50: Class Action

00:01 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for October 3rd, 2020. This is episode number 50. And somewhere across the country from his secret hideout, Mr. Mo Facts. Mo Mo, how you doing? I'm doing good, Adam. How about yourself? Yeah, good. I missed you, man. It's been, uh, it's been what? Uh, two weeks? Two weeks? Yeah, two weeks. Well, everybody knows that usually something's going on and of course this is not just any episode. This is 50. It's the big 5-0, exactly. Exactly. Should we, uh, do we need to do a little bit of celebrating here? Is that, uh... Celebration! Come on! It's a celebration! Yeah, baby! We are rockin' and rollin' now! Celebration! Congratulations, Moe, we made it. 50. That's not bad. We have not podfaded.

01:05 That is a significant number for me. I actually look at it as like one season. I mean, you know, we normally do a show a week, give or take a couple of weeks in the in-between, but I guess this is the end of season one, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, there's actually a way to tag that, I think. There's a way to tag the number of episodes as a season. I got to look into that. That'd be kind of cool. Yeah, so I'm just, like I said, We started out without a plan, just two people coming together having a conversation and it's grown into what it is and I'm very happy. I'm very happy. You should also be proud man. This really put something amazing together here. There's even people doing No Agenda and MoFax meetups now. It's like it's become a whole thing. And I guess I should ask if you're planning it. Well, I don't know if we should ask now. I'm gonna ask. Are you planning on going on Hotep Jesus' show?

02:09 I was asked and we just got to probably figure out the particulars of it. But that is part of the plan. You know why I'm interested, right? Why is that, sir? Of course, because you just came off of it doing the work. Well, there's that part. But also, it's a video show. So do we finally get to see the mysterious Moe? That is the particulars of that we have to discuss I knew it I knew it I'm like he's not if he has got a you know either you are Denzel Washington or you're so ugly I don't know which one it is Moe. I'm leaning towards Denzel, but No, it's not that it's one and I used to do music I still do music yeah, but the reason why I never took it seriously is because I never wanted to be a celebrity right in the sense of

03:02 Face first so this podcasting what we do here is the best is a perfect fit for my personality. Well, why don't why don't you like? Like one of those DJs, you know put a big marshmallow on your head I could do that or be like the gorillas and create me an animation character. Well, I'm sure you'll figure it out. I'm looking forward to it either way. I'm just jazzed that you're getting out there and people are hearing your message. Except not just through this outstanding product that we call MoFax with Adam Curry. And you know what, Adam? If this is it, this is more than enough for me. I'm not being modest there.

03:42 I actually miss when we don't do a week. I know people are like, oh well, sometimes it goes two weeks. I actually miss those weeks because This is a great conversation to have every week and we don't talk hardly ever outside the show So no it kind of lives when I get a talk talk. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing a podcast I'm just hanging out with Moe fine here and what he's thinking about exactly well sometimes we do a little text if there's like something spectacular and of course now the the scenario has taken an interesting plot twist with 45 Savage down with the Rona. 45 down, man! But hey, with all great heels is the comeback.

04:34 So just be aware of that. Oh, you're so right. He's got to have the comeback. Oh my goodness. Well, for another deconstruction another time. Right now I suggest we spin up that wheel of clips and see what we're going to talk about today on Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Round and round it goes, the wheel of facts, where it stops, nobody knows. Well, Mo kind of knows because he's the one that puts it all together. The topic I prefer ADOS. That makes very clear who you're talking about. I know that voice. I know that voice. Okay. Sound familiar? Yes it does. Alright, well I don't know if I should be worried or not right now. It's like I'm getting my report card.

05:16 No, what this is, is to catch everybody out. We have a lot of new listeners, especially when you drop that bombshell on the Rogers show. We go all over the place here. We don't, you know, whatever's hot at the moment. Sometimes we talk about that. Sometimes we talk about things that are nobody's covering. We call it all over the place. So with this episode, I want to go in chronological order. and I tried a fool's errand of squeezing everything in chronologically. We'll be here until Sunday everybody but yes okay. Right no but what I the cut the cut off is

06:02 1619, which that's where we're starting or we ending? No, that's where we well, it was like where we're starting it ending but we're gonna start there because that's the narrative like we said, we're not historians know what we do is examine narrative and and that's where the narrative starts of the Ados lineage and then we're gonna wrap up somewhere around the civil rights movement and Now, it might not be exactly chronological, but I think this will help people to understand

06:39 What our claim when I say our ADOS's claim is the reason why it's a legal claim and not like a social program or a welfare program and then understand it goes past from from from what we claim we only want to be repaired from that point to the end of legal slavery But the effects of it go way past the end of the legal slavery sure and I want to illustrate that so hopefully You know, I mean it'll cover a lot of throwback clips, but I didn't want to keep it as like a best-of show. So if I understand how this works, it's a nice refresher course for people who've been along for 49 episodes so far, but if you're brand new, it's a great way to catch up. You can always go back and get all the detail in episodes 1 through 49. Am I hearing that right?

07:31 Correct, and it's gonna be in as much chronological chronological order as possible. This would be great to see the build-up. Yeah An on-ramp episode if you're just joining the party here's an on-ramp Correct. And with that said let's get on the on-ramp with a number two In 1619, when the first Africans were brought to the British colonies by ship to Jamestown, Virginia, they held the legal status of servant. But as the region's economic system became increasingly dependent on forced labor, we descended into slavery. The institution of American slavery developed as a permanent, hereditary system centrally tied to race.

08:16 Millions of black people were forcibly taken from Africa, crammed on ships and brought to the Americas through a dangerous and deadly journey that crossed the Atlantic. Millions died. Once on our shores, slavery deprived the enslaved person of any legal rights or autonomy and granted the slave owner complete power over the black men, women and children legally recognized as property. an ideology of white supremacy a narrative of racial difference was created to rationalize and justify the continuation of slavery. Oh, okay. Have I heard this clip? I don't think so. No, this is this is new. So we're gonna have some new stuff thrown in there to bridge together some gaps that we kind of didn't cover because we never really wanted to focus on slavery and I still don't want to focus on the

09:11 ends and outs of particulars of slavery, but what... Can I go back for a second? Let me start at the end and go back to the beginning. Right now in 2020, black people are having a maturation process politically. And in that process, reparations or as I like to newly call it, atonement is part of that. And that is the, when you compare it to reproductive rights, the Roe versus Wade, if you're talking about Immigration rights is amnesty. That kind of, it's the hard ask. Reparations is the hard ask for this political maturation. So I want to understand, people to understand like how did we get here in 2020 having this conversation and that's why we're going all the way back to the narrative.

10:09 Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. In order to understand how we're here today, we have to step back in time and bring it all the way forward. And the key word is narrative because at the end of that clip, I don't know if you caught it or not. Yeah, it was like a narrative was created for the embarrassing situation that was at hand. Yes, and I'm gonna jump out the window once again and say the narrative of slavery is just as dangerous if not as dangerous or not as impactful as the actual facts. Because this is what held us mentally captive from you know that late 1800s to 2020 is that narrative that has been created and

10:56 To do so, we need to look into that narrative. So hopefully everybody understands where we're headed and why I'm framing it this way. I think so. So, okay. So to get into that narrative, now we got to go to a throwback clip. And this is from show 38. And this is Massa Speaks. Is it possible that white people have something to do with the lack of ability for blacks to assimilate into this culture? Absolutely. The white man has certainly been prejudiced and to quite an extent unfair. But customs die awful hard. It takes a long time and everyone knew years ago that the Negro would have to be given equality. But in the South, knowing Negroes as we think we do, we realize it would take time

11:53 It's been compared to straightening teeth. It takes a slow, steady pressure. You can't do it with a hammer. And white people's attitudes will change in time. I'm a lot more liberal than I was five years ago, and I know I'll be a lot more liberal five years from now, and I think almost everyone else is in that category. So what I catch in this clip is the term equality, and I hear this gentleman saying, I'm a lot more liberal. I'm getting more liberal. Whoa, that's interesting. Yeah. But the first thing he says, first thing he says is,

12:32 We were unfair, which is synonym of unfair is unjust. I think unjust but so if you're saying you're not you weren't just. That's what the legal claim comes in at like, okay, you were unfair. Yes, and you have a Descendant mr. Hastings is clearly a descendant of slave masters and he's saying we were unfair to these people We knew this and we knew we're gonna had to let him go But in his mind is like we need to go slow. We need to you know, you can't can't trust them to be on their own even though you know these people were yeah, I mean but

13:13 That's that narrative that was shaped in his mind and in his forefather's minds that we are the caretakers of these poor helpless people. Now fast forward, it's pretty much the political liberal mindset. that we have to think for these people. We can't let them off the plantation right away. You know, we got to feed them, spoon feed them social programs and make, you know, make things like, but I don't want to go there, but I'm just saying that this mindset of, well, I'll let Mr. Hastings continue on and what his mindset and what he thinks black people were at the time. What has tended to make you more liberal?

13:54 Well, realization that the Negro is a human being like anyone else. Mr. Hastie, what did you think we were before you began to think of us as human beings? Well, in a way, we thought of you almost as a very superior pet of something, or rather someone, We had to take care of because we had to do so much of their thinking for them. We had to do almost everything For them that Except living their own own lives anything Outside we had to do for them and this is recording from 1968, correct? 1968 yes. Yeah, I was alive. I was alive. I was I was four I

14:47 Yeah, it was 12 years before I was born. So I mean just put that in perspective. I consider myself a young person, a relatively young person and for somebody that's hot like to say that it was the realization like it never dawned on him now is he being To be honest, for him to sit down and have this interview, I think he is being honest. It was a revelation to him to say, oh you know what, they are human. Because if you grow up for 60, 70 years and you've been grain for three or four generations that they're not human, they're, you know, livestock or, you know, property, these things. A pet. A pet.

15:30 We finally dawned on it because he made the, you know, the admission that they are human, they deserve rights, they deserve justice, they deserve to be treated fairly. But now it's the conversation of how do we move forward? And this is the same conversation now with so-called black people. How do we move forward? Do we just, you know, Give them their reparations. Because you hear a lot of times people say, well all they're gonna do is spit it on Gucci. Well, I mean it's interesting you say that. I just wanted to make this one point that when I was talking to Hotep Jesus,

16:13 He actually said, well, you know, because we were talking about Trump's platinum plan, which I just love the marketing of the platinum plan. He said, well, what good is that? He says they're just going to spend it on Gucci. And what I didn't say, which I only thought of later, is I wanted to say, hold on a second. What happened to blacks aren't a monolith? That was actually a really stupid thing he said. I was like, wow, I wish I'd come up with that at the moment. And it's funny you said that because somebody in the YouTube comments were saying, well, you need to give them jobs or give us jobs. I don't know how he was actually framed if he was a dogs and not a dogs, but he's like, what we need is jobs. And I'm like, to say that you're trying to say that.

16:56 There are some of us are not productive and can't handle influx of money and can't have so we need to stop that now. Yeah, nobody ever says that somebody that's a victim of a car crash or workman's comp claim to say you know what? Yeah, your honor. We can't give them their their just do because all they do gonna do is spend it on you know Gucci on Gucci. The judge is like no something happened You're the fault of it you're less at home. It's also just not true and the more I think about it and especially with that analogy that you're using, it's really a dumb thing for someone to say, especially from HOTEP. It's like, wow, you know, no. I was just, I wasn't awake enough to catch it at the time. No, I will say this,

17:42 There are going to be some people that misuse their money. Well, of course, of course, of course, just like there are some people that misuse the the money that you receive for Corona. Yes, of course. So just say that I mean, that's fine. That doesn't take away the fact that there's a legal claim to it, but I don't want to beat a dead horse by just want to lay out. This is the mindset, you know, of even... Yeah, go ahead. I just want to recap. So, I like how you put this because that actually helps me a lot. It was unjust what happened. That's the legal event, very much like a car crash. I like that analogy. And so now we have the determination. So we know who's at fault. There's actually... it's an admitted mistake, a fault, put it that way.

18:31 Now we have to finalize the payment. Yes, that's all it is. It's just like a class action suit with Monsanto or anything else. You've harmed people. Now it's who gets to collect. Another great analogy. Let's keep that going. Just like Monsanto. Very good. Yeah. What? There's no difference. It's harm one way or the other. Okay. Excellent. So I just want to lay out the claim here because the claim... I'm sorry, stop. I'm gonna interrupt you one more time because you just triggered my brain. Please, no, please. It's gonna help the cause. This is like a shareholder class action suit and I like this analogy more because you can say being ADOS is your representation that you own a share of stock

19:22 and a class action suit, they always say, hey, were you a shareholder between this date and that date? So we can say between 1619 and whatever end date, you know, 1968, here's your share. and they don't ask were you investing for day trading, they don't ask any of this stuff. Just did you own it at this point in time, you will get a piece of the settlement. And that's a fantastic analogy. And that's why we had to frame it as a legal claim because if you don't people think it's a social program or welfare program. It's really not. And you know what, I'm gonna say this, not every black person

20:10 that has been in America for a substantial amount of time come from the lineage of slavery. Correct. And once we do the paperwork on those people, they'll be set free from mental slavery. Because it's like, okay, we did the backlog, you don't come from lineage of slavery. Okay, now what's your excuse? You're good. Now put this yellow star on your jacket. But no what that does is to say okay now I can't be blanketed in right with this Victimization mentality I'm free you set me free to let me know first of all because I've said it on the show before Knowing our lineage is a tangible because knowing where you come from is very valuable valuable and important because

20:58 I'm surrounded by pictures of my grandfathers and great-grandfathers and I look at these pictures like who are you and what part of you am I? What part of you is in me? So, you know, these things are important. That's why no man in the house. Those kind of things are very detrimental because you don't know who am I? You know what I mean? You can't follow, you can't trace the lineage. Right, so I hope I'm laying the claim out and I'm going to further lay the claim out because as I say again, that's the majority of the underpinnings of the maturation process of. Adolf's people. All right, so with that said, let's get into slavery to mass incarceration too. American slavery was often brutal, barbaric, and violent. In addition to the hardship of forced labor, enslaved people were maimed or killed by slave owners as punishment for working too slowly

21:50 Visiting a spouse living on another plantation or even learning to read. Enslaved people were also sexually exploited. The United States Congress finally banned the importation of slaves from Africa in 1808. Slavery was widely considered a gross human rights violation. Yet, enslavement was retained and persisted. The 1808 Declaration caused the demand for slave labor to skyrocket in the Lower South. And the domestic slave trade grew to meet this demand. Between 1808 and 1860, the enslaved population of Alabama grew from less than 40,000 to more than 435,000. In 1833, the Alabama legislature banned free black people from residing in the state, meaning that enslavement was the only legally authorized status for African Americans.

22:44 I didn't know that. I did not know that. It's a lot to unpack in that clip so we might have to go back. This is one. 1808 to 1860 slavery grows from 40,000 to 400,000? How does that happen? So there's a narrative out there that all of these people came from the west coast of Africa, which I'm not a subscriber to that. I'm a subscriber to there was people that came here from Europe through transportation or fleeing Europe that were So-called black there were people here native to this land that were so-called black And there were people that brought here from West Coast Africa now what percentages of these three people that make up the ados community I don't know what I'm just saying to grow from

23:38 1808 to 1860, that's 52 years. You go 10x on the population and then they pass this law that says nobody in the state that can be black and be free. Now you start to see where this becomes a legal claim against the United States. Yeah, okay. It's all legal. We're not talking about emotions. We're not talking about any of that. We're saying what happened here and nobody, you know, we just gloss over these things. And then school is like, oh, you were a slave, then King came. No, you were a slave. Abraham Lincoln freed you. Yeah, King came. He got you your civil rights. Now here we are. There's a lot to unpack, which we're not going to unpack here. But I'm just saying these numbers don't job.

24:25 We had to look at it two ways. Before 1808, you had the international slave trade where you're bringing slaves in from other places in the world. At that point, it became illegal to do. So we said we have to start, and this is where you start looking at selective breeding and breeding processes and making slaves. Yeah, I was going to say that has to be a part of it. It does. But also, and I think 12 Years a Slave kind of covered this, where they were capturing free people. Yes. They're like, you're black, throw them in. You're a slave now, right. And it was state sanctioned. This is not, oh well, you know, it was kind of... No, you made me... Go ahead. If someone was captured in America, if it was an indigenous person, now

25:16 They don't have the same lineage, right? No, the lineage is American descendants of slavery. So it doesn't matter how you got in there. You were a slave at that point and you were then subsequently we have a lineage that leads to descendants of slavery. Exactly. Doesn't matter where you came from, Africa or not. Here's the strangest thing I find and it's a lot of historians that support me on my narrative. Everywhere in the world you found heavy melanated people. No matter where you go, you know, Australia, you have the aborigines, you know. Everywhere, everywhere. Except for America. We just gonna let that one fly. I mean, I'm not trying to digress. I'm just saying. Don't, isn't that strange? Well, what do you mean, isn't it strange? That you go everywhere in the world. Yes. And find heavy melanated people except for America.

26:18 This landmass, North America or the Americas, however you want to slice it. No heavily melanated people here. I digress and I'm sorry for doing that but I just want to point out that 40,000 to 400,000 number just sticks in my craw. How does that happen? Were y'all mass producing babies like that? Or, were there a lot of free people here that you're saying got caught up in slavery due to the legal changes? So you're saying something, I think, I just want to make sure I understand it. You're saying is, Ados is American descendants of slavery, and that doesn't necessarily mean that you came from Africa.

26:57 means you are legally enslaved by a state of the United States, a legal event, and it doesn't matter what your lineage before that is, at that moment the lineage that passes on is considered ADOS. Right, because they might have came here for like I said 1492 to that point. You had free people coming here from all over the world. Right. So what you know, some of the slave owners were black. What's the cutoff? 1808. 1808. And what was the event in 1808? That's when they passed a law that they said that you can't bring any more slaves in. Like, on ships, basically. I mean, if you're homegrown, if you're homegrown, it's fine. But I'm not saying that it's like a, I'm not saying it's comical, but it is comical. But this is also how you can have people who are seemingly for the eye, white, but they can be ADOS.

27:52 Now that's a slippery slope, which I'm not against. Like I said, if they want to make a claim, I'm not... I would be a hypocrite to say if you were Irish, you were brought here in transportation, you will make a claim. That's fine. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is there were some heavily melanated people that looked like me that were on this landmass. And they were enslaved. Prior to 1619. Just say that. Just say that's the cutoff. And for some reason, they may have been enslaved. And I know it's a hard thing to get your head around, but it's like those numbers don't make sense to me to jump like that. No, no, I'm totally with you. So part of it is, I guess, as you said, possibly breeding program, but the rest is obviously grabbing other people who are just handy.

28:41 And they 12 years a slave tell you that I mean and they say it was black people owning black people So if I'm a came here to say if you came here, it's like how'd I jump you? I mean like How'd you get free and not it I got like I said whoo, sir. Let's bring it back All right So what we have to understand now is what fueled the need for slaves. And there's two things that fueled it. One was sugar.

29:17 Four hundred years ago this month, in August 1619, the first African slaves arrived in Virginia. It's regarded by many as the beginning of America's long relationship with slavery. The 400th anniversary and the ways slavery has affected American history since then are being commemorated. One of the more notable efforts is the New York Times 1619 Project, which is spotlighting parts of history that are less well-known. We are going to focus on some of the economic legacies, including the larger connections with modern capitalism. Specifically, we're going to look at how the production of American sugar, known as white gold,

28:41 And they 12 years a slave tell you that I mean and they say it was black people owning black people So if I'm a came here to say if you came here, it's like how'd I jump you? I mean like How'd you get free and not it I got like I said whoo, sir. Let's bring it back All right So what we have to understand now is what fueled the need for slaves. And there's two things that fueled it. One was sugar.

29:17 Four hundred years ago this month, in August 1619, the first African slaves arrived in Virginia. It's regarded by many as the beginning of America's long relationship with slavery. The 400th anniversary and the ways slavery has affected American history since then are being commemorated. One of the more notable efforts is the New York Times 1619 Project, which is spotlighting parts of history that are less well-known. We are going to focus on some of the economic legacies, including the larger connections with modern capitalism. Specifically, we're going to look at how the production of American sugar, known as white gold,

29:57 helped to fuel slavery and became ingrained in our society. Historian Khalil Gibran Muhammad of Harvard's Kennedy School wrote about that for the New York Times. Louisiana, he wrote, led the nation in destroying the lives of black people in the name of economic efficiency. Sugar was the most dominant economic incentive for European colonization of the Americas. No other crop was as abundant or successful in drawing Europeans to these shores, and I mean by that North America and South America, for the purpose of cultivating sugar for a worldwide market.

30:45 So sugar brought them in. We're familiar with the triangle Atlantic slave trade. Sugar came from the West Indies, came to America, America fixed the rum and then they went back, took the rum back to Europe, brought back slaves. I mean, that's the triangle. I'm not oversimplifying it, but just in that sense. So we have this product sugar. and that was the really the first cash crop that got America off of his feet. So because a lot of people say, well you know, I didn't have slaves and my ancestors didn't have slaves. That's the argument right? But there would be no America if it wasn't for sugar or cotton, which we're going to talk about later. And if there's no slaves, there's no sugar. So I mean if you do the one-to-one correlation,

31:39 We ain't sitting here right now if it wasn't for sugar for cotton and those two products thrive off of free labor and it had to use free human labor to even sustain it. So you understand the claim? Please stop me, slow me down if I need to slow down. No, I'm following along perfectly. I'm making the case. I'm in court now. You are. It's like the honorable MoFax. Yes sir, you have a claim to make. State your case. Yeah, no I get it. And you've never done this. It's very intriguing. I love it. No, the reason why I have to do this because

32:21 You have to explain if you just over gloss it over oversimplify Yeah, oversimplifying. Yes, exactly. We were slaves you owe us is like my people didn't come here to know Ellis Island Why do I owe you? Mm-hmm. Well you partake in in the American system. That's just like I'm gonna draw analogy if I go to Germany today and pick up a German citizenship say I'm leaving America They're gonna take out a piece of my taxes is gonna go to Holocaust survivors. Correct. I can't say to them. Hey Right, I just move here 2020 why you taking this out of my taxes? They're gonna say no as a country we owe them because how we how we failed them as a group of people Mm-hmm. It's the same thing

33:10 Yeah, that's no doubt. But what will we go wrong at and I'm gonna say we as a if you want to look as a group of people we allow the people to speak for us to speak from a place of hatred it's like you owe us Whitey. You know it's like white people are like I don't owe you anything. Right, it's a difference between the entity or the corporation known as the United States who has a debt owed versus the white people. Correct. And that's why you see people going down the street taking people's food saying, say Black Lives Matter, you owe me this steak dinner. It's like, no, that's not how this works. We have a claim against the United States government. Yeah. That allow these practices to go on. Now, if you're a citizen of that government, then you have to pay into it. Just like the people in internment camps. I'm sure some of my tax dollars... Yeah, this is so sick now. Because I wish I'd known this before I said anything, before I opened my big mouth anywhere.

34:08 This is very... No, no, bear with me. This is very, this is really, really critical. This is the distorted, the distortion. Because of course, you know, like California, they just passed a bill, oh, we're gonna do a study on reparations. Okay, we know how that ends. But it's all, the narrative is white people did this to black people instead of the United States had this system and then enacted these laws and then that was an actual legal violation no different than many other human tragedies that have been repaired one way or the other and so this really gives you an identification factor and it removes it removes color from the entire conversation. Correct. Gosh I like it. But color does play into it because we always got to think about the bottom as well and the bottom was synonymous with color but we'll and that's why we gets hairy when you start talking about post

35:09 Slavery and that's why I like I mean to make a clean case. We just need to talk about 1618, you know, I mean, excuse me 1619 to you know, it was the slavery ended that's that's that's what we frame it because of course it's gonna blossom out of there and it's gonna you know, It's gonna have ripple effects to you know, the lineage down the line But if you keep the case there Then you will be a make an easier case for you for the for the reparations or what I call now atonement to happen But I guess we have one more sugar clip, number seven, I think. Let's get into that one. And I know I'm asking you to skip over a lot of history here, but you move forward to today, to the 20th and even into the 21st century. And you write about how the legacy of what happened in Louisiana and other places still plays a role in the economy, a vital role in the economy of this country.

36:07 Well, if we go from sugar to cotton, we basically explain two crops that in their totality explain much of the infrastructure of our capitalist economy to this day. We can explain everything from the abundance of land that was originally held by the indigenous and the labor of enslaved people as America's competitive advantage. By the 19th century, cotton, for example, was essentially the major export of the United States. And that cotton export helped make possible the wealth not only in enslaved people, but also the wealth of banks in the North that were responsible for financing investments in this country that were often mortgaged on the basis of enslaved people.

36:57 There's no way to really understand the economic might of America by the 19th century without understanding the role of cotton slavery and earlier sugar slavery in it. If I may make a comment, this is really fascinating. The American capitalist system, which is built on credit, debt, and commodities, really comes from this. comes from this period with leveraging humans as a commodity and an asset directly translated into the white gold that is sugar and later cotton. This is mind-blowing. I love this. Because sugar brought them in, but cotton changed the game. And that's what really, it really upset the balance of power between the North and the South.

37:52 You already had sugar, you already had the land in the South, you already had the agriculture, you had the free labor, and now you throw this thing called cotton in. Which cotton, well, if you have anything else further to say, because I don't, like I said, I won't Somebody said about us interrupting, but that's part of the show. Yeah, yeah, we do is cuz it's like hey Stop right there cuz I don't want you to gloss over that point So not only that but I'm just trying to figure it out and this is I'm all right My light bulbs are going off the whole time. So this is this is how this is how it works This is the only way it can work. So you we've laid out sugar free labor Got America off to a great start. Yeah the nation. Yeah. Hey, thanks. I

38:41 Then you have the invention of the cotton gin and the cotton becomes king. Cotton was a centerpiece of life in the American South for much of the 19th century. The well-being of every entity in the region depended upon the health of the annual cotton crop. The vast influence of cotton was found in virtually every aspect of Southern life. The rise of the cotton culture. During the colonial and federal eras, upland cotton was not a profitable crop because it was too labor-intensive to remove the seeds. That changed with the invention of the cotton engine, or gin, in the late 18th century. When Eli Whitney, a recent college graduate, arrived at Mulberry Grove Plantation near Savannah, Georgia in the early 1790s,

39:35 He did not know that he would alter the course of his young country's history. The cash crop in Georgia after the war is going to be tobacco for the 1780s and 90s. It's only in the 1800s when they figured out, you know, 1793 is when Whitney invents the gin and figures out how to get those pesky seeds out of the center of upland cotton. And it's only then that it becomes even profitable. And so we see this switch over from tobacco to cotton. But interestingly, those who had become successful tobacco planters and who had slaves to do the work are going to make that transition to a new crop very easily. The plantation system is already there. It's just a different crop that they begin to grow. Wow. I also learned something that sounds really simple. I never really understood the term cotton gin.

40:31 Because when I hear cotton I hear cotton here gin I think alcoholic beverage I never quite understood what that was this may sound really stupid, but now now I hear it was just an abbreviation for engine No, hello is what it would do it as I said in the video I mean as I said in the clip your cotton ball or the bloom had these seeds inside of it and it wasn't even worth the human effort to try to remove the seeds right and to be able to convert it to textiles. But when you have this cotton gin come on, I think they said in 1793, 15 years before this change, and now we're not going to bring any more international slaves and we're going to go domestic. Yes. That might be connected, who knows? To this 10 times increase. Hmm, interesting. Yes, I gotcha. So once the seeds were removed,

41:28 It's like, give me all the cotton I can get my hands on because now we can use this as textiles and that made the explosion in America. And this is the case to say there would be no modern day America if it wasn't for these inventions and the labor there because you still have to feed the cotton gin. Yes. Once the cotton gin was readily available and cotton farming began to boom, the influence of the crop grew until it touched every aspect of Southern life. Cotton, as James Henry Hammond across the river said, became king. And it ruled economic policy, labor policy, and politics before it was all over with.

42:21 Raising Cotton. Cotton is a plant that's been around for thousands of years. Cotton can only be grown in climates that have a certain amount of days of sunny warm weather. Cotton had to be hand-picked until the mechanical picker was introduced in 1927. And it's a very difficult crop to produce. You basically walk along the rows, bent over, and pick these bowls off one at a time. They're very rough and they tear your hands up.

43:00 A experienced cotton picker in the days before the mechanical picker could pick 250 pounds of cotton a day. An average cotton bale weighs 500, so that gives you some idea of just how labor-intensive it was and that's why so many slaves were necessary for the cotton industry before the Civil War. What a tragedy that, you know, I watched Roots, you know, 12 Years a Slave, of course, and many other, as you would call them, trauma-based entertainment products,

43:37 None of them tells this story. An average cotton picker could pick 250 pounds of cotton a day and it had to be hand-picked. That's what I'm saying. Even before 1927, which slavery had well ended or as we are susceptible to believe, had well ended up to that point. So up until the end of slavery in 1793, I believe is the date, who was doing all that cotton picking? You needed humans. Without the so-called Adolf person or black person, none of this kicks off. And it's clear as day, cotton became king. As so much so, it was one of the driving factors for destabilizing the union against the Confederacy. The Confederacy said, we got the land, we got the cotton, we got the free labor. We're rocking it here.

44:36 As they said in the clip they started to dictate political policy. Yeah now here comes our claim The way you shaped your nation was beneficial to the know that the the process of slavery You're a negligent as a nation. This is our claim very simple cut and dry. Mm-hmm So without those black hands picking those little white balls of cotton, modern-day America is not what it is today. Yeah, of course. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, you have to do this because you hear so many arguments and it's not the point about arguments, but we have to, what we do here, we defuse and deflate counter narratives to

45:29 to say this is what was really going on and what I'm using is just for point of reference, this is from the American history through the Southern eyes. So this is not the North or North sympathizers painting this. These are Southern ears telling you, hey, we wouldn't be who we was in the South if it wasn't for cotton and by, you know, relation to that without the aid of slaves. Yeah, and it benefited the entire nation. As a whole. With that said, then you had the Civil War kickoff, and I'm gonna do a little fast forwarding here, and the North wasn't doing so well. So now we gotta go back to another throwback. Those are all new clips. Now we have to bring in, because this is why I had to do it chronologically.

46:22 Because we were all over the place because we went where the show takes us and that's naturally what we do. But now is a good time to do some housekeeping and setting things in order so when people hear things or go back and listen if they're interested in listening to the older shows, it gives them context to what we're talking about. Now we're talking about Abraham Lincoln and what the Emancipation Proclamation didn't do. Well, what the Emancipation Proclamation was, was a presidential proclamation, and it was part of the war plans. So that in essence, what the Emancipation Proclamation did was Lincoln realized that two things were happening. One is that there was a worry that European nations might support the Confederacy.

47:06 But there was also a worry about, how do we get more and more people to fight for the Union cause? After the initial year, people were saying, well, you know what, I'm not sure I want to fight for this. Suddenly, Lincoln realized that he could have an impact on the South by taking away workers and labor from the South, encouraging people to then come North, join the Union Army, so therefore you'd have more soldiers, and add a moral tinge to the war. So all of that was behind Lincoln's thinking when the Emancipation was issued. The untold story of honest Abe. I love that clip. That was such a good one. And to bring in a modern context to that...

47:45 This is why 45 Savage says what he says about Abraham Lincoln. Well, if you're not saying he's correct, he does the most. He does it to the typical thing is that I've done more for black people than anybody except Abraham Lincoln, possibly. Possibly. He knows the story. He knows what's behind it. Just to give a little context of what's going on in today's time. So here's Abraham Lincoln. Setting the slaves free in Confederate States was an act of war. It had nothing to do with his, you know, his moral standings. That's episode 37 if anyone wants to go back and hear the whole thing. It's well worth it. And just one more thing he said in there, he had a fear of the European nations

48:40 supporting the South, why would they do that? Because maybe they could get a good deal on sugar and cotton. It's like, why go through the United States government? We can go straight to the Confederacy. I wish they had a couple of points off for, you know, there's cotton and sugar, you know, if you help us out. This is way bigger than one man owning another per- owning other people. This is- this is America. This is- no, but this is understanding the birthing of the country. And this is why when people say, oh, you should have left or why do you stay in America? Because my, my lineage helped build this one cotton ball at a time. One sugar cane at a time. If it weren't for those black hands, we have, we have, we were vested in this nation and we're not going anywhere. And the only thing we, and we're not, you know what, we're not even standing still waiting on reparations atonement, but that's not to say we don't have a legal claim to it.

49:44 Because I don't want to live my everyday life waiting on a reparations check to come to, you know, to make me thrive or make me successful. Has anyone ever brought this as a legal claim? Yes, Johnny Cochran actually and people want to talk about the OJ Simpson theory and why they maybe you know with the cell phone and the brain I think this was more This was more upsetting because he was actually trying to do it through a legal claim, right? Okay. Well, I don't want to drag us down No, no, I'm glad you asked that question because I am a bigger fan. Here's here's how I see it if we can get it through

50:28 means of governing, government, you know, politicians, that's one thing. But if you make it a legal claim, your ask to politicians then is, how do you stand on reparations when you're selecting judges? Totally different. Now we're seeing, let's fast forward to 2020. Everything's about what's her take on Roe v. Wade, what I'm speaking of is the new justice they're trying to appoint. As a political tool, reparations, we start asking these people, what kind of judges will you select when it comes to judgments on reparations? I'm not looking for the government to solve this problem, me personally. I would like to see it done as a legal claim, because if you do it as a legal claim, and you get the judges, say, if we could get in a time machine, go back to 2016, and say, hey, Trump,

51:29 We'll vote for you if you only appoint, you know those hundred appointments you have with federal judges and those two or three justices you can appoint? Only appoint reparation-friendly judges. You have my vote. That's how I look at tangible. It's not necessarily have to be a check written by the federal government, but you can do things through governing and through legal means that makes it easier in the court system. Yes, and I think that possibly if this structure were to go through a legal process, individual states may have different levels of atonement depending on what they were doing and how they were doing it. But if you're part of the union, you're part of the union. Like you said about stockholding. Did you hold stock? Did you hold? All right, yeah, you're absolutely right. I'm loving it.

52:23 And you factor in the way they're throwing money around now, trillions of dollars. It's like, come on, I mean... Oh no, I mean, it's so obvious to me that we have to create a Bitcoin for reparations. I mean, this is digital wallets for everybody. That's my answer. We can print that money, it's so easy, apparently. It appears that way to me, but let's not get too far away from the trail we're on right now. Let's wrap up with a second clip from Emancipation Proclamation. What about the timing of it? Why did it come when it came on that day, at that time? And as you were just telling us, the U.S. was already two years into the war by the time it was signed. Why that timing? Well, what's clear is that Lincoln felt that if he could end the war and restore the Union without ending slavery, that would be okay for him.

53:15 But by the time the Emancipation Proclamation is issued, Lincoln realized that he had to do something bold. And part of the timing was that he had been working on this for the whole summer. But he realized that he didn't have the sort of moral power to let this go until there was a Union victory. Because after all, what had happened was, if he had announced the Emancipation Proclamation, and then there was a battle where the Union lost, it would seem like just words on a paper. So what he did was he waited to release the Emancipation until after they won the victory in Antietam in 1862. That then made it seem in the minds of many, Europeans and non, that the Union was winning, and it gave more power, more moral authority to the Emancipation. Well, honest Abe was a douche. He didn't have a moral fiber in his body, apparently.

54:09 He said it, he said it, and he said more and we're going to get into that so we don't really have to linger on that clip too much. But I just want to paint this picture of one, the Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves in the Union. Two, I just want, as an aside, I want to address one thing. This three-fifths a person. This three-fifths a person thing was from the Union Yes.

54:46 In that time, it's like, okay, now you want to count me as a person, but I'm a property. You know what I mean? Like, I'm property when it's beneficial for you, but then when it's not beneficial for you, you want me to be a human. But then the South, North was like, no, no, no, no, no, you can't do that. And then they compromised, that's why I call it the three-fifths compromise. Yeah, you can't be a full human. So just to go to show you the difference between the Union and the Confederate, and I'm not pro-Confederate in any way, I'm just going to lay these things out as just so we can have a better understanding of the narrative of Abraham Lincoln, the great liberator. He was drugged or pulled or as the next person that's gonna speak, Mr. Lerone Bennett Jr., he said he was whipped

55:33 and to morality. It sounds like a wild idea now, and it is a wild idea. But from about 1852 until his death, he worked feverishly.

56:12 to try to create deportation plans, colonization plans to send black people either to Africa or to South America or to the islands of the sea. On December 1st, 1862, in which he asked Congress to pass three constitutional amendments. One, to buy the slaves Second, to declare free all people who had actually escaped. But the third one, his proposed 15th Amendment, asked Congress to allocate money to deport black people to another place. Wasn't that the, like something off the coast of Georgia? Wasn't that the plan at the time?

56:56 No, I think you're talking... No, I think that... I'm confused. I think that's Jekyll Island. Is that Jekyll Island? No, I thought there was also that his idea was he wanted to purchase some land and that's where he'd deport everybody to. No, I think it was Panama, if I'm not mistaken. He wanted out... Out, out, out. Move him down. The reason why though, if we're looking at the context of what we just covered in the previous clips, if you leave the blacks there and you free them, that's still a source of labor. And if you're trying to destabilize the South, you have to remove their force of labor. Their livelihood, yeah, exactly. Because if you don't, then they'll just rise again. So that was still... No pun intended. Right, right. So that actually wasn't even... None of this is from a racist standpoint. He was just like, how do I screw the South? All right, let's take them all out. Let's move them out of the country.

57:56 Well, Abraham Lincoln has his own thoughts of having an all-white nation. And I make the point also, and almost everything I say in here I take from Lincoln or from documents of the time. It was not just something he wanted to push black people out. He had an idea of this great giant vacuum sound, black people leaving and white people from all over the world. coming here and creating this all-white nation. As a matter of fact, I say, as you know, in his I Have a Dream speech at Alton, Illinois in 1858, he called for a haven, a white haven, for free white people everywhere, the world over. Now, these are Lincoln's words. And the interesting thing about that is that he underlined these four words, free white people everywhere. He underlined them.

58:55 This was his I have a dream speech. He was passionately committed to deporting black people and creating a white nation. Let me say in an extenuation, He believed that that was the only way to solve the race problem. I found that offensive and strange, but he believed that that was the only way to solve the race problem. He said over and over again, he did not believe that black people and white people could live together in equality in the United States of America. Was this the House divided speech? Was that the one? No, I don't believe so. Okay.

59:36 All right, well pay no attention to me then. Yeah, no, but the point I want, yeah, no, the points I want to make is with the what he's saying about Abraham Lincoln is Abe wanted to get all black people out who would be the new bottom because there always has to be a bottom. Right. White southerners. Ah. And everybody else that they brought in Because you always have that, but the white South I'm sure is like, hold on. You can't get rid of our bottom. Exactly. Otherwise, wait, who becomes the bottom when ours is gone? Uh-oh. Just one of them and it infuriates me when these, a lot of these smart talking heads go on with their Ivy League, you're saying educations and lament about, oh, honest Abe. How could Trump say he's better than honest Abe?

1:00:30 And I'm not supporting Trump here. I'm just saying if you know what I know just by looking at videos on C-SPAN and reading books by, you know, by Lerone Bennett Jr. Honest, Abe wasn't that honest and he wasn't that beneficial to black people. Well, it doesn't seem like he was hiding it. At all. No one was talking about that. No one was worried about him being racist back in the day. They were just worried about the numbers and the financials and the mechanics of it. And that's what frustrates me. Yeah. When you hear these talking heads go on television, and that's why it's even more dangerous when it's people that look like me but don't share my lineage. It's like, are you doing this honestly? Are you put up to this to keep us in this mental slavery that we're in? And I say this again. I would posit that a lot of the talking heads you're talking about have been programmed into thinking this way.

1:01:32 So the actual evil comes from where that the narrative has developed and is being taught. True, very true. And that's at these liberal universities. You have all the facts here. I mean, just dig it, look it up. It's in a book. So now we have to go to the actual 1619 project and a podcast they have. And this is going to cover it. Now, let me fill in the blanks here. As there was one story where a general had taken on a bunch of runaway slaves, but they were weighing down on his resources and the Confederacy of Confederate troops were hot pursuit. And he had to make a decision. Do I keep carrying these people on with me and they use up all my resources, a union on general or do I get rid of them in some way? So they come to this bridge, I mean, they come to this Creek

1:02:34 It's too deep to cross and too wide to cross without a bridge. The Union soldiers go across the bridge and all this is covered in episode 36. You can hear it. Hope it's not a spoiler alert, but this is from the 1619 pocket official podcast from New York Times Of course, they get to the bridge they cross then they pull the bridge up and leave the runaway slaves To be slaughtered and recaptured by the Confederate soldiers now I say all this to say now this is where we get to is next to the clips and this is what happens in after word gets back about this event. When word gets back to Lincoln's Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton, he is outraged. He has Sherman pull together a meeting with 20 black church leaders. There's a transcript of this meeting and it shows that these two men, Stanton and Sherman, actually turned to this group of black leaders and asked them, what do you want for your own people?

1:03:37 Speaking for the group, one of the men tells them, the way we can best take care of ourselves is to have land and turn it and till it by our own labor. That is by the labor of the women and children and old men. And we can soon maintain ourselves and have something to spare. Huh? This is where. 40 acres in the mule came from. Of course, yeah. And the original claim, and it was made to the north, not the south. That's the irony of it. How crazy is that, I mean how history and as we're talking about narrative has just been distorted and flipped around throughout history. That's very, very interesting and disturbing. And I want to make one quick aside.

1:04:29 because you always say this, you just say you always got to have your own platform, right? I mean, you can't be dependent upon, you know, YouTube or whoever else, you're gonna be filling the blank platform because they can own you in a way. They do own you. This is what the slaves were saying, all the free slaves were saying, we want our own land You know, we don't want if we have our own land and we can produce and you know, grow our own cotton and sugar and cash crops and compete and compete. So I just want to lay that out there to people. It's important that independent, I hate to say this, but we're media.

1:05:11 Is this because we're able to go outside the narrative and we really can't be like shut down away because the producers. Are there that keep us going to buy i just want to point that out you gotta have your own land i mean now is digital land. It's property nonetheless. So let's wrap up with the last 1619 podcast clip. And what's remarkable is that Sherman turns that request of those men for land to work for themselves into a government order. Special order number 15.

1:05:54 It's said that the government would take 400,000 acres that it had seized from the Confederacy and split it up among those thousands of newly emancipated people. This becomes what is perhaps the most famous provision of the Reconstruction period, which we all know as 40 acres and a mule. President Lincoln approves the order, but soon after he's assassinated. And Andrew Johnson, a Southerner who had once enslaved people himself, takes over the presidency and quickly overturns it. And within a few short months, the small amount of land that had been distributed to black people was returned to white Southerners. How inconvenient these little bits of history that we dig up.

1:06:48 We've been at war with the South all this time. Didn't even know it really. Confiscate the land, you know what I'm saying? Confiscate the, I'm speaking from the point of the Union. Yeah. Confiscate the land and rather than give it to black people who have been wronged or so-called black people, ADOS, we'd rather give it back to the Southerners. How nice is that? And you tell me we're not supposed to take this personally on a level? Yeah, I told this this is such a good way to do this. I really like it's even better than those 36 37 episodes You know, it's just a lot more coming. It's coming together for me. I love it It's the people have to listen to show twice sometimes just to catch all the nuance Yeah, and so what I said in the previous clip to this one is that we have to have our own land Which we do, you know We have our own thing going here, but to keep that going is nothing but a

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1:38:32 All right, so we're post-Civil War now, but cotton is still king. After the Civil War, many Southerners looked once again to cotton to revive their failing economy. The system of slavery was no longer in place, so another system of labor was needed. Cotton prices did not go up after the war, and so sharecropping ends up being the reality for a lot of ex-slaves and increasing numbers of poor whites as well. And people who used to consider themselves sort of yeoman

1:39:09 becoming, kind of falling into that poor white category of sharecropping. So sharecropping becomes a system where instead of rent, people literally pay in a share of the crop. The landowner usually furnished the tools, the animals, sometimes the seed. Sharecroppers had a cabin that they could live in. and the return on that for the landowner was getting a share of the crop. Now for the share cropper, quite often they had to buy goods that they needed at either the landowner's store or another merchant store, so they had to put the crop up as collateral or take a lien on the crop. And so at the end of the season,

1:40:01 The sharecropper often had really nothing left and so went into debt again for the next year. Something else I've never really been taught properly in school about sharecropping and how that works. This is good. Sharecropping was just slavery under another name. What it did was it opened it up for more people to be slaves. It's like, oh yeah, we can increase the labor force. by, you know, now it's not based off of color anymore. It's based off of a system of, you know, just oppressing people based off being poor. And, you know, when I heard this clip, what came to mind is now what we're dealing with in modern times where nobody wants to own anything. Yeah. Well, nobody can. Also, people can't own anything. It's become incredibly expensive to own anything. So that's why we have, you know, leased cars and

1:40:59 Yeah, we're sharecropping again. We are, we are. Yeah, because that's what debt is, is just basically you're borrowing off what you're going to make in the future and then it comes out you get, you end up dead even or into either Owen and then you know it's based off what you're going to make in the next year. Right. So I would want to point that out to people that a lot of parallels between now what's going on now and what was going on then. But I just want to let people also know that the claim I'm willing to make stops at the end of the Civil War and the emancipation of so-called black people. But if you want to go further, you can and say it persisted all the way up to Jim Crow. But I think this is a harder case to make and I would just like to stick to what you, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

1:41:50 Kind of thing, but we have a lot of evidence with sharecropping and I come up from a line of sharecroppers. I actually have my great-great-grandfather's sharecropping book. He had immaculate handwriting by the way. Oh, I love old handwriting. That's beautiful. And it showed that he could read which you know was also for that time very impressive and not only to be able to read but also had great penmanship just as you know just a nice I like it. A tidbit of information for me and it's why we take this thing so personally so when people say You know, you want to have a lineage to slavery. No, these are human beings. Yeah, they just went through a system But it's funny. Nobody says that to and I don't want to bring this topic up too much but to Jewish people They identify themselves. We could either say, you know, you're white. You're white I mean you just be white and they good enough be white. No, but they have a particular claim to history Yeah, and what they went through

1:42:48 that identifies them separate, you know, from the quote-unquote white people. So why can't ADOS be the same way? Of course, of course. We're part of the greater larger group of black people but we have a particular claim and a particular lineage and history, you know, that we're very proud of. I'm not ashamed of anything that my ancestors went through but I just want to say that But that kind of just lays out sharecropping a little bit and to put a little bit more flesh on the idea of sharecropping, let's get to slavery to mass incarceration 3. Even as the Civil War raged, slave trading in Montgomery flourished well into the mid 1860s.

1:43:29 After the Confederacy's surrender in 1865, Congress passed the 13th Amendment, which prohibited slavery nationwide except as a punishment for crime. But in many former slave states, slavery did not end. It simply evolved. Southern whites, angry after losing the war, targeted black people who were largely abandoned by the federal government in the 1870s. For decades, black men, women and children were tortured, terrorized and killed by mobs and violent lynchings, oppressed by a system of racist laws and customs. For another 100 years, black people were racially segregated, denied the right to vote, education and basic dignity.

1:44:11 They were humiliated, beaten, or killed for minor offenses or for protesting. The civil rights movements of the 1950s and 60s helped to end legally authorized racial segregation, but racial bias still persists. Yeah, and then this is the Kanye kind of topic where he talks about the 13th Amendment and how incarceration is clearly a form of slavery. Yeah, I mean, as long as you say you ever committed a crime, it's okay. You can be a slave. Yeah. And you'll be making stuff for Ikea, you'll be making stuff for some of the biggest clothing manufacturers, the Commercial Corrections Corporation of America. At one point, most of it owned by Bill Gates, just as a side note, and Warren Buffett, and a couple other people like that. That's the business, is you roll in the human beings and you lock them up and you make them work.

1:45:13 And you almost kicked me down a rabbit hole with your last episode of No Agenda. With the mass incarceration and the companies behind, I mean, excuse me, the um... Circo? Yeah. I was holding on to the edge of the rabbit hole, I said, no, I can't. You gotta be careful, no, you gotta be careful. That one goes so deep, Mo, it's crazy. That's a real, real deep one. No, we are going to go down it, but I was just saying like for this show, I was like, no, I can't do it. Way too much. But yeah, so this thing called sharecropping, which is slavery as another name under another name and to.

1:45:52 further prove that point, I found this interesting piece from Vice. And it's a genealogist who tracks down modern day slavery practices. Although sharecropping was technically legal, the practice was widely abused by white landowners who used debts to keep African Americans tied to the land that they once worked as slaves. Sharecroppers didn't pay rent, but they didn't own any property. And today, historians agree sharecropping was just slavery by a different name. So many former enslaved Africans had nothing. They had no choice. At the end of the year,

1:46:29 You owe me, no matter how hard you work, you are told. Sorry. And those cases relate directly to your cases today. Right. After slavery, these are like 1921, 1930, 1940s to 50s, and some of them to the 60s. Antoinette's very first case was May Louise Miller, a woman who was held as a slave with her entire family in Mississippi until 1961. Though May passed away in 2014, Antoinette took us to see one of her brothers, Arthur Miller. May and Arthur being two of the older sisters and brothers, they remember a lot. It took a long time before Arthur really opened up and talked. Wow, this was kind of nice with your grandfather that there's records of this stuff.

1:47:30 There's plenty of records, you know why there's records because they were property. Yeah, and to have property It's not about the you know, the no birth certificate things you had to keep you know records for tax purposes track of your assets correct, so there there are a no a bevy of of of records and documents and all these things and now with genealogy and those kind of things they can be dug up very easily. I mean this lady here, she has one leg, she lost one to cancer and she's kicking ass, no pun intended. But the reason why I'm saying that is she could let anything stop her but she not only does this but she goes and helps other people single-handedly. I mean this is what, these are the people that we need to be highlighting

1:48:20 as heroes and you know leaders I mean if you want to use that term or no be to be lionized I'm sure she's not making that much money if anything but she feels it's important that these people that have been held in slavery in 1960 That which brings to mind that what and it's not related in a way, but it is but the colorism thing with the 1970s with the HBC use yeah, I mean these these things died hard Yeah, and when you go back and listen to the what Masa speaks he said this I mean you could you have to listen to what he said. He said these things is like straightening teeth And he was very serious about it that

1:49:06 They would not let their slaves go. And a lot of times the slaves didn't want to go because yeah, it's a whole new world out there. Like, how do I fit in there? You know, I know this evil, you know, they say like the devil that you know is better than the devil that you don't, this kind of thing. It's like, So a lot of these people just willingly stayed on these plantations, but other ones they stayed willingly because the other option they thought was death or what is going to be laid out in this second clip from Vice. We lived on, I don't know what would you call it, but something like a plantation to me. It belonged to several different white people. They all were family, I guess. And you couldn't leave. And if you did leave, they either come get you or

1:49:55 or have somebody kill you or whatever, that's what happened. They did my mama bad. What'd they do to your mother? They just had my mother, you know, the white men, you know, they just did what they wanted to do with her. I just wasn't big enough to do nothing. If I would have been, I don't know, I probably wouldn't be here. And this was in the 1950s or 40s? That was on through the 40s and the 50s, all through the 50s, and 40 to 60s. So what would the repercussions be if you tried to leave or if you tried to refuse what they wanted? Back in them days, it was kind of like you had to do what the white man said or I'd get killed.

1:50:43 I did his uncle. They made him dig a grave and killed him. Killed him, buried him in his own grave. Jerry Dawson, they killed him. He lived right on the same place we lived at home. He left and see he wasn't coming back. They went and got him, brought him back, carried him right down there from his house, killed him. Hung him up in a tree. They hung him? They killed him first, castorized him and hung him up right from his house where he's chipping everybody could see him. I don't know much Moe, but I think the idea that you've got to dig your own grave just to be killed is kind of a day wrecker. And castrate it. Let's not forget castrated. Damn man. And so I lay all this out. What's the time frame of that Moe? 1940s, 50s and 60s. So we're not talking...

1:51:38 People say all slavery ended on this day get over it. You know, everything was peachy after that. No, no now for my family luckily No, they eventually were able to own land I mean a lot of times what you would do or make just go back give some context to sharecropping and Cotton those kind of things if you were smart enough or you dealt with people that was on the up and up Which was very rare. Um You could eventually have enough kids to where you could work the land, make a profit off of your, you know, your goods and buy your land. If you were lucky enough, I mean that, like I said, for me to be sitting here right now, a lot of things had to fall into place in the right way. So I don't want everyone, people to think that I'm the norm and neither are these people. This is not the norm but it's somewhere in between there. But I'm just saying these things exist and

1:52:38 To keep this structure and this system in place, they did things like create the one-drop rule. Explain what the one-drop rule is. The one-drop rule historically, also known as the rule of hypo-dissent, was really instituted to protect whiteness. It was a way for the white majority to be able to name and incite who was white. So it was one drop, which is one... 132nd of Negro or African blood would make that person Negro or African whatever the classification they used at the time. I hear people say we're in a post-racial society. The reality is in order to get beyond something you have to understand it, right? And where in your education, where have you been required to learn about race? They don't teach it. No. It is the foundation of this country.

1:53:24 We have to talk about race. We have to talk about racial difference. It is just a flat-out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race. How long ago was that when Don Lemon had the Dr. Yabba-Blay on? I mean that's... I'm thinking 2012 it was in the Obama era. I was gonna say it's kind of a semi sane conversation which I don't think Don Lemon is capable of anymore. He's a victim of the narrative. He really is, he really is. But there's a good guy hiding in there. I can't help but think it. He knows, he knows. But he's in a weird position, I guess. Yeah, he is. And for her to say that racism is the foundation of this country, if people hear that at first and don't go through the previous

1:54:12 18 clips out, 19 clips out, laid out. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, it freaks you out. Exactly. But when you understand how sugar and cotton were the fuel, the rocket fuel for this nation, and how that was basically manufactured from black hands, black enslaved hands, I mean, because there's no other way you could pick those crops up until 1927, as stated, you know, from the Southerners themselves. Now you understand why you say racism, this country is based off racism. But if you just throw it out there without explaining it, people are like, what are you talking about? I mean, like, I don't... Well, it's not even racism, it's the...

1:54:53 The country developed, as the country developed, people started, of course it took way too long, but people started to figure out, like go back to the beginning, oh wait a minute, these people, these are people, these are human beings. So it was a dual process, not a racist thing, it was just complete ignorance and God, you know, they barely believed the world was round. I mean, there was a lot of learning in the time. Allegedly round but So You have to take all this in context even the founding fathers knew when they were writing the Constitution and you know the Bill of Rights and all these things They knew it was wrong, but it's like for the greater good We're building this nation and it's gonna be a beacon of light, you know hope you know against a monarchy and you know those kind of things like

1:55:51 we might have to dabble in human trafficking or or our own ownership of people or you know making people seem like property but it's for the greater good because you saw a lot of the founding fathers freed their slaves at their death. Right, right. It's like, I'm not going to butt the system while I'm alive but when I die so they had an understanding of it but it's I'll say this how many of us gonna give up our Nikes? Right. We know. Yeah, for sure. How many of us gonna give up our phones? I don't think so. So, I mean, when we judge these things, we have to use a bit of nuance and not only that, but don't be hypocritical. Because we know how we get our Nikes. We know how we get our hair weave. We don't want to talk about that. So, I'm not... I'm not poo-pooing. I'm just saying we have to look at things in a certain perspective and say, in that time,

1:56:55 it was acceptable, but now that we know better, what are we going to do about it? Because there are people who still have real-life repercussions. I mean, this guy is 1960. He could easily have children my age or grandchildren my age. You know, it's kind of sad just thinking through it, how the cotton industry, which made sugar and cotton, made America. the powerhouse that it is, that was the whole genesis of it, that we have so easily flipped that and now we just got some Uyghur slaves in China handling the cotton. You know? It's like... But it has to be a bottom. There always has to be a bottom.

1:57:45 And that's the narrative against capitalism, right? I mean, that's the one knock on capitalism that there always has to be a... And I'm saying that because it opens a door. We're going to get there. Walk through that door in a minute. But to speak about the bottom, we have to go back to throwback clip from show 48. And this is when we brought in the idea of the ritual sacrifice and striving to be white. Girard isolates three distinct bodies within the community. The model, the rival, and the ritual victim. And he sees within the community a driving function of competition and the potential for violence. So the model, in our case, the plantation elite or elite whites, are in possession of an object. They're in possession of something.

1:58:31 In the political realm, we might think of this solely as capital, but if we think of it more broadly, they're really in possession of something called white, which stands for all sorts of things, concepts of election, purity, goodness, and providence. I was doing research in the Widener Library at Harvard, and they had this book, and had something like the 23 races of English people, which sounds surprising, right? But not really, right? It all feeds into that chain moving towards the elite model, the person who is holding the desirable quality at the top. Now, elites are able to generate allegiance

1:59:19 And they're able to generate disciples by making whiteness a desirable quality Yeah, and as we've discussed many times on the show That that was very big in Europe is bringing some white people for power political port We'll just call them white right and then you see why it's binary now is either you're white or you're not yeah now and it's crazy because you could have One child has three white grandparents one black grandparent. He's black and And nobody blinks an eye when you say that. I mean look at Meghan Markle. Her child could easily consider itself black. Nobody would blink an eye. But you can have three white grandparents, one black, you can have three black grandparents, one white grandparent, and you can't call yourself white. Why is that? What system, I'm just saying what system

2:00:19 If you met somebody and they pretty much would look like Barack Obama, right? Or maybe even darker. And they say, I'm... And you're like, who? I mean, they're spying on you and that stuff. Oh yeah, I'm white. And you're like, what? Yeah, no, no. I have a grandparent, one of my grandparents are a WASP. It wouldn't sit well with people. No, of course not. But if you put that 180 degrees... We're all used to it. It's good to go. If I forget his name, the baby, you know, saying the baby Markle or whatever, you know, comes out and says, no, I identify as black. I identify my blackness. Nobody says anything. So that goes to show you the one drop rule and this striving to be white is still alive. And for the one drop rule, I'd refer you to episode number nine is where you can go hear that one again. It's very, it's well worth it. One of the, one of the big, Oh, aha moments for me. Yes.

2:01:16 Now we have to venture on to episode 43. And like I said, a lot of this is going to be throwback now, but I had to lay out how we got to the conversation that we had. Moe, you're just ratcheting us up to the top of the roller coaster. We know what's happening. We know what you're doing. Go ahead, tighten the chain. Let's get there. All right. So take in mind sharecropping, being lynched, digging your own grave. being castrated. What if someone showed up and just said, hey, we can help? How about communism? How did you get interested in this topic? And as I mentioned, it is a sensitive topic because there are those for decades who've worked to tamp down the suggestion that anybody in the civil rights movement was attracted to the Communist Party at all.

2:02:03 Exactly. And this is a story that actually predates the Civil Rights Movement as we know it, going back to the 1930s. I became interested in this as a doctoral dissertation back in the mid-80s when I was very active in a lot of social movements, actually in the LA area. And I wanted to know how the Communist Party organized African Americans, particularly in places where black people were the majority. And there I discovered a very vibrant movement that very few people wrote about. There basically were two stories. One memoir by a man named Hosea Hudson, and then another story in a book called All God's Dangers, which was about an African American sharecropper.

2:02:49 All God's Saints, just the life of Nate Shaw, I remember that. Exactly. But his real name was Ned Cobb. Nate Shaw was his pseudonym. And it's a beautiful book that tells his life story. Only a portion of it deals with his membership in the communist led sharecroppers union, which at one point had about 12,000 members in the Black Belt counties of Alabama. And were all the members black? Well in Alabama, there was a point when basically all the members except one were all african-american sharecroppers and tenant farmers I Love that this is why I say what I say about Atonement and justice if there were to atone for what happened and give these people justice You don't create a hotbed

2:03:45 for outside interests to come in and weaponize people against you within your borders. This is bigger than black people. This is bigger than ADOS. You're creating an environment and keeping the environment thriving for Marxism. Hello, do we not see what's going on? DLM Inc. Funded by who? We don't have to say who, we know who. I'm just saying. So it's the same, I'm drawing these parallels now The same environment where Marxism, communism could thrive or the idea could thrive still exists today because the atonement has never happened. And once you do atone for whatever happened, now it's like, you know what?

2:04:33 De-weaponize your victim claim if you want to look at that way. No, you can't bring that up anymore fine I won't bring that up anymore and the people that didn't go through that we could at least I like you know No, you're not a dog. What are you? What's your complaint? You can't you can't hear you're all free will why you what do you have to do? I mean, this is this is this is family business in a way because But yeah, I hope to see why this is important and Why this conversation is happening? We're making the same stupid mistakes. What has been resolved? Nothing. And I'll say that on both sides, the Boulay membership don't help.

2:05:16 I mean, I mean, uh, Boulay leadership doesn't help because they just come in and they know, uh, we've had the conversation. I didn't clip it. I didn't add any clips in here. They just profit off of black suffering. Yes. Like, Oh yeah. Look how poor, look how bad the black people are doing. We'll manage the money. We'll manage the money for them. We'll take care of it. Cause you know, they didn't, they only buy Gucci. So we got to take care of it. And it never reaches the people. And then you have this perpetual suffering and victimization. that thrives as a breeding ground for these foreign ideas, which, trust me, we know how communism ends. Yeah, poorly. And really, if, and I'm going to say this, and it may be a hot take, if the South got their act together and would win the three-day slays, I would think they would have probably won the Civil War. Yeah, I think that's a real possibility. That would have changed the course of history.

2:06:18 And then you fast forward to now, the only problem the Republicans have with black people is racial relations. If you just want to take it to political, if they resolve that issue, a lot of the planks of the Republican Party, black people are on board for. Black people are very conservative, faith-based. But it's that one thing, it's the pee in the mattress that won't let people rest. It's race relations which atonement was solved for. And like I said, I'm just explaining to you

2:06:57 This is the tangible ask. This is the maturation process of 2020 of black people in America. It's like, you know what's going on. You know what happened. As the internet came about, smartphone, YouTube, a lot more people know. It's not like I'm digging up these facts from, you know, ancient or antiquated textbooks. We have such forces working against this type of awakening, this type of knowledge, you know, with just... we talk a lot about it, but with narratives and positioning statements and entire... and I think a lot of these people actually may not even be so bad-willed, but they're financed by people who have no good in mind, often.

2:07:45 And then people just, you know, they've gotten a story, they're under-informed, and they go out and they do whatever they think is right. And it's such a destructive, vicious cycle. And what was the takeaway? Just fast forward, and bring us to real time right now before we get back into the clips. What was the argument and the big takeaway from the debates? Trump's a white supremacist! He wants to deny the white supremacists! That's the only thing. Nothing else came out of it. You're so right. Oh my! Yeah. Who are they talking to? Yeah. I keep telling you, this whole election hinges off of what black men are gonna do.

2:08:28 That was the whole talking point of the Democrats. He's a white supremacist. He won't denounce. He's kryptonite black people. And here he comes with a plan. Like I said, I haven't looked at all the nuts and bolts of the plan. It sounds very similar to Mary Ann Williamson's plan. I mean, to be honest, I think he might have, you know, borrowed that from her even down to the dollar amount. Well, but there's no doubt when you want to package something, he's the best. Of course. To package that up as the platinum plan for America's blacks was...

2:09:04 He understands the culture. He does. It was way, way, way over the top and just perfect. What's in it is not really what you're looking for, I agree. No, but what I'm saying is, and it's this weird thing, because I'm gonna draw a point. Mary Ann Williams his whole point with atonement, right? We have a spiritual problem Race right the race problem is really a spiritual problem That's what she kept harping on about even though she comes from it from a new age II kind of point of view But she was saying it's this Spiritual like no not put words in mouth like infection that we have it has to be you know, no purge

2:09:46 She comes up with a 500 million dollar plan. Everybody on one side claps. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but then the other guy comes with a 500 million. I mean, it's gonna be 500 billion dollar plan. Yeah, it was like, boo. I'm just going to show you how narrative works, but let's get back into these clips and the second clip from how communism was brought to the South. How did the Communist Party get started in Alabama? In 1928, the Communist position internationally was that African Americans in the South have the right to self-determination, meaning they have the right to create their own nation in the South.

2:10:28 And it's a position that came out of Moscow. It came from other black communists around the globe. And with that idea in mind, they sent two organizers to Alabama and they went to Birmingham. And they chose Birmingham because it was probably the most industrialized city in the South. And they went there thinking they would organize white workers and from white workers, black workers would follow. But no white workers would come forward. And so the first two organizers was a guy named James Julio, who was a Sicilian worker who had migrated to Alabama, and another guy named Tom Johnson. And together,

2:11:09 They went out looking for white workers, and black workers came. And black workers came in fairly large numbers right away. Because for them, they had a memory of reconstruction, a memory of the Civil War. And in that kind of collective memory, they were told that one day the Yankees would come back and finish the fight. Well, when they saw these white communists, they said, oh good, the Yankees are here. We can't wait to join. This is one of my favorite clips from all the episodes we've done, episode 43. Now you understand why when we look at Black Lives Matter Inc. and the self-avowed trained Marxists, it's like this is a repeat of history.

2:11:51 It's a total repeat and it's it's kind of maddening when you think about it because this is this is not taught This is not the only iteration of this because a lot of oh, yeah with the black plant that Black Panthers. Yeah, they were big Maoist very big Maoist in his little red book. Yep, but I Won't go down that rabbit hole on this show. But yeah, I think this America's gonna just say this America is gonna keep playing with fire and this thought process is gonna take hold if we don't put it out the racial fire. Yes, well this is the time, this is the time, I mean it's time to do it that's why especially with the bullcrap doing the work, you know white fragility, I mean people are trying to solve this with very very

2:12:48 either poor intentions or just idiocy. No knowledge of really what the background is. So yeah, this is the time. This is the time to stop it and get some education out there. We're just going to keep going through this every 20 years. And imagine when a foreign nation or if a foreign nation steps in and say, yeah, give them what they want. Give them their tangible. It's going to be on the path to Marxism or communism or even socialism. You could flip the country to Russia in a heartbeat. or any yeah or china or china i'm telling you because i'm um capitalism has its problems but they pale and compared and that's just my personal belief i i and i truly and we're not like we don't live in a capitalist society right now we live in a corporate society a techno technocracy or however you want to put it yeah in a true capitalist society where you buy from one sell for two everybody you know um

2:13:48 have equal chance to you know loans and funding and those kind of things and best man wins and that's what I'm for. Not everybody gets the same thing. No healthy competition which is basically capitalism, free markets, the stuff we are built on. Right but as in it's called race so there is a competition within the competition and I would love to see it more looked at like the Olympics All the nations come together from their different nations, different colors, creeds, religions, and they say, okay, who's the fastest runner? Who's the highest jumper? Who's the fastest swimmer? Why can't we do that with economics? Why do we have to tilt the scale? Well, it doesn't behoove the very rich people, now does it?

2:14:38 Well, then you better be careful because that's the first ones to get it. Sometimes your head winds up in a basket sometimes. You never know what could happen. I'm just saying, it can't be that bad to deal with this. But okay, so that's covering the people that stayed in the early 1900s, you know, mid to mid 1900s in America and South. for black people. The other option was to leave the South if you were able to. I mean, because as you heard in the previous clips, that could end up in death. But if you were able to leave, you participated in the great migration. This map shows the Black Belt of the United States. Its name comes from the fertile soil associated with the region. And for most of America's history, more than 90% of the country's largest minority group lived here.

2:15:30 Starting in the early 20th century, nearly half of the African American population left this region to resettle in emerging northern and midwestern cities. It was one of the largest internal migrations in U.S. history. And now data indicates that a new movement is taking shape. To understand why, let's go back to 1865. The Emancipation Proclamation ended slavery and started a new era for colored people in the states. Shortly after, the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments enfranchised people of color at large. For the first time, the majority of black Americans controlled their own destinies. In the years immediately following emancipation, most freed slaves chose to stay in their communities. After all, the only America they had known was the South. It was common for their descendants to work as sharecroppers on plantations. Sometimes their only payment was permission to live on the property. But that wasn't the worst aspect of the South for blacks. The Jim Crow caste system determined where you could eat, what platform you stood on when you were catching a train.

2:16:31 This was a rigid caste system in which any breach of the caste system could literally mean your life. That's author and journalist Isabel Wilkerson. She spent 15 years compiling the stories of Black Exodus to cities in the North, Midwest, and West. The movement would come to be known as the Great Migration. The only problem with the Great Migration was you left the South, you left everything you knew, you left your land, and you went to these cities where you weren't really wanted. No, and there was no food because you couldn't have land to make food. So yeah, that was a tough journey, a tough destination.

2:17:18 And a lot of times the women were shut in the house all day. I mean, it wasn't safe to come out in the neighborhoods they were forced to live in. It was one piece called a tenement that I'll get into later on in one of our shows to come that it was a hellhole. It was a hellhole and black publications participated in this propaganda to draw people to the North. Now, the Great Migration lines up almost to a T with World War I. The first wave, because you had a lot of white men going out to fight, you had to backfill those jobs. You backfill those jobs with people coming from the South. Now, I will say this, as we heard in the previous Cotton clip, the mechanically picking cotton came about in 1927. So that put a lot of black people out of a job.

2:18:19 So they had to go north. And then you had the pressure of the, you know, the KKK, which was nothing but a domestic terrorist group applying pressure to run people north. But it's very, it's very sketchy what was going on there. And like I said, this is not only a throwback, but this show, but this is also what we're going to get into moving forward, breaking down what happened in the Great Migration. And this is one of your favorite words, urban. In 1915, African-Americans began to leave the black belt for these new industrial centers. By 1929, 1.5 million African-Americans had resettled in new northern metro areas.

2:19:05 At the time, America's participation in World War I drove demand for manufacturing labor. But strict immigration laws left northern factories with a shortage of workers. Factories in the north started recruiting low-skilled workers from the south. The workers faced discrimination in their new homes, which culminated in the Red Summer of 1919. Migrant blacks, whites, and European immigrants were all competing for limited housing and resources, which exacerbated relationships in city centers. The most prominent of these settlements for migrating Blacks was New York City, and the art, music, and theater that emerged from this community became known as the Harlem Renaissance. These artistic achievements redefined the cultural image of Blacks in America.

2:19:46 But the stock market crash of 1929 and ensuing Great Depression slowed the influx from the South and effectively ended the first migration. A second wave began in the 40s when World War II kickstarted manufacturing again while agricultural employment in the South plummeted. Once again, people living in the rural South began to migrate to cities. Manufacturing hubs in the West were far more prominent in this second movement, but only a fraction of skilled labor positions went to African Americans. By the end of the second migration, an estimated 5 to 8 million blacks had resettled outside of the South. Kind of interesting in the context of how immigration or certainly illegal immigration has affected ADOS blacks in America. And that's just a still a modern topic. And back then I was like, well, we had really tough rules. So, oh, guess what? The black people come up and do it. They're our own people. Yeah. And the crazy thing is, so we got to look at the first wave, second wave, we're both driven by global wars.

2:20:51 That was it. And a couple points I want to make. One, the way they use propaganda. So they would use stories like Emmett Till. Emmett Till was a true happening. But you got to think, why would the American press pick up on this story? I mean, there's no benefit to it, to air out your dirty laundry. Right. Unless you want to use it to scare black people in the South. Hello. to give up their land and move north. Now I'll give you a, I'll juxtapose that to a story that happened in Chicago at a beach. A black kid was swimming on the black side of the beach floating. I think he fell asleep or whatever, but it ended up floating into the white water area. You know, they stoned him to death in the water.

2:21:40 Yeah, I think we I think you told me this one before yeah, so I think we went over it But what I'm saying is but that never made the news why? Because you want to keep keep the people flowing north because that's cheap labor cheap labor Puts pressure on your white workers to drive down wages. So we were always used as this wedge or or you know a mechanism and then it when you see like now and Even with black people we're saying it. Hey, why are you letting all those illegals come in our country? They're taking our jobs. They're keeping the wages low You had the same thing going on with so-called white people because they were only Allowed to be white when it was convenient for the truly white people, you know to Beef up their ranks as we talked about with the the gangs in New York clips from the previous show. Okay? Yeah, we got a graph to me and where our numbers are low, you know, okay, you could be white You could be white you could be white

2:22:38 And to show you that this bottom idea is not only white against black, but black against black, as I laid out with the political class of black women are using black men now. The first wave of black people that went in the 1914s hated to see the black people coming in the 1940s. Right. They even had codes and laws like, oh, you can't sit on your front porch or you can't eat watermelon outside and it was in your front yard. Cause it was the optics. It's like, we're good, good upstanding black people. You can't bring those country bumpkin ways up here. So there always has to be, I'm not keep saying it, but it always has to be a bottom. And that, so that's like a Baltimore scenario where it's all ADOS,

2:23:30 running the city and they're keeping the bottom right where they want them to be. Because they campaign all for the bottom. So I look at all this crime we got to do something about it we need more money we need more funding we need you know we need more programs and the money never trickles down to the people. So I mean, I just say that it's like, okay, stay in the South and be indoctrinated with communism. Move North and be isolated from everything you know, because we are agricultural people. And I'll say that just even now, me being back in the rural area, sunshine, fresh water, fresh air, it unlocks something in me. I can't tell you what it is, Adam. I cannot tell you what it is, but just being here,

2:24:18 Took me back to where I came from. Sure, and I'm not saying to say I'm not saying my grandfather had an outhouse I used the outhouse before I mean like I said, this is not People want to antiquate this stuff and make it so far distant. Yeah, but take it back to Kunta Kinte But no, that's not the way it is. It's not like I said, I've used the outhouse before several times and Have to go to the well get water. Don't you say you know, you should wash your hands before you come to the podcast. That's for sure Well, you I mean very clean I mean Very clean, but it just saying to put that in context. Isn't that crazy? We're in 2020? Yeah, I'm live, you know four or five years old. I mean in my lifetime, um

2:25:07 So just to lay that out, that those were our two options. And then we went into cities, why I brought up urban, because you always say, what is that urban come from? Now the new synonym with black was urban, with city was, you know, these city centers, they used to call them Chocolate City, Parliament, Parkadelic. You used to call it CC. So you have these things, And it goes from, okay, black being synonymous with rural agriculture, now you have it with urban projects. This is when the projects came along and the public housing, and we talked about those things. And where are we at on... But there was progress made.

2:25:56 from the 1940s to the 1960s, and you don't have to believe me, believe Thomas Sowell. Discrimination and disparities. Quote, the plain fact is that black, the black poverty rate declined from 87% in 1940 to 47% in 1960 prior to the expansion of the welfare state that began in the 1960s under the Johnson administration. There was a far more modest decline in the poverty rate among blacks after the war on poverty began." How could that have been? Well, it could be because

2:26:33 The things that they thought were going to help did not help and in many cases made things much worse. One would be the welfare state, which provides, and the other would be things like minimum wages, which just price people out of their jobs. It's amazing how that simple concept never seems to get through to so many people. All right, crime. And in this case, you're writing not only about African Americans, but about low-income people generally. In the United States, murder rates, rates of infection among, with venereal diseases and rates of teenage pregnancies were among the social pathologies whose steep declines, declines, were suddenly reversed in the 1960s.

2:27:13 Nowhere was rampant violence and other social pathology as common among low-income people in the first half of the 20th century, when they were more deprived, as in the second half, when the welfare state had made them better off in material terms." Again, It's not the intention of anybody enacting the welfare state to cause increases in violence, but it happened. This is where the... Or is it? Yeah, really, exactly, it happened. This is exactly where the phrase

2:27:51 I'm from the government I'm here to help comes from. A war on poverty, would it create? Well, kind of poverty. War on drugs? War on terror, anybody? What was the trade-off for that help? Yeah, but also I'd like to point out that and this is always seen as a Republican grand old party conservative, right-wing, crazy-ass talking point. But I can tell you from listening to this and the learning, minimum wage is actually racist. Here's the problem with minimum wage. You keep less entry workers from working. And what I mean by entry workers is, you build your work ethic at 13, 14, 15 years old.

2:28:51 Started working 14. I mean I pestered my mom and dad about getting a work a worker's permit Start working at 14 15 years old when you get in the habit of work getting a paycheck spending your money Messing up your money blowing your money realizing, you know, you learn some things along the way Right. So by the time you get 20, you know, you got it figured out. Hopefully, you know that I need to Spend less money than I make or I'll end up a slave debt slave nonetheless, but the slave it is When you have kids on the sideline at 16 17 18 years old and never held a job Because the guys looking well, I had to pay him $8 an hour where I could pay them $4 an hour how to of them I can only hire one of them

2:29:45 And you have all these other... This is the problem with minimum wage. And the thing is, is when you let more people in the workforce, it's gonna create competition and, you know, the competition is gonna drive up the wages naturally. And I don't wanna sound like, you know, like an economist or, you know, that kind of thing, but it just makes sense that way. But he said I don't think they did it on purpose or did they? Oh, come on. Gee who's big on minimum wage Bernie Sanders? Number one minimum wage guy. He knows how it works. You got it almost think he's evil

2:30:24 Right, and then they bring up the welfare state and part of the welfare state was no man in the house And this is where I have to give you and John credit these next three clips were discussed on no agenda way before there was a mo fact and I got people think you come here Adam law. He's getting there No, you are all around this thing like, you know at the edges like no man the house and you know, DOS, you know, but it was It wasn't... I was a diamond in the rough. I needed to be plucked and shaped into the jewel that I'm becoming. You were willing to do the work, but there was no work available. I didn't know what plateau to work on. Yeah, exactly. I had no context. No one giving me anything in the quote-unquote mainstream media or anything that I could look at until you came along. Absolutely. It just wasn't there.

2:31:23 But you were there, because I mean, if you want to get into 27. Before we moved into Pruitt-Igoe, the welfare department came to our home. They talked with my mother about moving into the housing project, but the stipulation was that my father could not be with us. They would put us into the housing project only if he left the state. Yeah, people really don't know this. This is still such an unknown fact and I was alive when this was taking place.

2:32:11 But you were covering this, because like I said, this comes from a Noah Jim-Dee set of clips. Yeah, I hear you. And we were probably going like, wow, how about that? That's weird. What's up with that? No one ever talks about this. And of course, I never knew the whole background to it. But yeah. Now you ask, was it done on purpose? Or was it, no, just, oh, well, we screwed that one up. And if you did screw it up, OK, save you. It was truly a mistake. No, hold stop. It can't be a mistake. They had armed guards or tattletale brown shirts running around to make sure that this wasn't taking place. No man in the house. That's a program. That's not a mistake. I'm just going to give it a benefit of the doubt because that's what I do. If it was a mistake and this was happening in the 1940s, 50s, 60s,

2:33:08 Why haven't we fixed that? Why haven't we put the energy and say, hold on, how do we get the men back in the house? You know, black families, you get a double tax credit. Anything, there's a whole bunch of ways to do it. Of course, you can stimulate that easily. But that's not what they did. What they did was out let and then when DNA showed up, okay, let's ramp up the family courts and let's have a fight over that, you know, the man's check. Yeah, let's do it on Jerry Springer. Let's make it into a circus. Omari, you know, we talked about that before where it was just nothing but a that's really a game show. Yeah. And then it's no sweat off the off of the government's brow because you got to think like this if

2:33:57 He is the father, he has to pay for it. If he doesn't pay for it, he goes to jail. If he goes to jail, that's free labor for us. And then guess what? His kids are probably going to be criminals too. And that's two or three more future workers in our industrial complex, industrial prison complex. Yeah, when you say it like that, it sounds pretty sick. It doesn't sound too good, does it? I'm just saying and I haven't seen any resolution say, hey, how do we get those? We get those men back in the house.

2:34:36 None of that. It's more of the same thing. But let's get more into the no man in the house from no agenda. The welfare department had a rule that no able-bodied man could be in the house if a woman received aid for dependent children. If a man lost his job, he's looking for work, he still had to leave the home. And there was even a night staff of men who worked for the welfare department. whose job was to go to the homes of the welfare recipients and they searched to find if there was a man in the home. Isn't that crazy? If people really knew this, which is so easy to find, I mean it's not that long ago. And just to give her historical context of this,

2:35:24 I live with my grant. I told no I've told the story before but just I'm gonna give the short version I could live with them they lived in low-income apartments with a lot of a where for single mothers and When the wherefare people will come this is 1980s this had to be 84 85. Yeah, you would see all the men running out dooring out Yeah, so this is not 1940 50s or 60s. These things are still going on in 1980s so it's not it's not and and We could talk about how all what we talked about and previously feeds into this This is nothing. This is nothing new and it's nothing old either. I mean, I know What does he mean? What is nothing new? Because it existed for so long and it's nothing old because it existed for so long if I if I made myself clear Go ahead. Well, it's just it's not exposed. I

2:36:23 There's no incentive for anyone in charge to expose these. I mean, because it's so easy to take that up until 1980s to the entire baby mama culture, everything we witness now, the end result being 75% of children growing up with no father in the house, and that's of course not just black now, it's all colors of the rainbow. It's created a very destructive culture. And to speak of things that we haven't spoke, we spoke on the crack epidemic, which that plucked men out of the house. Yeah. And it's at a tremendously high rate. Before that, you had Vietnam, which disproportionately impacted black men, plucked them out of the household and then it sent them back home with the drafts and act drafts. Yeah. With drafts, which sent them back home with alcohol or alcoholism or heroin. Yeah. Or dealing with just,

2:37:20 It'll affect the war itself. Yeah. Which, you know, these are all things we're about to discuss. Like I said, we haven't even... Scratch the surface of the surface on the bottom And so again, I'll remind everybody who's made it up to this point What's being discussed on the street in the media is? well you just hate that person because of the color of his skin and these problems are because you you a bad white person or you're an ungrateful this or that it's really is so unrelated to the core issue that It's just a cover-up

2:38:00 Just to cover up and and you and the people that's supposed to be voicing it do it so abrasively That it's a non-starter which we always on the show We try to diffuse or avoid non starters because we want to have a conversation We want people to go to the table and you know and work it out, but I guess we can wrap up with the final No agenda, no man clip. I remember I vividly my mother telling us if white people come to the house and ask you guys questions tell them that your father is not here tell them that your father has never been here you've not seen your father i trusted her i knew that there was a reason that we had to to do this charade and i participated in the charade i i sat there and looked those people in the eye and told them what the what the what the

2:38:51 I'm sure earnestness. No, I have not seen my father and no, my daddy does not live here. And, uh, but I knew that was lying and that made me wonder who are these people and how they have the power to make my mother lie. We're giving you money. We want to be able to control you. We're giving you money. So we have the right to make stipulations.

2:39:31 as to how you use it and what you use it for. Yeah, exactly. That's how you do it. And I say to people all the time, it starts with us. It starts with us. How do you think UBI is going to play out? It's going to start with you. No, we're giving you money. Oh, I know. We're giving you money and this is what you're going to do. This is how we control you. Yeah. Take this shot. Go here. Don't go there. Don't move at these times. Well, that's always the control. Absolutely. You give people money, you got control. And that's the importance of our conversation that we have each week and we follow the model laid out to us by... Go ahead. Laid out by the one and only Malcolm X. Here he is. Listen carefully. First, the white man and the black man have

2:46:17 With that said, we saw the no man's house, the welfare system come about, welfare state, excuse me, come about. So the media had to get in on the act and this comes from episode 12, and this is the media, MLK, and the Civil Rights Movement 1. As a story, the civil rights movement had it all. Good versus evil. Drama. Social upheaval. But at first, America's major media ignored it, especially in the South. It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the issue. Congressman John Lewis says that the movement's leaders realized to bring change, they needed to reach white Americans. How did you do that? As a movement, we literally

2:47:09 put our bodies on the line. The influence on the civil rights coverage. Hank Libinoff co-wrote The Race Beat, a book about the media and the movement. Well race was a big story in the South beginning in the 40s and 50s, it's just that no one knew about it. Finally by 1957 major northern newspapers discover the drama and the story. How do you feel about integrated passengers? The television networks followed. Even major southern media paid attention. to the open hatred. You've got to keep the white and the black separate. And the violent response to peaceful protest. If you're going to beat us, beat us in the light of day. Beat us while the camera's on. This was Selma, Alabama, 1965, among the bloodied John Lewis. American people could not stand it. To see young children and old women

2:48:04 Been knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police dogs. Yeah, it was a golden era man once we got it on TV. Oh Was it you heard me say it so they had a dramatizing that's right now what was going on behind the scenes? A lot of black people, just like now, how they try to paint us as a monolith, a lot of black people in those times didn't want integration. They wanted separate but equal. Like, let us have our own community, let us have our own schools, you know, give us the proper funding. It was more of a governmental issue. It's not like I want to live on the same block as you. I just want to make sure

2:48:40 About paying my taxes. You get the same services as everybody else, same level. And it wasn't even commercial, it was more with the government. Yeah, government services. School, healthcare, everything. Yeah, I mean... They went a little overboard on the healthcare with the Planned Parenthood stuff, but you know it came from a good heart, Mo. Yeah, right. But that was the thing is that I honestly believe, now I will say a lot of those leaders are probably naive, And thought, oh, we have the integration thing. That's a good compromise. But when you, and not because I'm not pushing for segregation in itself, but I'm not pushing for forced integration either, which I think is a very bad idea when you take people and just smash them together and like y'all deal with it. I mean, the government says that, you know, we're going to put, and the reason why I say this is just getting a lot of personal, you know,

2:49:39 Reflection for me my dad was moved and his senior year to an integrated school. Hmm. I hated it. He was bust Well, the town was small enough to... There was no bus. Okay, he could walk. He walked there. But it was like, no, you can't go to the school, these schools that you went to for your last 11, 12 years. So in that context, how important is the president's, current president's school choice initiative? Is that hitting home? Is that making an impact? Yes, because It gives you the power, it gives parents the power to choose where you spend the money and where you make the school better, right? Right, and along with integration came social promotion. Whereas my dad would tell me if you were 13 years old in the third grade, if you couldn't read on the third grade level, you wouldn't go nowhere with black teachers. Right. Whereas when you went over to, you know, integrated schools, they were just like,

2:50:36 Well, we'll help him out a little let him slide. Well, you're dead if you do you damn I don't want to be too hard because if you keep telling all these black kids all your races, you know And then if you don't if you do pass them long, they can't read all your races. So either way you can't win. Yeah, I So it's like the thing that will bring you the less amount of grief is just like pass them on, pass them on, pass them on. Path of least resistance, yep. Exactly. And it's destructive, it's so destructive and people don't see it. This has been going on so long, no wonder people are having such trouble with this. They think they've been doing all these good things. And I guarantee you, when Kamala Harris talked about busing, you know, whatever and however she felt about it, what's true when she was there to slam Biden, I think a lot of people heard that for the first time.

2:51:28 They'd never heard of this. They didn't know what it was about, didn't get it, and then it's like, really? You were made to do that? Well, that's just crazy. And you, I think they were, going along with the clips here, they were indoctrinated with the little black girl with her school books, and you have rank and file of white people, go, go home, we don't want you here. You know, that's the mental Abuse abuse abuse and the mental imagery that's painted with that when you want to say when you say school choice It's all we're going back to segregate schools. We've already been there. I mean, that's basically what people do they go and Cycles in their kids. They send their kid to private schools. She's like well, I don't want my kids going with school with poor kids Not necessary black kids. I mean, that's what Joe Biden said, but you know, I won't go there. Oh

2:52:17 But yeah, they used the media or the media used they thought they were using the media but actually the media were using them to make inroads as we talked about MLK and JFK to have Strengthen their political base. We will dramatize this whole situation by marching by the fire television also found Martin Luther King. The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. will face the nation. Americans heard a leader who shattered racial stereotypes. We feel that the time has come for a full-scale assault on the system of segregation. This man is someone you could actually talk to and who seemed quite reasonable and for white southerners this was new information.

2:53:04 and part of a national awakening. It was the media that carried our message to the rest of the nation. Protest became progress once the media woke up and Americans rose up. Mark Strassman, CBS News, Atlanta. And I'd just like to point out that this is the point where Malcolm X was no longer in the picture, could not get the same media attention. It was all MLK. But he had the people. Oh, yeah. See, that's the difference. Like, everybody was like, they're with King now and, you know, because of the product Martin Luther King. Like I said, I'm not going to denigrate him anyway. But we also have to attack the narrative that was being used, that he's used to fuel. Like I said, he's agreeable. And, you know, he's shadows the stereotypes. What are those stereotypes? I mean, I don't understand what they're trying to say there.

2:54:03 What were you thinking beforehand? Like, oh, they can't... Oh, there's one that can form a sentence. Let's talk to him. He's very articulate. That's the that's the that's that's no that's what Joe Biden said about Barack Obama by the way, and he's clean He'd be perfect for president gosh we should elect that guy Yeah, you don't have to say I think the point is made no because this is Them picking our leaders for us. Yeah, it's like now Patrice colors and the whole black lives matters and even talcum mix over there Sean King How do you get to pick our leaders?

2:54:50 I would rather hear from the lady who was doing the genealogy work. If you want to talk about somebody who's actually in the field doing the work, let's hear from her. Right. And this of course also explains people who are doing the work for themselves and then Adam Curry shows up and says, hey, you know, Ados, and I can understand it's a knee-jerk reaction like, oh, what are you trying to lead us now? I get that. I get that. Not offended, by the way. Right, but we also got to judge our allies a little better too. That's okay. Yeah. No, no I'm just saying in general because it's some great Opportunities out there that you might run off by you know, just judging somebody so quickly Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest with you, which I always am but mm-hmm. I feel privileged I feel privileged because I can go out and speak my mind because for good or worse the society and we're in is

2:55:42 I can always say, oh, but look, here's my friend over here. This is who I'm learning it from. So I have like a shield, which is not entirely fair, but I do have it and I use that subconsciously or consciously. I feel good. You won't hear me say, well, my black friend Moe. I don't say that, but I've been learning a lot with my friend Moe. And so... And it's more than me, it's the information. Yeah, well of course. You can knock down those narratives and it's like, oh yeah, what about this? It's like, no, no, and you slice them up. That's not gonna fly. Right, so I guess what I'm saying is I want everyone who's listening to this to use MoFax

2:56:25 MoFax with Adam Curry as that shield that you can point people toward and say, well here's where I've learned it and here's who I'm learning it from and here's the information that's being presented and please counter that so people can feel a bit better about themselves, about speaking the truth and being honest. Yeah, like they say, the truth will set you free. It doesn't ever. Well, countering the narrative of the MLK and the civil rights movement, our guy Malcolm X He was all about the ballot for the bully and black nationalism The black nationalism only means that the black man should control the politics and the politicians in his own community the time

2:57:14 The time when white people can come in our community and get us to vote for them so that they can be our political leaders and tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone. By the same token, the time when that same white man, knowing that your eyes are too far open, can send another Negro into the community and get you and me to support him so he can use him to lead us astray, those days are long gone. They were long gone until they came back. How sad is it? And this is what year?

2:58:00 Think this is 1963 three. I believe 63. Yeah, and the thing is it's common sense Every other group does this is that when you go talk to you know, that's how you know Hispanics they don't you know people either look like them or aligned to their their political ideology with us is Here now you acquiesce to what he's telling you or she's telling you that's not how politics work and the reason why I'm just opposing MLK to Malcolm X is not to cause any fissure between the two because both of them when you actually get to know the men and make great points, it's that we need we are at the point now

2:58:49 A lot of black people like we want to pick for ourselves and we want to hear what you have to offer and if you don't have anything to offer or anything that's going to sustain me, you have no inroads to my vote. And they were here, no, what, 60 years ago? Let me, 50, 60 years ago? And it was, what do they do? They gave us black politicians. That was the new black preacher, was the black politician. It's like, here you go, here's a guy that looks like you, but when they go in the black caucus, they vote all the things that don't help us. Or they even brought John Lewis in, the guy who was on TV. And once he got in there, once you become part of the system, Yeah, that's where it goes wrong. It makes you, it's just like what we were talking about, once you need your own land, and

2:59:46 That I know we're talking about agriculture, but the same thing here. You need your own land. You need your own area, your own space. Let's use that word. They love to use that word. You need your own space. That way we can have a communication within ourselves and say, what do we really need? All right. We're 75% illegitimate, illegitimacy rate. We need more fathers. Yeah, what else do we need? We need skills. Because we don't have anybody to build these things for us, but I don't want to belabor the point, but I'm just saying that we can go over some of these ballot to bullet clips, but maybe let's just jump to straight to five. Because I mean, he kind of, you know, regurgitates the point over and over again, but

3:00:31 for brevity of the show this is jump straight to five 22 million black victims of Americanism are waking up and they're gaining a new political consciousness becoming politically mature and as they become develop this political maturity they're able to see the recent trends in these political elections. They see that the whites are so evenly divided that every time they vote, the race is so close they have to go back and count the votes all over again. Which means that any block, any minority that has a block of votes that stick together is in a strategic position. Either way you go, that's who gets it. You're in a position to determine who'll go to the White House and who'll stay in the doghouse. You're the one who has that power.

3:01:23 Guys, it's so good to hear that. It's so good to hear that, man. It really is. It really is. It's like he was looking at it. He was in a time machine and coming to this very moment. He was from the future. And this is the points that we laid out in the most recent shows. Black men hold this election in our hand. And it doesn't take us to go vote for Donald Trump or, you know, it just only takes us not to vote. That's what's scary. I'm telling you, that's what's scary for the Democrats. It's not that they have to activate us. I want to say that we were talking about this on a previous episode and someone got really mad and said, I can't believe that you just went along with Mo saying I'm not gonna vote. It's un-American. And I say,

3:02:09 There's nothing in the Constitution that says you have to exercise your vote by casting it for a certain person. It is the power that that one vote holds that you can use, as far as I'm concerned, any way you want to use it. And if you want to take a bribe for it, fine. It's your vote. I mean that. You know, if you want to sell it, it doesn't matter. But if you want to withhold it, it's just as powerful a message. Just as powerful. Can I explain that for a minute? Because I get, I get, you got it once, I get it, I got it baby. 10, 15 times. Let me explain to you when I say not to vote. If you want to vote your local elections for your school board or those kind of votes or a proposition that you want to vote yay or nay for, that's fine. What I'm saying is in the presidential election and even national elections in general, let's just say that. The reason why people say, why don't you vote for a third party or why don't you write yourself in?

3:03:13 It's the symbolism of one number voter turnout if we can drive that number down so low That's a message. We started this show out on episode number one on that point. They realize I think it went under like 56 I believe or something like that. It was some it was Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 56 I think so if it comes in at 49 45 What that tells both political parties, oh they're in play. Here's the pitfall though, here's the pitfall. The way the media is today...

3:03:50 They will spin this and make it something that it's not. That's what you gotta be careful for. Of course! It'll be voter suppression, exactly. The black man was not allowed to vote because the evil Republican Party and the white men, it could be any party, suppressed it with it because he didn't have an ID or whatever the hell they're gonna come up with. That's exactly right! But let us speak for ourselves when they come to make that claim. We'll let them know. No! We know what we were doing. You didn't give us a viable option on the table. We chose not to participate. It's far more because if you go and vote third party, it masks the disapproval or the disappointment we have in the current option.

3:04:36 That's what we're trying to signify here. It's not about being lazy or, you know, I don't want to go out and I don't want to make a choice. No, it consciously, I'm speaking for myself here, consciously, and I hope other black men are thinking the same way I am, or at least will hear me out. If we're making a conscious decision to say, okay, you got this guy over here, you got a $500 billion plan. By us not voting it's gonna symbolize that and give us access to that so be it I'm not doing anything for him right but Democrats you're not gonna use me to block him either because what have you put on the table? It's about political is about being politically mature and what when they come around with that you know the narrative. Oh, you know we're gonna get blamed I'm sorry to prepare yourself for

3:05:26 Black men didn't save the Republic, you know, I mean, no, it's gonna do this to another four years. Uh-oh. No orange man. Well, we're gonna blame it on Kanye. Obviously, that's where it starts blaming a Kanye and his voters and his voters, of course, and I think Kanye's jumping on that grenade for this very purpose. That's fine with us because when they want to come, you know what if you want to be that ignorant? continue to do what you do and see what happens in the next four years. And what I'm speaking about is this is not no lifelong commitment, this is a four cycle, four year cycle, even two year. I mean, it depends on what you're putting on the midterm ballots. But yeah, where's the tangibles?

3:06:07 So yeah, I know I get a lot of that pushback. Oh, you're not going to vote. You need to vote. Go vote for yourself. No, it's this is a conscious and deliberate effort to push that number down as far as we can so they can see that's all they understand the metrics. That's all they understand. And they say, oh, what Malcolm X say? He said when there's a voting block available. Don't take my word for it. I mean try it out take it take it take it over Malcolm X until they give us something then we don't have to um deal with them. With that said these male leaders had to go. Yep. Here comes the CIA agent. Gloria at the festival you work for the independent research service. That's right.

3:06:53 Well, exactly when did your own association with the CIA start and in what fashion? Did they come to you or did you go to them? In 1958, when I came home from India, I discussed with student leaders past and present, many of them active with the National Student Association, this kind of small foundation to encourage Americans to go. They thought it was a good idea too. I was then told by foundations and professors and friends that I should not do this, that I would get in trouble with the House Un-American Activities Committee, the American Legion, all of those fifties people. And I became convinced that it was impossible.

3:07:43 It was at that point that the student leaders said to me that they had in the past received funds for international programs from the CIA and that they felt that this was important and could also be partly funded by the CIA. Ah yes, the Gloria Steinem story. Episode 21 of MoFax if you want to listen to it in context. But yes, here comes the feminist group into the mix. So I know you're saying, Mo, how does that play in? So what we're going to do is we're going to cut to the chase and go straight to 39 and say how Gloria Steinem targeted black women. In 1978, Gloria Steinem put a book called Black Macho and the Myth of the Superwoman on the cover of Ms. Magazine. The book was written by a black feminist and activist named Michelle Wallace.

3:08:31 who came out of nowhere. Wallace was in her early 20s at the time, yet she was being touted as the leader of black feminism. In the book, Wallace called abolitionists like Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth ugly and stupid for supporting black men. She called black revolutionaries chauvinist macho pigs. and advised black women to go it alone. Gloria Steinem said that Wallace's book would define the future of black relationships, and she pushed hard to make sure the book received massive publicity. Gloria Steinem's work triggered a flood of hate black men books and films that continues to this day.

3:09:08 Needless to say, some were quite suspicious of Ms. Magazine and Gloria Steinem. Why was Steinem sticking her nose into the affairs of the black community? So people started doing some research on Steinem. When it came out that Gloria Steinem was probably the ghost writer of the book with Michelle Wallace's name on it, Wallace had a nervous breakdown and went into hiding for two years. And I'll take a stab at translating that to today. Not only do we not have any male leadership of note in Black Lives Matter Inc., or the movement for that matter, right now, and I have it on my clip list for no agenda or maybe for us in the next episode,

3:09:49 The message now going out from Democratic Party operatives is the most abused person in America is the black woman. And funny you say that. I didn't step on you did I? No, no. You know the source of that? What they're using for that? And they're gonna back up that claim? Hit me. Malcolm X. They're taking this totally out of context because... No way! Yes, I'll find that clip because he actually said that when he was talking about the women in the context of the time he was speaking of. Right. Not now because post his death and post MLK's death, the agencies and the liberals cut deals with black feminists

3:10:43 I mean if you talk to him now, Gloria Stiles is a hero to them. Oh yeah. Wow. It's funny that they talked about it. I didn't know that. I didn't know that they were using a quote from Malcolm X out of context. And by the way, that's, you know, danger Will Robinson. We got to make sure that's counteracted because that's really, really horrible to do that. How did you think I knew exactly where the source was? I saw that cropping up myself. These narratives, this is what we do here. We identify the narratives and diffuse them before they're used. And that's exactly what they're doing. They're going to take his quote, twist it. And if you spoke to Malcolm X now, he will be completely horrified, horrified with how black lives matter. And you know, those groups are carrying themselves. So yeah. So good job, Adam. I've been doing the work, Mr. Mole. I feel good now. Extra credit. Hold on a second. They always give me a biscuit. I'm getting a biscuit. I'm taking my own biscuit. Yeah. So

3:11:46 This final clip, this is a black Vietnam vet. He went and served his country and he speaks the frustration that black men have with people that think we want something for free or we just want something, a handout or something. And I thought a good way to wrap this show up because it's kind of the sentiment now of black men. Like we don't want anything less or more than the old us. You know, this revolution is filled with so many ironies, really. First you tell us that it is manly to keep your word. Alright? If you are a man, you keep your word. And now all that the black people in this country are demanding, and even the black people in the whole world are demanding, is that you keep your word. You told us we were free. Well then, show us that we're free.

3:12:43 You told us that there is justice, equality for all in this country. Well then stick to your word and let us see the justice and equality for all. Or else admit to us that you're not a man, you're a worm, you're afraid of us, you're afraid to give us equal stand. You're afraid that if you give us equal ground that we will match you and we will override you. And if that's what you're afraid of, then tell us just what you're afraid of. But don't keep hiding it from us and holding this up to us and every time we ask you for something, you give us a little bit of something and it's all tokenism. We don't want tokenism. And there are most black men in this world that don't want charity. And yet still every time we ask you for something, you give us a little piece, a little piece. You're playing games with us. We're not children.

3:13:31 And when I look at YouTube, there are so many black men now. with this type of language and this type of vibe and mission and you can... Now it may just be the algo spitting that out at me, I don't know, but I see it and I think it's good and I think it's happening. It's not just the algo because it's happening in real life because

3:14:14 You start when you talk to people you haven't talked for a while. They'll get we'll fill each other out like, what do you think about this? No, it's we're getting on message. We're getting on code. We're going to take back our families, take back our communities and. you know, steer this thing in the right direction. And whoever's not on board, I feel sorry for them. And number one is, I like your starting point, take back our families first. And that flies right back to our donation note about big brothers and big sisters. Exactly. Start with your family. We all could do better than that. No matter what color.

3:14:52 That's where you start. I mean, that's where you win the battle. Is that the at that? That's the table. Yeah, that's exactly. That's the big table. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I hope everyone enjoyed this as much as I did. It was so nice to. Even though I've been through the 49 episodes so far, and it's a lot. It's a lot to take in for anybody, but this is such a great refresher and so current for where we are today. Except of course that we need to have the big heel comeback special.

3:15:27 by the president, which I'm sure will cause all kinds of other things to crop up, but we'll be here and Mo will lead us through it and we'll deconstruct it and figure it out together. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And remember us at mofax.com, M-O-E-F-O-U-N-D-M-E.com, mofundme.com. And Mo, thank you so much, man. I had a great time. Alright, see you later Adam. Talk to you next week everybody But you gotta understand something, baby, it's gonna be a whole lot of ups and downs. I know. Sometimes you're gonna wanna smile. Sometimes you're gonna feel like crying. But I'm gonna stick right on it. But if we're gonna stay together, you know what? What? Just say la-da. We've only just begun.

3:16:29 To live, white lace and promises A kiss for luck and we're on our way Oh baby Together, together When the evening comes, girl you know I'm gonna smile. Cause I realize there's so much I want to do. We got to start out walking and learn to run.

3:17:18 We've only just begun Can't you see, can't you see we just got started baby? Can't you see, can't you see we just got started baby? We just got started baby Sometimes it's gonna be ups and downs But we just got started, baby Long as I got your love all around We just got started, baby