% has only heard a lot about the movement. So we're only talking about that 26% right now, okay? Yeah, okay. 26% has heard a lot. Okay. A lot. Alright. Say they've heard a lot about critical race theory with an additional 38% saying they've heard a little. Oh wait, wait, whoa, whoa. So let's add those two numbers up. Okay. We're well over 50%. Yeah, have heard something. Yes.

26:33 Okay of those a little over half say they have a good idea of what critical race theory is stop. Okay, that's Those 54. Yeah, they say they have a good idea what critical race theory is. How can you okay now? Um, is that 54% of the 38 or the 26 because he said of those I think the 38 Okay, so now we're down half of 38. Mm-hmm have a good idea so that's what 19% roughly 20 say 20 rounded up to 20. Okay now we're talking about 20% of people. Yeah. Okay now I'm just saying he's doing a subset of a subset of a subset. Yeah of course. Keep going this is great. Critical race theory is what they think they do and the majority view it unfavorably. Okay now the majority of the 54% of the 38%

27:28 I should actually look at those numbers. I don't know if he's explaining it right, but it's... What I'm saying is that this is the way he's delivering it. He's throwing these numbers out at you. He's saying 38% and of those, 54% have a good idea and half of those, excuse me, half of a majority of that 54% of the 38% it's like we can't you couldn't say this more confusing he could have just said humana humana humana and it wouldn't have mattered people didn't get it when he said it like this and they won't get anything else he says now let's be here in con let's be fully in context and where he he surmises from his data there's new polling out this week from the economist which found only 26 percent of americans say they've heard a lot about critical race theory with an additional 38 saying they've heard a little

28:21 of those a little over half say they have a good idea of what critical race theory is or they think they do and the majority view it unfavorably yeah it's it's i think i think the whole point is bloody bloody bloody bloody but i but the majority view it unfavorably that that was the message that's the point that's the message yeah which what they use these numbers to make it sound official Make you sma- sound- make them sound smart. You'll feel subconsciously dumb because you couldn't follow that riddle of a word problem. And rightly so, yeah. Um, cause it's like, let me break out the pen and the pad and actually figure out if I want to really understand, uh, if I'm listening empathetically, um...

29:06 I'm trying to understand what he's saying here, but you've ran me into a circle and that's by design because once again the clips that you've been presenting on mass hysteria, it talks about bogus statistics. I'm a professor in clinical psychology at the Ghent University and I also have a master's degree in statistics. In this crisis I've been taking the perspective of mass psychology, indeed. In the beginning of the crisis I have been studying the statistics and the numbers and actually I noticed that they were often blatantly wrong and at the same time people continue to believe in it and to go along with the mainstream narrative and that was why I started to study it rather from the perspective of mass psychology because I knew that

30:04 mass formation has huge, huge impact on individuals intelligence and cognitive functioning. And I've, I had the feeling that this was the only thing that could explain why highly intelligent people started to believe in an narrative and the numbers that were in many respects utterly absurd. I like that what you're doing here. I like the comparison between lockdowns and mandates and masks and hysteria and Black Lives Matter or critical race theory and hysteria. And just so you know, I know Matias. He reached out to me. We have contact. So if we ever want him to, you know, we could certainly suggest that he might want to do a little analysis of

30:52 of critical race theory or BLM or just the hysteria, he might be interested in that. I think that would be a wonderful idea because what we're seeing is, as you mentioned before, and kind of foreshadowing, all these topics are finding their way to school board meetings and town hall meetings and they're having this same kind of response. So now we have to go to the other side, which being Fox News, and they have, and just in complete transparency, Carol Swain, who she works for the 1776 Commission. And she's a former Princeton professor, and what she's gonna do, so you have this 1676

30:04 mass formation has huge, huge impact on individuals intelligence and cognitive functioning. And I've, I had the feeling that this was the only thing that could explain why highly intelligent people started to believe in an narrative and the numbers that were in many respects utterly absurd. I like that what you're doing here. I like the comparison between lockdowns and mandates and masks and hysteria and Black Lives Matter or critical race theory and hysteria. And just so you know, I know Matias. He reached out to me. We have contact. So if we ever want him to, you know, we could certainly suggest that he might want to do a little analysis of

30:52 of critical race theory or BLM or just the hysteria, he might be interested in that. I think that would be a wonderful idea because what we're seeing is, as you mentioned before, and kind of foreshadowing, all these topics are finding their way to school board meetings and town hall meetings and they're having this same kind of response. So now we have to go to the other side, which being Fox News, and they have, and just in complete transparency, Carol Swain, who she works for the 1776 Commission. And she's a former Princeton professor, and what she's gonna do, so you have this 1676

31:35 excuse me, 1619, slash critical race on one side, and then you have this on the other side, and she's going to talk about Biden and him promoting the non-existing CRT group. Well, yesterday we reported on the Department of Education's handbook for reopening schools, including a link to a radical activist group that wants to send white teachers to anti-racist therapy. Yeah, we saw that and we said, what's that about? Well now the administration backtracking. A Department of Education spokesperson telling Fox News, quote, the department does not endorse the recommendations of this group, the abolitionist teaching network, nor do they reflect our policy positions.

32:18 It was an error in a lengthy document to include this citation. Well, here with her reaction, Dr. Carol Swain, former professor at Princeton and Vanderbilt Universities and vice chair of the reconstituted 1776 commission. Good morning to you. Good morning. Good morning. So Dr. Swain, they say it's an error, but is it really an error? They had to intentionally go in and put that link on page nine. So this is a guidebook to reopening our schools. Reopening because of COVID. And on page nine, there's a link you click on it and it directs you to this website. Well, if it's an error, it's one of many that the Biden administration has made.

32:57 Ever since day one, it has aligned itself with radical groups. It has pushed critical race theory. And what I believe is happening is that Democrats are realizing that this is a losing issue for them. Wait a minute, so they put a link into the abolitionist teaching network? Network, they put it in there, how to reopen schools guidance for COVID. Wow, I'm looking at the way I put it in the show notes, of course. Uh-huh. Oh, all right. Oh, well, you know, when I heard that the abolitionist teaching network, I had to go follow the network. So I find Mr. Kev, Kev Melrose, well, he's not famous. He's not famous. Let me make it clear. But he's a big supporter and believer in the abolitionist teaching network and what they believe. And he goes on to

33:53 Speak on talking points by dr. Bonita L love And she's like the one of the founders of the abolitionist teaching network now in my empathetic space Which you're very good at you're good at it. Mo you've you can you got a lot of empathy I try I really try I But I will not call Kev a cuck because of my empathy for him. But if you had to, if it ever was one, and I'm not saying this because I'm just saying that the way I will be covering this

34:29 on Lost Tapes. Because this is one of those things that you need to have video with. You gotta dive a little deeper. Okay, yeah. Oh, you gotta have the video. Yes, that'll be next Wednesday, everybody. Next Wednesday on the YouTubes. Next Wednesday at 8 o'clock. Yeah, so, but we're gonna get into being a co-conspirator. No, excuse me, let's say it right. The co-conspirators guide to abolitionist teaching. All quotes and credit go to Dr. Bettina L. Love. Thank you. Hello, my name is Kevin Melrose. I'm a middle school social studies teacher with Indianapolis Public Schools and I'm here to talk with you today about abolitionist teaching. Abolitionist teaching is an idea brought forward by Dr. Bettina L. Love, who is a professor at the University of Georgia and one of the co-founders of the Abolitionist Teaching Network. Now, what is abolitionist teaching?

35:20 Abolitionist teaching is the practice of working in solidarity with communities of color while drawing on the imagination, creativity, refusal, remembering, visionary thinking, healing, rebellious spirit, boldness, determination, and subversiveness of abolitionists to eradicate injustice in and outside of schools. Abolitionist teaching works hand-in-hand with anti-racist teaching. All of the ideas I'm discussing today, I've gathered from this book. It's absolutely incredible and I highly encourage all of you to read it. What I will be discussing today is going to be focusing on what people that look like me with a similar status and privilege can do today to become abolitionists.

36:03 Abolitionist teaching means putting something on the line in the name of justice. Wanting dark folks to thrive and giving up power and positions in order for dark folks to do so. The work of recognizing and checking white emotionality is done before you enter dark spaces. White folks have to get well on their own terms before they engage with abolitionist teaching. Hold on, before we discuss this, I need to hear the last 10 seconds. I just gotta write down some of these terms. Abolitionist teaching means putting something on the line in the name of justice. Wanting dark folks to thrive and giving up power and positions in order for dark folks to do so. The work of recognizing and checking white emotionality is done before you enter dark spaces. White folks have to get well on their own terms before they engage with abolitionist teaching. Oh, my head hurts. Okay, dark books

36:58 Dark books no dark folks. I thought I said dark books. He said dark dark dark folks Dark who the hell says dark folks you I'm telling you KB a look at me come close if you're this Come on, you ever say dark folks around dark folks I don't know what they teaching you over there the network. Oh But don't come around so-called black people saying dark folks and dark spaces. And then just to balance it, white emotionality. Woohoo! I think I had some of that for breakfast. But you hear that this is that teaching that Biden's administration is pushing on these... It's really phenomenal because what he said was nothing. It was just a whole bunch of words and descriptions and then throw in dark spaces and dark folks and white

38:02 Emotionality? It's one level deeper. Well, you thought doing the work, you thought, you know, doing the work was gonna do it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You had to go a level deeper. No, that was just the beginning. That was just training wheels. Right, you had to come deeper and really relinquish your power, which if you're giving your power away, that means you still have power. And that's what these people don't seem to understand. But what they want to do is not seem like the white savior, which has became a trope or a meme like in these movies where like the white teacher comes to the black neighborhood. Yeah, but it's also, it's a cliche, but it's because it's true.

38:47 That's what they're trying to avoid. They're trying so they're like I need You think that's real? It's kind of like the thing with like where people like going vegan. It's like, you know, oh this I have vegan Non-gmo organic hand raised you would say it's like always one level deeper with with how real it is, but it's still You come from a place that you had to give me something. Like I can't do it for myself. And that's what they, it just totally misses them. It totally misses how condescending he is to say before you go to dark, where are dark spaces? I think that's if you go into clubhouse and then you got to hit a special code you turn left and then you get to the dark space. Dark people in dark space and you know how I feel about words. Yeah, well dark, first of all folks, I hate folks. Yeah. Folks are just rude. With X or without X?

39:45 That's the other thing they're trying to get they tried to get down to roll out on black folks. No, they told you fo LX. Yes. Nah I don't know if he's saying folks in that way of the non-binary Non-offensive way or if he said it with the tradition give me more from this guy. Give me more from this guy Let's go ahead and get more conspiratorial, too Now, you may be saying to yourself, Kevin, I am an ally. I believe in social justice for everyone. While that is great, it's simply not enough today. We cannot just be allies. We as white people must be co-conspirators. Allies do not put anything at stake and in today's day and age, that is simply not enough.

40:33 Blackness is not a condition that needs saved. White people that are trying to go into the classroom to save black and brown children are totally misguided and have no idea what these students actually need. The definition of a co-conspirator is to stand in solidarity and confront anti-blackness. A co-conspirator functions as a verb and not a noun. Co-conspirators can also be men who understand their privilege and work to challenge and undo the patriarchy. However, we cannot have these conversations about racism without talking about whiteness. The time-consuming and serious critique and reflection of one's sociocultural heritage, which includes identities related to race, ethnicity, family structure, sexuality, class, abilities, and religion, taken side by side,

41:21 with a critical analysis of racism, sexism, white supremacy, and whiteness is the groundwork of co-conspirators. Teachers who say they are deeply concerned about social justice or that they love all their children or I don't see color but cannot say the words black lives matter have no real understanding what social justice is and what it truly means to love, find joy, and appreciate their students and their students' culture. Mo, you're the right guy to ask. Do you know of any dark folks with an ex who would hear this guy and go, oh yeah, spot on? No, I don't know of any. Because it's like, oh yeah, that's what we need. We need white people who are co-conspirators and they're clued in. Yes. That's like, who was I?

42:18 I was reading, I mean, it's, it's a, he's in a deep, I mean, it's like, it's like he, he, he feels he got invited to the cookout and he can, and he's a play. He, he knows what to say now. I don't know. It's very uncomfortable. And like, he just verbatim spills out whatever these, uh, this network is teaching. And, and this is, this is their ideal product. that they want to have on the back side of this, which for me personally, and I mean if there may be others, I'm sure there's others out there like that, it still smacks of you think I am a victim. Yes. Even though you try to max that you're a white savior, it's like I acknowledge that I'm a white savior and the fact that I acknowledge that

43:09 it doesn't make me a white savior now. Right. They have a store on their website. Let's see if they got any cool hoodies with something stupid on it. Oh yeah, we can get the abolitionists. And you know the abolitionist teaching network is all in the pan-African colors. It's interesting. Okay. You know the red, the black, the orange, the black, the green. Of course it has to be, it has to be on message. On message, on point. Yeah. So he, what Kevvie needs to realize and I'm speaking from a place I want to help. I know I didn't, I didn't call Kevvie a cult. What I'm saying is if

43:52 You wanted to cast somebody in that role, he would probably, you'd probably prototype him around. Right. Central casting. Because he just doesn't want to be a fan. And I get it. He's probably been browbeaten so bad. What does he do? What is his vocation? What does he do? He's a middle school social studies teacher. No wonder these parents are so pissed off. This is like I said, this is the product that they're trying to create to destroy the patriarchy He said it himself it to be ally you must say black lives matter and what Kevin doesn't realize is the black lives matter brand is so tattered in USA and barred whenever you say that no matter if you're saying it's always negative or Boots on the ground you're gonna people here in the binary world. They hear Marxist and

44:48 And for that, I have Patrisse Cullors, one of the founders of Black Lives Matter, addressing if she's a Marxist or not. So y'all asked, and I am ready to answer. Am I a Marxist? Let's get into it. Hey everybody, my name is Patrisse Cullors. I am the co-founder of Black Lives Matter. I'm also the executive director of the Black Lives Matter Global Network. And welcome to my YouTube channel. We're gonna talk about something that I have been accused of over the last several months. It's been intense at times, it's been hilarious at times, but I feel like I need to set the record straight. Am I a Marxist? I've seen a lot of y'all's comments. In fact, I got them right here. Do not fall for their trick. They're pushing a communist agenda. Sorry, this is really funny.

43:52 You wanted to cast somebody in that role, he would probably, you'd probably prototype him around. Right. Central casting. Because he just doesn't want to be a fan. And I get it. He's probably been browbeaten so bad. What does he do? What is his vocation? What does he do? He's a middle school social studies teacher. No wonder these parents are so pissed off. This is like I said, this is the product that they're trying to create to destroy the patriarchy He said it himself it to be ally you must say black lives matter and what Kevin doesn't realize is the black lives matter brand is so tattered in USA and barred whenever you say that no matter if you're saying it's always negative or Boots on the ground you're gonna people here in the binary world. They hear Marxist and

44:48 And for that, I have Patrisse Cullors, one of the founders of Black Lives Matter, addressing if she's a Marxist or not. So y'all asked, and I am ready to answer. Am I a Marxist? Let's get into it. Hey everybody, my name is Patrisse Cullors. I am the co-founder of Black Lives Matter. I'm also the executive director of the Black Lives Matter Global Network. And welcome to my YouTube channel. We're gonna talk about something that I have been accused of over the last several months. It's been intense at times, it's been hilarious at times, but I feel like I need to set the record straight. Am I a Marxist? I've seen a lot of y'all's comments. In fact, I got them right here. Do not fall for their trick. They're pushing a communist agenda. Sorry, this is really funny.

45:46 So despicable how Marxists have infiltrated the civil rights movement and turned it into a monster. She is trying to burn the whole system down. Admitted trained Marxist and Black Lesbetic co-founder Patrice Cullors sends strongly worded letter to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris demanding they bow to their Black liberation domestic terror agenda. We warned you this was coming and now it's here. Patrice Cullors is a Marxist. All right, y'all. I mean, let's just talk about it. Am I a Marxist? I'm a lot of things. I do believe in Marxism. It's a philosophy that I learned really early on in my organizing career. We were taught to learn about the systems that were criticizing capitalism. We were taught to understand why there were philosophies that were criticizing capitalism.

46:40 But is she walking back that she said she was a trained Marxist and proud of it? Is she walking that back? No, she's walking in a circle because she went around and read all the comments saying basically that she's a self-admitted Marxist which she said she's a well-trained Marxist. I mean, I didn't feel like I needed to play the clip because we've addressed it enough. But then she goes through this and then she does the Kamala laugh. Yeah, and very inappropriately. Yeah. It's like such a joke. How could these people believe I'm a Marxist because I said I'm a Marxist. It's like, huh? This is the mind loop. And then she goes around saying, yeah, I am. No, she doesn't say I'm a Marxist, which I believe in Marxism. I got the 39 second clip of her saying it. We can go ahead. Just go ahead. I think that the criticism is helpful.

47:36 I also think that it might... I think of a lot of things. The first thing I think is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists. Okay, I heard that. But then it's a joke. It's like, I don't know how people can think I'm a Marxist by me just saying it. I don't know. It's pretty racist of you to hold me to my words. I mean, I don't even know what a Marxist is probably. Right. But when you say you're attacking capitalism, that makes my ears perk up because

48:18 I don't know about everybody else, but I enjoy capitalism when it's in its right form. And of course, I always criticize what we have now as some kind of corporatism or... Yes. But in the sense of the harder I work, the more I make, you know... When it works that way. Yeah, when it works that way, then it's true capitalism. But if you give me what I have now compared to Marxism, I can't go that route because I know what comes with it. So yeah, so that's when she lost a lot of people and that's why she had to go on her YouTube channel and address this topic. But I think poor Kevvie doesn't realize when you, when you, and I say that, like I said, with empathy now, I don't think he realizes when you say Black Lives Matter, that's a loaded term now. Yeah, it's no longer, it's no longer en vogue.

49:09 And now is the and once you attach that with critical race theory is this like it's toxic is toxic Yeah, it's very it's like radioactive. It's like you know we went for 1619 the black lives matter We got to get rid of Kevin Kevin's no good. He's got to go. He's screwing it up Well, I mean, Kevi is a product of what they've created. I mean, this is, you're looking at what they, their prime example of what they want on the backside of the training. So with that said, let's go ahead and get into the final clip with Kevi. We cannot have conversations about racism without conversations about intersectionality. When teachers shy away from intersectionality, they shy away from ever fully knowing their students' humanity and the richness of their identities.

49:51 Mattering cannot happen if identities are isolated and students cannot be their full selves. Fighting oppression is not just a hashtag. The real work is personal, emotional, spiritual, communal. It is explicit with a deep and intense understanding that loving blackness is an act of political resistance. And therefore, it is a fundamental aspect to teaching dark gifts. I'd like to interrupt. I just want to hear what he said there again. Communal. It is explicit with a deep and intense understanding that loving blackness is an act of political resistance. Loving blackness is an act of political resistance.

50:36 But what he started to clip off with, intersectionality. Yes. Who coined the term intersectionality, saying people to do this critical race theory? That was the Crenshaw lady. Exactly. It's the holding of the door. Here black people hold the door for critical race theory. And in that we're going to teach a whole bunch of intersectionality. And if you're a cisgendered male of the dark kind... Oh, I've learned a new term. I've learned a new term. It's cishet. Huh? We are, as far as I know, cishet. Bro, I'm super straight. Yeah, that's what I mean. Cishet. I know, I'm just saying, like, if you wanted to find me, I'm super straight. Right. So in the critical race circles, you are cishet, which is almost like an epithet. It's almost like a slur. I only got one badge. I only got my dark badge. No more badges for you.

51:31 The only badge you get. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Are you a midget? Are you under four feet tall? Because you can get an extra badge. Small person. Curry, small person. I know enough midgets, I'm okay saying it. They'll try and beat me up. Oh, you're a midget adjacent, huh? You just gonna throw out your privilege on me. I'm a midget ally, that's right. Alright, let's continue with our... No, I'm just saying, but that's how ridiculous it can get is Now, okay, now it's intersection out and you see how quickly he just slipped. Oh, right into it. One to the other. And that's, that's how it's going to go. And it's like, hold on, you want to attack the patriarchy? That's a no for me. You want to attack capitalism? That's a no for me. And then you do the slight of hand from dark topics to, and that's very, Kev, you better be careful. I'm just saying this once again for Kev. Anybody that may be listening,

52:26 When you say dark people, they're so close to darky. You know what I'm saying? Please do not use that term. Please, please. I beg you. But now back to the Marxism. Let me play the whole, we didn't play the whole Kevvy clip. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, no, I interrupted. So I'm going to start it from the beginning so we can get the full effect of the full Kevvy effect. We cannot have conversations about racism without conversations about intersectionality. When teachers shy away from intersectionality, they shy away from ever fully knowing their students' humanity and the richness of their identities.

53:01 Mattering cannot happen if identities are isolated and students cannot be their full selves. Fighting oppression is not just a hashtag. The real work is personal, emotional, spiritual, communal. It is explicit with a deep and intense understanding that loving blackness is an act of political resistance. And therefore it is a fundamental aspect to teaching dark kids. Only after unpacking and interrogating whiteness, white teachers, and really all teachers, must unpack how whiteness functions in their lives. Then they can stand in solidarity with their students' communities for social change.

53:44 We're now going to transition to what social studies teachers like myself can do to become abolitionist teachers, and that all starts with pedagogy. Pedagogy should work in tandem with students' own knowledge of their community and grassroots organizations to push forward new ideas for social change and not to just be a tool to enhance test scores or grades. Pedagogy, regardless of its name, is useless without teachers dedicated to challenging systematic oppression with intersectional social justice. Many public and charter schools have centered this idea of character education and it has replaced civics education. However, character education is anti-black. Oh really? Wish that goes into respectability politics.

54:30 Like when you try to teach people what's respectable or not, that's completely racist. But the interrogation of whiteness, like these are these terms, when people from the other side of the binary coin look at it, it's like, you want to interrogate white people, huh? That has its own imagery of like a spotlight that's swinging. You know what I'm saying? Like, where are we going to fourth? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That kind of thought so. But these are the trigger words. Now this guy, how old is he? He can't be older than 28, 29? Yeah, he doesn't look very old at all. I mean, he's probably fresh out of college, maybe four or five years. Oh, so this is it, huh? This is the social studies. Now, of course,

55:19 The problem which I'm recognizing now is that what he's saying and all these things, it is not critical race theory. So when people say critical race, when Ted Cruz says critical race theory, yeah, and everyone who is doing this can say you have no idea what you're talking about. That's not critical race theory because it's not. It's just evil. It's lame, it's lame. It's not, but it's not. It's perfect because it's not what the topic is because when you actually say that word and go read the book it's a law theory. Yes. But the way they're selling it

56:01 to the middle schools and elementary schools and high schools as this rethinking of race. Seeing things, everything through a racist, a racial lens. I'm gonna say racist. A racial lens. And to do that, it's like you have to admit that you're racist going back to white fragility. All this is connected. Gotta atone. White man gotta atone right off the bat. Right. Which it's not even atonement because we know what that means as well because you can't force atonement. It's, you know, a person has to want to atone. You know what I mean? Like, it's, I want to do this. Oh, hold on a second. Of the white people I know who are completely into this, Mo, they really do want to atone. They really do feel the guilt. They, in fact, do interrogate themselves on this. They do workshops.

56:54 There's a lot of people who are doing that and they're very now I think there's also a lot of people I've heard talk in social settings where they talk a big game but are they gonna go sign up for the you know the for the course now. But oh yes, oh it's so important. Yes. Well, Kevvie said if you want to be a real ally, I mean not an ally, because he said you need to be a co-conspirator. An ally is not enough. All you people out there that were just doing the talk, it's time to walk the walk. It's time to put something on the line. Kevvie said it. You have to put something on the line. Like your name on a check. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Hand it up. That's what they want. That's the whole point. I want to try and get something out before I forget. Please. Before it passes. So,

57:37 And I think this is a true scenario because you know I used to hang out back in the Austin days with the Obama bots and so I you know I was accused of very early on years ago, six and a half years ago by Professor Pennebaker who was at one of these dinners and he's a I'm a big fan of his work. He does the performatives. That's his that's his big body of work. And he and his wife were there well we're just sitting there saying well you know you have white privilege and I'd never heard of this. So what are you talking about? It's so obvious. So these people, they are so racist without knowing it. Here's how I perceive it. So they'll talk these big games, oh so important, and then there will be a name. And it'll be someone, you know, it's not going to be Kevvy, it'll be either like a Patrice Cullors or I can actually just go down

58:31 And here, let's see, I can just go to the Abolitionist Teacher Network and just look at our people. And let's see, we have, let's just grab one. We've got Ashley, she, her, hers, activists in residence. And so the way it would go at this dinner party is, oh, I met Ashley, she, her, hers. And she's the activist in residence at the abolition. She's so impressive. She is just, I mean, she is, she's just, oh my God, you have to meet her. And I'm doing my Becky voice. Yeah, I know what you're saying. And so they will take

59:12 a person, a dark person, and they will, and they elevate them. And then, and it's almost like a worshipping of, you know, this is, oh my goodness, she's so good. Yes. Oh, we all can learn so much from her. And I've always, it gives me the creeps when people do that. I've said a term, I don't know if I coined it or not, but I call that conspicuous consciousness. Conspicuous consciousness, okay? Right, so conspicuous consumption is when you buy things for people to know that you have money, to know that you have wealth. I'm gonna buy this.

59:52 by the poor. It's virtue signaling in a way. Right, but what you're saying is the conspicuous consciousness is I'm gonna go find Ashley and put her into my circle. That way I can let other people know. And like I said, virtue signaling is one of those terms. And like I said, I don't use those terms because it's just It has its own meaning now. It's not actual meaning. I agree. Yeah, I agree. Right. So when you say conspicuous consciousness, it's your want to be conscious so people can know that you're conscious, you know, of or you're down, you know, for the cause, that kind of thing. So right. And by the way, my family, my whole family is like this.

1:00:36 all white, extremely upper-class, either political or in intelligence services and they're not racist. I know my family but it's just insincere. I know they don't really mean it. It's preemptive. It's worse than that. It's preemptive in the fact that Before I even the notion or it can be thought that I'm Right. Let me let you know right away. Yeah, right Let me get the book and lay it on white fragility book laying on the coffee table. Let me put the black lives I was on Megyn Kelly today. Mm-hmm. And of course right off the bat I named checked Mo Fax, you know, but I felt like saying like, you know, I have I have a black friend and

1:01:34 I have one black friend. By the way, I laid the black queen white queen on Megyn Kelly. She loved it. We were talking about Merkel. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. You got to hear this. It was it was dynamite. It was like Mo Fax all the way. You'll love it. So that's the thing though, is it preemptive or is it out of fear or is it just out of your true empathy that you want to understand somebody and that's what we do here, right? You come here, I come here, seek first to understand then to be understood. And I don't think it's out of empathy to understand people. I remember my uncle called me one day and he was ambassador and he was all kinds of

1:02:21 You know, in Korea, I mean, CIA, he's been around, right? So he's been in an interesting situation. And so he's way retired. This is maybe 10, 15 years ago. He calls me up and says, Adam, I got to go. He was working for some think tank, the Korea Society. I'm sure it's a front for something else. And he was the president of the Korea Society. You know, Adam, I'm going to be talking to some inner city youth. And I really want to be able to connect with them And I guess he was calling me like MTV guy. Maybe I have some hip-hop tips for him or something So, you know should I let them know that I for years I walked around with an Uzi Strapped to my arm and would that connect with them? I was speechless small. I was fucking speechless

1:03:06 Only if you held it sideways. Yeah, exactly. Uncle Don, if you could do that gangsta like that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now that you'll connect with. Otherwise, stay away from that. But that's why we have to do what we do here is to be empathetic because all these people mean well. They mean well, yes, of course. He doesn't mean, you know, but when you go binary, It's like either are you giving a bar in your option or you're racist. If you want to be a co-conspirator, it's like, okay. Well, I don't want to be a racist, so I have to be a co-conspirator. And that's where we are. And what happened to ally? What happened to ally? Why did it have to be a co-conspirator? No, no, no, no, because you don't have anything on the line.

1:03:50 If you're just an ally, you're just talking the talk. You gotta be, cus spirited does work. You gotta give some of that privilege up, which I don't understand how you do that. Here's a quarter share of my privilege. You wanna wear that around? It's still walking the walk, I mean still talking the talk. But it's just, I'm willing, if I'm pushed to it, I'll put something on the line. But what troubles me is when you hear communist and Marxism. And the reason why that is, I have a clip here, it was actually was an ad from MSNBC from one Melissa Harris Perry on who owns kids.

1:04:31 We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had kind of a private notion of children. Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children. So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the households, then we start making better investments. Oh, all your kids belong to us. Yeah. Interesting. And that's, that was an old clip. That comes from... I miss her. I miss her. She, you know, although, you know, Joy Reid is even more fun, but I do miss... She was in Raw Optics. Oh, no kidding. I'm just being honest with you. Yeah, no, she was definitely. And she was... Raw Optics. She was in Raw Optics because they had to go... And this is the conspicuous...

1:05:27 Consciousness is like well, we can't have Melissa Harris Perry up there. You know she's awful fair-skinned dark person Dark folks up here. Yeah, really dark dark spirit that Joy Reid has yeah, so that's that's where you see this kind of shift in And it's in this by it's like I said, it's a conscious decision by whoever's making the calls But that's what troubles me and that's what troubles a lot of other people when you hear this Talk of your parents that your kids don't belong to you. We could teach your kids what we want to There's a heated gubernatorial race in Virginia right now Yes, that's your backyard and what wasn't there some some scandal the guy said something and give us a rundown. I

1:06:11 Yeah, he's basically said the same thing that she said that we could teach your, it's our job to teach your kids what they need to know, not the parents. And it's like a hit ad that they're running like on verbatim, but it's the same thinking. It's like, we know better than you. The scary thing is they mean it. Yes, yes. And that's why you see what's happening at these school board meetings of I mean, look at California, not to slip over in COVID, but if somebody could tell you your kids can't come to school unless they have the shot. I mean, like, where does it stop it? Now, of course, we had immunization and those kind of things of that nature, but it's the binary thing is I'm going to jab it in your eye. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to make you

1:07:00 understand fold and show you who has the real power and these power okay exactly all of these moves every let the same what Kev is doing it's supposed to come across as now you can do some stuff you can work on it you can help you co-conspirator but if you don't If you say no, if you say no, let me say yes, I'm nice, Kev. Don't make me mad, Kev. Exactly. And he got a little spicy there at the end too. I mean, if you notice his tone changed. So I'm just going back because my head was kind of filled with it. Because there's that Megyn Kelly thing. Hold on, it's important this because this was about Sharon Osbourne, which to me, that's how I got to the Oprah thing. Because it's more than just

1:07:47 an M5M and you know ratings fracas that they're stirring up but they had some so you know Sharon Osbourne he got in a fight because she supported Piers Morgan so she was supporting racist and then what Cheryl what's the girl's name the woman's name Cheryl Cheryl I think it's Cheryl Underwood yes Underwood yeah Cheryl Underwood so then they had a recording of her and Sharon Osbourne in her dressing room and gosh I wish I had that I mean I only heard it because I was listening to the show where she says to Sharon Osbourne you have to understand we are under enormous pressure if there's anything that even sniffs of racism if we don't call it out then then we get accosted on the street

1:08:39 And I thought that was an important thing because it's easy to hate Cheryl for what she did. I humanized her in that moment. I said, okay, I don't think you're very intelligent that you're just gonna let that happen. But wow, when you're talking about your career because, you know, people could cancel her easily. And it seems like that's a real thing. And the ones that are really getting canceled are the ones on their own side. We saw with Rachel Nichols over ESPN, the same thing. They dug up a tape and these tapes, these emails, I don't know if you don't keep up with sports, but John Gruden, I'm sure you saw him. Oh yeah, the Raiders coach. Yeah, they got him up out of there off some emails and the first email came out that he said a guy had big lips and people were crying on TV like, oh my God!

1:09:25 big lips and it's such a racial trope. It's like did he say big black lips? I mean I don't know you say he had big lips because he's black or did you say that he had big lips? I don't understand. I don't get it but either way it's like... Well first of all they wanted him out for some reason because this doesn't happen just just like oh he stumbled across some old stuff he sent. So they wanted him out. I don't know what was going on and why. But I just gotta show you that this is how they're digging up emails and these emails he wasn't even in coaching in the NFL at the time. But then they came back, the big lips didn't get him so they found some homophobic and misogynistic. What do you think the end goal, is there an end goal to this? Do you think that it's...

1:10:08 Well, let's clear some people out of the way and we can move in? Because it doesn't seem like that's actually happening. Well, just as a sidebar conversation, I think with John Gruda's situation, they used him to get the team to Vegas and now the NFL no longer needs him. And the Raiders are the bastard child of the NFL. Understand the ownership Al Davis when baby just what was it when baby winner just when my dad would kill me because that's his favorite team If I got that quote wrong, but I think it's win baby win if I'm not mistaken but he was the owner and president of the AFL and

1:10:47 So the Raiders have always been the red-headed stepchild of the NFL when they merged. Ah, okay. So this is gonna sound stupid. So the Raiders are now in Vegas? Yes. But they needed a good coach. No, because they moved from Oakland and Oakland was this stronghold of support for this team. Big time, yeah. So I think they brought Gruden in to smooth it over, kind of like the Barclays-Jay-Z thing, right? We need somebody with, you know, Sway with the crowd right? Handsome looking white coach, right? He just fit the Raiders. It's an MO of this tough guy like tough as nails guy Yeah, he got into Vegas now. They got a good foothold in Vegas like now We gotta shake get rid of this guy and if we do it to the Raiders, you know, wow They could have just asked him to leave

1:11:37 Seems severe. Why do you want to destroy a guy? Well, you still got NFL still has to remind people that they're woke. True that. I mean, they're on the woke probation. You know what I'm saying? It's like, okay. WB. WP. Woke probation, everybody. They're on the woke probation. You gotta let them know that we still are still in formation. Excuse me. You have to come over here and talk to Mo Fax, your parole officer. So let's see, we stopped at the, let's go, okay, 16. So let me set this right quick. So this is, again, this is Kimberley Crenshaw and she's talking to Joy Reid this time. So it's going to be a fantastic conversation now. She can let her hair down like she couldn't do with Metty. But they're going to discuss critical race theory is explained neither

1:12:27 as is explained as neither Marxist nor racist by the leading scholar, Kimberly Crenshaw, who co-developed the framework of the study and coined this term. Some of you may be wondering, what's the deal with the GOP freak out over critical race theory? It's everywhere and was even used as a GOP call to arms at a conservative Christian conference last week. The old Marxism used economics to gain control. The new Marxism, the new Marxism uses identity politics. And the result is something that looks nothing like America. There's no reason to believe that this new Marxism will result in anything but what the old Marxism resulted in. Critical race theory is racism, pure and simple.

1:13:13 And it should be rejected by every American of every race. Let me tell you right now, critical race theory is bigoted, it is a lie, and it is every bit as racist as the Klansmen in white sheets. Okay, but here's the thing, none of this is random. This is the result of a highly manufactured strategy created by seasoned political operatives looking for the perfect wedge issue to take back power. Something to combat the energy of the multiracial coalition that took Georgia and something to replace Blue Lives Matter since January 6 exposed that slogan as a sham. Conservatives in Congress took note and started chattering

1:13:56 which was then ingested into the feeder system of Fox News. The tagline disseminated and the war against critical race theory took off. Chatter, you know what I really like because I see this all day long. It's part of my job. On Fox they're playing MSNBC, on MSNBC they're playing Fox, on CNN they're playing both. They are, they're in the drain They're circling and they're all going to no one's watching this crap anymore, which is great for us But also sad if they go away Because we do need the entertainment but this it's this it's this that that's it When you're blaming your colleagues imagine your colleagues over another station. I mean, that's it's dumb It's petty and that's all they've got. I

1:14:51 this critical race theory and these binary terms are the rating drivers. So they have to get involved in it and it works for the politicians, like I said, because it does get me like when you hear critical race theory, I mean, I have to say on the right, it's a scary term for them to use. It's like, oh, you don't want that CRT, you know, that critical race theory invasion. Oh no, it's totally disingenuous the way they're playing it too. And now I understand the Ted Cruz thing. So they've got the critical race cannon pointed at Cruz as nuts. They just want to blow him up. And that's part of Texas. Texas, they think, is in play. You know, they're doing all kinds of... Democrats are doing all kinds of things in Texas. They're really trying to turn it blue. So taking out Ted Cruz would be, I guess, something that they think is important because that's what they're doing.

1:15:40 Yes, the problem is when you start going into the schools, that's gonna be a major problem. So Well, yeah, because it's not about politicians. It's parents. It's parents who are standing up. It's way beyond Ted Cruz Right, and they're just latching on to the momentum on the ground. Yes, of course. And you see the same thing with the media. The media is latching on to, oh, if you throw critical race theory in the title, it's going to be a big, big, big winner with the ratings. You're right. Good point. So I mean, like I said, and it just keeps everybody in a fervor to 2022. That's the whole point. Oh, that's all intended for that, yeah. Right, and then it gives you a sub story to talk about outside of COVID, right? I mean, like, it's like people get COVID fatigue. So then we go back to the race. You got to have something that nothing else really talk about. I mean, to be honest with you. So these are two topics that they've chosen to be the big deals for 2022.

1:16:39 So now we got to go back to your clips and now this is leaders know this you want to set this up or you know Yes, well this is once the spell has been cast That's when the manipulation starts and I think I'm not sure if it's this clip But there's there may be a little extra thing about the so-called leaders. This is the professor De Smet again so the masters can only exist if if they have an enemy, if they have an object of anxiety. That's something that was very well described by Orwell in 1984 where he talked about the Eurasian warrior who was a constant threat but nobody actually knew whether he really existed or not. But the masses and the totalitarian system always have

1:17:28 have to invent new enemies, new objects of anxiety because if there would be no object of anxiety the masses would not have a reason to exist because one of the main reasons is the controlling anxiety so and the leaders of the masses feel that if there would be no object of anxiety anymore, the masses would wake up and what would they do if they wake up? The first thing they would do is kill their leaders. Yes. I'm going to send this episode to the professor. Maybe he'll do some deconstruction on CRT with his expertise. So with that in mind, you will see the vested interest to keep people in the binary trap because we

1:18:16 Just not saying we got to a post racial Anywhere near it is the fact that a lot of people could walk away from the George Floyd case and like we got our guy He's gone for good Justice was done. I went and did my March. I walked across the Black Lives Matter mural No, no, no, no, no, we gotta keep them we gotta keep them jacked up so this is just another thing and It's just that like the leaders know it's like we got to keep them in a state of state of fear

1:18:55 Right, because it is the Democrats need it and it's red meat for the Republicans, no pun intended, because the more they say it, the more they put out race. It's always been like that, the Black Lives Matter and her confession. Her confession is so critical and it's when I say her, I'm talking about Patrisse Cullors. Her confession that they are Marxists just tanks everything from now on. Excuse me, what you're right about. I think is that the CRT is great for both parties. They both like using this as their tentpole issue and pontificating about it. It's really unproductive for anybody.

1:19:37 Of course, but it's no progress leaves us in a deadlock and it just keeps the leaders alive. I'm not saying, Nate, easy, easy whoever's listening. Just from his analysis, the constant keeping them in formation keeps them alive if you want to say metaphorically their political careers or Even you're saying it's literally their literal lives. Yeah, absolutely. Well, okay. Well, that's interesting because we're gonna have to see CRT critical race theory for what it's being used for and not what it really is. Yes What do you call it? Object of anxiety. Yes. That's what it is. Um, I

1:20:23 So I guess we can go in and let Joy and Miss Chris talk to you on part two. I was hoping we'd go back to that. Here we go. No one wants a boogeyman near their kids, and certainly not in their classrooms. The operatives know this. Those fears got played up and now along with the fear of trans kids taking over junior high handball, parents are fighting with school boards in cities and towns across the country over curricula that they believe teaches white kids that they are racist. None of this is actually happening. But who cares about a little old thing like the truth when you have the perfect campaign buzzword for 2022? It even has the magic word in it, race.

1:21:02 Joining me now is Kimberly Crenshaw, co-founder and executive director of the African American Policy Forum and the legal scholar who coined the term Critical Race Theory. So it is your fault, madame. I tripped over the curb this morning and I went, Critical Race Theory? Damn you! You tripped me! It does everything bad. And the cicadas, y'all really need to stop with the cicadas, Critical Race Theory. That was not nice. We can throw everything in the bag. Everything in the bag. So I just wrote down a few of the notes of what people are calling Critical Race Theory. Marxism, racism, bigoted. Let's start with the Marxism. That's their favorite one. They're using that every single time. And I hate to ask you, I hate to ask dumb questions. So please don't think that I'm dumb.

1:21:49 It's critical race theory, Marxism. Don't worry, Joy, we'll do that for her. So that's the thing. If you say critical race theory, they'll point to her book and the official academic term of critical race theory, but that's not what it is. And Joy did tell truth there. She says that it didn't, doesn't teach white kids that they're racist. No, it teaches their teachers that they're racist. And then the kids teach, the teachers teach the kids. So there is, like I said, they word these things very carefully and what the product they want is Kevbies in every classroom is constantly reminding people to, you know, be co-conspirators. Kevvie's in it. Okay. Kevvie in every classroom.

1:22:38 Right, it's sad to say but that's the goal of this whole thing and They can never shake that Marxist term, but because of what Patrice said, it's just anything that's tied to race now, it is tied back to Black Lives Matter. It's gonna be Marxist. It's gonna be Marxist. And this is a first. This is not a first in the fact that we talked about the Communist Party and racial dealings all the way back to the 1930s or even earlier. I mean, yeah, definitely even earlier than that. But, um, America but now this is the first time we had it like actually put out on the front where it's you know it's very clear to see what's going on here um so yeah it's clear to us

1:23:29 Well, no, you can always go back and play the clip of her saying she's a Marxist. And that's not just from the Republican side. I mean, I don't know where they, I don't want this misconception in that black people are for Marxism, not that I speak for all black people, but that just never took, I mean, because you had a lot of other groups that had Marxist views, they never could get a stronghold because that just doesn't, support, you know, the average economic view of the average black American. There's such things that, you know, we...

1:24:06 We want to be credited for our work. You know what I mean? We're just like every other American in that aspect of it, you know, we want to get paid more. We don't want people to tell us what to do with our kids. We want to have property ownership. These things are big to us. So they'll never get a stronghold. And like I said, she burned herself when she said that. But you hear the language that Joy's using, operative, these loaded terms and I think this projection because... You think? You think calling it a strategy by the Republicans whereas the strategy is this whole setup? Right, and that's the whole thing and it might work for them because as long as they get their Republicans talking about race period

1:24:54 They can always label them the racists in the masses. So maybe from that aspect of it, it's like, oh, it's a... So what would you... Political consultant, Mr. Moe. What would you advise Ted Cruz to do? Or Marco Rubio or any of these dudes? would not respond from a political standpoint? Yeah, so all gas no brakes in the Marxism. Yeah, I mean that's a winner. I mean that's a winner. All gas no brakes. All gas no brakes. Because it works and that's what gets them. I mean you hear her addressing it. Anytime you hear them trying to bring it in like oh there's the critical race theory that you discussed at Harvard. I mean that's that kind of thing. Was that based in Marxism?

1:25:41 No, but you heard what Kevvy said and I trust Kevvy more than Kearnshaw. So in this aspect of it, because I think she's a bit out of touch on where they're taking this as well. But with that said, I think we stopped at two. Let's go ahead and get into three. Is critical race theory Marxism? Look, you know what? Here's the thing, Joy. Critical race theory... Stop, stop. Answer the question. Answer the question. You know what? Here's the thing. She hit the trifecta on the... That's performative. That's performative right there. You know, Joy, instead of that's a great question. Nope. Let's find out the answer. If she's going to give an answer. Is critical race theory Marxism?

1:26:27 Look, you know what, here's the thing, Joy. Critical race theory is not so much a thing, it's a way of looking at a thing. It's a way of looking at race. It's a way of looking at why after so many decades, centuries actually, since the emancipation, we have patterns of inequality that are enduring, they're stubborn. And the point of critical race theory originally was to think and talk about how law contributed to the subordinate status of African Americans, of indigenous people, and of an entire group of people who were coming to our shores.

1:27:06 from Asia. And the point was, quite frankly, to understand the problem in order to intervene in it, to understand why the greatest hopes for our republic were not being realized, even though these hopes were encoded in law. So, critical race theory just inherits the beliefs and the hopes of Frederick Douglass, of Martin Luther King, who basically want the law to do for the freed people what the law did for enslavers. And we picked that up

1:27:41 in the 70s and 80s after the Civil Rights Movement to say, okay, so now we've had this big Civil Rights Movement. We have all these laws in the books, but things really aren't looking as different as they should if we are really the society that we say we are. What I would have to say is if you're dealing with this from the 70s and 80s, you're a lawyer, right? And you've been dealing with how law has been used as a tool or either at worst, at best ineffective for so-called black people. I will find you ineffective because you've been doing this for 40 years. Nothing's happened. What do they want? What does she want? I mean, what do you want?

1:28:25 She wants to stay where she's at in her nice comfortable spot where she can just pontificate about uh this these theories of race and not actually go into trial law or these things that actually like hey i got an idea how about you take on these uh algorithms this right this bail that actually is impacting that's a real tangible problem that's based off a race we've covered this here how these algorithms calculate yes that's real legal problems, not trying to get... But have you ever heard, maybe it's in some of the other clips, but does she ever mention exactly what legal issues are racist? They go back to reconstruction and civil rights and

1:29:10 It's all about voting. I mean, let's just be honest here. Everything's about voting. It's about the voting laws and you saw with Georgia and Texas and all these other places, it's all about the access to voting and making it easier for people to vote, which I don't understand how that's very easy. If the polls are overwhelmed, make more polls. I mean, that's a very simple ask, but it's like, well, we don't need to show ID either. And it's like, we've proven that That's the crazy idea to think that's racist to say somebody should have to show ID to think that black people don't have IDs. It's like, I mean, but this is, they're brought up there to fear airtime. To keep people engaged into the racial conversation until 2022, because there's a lot at stake in that race.

1:29:59 and they've lost a lot of leverage. Hell, if you want to talk about that, I mean, it's a whole thing called a mandate that a lot of people, dark people are not feeling. So how about those, how about those civil rights? How about we jump on that? But it's like, no, no, no. No, no, that's not true. That's not true. It's only Republicans who are anti-vaxxers. It's not true what you say. Yeah, last time I checked New York, you were saying the numbers are awfully low on the um, on the who's enthused about taking the shot. With the dark folks with an X. Right. So um, yeah, so that's that's the whole thing with um,

1:30:40 Well, we got some more clips with him. Let's go ahead and just let him wrap up with the last two clips. So we put about the task of understanding how law wasn't just the neutral referee. Law wasn't always on our side. In fact, law was less on our side than for on our side. And we wanted to tell these stories in order to do better with the promises that are embedded in the Constitution. That's what's in critical race theory. So is critical race theory, is there a K-12 curriculum that right now is being taught? I'm sorry, I know it's a dumb question but is there a K-12 curriculum on critical race theory that's being taught in schools around this country?

1:31:19 Well, look Joy, if it was news to most Americans that critical race theory was in K through 12, it was news to me too. I'm one of the co-authors of one of the few books on critical race theory. I think I would know if we were being taught in K through 12. I mean, basically critical race theory, classic critical race theory is a law school course and it's really not taught as widely as I would hope it would. But here's the deal. This is not about whether anything called critical race theory is in K-12. What they're calling critical race theory doesn't exist anyway.

1:31:56 Oh, okay. There it is. That's even better. So, critical race theory is not there, but whatever you're calling it, that's not real. Go away. Because the actual question that Joy... It was something completely different, yeah. The question you should ask was, so what is being confused for critical race theory in K-12? That would be the actual question that journalists would ask. Yeah, but it's not. There's nothing because she said it. There's nothing. She hit it out there, and now there's nothing. There's nothing there. So what is that that was just linked into that document on page 9 with the Abolitious Teaching Network? What is that? I mean, these classes that we're seeing, these teachers are being forced to go attend. What is that? Yeah, but I think you said it earlier. Critical race theory is what got the teachers into this mode, and now they're just off the hook.

1:32:52 Right, it's like I've been, they're evangelists. They got the programming. They're evangelists, so it's like I gotta teach it to my pupils. Do you think they have a badge? Do they have a little badge? Like, do they get a decoder ring when you're part of the club and you're on a little office? A little Afflicious Network badge? Yeah, ID card or something. I'm sure they do, you're probably in the network. It's like, go Google me, I'm in the network. Did you look into that thing? Who's funding that? With that I did not look into it. I mean like I said, it's just it's I did not look, I did not have a chance to look into the actual network. I stopped with Kevi. That was harsh enough. That's all I need to see. Is that, that's your, that's your fruit? This tree is producing. I'm good to go with all I need to know. But of course I'll do, I'll do more research into it as time permits. But I want to stick on talking to the expert, the co-author, the no co-creator of

1:33:52 critical race theory and her denial that it even exists. So let's wrap up with them with number five. It is a backlash effort to reverse the racial reckoning unlike any we've seen in our lifetime. And as you pointed out at the beginning, they can't say, you know, well, I want to hear her say that again. It is a backlash effort to reverse the racial reckoning, unlike any we've seen in our lifetime. And as you pointed out at the beginning, they can't say, you know, we're for racism. They can't say Derek Chauvin should have killed George Floyd with his hand in his pocket looking like he was completely without a care in the world. They couldn't say that.

1:34:33 So they looked around and found a strange sounding theory that they could put all of the grievances and resentments in and mobilize people around this boogeyman. And if our side can't really understand what's going on, it's going to work. It's worked in the past. It worked in Reconstruction and it can work to end this reckoning too. Yeah, alright. That was purely political. That's the whole point. It's all politics. It's all about voting in 2022. And I'll say this, as you heard her say, she said the racial reckoning, she said that she's so tapped in that she would know about things. Well, little does she know that it's not

1:35:23 politically correct to say racial reckoning. I liked it actually. Well of course it rolls off the tongue very easily but the Washington Post opinion piece says do not call it a racial reckoning. The race towards equality has barely begun. That's the headline. Really? Of course yes. And then also the CNN has one as well is there was no racial reckoning. So She's out of the loop that one, no racial reckoning has existed, I mean it doesn't exist or you know hasn't materialized yet. But like I said that she's antiquated not to be ageist or anything but

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1:48:15 So we left off on the racial reckoning. So what I want to do is go and find out the actual meaning of reckoning. Ah, racial reckoning, okay. Or reckoning. Yes. Reckoning, yes. Can I make a guess without knowing? Sure. Is it derivative from German for the bill, for the Rechnung? I'm not sure. You said from the bill, from the bill. Yeah, like if you get a bill that you call for the reckoning, the reikening. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay. Yeah, it's similar. Settling up, settling up. You're close. Okay. That's almost it. But there's other meanings as well. It's a very... A tricky one. ...peculiar word that can be used in so many formal and informal ways. So I have, I swear English, that's a YouTube channel. And he's an English teacher. And he has a wonderful English accent. So let's go and get into 23. Okay, we have a couple of phrasal verbs with this as well.

1:49:20 to reckon, to settle an account but it's more common to reckon up to work out the final amount like to tally up to balance the debits and credits so look you pay for everything today and we'll reckon up at the end of the day yeah we'll equalize it again to settle account okay so to reckon I reckon I think it's my opinion or to calculate to reckon up to settle debts to settle an account to tally up if you like to reckon on you're going to have to reckon on this happening expect to reckon with to deal with yeah and then

1:50:19 somebody to be reckoned with or something to be reckoned with a powerful force that's going to be difficult to reckon with okay the origin of this word comes from proto-germanic there's a word Rechanoa which means to count and to explain But this word reckon, in nearly all of the senses I've given you, it's informal. It's great for an informal conversation in the pub, but in something semi-formal or something formal, writings particularly, I think my opinion is, I calculate, I figure to settle up an account,

1:51:05 to expect, to deal with, to anticipate. Okay? So, to reckon. Okay. A lot more meaning to it than I initially thought. Because you were in the informal way, but he also gave the formal meanings, meaning something to reckon with a force or to settle up, as you said, in the informal way. So either way she said that, with her being a lawyer, AKA a word wizard. How does she mean that racial reckoning? Is it like a racial force to be, you know, to be reckoned with or is it... Right, right. Any of those other meanings besides the... Eve and Steven are kind of frightening. Yeah, about get back. I mean, another way you could say that is the get back. Right, yes. So how are you using this word? Settle the score. Yes.

1:52:03 So what does that mean? When you hear that, it's like, okay. It's aggressive. Yeah, so in the minds of people that may be self-conscious about race, it's like, well, we... Narrative, I'm going narrative here. We oppressed them for 400 years and they want reckoning. What does that mean? You're saying like that makes people nervous. Yeah, because wait a minute. Does it mean 400 years for us? Yes. That's where I can go. Or 400 years, ah, they can handle another 100. What's the problem? Right. So I mean that could be... it's fascinating that she used that word. Doubtful. That one's doubtful. But yeah. Yeah. It's aggressive and scary that way, yes. Yeah, so what is that racial reckoning? That just sounds... that's not like a black exploitation film, you know what I'm saying? Where like the Panthers is coming back to, you know what I'm saying, to get whitey or whatever. Like so...

1:53:03 Why use that term but and then like I said the article said don't use that term So I just found that she was out of the loop with that again Yeah, so now we have to go to the other side of the binary coin and go over to the Fox News side And this is Tucker Carlson. This is the blur from the video Tucker Carlson tonight host blast Blast critical race theory and highlights parents pushback Good evening and welcome to Tucker Carlson tonight. Loudoun County, Virginia, right outside Washington DC was for a very long time for generations a reasonable place. It was orderly and calm. It was well maintained. Loudoun County famously worked, certainly in contrast to the city nearby.

1:53:51 And then two things happened to Loudoun County. First, lots of federal money flowed in. All those government contracts in Washington made Loudoun County rich. In fact, Loudoun County is now the single richest county in the entire United States. And that's been a problem because any place you find easy money, you will also inevitably find large numbers of unhappy white liberals. Those brittle neurotics with the masks on screaming at everyone else to get in line. Loudoun County has a whole bunch of those people now. It also has a huge number of immigrants. One out of every four people in Loudoun County was born in another country. Now, in general, most immigrants are not very liberal at all, actually. In fact, many of them have what would now be described as extreme right-wing positions on social issues. If you ever have a chance, ask a Salvadoran what he thinks of transgenderism. It'll make you laugh, probably nervously. You'll look around and see if anyone heard it.

1:54:46 But as a practical matter, it doesn't matter at all what immigrants, what Salvadorans or Pakistanis think of social issues or how they organize their own families. Immigrants vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic Party and those votes give more power not to them, but to those unhappy white liberals who want to blow everything up. So this made me realize, first of all, there's a lot of loaded language as in the Joy Reid clips of neurotics and there's a lot of... The hyperbole is just as heavy on that side, absolutely. And that's what I want to show, it just attracts and pulls away from both into these two camps. But what also he said, it made me realize is

1:55:33 This is not for the target audience is not quote-unquote black black American people. This is training the kids of the new immigrants. Yes, because as he said they come from very I mean if you talk about just take the groups is just coming into the country now in mass. Central America and Mexico, they have very strong patriarchal system, right? You look at the Haitians, same, similar thing. You look at the Afghanis, similar thing. So these are a lot of people that's coming into the country, especially Loudoun County or counties like Loudoun County, which is right up the road for me. So I'm ground zero on this kind of thing.

1:56:16 You gotta get in those kids heads early. You have to, and I think that's the reason why you hear the term dark people. Because you can't use POC anymore. You can't use black anymore. You can't use brown. Right, brown means. So you really think they're gonna go with this, with the dark stuff? Well, they're rolling out different terms. Like I said, the POC is dead. They tried that, some kind of crazy acronym, but those don't work. Like I said, black has its own connotation to it. Brown is more Hispanic, so your Middle Eastern or Indian kids don't fall under that. So it's white and then what's opposite of white, so it's like we can't do black, so let's go with dark. So this is probably not news to you, but this clearly shows that the Democratic Party has given up on black America. They've given up.

1:57:12 They don't care. Well, no, no, what they are, there's now this is another term I came up with, they're cicadocrats. Okay. They go dormant for a long period of time. Cicadocrats. Until they come to the time for us to vote and they dig their way out of the dirt and they come over to us like it's time to vote now black folks. But in the meantime, they had to actually engage with these other groups and set up because If you let kids come here and see that their parents' way got them, conservative ways got them to the point they're at without any pushback. Yeah, you lose. You'll lose them. You know what I'm saying? And so now it's like they have to go full Kirk Press on one, giving them superiority over the white kids. I think that's the whole point of this critical race theory in the academic way.

1:58:06 because they have to train these newly integrated people into becoming liberal. Into submissions. Train them into voting for us. Yes. Well, make them counter their parents. I mean, it's just like any teenager, right? You make them... Of course. It's probably easy. Yeah, it's easy. Yeah, so you make them counter their parents and with any teenager, it's... you become illiberal when you're younger and then you go more conservative. So now they have to get those kids on ramp as early as possible and that's why I think you're seeing this CRT or whatever you want to call it being pushed on these groups at a very early age. What would you want to call it? The stuff that we're seeing.

1:58:52 Well, I would call it what it is, it's mind control. It's mind control and manipulation. Let me just be clear where I'm at with this whole thing. I'm past the point of history being taught in schools. Now I know that might be a hot take, but what I'm saying is the whole point of history is you're not going to make everybody happy with history. So what I would rather see taught is law. Kids know their rights kids know what voting means civics how the political system works Yeah, that way they can actually you know It's not a bunch of narrative because whoever has the political reins will define the narrative right? Yeah, you'll go from

1:59:37 But this is why these textbooks change every four years, like who's in power? Let's go super, you know, well, slavery wasn't that bad. We're going to write it off as kind of a form of just indentured servitude, which that's not true. And then on the other hand, you know, we're just as bad off as you heard her saying, like now we're in a similar case that we were 400 years ago. It's like, no, that's not it either. So my, just my personal opinion, I think history should be learned at your churches, your synagogues, your community centers, family history. That way you get the proper perspective, but if you want to help kids

2:00:18 actually be good citizens and productive citizens, teach them law. Teach them why and then you can get history in there. So if you teach them, for a case in point, you can teach them law. Law is almost by definition history. It's all case law. So you're always going back in history to see how things were done in the past with law. Correctness that's what I was gonna make with the like the Brown versus Board of Education. Okay, you got these rights How'd you get them in saying then you go through the case and then kids understand like oh, okay That's how the judicial system works. Well, but the problem here is Is much deeper it's not about what parents want their kids to be taught It's impossible in this in this situation. You have to blow up the whole system you've got

2:01:03 I mean every day I'm receiving at least one email from parents who are homeschooling or have looked towards you know alternative solutions that they're... For disclosure I'm homeschooling now. Right on. And in case in point we have a family law book so I'm not just something I'm like just speaking Oh, can I be a guest lecturer at the MoFax school? Howdy kids! It's your Uncle Adam from Texas! It's a podcast elective. I'll go teach him a little bit of Linux or something. You know, give him a little, give him a little some extra in life. I'll teach him how to code. And this is how we're gonna have to do it, is community schooling. And that's the way to go. I think that's, I completely think that's the way to get the federal government out of everyone's school.

2:01:55 Well, they'll never let that happen en masse because that's their control mechanism, of course. Well, that's their base, their funding. The teachers, like you always speak about, the teacher lobby, well, I didn't say lobby, but that's an appropriate slip, but the teacher lobby union is one of the most powerful unions that it is. It's got a lot of juice. So you're not just gonna let kids, just getting the kids to be able to homeschool, you had to prove your education level. It's like, hold on, what? But this goes back to your kids aren't yours. And we need to really understand this. Yeah, that's a scary one. That's a scary one. Because what they're trying to play into is what we're talking about. Sure.

2:02:41 You're homeschooling, your community is important to their education as well. The community around them, but you know the way they make it sounds like, oh, we really got to take care of this for you, which is taking it just a step too far. Yeah, and we have to understand that our kids aren't ours. I mean, I don't want to go into that, but when you sign that birth certificate, you sign a lot of power over it. It's like, okay, they're our kids, but you have custody of them. That's a scary, I mean, like, that's a real, I mean, it didn't really, I mean, of course I already knew this, but it really just was really redawned on me, if that's a word. What, with the birth certificate? Expand.

2:01:55 Well, they'll never let that happen en masse because that's their control mechanism, of course. Well, that's their base, their funding. The teachers, like you always speak about, the teacher lobby, well, I didn't say lobby, but that's an appropriate slip, but the teacher lobby union is one of the most powerful unions that it is. It's got a lot of juice. So you're not just gonna let kids, just getting the kids to be able to homeschool, you had to prove your education level. It's like, hold on, what? But this goes back to your kids aren't yours. And we need to really understand this. Yeah, that's a scary one. That's a scary one. Because what they're trying to play into is what we're talking about. Sure.

2:02:41 You're homeschooling, your community is important to their education as well. The community around them, but you know the way they make it sounds like, oh, we really got to take care of this for you, which is taking it just a step too far. Yeah, and we have to understand that our kids aren't ours. I mean, I don't want to go into that, but when you sign that birth certificate, you sign a lot of power over it. It's like, okay, they're our kids, but you have custody of them. That's a scary, I mean, like, that's a real, I mean, it didn't really, I mean, of course I already knew this, but it really just was really redawned on me, if that's a word. What, with the birth certificate? Expand.

2:03:28 No, when you sign your right, when you sign that birth certificate, basically your children are a ward to the state. They give you custody of them. And not everyone knows this. So that's why they can come and take custody at any time. Truancy officers, social services, all of these things. And like I said, these are things that we could really address if these lawyers want to address race and issues. I mean, there's issues that you can address, but Even I mean I was getting called for sure officers because they were slow to update the system. Oh, okay So when you're gonna bring your kids to school, we hate to have somebody come out there. It's like what? So you can't even not see your kids at school Wow, yeah, we got a really like I said, we this is the point I'm saying about learning your rights and learning

2:04:19 what you sign away when you sign certain documents. We all have to have a birth certificate. I mean, I'm not one of those people where, you know, the sovereign people kind of thing because to operate in this system you had to have a social security number, you had to have a birth certificate. I mean, like, to even get jobs, right? You had to prove that you were... For our citizens, you had to prove that you were born here. So, yeah, it's wild like how little rights we do have or how close we are to them actually owning our kids. There's a huge theory about the law of the sea and the corporate law, maritime law yes, and the corporate law

2:05:07 And now whenever I bring this up on NOAA Gen, the Dvorak scoffs at me. And it even goes as deep as, well, when everything is in all uppercase, then that's the legal, like the ownership, that's where they own you. Are you a Moor, Adam? No, because that's something that the Moors, not the Moors, but one of these, the sovereign rights people of the Moors. Well, you're talking basically Wesley Snipes, you know, the same thing. He's like, oh, sovereign citizen. You know, I don't, taxation is theft.

2:05:46 Yeah, try. He learned the hard way on that one. That didn't work out very well. Like I said, in theory, and this is where theory meets reality, in theory, yeah, all that sounds good, but I'm not trying to figure it out from the inside of a jail cell. You see what I'm saying? I'm not trying to argue my case, so... You gotta be pragmatic. Yeah, you gotta be pragmatic when you're homeschooling four kids. I mean, you can't be sitting in jail. It's just not gonna work. It kinda makes it hard to homeschool them. Jail doesn't have good Wi-Fi. So, let's get to number two. And that's why, mystery solved, a lot of places with high levels of recent immigrants tend to be far more liberal than those immigrants themselves. It's interesting and that's definitely true in Loudoun County, Virginia. Take a look at the schools if you don't believe it. Loudoun County used to have famously good schools. People wanted to send their kids to those schools. Now those schools are run by lunatics who hate the country. It happened fast, it always does.

2:06:41 Here's video from a county school board meeting just two days ago. The first person you're going to see in this video is a middle school teacher called Andrea Weisskopf. Now as you watch this, keep in mind that Andrea Weisskopf is actually a middle school teacher. She's not a paid actor. We didn't make her up to prove a point. She is entirely real, down to the ostentatiously displayed pronouns in her Twitter bio. Here's Miss Weisskopf explaining how the book To Kill a Mockingbird, a book the rest of us assumed was all about why racism is bad, is in fact itself racist because it causes something called racial trauma due to the fact there are white people in it. It's funny how they are so afraid of their children seeing another view.

2:07:27 of sexuality, gender, or religion. If you want to talk about books that are assigned, let's read To Kill a Mockingbird together. If you aren't willing to consider the racial trauma this assigned book causes black children with its white saviorism, then you have no business discussing any books. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, I have a unique opportunity. I happen to know a black child. He's a little older now. Um, Moe, have you ever read To Kill a Mockingbird? Yes, I did. I read it in, I think it was eighth or ninth grade, I believe. Good, because as a white person, I have no idea about the trauma that must have caused you.

2:08:16 I thought it was uh, I could say I just it didn't sit with me one way or the other I mean the black guy kind of got railroaded in it, but the point is is that white saviorism? That's the that's the that's the key. I know I know I was waiting for you to say that as a child you were traumatized by the white savior trying to come into the story what Well, ain't it amazing that's traumatic, but all the stuff they show on Netflix and Amazon Prime. That's trauma. Yeah, that's trauma. Queen and Slim and all these, Central Park 5, all this trauma-based entertainment. Although, that's not trauma. Yeah. But if I read a book with, you know what I'm saying, it is based in, I think like, it was like 30s, I believe, I want to say 40s, if I'm not mistaken. Yes.

2:09:07 that you know just told what happened in a legal case where I did do dig at railroad but it's the fact that the white guy cut this the whole point is the white saviorism that's what they're trying to rebrand because but it was a lot of ship is being mocked I just want like we got to go one step further just want to make sure that I I get it and that's maybe it's not a fair question because it was so long ago But you said, I said, well what did you, I asked you in a stupid way, but so what did you think of To Kill a Mockingbird? Were you impressed? You said, well I was neither here nor there. You said the black guy got railroaded. So I mean that was your takeaway? Yeah, I mean. No, that's important because for white people this is a very important book because there is some, I do understand where the white saviorism comes from, but that's not what it is. But I think that

2:10:04 As a white man, of course I read this book, but not in school because I came through the Dutch school system so that was not on the curriculum so I read it later in life. And the feeling I got is, oh see, good, you know, it can work. It wasn't like really saviorism, I didn't feel any of that, but quite honestly, I had the same, it's like, why is this, it doesn't seem like there would have to be a big, a little indifferent actually. Yeah, and I will say this on the other side of you do get these racially charged books you get sounder you get where No those kind of books is but like I said, it's

2:10:49 The adults are putting way more energy in it than the kids, to be honest with you. And it's just like it's another book you have to read. And like I said, it's a fictitious book, so why are we getting so bent out of shape over it? It's not like a reality story. Right. I mean, it's other things that we could be reading, you know, or not reading. But the problem is You talk about race and the white saviorism, but her sentence starts off with sexuality and she didn't even yeah didn't even mention race at that point. No, that's the point. It's like you don't really care. You're just saying you just want that door to help you just want us to hold the door so you can bring so much other stuff in and it's like you think I'm that dumb?

2:11:32 Or black parents are that dumb? Or even, you're saying, dark parents? I don't know what the, I mean, because like you said, you can't say black and brown. You can't say people of color. I'm gonna say dark. No, no, I'm keeping it dark from now on. I'm just gonna keep using it, see how that works out for me. You let me know, okay? I don't know what, what's the argument? I get what the argument's about, but I don't understand from one side of it how naive they think the people they're trying to help are. Well, let's go back to our mass formation. These people are under spell. So they are probably at this point in this state not capable of thinking

2:12:26 that you're smart dumb or one way or the other they're just they're just doing what they're but they've been programmed to do so do I have natural immunity You have natural immunity from a lot of things. No, I'm saying not me personally, but what I'm saying, but of like the people they're trying, the target audience is black people, right? They want to get us riled up. So we make a big push for it and then hold the door open and they flood all these other propagandistic, you know what I'm saying, information in. That's the goal. Right, but that's interesting because this is targeted at dark people.

2:13:06 But it's the white people that get riled up over it. But they need us to buy into it. It's the same thing with the vaccine. The fact that we won't buy into it is a real problem for the people that's pushing it. Because if we, and I say this very loosely as a group, but if en masse black people are like, we want the vaccine, we want the vaccine. It will be Snowden saying it will be like, you would just, ran up bulldozed by what would be allowed. We will all be mandated by now. But the fact that we're reluctant because we have the prior knowledge and what I call the natural immunity to race. It's like, no, I see where you're going with this. You realize that, right? I know your information, but my natural immunity protects me from the BS. And it's like, no, I'm not willing to go that route.

2:14:03 I think that's why they can't understand it. Like why the calculations are there. Like we're saying all the magic words. We're saying rates. Why is it not working? Right. And props, mad props to Kyrie. Yeah. Good on him, man. And they sent, since you brought it up, I mean, cause a reason why I got to go here because if it reached your radar, which you're not, you're a non-sports fan. It's working. The lady that they ousted Rachel Nichols for, Kayla... Oh, the ESPN reporter who also got sidelined. Yes. No, no, no, not Sage Steel. Oh, okay. The one they replaced Rachel Nichols with

2:14:56 She is um, yes, she came out she came she came no she came out after Kyrie. You know saying like it's like they couldn't I think Malika Andrews. That's it Malika. Yes. She's the one replaced Rachel Nichols. And now she's earning her keep By going at the Kyrie and in a way kind of going at the right on and say steel which is once the ESPN was making them mandating them. So what I'm saying is you're seeing when you get that spot, it comes with a price. Yeah. And she's having to pay up. She's holding strong. I got to give him his props. He's holding strong. She's a one dropper. Yeah.

2:15:42 She's very light skinned. She's half Jewish, and she's half black. She's the Drake of ESPN. Got it. But they used a real black woman, and now I say real, what I mean a full black woman. No, because when I say that, I mean biracial is its own thing. I know what you mean. Because I want to say this, biracial is its own thing, which that's not good nor bad. I mean, just embrace it. But for us, optics. They had to use a quote unquote, let me say it properly, quote unquote, a real black woman as the victim of Rachel Nichols. They couldn't use her. They had to use another lady.

2:16:22 that said she was a basically a token hire. You know, it's so disgusting how they do this. Again, back to Sharon Osbourne, you know, so that whole thing came down, then she goes on Entertainment Tonight and it's a race story. Who interviews her? The black guy, of course. It's so obvious, you know, and it's by itself that I don't know what the guy's name is. He should be thinking, That sucks. Don't make me do this story all the time. It's rude. That's why, because if Rachel Nichols was in the same spot as Malika Andrews was, and her criticizing Kyrie would be the wrong optics.

2:17:09 So these things are got it. Yeah, they're pre-planned. It's like, okay, we got the NBA season coming up We might have some rebel rousers soon saying some people that we don't want to go along with the program and the NFL mean NBA being 85% black or more it's likely it's gonna be a black person So we need somebody it's black day or appears black to criticize these black players. So lo and behold here you are And I know that sounds far-fetched, but it's pretty much how the calculation goes. No, not at all. I come from that world, Moe. I come from media. That's exactly how they think. You're spot on. Spot on. But we know, it's like I said, when we see the, it's the natural, they say the natural immunity to the bullshit because when you see the black reporter sitting down with the, like the case, the one we talked about last time with Officer Bird from the Capitol, they had to sit black reporters down with him. Of course. It's like, okay, oh now we see what this is. Do you know what, but I'll go back to my,

2:18:11 my standard what I think is happening. They are still the bullae, the intellectual elite, the liberal intellectual elite, Democrats, all politicians, they still are using the old-fashioned messaging system and they haven't really caught up or figured out how to reach People with with their message. They still are doing it in the old-fashioned way You know do 60 minutes interview with the New York Times You know maybe do an extra hit with Anderson Cooper just for the looks because the ratings aren't there And it's not working. It's fundamentally not working Hollywood can't influence anyone anymore. No one cares. They're tuning out. They're sick of commercials and

2:19:01 So people aren't getting the messages the way they used to. The only way, ironically, is clips being played on podcasts, or mainly I would say, you know, YouTube. Clips on YouTube, clips on Twitter, clips on Insta, and I said Insta. That's how it's still being propagated very inefficient Very inefficient and they're still pushing it this way and they they're gonna come to the real is it's going to stop working It will eventually I think it already is. It's just going to break. Look at it. It's not it's not working on you. It's not working on on Black Americans with mandates. It's not working. It's something that you pointed out that just dawned on me, but you're saying it's not working, but I think it is because what they're doing now is they're following the non-traditional media format of reaction to reaction.

2:19:58 This is how it goes on the YouTube side and these kind of things I react to a video and then somebody reacts to my video and then somebody reacts to that video and then I get back to me and then I react to that video. That's what they're doing. They're doing nothing but the reaction video model. It's like... Good point. Good point. Yeah, so this is them trying to mimic... Answer songs. Right, so when you see Tucker Carlson say something, then Joy Reid's gonna play that. Joy Reid gets told, she reacts to that and then, oh, gives more Tucker Carlson, more content to react to her reaction. And then hopefully somebody from the outside of the sphere will react to it. Right, so what that does, from your own YouTube experience, it hypes up the people watching your stuff and they'll be into it.

2:20:51 And then you know the in the same for everyone else who's answering your video, but I think it still remains very limited it's not a mass-scale operation because It's only going to be people who are really Maybe that's not true You nailed it They'll never get it right. They have no joy read indeed. It has no talent and I mean, she might get one line off like calling Tucker Carlson tuckums like that's funny You were saying but it's like the other things is it's not they're not talented this I mean this this is why 45 Savage beat him and like they stole something because he's a natural

2:21:36 talented jokester. You know what I mean? Like when it comes to like cracking or snapping or whatever you want to call it. He's got game. He's got shtick. Right. That's why he was so successful at it. But then the other side tried to do it. It's like, yeah, like and it sounds lame. So if you don't have talent, you just don't have talent. And that's what's really being exposed. And they don't have very many talented people in the on the on the mainstream. They do not. Because when you look at Don Lemon, he's like, oh, he'll say something. It's like, man, that was lame, bro. Come on. But he's entertaining to watch. In a lame kind of way, in a cringe kind of way, which you can react to. Yes. It's beautiful because we've won. We broke them to our model. Oh, certainly. But they still had to do it around commercials, which is the problem. Yeah, true. True.

2:22:31 All right, so now we have Tariq Carlson saying clip. He had a teacher speaking. Now he's gonna have parents speaking out against, racking basically to the teachers. So if you don't consider it to kill a mockingbird racist says Andrea Weisskopf then quote, you have no business discussing any books. Can you even imagine what this lady's personal life must be like? Miserable does not even begin to describe it. Desperate. Hellish. But if she somehow looks familiar, there's a reason for that. You've heard a lot of lectures like this recently from people like Andrea Weisskopf. Stupid people telling you what you're allowed to say and read. That's essentially 2021 summed up in a single sentence. The scariest part is they're telling your kids the exact same thing all day, every day in school.

2:23:24 So what effect is that having on your kids, on all of our kids, on the country itself? Well over time the effect is unimaginable. For the last year most parents have put up with this. Either they didn't know it was happening or they felt powerless to stop it from happening. They were afraid to object, to speak up, as lunatics like Andrea Weisskopf hurt their children. But that's changing, finally. Some parents have had enough of this. Watch this mother at this week's Loudoun County School Board meeting. CRT is not an honest dialogue. It is a tactic that was used by Hitler and the Ku Klux Klan on slavery very many years ago to dumb down my ancestors so we could not think for ourselves. CRT is racist. It is abusive. It discriminates against one's color. Let me educate you. An honest dialogue does not impress, oppress. An honest dialogue does not implement hatred or injustice. It's to communicate with deceiving without

2:24:17 And as you can hear, maybe, uh... infer from what she said, our ancestors, this is a black lady. This is something that they couldn't... It makes them crazy. The brain freezes. It's like, what do we do with this? Because if you go against her, then it kind of just ruins your whole narrative. But they don't understand that nobody wants to be a victim anymore. Like that's so... That's so pre-Rona.

2:25:05 Well, even before then, I mean that's the whole thing is just that what the problem is with social media people finally have a voice to say no if you before you I mean only what if you want to only hear what MSNBC has to say and you will like well is that what black people are saying well I guess so that's what the black anchors are saying or that's what the black lady from Harvard is saying you know that kind of thing so you have people like this woman here coming forward and saying, no, we don't want to be victims. And we realize that this is the same thing that went on throughout history. Like I said, it's just, we live in the information age and you can draw the parallels very easily to things that happened in the past. Once you have, yes, certainly when it comes to communication, absolutely.

2:26:02 Well, so I see you're one black lady at a PTA meeting. I'll raise you a survivor of Miles China. Who? I've been very alarmed about what's going on in our school. You are now teaching, training our children to be social justice warriors and to lose our country and our history. Growing up in Mao's China, all this seemed very familiar. The communist regime used the same critical theory to divide people. The only difference is they used class instead of race. During the Cultural Revolution, I witnessed students and teachers turn against each other. We changed school names to be politically correct. We were taught to denounce our heritage. The Red Guards destroyed anything that is not communist, old statues, books, and anything else.

2:26:49 We are also encouraged to report on each other, just like the student equity ambassador program and the bias reporting system. This is indeed the American version of the Chinese Communist, the Chinese Cultural Revolution. The critical race theory has its roots in cultural Marxism. It should have no place in our schools. How old was she? She must have been up there. Yeah, she's like in her maybe 60 or 70s. I don't want to age her, you know what I'm saying? But she's definitely, I mean, she's a survivor of Miles. She has to, you know, be of the, you know, of that age. So you see the statues being pulled and books being taken out of school like you heard in the previous clips. It gives the imagery of Miles' China.

2:27:41 And then you have a woman coming forward that survived and said, yeah, this seems pretty similar. I remember this. It doesn't help your case, but... Where'd you get that from? I hadn't heard this woman. I got it off of, what is it, DC Shorts on YouTube. Yeah, good one. I had not heard. But it was several women from China that say, now in good faith, I have to say, some of these people are just seeking attention. Like a lot of these parents go up there and somebody will go viral and it's like, oh, I can top that. And then they just start yelling and cussing and that kind of thing. It's not all good faith actors on both sides.

2:28:23 So I just want to point that out as well. I saw some clips and it's like little kids like, yeah, I go race do we be scary? It's like bro, like why are you traumatizing your kids like that just for some airtime like not like It's just because they don't the kids that the adults don't even know what critical race theory is So how can the kids and it's like how do you how do they know it's scary? So that's me just being unbiased on both sides of it I don't like to see children using that as political props. That's something that's very awesome to me. Well, unfortunately that happens and Sometimes yep, you know, yes. Yeah. Yeah, somebody saying that

2:29:09 It's gone too far is what you're saying. No, I don't like it because one, it's not effective first of all and two, It's destructive. It's damaging. It's destructive to the kids. I mean, I thought that my point is for the kids. Yeah, it's damaging. No, I understand. Yeah. Mole of the kids. So it's like, why are you bringing the children into this? But you could say the same thing. Well, they bringing the kids into it because they're trying to teach them. So I get it from both sides, but we need to realize if we don't put on the brakes sometime soon, we could actually end up in Mao's China. And I have some clips

2:29:49 Speaking on the cultural revolution and why it was so violent. Yes, and listen for the parallels. May 2016 marks 50 years since the start of China's cultural revolution. The decade-long shift resulted in an estimated 2 million deaths alongside widespread abuse, displacement, public humiliation, and torture. At the time, little was understood about the causes and devastating outcomes of the revolution. However, newly released archives have shed light on this dark period of China's modern history. So now, half a century later, what do we know about China's cultural revolution? Well, the revolution was predominantly Chairman Mao Zedong's attempt to establish himself as the leader of the communist world by ridding the

2:30:34 country of capitalism and its long-standing traditions. After Mao's Communist Party took power in 1949, the Soviet Union's new leader, Nikita Khrushchev, denounced his predecessor, Joseph Stalin, and began to de-Stalinize the USSR. Seeing similarities between himself and Stalin, Mao began to fear a similar fate for himself. So in 1958, Mao launched a national campaign to boost China's economy called the Great Leap Forward, which radically redistributed land among China's rural population and organized workers into communes. The Great Leap Forward failed miserably, decimating the economy and diminishing Mao's role within the ruling party. To regain control, Mao united with like-minded radicals, including his wife and defense minister Lin Biao, to launch the Cultural Revolution.

2:31:25 Yeah, so it was done to retain power at the end of the day. That's what it was all about retaining power but you heard like parents kids turning on parents and Turning them in even turning a minute like like we're seeing now with climate change and mask and we saw with the Rona, right? If you see somebody outside, call. Yeah, but I mean kids calling on their parents, you know, that's harsh. Well, that's why we've been through this before because I was in school at this time. Is your parents abusive?

2:32:05 This is one of the cult big culture changes that I went through as a child was can you spank your kids or not? Oh, yeah, right. That was the big argument. Can you spank your kids not and it was like a few if your parents do anything here's a number and You can call them, you know on your parents And that really shifted the power structure between the child and the parent. Of course, my mom, mama fact, she said, if you call them, you better hope they get here by the time I kill you. You know what I'm saying? My mom had the hairbrush and her threat was Adam Curry. Oh no, she would do Adam Clark Curry. It's going to be bristle side down.

2:32:52 Mm-hmm was one of those really stiff brushes, you know, like mmm With the metal prongs, but that was the threat. Like I said, we've been here before. Oh, yeah kids calling calling the Authorities on their parents. So this is just another iteration of that But now it's often not actions but thoughts and now the kids actually have a cell phone. Yeah, and it's a speed dial. Oh Right, it's always like, oh, but it's, I just find it like it's scary in one sense because I know how fragile these things are and how fast they can spin out of control. And I don't think the people in play don't take that very seriously or serious enough what they're playing with.

2:33:41 So, I guess we can get to the second clip of the Cultural Revolution. and mobilized students into paramilitary units called Red Guards. The groups attacked and killed teachers, intellectuals, and eventually ordinary people they suspected of undermining the communist system. The movement infiltrated the military, workers, and even the ruling party itself. By the late 1960s, tens of thousands had been forced out of cities in an effort to purify urban areas. And millions had suffered rape, abuse, arbitrary imprisonment, or torture.

2:34:29 Some of the most horrific violence occurred in rural villages in southern China where revolutionaries were known to practice ritualistic cannibalism in the name of revolution. Wow, that's harsh. So this happened, I think people don't really appreciate how fragile civility is and I always talk about that proverbial glass and all we prepared was on the other side of that glass breaking, you know of that metaphorical glass breaking because these families kill each other. It's very alarming and that's why I've tried to push the empathetic listening and understanding because

2:35:17 You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube on these kind of things. The thing that's probably closest right now to what was happening then is the Sunrise Movement. If you followed them, so it's predominantly young people, young children, not children, but young. And they're very radical when it comes to climate change and they're just kids in my mind, but they're the leadership of Sunrise. Very, very radical. Again, it's the people from the 60s with true Marxist training from back in the day and they're leading them. So it definitely needs to be scrutinized carefully what's taking place.

2:36:04 We have to because as we hear with the military, they're being pushed with the critical race theory. People on their jobs are being pushed with it. It's this constant unsettling, as the guy said before, object of anxiety. It's a constant pushing of the object of anxiety. And then you have that and then you have the DOJ directing the FBI to crack down. Every day in this country, the government under Joe Biden or whoever is running the joint infringes more and more upon our freedoms, pushing Americans closer and closer to the edge. The latest.

2:36:47 the Attorney General of the United States instructing the Department of Justice and the FBI to address threats against school boards and teachers over COVID-19 restrictions, masks, and critical race theory, saying those threats should be discouraged and prosecuted. The memo reads that, quote, constitutional protections don't extend to efforts to intimidate individuals based on their views. Wait, what? A primer. The Constitution protects actions and speech where individuals seek a redress of their grievances. Now, however, the AG seeks to remove that constitutional right. If you're a parent concerned about how your children are being taught, the DOJ actually threatening parents concerned about their children?

2:37:36 But it's okay to follow a U.S. Senator into a bathroom and threaten to take her out of office. It's okay for Black Lives Matter rioters to intimidate and literally burn down our neighborhoods and businesses. But, Mama, don't even think about objecting to the ideological racial hatred being hoisted upon your own children. This is viewpoint discrimination, which is particularly disfavored by the courts because it restricts speech on a given subject matter. Yeah, it's so... You know, this whole DOJ going after the parents, I think that was more posturing than anything. I'm not so sure how serious it is. It's, you know, as when they put stuff on the books.

2:38:32 Just like when you had the thing say, oh, we're any terrorists anywhere We can go after him. It's true. It's on the books on the boat and all the reason why they didn't They couldn't call people domestic terrorists up until this point because you had to have some official tied to a foreign terrorist group That's the only reason they can't hit you with like the domestic terrorism charges now. I did that, I found that out in my studies and wormhole on the January 16th. That's the only thing that they do. That's where it started. That's where they started calling them DVEs, domestic violent extremists. Right. Which is not the same as a terrorist.

2:39:19 Of course not, because a terrorist has to have ties to a foreign terrorist operation. Typically, yes. I mean, no, what I'm saying is by law, by law, if you're going to get charged, you had to have ties to a foreign... Well, remember during Obama there was some change and it became enemy combatant and there are some... there's like some wishy-washy stuff they can just basically, they can just pick you up and black bag you and throw you in Gitmo any time they want. Yeah, of course they have that. That's pretty much it. But that's my point. It's on the books now that if you go to the wrong PTA meeting and say the wrong thing, we heard the story last time of the guy that went to the Capitol, didn't go in, and that guy overheard him talk, his neighbor overheard him talking about it and called the Fed's on him.

2:40:10 So I mean, let's not think this is far-fetched and this is where my problem comes in at is because now no one can be critical of the education their kids are getting which infringes upon my rights because if I want to go and say my piece at a PTA meeting or a school board meeting, I should have that right. I'm not should have that. I have that right, not should. I have that right and it shouldn't afford it to me by the First Amendment and it shouldn't be a fringe no. So this is where the rubber meets the road for people like me is that y'all can do whatever y'all want to do but when you start

2:40:50 saying I can't voice my opinion on an entity that controls like one third of my kids day, then I have a problem with that. I have no problem with that. Have you been to a school meeting? School board meeting? I have not. I live in a county that the school superintendent is I want to say not say anti, but he's not in favor of mask. If you want your kids not to wear a mask as possible. They were one of the earlier schools that went back. So it's really like a. It's kind of like a red stronghold in Northern Virginia. I mean, you see the demographics kind of changing, but I'm ground zero here in Northern Virginia. The county I live in, it leans more red. And the school superintendent, he's not anti-mask, but you can get waivers so your kid doesn't have to wear masks to school.

2:41:51 You know, I was one of the first early schools in this area to go back to full day last year. So, um, it's just weird. And I was going to go to the school board meetings and make a fuss. But then I was like, you know what? Just severed ties with the entity. And then do it and do kind of sad to say, because my dad's going to say, and then just do an episode of Mo Facts. I could or I could definitely do that. Um, it's Sad because my dad he's always been educator, but professionally he was an educator and I never thought it would get like this, but I saw the kind of handwriting on the wall when Towards the end of his career as a teacher It was just changing so fast So it's kind of sad. I mean

2:42:47 Well, it's sad but it's also an opportunity, Mo. I think it's an opportunity for the people and the communities themselves to retool, recreate their new schooling system. I will say this, I mean, I do, I am a owner of certain privileges that I've worked from home. You know, so that does help. All parents don't have that option. So that's one of the difficult things. I think school could be reimagined. I think that it could

2:43:26 Definitely be changes to be made where you don't have to I mean it doesn't have to be binary like no public schools anymore No, but I think I think it has to be reimagined Moe it has to be it has no I totally agree with you on that it has to be reimagined But you can't fix this what's happened here is is no longer fixable. It just has to be redone I really believe that. I really think that you there's so much middle management administration and it's poison. It's just poison. I don't think you can cut the poison out. It's the unions. I mean, let's just keep it. I mean, right where the problem is at, it's the unions. And I know we have teachers out there, but the unions even get in the teachers way. This is, like I said, it's

2:44:15 One of the problems is the teachers are underpaid, the quality of teachers, lateral entry. I mean, there's a whole bunch of problems. I know a lot of teachers and yes, there are technology issues. The whole lockdown was a mess. It was a mess. But why did it have to be? That's what I don't understand of Zoom. Why is it so hard to teach? We have Khan Academy. We have all these things, why is it that it's so hard to get students in front of teachers? I don't understand what the problem... I know what the problem is because they have these contract deals with these providers and these people that create these systems that... That's part of it. That's part of the problem. It's not that easy to teach via Zoom, certainly if you've never been doing it.

2:45:14 And I have an example of this where several years ago I did a speech at a college in New Jersey in a media class and I was invited back to do that again during the RONA. So the first time I was at the school and all the students were in the auditorium, the second time I was on Zoom and I had 26 windows. And it sucked balls. You cannot make contact, you cannot get a... and some of them were actually interested. So it's not just a bunch of kids who are forced to sit there. You cannot get the human contact that is critical for communicating ideas. It's not there and I'm sure that

2:46:02 You know, distance learning and of course lots of people do colleges etc. But for young students I think it's almost impossible for teachers to convey anything. But certainly if you're talking classrooms of 20, 30 strong. I'll push back against that. Because the kids have no problem connecting when they're gaming. Oh, but listen to what I'm saying. The teachers don't know how to do it. The teachers don't know how. The kids understand. The teachers do not know how to teach in this manner. No, I agree. That's what I'm saying is that

2:46:39 But why are we not trying to fix the problem? It's because the teachers don't want to be phased out or this I mean, it's the same conversation We're having it with the media, right? The current media doesn't fit the system. Good point. It's the same thing. So is do we Restrict the kids because the kids have no problem with connecting. Well, I actually like your idea there I mean, I like the gaming idea I think if kids could go in and could do like a grand theft auto except you know, it's their teacher. They're shooting and That would engage, that would be very engaging. I was thinking more like Roblox. I mean, because these kids, like you have a little, you know what I'm saying, like, and what I'm just saying is I don't accept that it can't be done because that's not how we think, right? I mean, you're really- Oh no, no, I mean, podcasting. So, I mean, obviously- No, it can be done. I'm just saying, I don't know if it makes sense to try and fix these people.

2:47:37 First of all, the quality is the quality of teachers. I mean, let's just keep it 1000. You can walk in with a four year degree and lateral entry and walk into a classroom in a very short period of time. Of course, I don't want to generalize because it's different from state to state. But with lateral entry, you don't have to have the four-year teaching degree with the, you know what I'm saying, with the... That's kind of like with being a nurse. It's like they're saying, okay, you have a four-year degree, you can come be a nurse. And then you will teach how to be a nurse on the fly. Right. What? Huh? Really? That's what we're doing with our most prized possession, our children. Unfortunately, yes.

2:48:20 So that's where it's broken at. But you want to keep the wages down because the unions need to make their cut. So they can build airports. As I said, I think homeschooling is the way to go. I think you're doing a good thing there. I think hybrid is the way to go. I'll just say that. There's some kind of win-win there. But with that said, Uh, we gotta go thank some more people that allow us to do what we do. I like brand new money. I just, I don't want any money around me is not, I'd almost rather have a new one than a brand than an old 20. That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that excites you. You like a hundred dollar bills? Oh yeah. I like the money too. Oh, most beautiful thing on earth is a hundred dollar bill. I hadn't seen a woman as good looking as a hundred dollar bill. There's something that a hundred dollar bill that excites you.

2:56:31 of the healing vaccine or whatever you want to call it. Race. Yes. So I thought maybe we should call it the COVID-19 vaccine from Mr. Stephen Covey of 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. This is something I want to start doing because it was so well received the empathetic listening. I think we can make this not every show but just make sure we give people a booster every now and again on their COVID-19 vaccine. So this one is synergy. It should help. Habit six synergize in a sense is the fruit of

2:57:18 of the spirit of win-win, habit four. The spirit of seeking first to understand, then to be understood, habit five. Then what happens is a very powerful thing. When people begin to interact together genuinely and they're open to each other's influence, they begin to get new insight. Something happens to them both. It creates the possibility of third alternatives. Not the either-or approach. Not win-lose, lose-win. Not compromise. Compromise is one plus one equals one and a half. Positive synergy is one plus one equals three.

2:58:07 Negative synergy, one plus one equals one half. In other words, so much of the effort and energy is spent in the adversarialism. It's been a while since I've heard him. There's your booster. That's your third booster shot, folks. That should do it. You're good to go now. You're immunized. Yeah, but in all seriousness, that's how you beat this thing is is the empathetic listening, is the synergy, is the seek first to understand and then to be understood because we don't want to end up like Mao's China. And I know people are like, oh, they'll roll their eyes, but... Yeah, no, no, no. That's whoever thought we'd see vaccine mandates, whoever thought we'd lock down our whole country. Time for that is over.

2:58:57 That's why I'm so aggressive about pushing, you know, the information of just understanding because you even poo-poo the fact that well, it's just a DOJ and you know, they're just putting no just putting something on the books that kind of posturing thing but Dick Durbin is very serious and this was him at the Kristen Clark's confirmation hearings and I just, I found, I heard these two clips and I found them troubling. So if people don't know, just a little background, this is Senator Dick Durbin, a Democrat from Illinois. He's the one that gave us Obama basically back when Obama was running. And now he's back at it again, giving us Kristen Clark, who was then the nominee for the lead civil rights division

2:59:49 at the DOJ, she was confirmed, but here is him speaking on her confirmation. As he knelt on his neck, he stared into a camera with a look that haunts me to this day. Those nine minutes and 29 seconds took George Floyd's life and changed America's national conversation about law enforcement. Those nine minutes and 29 seconds sparked a global movement and compelled us to bear witness to the reality of racial injustice in our country. In this Senate, we are in a privileged position to face that reality and to continue America's long, sometimes bitter march toward equal justice under the law. That is why I rise today in support of Kristen Clark's nomination to be Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice. It's worth noting the history of this position.

3:00:57 The Civil Rights Division is one of the most important components of the Justice Department. The Attorney General's Office has existed since 1789. The Justice Department itself was not created until after our Civil War. During the days of Reconstruction after that war, our nation resolved to take new steps to make a more perfect union through the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery, the 14th Amendment's guarantee of due process and equal protection, and the 15th Amendment's protection of all citizens' fundamental right to vote.

3:01:36 Always nice to see a Jamaican coming in to To protect our our African Americans Yes, that's one thing and just for all clarity. She is married to a white man. Oh, no the horrors No, what I mean by that is that it's just amazing that these people they get to be so I Well, they're above it. They have special privileges and rights. You know, it's like they can do whatever they want. Which is, like I said, you can marry who you want, you can love who you want. My issue is that perspective...

3:02:20 If you dedicate your life to race and those kind of things, you would think one of those things is passing those genetics on to inside the culture. But it doesn't seem that way. And I think what my problem is this, when you look at Suzeanne Rice, when you look at Kamala Harris, when you look at this lady, It's a trend there. What is the trend? Yeah, of course I see the trend. The trend is non-African American, African Americans. Right. That's my point. How are you finding all these non-African American, African American, I can't even say it. Non-African American, African Americans. Right. Why are you finding all these... Well, it doesn't matter because they're dark.

3:03:08 That's my point. So it's my point is the perspective is lost because even if you married a black American man and a reason why I'm saying this is because this was so important to Barack Obama's career. Right. So why is it not in reverse the same thing? Why are we not, of course, if Obama was married to, and we're just gonna pull the rug back for a minute. If Obama was married to a white woman, he would lose all racial credibility. Let's just keep it 100%. But why is that not reciprocal? Well, because it's not fair.

3:03:51 I'm just saying, like, I mean... I mean, why? Yeah, obviously, because, uh, shut up. Just shut up. They'll do whatever they want. I mean, it's hypocritical. It's crazy. Right, and but if you point that out... Like I said, if Obama, and Obama was aware of this, he knew he had to marry a Michelle. It's not say Michelle itself, but he had to marry a Michelle. He knew how it would be perceived because they were like, well, you're not really one of us. But the fact that he was tethered and tied in. That gave him the cred. Exactly. So I'm just wondering why it's not, that's why I raised the issue of her race of her spouse, or her lineage, because it's just not, it's not fair. I think the lineage, I think that's, as a trend, I think that's an interesting observation.

3:04:45 It was the combination of both for me. Why is this? Why is this? And I'm asking this from the point of why is this the combination that the powers that be are pushing to the top? Because we all know in these positions, you're kind of handpicked. to be groomed for these positions. Oh, definitely. Early on in your career, so what is going on here? So with that said, let's get into the second clip from Durbin. The Department of Justice was created after the passage of those amendments and entrusted with the responsibility to defend the rights of Americans, particularly the newly emancipated, formerly enslaved Americans.

3:05:33 Given the department's immediate imperative to protect and preserve civil rights, President Ulysses S. Grant appointed Amos Ackerman to be the first Attorney General to lead this new department. Why? He had extensive experience in prosecuting voter intimidation as the U.S. Attorney in the state of Georgia. More than 150 years later, the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department now is entrusted with that constitutional responsibility. The division enforces federal statutes prohibiting discrimination based on race, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, religion, national origin and citizenship status. And just as President Grant appointed a legal expert with a breadth of experience to lead the newly formed Justice Department in 1870,

3:06:28 Today, President Joe Biden has chosen Kristen Clark to take up the mantle as the head of the Civil Rights Division. With her breadth of experience defending the civil rights of all Americans, Kristen Clark is singularly qualified to lead this division, particularly at this moment in history. And Madam President, Kristen Clark will be the first Senate-confirmed woman of color to do so, the first. And there it is. That's what counts. That's what is it. That's who really cares if she's any good. She'll be a woman. She's dark. Yes, but the reason why I'm sorry, did he actually say African American woman? I just want to know color woman of color. Okay, so he did that right. All right. Yes. The woman of color. Like I said, the reason why I bring this up is because Clarence Thomas

3:07:29 was railroaded and written down because of who he married. You see what I'm saying? Why is this different? It's not really, but I have to point this out. Now, I digress a bit, but I want to go back to another point, Amos Ackerman. Why did he invoke that name? Why that name specifically I'll explain to you why Amos Ackerman was famous for going after the KKK This was his claim to fame. Now we're going to go and get into Mr. Amos Ackerman and his past. But yes, this was, he went after the KKK. Now Kristen Clark is going to go after the KKK. The Ku Klux Karens. Yeah, which, yeah. You got the KKP. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's the whole point. This, the school board, this comes from her desk.

3:08:33 All of it, this is what this is about. It's going after, first of all, we have to label them as terrorists and then we have somebody that's gonna invoke the same spirit as Amos Ackerman. Are you ready to hear about Amos Ackerman? Yes, one moment I wanted to add. Yes. That I think Yes, our friend Crenshaw, Kimberly Crenshaw, just because you brought it up and my eye caught it earlier, I believe that she, here it is, she assisted legal team presenting Anita Hill at the US Senate confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Isn't that interesting?

3:09:20 I don't find it interesting, but not surprising. No, not at all. All right. Yes. Yes. I'm very keen to hear about Mr. Ackerman. All right. 36. Fuck the police products. Hold on. Stop. Stop. I do poor job. This is OK. Value for value. This is why value for value is so important. It was wasn't long enough to Cut into a separate clip. So they're going out of one segment on this podcast This is what was it behind the police? with Robert Evans, I don't know if you heard of him or not. I mean Rob Robert at the movie producer Robert Evans I don't know if that's the movie produced. I know he's a Popular podcaster in journal. Oh, no. No, no, there's something different. Okay, okay

3:10:08 and rapper, rap artist Propaganda, aka Jason Petty. So they're going out of one segment and then they have to go into ads. And then they come out of the ads into their talking. With F the police. Right, so I wanted, so no, they went into the ads of saying these are the F the police products. Oh, I gotcha. I'm wondering like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Do y'all not get flagged for that over there? I mean, no, I left that in there so you could play the first 10 seconds of the transition. Yeah, of course, of course. And we can let people know what they don't have to tolerate due to value for value. Fuck the police products. We're back. Oh my gosh. You know what I love is being back from ads because it means that we can talk more about the horrific history of racism in law enforcement. The terror and trauma that sits inside of my DNA and has passed on generationally. Woo!

3:11:11 Yes. Should have had an air horn there. So starting in 1870, President Grant began to lobby Congress to give him power to do something about the Klan. Because again, local law enforcement was actively aiding and abetting the KKK. In 1870 and 1871, Congress passed the Enforcement Acts. These protected the rights of black men to vote, hold office and serve on juries and generally enjoy equal protection under the law. The Ku Klux Klan acts as they came to be known, allowed President Grant to call up the army to or in order to arrest and break up the bands of disguised night marauders. And we're going to be like 99% critical of law enforcement on this podcast, but we got to be fair when it's important to be fair. And federal law enforcement did a pretty decent job on breaking up the Klan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3:11:59 This is where things get really complicated, Prop, because a lot of the credit for this goes to Amos Ackerman, the Attorney General of the United States. Ackerman joined the Republican Party after the Civil War and became one of the nation's most strenuous advocates for black suffrage. He was like, black people have the right to vote and hold office. And we will I will make sure we enforce this with fucking riflemen if we have to. OK. No, yeah, he's serious. He says hardcore word. So you heard what the we tried to deal with with ads. Oh, yeah. Hey, man, I couldn't believe that I was talking to Megyn Kelly. And then she had she took a break to sell Gen you sell which is some beauty product. It's sad.

3:12:48 It's just sad. You're having this heavy conversation, it's like, oh, we gotta do a break. Now we're back so we can talk more about this oppressive racism. And then the guy's like, yeah, it's deep in my genetics that I pass along. This podcast is so cringe. It's like everything we do, if you did it completely wrong. I'm sorry to say it, but... Yeah, but you heard him get strong with the, oh yeah, he wouldn't enforce it with effing rifles if he had to, right? Well, the Ackerman has a very interesting past before he started working for the DLJ. And here's where things get complicated, because before he was a Republican, before he was the Attorney General, Amos Ackerman volunteered and fought in the Confederate Army. Sheesh.

3:13:36 People have layers of complication. People are complicated. They in them contain many. Yeah, and this for Amos this seems to have been like he was it seems to have been more a matter of like you hear about these folks who are like really loyal to their state for reasons. Yeah. I have trouble understanding, like, he doesn't seem to have joined the Confederate Army specifically to fight for slavery, although he fought for slavery, because that's what the Confederate Army fought for, but in his mind, I think it was more like, I'm really loyal to Georgia. I don't know, I can't get in the head of that guy, but I guess if you can make that up, he tried to afterwards. Yeah. So. I want to give it to the possibility that people, probably hundreds of them at the time,

3:14:23 You know, like you said, just was like, look, we're down here. This is what we do. We're fighting for our way of life. I guess that's right. And in the middle of that, finally had this like, you know, this is bullshit. You know what I'm saying? And was like, but if you're the only person for miles talking like this, It's probably hard to find some good community and you're probably gonna fumble and then you become this guy to where you're like, hey, there's one thing I can do. I could probably dismantle this clan thing. That seems like a good thing to do. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, this is where you see how history is not being taught in school. Crap. My issue is, from the left, they're all, if you have anything to do with confederacy, we gotta tear down your facton. Right away, oh yeah, right away. Looking through the 2021 lens, you look like a real racist.

3:15:21 Right, but here it's like well, you know, he kind of did something that we liked for a little while So that kind of erases everything that he did for the Confederacy No, if you want to have it your way, then anything that Mr. Aikerman stands for, even when Dick Durbin brings him up, no, no, he has to be shouted down because he fought to protect slavery. As these gentlemen said, he fought for slavery by their calculations. But you see how it works? It's not about facts. No, no. It's never about facts. And that's why he set it up the way he did with the strong language in the first clip. Like he said with F and rifles, he was going to do it. He was like, yeah, we know it's another shooter drop. What is the point of this behind the police thing? Just to say how bad. No, no, I mean, what is the point? It's a podcast, right? Right. What is the point of the podcast?

3:16:21 You heard we said 99% critical. He made it quite clear what it was about. No, I'm just saying that's the point of it. And then he has Mr. Jason Petty with him. It's just like, no, if you fought for the Confederacy, there's no backsies on that. I mean, that's just, if you're about the work that they're about. Yeah, their work, yes. Yeah, it doesn't work. That's the goal to show you that they're all bullcrap. Yeah. It's all political. It's all about who we can get to manipulate people to go cast a vote at the end of the day. That's all it's about. Do you think they really know that? These people, these guys seem dumb. Well, they're doing a podcast on it. It should be their... What I'm saying is the emotional intelligence side of it.

3:17:14 You know, anytime you say anything Confederate on the left, you're done. It's a wrap. But it's like, well, let's sanitize this guy because we kind of got to need him for what we need him for. The same way Dick Durbin did. Why didn't Dick Durbin bring that up? That he was a former Confederate soldier. He just kind of like glossed over the whole thing. Well, you know. Well, we know why. Yeah. Right, so the headline is, DOJ confirmation receives praise for a federal confederate soldier. Right. I'm going to say it doesn't matter, none of this matters to these people. They just talk out the side of their neck. But it's like they have this, it's not logical, it's not based in any, okay, well,

3:18:06 Let's weigh out what what these people impact was no, it's just well they did something we like so it just raised everything We don't know anything about this guy. We didn't know what he did for his prior years, right? Well working for the deal for sure this podcast that these guys doing doing sucks. So They really suck because they're being disingenuous dishonest and Well, it continues on part three. Yeah, if there's a thing that can make up for volunteering to serve in the Confederate Army, I guess it's dismantling the KKK. I guess. Yeah, like that's a good, that's a good, it's good. Pause. So now I want you to pay attention. Sorry about that, but I want you to pay attention to their definition of dismantling. Now he's saying they dismantled the Klan right in Reconstruction. So that doesn't make any sense. But let's listen to their definition of dismantle.

3:18:58 Yeah, if there's a thing that can make up for volunteering to serve in the Confederate Army, I guess it's dismantling the KKK. I guess. Yeah. Like that's a good that's a good good try at least. Yeah. Yeah. So the worst Klan violence was in South Carolina and Grant declared martial law in that state citing a condition of lawlessness. He suspended habeas corpus. and numerous Klansmen were rounded up by federal authorities, including Sheriff Rice Rogers, who we have been talking about. A lot of sheriffs got pulled up in this. So the Senate held extensive hearings where hundreds of black victims of the Klan were allowed to tell their stories to the nation. Under Ackerman's direction, 600 Klansmen were convicted and 65 of them sent to a federal penitentiary. By 1872, the Klan was no longer a meaningful force in the United States.

3:19:46 Frederick Douglass himself said that without President Grant's actions, black Americans would have been trapped again in a condition almost identical to slavery. That is probably true, but it's also true that Grant kind of botched the landing on this one, firing Ackerman to appease his political rivals and commuting the sentences of some Klansmen in a bid for reconciliation. So again, Oh, so 600 arrested. 66 at the federal prison and then Grant goes and commutes some of those 66. That's right to get him right back out. Sounds like dismounting to me. Seriously? Well it was enough to compensate for his fighting with the Confederate Army.

3:20:27 So what, I mean 66 arrests? I mean, I could trip and fall on 66 Klansmen in Reconstruction. Back in those days, yeah for sure. And it seems like this dude was, he was, what we talked about in the last show, he was flipped. Right. He's like, hey you want your legacy? Hey, give us the Klan. Right. That's what it seems like to me and then he was just abruptly fired one year into doing the job and then Grant goes back and commutes their sentences. None of this makes sense and then they say, oh well, the Klan's dismantled. Us get back to business as usual. So putting ourselves back in those days, what was the point of this fake move? Well, 39. Grant's presumed motivations for suppressing the Ku Klux Klan are dubious.

3:21:26 Consider for example, consider the experience of Amos Ackerman, his second Attorney General. Ackerman was the most vigorous of Grant's attorneys general in prosecuting the Ku Klux Klan. In order to expedite prosecutions, he expanded the powers of the then newly created Federal Justice Department. About 600 Klan members were convicted. Yet, Grant abruptly asked for Ackerman to resign in December 1871. Partly at the prompting of Secretary of State Hamilton Fish, Grant had misgivings about Ackerman's quote, obsession, close quote, with the Klan. Perhaps more importantly, Ackerman also frustrated important Northern capitalists.

3:22:16 He was, for example, critical of the questionable terms under which railroads often qualified for federal subsidies. Racism was just as prevalent in the North as it was in the South. The only difference was that blacks represented about 1%, 1% of the population of the organic Republican states. Those states, those same states, would not have granted blacks the right to vote if blacks accounted for 40% of their population as it did in the South where blacks did account for 40% of the population. And he actually spent more money appropriated by Congress to enforce the KKK acts. He spent most of that money not in the South

3:23:03 but in the north, in the big cities of the north to police the elections where the Irish were voting. Oh wow! You know there's a new book out about Ulysses Grant. Is it? Yeah, yeah I just saw it. I think his name is Brett Baer, a Fox News anchor wrote a book about Ulysses S. Grant. I actually was thinking that's interesting. I should probably read that. I don't know anything about him. Well, that will give this would be a good motivation to read it now. Yeah. But yeah, you saw it. Ackerman started stepping on the toes of big business. That's right. Which railroad is kind of what it would be the equivalent probably to pharmaceuticals now. And it's in this sway at the time. And he had to go and he freed, you know, some of the Klansmen. I don't understand like how, how did these facts line up for Dick Durbin to sit here and celebrate

3:24:02 want to celebrate Mr. Ackerman without fully... If you want to be genuine, you would say, here's a man that was on the wrong side of history but he tried to right himself and that's the way you would posture that. Right, well how about this? How about Dick Durbin wants to do the same thing? He wants to round up a bunch of annoying people and then let them go on the back end. Just a posture. Just a posture. Not dissimilar to the January 6th trespassers. Yes. And I say trespassers because that's what most of them are being held on for now nine months, ten months. But what goes, what I find funny is here's an opportunity for Miss

3:24:51 Kristen Clark, if I make sure I got her name correct. Yeah, you did. Yes, Kristen Clark to be a Amos Ackerman to hold big business accountable being the pharmaceutical industry and say no you can't infringe upon people's civil rights for their personal beliefs and you can't jab them. That would be appropriate from her certainly as a quote African-American You would think so. And I'm saying that's the point I'm trying to make. Or just from the fact that she's had many cases protecting religious beliefs and you know, this is not her first rodeo. So you're on the clock. If you side with, you know what I'm saying, with Big Pharma and allow these things to happen, you're just a, you know,

3:25:40 spoke in the wheel of you know oppression that you claim to be against I mean that's what I'm saying but this is the point facts do not matter as your clips you gave me about a mass formation he's gonna point out that facts do not matter so what happens is that at that moment when people experiences mental intoxication It doesn't matter anymore whether the narrative is correct or wrong, even blatantly wrong. What matters is that it leads up to this mental intoxication. And that's why they continue to go along with the narrative, even if they

3:26:23 could know by thinking for one second that it is wrong. Because for people, it doesn't matter when the narrative is wrong. And what we all try to do is we all try to show constantly that the narrative is wrong. But for people, that's not what it is all about. It's all about this, the fact that they don't want to go back to this painful state of free-floating anxiety. Yeah. I can see by the title of your next clips that I should just wait to tell you what he said is the solution. Uh-huh. Or do you want to know now? Well, I'll say this. Let me just set it up.

3:27:10 I have ironclad proof that reptilians are behind it all. Now you can go ahead and say what you need to say. Oh screw it, forget what I was gonna say. I want to see the proof reptilians are behind it. Let's go. 41. Seth, I want to start by talking about a problem. So for me, when I'm approached with conflict, my immediate response is I'm angry, I lunge and oftentimes, even if my response is right in theory, the collateral damage that I cause by standing up for something is so much worse than the original issue. Yeah, well, it's experienced by everybody. And let's understand why it happens first.

3:27:51 Wild animals are wild animals because they only have a little tiny brain and that little tiny brain keeps them alive. It's about fear and revenge and reproduction and anger and let's go. And human beings have that same brain. But we evolved to have this other brain in front, the one that does ballet, the one that does big ideas. But that brain is slow compared to our wild animal brain, our lizard brain. The lizard brain is right next to our spinal cord and it can go like that. And it floods our brain with chemicals instantly. And this brain It takes three more seconds to catch up. And by the time that happens, it's really difficult for that brain to say, calm down, here's the right answer. You just have to walk down an airplane when they're experiencing turbulence. What we know is planes don't crash because of turbulence. But people freak because the lizard brain takes over. We're going to die. But out of sort of the lizard brain has come this idea of the resistance. How does that work? So Steve Pressfield coined the term. And what it means is that there's part of us that

3:28:49 that doesn't want to be seen. So that's where writer's block comes from. No one actually has writer's block, just like no one gets plumber's block. You just do the plumbing. You can't write because the act of writing means you'll be seen forever by strangers. So you hold back. Oh, literally behind it. They want us to be like them, thinking with their little reptilian brains. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. They do. And this dawn on me. I know it sounds far-fetched. No, but no, but it's just one thing we connect on It's lizard people we connect deeply on lizard people But it's not the fact that they have scaly skin and little beady eyes a long lizard tongue It's their brain. They can't think past and

3:29:43 destroy or you know make babies eat or destroy. That's it. That's all they're able to think on the level of and they want to bring us down to that level of thinking through binary thought. That's the point. That's why they want to destroy humanity. out of jealousy of our ability to have compassion and to be able to rationalize and think with our second and third parts of our brain that they don't have.

3:30:19 That's the whole point and the lizard people behind it. And I know people are rolling their eyes right now saying Moe has flipped his wig. But no, that's the point. That's where they want us at. This is what this gentleman, the clips you gave me, you supplied me with at my ask to say This is what they want. They want us in the little pack or whatever. I don't know what you call a pack of lizards. A brood. You know what I'm saying? Like, they want us in a little brood. I don't know if it's a brood of lizards. I don't know what we're going to roll with it though. You know what I'm saying? I think it's a brood of snakes, right? So I think lizards are a brood of snakes. No, it's a brood. It's a... I don't know. We'll go with a brood of lizards. It sounds so much better. Oh, it's no wait. It's called a lounge. A lounge? Yes.

3:31:08 A group of lizards is called the lounge. Well that's even better. I know, I'm loving this. So they want us all in a lounge of lizards just reacting with our little lizard brains. and not using what we have, or what we've been blessed with, like I said, the ability to use the second and third components of our brain to give us higher thought. And that's what they're jealous about. That's why they want to destroy us. That's the whole thing. The lizard people are behind it. And I put my whole chest on it. Well, that's interesting because when I said to Professor DeSmet, I said, all right, so we have this severe hypnotic state

3:31:51 of the leaders, what do we do? He said the most important thing is keep talking, keep speaking your truth. The minute you stop talking, it's all over. And he said memes and mockery, that's the way to destroy. Why? He says it breaks the spell. Because why? I mean we have to look at it why though because it only a human brain can interpret it. Yes, you're right. The sarcasm, the joke, the mass humor and that's why it really is the most effective tool on their systems because they can't write an algorithm to detect sarcasm.

3:32:35 Exactly no way can that well that maybe one day would not in this not here How can you show the spider-man point that the spider-man meme and have a I detect what you mean by that? You can't I told they want us dumbed down is this is the reason why they're coming to schools It's a reason why they're coming for the children. Oh, this has been going on for a long time. I Of course! The schools and the children, absolutely. But this is the closest they've ever been to it because as you said, the same way teachers and media are outdated, parents are outdated as well. We're at the same time of... You came about when television was first really becoming television. Parents had no clue what television was.

3:33:27 It's like this is a stupid box. It show pictures and play music and play, you know, play sound. They don't understand the cultural integration it has. The same way with smartphones and technology is now. The parents are kind of outdated. So this is the opportune time to seize the young and turn them into little baby lizards. Well, I'm not going to let that happen. I will fight tooth and nail to stop the lizard people from stealing our children. That statement could go on so many levels. You like it, huh? That could go on so many levels. Let's go ahead and wrap up with the lizard brain part two. How does one, when they're trying to make a huge change and take a huge risk, silence the lizard brains around them? Yeah, I wish we could get rid of it. You can't. The harder you try to get rid of it, the stronger it becomes. What you can do is acknowledge it, go with and, not but.

3:34:28 I feel this and I'm going to do something that works as opposed to I feel this but I'm unable to move forward. So the fear won't go away, especially if we want it to. But what we can do is learn to dance with it. One way to think about it, no one says to their coach, how can I run the Boston Marathon without getting tired? Getting tired is part of the deal. Well, the same thing's true with the work that matters. How can I do it without being afraid? You can't. There's something I carry with me and Pema Chodron calls it a Shempa stone. And the idea is when the fear shows up, say, oh, there you go. acknowledge it. But you say when the fear shows up. I don't know that I identify it as fear. Well if the lizard shows up, it might be fear, it might be anger, it's all that primeval stuff. So the best advice I give people all the time is that you should start a blog and you should write a blog every day. I've done 7,500 in a row, haven't missed a day in more than 15 years. And the reason is simple because it means every night you go to bed saying tomorrow I need to say something in writing that

3:35:29 This is gonna be out there for years to come. But if every day we're writing something down and putting it out there to the universe, we're taking a risk and we're gonna have to live with those words and own those words forever. Exactly. And isn't that great? But do you worry that in 2018, we're not looking to solve for getting out of lizard brain? It seems like lizard brain is getting celebrated and winning the game. Wow. And that was from what? That was from NBC, Better Rules. That is with Seth Godin. Oh, I recognize. Yeah, I know Seth Godin, sure. I thought I recognized the voice.

3:36:13 It's never surprised me who you... I'll be more surprised if you say you didn't know them. At this point, I'm knowing you. I won't be surprised to see when you say you don't know someone. It was interesting, we were just talking about Seth Godin because he's doing some other... he's all over the place. I would know he was doing a climate change book. He's a marketing guy. Now, that's why in this context Seth Godin knows what he's talking about. He knows very well how the lizard brain works because that's how he made his career in advertising. And advertising plays on your lizard brain. Sure does. I mean, watch the commercials. 100%. I never got a new truck. You know what I'm saying? I have to go get a new truck. Or my mate or my spouse or mate would think I'm less than the other guy. Oh no, it's like, of course. And if you drink this beer, look at the women you're going to get.

3:37:06 Yes, mating. Yeah. It goes all back to the lizard brain. We are under attack by lizard people. I mean, that's just say what says and you can take that in in the metaphorical way that I mean it right now as in we're surrounded by lizard brain people that only think with the most base human values and that's a very that's how you end up with Mao's China. And Mofax with Adam Curry is here to help ourselves and you fight the lizard brain takeover. The fact that you're listening probably means you're already in a good place, but for sure, certainly with the outrage that's going on everywhere today, we're all just seconds away from that flip that they were talking about. Boom, in a heartbeat, the lizard brain kicks in, you're out of control.

3:38:04 Right, and you make a mistake that you'll regret for a very long time if you live in that space for too long. Well, that's my rap. Hey Mo, thank you. This was, I like this a lot. I learned so much now. I feel a lot more empowered about being able to speak about the critical race theory. controversy and of course you know 67 episodes of schooling before this has helped me understand a lot more about the people and the players involved this is another topper man thank you so much I appreciate that Adam and as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself I'll see you in two weeks Moe and the live next Wednesday

3:38:45 8 o'clock. You like this song? I'm gonna sing it for you. I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way Show them all the beauty they possess inside And give them a sense of pride To make it easier Let the children's lives

3:39:25 Remind us how we used to be. Everybody's searching for a hero. People need someone to look up to. I never found anyone who fulfilled my need. A lonely place to be And so I learned to depend on me. I decided long ago never to walk in anyone's shadow. If I fail, if I succeed, at least I live as I believe. No matter what they take from me, they can't take

3:40:25 my dignity because the greatest love of all was happening to me. I found greatest love of all inside of me. The greatest love of all is easy to achieve.

3:41:16 Learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all. And if by chance that special place that you've been dreaming of leads you to a lonely

3:41:51 The shake one is the amnesia. You like that song kids? Yeah!