Saturday, 18 April 2020

33: Sandbagged

The suspension of the Sanders campaign exposes the friction between establishment gatekeepers and the growing demand for transactional politics and tangible reparations for Black Americans.

By Moe Factz with Adam Curry | 2h 16m listen | 32 chapters
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About this episode

Senator Bernie Sanders officially suspended his 2020 presidential campaign from his home in Vermont, effectively making Joe Biden the presumptive Democratic nominee. The exit follows a series of primary losses where Sanders failed to secure the Black vote, a demographic the Democratic establishment continues to treat with a shut-up-and-vote strategy. This withdrawal raises questions about whether the Sanders campaign functioned as controlled opposition designed to steer radical energy back into the party infrastructure.

Media figures like Karen Hunter and Roland Martin argue that Sanders lacked a culturally relevant agenda, while Reverend Al Sharpton suggests the Senator failed to connect with the spiritual traditions of the Black church. Meanwhile, activist groups like Color of Change and the Dream Defenders face scrutiny for their financial ties to ActBlue and the Democratic National Committee. Historical perspectives from W.E.B. Du Bois and Paul Robeson illustrate a long tradition of Black socialism that Sanders failed to leverage, even as he rejected reparations as divisive in favor of universal class-based policies. The rapid issuance of trillion-dollar coronavirus stimulus checks by the Trump administration has now neutralized the argument that reparations are fiscally impossible, proving that the federal government can create liquidity when political will exists.

Mo Facts and Adam Curry return to the studio with a new Shure SM7B setup to dissect the transactional nature of the 2020 race. The duo closes with a satirical impersonation of a quarantined Bernie Sanders sanitizing his groceries while waiting for the establishment to stumble. The episode concludes with a tribute to the Value for Value model and a musical send-off featuring Go Down Moses.


CHAPTER 01 / 32 Discussion

Podcast Return, Host Recovery, and New Equipment

Adam Curry and Mo Facts return for episode 33 after a brief hiatus due to Mo's illness and loss of voice. Mo describes his recovery process and expresses gratitude for the well-wishes received on social media. The hosts discuss Mo's new professional recording setup, specifically his upgrade to a Shure SM7B microphone, which they credit to the support of their producers.

adam curry· mo facts· shure sm7b· podcasting equipment· illness

00:02 This week on Yankee and the Brave. Mo Facts with Adam Curry for April 18th, 2020! This is episode number 33! Finally we're back together! Mo how you doing man? I'm doing a lot better. Yeah, actually the pipes are back working and yeah because well we should first apologize Well you don't have to apologize i'll apologize because we did not have a show last saturday We tried to do the show a couple of times from Saturday Sunday or sunday monday Tuesday but actually You were ill and uh with A sore throat which had me worried for a little bit

00:54 Yeah, it had me worried too. This is like really the first time I ever lost my voice to the point where I just didn't want to talk but it slowly started coming back and I didn't want to push it and like I said I appreciate everybody having patience and their well wishes over social media and all other platforms I think that good energy helped me, you know Bring me back to one percent when I when I you called me what Friday? I think last week. I'm gonna say it was and I heard you like What is that? What is that for you sounded like you're on death's door man It was bad and was really bad a lot worse than I actually felt so I mean That was the good thing and then I was scared people give me the side eye so Yeah

01:39 Exactly and may I note that you not only use your voice back, but you also sound fantastic today This must be of course because of the support of our producers of the show who will be thanking later on We were able to get mo a good setup. You got it now what do you have there? You got? Sure That'd be the SM 40 probably This is the... Mo, professional podcasters immediately know which microphone they're using. OK? Hey man! Look it's a Shure SM7B I believe. That's the one. So yeah it's like the official podcasters microphone so mama I made it.

CHAPTER 02 / 32 Discussion

Bernie Sanders Suspends 2020 Presidential Campaign

Senator Bernie Sanders officially ended his 2020 presidential campaign, making Joe Biden the presumptive Democratic nominee. Sanders cited the insurmountable lead held by Biden and the ongoing coronavirus pandemic as primary reasons for his withdrawal. Media reports highlight that Sanders delivered his concession remarks from his home in Vermont without the typical fanfare of a campaign rally.

bernie sanders· joe biden· 2020 election· democratic primary· coronavirus pandemic

02:30 Big time, big league and just in time for episode 33. All right well I am very excited to hear what you got going on because a lot has happened since we last spoke in fact the last time even I mentioned the show On No Agenda two or three episodes ago We were learning that...I think the correct statement would be people of color in the African-American community are getting the Rona more than anybody else and they're dying quicker. And isn't it amazing how they could easily say that but you can't say Wuhan flu or anything like that, but... You know what I want to table that because that's definitely on my list of things to come back around But i didn't want to do too many consecutive shows on the pandemic so

03:27 Let's do well just let spin the wheel. We'll see what we can talk about. All right, all right! We're spinning the wheel of topics where it stops nobody knows only Mo knows of course but makes it more fun when we try to figure out as the wheel comes down to a grinding halt and Bernie Sanders has dropped out of the race Okay interesting Bernie Sanders has dropped out of the way at race So we have covered a number of Democratic candidates over the whole 2020 primaries. Seems so long ago, Moe! It does right? We had Kamala, we had Corey, we had Bloomberg, Marianne Williamson... Yeah, we had Tulsi Gabbard all of them now one after another have dropped out and have endorsed Joe Biden which makes it even funnier

04:19 Right, and that's why I want to cover this because we've seen them drop one by one. And I think there is a common thing as to why they fell out but in this show were going to cover Joe Biden's hole excuse me Bernie Sanders' hole political history from even going back to 2016, to him wrapping up his campaign in 2020. So I guess we'll jump right into Bernie Sanders drops out. We want to turn now to the 2020 campaign because Joe Biden is the presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party after Bernie Sanders ended his presidential campaign today. The one-time frontrunner told his supporters he couldn't win and didn't want his campaign to interfere as the nation fights the pandemic

05:05 Ed O'Keefe reports tonight from here in Washington. Ed? Nora, good evening this chaotic Democratic campaign began with Senator Sanders on top he even plowed ahead after a heart attack last fall but he conceded today the coronavirus pandemic is one of the reasons he's getting out and he was forced to make his remarks from home in Vermont alone with no supporters by his side Talk about a bum ride I almost forgot about the heart attack bit Yeah, he had the heart attack and then he had to bow out. No fanfare. But the media, the liberal media couldn't help but take jabs at Bernie on his way out

CHAPTER 03 / 32 Discussion

Bernie Sanders as Controlled Opposition

The hosts analyze Bernie Sanders' campaign strategy, suggesting he acted as "controlled opposition" to prevent the Democratic Party from moving too far left. They discuss the friction between Sanders' press secretary Brianna Joy Gray and media figures like Joy Reid regarding Sanders' refusal to attack Joe Biden's record. The theory posits that Sanders was used as a mechanism to gather radical energy and steer it back toward the establishment.

bernie sanders· brianna joy gray· joy reid· controlled opposition· democratic party

05:46 So Brianna Joy Gray, who of course was national press secretary for Bernie Sanders and is now freelance. Causing a little bit of a storm! It's fun to watch her go hard I mean she's such a sharp intellect yeah and she got in a little bit of a back-and-forth with Joy Reid. A pause behind why Bernie Sanders ultimately wasn't able to be successful. Joy was making fun of the idea that the Sanders campaign was too nice. Brianna pointing out very like factually that all of these issues, including credible sexual assault allegation pattern of unwanted touching bereavement and other corruption issues lying about a civil rights record. None of this stuff was really brought up during the primary and that's on the Sanders campaign. It's not really Bernie himself though at the end of the day because we've had their reporting that there were in we've heard this ourselves too from people within the campaign. There was pressure on him to be more aggressive against Joe Biden he just didn't want to do it.

06:43 Gee, he just wouldn't do it. Why not? I wonder why and that struck me is that 2016 and 2020 Bernie was a big wuss And I hate to say that I know my upset some people but when he could have really went in for the kill on both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden He always held back And it was not missed, and as you heard there even his campaign said they wouldn't listen to him and go after the candidates that he was going against. But... Go ahead. I was gonna say it always seemed to me like Bernie didn't actually want to win? That's what it felt like!

07:34 Well, I'm gonna be completely honest right here. I mean from the very onset of this show my personal take on Bernie Sanders is he was control opposition That would be another way of looking at it and very possible Because if you leave that void open and it's just as this is solely my opinion But if you leave that void open for something or someone to come in a feel it that now charismatic and outsider Then you have a problem, but if you go ahead and create the person that will fill that void everybody will rally around him

08:12 and then he can steer them the way he wants to steer them. It's interesting you say controlled opposition because it seems so obvious but that, he seems so genuine and the groundswell of support for Bernie seems so genuine that if that truly is if he was in the race twice and maintained there just to be controlled opposition Uh, that's very well done. That's they yeah I'd say a big coup for that one can we all right so this is how i think the conversation goes uh Bernie you'll bring attention to your causes will have incremental change and you know um you'll get a large platform to get some of the ideas out that you want to be identified for I mean identify with

09:06 And you'll be a legend. Yeah, and we'll throw one or two of your policies into the big game plan or something like that Right so it's a win for him but he wasn't going this is just solely my opinion I'm not the only one who shares his opinion but um...I think he was used as a control mechanism So that Democrats didn't have to go too far left Sounds feasible Moe totally And with that, let's listen to some more of the mainstream liberal media dump on Bernie Sanders. CNN trashes Bernie. So as you all know, Bernie Sanders, of course officially suspending his presidential campaign yesterday and mid-morning gave a speech to his supporters about the path forward

09:58 and how important the movement was, and next steps where we go from here. Apparently though CNN wasn't impressed with the Tigers. No they certainly weren't let's take a listen to what they said What struck me the most there is Senator Sanders in saying goodbye did acknowledge that Joe Biden had an insurmountable lead, but he didn't say anything nice about Joe Biden. He did not say he'd spoken to him and he did not say he would work with him. He said it was imperative to beat President Trump but there was no big embrace of Joe Biden. He said nicer things about Joe Biden back during some of the Democratic debates than he said in saying goodbye It was really noteworthy that that was not part of his message at all. In fact, it's funny you say that as he was speaking I was texting with people in and around Joe Biden asking if he had gotten a phone call because it was so glaringly absent from

CHAPTER 04 / 32 Discussion

Media Criticism of Sanders and the Black Vote Analogy

Mainstream media outlets, specifically CNN, criticized Bernie Sanders for not offering a warmer embrace of Joe Biden during his concession speech. The hosts compare the Democratic Party's treatment of "Bernie Bros" to their historical treatment of the Black vote, characterized as a "shut up and vote" strategy. They argue that the party uses the threat of a "boogeyman" opponent to force compliance from progressive and minority voting blocs.

cnn· bernie sanders· joe biden· black vote· political strategy

09:06 And you'll be a legend. Yeah, and we'll throw one or two of your policies into the big game plan or something like that Right so it's a win for him but he wasn't going this is just solely my opinion I'm not the only one who shares his opinion but um...I think he was used as a control mechanism So that Democrats didn't have to go too far left Sounds feasible Moe totally And with that, let's listen to some more of the mainstream liberal media dump on Bernie Sanders. CNN trashes Bernie. So as you all know, Bernie Sanders, of course officially suspending his presidential campaign yesterday and mid-morning gave a speech to his supporters about the path forward

09:58 and how important the movement was, and next steps where we go from here. Apparently though CNN wasn't impressed with the Tigers. No they certainly weren't let's take a listen to what they said What struck me the most there is Senator Sanders in saying goodbye did acknowledge that Joe Biden had an insurmountable lead, but he didn't say anything nice about Joe Biden. He did not say he'd spoken to him and he did not say he would work with him. He said it was imperative to beat President Trump but there was no big embrace of Joe Biden. He said nicer things about Joe Biden back during some of the Democratic debates than he said in saying goodbye It was really noteworthy that that was not part of his message at all. In fact, it's funny you say that as he was speaking I was texting with people in and around Joe Biden asking if he had gotten a phone call because it was so glaringly absent from

10:47 OK, let me read you a quote from Bernie's concession speech. Bernie quote I congratulate Joe Biden A very decent man. Now there we go! Very good. Joe Biden will be the nominee and saying he will work with Joe Biden in order to defeat Donald Trump We all know what is going on here Didn't know establishment left wonderwise people don't like It's not it's not good enough that you get the win, but we got to kick this guy while he's down and then at the same time you expect his supporters To come out and you know

11:35 Turn the other cheek and just well, that's the thing. That that's what I'm when you lay out this Controlled opposition strategy then you have to have an exit so the exit took place Bernie gave his endorsement but what do you do with? Well obviously with his Delegates, I don't know if that matters anymore But what do you do with right with his support? I mean how do you Do drop them or do you still try and bring them into the to vote for the For the for the candidate who I guess Biden in this case. We'll see, I mean how do you do that? I don't see it happening Oh You know they have a game plan and it's the same game plan They have been playing on the black vote for the last 40 years Okay, either you're gonna vote for us are you gonna let the bad guy win So this is why this now we get to support or wide to the show no people like wow Are we just talking about politics No

12:31 We're seeing now, I told you whatever happened to us first the quote-unquote black community is rolled out to everybody else later on down the line. Yeah and that's what we're saying now. We were just told to shut up and vote! Yeah we just got to watch you, we just gotta watch Moe and then we know exactly what's coming it's your the canary in the coal mine That's all haven't we seen this before shut up and vote shut up and vote. No after about 32 episodes We've seen it right if you have if If you don't vote, you're gonna be the reason that the boogie man wins So that's the same thing they're gonna play on I don't really using this like use a term but the Bernie bros Right just where it has It hasn't understanding for what that means But that they're gonna be treated the same way to black vote is being treated To just shut up and vote right? Um

CHAPTER 05 / 32 Discussion

Donald Trump Reacts to Sanders Dropping Out

President Donald Trump commented on Bernie Sanders' exit, questioning the legitimacy of the withdrawal since Sanders intended to keep his delegates for the convention. The hosts suggest Trump's strategy is to keep the "wound open" among Sanders supporters to encourage them to stay home or defect. This tactic is identified as a "negative vote" strategy previously tested on other demographics.

donald trump· bernie sanders· delegates· negative vote· political strategy

13:20 With that said, of course and with all this drama going on. Of course President Trump couldn't help but to chime in and throw a little shade himself. We know that Bernie Sanders has dropped out today. I did see that. He didn't really drop out. What about his delegates? He said he's gonna keep his delegates which is sort of interesting. He's gonna keep his delegates if they'd like to get more Now, is he dropping out or not? That's not dropping out when you keep your delegates and then you want more delegates before you get to the convention. And it's a weird deal going on there now. But wasn't that before he endorsed Biden or does that not I don't know if that comes in this right. This is like right between me as a short period of time. I think this fell right between him and dropping out at an endorsement. But if you notice Trump had to get in there and start up like he didn't really

14:14 didn't really drop out. So, you know, which he should keep the because he understands as long as he keeps the wound from scabbing over with the Bernie supporters That either one which I've all talked about in the show where as well is the negative vote He's trying to play the negative vote into his is his arm and to his favorite. Well, yeah Let's let's make the Bernie bros stay at home or we can maybe swing some over to our side Yeah, he's done for the black boat Works for once everyone's got the same strategy and again We tested on the black folk

14:57 And then we apply it everywhere else. It's so cynical, I love it! It is so cynical but like you said if you just read the tea leaves which us being the tea leaves in this situation and most situations with that said most of my clips today are going to come from the far left One being I know you heard a couple of clips from Crystal and Sagar, from The Hill. Because I don't want to hear what the establishment left has to say or the establishment liberal media that be it MSNBC, CNN... That's the corporate wing, you know, the Democratic Party. I want to hear what the actual- The actual radicals

CHAPTER 06 / 32 Discussion

Jimmy Dore Critiques Sanders' Campaign Strategy

Comedian and commentator Jimmy Dore criticizes Bernie Sanders for effectively running Joe Biden's campaign by calling him a "decent guy" who can beat Trump. Dore argues that Sanders failed to use potent political weapons, such as Hillary Clinton's emails in 2016, to actually win. The hosts discuss Dore's position on the political spectrum and his overlap with independent media audiences.

jimmy dore· bernie sanders· joe biden· democratic socialism· political strategy

15:47 Yes, the radicals and the left have to say mm-hmm. So with that said I Found one Jimmy door. I listen to what? Very familiar with Jimmy door Right with paying attention to everything you have to go to the far right Left or far left and the fall for right so you can set your boundaries in this see how it places center. With that said let's listen to how jimmy door what he thinks about Bernie Sanders and how he ran his campaign all people are concerned about stuff is beating Donald Trump because they've been told

16:25 Everything was okay before Donald Trump and then everything will go back to normal if we just get rid of Donald Trump even though they're passing his legislative agenda the Democrats so maybe the reason why people are interested in Joe Biden is Because people I just want to beat Trump at any cost And then when they turn on the TV, and they hear Bernie Sanders say this. They're like oh yeah, I got a watch No, I'm not saying that now. I've been asked about a million times that I believe Joe can be Trump and if Joe is the candidate, I'll do everything to make sure that he does. And so he says yeah...I think even Jake Tapper's like this is your strategy? To tell everybody your opponent can win? What kind of a fucking strategy is that, Graham?! Where you go on national television and you tell everybody that your opponent's gonna win in November He-He's basically running Joe Biden You know Joe Biden's whole campaign His whole campaign Is Joe's a decent guy and he can beat Trump What did Bernie Sanders just say

17:20 Joe is a friend of mine, and I think he can beat Trump. That's Joe Biden's campaign slogan fucking idiot! What are you doing repeating your opponent's campaign slogan? What does this get you?! Do you consider Jimmy Dore far-left not Antifa far left no He's to the right of them, but with these and let me establish what I'm saying with far-left. The people that think which you would classify as democratic socialists Yeah the health care for all $15 hour minimum wage Very liberal worker rights Let's see what else they're more economic You know it's not the it's not

18:09 The social justice wing now some of their stuff overlaps, but that's why I consider him it Right on the spectrum of though and on the political sprit It is interesting because Jimmy door has a big overlap with With our media tribe with no agenda and even Mo Fax. I think a lot of people will watch Jimmy door as well right? so I mean wondering him in because Him the hill And it's a couple more YouTube, I don't know. Let me just say left-leaning YouTubers that are not buying the biting Kool Aid or not drinking the biting Kool Aid.

18:51 We're starting to hear that and now they're starting to look at but Bernie is funny because it's like do everything you did Worked in favor one to get Hillary Clinton elected 2016. You didn't talk about the emails I mean not only did he not talk about the emails He said he would say there was nothing interesting is that? I'm not interested in the emails How are you trying to win a campaign and what and you have that kind of approach this something that can take down your opponent And let's juxtapose that to how Obama handled Clinton in 08. He said straight up, hey she is not going to get it she is too establishment you know so when you see a real competitor how they handle the left establishment or the democratic establishment Bernie Sanders supposedly supposed be radical and he fell way short of wanting to take the gloves off to win by any means. Yes

CHAPTER 07 / 32 Discussion

Roland Martin and the Boule Mindset

Roland Martin argues on his YouTube channel that Bernie Sanders failed because he was unwilling to play the "inside game" and negotiate within the system. The hosts identify this as the "Boule mindset," where political change is sought through incrementalism and proximity to power rather than radical outside pressure. They compare this approach to Jay-Z's partnership with the NFL.

roland martin· the boule· incremental change· political influence· negotiation

19:49 Oh, with that said I found an interesting clip for Roland Martin. And this is... Wait a minute! That's an oxymoron. Interesting clip Roland Martin? It's hard for me to put those in the same sentence Well after this you might reconsider that. Roland Martin, Bernie and the Boulez mindset Here's reality Robert You gotta make a decision. And what I mean by that is you can't play an inside game from the outside, you can't say I want to have influence but I want to be on the outside because

20:26 In order to have influence, you've got to be on the inside to actually do it. And I think that for Senator Bernie Sanders he also has to make a decision You've seen all those stories about his own camp how he talked about this unwillingness to compromise things along those lines Dog look! You ain't gonna get your way on everything You gotta be able to negotiate and so that's gonna be a call he has to make. And here is the deal, if you think your going to win by attacking the very people who you need influence to change stuff... Not gonna happen!

21:08 Uh-huh. Yo dawg! This is not a CNN interview, I'm sure where was this? No this is on his YouTube channel Oh that's why oh okay so he can you know he can let his blackness fly over for yo dawg Yeah it was airborne and that that that is his tale no kidding when he says that he's about to say something that may He thinks it's controversial, you know. So he'll drop that a yo dog is like what? What is that but what we've seen here unmasked Unknowingly I don't know if he knows or not and I probably put this as an evergreen because we might need to come back To this is how the bullet thinks oh You have to get inside the room, you know to make change in

21:58 Jay-z in the NFL you gotta get inside the room. Yeah All the Democratic politicians, you know You have to get inside the room that have incremental change This is all they've said to everybody there's been I'm not voting unless you have something transactional now It's incremental. No, that's not gonna fly and I just like that's why I found interesting because he let his He unknowingly let his guard down and let his spouse, his mindset. Now we can apply that to whenever you hear him talk on other topics that they're not radicals. Oh yeah no, we've noted it. We've got this one marked down absolutely right so now what I want to do is go back a little bit because this is the end of his campaign. We need to go back and look at one where

CHAPTER 08 / 32 Discussion

Karen Hunter Critiques Sanders' Lack of Black Agenda

Radio host Karen Hunter expresses her dislike for Bernie Sanders, claiming his ideology is stuck in the past and that he lacks a culturally relevant agenda for Black Americans. Despite her criticisms, Hunter admits she would vote for Sanders if he were the nominee to defeat the opposition. The hosts highlight the contradiction in her claiming to have "no agenda" while demanding a specific racial agenda from candidates.

karen hunter· bernie sanders· black agenda· democratic party· political ideology

22:55 He was at maybe in 2015 for I want to know just go back in history and Go forward. Okay, this is a clip from Karen Hunter one of our show favorites. Yes, and she discusses... She discusses does Bernie Sanders have a black agenda? So I want to open up the phones because there were a lot of people yesterday that wanted talk about Bernie Sanders, Bernie people and I need to understand y'all 866-801-8255 cause you all move in a way that feels cultish And i'm gonna say that out loud so call at me whatever it's..I have no agenda

23:35 I don't like Bernie Sanders not because of anything personal. I had the opportunity to watch him for four, five years now! And what I see is a man that's stuck in a particular ideology...I'm not saying he didn't march with King but that was 50 years ago I'm saying racially he's from a state that has no culture, that reminds me of my own. And the things that he says are insulting when he talks about black people to me! That's my opinion. Okay... This is the tone Bernie Sanders had to face in the primaries from so-called black media Now i want you to mark this down number seven her tone how she said

24:23 How Bernie Sanders talked to black people. Insulting, insulting to black people. Insulting, insulting because write that down because we're going to revisit that in a moment but I guess we can go on into part two of this clip All it is you must be bought out by the who ad no So you must be a corporate show Come on call up somebody threatened to call me on YouTube 866-801-8255 I'm here for it. No, it's a car date people call your show call my show Because here's the thing If Bernie Sanders is the nominee I'm voting for him in there Yes because I mature

25:03 Understand was at stake and we vote strategically not by the heart sleeves that we cry and bleed upon We can be critical and strategic at the same time. I will vote for them man if he's the nominee Yeah, but it's not my choice This is incredible okay now hold on almost let something slide and clip seven She clearly says she has no agenda. Yeah, I heard that which i think will be a great uh nice iso yeah Nice ISO for the No Agenda show but how can you say you have no agenda when you hold Bernie Sanders to the standard of having a black agenda? Right! She let that slip out herself that she said she has no agenda

25:53 Now, you ask me I have an agenda. You know when I vote you know say it like yeah my this is what I want but she let's you know i'm not gonna vote for um I don't have any agenda but at the end of the day I will vote for whoever the Democrat is. Exactly How does that work? You don't have a agenda but your going to vote for who ever the Democrats put up Well, that's letting someone else set your agenda I guess or adopting so and so it's not her agenda. I'm taking the agenda I'm told to take Yeah, and I hate to go back and play clips. But can you please play just the first 10 seconds? And catch she stops herself short of saying something and we're going to be petty here but this is listening to the first ten seconds a number eight again unless you wonder what she stopped herself for saying all it is You must be bought out by the who add right there. The boulay the boulet unless she meant

26:51 Burger Bob. Let's hear it again all of this you must be bought out by the who add no Now so you must be a corporate show No, it's we heard you we heard yeah, I heard you now this so this next clip is Yeah, we know what you're gonna say. They sound bought out by the bullet and when she caught herself She almost said it I would love to hear that but um this next clip is from her show as well And we played this on a previous show It was the Mike Bloomberg Show

CHAPTER 09 / 32 Discussion

Karen Hunter's Reluctant Support for Michael Bloomberg

In a past segment, Karen Hunter delivers a passionate rant against Michael Bloomberg's record on stop-and-frisk, gentrification, and education in New York City. Despite describing his policies as racist and harmful to Black and Brown communities, she concludes that she would still vote for him if he became the Democratic nominee. The hosts criticize this party-first loyalty as "un-American" and a betrayal of transactional politics.

michael bloomberg· stop and frisk· gentrification· karen hunter· democratic party

27:30 I forget what number that was, but this is a sort of long clip. Almost two minutes, but it's a rant somewhere. I had to capture everything just to put you in my mindset of Karen Hunter and the people that she bring on her show and their real agenda Bloomberg is responsible not just for stop-and-frisk furthering it systematizing it glorifying it, defending it up until last year when he decided he was gonna run. But he was surrounded by intellectuals black activists, activists of color across the entire spectrum who outlined for him the problems New York City Lawyers Association Night Clue that data the statistics he had facts

28:11 He had information and he was committed to a racist policy that jailed black people, arrested black people. Stopping frisk black people. I had 32 students Bushwick 32, 32 students who were on their way to our funeral, had permission from their principals, had letters from their parents accosted by the cops held for 36 hours, had to go to trial, my husband is beat up in court by court officers at at their defense trial because the way in which police and court officers were militarized against black and brown communities, and you expect us to just eat that he's got money so he's going to be the best candidate? Gentrification. Bedford-Stuyvesant, Crown Heights, East New York, Flatbush, Harlem, The Bronx—black people driven out of this city under policies that favored wealthy white people and developers! We cannot

29:00 even sustain our communities right now. Education! He undermined the ability for us to have culturally competent education, you want me to say because he can beat Trump? So Trump gonna do what he's gonna do Bloomberg gonna do what he doing yeah he might win but guess what all y'all getting arrested all y'all getting stopped and visited if he implements the same policies across the country that he furthered and supported in the state of New York give me a break we can do better than this I'm sorry i got to agree with Meghan McCain but now im upset I'm sorry. I didn't mean to add that one If he's the nominee, are you gonna vote for him? I don't think he should be the nominee if he's the nominee because that's a strong possibility if he's the nominee Knowing and having said everything that I just said Because I am aware about how the politics and the system in this country works Yes, I will have to vote for him It's probably the best clip we have such a rant such a and then but You know potty says I do what the party tells me to do

29:55 Crazy. I just want to play that for a perspective on what you're going to get in the general election. I find that inherently un-American, and I don't like political parties in general. I've never belonged to one and never will. I'm not interested. It's just it seems like... And I know that he needs for collective power and I understand how it works but I like voting for a person not for a party! Just..I can't help myself And here's my issue. If you're pro-democratic or pro-Democrat party, that's fine! That's your prerogative But don't mask yourself and cloak yourself in blackness. And then when it comes down to whether, one if for people that say like me to say I'm not gonna vote unless there's a transaction from my vote or you treat us like trash, you talk now to us that's not limited to Bernie supporters they did the same thing but then when its time to vote its like oh yeah we're going do whatever the Democrats tell us to do.

CHAPTER 10 / 32 Discussion

Impact of Coronavirus on Media Production Values

The hosts discuss how the COVID-19 lockdowns have leveled the playing field between mainstream media and independent podcasters. They observe that without professional makeup, lighting, and sound stages, corporate media figures appear less authoritative and "lose their magic." They argue that this shift exposes who has genuine "chops" versus who is merely supported by a corporate machine.

coronavirus· mainstream media· production quality· independent media· authenticity

30:57 Come on, I mean like how dumb do we have to be? But wait. So the question always is... People listen to these shows people have this opinion there are lots of people who must think like this or are there? Is this now the general thinking they are the loudest in the room and that's what I always say These people have the microphones and one thing Let me say this one positive about the whole coronavirus thing is all how the mighty have fallen when they don't have their bright lights and their million-dollar cameras and their sound stages And somebody beating her face for two hours before they get in front of the camera with makeup. They're just like us Yes, isn't that amazing how that works?

31:46 Yeah, so now we're seeing I think that they don't matter You know when you put them in those bright lights they may and we talked about some last show. They're casting spells Yes But without their without their voodoo, you know They can't their spells don't work as much because now you're just a somebody sitting in our poorly lit room with you know, you know inferior equipment No pushing that you were worse than a podcaster yes, I hear ya Because they don't even take their craft serious. I mean, you would think if it was your craft you would have a good setup in your house just in case. That's the question what is their craft exactly? Now you start to see... Yeah! It's casting spells on behalf of whoever has the biggest purse

CHAPTER 11 / 32 Discussion

Al Sharpton and the Cultural Divide in Politics

Reverend Al Sharpton and Joe Scarborough discuss Bernie Sanders' inability to connect his economic message with the racial realities of "Martin Luther King Boulevard." The hosts argue that independent Black media and pro-reparation factions were responsible for taking down establishment candidates like Bloomberg and Harris. They assert that independent voices now hold more influence than traditional figures like Sharpton or Karen Hunter.

al sharpton· bernie sanders· joe scarborough· main street· independent media

32:34 Speaking of casting spells, the number one top witch doctor, Dr. excuse me, Reverend Al Sharpton has even his two cents for Bernie Sanders What do you expect to hear from Bernie Sanders? He's been getting some flack in some ways over his inability to bring that economic populist message into alignment with speaking to how race intervenes in this. what do you expect to hear from him? in even dealing with economics because when he talks about we must bring the body politic to main street there between main street and martin luther king boulevard. We can't act like that the people on main street don't have some advantages that people on martin luther king boulevard has. Do you think he's toned after that fact?

33:36 And you see his handler had to chime in there. Yes, that was interesting. That was Joe Scarborough for the people who don't know but do you think Bernie's toned up to that fact because they're all about the establishment? Yes and they knew Biden was going to be their person I mean anybody but Bernie at that point I mean they didn't really want Biden But i would have to say this The independent black media The fact that the pro-reparation crowd Those factions took down all of the Democratic candidates. Bernie being the last one, this is what we've seen here.

34:19 We saw, we played it out in the show with Kamala Harris. Right right. How when she stepped on that landmine boom gone yeah Bloomberg billions of dollars Stepped in that land mine. That's my favorite case because you know It's whoever has the most money wins they keep telling us but just turns out to not be true You actually can't buy an election I love that Yeah and you can't buy election Their their boulet butter biscuit eaters Have no effect anymore. They don't have an effective I mean you could come out Al Sharpton and your care hunters And all these people can come out and say, you know do this do this? And there's more like no And I'll tell you why not. I'll tell you why because I see the shift I see it happening. I see it during this block down Mm-hmm People are moving away from mainstream

35:18 They are listening to their YouTube heroes. They're listening to their podcasters, they're reading blogs... Yeah Twitter and social media has a role in this not a very positive one but I think people are turning on two different ideas and they're tuning out from the centralized messaging besides the fact that it's tedious boring and repetitive these people are losing credibility left and right Right, but then like I said without their without their magic. They're there they're less than the independent media now tell you I'll tell you mr Mo fax is more influential in today's politically arena than Karen Hunter You can take it from me You can take it for me. I mean it's not much mo but take it to start No, well no why because I told you if I come up here talking crazy counsel me and

36:10 You know, I've said that they can't say that. But they don't have the freedom to say that and we're value for value so if people appreciate it but don't like it they won't support it And we've learned how do more with less because They had a thing to lean on The magic to lean on What we had is you know what? We had to work harder We had to go...I mean I don't want make that about that but I'm just saying They don't have proper microphones. I mean, Jesus Christ! What are you doing? And if you really know what you're doing, you get people to help out by the microphone like we did it this is perfect We've...we have unlocked that key

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Religious and Cultural Barriers in the South Carolina Primary

Al Sharpton suggests that Bernie Sanders struggled in the South due to a lack of cultural and spiritual connection to the Black church. Mo Facts argues that Sanders' Jewish identity was a quiet but significant factor among Black Christian voters in South Carolina. They contrast this with Barack Obama's strategic use of his church affiliation to build trust with older Black voters.

bernie sanders· al sharpton· south carolina primary· black church· jewish identity

36:55 But that's what Corona has been beautiful about is because they couldn't bring the people in their houses to set them up. So now they're just trying to wing it on their own, you know? This has been very educational and very telling on who really have the chops and who supported by the machine. With that said let's finish listening to Reverend Al. I don't know that he's tone deaf as much as I don't know that he has articulated his feelings, that he has communicated to us. Because he really understands it is communicating... Why the divide? Why did he do so poorly with black Americans in the primary?

37:38 to them that he understood the race divide. And I think that him coming out of convention Friday and other things is him reaching out, trying to get that done because he does understand and lives it. It's not just Bernie, its the women's movement its a lot of the other movements where they are progressive on certain issues and not progressive on others understand the black community in many ways Joe you and I disagree politically but have the same kind of cultural understanding of the church a lot of them don't have any reference point because it's all intellectual. Do you think that's in part because of the South? I mean, your parents from the South but also the church understanding the church and what a central role it is to churches hip-hop cultures in a lot of a lot of hip hop isn't an anti-Church. I think they just have a cultural divide that they haven't realistically dealt with which is what speaks to Eddie's question. So yeah one thing I will say this Bernie Sanders was always gonna have

38:43 struggles in South Carolina. And the fact that we're independent, I can say this very next statement that a lot of people can't say him being Jewish was not helpful with black Christian. You would say South Carolina is very Christian and very black in that primary not going to be very helpful to his cause and a lot of people won't say that. I think that's what Reverend Al was hinting around about the church But he doesn't have that connection, even though he's been marched within the civil rights movement and has been aware of the civil rights movement all this time. He didn't have that spiritual connection because we saw this with Obama

39:27 Now there's some belief Obama prescribes to a different school of faith that he portrays himself to be, but he even knew. What exactly is that? I mean besides the fact that we suspect he's Muslim what is the perceived faith of Barack Obama? Well from the way he strategically presented it that he was a churchgoer and I think that was the whole Reverend Wright thing that helped him More than hurt him. Hmm because it was like oh he's been going to church all the years Oh, yeah Forget what was said there but yeah He was going in church Okay Yeah Cuz we're talking about to the older black crowd and I can say South Carolina is a major hurdle if you run for president Especially as a Democrat You know to get over so you have to have that Connection with the black church and nothing though that was a real struggle with them

40:23 with Bernie Sanders. Yeah, but there was... I mean if we just look back briefly the push for Joe Biden was all the way through the phony baloney app at the caucuses you know which i don't know if the numbers ever did get reported properly there were all kinds of shenanigans it was so obvious Bernie was going through another screw job! It was just everything you looked at right down to the reporting He said nothing. No, no, yeah, you're right You know what I'm not gonna participate in any more Mainstream media i'm not doing any more interviews, you know, he could get his message out there He could you know sound the alarm to

CHAPTER 13 / 32 Discussion

Rashad Robinson on Sanders' Outreach Failures

Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change, discusses Bernie Sanders' historical weakness with Black voters. Robinson suggests that Sanders' failure was not necessarily his platform, but his lack of engagement and his failure to hire diverse leadership within his campaign. The hosts analyze Robinson's background as an activist who rose to prominence following Hurricane Katrina.

rashad robinson· color of change· bernie sanders· black voters· campaign hiring

41:11 these things that we've spotted. I'm sure his campaign spot it, but he's no nice guy. Nice guy. You do a pretty good Bernie there. So with that said, um, We're going to jump on down to 13 here and will Bernie Sanders struggle with the African American vote? In the coming days, Senator Bernie Sanders is expected to announce that he is entering the 2020 campaign. The Vermont Independent also ran for the presidency in 2016 but failed to beat Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination throughout the campaign. Sanders struggled to match the support Clinton received from black voters. The New York Times looked into whether Sanders can do better in 2020. The paper writes that the senators quote weak track record

42:03 with black voters, a vital base in the Democratic Party could be a potential threat to his candidacy. Let's bring in Rashad Robinson he is the president of Color Of Change, a progressive civil rights advocacy group which has been advising potential presidential candidates Thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having me So you know can Bernie Sanders do something differently to salvage his chances with African-American voters? No now who was this guy that she brought on This is a guy from the color of change. Another activist slash talking head, we're going to get to what he has to say but I want to point out something to people Barack Obama didn't even have the black establishment media support in 08 He did not have it Hillary Clinton had it until they realized that Obama was more viable than Hilary and then they pivoted to her

43:01 So this is not racial. This is about establishment control and we saw that with Joe Biden and Clyburn You know, he caught up his old buddy Clyburn. Hey I need South Carolina Oh, yeah That was the big one his Clyburn's endorsement. I mean that was you couldn't get any bigger? I don't think unless Beyonce had Oprah well We're gonna find out Beyonce is uh not what we think she is later on this show All right Yeah, isn't that amazing that your first black series candidate for president didn't even have the black establishment media's support? Isn't that interesting.

43:42 So it's not about race, it's about power. And Hillary slowly slipped from her in 08', but yeah was about power so this gentleman for color change is going to make some recommendations to Bernie about how he can not struggle with the African American voters Of course he can. I mean, since 2016 you've seen a lot of the country move closer to some of the policies that he was putting out that at the time seemed like bold steps that were impossible. You even have President Obama embracing Medicaid for all and other folks in many of the candidates running

44:26 Absolutely, he can. But you know a senator that comes from Vermont—I have family that live in Vermont who may make up part of the very small black population that lives there—the fact of the matter is is that he hasn't had to engage black voters or black constituency sort of in that muscle and needs to be built on it also was gonna speak to who he hires, who brings on his campaign, whose leadership all about will matter as well This Rashad Robinson is an interesting guy. I guess he came to, he rose up after Hurricane Katrina? I guess like I said yeah i'm familiar with Color of Change but not him personally

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Color of Change and Corporate Diversity Initiatives

The organization Color of Change is described as an activist group that pressures Silicon Valley companies like Google, Facebook, and Airbnb to improve internal diversity. They are also credited with de-platforming groups they label as white nationalists by targeting payment processors like PayPal and MasterCard. The hosts suggest the group's advice to Sanders was essentially a job application for campaign consulting roles.

color of change· rashad robinson· silicon valley· diversity· activism

45:15 But if you want to educate us, I'm more than glad to do it. Well he's a 100% activist organizer or as Wikipedia calls him an American civil rights leader and non-profit executive So yeah, he is running that's the thing after every major event you have these people crop up. Yeah You know and grant in gang notoriety and innocent fame off of these events like Katrina the trademark Martin shooting The my listen to this round shooting. Yeah, but this group it goes beyond that so yes of course they They work very hard

45:53 on working against or actually help pull funding from the American Legislative Exchange Council, which his group claimed was responsible for Stand Your Ground. Which had to do with Trayvon Martin but they've also persuaded businesses including MasterCard and PayPal to stop accepting payments from what they call white nationalist groups I don't know what that means exactly Color of change is credited with working with Silicon Valley companies including Airbnb, Google and Facebook to improve diversity inside their companies. Okay yeah all right now should probably look at his phone in this outfit. And the main takeaway from that clip is it's all about who he hires! Yeah of course

46:45 Not his agenda, not his platform. He needs better talking heads! That was his whole suggestion which basically that was him submitting his application. Yeah right there here's my resume and that didn't fall but Bernie had one problem one huge glaring problem and that was even from the 2016 election with Okay, let's rule out here. The older black folks are gonna go with the establishment right because they just they're familiar with them your Clintons your Obama's you're Biden's by associate association with Obama So the all-black folks are gonna go to Biden or whoever the establishment candidate is right? Right so now Bernie has to say

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Bernie Sanders' 2016 Rejection of Reparations

In a 2015 clip, Bernie Sanders flatly rejects the idea of reparations, calling the concept "divisive" and unlikely to pass Congress. He argues instead for universal investments in healthcare, education, and infrastructure. The hosts contrast his hard "no" on reparations with his support for other potentially divisive policies like DACA and mass immigration.

bernie sanders· reparations· 2016 election· daca· poverty

47:39 How do I reach everybody else in the black community? He has a segment of millennials that are really strong supporting him, but there's this other segment out here like myself that are saying that's the ADARS or foundational blacks native blacks however you want to Or the people that's just disenchanted with the whole Democratic Party. So now he had to figure out how do I get them on board? Well, in 2015 before the 2016 election, he gave a direct answer on reparations

48:19 A lot of African Americans are starting to call for reparations for the many years of stolen labor through slavery. Is that something you would support as president? No, I don't think so. First of all it's likelihood of getting through a congress is nil. Second of all it would be very divisive. The real issue when we look at the poverty rate among the African American community When we look at the high unemployment rate within the African American community, incarceration rate within the African American community. We have a lot of work to do So I think what we should be talking about is making massive investments in rebuilding our cities, and creating millions of decent paying jobs. Making public colleges universities tuition free and working on childcare basically targeting our federal resources to the areas that it is needed the most And where it's needed the most are impoverished communities often African American or Latino

49:16 Well, well, well. Reparations is divisive! Yes How do you like that? Now DACA's not divisive I mean... Oh no! But yeah reparation uh and notice how he said it too It was a hard flat no Yeah oh yeah Now he is the revolutionary right? He supposed to be on the far left of things Uh free I'm saying Medicare for all Almost open borders and all these things. Okay, open boarders I mean, I don't want to put that on him but every almost you know 99% open borders But then we talk about reparations Oh No, this is very divisive. How could I ever get that through Congress? Yes because we don't want other color people of color Getting all pissed off like that won't work

50:09 Isn't that amazing? When we start asking for something, we're worried about how everybody else is supposed to get pissed off. But when you say DACA... Not a problem. No not a problem Yeah, or mass immigration. You know that's not a problem which those people come here to compete with us the so-called black community are quote unquote black community they directly for the The lower level jobs that that's not divisive but when we start asking for something oh yeah, that's divisive as an aside I Was curious So I did look up color of change

CHAPTER 16 / 32 Discussion

ActBlue Funding and Political Front Groups

An investigation into the funding of activist groups like Color of Change reveals they are projects of ActBlue, effectively making them arms of the Democratic National Committee. The hosts discuss how donations intended for social causes are often funneled back into party politics. They use reparations as a "litmus test" to determine if a group or politician is truly advocating for Black interests or just serving the party.

actblue· color of change· black lives matter· dnc· political funding

50:47 They are not their own foundation. They are completely just a project essentially of Act Blue, so this is basically the Democrat Party That's that's who act blue is so when you give to them You're not giving to Rashad or his group? You're giving to the DNC Indirectly through act blue So it's just another another party setup Sorry, we can go back. It just just not irritates me when I see these people you know where are you from? What's your deal so now we know

51:26 And that's good because I love when you track down the money like that, because you even did it with a Black Lives Matter. Just as we're going to take this quick aside... You did it with a Black Lives Matter front that the money was actually going to Chinese organizations! Yeah, right. I forgot about that. So how does that work? Well in hindsight, we understand fully now how that works. Oh yeah, oh yeah now we get it Now we get it but this is why I use reparations Are asking for tangibles as the litmus test like with anybody else the far left.

52:03 They use the $15 hour minimum wage or the Medicare for all as a litmus test for their politicians. If you can't get aboard with that, then it's like you're not real. You don't really mean what you say so that's how we are but the pro-immigration crowd there is open borders are taken down of what is ice? We need to get rid of ice So the black community needs to say, where's the tangibles? And we measure people by that by their reaction to that. Yeah and if you're not even like with Bernie Sanders if you're not even willing to entertain it then know you can't have our vote uh if you're not wanting to put something on a table with that said

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Ta-Nehisi Coates and Chris Hayes on Reparations

Author Ta-Nehisi Coates criticizes Bernie Sanders for dismissing reparations as "politically undoable" while advocating for other radical policies that face similar legislative hurdles. MSNBC's Chris Hayes suggests that the Democratic Party is a "multiracial coalition" that might "snap" if reparations were pursued, as it would alienate white and Latino voters. The hosts argue this proves the leverage Black voters have over the party.

ta-nehisi coates· chris hayes· bernie sanders· reparations· democratic coalition

52:51 Ta-Nehisi Coates, who is a major proponent for reparations picked up on the same thing I did. And this is still back in 2016 election. We haven't got to 2020 yet but let's listen to Ta-Nehisi Coates on Bernie Sanders. Well, I simply didn't understand his answer. To be blunt—the senator whose campaign I respect, who I respect, who I've considered very, very courageous, who some people in my household that are a lot younger than me actually support and have been very vocal about supporting, I think has inspired quite a number of people with this willingness to put solutions on the table that a lot of folks consider outside of the politically doable

53:39 And so then to see him dismiss reparations simply because, you know it is not politically doable in his opinion just felt completely off. It felt out of tune with the entire spirit of his campaign You know he mentioned that the chances for getting reparations through Congress are nil In fact a senator advocates several things whose chances in congress are also nil Well that's kind of I guess Bernie gave up? Not gonna happen Can't do it Or if you're gonna take just my narrative, or just my theory. If your control opposition is like Bernie whatever you do

54:20 Don't entertain reparations. Ixnay on the apparitions ray, yeah right because if he entertains that and he's seen as a radical then you might pick up steam behind him we're still in 16 here yeah we're not even in 20 so...I'm liking this theory this is a good one! Chris Hayes is going to chime in. He's going to play Devil's Advocate against Ta-Nehisi. But isn't... I'm just basically adopt a pose of Devil's Advocate for the moment, since we don't have the Sanders people here and they never responded right? So

55:01 One thing I would say is the elephant in the room here, obviously. Is that the Democratic Party right now is a multiracial coalition but it's a multiracial coalition that is capable of snapping in the sense that calculation has made their reparations would essentially be so anathema to considerable number of democratic white voters particularly democratic white and Latino voters, non-black voters That just blow up even what what might ultimately end up as a protest candidacy. Okay, so then why not respond and say that? Why not say that? Oh! Whoops! Yeah the black people start asking for something we just might have the whole party snapped This is a problem Are you hearing this?! And we're talking about the far right here No We're talking about Democratic voters

55:54 white and Latino persuasion. They just can't swallow black people getting reparations that would just blow the whole thing up! Everyone will get pissed off. This is what Chris Hayes said, there'll be some kung fu fighting right? So my thing is this everybody asks me Wilma why are you so hard on the Democrats for because we have the most power over them We will snap your whole little charade if you don't play along. Wait, do I hear an angry black man on the podcast? You might just hear...I'm not saying that! I'm letting people know and i'm not angry. I'm just letting people know that this is why we're doing what we're doing.

CHAPTER 18 / 32 Discussion

Bernie Sanders' Evasive Stance on The Breakfast Club

During an interview on The Breakfast Club, Bernie Sanders appears confused by the definition of reparations, asking "what does that mean?" He suggests addressing racism through the banking system rather than direct cash payouts. The hosts argue that Sanders' refusal to even "waffle" on the issue in 2020 proves he was not seriously trying to win the Black vote.

bernie sanders· charlamagne tha god· the breakfast club· reparations· banking system

56:33 if it's not lost on us that the power that we have over the democratic party no you're gonna build banter i will or snap which one is it I mean I'm okay you could lose 2020 2024 2028. How does this sound democrats Ivanka Trump as president look the negative vote does I couldn't resist. Don Jr., let's lock them all up and then we can bring our husband back around, it doesn't matter to me because the reason why i say that is if it doesn't matter to you that you know were old now you could ask any

57:14 Democratic supporter and most will say yeah you know slavery was a bad thing you know I think we should do something about it but then you said okay what size is that check do you need to write well now they're getting a little crazy. We need a committee, we need a committee to look at it and discuss it first. Right, we need a committee to think about writing a check not the amount thats going on the check but even writing a check That was a beautiful alley there and I'm going to oop it on home with the Breakfast Club, Bernie Sanders won. Now why does it seem like this week you've been kind of dodging the reparations question?

57:50 Senator Harris and Senator Warren have both kind of spoken out, and said that they agree with some form of reparations. Well what the question is... I'm not dodging the question! The question is what do we mean by reparations? It seems to me a lot of people mean a lot of different things. To my mind it means that we have to deal with the fact that there is enormous disparity uh... between the black community and the white community and that issue has got to be addressed, and I've indicated you some of the ways but i think it should be addressed. Well I think they mean some type of economic empowerment for African descendants of slaves But what does that mean? Economic empowerment? I just talked about the fact that I would do my best to change the banking system to make sure we end racism That we pay attention to distressed communities That people get the loans they need To make the investments they need

58:39 You must be cash payouts. No If only we had known we just have to talk to the banks they're responsible for racism Thank you Bernie now I understand and uh, I want to say something now We made the jump from the Ta-Nehisi Coates that was 2016 this last clip was in a 2020 round Okay He's still no. No, it's amazing how sharp his know is when he talks about writing that check but also Politicians, but you know they massage your answer I was gonna say it shows me that either he completely understands as you point out with your theory That that is a non-starter and as controlled opposition. He is not to do that or

59:23 He's completely oblivious, has no idea what the importance of a number payout would be. His whole question was what does that mean? You're confused I don't understand... With any other group of people if he is talking to the unions Politics boil down to money at the end of the day. Yes, sir How much money can we? Secure for ourself now when it comes to black people you like oh what what does that mean yeah I mean ain't talking gonna be enough You know Yeah, I'm a little animated a but just a tad yeah, you can't you can't be that dumb and

1:00:06 You can't be that dumb, that you don't know what reparation means. I mean it's... Not if you're running as a Democrat and you want the black vote, you at least waffle! He could have waffled around it easily. Politicians waffle all the time like well we had to see... That's a good catch man. We had to see the climate and right is no his nose in 2015 or 16th election was hard No 2020 Charlamagne to God, asks him some direct questions. He plays this dumb role out on... What does that mean? I don't know! Yeah he would have known long by now that was not the right answer Not if you want to win

CHAPTER 19 / 32 Discussion

HR 40 and the Native American Comparison

Bernie Sanders eventually co-sponsored HR 40, a bill to study reparations, which the hosts view as a "dodge" to avoid committing to actual payouts. In a follow-up interview, Sanders deflects the question of Black reparations by bringing up the plight of Native Americans. The hosts criticize this "whataboutism" and note that Joe Biden was the only major candidate who did not co-sponsor the bill.

bernie sanders· hr 40· reparations· native americans· joe biden

1:00:49 If you wanted to win, you go back in 2016 like how do I come over and answer for this reparations question? That would have been one of your... because if you want to win, you gotta get the black vote. And even in 16, reparations was picking up same then and it's nowhere near like it is now Are you going to introduce us to the man behind the curtain that's controlling Bernie Sanders or are you just gonna keep me hanging Well, we had to wait and see Make sure the glasses are on okay. Yeah But I will say this now Charlemagne's point of view or why he's asking this question is not coming from a Genuine place because do we know his dog in the fight at this time was Kamala Harris right? So it was let's get Bernie into our corner and

1:01:42 That Kamala Harris is already addressed. It's not lost to me, but wait what did what does Kamala do? I can't recall if she had any reparations plans Do you see HR 40 HR 40? All right, will it write right write that yeah without that was the let's go hang out and talk about it Right all the Democratic Nominees supported HR 40 except one could you guess who that one is all of them but one Bernie Sanders by any chance a Joe Biden the one that actually went to the election. No way! How do you like that? That's crazy.

1:02:25 Bernie Sanders continues on with the Black Breakfast Club in part two. Tell me what you want to say about that? You don't agree with that? Why don't you agree with it? Well, first of all I mean just a check for every African-American? Yes! Well then there's a check for every Native American. Oh brother... They wiped out when the settlers first came here. I think the way we go forward is to build America together There are distressed communities white communities they're distressed Latino communities right now what you have is a government owned and controlled by big money interest worries about wall street in the drug companies we're going to change that but we're gonna pay attention for the needs of working families are low-income families uh... in this country where do you have never said his government has also systemically oppressed us in a way that they haven't pressed other other communities through slavery desegregation now mass incarceration and my biggest resubmitted on specifically for african americans

1:03:17 I enjoyed Bernie's initial answer there. Well, how about the Native Americans? Well Bernie yeah but a lot of work has been done with the Native Americans. By the way be careful what you wish for Mr. Mo because you see what Native Americans got they got their reparations now they all got casinos and alcoholics That's a generalization, but... No that's true. But let us deal with that problem when we cross that bridge. You know? That's the thing is that

1:03:57 He acts like they haven't got anything or this is thing. Well, what about it? And then we have to give it to this group but I didn't hear any of this talk when they start talking about gay reparations are you know our when AOC recently came out and said about reparations to people of color aka colored people there was none as pushed back then but it's like when you talk about specifically for black No, that can't he is a hard no and it's they play dumb and they don't understand and I call BS because Bernie Sanders has been around the black community. Let him tell it in a civil rights movement 6060s correct? Yeah So he has to be aware of some of the black socialists

CHAPTER 20 / 32 Discussion

W.E.B. Du Bois and the History of Black Socialism

The hosts present archival audio of W.E.B. Du Bois discussing the history of socialism and communism within the Black community. Du Bois defends his membership in the Socialist Party and his study of Karl Marx, arguing that McCarthyism made America afraid to discuss these ideologies. The hosts argue that as a self-proclaimed socialist, Bernie Sanders should be more familiar with these historical Black radical traditions.

w.e.b. du bois· socialism· communism· mccarthyism· the crisis

1:04:44 Figures and this is the part of show that we always have to go back to get you saying it get full context of Socialism in black people. Yes, and with that said I want to listen to W e be the boy speak on socialism and American Negro Ladies and gentlemen socialism and the American Negro Theocracy has so disappeared in the United States But there are some subjects that cannot even be discussed The essence of the democratic process is free discussion. There was a time when men were not allowed to talk about universal suffrage or the education of women, or freedom for Negro slaves Today communism is the dirty word and socialism is suspect

1:05:40 So socialism is nothing new in the black community. Neither is communism and we're gonna have a full show on that one day But that's it That's the big thing to get your arms around just fully but we're just gonna nibble at the edges today If you are student of the black movement as he says, he is You aware with WB boy course? Oh, you're aware with how black people have used socialism so all you have to do is you know, listen to the forefathers of this movement or the civil rights movement which was a socialist at best arguably a communist movement. We've laid it out in previous shows The Connections but with that said let's just listen to W.E.B Du Bois continue on with clip two. In this state and in our time

1:06:35 occurred one of the worst blows to the democratic process which our nation has suffered. Senator McCarthy succeeded in making America afraid to discuss socialism or to recognize communism as aught but conspiracy, and this in the state of Robert La Follette I knew Le Follette and his valiant wife. I voted for him for president in 1924 And I saw him give his life fighting monopolized wealth and asking world peace. My own work at the time was trying to secure freedom and equality for American Negroes, for a quarter of a century I edited the little monthly magazine The Crisis. Despite opposition, I spoke plainly. I was criticized as being bitter, seeking not simply political but social equality for Negroes, for favoring the teachings of Karl Marx

1:07:38 and for joining the socialist party. These accusations were true." Huh, didn't know that. So when you have a Hoover which is quote-unquote black man we've covered that too Not even quote unquote he's passable Right, he's passable. I mean black by the one drop criteria. He's a black man When he comes after these people on the under the guise of communism There is some validity there you still saying absolutely We can't we can't play this game. I'm just saying I'm just going to show you that

CHAPTER 21 / 32 Discussion

Martin Luther King Jr. on Economic Subsidies

Audio of Martin Luther King Jr. highlights his argument that the U.S. government provided massive economic floors for white European peasants through land grants and subsidies while refusing to do the same for Black Americans. King frames this as a form of reparations for the "white peasants of Europe." The hosts suggest Sanders failed to use this iconic "tool" to justify his own socialist platform to Black voters.

martin luther king jr· reparations· land-grant colleges· federal subsidies· socialism

1:08:21 If Bernie Sanders is the socialist, socialist dude and a student of the black civil rights movement he should know these things. And if we didn't know that maybe it's a little too out there for him Maybe he shouldn't know about MLK view on reparation. At same time that America refused to give the Negro in at last through an act of Congress Our government was giving away millions of acres of land in the West and the Midwest, which meant that it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor. But not only did they give the land

1:09:08 They built land-grant colleges with government money to teach them how to farm. Not only that, they provided county agents To further their expertise in farming not only that they provided low interest rates In order that they could mechanize our farms not only that today many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies You know,

1:09:58 That's interesting. You would think that a pure socialist would have understood how to use socialism, certainly with iconic figures like this, to use that to his advantage with the so-called black community? Yeah but he didn't and I gotcha! No i'm with you what you're doing here is you're laying out every single reason why Bernie Sanders actually just was not trying to win. And he had all the tools in his tool belt to win, I mean... Including socialism! The biggest hammer you got

1:10:43 And included MLK, which is the biggest tool in the black toolbox. I mean because all he had to say was uh To the establishment Democrats Oh You are MLK don't you? MLK like socialism yeah exactly Right i mean He said All he had do was set him up right first and people can play at home with this With your friends Yeah you do support MLK right now Aww yeah we love Dr King Y'all We love him You know he was pro reparations right And then just watch your mouth fall open. Just try it and see how it works out for you. It's the Mo Facts with Adam Curry at Home game, have fun with it! Let us know how that works out.

CHAPTER 22 / 32 Discussion

Paul Robeson and the Primary Wealth of America

The hosts introduce Paul Robeson, an NFL player, actor, and activist who was blacklisted during the McCarthy era for his communist sympathies. In archival audio, Robeson explains that the "primary wealth of America" was built upon the backs of enslaved Black people. Mo Facts defines reparations not as a handout, but as "money paid for services rendered" to correct this historical theft of labor.

paul robeson· communism· mccarthy era· accumulated wealth· free labor

1:11:34 And one of the giants on the, and this is more far left communist icons was one Mr. Paul Robeson now just a little background on Paul Robeson before we get into the clip he is a nationalist by heart inside joke. He was an American bass baritone. Uh, he was a film actor, music or recording artist But he was also known for his political activism, so much so that he got himself in some trouble. His sympathies for the Soviet Union and for communism. His criticism of United States government and foreign policy caused him to be blacklisted or white-balled on this show during the McCarthy era.

1:12:29 Yeah, so with that said let's listen to Mr. Paul Robeson speak on the black experience in America How is it that the American Negro who for so long has been a second-class citizen and United still is I'm sorry Well how long have isn't that he's contributed so much to culture? well music dance everything you can think of but they come back to its why would say the Africans or And the American Negroes have turned out to be an extraordinarily gifted people. The great tragedy is that by not making us full-class citizens as yet in America, they may be losing I don't know how much yet. And to come back, I would say that unquestionably I am an American born there

1:13:15 My father's slave there, upon the backs of my people was developed the primary wealth of America. The primary wealth! You have to have accumulated wealth to start you know? To build. You did it another way here in Australia. You had to build your accumulated wealth too. He just came and took it. And that is what they did most of the countries. That's what you Europeans did. They just took it. We got to catch up with ya a little bit. So in America so... There's a lot of America that belongs to me yet. Do yo understand? Wow, this is really an interesting guy you've introduced me to Moe. I don't think I was familiar with Paul Robeson Oh very interesting He was an NFL player as well as an actor and an activist he spoke singer multiple languages Yeah, he spoke multiple languages including Swahili holy crap interest with saying that

1:14:10 Bernie Sanders, he has to be on Bernie Sanders radar. I mean he was out and out communist like hardcore So if you're a student of that what your so-called beliefs are socialism and that line blurs with communism at some point It's not clear where the one begins in one ends You should be aware with Paul Robeson into the things that he described in this and it's clip here Let me say this for the new listeners. Reparations is not a handout, it is money paid for services rendered if you believe in the African American slavery narrative. A reason why I say narrative because we talked about before how that's been played up as well as a mind control mechanism but

1:15:07 Just the facts of you have people working without being paid that helped America get off to a great start. And that's what Paul Robeson laid out there with free labor So with that said, how now why does he keep saying a hard? No if you're truly a socialist There's only one. Again, it comes back to he didn't want to win and all you have to do not win is not satisfy the so-called black voting bloc that's all you need to do then in fact that's probably why a Democrat will not win at all from the likes of it and from what I...and only because I've been doing this show with you do I think that because you know your middle of it

CHAPTER 23 / 32 Discussion

Transactional Politics and Trump's Stimulus Checks

The hosts predict a low Black voter turnout in 2020 due to disenchantment with the Democratic Party. They discuss the political impact of President Trump's $1,200 stimulus checks, noting the strategic branding of having his name on physical checks. They emphasize that politics is "transactional, not emotional," and that direct financial benefits influence voters more than rhetoric.

donald trump· stimulus checks· voter turnout· transactional politics· branding

1:15:52 Yeah, because we know the numbers like I said just run the numbers down to people in 2012 they had 63% voter turnout and they won it dropped down to 57 and 2016 they lost. And now think is if I was a betting man, I would say it's going to come in around 50 or below Wow, and this one because people are One the boogeyman is not as bad as they say he was gonna be two People are disenchanted three I'm gonna say this, these Trump stimulus checks are coming at the right time. That's going to play a major role as well! This does help for sure. And that's not only with the black community because

1:16:43 When you give people $1,200... Yes. Attention is paid and from what I understand if it's really true that there's no denial that on the physical checks for a lot of the unbanked And a lot of poor people have no bank. They'll get a check that actually says Coronavirus stimulus and it'll have the president's name on it just to remind you where the money came from people Just so you know, this is that guy that guys a little branding a little vote for smart Yeah Which that's how politics works? It's not emotional I keep saying its transactional yeah now

1:17:26 One thing that wasn't locked on Bernie Sanders was... Wait, wait. Say that again! Make sure people hear what you just said about politics Yeah it's not emotional its transactional Boom That's it That's what people gotta remember That's all it is and that's why I can laugh about these things and no um Not be caught up by the propaganda because I look at it with where do I stand to gain? If it doesn't make sense You know what I'm saying What did he say if don't make dollars don't makes sense? That's right That's where we're at But one thing that wasn't lost on Bernie Sanders is him employing celebrities himself to help him with this charade of a campaign. Yeah, the so-called surrogates who go out and also do interviews and promote his message Right! And one of those being Mr. Killer Mike He's a rapper he's from the South which I think was smart move if you're trying to make it look good

CHAPTER 24 / 32 Discussion

Killer Mike and the Radical Policy Debate

Rapper Killer Mike appears on CNN to support Bernie Sanders' "radical" policies, including universal healthcare and ending the school-to-prison pipeline. However, in a separate conversation with Tone Talks, the limitations of HR 40 are discussed. They argue that supporting a "study" of reparations is often a way for politicians to avoid actually implementing them.

killer mike· bernie sanders· cnn· hr 40· tone talks

1:18:24 But let's just listen to killer Mike support Bernie Sanders on CNN I think that like the America that dare to stop being colonies and become a country We need to do the most radical and progressive calls that we can. We need to be radical and progressive in our policy And we need to not trust in this moment, fear. We need to not trust saying let's play it safe I think we need to play the radical idea that formed America we need to do that right now and push radical policy. I think that universal health care is doable. I think that wiping away student loans so the next 20 years of students lives can be invested in making a better America not just paying back debt is good. I think trade school is good

1:19:09 think ending the school to prison pipeline is good and we have to think that radically in order to come to the solutions that we need as a country to progress. So it explains a lot why you are backing the candidate who is, you know, the revolutionist of sorts and he's talked about a political revolution What was missing from that list of radical ideas? We're gonna get rid of, we got a universal health care check. Student loan debt check. Trade schools checked and as Killer Mike said he said that we need now is not the time for fear No, now it's time. You know we have an this evening CNN lady was oh, he's a revolutionist That's the best part this this wasn't you from this this round from the 2020 election

1:20:02 No, he's been with him for 2016. Oh I didn't even know that oh wow yes he's been with him for 2006 this is from the first round of things and you would think that if you if your his go to black Confidant or you know a surrogate he was like hey Bernie. Hey, you gotta get a better answer than no on reparations Waffle a bit man bake some pancakes Yeah But what the beauty of it was? Mr.. Killer Mike sat down and talked to tone talks Anthony more Ados let me make this clear from the ados group Not the Ados lineage. And we have to draw that, when we talk about Ados,

1:20:48 Separately because they lost the human beings versus a toss the political movement, right? Because the political movement even did some funny business Yeah with the down ballot but that thing and like I said if we're gonna apply this litmus test and no Tangibles no vote. They they stepped online and got out of pocket But this is before they got out of pocket. This isn't I think right before HR 40 hearing kicked off Tone talks and killer Mike sit down and talk about the 2020 election Well, this is part of I think what's going on And this is my push back to HR 40 when you actually read the bill. I believe that it's very basic in bland to be so I've been here So long I think that if it doesn't have an apology in a range of at least we know It's gonna be multiple trillions of dollars

1:21:37 Right now my problem with whether it be Sanders Harris whoever I believe that they're supporting HR 40 to avoid reparations not to support it. That's my Thing is, I just think that I think without it this country like I just know this country You don't mean I think without it and my thing doesn't have to go as you know You can amend it you could beef it up. You can make it better You could take the meat of an in-ass some add some seasoning. I just think without nothing ever happens That's bullcrap HR 40 can't add some sauce to it. Oh just amend it oh That was and I put HR 40 in the show notes if you go to archive dot Mo facts comm You can find all our show notes The horse crap is amended no Let me give a little context of that now we heard Bernie Sanders say in 2016 and 2020 know

CHAPTER 25 / 32 Discussion

The Ease of Funding Trillion-Dollar Initiatives

The hosts argue that the rapid passage of the $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package proves that the government can "create money out of thin air" when it has the political will. They dismiss the excuse that reparations are too expensive, noting that the mechanism for trillion-dollar payouts has now been clearly demonstrated. They refer to this as "immunized money" that bankers have figured out how to issue without immediate hyperinflation.

reparations· stimulus package· inflation· immunized money· federal budget

1:22:29 on giving checks, right? But when HR 40 came around he signed onto it and that was the conversation on should we issue checks or not. Not what the size of the check needs to be or how the check is gonna be spent but it was whether we should have it or not and he was using that as political shelter Because he could easily slide up on the HR 40 and be like, oh yeah I'm for reparations now. Even though you said twice out of your mouth on platforms even while being prodded no no He keeps saying no This is where Killer Mike is disingenuous because... Yeah I was just going to read the uh HR40 Just read the preamble so you know what this actually was about

1:23:23 So I'll read the legalese, but it's English. To address the fundamental injustice cruelty brutality and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to study and consider a national apology, and proposal for reparations for institution of slavery its subsequent de jure and defacto racial economic discrimination against African Americans. And the impact of these forces on living African-Americans to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies and for other purposes

1:24:06 Did anything ever come out of this? Did this thing pass by the way, I don't know. A bunch a blah blah blah It never passed right it never passed we just had a lot to talk about it never even got out of the committee really A lot of talk, but now look at that in the light of the $2 trillion they just coughed up for everything altogether. I didn't see a panel being called for that! I didn't say, you know we need to sit down and look at the test. We need a test to see how... No! They just went in there they wrote the check and it was done. Here's what i will say about this- The way this was done.. And I think we all understand that getting pandemic stimulus money may be not the best time to say oh by the way let's cut a check for reparations however

1:25:07 The mechanism by which it was done through this new immunized money, which is a way of as I understand it creating money that doesn't...that is not inflationary. So it doesn't inflate our money supply and by the way if you believe that I got some great swampland in Florida but let's just leave it to the bankers they figured out how to make it not inflationary It has been explained to me by the same bankers who do this stuff So cutting another trillion dollar check will in effect be very easy. Very, very easy! So if the political will is there it's really not a problem to do it

1:25:48 So that's part of the battle because we now have seen the mechanism. We know how it's done, we know how to do more of it. We'll certainly be doing more for the country as a whole moving forward no doubt about it but thats what cool about it. Immunize money you could create a trillion dollar reparations check if you want. It is symbolic like I always say the trillion dollar number is more symbolic Because it's like when you throw a trillion on something, it shows your seriousness behind it. Yeah so What this does is it shows the ease that you can get a trillion dollar bill Like I said You can create money out of thin air if you really want to create it Oh yeah So now they can't double back around and give us his bullcrap. It's just so hard! No that part is now gone That excuse is not gonna work

1:26:42 It's a similar. I keep saying the Obama when he got in the office now, it's like we got our guy in there Yeah, why are we not seeing movement? Now is this similar case? We've seen you cough up two trillion dollars over a week conversation not weak isn't EA but ee-ee Over a week's time so it's like yeah You y'all talk for a week and came back with 2.2 trillion dollars Like it wasn't nothing So now we don't want to hear this anymore. But before we get into any more money talk, I think it would be a good time to thank the people that keep us going Adam.

CHAPTER 26 / 32 Discussion

Talib Kweli and the Dream Defenders

Rapper Talib Kweli and activist Phillip Agnew discuss Bernie Sanders' evolution on reparations. The hosts reveal that Agnew's organization, the Dream Defenders, is funded through ActBlue, linking it directly to the Democratic National Committee. They also address Kweli's public hostility toward the ADOS (American Descendants of Slavery) movement, which he has labeled a "hate cult."

talib kweli· dream defenders· actblue· ados· phillip agnew

1:40:46 Yeah, we saw killer Mike Cardi B was one of his most when his biggest supporters and a rapper or not she came out and embraced him and he reciprocated with entertaining her Conversation. Yep foot on one of the podcasts I listen to Talib Kali had Philip Agnew On his show and just a little background on Philip Agnew He is from the Dream Defenders and the Dream Defenders is an American activist group aimed at ending police in prisons.

1:41:25 ending police in prisons, I don't know how that works. Ending prisons but as a part of their policy is geared towards people of color aka colored people who share the goal of multiracial organizing among other goals they espouse the end of prison to school pipeline etc etc so just to give you an idea One is a rapper and another is the activist in this conversation. The rappers gonna do the majority of the talking and God all these next three clips is that people know This is actually a question a three-minute question, but uh Getting number 28 Taliban Philip Agnew no doubt so but here's the thing So one more one more one more brain thing. Mm-hmm

1:42:13 Bernie Sanders went on a morning show program in the top of 2019 and They asked about reparations. Yeah, and he was like what is what does that really mean? What are we really talking about and in my opinion in the opinion of a lot of people who have been pro-reparation for A long time He flubbed that one And there was an answer that just he could have did better at and I personally feel like he should have been more informed About that situation since then He has become a co-sponsor on HR 40. Right, HR 40 is a pro reparations bill There's a movement called ADOS that has been very critical of the HR 40 bill I have famously been very critical of ADOS right? I'm not a fan right um i feel like they're an anti immigrant Anti black hate cult What?! That's working for the GOP but you know I don't want to get into that with you Ados is an anti immigrant anti black hate group

1:43:05 Yes, and we heard those talking points from the ADOS versus foundational blacks Show we had now just a little clarity Me mr. Talib have had words via Twitter via Twitter. No, I was one of her for a Just to let everybody know that now he has been very dismissive and negative towards the ADOS. Well all things ADOS, it sounds like. Because he didn't make the distinction between the people and political group as I do but he also said a D O S which just makes just pisses me off

1:43:52 Right cuz he knows it's a DOS. He knows it's a DOS he had to say that like that It was a little weird very dismissive and his brother has been spotted in congressional hearings working with one miss Kamala Harris so There is that and then I owe my youtube platform? I did another show me. I did an independent show on him And how He was at one time a non-voter. But Obama invites him to gala at the White House and he signs a picture for his grandma, and now he's this huge Obama acolyte. May I point out one more thing? Yes And this is part of the MOFAX with Adam Curry Play Along At Home game So I went to Dream Defenders

1:44:47 And the way you find out where the money is coming from, is you just hit the donate button. Now you hit the donate button and they have to tell you, they have to disclaim somewhere at the bottom in the fine print who the money is going to I'll give you one guess where the Dream Defenders' money is going to Act blue? Yes! Another 100% Democrat National Committee funded outfit. This is great and they're not bashful about it either That's very interesting two people offering us support or advice to Bernie Sanders being funneled back to act blue. Mm-hmm. That's that's why I love doing the show No, no stone is left unturned You know could we come two different wheelhouses but will get the full picture when we were saying when we come together But yeah So you can hear his very dismissive tone he even wrote a piece and I don't

CHAPTER 27 / 32 Discussion

The Political Utility of HR 40

The hosts discuss how HR 40 became a "silver bullet" for Democratic candidates to signal support for Black voters without committing to specific legislation. They credit the ADOS movement for identifying that politicians were using the bill as "political coverage." They argue that Black voters have the most leverage over Democrats and should demand "tangibles" in exchange for their votes.

hr 40· ados· cory booker· kamala harris· democratic party

1:45:48 Want to give any light to the piece, but the title of was a Doss's trash. Yeah So that just lets you know where he's coming from But let's listen to this three-minute question that he has, part two. But since you're a Bernie guy, Bernie is one of their main targets and from what the research I've done with ADOS is on their website ados101.com they support an HR 40 it said HR40 must be passed there was part of their black agenda yes right? And When Democrats rallied behind H.R 40 following the leader Cory Booker Yeah, Cory Booker took up that that that man torch yeah And he he latched on to hr-40 became a co-sponsor Kamala Harris which people have problems with Elizabeth Warren or Peter at poverty me Duckworth Bernie Sanders basically all the top Democrats running except for Joe Biden right became co-sponsors of HR 40 right the moment that happened

1:46:48 The founders of ADOS started speaking bad against HR 40. I'm of the opinion that they started speaking bad against HR40 because they work for the GOP and they couldn't be seen agreeing with Democrats on anything. Wow, that's crazy! And the question goes on... But hold one second, so he is talking about people who had signed onto support HR 40. And maybe I'm confused, but it sounds like there were politicians, senators we had a number of them running who would all sign this oh yeah and i support this you know you can put that in the bill who was co-signing or co-sponsoring it Joe Biden has no political standing so I don't know if they where would he sign up?

1:47:35 You know what I'm saying? Right. So, he could offer his support for it but what happened here is this people are intelligent enough to know when things are being used for political coverage and that's what this HR 40 thing was it was the Silver bullet to the reparations problem. Okay, okay you twisted my arm I'll sign on HR 40 and people were supposed to stop asking questions now have to give credit to a toss the political group because they sniffed this out and it's true that they were in support HR 40 before it became popular but

1:48:14 the Democratic Party realized that, hey you know what we can use this HR 40 thing as you know. We really don't have to do anything with it as you pointed out yourself never really got anywhere but if we sign on to it... It looked good. Yes and you know what? This is what reminds me of- You remember when the Republicans used to be the ones each day had to sign pledges yeah of allegiance yep We've done a complete flip now. And now it's the Democrats signing these allegiance, their allegiance to certain causes but this was dead in the water and like Tone Talks pointed out before that and that's what Killer Mike kind of got

1:49:00 Taken taken aback by that these Democrats are using this as coverage Everybody could see this. You know, I mean the people they invited there was not even serious to the To the panel it was like who are these people that you're inviting? Even though you told me it wasn't important. I still had to look at Talib's Article that he wrote right which is why a DOS is trash receipts attached And I think the key line is here's the Ados position Is that we should not vote for those who are new to the show ados American descendants of slavery The Ados position is that we should not vote for any Democrats unless they promise to support reparations But a dos doesn't hold the GOP to the same standard Yeah, but it's not what he coats yeah clip

1:49:58 we have the most leverage over the Democrats. I mean, what are we gonna say? Yeah, we're not going to give you a vote that we weren't gonna give you anyway? Republicans will go all right bro thanks. Okay yeah we knew that And then it goes to show you that he's completely full of, you were saying crap. Because as we've seen and things played out a dog came back with this slighter hand trick of voting down ballot which nobody actually votes down ballot. You vote straight ticket which would have been a vote for the Democrats anyway so everybody has been exposed like the litmus test is tangibles right?

CHAPTER 28 / 32 Discussion

Critiquing Celebrity Political Surrogates

The hosts critique celebrity activists like Talib Kweli and Killer Mike, characterizing them as "tools of the Democratic plantation." Using a controversial historical analogy, they suggest these figures act as intermediaries who take talking points from the "house" to the "field" to keep the masses aligned with the party. They argue these celebrities prioritize their proximity to power over actual radical change.

talib kweli· killer mike· celebrity surrogates· democratic party· house negro analogy

1:50:38 And you see him, oh they're asking Democrats for tangibles. I mean how's that a problem? And he claims to be pro reparations! That's the crazy thing He claims to be pro reparations and Dream Defenders or whatever it is called Yeah, Dream Defenders claim to be pro reparations as well But it's like when you start holding people's feet to the fire, or you can't do that. You're being a little too rough but let's continue on with the three-minute question for Talib Kweli with part 3 I like the fact that Bernie Sanders is fluid enough because he also was on tape in 2015

1:51:18 Actually speaking against reparations, he has changed his position. He's gotten more information and he has spoken out...He is a co-sponsor of HR 40 What do you have to say about people who say that HR40 is just a study and it has no teeth? Because ADOS are people who are sympathetic to their cause The Democrats don't really support reparations because HR 40 is a dodge, is what they're calling it. Yeah. Hello? Can you read? It isn't dog shit. I don't understand how he doesn't get this and he even mentioned in 2015 and then the 2019 question that was posed to Bernie Sanders and he said no to both. So where was the evolution of his viewpoint or reparations

1:52:13 Doesn't seem to be there. We heard it for ourself He said no in 2015 hard No, then he come back 2019 Charlemagne You know kind of try to coach them again and ask him about check payouts. No with no explanation So where's his evolution or? you know evolving of Bernie Sanders on the reparations a topic that quality to live quality spoke of is complete yes, he's an agent of change mo He's out there to change your mind. Well, he knows the talking points I mean uh but he was fully exposed but i mean we can continue and we want to have to continue on that But you see and then I just wanna reference some kind of things that Mr. Phillip Stop stop stop stop Are these guys so we have um Talib We have Killer Mike Who else do we have?

1:53:16 Cardi B? Well, not Cardi B. Are you doing rappers or what? No I'm doing people who have these fronts who have these so-called like dream defenders and what was the other one we looked at was the other organization... Color of Change Is this not, and maybe this is wrong for me to bring up but it's just not the definition of house Negroes? Is that not what these people are when you see that they're 100% tools of the democratic plantation. Well, see that's what they're playing on and we just gonna get into the house Negro feel Negro spectrum They masked themselves as field Negros that were out here with the common people right? I mean s and that's their analogy to that. Yes Okay inside the room. Yeah as a separate self admittedly Roland Martin

1:54:12 We gotta get inside the house. If we can get inside the house, then we can talk to Master and change his mind." It's mad crazy! Right? Whereas Talib Kweli... I'm gonna get killed for this but i don't give a rat's ass anyway You have Talia, Kweli and these other people that run up to the porch and get their talking points from Masa. It's like, uh... Like okay then they tell him it's like yeah go tell them I'm doing this and iIm doing that you know make it look good and they come out to the field like oh we're gonna take Masa house over you know what I'm saying? And Bro, we see the plate of food is being left on the porch for you. I'm sorry that cracks me up but yes you're gonna get killed for it but thank you. That was fantastic! I don't feel rat's ass because at the end of day...I don't play those games and your not going to play those games on me and your not going to play those games on people who only watch 5 minute news where these people are rolled out or a segment on MSNBC or whatever

1:55:15 Yeah, to give talking points because that's what they do and the Democrats understand this name. I okay We need factions in both the house and the field and it you know And then there's a lot of helpers and their daughters right there. Yes where we're old you're saying well won't you know? Well, we don't want better working hours in the field Like would be free yeah Well, I digress. I'm sorry about that. No, that's good! Thank you. Yeah... I loved hearing it. Right, um... Now Cardi B let's get back to Cardi- Oh!

CHAPTER 29 / 32 Discussion

Cardi B's Interview with Bernie Sanders

Rapper Cardi B conducted an Instagram Live interview with Bernie Sanders to discuss his endorsement of Joe Biden. Cardi B admitted she had not researched Biden but wanted to use her platform to understand the endorsement. The hosts describe this as "Black-tivation," a cynical attempt by the Democratic elite to use popular but uninformed celebrities to influence minority voters.

cardi b· bernie sanders· joe biden· instagram live· black-tivation

1:55:52 Yeah, so okay. So Cardi B Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden Since Bernie dropped out when I were at the point now we're at the beginning of this show He's dropped out now So he went all way around the block to give you the full picture of how he got to the point of dropping out Bernie Sanders and Cardi B taught Biden former presidential candidate grilled by a famous rapper Exactly, this is really cool. So Senator Bernie Sanders teamed up with guess who? Cardi B for a live Instagram interview the outspoken supporter of Sanders had an Instagram Live yesterday and she sat down with Bernie Sanders and had some really interesting things to say about why Senator Sanders suspended his campaign And more importantly she talked about why now he's backing Joe Biden and so is she take a listen at this

1:56:43 So now we have 45 and Joe Biden. And you know me, since I've been so on you and so focused on you, I haven't really done my research well on Joe Biden. I will want to tell my platform why are you endorsing him? Yes, Cardi B. We're gonna find out why yeah Cardi B. By the way Cardi B not Adolfs just want everyone to know No What is she? And it's amazing. I'm getting good at recognizing this, see now i can do the paper bag test with my eyes now. She's uh... Oh I got here Dominican and Spanish yeah okay got it right and she's been very um said some very inflammatory things about black people as well so really yeah yes yes

1:57:42 Yes, I mean you can go look it up for yourself. Well, we're not gonna get into the chatty Patty stuff But just since you brought that up It was that very questionable but you have to ask yourself hold on hold on hold on. I gotta stop ya I'm sorry. I know you're on a roll Did you say chatty Patti? yes Interesting We say Chatter Paddy's we say Chatty Kathy. We say Chatty Kathy who's chatty Patti and Who is Chatty Cathy? I gotta ask Tina. That's her, I learned that from her she was like Chatty Kathy and now i'm hearing chatty patty yeah it's I think it's the same they're probably cousins or sisters but they're related somehow all right I'm sorry didn't mean to hang you up there just to talk just to talk I mean like you know um that kind of thing but why if a serious presidential candidate having a serious conversation

1:58:38 with a rapper and an uninformed rapper by her own words. I don't know that much about Joe Biden, so what is your endorsement? How does that carry weight?" Yeah, it doesn't. And then it's all mainstream media! Well, it's what the Democrat Party elite believe is important you know they how important was it to have Jay-Z and Beyonce and endorsing Hillary I mean in fact it's probably one of the most racist things I've ever seen Let's just get some random dark-skinned colored person to endorse me because the other dark skinned people will like that. It's racist!

1:59:22 It's black-tivation is what it is. Black-tivation, I'm sorry that's a better word. Black-tivation yes! We're gonna get black people out here to stir up the other black people and you know how they love that Cardi B? You know they love their rap music so this conversation goes on in the back of the rooms right? Who can we get? I could probably get Cardi B. She's easy Right, okay. Let's go get cardi and okay, but burning you're gonna talk to cardi You know and now Bernie's out of it now card he has to be used leverage Yeah To bring the burning supporters in but let's let

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Karen Hunter's "Ratchet" Voter Strategy

Karen Hunter praises Cardi B for her ability to reach "the ratchet among us" and influence them to vote for Joe Biden. Hunter invokes Malcolm X's phrase "by any means necessary" to justify using Cardi B's influence despite her lack of political knowledge. The hosts find the use of the term "ratchet"—defined as ghetto or wretched—to be deeply insulting to the Black electorate.

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2:00:02 Let's let Bernie Sanders answer the question that was asked to him about his supporters. Donald Trump is, to my mind, the most dangerous president in the modern history of America. What I am also trying to do right now, Cardi, is to work with Joe to see that he becomes a more progressive candidate So, Gayle this is really important because a lot of people were worried that some of Senator Sanders supporters would not back Joe Biden. Well somebody like Cardi B says she is. Listen Vlad I think Cardi B and Bernie Sanders are show waiting to happen the two of them clearly have a rapport Was that was that Gail? It sounded like Gail Yeah it's a show waiting to happen! The show is already on what are you talking about

2:00:53 This is all for entertainment. It's so pathetic, Cardi B very entertaining super entertaining to watch comes across as being pretty stupid and I don't know who she represents other than 15 year old white girls Well it's interesting that you ask that question who she represents Miss Karen Hunter will answer that question for you I never thought i would be saying these words I think I really appreciate Cardi B Never thought that would be coming out of my mouth I think I really do for a lot of reasons and let me just say as somebody that you know As Lurie talks about ancestors. I have such a profound respect for my elders I have such a profound respect for people who have been here before me who know more things than I do, but i'm now Wildly aware that we are in a generation

2:01:48 Where you don't you become an influencer or you can influence people without having too much knowledge wisdom Understanding and yet, you're in that seat. And I cannot discount that You have the ability to reach people by By any means necessary is one of my heroes famous phrases by any means necessary and I think we're in that by any means necessary bubble. So Cardi B, let me say thank you for being engaged for being as ratchet as you are to reach the ratchet among us who they hear your voice when you open your mouth. You I believe people going to vote because Cardi B said so

2:02:33 Yeah, that's right. Cardi B said so. That's it. Boy man! The ratchet! Gotta get the ratchets out in the streets. I mean she actually used that word ratchet and ratchet is a synonym for ghetto All right, so she basically said yeah Cardi B speaks to the ghetto people and you know even though she's not that bright Let me just the ratchet. I'm sorry Yeah, please do please do she said even though Cardi B is not that bright She can go get the other Not bright people aka ratchet ghetto low-class black people

2:03:14 to go out there and vote democratically. And you know what? Like Malcolm X says, by any means necessary." That's right! She had a nerve... That's quite a nerve there to compare that to Cardi B and Malcolm X. You know another tale she couldn't even say his name in the clip that's why she said my hero yeah like she couldn't bring herself to bring that name up in this these shenanigans Seriously, Cardi B. You're leveraging your integrity Miss Hunter. Yeah on Cardi B. Cardi B is gonna be well we gotta leverage the idiot even though we know she's an idiot these are not my words I looked up a ratchet uh-huh R A T C H E T in the Urban Dictionary i would like to attempt this I will do a white man reading of the explanation

2:04:10 Ratchet a ghetto dialect mispronunciation of the English term wretched example old girl with her hoochie ass clothes too tight and her track shown in her scraggly ass weave with their fake-ass Gucci bag thinks she cute she ratchet excellent thanks for that I'm glad you turned me on to this word now i can use this everywhere And that's and this is who Karen Hunter wants to leverage crazy Cardi B to get out and go vote. So it's not about being informed No, it's not about being enlightened It's not about you know educating or know we can use our 63 million Instagram followers To get that percentage up around back to sixty three percent You know just the numbers numerology there is crazy That

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The Farce of Political Compromise

Karen Hunter claims to see a new "maturity" in Bernie Sanders now that he is out of the race and supporting Joe Biden. She describes politics as a "gentleman's game of compromise." The hosts reject this narrative, stating that politics has always been about "deals" and "commodities," specifically the value of the vote, rather than polite compromise.

karen hunter· bernie sanders· political compromise· deals· media class

2:05:05 But yeah, so that's what they want by any means necessary. Oh my God! Pretty brazen right? Pretty brazen to use that. Alright but let's let Miss Hunter continue on with her new hero Cardi B. Bernie Sanders had a town hall and let me say I'm really loving Bernie Sanders more than he is out of the race because I am seeing Stop stop stop stop stop stop stop I don't normally do this Before she keeps saying his own member number seven. Yes Bernie Sanders, what was that? What was the term she used he the town with black people

2:05:49 Should we listen to number seven again? I wouldn't mind a revisit. Yeah, so I want to open up the phones because there were a lot of people yesterday that wanted talk about Bernie Sanders and Bernie people And I need to understand y'all 866-801-8255 Cuz you're moving away that feels cultish And I'm gonna say that out loud So call at me whatever It's...I have no agenda! I don't like Bernie Sanders not because of anything personal opportunity to watch him for four, five years now. And what I see is a man that's stuck in a particular ideology-I'm not saying he didn't march with King but that was 50 years ago. I'm saying racially he's from a state that has no culture that reminds me of my own and the things that he says are insulting when he talks about black people...to me! That's my opinion

2:06:45 Insulting to black people. Insulting, yes! From a state that has no culture like my own. No black people up there apparently And she watched him for four or five years never interviewed him Never brought on the platform and you know saying let him know iron out the differences they have but Yeah, so let's go right back into number 34 now with their love. Hello, Fester Bernie Bernie Sanders had a town hall and let me say I'm really loving Bernie Sanders more than he's out of the race because I'm seeing the level of Maturity that I would expect from somebody in his position and I'm seeing it play out Now is that good enough for folk who supported Bernie Sanders? Is that good enough for you?

2:07:31 that your candidate is getting behind Joe Biden in a very powerful way, that he's using his platform to push Joe Biden. And that's how politics works by the way it's a game of compromise is a game of engagement as a game of reaching across aisles and bridging gaps. That's what politics used to be a gentlewoman, a gentleman's game of compromise. 866-801-8255. Lurie Daniel Favors is here as Cardi B leverages her 63 million followers on Instagram 11 million on Twitter and I'm sure there's a convergent so i'll give her the top 63 million people follow Cardi B

2:08:12 She has influence. She may not know a whole lot of everything, may not have a depth of knowledge but she has influence and she is voting for Joe Biden Is that good enough? It's also very misogynistic in a way You know it's also like you know...she's dumb But she's cute! She's a cute woman, she got 63 million people who like her dumbness so ehhhhhh Good to go! It's SO insulting And I wonder if Cardi B knows its insulting She might not. She has to! I mean, she has... To say you're not that bright but we're gonna use you anyway You'd be surprised It's the epitome of the relationship between black people and a Democratic Party rolled up into one conversation Wow yeah i gotcha And not just a recent one it's for 50 years

2:09:10 Let's keep them uninformed and activated or black divided when we need them. Yeah, especially the ones who got lots of followers There you have it So cynical yeah, and what she doesn't have I'll have no agenda is what the lady said That's the best part but you gotta stop listening to this woman Mo She's gonna drive you crazy actually she's not because I love too if you No other place are you gonna hear her two statements played in such short proximity of each other to point out how full a BS she is. And like I said... And representative of the media class, really

2:09:59 Right well the boulay cuz she's saying the same thing that Roland Martin says it's about compromise no incremental steps. Oh, you know I also like that Well used to be a gentleman's game and gentlewoman's game And it was compromised but you need to read a little bit of history No It's never been about that ever that's that's the farce That's the facade is about deals Deals in the background. That's how it comes together and once we realize that as a people is all about deals We have a commodity called the vote you want our vote What's the other end of the deal plain and simple until they get their figured out? Be prepared to lose alright, okay So now as you know I always like leave the show on a positive note so Bernie Sanders

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Bernie Sanders Impersonation and Show Outro

The show concludes with a comedic impersonation of Bernie Sanders obsessing over sanitizing groceries and waiting for Joe Biden to fail. The hosts summarize their conclusion that Sanders acted as a "heat-seeking missile" programmed to alienate the Black vote and serve the establishment. The episode ends with a "Value for Value" sign-off and the song "Go Down Moses."

bernie sanders· jimmy dore· controlled opposition· value for value· go down moses

2:10:57 He's a little bit miserable right now after dropping out of the race. Hello? Oh, oh fucking hell I hate myself What have i done? I can't believe I just did that what is wrong with me? I can't help you Bernie You didn't have to drop out you didn't have to endorse Joe Biden No, I just put a grocery bag down on my kitchen table. Now we gotta re-sanitize the goddamn thing all over again! What was the table infected and now i got to sanitize the grocery bag? I can't remember what did I touch last then where? Jake?! That's pretty good that's a good impersonator is that Jimmy Dore do you want Jimmy Dore guys yeah I don't know who he's impersonating but it was pretty funny. He gets it for sure

2:11:48 Bernie Sanders does have a plan B to win this nomination, and I think we should hear it. You just revealed my plan B young man rather than fight it out all the way to the convention like any sensible politician might. Yeah. I'm counting on Joe Gaines caught wandering aimlessly in his pajamas at a Delaware shopping mall. That's what a lonely nation will burn its lonely eyes to me for leadership That's funny. Well, you have convinced me because I'd never really paid attention to these details and i think you're right when when you take it in the context of reparations specifically is very easy to prove that Bernie was always just a heat-seeking missile that was programmed run and control from home base

2:12:43 I hate to say it, and a lot of people were duped. A lot of young black voters as well. Yeah! And twice... It's disgusting really. Twice they have used Bernie and I always thought they were abusing him but man you're right he is in on it He's allowed this to happen. Jeez That's kind of mind blowing. I had not considered that way. I thought the guy was real And now I can't see. All his moves were, it makes all the sense but when you come down to the... To the brass tacks yeah he did exactly the opposite of what every Democratic politician wants is to get the black vote! He alienated it

2:13:31 On purpose! No. It's like, no. No? Reparations? Nah I don't think so. Wow Moe okay this is another one for the books my friend that was a good one i like it showing me how Bernie Sanders is controlled opposition through the beautiful journey of the black vote and just a great way to do it only took you 36 clips. I'm sorry Ladies and gentlemen, this is a value for value show. If you found any value in what you learned here what you heard we'd love to hear from you please translate that value into some numbers go to mofax.com or directly to our donation page MoFundMe.com M-O-E F-U-N D-M-E dot com and We'd be very happy to thank you for that on the next show as our producers of course come from

2:14:25 the people who listen to it, our tribe right here. Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Mo thank you so much for taking on the journey one more time my friend and as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself And we will reveal ourselves again next Saturday Rona Willing till then take care bye mo all right see ya later Adam When Israel was in Egypt's land Let my people go Oppressed so hard they could not stand Let my people go Go down, O Zeus Way down in Egypt's land Tell all the Pharaohs

2:15:24 To let my people go Thus spake the Lord, Go Moses said Let my people go If not I'll smite your firstborn dead Let my people go Go down Moses Way down

2:16:10 Egypt's land, terror will fail to let my people go.