13: Deconstructing Kanye

00:10 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for October 28th, 2019. This is episode number 13! Oh yeah just had to wait for the drums to drop... Hey Mo how you doing? I'm doing good, Adam. How about yourself? Nothing like starting the show off with a little Kanye! A little Yeezy for y'all! Oh yeah, Yeezy! Hold on listen to this man, listen to this! That's so loud! Love that song fantastic Yeah So I kind of know what we're gonna do today which is nice Yes, by the songs it said dead giveaway We are going talk about Kanye West What were gonna do is give Kanye West his justice

00:58 By looking at the dynamic personality that he is, I liken him to being the black Donald Trump. Interesting. Okay. Yeah? The reason why I say that is one he's going to be somebody we talk about decades from now. He just wanted those people and two they have this independence about themselves that really rubs the establishment the wrong way Yes, and since you've made the comparison up front Kanye is like several people who I really really really like a lot

01:40 And that's... the reason I like him is because of what they're saying overall. But as i'm now a little bit older, I understand that not only is nobody perfect but these great people will say fantastic things and then sometimes the most idiotic stupid or perhaps incomprehensible things But that's exactly what I like about him is it's the imperfections that make is so beautiful And yeah, I would put him. I would put Trump in the same category Absolutely there's more people not as famous but we're just they just say it and they speak their heart to their mind and sometimes It's you know like me. I have that too. I do I say all kinds of stupid shit

02:26 Amidst the brilliance, of course. Of course! I feel like i'm the same way with it. I don't have that filter or that filter is very porous. That where the truth comes out and in the clip bite world we live in It's refreshing to have these kind of individuals. And then two, as you said that the way they say certain things they could be clipped to sound like idiots. Yes very easily so what I want to do with this show is to give some

03:05 deep diving the deep diving of view look into Kanye and what he's meant to Quote-unquote black people and how the media has warped him his His what he is until what they want him to be and a perfect example Well, he just came out with a recent album. Yep called Jesus King Yes And this is a whole new it's kind like He's come back around to where he started. I've always said that Kanye West cannot be cancelled because he made Jesus walks, but he is bulletproof. I've said that from day one and he has a certain tie with his fans. He has a certain equity that he can defeat cancel culture

03:59 So we're gonna get right into these clips and I have an ISO just to show from, on social media looking at how people clip things. And I have a ISO showing how if you just take a small sound bite of Kanye West he can sound like a complete idiot. And i'm the one who... You eat fish sticks because I had skinny jeans on! Now, fair warning in preparation for the show I did watch the interview. that you're deconstructing here. I also listened to the album so, um...I come prepared to the show but yes this is exactly when i heard him say that I had the same thought like oh there you go there's your clip put that out their nut job yeah you eat fish sticks because I wear skinny jeans exactly

04:54 So just a warning for people to have young people that listen to the show. This will have some adult content in it, just because of who we're dealing with but not too much I try to clip out as much as possible which would make this show very labor intensive Wait a minute, you cut out all the bad words? No I didn't cut out all the bad words. I tried to keep context to the clip without including the bad words. Ah okay alright So...I didn't edit it anyway to where i edited what he said. I just tried to clip either before or after Okay Just to keep the..because I wanted to make it a family friendly show

05:37 Because we it is a edutainment Yes, edutainment info semen here we go. Yes So before we dive right in I want to have one more I so and this is what popular when the fish stick when I made myself But this was the one that was floating around on the on the socials rappers be told my I got your bit answer Greg got your bitch This guy got your way Like I'm sorry. No my Christian scorecard just went down for using the profane a profane piece of language You ain't got your Instagram get all y'all could they gonna do it for the gram before they do it you they gonna send a picture to The ground but I sent it to you Yeah, I actually understood this when he said it Yes, I speak a little Kanye little yeezy

06:27 Yes, so this is the one that made us rounds on social as a mean. So before we get into Where Kanye is right now as you always know I like to go backwards to give proper context To where we are. Yes, so For a lot of our listeners week they may have not followed the path of Kanye West I can say I have been a Kanye West. I don't use the word fan but follower if you want us at the age I was I was a fan and what I mean by that is

07:03 I want to say 2001 maybe. So just to date myself, that made me about 21 years old. This is when Kanye West was not heard of and he was only making beats on other people's albums. Right? I took a likening to his music so much so that it influenced me. If people don't know, I make music also and if you go to mofax.com, you can hear some my music but he had that kind of impact on me So I've been through this whole journey with him from day one. And what I mean, and I truly mean day one before he even out before I even knew what he looked like only knew his music but what made him crack come crashing into maybe mainstream media was his back on his

07:55 comment George Bush doesn't care about black people. George Bush doesn't care about black people I thought Kanye West was blisteringly brilliant even as he stumbled toward his self-expression, He was nervous after all! He's going off script! George Bush doesn't care about black people Kanye West' comment was wonderful You can see if you really look at it. He's like I'm gonna say something and I'm sure he was trying to think of something eloquent and wonderful and politically astute George Bush doesn't care about black people when I went up to NBC, I hadn't planned to make a statement I didn't know what I was gonna do. I read but they wanted me to reading that felt like oh

08:43 You know, at practice I read the teleprompter and I felt like it wasn't heartfelt enough. So I knew I was gonna speak from my heart. Don't put me in front of the camera if you don't... Want me to say how I feel and he said George Bush doesn't care about black people now The amazing thing was to turn to Mike Myers who was sitting there like a deer caught in the headlights. Mr Mike Myers, dr Evil Couldn't even utter a word in articulate rendered mum And numb after I said it just everyone in the room was polarized and like It's kind of like I had to show myself to the elevator

09:20 And Mike Myers just looked at me and said, it is what it is. And there was a bar right across the street from here where we went to go have drinks right afterwards because this one of those ones you know when you do something like oh shit This might be the last drink we ever have. My reaction was A, he's talking for a lot of us. A lot of us felt that Bush didn't like black people and I was happy because in this...I've been very critical a lot of the hip-hop artists who have said nothing relevant in many ways they've said a lot of destructive things. I thought it was a breath of fresh air that at least somebody said something constructive and stood up for their people Well when I was up there wasn't concerned about record sales or wasn't concerned about

10:03 sponsorships about losing any sponsorships which I mean we did but I was more concerned about you know if I was in these people shoot now. I remember this moment very well because this was the moment that Kanye came into my life, I know that sounds pretty weird but I mean it that way and I think it was the Hurricane Katrina benefit show Yeah, and I remember I can't remember cuz Bon Jovi was part of getting it together And I remember thinking listen douchebags Why don't you just take all your money and go do something there? And then I remember Kanye said that and I went holy shit. This is great It just blew me away. I loved it from the I just oh now there's a brave guy. I thought it was fantastic at the time

10:56 And this made him come crashing into mainstream celebrity. This is the one that did it and he ingratiated himself with black people to the point, He had already given us Jesus walks. I'm sorry interrupt but i just want to say that because this is all about our perspectives from my perspective of course I'm not black so I wasn't like yeah go black but I was thinking Screw you elites. That's that is what it said to me, is screw you with your stupid telethon bullcrap You know this whole thing is just a farce That's that's what how it came across to me and I really liked that And let's put some perspective on this because at this time George Bush Is what Donald Trump is now hated so it was the liberals ate it up

11:54 And who would have thought, fast forward how many every years it is now. George Bush would be hanging out with Ellen, getting hugged by Michelle Obama. And Kanye West would be facing cancellation from black people who would have ever thought in a parallel universe that could even be a reality? It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood! That just goes to show you how fast things can change and um people can fall out of favor with their quote unquote fans. So,

12:31 Now, as we continue on the historical path of one Mr. Kanye West, we have to look at his parallel or his interactions with one other president not being Donald Trump—that being Barack Obama. Hey, Bobby X! I'm Justin Hunt and this is The Breakdown. This is dope to think about for the past eight years hip-hop has been welcome in the White House President Barack Obama embraced the culture throughout his two terms, fist bumping, dustin' his shoulders off on the campaign trail. Shakin' hands with Kendrick Lamar in the Oval Office. Jay and Beyonce might as well have been a part of his administration! I mean every week it seems like there's a new turn up at The White House featuring all our favorite MCs

13:16 But what's most interesting to me is watching the relationship between President Obama and Kanye West play out publicly. They are in a strange way tied together, both from being from Chicago. I mean we know Obama's not from Chicago but he was sold to us that way for being from Southside Chicago and they made their rise to popularity on the same timeline so they were tied together in this real way. So let's listen more about their relationship

14:06 Kanye and Obama's explosion into the national consciousness happened right around the same time. Obama's first major look was in 2004 during the Democratic National Convention, Kanye's first major solo look was in 2004 he released a college dropout that year, Obama won The White House in 2008 two weeks later Kanye West released 808s and Heartbreak This was funny. Obama described the first time he met Kanye West during an interview with Jimmy Kimmel and whether or not he still calls Kanye's house phone, believe it or not this was a topic of conversation in 2016 roll the clip James I've met Kanye twice uh the first time when i was a senator And he was with his mom and He had just gotten big he's from Chicago right so They wanted to meet

14:54 He was very soft-spoken, very gracious. That sounds like him! I mean he's a young guy and hadn't quite come into his own. And then about six months ago he came to an event... Look, I love his music, he is incredibly creative. I don't think i've got his home number though? You don't have his home number? Obama's a cool cat, man. Swag on $100,000 trillion." Of course Kanye replied a day later. Here is what he told TMZ. I love Obama! He called our house before...he knows that. Don't try to pit us against each other. Obama does call my house sometimes. This is funny like I don't remember ever seeing this. A president going back and forth with a rapper.

15:43 I'm so glad you brought this back up, Moe. Because to add to your list that you mentioned earlier... How about Kanye being friends with President Obama and friends with President Trump? Even Elvis didn't spawn two presidents! He's a very unique character For me to dedicate an episode to one person It wasn't out of fandom. Is that we have to really look at this? He's not a rapper, he's not a celebrity I don't know what box to put him in but he is a personality, he is an icon and like I said any kind of fan worship you have to give the person credit it was like with Trump before he became president You just can say he was real estate guy or celebrity These guys are national treasures

16:41 But as you know, friends turn to enemies. And for people that didn't follow this Obama never fully embraced Kanye the way people thought that he would And that was very strange. And I think that was a calculation from Obama because he knew this guy could say anything. He saw the hates white people bit and thought maybe it would be a little cautious. Exactly, exactly! And he knew he could not...he didn't want to tie himself to Kanye. And I think Kanye was an understanding of that because he didn't wanna be at extraction but there was an event

17:33 that happened, that pretty much put a fissure between Obama and Kanye. Kanye also says something interesting there. He said, don't try to pit us against each other and there are a few incidents where it seemed like the media was doing just that pitting Obama Against Kanye West the first took place in 2009 and it came from this statement that Obama made off-the-record This was a day after Kanye West made Taylor Swift famous during the VMA's The young lady seems like perfectly nice person she's getting her award Why would he do that? He is a jackass

18:10 Again, that was 2009. Before that clip leaked though ABC Nightline co-anchor Terry Moran tweeted President Obama just called Kanye West a jackass for his outbursts at VMA's when Taylor Swift won Now THAT'S presidential The tweet was later deleted. ABC was forced to release this statement, which said in the process of reporting on remarks by President Obama that were made during a CNBC interview, ABC News employees prematurely tweeted a portion of those remarks that turned out to be from an off-the-record portion of the interview. This was done before our editorial process had been completed."

18:48 That was wrong. We apologize to the White House and CNBC, and are taking steps to ensure that it will not happen again." 2009 was so long ago! Even ABC didn't have the safeguards in place to make sure their journalists weren't leaking off-the record information. No one was prepared for this social media takeover. Nevertheless, a few months later Kanye West responded to Obama. He shared his reaction when he heard that Obama called him a jackass in the conversation with XXL. Here's what he said. Obama has way more important stuff to worry about than my public perception. He was trying to pass the health care bill and if he said that to relate to The Room or lighten The Room up and the whole move then I'd be more than happy to be the butt of all his jokes if it in some way helps his overall mission. I'm a soldier of culture. I'm resilient. I'm sure I'll still beat him in basketball

19:37 Wow, so a couple things first of all ABC what a bunch of weenie pussy boys over there. Yeah, we're sorry We leaked oh Sorry, sorry. We didn't mean to do it It was Oh off the record we can't report on that When I didn't want to get pulled from the gaggle of course they want keep their access You know it absolutely So um So we see where the divide starts and once again, Kanye was the bigger person to say you know I mean if he made me a butt of the joke that you're standing for greater good. That's what i'll do but If you look at the video of it

20:25 I would have took offense to it because let's be honest here. We're going to look at things through a certain lens you got President Obama the black guy in a room full of white people calling another black guy a jackass and they all bust out laughing like ha I'm sure, no Moe you couldn't have been more white when you did that. Congratulations! He sounded just like us That's how the laughs were and it was like good one Obama You know it was like yeah, I see it. I Remember this I'd forgotten that the whole room was filled with white people Yeah, that's pretty pretty lame right so I'm just saying

21:13 How it appears and it's not saying that's how was but optics matter So I think this was the beginning of the end of any Kanye and Obama bromance, right? Or any possibility of it. So then it became out like a for the hip-hop fans out there It became all our subliminal war of disses between me all Obama and Kanye Which is culture. Yes, it's exactly in this culture and so they started trading barbs back and forth through the media as we see in his next clip Now that was one of the first times we ever saw those two comment on each other publicly Here's another during the 2012 campaign season During an interview with Atlantic Monthly Obama was asked whether he prefers Kanye West or Jay-Z

22:09 The president said Jay-Z. Although I like Kanye, he's a Chicago guy, smart, he is very talented. This is when the reporter David Samuel says even though you called him a jackass to which Obama replies He IS a jackass but he's talented There's the media throwing in the alley there's Obama bringing it home This one's a little different. This next one is a little different in July 2013 during a conversation with Amazon for their Kindle interview series, Obama used Kim Kardashian and Kanye West as example of the change in culture that negatively impacted childrens views on the American dream Here's what he said

22:45 There was not that window into the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Kids weren't monitoring every day what Kim Kardashian was wearing or where Kanye West was going on vacation, and thinking that somehow that was a mark of success But that's how upset people were when Kanye West compared Michelle Obama to Kim Kardashian He was asked about it during a conversation with Philly's Hot 107.9 Here is how he explained his reasoning for doing so Oh yeah, well I think that he should mention my baby mama's name. You know because we both from Chicago Don't be mentioning my baby mama's name cause' we both from Chicago This is a rapper and president He said it jokingly and i think he meant it Here's why here's what he told Angie Martinez after that

23:31 The reason why Obama mentioned our name is because we most relevant. Case in point! So if I say that, that's because it's the case of point He just said that just trying to be cool Obama was supposed to be coolest person on planet Now he gotta say our names To be cool It's like a feature We featured in his interviews right now They need a feature from us Nobody's- To get relevance You haven't gotten that call in the middle of the night yet? What call? You know that call that like Stop talking about the president call I always think that comes when people talk about the president. You know what? Sometimes, I think about it at night but you know... It don't matter because it's still all a distraction and that's all they need and want. This is all a distraction. Food for thought right there! Wow Kanye knows what's up So imagine if you take out Obama And put in Trump going back and forth with the rapper on this faboo

24:27 what the news would be. On fire, so I'm just saying like I said, I'm a fair judge. So this, I believe was a precursor or more incentive for Kanye to jump on the Trump train. It's a new world, Barack.

25:20 This is the way of thinking to make America great again. If I would have voted, I would have voted on Trump Before i get out of here, I want to talk about race and the idea racism in America So this was Kanye. at a Sacramento, California concert and this is when he let the whole world know that he was a Trump supporter. And it set the world on fire! And of course... Well stop how did you feel when you heard that?

26:42 Okay, I kind of had an inkling because there was rumors of him wearing a make America great again hat mm-hmm on planes But this was like undeniable and this was after um Hillary had lost so that I want to say that So this was at this was post election. Okay didn't come out doing the left during the election Got it because he didn't I don't think he was ready for that kind of to be blamed because he would have been blamed if you came out and the same thing Trump would have won. He would have been blamed for that, what we say it went from 66% to 57% turnout? That would've been pinned on him so he had enough awareness

27:30 not to say anything publicly until after the race was over. With that said, in the same concert rant he said Google lied to you Facebook lied to you and I mean it was like a 17 minute rant He showed up to the concert an hour and half late The three songs, a 17 minute rant and then mic drops. It rolls out so yeah So the reaction to that was Kanye West has to be crazy He's nuts! The guy is off his rocker he has to be crazy and so much so... ...He was hospitalized the day of it but the very day after so After that he went into hiding

28:26 For a very long time. They were saying that he had mental issues and to me personally I think that was damage control by the record labels by the shoe companies and buys all his other advertisers is that they Probably thought he was gonna be canceled and his career was over right? Oh so fast forward He pops up again But this time at the White House. Kanye West came to the White House to discuss prison reform and ways to combat violent crime, but things quickly went off script and what happened next in The Oval Office does have everyone talking

29:05 Overnight, rap star Kanye West extending his DC tour taking his show on the road to a local Apple store. Just hours earlier, a stunning scene in the oval office capped by that remarkable embrace with the commander-in-chief I love this guy right here. But it's West 10 minute freewheeling profanity laced monologue that's making waves while sitting next to football Hall of Famer Jim Brown, West praised President Trump. Trump is on his hero journey right now and he might not have expected to have a crazy like Kanye West and that red make America great again hat there was something about when i put this hat on

29:48 and made me feel like Superman. At times, pounding the historic Resolute desk to make his point. Manufacturing Freestyling on more than 40 topics It's a hydrogen powered airplane If he don't look good we don't look good So when I said, I like Trump to like someone that's liberal they'll say oh but he's racist you think racism can control me? The entire spectacle seeming to even leave the president speechless. That was quite something At one point West revealed He was diagnosed with bipolar disorder But said he got a second opinion

30:25 said that I actually wasn't bipolar. I had sleep deprivation, which could cause dementia West raising eyebrows for some of his comments about race. You know people expect that if you're black you have to be Democrat. I have a uh i've had conversations that basically said that welfare is the reason why a lot of black people end up being Democrats overnight reaction pouring in This is white supremacy by ventriloquism. A black mouth is moving, but white racist ideals are flowing from Kanye West's mouth Still, for President Trump who has his eye on the midterms and who struggled to win over African American supporters. The visit by such a high profile person of color could prove to be powerful optics in these photos obtained by TMZ West even convincing the president Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner to wear Make America Great hats

31:20 saying the word again is offensive to some blacks. A surreal scene and an oval office first. He's been a great guy, he's smart cookie Yes, I remember this wasn't too long ago and I deconstructed on the no agenda show then I because This is exactly what I was saying. You know you hear the brilliance in between the nutjob stuff I guess have a some kind of filter and like okay And even some of the stuff that sounds really nutty if you listen and you focus Then it makes sense The problem is and I noticed from that episode

31:56 lot of people give up that they don't even have a problem listening to the words and It's I think it's because of how he speaks in his presentation That people are taken aback, and they can't process What do you say because he had some really smart things to say about the 13th amendment which is not foreign for Kanye West But even as I tried to explain what he was saying people just their eyes glossed over. It's very odd And who else does that sound like? Trump. No, I understand when I saw that. And by the way, I love Jim Brown sitting there and he's just like mm-hmm oh yeah. He didn't...Jim Brown loved all of it! Jim Brown wasn't sitting there...I mean Jim Brown isn't that animated anymore but you know he was sitting there like mmm hmm no yeah oh yeah and he..I got these like this guy thinks is all good and I did too! It's like this is a great moment who would have? This is crazy what's going on this is The White House look at who's talking to me with the issues they're talking about

33:01 modern-day slavery through the 13th Amendment. I loved it, but I tell you Moe...I didn't get a lot of traction with it. It's because you said the key word! You had to listen! Oh yes. A lot of people want to be fed in 30 second sound bites or two minute news stories and if it goes past that They lose, they eyes gloss over and you lose them. Not only that but if you hear how that piece was put together That news piece I mean they literally in between some snippets were saying he's crazy off the wall what the hell So your conditioned whatever it is and in particular black people don't listen to this shit Don't listen to him! He's crazy!! They said he raised racial

33:53 made racial comments by saying that all black people vote Democrat. That's a fact! A majority, I mean the overw- How is that like a controversial or hot topic? Don't let anyone know Moe, we can't let the cat out of the bag And that's exactly what it was. Um, and they even had one of our show favorites Michael Eric Dyson in there saying he was a white supremacist ventriloquist I think he said? Yeah the black mouth is moving but it's the white man's hand up his butt making the sounds oh yeah beautiful right and I hate to do this

34:31 But I just want to go back to clip two in the very beginning, because that was Michael Eric Dyson. Just listen to the difference and what he said there compared to what you say in a previous clip. George Bush doesn't care about black people. I thought Kanye West was blisteringly brilliant even as he stumbled toward his self-expression. He was nervous after all. He's going off script. George Bush does... Michael Eric Dyson loser, you two-faced man. Right you appreciate his honesty when it benefits what you're trying to push but now we're getting into the root of this whole conversation were having as long as your saying what people want to hear your brilliant your this or that

35:26 But as soon as you get, you have an honest moment and you want to say what you want to say the name calling comes out. So what happened after he went to the White House... Oh, can I stop you? Can I stop you? Yes. When you saw that and I don't know if you saw a news report first or if you saw-I mean I saw a news report similar to what we played and I immediately went to find the full length like I got to see the whole thing in context of this. I mean I'm just trained because that's what I do What was your reaction when you first heard of this not before you dove into it because I know you did What was your first reaction

36:02 Okay, so I know how Kanye West is and how he can be painted but I was like wow that's a look That's even that's a fish sticks Well, you wear skinny pants cuz I eat fish sticks because I wear skinny pants kind of thing. Oh, yeah are gonna clip this and paint him to be as they say in the clip. He pounded the desk." Did you hear anything that you thought was a good message or did it not even presented the first time you heard it? There was nothing in that because I mean when I hear news, cuz I don't watch news is in the morning time when you're getting dressed and my wife has

36:42 Good morning America or something like that on. That's where I kind of hear the news for the day and Whatever it comes, you know whatever pops up like something like this I would go get the full clip to hear the context but what I heard that morning? I was like what just happened? Um, I was surprised but he said a lot of good things in there He said a lot of things that I agreed with before he even said it. I was saying these things during the whole 2016 election, and I was one of those people that were like... And let me be clear here if someone doesn't give you the option not to vote then you don't have an option

37:24 Because either somebody's gonna try to pull you to one side or the other, you should have a third option. I think every America should have that option if they don't feel like the person meets what they want to be up with their up to but I dislike Hillary Clinton so much. I was actually campaigning against her. Yeah gotcha actively because I understand who she is, I understand what role she played in a lot of the problems that plague the black community. Our community... Well Moe you know she knows who you are! You're one of those super predators yeah I mean i'm like um i'm one of those people to hold her to task because she says her addressing black problems

38:10 having hot sauce in her pocketbook. I mean, so fix that even then it's like you're still doing it but as always they had to send out the bulee to clean up what Kyle Urias had made in the Oval Office And they had to send their top gun, Charlemagne.

38:54 help the president with black people? No, the black people are not a monolith. Okay and Kanye West does not represent all black people and because I'm black and i don't support Donald Trump in any way shape or form Is he being used by the President? Um...I think that if you can't be used your useless So I think that they're both using each other in a way. I just hope that, I think he's being misused just a little bit because when you use him as a prop and you say that because of him you have all this support from the African American community, that's not necessarily true. Kanye West represents Kanye West. He doesn't represent the whole African American community. You've interviewed him a number times. You interviewed back in May. This is part of what he said about why he supports Trump When he was running it's like I felt something

39:38 It's like the fact that he won it's like it proves something. It proved that anything is possible in America, that Donald Trump could be president of America I'm not talking about you know what he's done since he's been in office but the fact that he was able to do it Like remember when I said I was gonna run for president? And I have people who that were close to me friends of mine like making jokes making memes Talking s*** now its like oh! That was proven did that could've happened You buy that explanation? Yeah, because that has nothing to do with policy. That has to do with ego If I'm Kanye West and if I'm a celebrity And I announce that I wanted to run for president and everybody laughs at me But then the executive producer of Celebrity Apprentice who is actually a celebrity comes in runs somebody who had zero qualifications Has never held any political office and actually wins. I feel like damn I might have missed my moment! I didn't know America was ready just throw the presidency in the toilet

40:33 Alright, Charlemagne's nickname now is BJ and that stands for Boulez Janitor. He comes in with the broom and he does a fine cleanup job And what it does is get back in the box Don't think just vote only be activated when it's time to be activated and as you if you heard I rang the bell there because He says, um... you're only used if you're useful. I believe how he put it? Something like that yeah Yeah so i mean the truth always wants to come out. I mean your being used. He said right there. He said it right there yep! He does this all the time. If you go back to the first show we brought him up on about the Illuminati. Right. And he was like yeah I want to join the illuminati if that's what it is and then he'd go onto list exactly what it was

41:33 So the truth always wants to come out. Yeah, and he also made another statement that black people are not a monolith except when it comes to voting! I mean... But also for him to paint Kanye and Trump that way whereas Obama had no experience He was one term senator And he kind of slid into the seat because the guy got rousted out I mean Obama didn't really have huge political expertise. Yeah, I mean they act like that Pat Sajak had got elected a president or something... Well in a way he did! It's kind of tricky. No I'm just saying the dude did run a billion dollar enterprise

42:26 Mean you got to give him his credit where credits do but that's what they do all he's just a TV host, you know TV reality show um so out of all this and it's something I didn't cover in an eclipse is when Kanye went the TMZ and you know had a Had kind of semi meltdowns Yeah The slavery is a choice thing And it's one of those things where you clip it and you don't take the time and listen what he's saying. Yes It's very It's like very useful if you want to tear him down. I mean, he gives you that kind of those kinds of sound bites so but out of this all out of all this that happens

43:11 Kanye was labeled the C word. Today's video is appropriately titled Coon that's right, COO in exclamation point my good friend Willie D of the ghetto boys recently put out a single called coon where he called out various black folk who habitually sell their people out and the way he defined the coon is this Willie D said that if your criticism of the black community outweighs your contribution of the black community, then you are a coon. Yeah and as we've learned on this show I've certainly learned calling a black person call another black person Coon is really the lowest of all low yes and coon is a racial racist term

44:03 So much so it was used in Forrest Gump as one if people remember the line he was like my arm He said the coons are trying to get into school. The one guy says to Forrest Gump My mama just takes a broom and runs off the back porch I mean, so this is that known racist term but it's It's in this modern-day society black people music among themselves and I've noticed this weird phenomenon. And i think I've addressed this on the show once but I'll address it again how black people that disagree with you will allow other white people to use that term to tear the person down, that they don't like. Yeah so much so... This is crazy! That's crazy

44:50 Yeah, so much so that when you went down the Twitter timeline as this was going on real time. You saw a term used Kanye West. Yes. That's k-o-n-y-e west. Yep I remember and it was used by non black people and non black people would like it and I'm like what where are we at? As a group of people as a society as a whole where We let people off the hook to use terms that we find offensive, and that we would find offensive because they're in alliance with us on political matters. Yeah. Right on. We're in a bizarro world but I have a pushback to the usage of Coon and this comes from a popular YouTuber named Chronicles Of Judah

45:49 And he pushes back against the term using the term Coon. Who are the real coons? and The reason why I've been compelled to create a series by that name is because of the amount of misdirection misinformation Disinformation that's constantly being propagated across the internet and social media by the wokely wokes the pro blackety blacks The Internet revolutionaries as I call them who love to create as much confusion and chaos as possible by deciding that they're going to try to guilt trip certain demographics or sub-demographics within the so called black community, by making them conform to liberal ideologies through name calling in an attempt to racially shame them for not being quote unquote super liberal.

46:33 What does that mean? What you'll find is that most super liberal Negroes are heavily into politics and activism. Two modes of expression that really have not reaped many benefits for so-called black people over the course of the past 50 or 60 years, or so That's one of the first ways that they would try to create a dynamic in which they can call you a quote-unquote coon If you're not someone who does not vote Democrat or if you're now someone who is in favor of? Socialist slash Marxist movements like black lives matter. So, is this the replacement for the Uncle Tom with the house Negro Yes yes This is the replacement and it cuts deeper It really cuts to me because uncle Tom had became

47:18 Benign it didn't really have an effect on people because they over choose the term so they had to come up with this new Term the coon I know. Oh, I love words and I'm very Intrigued what exactly is it about the term Coon that is so offensive? I mean obviously I'm not an idiot but I'm curious cuz you know, it's just a word right at the end of the day It's just a word but It was new in a sense because I mean it's like someone they dug up out of the They dug it up out of the archives it right either archives and repurposed it And it took on a whole nother. It's like a it's like a super Uncle Tom Let me let me show you example yeah People like Clarence Thomas will be called an uncle Tom Because it's like

48:17 People expect him to be that I don't think he is. I mean, I don't think it isn't I'm not I don't use these terms towards my own people what i'm saying? Is It's not surprising that He takes the political stances that he takes okay So so he's like already sold out because he's in the system therefore it's what he is. Yes true or not and Kanye is like in this case really a traitor I guess the way, would be a traitor to your people does that make sense? That's...I think that's the difference between the two terms that it coombs lean towards more of you traded you turned

49:02 You somehow misled people to what you believe. Oh, I can tell you the quote it's... the culture that's that's that's That's like code word or if they don't want to use The derogatory term, they'll use that Language. Okay. You've turned your back on the culture and you're gonna hear this I know this is glad you made I'm glad you made that Well guide you made that point well when I saw the interview that we'll get to Like well there's two things two things I noticed that i was going to ask you about. So the first one is this code of the culture, so I don't hear the interviewer say black people anything...I see him called the culture or doesn't even say black culture it's just the culture or race or whatever you'd like to call it and the other one which

49:57 which you don't have to get into, is whenever a tough question comes up or he's... Whenever the interviewer is asking something it's always and this is overall an observation. You do it sometimes as well. Apologize! Hey I'm you know I don't want to diss anybody I don't want to you know no disrespect to anybody with what I'm saying here but here's what I want to say It's very obvious in this dialogue that Kanye has with the interviewer, and the interviewer is basically asking him a tough question but always softens it by saying hey man you know you're great and you're fantastic successful. And I don't want to disrespect you about your thoughts about Jesus or anything... But then the question comes does that make any sense?

50:44 It makes all the sense in the world. And it's a term I was questioning to use in this show, but it has to be used just like the last show we talked about white guilt for having freedom of thought you could be made to have black guilt Thank you for being so open and honest about that because that was my hunch But I didn't want to push you so great. That's what it got it. I have to be clear and I have to be honest whenever you break from an out reason why say this is our real power as a people comes from being a monolith which comes from being

51:30 Not the monolith and having the same kind of thought, but having a certain amount of code that we stick to. It's our basis I mean it is similar to being American. We saw with the China thing. We may disagree with each other by freedom of speech is baked into being an American right? And if you don't agree with the freedom of speech that's kinda like un-American there's kinda those things inside the black community themselves That they're hard-coded. So it's like you, you wouldn't do anything to harm each other or you would think that way but our behavior showed totally not that but I mean as a whole another show for another thing another day But when you talking to someone the mind control is so strong When you become free You can't jar somebody else with your freedom right?

52:24 And we heard it in the last show on the last clips from the gentleman that was giving a speech, that you have to be somewhat apologetic because you are free thinker and other people are not. Just not because you're afraid but its like for their sake, not your own. Yeah I know, I understand It's kind of like you know it's kind of like when I'll give you a and. I don't know if it's true You nailed it by saying black guilt, I understand white guilt you understand white guilt? I totally get it it makes so much sense except you're the first person I've ever spoken to in the universe who said it that's That's what we saw about before everything is no there is no feel because

53:14 It had to be said because what are we doing here if we can't be honest? If we're gonna sit here and blow smoke up each other's butts, you know what I'm saying. Like, what are we really doing here so yeah We need to have this honest conversation And i'm sure when you have certain thoughts When your in a liberal environment You-I'm not saying you do but I'll make them assume that you have to couch it a certain way. Of course, of course! It's the same exact thing? Yes and that's what i love about it That's why...that's fantastic Well now compound that with the fact that you could be ostracized from your group as a whole

53:53 Now that's the difference. And in other societies you have a variety of thought groups, think groups where if you're conservative or liberal, you're saying there is group to fall in here the fact that we vote majority at one way and we have a liberal ideology as the previous clip laid out it becomes a lonely existence Say certain things now you could feel them, but you can't say I'm that's Ness where we're at with Kanye and Let's get into clip number 13. He speaks on this mental health You know having a nervous breakdown going to the hospital and and having the stigma of being called crazy Actually it didn't it didn't make my It made me more relatable and made it

54:51 a wider idea. Everyone is dealing with health in some way, like me being taken to my lowest you know what I'm saying? Being called a coon by my own people the guy that said George Bush don't care about black people is a coon because I didn't say I'm gonna vote on Hillary Clinton right and that actually made me more relatable. You can't imagine when I go through middle America, like let me tell you it's like...I was driving fast looking at a property that's like 4,000 acres we were gonna buy out here and i'm trying to drive faster the freeway and I hit her red light in the guy say now how are you going where do you gotta go so fast that you got a drive this and cut me up what Kanye oh thank you for what you're doing for our country thank you so much

55:48 Like you have no idea. You be out here in LA and New York, and they'll have you all jacked up on Mountain Dew! They'd be having you thinking that like this reality is not real people. Well he's speaking my language there of course Yeah, and that's what I'm talking about. He felt isolated because he made a conscious decision based in facts everything I've laid out and all these episodes have supported with facts of how the people that feel like we owe them our... And it's so weird phenomenon itself that someone feels like you owe them your political support or vote

56:37 have been detrimental to those same exact people. And when you say that, it's like... I use this term almost too much but it is mind control and when you break free from it You feel guilty one because you can't get other people to wake up. And I'm not like I said, I don't try to convince anybody to vote anyway. I just want them to realize you have three options maybe four because you can be the person that runs if you feel like even the two choices that you have is not for you then you could choose a third option and not participating or fourth be the person that instead gets yourself in the race right?

57:26 But when you say that, it's like but the boogeyman he's gonna get us. And that's why I was saying is a weird place now because you see a Michelle Obama hugging the boogeyman right and is in his cool now you see Ellen sitting beside the boogeyman at a Cowboys racist and quote unquote, I'm being facetious when I say this. You see Ellen sitting beside the boogeyman at a racist NFL game? Not just that he's a war criminal! War criminal, but I'm just saying if you let him tell it the NFL and all his owners were racist right shit Right. You have a Ellen sit Masada war criminal The precursor to Trump the Antichrist was even called Yeah What? But these people throw these things out here and then they act like they forgot They said them do you things have real life?

58:23 Impacts and implications as we've seen with that poor lady or in the black guilt to all the white guilt box, right? With all the kit Because she was my control yeah And she didn't even interact with black people so I mean it is That's why I'm having this show because it's not more about celebrity on whatever. It We got to see in real time a black person have a paradigm shift in their political views and in their own empowerment. And we've seen the reaction of the mainstream media and people that so-called loved them before turn on them, it's just weird but let's get into Kanye Kun 2.1 I told him I said look my

59:20 My father's a Black Panther, my mother got arrested for the sit-ins at age six. They were fighting for us to have the right to our opinion not the right to vote for whoever the white liberals said black people are supposed to vote for you get what I'm saying? Then James Corden went in and said Well this president, you're Christian and this president I don't see anything Christian about him. Okay so last year y'all tried to tell me who am I supposed to vote for because I'm black? Now this year white liberals trying to tell me who I'm supposed to vote for because I'm Christian That would be like I live in Calabasas so every one of my cars gotta have a convertible huh

1:00:02 It's just all based on y'all vision of what I'm supposed to do and understand like a lot of people. Is that a matter? Whether you like it or who liked it We are in a country where we allowed to like whatever we like core message of America right there except for us Well, yeah, um, we thought we do but it comes at a price it really comes in a price But you know what? I'll say this With that number falling, the voter turnout number falling with when you go on places like YouTube and certain pockets of social media or when you talk to people in one-on-one situations it's falling apart at the seams. Well yeah with no agenda show when Trump first announced

1:00:58 The mere fact that I said, oh he can do it. He can go all the way this guy could win my co-host disagreed but that very fact got me on lists you know so the minute you and just have to keep it in the current context the minute you say Oh, I'm thinking a little different and you go against the grain which is what I typically do This time It was pretty severe And we've lost a double digit percentage of our audience because we just wouldn't That's not what we do, wouldn't blatantly come out and say oh Trumps crazy racist nut job. No! We deconstruct him just like Kanye. It was like okay here is what I think he is saying and here is what he doing but it was severe. And it was your fault? Of course! I'm an idiot. How could you see why Kanye didn't come out until after the election because even if he came out before, Oh my God!

1:01:53 He had no control over the outcome of the election because he never really said anything. And he got killed or attempted to be canceled this way, so just imagine if he came out Do our pre the election that's so interesting That is you Nate Thank you for that because now if I had not done that because once I predicted Trump would win a year out You know, the more the more popular he got the more hours like see see, you know And so just I guess it sounded like a cheerleader even though. I was just happy about a stupid prediction It came became your fault Yeah

1:02:29 It became your fault. You know what? And people can believe this or not, I told people Donald Trump will win before I even knew he was running because I told my me and my dad was talking and we talked We used to talk politics but we can't anymore. But because they used to end up in a argument every time we got the phone but I told him I said that I said one thing is going to have happened. I say it's gonna have to be a celebrity wins after Obama Right on. I told him this and i was like the only person that looks like you know it has a big enough celebrity is this guy Trump, and he laughed so hard! And i was like no seriously dad

1:03:15 And then when it happened, oh it became my fault It's kind of like your team is winning and you like Call somebody we're winning and they lose. It's your fault cuz yeah But yeah I mean this this is This is the world we live in, and I wanted to do this show for this exact reason. It's very hard to be honest in this country because it goes back to...it's a bastard form of what we talked about on our last show. Remember when I said in the car that says don't ask for anything? Because you remember what you were saying when your friend came over. Oh yeah! Don't embarrass us, don't ask anything

1:04:10 Right. Yeah, some bad things I had in that conversation too is like we have to you know saying you had to vote Democrat the Republicans are bad right there new sent that that that are some other things that come along with it's kind of like the talk We need to call it the talk and the talk is not only about police It's a whole the talk about what the culture expects from me So let's just want them to say that but we can get to 3.3 now Another thing is like this idea of like apologizing. We'll apologize for saying George Bush don't care Apologize for running on stage with tennis with apologize for wearing the wrong color ain't apologizing then y'all dealing with grandpa now I've been through too much I'm gonna founder a three billion dollar company you think I fit to listen to somebody online tell me who I supposed to apologize for

1:05:06 Do you do you feel like? Since you did get there. Do you feel any of the pressures when people say Kanye did let him down when we think about George Bush don't care about black people That's when everybody was like all Kanye and then when we look at Kanye now I mean if we if we agree or not agree with you just When we when you say the wrong color hat Yeah, think about this for a hat. This is one of my main things it's like what is the culture? It's like man this ain't for the culture we doing something for the culture We are orphans bro! We are culturalists. We don't have our own culture

1:05:44 We signed two culture vultures. We signed our life away, our contracts to culture vultures. Think about everything that's cultural. Taking a knee is cultural. Being on social media is cultural. Wearing high fashion is cultural. Pushing a foreign is cultural. All these things are not owned by our culture so who designed the culture? What does it mean to do it for the culture? That's why I do it for Christ Yeah, that is probably one of my favorite bits from the interview. Yeah you do it for the culture They saying we don't have a culture we drive foreign cars It's and we didn't create the culture and we in and I do disagree with Kaya at a point We did have a culture up until Don't know man house right? We were bought I say like this world were a budding culture because you know you have

1:06:46 slavery, end of slavery. And from that point up until late maybe 1940s 1950s where we're finding our way there was still outside influences as we've illustrated in this show at higher levels of education the talent groups like the Boule coming in and trying to manipulate us how they think but we were finding our way because culture I believe is birthed out a family And in those families you have the leadership of the man for most part, and then those men agree on what their common goals will be. I think this is how culture

1:07:32 and nations are formed because it's like I know this is what i think you know we're sitting out you sit around and you have a cop. And when I say men, I mean...I'm just saying it uh I'm not gonna you know um almost did it again but- Stop apologizing Moe! Yeah because because I know how And we're going to get to why that happens. I have it in the show, why this happens but yeah you have a culture because the men agree upon this is what we want for our children and in that agreeance The man and woman had to have some agreement so the man is only the representation of the agreement between the man and woman It's not a male dominated thing

1:08:17 But yeah, and then that's how the call but then the culture was totally ruined. Because when you have you look at no man in the house You go from there you go to arm The first opioid epidemic in America and a Vietnam War helped destroy it You're saying black people are the communities Then you have the crack epidemic then you have mass incarceration these things now we're in and and the peripheral proliferation of single-parent households The culture is totally destroyed to the point where it does, it appears that it doesn't exist. And now as we've heard now we see now that they are even trying to eradicate us through certain measures very depressing when you think about it without verbalizing completely yeah you shut me up for a second and I'm just gonna say plan B planned parenthood all that stuff I think was a direct target as well

1:09:14 Yes, so I think we stopped it Three was at three point one. Yeah, we're ready for four Let's go to the 4.1 Kobe Bryant won five championships he sprained all kind of muscles all through his body tore ligaments and For people to go to Kanye West where I'm playing in the highest level of mental sport I had Mark Zuckerberg wanting to meet with me You know what I'm saying? People come to want to meet with me that are makers of the world at this point. So, I'm playing in this mental sport as a black man post-Pac, post Biggie, Puff Daddy Jay Z in debt completely controlled The management knows how much exactly you make it on your tour and its just $2 less than what your house costs And I'm ending up in debt every year

1:10:07 and then I have a breakdown. I should have a hospital in the back of our room for what I'm dealing with! Don't NBA players got like knees iced every time? I need to just like leave everyday, just go right to UCLA for the level of game and sport that I'm working at but we don't make Kobe's legacy be about one torn ligament and my legacy ain't about oh he got mental health that just come with the level of sport I'm playing at What you talking about people trying to sun me left and right You know, for the level of protectionist talk that mental illness gets in our country Kanye should be lifted up on a throne for what he said here. This was a great analogy! A great analogy it's like hey man I use my brain all day and sometimes it gets twisted and you know I get an injury and alright I gotta go take care of that...I loved that When you step out of line there is no protection

1:11:06 That's the sad thing about it. I mean, he should be protected because...I think in my heart of hearts, I think he wants the best for black people I think, I would say this. He wants the best for Kanye West first but I mean... Hey that's him! I think he is an ego driven person but at that level you have to be ego-driven uh..to be that successful But i don't think he means harm to our people but he gets no protection. Zero. He brings up mental health which mental health like you said it a buzzword A protected class my friend! Protected Class! Yeah protected class

1:11:42 But the messenger, I mean how many times do we call Trump crazy? How many times they say he has Alzheimer's as a joke. Well there are entire psychologists who have written papers and they've analyzed him from afar going against the so-called Goldwater rule you know all of this stuff no no he's nuts But they say as a joke, it's like as a slight and they do the same thing with Connie We're going back to this parallel again is that if we don't like you Then the rules or other parameters that we have set aside Don't benefit you and if any look and if that comes down on high from the elite what? Is that I

1:12:29 You see what I'm saying? Now we're starting to see where the rubber meets the road at. Who's really the ventriloquist for white supremacy, let me just be honest here they accuse him of that but when you can berate a person because like i said their mental health or their political views and ostracize them what are we doing here as the mass media uh but Let's get into 4.2 Does it not rub you the wrong way, but does it get to your core when people do feel like... It definitely don't rub me the right way. There's definitely going to be a Johnny Gill up in this room! What do you say to people that says you turned your back on the culture or black people? Exactly 100% I have turned my back on the idea of victimization mentality

1:13:30 We are locked up. We went from one and four, we went from one of four to one in three but we always pointing at the white people but yet we want to spend all our money on foreigns. We wanna spend all our money on luxury as opposed to going and buying some land America is for sale and there's a lot of barren land Disney bought a lot of it in Florida but the culture has you focus so much on fucking somebody bitch and pulling up in a foreign and Rapping about things that could get you locked up. And then saying you about prison reform like it's bro We brainwashed out here, bro Come on man this is a free man talking

1:14:20 Democrats had us voting Democrats with food stamps for years, bro. What are you talking about? Guns in the 80's taking the fathers at the home Plan B lowering our votes making us abort our children gosh and that kill I can't tell y'all how to feel but what i can tell you honestly is how I feel Yeah there ya go unpack it That's a black, that's a free man talking. That's exactly what it was and I like this is we're brainwashed up here It's like yes And we are and let me make this clear Let me be clear who for people to don't know who's interviewing him This is big boy Interviewing him and he is our popular DJ in California

1:15:17 He is currently at 92.3, which is a huge radio station urban radio station Urban or quote-unquote means black for those who don't know That's the white radio guys term yes Right right but far on by our heart media Yes so these Radio stations pump poison poison into the our communities and From the earliest hours of the morning and the reason why I make this distinction is, I grew up on hip hop. But when I was 13-14 years old that's when you know how really like blew up and you say it like to the point it made it on a radio You couldn't hear hip hop until afternoon

1:16:10 There were certain times that they played hip hop and then even then, they only had certain radio friendly songs. And even more so those were edited out any language that was considered to be offensive was edited out right now when I drive the work, I can see it small children in their car seats parents knocking loud, you know what I'm saying? Deleterious music early in the morning. And you wonder where the mind control comes from. You know, I saw and was an active participant in ushering in hip-hop at MTV which started with Yo!MTV Raps

1:16:53 Which was really innocuous because, you know I mean I grew up with hip hop the hippie to the hip-hip hobby You don't stop a rockin till you bang bang boogies up jump the boogie and that's that was hip hop in my day Then we got Dre and Ed Lover, and they came in. And it was still pretty tame. I'm with like Cool Moe D. You know? Can I step- can I say something? It wasn't pretty tame. It was actually positive! Yes! No no i mean actually...and this was the hook with hip hop because when hip hop first came in you had groups like Public Enemy and Keros One and they actually were teaching

1:17:34 Something that you could take away from it and actually benefit your life You have fight the power and think you're saying yeah, it was yes. It was fueling a whole re-insurgent of the culture of the car And this is where culture comes in it of the culture and it was co-opted now are you good? You can sit continue by just wanted to highlight that point well Yes, and the coat I mean there's I think MTV had a lot to do with it and i think you know there's always this business is even a story out on the internet somewhere. I've saved it, but can't remember where of course

1:18:11 And it talked about, I was a part of the music executives. They all got together one shady night and they all decided we gotta put some...I'm sure you've heard this story. I haven't heard the story! We gotta start mind controlling the black youth or screw it, all youth with these rap lyrics and here's what we're gonna do. Subsequently things...I don't know if I can pinpoint where change from I'll tell you exactly where, I can. Well so... I can tell you exactly! Alright hold on i'll finish my sentence So as you said it went from Very positive which could be angry, you know fuck the police it could be angry But it had a different message then You know then as Kanye saying what's hip-hop here today and also around that time I left MTV and went on my merry way and tuned out. No, I went to classical music I couldn't listen to the hits anymore So I kind of missed that transition so I'd love to hear what that what that turning point was That you that you heard

1:19:11 Okay, so the role of a hip-hop artist early on was a journalist Yeah recording what happens is black your community like CNN is what I called it right It was if it's positive. It was negative. It was just I'm reporting what the news is Then you have what they call quote unquote conscious artists like I said like public enemy and And those groups that were talking about how we, what was going on and how we could change things. Where it changed at and nobody notices this was NWA. So that was it? Yeah. That was it! And you know what? The weird thing is people can call me a conspiracy theorist on this no need for the theorem yet but we're gonna get there. But George Bush Sr.,

1:20:04 used to live in Compton. Compton and now is a hotbed and always has been a hot bed for little old country California as hip hop epicenter, how does that happen? Freeway Ricky Ross comes out of the area. The Compton was where they suppose it I want to say George Webb but it might not be right on. I know his last name is Webb documented The guy the guy who committed suicide two shots to the head gun in the left hand. Yes He documented that CIA Members came in and taught them how to cook up crack and little old Compton Gary Webb Yeah, Gary Webb excuse me So I find this weird That the first billionaire and this most celebrated hip-hop group in hip hop history comes out a little old Compton One being dr. Dre

1:21:03 Another Hollywood big-time mogul Ice Cube NWA how does that happen? Right. So you're you're looking at quid pro quo I'm looking that's exactly what i'm looking and then the other thing is if you can go google it yourself or anybody else wants to play At home play along at home while was at the same time nwa was supposed to be investigated by The FBI Easy E Eric Wright was being invited to the White House Yeah. By President Reagan or George Bush, one of the two. So... But yeah! Well I mean it makes nothing but sense man if you look at it that cynically which I can do easily

1:21:50 starting with the crack cocaine epidemic which was truly, truly one of the worst things our government has done in order to keep a gambit going on with Iran-Contra and to keep funding Sandinistas. It's like well we got all this cocaine what do we do with it boss? I know let's turn it into rock and sell it to those black people! That's how shitty it was they had to unload Because they couldn't sell it fast enough because they needed the money for their covert operations and that's how they decided to turn it into rock. I mean, it was disgusting. And I don't want to go too far off the path but so much so now know I said a lot but imma stop saying but to the point where

1:22:40 Hip-hop videos actually were instructional and hip hop movies were instructionals on how to start a crack enterprise from the point of cooking This is real this is real stuff here. Um There's there's a sequence in the movie minutes to society that shows you how to cook up crack cocaine, right? There's a movie there the sequence in this movie hip-hop movie belly that shows you how to set up a crack Crack enterprise and an artist out of town Location right so if you want to be a crack dealer And and the number one hip hop artists of all time supposedly by the mainstream media and gets invited to The White House mr. Jay Z was what?

1:23:29 One of the most well-known by his words, well known and will highlight a crack dealers there is yes But then when Hillary Clinton invites him and I'm about to get on the tangent here. I'm trying now I'm trying to suppress it you go with it. Go don't don't lose time No because I'm about to get agitated here The very person that she was calling calling a super predator Jay Z at the time She says that she brings her him on stage in Right. To campaign for her in 2016? How nasty is that?! Yeah, from both Hillary and Jay-Z Both! And then Kanye's the bad guy because he said think for yourself Well you know what I think we need to call Jay Z out as a coon my friend this is not good what he's been doing

1:24:22 Well, if you go by the definition of it. If you what they say if you cause more Criticism of your people than you have been right I didn't make the definition and not what I'm saying We need to have that standard towards a lot of people and we'll start in saying getting rid of so I say this all time A lot of them gotta go For a future show, Moe we definitely have to do the deconstruction of hip-hop. I mean i'd love to do that with you because there's like a million things going through my head... We've got to move forward with Kanye but oh yeah i'm sorry about this! People can't BS me because I lived it. I'm sorry. We see how Kanye comes under attack for being a free thinker and being a freeman but not only from the black community other communities as well

1:25:14 And when I sat there, seven years in six years in to the Obama administration when I was sitting at the Met balls, when I was sitting in front of white people and they thought... I wouldn't have thought you were like Trump because of racism. So you mean tell me that I make every decision based off my color? The most racist thing a person could tell me is that I'm supposed to choose something based on my race! If that was the case, I would never wear pink polo! I wouldn't have never worn skinny jeans everywhere I go! People's pants are smaller than mine! And I'm the one who, you eat fish sticks because I have skinny jeans on. I'm the guy who said stop gay bashing right? I took that L consequence took that L he had to go to Queens the next day He took it You know what im saying like hip-hop was dropping f bombs and I said stop you could play the footage I say stop it as soon as I Said clothes on Sunday just like Chick-fil-a

1:26:17 There was LGBTQ articles saying they need to boycott my company. I said George Bush don't care about black people as soon as i wore a red hat, imma coon! You can't do enough for nobody out here so how bout it? I stop! Nice... nice Yeah, that's it. Even the LGBT community came after him just because he said close and one of his lyrics in news in a new album He said clothes on Sunday like shit for late even mentioning the words chick-fil-a Yeah, I'll make you transphobic or something right makes them yeah make some homophobic which they didn't play the footage but we will Kanye takes our homophobia Hey by high school be like yo you acting like a fag You actin' Like are you gay?

1:27:10 And I used to deal with that when I was in high school. And what happened is it made me kind of like homophobic because it's like, I would go back and question myself, damn why does everybody else walk like this? And I walked like this so why didn't you start just looking because you don't realize until your at high school people are like yo fam look at how you act if you see something and you don't want to be there because its such a negative connotation towards you try to separate yourself from it so much that it made me homophobic. By the time I was through high school, like anybody that was gay, I was like yo get away from me and really like Tupac said started hanging with thugs and you look up and all my friends were like really thugged out And its kind of like I was racing trying to find a constant masculine role model right there To the point where

1:28:12 It's like I would really discriminate. Like, I used the word fag, fag, fag, fag like always condescending towards gays and look down upon gays and...I remember my cousin told me that another one of my cousins was gay And at that point is kind of when the turning point where I was like yo Yo this is my cousin. I love him like I've been discriminating against gays It's like, do I discriminate against my cousin? And then everything starts to click. He brings his partner with him to Thanksgiving and all that. You just had to sit back and think. Damn, hip hop really is about... it seems like it's about fighting for your rights in the beginning, about speaking your mind, and breaking down barriers or whatever. But everybody in hip hop discriminates against gay people

1:29:16 I haven't listened to enough to corroborate that, but i'm sure it's true. It was a sense of, I can... Yeah. Just the word- Even if they didn't mean it in the technical word or the word gay, it was a slur like man you acting gay. Sure. Or I will validate that claim and you know what? Hip hop tried to counsel Kanye for saying this back in 2005! Wow I mean, you can't win. And like I said, I'm not being apologetic because I have some criticism for him as well but yeah so you brought up the point of me and other people couching statements or filtering self-filtering yes there is a reason for that and Mr W E B Du Bois we brought him up in the show

1:30:16 And I have been critical of him on this show, but he also did some great writing before. I believe that he was co-opted by the NAACP maybe unknowingly? Maybe knowingly who knows but he made some great points in his book The Souls Of Black Folks of the thing called The Double Consciousness and we can cover that at 19 Welcome to the Macat Multimedia Series, a Macat analysis of W.E.B Du Bois' The Souls of Black Folk How Does Racism Affect Identity? W. E. B. Du Bois wrote The Souls of Black Folk in 1903. The book exposed the material causes of racism at that time and explained the effects that racism has on black identity

1:31:13 Du Bois wanted to show his readers the strange meaning of being black. He believed, at the dawn of the 20th century that the laws and society that had prevented blacks from achieving equality in a post-slavery era would continue to pose a problem for black identity. He argued that as a result of this blacks and whites in the United States were separated by a color line Du Bois' book pioneered a related concept. He believed that the color line did more than deny blacks fair access to jobs, education and opportunity – it actually weighed so heavily on their souls that it prevented them from achieving their potential as human beings. He used the term

1:31:56 The Veil, to describe the way in which racism made it hard for whites to see blacks as true Americans and for blacks to see themselves in anything other than the way they were portrayed by whites. Finally, Du Bois wrote of the double consciousness produced by wearing a veil—the split identity that blacks feel as they attempt to be both American and African in a white society where one identity is less equal than another. The Veil? Yeah, so that's internally baked into us and it's a process of breaking free from that. We've seen Kanye successfully do that in certain ways but still even he does it is It's a weird phenomenon because I will say this. I don't think black existed before America and why I say before people get their panties as much what

1:33:01 Back in Africa, you was known by your tribe. That's just like back in Europe you were known by your country or when you got here then we get the binary thing of black and white so what is black? Is it how I feel or is it how society sees me? It's this constant calculation going on in the brain of balancing the two and you only get free when you stop thinking in the terms of both. And that's what Kaya said, this is a free man talking I understood exactly what he was saying.

1:33:45 Which had a different meaning for me, but I completely understand it. Because to me free man talking obviously... Free man is a throwback to slavery Yeah But also I'm free in my- well I feel like that! Free in my mind, free to say what I want, free to feel how I want Um..but there's Very few of us are free, very few of us are free It's incomprehensible for me um to understand, to feel what it feels like to have that veil. Well you're starting to feel it and like I said I'm not caping for you! You're starting to feel it because now you have to think of am I a white male or how is this going to land? Is that a fair assessment because of how that term is being stigmatized

1:34:39 is being stigmatized and stereotyped now? Oh yeah, white male being the evil of all things in the universe and the patriarchy. Right! So now you're starting to see I can't say that because i'll be perceived as a white male That's a hypothesis or calculation I made but I will assume so... I'll tell ya- I'll tell you that's not it should I tell you something with this show Uh huh In the beginning when we first started And I got comments on it Worried is not the right word. I was anticipating a lot of criticism, you know...

1:35:23 very similar to what we're talking about here with Kanye is, oh okay now you're sucking up to the black guy? Someone tweeted something early on I forgot what it was but it was like Oh now you get to eat grits with him. Yeah some shit like that. Right! Now you won't Well yeah but it was... It was that and I'm like well or heres something else when you and I are talking I certainly have a filter in place Don't talk black, Adam. Because it's easy! You know? It's easy to get into yo bro what's up and I don't talk like that normally but that's just... its normal conversation you know you flow at- you and I- Is that a normal phenomenon because when Tina Turner went to English she came back with the English accent so I mean like- I'm Tina Turner Annie Mae Bullock I mean Tina Turner Let's be honest here So I don't know if thats

1:36:20 Yeah, that has of course Madonna had the same thing. She lived in England also in Madonna yeah she had the same thing so that's assimilation and I'm very chameleon-esque like that I assimilate in very quickly but in my mind when you and I are talking I do make a subconscious effort to just be me and not get sucked in because I know I will be criticized for that mm-hmm now imagining being like that 24 7 fuck that noise W.E.B Du Bois Part 2 We can understand double consciousness better if we compare it to a work-life balance scenario Meet Sasha She has two identities, she is both a full time single mother and a full time company executive Both roles are part of Sasha's reality but they often overlap and create anguish in her daily life

1:37:14 When her son is sick from school, she leaves work to take care of him. When work is busy she misses events like her son's school concert The contradiction of double aims leaves her feeling unfulfilled and her potential unrealized Realizing this, her boss offers her flexible working hours So she is able to fulfill her role in the company and her role as a mother without the two conflicting This solution, a merging of a conflicted double self into a better and truer self that is free of contradiction was something that Du Bois hoped for. He talked of lifting the veil – a metaphor for white society recognizing the equality of African American people

1:37:59 Du Bois became a central figure in shaping the movements that ended American segregation and colonialism in Africa and Asia. He is regarded as a great figure of history. A more detailed analysis of his ideas can be found in the Macat Analysis. So there you have it. But when you lift the veil, it comes at a price. Always. When you become free, it comes at a price but people like myself and others are willing to pay that price now just like there is no boogeyman... There's no boogey man, there's no canceling either we're slowly starting to realize that you can't cancel me

1:38:48 And I think Kanye has pioneered that to the point of you can't be canceled and you can't be silenced. We see that in the next clip. Y'all gotta think man, black people are like the housekeepers of America Think about how your housekeeper... You know what i'm saying? They got a certain volume they're supposed to talk at house we gotta certain volume we suppose to talking America So what do you think if a housekeeper is screaming In my house What do you think other housekeeper gonna tell them Be quiet Be quiet Ye! Be quiet, yay. Don't disrupt the house. Don't disrupt America, yay! We orphans out here but don't disrupt. There is... What if some people feel like you siding with the slave master too? If we're in a house and it's the Trump household, it's just like shit, you siding with

1:39:38 With the slave master if we're both in the house, and I see you rolling through wearing a red hat. I'm like man He just liked this dude over here And am I speaking it maybe or other spanking that may be but I'm saying how do how do we? Separate that if we're both in the house We like man who all right I'd rather deal with somebody who called me and word to my face than a person assigned Me for a lifetime deal on a 255 page of my contract gotcha I got you. I'd rather know what i'm dealing with that's why when I walk in, when any I don't keep nothing on my chest I'll be like this is why I'm dealing with but I'm here this one this is what I'm dealing with it has been institutionalized slave mastery and slavery our mentality is only one of the two now we need to find freedom yeah that was good It's 2 sides of the coin so he gave me two options and a lot of black people had to realize

1:40:39 We only have two options. Are you going to be a slave? Are you gonna be free?" That's the only two options you have, but a lot of times liberal ideology wants us to be coddled so that you can't say that to them. You know like go back to the kid give your uh give that black lady a higher tip and wear this safety pin right And it's not like I said, it's not even for the benefit of us. It's for the benefit of whatever they're dealing with right um what they use as the excuse For wanting to feel that way but also I'm sorry go ahead Go ahead well also big boy there he basically Rewound all progress and everything back to me in 1969 With my parents and the kids who showed up

1:41:38 So like, don't disrupt. Don't do anything dumb. Be quiet." I mean that's basically what he is saying it's like nothing has changed Yeah yeah be quiet yay But i think the fractures are so deep now that people are starting to wake up And you'll see, you hear more about this in the next clip. If you talk about politics then you are not in service to Christ but to mute an African-American's voice at this level is a form of slavery and being a slave to the system into people's perceptions and the reality of what people have chosen for our culture since we are orphans it's not in service to God

1:42:33 And in the Bible, there's many topics of slavery. And we are African Americans and we are still dealing with modern day slavery We still have record contracts publishing deals touring deals management deals radio deals that we not the owners until we really own our own community really make Wakanda For real? This is gonna take more than the Jesus chain. We gotta make Wakanda proud of us too though, you know what I'm saying? Man! I've been waiting... Yeah So he's saying we have to build your own to be in control of it and until we have that at the end of the day and I know you heard that term That's alright Who signs off on all this negativity coming through hip hop

1:43:38 The record label publishers, they're the ones that sign off on it put it out distribute. It make money So either we have to start two things you could do stop supplying them with that or become The owners of the record labels where you can say no I won't I won't condone this but I won't condone this There's a thing is is kind like you heard of a food desert right? Yeah, there's an entertainment desert To where if you only want to see if you want to see something that reflects, there's only one brand. There's only junk. There's only mental junk food So that's the only option You leave me with is like either I can watch shows it don't of people that don't look like me That have great stories that have great Great writing or I can watch

1:44:36 Bullcrap. Yeah right now one of the I Think someone who has been doing this all his professional career is having a tough time as a big lawsuit does Byron Allen? Byron Allen is an owner and he is a television mogul now granted its smaller channels that he's got but they're all black oriented and And he's having a hard time, I think There's a lawsuit between him in Comcast Yes, it is. Nah because Comcast won't carry his programming That to me is I mean that just shows you this guy Byron Allen's been he's been trying to or has been building his empire for decades and He still Coming up against these, you know these roadblocks and getting I find getting very little support. I mean obviously You're not going to hear much about it in the in the mainstream obvious reasons a guy's competition But I hear very little support

1:45:36 Yeah, because he's not seen by the quote-unquote culture as Included let's just be honest. Let's just be honest here He's not so you don't hit any other case and a lot like I said There is pockets of people that show our support for him But overall you're not getting that push that you think you would get for this kind of case exactly even from what in ask the question where is the Well, that's a bad question because they're fighting against their own competition. So I was gonna say where is the media but no they are going to suppress it. That's exactly right they are going to suppress it because you know he's competition and I bet he's good competition. I don't have it here on my cable I can't watch it Yeah But the negativity you get non-stop 24 7 And you get questioned if you don't want to make or support

1:46:35 But let's get into the final clip about Kanye can't be silenced. Are you afraid of losing your audience? Yeah, I told you I'm only afraid of God. I'm only friends my daddy god I've been 15 years. I'm telling you god is showing that You can have your own thoughts bro I've been canceled before there was cancelled culture who told you that that my career would be over. The same people that are telling you, that you can't have a right to say who you will vote for those people will soon take Jesus out of the school Those people will soon remove Jesus period from America which is the Bible Belt Man come on man I ain't finna go Alex Jones level with y'all man wake up Mr West wake up culture

1:47:27 Wait, could anybody think they so woke but they following the rules of what woke supposed to be? Hip-hop ain't never been about following rules. It's been about doing what you feel I'm gonna take this Louis and throw it like that. Imma do with the polo. Imma do it like this even like the way I talk Hold on let me use my african-american voice Let me use my Disney approved voice. Let me you know saying we're not even speaking in our own language bro Like... We talk louder than this Africans talk loud Italian moms talk loud We talk louder, but we speak in our corporate voice. Or we don't want to ruin the deal voice or this why... Bro I love y'all man and i love me and i love christ

1:48:10 And y'all should love to see this. I'm not gonna tell you what y'all should do, I'm just doing what I do If you love it then cool if y'all wanna rap me and ain't gonna make a difference Honestly, I done been killed so many times on Social media and i'm still here. Oh look at me I actually rewound that on the interview where he goes, what did he say? Wrap me. I didn't get it. It's just like you basically all want to kill me like y'all own And what's the term? It was nonverbal. It was like an onomatopoeia kind of thing. I got it, okay. So he brings up a great topic that is near and dear to your heart... social media

1:49:14 And I think that's a lot of where, brought up in the last show how they use the television during the civil rights movement. That this new movement, this new movement awoke ism was... The battleground is social media? Yes! and that's why he has been the number one victim. I'm not going to say victim because they haven't taken him down yet He's the number one target And he's aware of that. But let's listen to Kanye talk about social media. People are brainwashed by it people are addicted to it It is the modern-day cigarettes when cigarettes first came out and Edward Bernays created the Created the torches of freedom March to get women to feel empowered. Yep, by smoking cigarettes This is from Century itself and it shows that Edward Bernays was Freud's cousin so You know

1:50:17 I don't know if I should even talk anymore. It's like, you got me? I have so much more to ask you! I just flew out of Miami and there is so much more to ask you. There might be five years before I get to speak with you. You might be president by the time I speak with you next year. Do you know how long I'm going to be on the picking order when your president? Are we right down? No, we'll do an interview. We'll do an interview. I don't do a lot of interviews anyway. I know you don't it's good to see you again. I probably will do more interviews when i am president 2024 still thing that's still that's the best the timeframe We're working on you working on some things right now. So yeah the What I'm saying is People are addicted to social media well, that's No disagreement for me on that obviously I set that up bad because that is from another interview doing this press run for this release and what it was was He was allowed to give context in this interview uh, I noticed

1:51:16 I just want to say this right quick. I noticed the 22 interviews he was more relaxed in this interview because it was a white interviewer and i don't think he had to feel like he had, he was being pressed by the culture as he was in let's say the big boy video. Right? It wasn't an adversarial interview yes And he wasn't on guard so the next couple of clips is going to come from that interview because he was actually allowed to lay out what he thought the problems was with social media. So that was the only way I could get the proper context for the Instagram got your B. He allowed himself to speak freely? Well, I'll say this big boy was pressing him

1:52:11 It was more of a it was more of a cross-examine. Yeah, it Was your question that you? Elaborate on what you think right? You're saying it was more yeah, it was more like I had the perfect world would be cross examine And then I think he really got onto defensive Because and that veil kicked in right veil fell back down because it's like now I gotta be careful how say stuff all because Don't want to be further. I mean, he does even said it so he does care Yeah how he's seen but he doesn't care enough To change who he is and I just think that's part of Kanye's ego And I think all should be like that in a way that you know what? I care about your feelings but I care about my mental health more and I rubbed a lot of people wrong that way because

1:53:01 Well, I do give people a disclaimer. I said do you really want to know how I feel? I'd be like no never mind Hey, I'm gonna give you the honest truth because I'm not gonna live in I think this is I know we got a rap soon but um, I think people's mental health and It's really affected because we had to live in an alternate reality and a lot of people. Oh, without a doubt! Oh no this is social media has been incredibly destructive In particular because there are alternative realities that are formed and you're bullied into being one part of it. And you're rewarded by the way when you virtue signal or do whatever you need to do, then you get your likes and your retweets and your attaboys and all that stuff! The comparison with cigarettes is a very good one

1:53:57 Yeah, and I'm glad he used the Edward Bernays because we brought him up on the show before. Edward Bernays is a staple of what i've been doing on podcasts for 12 years you know the whole idea of propaganda PR and news if it's not pissing somebody off its propaganda so our life is built around half the new stories you read are meant to tee your mind up Or read, what am I saying? Half the news stories you're presented with are teeing your mind up for some damn movie that's coming out in two weeks.

1:54:33 This happens all the time. So yeah, and I love that Kanye you know he knows Bernays He knows the connection to Sigmund Freud He knows The Tortures of Freedom which is women smoking cigarettes walking down? I think Fifth Avenue or Park Avenue was a Macy's parade says yep might have been Westside so Yeah, I mean he's right in tune. He's very he knows his history But it's crazy Total nuts. So, Kanye on social too? Social media prompts women in particular to put out content that they wouldn't have put out if you were referring to a sex addiction

1:55:18 Yeah, it definitely could deal with my addiction but when I was younger and I wanted to see something like that. I had to pay someone that was older to go 7-Eleven and buy it now I got friends they have kids that are in just out of grammar school or high school That is completely available there's no NSFW right now on this computer and I'll load up some things And you'll be like, should that be NSFW or not? Is it just covering just a bit of it and You know there's people as a God-fearing married Christian innovator billionaire founder No one's gonna take my opinion away from me There's a free man talking

1:56:15 Yeah, and I like it. Because we've seen Kanye impact the view on so many different things that I hope it inspires people to want to become mentally free. That way we can get honesty. Now might not agree with your freedom but I'd rather deal with than this superficial artificial state of society that we're at now. So I... Go ahead Well, I was going to say that what I liked about the interview much earlier when Conway's talking... Conway? When Kanye is talking about The Gram got your bitch It's so...I had to think about it What I believe he saying is and I think even said it to some degree It's so crazy That the woman you love The person you are in relationship with

1:57:17 Thinks of sending something great to Instagram before she sends it to you. Kanye on social 3 Yo, boo can you not be on social media literally as we speak? See how hot it is? But just something else, like just either focus the energy here or be able to go somewhere else and do it in another room. I'm not trying to put you on blast but saying that... No but I go into this transcendent state where like oh, I'm actually reading Larry's mind

1:57:59 What's Larry thinking as you're speaking? I'm actually reading Josh is mine. I'm reading Mr.. Boys mine, but what happened exactly case in point something on the internet took a Distracted booze mind us who we're talking about Mm-hmm So as he's giving this speech on social media and i'm gonna get a wrap back around to your point But I wanted to show you that as he's given this speech On social media one of his employees or entourage is actually on social media. It's like it to your point, yes the Instagram does have your woman and a lot of cases in society because one as you stated they frame their whole and not only for women but

1:58:55 Instagram has us because we present ourselves better out to social media than we do to the people in the room with us. And that's why I wanted to play that clip, because to some people social media is more important their reality. No it is their reality Which is a scary thought. That's a very scary thought and where are we at now? Where are we in an alter reality, just to put on a nice cherry on top about what we present to Instagram if your husband sees you a certain way why do you feel like you need to put a filter on for everybody else

1:59:49 Who are you living for and I don't have an answer that but just think about that. It's like And what that does it makes? I think is having a real effect on system in people's mental Oh the way they perceive things because we expect people to look like filters Like yeah, why did that person have bumps water? Hey, I mean like what you know all do you know If you only see people online and then you see them in real life, it's very jarring. It is disappointing And that is very unhealthy Yes That's because what your doing is creating a reality that you can't live up to and then you wonder why people are disappointed if we just be honest

2:00:39 And it just not only say like physically but honest mentally Yeah, but honesty is frightening Moe people are very afraid of this. It's dangerous So sir I know we made it all the way through But can you please cue the theremin? Of course Here we go everybody now We're going off the rails were going nuts Alright We have entered the conspiracy theory portion of the show. And we can't have one of these episodes without being conspiracy theorists that we are, I heard Kanye doing all this Jesus talk now I am a man of faith myself and I'm not trying to question his validity of his faith but I was watching documentary The Family on Netflix

2:01:40 In my 20s, I stumbled my way in and what I found is a secretive Christian organization called The Family. They've been hiding in plain sight for over 80 years This was a group with tentacles around the world A humble example of leadership that the world has never seen A breathtaking enmeshment of church and state There were congressmen senators, world leaders And they say it's about faith, but there is a shared understanding that what we're really about here is power. I'd like to single out Doug Coe... Doug Coe and all of us. Let's hope for the time of day. Doug Coe was the long-time leader of The Family He's the most powerful man in Washington you've never heard of. He said the more invisible you can make your organization, the more influence it will have

2:02:28 Jesus plus nothing. It's a powerful thing Using the national prayer breakfast they dispatch representatives to build relations with foreign leaders That is exactly the kind of meeting that I would want to exploit For the family, Jesus says you must go to those who are in positions of power. God always uses imperfect vessels to do his perfect work. President Trump's an imperfect vessel. Jesus is the answer that Jesus and Capitol Hill don't mix because we want our family to stay together. Holy crap! I've not seen this trailer what what is this all about? Yes it's The Family aka The Fellowship

2:03:14 It's a Christian organization in Washington DC. Its leader was Doug Coe. Ah, yes! Yes of course I remember this is like the... This is the Boulet! It's the Christian Boulet! So they're the ones that hold the regular public event each year The National Prayer Breakfast Right that's it yeah Now I'm about to go there. I think, well, I have to say this Kanye was clearly doing the bidding of the Illuminati at one point in his career so much So I had to part ways with even listening to his music Oh really? What cause around what time what would music or what songs were At that time it started with Twisted dark fantasy

2:04:13 He was saying some say a lot of satanic stuff in there that I was like, ah really can't do it And then he came out with the what I could perceive to be the blasphemous album Jesus which I've never heard before it was a play on the word of Jesus and so um to the point where he Would was calling himself a god. Mm-hmm And he, during the show he would have a guy that looked like Jesus come on the stage and he would basically have it was very blasphemous. Now he goes from this I believe He may have been inducted by The Family! Ha! And why not? That would be a great power center for him to operate from Especially if you want to become president Oh brother i love when you do this to me

2:05:09 And by the way, I when Kanye said that he was gonna run for president. I was like oh yeah He could do had the same thing with Trump's like yeah that crazy He could do it right right circumstances. He could go because he did this same thing with saying tennis shoes. He was like sneakers It was like hey i'ma have make a shoe that rivals Jordan and he did it A lot of times we people say certain things when certain people say certain things you have to Listen, and listening as I do. As I watched this, I didn't go into this documentary thinking anything the connection between them and Kanye but as I listened to members of the group talk they have a substantial connection with black people inside the country

2:05:59 black people in Africa, Uganda, Nigeria. A lot of the dictators over there the family has connections with Uganda being one specifically but let's listen to one of the members other family talk and Family One. We see this every day in our culture We see great men who have done great things come crashing down over some affair that gets exposed. We're talking David, the greatest man of war. Bathsheba with a look brings him down to his knees where no conquering army could defeat him but he ran from his own family!

2:06:47 I think it existed for so long is because that we don't expose ourselves to media. They just see what appears to be a big old surface argument with men berating one another. And they think that's all that this is allowed. You know, little fools down there and those black dudes hollering at the white dudes, the white dudes trying to justify themselves as black dudes... They think that's what happening here! Of course if you come here initially and see one of those That IS what's happening but underneath that Is a powerful work God is doing that actually changes man's lives But I would ask you something while your sitting here

2:07:28 Is what are the lies that you have been telling yourself and which one of those lies have you come to believe? Have you watched this series yet? Yes Because when I just at the surface and hearing the promo in these bits and pieces, I'm like bouncing This seems like a bunch of dickheads to me too I'm not saying they're good. Okay, and no no let me- And their philosophy is Jesus and nothing. Right. Like i said they deal with dictators They don't care that they're in dealing with people is that they do the will of Jesus

2:08:16 Not the Bible, not that. And we're gonna get to their philosophy more but let's listen to the family too. And often men especially who are confronted with themselves they don't like what they see and they don't like it being put in their face and spoken to what it actually is. It's ugly, its debased... But my point is, is the shame keeps us locked in our circumstances And then if we don't deal with shame right, we start blaming. We blame our wives, we blame white folk, we blame black folk, we blame the economy, we blame doctrine... Everybody! There ain't nothing scarier in this country than a free Black man speaking. Wow it's all there. It's Kanye's words almost Yes so

2:09:13 On one of Kanye's albums, he had a song called Wolves. Now the family has this philosophy about the Wolf King and they don't believe that Jesus was sent here for the sheep but for the wolves. Wolf king. Understanding how we are proceeding by Doug Coe We should not draw conclusions about what is right or wrong before we have all the factors in our discussing them together We are at a crossroads. The right man, at the right place, at the right time can change history

2:09:59 When I was a member of the family, always we were talking about strength. Jesus says you must go to those who are in positions of power and I remember one of the senior brothers talking to me about the metaphor of the sheep and the wolf He said, You think Christ came for the sheep right? And I said yes! Yes of course he said it's good to love the sheep but who is going to love the wolf And you know what? If you can get the wolf alongside you, Wolf will get everyone else in line pretty quick. So don't worry about the sheep We must go out and reach The Wolf King How do we get The Wolf King? You show him that you have a great power I love this theory It just hit me like a lightning bolt When you watch it and know what i know About this whole transformation

2:11:09 He could be aligning himself with the, like you said, the Christian Illuminati. And to do that this is where this new identity comes from As I was listening to that, you know, the bit about, you know, The Right Man will come along...I think they might have even did they use the word tool in there or it might've been my imagination? Just last night I was watching the PBS Frontline interview with Steve Bannon and I've seen Steve Bannon interviews. This one was so good because he talked about how he

2:11:50 Bannon and Jeff Sessions had years ago set up a whole bunch of things that they wanted to change in America or Make great again literally now. It's Steve Bannon so I don't know the guy he may be full of shit but it sounded very plausible and believable, and that and that they before Trump came on the scene they've been trying this things didn't work and Jeff Sessions said the right man will come along and he will be the tool of change. And Bannon says, and that man was Trump... An imperfect tool to hear what I'm saying now because this is just with Kanye's an imperfect tool but the tool nonetheless! And you know? The Christians or the religious-I won't say right there the religious period

2:12:48 Mm-hmm. Why wouldn't they be it's a great? It's a I think is what everybody wants if you have a group and you believe in something strong enough And then you're waiting for the guy and now you can call him Jesus the Messiah or the wolf to go after the wolves but he's the imperfect tool, and I love this theory and Then you cannot you cannot deny Kanye is quoting from this series somehow Or it's just a big coincidence It's one or either that and I'll give you one other big coincidence new, you know saying we could probably wrap up after his visit to the White House. Kanye pops up in Uganda. Oh my goodness! The fellowship and Uganda have a very tight relationship there were ones that had were helping push that anti-gay bill in Uganda? Mm hmm Yes

2:13:42 He pops up and he meets with the president of Uganda. And I couldn't clip it because it wasn't, saw the clip on YouTube but the family they have this little Bible is a subset of the books of the Holy Bible which only the gospels in the four books to the gospel and damn if you didn't look like Kanye had that in his hand when he was meeting Well, I'm a bit concerned about the Uganda connection because Uganda is run by the CIA. It's been run by the CIA for the past 50 years so i'm very concerned about that and you know but who the hell knows? And I'll... Go ahead No no go ahead please finish And I will wrap with from my side with this Kanye is a very easy win for president

2:14:41 That sounds crazy, but I've said this before and always called crazy. Now we've said the left right you know the Democrats rely on heavy black vote right? If they can get that number down if Kanye can get that number down enough it's about the negative vote here and he already told you in these clips before middle America is with Kanye. And i agree and he's only solidified...I listened to the album

2:15:17 And by the way in that interview we didn't play it, but he says you know I'm like Michael Jackson You always got all these different things. I'm here my majority Michael Jordan right? I'm hearing Stevie Wonder in this record now What what we would call the musical genius of Stevie wonder there is some outstanding stuff in this record And but without a doubt from beginning to end it's spiritual. It's religious It's Christian from beginning to end at every lyric every word But the choirs all the stuff and it's its it's the message is all there and who's on that wall in a black home We had the black we had the Black Baby Jesus That's right, and Martin Luther King that's it uh-huh

2:16:11 Oh my god, Mo. Thank you once again! You have delivered better than I could have imagined. I told Tina this morning we're deconstructing Kanye. I'm so excited and perfect and I'll tell you ma'am...I'm with you under the right circumstances with the right backing Kanye of course he could become president regardless it will be so good for the show It'll be so good for the show. And this show... Please run! Yeah, right. Kanye please run Kanye and this show is of course put out free to listen to free-to-copy send around move around to anybody as a podcast

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2:17:44 And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. That's right! And we will reveal ourselves once again in one week from now and you never know where the show can go. MoFacts.com with Adam Curry it's mofacts.com and support their work at mofundme.com Talk to ya next time Mo Alright, see you later Adam. Bye bye everybody! But come on people, let the show begin Get down in it try and find a friend Because time keeps moving and today won't come again No no no La la la la la...

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