04: Facts and Fallacies

00:00 Uno, dos, tres, cuatro. Mo Facts with Adam Curry for August 19th, 2019, episode number four. Hey Mo. How you doing, Adam? I am doing good and I am loving the tracks you sent over for the show today. Yeah, that's us. What's the oldie but goodie that's headed for self-destruction? I think it came out in 1986. It was very impactful on me as a child and it kind of stuck with me. Isn't this one of those tracks that is sampled on everybody's record? Yes, it's probably one of James Brown's loops. Because he's like the backbone of hip-hop. That's right. Okay, a couple of administrative things.

00:57 We're in the iTunes podcast directory finally we made it in yes Which is which is good news because now you can just tell your buddies Hey, you should listen to mo facts and then they can just search it in their podcast app and what's cool about the the the Apple podcast directory is is that all these other apps, because it's very difficult to maintain a directory of apps, although, of podcasts that is, I would know how to do it, it's on my list one of these days. So all these other apps, they tie into it and they use their API, so they now also are automatically searchable, so like Overcast, a very popular podcast app. So we're really tied into the mothership. And I gotta tell you, I pulled the Podfather card, that was very cool.

01:42 It's a nice car to have, sir. Yeah, it kept getting rejected like, oh, thank you for submitting your podcast. Looks like you're testing something. It's like, yeah, no, put us on. And then I had to email and say, hey man, can you point me in the right direction? I'm the podfather, sure you've heard of me. And like, oh, we fixed it for you, no problem. Quick thing about the last episode, we talked about Opportunity Zones. I got a lot of feedback from people on that. A lot of Opportunity Zone fund managers actually. How about you? Yeah, I got some great emails just giving us background and boots on the ground information about what's going on.

02:25 So I'm loving the feedback. I love when people contact me and if you want to contact me you can go to MoFacts.com That's M-O-E-F-A-C-T-Z dot com and you can go to the contact page and just send me email or anything you guys find interesting. Yeah, the feedback I got was from the fund managers of course were saying well if you look at the numbers it really isn't doesn't have a big gentrifying effect that's what now of course they're fund managers interesting Side note to that is they said there's a lot of states and cities mainly run by Democrats who went who pooh-poohed the the opportunity zone tax breaks and you know and they were too late and so they've actually they've hurt their communities according to the fund managers by not taking advantage of it.

03:18 Go ahead. Right. So, I mean, that was one of the things we point out in the show that only 11% of the opportunities, if my number is correct, fall into low income areas, which I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing because we know the effects of gentrification. So, I mean, I don't know how to, basically interpret that number if that's going to be a good thing that you don't have like 50, 60% of these opportunity zones in poverty stricken areas. And I want to make people clear, make things clear. I'm not anti-capitalist. What I am is anti-hypocrisy.

04:01 So that was the point of the last show was to say you can't say you're anti gentrification and be pro opportunities on and that's that was the really thing I want to illustrate with these talking with these think tanks. where they were pushing their anti-Trump but pro-his opportunities on you can't and I think that was being disingenuous. And I think the message came through because once we got the and it's been a week since we did this once we got the message about Jay-Z and the NFL partnership with Roc Nation I mean my wife came up to me, Tina the Keeper, she's like wait a minute what is What is this Jay-Z doing? You know, it's like her eyes had been opened. Like, ah, this is happening everywhere. So, yep, and that's what we learned.

04:45 Right, and not to get in that too deeply, but that was another case of hypocrisy. It's not great move for him to get be affiliated with the NFL as a businessman. Because I think that opened many doors for himself. But to wrap yourself in wokeness, you know, and pro black agendas, and then Do a deal with NFL is the hypocrisy. Exactly. So these are the things we want to point out with this show and even on today's show, I'm going to point that out. But we're going to start looking at conservative think tanks.

05:22 Yeah, so we're still in think tanks and we're looking at the conservative think tanks. Okay, good. Correct. So we had to bring balance. Then I think that's what we want to do with this podcast is to bring balance and look at nuance and not just be pro one side or anti the other side. So just to kind of go into where we went ahead, I found this video on Prager University or PragerU and just a little background on them. This is per Wiki, well per Wiki. It says, PragerU, short for Prager University, is an American non-profit organization that creates videos on various political topics, political, economic, and physiological topics from a conservative right-wing perspective.

06:14 So I think this is where Candace Owens... Yes, this is the home of Candace Owens videos. It's run by or it's owned by... What's his name? His name is Prager, isn't it? The guy who owns it. He's had a lot of problems with YouTube and demonetization stuff, but it seems very educational. Yes, Dennis Prager, I think is his name. Dennis Prager, exactly. Right, so what we want to do, I found this video and the title of the video was the top five issues facing black Americans. And this is from a

06:52 right-wing conservative tilt so what I want to do is go through those top five issues and See if they're valid or if they're politically driven And you know counterbalance it with some maybe some liberal left-wing talking points and then find that middle ground halfway, but that's in between with it where the truth lies. Mm-hmm. All right, so number five What are the five biggest issues facing blacks in America? Here's my list. Problem number five, the victim mentality. Nothing holds someone back more than seeing himself as a victim. Why? Because the victim is not responsible for his situation. Everything is someone else's fault. And the victim sees little chance of improving his life. How can he get ahead if someone is holding him back?

07:42 All this makes the victim unhappy, frustrated, and angry. This is how too many Blacks see themselves, as victims. So much so that their victim status becomes their primary identity and their ruling ideology. I call it victimology. Unfortunately, many Black churches preach this victimology. Many Black parents pass it on to their children. Inner-city schools teach it to their students, and the Black media reinforce it. Meanwhile the NAACP and other black grievance groups fundraise on it Before you deconstruct this mo who was this speaking? Okay, this is Talib Starks Talib Starks, excuse me, and he's the author of number of Amazon's number one bestseller black lies matter So this is like I said, this is clearly a

08:33 right wing tilted video. So and like I said, this is, I consider them a think tank that comes up with the black conservative right wing talking points. So he brought up number five being victimology or the victim mentality. Where I stand on that is, I think that is a problem when you say that you are a victim. But just to push back against that, the, of saying that it's unjustified. I think that's where we have an issue with. So let's listen to Larry elders, which is another right wing.

09:17 pundit talk on victimology. So there's where you would say that this is purely because of social justice. This is purely because they want ultimately for people to be angry enough to just keep voting Democrats. That's right. And where's the evidence of a lack of social justice? When a black suspect is killed by a cop, believe me, the media is on it, people are watching it, and justice will, for the most part, occur. So to a point he's correct, but we have seen cases where Black men are killed by the police unjustly and seeing the police officers get off But let's continue to listen to Larry Elders in part two

10:03 And it turns out cops were more reluctant, more hesitant to pull the trigger against a black suspect than a white suspect. Probably because of the fear of being accused of racially profiling and the fear that the civil rights establishment was going to come down on him. So if anything, whites are more likely to be shot by a cop under certain circumstances than a black person. Oh, he's just doing statistics. Right, he's doing statistics. But the problem is when you say something like that, that Police are more likely to shoot a white guy than a black guy. I don't know one, I don't know how you quantify that or how you measure that. And two, if you're, here's the problem. You have two factions, the left wing and the right wing that are trying to communicate to black people what their pros are of their, you know what I'm saying, ideology. And when you come to the point and say,

11:02 that white people are more likely to get shot than black people, I think that's hard to prove. And it kind of... it kind of negatively affects what you're set out to do. I mean, there's so many qualifiers that you would have to take into account, you know, under what circumstances, what state, what crimes. I mean, there's a lot, you know, day, night, there's a lot of different elements there. Right, and that's the problem with that talking point, and it's very harmful to his argument because the first part, the first clip, he made some very valid points.

11:40 But you can't ignore and I'm what I'm doing is I'm pushing back against right wing talking points to show them how they're ineffective at reaching the average everyday black person and if this is and if I may say the idea of victimology that is a Conservative talking point applied to social justice warriors in exactly the same way That's that's that's exactly right and we do see We do see the left pushing people to want to be victims of everything. They always talk about the oppressor and we've even seen this weird thing where white males will tell another white male, the famous clip, you're a freaking white male. So it's like, they've even convinced, their propaganda is so good that it's even convinced white males

12:40 that they're victims. Yeah, well that's the basis of identity politics. Everybody's a victim now vote for us and we'll take care of you. Right, but what I want to point out to the conservative slash right wing which they do have some great, they make some excellent points. Candace Owens makes excellent points, even Larry Elders makes some excellent points, but when you put certain talking points in which are facts It automatically is like a gag reflex that black people, I hate using that term, but black people don't want to hear it. It's like, no, dude, what are you talking about? We've seen, his name slips my mind, Sterling. Rod Sterling. No, not Rodger Sterling, but the guy in New York that got choked out on the sidewall, I can't breathe. Yes. And it's- Michael Brown.

13:35 No, Michael Brown was shot in Ferguson. Ah, shit, you're right. It was Alton Sterling. Alton Sterling, yes, you got it. Yes. We saw him on tape get choked out. Yeah, but that's like, it's almost like Jeffrey Epstein, Mo. It's like we know that that's what the story doesn't check out. And in this case, we know the story doesn't check out. Sad thing is we actually saw it with our own eyes. Right, and that's what I'm trying to do is Lay out that if you want to be successful at getting the black vote or entertain the black vote or even getting black people to listen to your talking points, you have to be genuine. And when you say a white person is more likely to get shot than a black person, and what you have to understand is how that is received, not how said. All right.

14:28 How that is received is if a white guy on Wall Street in a business suit is doing a crime, he's more likely to get shot than a black person. That's how it's received and it's like, and your BS detector goes off. With that said, we all know that the left pushes victimology almost as a religion and let's listen to Stay Woke. We're not going to be able to successfully combat the oppressor if we're not united. And I think that it goes beyond our blackness. We need to be pulling together with other marginalized communities, period. But one of the things that I've really been pushing with my friend and brother Charlemagne is banking black.

15:12 You know, where is your black bank account? Buying black, which means supporting our businesses. You know, by the essence, don't just look at it online. Giving black, whether we're talking about HBCUs, our colleges, whether we're talking about our organizations like Campaign Zero or Justice League that are doing so many great things. How are we supporting them? And how do we expect them to support us if we're not giving back to them regularly with our time, talent, and our treasure? Okay, so this was Angela Rye. She was speaking on Stay woke is the biggest issue Excuse me. Stay woke the biggest issues facing black america's and it was um on the essence channel on YouTube And some of the things she said is oppressor These are these are key words that the left use and like I said don't want to be seen as oppressed

16:06 I don't want to be seen as marginalized. You know, these are victim, this is victim terminology. So like I said, if I have to choose between these two, one, like I said, Laird Elder makes some great points and he has some facts there, but he kind of like oversold it with some of his talking points. And if my other option is to be a victim, to be oppressed, marginalized. Then she said you can't do it on your own. I guess what she means there is black people can't meet their goals on their own, political goals on their own. We have to

16:47 make alliances with groups that are pushing things that are deleterious to black people causes such as illegal immigration. And then she says, she brings Charlemagne's name up in this clip and talk about banking black, which we saw on the last show. Yeah, Charlemagne banks at a big white hedge fund as far as we know. Right, so I'm just going to show how the left is disingenuous. So I mean that's just with the number one. Yes, I think victimhood is very victimhood is very damaging to black people. But I want to say this majority of the black people don't buy it's a victimology and victimhood. It's the small minority that's the loudest. Here's the thing. Well, hold on. How are they the loudest? You mean on Twitter? Yes, you have a small segment of

17:47 activists that are the loudest on Twitter and groups like Black Lives Matter, which we know who funds that, George Soros. They have the biggest bullhorn. They have the machine that can be activated. And they portray themselves to represent the sentiment of black people overall. Right, well this happens with a lot of groups and if we take into account Twitter really probably only has 5 or 10 percent of the American population using the platform actively.

18:26 But you get a blue checkmark and then you're a part of the game. And then that game is allowed to flow over to other online publications and from there it goes into broadcast cable news. That's kind of the system that's there. Not just for black agenda or victimization, it's for everything. That seems to be the way it works. And I think that's a great segue into number four because what we look at the problem why this is so impactful to black people is because you don't have a diversity that white America has of opinion. So we you have a Fox News counterbalancing CNN or MSNBC

19:06 You don't have a black version of Fox News counterbalancing what CNN and MSNBC pushes. So let's listen to number four. Problem number four, lack of diversity. Blacks repeatedly demand an honest dialogue or debate about race. But how can there ever be an honest dialogue about race between blacks and whites when there is virtually no honest dialogue between blacks and blacks? It's hypocritical. And if a black doesn't think whites are ultimately responsible for black people's problems, they're labeled a sellout, Uncle Tom, or race traitor.

19:42 As long as this type of groupthink exists, race reverence of the Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson type will continue to be celebrated while independent black thinkers such as Professors Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams will be shunned. The honest race dialogue and debate that first has to happen is not between blacks and whites, but between blacks and blacks. We demand diversity from others, but need to practice it ourselves where it really matters. In thought, opinion, and even political affiliation. Right. So this is what we talked about on the show before that Democrats, Black people vote majority democratically. So with that comes the progressive ideology that comes with it. And Republicans say, well, we're not going to get the Black vote. And they don't spend any time... Zero. They don't care.

20:38 Yeah, well not zero because we've seen in recent, like in the last election, Trump has paid more attention to the black community. Right, but we're talking about Republicans, not Trump. Fair point, fair point. So, you know, it's like it's the forgotten. And in the first problem he laid out that victimology is pushed in the church, correct? as one of the vehicles. So Reverend Jasper William Jr. was at the Aretha Franklin funeral, and he laid out some of the issues plaguing the black society. 70% of our household are led by our precious, proud, fine black women. But as proud, beautiful, and fine as our black women are,

21:37 One thing a black woman cannot do, a black woman cannot raise a black boy to be a man. When the police kills one of us, we're ready to protest, march, destroy innocent property. We're ready to loot, steal, whatever we want. But when we kill 100 of us, Nobody says anything. And whenever you take a foreign object and you put it into the womb before that baby is born, that's abortion before birth. And when that home is not like it ought to be, the father's not doing his part, the mother not doing her part, and the child has deficits. That's abortion after birth. In my experience, my observation, these are all pretty much conservative talking points.

22:43 Correct, but he's not a conservative person. But this is something that whenever someone says, oh, white cops kill black people more often than it's all you often hear. Well, there was 50 shootings in Chicago this weekend. We didn't hear about that. As usual, Adam, you're getting ahead, sir. I'm sorry. No, no, no, it's good that you brought that up because yes, that's the reason. But I need to do my Becky voice when I do that. That's the reflective thing and it's harmful to the argument that people try to make. But as you, he laid out all of the progressive ideologies that come with the Democratic Party. And when he did that,

23:29 Of course he was met with pushback and came under fire. Black America has lost its soul. Two days after the Queen of Soul is laid to rest, the Atlanta pastor who delivered her eulogy is now coming under fire for remarks made about the black community during that service. Our Christy Etheridge is joining us now from the newsroom. And Christy, we understand that Reverend Jasper Williams is expected to address the media about these comments that got so many people talking. A lot of people talking, Jennifer, but it doesn't seem to be an apology he's planning. He says he plans to quote, steadfastly, eloquently and unapologetically apologetically explain the biblical perspective he shared in that eulogy. Jasper Williams is pastor emeritus at Salem Bible church here in Atlanta. Aretha Franklin asked him specifically to speak at her funeral, but when he did, some are calling the comments he made demeaning to black people. He said that black America had lost its soul. He also criticized black on black crime and said single mothers are incapable of raising sons by themselves. Okay. So we have a Reverend here, uh, that,

24:33 Preaches the Bible and in the Bible, you know, it says no sex outside of marriage, which means you need to have two parents raising the child. I mean that would be, you know, like understandable. Thou should not kill. He brings up black on black crime and you know, all the other things that go along with the Christian faith and he comes under fire for it. What is he thinking? Right? So that goes to show you and This goes into what you were saying. It goes on Twitter, this clip went on Twitter, it became viral, and then it bleeds over into the national news. Yeah, exactly. So this clip illustrates how that works. Now, black people as a whole agree with what Reverend Jasper Williams is saying,

25:28 But the outrage machine keeps the majority of black people quiet. Yeah, because you don't want to get caught up in the machine. It can rip you apart. Right, because once you step out there and seen as something that's not accepted by the black community, then you're shunned. You're called all kinds of names, as the guy laid out in when he illustrated problem number four. You get isolated. So you have to remain quiet. Can I ask you something Moe? How real is this when it comes to new media? As an example, you've been doing a lot of YouTube videos, you're doing this show. Do you get called names for it? I have. But

26:19 They don't affect me because I know what my cause is and it's to bring and I want to make clear what my cause is. My cause is pro-truth. What I try to do and I think it's similar to what you try to do is to make people understand how they're being manipulated. Played, played, played. If you can understand how the mechanism works that's playing you, then you can defuse it and it no longer is rendered effective on you. Which so often comes down to listening carefully because words matter. Correct. And understand like we just illustrated here. You have a group like Black Lives Matter and other progressive groups that have bots

27:03 That can take a viral video, whether it's pro or con of it and paint it in a good light or a negative light. It then bleeds over into the normal, into your feed. Once it gets into your feed and you see how it's being tilted one way, then it bleeds over into national news. and not to repeat myself, but that's how it works. And even if you're against it, a lot of people don't have courage to say they're against it. Well, and if you're against it, then you get the gang up. And that's, you know, now for me, that's second nature almost. I've been in the public eye since I was 19, actually earlier, if you take the pirate radio stuff into account, but it's not always easy to be called all kinds of names and spat on on Twitter, even though it's Twitter,

27:53 you know, we saw this progression. There was bullying and then it's social justice and you know, it doesn't matter. And now it's just you rip someone apart and it's not easy for people who just want to stand up and say something. It's challenging. And then you have the council culture. That was the next point. Yes, exactly. Right. So that's one of the things that we see, especially for black people with high visibility. And I think that's what Jay-Z went through. teetering on the council culture. Now he has enough equity in the black community where he won't be outright counseled, but a good friend of mine and me were having a conversation and I asked was this Jay-Z's Bill Cosby pull up your pants moment. The reason why I asked that is Bill Cosby being taken down, let's be clear, Bill Cosby did things that were wrong and that's not even an argument that needs to be discussed.

28:56 But where we see it as when he told people, pull up your pants and be respectable. A good segment of black society, you're not supposed to say that to us. And when he did that, he lost a lot of support in the black community. Whereas with R. Kelly, he'd done even more despicable things and have physical evidence of it. But he didn't tell you to pull up your pants now, did he? Right. So you see the difference. Yeah. So what I'm saying about Jay-Z is this moment... By the way, I'm sorry to interrupt, Mo. No problem. When Bill Cosby said that, and we're talking Do you remember what year that was? I think it was mid-90s, I want to say. That's what I thought. I was probably... I don't know if I was still on MTV, but I was probably doing my radio show, but I was in popular culture. And to be honest, I remember white people going, yeah, hell yeah! Tell them to pull up their pants. I hate that look. So it was actually bad on both sides.

29:59 And my dad, he was like, he wasn't going for it. Your pants go around your waist. What's wrong with you, boy? You know what I'm saying? So he said nothing wrong. It's the fact that if you say something... Except for those young guys, those crisscross jump around. I don't mind if they wear their pants backwards. That's fine. That wasn't... And you know what? The funny story is I tried that. I was 12, maybe 12, 13 years old when jump around came out. It was the weirdest thing, man. And my dad caught me going down the steps. He's like, what in the... So I'm facing... So my back's to him, but my clothes is facing him.

30:47 Uh-huh. So yeah, and that didn't go over too well, did it? He's like, if you don't get your ass back in here looking crazy, that just goes to show the respectability is there, but now you can't say it. Yes. So just to get back on track, we have a popular ESPN host, Stephen A. Smith, and he came out about black people voting for the GOP. Stephen A. said that every black person in America should vote Republican for at least one election. Stephen A. Smith is joining me now. Stephen, who are you trying to send a message to? Republicans, Democrats, African Americans, all of the above?

31:29 I'd go with all of the above. That sounds about right, but specifically the Democratic Party from the standpoint that I definitely believe that the black vote has been taken for granted and primarily the black community is at fault in my estimation in that regard simply because on one hand we're giving one party our vote because they've successfully gone about the business of convincing our community that the other party, the Republican Party, is completely against the interest of the black community. And as a result, we've been very transparent in our support. We've boarded hook, line, and sinker. We look at the Republican Party, I'm not talking about every single one of us, of course, but vast majority of black Americans look at the Republican Party as the enemy. We look at the Democratic Party, even tacitly, as our support base. And as a result, we are very transparent in our support for them. So because of it, they have a license to take us for granted.

32:21 The Republican Party has a license to summarily dismiss us because they believe they'll never get our vote anyway. And then we end up finding ourselves devoid of any kind of representation whatsoever because nobody is really competing to garner our vote and our support. When Steven A. Smith came out and said this, oh my. I bet shit hit the fan. He was called every kind of name listed before and one not listed by the gentleman that laid out problem number four and that is the C word. That is Coon. C-O-O-N. And just let people know a black man calling another black man Coon is the equivalent of a white man calling a black man a nigger. Good to know.

33:09 It holds that way and I've seen this weird thing where white liberals are allowed to call black people coons. And I'm like, what? Yes, on social media you will see this if you see somebody step out. Say for instance like a Candace Owens or some... Kanye! Yes! I saw many people, even white people are calling him Kanye. Kanye is, we know, we've agreed, he's bulletproof so not the best example. It doesn't matter what you call him, he can do anything he wants.

33:44 But what I'm saying is they were given the license Wow white liberals were given a license to call Kanye Kuhn now who was who was in charge of the licensing department for this It's a loosely based organization Got it. All right I'd like to attend a meeting. I'd like to learn more right um Yeah, I could talk to you on some back terms about that, sir. But I get it. I get the issue. Yeah, it's not the thing you say. Right. So with Steve, but it's acceptable. And we have to go back.

34:23 Liberal ideologies come down for people like George Soros that fund groups like Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter attack people that have a diversity of thought. So it's really you doing the bidding of a white man like George Soros. So this is a weird thing in the name of blackness. I don't understand it. I mean, my mind can't wrap around it. But yeah, and Stephen A. Smith has done a complete, even though he was valid in what he said about voting GOP to send a message to Democrats. And it's actually similar to my message to telling people not to vote or vote against Democrats, to send a message to let them know about our political maturing process.

35:04 He received so much blowback that he attacked Colin Kaepernick when Colin Kaepernick refused to vote. Well now if Colin Kaepernick was to vote, he only had one choice. Right. Is it culture? Now I agree that most black people vote for the Democratic Party. Are they politically active in general? And of course we're generalizing. That they also register Democrat and vote in primaries? No, they don't want you to vote in a prime. I mean, they don't really want you voting in primaries. That way the party can get the vote, the candidate in there they won't. And we're seeing this, we've seen this before. It's all in the keyword and it's a meme and I've called it two, three, four times.

35:51 activate. You only activate when we activate you. Oh my goodness yes that that is exactly the word sure we've been in every episode almost. Right so you lay dormant, you left pick the candidate and then once his time goes to generals we activate you. Oh what is wrong with you people? Right is that what is wrong? So To bring a conservative tilt to what the gentleman said, Taleb said, he brought up a name, Thomas Sowell. Yes. And let's just see about his facts and fallacies. Race wasn't the basis of slavery? Oh, it's a simple historical matter. Slavery existed for thousands of years as far back as there are any records of human beings.

36:38 Archaeological finds suggest that slavery existed before human beings could read and write. what race, a racial difference between the slaves and the enslavers that is a relatively new phenomenon you didn't have in ancient times the ability to go to another continent and move millions of people of a different race across the ocean so you enslaved the people who were nearby the Europeans enslaved Slavs for centuries before they brought the first black African to the Western Hemisphere okay but so you're not suggesting

37:17 You do not wish to say anything other than that slavery as practiced in the United States was, it may have been recent, but you'd be willing to grant that it was particularly perverse and destructive because race got mixed into it at that point, right? Race got mixed into it in the United States more than anywhere else for a very simple reason. The United States was founded, as the Declaration said, of the independence said men are, all men are created equal. If that's true, then the only way you can justify slavery is to say that some men are less than men.

37:54 All right. So that's the, uh, uh, Tomer Sowell. And he made some great, uh, some valid points about slavery existing before American slavery and it being, uh, interracial, interracial. But it was the hypocrisy of the constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Right. But when you say that, and this is, like I said, it's not how it's said, but how it's received. Because I'm gonna be honest with you, I have this racial gag reflex as well. It's a natural thing growing up as a black man in America. When you hear certain things that you've learned all your life and you hear it, you actually gag to it because when you hear things say, oh, American racism wasn't really racially based. What? I mean, that discredits everything you said before that.

38:48 Now, is his points nuanced? Yes, they are. But I'm just telling you why. I'm trying to explain to people why conservative talking points fall deaf on black ears. This is what I'm trying to illustrate here. That's why I illustrate with the Larry Elders clip. I'm illustrating here with the Thomas Sowell clip. He said a lot of facts in there. But when you implant that one, it's like the, uh, what, the pee in the mattress? Yeah. Uh, it makes it very uncomfortable to take what you're saying as valid when you say things like American slavery was not racially based. Well, then why is he saying this? And he's well respected. Here's the thing. Are they equally, um,

39:46 Trying to persuade people the same way that people on the left are well. That's that's the that's the idea you get when you hear this little You know this little embedded nugget that is clearly meant to plant something in your mind Yeah, what else can I conclude right you trying to make and here's this is how inside baseball When black people hear this, what it sounds like is you're trying to absolve white people of the racist actions that happened in America in its past. I can see how that would be interpreted that way, of course. So when you do that, you lose all credibility. Even you have facts, you have numbers, you have stats, you know what I'm saying? Charts and everything.

40:30 But when you plant that little nugget in there, and I don't know if he's doing it on his own or it's like, hey, you know, kind of takes him the pressure off of us. I don't know. Well, it's also a that. you know, the fact that they were white slaves, that the first slave owner was black, you know, these are all talking points that are used in counter arguments, and in fact actual counter arguments about, oh how would we do reparations because dot dot dot, implying it was not a racial issue. Right, but it did have racial

41:12 aspects to it. Of course. Especially American slavery, let's be clear, and especially American slavery under, because it existed before America existed on this continent, but under when you, and it's the hypocrisy, even he laid it out, it's the hypocrisy when you say all men are created equal, but this certain group Is counted as three-fifths and we know where that origin of that number comes from. They're treated differently and like I said before, in interracial slavery, if I was able to buy my freedom, you couldn't tell that I was a slave anymore. With American slavery, even though if I was able to buy my freedom,

42:00 My skin makes me still a slave in people's mind. So I think that's the difference and when they say it all about the slobs and that kind of thing, it's totally different. Totally different. So let's just keep moving and I want to show even in television, Diversity of thought is not allowed because we have to keep these stereotypical Ideas going and what we're gonna who we're gonna hear from now is James Amos That was the father on the popular show good times the differences we had on that show and we had a number of differences as evidenced by my early departure from the show and

42:43 was I felt that with two other younger children, one of whom who aspired to become a Supreme Court Justice, that would be Ralph Carter or Michael, and the other, Bernadette Stennis, I think, she aspired to become a surgeon. And the differences I had with the producers of the show was that I felt too much emphasis was being put on J.J. and his chicken hat and saying dynamite every third page. when just as much emphasis and mileage could have been gotten out of my other two children and the concomitant jokes and, you know, humor that could have come out of that. But I wasn't the most diplomatic guy, like I said, in those days, and they got tired of having their lives threatened over jokes. So they said, I'll tell you what, why don't we kill him off and we'll get on with our, we'll all get on with our lives. Life's too short. So that taught me a lesson.

43:37 that I wasn't as important as I thought I was to the show or to Norman Lear's plans. And he was not about to have a disruptive factor. That was me, a disruptive factor. Okay, I caught that one. I know what that's about. What did you catch, Adam? Uh, Norman Lear is what I caught. That's a familiar name to me. And for the non-no agenda listeners, who is Norman Lear? Norman Lear was the producer of All in the Family. I want to say the Jeffersons and it was he also the producer of good times. I didn't know that yes wouldn't surprise me I believe Norman Lear still alive. He certainly his work is still alive as for years He has run something called the Hollywood Health and Society. I think it's called foundation and

44:31 And they provide script help. I think it started with medical dramas. That's kind of how they got into the business. And they would hire doctors to then consult on, you know, what's the Clooney thing? Whatever that series was that he started in. But yeah, medical drama. But really social justice issues, writing scripts. They've done a lot of work on popular shows now like modern family and they slip in climate change stuff and to me it's very obvious and they put a lot of very active things in that are actual news at the time and they're very deeply entrenched in Hollywood and they do this work unquestioned and they're seen as the experts on almost everything. So you can't, it's like hiring IBM. You can't go wrong if you bring in the Hollywood Health and Society Lear Foundation, it's all good.

45:27 Is this where I'll share a little bit of how they talk? Yes, please. This is Martin Kaplan of the Hollywood Health and Society. It's a multi-part talk that he gave, but this is the boasting about how much involvement they have in Hollywood scripts. So in the course of our work, this is in the two years 11 to 13 335 storylines that we worked on Have been aired we've worked with 35 networks in the past four years 91 different television shows and this clip is I want to say five years old at least maybe even older and

46:10 So you night now you see the impact even pre the Lear foundation of them shaping Ideas of how black people are to be perceived So and just a background on the good time show it was about a mother a father and three children You had JJ. He was aspiring artist and and basically a class clown. Then you had the second child, which is Thelma, I believe her name was, and she was a spire surgeon and dancer. And then you had the youngest child who wanted to be the next Thurgood Marshall. That was his thing. But

46:53 with the show it was like John Amos said it was all about dynamite. You know so. Do it again, do it again. Dynamite. So John Amos would actually threaten these people lives and he says because of the bull crap They tried to push through the show. And eventually what happened was he was fired off of a successful show. If you listen to the clip, it goes on, he tells us, and I just want to paraphrase. He was fired because he was upsetting the apple cart. And what they did then was just make the show about doom and gloom. I mean, which it was, it was based in the projects of Chicago, right? I mean, so, but it was about,

47:42 Scratching and surviving if you say if you if you didn't know the theme song so um Yeah, so what they did was kill they killed off the black man Yes, well, I mean don't we see a common theme here yes, and then they and then they let the shenanigans go yeah Just fly loose. So I mean, I just want to show you that even in television they shape certain narrative there's no balance there's no and even when you have a strong person like John Amos trying to push balance from within they'll get rid of you. And also the the flow of an organization like the Lear Hollywood Health and Society Foundation is you know there's a lot of people who who consult and they flow in and they're in production companies and then down the road they're running stuff and and that's one of the many ways Hollywood has

48:39 historically received its left-leaning ideology. Right, and that's exactly correct. And like I said, it's just there is no diversity and... It's all controlled. It's all controlled one way or the other. Right, and it's controlled from the very top. And the very top as we've tried to repeatedly, and I know maybe people get tired of me saying this, but on the left, it is generated from white people. Yep. Even when you go back to the NAACP, that was started by majority white people. Almost all white people except for W.E.B. Du Bois. And he was really, let me see his role. Not to belabor the point, but I just want to show you what, this was their original founders and roles they played. You had national president of the NAACP. You had a more field story, white guy.

49:41 Chairman of Executive Committee, William English Wallings, white guy. Treasurer John E. Milholland, white guy. Dispersing Treasurer, Oswald Garrison Villert, white guy. Executive Secretary Francis Blascore, white guy. And then you have Director of Publicity and Research, W.E.B. Du Bois, which was a mulatto. Well, you know, what you're implying here is that there has always been white control over, and it's of course likely true just looking at the numbers, over black culture and certainly in television, movie, entertainment. Do you think that as then, today,

50:38 they have inherent purposeful racist ideas or do you think that these people are trying to do well and are completely missing the mark? I think they have elitist ideas and when you have a group such as black people who started out, I mean, I guess we need to accept the fact that slavery has had an impact on black people as being uh, not a good start, not a good start. Right, right, right. And it's a good, it's a good meme of that, uh, and you have the guy, white guys, it's like a race. You have the white guys taking off running and the black people are held back at the starting line. And then like, it's like, then they let the black people go. I mean, the black runner go. So that's what illustrated. And then you factor in, uh,

51:27 All the things we laid out before, such as Jim Crow. And then you have policies like no man in the house and welfare and these kind of things that just made it worse. Where are all these policies coming from? Black people know, I think it's disingenuous to say black people create their own problems. Yes, on the very bottom level, but we have to go up the ladder and see where they're instituted it. I think that kind of works us into problem number three. Problem number three, urban terrorism. As just about everyone knows, but too few talk about publicly, in majority black cities, violent black-on-black crime is rampant.

50:38 they have inherent purposeful racist ideas or do you think that these people are trying to do well and are completely missing the mark? I think they have elitist ideas and when you have a group such as black people who started out, I mean, I guess we need to accept the fact that slavery has had an impact on black people as being uh, not a good start, not a good start. Right, right, right. And it's a good, it's a good meme of that, uh, and you have the guy, white guys, it's like a race. You have the white guys taking off running and the black people are held back at the starting line. And then like, it's like, then they let the black people go. I mean, the black runner go. So that's what illustrated. And then you factor in, uh,

51:27 All the things we laid out before, such as Jim Crow. And then you have policies like no man in the house and welfare and these kind of things that just made it worse. Where are all these policies coming from? Black people know, I think it's disingenuous to say black people create their own problems. Yes, on the very bottom level, but we have to go up the ladder and see where they're instituted it. I think that kind of works us into problem number three. Problem number three, urban terrorism. As just about everyone knows, but too few talk about publicly, in majority black cities, violent black-on-black crime is rampant.

52:11 A Department of Justice study from 1980 through 2008 revealed that Blacks accounted for almost half of the nation's homicide victims, 47.4%, and more than half of the offenders, 52.4%, all while being 13% of America's population. The Tuskegee Institute conducted a study of all known lynchings of Blacks that occurred between 1882 through 1968. During this 86-year span, which is essentially the post-Civil War era up to the Civil Rights era, 3,446 Blacks were reportedly lynched. Presently, Black-on-Black murder eclipses the number of Blacks lynched over the course of 80 years, roughly every six months. Unbelievably, the culpability for this disproportionate amount of mayhem actually lies with the menacing 2% to 3% minority within the Black populace. I call them urban terrorists.

53:07 And since they literally spawned from problem number two, the black community protects them. Yes, black on black crime is a thing, but if that's a thing then white on white crime needs to be a thing. But you never ever hear about like mass shootings described as white on white crime. No, no, that's Nazis. Right.

53:45 And with that said, even he illustrated that it's a very, very small minority of the black community participates in this criminality. But what it does is make seem that all black people participate in criminality. And even to black people that call themselves, whoa, I even had this argument. I was like, do you realize, let me just pull up some facts. I'm going by the NAACP criminal sheet. And it says, let's see, in 2014 African Americans constituted 2.3 million of the total 6.8 million correctional population. Now that is 34%, right? Which is, that's the problem.

54:37 That is the problem because if it's equally distributed, then you would have it more reflect that we are 13% of the population and then we should only represent 13% of the correctional population. So that is the problem, but the way they framed that number and numbers are important because you had to look at them in the proper context. Now there's 2.3 million people in prison, correct? This is from the NAACP. Now if I let me see black population, I think the black population in America is somewhere around 30 million. So when you do that number, that's less than 10%. Somewhere like 6%, but you would make it the way that Democrats

55:21 talk about how the impact of the criminal justice system affect black people, you would think your number would be around 30-40%. So you're letting 6% of the population control the policies that are important to black people? That doesn't sound logical. And on the other hand, as you said, the Republican talking points make it seem like all black people are criminals as well. Or the black on black crime and then they use the murder rate and these things, which is totally 13% of your population is black people half of that 6.5% shouldn't account for 50% of the murders. We totally understand that is way out of your sand distribution. We get that. But what this is where the conservatives have a problem. They don't want to look at the root causes of why.

56:23 And let's look at this is Ta-Nehisi Coates and he's speaking on enduring the myth of black criminality. In fact, there's a long history in this country of dealing with problems in the African American community through criminal justice system, criminalizing social problems in a way that we don't do in other communities. For instance, if you looked at the research, you would find that somewhere around 60 to 70% A lot of people in prisons and in jails are suffering some sort of mental health problem. I was a 50% going there dealing with some sort of chemical dependency. Viewed from another lens, these are public health problems. One could look at the massive number of African-American men who are out of work and the intersection between that and prison. Or one could look at where prisons are located. And you would find that a lot of times, prisons are located in rural regions where all other industries effectively shut down.

57:16 And you might think of that as actually an employment problem and not a criminal justice problem. The enduring view of African Americans in this country is as a race of people who are prone to criminality. Hmm. Again, it's all false equivalencies that lead to this. Yes. And the problem with it's when you have two ways you look at the same thing. When you see a mass shooter you're saying of the white variety male the republicans say it's a mental health issue you know it's uh you know which rightfully so these are saying these people do have problems but when you they talk about black on black crime yeah you never hear no it's not a mental health problem just evil right you said they're naturally that way i mean yeah yeah and it's then they don't say that but the absence of bringing up mental health issues and um

58:16 desperation and chemical dependency on drugs, even the way we look at the opioid addiction compared to the crack epidemic of the 80s, it's totally different. And we just saw this with the shooter in, where was he, the guy who was a Philadelphia. So first of all the news media is not that interested because, ah damn it's not a crappy ass white guy who's doing it so we can't pull the the Nazi white supremacist card. Right. And then not a single mention of mental health or anything like that. A guy who's spraying hundreds of bullets around killing all or hitting all kinds of people. I didn't hear it once. Not once and I'm just as guilty of that. You never hear it because

59:06 I think with mass shooters, you have a face. You have a name and you can really dig into the background of those people. I mean to that person. Well, that's a great point because the media does not do that. You don't know the name of the guy who shot up Philly. You don't know that. It was a black guy with a gun. What do you mean? Yeah. I'm sorry. Identified. Done. Right. That's how they look at it. You're right. I'm here to point out the inequality and the hypocrisy in how things are covered. Is that not what social justice warriors, because I just admitted to it, it's like I know I didn't think of it. I know I didn't think of it that way. I was thinking of other things like, oh, the media is not doing their job, but I didn't take it one more step further. So is this not what we define systemic racism?

1:00:04 Yes, this is a form of it and that's systemic racism is almost faceless. The same way elites are faceless. The real people that run this world and push these things down on us, we don't identify them. We identify their talking heads. But just to go and show you that it's not only a white person's problem that uses the black on black crime talking point. Let's listen to Larry Elder's on black on black crime. So-called activists saying this is the assumption that racism remains a major problem in America. The media, CNN, especially MSNBC, runs down whenever a black cop shoots somebody and it's some march on Washington. It's ridiculous.

1:00:53 Black people, half the homicides in this country are committed by and against black people. Last year there were 14,000 homicides, not talking about suicides, I'm talking about homicides. Half of them were black, 96% of them black on black of that 7,000. Where's the Black Lives Matter people on that? He's talking about police shooting black men, and then he pivots to the black on black crime argument. Which those are two totally separate things, but It's a natural tool of deflection. It's like, we don't wanna talk about that. And we do have a problem, like I said before, with the gentleman that was choked out, I can't breathe, with Philando Castile, who was shot on camera. He was a legal concealed carry. When was the NRA on that?

1:01:51 You think the NRA would have been all over that? To say we have a guy with a legal Castillo-Carrie shot by the police, killed on camera on Facebook Live. But no, there's no interest in that. And Larry Elders, I think, if I'm not mistaken, is pro-NRA. But he didn't take that angle. He said, well, black people will kill black people too. And a higher rate so it's just this weird thing that they just want to deflect and once again that makes their facts which are true and accurate null and void when talking to black people By the way, we also never discuss Mental health or medication when it comes to cops killing anybody well, we know why we don't never talk about medication

1:02:43 In general well because the news media is bought off paid for every commercial is big pharma So there's it's not gonna be a discussion. I'm sure you mean that correct and That's a good point. I've never heard a cop justify using Or it ever be an accusation like what was wrong with this guy? Did he wig out? Is he nuts? Is he on SSRIs? I mean you never think about it. Never. But I'd tell you one thing. I know a lot of cops. I grew up with cops in Jersey and firemen and they got problems. They got huge problems and specifically mental health problems from the shit they witness and see. It's you know sometimes you gotta wonder.

1:03:26 You're exactly correct. And when you said that I just had a, uh, this like it hit me. It hit me that I've never heard that argument. But I've seen on HBO, they had an old series where talking about cops and the stress they go through and the bull crap they see every day. So yeah, there will have to be a large percentage of cops dealing with mental health issues. That's I would have had to look into that. Well and I'll just give you something from recent times is just imagine you're a cop, you're in New York City and you go and

1:04:08 Trying as you perceive protect or serve the community and the community turns around is dumping buckets of water on you You're not allowed to do anything because your boss is an idiot whatever whatever the situation is to say that doesn't affect you is Very short-sighted it's got to affect a person like what I mean if someone's just yelling at you and doing shit And you can't do anything that's gonna affect your performance And that was the weird thing because due to the war on drugs, some of the most original people calling for heavy policing in the black community were black politicians and even the black people that lived in those neighborhoods, rightfully so. And the NRA saying black people, you need to arm yourselves.

1:04:53 Right, but we've seen this 180 of black people being anti-police because of the over-policing, because we've seen unfair laws, the crack cocaine to powder cocaine disparity, you know what I'm saying? widely known, but I don't know if it's well understood and there's some conspiracy issues to it that are that are annoying for the for the truth. But you know what happened and it's it's you know it's linked into Iran-Contra and all kinds of big government scams and schemes. How crack cocaine got on the streets of America is is a very uniquely American problem.

1:05:39 And that's a great segue into Gary Webb and his own words. My name is Gary Webb. I am an investigative journalist. I've been an investigative journalist for about 25 years for daily newspapers. And in 1996, I wrote a series of stories entitled Dark Alliance, which was about CIA involvement in drug trafficking. What my story showed was that The cocaine that was being sold in those neighborhoods was coming from mainly one source and this one source was being used to finance a guerrilla war in Central America.

1:06:25 The general idea of the CIA dealing drugs was something that the American mainstream press had never written about before. And that's why it prompted outrage among blacks, among drug reform activists, among politicians, by the CIA, by every federal agency involved in the drug war, because it showed they weren't doing their jobs, that it was a fraud. So as you brought up, Why don't conservatives ever discuss that? They act like that these kids have just gone crazy. They don't look at the source of how those drugs made it into those communities. And if they did, that would make a valid argument. And the funny thing is, even the Democrats don't discuss this.

1:07:16 now. And that very man Gary Webb who did the investigation wound up shooting himself twice in the head with a gun in his left hand. Right, two to the head. Yep. And if you go Google, I mean go look on YouTube, you'll find Maxine Waters in her early days trumpeting these claims. But now that she's become establishment, you haven't heard a peep out of her since. And do we really think that the, I think they've become more efficient and let the cartels run it. But at the end of the day, I think there's some kind of still government tied to drugs being brought into these communities. And I recommend the movie, is it American Gangster? Right. With Denzel. And that's based on the true story of how these drugs were smuggled in. It's a great movie.

1:08:11 Yes, it's a great movie and just to go back to this disparity of cynicism between crack cocaine and powder cocaine It was what was the 1986? Bill that it was a hundred to one ratio. Mm-hmm. So if you had a One gram of crack would be equal to 100 grams of powder cocaine. How do you come up with that? I Oh that calculation and the irony of it crack cocaine actually has less cocaine in it. That's more you know filler ammonia and what else is in there? Oh baking soda, baby laxatives. That's it baking soda and laxatives. Mm-hmm yeah. But you get a hundred and one

1:08:59 disparities. Now this is something that Obama tried to correct it during his administration. Oh yes he corrected the 2010 Pharisaics Act and let's see here oh he brought it down from 101 to 1801. Thank you Obama. Hey, better than nothing. I'm laughing Mo because I've been on this story for 25 years. I mean like what is going on with this? And no one ever really talks about it but I think it's look at the people who are still in Congress.

1:09:34 They were around when this scam took place. You know, you're in your 70s. You were knowledgeable. You were around. This is a huge scourge on American politics. From Iran-Contra all the way to the money being used from crack cocaine being sold on the streets of Los Angeles mainly. And just to show you, this is a television clip from a television show, but just to show you, it's a misconception that black people accept criminality. Now that has been forced on us

1:10:11 Through mass media entertainment and accepting of drug dealers as heroes. If you look at the show Rock that was on Fox, we'll see that wasn't the case in the early 90s. I got a nice little thing going across the street, you understand? And I don't need somebody like you messing things up with your little phone calls to the police and your stupid ass block parties. This ain't none of your damn business, man. You understand? I'm trying to get paid, you understand? And I don't need you butting into my affairs. I thought this was a nice neighborhood, man. Yeah, it was a nice neighborhood. It's always been a nice neighborhood. Yeah, well, I hear what you're saying, brother. But I'm a businessman, you know what I mean? You're a businessman? That's right. Is that what you call yourself? You ain't no businessman. You're a murderer. And you're killing your own people. Now, you may have done your killing someplace else, but it ain't happening here. I don't think I made myself clear.

1:11:13 I don't want your drugs. I don't want your money. I want your sorry ass out of my house and off my street. You understand? Okay, but now you gotta stop this now. Stay out of this, Ellen. I don't think you wanna do this, G. Oh yeah, I've been wanting to do this ever since you moved. No, I don't think you wanna find one of these loved ones of yours in one of those garbage cans you picked. If you ever so much as look in that direction, I'll run down on you and I'll break your back. Don't hurt him. I'm not crazy. You don't know how crazy I am. So that goes to show you that black people, especially black men, weren't okay with what was going on in their communities. You may be a little bit too young, but Starsky and Hutch,

1:11:57 Do you remember Starsky and Hutch? Uh, no. I remember the movie they made but not the television show. Well, Starsky and Hutch were two cops and they had this hot shit Ford which looked like a moron was driving it, but okay. Back then, hot shit, and they were cops and they had an informant and his name was Huggy Bear. Yeah, I remember Huggy. And Huggy Bear was a pimp! you know, criminal, but he was the okay kind or something like that. So this has been around. It was definitely like, oh, he's just got the colorful hats and he's got the pimp clothing. So, you know, it's just, it's Huggy Bear, you know, he's cool. Yeah, so that just going to show you that somewhere along the line, there was this weird pivot of being anti-drug to where popular culture and entertainment is now pro-drug and pro-drug dealer.

1:12:49 And let's just see how we got there. Broken homes lead to the streets. But not many live around here. Still, not every girl in the inner city ends up a teenage mother. Not every young man goes into crime. There are people who have stayed here to fight for these kids. They're outnumbered by the con artists and pushers. It's not an even match. But they stand for morality and authority and give some of these kids a bracing dose of unsentimental love.

1:13:34 When their own fathers are missing, kids need someone else to stand in, to practice damage control as the street take over. For these kids, that someone is Detective Shahid Jackson of the Newark Police. He came by his streets march, the hard way. Well, I came up out of the streets, so I know how to get around a lot of that stuff. And I guess the older you get, the more you learn. I was fortunate enough coming up that I never got caught. And I grew out of the streets, but yet I still have some of the street in me. There was a time when he wasn't sure he would make it off those streets. He was an unmarried father at 18 and he had his share of troubles, but he was raised by two parents. His father was a Baptist minister and they pushed him to make something of himself on Sunday morning on my block. You will see each family almost coming out, going to church. You know, you don't see that anymore. The family unity. Hmm. Let me tell you how that came across to me was, Oh, you separated from the church and that's the problem that that is one of the problems.

1:14:42 The reason why I say that, it was a structured place to receive morality. So that was the function of the church. But what he really showed is that when you have a two-parent household, even though he was introduced to the streets, He was steered away from it because you have that structure there. And let's go into part two of this clip. What have you learned about these kids? That they need somebody to love them. They identify with us because we don't take any crap.

1:15:27 You know, you come in here, you gotta be disciplined, you gotta, you know, follow the rules and regulations. Because when they go out here and deal with life, they're gonna have to follow rules and regulations in life. Self-control and self-esteem, far more important than a good left hook. That's his message to kids like Bernard Wardrick. He's been coaching Bernard for the past four years. It's like a big brother-father image with me and Bernard. There's been times when he's gotten me mad and I've spanked him. You know and his mother knows I was spanked and he knows I was spanked him. And sometimes that's what a kid needs to know. Freedom is a lot of times destruction. The more freedom a man has a lot of times he'll just self-destruct. So I try to, you know, keep him in a little cage. Keep him in my arms.

1:16:14 Somebody has to say no. Yeah, somebody has to say no you cannot do this a lot of these kids grew up with nobody saying no right? Do you think it's important for them to have men around? Yeah? I think you know you have a One parent family and it's a mother she cannot teach all of the things that a man could teach his son There's no way so where do they learn the routine techniques of just daily work and living? They don't unless they get it from their parents. They'll get it from the streets. Yeah. This is the gang culture issue Right, so that, it's not exclusive to black America. No, because we see the same thing with child soldiers in Africa. Yeah. We see the same thing in the Middle East with the rise of radical Islamic terrorism. They look for fatherless, often orphaned children. MS-13 is another example.

1:17:10 MS-13 is another great example. So what they look for is kids without any family structure, you create that family structure and then you turn around and exploit them. So as the Talib laid out number three, he said number three was contributed to by number two. Problem number two, proliferation of baby mamas. The disintegration of the nuclear family has led to an astronomical increase of single-mother households. According to the Moynihan Report, in 1965, nearly 25% of black children were born to unwed mothers. The report's author, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, said this was a disaster in the making. He was, of course, vilified by so-called black leaders and their progressive allies.

1:18:03 But he was right. Today, the out-of-wedlock birth rate is nearly 75% and even higher in some urban areas. To be clear, baby daddies share this responsibility with baby mamas. Yet, while baby daddies are blamed and rarely shown compassion, baby mamas are rarely blamed and receive both compassion and support. This lopsided dynamic and the previously listed pathology stem directly from the number one problem facing the black community. Now this, which he calls problem number two, is one of my, has a lot of interest for me because this is so embedded now in popular culture. The concept of a baby daddy, baby mama is universally accepted. Yeah. If you look at the trends of single parent households,

1:18:51 Not only did it increase from the original clips I presented were from 1986 special. From that point to now, single parent households have skyrocketed in every community. Yes, sir. So it's except and the question is, does this come from liberal liberal, progressive policies and ideology. Is that where it stems from? Where, you know, before in the 1950s, even in black communities and white communities, you had to have a father, mother and children. Now we have this thing, you know, where it's, you can't even question anybody. Now people can do what they want to. That's not what I'm here for. But we have to see the impact of

1:19:48 children being insecure when they don't have both family in the household and in the black community those children are open up to predatory influences as we mentioned that are not exclusive to the black community but it is there. Yeah so this is you're right it's a universal issue and this is the way the world has changed and now whether you can pin that on liberal progressive ideas or not I used to attend church regularly when I was a kid. I don't anymore. You know, dabble here and there. But I'm a lot older. I come with things rammed into me from early on. That's clearly not the case anymore.

1:20:33 And I'm not saying exclusively from church, but when we look at television, what's accepted on broadcast television, not shows like HBO and those things. Well, Mo, when you can have people with male genitalia competing at contest level with a different gender, there's all kinds of issues going on with this. I totally agree. But let's just look at the effects of welfare. And society has made living for the women without the husband or without the man easy. Yeah, welfare. I think welfare is not the best thing for everybody. Tell me why.

1:21:18 Because it provides you with some kind of income that you sooner or later just settle for. I know I was on welfare. I've been on welfare. Are you suggesting that we do away with welfare? No. I'm saying it has to be upgraded. For instance, I have some young people here that are on welfare, okay, but would like to work. But they can't work and make a coin because everything you make is taken away from your check. Can you push the solution even further back? Is there any way to stop the cycle of teenage pregnancies? That's so difficult to even talk about. In my heart, I think I have a solution and I know now.

1:21:57 It may rub people the wrong way. But I believe that teenage pregnancy cannot be stopped by programs. It has to be morals, and morals come from God. And somewhere along the line, the black family kind of strayed away from that, and I believe we need it. You say the moral values have changed. Oh yes, it's morally acceptable to have babies. It was not morally acceptable years ago. That's hurting the black family. What I hear you saying is that even though racism may have brought about these circumstances, even though society may have created conditions that are terrible, you're saying you have to be responsible. You have to practice discipline and self-restraint. That's right. We are destroying ourselves.

1:22:37 Now it might have been motivated and plotted and seeded with racism, but we're content to be in this well now, okay? We're just content to be in this mud and we need to get out of it. So I thought this clip was so powerful because this was coming from a person that was on welfare, a black woman that lived in the community. And that was her perspective that, the lack of morality. And I'm not pushing religion, that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about morality. Wherever you may find that at, more power to you. But we have to see that these things have been deleterious to the black community. I can't really add any more than what she said in her clip because it was so powerful. But let's listen to Effects of Welfare 2.

1:23:37 I don't like welfare because it makes me lazy. It does? Yeah, it makes you lazy just to sit around and wait for a monthly check to come in. You know, I just like the work. I like money coming every week or every two weeks. So I want to dispel this myth that a lot of people that receive welfare don't like to work. The system is set up for you not to work. If I was to receive a check of the same amount as working at McDonald's or sitting at home, which one would I choose? Why don't we, and this is my personal view, why don't we reward people that go out and maybe work minimum wage and supplement their income instead of rewarding people that stay at home and do nothing?

1:24:36 You understand what I'm coming from? Well, yes. Now I grew up in a socialist country. I grew up in the Netherlands. I've also lived in Belgium and I've lived in the United Kingdom. All socialist policies and I've seen the effects of a, well you can call them welfare programs. In fact a lot of people today say, hey we're already socialists, we have welfare. Well what I saw was one step further in these so-called evolved socialist countries where your welfare check or your social support check is typically 70% of your last paycheck earned. So imagine if you're doing making a hundred grand and then you go on welfare you're making 70 which also puts a huge burden on the employers that's a different issue.

1:25:26 But what happens is you get this, you actually get a lazy culture where people, and I'm just talking about the Netherlands because I witnessed this, will have something, years ago, I'm talking 15 years ago, oh I have a burnout. They didn't call it a burnout, that later got popularized, in Dutch they call it a burnout, in English they use that word. Burnout, okay, well I have to go home now for three months, that's kind of the standard burnout. And then they'd be like, yeah, I'm hanging around, I'm kind of bored, I'll go lug some bricks around for my buddy, I got a trailer, I can do some yard work. Then the neighbor sees that and like, wait a minute, that guy's supposed to be home with a burnout or his back is out, now he's doing all this other stuff. It creates incredible strife in all communities. But what you say is in effect true. It's like, hey, why don't you go sit home and take care of yourself? You're burned out.

1:26:20 and people take advantage of it and they I think inherently become not necessarily lazy about the work but wait a minute I can make this money and I can get some additional under the table money I mean at the end of the day everyone's all for themselves and so this is not a uniquely black uniquely American program welfare does seem to have this effect. And I want to make two points and then we can go into number one. One is we've seen One, the first point is this is what troubles me with the UBI, the universal basic income. It's totally what UBI is all about. It's luring people under the same pretense. Right. That's very troubling because I always bring up the point of is when a person loses purpose to get up, get dressed, go to work, you know, and function in society, that's a very slippery slope.

1:27:17 to becoming a non-value adding factor in society. And a substance abuser that usually comes along with that. Free time because you have to find a way to escape your reality. And that's when it... Exactly. So don't... With those things you laid out, now you see this perfect storm. You have mothers at home that's really forced to be at home because if they go to work, they lose their check. They have a system that said they can't have a man in the house. And then you take, they have children that they can't control by themselves because it takes two parents to raise a household. Now what that two parents consist of is your choice, not mine. But I think if children wear you down, it takes

1:28:06 It takes two children, you know what I'm saying, two parents to raise a child because it's just a child is a full-time job. And the resource-sucking scourge that just hangs on to you. Yes, you need to share that burden. Right, that's very true. And then you take that so you have a woman isolated, no man, no job, and then you pump in tons and tons of cocaine and drugs into the community. And... What could possibly go wrong? And we've seen this now, when we saw in the 80s, it was black people's problem. But when you have the same set of circumstances with opioids and mass, rural white communities, it's a health crisis. And this is what, when people don't look at that the same way, when

1:28:58 Conservatives don't look at that as in the same light. That's when they lose traction with their talking point. Also shaped by decades of movies and television and popular entertainment, it is embedded into our minds, Mo. Yes, yes. So, and then last point, and then we can get into number one. We've already seen universal basic income rolled out in the pilot plan called disability. Because if you go to the right lawyer, you can get disability for anything in America. That's probably true. I don't know. Is this number one? No, but I'm just I'm bringing that up. But just yeah, look at the commercials call here. You know saying you want disability, you don't call here. Like you said, it's a burnout. I know I'm just mental fatigue and my back tweak, you know, and you get there. But let's just go into number one.

1:29:56 Problem number one, unquestioning allegiance to so-called progressive policies. Unwavering loyalty to progressive liberal policies is the primary reason these dire conditions persist. It both makes them possible and perpetuates them. It's no coincidence that progressivism is the common thread that binds predominantly black cities where single-parent homes, failing schools, rampant poverty, and crime predominate. Look at cities like Detroit, Philadelphia, and Baltimore. They've been run by progressive Democrats for decades. If their liberal policies were at all effective, these cities should have become models of economic growth and prosperity. Instead, they're models of dysfunction. By fostering and exploiting the victim mentality, discouraging self-examination, subsidizing baby mamas, and making excuses for black thugs, so-called progressive policies don't alleviate the problems that afflict the black community, they aggravate those problems.

1:30:54 Well, it's a big claim and it's one that's believed universally amongst groups for sure. Right, so I think number one is kind of umbrellas five through two. So we don't really need to harp on it that much. But if I'm seeing white conservatives use Malcolm X talking points to combat white liberals. Really? Yes. And one of the memes I've seen is Malcolm X white liberals. White liberals who have posed as our friends. White liberals who have been eager to point out what the white men in the South have been doing to us, while they themselves here in the North are doing the same thing. They have been making a great fuss over the South only to blind us to what is happening here in the North.

1:31:49 And now that the eyes of America's 20 million blacks can easily see that this white fox here in the north is even more cruel and vicious than the white wolf in the south. The southern wolves always let you know where you stand, but these northern foxes They pose as white liberals. They pose as your friend. They pose as your benefactor. They pose as your employer. They pose as your landlord. They pose as the neighborhood merchant. They pose as your lawyer trying to help you. They infiltrate all your organizations and in this manner, by joining you, they strangle your militant efforts toward freedom, toward justice, and toward equality.

1:32:37 They use integration for infiltration Yes, Malcolm X very complex Topic not well understood today very complex topic But he made one point in there and I just wanted to highlight and I think the white conservatives use it to highlight that the white liberals infiltrate black movement. And I think we laid that out here with the NAACP with Black Lives Matter and it continues, it just continues over and over again. But also a problem one, Talib laid out the effects of cities like Baltimore and how progressive ideologies were so beneficial to black people as a whole. Why are the black people living in the conditions they are in Baltimore?

1:33:33 I'm glad that he pointed out. I'm glad that he put him on blast because people in West Baltimore have been putting Elijah Cumming on him on blast for years, ever since he's been in office. He never did anything for us, like I said. If he's supposed to be from this neighborhood, like I said, supposed to be, the rats just didn't come. These houses just didn't get to him. They've been like this. If he would take the time out to come over here and see how things are, maybe he'd be better at his job. Thank you. Yeah, put him on blast lady. I liked her a lot. I've seen her. Right. So she's, for people not familiar, she's talking about Donald Trump's, uh, comments about ratting rat infested Baltimore. Uh,

1:34:18 concerning Elijah Cummings. Let's listen to Citizen Two speak. Meanwhile, they're worried about the kids at the border. But this is how actual American citizens got to live and deal with. I wonder how the message can like, like, it's gotta be broken. Yeah, man, now tell me, me living in this house with all this, tell me I didn't have rats and roaches. He told me I was lying. So they bring up a good point that Talib didn't even bring up. And it's strangely that he didn't. And it's, why did he bring up illegal immigration? That seems like low hanging fruit.

1:35:03 We're being joined now by Mr. Ted Hayes. He's a civil rights activist. Thank you for being with us, Mr. Hayes. So can I ask you about this? Do you agree or disagree with the poll? Do you think, do African Americans think that illegal immigrants take jobs away from them? Absolutely. I don't know where this other person is getting their information from, but I'm on the ground out here in Los Angeles. We call LA occupied Los Angeles because we have lost all of our rights. Essentially, black people in LA have been demified. We can't even go into neighborhoods that were once black for fear of getting shot, beaten up, threatened, what have you. So, no, we, we, it's not just about jobs, about housing, education, healthcare. It's about our 14th Amendment birthright that they're stealing from us.

1:35:47 And I don't blame the people. I do not blame the people. I blame my government for failing to protect us according to the Constitution of the United States. Yeah, this is not just something that's being discussed in black communities, but white communities as well. I mean, where I'm in Texas, Texas and people are like well hold on a second. You know we've got the sanctuary city in Austin and yet we have American citizens who are sleeping under I-35. This is moved more to the forefront for sure. And what, the gentleman brings up a great point. It's not about the people coming here because it's understandable why they would want to come here. The question is why are they allowed to

1:36:32 Because they're better voters. Once we get them legal, and that may not even be necessary, they'll vote for whoever helped them. That's human nature. That's true, but their second generation typically votes more conservative. Once you get a foothold in America and you start voting your pocketbook, they start voting more conservatively as numbers show. Oh really? I didn't realize. Because what we saw was even on the border states for people, Hispanic people that were here established. Oh, they're pretty much against illegal immigration. Absolutely. Right. So I think it's short sighted of the Democrats, the progressives, or whatever you want to call them. Yeah, the first generation that comes here will, but if you're successful,

1:37:20 You're gonna vote your pocketbook as you should. And if lower taxes is your thing, or those kind of things, you're gonna start to see them swing back to be more conservative. But I just wonder why a right wing think tank wouldn't bring up illegal immigration and its impact on on black people. You mean as one of the top five in this list? Part of the top five. Sure. Why not? It sticks out as a sore thumb to me. And is it that actually right-wingers at the elite level benefit also from illegal immigration? Absolutely. Of course they do. This is why nothing ever changed. Both sides benefit at the elite level, sure.

1:38:13 And that's the hunch that I had that out of all these talking points, The one that you could really sell black people on. You're not doing that. Illegal immigrants are stealing your birthright as this man says they're using the 14th amendment when it was set aside exclusively for black people that were slaves in this country to become citizens. They're using that as a loophole for quote-unquote anchor babies. Let's listen to part two. Well, do you agree with President Trump then that illegal immigration hurts black citizens more than it does other Americans? Oh, there's no question about it. And not just in the physical realm of jobs and housing, healthcare, but it's the whole realm of our identity. For example, you've heard of anchorism, that is anchor babies, women to come to the country illegally and they have a baby and that child becomes a citizen.

1:39:12 That is totally wrong. That belongs to the freed slaves. Hold on, you're saying that's, you're talking about anchor babies. I mean, I want to touch on that. So you are against the so-called anchor babies, the babies that were born in the United States, given our Constitution, a constitutional right that those children are American citizens. So you disagree with that law? That is not true. They've twisted that. It's a custom. If you, please take the time and you go to my website and you can study it, tedhaze.us. They have twisted the 14th amendment to mean them. It is not. Read the civil rights act of 1866 where it identifies slaves. That was who it's for. Yeah. This is a misinterpretation. And why I ask again, if you're really trying to persuade black people,

1:40:06 which I honestly think this think tank is trying to do. I mean, it's a political strategy because we talked about the negative vote. And then if you could turn the negative vote to swing to your side, that's a double hit to the Democrats. Why wouldn't you use this one big Talking point, hey, they're stealing your birthright. You should have right wing pundits yelling this from the rooftops if you really want to get African Americans to pay attention to what you're saying, but you don't hear it. And that goes to show you that think tanks are all about calculated measures. It's not about

1:40:42 What's best for the people and that's why I wanted to do this this segment here is to show you that it's all about propaganda on both sides Trying to swing people either way And this particular issue is not just about southern border, South Americans coming up. I would say Silicon Valley is incredibly complicit in this. Of course, this is where a lot of the money is. If you go look in Portland, and this is not necessarily an illegal immigration issue, but if you look at the H-1B visas which are given out to Indians who have

1:41:24 highly educated skills in engineering, electronic engineering, computers, etc. who do not mind living six to a one-bedroom apartment, that is all that's doing the exact same thing and it does deal with the comprehensive immigration status that we have that you know will one day be reformed but I don't see it ever being reformed. Nobody wants to get rid of their special pool of people. And I see the point you make, and I raise you LA Times, August, because what I want to do is before I say this, I think this illegal immigration at the southern border takes more of the brunt than they should as you just laid out.

1:42:14 And one of the topics not being discussed is LA Times, Asian anchor babies, wealthy Chinese come to Southern California to give birth. And that's August 26, 2015. And what they do is they come here, actually rent out huge homes where numerous amount of mothers that are in their third trimester fly over here. They set up these, basically like these spas And it says, just a snippet from the article, it said the website of one birthing center, that's what they call them, birthing centers, suggests that 4,000 Chinese women have been serviced since 1999. And these aren't poor people. No, no, not at all. They just want the American passport, the American citizenship. Right, the dual citizenship. Yeah, and I was just looking up

1:43:14 There was just a story about this the other day. There's an island that we own, as in America owns, and they have a lot of tours. And I can't remember the name of the island now. So I have to look up and they are asking for the federal government's help because people are coming to you know this beautiful island and it's like oh this is you know beautiful for tourism which is their main industry but now there's so many and I have to find this the guy who we're talking about I think is the governor of the island. He said you know he didn't he didn't say Chinese he said Asian but they're you know they're coming here and they're coming here to

1:43:55 have children and then have the American citizenship and then start the train. So I say to right-wing conservative talking point writers or think tanks, and I even say to Donald Trump, if you want to get black people to listen, you need to raise this issue. Because black people are more than well aware, as this gentleman outlined, that they have, illegal immigrants have come into our communities and pushed us out. And actually, Democratic and progressive politicians have pushed us to the back burner for illegal immigrants and illegal immigrant issues. So,

1:44:42 I don't, I don't... Yes, that is exactly what has happened and I don't think anything is going to change until the people collectively call for it. And that would mean a lot of exposition of information as you've done here expertly today for people to really understand that it certainly when it comes to this we're all being hoodwinked. It doesn't make anybody richer what's going on with illegal immigration. So what would you conclude, you know, hearing all this, and I really appreciate what you've done here with looking at both sides, conservative as well as progressive. Doesn't seem like anybody's given anybody a break, really.

1:45:25 No, an elite is an elite. I think that's the summary of what we take from this. I think we'd be better off having conversations with people in everyday life like we do on this podcast every day, I mean every show. And we get to find out what's in the weeds. that don't use these talking points because when you lead off with a talking point, like black on black crime or from the left, if you lead off, oh, victim, you're saying victimology, it ruins the conversation. That's the use nuance, how we're saying intelligent conversations. And we'll realize that the non-elite people suffer from the same issues or issues that are based in similar things.

1:46:18 This has been very educational for me. It came up with a couple of things that I realized I was thinking about in a limited way. I appreciate that. And it just, you know what Moe? I just can't wait for the next episode. Every Monday I'm like, I like Mondays! This is where we get to do fun stuff. Right, I enjoy it as well and I'm just saying it's great company and great conversation. MoFax.com is where you can find out more and on the next show I'll be telling you how you can help out with this podcast as I think we are now officially kind of established. It looks like we're going to be doing this for a while.

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