10: Black and Blue

00:02 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for October 7th 2019. This is episode number 10 You believe that mo it's like two and a half months now right when double digits I mean This is great double digits yes, we went double digits exactly how you doing? Um I'm doing well Made it through a week of programming, social programming and I made it out alive. Yes! Hey, I got a lot of great feedback on the last episode The colorism stuff? Man... A lotta people had no idea about this

00:53 Yeah, I got a lot of great DMs and messages and emails as well. Gave a lot of people insight. Surprised a lot of people... not a lot but a handful of people contacted me and said that They had parents say the same thing to them that Matthew knows, Beyonce's father told him about don't bring a dark-skinned person home. So just interested in where it stems from so I'll do more research on that but overall great feedback as always. Yes and and i'd like to start by saying that this is a value for value program which means we'd like

01:36 See how valuable you think the show is and the way it works is you can go to mofundme.com this is new Moefundme.com, mofundme.com And uh... You can show your support How much was it worth to you? Uh.. You listen to this show for an hour-and-a-half two hours If you go to the movies It's probably 50 bucks But okay if its valuable to you we'd love to know mofundme.com And you did tell me what the topic was going to be for today. Of course, I know what the case is about and really happy because it was just...I don't know just a couple days ago The Keeper asked me said What's going on exactly with this? I said You know, I really don't know. I know the outlines of the case But I really its I just didn't look into it so let us kick it off for today

02:30 Okay, so we're going to talk about the Amber Giger and Botham Jean trial. That's where... Well let's just get into clip number one and let them tell us what it is about. On September 6th 2018 Dallas police officer Amber Giger killed Botham Jean inside his apartment According to police, she thought his apartment was her own. Geiger said his door was unlocked and she mistook John for a burglar I'm Natalie Kelman-Kuhn and this is the reporter's notebook from The Dallas Morning News A recap about the biggest stories you need to know Geiger's murder trial is set for September 23rd 2019 Jurors will hear testimony about what happened that night at the Southside Flats apartments just south of downtown Dallas

03:15 Geiger lived one floor below John and it appears they never met a jury will have to decide Geiger's fate Jury selection begins September 6 2019 exactly one year after Geiger shot and killed John Right exactly. This was a very weird case wrong apartment Some love interest things that were on the periphery confusing of course there's a racial element to it I'm very interested to hear what we're gonna look at today, how it unfolds. So this is not going to be our typical format show that we have been doing with the historical wild ride because i want to take this opportunity in real time to let people see how the media manipulation is targeted towards black people

04:09 That way we can we could talk it out and defuse it so I found this ABC article Me ABC piece. It was about seven minutes long Wow, and I chopped it up into multiple pieces And I found it to be very um Mind control ish if I hear from the music wait a minute ABC Was broadcasting something that you found to be mind control ish hmm gee what are the chances? I'm shocked alright, so let's get into ABC News backgrounder one

04:47 Amber Geiger was an off-duty police officer arriving home after a long day of work sometime around 10 p.m.. Her neighbor 26 year old Botham Jean was in his apartment exactly what happened next is still a mystery But what we know is Geiger went to John's apartment She says she thought it was hers when she saw him, and she fatally shot him The aftermath of that moment captured in this video the incident sparking questions nationwide about race police transparency and an officer's use of deadly force And I must point out whenever a so-called news item has really creepy music under it

05:24 It's mind controlling. Yes, that's how it usually goes. That's exactly why I didn't say anything. It began with the big gong or I guess you would call it a gong kind of sound draws you in and has the like pointed out creepy music and it just goes on from there so what I want to do is For half our audience, and I don't know if it's 50%, but for a good majority of our audience or good segment of our audience they'll receive it the way I received it as They're trying to manipulate me. They are first 30 seconds in they've already thrown race into it which just can't be avoided I mean we have to really you know talk about who was involved in the case and past shootings and things that nature But right off the bat they hit you with the race thing and thats You being immediate

06:19 Right or wrong race is good for ratings, correct? Well This story has almost everything you need Race is good for ratings. You know the old news business of course as if it bleeds It leads so we got that in there We got love interest all kinds of stuff But yeah I think these days absolutely If we can throw some race stuff out there people will pay attention So with that in mind That's what we're going to try to deconstruct and break apart. So let's just get into clip three, according to the arrest affidavit Geiger who lived on the third floor parked on the fourth floor of the building that night. I didn't touch one up right down there for she headed to the apartment directly above her unit thinking she said it was her own door She says was slightly open The interior dark

07:12 I thought it was my apartment. She says that over and over again in this five minute recording Is that significant to you? It's significant to the point that it makes me feel like that call was staged. It made me feel like she had already spoken with someone. Geiger, still in uniform said she thought she spotted a burglar but in fact it was the apartment resident Botham Jean She then fired two shots hitting Jean once in the chest Wow! That is some interesting Supposition I guess whatever you want to call us sounded scripted. That's something I would say typically, but that didn't come across as scripted to me So as we get more into it and the way I clipped it is kind of out of order Mm-hmm because I did in his segments okay? so we got the backgrounder we have a police officer coming off at 13 1⁄2 hour shift

08:10 Coming home, I think she lived on the third floor but she parks on the fourth floor. She goes to the apartment she assumes would be hers, enters the apartment and there's some gray area about how she got in there and if the door was locked, if she knocked or not but somehow later in the case they... Spoiler alert! To the movie that they're creating here because that's what it is. Let's just slow down for a minute I want to point out to people, when you hear these cases avoid them like the plague. But this is what i do if it wasn't for this show I would have not gone as deep as idea into this story because I understand how they want to manipulate me how they want to prod and poke in well hold on a second let me ask you about that when you say that they want to manipulate you

09:08 In what way? I mean, you're speaking from experience. I hear this and just like... I hear the music and I'm like, I didn't want to listen to the story but so I'm glad we're doing it! But do you feel that it's going to be manipulated in a putting the black person in negative light is that your immediate feeling when you when you hear this? I think it's about ratings from the media. So they want to, they walk a fine line as you said. As you just said that's interesting on how they say they sounded scripted They're gonna throw raw meat to both sides Oh, nice.

10:01 When both sides get invested, it's kind of like the Super Bowl or anything else. Or just like political polling and we you know I think we've talked about this certainly on no agenda It's like you got all close race too close to call well, you know spend more spend more That's exactly what it is keep them glued I was pulled in by this with the political polling that Kamala is trending up. If we go back to the older episode, I got pulled in, I got suckered in from a headline so if you don't listen to the media spin on these things then it won't affect you in the way that it does and

10:48 Okay, I think a lot of people wonder and say why do black people And I don't want to overgeneralize get so sucked into these stories. It's because the way the media Targeted targeted us with these stories hold on Mo white people get sucked in just as hard with these stories when they're presented this way it works True, true. I'm not saying it doesn't but I can only speak from one perspective and that's why this conversation to happen because you can...I think this is probably the one place that you can get this conversation to happen in real time and i think thats the real value of this show

11:31 And that's why I was really 50-50 on not even doing this show, this topic on this episode. Because I didn't want to feed into it but I was like this is a great... and now only decided last night. No no that's good and let me just tell you this is probably appropriate before we get too deep into it the way the story read to me was here's a cop The 13 hours was significant, you know. I'm tired after 13 hours." I have parked on the wrong floor in my building previously but uh...I noticed it when i got to the door-you know, in the parking garage that goes into the actual residence so I've done this just in mindlessness

12:20 Of course the door being maybe open or something. I mean, you gotta be really tired? Now then to add on top of all of that because of course I forgot all this and like whatever this is over and then Tina asked me about it. And yeah, I really don't know. I haven't looked into it Because to me it seems like, well bad shit happens all the time but this is one that's playing out. It's like all these true crime murder things people are obsessed with and it's not for me However when I saw a quick news snippet the other day of the cop, I was like oh she's cute! That did draw me in a little bit for a second. But again, because just who I am I didn't care but i think you're absolutely right this was a ratings bonanza just laying and waiting to be brought out to the masses so that

13:16 That's where I'm coming makes for the perfect movie and that's why I use this background clip because they actually sell it as a movie trailer When I heard this sounds like a movie trailer. Oh, thank you was met missing with the guy in the deep world In the world where white cops kill black people on the wrong floor yeah exactly So let's go. Let's okay, so we've gotten the background so we're going to break it down The first reaction is always the 911 call. So we're gonna hear her talking To 9-1-1 I'm an officer. I thought it was in my apartment and I shot a guy thinking that he was

12:20 Of course the door being maybe open or something. I mean, you gotta be really tired? Now then to add on top of all of that because of course I forgot all this and like whatever this is over and then Tina asked me about it. And yeah, I really don't know. I haven't looked into it Because to me it seems like, well bad shit happens all the time but this is one that's playing out. It's like all these true crime murder things people are obsessed with and it's not for me However when I saw a quick news snippet the other day of the cop, I was like oh she's cute! That did draw me in a little bit for a second. But again, because just who I am I didn't care but i think you're absolutely right this was a ratings bonanza just laying and waiting to be brought out to the masses so that

13:16 That's where I'm coming makes for the perfect movie and that's why I use this background clip because they actually sell it as a movie trailer When I heard this sounds like a movie trailer. Oh, thank you was met missing with the guy in the deep world In the world where white cops kill black people on the wrong floor yeah exactly So let's go. Let's okay, so we've gotten the background so we're going to break it down The first reaction is always the 911 call. So we're gonna hear her talking To 9-1-1 I'm an officer. I thought it was in my apartment and I shot a guy thinking that he was

14:02 Thinking it was my apartment. An attorney for John's family listening with us, the audio obtained exclusively by Dallas station WFAA All I can imagine was both of them on the ground taking this last breath and that was very difficult for me. Okay we have help on the way! Yeah i know but im gonna lose my job In the recording, Geiger can be heard growing increasingly distraught. Geiger now potentially facing prison time.

14:47 Uh, have... oh God. Having listened to a lot of 911 calls in investigative research this was not the 911 call This was the 9-1-1 call but I don't know how it was edited she goes from uh Oh my god! To oh my god i'm gonna lose my job I don't know if that was her first thought I don't know if that was her first thought but it certainly was presented that way which makes me feel immediately like Why did she think of that is that the first thing you'd think of I wouldn't be thinking of that But I don't know if that was it was chopped up who knows what it was And we have to listen to their help. There's skelter or way It's being presented one guy said all I could think about was Botham laying on Yeah, yeah nice then she comes and then it comes back with the next edit oh my job She sounds like a little girl

15:38 You know, it sounds like a little innocent child which makes me believe or makes me think of Greta. Oh! Greta Thunberg the 16 year old climate extravaganza who they always make to look younger. Huh interesting so that I just take this a personal takeaway what we're doing here is deconstructing we're deconstructing in real time yes correct Next, they go into a little of the victim's bio. So let's hear that. Now that 911 call beginning to shed light on what happened that night Botham John, a St Lucia native is described by his friends and family as a quote ray of sunshine. Botham had a love for everything and everyone so I just want the message of love to permeate throughout this whole process An active member of the Paraland West Church Of Christ

16:37 He was beloved by many. As this packed service held in his honor shows, his fate forever changed by Amber Guyger Now I recognize this as a template that the news media does all the time whenever usually a young black man is shot This is the template he was great at school active member of the church And I'm just being brutally honest with you obviously that's what you and i do together. What am missing? I'm missing his mother crying but that was... That wasn't his mother talking! Oh, that wasn't his mother okay so that's the template. That is the news template in America when a black man is shot

17:25 Yes, and we as previous shows. We know why we know the connection with the mother and the child yep Who they're the target audience? They're trying to reach with this news story it could be your son that's hawk This thing wraps a bunch of what we talked about in all the previous nine episodes up into one nice little package You almost think they're listening to us for instructions But it's sick, it's sick in a way. It is but what I can say about Botham Jean Is he was a good guy He was in his house Laying on his floor on this couch out whatever store you want to believe eating a bowl of ice cream You can't get any more innocent than that He was an accountant

18:17 no priors, so this only heightens- Wait wait you mean he wasn't your typical black guy drug dealer? What?! I'm confused! Right. Which is the narrative they like to go with Hell yeah So... This only heightens the stakes in this case because it's purely innocent Botham attractive quote unquote attractive white woman blonde, she fits perfect casting. You were saying central casting? Blonde and it's just these two people collide into this perfect cat. What is the word I want to put for it? Tragedy. Sure. Catastrophe. Yes. Perfect. It's a perfect tragedy so but what you pointed out something you said that he's not the typical drug dealer but

19:19 In this happening in real time right after the case, right after the shooting his character was attempted to be assassinated. This insane case also in Texas of Bobby Jean and it keeps getting more crazy he's the black man killed by Dallas cop she says she accidentally entered his apartment thinking it was hers and thought he was an intruder but there are some Big ol' holes in this thing. Yeah, there's so much more that we don't know and the apartment itself even going to the door he had a red mat in front of it hers did not well she said she had a bunch of packages and couldn't see it couldn't see but no she saw well enough to shoot him twice. Well once you were done after. The neighbors are saying says the door was ajar yet the neighbors are saying they heard someone banging on their doors saying let me in but let me in Let me ask you this if the door was ajar

20:14 You as a police officer don't know if there's 50 people in there or two. Why didn't you call for backup before you pulled your weapon? Exactly, it sounds like something... But there were disputes on whether it was a jar or not There's a lot of things and then they tried to assassinate his character by saying you know they found marijuana in there Yeah So are you telling me that somebody in their own house can't smoke a joint without Smoking while black? Yeah I know. Who said that smoking while black which view lady said that That was uh whoopie Was that whoopee you said, i don't know i couldn't tell if it was hers No that was whoopee talk and then who chimed in Someone chimed in Joy Oh of course well

21:03 So this was interesting. This is what we do in the United States media, we talk out of our buttholes with no evidence and have no idea when I think by the way a cop shows up at her own door and it's ajar which has kind of triggered for me the memory of this story whenever it started Like oh, well yeah if I'm a cop and I show up at my own door And it's ajar my weapons out and I'm ready to you know. I'm a cop so I'm gonna go in and Be ready for anything that happens that was the narrative that I caught when it first came out You know I don't even know if I heard it right But that's what I would I heard and so here they are saying will you call for backup? I would disagree with whoopi on that

21:50 But they did try to assassinate his character. Oh, hell yeah! Of course yes of course but here we go the way the narrative was painted to target me and like I said i heard these things in glimpses and I really didn't put a lot of time into listening to it but just what gravitated towards me you know I heard it I'm just talking to people The story was this is how I was told secondhand from people And I'm just giving you with the perspective on how they received it He was laying on his floor eating a bowl of ice cream and she whipped out the gun and shot him on the floor. Dead, you know there was no confrontation, there's no interaction which that's not true but the guy is laying on this floor eating a bowl of ice cream how more innocent can you get? But they did try it as the media always does when you're trying going back to the campaign analogy when one guy is running away with it what do they always do

22:52 Well, one guy running away with the campaign. Attack! Yes do whatever you can of course because this seemed like it's too open to shut or too much of an open and shut case in a sports analogy a blowout so they were like oh we gotta balance it out let's put the innuendo out there that he was drug related right now I mean Who doesn't smoke a joint and eat ice cream? I mean, come on. This is America! So usually it's in that order yes? It starts with the joint then oh man i really need some ice cream Yes of course so to say that as a bad thing even if he did have drugs how could that be negative?

23:35 But this just goes to show you, it's back to the black guy drug dealer. That was the thing I caught from it by saying that. And I think one thing that we have between me and you is we have these deconstructionist eyes so it prevents us to see how the general public sees things sometimes. Yeah well we always a prophylactic over our head Right so it makes you eye roll when I heard that was like weed up my eyes rolled ball like hold on had to go back and like look at through the lens of the of the unwashed To coin a phrase So moving forward

24:22 We're going to get into the shooter's bio. All right, Amber Geiger a four year veteran of the Dallas Police Force. This is person who has been on patrol for four years they have a pretty good idea of how to handle stressful situations at that point there is nothing to say The two neighbors had a relationship but on September 6 after more than 13 hour shift Geiger who was off duty arrived back to her Dallas apartment building where she and John's lives would cross in the worst way possible At that point she could be running around from job to job. So, that factors in here." Wait a minute what did he say at the end? She was going from what? He said at that point she could be running around from job to job so I assume that he's making you know saying that she could be working off-duty jobs Okay That's how it took it It sounded like Yeah But now they're laying out that she is seasoned

25:17 She's a four year, I'm saying four year vet on the force. So she should know how to interact with these cases. So like you said they're still... The news is not picking any sides here they give them little red meats of both sides to keep you enthralled and entertained in the most nefarious sense of the word Yeah, it's ridiculous saying cop. It keep you caught into it. It's disgusting and this of course was used excessively with the OJ trial I mean This is the media knows this is a success formula Yes all all the way down to who the characters are now? I have to ask this question if it was a white woman shooting a white man no press If it was a black

26:14 person shooting a black person no press. Correct, but as we pointed out before in the casting of this movie everything is perfect you got it all thing is everything right down to the cop being a woman couldn't doesn't get any better blonde woman oh excuse me yes perfect perfect Academy Award with the German sounding last name I mean, that matters. Oh you're right! Yeah, I didn't even think about that Wow What a valley girl first named Amber was saying last night? Yeah yeah In fact if you wrote it this way Hollywood would go man that's too blatant No no that's unbelievable its so perfect and yet here we are

27:03 Here we are and I knew that the reason why played that first clip, the very first clip is how it was un-sensationalized. It was just straight to the point this is what happened you know and willing go to trial but once the mass mainstream media got a hold too it was like this is too good to be true! That's right So now we're going back to 911 call. Do you need police support or just the MS? Yes, I need both. 20 times on that 911 call Geiger tells the dispatcher she thought the apartment was her own at one point saying she was tired No! No... I... I'm a f***ing liar

27:54 Okay. So now we hear her saying she's tired, she's tired? Is that what I heard? Yes. I'm tired. I'm not laughing Brian. This is crazy. So we have to get to the point of asking and they held do you not know your not at your apartment right there is the million dollar question because you brought it up yourself. We all

28:30 Made mistakes been distracted, you know. Yeah I've tried to get into the wrong car You know that's happened of course dumb stuff like that yeah, I was just about to say that I was gonna give it that same analogy my wife was sitting and I Was in this other store? My wife sitting In an apart car waiting for me And a woman comes and hops in the car. Right, because when you're distracted, you're distracted. OK? So I think so she comes up to the door and everybody makes a point that there is he had a huge red welcome mat welcome mat in front of his door. So you have to ask how in hell are you that distracted

29:21 Let the next clip explain to you how. Omar Villafranca is at the courthouse in Dallas, Omar what did prosecutors reveal? Good morning. Prosecutors say that at the time of the shooting, Amber Geiger was preoccupied talking and texting with a partner who she was romantically involved with and the jury got a preview of some of those sexually explicit messages. And she shoots him twice at the start of Amber Geiger's trial. Prosecutors argued the former Dallas police officer missed several opportunities to avoid the deadly confrontation with her neighbor 26 year old Botham Jean and four for her omissions.

30:00 Both of them paid the ultimate price. According to prosecutors, one of those errors was a romantic conversation Geiger was carrying on with her patrol partner in the minutes before the shooting. Geiger and fellow officer Martin Rivera allegedly had a phone call and exchanged sexually explicit messages. OK so that's where it came from I knew there was some romantic thing in there but now at least have the story according to media But did you catch how she was distracted? At the very beginning, no I heard you ring the bell but i missed it. It's right at the very beginning. Let me play it again hold on. Omar Villafranca is in Dallas. Omar what did prosecutors reveal? Good morning. Prosecutors say that at the time of the shooting Amber Geiger was preoccupied talking and texting with a partner who she was romantically involved with and the jury got a preview of some of those sexually explicit messages. Oh!

30:58 Talking and texting. She's talking and texting, she's distracting while shooting Yes! You know, when I play this game if someone's on the street and they're holding their phone. I give myself one point If they're on the phone standing on the street two points if they are on the phone walking three points If someone is driving while on the phone five points I think that killing people has got to be a free game If you're on the phone and shooting people, you really win that game. Crazy! Okay? But that explains how... because we've all been distracted We've all done it but how do you get all the way to your house and not realize is your house is very easy if you are on your phone Yes

31:52 Clickety-clacking away at the keyboard, you know especially if somebody's saying very something very interesting to you i.e sexting which what they were doing Oh You know and this could kind of explain Herb again we didn't hear the 911 call in context We heard it edited but if I'm texting and all this comes down I'm just playing you know the advocate of the devil I'm texting, I'm doing all this. I walk in somehow something's messed up the doors open and I'm carrying on an affair with one of my colleagues

32:30 This is maybe where the immediate response, so I'm gonna lose my job or response. I'm gonna lose My job came from as she's putting it all together in her head And I'm just making it up as they go along as to what I hear as the story unfolds Okay, let's clear out the door thing So we just don't have to wonder about your thing anymore because some people say that They heard a knock other people say that was oh It was cracked open What came out in the case was that the door was locked but not latched. So she did put her key in... Oh, turned it and it opened? But they didn't turn what it pushed open. Oh okay. So I said perfect tragedy. If that door had latched properly she wouldn't have been able to get in right but the fact that his door didn't latch

33:23 It just you put her key in she still yeah, Mo strike one for the black man. I'm sorry He got a lock your door strike one Yeah so But are you being the OTG guy? Mm-hmm I thought that would be very interesting to you. Well, it's the crux right now the way you've presented it It's the crux of the case! Phones kill! Phones kill end of story But we can't let that get in the way of a good narrative. Hell no, ratings! If you're in... Right? Oh bonehead woman shoots cop because she's sexting I mean that does have a nice ring to it but you know still not cooler than white female cop shoots innocent black man eating bowl of ice cream It would try and target For the people out there

34:27 Turn down your trigger knob. We're being loose with this because what we want to do is desensitize people to the over- Abuse, abuse Moe! It's abuse. The media is abusing you that's exactly what's going on here So what we're gonna Do is we'll be light with it because we don't want to add to that We can see clear, this is easy open shut case woman distracted. Water to it because if she's not distracted and she just tired you say that's not my couch right? That's not my chair right especially if you're looking at dick pics yeah you're distracted Right and then some black guy jumps up like hey! She's like hey! Pulls her gun bang dead

35:23 Because you there's no way you could tell me she wasn't distracted and she walks into the environment unless you're gonna say she assassinated him right well, it was It's interesting that the jury, I mean this is where we're at in the story. The jury knew this, the jury has the sext apparently so now i don't know if a jury of her peers which is the way we do it in the United States If they consider what its like to be distracted on the phone most people are distracted all the time because of their devices and dont even realize it

36:04 That's a very good point. And we've seen people walk in the manholes, yeah we've seen people crash into cars walk in front of cars... You know that pedestrian death rates are up 5% year over year with cars killing them and since in the past 10 years it's up 41%, you know since 2008 so I and of course phones are part of that statistic Right, so let's get this. Let's go on with the distract distracted narrative were distracted to whatever is on her mind after that conversation has consumed her attention entirely in the opening statement. The defense dismissed a prosecution's argument that Geiger should have realized she was on the wrong floor in front of both departments

36:55 Is this extremely obvious bright red floor mat? To say that she was aware there was a red doormat and knowingly ignored it because she wanted to go into 1478 and shoot this man is preposterous. Yeah, I love prosecutors and defense attorneys they always paint the picture So this goes to show you, and I think the real problem that she had was when she parked on the wrong floor. I think that's where the distraction originally happened because after that, you're in autopilot

37:31 So she was driving while sexting too, obviously. Yes yes and they said that in the previous two clips that she was yeah she was just going at it um and I think that's how she ended up on the fourth floor instead of third floor and then you know all the floors are set up the same so your just going through your your routine, your memory. Yeah, you're your muscle memory sure yeah your muscle memory and that's how she ended up at the door she assumed it was hers the door the lock should have stopped her but it didn't and then everything after that just snowballs let's get into distracted three. Yeah Doug that revelation was this ongoing conversation between Amber Guyger

38:13 the defense did not want jurors to see. Prosecutors say both officers deleted this conversation from their cell phones and when asked why, Geiger's partner said this wasn't something he wanted to be reminded of. In the opening day of trial, Officer Amber Geiger saw her former partner take the stand. Would you send provocative photographs of yourself? Yes. Officer Martin Rivera testified about the racy messages they exchanged the day she shot and killed Botham Jean. Want to touch red one Geiger sent around 9 30 that night

38:51 30 minutes later she texted I need you hurry and then I messed up but using an expletive Their messages prosecutors say she typed while on the phone with 911 reporting. She'd shot John Oh, man this just gets better This is no longer a movie that this is a miniseries Coming to lifetime or yeah Yeah exactly so As you stated, she was texting distracted and that's how she ended up. But as you heard, she was even texting after she shot the man. Yeah so this is going to show you this people stay off your phone. Stay off the phone! Wow I mean it's a life of death and i don't want to over simplify or make it a phone issue but

39:52 This is how this thing can go really bad, really fast. So but to go back you said that the 911 thing about her being scripted, this lends more credence to that because I'm sure she texted her partner slash lover, I f'd up He was like, hold on. You know? Oh well yeah maybe... Yeah this is not atypical for law enforcement you know the minute something like this happens you know that it's obviously you've killed another human being even if you don't kill someone you shoot you draw fire

40:30 You draw your weapon and you fire on someone, there's a whole machine that starts to kick into gear. And we've also been conditioned through television... Hey man I got my unregistered weapon on my calf, well just plant that on the perp! We're conditioned to think the cops do this- Okay I'm sorry I'm ahead of the game again No, wait. Do you have to take it and put it in his hand and fire off a shot? Oh that's the best yeah I mean hey Mo what are you like a professional? Hey man do you know how many law orders I've seen this is how it goes You gotta get the gunpowder residue on his hands That's right That's right The point is we're conditioned to already think that way so even if I don't want to think that way I can't help but think exactly what you said

41:18 She's distracted, the whole thing happens. She shoots him and then she's with her partner oh shit what do I do? And he's like okay first thing you do is whatever he said don't touch it turn around jump in the air stand on one foot and call 9-1-1 whatever it is at that point a process has already underway Yes. And so let's get into the final distracted clip, no distracted for prosecutors say Geiger overlooked multiple warning signs including John's bright red doormat that she was walking into the wrong apartment but defense attorneys told the jury she was operating on autopilot and made an innocent mistake

41:57 But she's thinking, my God there is an intruder in my apartment. And she's face to face with him. She's within ten yards of him and he starts approaching her. And she reacts like any police officer would who has a gun with confronting a burglary suspect A Geiger supervisor testified that when confronting a burglar like this, Dallas police officers are trained to do a tactical retreat and then to call for backup. But attorneys on both sides disagreed over whether that still applies when officers are off the clock. Doug? Andrea let's talk about a couple things before you go. Prosecutors also brought up a phone conversation Geiger and her partner had they said about three minutes or so before the shooting happened any idea what role prosecutors think this may have played in all

42:50 that. And I'm sure you're going to be able to find out more about this case, but first let's talk about the phone conversation. Yeah Doug prosecutors say that phone conversation lasted about 16 minutes far longer than their usual phone calls and they even said that Amber Geiger pulled her car over while it was taking place. Prosecutors suggested that something may have happened on that call that affected her mindset just minutes before the shooting. Her partner testified though Oh man, it just gets better. This is totally phone sex! Something happened. I know what happened. 16 minute phone conversation, you pull over to the side of the road and then the guy's like, oh no, about no 16 minute phone conversation. Come on now brother yeah he would have called and what sad about it is whatever is going on between them she pulls over to be safe during this massive distraction that's taking place so she actually had whatever was going

43:52 You know, was enough for her to pull over in that case. Oh man what a this is just a tragedy it is all over yeah So we're going back to the ABC movie trailer aka the ABC News clip backgrounder racecar three John's family left in anguish she took my life make my very own life. While the community grapples with unanswered questions, we're still dealing in America with black people being killed and some of the most arbitrary ways driving while black walking while black and now we have to add living while black sparking protest over what some say is a lack of transparency coming from the Dallas Police Department in the wake

44:43 Wow, I don't think it was him but it almost sounded like Reverend Al there for a moment. It certainly was the kind of thing Reverend Al would say That was the new Reverend Al Benjamin Crump Oh okay yeah that's Benjamin Crump from the Trayvon Martin case, the Michael Brown case, the Tamir Rice case So that was really...that's disgusting what he did there Yeah, he- no! It's his business. No I know it's his business. Oh my goodness When you wanna get the money You gotta come in and put the leverage With them, you get their protestors in the street, you heard them in the background You got the weepy mother on the news And then you come with

45:36 We can't walk while black. What was the other? Drive while black, now you can't eat ice cream while black. No no no! It was living while black. Living while black that was genius it's a new one Right so you can't even live I mean behind a locked door yeah which is true in a way but this has...I don't think this case to this point let me be clear to this point had very little to do with race up until where we're at in the story Let me preface that Because it's gonna. It's gonna okay, baby Right let's review let's review for a second because right now It's distraction whole bunch of stuff happens and This man winds up getting killed Yes, but we have not heard at any point with there's been no evidence that it's a racial issue Except until I just heard this guy yes which you when you want to get the money

46:37 And that's his job. When Ben Crump comes in, he's there to get the money because he's not even with the prosecution now He's with a fat. He's the lawyer of the family on a civil trial on a silver Okay Thank you I was gonna ask so in you know Sharpton has his he has this foundation and what sharpens business model is it's kind of old-ish And which, you know, and Sharpton of course is a reverend. He's not lawyer so what he does is he goes in protest outside the company until they pay him to go away In this case this guy's an attorney and he's playing it up but its civil suit

47:13 So he's looking at a multi-million dollar payday for the family, but really for him Based upon and which is just like the OJ case who was acquitted on Finn in the federal Federal court and was convicted in civil court. Yes And how this apparatus works I believe crump gets on the phone with his black lives matters people Give them to the streets which that used to be our shopping shop right before pre-internet because you had to have that um You got a ground game. Yeah Right so now it's just and it's kind of like auto reaction whenever I mean cuz the Internet is gonna go into into what it does

48:01 once it starts trending. But you have to get it trending, you have to get notable people, I.E. Sean King who we've heard on this show before these people that are tweeting about it picks up steam then Crump swoops in and he gives the news clip- Hey Mo remind me what city did this happen? Where did this take place again? This happened in Dallas. Oh yeah right Dallas okay all right good yes so that's how this whole thing works now The Race Car has been played So now we're going to get into police privilege. The thing that stands out the very most to me was the fact that when I listened to that call, not one time did I hear Emma Geiger say she was in fear of her life

48:42 The Dallas Police Department was quick to respond, turning the case over to the state investigator. The Texas Rangers... Thank you in order for us to be truly transparent to this community based on the circumstances we have invited the Texas Rangers to conduct this investigation But it would be a few days before Geiger was identified and arrested for manslaughter. The family had many questions for the authorities The main one being that this police officer should not be given any preferential treatment. Oh yeah, okay. That's right because she's a cop no preferential treatment. Right like cops are not going to look out for cops and that's what the thing was is that they didn't release her name and they didn't arrest her for days She killed the man I mean it's clear

49:41 Now the motive behind it, or reason behind it but somebody's dead at the end of her gun. But the police department has kind of put built that what they call the blue wall. Yeah and thats for real and I have understanding for some of that Which, you know whenever this happens line of duty or not and I think it's a thin blue line. It was like TV show about that So yeah, I mean I'm not what I haven't heard yet is if any if anyone spoke to her if there was any

50:20 judicial contact with her. The way it sounds is, hey you know she just kind of disappeared into the woodwork while everything was shaken out and she was free to come and go as she wanted despite the fact that she had obviously killed someone in cold blood. Right! She was allowed to do that for a few days before she was charged and arrested. So...that goes to show the police privilege which like you said does exist but exists in every I guess union or how many unions are gonna look out for themselves, industries are going to look out for themselves. And the police union is strong? Yeah very strong! Okay so now we're still on the ABC backgrounder race card nine

51:08 As details of that night emerged, protest grew louder. Many demanding justice for John. This is a case that raises a lot of sensitive questions and there's going to be enormous public interest and consequently there is more of a desire to get that evidence out faster More than two months after the arrest in the initial charge of manslaughter a grand jury indicted Geiger who had since been fired on a murder charge It's possible the grand jury just decided on its own. It's more likely that the prosecutors played a role in moving this from manslaughter to murder Hmm, okay Okay So now we it would were picking up steam here when so women mo does at some point during this story Do we get like a Soros pops-up? Please I Can't

52:08 confirm nor deny Soros had any doings in this case. This is the new Soro sound effect. There he is, whenever Soro shows up. Okay yeah, Soros didn't show up on this one but what I would like to do now... The way police are viewed and in this country by either economic status or racial divisions It's totally different depending on which side of the, uh, which side you're looking at them from. So what I wanted to do is take because this is where this is the crux of the problem

52:51 I think... Well, we're coming right down to what everything in the past well in a long time actually in the United States has been is cops you know and then and since Kaepernick it's on even a global stage with police brutality towards black people that is yes you know that is the narrative and its shit man. It's I think it's generally accepted by most So what I want to do is get into a little history. We all got to get a little history on the Mo Fax and Adam Curry show because that gives context

53:30 So let's get into history of police in America 1. The police here to serve and protect recently facing scrutiny nationwide regardless an American institution, but they didn't just show up out of nowhere Hey guys I'm Melissa Salvatore for 8012 today We're taking a look at how police came to be in America the colonies And eventually America itself relied on very loosely organized volunteer groups to handle things like finding lost kids and catching criminals basically glorified neighborhood watches about as effective as Vince Vaughn this last lasted until the mid 1800s. Inspired by the founding of the London Metropolitan Police Department, many American cities officially established their own like the NYPD established in 1845 with less than 200 staff within 25 years New York Boston Philadelphia Chicago and LA would all have unified formal police departments these quickly became cesspools for corruption since politicians would do all the hiring if you didn't want

54:19 You didn't want to work with the guys in office? You are out! LA went through 13 police chiefs in 10 years before 1889. Reform came between 1900 and 1930 thanks to a number of progressive investigations Now, police were recruited and hired on merit not on political connections Hmm, okay. That's a very very high energy Very abbreviated version of the history of the police in the United States where does it come from? Where is that from that came from 8012 YouTube channel so Yes, very very abbreviated But what I wanted to show is police in itself has an origin out of corruption Let let's be clear

55:04 Police reform never stopped. It just took a just took more of a philosophical turn. Like in the 60s when police race relations came to the American forefront, and today when many of those same issues are back in the national conversation. No surprise considering how much policing has grown! Remember that 200-man original NYPD? Today it's about 35 thousand part of the most recent national data available counting more than 1.1 million state and local police employed in America now you know from AB12 You know, I need to disclose some bias i have in this Mo. Yes please! During the 80s and 90s working at MTV and in New York every year Joan Jett and I would visit the orphans and widows of the NYPD for Christmas

56:00 And so these were orphans and widows of officers who were, or widows and widowers, who were killed in the line of duty. So I do know some of this from both sides. I know a lot of people in firefighters EMTs, and I am amazed personally at how they don't become incredibly jaded in many, many cases. I agree because they have a shit job and... And this was... I guess it's all as long as i've really been aware of this there's always been pushback and you know my god are you just shooting black people but also I hear how cops talk about people when they're not on camera and its challenging mental occupation for sure

56:57 It's almost like being in the military, you know? I was in Iraq and when you hear Marines talking about damn ragheads towel heads is shocking right but go sit there for...I was there for 10 days and I was like holy crap this is hell. You know, so it's very hard to place yourself in someone else's shoes in general anytime anywhere. I just need to just say that...I mean have some bias because I got- I understand a little bit from what I've experienced from the other side. Okay, so here is the weird problem with policing and black America if something goes wrong who do we call? The police! Yeah So thats understood

57:46 The problem is, okay say for instance just for sake of argument. If I'm a racist white person right? What job could I get where I can harass people that i don't like legally? A pool guard like Joe Biden Right, right. Sure. Crack pop popcorn. Okay. Corn pop. Yeah. So what I'm saying is- Esther Williams? Yeah exactly. That's Esther that's it. Esther. So what i'm saying is you have these people these bad actors embed themselves into the police department because they know this gives me access to go into these communities and be a bad actor and not can hide under

58:39 the protection of the blue. Yeah, and that I think is pretty farcical. Um...I can see how someone on the force gets very jaded and mentally twisted just because of the job. No what i'm saying it's coming into it! Coming into it! I understand so yeah I've got a doubt that that's you know mean to I don't know. It's, I certainly understand the thinking and we're set up to think that way no doubt That this is where we get into the two perspectives Now do i think all cops are bad? No Do I think all dogs are bad? No But I don't like dogs Because of the fact that I can get bitten by one I'm just being honest with you so whenever I see a dog People say oh thats my dog he won't bite you No! He wont bite you

59:34 Dogs are people too. Careful now, you understand what I'm saying? Of course it's like of course I do it's a natural fear and the reason why we're having this conversation is because I'm going to go and dig out where that fear comes from nice Now, once we get there it's like digging a blackhead out. We got to get the pit out you know we gotta get it out and then we can understand each other's perspective. Next like I said if somebody breaks into my house right now I'm gonna pick up the phone call 911 that's the natural reaction because my taxpayer dollars pay for them to provide the service to me that they provide and I won't be thinking oh I don't want to call 9-1-1 cuz they're gonna shoot me You know? I mean that's not but

1:00:28 And I want to be honest, let's just hold on. Let me ask you the question. Okay? So now for now so your house is broken into by a black guy You wanna call your protective force that you're paying for At any point do you think holy shit they might go after the wrong black guy In the moment i won't be thinking about that okay It's like it said it's a weighing of threat The guy bringing it to my house is a way farther higher threat than the police subconscious. And I want to call it fear awareness of what could go wrong, right? But what you have is as we always talk about with their media doing what they've done, what we illustrated in all these clips previous stoking the fire when you have the talk going wrong of that's why I'm saying this while we do this

1:01:31 Because it's not you have a totally different perspective for police because you didn't have the talk go wrong with you No, you didn't have a mother like we had I think show two or three saying you could die at any moment. Of course not in fact my mom The talk we had and I'm older than you So it may have changed with you know half a generation of the talk I had my mom said if you ever have a problem If you're lost or you don't feel safe look for a police officer and go up to them That is the talk. I received as a white man in America Well, it's the complete opposite for most cases because no shit most black people would say go the other way if you see police That's so sad

1:02:17 And it's not that, okay when you do the averages it's like okay what is the percent chance that this could go wrong? Maybe 5% 3%. But I don't want to have- If I listen to the media no. You said just 5%, I've been thinking much higher than that! That's my perception Right cuz I'm able to put things in perspective now. I'm not one of those people at all It'll never happen, you know, I mean if I'm not that guy either because I know I live in reality right and these things can happen Just make it won't draw us out too much blood and we're gonna get into the next clip But blue lights in our rearview mirror Trigger something to us yeah Good. I'm talking about a good physical reaction

1:03:05 I mean, you're a leader and like I said, I live in the reality. I don't live in a hyper fear mode but I had to be aware of this. I'm like hold on, am not speeding? My license is straight. You know what I mean my car no, I'm not breaking any laws but just the natural gut reaction so we're gonna find out where that comes from and this is from The Stimulator YouTube channel it's super woke alert. I had to preface that, but slave patrols the birth of modern police. To understand slave patrols it's important to understand the slow development of state intervention in maintaining slave society beginning with simply passing laws that would restrict

1:03:54 the activities of the slaves, and then laws on their own being insufficient authorizing any adult white man to enforce those laws. But then the reliance on individual action proving insufficient forming into this body called Slave Patrols that were an offshoot of the militia and worked as kind of a voluntary compulsory organization meaning that participation was mandatory but it wasn't professional outfit. That provided a way of making the entire white male population directly involved in maintaining the slave society. As industrialization came to the south and there were larger slave populations in southern cities, the slave patrols moved similarly into the city and there they became professionalized and very quickly their duties expanded and they became a body that we would immediately recognize as modern police force

1:04:46 And when was this the slave patrols as Jim Crow era is that the idea or before? This was this is pre-civil war. Oh, okay Okay got this was priest. This was pretty civil world where slavery still existed so So that was just some background of there is a school of thought and Colin Kaepernick and even Jamel Hill she got into trouble behind us from ESPN fame all right in there yeah police came from slave patrols. Now that's a far stretch, but when you look at the formation of the KKK post-Civil War

1:05:35 And then the infiltration of Southern, we're speaking about Southern here. So the police departments of the KKK when you look at Bull Connor when you watch civil rights films and you see police dogs being sick all this is psychological. Oh how about black Klansmen? Right correct so uh when you see fire hoses being sprayed on people when you see billy clubs being used on people and then you know, you factor that into this narrative. You can see why it's not a far leap. Oh absolutely and when we have many people leaders in many communities who witness that themselves Elijah Cummings comes to mind

1:06:21 You know where this there's actual footage of stuff that happened him as far as I know And I can't discredit anything he he was a part over wasn't the part of just him constantly reminding people Yeah, I mean. I'm aware of that sure Every time they speak they always speak about the Billy club going across their head and you're on it brains almost get not loose So let me make keep they keep this perpetuation alive. Now, we got one more clip on the slave patrol alive and well in America. Slave Patrol regulations for Rowan County North Carolina 1825 first

1:06:59 Patrols shall be appointed at least four in each captain's district. Second, it shall be their duty for two of their number at least to patrol their respective districts once and every week in failure thereof they shall be subjected to penalties prescribed by law Third, they shall have power to inflict corporal punishment if two be present agreeing thereto Fourth One patroller shall have power to seize any Negro slave who behaves insolently to a patroller or otherwise unlawfully, or suspiciously and hold such slave in custody until he can bring together a requisite number of patrollers to act in the business. Fifth previous to entering on their duties patrols shall call on some acting magistrate and take the following oath to wit

1:07:43 I, A.B., appointed one of the patrollers by the County Court of Rowan for Company B's company to hereby swear that I will faithfully execute the duties of a patroller to the best of my ability according to law and the regulations of the county court." The National Humanities Center has many other similar reports in its archives. Slave patrols were a regular feature of the South, from its first settlement by slave-owning Europeans until the decades after Reconstruction when slavery was abolished but whites in the South still wanted to keep blacks in their place. The slave patrols were largely replaced by or simply renamed as the KKK

1:08:26 in small town sheriffs. Yeah, this is a farm Hartman I think yes this is from the big picture RT yeah I don't like him I've never liked him he's problematic yeah yeah he's super woke as well so what is the cop since we'd be covering the history of police? This for last four clips what is the commonality between all 40s clips Well, they're presuming that all the cops are white. No! All the presenters are white Oh I'm sorry... Yeah well hello? I did that for a reason Are you trickin' me again Mo? No i'm not tricking you what im saying is... yeah it's a good point Right if my psychology is... They have no perspective or they have A perspective but its only one

1:09:29 But if I'm thinking, hey this is nah that's a conspiracy or maybe I read too much into this and I click on. I start watching these videos and it wasn't hard to find once I Google one you know your suggestions like one after the other after the other you get into that rabbit hole This is how You come up with the woke anti-police narrative Well, um... They only confirms the bias that you have. Yes well interesting in general and I don't know if that's because your moe and mo facts of research You asked me what was the comment? I didn't think of that for a second That they were all white That would never have crossed my mind No, the reason why i said is it just leaves credence to Yeah, I understand If I'm leaning that way

1:10:26 That just wrapped it up for me. Oh yeah, see? Even white people are saying that! Yeah even white people think so. Shit yes good catch So alright so going back to the... I just wanted to get us To how you have as we said before You have the two sides watching this ABC special 7-Minute Special and they're picking sides This is how the 2 sides are formulated You have one side that are pro-police because they look at police like you said is if you're ever in trouble, that's where you go to. And then you have the other side of just like I don't know right? So this is how the two sides are formulated so but fast forward back to the case thank God we don't have to worry about that because The Sheriff of Dallas is a black woman. Right Renee Hall The judge in the case was Miss Tammy Kemp

1:11:22 And let's listen to the makeup of the jury. We did get our chance, by the way, to see the makeup of the jury as well while our crews were in the courtroom today. So here's what we know. We got eight women for men on the 12 person jury five of them are black four Hispanic two people are white one person of Asian descent there also for alternates all of those or women all of them are sequestered now for the length of this trial. Okay? So we got the jury. And when I say we, I'm being somewhat facetious but it's like okay, we got the judge, we've got the sheriff, we've got the jury. What could possibly go wrong from here? Right! It was like okay but there is some reluctancy because its like we have seen this story before. Its like you know what I am saying Lucy with the football. So its still ummm

1:12:15 Anx there because like man, we've seen people get out before. We saw the Rodney King case they have video Beating this man in the street and these guys still got off so their days they're angst there But let's hear the verdict of the case We have breaking news out of Dallas, Texas right now. A jury has just found a former Dallas police officer guilty on murder charges. You remember Amber Geiger? She was charged last year after shooting and killing her unarmed neighbor Ed Lavendaire is outside the courthouse with the very latest ed this just happened fill us in Well, we'll let you see how it unfolded inside this courtroom here in Dallas just moments ago as the judge read the verdict against Amber Guyger. Good morning ladies and gentlemen. The jury having reached a verdict Miss Guyger and your team would you please stand?

1:13:15 We the jury unanimously find the defendant, Amber Geiger guilty of murder as charged in the indictment. No outbursts. You could hear the gasps there inside the courtroom as the verdict was announced. Botham Jean's family, the 26-year old accountant who was murdered by Amber Geiger about a year ago were inside that courtroom they've been wearing red every day of coming to trial here that was botham jean's favorite color amber geigers of the family also inside that courtroom outside You can see the heavy security presence here at the courthouse. We have to go through a second layer of security get to get through the courtroom that is at the end of the hallway you could hear cheering outside that courtroom just shortly after that verdict was read here Well, this is interesting A murder verdict Is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another? Yeah and she says she wanted to kill him

1:14:21 Oh, she said that. She was shooting to kill ah okay? That's pretty damn premeditated Yeah So she was shooting to kill but now you saying the reasoning behind that Was it because she thought she was actually in her own apartment well premeditated is open for interpretation in this case But if she said if she said I was shooting to kill yeah, that's not just shit That's a tough one, but yeah, okay. I'm listening so you heard the Courtroom when they read the verdict people celebrate it's like yes. Yes, I mean because we saw this with the OJ case in reverse yep so and And I was living in New York

1:15:07 When this happened and I remember when the verdict came in, it rippled through the entire city man. It was in the buildings everyone was talking about it there was outrage, all kinds of emotions just... that's the only description I can give it rippling like from the TV all through the city So that was 95, am I correct? I think so yeah. So what 20 years later Well, most people think he's guilty now. Yeah I have my own thoughts about it. We're not going to get into the case. Of course. I'm just telling you how things change. And in my community in 95 OJ being innocent the juice was loose. He got off woo! But 20 years later... Screw that guy

1:16:06 Get off Twitter. If you ask any black person, and you know why that is? No Because he says I'm not black, I'm OJ He was cancelled Big time Cancelled Funny that becomes his most egregious mistake Is to say that Yes That's interesting And that's why they were able to make that, what is it? FX show to kind of rewrote history or wrote it correctly. I don't care how you see it. Like I said we have the view things like they are these are sporting events this is like the Super Bowl whatever else to be networked and they get people all... You know, I'm a cowboy! I'm a redskin! No your not

1:16:58 You're out of shape guy sitting on the couch drinking a beer. What are you talking about? I mean, yeah yes me included i mean what i'm saying i mean me included i mean i'm not actually on the team but it's the same manipulation so done for enormous profit in sports world but yeah of course it's manipulation and done for the same way here, enormous profits. I like to see how many clicks this case got or how many... That's why when i started the show off, I said that made it through the social manipulation because you can avoid this conversation anywhere and it was just like oh god! You're sitting out to a lunch table news

1:17:44 That's what people were talking about. You go online, that's what people are talking about for even more reason as we're gonna see so okay she found guilty so it was like it is the huge win It's like yes! We got her So let's listen to Benjamin Crump talk about the verdict Ben Crump when the verdict came down most of us were surprised that she was found guilty and that's pathetic Thomas, unbelievable. My co-counsels Daryl Washington and Lee Merritt and I counted the night before how many commentators, how many of these white lawyers who would be saying the totally opposite thing had both them

1:18:34 went into the wrong apart Giger. But they all said, gonna get a murder convic fact most of them said sh So it is so bittersweet th We can come Tom and Silvia and talk about how when we have people show up for jury duty because we had a diverse jury that we can get equal justice under the law. And what a good feeling it is for the family, and so many others other who prayed for justice, Thomas. Prayed that this woman wouldn't get away with this because what message would they have sent to the world? Where would black people be safe in America from not being killed by police? Fuck this guy. That's Ben Crump! That was the same guy that irked you before and he is talking to your guy. You know it's your

1:19:36 Tom Joyner. It's my guy, my guy! Hey you already set me straight on Tom Joyner he is my ex-guy no longer in the club Wow but this also I mean hmm and you just hear what he said This is black radio early in the morning that's right and like I said that's a whole nother...I want to go back one thing I rang the bell on the previous clip And they said that red was his favorite color. He had the red... Door mat? Door mat, I'm about to- Theramin please! Whoa what's going on Moe alright Theramin is playing. I'm not gonna harp on this much but Hermetic Theater. Hermetic theater? Yes Not familiar

1:20:35 It's where they say like numerology is important in these cases and color coding. Now I'm going way out there, but this is for the people in the back. Everything she wore was blue. All her dresses were blue on the other side Um, everything was red. I'm just gonna leave that where it's at. Which is...I just wanted to say that for the people who know what i'm talking about and that goes back to the Masonic houses and Illuminati kind of stuff. Is this also a Bloods & Crips color thing or is that just my... Our Democratic Republican? Well obviously there's a lot of red and blue stuff. Oh nice throw that in there yeah that's nice

1:21:23 I just thought that was weird. Oh, and he does a number 33 to pop up and i'm convinced right so always I knew why she was wearing blue on just on the um On the level because it's like oh she's trying to identify as police every dress she wore was blue Every picture in court I've looked, every, I mean say if there's other pictures people please share them with me. But she was signaling that It was blue and that's gonna be important these next few clips. So I love you mo We were done no, there's more Verdict to let's talk about conviction and The time that he's going to be she's gonna get for the murder conviction how much time can she get what's the maximum?

1:22:21 She can get up to 99 years in prison, literally. In fact nobody thinks this is going to happen they could put her for the death penalty but because this is Texas where they kill more people especially black and brown people than anywhere else in America but the issue and get from 5 years to 99 years is all up to the jury or they can do it down with departure as well. Tom, however I look at this jury in a composition of this jury and I believe we have the prosecutor bringing out about her Facebook post that

1:22:59 It could arguably be considered racist in many regards that this jury is not going to let these intellectual justifications stop them from returning a verdict that is appropriate. And it's unjustified killing of this unarmed black man eating ice cream on his couch, and his apartment where he had every legal right to be Oh nice, let's bring in a little racism and let's kill her. Death penalty! Yep. Gotta stoke that flame so now he brought up the makeup of the jury I'm sorry let me stop you for a second i live in Texas um...I don't like killing anything I don't hunt but

1:23:51 The obsession we have in the United States with killing, I think that we should definitely have capital punishment but we should televise it. We should put it on TV so everybody can see it and not just this oh let's kill her or lets kill him death penalty you know they can't just be happening in secret So I'm not against this and i can understand if something happened to someone I love how I would feel about it. And living in Texas, I would probably be calling for death penalty. Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait no no put a marker in that statement you just said You remember how you will feel? I didn't mean to interrupt but I want you to remember that

1:24:36 Remember that. Okay, so if you can finish your thought you want to but I just wanted to know what I was saying. I'm good Yes okay So now I want you to do two things for me play the jury makeup again and then go right into the ex Dallas officer sentenced We did get our chance by the way to see the makeup of the jury as well while our crews were in The courtroom today, so here's what we know. We got eight women four men on the 12-person jury five of them are black for Hispanic two people are white one person of Asian descent There are also four alternates all of those or women all of them are sequestered now for the length of this trial

1:25:15 A jury has sentenced former Dallas police officer Amber Geiger to 10 years in prison. She was convicted of murdering her unarmed neighbor Botham John in his own apartment Omar Villafranca reports from Dallas The same jury that convicted former police officer Amber Geiger of murder has now decided her sentence. We the jury find unanimously that the defendant did not cause the death of Botham John while under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from inadequate cost and assess the defendants punishment at 10 years imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. Geiger faced between five years and life behind bars for killing her neighbor, 26-year old Botham Jean. Sounds like we had some compassion from the female members of the jury. Ten years for murder? Mm hmm You talking about a huge kick in the balls Yeah Now I'm speaking from one perspective now Mm hmm you talk about a huge kick in the balls A guy shot dead eating ice cream in his apartment

1:26:18 And the lady gets 10 years. Oh, and Moe if it was my son who got killed honestly just hypothetically speaking I'd be waiting for her to come out of jail after ten years. I can understand that! And i think you would do the same Remember these things that your saying because alright okay go on to outrage after Amber Guyger There is no peace and no justice. It should have been 25 to 99. The rage was immediate in the crowd watching the murder trial. How many? Is it going to take

1:26:57 before you understand that our lives matter. Rage at a sentence of just 10 years. But then minutes later, both Mijan's mother stepped up to the microphone wanting to talk about more than just the sentence. The corruption that we saw during this process must stop and it must stop for you Because after now I leave Dallas, but you live in Dallas And it must stop for everyone allow me to nuance what I said if it was my son That's how I'd feel and what happened here is Justice took place. I wasn't in the court the jury seems pretty balanced It doesn't none of this may it's a tragedy none of it makes anything right

1:27:55 Shit man, this is very tough. There's one piece of evidence missing and I left it out You bastard! So we can go back Alright so you remember the mom in the original clip she thought I want love to go through the process and The love and the love and the love right? Now she's like oh it's a corruption That's interesting yeah Alright so Brant John Is Botham's brother And in between the guilty verdict and the sentencing, they allowed the family to give what they call impact statements. Yeah where you get to address your... You would get to address the killer or whatever it is. Right let's listen to John Brandt and he I'm gonna say this his

1:28:51 What he said is representative of how the whole John family felt about the case. I can speak for myself, I forgive you and... And if you go to God and ask him He will forgive you. And i don't think anyone could say it again I'm speaking for myself not even bad for my family But I love you just like anyone else. I am not gonna say that I hope you rot and die

1:29:36 Just like my brother did but I see I personally want the best for you, and I Wasn't gonna ever say this in front of my family or anyone But I don't even want you to go to jail. I want the best for you I don't know if it's possible, but can I give her a hug please? No! Please Wow I didn't hear about this

1:30:17 And he got killed for this. I bet he did! This man said, I don't want you to go to jail...I want the best for you Can i hug her? Please? Wow Disgusting and the reason why I say that is I can't- I'm not saying people can't be forgiving but this factored into the sentencing Oh, wait a minute. So okay so this is pre-sentencing? Pre sentencing! Whoa well corruption from her own family Why would that be Adam I'm afraid to say anything at this point I will say it for you Okay Being the crump What did i say he does Yeah He brings...he makes it rain He does Part of that deal is

1:31:19 We can't have an uprising in the streets. Can't have a bloodlust because we've seen that I mean, that kind of what factored into the Ferguson when when the father got up there and said you know, we won't have any peace You know he was kind of like, you know now I want to say it's not right But I mean he had same visceral reaction as you had And then I mean you were speaking hypothetically and he was speaking real from the heart Yeah So that's, and this is not the only case where you've seen this. We've seen this over and over... Okay let me just understand what you're saying so you're saying that Ben Crump, that's where the deal was cut. Ben Crump says okay we're not going away we need to get paid

1:32:09 And this has to lead to a conviction. Now how that works inside of jury and corrupting the jury, I don't know if...I don't even want to go there." It doesn't! But it's like we need to get paid but were also going to temper everybody so they don't go too crazy? Is that the idea? So we don't have riots in the streets? So this Ben Crump works for all sides. Exactly. That guy is evil. No, no. I didn't have a sound effect for Boolay. Wow! Yes! That's how it works! Shoot you got me. This is how it works. You talk tough and go on the radio all day. They'll pin your D.

1:32:59 Now, I'm speculating here. But we've seen this over and over again the family comes out oh we love them and we forgive and yeah Oh, immediately it's not like you had a... Let me see him sit in jail for a few years let me say recalibrate how i feel no He got up on the stand and says, I don't want to see you go to jail. And then begged to hug her. The woman that shot and killed your brother? That's pretty intense. I think he oversold it. You saw those Ms coming your way for the people who don't know what Ms are. Those are millions. Mm-hmm. You saw the Ms come your way. Racks and stacks! Right. Make it rain. Oh ho. He was like, I'm going get out here. And he got up there. Like you said, he didn't plan to say that

1:33:58 Just overplayed yeah, okay, so let's go to bottom John brother cleanup. What the time I didn't know cameras on I after the sentencing I saw Amber's family leave the room and Along with amber and we left then came back upon coming back. I didn't think any cameras would be on it But it was over because we have the conviction we have the Sentencing and I was asked to They asked all of us, any of us who wanted to do the... victim impact statement. And that's when I came up and said, I'll do it! Not knowing the attention it would get but I did what I had to say. I meant what I said and thank God that I got the courage

1:34:58 It's important to note that, and Grant has told me before that two minutes before he gave the impact statement he wasn't giving any statement. And then two minutes later he was on the witness box speaking his heart to the person who murdered his brother. Just it showed incredible bravery but it wasn't something done for show and I think that is the reason its connected so well all over the country Wow! Where did that come from? Where'd you get that? That was post the Senate seeing, I think a few days later they had a press conference and that was the other lawyer of the family speaking. He was the local lawyer that they got and then Crump swoops in. This is how things happen you have your local affiliate and then you have the big man come in

1:35:44 He works his match. Where's this family? Where he where's this family from originally I can't place the accent It's like Creole is it like no, I think it's hey They say st something St.. Lucia. Yes, ain't lucid. That's all right okay, so Once he said that I forgive you and like I said his sentiments were represented of the other family because the father got up there say oh, I want to be your friend and Oh man. It was disgusting um But just let his work cuz he was the most egregious and internet killed him I mean actually literally they want to kill him Because they looked at like you He was the c-word Okay, I'ma say it that is

1:36:32 By definition of the word, cooning at its finest. Yeah we've talked about this. Yes C-O-O-N for people that don't know, cooning! Yes your brother is killed. Cold blood And you get up and say, oh I love you. And I don't want to see you and I want to hug you please! Asking the judge can you hug? What kind of... So are you insinuating here that Krump said M's are coming racks in stacks gonna make it rain chill Yes Jeez And the family went for it Yeah You have to- you can't talk crap because if he gets up there said I won't see your burning like uh I wanted to get this clip but Samuel L Jackson and Tom McHugh

1:37:16 Yeah, I did it. And I hope they burn in hell! I mean that's what you... If you do that the streets can explode No kidding and so is like hey You know I mean? I think there's a wink and a nod nod there. You know it's like Walk back you know Well now but now I'm giving myself some pause Okay So I'm putting myself in this in the family in the same situation, and this is what I'm told It's like okay You can go, we can rant and rave and we can get all upset. He's not coming back but here is the alternative if we do X Y & Z And these people are distraught

1:38:00 And you've got a crump talking in your ear saying, okay this is exactly what he would say. Look he's not coming back but here's 10 million dollars or whatever the number is and I'm gonna get this for you but here's how we have to do it." Yes, so we had to live on for Botham. I know how that conversation goes! I know how it goes. Like, you know he's not here anymore but you know we could do great things You know what would Botham want? And that and you heard that a lot with everybody What will Bo want? Live like Bo. I think the hashtag was like live like Bo or something like that There was a hat they had T-shirts with hashtags on them and expressed red t-shirts Red red red t-shirts Yeah

1:38:53 Yeah, with some kind of weird Go look at the pictures y'all some kind of weird Pyramid shape on it. I'm just saying you know You've I'm just telling this turn in the show has made me sad in many ways Oh, it gets worse. No. I'm sorry to say but okay Okay It ain't no happy ending to this one oh, I'm sorry folks So Brent John wasn't the only one accused of cooning Let's listen to, this is TD Hip Hop Media on YouTube. When she got down from the bench and gave Amber Guyger a hug after the 10 year sentencing goes to show how scared the judge actually was for her livelihood as it pertains to remaining a judge

1:39:47 You don't bite the hand that feeds you nor the hand that protects you. Now, let's get into the conversation at hand or I should say the topic at hand and that's about The Amber Guyger Trial. Now, I'm not going to beat a dead horse with this one but I do want to talk about something that I have not heard a lot of people talk about already and it is something that you may not know in regards to we'll say putting context to why the actions of the judge and the black police officer in the courtroom during Amber Geiger trial was the way it was. Why it was so buffoonish and nonsensical, watching a judge hug Amber Geiger after being sentenced to 10 years? And after being found guilty for murder you see the black female police officer fixing the hair of Amber Geiger

1:40:35 This was all very strange and nonsensical and buffoonish, and left a lot of us wondering what in the world is actually going on here. Now TD... this is only on YouTube? TD Hip Hop Media? Yes! Well they're doing a great job following what the mainstream does as just making hay out of dead people So let me put some context to what he's talking about there so after the sentencing Miss Tammy and this is what they call her now. Tell me the mammy camp Comes down I'm being serious that means these people are hated in the Judge the judge the black judge the one who counting on bring it home to me She doesn't do something she doesn't do sentencing she God yeah, no wait till I tell you what eyes what? She does do okay. She comes out of this off the stand and

1:41:32 Hugs the shooter the convicted shooter Wow gives her her personal Bible her personal Bible, huh? That's perspective to personal Bibles and black people some inside baseball giving you a personal Bible that's kind of like oh Something you do, give it to another family member. You know like your grandma gave you like child unref in this Bible for so many years? Right right I have a personal Bible and ain't giving it anybody. The judge comes off the stand! The blue judge! The blue judge! Comes off the stand! Hold on she ain't the only one there's an unnamed cop

1:42:28 When she was convicted, found guilty the black woman comes over to her and strokes her hair like she's a small little child. Combing her fingers through her hair consoling her The blue bailiff! The Blue Bailiff! This ain't black and white bro! This is red and blue? THIS IS BLUE! THIS IS POLICE! Yes sir... And that's what I'm saying, it's just like even and like i said we didn't want Tammy to do anything illegal to tilt the trial. We didn't want him saying... but when you see people put in places you got the conviction and then the family does this is like..I will tell you what it is It's something that you would say it's a bit nothing burger. I've never said that! What are you talking about? I would never use a Van Jones term ever

1:43:29 You're a bastard, Mike. I thought... I don't like the movie! Hey hey you saved it an hour and 43 minutes and you got me very good. You brought out the nothing burger on me alright? I'll never live it down. No no I thought was perfect timing. Very well. Not to get too heavy but this is where people would feel like man he gets the conviction The lady says she meant to kill the man and then you get 10 year sentence. And like I said, it can't be that...it's blue! One question on the timing Did the judge come down and hug her and give her a personal Bible after the verdict or after the conviction? After the sentencing. Wow

1:44:20 Yes. Wow! And like I said, you have to look at this in real time This happened like in a 48 hour span and this is why this is a huge kick-in the nuts To the black people that were invested in this story and it's why I say I don't get invested any stories because it's like You get the conviction, you heard the joy of the Ben Crump and Tom Joyner. Yeah we did it! Yeah we got her!" And like he's talking 99 years death penalty it's like oh man we got this wrapped in a bag and then you get the brother going up there doing his sentencing all over YouTube It was like aww man can't you hear this clown? Then you have the lady bailiff consoling the shooter

1:45:04 I mean, like you would do a small child rubbing her and it's the imagery. We gotta go to colorism! But it is inappropriate in any case, in any color for officers of the court to conduct themselves that way. It's fucking inappropriate. What we talked about with colorism, this is where this plays in... You have a very dark-skinned bailiff consoling a blonde haired white woman that's just been found guilty of murder. The imagery, I'm not like i said- I don't...I'm talking about what it looks like. It looks messed up is what it looks like And then you have Tammy come off her stand and say here child here's my bible I want you to read from every day and then the lady gets 10 years but wait there's more! No no no I can't handle more

1:46:04 Key witness. There is a murder mystery in Dallas tonight, A witness in the trial of former police officer Amber Geiger was shot and killed Friday night Joshua Brown's death comes 10 days after he gave key testimony In that case here's Meg Oliver Dallas police say 27-year old Joshua Brown suffered multiple gunshot wounds and was found lying on the ground in the parking lot of his apartment Friday night. Brown used to live in the same apartment complex as former Dallas Police Officer Amber Geiger and her victim he was just across the hall from Botham Jean that night in September 2018

1:46:46 when Geiger said she mistakenly walked into John's apartment and shot him with her service weapon. We need a moment just last week, Brown told the jury he heard the interaction between Geiger in john followed by gunshots. Could you tell if one of the voices was giving loud commands like stop police or anything of that nature? Yeah but not everything wasn't what they were saying. I don't have and I'm saying, let me see your hands. Let me see your hands." Geiger was sentenced to 10 years in prison Dallas police are still searching for a suspect and motive Several witnesses say they saw a silver four door sedan speed away from the apartment complex The Dallas County prosecutor called Brown's testimony brave And said that he came forward to testify Elaine when others wouldn't Still so many unanswered questions Meg Thank you

1:47:38 Oh my god, this so you know that true crime is one of the most popular podcast Categories right now. You've basically taken us to the top of iTunes as far as I'm concerned Because this you can look at this many ways But this kind of turns everything on his head at the very end leaves us with questions unanswered and conspiracy theories No kidding because we gotta keep it going so we can revisit the case every year Mm-hmm, and we can keep talking about it and keep making money off of it people don't get invested in these stories You're being led along by the nose And you're being manipulated and it's all about money for everybody almost everybody involved in this Unbelievable well as much fun as I had during this show. Oh

1:48:39 I need to take a shower and I need calm down. This is very disturbing, and it's really disturbing how this played out And it won't stop! It just will keep on going now with this because we have the guy saying something that doesn't fit the sentencing Doesn't fit the conviction Doesn't fit the scenario that was painted for us oh, and he's dead The other lead witness, the lead witness ends up dead shot days after the sentencing. But there's hope because I don't want to leave people on a down note if you don't participate in this these shows and that's why open this podcast with saying they sold us as a movie it's just going to be another movie another blockbuster Don't participate

1:49:36 Turn the television off. If you want to help people deal with them on a one-to-one relation, just like me and you do Adam We can't have had a conversation, me and you You know we push back on each other On our perspectives And I understand...You made me understand where you're coming from And I try to make you understand where I was coming from How they are able to play on our pull out harp strings So don't let them. And as it turns out, it's very possible for people of different backgrounds to have normal conversations and talk through stuff Very much so but not with the help of the mainstream media With elite structures in general and it's up to us I mean not just you and I but everybody you're right You got you gotta stay away from this stuff or look at work on looking at it with

1:50:32 Open eyes as to what's really going on because you're not just seeing something unfold in front of you You are being pulled in and becoming a part of the story. We heard it there The yes, you're part of the story when you're out protesting and screaming and outraged and from all sides you're being drawn in It's it's very meta but your part of the drama and its only benefiting In most cases big corporations who set out to manipulate you to get the money in the first place both sides That's right Well, speaking of which we're podcasters so we make no money out of the deal. Everyone's making bank all we ask for is that you consider if you got any value out

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1:52:04 Pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we'll be back next Monday with another episode of MoFacts with Adam Curry, check us out mofacts.com Talk to you next Monday Mo! Alright see ya next Monday Adam! through the grapevine everywhere is true all my blames are guilty baby of this self condemned cast me aside cause I'm gonna be good to you love for you is more than your foolish pride

1:53:40 Just put me on probation. Loving you is more than infatuation I'm guilty, but listen don't cry baby baby Cast me aside yeah yeah yeah Oh and your foolish pride

1:54:25 All you got to do is just put me on probation. My fear is more than an infatuation, cause I'm a teen. Not so young