81: Qincidence

00:02 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for May 21st, 2022. It's episode number 81 y'all! That's right that's my Texas drawl ya'll 95 degrees here in Texas what are we at? May?! Are you kidding me I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country FEMA region number six and it's time once again to spin The Wheel Of Topics from here to Northern Virginia I wonder what the temperature is let's find out please say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. Mo Facts How you doing Adam? Moe, I'm always good when i hear your sultry tones brother. Speaking of hot weather this is the perfect song for the intro yeah we got a little summertime

00:49 Early summertime. It's like 90 degrees it was like 95 here yesterday, it's just insane what's going on? They got a they keep turning on harp to ruin our food supply or something I don't know what's going on man is bad. It's really bad How does everything go Mo you cool everything's going well? Almost died What are you talking about eating some banana nut bread and almost took me out here But I'm good Are you allergic for nuts or for bananas oh No, it was actually just choked on a piece of it. Not too bad. I'm sorry. It's like strangled with it almost uh... I'm sorry about that. Everything is going good how about yourself? Yeah everythings real good man its just its a little bit too warm out we actually went to

01:35 The Keeper and I went to South Carolina, Charleston for a big meetup. And I got to tell you it was kind of yeah it was no agenda meet up It was also like a podcasting 2.0 Meet Up and it wasn't Mo Fax Meet-Up! It was fantastic. I met Roger Roundy artist to the stars and to the biggest podcast in the world who has done some Dynamite MoFax t-shirts and the official logo for the thumbnail that we use just to give us props. Did you receive anything while you were there? I received a lot of things Mo, what exactly are you talking about? Are you talking about something that i specifically would like yes yeah yeah I've received all that everything's good okay thank you very much oh you know and people like hey man is mo here I said I don't know he could be a bald white Jewish guy. I don't know I've never seen him I have no idea who the guy is. I have no idea Mo. Shlomo facts there ya go

02:35 It's real good to talk with you. Actually, before we start... I gotta throw out a sad puppy here for a moment because, you know we move the show to every two weeks. We try to stay on schedule sometimes stuff just gets in the way and everyone's really busy Mo had to quit his job several months ago and i convinced him that this podcast could be his income And of course like the smart guy that he is He has another thing that he's doing while working on all things Fax Machine, you know the fax fam this podcast all of it and I just looked at them donations. I just want to say I want everyone to listen really carefully to this show

03:19 to the, you know and bear in mind there's 44 clips that have been selected curated. There is an entire story that is going to be laid out for you And just ask yourself if that's worth anything to you? And of the work that goes into it Is something that would like to return some value for So when we get our donation segment It will be short More show. Yes, more show and I know times are hard for everybody and we had tax day and everything but it's got to be said this is how the model works if if we're not getting the value back...I know Mo has other things to do so let's not force him there

04:00 Now that the business is out of the way. Yeah, let's spin the wheel for a second! Let's find out what is the topic for Mo Facts with Adam Curry episode number 81? Round and round the wheel goes where it stops nobody knows but Mo knows where it is... The topic for episode 81 is... And he can never be Tupac. And you can never beat Tupac. He can never beat Tupac so... Oh, he can never beat Tupac. That was the voice of I just gotta stop stop for a minute You asked me how I was. I'm doing well, but the Black Men Coalition have took a hard L since we last spoke. Mr. Kevin Samuels passed away and I want to put much respect on his name. I know he's a very polarizing figure but you know as we do around here if nothing more we humanize people so may that brother rest in peace. Indeed and it was a shock to me because you sent me the link

04:58 Because of course, you know a black man dying doesn't show up on my Twitter timeline please. And I was just like wow it was shocking to me because i've watched this stuff A LOT! I've always enjoyed what he has to say and I think that he has a lot of really valid points and very MoFax attitude towards things. I understand why he was polarized Do we know what he passed away from? Was this sudden unexpected? The official word is not out yet Something concerning his heart Like I said, it's just that that's a hard one right there because what we always talk about independent media and that's what it allows for different viewpoints. But yeah, that's not what this show is about but I had to use his voice for the ISO. Yeah, so much respect put all our respect on his name but we got to talk about The Will Smith and uh... Oh yeah! This is what we've all been waiting for! Oh yes! I wish you could see my face now Moe. Oh by the way if-I'm sorry to interrupt

05:56 We tested, yesterday we tested Podcasting 2.0 live with video and the Boostergrams which is like YouTube super chat It's still bailing wire and gaffer tape but Mo it's working I actually streamed myself Which is against all of my principles I streamed myself live and i did it through StreamYard and everything works so we're getting very close to being ready for you. Uh-oh, he's sounding like a YouTuber! Youtube killer is what I'm building for you Moe, I'm building it for you, for nobody else And for all the people that want to have the freedom of speech That's that's the big thing because we see what's going on now but not to belabor this...I know everybody is on pins & needles to get to the episode But one more thing about

06:46 the Kevin Samuels situation. You got to see real time after show 80 how ugly black Twitter can be or Samuels of black Twitter can be. Yes, indeed And so that was a sad part about it and I guess we can go ahead and get started This is... We gotta start at the beginning this is Will Packard talking to Tiffany Cross about the 94th Academy Awards Alright, next Sunday is the 94th annual Academy Awards and this year is already bound to be different with three women set to host. And the one and only Will Packer, FAMU alum and big time Hollywood mogul heading up the Oscars first ever all black production team I am so thrilled and excited to welcome Will Packer! Woah! How you doing? Hey I didn't know that! What?!

07:39 The whole production team was quote-unquote black? Except for the host, obviously. I mean if I didn't count it from production but did you catch that while we got the clip stopped three women yeah I'm so thrilled and excited to welcome Will Packer. How you doing this morning brother? So happy to have you on the show, and thank you for being here my friend. How are you? Of course! You kidding me when you call I answer that's how we roll HBCU family in the house. I appreciate you at all you do it how you feeling

08:14 I'm feeling great now that you're sharing the screen with me and i want to get right into it because there's a lot happening in the world right now. And you know pulling together glamorous award show is frequently primed for making political points One of your co-hosts, Amy Schumer she suggested Ukraine president make an appearance President Volodymyr Zelensky. So I found that really interesting, one will we see Zelensky at the Academy Awards? And two how political do you anticipate this event being as a good question you know and and i will tell you into her credit Amy is always somebody who wants to push the envelope in a variety of ways not that this is particularly envelope pushing but she is somebody who not even just with political statements or social impact but also just in terms of entertainment values comes in with

08:58 a ton of really, really great ideas. And so what I was saying, I can't reveal anything specific yet but the show's still coming together, still in process even though it's just a week away it all comes together very quickly at the end. What I'll say just kind of overall is that we want this show to be fun and entertaining. I think there are a lot of amazing spaces and platforms that are discussing what we all know as a very tumultuous time In the world and it has been the last couple of years what I want this to be Tiffany is an escape. I really do I wanted to be a celebration? I wanted to be a night The tone of it should be fun and uplifting And it should also be something that it's not just about just a Hollywood elites Was entertaining maybe not in the way they intended and pushing envelopes yeah, there was definitely envelopes to be pushed or

09:52 conversations to be ignited from this event happening. Now I have to caution people, I've done-I've talked about this on several occasions on the YouTube channel but this is the first time me and you actually talked about it in detail... But how you alerted me was Chris Rock just touched-did we say Chris Rock just touched third rail? Please please! Well I can probably look it up exactly but yeah I think that's what I said is uh hold on second yeah Chris Rock just touched the third rail and I think I said he slapped the crap out of

10:29 Will Smith just bitch slapped Chris Rock. Yeah, that's what it is He came up there and said something witty or funny or That way so I looked at my phone was like okay You know saying well if I was shot they took the third rail but I mean as Chris rock So right it wasn't till later. I think grump hit me Oh, I did you see the video? And I was like a what in the world had exploded It was just funny how when you said that I took it as the last thing it would be with physical violence. Yeah, yeah Just one thing about Amy Schumer Mm-hmm. Um, I actually thought she was pretty good She made me laugh a couple times and I was like oh that's interesting because I'm not an Amy Schumer fan And moreover not a fan because I heard

11:22 I think i can say this Joe Rogan told me that comedians hate her because she's a joke stealer and that's like the lowest thing. That's the lowest of the lowest yeah you cannot be much worse than that yeah so take that for what it is And again, I'm not a fan. She's very woke and so I don't like her in real life But what she did was pretty funny that was okay for as long as it lasted It was some of it was inappropriate You know feeling guys up and feeling their butts like okay since when is that? Okay and wake in woke world and there were some of the Oscars as well but I guess now we got to get too

12:01 because we're going to talk about amy schumer a little bit later right because she plays this is a weird strange role in the black oscars quote unquote black oscars it's like okay but we'll get there now this is after the fact will packers interviewed about the moment that stunned the world. It sounds like Chris Rock had the ability, the option, to have the LAPD go arrest and remove Will Smith from that theater that night? That's an absolute fact. The LAPD made it clear we will do whatever you want us to do, and one of the options is that we will go and arrest him right now. Oh wow! Wow!

12:50 Will Smith just smacked the sh** out of me. That moment came after what we now know was an unscripted joke from Rock about Smith's wife Jada Pinkett-Smith, who has recently been vocal about her battle with alopecia. Jada I love you! G.I. Jane too can't wait to see it alright? You're sitting, monitors around you. Tell me what's in your room around here? I said watch this he's gonna kill because i knew he had an amazing lineup of jokes that we had we had him in the prompter and ultimately he did not get to one joke He didn't tell one of the plan jokes. He was just immediately freestyling, but I thought this was part of something that Chris and Will were doing on their own. I thought it was a bit like everybody else. Not concerned as he's walking. I figured okay you know he's gonna say something or come at him something funny is gonna happen because that's the nature of Chris and that's the nature of Will so

13:49 Let's see what happens. That is, yeah that's true that's what everybody expected until of course we all found saw quickly that it wasn't a bit or at least wasn't supposed to be It didn't end as a bit and that's the million dollar question that I've waited so long for The Other Shooter drop to make this show To have something definitive if it was staged or not because you heard Will Packers say He said none of the plan jokes. He just came up there and just freestyled it, which is weird strange to do but it would fit to leaning to the side of being staged Now I have to ask you which side are you on was a stage or do you think it was real? Real or not? I think it was sorry Are you are you uncertain? I got you well give you out no um

14:48 The what I saw looked like every movie slap. I've seen so these are it looked to me like two guys who Who definitely had have trained in the art of making a punch or slap or something look real? Mm-hmm, I think that's what a lot of people saw Or at least it kind of felt that way It was you know and I've of course I've watched the video on slow motion is very hard to tell I don't know But that's why it's good So these guys Either they had rehearsed this or they've rehearsed. They've done this enough to know how it works And so you have just kind of standing in that stance the it might have been muscle memory at that point actually Just listening to That clip now, let's just listen to it again No, I'm sorry was this one? I just wanted to hear that moment again It sounds like Chris Rock good. Where was it here?

15:44 Arrest him right now. That sounded like a microphone being hitting, him being hit It doesn't- And that's the one of the thing? Yes I'm an audio guy so i listen to this and like that doesn't sound like someone got slapped just listen again Oops, I'm going back Is that we will go and arrest him right now Oh wow! It didn't sound right, it didn't look right to me and of course the only reason why what was shocking was not even that. I was like oh man maybe these guys just like to slap each other there's you know there's trends on TikTok for that too but when he started saying keep my wife's name out of your effing mouth

16:30 you know, so that maybe that part was unscripted. I don't know but uh... That's the weird because like he said everything up to this slap stage even this what that what was said after the slap Will's part he's a top you're saying top of actors all time So i mean that that's easy for him to do What was impressed me if it was acting, was Chris Rock. And the way he kind of like lost for words and so was it that... Because when we say staged It could be pre-planned on Will's part. Like, if he said anything about Jada this is what I'm gonna do and not be upset about it because he was actually laughing when you first said the joke and it was like somebody got the teacup out, you know what I'm saying? And started stirring it, get out style and triggered his MK keys. Yes that's right. You even texted me that so now Jada holds his MK keys

17:32 Oh yeah, oh yeah. That set me down a whole rabbit hole I'm glad we're doing this episode Right so where are we going to...I wanted to get that out the way because now were gonna discuss this solely as if it was staged who has the clout to make this call on this stage at this night the 94th Academy Awards The Black Oscars Let's see what happens. Keep my wife's name out your f***ing mouth! I'm going to, okay? Once I saw Will yelling at the stage with such vitriol my heart dropped and I just remember thinking oh no...oh no

18:16 Not like this. And Chris was keeping his head when everybody else was losing theirs, but my heart at that point was just in my stomach because of everything about it and what it represented and what it looked like and who was involved all of that was just I never felt so immediately devastated like i did in that moment. But it still wasn't until Rock walked backstage that Packer was finally convinced that Smith had actually struck him The winners are walking off stage, Chris is with them and I immediately go up to Chris And you say what or you do what? Yeah I said did he really hit you

18:58 And he looked at me and he goes, yeah. He goes I just took a punch from Muhammad Ali as only Chris can't. He was immediately in joke mode but you could tell that he was very much still in shock. Okay so obviously Will Packers I don't think is in on it No if there were something to be in on I'd look at all sorry to say but I'd look at the producers Like the other producers. The other producers. Let me start my, see what he has to say about it. He sincerely sounds like cause you get let me translate some of the things he was saying all right? He said in a very political way like oh that sinking feeling what he's actually saying is they let us have the Oscars day being black people and this is what happens Oh God no we're never going to get this. Yeah yeah You know what's interesting

19:58 I didn't know this was the Black Oscars. I didn't view it that way, certainly not at that point in the show At no point was like oh man this is just black people Oscars and i'm sensitive because of the show Right. And, you know my job in general so I'm always looking at that now at the end of the show what I've said maybe it was a little skewed in the voting maybe but I didn't get to feel that it was you know The Black Oscars as an...I didn't even know that it was produced by an entire quote-unquote black team And it wasn't highly touted because I had to go to Tiffany Cross's, no disrespect her show to find you know the preclips. It wasn't like it was a big press run and say this is the Black Oscars Some of the acts like you said I think Megan Thee Stallion performed yeah that was kind of weird and out of place like okay We've seen 36 Mafia perform as well so we've seen this before

20:56 But there's a reason behind this being at the black Oscar so we can get to it you want to say something no No, that's good. I'm all ears did we stop it for? Yeah, we're on five yeah here We go okay. I made that clear like rock You tell me whatever you want to do brother and he was telling me I'm fine Let's just get past this. I'm getting out of here, I can't believe this happened." The LAPD came and needed to talk to Chris and so they came into my office and they were laying out very clearly what Chris' rights were

21:35 And they were saying, this is battery. We will go get him we are prepared to get him right now you can press charges we can arrest them as they were talking Chris was he's been very dismissive of those options like no I'm fine it was like No and even to the point where I said, Rock let him finish and they said would you like us to take any action? And he said no. He said no Yeah That's interesting by itself You know, he really hasn't made a statement, he took no action, he has been kind of quiet that is all very unexpected For me it was expected because the less he talks about it I think it helps in couple ways

22:28 when he actually does talk about it, like in an actual stand-up form. It's gonna be blocked but I mean Netflix... Yeah you're right yeah. He has Netflix on the phone right now like to send over the blank check you know that kind of thing and two i think if this was set up let's be clear we're going down the hoax rabbit hole so I think that people that did possibly they could have set this up wanted him to get Will Smith arrested to make him even seem like a bigger sellout then they already think he is. It's a win-win, I mean you take Black Oscars, you take Will Smith out of handcuffs because Chris Rock snitched that I mean that totally you know... That's even a bigger story and i think Will Packer was..I'm sure he was in that room

23:17 Like, please don't make it any bigger scene than it is. So good point. Good point. It's beneficial for everybody to keep this quiet so now we have the smack so now we gotta go listen to Amy Schumer how she was traumatized by the slapping Did I miss anything? There's like a different vibe in here." Amy Schumer shocked and confused like the rest of us, shortly after Will Smith slapped Chris Rock during the Oscars. Now the 40-year old comedian who emceed The Big Night is weighing in — admitting she is still triggered and traumatized by the whole thing

24:04 Just a little refresher. Guys, I'm a huge star! Look at me...I'm at the Oscars! You are? Can you believe it?! Amy co-hosted the 2022 Academy Awards alongside Regina Hall and Wanda Sykes — and the ladies brought the funny Getting to do this with Regina and Wanda, they are such heroes of mine. They are comedy royalty! We've been having so much fun I have enjoyed every second of getting ready with these ladies." But it was this joke made by Chris Rock that had everyone talking... Okay, so it wasn't the joke that had everyone talking. It was Jada Pinkett Smith's husband Will Smiths reaction to the joke that had everyone talking. Oh wow! Wow! Will Smith just smacked the s*** out of me.

25:05 Well, on Tuesday Amy weighed in on Instagram saying that her friend Chris handled it like a pro. She calls the whole thing so disturbing and writes that she's still in shock and stunned and sad! She even specifically calls out the pain she saw in Will... quote, "...waiting for this sickening feeling to go away from what we all witnessed." Just one thing, since you know this is what our show is about and it's not even because of the show at no point when that when this happened did I think wow man see black guys can't keep it together. I did! I know you did and that's why I'm bringing it up I just want you to know that I do not believe that as typical non-black thinking at that moment

26:03 Maybe later the suggestion comes from Twitter or something, but it did and I am very aware of my thinking in these things It didn't didn't cross my mind at all. I'm just saying that so you know Because I also know that that's exactly what you thought you're like holy crap this does not help is dead It's two things. One, it is due to what W.E.B Du Bois called the double consciousness of black people. One we know how we perceive ourselves and two we know how we are perceived and I liken that to you wearing going back just for a minute You not wearing your mask for the first time during peak COVID. I'm with ya! I'm with ya! You knew how you felt but then you could i guess

26:50 empathize or put yourself in another person's shoes to say I know how i'm being perceived by them not wearing a mask however yes, however. However Yes if this was set up and known and publicized as the first black oscars like a pandemic was the first pandemic now It's very different with masking than not masking because it's a little, you know...it's more normalized. It's also normalized to not have a mask on So there's... That why I said peak, peak COVID. That's why I made that saying that specific point of peak. When you first walked into that grocery store and at first brave moment walking in And I know this Mo because my exterior showed something different

27:47 Bear with me, your exterior shows black man my exterior shows white man. My point is that these were two superstar comedians not black men And I believe that to be true initially at peak Oscar moment That most white people did not see that the way you saw it either now That's different because what you knew was and and this I agree with you with of course What you knew is this is going to have repercussions. It wasn't that's why I said specifically at that moment

28:23 I wasn't thinking that way. I don't think the majority of non-black people were thinking that way, non colored people let's just say it but you knew that was going to come and this issue would come and that would have course come from the black community itself But it was a weird situation because like Amy Schumer She didn't wanna, she wanted to be supportive for Chris Rock but not demonizing O'Will. Cause that's why she said I could feel Wills pain like basically in it for women more specifically feminist It was one, it was a awkward position to put in To say oh violence is okay and man should take up for his woman

29:16 That kind of thing. Yeah, that's a whole other aspect to it you're absolutely right I forgot about that was that was a huge aspect Yes when i was just this my perception of it I knew every Every angle was gonna be ran but my first thing with my part and this is my first thought I gotta get to Then I turned the Oscars to the Source Awards That was my first thought because the source awards was known for fighting I mean to the point where it was spread to other different awards and a lot of the fights beefs were staged to promote people's albums or you know projects or whatever else yeah it wasn't like any real so that was my thought like oh they didn't use this big stage to promote something now but I was like if there's we'll have a movie coming out well here was here's the other thing and i believe every man who is in marriage or relationship did this turn to your wife or woman

30:17 birthing person and said, uh how would you feel if that's what was my response to this joke? Did you ask Ms. Fax about that? Let's listen to Tiffany Haddish' response and then we'll talk about it on the other side Would you define tonight as uncomfortable? No, I would define tonight as success It was a great night tonight First of all, I've seen a man stand up for his wife which we don't see that much anymore That made me have hope How about you? I wanted your opinion on it because you're a comedian and so it was that thing where like, was that joke too far how did you feel about what Will did because You are someone who's done comedy and yet like you just said you saw man defending his wife. Yeah! I want to know how YOU felt about would you want your husband do that for you if he was clearly hurt?! I mean they put her face up on the screen looked over at his wife she was HURT What would you want?

31:14 I would want him to defend me. The thing that made me sad was like this was a big night for Will and then you saw that emotion for him and it's just, I don't think I've still processed how this night went Well, I just know she better take care of business when they get home. Because I know I would if my man did that for me! I'm just saying... Yellow! Did you talk to either of them tonight? Yeah, I did. Okay well, did you tell them how you felt? Oh they know how I feel. Yes okay. They know how I feel and thats my friends. Well, you go way back with them to that. To some of the girls trip? Yeah yeah they know my crazy. It was incredible to watch Will up there T1 how did you feel watching him give that speech I felt very proud I felt gratified and I just hope that more men are like that care about their families

32:07 Now it's not just about you, right? It's not just about you sir. What about your family the people you create the people that help you be who you are That's important That's what I think America forgot about Wow Okay So and this is right after the Oscars this why played if this was like one of the first You know Points like put out there and that was a meme that was pushed you know, a man standing up for his wife. A man standing up for his wife and that's why I said it. That's why I wanted the white waited till we talked about on the other side of the clip now are there certain things where i will put my hands on another person or another person? I'm not gonna be uh...uh..that specific over my wife yeah there are certain things There are certain things that when you cross that line when you get back in the car with her Or when you uh she'll never look at you the same

33:07 So there are lines. Is this one of them? I don't, just my opinion being if they were in Hollywood is what happens jokes are told If it's solely that joke no but there's more to it than that joke Yeah of course there's more to it and some of that is known But my question was did you discuss it with your wife No we actually like I said We basically was like, did you see that? Yeah. That was crazy and then more of the stage conversation but my wife already knows like there's certain yeah There's certain lies you can cross But I'll say this because this was a big component of the gender war See this thing didn't only cut across the race. Oh yeah. Yeah, I know that's why it's so interesting in it Yes, the gender thing too

33:58 Should you stand up for a woman? Was Willis simp? Did she deserve to be stood up for because the way she's humiliated him in public all of those things factor into it. So here's sorry so, Of course I we had this discussion and we probably had it after the meme was already launched and In my mind already at that point I had a question which i was going to ask you, which is... Is this more of a black american thing? Standing up for your woman. Going to fist fight more easily perhaps. I don't know if that's true but that meme definitely reached me it's like oh well you know the black man black woman you got to stand up for your woman That's just what I perceive not how I think

34:45 Because that meme was pushed heavily and early. You see what Tiffany had is early. So with that in mind, Tina and I were discussing it we both agreed that hell yeah i should do something but it would be either My in my moment on stage where I'd say something clever and take him down with with a swift Sharp words, you know with the blade It's I think that can be very effective But I certainly would have gone up afterwards and said what the hell was that all about bro? And now that might come to some kind of altercation but I'm not one for going for violence if someone does something with words or

35:24 and embarrassment, but I guess the point is there was a lot more behind this. And this Tiffany Haddish meme if it truly originated from her from her own thinking or was pushed this way that definitely skewed a lot of the conversation. And that was damage control because here's another thing they seem like they called Jada off guard Because in the after effects, she tried to distance herself away from the slap. Like I didn't really want him to do that! I mean, I didn't really go down that path with these slaps? Also, I never saw...I watched all different angles and I really looked for angles of them but I didn't see her looking something like man this hurts me so bad you gotta go up there and whoop his ass. I didn't see it That time after the joke

36:17 Okay, it's several scenes that were shot and that's why there's another reason why I dread doing this just audio because you had to see it but I'm gonna try to Illustrate what was said he said the joke will last then. He kind of looks over in Jada Then there's that what transpired between them two and we're heading towards a stage those several seconds has never been shown. I've looked on every platform possible, can't find it anywhere what transpired between her and him to signal to him that he had to go from laughing so he wasn't initially offended. There was something that happened between them two

37:01 where he felt like he needed to do that. Yeah, and I can't... No one knows the secret signals between two people who've been in a long-term relationship but ummm....I couldn't detect any. The only thing that came into my mind is well yeah this guy is so desperate you know okay from my own therapy to me Will has severe mother issues She has taken advantage of this for a long time. I was in similar relationships with different aspects and by the way, no regrets no one's to blame but myself certainly...I blame myself for not figuring out my shit earlier in life

37:50 But that was a big component because you can have a complex, an issue with your mother and we all get screwed up by our parents somehow. And that can fit perfectly like a puzzle piece into perhaps someone who has a personality such as Jada and that really could just get bad over time. I say this because maybe you have this clip later there's the clip of her you know, showing... filming Will in their house or in his kitchen. He's like hey don't do this and she is just acting like an a-hole to him. Oh see my mom! This is exactly why Will sabotages everything I mean it was bizarre and that to me was like oh my god this is very dysfunctional relationship so

38:38 She may not have had to eve it could have been just a tensing of her left bicep that could have set him off because he so desperately Wants to make his mother proud and happy of him, and I don't know if you've seen the two three videos I've done on YouTube But I did one way prior to this called a mother's wheel And then talked about He's taken ayahuasca 14 times oh really yes I didn't want to rehash a lot of stuff. I know a lot of our producers listen to all the different platforms, so i didn't want to rehash a bunch of stuff and now we're filling in where I've captured you are exactly right he does have mother issues because he said his father was physically abusive towards his mother and he felt like he couldn't protect her to the point that he was suicidal about it okay so that plays into what your spot on

39:34 Scenics cuz you're hitting you picking up on all the signs without being This is why this show is so genius, Moe. This ain't no Barack Obama-Bruce Springsteen ripoff crap man. No it's 2002 laptops! We're giving to the boss and I'm both. But yeah so he has all that going on and let's just stop dancing around a lot of people feel that she's his handler in several ways And the clip you talk about that I don't have here because the inner workings of their relationship too much but i think there's an underlying theme on am going to get to but in that clip he said she wanted to kind of uh ambush him to get some promo for this doctor that promotes um

40:24 what's it called, um uh open marriages. Yeah that's what Esther I forget her last name Esther would at Pearl? I think something like that but anyway he was uh she-he was like no i'm not gonna don't ambush me like that and he said something and it was very telling to me He said, you know social media is my bread and butter right now. Yes! And I was like what? What do you mean? This guy's one of the biggest movie stars in the business Or is he? Think about it...what movie has Blockbuster has Will been in? It's several Netflix videos Independence Day? I'm talking about recently See this is where

41:12 It's so many things man, I struggle with making this show it was like because there's the theme of When a man is old or too old, he's not a young man anymore so you can't play the young men roles. And he's not Morgan Freeman yet to play the old magical Negro roles which Hollywood... No seriously! That's not a joke that's an archetype they want older guys to play and he doesn't have a footing in Hollywood because he's not the Young Independence Day actor anymore Of course, what was the most recent? So King Richard was of course this was... This wasn't a blockbuster as far as I know. No! But he was handpicked for this role by Serena and Venus Yeah before that it was Men in Black right? It's dried up Well of course you've had three so that's done Okay so he has been basically in a ten year lull Does that make sense if we just look at

42:14 Yeah, and I'm not to not Will Smith. What i'm saying is... It's Hollywood that's how it works If somebody says that you know social media is my bread and butter That was sad And what I heard there was I'm not giving away promotion for free To her, this is how I make my money now because them Hollywood checks are not rolling in anymore. But how does he make his money with social media? Because I see a social media it's funny you know his Instagrams are cute and he's riffing off of family and stuff. I guess ads maybe Instagram pays him to place ads on his channel

42:51 You could be monetized on Instagram. I gotta tell you if he's worried, he can only be worried about having work because when it says bread and butter that insinuates that it's a financial thing as that's hard for me to imagine is it? Yes! Well, there's another clip like you put me in a bad spot cuz now I gotta tell you about another clip Okay. There's another clip where he comes home and basically Jada shoots the red table talks in their house Yeah So their house is basically production stage now mm-hmm Another thing like she might be know

43:28 Bringing in a significant amount of income to pair with this is all speculation. We don't know we're not accountants But when he said bread and butter that was like that was uh, that was the most Everything else their relationship I would like on a bread and butter excuse me Yeah Bread-and-butter like and that goes to show you while she has to kind of For lack of better word, pimp out the family on the red table talk. She has to keep even him she brought him up in there embarrassed them about being a cuckold basically Let me tell you one other personal story and I understand part of this as well When so I had a big business problem in the Netherlands around 2000 round 99-2000 partner of mine turned out to be a crook and he knew him. He was a friend for seven years, but he had assumed identity all kinds of crap

44:18 And when everything started to fall apart, there was... we had businesses together investments together. All of that got locked up by the law So I in essence had no money. I couldn't access my money It's kind of irritating and you know because it was just court cases and it all got solved later and now I was of course exonerated but you know the pain and just embarrassment and all this stuff is going on In order to make money for my family, guess what I did? It's a joke there. Hey Adam this is my wife Cindy No no close but no...I started the Adams Family Reality Show

45:08 And I sold it to a TV broadcaster. Of all the things you thought, it wasn't that was it? Okay! And that got us through and I sat down with my daughter and my wife...I said look here's how we're gonna do it We can do this You know we are exceptional at this kind of stuff because of course It isn't anything but true reality. It is really us but you know where we have our filters we know how to do this since we've been around media so much, but it was 100%, not because I wanted to show my family. Because I had...I was out of options so we made a reality show." So this fits into your theory that this Red Table is based if especially if it's in your house that you're a reality show and that's the way I've seen that thing and that's what they're doing. That does add credence to the theory that they are doing this to make money she's doing that Will does his thing

46:03 It is kind of sad if you know because he had to have had some good deals in there certainly on even on residuals so Once again, but if you're spending it like you make it and then you have a few dry years If you don't change your lifestyle, well, it just speeds up the process. And that's the thing like they can't afford their black royalty there Black Bull a rule C. I mean, yeah, it is later on. It's right? You can't afford to go backwards. You can't be caught flying coach. You can't be caught flying first class. You should be fine. You got to be flying private otherwise your not royalty. It's totally true. Totally part of the deal

46:43 and to give you another scenario for it so we can jump back into the clips. You remember Meghan Markle, and speaking of another cuck, Harry... Yeah they went for the Netflix deal They had no but remember they had to go live in Tyler Perry's home and live with rich friends. Cash flow is different from wealth, you don't have that liquid it's like we can't go live in a single family home? We have heirs to keep up and I'm just stressing that point because That bread and butter, I was gonna put it in here but they didn't kind of fit because i'm going somewhere else with it. But I'm glad you brought that up. I appreciate that. All right. That bread and butter thing was like... So now to reward me you're gonna make me play a clip by Toure? I mean this is not a reward Moe. You're hurting me now! Well this is Touré AND Jason Jackson! You're hurting me now! This is painful! Double trouble! Double trouble all right but they're gonna unpack toxic masculinity

47:40 I can't say that I would have done something different. You could make jokes about me all day long and I'm going to take it because Regina Hall earlier in the show made a joke about y'all got an open marriage will want you come up here and let's talk about that. That's about Willow, right? Like you could joke about me But a joke about my wife and her body, my mama. My kids now you've gone too far, Mama. And like I can't roll with that and I noticed to Chris Rock of all people made a documentary called Good Hair, which was extraordinary. Which he made because of his daughter's feelings about their hair as they were coming into being teenagers

48:27 So he's intimately aware of black women's hair issues. And even still, he thought it was okay to make fun of a black woman not having hair in front of the entire world. I don't think that it matters that Rock didn't know she has alopecia A joke that is specifically based on a woman's physical, specific woman's physical appearance. Is probably wrong is dangerous is probably going to rub people the wrong way and you know it was in the room. The room was definitely not like yay good joke but room was like whoa that joke was not cool.

49:11 I disagree. Touched the third rail! Yeah, man... That's what that room was saying like... And that was my initial reaction because of our work together that's why i said oh man he just touched the third rail like that's interesting um and one other question for you Now this doesn't work, I'm only talking about men to men. White man to white man and certainly in certain states New Jersey is where i spent the most time but I see it here in Texas too you know we all have some physical or we all have something messed up right

49:50 And so maybe someone's got a limp, someone's got a hump, someones' got tics. But we call each other usually by our nicknames which are really cruel like hey cripple, hey baldy and you know...and were cool with it! Is this the same with black men? Nicknames are not you can't self nickname yourself or very rarely. No no not self-nikname But if someone comes up and says hey cripple, hey shorty hey baldy whatever then that's cool right? That's the point I'm getting to mmm If it's your nickname Like we got Bucky a buckie is there or you're saying like a lot of common when it's like dark skin to calm black smoke, right

50:30 Smoke. Or like if your light skin is red, you know what I'm saying? You got different names like a big... Great point of the dude from Friday Tiny I think it's Leston, Debo. We don't even know his real name anymore. Or you call a little guy Big Man. You know what i'm saying? Like that kind of thing so uh... It's common but it has to be... Right but so G.I Jane, I mean it starts somewhere right someone says hey man I'm gonna call you Red and call you Smoke I'm gonna call you G.I. Jane now the gosker stage may be not most appropriate place i'm just thinking it's like everyone knows each other, I mean G.I. Jane with its also kind of me personally I've been called a lot of things for my hair I'm not a black woman but uh well I play one on the radio sometimes I was thinking like that's not even negative Timmy Moore was hot in that movie You said huh? No because it is...no

51:33 It doesn't matter. You can't say anything about the third rail over these years. Yeah, I know. I gotcha. That's the third rail of all third rails. Like that would be... I'm conquering them one at a time and we're knocking them down but like Even he made the movie about the good hair movie But now we have to go back to it wasn't about the joke because we laughed about it Yeah, it was how the jokes received now going back to his ayahuasca use He said he met a woman there named mother goddess or mother and She like gives him comfort whatever so that goes into the mother issues Now on

52:17 alopecia side of it. I've watched several videos of doctors, of doctors with alopecia themselves say that they don't think Jada has alopecia because you shouldn't have follicles left. Right. Now what she does have is a large scar in the top of her head some people say that's due to surgery facelift that kind of thing or it could be where they... You put the chip in there? It's big enough for It's floppy, you know what I'm saying? Like a 3.5, it goes right in there so... Let me say one other thing when it comes to ayahuasca. I have not done ayahuasca. I have done DMT twice which to me is the ayahuasca without the puking for 24 hours but what you're doing with ayahuasca, you're gorging yourself and that's how you purge

53:14 But the DMT itself, this is very suspicious that he met... This is not... The DMT is well documented. It's really well documented. Pixies, things coming to life Yeah Some mother figure? What do you call it? Mother goddess mother god. It's a you won't look it up New York Post article We're saying we could talk about on the other side of the clip, but it says Will Smith takes ayahuasca 14 times and like I said I did this show two months prior to the slap because when I heard that And this was doing a rollout of his book will

53:53 They were stressing the drama. He was having weight gain problems, 20 pounds overweight which made him depressed. He was going through the whole thing of him being basically publicly cuckold by a younger man and his wife bringing them on Real Table Talk. And that was the If you do what you do, I mean like if they're cool with it. I'm cool with it But the way she brought him up there It was like will we had to do this special Facebook has big numbers on the table That's how I looked at it Like because you're not gonna take me on a red table talk and in the way She was smiling about August Alcina where he made her feel and that was her son's friend. Like I said wait

54:35 It's five shows I could have made on this. Just to let you know, Tiffany Haddish and Chris Rock does I wash God. I don't know use it Chuck So they take this stuff out at David Chappelle's farm It's like you say is so many rabbit holes like was this the new LSD wait a minute Okay, no, I'd like going there but this is good because I have some experience in this area mm-hmm I believe that, and I've only done DMT twice. And this is very interesting because I've been reading a lot about how smell influences people and can be an instant can take you somewhere in an instant if you close your eyes, you think remember what fresh grass smells like boom! You immediately have that picture somewhere you're smelling the fresh grass

55:37 I get that playing football. DMT, every fall... Well there you go! DMT, that's an interesting one Moe, I like that. Because i've never done ayahuasca so DMT you smoke and that smell, I guarantee if I smell that anywhere I can be transported right back to where I was when I did DMT If I did DMT a lot? I think it would possibly bring back Anything that I had experienced during, I've never had a bad DMT D trip. They're not they're not so they're not very typical DMT and this is so good DMT is one of the most because you know when you die You actually create DMT your body created it's part of how your passing process So this has been studied a lot and it would not surprise me

56:28 if you can put suggestive things into someone's brain and trigger them with a DMT recall. I'm just using terms... Hello! Now you're talking about talk? Yeah, no again this is why we're friends We would do this shit even if it weren't doing the show we'd talk about this yeah absolutely now your talking about talk because all these people in play all of sudden so they are doing this at Dave Chappelle ranch man yes Are you kidding me Man, cuz when we got to get through this show, but when Tiffany had his shave our hair off Chris Rock went on Ellen's show was like nah She was taking shrooms and drinking you're saying they called the mushroom tea. Yeah You know if it's cold were for ayahuasca or what? But you know yeah probably yeah So they were out there in there she come back shaved her head all Britney steer is a spear style

57:22 Like I said, a lot of them on camera. So which that's...I could have went down to Alopecia and say rabbit hole or what's going on here? Do we have to do a melange from Black Panther but what is all these bald people popping up all over the place but yeah so like i said it's so many But since were talking about black toxic masculinity I had to bring Mr Samuels in And I gotta say this is the first clip I ever played of his on our show But I've talked about sign language from him, you see his impact. But we talked about black Twitter last time the black quote-unquote Manosphere is the place where you get exiled to from black Twitter because like either thinking like they're more You know conservative thinking Independent non-democratic thinking

58:17 masculine center, you know it was kind of like I wouldn't want to put MGTOWER on it but it was like the red pill kind of ideology. It was the outcast this is so... This is The King Kevin Samuels and he talks about the Will Smith slap You got black women and black men co-signing this Black Men I want you to be clear If you are running out defending this bullshit you need your head checked Pounding your chest, jumping out of the window defending this Captain Saban kind of stuff ain't gonna get you any brownie points. What the fuck are we doing man? I am tired of no matter where a black man gets to We gotta assert ourselves physically or fucking! I reject that is our only way to affirm ourselves. I'm tired of that shit with black men for black men

59:17 No matter how you get, you can have a CEO. You can have Reginald Lewis. You can have Robert Smith and Byron Allen and Damon John and J Prince and Master P. And y'all expect that these dudes getting to a disagreement that they supposed to shoot the fairway? Man fuck that shit! We're supposed to fight it or fuck it out. No black men are not primitive. This is no 2001 A Space Odyssey We have other ways of expressing our discontent and displeasure with one another, other than fighting. I agree And anybody who supports this shit and says you four black men, for black men's betterment evolution improvement Black male media, black male image and you support this? I question your support Well guys clearly toxic male

1:00:12 Exactly. But that's why I always stress black YouTube, quote unquote is a far better spectrum of black thought compared to black Twitter because you get it you saying you get a wide variety in between the two poles whereas Black Twitter the algorithm is so constraint constraining that you only get the woke ideology So I wanted to bring that in. Now, what Kevin Sanders just said, I agree with a lot of it because it's like this is what I was saying about oh no... That's what Will Packer was saying Oh No! We're trying to re-image ourselves and not like that it's needed but what the mass media does is take a very small minority and make it the problem. I'll show this politically

1:01:11 Every time you hear a politician talk, it's like we gotta do something about crime and reform and this kind of thing. When you look at how many criminals there actually is compared to how many dudes are doing good? It's very... You know what I'm saying? There is huge disparity there but the way that memes are written is to make sure we stay on the bottom And I think this was, in my opinion when i first heard this happen. If it was staged to put us back on the bottom and in a subservient sacrificial mode that they want they capital they wants to keep us in well they in this case were the female producers of the show yeah i'm just saying i mean it was like it was a lot

1:02:01 pre-canned, even down to Pfizer and alopecia drugs. They ran with the whole alopecia thing they ran with the whole defending his honor her honor this is what we were supposed to do and the thing was this is two of the most quote unquote nonviolent or it's not violent seeming black men in America yeah that do this that's why I think if it was staged that was the purpose of it maybe on a surface level to get ratings but no, so to condemn the image of the black man. So and I'm just...I may be jumping ahead tell me if i need the goggles? I'll tell you if you need them. So we're already figuring out that Will Smith possibly had multiple reasons he felt he had to do this one of them being finance how about Rock? He seems to be doing okay

1:03:01 I don't think Chris Rock was in on it. That's the thing with... When we say staged, you can have something that is pre-planned Like, I know he's gonna say something to Jada or whatever else. I don't think Will Smith Chris Rock sat in a room was like hey this is the plan you know that kind of thing it was...I think Chris thought we were going to come up do something funny maybe grab my head give him a noogie You know what i'm saying? That kind of thing and like that so It was like alright imma go along with this you know what i'm saying He's a professional Did you notice how when he got slapped his hand never had that automatic to-the-face thing

1:03:40 Right, he actually put his hand behind the back if I remember correctly. Yeah! If someone hits you in the face...I think your first human response is to put a hand up to it like oh shit And that didn't happen. Maybe he didn't hit his face, like you said he hit the microphone so maybe Will sold it like all kind of smack him I know how to get a good sound out of it because that sound was very crucial to it as well they kept playing in the ads not in the ads excuse me but in the clips So yeah its just... thats my thing is just that

1:04:20 If staged, it wasn't for Will's benefit. It wasn't for Chris Rocks' benefit and I don't think both of them were in on it I think it could appear that way because Chris is a trained actor. He knows like, okay you're approaching me We're gonna do something physical You know that kind of thing even will kind of smile when he walked off yeah It wasn't anger well no no no what I saw I saw Will Smith playing a role walking back mm-hmm it would you know That's swagger. That's bad boys. That's men in black. That's Will Will Smith the actor Swagger? That's not Will Smith the person Right, and since we're talking about suggestive ideas being planted King Richard was known for being protective over Venus at Serena. Oh yeah. So could he be in the method acting role of channeling King Richard? 100%. You bet!

1:05:12 Okay, so we agreed on that. So you're still with me? Mm-hmm All right. So now we got to get into the drama behind will Jada and Chris Yeah Down to the timeline leading up to the Oscar slap Will and Chris go way back in first work together nearly 30 years ago Which one of you handsome men's is big Willie Oh In 1995, Chris was a guest star on The Fresh Prince playing Will's blind date Jasmine. I hear they have nude bitches! In 1999, Chris and Will reunited at the premiere of The Matrix. A lot of action can you fight?

1:05:54 I could fight in the movies very well out here in the street. No, who can kick whose butt? Everybody thinks he's apple pie do not get it twisted all right Just try to make sure my honey is taken care of Six years later in 2005 jada and chris were the ones cast together in madagascar let's not talk about that Okay, chris all right now The two appeared to be on good terms while doing press and even presented Will with a Kids' Choice Award. Chris Rock plays two roles. He plays kind of himself in a cameo, his guy's name Maurice something and Will's cousin Hillary is a daytime talk show host I believe and she wants to interview him an impress him And the deal was Will wants to work for Hillary In doing so he agrees to take out Chris Rock character's cousin

1:07:00 Jasmine who is Chris Rock in drag. The ultimate for a black man. But it goes further and you talk about MK Ultra, blonde wig ruby red lipstick like Marilyn Monroe and leopard skin dress I kid you not. So I was like, that's very interesting on the MK... Yes. Ultra. Yeah, on the MK ultra tip and then their past history between Jada and Chris we don't know what transpired on the set of Madagascar with them two working together so there is a lot

1:07:45 Lot of drama there, but I think we stopped it. Let's go ahead and go and listen to Chris Rock going on a date with Will. Promise me you'll be on your best behavior tonight? Hey, aren't I always! Will, I'm serious. It's really important that Maurice appear in my show. Everything has to go smoothly with his sister tonight. Really all kidding aside Hill, I know how much this means to you And it means a lot to me too. I'm not gonna let you down Okay Thank You May I present Miss Jasmine Perry Now which one of you handsome men is Big Willie? I'm ready to get my freak on. Looks like you already got it on

1:08:41 Listen, you wouldn't want to go someplace that was a little quieter? Maybe darker. You're a little ahead of me Big Willie but I'm game let's do this! You know what on second thought...I think this place will be just fine. Freak out! So that's them airing together and their history goes back further than that because Chris Rock presented Will Smith with his first Grammy. So they know each other, this is not just some random occurrence between the two. Now we can get back to more of the behind on Will, Jada and Chris. Then came 2016 when then host Chris skewered Jada for boycotting the Oscars. Jada says she's not coming

1:09:37 And throughout it all, Will and Jada always had each other's backs. in our union, in a way that's very different than most. No doubt their 24 year marriage is unconventional Jada calls Will her life partner not husband they have also faced rumors of having an open marriage you're getting divorced again am I and I don't have a ring on oh it must be true basically like oh he has open relationship that does not exactly the pact that we have made to one another is that

1:10:26 I will deliver myself to her happy and she will deliver herself, to me happy. Yeah... yeah these kinds of deals don't work out No! Cause somebody gonna make you woman smile like you can't make her smile and then your gonna be frowning So i mean that's what happened with the whole August Outsider thing but I dont wanna go down that road too far I want to talk more about what was said at the Oscars 2016 Just to foreshadow a little bit, that was the Oscar so white. Yes yeah the hashtag yep yes That put Chris in an awkward position for Jada to say and Will and Hashtag to say we're boycotting Oscars because it was like Chris you not gonna boycott with us? So now it makes him look like a sellout mm-hmm And I think he felt some kind of way like hey this is my big break

1:11:24 a big chance I mean like you know to host the Oscars is a big deal on your resume. Like it's checklist probably for comedians, you know? Yeah so he's like why y'all gonna do it when I'm hosting like can't they wait till next year or something now let's go back to him calling the cops if he calls the cops after doing this it really makes them look like the sellout Yeah, that was not a non starting option for him. He could not Will Smith taking out on cuffs? Because Chris Rock Porter Takashi 69 oh no that kid that cannot happen so Hold on yeah Takashi 6-9

1:12:08 Yeah, that's the rainbow-headed kid that snitched on all the rappers in New York. If you'd have done that... This would've been a ten times bigger story if that happened and I'm sure the people that were game is like when will he get arrested? That's even better. Like, yes! So that's why Chris was totally dismissive of the idea because he knew how it would be played so I think it is well-played by him staying quiet and let the media talk for him and let the public talk for him. Let's go ahead...I have the clip where Jada comes out and she speaks on The Oscar so white

1:12:48 I think she was employed to do it, but we'll get there later With this hashtag that was going around. But this is her speaking on the 2016 Oscars Martin Luther King's birthday Martin Luther King remember that triggered like that's Today is Martin Luther King's birthday And I can't help but ask the question, is it time that people of color recognize how much power influence that we have amassed? That we no longer need to ask to be invited anywhere. I asked the question have we now come to a new time and place where we recognize that

1:13:48 for the love, acknowledgement or respect of any group. That maybe it's time that we recognize that if we love and respect and acknowledge ourselves in the way in which we are asking others to do, then that is a place of true power I'm simply asking the question Here's what I believe The Academy has the right to acknowledge whomever they choose to invite whomever they choose. And now I think that is our responsibility now, to make the change." Hmm... Okay? So people say she did this because Will didn't get nominated for his role in Concussion, I think it was called. The NFL movie about CTE. Yeah. So that's why they say she did this

1:14:55 But as we talked about before the same people did Oscar so white April rain and we're gonna get to her momentarily. Yeah Yes, she was the same one behind She will rise the hashtag that you're saying popularize. Well this is her actual job. She's her job is a media strategist This is what she does for living right? She's a mean master is what I mean. That's what it's all about and These people have a lot of influence. I have to ask the question, did she get Jada? Was she co-opted into it like hey we need a face for this um Jada can you go out and push this because as we're gonna hear a little bit later i don't think Will was fully on board with her tactics

1:15:48 It's a house divided over in the sand. They're not on the same page on a lot of things. No, no, alright part two of this? Yes please Maybe it is time that we pull back our resources and we put them back into our communities, into our programs. And we make programs for ourselves that acknowledge us in ways that we see fit, that are just as good as the so-called mainstream ones. I don't know. Here's what I do know. Begging for acknowledgement or even asking

1:16:31 diminishes dignity and diminishes power. And we are a dignified people, and we are powerful. Let's not forget it so let's let the Academy do them with all grace in love and less to us differently I got nothing below hey Chris I will not be at the Academy Awards and I won't be watching But I can't think of a better man to do the job at hand this year than you, my friend. Good luck and to the rest of you nothing but love always." That was shade at the end! Yeah that's true. Listen how she phrased that again she didn't say

1:17:22 Oh, you know you deserve this. You earned it and I understand your decision." No she said, "'I don't think there's a better man for the job.'" Right! That could be taken... How I heard that is not like as a compliment. It was like- No no it was like you're hanging out your Oreo cookie Can we hear that one more time? Then she go on to say, and then the love to everyone else. Like no love for you Chris I mean this maybe I'm reaching space jam reaching. Let's listen again. Hey Chris, I will not be at the Academy Awards and I won't be watching but I can think of a better man to do the job at hand this year than you my friend good luck into the rest of you

1:18:07 Yeah, no I think it could be interpreted multiple ways and that's why it was constructed that way No better man to do the job at hand and then you just went on for three minutes talking about how the Oscars are so white That, I'm just telling maybe. I'm reaching but i don't think so and I think that's why Chris came out was like you weren't invited anyway you're not even in movies You know what im saying? Like because that's the shade Yes absolutely

1:18:45 Hence, I can see her in limo or ride no wheel. This is Jada. I swear if Chris Rock say anything about me... Oh yeah! That's it that's it anything yep. And thats why he went off cut like oh yeah GI James but did we set the wheel off? I don't know but its clear from these next clips Will wasn't really on board with what Jada was doing, but he had to go and put out the firestorm. Let's get right out to Robin she's got that exclusive interview with Will Smith in LA. Hey Robin! All right George and all will Smith one of the actors who many feel should have been nominated for his performance in Concussion yeah he hoped to receive a nomination many actors hope to hear their name called nomination morning but will smith says

1:19:37 He's even more concerned about what he sees as a serious issue that goes far beyond the film industry. Is Hollywood like you expected it to be and you dreamed of it? As a kid, the beauty of Hollywood in combined with American ideals is the ultimate dreams for humanity. The basis of the American concept of anything is possible with hard work and dedication, no matter your race or your religion, creed none of that matters in America. The way you describe it... Can you stop where I said you? Of course!

1:20:31 I hate to do this, but do you hear how Will is talking? Does it sound like the Will that we know? No. Not at all. At all! It's...I only say this just to point out out of all these clips were gonna listen too he sounds different in every one and i don't know if his there is the roles he's playing CPN or what but listen to them way he articulates his words its very strange Work and dedication and no matter your race or your religion creed none None of that matters in America the way you Describe it And for everyone their American dream is different. It's not all the same, and they want to see that reflected

1:21:20 in film. Absolutely and I think that is part of the conversation that's going on right now, people raising their hand and saying hey i'm not seeing myself being recognized by the academy. And this would got the ball rolling for the 94th Academy this is where we're at now? This started in 2016 yeah You gonna say something? Well, no I'm jumping ahead. I'm looking at April rain and...I know it's coming so i'm just looking at some players trying to find you know curry cash check is not very easy So I'm just getting ready for ya And like I said It might not even be about money at this point its about clout and if you look at it well let's continue on but as

1:22:16 seen the 94 Academy Awards was a perfect example of black people opening the door and holding the door for everybody else to get it going. And that's why I pointed out Amy Schumer. That's why we have all these damn Korean movies winning Moe? Right! So, we open the door and then Amy comes in she's like what about Zorlinko, what's his name? Zelinsky. Zelinsky yeah that guy too. Zelinski and the Ukrainians while we're here black people let's talk about them it's like hold on I thought this was the black

1:22:54 Oscars and then you look at it's like two-and-a-half women as the host so you know saying they got on one decides You're saying representing the gays. I say that black, you know We gotta get her out. Oh, we have a feminist representative or Amy Schumer. It was like Hold on, we can't get a black man? You got Will Packer behind the scenes. Shut up! You know what I'm saying like... Hey you got Denzel hanging out in the front isn't that enough for ya? Yeah and then Tyler Perry was there so it's like okay we'll give Will an award

1:23:32 I'm sure they picked up the phone. And now, i'm doing a lot of speculating here but i'm sure they picked up the bullae phone like hey Serena you know that movie about your dad? Yes yes The 94th might be the great year to drop it You know what im saying we it's the black oscars we in baby! You know what im saying and then she gets willed to do it and all this is not happening In silos This is a lot of phone calls and yeah, we got we secured the bag for your sand for 94. But it started rolling here with Abel rain and you know what I'm so giddy let's just go ahead jump straight to 17 We brought her up so much Okay

1:24:13 If you're throwing a party and you want everybody to come, equity is ensuring that there are different price points. Diversity is inviting everybody. Inclusion is actually asking people to dance once they're at the party I'm April Rainn and this is A Word Why Diversity Is Not Enough One fateful morning on January 2015, I was watching the Oscar nominations on TV. Category after category best actor best actress best supporting actor best supporting actress there were no people of color nominated in 2015 and this is the year they gave us Selma? I took to Twitter and i said one thing Oscars so white they asked you touch my hair initially it was

1:25:01 Kind of remind people Selma was produced on directed by auntie DuVernay, okay? So I'm just saying, that was a slap in the face. Like it's not... Sam was not even nominated? Auntie DuVernay who is Oprah's pupil? Oh! Ooh! I wanna just put that out there what going on here We're gonna go back to Wheel of Firestorm but I thought this is an on-the-fly shift of clips you know so we can continue on. I took to Twitter and I said one thing Oscar's so white they asked to touch my hair

1:25:41 Initially, it was just as snarky and sarcastic as I meant it to be. And so that's what we were seeing with all of the responses. You know, Oscar Stillwhite, they wear Birkenstocks in the wintertime. Oscar Stillwhite, they have a perfect credit score right? It wasn't until a couple days later when I realized that people were still having this conversation and that we needed to talk about the distinctions between diversity and inclusion, equity and representation. And in fact that this was bigger than just The Academy, just The Oscars, just the movie industry So I created Oscar So Why in January of 2015 In 2016 the nominations came out and again there were no people of color in any of the acting categories One time is a fluke

1:26:26 two times is a pattern. And I think it was in 2016 when Oscar So White truly took off because people realized, oh okay there is actually something here and it wasn't 2016 that the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences they made substantive changes 2016, what happened in 2016? Gee was there a presidential election or something? Was there something that could have added to this? 45 Savage he created a whole industry of diversity inclusion and equity as I call it D.I.E., ummm... I know it's D-E-I but I like the other way better

1:27:07 Yeah, so he created a whole... like you heard her say this is bigger than the Oscars. This was a huge windfall of cash corporate cash Yes and let me tell you okay? So there you go that's where I wanted you to get to Corporate cash so April rain Was reached after she created the Oscar so white according to the Wikipedia page Cheryl Boone Isaacs a woman of color, who was the president of the academy. She reached out, first released a statement and reached out to the timelines. A little weird with what she said that the Academy would quote take dramatic steps to alter the makeup of our membership and as a result The Academy voted unanimously on January 21st 2016 To make a variety of changes to its membership in governance policies with the goal of doubling the number of women and underrepresented groups by 2020 Hello! There's nothing to do with white

1:28:12 Has nothing to do with black. What you mean? Read that again! That's my point, is like Oscar so white well this is not... This is oh yeah okay we're saying the same thing Not a single thing about black but then as the hashtag was created April rain catches some fire and she gets outreach according to her Wikipedia I can actually read it to you She says that Overture Global reached out to her and said, hey let's make a content deal. Now Overture Global I really have no idea what they are because there is a lot of impressive people on the board

1:28:59 Like, you know from the business and from politics. They are not a non-profit or at least they don't have any information about it but if we look at About Overture Global I'll just read it to you. Overture Global is a media platform and thought leadership community built to inspire those working across boundaries industries disciplines and generations Overture focuses on the intersection of innovation and our culture of change by curating conversations for young digital connected audience via content, online print video and live events. And perhaps this is where the money comes from its members and sponsors include Facebook Google

1:29:45 Spotify, the World Bank, The Nature Conservancy International Rescue Committee US State Department, the British State Department and Johnson & Johnson. So you're right! Big money, big money went into this. Because these huge corporations as you always talk about I call it the corporate credit score but they saw the hand writing on the wall and like we got to write a check to somebody. Gotta get yep and that this was it? This was a check It doesn't matter to who, we got a... I've saw this now and i'm free to speak of it. I saw in my former corporation I worked for you saw all these quote-unquote black women being brought into HR as the DIE specialists and they created these new executive roles And they were so disgusting because what people don't know how the sausage is made? I was in these rooms

1:30:44 They would basically have black people come up there and tell how they were being, how they experienced racism. And I was like a very sadomasochist kind of vibe? Like... Wait a minute, wait a minute! Yeah So this is a room with all kinds of employees? Yes. Except then you had to bring out the non-whites, let's just put it that way and you'd stand up and say here's how I experience racism in the workplace? Yes! And then they had different groups because every employee had to go to one group They have the elderly They had disabled They had LGBTQ Then they had black And the funny thing was

1:31:27 Last time I checked, I thought Indians and Asians were minorities too but they didn't have no empowerment group. So i'm like whoa whoa whoa you lumping us in with the disabled folks! You're saying oh the feeble and not know a disrespect but i'm just saying like And when they would have you sit up there, and you had to say...and I would listen. This was during COVID so I mean I was in the Zoom rooms and I never had my camera on at work either So don't feel like even at work I didn't have no camera. I'm like man I aint wearing no camera. Man I aint putting no camera but it was like I will listen people come up there's very like I said this

1:32:05 I don't know, you know what I'm saying? What's it say on MasterKidsVlog of oh and people are like oh you're so strong. And i'm like are you kidding me! Like I would no way in the world I would get up here in front of a bunch of people and like want to be asked her words be asked to dance That's the thing, like you know tell us your vi- and that's what they brought in with them. But I know this is a long Shaggy Doll story but the funny thing was like every month they were all we're gonna do this for this group The Blackthall, you know black history month and then when it got to other groups it was like oh yeah we're donating money

1:32:46 Gold is fun or whatever and I'm like, hold on the black people didn't get nothing. Like we got what like a Special lunch Oscar so Oscar so white went to women and other minorities is fantastic Look at look at the representation that was from the host that would Who did you have? You had the black woman yet older gay black woman Rhonda Sykes in the feminist That's who that's that's who was up there And you heard of all of them all over who's really making demands. We need, you're saying we need Ukraine to be represented? Ukraine?! The Nazis?? Like I mean at Black Oscars??? What are we doing here?" But that's the way it went but let's see...I think we stopped there Let's get back to Miss April Rain part two In 2016 the Academy committed to doubling the number of people of color and doubling the number of women within its ranks by 2020

1:33:42 Stop. Remember, I just gotta warn people. We talked about black exploitation films and rioting in the theaters and Melvin Van Peebles is like 127 years old. So no disrespect but when he dies who you think gonna get his spot? It's like Ruth Bader Ginsburg you know what i'm saying it's like let's put the ol' black guy in there for representation but we know... He ain't gonna be around here long then we'll just replace him

1:34:31 Yeah, I just wanted to stop. This is... this is all- this is- this! I had not expected it. I did not expect this. This is deep and this is good. You know what? The entire world was distracted and obsessed with this for a full week at minimum two weeks and of course there's still a long tale of it has broached any of this these angles of what happened here. Not a single person, not a single show not a single network nobody! This is I just wanted to point that out and congratulate you on this fantastic work. I appreciate it okay we continue

1:35:16 Peebles, who was the godfather of black exploitation films neither of whom had been in the Academy before makes a difference because that means they're going to be viewing films through their lens through the lens of a marginalized person. There is really not an industry in the United States that is not affected by the lack of inclusion of marginalized communities. So while I didn't have a goal initially, it became really clear to me that we needed to continue these conversations in every single field not just in entertainment and so I'm attempting to take that on and continue discussing issues of diversity and inclusion and equity and representation

1:36:00 Both the terms diversity and inclusion are overused. It's sort of a catch-all, and people really don't think about what the distinctions are. So when we see that particular corporations or organizations have diversity initiatives, what does that mean truly? They're going to put more people of color in their ads or in their magazines or shilling their product. And yet when you look at their boardrooms, when you look at the C-suite, when you look at the higher level employees within the organization they look incredibly homogenous When someone says, oh yeah we're very diverse you know we've been very intentional about what we're doing. Ask the question, what is the percentage of people of color? What is the percentage of disabled folks? All right stop just stop! Stop I need to give you some more information on April Rain so April rain started a new studio with this global outfit

1:37:00 And what they started is Ensemble Studio. The F, Ensemble Studio it's all in the show notes Ensemble Studio. What is Ensemble Studio? Well, first of all, Ensemble Studio creates opportunities from challenges helps brands evolve and reach new audiences and tries to make a positive difference to the world we take our clients creativity to new heights and enable each one to speak with the voice that's truly uniquely theirs so she went on to create content

1:37:38 And this Ensemble Studio, it's all on the website is part of Fleischmann Hillard a huge advertising company. So it's subsidiary and they I'm reading right here International Agency 2320 specialists across 48 offices 31 countries 20 languages 11 time zones Firm services include corporate and financial PR, employment engagement crisis and issues management domestic and international affairs media relations opinion research analytics Fleischman Hillert equips Ensemble Studio with insight and knowledge that informs and drives every piece of work blah blah blah Okay So now so the Fleischmann Hillert now we go back to that's who we are on their website. What do we do? Well

1:38:25 Our approach is built on collaboration, expert insight. Ensemble Studio brings creativity to brand and corporate communications. Nicely done April Rain! What are some of your clients? Showcase & Clients Let's see... The Future Starts Today 5G AT&T Bayer Johnson & Johnson Virgin Money Financial Fraud Action UK Tyson Krupp Coffee People I mean, so they went from... oh my god Barkley Santander Olympus Phillips Novartis These are the people who create native ads Twitter black Twitter campaigns anything to push products agendas BLM ESG DIE LMNOP this is evil shit

1:39:20 These are propagandists. To get that score up, the score you always talk about how much money did you spend? That's right! So April Rain is no friend to black Americans she's a corporate whore I went to one of these trainings see it's a lot of stuff i couldn't talk about before McKenzie had one called the Black Leadership Academy Experience. Ooh, experience! Oh yeah and the thing was it was so artificial a lot of people I know didn't want to partake in it that HR was contacting black people that's how I got into it they're like oh you're black? How would you like to be uh... the black leadership? Excuse me Mr Mo we have it on good authority You are a black employee is this correct

1:40:12 We need to put you in the leadership group experience Mr. Black employee The day, the cutoff they were contacting people how would like join? How would you like to join I'm like this be great for content yeah sign me up Good man, good man. So I signed up for it but i don't understand how giving me more work is going to help me do my job? For the life of me! But they had to get the cash and spend money. They need ESG score because this is what's so interesting you know Elon Musk is normalizing ESG

1:40:52 He's normalizing it by saying, oh boohoo I create all these great cars but i get kicked out of the S&P 500 ESG list because you know racism in the workplace. So we're not even asking about the fact that there's a crazy ass score that determines if companies are investable no we're already down to level up well that's fucked up Elon you deserve better You see it's normalizing, it's normalizing. Yeah that's man I'm trying but this is the thing like I said I lived this I know and I couldn't talk about it before but you know how was the experience? Was it fun? It was basically a set of

1:41:32 They were like, it was basically like a uh they write up these quizzes. Like hey you want to be a leader this is what you gotta do and I'm like bro i've been a leader in my job for how many years? I mean like what are you telling me? It's about access at this point and then they'll link you up with one of the executives in the company and you send them IM and he didn't respond... You know that kind of thing. Racist! Right, it was like I'll volunteer but you will never respond. And I was like okay, I see what this is But I knew what it was going into and it's all about the George. This is doing George Floyd Pete George Floyd Yeah So they were trying to get there in a send the ESG score up In the way they did It was how much money we spent how many employees got in that's when the coca-cola leaks was going on and this is no This is what you put in your corporate report

1:42:23 You do it every single year and you show your D.I.E., everyone has it now, everyone has to have this and yes you're right! It comes down to the money that's the score how much money in proportion to your revenues and profits did you spend on this? We could be multi-millionaires You and I just going out and role-playing this shit for companies. We'd have a good time too, we'd have a good time man! Hey i'll be the racist white guy let's... This is how not to do it kids That that's the thing but the problem is they're in an echo chamber

1:43:04 Honestly, I think these companies are benign either way. It's like how do we make money? Oh it's the ESG score okay that's gonna raise our profit. I gotta say one other thing you may have discussed this when Tina was at Ronald McDonald house I think what no was it they think it was and so I'm speaking out of turn here so I'm just saying Because I would she would have to speak to her experience but in general when she came home from one of these die It was like two days. She was very impressed because She learned about a lot of things, she didn't know and She just felt it was it was really it made quite an impression on her of things she never thought about

1:43:54 Now, this is before Mo Fax. So you know she's and she and I both talked about how many things we never thought about that it's like it's enormous but it's not the things that the DIAE was teaching you. You understand what I'm saying? It's a homogenous catch-all. It's not tailored to each individual group. The DIE thing is, hey you know I have a masters degree but yet I couldn't get a job and this that... Is it that level kind of? Maybe a little bit more in the corporate environment in the environment itself

1:44:35 And to me it was kind of trauma-based learning, not really... Yes. Hello? That's why Pete George Floyd there was like put in the overdrive you know that kind of thing and it was these are the books you need to read that's when white virginity came up Yeah yeah but I'm saying It's completely the, okay I guess what i'm saying is there's so much validity to learning and understanding about your fellow countrymen that does not have to be in a corporate setting and a black white issue. You know go out to a bar have a drink with somebody talk openly. That you can't do that if I say it maybe the word maybe not homogenous but well that's the correct word in the sense of it had to fit

1:45:23 They weren't creative. They were like, okay this is the plight of maybe gay people in a corporate society This is the plight of black people in a corporate setting... not society, setting. This is the plight of disabled people No it was like let's create one lesson plan! Like what's your disability? Oh you have a vagina? Okay check Oh, what's your disability? Oh you have melanated skin. I see! What's your disability?! Aw yeah, ya getting old huh?" Okay that was- and it's like okay now we have a catch all for everything instead of being specific to each topic where there are opportunities for the learn but the problem was...I'm telling you where the D.I.E went off the rails at when they turned on their white sisters See they got in these rooms and it was like

1:46:09 Yeah, yeah this is my issue but then the intersectionality thing came up. It's like how many Girl Scout badges did you have? How many... Oh but you had white skin so you had to shut up. You understand when the brown and black women are talking right and that's what kind of created a vibe in Virginia you start seeing it play out at town halls and school board meetings because these people would go to work all day before since you got to go You had to go, or with respect you're... Yeah mandatory. And then you were told how bad you are that's- you can't force people to give you that hug or their words to dance. It was like

1:46:50 If you can have a meaningful conversation with somebody, go for it. But you can't hold people hostage in the room and tell them how bad they are and think they're going to accept it You can but those people will be like messed up And that's why people were kind of scared to say what they wanted to say Now with all that said now we got to go back to the firestorm because now We've laid out all the corporate cash as you do cash check and now what do they need? They needed, this is my speculation. They needed a front woman Jada. The Academy is under pressure as more stars speak out about the lack of diversity in this year's Oscar nominations including Will's wife Jada Pinkett Smith Let's let the Academy do them with all grace and love And let's do us

1:47:39 Your beautiful wife, Jada. So passionate and so powerful in letting the world know her thoughts about the lack of diversity in Hollywood with her posting and has been seen by millions were you aware that she was going to do that? No I was out of the country at the time And I came home What was your first reaction? Was it a fist pump or was it like oh, she's deeply passionate and when she is moved she has to go and I heard her words and I was Knocked over. You know, I was happy to be married to that woman but I appreciated the push of

1:48:32 There is a position that we hold in this community and if we're not apart of the solution, were part of the problem. And it was her call to action for herself and for me and our family to be apart of the solution. She's... He doesn't even know! No When she's moved. When she's moved, so Oscar is so white this is just my speculation on how if it was a hoax for you folks out there like I've covered if it was real and they're saying that no emotional we touched on here maybe with the mother response or whatever but if it was a hoax who could call that shot? Who has enough clout

1:49:22 Now we have an interesting person to come up with this. Oh boy, oh boy! Okay... So now we gotta go OG Boule Quincy Jones. Oh no not Q! It's like running through hell with gasoline underwear on. No it's amazing I was on the board of the academy with the music branch for years and so forth. Again, familiarity helps you go through things but just the way it's designed... You can't yell at anybody because you're not paying anybody outside your staff

1:50:04 And so the stars should not, you know. So again just rounding the stars up and trying to keep everybody there so that they go through till the end because a lot of things happen, you know? The ego things happen... I don't want to be with so-and-so... You know, I don't want him to give me the award! It's insane but you get to see everybody the day before you shoot That's it You think there's three weeks of rehearsal before? No way, buddy. The day before you do the show... ...you have all these people with 15 minutes apiece to come in and talk about what their script is about. If they want to change this or fix that and everything else. And just really see each other. Most are people you know already anyway. Never stops. Two minutes before Chris Reeve goes out...

1:50:58 Christopher Reeves goes on, he says he does not want to use the Superman theme now. Okay? You know how many people you have to notify to get that theme out. Forget the musical director, you gotta get everybody. Cameras and everybody... And there's thousands of things like that happen. The best part is the show. The important part is figuring out what you can put your fingerprints on. The other stuff is fixed, it's given. Where can you touch it? And then there's the serendipity that just totally, the moments that happen with Christopher Reeves or Paul Salvino watching his daughter get the Oscar. You know, emotional moments and you just have to let it happen, ya know? So Quincy Jones produced 1996 Oscars. 20 years later Oscar Saul White comes up

1:52:04 Yes, so it's not like I mean he's been in wheels Packer shoes is why brought him into that but he plays a bigger role as well But like you said you only for the people out there So always staged and no that kind of thing is like this grand. I think it's a disservice People do when they say things like things are staged and they think every tidbit action is staged, like even in sports people are like oh look at the score it was 102 to 103. Like no no that's not how it works when you rig a game I mean it's not down to every shot this just like we have our goal and you hear Quincy Jones said they only go through this thing one day before that's it right the day before then they come back the next day and then they do a shoot

1:52:53 So, that gives a lot of opportunity for people with agendas. to a lot of freedom to move about without it being this grand conspiracy of 100 people like the cameraman was in on it. There was tape on the floor, you know what I'm saying? He stood on his spot like no calm down don't go that far because that's how you lose people when you go that far and it's just like is there motive there yeah there's motive Is an opportunity here yeah but not when you go like oh everything's orchestrated that kind you kind of lose the script Well, and that's the danger of conspiracy theories. And that's why people need conspiracy therapists. And analysts! So... That's what I do. I analyze this conspiracy. I heard them all. The Pfizer was up to it. They pushed their new alopecia drug. It's a lot of smoke but they were talking about it six years ago so who knows?

1:53:48 This somebody in the fourth by the boy get a name get out and get a meme going for us You know to get our name out there in this circle probably I mean they were in on it. No, the whole scheme Well what you hear when you heard Quincy saying that I mean this is the guy he's a producer who really understands The final product that's what I like about what he was saying, you know He's like, you know here's heres the magic that makes things happen good bad or indifferent And I like the perspective that he's in Oscar circles. See, because there is... As we're starting to see

1:54:26 There's, everybody wants to say oh the blacks or the gays. There is different groups inside these subcategories that don't agree like you have a Quincy Jones and Chris Rock and Whitney Goldberg she was very supportive of Chris Rock when he did the 2016 so it's different groups So we gotta remember that So Quincy Jones had a different mindset other than boycotting anything you want to say before we play the next clip? No, I'm ready for him. All right This is here on him on why boycotting won't solve diversity

1:55:04 What do you make of people saying we should boycott this year's Oscars? Boycott doesn't do anything. It doesn't accomplish anything, man. It is a confrontation but it has no solution I don't believe in that All my life i've wanted to make a problem and turn it into a puzzle I can solve puzzles Oscar so later we'll let you know later. Yeah, it's complex man very complex were you surprised to be on the executive committee of one at first I was the first black on the executive committee We changed all the rules for the song category and allowed The Beatles to win for Let It Be for Isaac Hayes with shaft Apprentice with Purple Rain And did you ever think they asked who would go to three visits six mafia put its heart out here for a pimp please? Yes

1:55:52 Please! Yeah, alright. So you see he didn't have much to say about the Oscar so white situation but the time came and now Chris Rock goes up for the- still in 2016 just to keep people where we're at right now and he goes out and calls her out on the monologue I'm here at the Academy Awards, otherwise known as the White People's Choice Awards. Chris Rock tackled diversity head on during his opening monologue at the Oscars delivering jokes that were both hilarious and poignant like this one where he called out Jada Pinkett Smith for boycotting the show. Is she on a TV show?

1:56:43 Jada boycotting the Oscars is like me boycotting Rihanna's panties. I wasn't invited! Jada's mad her man Will was not nominated for Concussion, I get it, I get it, tell you truth, I get it, I get it You're getting mad that it's not fair that Will was this good and didn't get nominated Yeah, yeah right It's also not fair that Will was paid 20 million for Wild Wild West okay? The comedian kept things mostly light-hearted but ended on a serious note, offering his perspective on the Oscar so white controversy. So it's not about boycott anything it's just we want opportunity what black actors to get the same opportunities

1:55:52 Please! Yeah, alright. So you see he didn't have much to say about the Oscar so white situation but the time came and now Chris Rock goes up for the- still in 2016 just to keep people where we're at right now and he goes out and calls her out on the monologue I'm here at the Academy Awards, otherwise known as the White People's Choice Awards. Chris Rock tackled diversity head on during his opening monologue at the Oscars delivering jokes that were both hilarious and poignant like this one where he called out Jada Pinkett Smith for boycotting the show. Is she on a TV show?

1:56:43 Jada boycotting the Oscars is like me boycotting Rihanna's panties. I wasn't invited! Jada's mad her man Will was not nominated for Concussion, I get it, I get it, tell you truth, I get it, I get it You're getting mad that it's not fair that Will was this good and didn't get nominated Yeah, yeah right It's also not fair that Will was paid 20 million for Wild Wild West okay? The comedian kept things mostly light-hearted but ended on a serious note, offering his perspective on the Oscar so white controversy. So it's not about boycott anything it's just we want opportunity what black actors to get the same opportunities

1:57:34 Immediately following the monologue stars praised rock on social media including Amy Schumer Oprah and Ellen DeGeneres Hello nice crew We stand a mix like I start looking at her differently She's in the mix because she playing both sides notice with the monologue. She's all never Chris and Then she gets in with the Oscar So White crowd or let me ask this question before we get into the donation segment. Was the 94 Oscars, the result of the Oscar so white? Or the solution to solve Oscar's so white dealing with Quincy Jones and his crew I would say that it's a follow on from Quincy. That's what would make sense to me

1:58:29 Right, who do we know? Who do we trust?" Alright let's get Quincy in. He'll get Will Packer... But also Quincy has an intimate very long-standing relationship with Will We're gonna get there. Oh, we're he produced fresh Prince of Bel-Air keep intimate I can't watch anymore it's too much Okay Okay. Let's thank some people First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feeling of the white men Then they can bring the issues that are under their rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach To get the problem solved That's the only way but they'll never do it

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2:12:17 Like I said, these are the good guys at Hollywood. These are those...these are the guys that aren't celebrity-I mean like black celebrities like okay those are the quote unquote you know acceptable family friendly yeah these are nice black men your white daughter can come home with Yeah. I'm serious, these are the non-threatening black men of Hollywood that's how they're viewed And that why i think and I think that's why if it was played out like I think it was played out They're the perfect two to show there is no good ones You know? It's like let me lay something out here Wow yeah That's sad Cause I wanna lay this out How If it ever becomes popular not to buy on with a wokeism

2:13:05 that they try to force down our throat with black Twitter, with D.I.E., with all this woke agenda and Black men are truly representative as the more conservative people that we are not politically I'm talking about socially and we also want to celebrate our individual identity uh and not be told to shut up and just stay at the bottom That interrupts a whole agenda That opens it up to right now, you even hear everybody else all the Hispanics are going to that 70-30 40 60 split voting. The black block is the only block the Democrats can count on

2:13:52 And if that ever gets to, we saw what Trump you know he doubled for 2016 and 2020 in black women and black men that voted for him. Like I said you know why stand on voting? I don't vote but the reason i'm saying this is do you think this slap won't impact the image? This is something Kevin Sanders just to bring them up once more time was all about our racial image And that's what pissed off a lot of people about him because it was like, no we won't be your sacrificial land. We won't be the bottom You know as he said in the clip I played to him It's this brute thing they want to have with us Like me mad you know saying like and to take two good guys like this and play that out on an international stage

2:14:39 It kind of took a little bit of the wind out of the sails, of the movement of black male independence. Question! So now we come back to what I said earlier... it's taken it out for you for yourselves but perhaps not so much to the rest of the world. I know it's much deeper than that, you and i know much better but to superficial people who just kind of like eh...I don't know if they feel uh like black men are any worse than they might have thought or not thought this is important intra community this is important this is very important intra

2:15:19 the quote-unquote community because it's like this is your leadership, like this is who you want to follow. You know that's the whole point of it was Because this thing might not bleed over the all the intricate details didn't bleed over the timeline. Mm-hmm At all at all know that this is why I'm bringing it up because you know, right? All these things almost seem self imposed but I understand what you're saying now This helps a lot right because this is get some back on the booty to the poles The brute mentality and that's why Kevin Sam was so savage About the way he came at it, and I felt the same way because it's like oh this is to destabilize the image

2:16:02 of black men, the way it played out. But now we gotta go and look at a background of these two men which I don't think many people talked about and this is Chris Rock before the Oscars Chris Rock opened up about his childhood trauma he experienced Sunday night's Oscar assault is still very much in evolving topic And people are focusing on a podcast from back in January where Chris rock recounted how violent incident from his childhood impacted him later in life Take a look In my childhood, I was bullied ridiculously. Half of the bullying is because I was just a little guy and then I got bused to school so I got...I was a little guy and I was black One day a guy really disrespected me really bad like mushed me at a party And I went home, I put up brick in a book bag and smacked this guy on the face with this brick and then stomped him Joe Pesci style

2:16:56 Now, to the point we thought he might die. As my shrink puts it to me you have been scared to be angry ever since so the guy you saw was bending over backwards to be nice that I was so scared of man You know, and the question is did the incident have anything to do with the way he handled things at the Oscars or was he being the adult in the room? I think both things are true. And I want to ask people why you think he would have indulged in a brawl on a stage in front of three billion people? Why wouldn't he be the adult?

2:17:34 I keep hearing that and people keep saying people are gonna you know think of black people the wrong way well Let me tell you they should be looking at us saying oh, okay? Yes He didn't indulge he didn't there's nothing wrong with what he did so there's no reason for anybody to have any issue With black people. You have an issue with Will Smith And what he did yeah, he doesn't represent every black person on the planet stop doing that Wow, so whoopie just putting it out there if in case it hadn't traumatized you about black men. Here's something to not think about Right, that's horrible. I don't think she intentionally done that because she's on the remember She was supportive of Chris Rock and doing Oscars I know but but she brought something up that her predominantly white audience wasn't even thinking about this is my point So you're saying Don't talk about what? No What i'm saying is she

2:18:38 propagating the trauma interracially. I don't understand why, because people are looking at two actors their audience looked at actors their audience weren't thinking about that now they are Right, that's what I said. Don't think about what i'm telling you yes yeah so and that's like it's not when people say I got something to tell you but I'll tell you later Yeah exactly Just tell me no no I'll tell you later when I got time like that's a very manipulative-I didn't look at it That way that's very interesting uh I was let me tell you how I heard it because I like doing this When we hear something here too yeah of course I was hearing her say

2:19:21 Like, all black people don't think this way of it's okay to go up on the stage and smack somebody or get into a brawl with people that you were hearing from Tiffany Haddish. You know what I'm saying? The violence is not okay. Let's listen to it again. Okay It's worth it. I like that we-I love when we hear things differently That's what makes it so beautiful Let's do it again Sunday night's Oscar assault is still very much an evolving topic and people are focusing on a podcast from back in January Where Chris Rock recounted how a violent incident from his childhood impacted him later in life. Take a look Okay, so this makes sense right now? This is this is actually great information This is just as you know Everyone has trauma and I'll skip past the part of him retelling the whole story

2:20:05 But this is good. I mean, that's an interesting topic that she's bringing up so okay This is why Chris Rock may not have fought back It's because this is his individual trauma that he actually went to a psychiatrist for was bending over backwards to be you know and the question is did the incident have anything to do with the way he handled things at the Oscars or was he being the adult in the room I think both things are true and i want to ask people why you think he would have indulged in a brawl on a stage in front of three billion people why wouldn't he be the adult

2:20:43 I keep hearing that and people keep saying people are gonna you know, think of black people the wrong way Well, let me tell you no not people black people. All right That's that's that's the thing right there Yeah And and also understand the view is highly scripted This was premeditated that she said this point taken so I mean just it just goes to show you that that racial image is always Being thought about to say, okay. We don't want to be seen like you know saying brutes or whatever Hey Welcome to my club brother

2:21:22 What's that? My club is everything a white man says has to you have to filter it. Is this racist? I'm saying am i saying something, Am I out of character? Am I saying something that's wrong? Am I going to hurt someone's feelings? I'm not putting me above you no no there's no saying it's different filters. Of course! This is what brought us together because it's different filtering mechanism but the fact that the filters there yeah you know go back one minute when even win I was the lady from on the tall lady with a short hair on Good Morning America after I get her name. Robin? Robin, when she started to talk about Jada she was like you're beautiful wife isn't she amazing like she had to even when it's talking about one of her sisters she had to lay it on thick before criticizing there is different filters for everybody and what we do here is that have an honest conversation I don't worry about you being offended You don't worry about me being offended And its really

2:22:24 a rare space because everywhere else you have to think about it even if we even if you go on perceive what you thought about yeah before thinking the fact that you had to think it that's the real mind control yes exactly all right so yeah so now I want to get into a little bit deeper of the abuse that Chris Rock experienced It's just a horrible existence. The closest character I can relate to is Tim Robbins in the Shawshank. Every day was hell, I was a nigga and i got fucking my ass beat and I got physically fucked up and sometimes some sexual shit happened and yeah like it wasn't rape but rapish

2:23:17 Okay. I found that to be like, I need a follow up question. Rape-ish? Rape-ish! So... and Go back when Chris when he said when he says that I heard banjos playing for some reason. I don't know But nobody asked a follow-up no, of course not that would be journalism stop but and also nobody care if nobody cares It's the shows I'm gonna start having to talk about and some topics I wanna talk about. Nobody cares about black man abuse!

2:24:02 Nobody. I mean like we're as a demographic, we're one of the most abused people look at prison rate and all you think they're trivializes jokes is comedy You know so yeah Oh, oh you got me like even him being bullied on the show everybody hates Chris someone that is portrayed out but it's done in a self-deprecating humor kind of way and that's that thing I told like I talked about before with me I'm serious because everybody expects you to laugh and joke and not be serious, cause you don't want it seem intimidating or that kind of thing. That's that filter is like that was the thing like he doesn't wanna be seen as angry so you gotta smile and just take it in no we're not gonna take any more you know it's a cuter music but that's

2:24:50 That's where we're at with it. And that I think that's what they're trying to put a wet blanket over is like no you can't have Men in general black men more specifically for my case saying what they feel Like that's all that's not bad idea right? Oh for certain people To say what we sign on to and what we don't and it's the same thing for your group like when you start taking out The filters and saying which you want to say then we can get to some yeah, oh to some common ground. And I think that's the real thing they want to stop, so now that's his trauma childhood trauma let's go over to the other side and race plays a lot into it because he was going to a white school now this is Will Smith talking about racism in his career in childhood early on in your rap career you write about facing constant criticism and I love this quote you say at Catholic school no matter how well spoken or intelligent I was I was still the black kid in Winfield

2:25:46 No matter how up I was on the latest music or fashion, I was never quite black enough. I became one of the first hip-hop artists who was considered safe enough for white audiences but with black audiences I was labeled soft because I wasn't rapping about hardcore gangster stuff This racial dynamic is something that has plagued me in various forms throughout my entire life and i wanted to ask you How have you navigated what you call this racial dynamic? So the elixir for me has been comedy. Comedy crosses all divides. If you learn how to make people...

2:26:40 Very jarring very jarring to me. You listen to them in different spots that is so true That is completely different will interesting all right comedy crosses all divides if you learn how to make people laugh it's like It's the sugar for anything else that you want to bring to that person. People are wide open when they're laughing, right? So for me throughout my career the bigger the laugh I realized the less I was the black dude. Really now

2:27:36 So you Chris Rock dealt with the same thing. Yeah, not being black enough and I want to make something clear There are black comedians actors that are seen as the black white Comedians and actors like they're good in this bear with me try to explain this sure Mike Davis Chappelle He doesn't make Black comedy Chris Rock didn't make quote-unquote black comedy. No, and it is like I said Wanda Sykes another one The one that addressed it the best was Wayne Brady when he was on Chappelle because they kind of acknowledged it Wayne Brady's like a show tunes Broadway kind of act It's not Black targeted media let me be clear what that is

2:28:33 It's funded by the same people, but it's targeted in a different way. You even have this in YouTube you have black targeted content creators and you have black content... you have content creators who happen to be black there's a difference I mean and then I just want to point all this out because this is why The Rub of Chris Rock Being told you're the best. You're the best guy for the job What does that mean right and I'm sure we'll could empathize with him Because he was this like you said just safe black gotta bring home to your parents, you know Nobody wants to be safe. I mean, let's just be honest. They don't mean like nobody that's not a

2:29:20 It's something that you want to be, it is not something you want to be known as. Right Like it equates the boring, it equates the lame in a way Yeah So I just wanna point that out and understand definitely that was why 2016 was the real rub And what we saw play out this year were just result of that Oh, you're the best guy for the job. You know what I'm saying? Like... I could hear how Chris heard that! Oh yeah! But then on The Best Job, he was like, yeah! For that racist white show Yeah, go tap dance Chris! That kind of thing like.. I know exactly how he heard it and yeah So and iIm sure Chris knew as well but let's get into the second part of uh Chris and right me I will in racism

2:30:14 Right? The bigger the laugh, the less I was the soft dude. Laughter trumps everything. And it's a magical energy that connects people and that for brief moment at least purifies the poisons. Yes and you're not in any way marginalizing or minimizing overt racism because you say every encounter I ever had with overt racism were with people, I estimated to be weak enemies at best. So overt racism although dangerous and ever present never made me feel inferior. I thought that was so interesting

2:31:04 I felt the same way. So, I was raised to believe that you can encounter any situation racist or otherwise hard work education and God will topple any and all obstacles and enemies And I wonder how did that affect you moving through the world of power as a black man? so It's funny Tyrese called me one time he was going through something who's Tyrese? Tyrese from Transformers Fast and Furious got it yeah He was mad he had just left a meeting or something like that. And he's saying, man what I got to do to walk into these meetings and have them not look at me as just a walking in the office? And I said well you gotta stop thinking of yourself as walking in the office. So couple things I want address one he brought up magical

2:32:09 and that's why I was talking about the magical negro. And what that is, like i said it's a stereotypical role and you start-it starts to transform-it starts to stick with you off the screen. That's just like Morgan Freeman he's seen as you know, God. You know what I'm saying? Like all the show like President God this kind of thing he solves everybody's problems one of the best magical Negro roles that was examples that was played was Will Smith in The Legend Of Bagger Vance and what it is is you're a black man but your whole goal is to be the savior for white or white character. It's not about me. I went...I suffered so I can be this safe

2:32:56 character that'll sacrifice, once again sacrifice my own wants and needs for your improvement. And like I said, Bagger Vance was one of the go-to textbook examples. And it's fun... I'm gonna turn it over to you but I just wanna point out one more thing. The determination, hard work and God Notice they when to boo-lay members are sitting down and having a conversation They can say that but if you say that like out It conflicts with everything the Democrats or liberals think yes Oprah can't say that out loud. I mean like use her full voice to say no She says she in fact did she used it as other people saying it? This is what would people listen not herself other people, right?

2:33:55 But they both agree that's how you do it, but they can't do that because that ruins the whole victimhood D.I.E grift. See? It's a very nuanced conversation and its gas and brakes. We can't go too far with that God and determination thing but we're Boulay brothers and sisters so we could have this conversation amongst ourselves Yeah, so I mean this is it's very like says very many layers to this but going to the next Clip. I think this and this is a long clip So stop it where you want to but I left all the music their fanfare everything in Because I believe this was the passing of the guard from Bill Cosby to Will Smith Oh my

2:34:55 Okay, that's some interesting shoes to fill. Now just listen to the receptionist... This is older. I think it was like 98-99 at Cicelands Wars if my memory serves me correctly but listen to Bill Cosby's reception in the room Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome a man who says the darnedest things 1997's Essence Award recipient Mr. Bill Cosby Yeah that's when he had kids say the darndest things the TV show I was very proud yeah this is what this is him at his peak ultimate peak yeah peak

2:35:44 Once upon a time, there was a young guy from Philadelphia named Will. In many ways he was an ordinary fellow from a nice home living off of his parents

2:36:29 And while he did that, his parents taught him right from wrong. He found that he had an extraordinary gift and it turned him into a fresh prince! He could fashion a rhyme at the drop of a dime All the neighborhood kids marveled at this ability which he most often displayed at parties with his best friend DJ Jazzy Jeff. And the Grammy goes to... Will Smith! Get out of here!

2:37:23 Jeff and I never really wanted anything other than to hear our record on the radio. That was like the big dream, and in June 1986 you know Jeff and I we were at my father's business And we saw a guy riding by bopping his head to Girls Ain't Nothing But Trouble and from that point We've been completely beyond anything we ever dreamed And if you heard in there they heard that you could hear Chris Rock presenting uh, the award- Grammy Award. Right To Will Smith So I'll just let you know that there's history between those two No kidding Because in these award shows and I don't know if people knew this or not You can select who you want to give your award I mean everybody knows who won That's why they know if they show up or not What? No! No! Yeah yeah

2:38:16 But because I you saw this with Kanye and Ludacris when he first won his Grammys him and ludicrous are very close So that was that. I think that's a indicator to how close Chris and we'll were prior to this whole situation alright, so Fresh Prince, I think this goes to your point about letting a young black man into your home That was a big deal that show yeah, so um That Monday slot NBC, NBC Cosby. This show was created by Quincy Jones you hear Oprah and you're saying like I want to stress the point that Will Smith is super duper bullae Like all the old school put their hand on him like he they were all saying that clip between him and Bill Cosby He was pretty much that was Barack Obama of Hollywood

2:39:13 He was. There is a resemblance between Will Smith and Barack Obama, you know what I'm saying? The ears and everything like that so just don't let that slip past you either but this is the story of how Fresh Prince became the fresh prince before I was getting in trouble with Uncle Phil I Was in trouble with uncle Sam Me and Jeff had come out with our smash hit, Parents Just Don't Understand. We made a bunch of money. We won a Grammy album which triple platinum I have motorcycles and cars. I called the Gucci store in Atlanta And i was like hey will y'all close it down if I bring this? And im smiling but that's stupid we released our next album and It was like a flop

2:40:01 It was a tragedy. It went like double plastic I spent most of my money, all of it...I spent all my money and I didn't forget but I didn't pay the IRS In my mind, I mean I wasn't trying to avoid paying taxes I was just like oh damn they need their money The IRS took all that stuff, so I was like broke broke broke. Being famous and broke is a combination because you're still famous and people recognize you but they recognize you while you sitting next to them on the bus

2:40:42 and the stuff they ask you to sign on a bus, you know? Like, ooh! Can you sign my baby?! That's a sharpie. I probably shouldn't write on the baby with that. Oh, are you too big to sign my baby? Well no, I mean... You know so I signed it." This is sooo telling Yeah, see you knew all this stuff. Okay I didn't know this...I know Will Smith from then we both performed well he performed IMC'd at the launch of Sonic The Hedgehog the launch of the video game and hung out and you know kind of like backstage hanging out it was nice really nice guy really thankful for where he was and everything

2:41:30 And that was indeed around 86 I think he had something to do. I think you might have had something to do with that with the soundtrack To the game or something it doesn't matter But the fact that he went completely that he completely blew all the money yeah, yeah This is the pattern Is too far as far too common? happening that they get celebrities well it's a tax trouble you can take and leverage your well let me he said something else that's important to understand because I've been a little bit in this trap but so being what he says being a celebrity and broke sucks. Being a celebrity and making not-celebrity money sucks, but that was MTV for me MTV yeah i'll tell you now I'm not complaining

2:42:28 I made my first year $150,000 working at MTV. The second year 175. I never made more from MTV than that now other things I did okay but that was the MTV money so when you're Adam Curry leather jacket big hair and MTV is flying your coach down to spring break you got to understand it's weird So what what this is? What this is why so because it goes back to we said earlier there's certain things expected from celebrities It's a facade. It's a it's a it's the magic of being a celebrity that you fly, yeah someone offered for the now I'm luckily I'm no longer in mainstream so I could be really honest and everybody knows You know, I make my money from value for value and that sometimes good sometimes not

2:43:21 But we were flying to South Carolina, and we had take two planes to get there from Texas. And someone kindly sent me a note and said hey you know if if you get stuck in Atlanta I'm about an hour away and I could drive the rest of the way but this sentence read If your flying commercial... You see people think that Adam has private jet money Yeah, you know, yeah, you know you hop off the PJ Exactly. At the pop of some dawn. You know what I'm saying? Crystal baby! Crystal! Just to know that you still are a high value man and making $100k a year So we're saying even at the time when you were MTV so no worries there But they expect you get all popping in the dawn popping the champagne

2:44:15 $300 bills at the every flight attendant. That's the thing! But it's a trap, it's a trap and when you're young and impressionable and there's no... You don't get a manual like hey you're on TV your famous here's your hand guide. You don't get that now I was very lucky my first wife She was very smart, but she would do two things. She would say you're not going out the party because they're all losers and it only ends in tears and I think that she's right about that But you would also say You're going to pay the extra half to fly first-class You can't fly coach as Adam Curry the celebrity and so I literally I literally would take money out of my own pocket to go do work for MTV

2:44:58 And you know what? In the reality world, that we're reality TV world we live in now. This is the peer pressure and this is why everybody just checks boxes. This is where all the doctors as a quick aside all the doctors that went along with the coupe, The same thing I got him lifestyle to maintain your saying wish you want me to take a stand. I don't think so except for my friend Mo Fax didn't do that Because you got to be able to live with yourself. Yeah, but that's the thing like real estate agencies another one You can't pull up to the house trying to sell a car me trying to sell a house and I

2:45:38 89, give me a 98 Camry. That can't happen you gotta have a nice... I was wondering what car you'd come up with? Yeah because you got to have a certain- You see it all the time on the road and you're seeing the realtor license plates and the little magnetic on the door because you had to look the part. Yep! You know you have to look the part and this is why i said when he said that bread and butter thing yeah I know what bread and butter mean. Podcasting is my bread and butter right now, you know what I'm saying? Now have some auxiliary things going on, you're saying that... You know what I'm saying? I ain't a fool! But when you say that, that stood out to me because I'm like oh yeah this is celebrity life. And you really got to go harder when you're down because you can't give any inkling of fall off

2:46:35 Oh no, you can't once you fall off? And maybe now you just gave me another conspiracy to analyze. Maybe this would be the excuse for the fall off like hey they took they took us and they won't let me add in our movies you know what I'm saying and then you'll be a heroic figure to bounce back. Well that's that's another America loves a great comeback We do? When Will comes back, oh! No doubt about it. When Will come back... Because he's coming back now will he come back like the Black Mamba and Kobe after you understand after the rape charge and get some tats maybe a face tat you know what I'm saying be Trill Smith You know what i'm saying like you know that I can see him playing on the character He plays in the DC comics Like him taking on that persona of The Bad Boy

2:47:31 But there's gonna be a second act to this, trust me. Oh I'm with you on that and we'll be around for it too Well it might be the third act because where I think I am going with this is he had hit rock bottom right? Yeah He has the appeal but doesn't have the money so he's floating around Hollywood and they're like oh okay You down in your luck huh We can basically use you any way we want to. And we know how Will, we knew what Will's first acting like big acting role was inside and outside of him saying First Prince that was when he had to play that gay role and they have people who understand looking at his side eye because that was like a in six degrees separation That was very for the time to play that role that was very pushing the boundaries. Polarizing maybe?

2:48:29 Well, not even that. I'll say this it shifted the Overton window because Even Denzel he got you know saying like people are I'm not sure about you in Philadelphia You know with uh with the gay guy to head right and so for a young black Rapper to play that role dealt shifted the whole overton window And we was kind of been that figure to shift it you know to open marriage to feral kids to, you know what I'm saying? Like he's been this guy to push these boundaries. And iIm just wondering is this the same case so let's get back to the story time of Will Smith part two. So I was like laying around and my girlfriend was like dude we're not doing this like you're not just gonna be laying around his house all day You gonna go do something! I was like what?!

2:49:21 What I'm supposed to do? Go where people is doing it. Where are people doing it?! Go to the Arsenio Hall Show! Just go stand around at the Arsenio Hall Show? Yes That's stupid! So, I went to the Arsenio Hall show and...I met a dude named Benny Medina Oh no! Benny Medina!? Ahhhh, yeah I knew you would know him How did I know that you would know him Oh my goodness, Benny Medina is one of the scammiest producers ever in Hollywood. I'm so happy to hear that! Benny Medina...I hear that name like oh no not Benny You don't know this story? I do not- I don't think so

2:50:08 I cherish the fact that i got one over on you man. In Hollywood, like you're the hollywood guy so... Oh my god, Denny Medina! I know your no name so please we can continue this clip and you can tell me your Benny Medina story after you hear how him and Will quote unquote bumped into each other okay And I met a dude named Denny Medina and Benny Medina is the real life Fresh Prince of Bel Air except he actually went from Watts to Beverly Hills, same basic concept way shorter distance. I meet Benny and he pitches me the idea for this show and i'm like you know i'm not an actor i'm like cool and he said hey you know i want you to meet Quincy Jones, Quincy Jones is producing with

2:50:48 So I find myself at Quincy's. And it's actors and artists and celebrities, politicians like everybody that Quincy's out It was like the Wiz without the costume so Benny walks me in and introduced me to Quincy Hey Q what's up man? He said hey man you know saw your music videos i love what you doing tell me rap name again they call me The Fresh Prince alright good that's we gonna call this show and he handed me a screenplay for a failed Morris Day pilot. Like, I don't have the time so... I need you to do this! I need you go ahead take few minutes take 10 minutes study the script and imma clear all this stuff out of the living room And we gonna have everybody sit down in the living room We're gonna do an audition Oh oh oh oh oh It's happening to my bitch now huh? I forgot-I forgot all about Benny Medina

2:51:42 Yeah, there's nothing but weird stories about him. It sounds like... you correct me if I'm wrong because i've never been to Hollywood and I never plan to go to Hollyweird But it sounds like the Arsenio Hall show people were just kind of floating around Looking to be discovered or you know say this is pre-internet folks. So you gotta remember that for the younger listeners There's no hopping there's no social media so you gotta get out there like his girlfriend told him You gotta get to where the celebrities are and it seems like to me The Arsenio Hall show was just kind of light ain't come down and you might get on but a reason why I remember this It was a Martin episode where? Tommy Davison played

2:52:23 people kill me for it. Lavar, LaVelle? It was like a Arsenio Hall type of character and it was like just come on out you're saying and then we'll get you on is that how these things work well okay so Benny Medina let's just say Arsenio Hall Only because I think that this is where you're going Arsenio Hall definitely has some gay rumors swirling around him Which would fit in with Benny Medina which would fit in with Eddie Murphy, which would fit in a lot with a lot of black men Who I believe are on the down-low in Hollywood and music because it's just unacceptable for the for the quote unquote community was worse

2:53:15 Was. Oh, was I'm sorry. That's why I said that Chris Smith shifted that over to Wendell because he was doing a lot of weird stuff and everybody was kind of looking the other way about like oh that's just Will being Will you know just putting it out there so... And this has incredible stigma or had incredible stigma amongst black male Americans no? Yeah! Like I said nobody really talks about that movie Six Degrees Of Separation But that was a weird movie. And there was another weird movie people talk about less, it's called Made in America and it was about Whippy Goldberg she played a black woman that was impregnated by Ted Danson through artificial insemination and she had a test tube baby. Right. Will Smith helped her daughter find out who her real dad was It was like I said, a lot of foreshadowing in these earlier movies. And Will was dead center

2:54:15 of it. So how do you just show up like, yeah that's what we're gonna call the show? You was gonna have a 10 minute audition and then we'll give you a show on NBC. And only took him five minutes to audition. Hey now! Right, exactly. Storytime 3! He had movers that could reset his furniture I was like this dude is real So Ghost House tells everybody come on come on come on and I'm saying hey Q hold up man hold up I'm not ready to do no auditioning And he's saying oh alright alright what you need tell me what you need Just set the meeting for a week and i can do it He said yeah yeah you know Brandon Tartikoff The head of NBC Is out there I'll get him scheduled for next week Then you know whats gonna happen Somethings gonna come up then hes going to have to reschedule

2:54:56 Oh yeah, so three weeks from now Q. We can do it three weeks from now." I said, Yeah! Three weeks from now be good or you could take 10 minutes right now and you can change your life forever. And i was like... F*** it then Yes, give me ten minutes. I said yes and I let it rip and I got to the end and everybody's clapping Quincy looks at Brandon Tartikoff the head of NBC Did you like it? And Brandon said yeah Yeah, I liked it when he says no did you like him? He say yeah, I liked that good You're his lawyer draw me up something right now Damn Quincy ordering other people lawyers around That's his lawyer Quincy leave that man alone Quincy turned to me and was a hey Will you got a lawyer

2:55:38 Quincy I'm broke if I had a lawyer taking 5% he'd owe me money right now. He was like, all right And he turns his assistant. He was like get will lawyer Quincy have been drinking Well, I've sat with Quincy for an hour uh-huh everybody told you this story You said you had interaction with him, but you never went into details. I was curious about what would come up in the show! I didn't know if y'all four were gonna read it like... No no actually i'd love to talk to Quincy again because he has hearing aids and I think he has the same kind as mine and just want to know about his settings. Because I see him in the studio listening to a track

2:56:29 with the hearing aids and just wondering how he gets. Anyway, years ago I was doing a Sunday night live coast to coast radio show called Hit Line USA and we'd have a guest on and the whole hour in this case was Quincy. He was in studio it was a cool ass studio, big room just the two of us at a small table. Two mics to headphones very dim lighting and he came in and he had a bottle of La Tour Chateau de la tour. I don't know what that is? 1500 bucks a bottle is what that is And he said let's drink lets have a good time

2:57:11 And so I later, now I had a great time and I remember starting off by saying Quincy Mr. Jones we said call me Q you have produced everyone from Lena Horne to Fresh Prince of Bel Air to the TV show and that ends with that conversation but we got so drunk on this wine is really some awesome stuff And later I heard that Quincy had a drinking problem. So, I felt kind of bad that I'd kind of enabled him and you know it just did put in a little bit of different light so when I hear Will Smith at the end say Quincy had been drinking...I think he had a serious drinking problem like real serious

2:57:59 Right now he's doing whatever you're doing. All right now He didn't do that 22 girlfriends Yeah, exactly So you're doing the thing? That's that's just a little bit of extra info But now I think he's act. I think he's uh, he's a non drinking alcoholic Now, I think I think is out as as being on the wagon though but the funny thing is the way this plays out is the Hollywood one-on-one textbook of how these Hollywood parties go. You know what I'm saying? And that's completely the way it is, and for him to be yelling in the music meetings with Brandon Tart... Now, Tartikoff was NBCUniversal. Exactly! But he's dead now, I think but the music business or where Quincy came from very..I mean that's exactly it It's all the first thing is lawyer deal bleh! It's always lawyers deal bleh

2:58:56 Once you've got someone, right away. And they draft the contracts in the meeting no one gets to think about it for a second you stay in this room we'll draft something We'll finalize later don't worry everything will be fine which of course never is Quincy Jones on some Suge Knight type of stuff would like sign a deal? Yes! Like right now That's that's the business So I think we start at three with four now yep all right four Quincy had been drinking You know, it's probably obvious from the story but he had been tasting. He wet his beak a little bit that night The lawyers go out in the limo and they're drawing up their first deal for the fresh Prince of Bel-Air Quincy is like popping up at the window no paralysis do analysis! No paralysis do analysis

2:59:42 I was like, how did he make Thriller like this? So we got the lawyers to draw up something. Ken Hurts looked it over for me, Brandon Tartikoff and we took a picture and signed the basic deal for The Fresh Prince. And three months later, we were shooting the pilot and that's the story of how I became the prince of Bel Air So the moral of the story is always say yes, and I guess listen to your girlfriend. And always have your own lawyer who you trust Always say yes and always listen to your girlfriend huh? Okay! Alright that's the moral of the story alright thanks brother That ain't the moral of my story

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3:03:03 addressed this media-correlated community. or a way of thinking, that's why I think you come into problem with blacks. I mean like they always talk to black voters the Hispanic voters...I don't see any problem with it. Well so that's very interesting what you said So the blacks? I get it because we say that as a joke and some people some people we know say it because they just are old but but we know that is not meant out of racism saying black Americans, black voters, black drivers, whatever it is. That's okay but we have a specific instance where blacks, plural blacks that was deemed incredibly racist and someone...a friend of ours got deplatformed over it

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3:07:47 Exactly. Thank you, Mark. All right and I just want to say for people we understand money's tight baby formula is hard to find gas 450 you're saying if you're lucky we get it but you know maybe you want to drop that uh subscription you have or something and start up one with us so i mean like i said i just want to make sure that we know the facts feeling gonna come through so no doubt about it but just a reminder indeed Yeah, so I just want to make that reminder. Speaking of which now we got Quincy Jones side of the story of how Fresh Prince became the prince of Bel-Air. I had this multimedia company had just started by a magazine

3:08:36 which was Steve Vai said that he was getting heat for Synergy and so forth, and they helped him to see what other things how we can mix things up. I said well i've got a good idea for magazines! I don't know much about magazines. Quincy Jones Hip Hop Magazine with Time Warmer. So what a ridiculous idea? And in five paragraphs you turned it around of let's get started tomorrow on it and it worked. It became the hip Hip Hop Magazine, you know. It's Benny Medina from one of the... At that time he was the head of Black Music at Warner Brothers and he kept telling me about this story that happened with an old friend of mine when I was living in Paris so That was a genesis of it And that idea we liked to know So at 6 o'clock We were doing Still having a meeting with Warren Littlefield and Brandon Tartikoff

3:09:29 And Benny was out there, so I called Benny in to just explain his life. It was really his life story you know? So in eight minutes we made the pitch and at 11 o'clock Warren Littlefield called me up and said We like this! We showed him Will, you know...in a video they call at 11 o'clock and says, we're buzzed. Tomorrow you have to speak to 700 sponsors to tell them that your father has seven kids and that Will the rapper is not dangerous like anybody can imagine Will Smith being dangerous but it was the first time a rapper had ever been this is... They hadn't done movies or anything then And didn't really believe that rap was going to happen I remember Michael Jackson telling me that, that's rap is dead

3:10:21 That's what I'm talking about that was that safe. I remember it's so pivotal that show and That was the making of Fresh Prince the same with Martin That was those two They invaded television around the same time With a new it wasn't The Cosby Show, It was something different It was a very even take black out of it just like rap as a sub-genre seeing hip hop star have us major television show. That was a very that was you knew where you were gonna be at Monday eight o'clock because Tuesday when you got to school, you know You're going to do the pshh. You know saying like all the little bit handshake everything everything was gonna dumb

3:11:11 Gonna be talked about and I think it's kind of hard for other people to understand now that we live in the on-demand Experience, you know It was must see TV. That's what is exactly what it was you had You had to see and there was a good show. It wasn't just saying good morals at the same time um but it was the that was like the boule Showing how the bullet will recruit family members, and this is a real thing Where it's like all young talented bright person maybe from a hard upbringing Let's bring them in my dad offering Santa's to fight you know say family members And I don't and our family. You know like come live with us get on your feet You know come to the city It wasn't on a scale like money wise but

3:12:06 You living in a place with not many opportunities. We're living here somewhere where opportunities come live with us I've had so many cousins and uncles and aunts and whatever else share room Because that's what you did though that that that was high it was different from the Cosby's That was, you know... It covered that spectrum of economics. And that's why it was magical. Now, Quincy Jones mentioned something about the Vibe magazine. The Vibe magazine had- Quincy Jones brought so much to the table! I mean he talked about Thriller and everything else but the Vibe magazine may be one his biggest

3:12:48 But at least talked about accomplishments. I think it was actually around the launch of Vibe that that was the context of my interview with him, i'm just thinking now It makes sense because So many pivotal events Barack Obama's big first cover was the vibe. Yeah They brought him to us and it really started the East Coast West Coast beef yeah between Tupac and Biggie from the vibe I mean that was like what it made it really public, and I have treacherous Mamas cover your baby's ears cuz traction is in two pops friend from not of my nature

3:13:25 Uh, he was saying he's loose with the word. So just be warned. But this is trench on the vibe causing East coast West Coast beef when you got that motherfucking bar magazine right? We see big and puff on a cover east versus west. When I saw that fucking cover, I said man what the fuck is going on? Gangsters don't read articles Niggas on the East Coast like, yo it's on wait till them West Coast niggas come out here. West Coast like oh its on wait till them East Coast niggas come out here So it baited up a whole shit that fucking went down That had just so many cycles of all Biggie followers and riders all Pac riders Motherfuckers that didn't even know neither one of em Gangsta ass motherfuckers It could have really turned into a mothafucking East Coast-West Coast war

3:14:24 Oh, I didn't know this. I didn't know that the Vibe magazine was the genesis of this. Ohhh yes! Oh yes! That article...that was in the innuendo there were songs who shot you by Biggie but this is really when it was made public You know what I'm saying? It was a lot of subliminals. So the vibe had a big role to do with that, and at the same time people gotta remember that's when the Million Man March was going on when black men were trying to take control of their identities. Oh there it was! There it was let's make the black man look bad. Exactly. Wait a minute is this show going to end with me not liking Quincy Jones? This show is gonna end how it ends.

3:15:14 Choose your own adventure. But, uh... Quincy, let's just go ahead and get into Quincy second part about the Fresh Prince. Will was at the- what happened is Will was out doing Back on the Block I had a whole group out there we had four rappers from Ice T and all the guys And um The Gospel Choir Tevin Campbell everybody We'd done our Senior Hall Show While were out there Benny Medina came by to see the show and I think Will asked him for directions or something how to get to the forum. He took his number, you know? Then in the process, if we got Andy and Susan Berkowitz to borrow each other... The family was changed

3:16:03 of Bushy Blackfounder, which made him much stronger. Got the great-great cast right away. Right away just... It stuck like glue and it's either right or wrong and we were on air in 10 weeks after the pitch! Ten weeks! No time for paralysis analysis nobody had time for notes and all that junk you know? Just did it I did a couple of uh... I did a cameo on Fresh Prince with Little Richard Richard Pennyman We're both the same age. Well, it was the impact I think was a combination of you know the both sides of the economic strata in all black community which is glaring

3:16:46 You know, I mean that gives you a premise for every episode. When you got one from Philadelphia they've got thrown out of the house he was too much trouble to come out here with his bourgeois family and every move he makes is it's the scene for entertainment and for conflict Yes! That's right! Conflict is great Q! Funny! Conflict is funny Yeah, and just be honest. It did broach a lot of interesting topics as far as one of the pivotal scenes in show Will Smith's acting abilities about the deadbeat father that was one that is etched in the collective conscience when he was like why you don't want me Uncle Phil? And then he cried so it was the good with the bad but I gotta say

3:17:46 Quincy Jones, he's at the center of a lot of stuff and doing this research on this Will Smith show. And what I knew about his previous past is like you know Tupac? You know Will Smith and you know Jada? What's going on? Like whoa, hold on that's too many coincidences. And involved in production of the award show Like I said, so let's go ahead and get into 37. Now Cutie 3, you had a very important relationship with Tupac. Why do you think there are people that didn't understand the genius he was and thought of him as dumb in many ways or ignorant and too violent?

3:18:40 I would say that Tupac was probably the smartest artist that i've met in terms of the full range, in terms of politics you know personal relationships and scholastically what have you just reading. But also feel like to some degree he dumbed down to sort of let his audience know in some ways that he was relatable And not to say that his audience was dumb, but he was putting on a facade to relate to them in a better way. You know what I mean? With the whole death rope persona and all that... Yeah! ...and then he was probably three or four months away from turning all of that around and it's sort of what KRS did with his first album He had The Uzzies on the cover and then the very next album became The Teacher So Pac was about to do that Turn around and say okay now that i've got

3:19:23 the demographic that needs the help the most, I'm going to turn around and teach them certain things. And I think that unfortunately it was just cut short but he had so much in the pipeline that people don't know about him. He was so well read, he would read each book two or three times in a row and ask a bunch of people questions about the books so he really learned it you know? So I think he was ready to unleash a lot of that in his political thoughts and power and all that kind of stuff. And just unfortunately got cut short, you know? To some degree fame is also a drug so maybe it got caught up in that a little bit but I think he was probably literally four to five months away from the turnaround becoming a man and becoming the leader that he was. He was born into The Black Panthers and sort of raised to be the next leader

3:20:06 Yeah, we can't have that. So now that doesn't sound like something we need can't have a Can't have Tupac changing his tune become a leader and it seems like Quincy had his thumbs on both spectrums of Hip-hop where Will Smith at one extreme and then to pocket the other stream And they both were under his thumb in a way yeah He already had a good wholesome guy he didn't need another one Right, so you gotta have this other... like I said it's you controlling both ends. Both polar opposites of each other Just one other thing i'd like to say about Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is that you gave us your perspective You know? You knew where you were Monday night at 8 o'clock So did I But we were there for different reasons We didn't view Fresh Prince the way YOU did

3:21:00 To us it was, and of course this was made for white audiences. Yes it was you know... It was for all audiences but this is NBC Brandon Tartikoff I mean this the-it was a huge hit You're not a huge hit unless you bring in white audiences just like hip hop basically at least when its charting on radio And I think for white audiences For me just trying to think back and remember it's like wow! That's really good to see that there are very successful black people. Right, what it did was it was the safe space between a Mark and Bill Cosby show because you had the rich family IE the Cosbys but then you had hip-hop vibe of a mark so it was it was the perfect

3:21:55 It was safe. Yeah, it was a safe spot and we would get up to some shenanigans but he wasn't... Well not just safe but what Quincy sees and what Quincy says very accurately is you have this conflict and that conflict is where ratings live I think you know I don't know if we're gonna find out how political and boulé Quincy is in this regard From a ratings perspective, a television productions perspective is the dream. Is the dream! Every producer would see that as a dream Yeah it's the dream like I said and it shaped my mind as a young person watching the show So let's go ahead and get into... Let me ask you how did it shape your what was your takeaway from as a young person watching the show? Will was cool man he was good but still cool

3:22:55 You had these people, it was like a predecessor to Kanye. You had Dwayne Wayne over at Different World also an NBC product of these people you could identify with But Will was cool because he had the Jordans on and the backwards hat. And you know, he would have certain... Queen Latifah was on and the stars did cameos were the real thing! You had Donald Trump, Chris Rock Yeah, yeah. Cameos was the thing. Tavon Campbell! Which that's a whole other story for another day with Quincy. Oh man yes! But you had all these things and then you had like I said you had Carlton which was so corny it made Will look cool And what a sad story Carlton just he never got out of that role

3:23:57 No, that's the thing. Once you get stuck there... But the question is do you would you rather have that type of fame or no fame at all? I can't answer that question because i'm not into fame but As an actor, I mean he has his own dance for crying out loud. So... And I work with him on Circus of the Stars and man he was just entertaining everybody backstage He was singing dancing tapping but just everything That's that same like I said that same thing! And that was just backstage That was just for people on the show you know? But he was just kind of that guy like always full of energy not acting What you saw in Fresh Prince well-that's him

3:24:38 That's that weird spot to get put in because that's that Wayne Brady lane. It is like and you it's sad to say but you can't smile like that, You can't laugh like that is because people think like your a pushover And I think that's what led Will To be taken that way and it's like oh y'all gonna respect me today. You know saying kind of thing as far You know, the way he tried to change his image. And that's why I think that you're going to keep my wife name out your mouth. That was it with... That was like y'all playing with me! Don't play with me. So okay so i think we started at 37? We're 38 now. Oh let's go ahead and get in 38. Okay this is Quincy Jones on Tupac

3:25:25 And he was born into the Black Panthers and sort of raised to be the next leader. Yeah, so he was ready for it and he knew where do you think he lost his way on that or Do you think he lost his weight off connected with a culture? I thank God He knows this system my daughter. He died in her arms Las Vegas. Yes She's engaged him and he used to write her letters like Lord Byron Oh I remember reading one poem of his, in fact I recited it on a rose that came from concrete. Starry Eyes by Vincent van Gogh but Jay the Pink was his first girlfriend in Baltimore. Triple A student you know? But its not hip to be smart and thats got to go because its a joke

3:26:12 I didn't know that Tupac died in his daughter's arms. Uh-huh, yeah! What are the chances? He had control of both poles of hip hop. Jeez... The safest and the most radical and it gets more interesting but yeah Uh, but I want to now we got again. Wait a minute he had also Jada Pinkett Smith was his first girlfriend is that what he said? No that was Tupac's first girlfriend. That's what i said Tupac's first girlfriend yes! Yes holy crap then this is the real issue with Will Smith it's not about Chris Rock it's not even about August Alessina He's chasing the ghost yeah and his woman's heart

3:27:04 And everybody knows it. It's like, oh he she picked you because he died And it makes for a hell of a control mechanism. It sure does So now we gotta go to different world, Bill Cosby production which featured Tupac Now why would Bill Cosby feel safe enough? Now We heard how much scrutiny Will Smith had to go through To get Fresh Prince of Bel-Air but Bill Cosby Mr. Poundcake Pulling Pants allows

3:27:42 Jada Pickett Smith to co-star with Tupac on his production Different World and this is gonna be example. I think this was a reflection of What she was going through but also How can I put it? It showed Will Smith is being played by God named Dorian in this episode you're saying and It's gonna show her struggle between wanting to be with a thug Tupac or with the safe guy Dorian aka Will Smith.

3:28:34 May I? Dorian! Let him go. Come on, baby you know how fragile the male ego can be. Pick a little nut now alright? Seriously though Lena, you was my first love and i can't get five minutes alone with you one little dance I sure miss you. You know, this reminds me of our first dance together. Remember the hug? Yes that's not gold there all right come on now a lot has changed since the last time we saw each other. We're not the same brother we used to know. Not the same in me Well i'm not but really getting it

3:29:17 I realize the street life ain't really hitting no more. It took you this long to realize that, huh? Homie Rico got smoked. I heard about that. I wanted to call but... I sure wish you wouldn't. You're the only person I could've talked to. Why don't you call me, Pick? You know when stuff gets that rough, you can always call me. That's why i'm here now Gonna get me a job, hook me up with career. When you do it this college time we can really have going on. See now uh-uh this is exactly what I was afraid of You're not gonna come down here jump in my life and act like everything's okay? I got an agenda And despite what you might think...I've got a man. And what that got to do with me

3:30:05 Nice laugh track. I mean, I know you're just passing the time with the choir boy here hitting it like I was if the boy hit me with a hoe. Check this hair? You weren't all that! Oh, so now you all that attitude bougie. What are you gonna? Is there a problem? It's like this square is lynched! What do you want quiet boy? Lena told me you ain't doing the right thing Yeah standing with your mouth open punk let your woman handle your business. What you got to say? Hey Piccolo man. Now watch her punk up on me! So okay, and that was Jada Pinkett Smith was the girl in this? Yes. This is her real-life boyfriend. This is life imitates art man Yeah so Bill Cosby was getting in on that gun that cue action

3:31:03 They ran NBC, it seemed like with some clout. Bill Cosby was incredibly powerful at NBC Yes what I'm saying and then you got Q bringing in Fresh Prince which is his own powerhouse Power struggle? No no no! I'm telling you right now power struggle between Q and Bill Seriously? Mm-hmm Oh definitely And now iIm thinking Q might have something to do with bill going to jail He even quoted saying if I tell you what me and Bill used to do, you know what I'm saying? I would end up basically in trouble. So...I was thinking allies but you just opened another... Remember these guys are bullet!

3:31:56 And that would explain why he let Pac on his show because he had to make it rough up the image of a different world. This kind of changed, like Different World had a different tone to it It was more about his daughter Denise going to college but it did this pivot of recruiting all young black people with different lifestyles into college and this is proven college admissions to It went it doubled at the different world So that is life I mean imitate art But let's go ahead and get to the second part of this clip Because you're gonna hear I think what Jada struggle with cuz Q says she was a straight-a student but they were from Baltimore her and pop so did I think this is like what she was struggling with an image, and I think this may lend to her

3:32:47 Noah being more radical compared to Will and hopping on the Oscar so white bandwagon. Lena, why are you looking like that girl? You had two fine men fighting over here now you better smile but it's all about that piccolo I can't put my finger out of his mouth He is thuggish scandalous pimpish gangster-ish and hooliganist But he is so fine First of all y'all need to stop talking about people that you don't even know What the hell are you looking at? That's all you got from his mouth, almighty. This is her friend from Baltimore. Piccolo is not my man anymore okay and two... Wait don't you mean B? Wait what did she say there I didn't catch it She said one and then she-she said A And then she said two You know that A and a 2 yeah Piccolo is not my man anymore okay and two Don't you mean B

3:33:51 And two, Charmaine and Gina are right. He acted like he always acts when he doesn't get what he wants and that's like a Joe Hood. I can't believe this! First you leave us, you leave the crew to come to college to educate yourself. Now i can get with that it's cool but then... You start running around with these people like choir boy and these two fake females taking their side. Hold it hold it now first of all

3:34:27 Hmm. All right, so that I think that's why Jada Pickett was struggling or saying choosing between Tupac and Will because it was bigger than just men. It was identity is like you know are you gonna be bougie? Or boulé? I mean bougie is another word for boulé. So do you think do you think that somewhere in Will's programming he has to actually show he's a bad boy to be quote-unquote real

3:35:35 Yeah, that's a struggle. I mean but he always failed at it as we said in the previous clips because he wasn't never quite black enough for black people or wasn't quite white enough or safe enough for white people. Or maybe he was thuggish enough? Yeah, thuggish enough yeah Man this is so deep And you gotta think this is like the burgeoning against rap and hip-hop and becoming a huge commodity in early to mid 90s So, I mean are you gonna be jiggy with it? You know what i'm saying or are you gonna be jigger. Yeah yeah yeah All right so um all right so this is Will talking about how jealous he was of Tupac Were you ever jealous of the love Jada had for Tupac

3:36:21 Oh, fuck yeah. I thought you were gonna say no. Oh my god that dude and you know that was in the early days. Yeah That was in the early days and it was like um...that's a big regret for me too because I could never open up to interact with Pac. You know? Different wheels. We had a little bit of a thing right because You know, they grew up together and you know they loved each other but they never had that...you know. They never had a sexual relationship but they'd come into the age where now that was... That ain't what Quincy said! Quincy said it was her first boyfriend! I'm just, okay we continue on the clip. I just want to clarify matters.

3:37:21 Perfection but she was with the Fresh Prince, you know So it was like image of perfection. I never could this interview is this Breakfast Club? Yes And this is from when this was from wanna say 2016 17 so around in there. Uh-huh Well, but he just says something really critical here She just loved him like he was the image of perfection so to Tupac was the image of perfection that's a Will speaking not Jada, that's will saying that Just loved him like he was the image of Perfection but she was with the fresh prince You know so it was like I just never could even we were in a room together a couple times I couldn't speak to him you know and you know He wasn't gonna speak to me if I wasn't gonna speak to him, but it's my job. That's how much in common

3:38:14 No, that's what Jada would say all the time. She was like I'm telling you y'all are so similar You will- you love him and I just never stop, you know Red flag fellas if your woman say another man you have so much in common it was in her past That's a huge red flag That's right It's like y'all don't have so much in common. No, that's what Jada would say all the time She was like I'm telling you y'all are so similar You will-you love him and I just never...you know that that was a huge regret of mine I just didn't..I couldn't handle it. You know? I was this soft rapper from Philly and he was pock! Right. Well at least we didn't do a diss song about you or nothing. Exactly exactly but yeah now deeply deeply

3:39:11 insecure and just I wasn't man enough to handle that relationship. Okay, now didn't Chris Rock and Jada Pinkett Smith also have some stuff together? I don't think so! I thought there was some rumors about them when they were working together somewhere from way back then No, I know Mark Anthony was in with me but I don't think Chris Rock but I think it was more of... Chris Rock was the sacrificial lamb to let out all frustrations. You know what I'm saying? It was like, Imma smack you to let everybody else know stop playing with me and my name kind of thing. He embodied everything that Will couldn't be because he was the soft good rapper Right so let me pick on the weaker guy than me Chris Rock who is smaller than him too significantly yeah

3:40:06 Oh man. Very glad Christian had that book bag with that brick in it, that's almost like um but uh... But now let's go back to Quincy Jones and listen to what really happened to Tupac No, Tupac got the no as my daughter's fiancee who was gonna get married In fact he died in her arms you know his lungs stapled up she almost got killed on that too because she And Tupac was in the car, she was supposed to be sitting next to Tupac. This is in Las Vegas right? Las Vegas yeah and thank God Tupac called her up and said I just hit a crip you know so I'll pick you up later. And a car came by his car of convertible with girls in it to tempt him out of the car they pulled off and a guy with a bow tie and machine gun took him out that would have been my daughter you know Her car was behind them with security and he died in their arms

3:41:00 And she went through, within a year and half's time. She lost Tupac. She produced an event for my record company, Quest Records and Vibe magazine Four minutes after that Biggie Small got shot He was at that thing he got killed by the Crips and Aaliyah, Aaliyah was just a state living at home. We took her to Fiji, stayed in Tony Robbins' house and everything and later she got killed in that airplane accident it was overloaded you know Wow man! It's too much coincidence for me Coincidence Write that down That solved that problem God gave that one to me Mo

3:41:51 But honestly, I don't know. Let me break it out for people that didn't catch all that your daughter's supposed to be in the car a Tupac but she doesn't and he gets killed then y'all plan the party there biggie goes to he goes out four minutes later He shot and killed And then... You were hanging out in Anthony Robbins' place with Aaliyah. No, he flew Aaliyah down for a Vibe magazine event and stayed at Tony Robbin's house and then her plane gets overweighted and crashes. Let me explain how this, in my conspiracy analyst mind, is Quincy Jones the cleanup man? I just gotta ask! He removed Tupac out of Wheelsway

3:42:38 He removes Biggie out of Jay-Z's way, and he removes Aaliyah out of Beyonce's way. Oh yeah! If Aaliyah goes nowhere, Beyonce is not Beyonce. He's the real-life Suge Knight. And don't get it twisted, he is a World Economic Forum member and frequents Davos so don't think that he doesn't get busy! We know how Davos gets down. They're the real gangsters. Yes... This is actually upsetting to me

3:43:18 I'm sorry. No, no i'm not no But it's I have I put q on such a pedestal for his work Although vibe magazine always bothered me that all that always bugged me I can't I don't I'd have to think about it since we just brought it up in the show but I'll have to go back and uh And meditate for a bit and think about what are the things that bother me because I was there? I remember this whole launch It was very polished. It wasn't the source, it wasn't grimy like the source. So Aaliyah was dating Jay-Z? Yes! Which they tried to say it was Dame Dash but I think she was dating both of them but what I'm saying is part celebrity wise Beyonce picked up that energy that Aaliyah had and right right Jay Z picked up the energy that Biggie had and Will Smith cleared away

3:44:16 But this is my conspiracy analyst mind. I'm not saying anything, i'm just telling you what pops in my head when I hear this clip and he runs it down like that Like yeah, i'm at the center of all this and The thing about Quincy is he loves to talk He drops all... You're saying he drops it all? He don't care So okay All right so No no keep going. I'm just processing So if you don't think he ain't gangster 43. When Tupac started dating your daughter, there was a sit down you had with him? There was no he wrote something in the source magazines or stuff about this very racist and very nasty and my daughter from Harvard Rashi that took him out and she's speaking Harvard East at the end but all my kids I put the street in them I made sure they had to street so you have to have the street man okay where do you go Yale Harvard Georgetown whatever

3:45:12 Street is important and I was born in the streets of Chicago in the 30s and you know, Chicago With mafia every day dead bodies everyday. Tommy guns Stokies piles of money and back rooms like Amazingly to be gangster till I was 11. I did yes You know you want to be what you see? Do you want to be what used in Africa? Of course Rashida, of course forgot all about Rashida Yeah, and I have a story here that says he was a member of the Jones Boys which was the black gangsters in Chicago. And now finally entered the Jones Boy like what Jones is right? He had his own gang there nice. I'm asking they don't say it specifically but him to be Quincy Jones in The Jones Boys was he's the top Jones of The Joneses

3:46:07 Oh, very interesting. Let me say this about that... From the music business in the 80s and the 90s which is my period everybody was a gangster it this and I'm not talking about you know gangsta rap i'm talking about gangsters these the music business is filled with gangsters and and I'll just using that term generally but you know Benny Medina fits in there Tommy Mottola fits in there Motown had a guy around it that was, uh... It was a white Italian guy. They were going to get the radio deals done. Oh no, because of Paola. All that stuff. It's always been a gangsta business!

3:46:55 That's why, you know... because it was... Ain't nothing new under the sun! I can't... But when you think about Quincy Jones' background Yeah. You grew up that way and got certain values embedded in your mind And maybe eliminating someone is quite normal in his... And you do not survive all those years without two things Incredible success and incredible power The two are not necessarily always tied together and Quincy Jones has been the gingerbread man throughout it all. He's almost made it! I gotta give him his credit, he's almost made it unscathed you know uh... until MoFax with Adam Curry came along and exposed him

3:47:40 Q, listen I don't want no smoke. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I just follow where the clues lead me okay that's all. And we're happy to talk to him if you'd like to expand No problem Yeah Why not me this time Q? No problem So i know people may say this is a stretch when you talk about Moe Quincy Jones taking out Tupac for Will 44. You need to prove yourself over and over, and he can never be Tupac. Boy Kevin you're overexaggerating this Tupac thing really? Uh huh Dear Tupac I know you are alive some place...I think my mommy really misses you Can you please come back? Can you come back so me and my mommy can be happy? I wish you were here! I really do Willow Woah What?! Willow

3:48:46 Tupac got killed in what, 95? 96? Willow never met Tupac. Why is this little girl writing a letter to Tupac? Why is Will Smith's daughter writing a letter to Tupac?" Does the timeline fit here Moe? What's that? Is Willow uh... Tupac's child? No! That's not what I'm saying. I was saying that Jada is talking to her daughter about how Tupac made her happy Of course of course. That's enough to kill over my book As a father, I'm just saying. Oh my god... Alright so the things that i've learned from this episode 1. Always be prepared when Mo does a show alcohol might be necessary when your heroes are destroyed at the end 2. Will Smith is a man who needs help from men

3:49:46 As fast as possible. I don't know if it can be done He needs deprogramming, he needs help, he needs someone to open his eyes and show him what's going on 3 Holy crap! This is almost as bad as just how... I mean this is ultimate abuse And Quincy Jones has been a part of this throughout the ages using the center of it. He said he was a gangster, I'm just telling you and he's made no bones about it pun intended about being against her. Every interview It always goes back to gangsters Chicago being a gangster so that so the slap heard around the world was probably nothing more than

3:50:48 You know, decades of Will Smith suppressing feelings thoughts issues psychological stuff and he just snapped. Or he could be handled to snap, to be made to snap. Well I can only imagine seeing some of those videos which you didn't play the clips from but i'm sure there's a lot more verbal stuff that Jada was throwing out there and at that moment...I could even see where Will Smith is so

3:51:25 blinded with rage over previous issues surrounding his relationship with Jada that, you know, Chris Rock might have... he's black enough to look like Tupac's Black. You know what I'm saying? Seriously! Don't you think that just like you go blind with rage and you just see a black man and it's like that's Tupac. The laughter, oh. I think it was the laughter for me. The laughter that did it yeah! The laughter for me you know what I'm saying? That's enough to make you go crazy No no It was double laughter the laughter about the joke then when he slapped him there was laughter You gotta do it to get some respect around here And thats when he threw out the keep my wife name out your eppin mouth Thats an excellent point Adam thats a excellent point

3:52:19 Laughter. The double laughter. Holy mo- okay, well thanks Moe! This is uh... Now I have something to talk to the kids about You wanna know what's up? Come on grandpa's knee and let me tell you about Tupac Let me tell ya about Will Smith Let me tell ya what really going on Too many coincidences for me. Coincidences indeed. Coincidences! Mo, thank you so much for this that this is I've been waiting for this one i had no idea it was going and uh and i'm even more baffled at the end but have clarity and i loved talking with you about this particular topic this was a lot of fun for me

3:53:00 It was a lot of fun for me too because you filled in a lot of gaps with your Hollywood experience. And with that said, as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself." That is also proudly displayed on the back of every single MoFax With Adam Curry T-shirt designed and produced by Roger Roundy! I'm sure these will be on sale soon somewhere or maybe you have to donate to get them Speaking of such MoFacts.com go directly to our donation page, mofundme.com or get a new podcast app at NewPodcastApps.com and boost us as much as you can! We'll be back in 14 days from now with another... we can't even call it a show these are just straight up college credit lessons of Mo Facts with Adam Curry thanks again brother I see that

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