Topic: Creative Control

The hosts discuss the "betrayal" felt by the gospel community when Sam Cooke crossed over to secular music and white audiences. Moe explains the "Chitlin Circuit" of juke joints and argues that signing with major labels meant sacrificing creative control to reach a wider, "watered-down" commercial audience.

The hosts discuss how institutional money and corporations like Adidas hide the "puppet strings" of control. They embrace their own position on the "podcasting chitlin circuit," arguing that staying small and maintaining creative control is more valuable than being a "big" controlled artist.