21: You're the Father

00:04 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for January 13th 2020 this is episode number 21 and hello, Mr. Mo How you doing sir? I am good mo it's very sad day of course for this show as As we mourn the suspension of Cory Booker's campaign He was our last hope Happy trails to you, Cory. Yeah the news is kind of going crazy like what this there's only white guys up on stage and that includes Elizabeth Warren as a white guy

00:44 Yeah, I heard that too. So it's like... Just going nuts over it! Anyway today you always surprise me with your topics and compliments again for the last show man that was a lot of fun. I love seeing people on noagendasocial.com or on Twitter where they're like wow holy crap I learned something that kind of changed my perspective fantastic I'm sure you see this to Yeah, and the last clip threw everybody for a loop. So I mean...I took great joy in that. Oh! If you didn't get to the end you missed something because yeah that totally- I mean we could hardly even end the show it's just like uh okay just guess I'll get ended now okay Like The Sopranos Exactly exactly like that exactly

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02:41 The patriarchy. Okay, the patriarchy I've always wondered so we're doing a show about me basically am i not part of the problem? Am I not in the patriarchy well I'll think it's more of me being the problem maybe your influence on me okay all right and not personally but just What we've seen here is, we talked about this before in 2020 that politically We're going to see a wedge driven between black men and black women. Yes with black women supposedly needing to take charge and show their Black Men the error of their ways yes The powers-that-be want to isolate black women into their own demographic

03:32 And so I've been seeing little jabs of verbal bombs, cherry bombs being lobbed over. But this one really caught me and I was like okay it's official. Are black men capable of maintaining a loyal relationship? I don't speak for the black community, but i do think that a lot of black men they really don't know how to have true faithful relationships. They think because they have money because they have power that they can treat women any kind of way. Blondie love is saying things and that it's something we need to work on

04:10 We are still dealing with the point of slavery and we are descendants of slavery. And because our families were broken up, we still do not have an idea how to have together families because our families were broken up. Wow! Okay a lot of things in there first of all this is The Real isn't it? The talk show Yes, the real and that's Lonnie love yes who is Lonnie. I don't know her She's a black lady the heavyset black lady. Oh yeah, I know she is yeah alright got it right and Before this clip of maybe a month or two ago she let it be known that she's interracially dating mm-hmm older white man

04:58 I've noticed since then she's been throwing little you know a little baby jabs at black men, but she just really came out and To say a whole group of people a whole group of people that was not it was completely racist bigoted Yeah And if this would have happened and she came back and gave apology then this really wouldn't be a show But for her network Yeah, not to come out and make her apologize to a whole demographic of people. That let me know that this is sanctioned

05:35 Not maybe influenced or told to say this, but it's like okay. Yeah we can let that rock Did you see any pushback on Twitter or any other social media about what she said? Because I didn't see anything This set the black manosphere which is a thing It's more like Kind of like the MGTOW-ish. I don't want to put that label on them, but... Men going their own way? Yeah men go in their own way black man black people there are black positive towards black males All right wait i'm hearing a branding opportunity here because we need to be able to name this I understand what you're saying but there's no name for it yet

06:23 Well, there actually is a couple people have coined the term. That's why I call it the black manosphere but it set in on fire Oh really? Okay She said that she's interracial dating and she kind of made the excuse of why well she did something kind of nasty she like she kind of Said well you know this is all historical and its no man about the house Is what I guess she referred to No, wait a minute. She went all the way back to slavery which is bull crap because on this show we've discussed the time right after slavery black people had a high level of two parent

07:09 of households, marriage. And it declined in the 1940s 50 60's to where is the state it now so that was she was even incorrect in her analysis of why it was but my thing is for her to be able say that on a national television show And nobody made her apologize or walk it back or anything. That lets you know that it's open season on black men and the black patriarchy Not to belabor it, what is the name of her older boyfriend? I have no idea because he's not known

07:58 And that's the other thing, it's like you didn't get... Okay I'm looking at this. Well you know I'm naturally curious. Right. Okay his name is James Welsh alright okay boring guy all right let's onward! Okay so onward she's not the first person as i stated before that has said derogatory comments about men and sometimes when people say men, they only mean a specific group of men. We had a singer named K Michelle this I did a show on my YouTube channel where she says quote, I don't think man are good people so they pressed her on this topic on this radio show notice the radio black radio where she's propagating

08:50 this mindset and she said, oh no only good person I know is my dad. That's it. So after that I took this next clip went back and listened to see if i need to clip that part but it wasn't really God just expressed to you what she said but I felt this little nugget That I found interesting. I said, why are you asking me for security? You supposed to secure me. You the black man. Like why do I gotta be scared around here? You're supposed to protect babies and men. These men ain't protecting nobody. Why do you think that is? Cause they mamas ain't brave. And it's what they've seen if you don't know, you don't know. They haven't even seen better, you know for them to know how to do better

09:59 Alright, here's what I heard. And I heard a number of things the one that was I think would be quite offensive is their mama didn't raise him Did I nail it? Yeah that you don't and by the way You don't say that to a black mother. I don't care if it's true or not unless you want to get that shoe So here but she made a valid point who raised them right who raised these young men there are mothers for the majority Not fathers. Yeah, and this is the point This is really the point I want to make in this show and highlight in the show And we're not gonna be attacking anybody because it's not what were are really do a highlight how things are how they got that way Who was behind? It that's kind of like what we do on the show Oh, yeah So for her to say why did she say the father's?

11:02 Because that's what you would think, a man would get his male traits to protect and masculinity to be protected for women and children. Things of that nature... You'd say your father didn't teach you anything! Well I presume she is making it generalization that black men grow up without their fathers? Exactly And thats the root of the problem That is the root of the problem. How can you learn something for somebody that they're not there to teach you? Now, we're going to get into why we spoke about why no man in the house and it just became now it's cultural

11:42 It's cultural, but there was a period. I mean some things that happened in between the no man house period and now that we're really going to deep dive in because I know people like all we kind of covered this topic before yes We did but there was one segment of time That we didn't really get into But you probably wondering why is this a big issue? Why where did this really crop up at so I was Looking through some old clips I had and I found this interesting one from MSNBC and Donnie Deutsch. Oh, this guy!

12:18 That guy yeah, okay Donnie Deutsch former advertising executive here we go Donald Trump was the aggressor was taking it to her But he lost the debate and let me tell you why. It's very simple Okay This is no longer about politics this is a gender war okay? Right this is I've spent thousands of hours with in women focus groups and The Friday how did you sneak in? The Friday thing We don't have to redo it of grabbing a woman's dress. Every woman in America was, listen you would dismiss who was lensing that through lens as he was lurking behind, as Nicole Wallace said I would've called 911 As he was telling her he is going to jail her Women in America are gonna stand up and revolt It has always been about the women And there will be more to come The words didn't mean anything What every woman in America Who has ever been held down Oppressed

13:13 harassed. There is something in them, there's a nerve that is hits that so transcends everything else and if you're not seeing that you're missing the by the way it's not the point that men objectify women we don't know it's what they heard and saw okay where did how do you interpret this? This is a gender war well of course everybody's talking about world war three Iran no World War 3 is the gender war And it got hot 2016 or leading up into 2016, the election. That's when it went hot. It was cold but now this is where we're at and I know that's a stretch you like come on Moe but for a certain group of women to come out on television and target a whole demographic repeatedly woman after woman...I could have did 10 of these clips

14:15 celebrities quote-unquote celebrities saying sideways things towards black men. It's interesting you brought Donnie Deutsch in because what he I think specifically and what the morning Joe show that he's on, they really are or they believe and I think they're correct they are speaking to us white suburban moms so it is a gender war but right now you've got an old white dude Saying this but what I'm hearing here in your clip from the real is now we have black women basically trying to split off black women from black men yes, because they don't want that mindset of asking for Tangibles which tangibles is a logical thing You give me something for something return No, they want the emotional play so they need us out of the way and

15:12 So they can run their emotional script like they've been doing for ages because it doesn't work on this anymore. For the most part, I mean take that back it doesn't work on a sizable portion of the black male community. It doesn't work anymore and its funny you said that This is great why you said that You said MSNBC Morning Joe targets white suburban women That's my feeling It was something I couldn't clip because it was visual. So you have Mika, she mouths to a black female pundit that was on this panel.

15:48 Oh, that thing you said about white women is like it was really inaudible. So you couldn't really catch your lips and see what she's saying. She said the thing you said about white women and nodded And then the black female pundit dove right in. And it was like yeah White women finally can see about being victimized by Donald Trump with him saying grab them by their you know what now they can see the pain You know and then Mika give us okay sign like great. That's great Okay So I'll post it on my Twitter so people can see that clip, but it was just amazing. Like right on cue she sent you saying like get them and that's where we're at right now get them Right but at this point We are talking about talking heads and pundits on television who may have a different agenda and have a program they're running through

16:43 I don't know if this is, I doubt this is universal outside of television land and politics land. Or is it? Well we're going to investigate the influence of television. Ah good. And how it trickles down. How it fucks everybody up yes exactly! Right! So but Lonnie Love, she's not a political pundit. I mean she does daytime television which i think daytime television is some of the most powerful propaganda sometimes. I mean I'm off on weekdays um I used to be off for week days and I would just sit down watch it. I'm like holy crap

17:19 I mean, this is a straight up... Oh well you know i'm a view watcher so yeah. Right! Totally it's all massive propaganda and then shaming group thing shaming cancel culture oh yeah that's all there absolutely So I just took that away so we can't just poo-poo what Lonnie says And like I said what got me was most of the time the network was like well you need to go clean that out And that just goes to show you what they think about black men. Wow. We're not a demographic of any other group you could say, uh yeah lumberjacks can't maintain a lower relationship and then you know the lumberjack contingency would come out say oh you need to back off the lumberjacks and they would come out. You'd have a spokesman spokeshold at least you'd have someone right a union a group. The guy from Brawny. Yeah exactly all right

18:16 Alright, so uh one of your favorite guys Jason Whitlock. Oh yeah I love this guy he said from Fox Sports 1 FS1 Yes, but I found him doing an interview on a podcast called Skoon TV unscripted. Oh man now we know that on podcasts people always get loose and I think Whitlock is he talks really straight on mainstream TV so I can't wait to hear what he's got to say here. I'm a fan of this guy It's the honest truth about how to be set loose Whitlock won patriarchy. Believe in family, believe in the patriarchy and again I done told you that I am the patriarchy. I tell people up front you know and it...I pay a price for that with these woke women out here now but of I believe men and women have unique responsibilities and I'm willing to live up to mine

19:21 a man. I don't, and again unique responsibilities not unequal responsibilities unique responsibilities all the responsibilities that apply to a man i'm willing to take on okay fair enough so I think that was a clear statement of where if you had to say whether black patriarchy was We all know what our responsibility is and we're willing to, the guys that live up to that standard. And what does that mean? I gotta call you out Moe! What does that mean? What is the standard? What is that living up to?

20:04 Protecting women, protecting children. Being a provider. Being responsible for your actions using logic over emotion. It's very traditional approach to relationship. And this was the bedrock of the black community before you had second wave feminism come in and kind of drive a wedge there Now we're seeing the results of third wave and we're seeing the destruction of the black family structure. And this is where we're at, and it's like now with information age where people can pinpoint where we went wrong, people can go back read literature watch videos see stuff how things really went down and they can pinpoint it as I always not going to recreate or redo those mistakes

21:00 we want to fix it. So you have a lot of guys, a sizable number of guys that want to be fathers in their homes they want to be providers to the wives but to get what we respect and return thats where the rub is I wanted to lead off with that clip because men and women are equal they're not the same but they are equal And we have unique roles Oh man, you know that's so un-woke of you. I mean that's...I'm just saying there is an additional dynamic to this is what you see as a traditional or the roles and the relationship which I am not disagreeing with um..is so traditional it actually not woke And I think there is brain fry going on with some people

21:59 When you want that. This is the new woke and reason why I say it, woke is used to mean counterculture. And patriarchy in the black community is the new counter culture masculinity is the new counterculture. Not toxic in the form of masculinity or bravado and being a really gangster, whatever you want to call it. But literally patriarchal! Funny enough that's exactly what they're requesting. The request is patriarchy oh no this is brain fry

22:46 Yeah, but let's get here some more Jason. Jason Whitlock black family all kinds of decisions are being made all kinds of new cultural norms are being established that perhaps you don't agree with and But your running around chasing after Trump and don't even care about that all your cultural norms are being reshaped and again we have created particularly, it's throughout American society but it's most acute in our society. We have been convinced as black men and women that we don't need each other. That's the most toxic poisonous dangerous

23:37 creation we can have. We're on the precipice of self-destruction if that takes root Wow so here's the thing however other people want to live their lives it doesn't bother me I've voiced my opinion on it should be a parent in the home and apparent that works, I think that's the best situation now that's not ideal for everybody because of financial reasons I'm not saying one gender is obligated to stay at home and one genders not, but i think traditionally one parent should be able to stay at home. And just to point that out um what we should be fighting for instead of the gauge on the uh was the wage gap? We should be fighting for a wage where families can live off in one income yeah! No kidding

24:32 If we all got on the same page, you know. But the power structure doesn't want that That's why I said this is World War 3 and it's being fought in the kitchens and the living rooms in the bedrooms inside the homes When you say the power structure doesn't want that What don't they what for what reason does the power structure not want that? All right Here's my theory just my theory Okay after World War 2 And we heard some of this on the show. Black men came back from World War II wanting to have a piece of American pie, right? Because it was to be had I mean, we had the spoils of war going into 1950s that was like the ideal American time minus the race stuff just American life when you watch American television You know, you had two cars and white picket fence and then 2 1⁄2 kids everything which is perfect

25:34 What did that lead to? The 1960s where you had the generation of free thinkers and they said, no we can't have that anymore. We need to keep everybody so stressed financially and otherwise that they can't produce free thinkers is that crazy? No I did not at all Not at all. So I think that was the problem and they looked in the 60s like, oh this is what prosperity breeds a bunch of free thinkers! But it's pretty short-sighted this current strategy but i guess certainly in power and politics everything is short sighted to short cycle yeah I mean because they're going to profit anyway no I mean they just too big to lose not use

26:29 cliche but they really are too big to lose so I mean it's not about profits then, it's about control. Right yes no yeah desperate times desperate measures and all in full-in chop away And speaking of control, one of the control mechanisms is... Well Jason speaks on that and Whitlock too. Again you gotta social media is not the real world in my view that is a world controlled by Silicon Valley and how white liberals and other liberal activists how they want us to be perceived

27:08 is what social media is. Particularly Twitter and the whole black twitter phenomenon that they created, that perception that there's a black twitter and that black twitter has a monolithic liberal voice... That's a created thing! Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm in gray Twitter and I see a lot of interesting conversations certainly not a lot of agreement that's...I don't see one big block but that is what it can be perceived as and shaped as and called for sure. And this is the council culture this is the control mechanism that we were speaking about how you can basically control people's thoughts

27:51 Yeah, in a way. It's like if it doesn't fly on Twitter you'll start to self-censor. It's like oh that's not trending or this is trending or this is trending negatively so now I need to recalibrate Exactly even better than that And this is just my view of what I call the machine. But if you can get and you just as you said, try this no didn't work get this Oh, I got something going. God will he? I'm trending now and then oh Can I get it to spill over onto cable television that happens You know Then it's great because then the whole machine goes Then the clips are put on Twitter and then it's just a perpetual motion Just a cycle that goes over and over again and can get really strong like a cyclone

28:34 And we've seen this because Miss Loni Love's statement, you can go on Twitter and find this statement anywhere. It's just that it has become so comfortable on social media now it is being said for public consumption across the airwaves. But my biggest thing was the lack of apology, then that means in the place where a legal gets called for everything it's like what does legal have to say about this? Yeah and I don't think you're obviously I don't think you're like personally outraged and offended but you're looking at the facts of it no apology requested. Okay this is messaging My point exactly. My feelings weren't hurt at all. I mean they can keep lying whoever whatever

29:19 Dude, I think it's punishment enough you gotta watch the real. That's pretty harsh! Yeah... that's hard But it's not only on social media that the powers-that-be they as we refer to them lovingly They want to control Other forms of entertainment and that's lit with lock 3.1 You know, you said something about masculinity a few times you referenced it right now The NFL is a very masculine sport Is it not without question? It's the most masculine thing in pop culture And it's the most powerful thing in pop culture are there some sort of effort underway to

30:10 emasculate NFL players, black NFL players? They look... the NFL is the largest showcase of black masculinity we've ever seen in America. It's the most popular show on Fox ESPN ABC, NBC and CBS. That's five television networks that the NFL is the number one show on. That's unprecedented in pop culture! That's unprecedented in television history and so it's a showcase of black male masculinity and I just don't think some people are comfortable with that.

30:54 I know a couple things, but man if they start to mess with most football. Man now it is going to get personal They already have and that was the thing with the Colin Kaepernick thing It was about discordianism It was about okay if we could push this agenda then what's next? As I've said before We're always the first through the door The race thing is always the first through the door And then we're left holding the door for every other ideology to come through. So it's like, if this Colin Kaepernick thing flies then the doors open you know? We can wedge everything else in to attack the most masculine thing in American pop culture as Whitlock said and its the biggest television show on tele-tv. Number one on five stations by

31:49 you know, by a landslide. You know? So that was the... We're seeing it start to materialize. It's the beginning of the end! Well I think that was the flag was planted. It was like no, you're not going to touch my NFL. Not because of some self-righteous thing. That's our only escape left is sports. Right. NFL being in their biggest mental escape because when you work a nine to five, 40 hours a week Saturday is meant for the family and Sunday's meant for my football. No I'm just telling you the average American that's as American as apple pie! I'm not out of touch Moe. Let me give you some perspective a little inside baseball um here we go black churches in

32:55 schedule around football. Oh this is true inside baseball and we're talking about football, this is a good one I like it! This is...I did not realize okay all right Black Church usually starts at 10 30 11 o'clock right? AM but on Super Bowl Sunday well no 12 45 you're looking at your watch you looking that the pastor kickoff is at one. And the pastor's looking back going, I know kickoffs at one right? Normally there's a car. I mean uh people usually congregate outside and chat you know and no not doing football season it's like wow just for perspective my dad used to drive a separate car to leave early on time now he wouldn't leave early but

33:51 That's a good story. But that just tells you how powerful football is because it's symbolic of war, I mean it gets the juices going. And I want to remind people who are listening because you know you and I just shooting the shit with each other but there are people listening whenever Mo says inside baseball pay attention That's time to take it off 1.5 times speed, slow it down to one because you're going to learn something I love this one good nugget Mo Yeah so that was his hands-off and thats why he saw such a push back not only among white males but black males like dude your messing with my football you went too far Boycott football? Are you crazy? That was real sentiment

34:42 I digress and we'll let Jason continue on toxic masculinity. And, I think if you look at our society as a whole there's an attack on masculinity they say there is an attack on toxic masculinity i say there's an attack just on masculinity in general and football in terms of pop culture is the head or the snake and yeah I think football under attack for those political reasons. Wow! What is the goal to emasculate such a masculine sport? Should we start playing flag football?! Well, I think there's a group or part of society that has decided that men are the cause of all problems in the world and let's say that's true

35:38 But you also got to give men then credit for the good things in the world. If they get all the blame for everything bad, give them all the credit for everything that's good and so don't try it well... The bad things are all on y'all and we gotta... The good things are on us! You know I'm a little torn because I thought it was just the white guys who were the problem And yeah..and I was kind of bearing the brunt of that and now I gotta share with you? What the hell? No, no. This is not discussed or well known We're about to get into the victim Olympics here We've been dealing with this for so long It's just like now you're just seeing it and Stephen A Smith says something

36:38 It's not exactly correct, but it's catchy the way he says it. He says when white people get a cold black people get the flu I think that's how he says it and whenever you see your problem cropping up we're the what is the thing? It slips my mind called the lead indicator. Yeah canary in the coal mine Yes, black people in general and black men in this case are the lead indicator. Pay attention what's going on here. I am believe me I am even if I don't like football I get it because I see the problem. This is the lead indicator of

37:23 Well, okay. I'll let Jason Whitlock explain it new leadership the world and there's an element of the world that wants to usher in a New leadership female leadership across the world It's like the time for man has passed in their mind And so again if there's going to be an attack on any group or black people are gonna be the first people up to get attacked and so I feel like now, no white guys will disagree with this because i hear them crying all the time they feel like they're under their hardest attack and im like man y'all don't even know really? So now I get attacked by my fellow man cause I did exactly the same thing. Alright well you know what thank you Mo thanks for bringing this because I was truly

38:18 bigoted in thinking that yeah, this is just the white man who was hated and now it turns out I get to share and Maybe there's a couple of tips maybe there's a few things that you've already Witnessed experienced and learned that you could pass on. That's why we're doing this show No, I know what I'm saying. Yes, this is the specific show. This is why we're doing it because There is a war going on. You might not have been drafted yet, you might have not been on the front lines yet but there is definitely... I think for older people and when I say older my age and older we don't experience it as much because we went through the mating ritual in a different time. No, I'm definitely removed from this for sure

39:18 But the younger people, I'd say 30 and under. They are going through this and it's man, I would not want to be single now. And I know that sounds weird because most people all men if I could do it or no, I don't. I would not want to have the date in this environment because is the environment itself is toxic? It's not a masculinity is the interaction between The two sexes this toxic There's a lot going on for sure. Yes, but as we always do we have to go back and say where did this come from? What was the source of it so I did a little digging This is on Brooklyn TV A television show called BK live and it discusses black radical feminists over the years I mean the women in this exhibition

40:16 Many of them were part of organizations that were quote unquote mainstream feminists. They were in dialogue I don't at all want to create the impression this was like a deep schism and there was no interaction because in fact The model that I would use that Katherine and I my co-curator have come up with is much more of a Venn diagram It's like some these people appear in so many different places they would maybe be involved with Ms. Magazine which was founded by Gloria Steinem and Letty Pogrebin, a very kind of mainstream feminist publication but you know Faith Ringgold appears in that publication Alice Walker was an editor Toni Morrison wrote many kind of our iconic figures black women feminists appeared in that publications mm-hmm well yes I know it's coming when you mentioned Gloria Steinem I think we've brought it up on the show before haven't we

41:04 Yes, this is these next two clip of throwback clips but we have to do it for perspective and just to really Ask the lady said on the last clip miss magazine as MS Magazine Oh It employed a ton of black feminists in the era. The 1970s 1980s and these women went they're going to be um the pinnacle of black feminism. And it had a source, which is Gloria Steinem but Gloria Steinem had an interesting connection.

41:46 Well, exactly when did your own association with the CIA start and in what fashion? Did they come to you or did you go to them? In 1958 when I came home from India. I discussed with student leaders past and present many of them active with the National Student Association this kind of small foundation to encourage Americans to go They thought it was a good idea too I was then told by foundations and professors and friends that it, that i should not do this. That I would get in trouble with the House of American Activities Committee the American Legion all of those 50 people And I became convinced that it was impossible

42:36 It was at that point that the student leaders said to me, that they had in the past received funds for international programs from The CIA and if they felt this was important and could also be partly funded by the CIA. Oh there's such a philanthropic organization those CIA guys We just feel it's good don't worry It's good work So Gloria she Obviously connected to the CIA. Well I love how she, when I came back from India I was approached by the CIA things that don't happen to most people because I came back from India Right and it's just that but what you would have to what most people will believe and even I brought this up with my mother

43:25 And she didn't even know this. And just for perspective, my mom came up through the broad burning era She actually participated in that mindset which made for interesting dinner conversations between her and my father which was a very... I'm sure he was not super stoked about it No, when I told her this she was like what? She didn't know about the CIA connection to the whole movement. Very little people know about this connection Wow and she was shocked did she feel like she probably been a bit manipulated once you told her that Yes yes because these women that were listed in the previous clip

44:12 were icons for women her age, just like they're even icons for women in present day. They still selling their books. They're still giving speeching engagements. Well Jane Fonda still has an active career she was a part of the gang back then? Exactly so it's just that they created these icons to basically mislead our pushing the agenda. So let's just get into part two of this clip. Particular points of view to put forward, which would have been much more restricting than the CIA funds were free. I mean no one was told what to say. You didn't mean they were free you meant it was easier for you to work for the CIA than a private organization? That's right and and the reason i think that comes as a surprise

45:07 as it did to me at the time. I mean, i had the conventional liberals view of the CIA is a right-wing incendiary group and i was amazed to discover that this was far from the case that they were enlightened liberal nonpartisan activists of the sort who characterize the Kennedy administration for instance. Yeah, wow I played that clip just to let people all go people say oh CIA that's when you think see how you think American dad You know, that prototype. But these were very liberal thinking people and it was passing around funds to propagate their ideologies with that said one name wasn't mentioned in the rundown of the radical black feminist was Michelle Wallace have you heard of Michelle Wallace before?

46:09 Yes, this name rings a bell. Have we talked about her before on the show? A smidgen but she's very important to this narrative where we're headed yet. Michelle Wallace she is best known for her 1979 book Black Macho and the Myths of the Superwoman. Oh yeah, okay And this is like one of the feminist bibles for modern day third wave feminists So it says here I'm just going off the wiki here It just says that macho black macho was published in 1979 It criticized sexism in the black community and black nationalism In the 1960's

47:05 Remember we had a show about black nationalism when with Malcolm X, he was talking about we need to be self-sufficient. And all of a sudden here comes this woman with this book basically tearing it down in a way she called the men hyper masculine, hyper sexualized inordinately strong black women unfazed, that's what the superwoman was. It was an inordinately strong black woman unphased by white racism which is weird because I don't want to get ahead of myself but i will. While you were talking and listening and also looking through some of her career and getting a much better picture of Miss Wallace here. I think the reason why she is lost to history

47:57 She is really, her work is out there but her herself has lost to history. And the reason why I say that if they have no problem with the black macho part but the superwoman part it's actually a archetype now. Right! Beyonce Yes an orderly strong black woman unfazed by white racism which what brings to mind to me is Scandal Olivia Pope Oh, like I said Beyonce Oprah Michelle Obama. Yeah, I mean there's lots of Lots of superwomen right so I think they embrace the Superwoman part So they didn't want to say the myth of the Superwoman? So I think that's like you kind of got a sly her to the side and then were other reason that we'll get into but um

48:48 Let's just get into the bio of Ms. Michelle Wallace. She became famous in 1979 when at 27 she published the book Black Macho and the Myths of The Superwoman, a book in which she criticized black nationalism and sexism. She completed her PhD in 1999 at NYU in cinema studies Her topic for dissertation was Passing, Lynching and Jim Crow U.S Visual Culture 1895 to 1927 in which she wrote extensively about early film including Uncle Tom's Cabin Birth of a Nation and the silent films of Oscar Mischief. She has written a ton of books

49:33 uh... but also she's been the editor of multiple values she had a pet professor currently at city college new york and where she teaches i think semester in this semester and the policy mister she will be teaching it course on twenty more sense So that's her bio and I know you guys like, oh man. That sound quality is horrible Well when I went to go dig for miss Michelle Wallace the only interview I could find of her on YouTube Was some lady in her kitchen interviewing her via Skype? On Skype or something, yeah I could hear the digits. Yeah! I know you were like... I know your an audiophile so what the hell but that's it and that where she has been marginalized She has been whitewashed dare i say Whiteballed! She is being white balled

50:30 So, but that's weird. It's like the mother of this book that was so pivotal and it was pivotal don't get it wrong um... It was two books we're gonna discuss in that time period uh this being the first one she made to cover Miss Magazine That was a huge thing yeah so she's basically just It's just not doesn't I mean if you don't exist on YouTube do you exist at all really? it's exactly if you don't have a Body, I mean cuz everybody has VHS tapes. They're uploading and yeah I mean listen to some of the things we put on this show that were captured in You know the most obscure places and this is modern-day. I'm Anthony them that interview May was like two or three years old

51:25 You're Skyping with a lady? I'm not the... But she was also Essence Magazine's editor-at-large in 83. Uh huh. Columnist for The Village Voice in the mid 90s, this is a published... She's published but even this stuff is like wow that's uh I guess and you know and all because of the myth of the superwoman part probably That's what I assume and there are other reasons that we'll get into. She has really been cancelled, like for real? Yeah, buried by history but let's get into her legacy So what do you want your legacy to be because

52:08 everything is changing but the work and the significance of your work is not changing. Your work is still significant if not more than it was 20, 25, 30 years ago so what would you like for your legacy to be? Well I don't know It saddens me somewhat that black macho is still so deeply relevant for young black women. I mean, for a long time I was in denial about that you know what could you all possibly know about what this was like but apparently it's still going on and That saddened me have you had a chance to read the book many? You know well if you come across it

52:56 No, I haven't came out. I'm actually going to order a copy. I was gonna say i'm thinking I want to read this yeah, I actually do too. I do too. I mean I've saw uh Numerous videos of people discussing the book and the impact it would have had on them But I would like to read it for myself. Uh just gotta gotta find the time. I mean just be honest with you Oh, but yeah hmm, but at the same time so she got lost in history and I couldn't find anything else about her. So, I mean, I dug deep...deep! Deep in- No, no you do your research. There's no doubt about that. No doubt. Interesting But while digging for her and clips on her, I found this clip and just to say to people take the speaker with a grain of salt but the content I have verified

53:54 In 1978, Gloria Steinem put a book called Black Macho and the Myth of the Superwoman on the cover of Ms. Magazine The book was written by a black feminist and activist named Missale Wallace who came out of nowhere Wallace was in her early 20's at that time yet she was being touted as the leader of black feminism In the book, Wallace called abolitionists like Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth ugly and stupid for supporting black men. She called black revolutionaries chauvinist macho pigs. and advised black women to go it alone. Gloria Steinem said that Wallace's book would define the future of black relationships, and she pushed hard to make sure the book received massive publicity. Gloria Steinem's work triggered a flood of hate-black men books in films that continues to this day. Needless to say some were quite suspicious of Ms Magazine and Gloria Steinem Why was Steinem sticking her nose into the affairs of the Black community? So people started doing some research on Steinem

54:54 When it came out that Glorious Dynam was probably the ghost writer of the book with Michelle Wallace's name on it, Wallace had a nervous breakdown and went into hiding for two years. Oh! Moe you were keeping this from me nice one must be very hard when I ask these questions you already know what's coming up next okay oh this is great no idea about this If my mom was a big Gloria Steinem fan, I mean she now I got to what do I have 15 years on you? 10 but think she was icon for a lot of when I'm because if you just take it at face value as we Take all the leaders. You know, I mean you could say the same thing for MLK or else We don't understand the powers that are behind them that are propelling them on the TV screen being What training is now mm-hmm

55:48 So to be on a front page of a popular magazine, that's kind of like trending number one on Twitter now. But also Ms Magazine, a black feminist and certainly in that time and there must have been phenomenal! And it's interesting because everything That that I heard here would work perfectly in today's world except for you know the myth of the superwoman, of course But maybe they can do an abridged version of the book No myth yeah It's like yeah. You know you don't understand it but I am I am Superwoman yes Yeah so There we have it uh? It seems that she was backed by some

56:38 nefarious agenda. Well worse, I mean this is claiming that she was a phony even! That this book was written indirectly by the CIA and you wonder if you wrote a killer book? You should be able to at least Maintain a career as a writer. I'm not saying you mean lightning only strikes once, you know It never strikes twice But you should be able to at least maintain and have other works that would write in some stuff here Yeah, yeah that would at least no keep your momentum going but she just disappeared now what would the benefit be? Before the before the powers-that-be to do this so if the CIA is supporting

57:20 is supporting this indirectly or actually quite directly through Gloria Steinem who may or may not have written it but certainly promoted it. What is the agenda? Is the agenda again just control, it's still control? Hang with me now while I'm here. No, no, I'm gonna ask you a question but I want to think about as in then and now okay okay we're going to go off couple few shows back when Malcolm X was talking about Black people were not voting, because that was black nationalism. Not voting and doing it for ourselves and having our own thing... And then she comes out with this book attacking black nationalism If a white person says black nationalism is bad That doesn't really do anything! I mean yeah of course it's bad It's no good for you Second point

58:20 Gloria Steinem, she said she was surprised by what made up the CIA. You would think it'd be this super conservative organization but it was really a large group of liberal thinking people. Right right right right So if Malcolm X says the liberals are the problem... Gotcha That you've been voting for! He's got to go and his ideology has to go with them because you mean, you can kill the man but the bigger thing is killing the ideology. Now getting your time machine and come to 2020 all right? And you can see while The black male patriarchy is under attack again because the black male patriarchy Is loosely based in Black nationalism In a way and it's weird because

59:14 You hear white nationalism. I was gonna say, if i called you a black nationalist that would make me a white nationalist by default you know what I'm saying? Yeah! It's really funny and we're equal in the same people eyes yeah except uh...I could get stoned to death for saying it Yeah, but it's the same sentiment towards me. Of course! No of course no of course global good national bad But holy crap you know Moe it actually is a government plot We're not we're not conspiracy theorists were not just paranoid they're actually out to get us yes And I'm here to warn you Thank You Thanks Just in time All right so um

1:00:04 Where are we at? Okay, so for every polar there needs to be a polar opposite. Thank you and this in the same time There was a lady named Shahrzad Ali And she wrote a book A very pivotal book Let me find the name of it Very inflammatory book Also The Black Man's Guide To Understanding The Black Woman It was For this book, it was written in 1989. So that's what 10 years later? Because as you heard the man, the speaker before say Michelle Wallace book set off a bunch of black male hate writings so naturally I remember her

1:00:55 I know you do. Well also, I was working in New York and where our studios were Donna Hugh and Sally Jessie Raphael maybe that's not Donna Hugh I think is a good example And who's the other the one who married Connie Chung Maury Maury Povich? Yes Yeah, I recognize that the headgear like oh yeah, I remember her Very iconic she got like a lightning bolt. Yeah, yes It's like an African Queen thing going on there yeah But she was hated But let's listen to her on her own though. Understandably created a firestorm of controversy within the black community and we have assembled a distinguished group to debate its premise and its message, basically that the black woman is responsible for most of what ails the black community now before we get into what promises to be a passionate debate I'd like to introduce you to Debbie Mitchell the co-producer of this program

1:01:57 Debbie, I want to start. I know it's unusual but i want to start with two questions To you the producer of the program first of all what do You think about The basic premise Of The book that the black woman is responsible for most of What Ails the Black Community First of All Black Men and Black Women Know That the black Community Is under Strange right now and For Shahar Azad a black Woman to basically attack black women. I think that she's putting blame, it seems like she's putting blame on them for the state of the situation." Are you frightened by this book? I mean are people reading it?" Yeah people are reading it specifically younger black males. I see a lot of them on trains when I'm coming into work their heads are glued to the books and its scary." Hmm... It's scary!

1:02:46 Okay, I didn't use much from that show for her all to accept that introduction. That was the introduction. That's how the show started off right Even he said it's unusual So you bring a guest on? You don't let me tell what you think The book is about and you don't let the guests speak and then you go to your producer your producer producer This is kind of unusual But I want to ask you two questions about this book that we haven't even talked about yet. That's not strange at all Well, it's of course. Yeah so they went when she made the rounds that's what she got all I mean I watched pretty much all of them Geraldo and like you said Donna Hugh The three they had on YouTube was Geraldo or Donna Hugh and there was another one I can't remember So what is her deal? What is her background where does she coming from well her background is She wrote several books. She's author

1:03:52 This was her biggest book by far. She has, she comes from the teachings of the nation of Islam just to give you some perspective for our ideology but yeah it's well The thing I did is kept digging and I found this obscure interview she had with WFU SU in 1991, which was like it's kind of like a public access. Yes, I know and she was sitting down with this black contemporary kind of professional female so it was okay It was a good long form interview

1:04:38 And let's get into clip one from that segment. what leads up to the breakdown. We've never gone back to try and find out what happens in the relationship between a black man and a black woman that makes him go off and do all of these bad things, to assume that this is just normal natural behavior for a black man would be to assume he is naturally bad. And I do not believe that the man God gave us as a mate is a naturally bad person so I wanted to try examine what goes on with him? What's his side of story?

1:05:32 to write this book? with a little apprehension because they have not had a champion. We have never had a black woman who actually stood up and said, I'm standing up for the black man side of the story. Uh we know what our side is and both sides are true. We have done some very dreadful things to each other and I don't exonerate black men which is kind of a misconception that people have. I just say that we know his side. What about our side? And we do have a side. Wow

1:06:12 So that, if you listen to the Geraldo clip she's attacking black women and... I know it was very different. Now two things i want to say first thing some of the things in her book are very inflammatory. I'm not gonna poo-poo it and act like she's, you know what i'm saying? No! Some of the things but...I wanted to bring perspective so people can see even in the late 1980s you had people saying hey there is this divide that going on and its very problematic for black community yeah what are you doing? And we might want start looking at both sides which

1:06:56 It's okay, you could say black men leave their kids and they're drunks and they're drug addicts. But it's all a generalization white men get drunk and beat their wives and beat their children I mean that that's also a generalization This is true but its okay to say that every- The whole world can say that about black man They don't take care of their kids I mean its like unexpected If you tell somebody, you got a dad's like oh really? Okay but hold on. So that's with black Americans that's the way... That's the general thinking is that what you're telling me or you said the whole world it's everybody Yes! The whole world is everybody because that's the narrative That's all you see Maury has made a mint off of the paternity test game show

1:07:54 Let's be honest here. Yeah, okay? No you did absolutely that That was probably the Maury Povich show in particular probably set black America back by 20 years just by that constant or let's say not put it back but held it at a standstill in the 90s with that bullcrap mind you holy crap that was entertaining to watch but yeah right it was pretty much all black women doing it y'all your damn man Ricky Blake

1:08:30 Yeah, another another fine example. He's a sorry man you know he won't do anything so Well it was the fraternity test in particular that wow yeah You're right and that just that just exacerbated it oh wow never even thought about it still goes on I tell people this all the time About and this is another great function of his show If I'm a white person and I only watch broadcast television, only broadcast. Just say I don't buy cable This is what i get local news black people did something bad uh Then then You go to your daytime television jerry mori Steve what it will code Jerry Springer

1:09:20 You know, black people don't take care of... Black men don't take care of the kids. Black men... you know these are the images I'm showing all day and then local news come on again right? Local news goes off! I might get in a family feud with some Steve Harvey how he's one of the good black guys and then law order. Black man killed somebody. Sounds like a day jam-packed full of fine entertainment Moe It's very entertaining, but it is also saturating your mental and if you don't have interactions with real black people that is the mentality that you have. So much so that even black people start to believe this. And then it becomes common like you asked before about television where these thoughts

1:10:11 processes come from, it enters through the television. We've heard that on the previous shows about no man in the house what they say is the kids locked into projects their only window out was what? The television! Right well I find...I am so fortunate that i was able to find one of the few Black men who has a stable family and is married and has a mom and dad and in a job a job I don't you may be dealing drugs, but I'm not sure. I think you have a real job. It's I mean I'm such a lucky guy take care of my kids Oh No, it keeps on going You know have you done at 23andme this man are you sure those kids are yours? I just want to check well

1:10:55 Right, or am I sure I'm black? Well we had that question the other day. That was fantastic on Twitter we had... it seemed he was just trolling kind of but the guy's like I'd like to show but i'm not so sure Moe is black and I don't want have two white guys talking about black issues and Moe's like uh okay But then the guy, he posted a video of himself. It's just adorable! I get you... Great guy! Yeah, I get you. But did you unmask yourself? Was that a picture-I've never seen you was that a picture of you that you posted? No That's what i thought Moe is a handsome guy and no it can't be possible And its not that im hiding

1:11:46 One, I don't even take selfies. I think that's the most vain thing. Dude you don't have to qualify yourself to anybody at all No no no! That's the other thing The more you double down on it, the more I'm gonna bullheaded like that so it ain't gonna work But the cue we say hello We know your listening We know your here Yes, we know your here Thank you for joining us So, but here's the problem. Go back to the Geraldo clip what did the lady say? I'll see him on the trains The young black man's head are buried in this book Well miss Charizard Ali has had a reemergence on social media being YouTube Oh Black men are going through that same cycle again It's like what's going off it This is new The old is new again Yeah

1:12:33 and she's getting speaking engagements and propagating her message. But let's get back to exactly what that message is in clip two. And saying all of this, as calling yourself a champion and having if I may say the courage to write this book and stand by it you've caused a stir! This book is very controversial What are you hearing from public reaction? Well I don't think there is any issue among black women about whether or not the book is true or not, the issue is that I was not supposed to tell. These are inside secrets and things that we have never let our men know about and many times we say he can't handle me

1:13:12 Well, many times he can't handle us because he doesn't know what it is. He's trying to handle...He doesn't understand what motivates us we have become very adept many of us as being able to Do something right in front of his eyes and then convince him that that's not what he really saw at all And that it didn't happen so we've kept him kind of confused Wow What does that called? There's a term for I call it psychological abuse No, it says specific terms used by MK ultra no Please maybe you want to listen to it again. Well, I mean maybe 30 last 30 seconds in the clip Okay gas lighting oh yeah, I never use that term yes of course that's got a Technical term not not the way people use it now

1:14:04 But the technical term of gaslighting is what she explained. It's exactly what you said, yeah well let me just in the last it's worth listening to the last 30 seconds. Yeah okay go ahead. He can't handle me but many times he can't handle us because he doesn't know what it is he's trying to handle. He doesn't understand what motivates us we have become very adept many of us as being able to do something right in front of his eyes and then convince him that that's not what he really saw at all and that it didn't happen so we've kept him kind of confused Wow Well it wasn't supposed to be Donald Trump no yes That's what they do oops yeah I'm also seeing you're right. She is having a resurgence mm-hmm she's back everywhere She's only she's only 65 so she's got a lot of spunk left in her oh

1:15:10 This will be an important clip. We'll just call it the gaslighting clip, that'll be an important one. So when somebody tells you yeah I... You did so and so on like what? For people that don't know what gas lighting is When you do something then you act like you didn't do it And it confuses the person their senses Where was that behavior learned from Was that a tactic passed down? Who knows, but it's just... She said it. I didn't say it. She said it. I just pointed out the term. Just because it's nice to know the term gaslighting originated from a play in 1938 called Gas Light In which a character tries to make his wife believe and this is interesting because That's why I probably wouldn't have come up with gas lighting because traditionally It's seen as something men do to women

1:16:10 The character tries to make his wife believe she's gone insane to cover his own criminal activity. When he turns up the gas-fueled lights in the upstairs apartment in order to search for a murdered woman's jewels, the gas lights in his own apartment grow dimmer but he convinces his wife she is just imagining the change That's where the term Gaslighting comes from Thank you for that little tidbit, because I didn't know where the source of it came from. I just know it was a popular tactic. That helps to remember when you read these things, I find once you've read the etymology then it helps Yeah, I won't forget that. It'll stick with me but that's what she just described and now you have a man that is confused and you said that

1:16:54 Let's not use the word man, what a man typically does to woman. Let's say the dominant party does to the subservient party. Yeah they flipped the genders in our race! Hello? Spinning. Spinning. Alright clip three. And in your book you say that we are not bringing up our daughters and our sons in a correct manner to respect their fathers? No, we're not. Unfortunately as I say since money has been used as the measure many times if a black man does not have money to give us We won't even let him see his children. We won't let him spend any time with it because he does not give us

1:17:42 whatever the child support is. And I'm not saying that we don't need money to raise a child, but I tried to explain to black women that raising a child consists of much more than feeding clothing and sheltering it. That's maintaining one. To raise one you need the return of the parental coalition of the father and mother to put the proper values into the child. Many when we raise them alone. They grow up with the female emotional mechanism, they are suspicious, they're doubtful, they're disrespectful of womanhood, they are bitchy, they can't make a decision and many of our girls who grew up in a home where there's no man present, they go out into the world and try to mate, they don't have any idea how to live with a man day-to-day, how to prepare proper meals, how to be a mother, how to just being love in their home most of what our people and our children especially have learned about how you have a relationship, they learned off television

1:18:30 And television doesn't represent our needs. And so a lot of the confusion has come from outside agencies that we have not recognized how detrimental it has been to us as people Yeah, TV has screwed everybody over. But this is in this topic in particular and then I we're not done yet but for me the takeaway is really gonna be the DNA test on the Jerry Springer show and Maury Povich that how destructive that was And all we did is sat there and laughed our asses off. And it's two things that happened In the 19...I wanna say 90s That really changed

1:19:12 paternity and the drug culture. One, and these were seismic events one you just mentioned the DNA test because before a father could just get up I'm going to get a pack of cigarettes you never see him again right he didn't have to take care his kids that was like that was like the running black comedian joke. My dad wouldn't give cigarettes, I ain't seen him since and you know that was the thing but when DNA came about now you which i think is a great thing I have three daughters and if anybody uh was their father or children by one of them I would want them to be held responsible to take care of their responsibilities but what it did was now its leverage its leverage like okay

1:20:06 I can prove you're the father. We spoke about this on another show, and then it made Family Court a two." Oh Neil! I never watched that but there's another one! Another piece of the puzzle Family court. Oh brother family court is now or two as a collection agency and it's like if you don't have my money, you won't see the kids and Most of time is not based off the kids It's based off of one party still wants to be with the other party And in that party doesn't want to be with them So I'm gonna make your life hard yeah as we heard it's called weaponizing the children right?

1:20:49 Now, just can I go off on a tangent? Look 30 second tangent here. The drug culture used to didn't be violent it was okay if i get caught with whatever drug xyz whatever it is I'll go do my two three years and not come home right but when they started giving mandatory minimums 20 years that's when it became violent yes The timing makes sense. Because now you have to die because you can cost me 20 years in the federal penitentiary I'm just going to show you how these small changes in legal processes had ripple effects

1:21:41 In general, these types of policies decisions like we've talked before with busing to schools. But the same could be said for the Federal Reserve and their monetary policy. Guess what? These fuckers have no clue! No one knows. We don't know what the unintended consequences are you just don't know. You can only learn from the mistake and I think as we're learning here a lot has been learned from these mistakes Sadly, it seems like they're going to be re-implemented for the same political power games and gain and maybe even modernized to a degree. Well luckily Family Court has changed significantly because as I said before when you get a cold we get the flu so now

1:22:36 Other races of men get drugged through family court. It's like oh now we need to make a change Well, we've been dealing with this for I mean and mostly it's poor man because I mean I'll say this last thing and will go to the next clip Donald Trump has what five baby mamas? Yeah, four baby mama. Yes something like that None of them have said anything bad about him because he can provide no So that goes to show you when you have the money and the means, you can't weaponize paternity against a man. Just to point that out. But just get back on the TV show, daytime TV show wave there's one guy that I love and his name is Mr Judge Joe Brown and he did a episode on unscripted, Skoon TV Unscripted podcast that I would just love to share with you guys. Let's talk about emasculation. Why? Who is behind it

1:23:39 Right now I would say that the people have been propagandized for a 50-year period and a lot of people who don't even realize it are behind it. The Nazis studied American movies in the American movie industry, and they said they've got it going on with propaganda. That propaganda used to be about doing the right thing for the right reasons what happened if you didn't sometimes when you did the right thing, the nobility of suffering the consequences for doing the right thing or the ignominy of suffering the consequences for doing a wrong thing they were laid out. So they took the American propaganda engine and they refined it and they developed a precept that is

1:24:28 Very evident today tell a lie long enough loud enough and you can get anyone to believe it That's Josef Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda Hold on a second. That's not how you pronounce the name! We all know that. Hold on a second, let me go to the Reverend Al for the correct pronunciation of what I would say is Goebbels but here's Al Sharpton. Gergel and the Third Reich? Yes, Gergel. Very interesting that

1:25:07 I don't know if that's necessarily true, that Goebbels saw the US Hollywood machine and said that's what we're gonna do. You guys got it going on? I don't know. Personally, I always thought it was the other way around with Operation Paperclip We brought a bunch of those guys over including Wernher von Braun and he went on to create The Space Program And I think from there who was, I'm blanking now, Freud's cousin. Oh yeah, if you want to say something because we covered him in the last show or previous show It'll come to me... Bernays! Edward Bernays. Edward Bernays yes, Edward Bernays Now I ask you this question maybe we didn't have the payload but we had the delivery system For sure Yes You're right Very good point

1:26:07 So they were like, wow. Like we could just put our warhead on that delivery system. This would be gangbusters! Yeah so Judge Joe Brown he's very... has great insight and he's another what we're seeing here Jason Whitlock, Judge Joe Brown, Shahrzad Ali these pro-patriarch Talking heads. I hate to use that word, but can't think of a better one are resurfacing Yeah, nobody's heard from Judge Joe Brown in many years he was on daytime television and and Very competitive just to give you perspective of how successful He was he was competitive with judge Judy and ratings yep

1:26:58 So, I mean he was a very powerful voice. I think that's why he ran off TV because he had a very patriarchal centered viewpoint on things. Yeah this supposed to not stand. That's not how it works. No we can't have that. Gotta get you all daytime television ya know? Because your ruining the message! And speaking of the message, let's get into clip three. What happened to the institution of marriage? That's one of the problems back in the 60s we had women talking about marriage was a form of slavery so We had some like Nikki Giovanni the poet came UCLA on at least two or three occasions and she knew

1:27:41 Nikki Giovanni, the one that young black women look up to. Yeah and she was espousing the idea that marriage was slavery so if you wanted to have children get knocked up by somebody who was smart and physically set out and don't even tell the SOB he was the daddy because the worst thing you could do would be to involve a man in the role of a father that would just mess children up. Do these women hate men? They don't like the fact that they've got XX chromosomes instead of XY and they feel their deprived, best I can tell off what I saw 50 years ago when it was developing But let me ask you this if men were so good to women What caused them to change and turn on many in that manner They had a bubble of safety

1:28:32 Ooh, I was gonna say that's a great question bubble of safety bubble of safety. Yeah another name I've never heard of Nikki Giovanni Uh-huh she she was in the class with the other women we are we mentioned as great writers right? I mean when I say things about people I don't never want to tear down their skill very skilled writer But it's what you're how your weaponizing or being used and I'm gonna use this term in its most academic way useful idiots right not You think you're doing the right thing. You think you know? You think you're making Changes or decisions for the greater good, but then you end up duped later on down a lot She's also one of Oprah Winfrey's 25 living legends mm-hmm

1:29:36 And in the clip, uh, Skoon even said that young women look up. I mean you say Nikki Giovanni? That name holds weight. It's kind of like with Maya Angelou or when you say these names it's kind of like a rites of passage to read these books for certain demographics. By the way, Nikki Giovanni is a great DJ name. Nikki Giovanni with everybody! So Judge made a mention of women not needing men and I just want to bring up this point in the 1993 there was a movie came out with Will Smith, Ted Danson and Whoopi Goldberg called Made In America. And it was about a black woman she had artificial insemination

1:30:35 And her daughter set out to find who her father was, who ended up being a spoiler alert Ted Danson if you have seen the movie and I'm 30 years old. Sorry to ruin it for you but that just goes to show you that it was prevalent women going out and getting sent out on either father right? And Ted and Whoopi actually were together in real life right yes And just to say one last thing on this topic, that is an insult that's lobbed at men of being a sperm donor. Right nothing... you're only good for that? Yes Go to your cup Yep That's all you are You're not a father, you know, you're a sperm donor So yeah so it's kind of sad By the way when someone calls you baby daddy

1:31:32 Mm-hmm to me. I don't like these terms, I like baby mama baby baby When you say that it's like baby daddy sounds literally like your sperm donor and you send us a quick That's the equivalent of and but that it cut both deck knife cuts both ways because when you say baby mama Yeah, yeah, that's mean you're not good enough to be wife material Yeah, oh yeah totally sounds like so. So when people use these terms all it irks me. Yeah I've never liked and now and now it's popular culture And it's kind of cool to say it and I don't like it yeah But if this is not a good thing disrespectful no matter which way you say it to me It's disrespectful. I told her I totally agree with you on that one um

1:32:20 But let's continue on with our Judge Joe Brown 4. Have women shifted from relying on the man for that protection to the state? To the police and to the state The state, the police is representative of the state Yeah see Police are... The women now have displaced the mans traditional role with the government Yes what happens is the inner city has become a matriarchy And that's one of the problems we have in terms of community police relations is the order, primary order in any healthy community typically throughout history came from the masculine component. Now all the masculine component has not been trained and masculinity so they don't keep public peace dignity and order. An you have a police come in. Yeah this is a lesson go ahead right?

1:33:16 And let's not forget this is not just boomer talk from the judge because Jay-Z made a similar statement which we covered on the previous show as well about the interaction between children that weren't raised with authority figure in their household and their interactions with police. There is overall a Western culture thing, I noticed it a lot in America and i've lived in a couple different countries is this intermediary we have an intermediary for everything. It's like you got a problem, like you know problem with your neighbor people don't go over and say hey neighbor let's talk about this no police right away! We all want to have someone else who we pay for with our taxes come in and fix the problem

1:34:06 It's like the homeless is the same thing. Well, that should just be fixed by the... Come on! I pay for this fix it where's my intermediary to go and fix it? There must be some kind of a non-profit or someone does something around here That's an overall problem but I totally see what what the judge was getting at here in this specific example And one thing that's lost or either ignored purposely is, okay say you have two parents of a child and that father for whatever reason has fallen behind on his child support payments correct? Deadbeat. But how does the mother collect through the court system and in the police

1:34:55 Correct, but at the very exact same time they're saying the police are shooting our black men dead in the streets Yeah But when it's time to get collect Your money is okay to call. And mass incarceration the same thing, because if you can't pay and visually can't pay for whatever reason... I mean all men hit hard times once or twice in life it's just a fact of life If that happens to happen to YOU Then what? What happens, you become part of the prison industrial complex. At the hands of not being a sustaining father now I will say this men have to be more responsible because this is not a beat up on one side or other show This is too You made a valid great point keeping that person that middleman out of the conversation

1:35:58 work with each other. Yeah, for as long as possible of course right men know you're you know your responsibility man I'm talking to me and out there brothers are the patriarchy um You know your responsibility when you create a child if you want to be part of that patriarchy then the number one rule is providing But as I stated before often we all hit hard times in life and hardships if a person's able to Work with that person mothers Work with the father and say, okay I know you're on a hard time right now but you can catch me up later. But denying that child visitation, denying that child...I said that purposely Denying the child to visitation not the father You know it drives a wedge in their bad mouth of father

1:36:51 Work with each other. Keep the state out of your family and you won't have that war in your household So while we're talking about it, how does this... who's out there trying to change this message or trying to propagate the message that you just gave basically? Who is out there I mean we know what powers are at work to undermine all of this Where are the good guys? Well here is a solution that's cropping up I don't trust women. I don't want anything to do with women." That's no good either, because you're playing right into the depopulation game which is the long game here and it's just this continual distrust but where is it stemming from? You guys had to like each other at some point if you procreated with each other so

1:37:46 But it's these expectations, called the Morrie syndrome. It's a game show! I'm not the daddy, woohoo! And they run off to the backstage or you are the daddy and they dance and it's like what in the hell is going on here? There should be... A study should be done, a university proper study of the effect of those particular shows black America in particular. That would show you some real devastation man, it really will and also just the whole positioning of it just forget about what's happening to actual black families or potential black families because that's what most of those were potential families the perception amongst the rest of the world

1:38:41 I mean, you know Jerry Springer wasn't just in America. This was adored by people in Europe that stay up until 3am to watch this They couldn't believe what was going on they thought it was so cool Look at these crazy nut jobs in America But subliminally all along I would say on those shows 95% black Especially on Maury. And here's the other thing, when you get to a one name recognition in America that tells you the influence you have and when you say Maury people know exactly what you're saying and it has a certain stigma to it but yeah so um continue on with Joe

1:39:30 clip 23. So a black woman would in turn play the womanly role to white men that she wouldn't play to a black man if she's been subjected to this sort of program? Yeah but it's deeper than that, is the cultural thing. Pimps commonly run this game but it's a feminine game that black women are taught and I gotta break him down to size. Yeah, girl! Gotta tear him down to manageable pieces." And see that's the same way a pimp does he takes the woman who is susceptible and breaks her down into manageable pieces He tears her down and that's what you find is a cultural thing going back well... That was advocated in this 1710...I think it was 1708 pamphlet

1:40:20 that I read in the Library of Congress or at least on microfilm and it was repeated over and over again. So what judge is referring to is the Willie Lynch papers, which I haven't really pinned down if this was real or a piece of propaganda that was circulated in the black community or if it was actually a real paper he say you ready in the Library of Congress I don't know, but what it included was you had to divide old against young. Light against dark. Male against female. All the things we talked about in this show so even if it's a piece of propaganda and not really an actual historical document the content of it is accurate now

1:41:12 You cannot assume that I even knew what the hell the Willie Lynch papers were about. Right, and okay the Willie Lynch paper I kind of described but it was a... What was said to be this guy named last name Lynch and they said is where lynching comes from he had this pamphlet of how to make a slave you would go around uh to the slave owners and say okay this is how you because Ordinarily, the slaves were outnumbered. The owners of the plantation, the slave masters and overseers and family of those people... So to keep a slave rebellion from happening you had to keep the slaves divided It was basically the manual for your group of slaves

1:42:04 Yes. Congratulations, slave owner! Here's your slaves and here's the manual on how to manage them. Yes. Wow. And that that's the house negro versus feel Negro which was light dark Old against young you saw that in roots with uh I gotta tell you Moe, I'd never heard of this. I feel somewhat embarrassed but i'm glad No you shouldn't! But hey that's just how I feel. I'm glad we're bringing it up and of course all-I've gotten into the habit of everything we talk about on the show Uh I'll get some links and I'll put them into the show notes so please do check the show notes You can each show note page has

1:42:46 A lot of Wikipedia entries, but all these different names you can kind of jumping off point from there. But this also just like we learned about gaslighting or you learned about gaslighting I didn't know that lynching comes from this? Yes that's where it said to come from and like i said there's debate whether the validity of it but I'm not talking about the actual Doesn't matter. I'm talking about How it was done and what's done, and it's clear as day we've covered every one of those Divisions on this show in multiple episodes yes And we're back again on the man versus woman But yeah, I mean so that's judge Joe Brown for you um he like say great

1:43:35 Source of historical facts very very well read well educated. You know I mean he's a judge, of course so but yeah So you're just seeing the older Generation is starting to speak to the younger generation Yeah um So not sure if I have a duplicate clip But let's just listen to 24 and see don't get into that And why? What it sounded like to me judge is that Black women are constantly being elevated and promoted whether it be in politics as now you see all these women mayors around the country and state

1:44:22 or in activism black women started Black Lives Matter. They are the go-to people to be elevated by people outside our community which diminishes the value of black men and it also causes black women to look outside of black men for the protection and providing that they should naturally get from us is that what's going on? William Lynch, a West Indies planter said that one of the secrets to causing the slaves to domesticate themselves is conditioning the black female to understand that she could not get

1:45:11 safety, protection and provision from her males. And to only look to white males that do it. That goes back the first time I saw that was in a 1710 pamphlet. So that creates a natural enmity or? It's a cultural thing has been imposed on us So a black woman would in turn play the womanly role to white men that she wouldn't play to a black man. What if she's been subjected to this sort of program? Yeah, but it's deeper than that is a cultural thing. Pimps commonly run this game but it's a feminine game that black women are taught I gotta break him down to size yeah girl Okay, I think yeah okay I want to make this point because I don't wanna seem like it's piling on there are a lot of women

1:45:59 of all races, especially black women that are appreciative of the patriarchy because they're made to feel safe and protected and provided for. But where it clashes at is when they deal with their fellow sisters of a different mindset, they're ashamed. And one of things I've noticed in America is we shame stay-at-home moms. It's sickening It's like, oh so what do you do? I'm gonna stay at home. Oh! You get that...oh! What does that mean?! Well this goes back to the same period and it goes all he goes back to Steinem and before yeah it's part of the same thing And the reason why say that is a well-known saying cliche The hand that rocks the cradle Is the hand that rules the world So if you really want to bring about change

1:46:59 It's the mothers that can do it. And it's what they teach their sons at a young age and who they select to have their sons by, that's how you change society. Now women have a lot of power let's not get this twisted is the fact that these sick people know their flaw is there emotional heartstrings and they pluck them Yeah. To make them feel inferior, to make them feel less than because they stay at home and they want to be taken care of not in a sense of provided for but it's like that's a symbol of love and just ladies A little man inside baseball. A way a man shows he loves you is how he provides for you Is that a fair statement Adam or no? Well how he provides I don't know

1:48:04 I'm not talking about monetarily. No, no, I know toilet changing the tire. I mean like I fixed that yeah baby you know say like yeah look at what I can do for you oh i think that's a very natural masculine trait to want to do Yeah of course! I'll take care of that. I'll get the bug. I'll get the spider right exactly exactly I'll give this thing book now I do want to say in our house Mm-hmm. We have an equality which is all based on hygiene Everybody closes the lid Oh, yes Please it makes it so easy first of all I would say it's smarter to flush the toilet with the lid closed and

1:48:51 once you've seen the studies of what is floating around. It really is quite disgusting when you know it but, it ends any debate, it ends any in you know falling into the toilet in the middle of night which is not a good thing... You know all these things it ends if just everyone just you're done whatever you did close the lid flush good to go save everybody But what's the meme of the 1980s, 90s romantic movie? The guy spends $100 trying to knock down some milk jugs. So when the girl oversize teddy bear right yes Of course it's not about money because he could have either went and bought one It's like I did that you know and i want my woman to walk around with a teddy bear at the fair show I did this for her You know so

1:49:47 But I think that's ancestral. It goes back to the hunter-gatherer versus, I mean the hunter gathering us that we came back with the kill. Well, we've been overrun by... The same messaging machine, the same delivery mechanism is overrun by people with a clear agenda who are using the same mechanism to tell you that that's not okay and that's wrong and Just look at television commercials. The guy is, okay honey I screwed up again, I'm a doofus! And we're gonna close up here so I got a few more clips but I want to piggyback on your point you just made if you watch children's television which i do because always watching my kids watch when they leave the room I come in the room and I'll watch it's a hierarchy in these television shows

1:50:46 Both parents are stupid. First of all, but the dad is substantially more dumber than the mom. Yeah Oh Dad like one of those? Yeah it's like I mean he does...I mean he's barely functioning He's lucky he's breathing really yeah right it means like you know it's like oh and then in the jokes they're like this like two or three dad jokes every episode but now this isn't there going down to the lower level. But Judge Joe Brown in the last clip talked about that tearing down to manageable pieces. I wanted to bring to the table what that looks like and what that sounds like, so I went to continue with the daytime television show theme, Divorce Court My Man's a Wimp. You say your man is a wimp?

1:51:43 Mm-hmm, and that's your biggest problem with him. Yes Could you explain that to me? Well basically he's a weenie he's a punk I'm tired of it He's not man enough for me. I'm too strong for him Now this was the 90s this divorce court or is it later than no this was this was like last week What Really? Yeah, I mean okay at least like six months ago. No older than six months ago. This is on the YouTube channel. I'm thinking this is like 30 years ago. Really last week okay wow nice But this is the tearing down to manageable pieces He's a wimp and just for some background This isn't too a couple getting divorced. This was an episode of should we get married?

1:52:35 And she's talking to the poor guy like this, oh he's a wimp. He's a weenie I'm like dude run! But uh Wimp too Miss Clark let me tell you something You may think he is a weenie and punk and a wimp but i most certainly not If you keep that up you go right through that door and she and I will finish our proceedings alone And your losing the rational war right here already ya know So when the female judge checked her, she understood the power structure. So yeah so um Yeah, this is what it sounds like for a man to be shredded and for all of people that's wondering why this poor guy puts up with it Wimp 3 I mean I'm just me Right I can just be me and if you want something else then go get them They go get something else and quit bothering you Now having said that let me state this Why do you stay? He's friendly

1:53:39 No, Your Honor. I'm finna explain to you. You know it's the other way around. Whatever... I tried to get away. I've tried to get away. She finds me... Ms. Clark? This woman is crazy, Your Honor. She will find me. I can move out of the country somehow or someway she will find me. Literally! Do you chase him about? No that's a lie So when he leaves you don't go searching for him Well, you know Well, we may see a modern or I guess it's just as modern. We may see an interesting version of this take place this power dynamic It may be taking place it actually doesn't even matter if it's true or not? I think it maybe spun that way which is probably the most important part and that's Prince Harry in Meghan Markle

1:54:32 We may see a version of this being portrayed in the media, again whether it's true or not already without a doubt the messaging is well Harry is kind of a little pussy whipped. Very true and she's a superwoman Yes And he is a minority because let's face it Ginger has got it rough Right and for the archetype of shoes she supposed to feel She's gonna play the role. Yeah, and it's in it and wow let's just think about this because I think the overall theme here has been the influence of media television in particular And how this power dynamic has been displayed? It's total black exploitation I'm now coming to realize

1:55:33 Of course back in the 90s I was, look at me on Mr. MTV! That's funny looking Jerry look at more you know You don't really think about it what the long-standing impact of that is But now this story it is the fairy tale story she married a prince but the Prince instead of take and again He may be in charge of everything, he may be running the show. He'd be like baby I'm taking care you that's not what's being portrayed on television and i don't think that's the way it's going to play out uh...the story and it kind of breaks the whole if that doesn't real if it plays out that way very destructive to the whole the ultimate patriarchy is the handsome prince

1:56:22 sweeps you away, they live happily ever after and this one could turn out differently where I had to tell him what to do. I had the drag his ass back to America or two America. I'm in I'm the superwoman. I'm taking care of it all Wow this will be very and I have new eyes to watch this with And a monarchy is nothing but a patriarchy. Oh, yeah exactly! So if you can take down the monarchy... It's the headshot for the nationalism? It is. It's the headshot for the patriarchy? You know what I mean it kills a couple of birds with one stone Wow. It's tough time to be a man Moe Welcome to the game Adam

1:57:16 Mo, thank you so much for putting this one together a lot to think about and a lot to pay attention To and as I always say pay attention to everything in the truth will reveal itself And we will reveal ourselves again About a week from now. Please support the show at mo fund me calm mo e fund me comm How can I express to you? The joy I felt when I realized that I had found the perfect man for me the man who could Make me feel all the things I felt a woman should feel. I said, darling... ...I want to be the perfect woman for you! I got myself a three-year subscription to Essence magazine Read it from cover to cover You know I wanted to be perfect for him I said Blank is beautiful Just keep getting up Together we can make it It's gonna be alright If for some reason you feel that you can no longer be The man that I thought you were At the beginning of our relationship

1:58:23 Then I got this one thing to lay on you, my sweet way little boy Why don't you just go away little boy? You see... You're getting kinda hard for me to understand So my man Just go on away, just go on away, just go on away little boy Before I do something rash Run, run, run, little boy Find yourself another set of blue strings Little boy, cause you're hurting me more Every minute that you delay

1:59:28 Oh, when you need me When you walk close up tight like this You're getting just a little bit too hard for me to resist So why don't ya go on and run? For a full run Why don't ya just leave me alone? Take your things with you. Your albums, and all them Playboy magazines. Just go on! Get out of my life! Now don't stand so close to me when you're trying to get that last goodbye kiss I know your moves now. Don't pull me like this. And don't...don't kiss my eyelids like that. Please don't suck my earlobes like that

2:00:27 And don't, no no, and don't, don't. I'm betting. Well look... If you think you can get a job by Thursday? You promise! Now you ain't gonna fool me this time. Might as well stay. Stay. Might as well stay. This time I'm gonna be sweeter