83: Sources and Methods

00:00 I Mo Facts with Adam Curry for June 29th, 2022. This is episode number 83! Summer's here and so are we! I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country time once again to spin that wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia Please once again say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. Mo Facts How ya doing Adam? Hey Mo it's good to hear from your brother

00:37 Man, it's good to be back in the saddle. Yeah! And get things going. We got the summer in full effect right now and I'm not quite sure what you brought for us today but I am ready for just before we hit July Just to check everything good there in Northern Virginia? Very busy, but it's good. It's all good with a very very busy so But I have another great show for the people So I guess you can spin that wheel and we'll get right on to it All right here we go spinning the wheel of topics round around it goes where it stops nobody knows well Of course Mo actually does know what will the topic be from mo facts without him curry episode number 83? This case is not legal. It is political

01:23 This case is not legal, it is political. Okay? All right, so I don't know anything yet. I have no idea what we're doing. I know people are going to think that... We're gonna talk about whatever's in the headlines? Yeah the first thing i think of is January 6th J6 the primetime purge Not it you want take another guess because I left that clip like that just to see if you can um It's in a news cycle but it kind of came and went let me see if you can get Well, I mean...I could look at the clips or that would be cheating Moe. So...ummm...uhh...Roe v Wade? Okay. Nope! Nope! But I'll help you out. Andrew Gilliam

02:06 Oh, and I saw yes. I saw one article, I think just one that he was convicted of wire fraud and you know it's like wow man this was the guy who was supposed to be the governor Florida right? And it's just the Democratic Party has completely dropped him no one comes through his defense is just over Ask yourself how much different things would be if he won in DeSantis didn't Uh, yeah. I'd say things would be very different right now! So that's why this news story piqued my interest and we can't forget the fact that this is Joe Biden's FBI Whoa wait a minute... Joe Biden's? What does the FBI have to do with Gillum?! That's his charges

02:58 Oh, oh. It's a federal case. Oh okay I didn't realize that all right crap one count of well let's just get into it clip 1 Andrew Gillum once rising Florida Democratic star has been indicted alongside one of his longtime advisors for alleged fraud tied to his campaign against Governor Ron DeSantis The 21 count indictment includes one count of lying to the FBI, one count of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and 19 counts of wire fraud. In an earlier statement NBC News Gilliam acknowledged the case but denied any wrongdoing saying quote

03:34 Every campaign I've run has been done with integrity. Make no mistake that this case is not legal, it is political." In just a few moments Gillum and his advisor Sharon Letterman Hicks are scheduled to make their first court appearance in Tallahassee Okay Well that changes things a little bit How can this be political if its the Democrats who are in charge of the Department of Justice? Well I mean, isn't that by default exactly that? If the Democrats, the Democratic Party is in charge of justice then it's all political. But this is their guy! This was Obama's guy! Yeah! In possibly more ways than one but... That's where my thinking goes right away It's like well you know this was Obama's guy maybe he needs to be shut up

04:32 Well, we're going to get into it. But I just found this these charges and they get 19 charges one charge aligned to the FBI in a world where you can't understand Hunter Biden is getting away with murder. We politicians do this kind of thing all the time when we'll get more to the charges but I just found it very strange That he would be charged but not really because I'm just gonna lay out something right here right now I've mentioned this before. These are headlines Fox News, Clyburn Inc., South Carolina Dems show showers family members with over 200K from campaign funds. Maxine Water pays daughter another 24000 in campaign cash adding up to 1.2 million previous payments. We are purging the Democratic Party

05:32 There's some particular about all these candidates. I can tell you, Lieutenant Governor Benjamin resigns for following campaign finance indictments. That's the lieutenant governor of New York. What do all these people have in common? They're all Democrats And they're all black, so-called. Yeah you're right I guess that's fun. Moe, I'm so used to not seeing color anymore that i didn't even realize it! No but I just find it strange... Huh? That all these headlines are cropping up It's kind of like stay in line don't you think about leaving this plantation Right yeah

06:17 Well, but wait a minute. So but auntie Maxine she's not leaving the plantation She is she doing something wrong? Is she not following orders they understand a grad they've lost their grassroots Right with the whole if you're just gonna get it this surface level of it You didn't get that spec that response with Roe v Wade from quote-unquote to blast at all No in fact some quite the opposite I'd say You understand the Democrats still need to vote. These Democrats in these districts still need that vote, the black vote right? And they're torn out this is my just my perspective and political calculus so they're looking at the grassroots you like well I'm Dan if i do I'm Dan if I don't because of my grassroot people don't turn out for me yeah okay right right right So you can see them easily

07:13 But was making a pivot. So I wonder if Gillum somehow was some kind of threat to the Democrats or to Obama, or whoever else is pulling the strings? Or could that be one thing or was he just using an example to say, hey. Black on black lynching man that's pretty bad well we'll get more into that because since you brought it up you see they're bringing in a new class of democrat candidates. The guy with the noose around his neck? Yeah, literally lynching... What's his name? Where is he from again? He's from Kentucky you caught me flat-footed with that one. That's okay I'll look it up but um him and then you have a guy i think out of Baton Rouge he was in this uh his campaign as smoking weed so even the Democrats know we have to go with them more

08:12 black male Charles Booker. Yes, Charles Booker that's it huh yes so I think the Democrats are pivoting you know all if you can throw an ageism as well for a few of these people mm-hmm it's like it's time for them to go and you start bringing in new people on in new class but I think this did if I had to say it this was a warning This was a shutout and I'm gonna lay out my case. So, I guess we can get into that... A lot of people may say who is Andrew Gillum? Yes! We're intimately familiar with him in his demise but this is a whole new level. Alright let's check it out And I sincerely believe that what is going to deliver us to victory in November Is the fact that there are everyday hardworking people in this state who believe

09:06 Man, did he get Joe Biden's mic guy? Because that's pretty bad. who believe, talking from inside a bucket that they deserve a voice in our government too and we're going to give it to them. I'm also a believer in science. We are going to have a governor who will work to ensure that the air that we breathe is clean, that the water that we drink is non-contaminated In addition to being the mayor of Tallahassee Florida The capital city of our nation's third largest state I'm also a father. And along with my wife, RJ we are raising two year old twins Jackson and Caroline. You cannot sit back and complain and moan and groan you gotta get involved in the political process! You got to work with Andrew to transform this state!" Okay so this was from the Washington Post that put this together

10:08 Oh, well. Okay? So this just lets you know that they were involved basically a campaign ad yeah This is when he was running in Florida so and Bernie support that was pretty big I'll You beat me to the punch sorry No, I mean it's good cuz it's like yeah, so was this kind of like he was here Bernie guy No, I don't. Because he was Green New Deal. He may of course he was progressive but yeah i just find it interesting because this guy was in some ways better than Obama well he had he was groomed from early on when you look at his Wikipedia page to be the governor and a presidential candidate Yeah should actually look that up

10:59 I mean talking about... But he had some bad skeletons in the closet though. Oh we're gonna get to that, but no different than other candidates have had! Well no except Obama they somehow they really killed people. Well shut up. This is true. So while you look up his wiki, let's go ahead and get to the part two of who is Andrew Gillum? 46% of the people in Florida today said that they cannot make ends meet at the end of the month. They're working many of them harder than ever and can't pull down a wage where they can take care themselves and their families right I know what it was like to watch my mother and my father trade between which bills they could pay before something got cut off. Praying that God, without a way forward that next week something might show up that will allow them to pay enough on the lights so they wouldn't get cut off. That experience informs

11:51 um, politics. I'm fighting for things like when Congress has this slush fund for sexual harassment settlements, I blow the whistle on that stuff so i'm not always the most popular guy in DC but I did have support from someone in Washington if you walk down Pennsylvania Avenue he lives in the White House with the pillars in front of him On behalf all of you and on behalf all people of the state of Florida We accept this nomination and look forward to November 6th when I am elected the next governor of the great state of Florida. God bless you, let's bring it home! Hmm...I heard you ring your bell? Yeah, I had a help from someone in the White House from Obama that's why i was ringing it That was...no, that was DeSantis talking

12:43 Oh crap, I couldn't even tell. He used that as a... he used that as a... Right, as a link to him to Trump Yes of course Well not he but Washington Post linked him to Trump and if he wins Florida then he's definitely 2024 is candidate. I mean, this is a big deal This is why I'm telling you. Yeah And again this went completely under the radar now and that may have been different From the sources your reading but in general like no agenda level The only it only that which means m5m That's what we track it really only bubbled up once there was one one article one headline and

13:28 Maybe Roe v. Wade happened right after it, I'm sure it was very close and when I saw it I'm like oh this is going under the radar there's a couple of things that are happening It's all being covered up or at least not covered because of the outrage of Roe v. Wade kind like Kovac Covert space The covert face yes exactly exactly Reason why I saw this guy has been Teflon Because even what happened we'll get later in send those skeletons you refer to right and he had the, I mean that was a feature just to force you out little bit to the party that will be voting for him. And so it's why now? Why this DOJ? Where is where is the protection because like you said you saw how the media ran interference and

14:28 three-letter agencies ran interference for Obama. Yeah, oh yeah and he was crowned to be the next Obama um especially since he could carry Florida so the way I saw it was because you know of course He had this big hotel room scandal that completely ruined all of his chances. That's the type of political hit job you would expect and so maybe it was Republicans but even that could have come from inside, I don't know. It could have... Goggles? I'm gonna tell your goggles right now. Oh goodness! Just a bit

15:05 Sorry, you and that time travel. I can't help it. I know. Oh what we need to do now is look at him because Obama even came out and stopped for him big time in Florida in the election against DeSantis so let's get into number five in the direction of fairness and justice, equality and opportunity that hope spreads. And it starts rippling! It enters into each of us. Can you stop for a minute? Yeah, of course I need your audio ears to listen to how...and i don't normally do this but listen to how they let Obama talk and then they have this dead space so his

16:06 Words could be resonate like that. Well, what I it's interesting you say that I heard a noise gate kick in immediately And I'm like oh shit is that my noise gate do I have a noise gate on this thing? I was blaming myself so yes That was noise gated but the fact that this was done post and that mean MSNBC put those gaps in there hmm It may have been okay, so I would love to get the source and i'm sure it's available somewhere. I know I listen to the sources like 53 minutes Okay, and and and the source there was no gap there that was put in they're not pregnant like that is

16:47 Well, they did a shitty job because you should at least have taken a sample of the crowd or something that you can insert there instead of just dead silence. I mean they killed it It's it's zero DB. Yeah, it sounds unnatural That's what piqued my interest in so I just want to let people know how the spells we got to get back on that kid yeah this is how the spells work with the mainstream media and I'll just wanna yeah and and we've seen this with them back in the day this is one of the famous example, there was a heckler. Obama had a heckler this is where it was like no no no hey but that went on for like 17 minutes but on the news President Obama dealt with a heckler today where he really lost against that heckler so the media has covered up for Obama in many ways but this is a new one I agree this isn't this is a new little trick they're doing

17:44 In the words of late Kevin Samuels, you can't make this ish up. Number five, you'll see it on the backside of the clip. Okay I'll start it over at the beginning. And with each new step we take in the direction of fairness and justice equality and opportunity that hope spreads It starts rippling! It enters into each of us We get a sense of what is possible and we remind ourselves of those better angels of our nature It's up to you. Let's make history happen right here in court

18:26 It's so positive, it's jarring. There was the Obama show in Miami today No Democrat does it quite like the 44th president He was stomping for Bill Nelson and Andrew Gillum Who is now ahead of his Republican opponent In the race for governor by almost three points on the polling average But if you were watching that rally this afternoon You probably noticed the regular interruptions by protesters Instead of using that classic Trump rhetoric I'd like to punch him in the face Here's how Obama handled it This is what I look forward to, is having a few hecklers to get me back in the mood. You know? It's like I enjoy that! You always gotta have a few in order to know you're on the campaign trail. It tells ya something interesting... That even the folks who are in charge are still mad because they're getting ginned up to be mad. That's-that's the mental- that's the mindset

19:28 You want somebody who's actually gonna work for working people? Andrew Gillum, somebody. No, isn't that interesting? Did they cover up the heckler there as well. I mean they certainly didn't play any of them. Didn't hear any of it. He brought out the heckler again! That's interesting and you were quiet about it. That's so...I like that about you Moe. You're able to not spoil a good one So uh.. I think Obama brought the heckler with him Oh shoot man Dvorak and I have

20:05 Have thought about this as well. It makes total sense. Because he was ready, and he was like oh yeah it's getting me going! Like you even heard him say get the juices going! Excellent observation. That is too funny. Alright so I guess we'll get number six First of all i watched all of Oprah's events yesterday. I watched all of them. Oprah has become Obama and Obama has become Oprah but they are really undeterred by Trump's negative. They are embodying Michelle Obama as when they go low, we go high but the difference between 16 and 18 seems to be that they want that to translate into big victories? Well Oprah yesterday just really blew my mind in how she was so inspirational and she was urging everyone to be part of something bigger than themselves it's bigger then their day-to-day sacrifice that is about our ancestors' sacrifice about their ancestor's sacrifice

20:58 And that's something you just never see in Donald Trump's rhetoric. It's not ever about serving your country, it's always about him exactly so I think that's why its refreshing to hear a message that is about what you can do for other people and what you can do for your country and make yourself better in the process too The other thing thats remarkable about Obama seeing each parties best surrogates on the stump If you've won twice, like Obama has... You're really good at this and you are made better by the hecklers. I mean, I watched that speech and his whole vibe changed after he got heckled. He's, do you want to fight? I gotta fight! I still got fighting me Yeah, I think you're right Moe. You nailed it It's rent a heckler It's the glass of water Yep yep yep It's the- y'know uh I'm a firm believer that beer gate was

21:51 staged. Oh, yeah firm believer that Because it just happened to be Henry Louis Gates People of all people But uh Yeah So you heard Obama was in rare form coming out for his guy Gillum? Yeah and And I could say just imagine is like one of those 9-11 questions like what if not 11 never happened What if this vote? Do you think that Gillum actually could have won Florida do you think he had that shot? I mean it was pretty close if I recall during the the leader with the machines Yeah, but we'll get to that maybe a little later It wasn't definitely going on

22:41 I digress, but let's go ahead and get to number seven. He would always talk about how he'd be the game night player. Yeah! He waited for the lights to go on for him to really step into his game and in this case it was The Hecklers. And sure... It is such a dissonance. His tone, his energy versus what we're seeing from the current president which you've used President Trump is all about grievance and anger and Obama is much more about hope than trying up with people who talking to now the cynical take of Democrats would be this. President Obama not running again Oprah Winfrey, at least not now is not a candidate. They don't seem to have a current political figure who perhaps could run for office or president in a couple of years who possesses that type of charisma and energy we just saw there. You laughed out loud during the moment when I couldn't talk about that? Well again it's not only an aberration from what we're seeing from this president but its also not representative on the stump from Democrats its really different tone

23:39 You know, Abernathy's not giving that speech. He is saying not only will I lock up Trump but bring my own handcuffs right? So we are seeing on the left you know Eric Holder when they go low we'll kick them Hillary we can't be civil there is an energy on the left for we're sick of this unity crap We're sick of hope and change we want blood But the brightest stars in this cycle are Gillum, who I think has embodied a lot of Obama's vibe. I think Bezos too. Beto and Stacey Abrams! So I wouldn't put Avenatti into front-runner category It's amazing how my head is in the middle of all this stuff and how quickly you forget Right And of course it comes rushing back just hearing these clips with oh yeah he was the golden child totally

24:28 He was the guy and you could hear all he brings the positivity, but Avenatti so she mentioned Avenatti. Yes They brought him up Let's do some parallels here because you said something about Obama I was gonna put it in the show there may be something more for lost tapes But Larry Sinclair yes that would be the equivalent to Stormy Daniels? Yeah, oh yeah, she right Right, even with having weird lawyers. That lawyer for Larry Sinclair was a piece of work He actually wore a kilt Oh my goodness! It's been so long ago Yeah you're right

25:12 how they amplified Stormy Daniels. But most people don't even know what I'm talking about when i say Larry Sinclair unless you're in deep yes well, I'm gonna put Larry Sinclair in the show notes for everybody okay so check him out he made some explosive claims about drugs and he had receipts while he had literal he had literal receipts And this makes me wonder, well we'll get there. So you heard they were all in for Gillum the whole Democratic Party was in their form what happened? You know that's what we need to figure out but... Well what happened is Joe Biden happened I'd say that would be the number one thing But if we say this because I don't want to make sure

26:12 Being double-minded is maybe the best word. This is Obama's treepeat, or three-peat. Yes this one, this Joe Biden term? Yes So this is actually Obama's DOJ that has got him in the pimp belt I don't know if it still goggles or not but so what Go ahead What I'm feeling now Is Obama has someone in mind and we've gotta clear everybody out of the way who might interrupt that flow Exactly. Big mic for president everybody! Big niche maybe, because that would give him four and five and now we're talking FDR territory or his papa poppy who had a nice little run there as well. Sure did

27:08 I think those flags are still have flag for him. But let's see, so this is kind of seeped out during that election and I think it was in 2018 when they had their governor race down there. So let's go ahead and get into this revelation about Gillum number eight On the FBI investigation, I and Nour is a city of Tallahassee on an FBI investigation. We have been completely cooperative in their process we've made every public record that we have available to the public on a searchable website what we said is that if anyone has done anything illegal or untoward they oughta be held fully accountable for it contrast that how DeSantis and Trump dealt with the FBI they've undermined them even going so far as to suggest a deep state

28:03 Now, my point is that I've served for 15 years not by doing wrong but by doing right. I do have friends that have been a member of the lobby court and they were friends before they were ever members of the lobby court but that in no way should suggest that i would do anything illegal or inappropriate My integrity is intact and it has always been intact And I get the criticisms from my opponents But I want people to measure me and value me by what i've done. A new poll out just this afternoon from public policy polling shows Gillum has a four-point lead over Republican Ron DeSantis Yeah, I remember it now Four point leads! Now we gotta gray that on the curve because

28:47 posters definitely had a tilt to him. But he was under investigation during the race, but not say under investigation but it was some loose threads hanging out there and if you go to his Wikipedia page and this is not to get down on Gillum this is to say he's had protection before why now? Why get thrown up under the bus like that when you only had to have it prosecute their case? Was he making any noise was there heat on him about maybe running for 2024. Was there anything that you picked up

29:33 Let's listen to number nine and then we can get maybe the answer your question. You know, I remember in 2018 when we had the recount and we were down there in Broward County and every single vote truck that was coming in seals were broken on the back it really was a primer for what they did in 2020 and 2018 in Florida with the gubernatorial election And early on in 2017, Alex late 2017 early 2018 I reported that Andrew Gillum was having gay drug-fueled orgies. I reported he was involved with these lobbyists when he was mayor of Tallahassee getting them sweetheart deals and when you look at the indictment that came out yesterday 19 counts of wire fraud and then lying to the FBI some of the key players involved in

30:21 that remain unnamed, but you can tell by the transactions and the monies that went through are the same exact people I was talking about. And they said Jake, if you can't talk about his sexuality it doesn't matter and I said no its not about his sexuality its about being compromised because if he got elected governor and he was doing this kind of stuff that he's doing in his private life now three years later when we exposed him in the hotel room passed out covered in vomit after the orgy What would have happened in our state, Alex? What would have happened in Florida? What kind of crooked developer what kind of crooked globalist. What kind of crooked Soros scheme was going to be pushed through because they had the goods on him?" Yeah he was pretty much compromised So this is Jacob Ingalls and he's the one that uh... He just for full transparency he is a conservative leaning reporter but he also is gay

31:17 So you have to kind of throw that out the window. You know what I'm saying? Like, the binary of heterosexual against homosexual they're both gay so that's the thing he didn't expose him because he's gay. I'm sure he exposed him for political gain but he makes some claims that 2018 in Florida was a test run for what happened in 2020 with the elections Could that be, that's why I wanted to play that clip. Could that be the loose thread that Gillum presents? Possibly this is all...I know you're going somewhere with this so i'm a little lost right now. There are 20 different... Tell me where you at because I've laid out a lot here! So I'm still at okay at the basis of this third term Obama agree

32:11 And he's looking for a fourth and it's the same thing. He has someone in mind, and it certainly isn't Andrew Gillum. Right because the things that he's been identified as quote unquote negatives Him coming, you know what I'm saying? Being outed as a quote-unquote gay man. That's positive to his party! Was that... but that wasn't known was it? It was on the DL He has a wife and kids Right he does have a wife and kids And that's one of the things that could be negative But For his first wife certainly We'll get there Oh boy alright We'll get there No but its just that Im trying

33:00 I'm trying to wrap my head around this Department of Justice hasn't done anything to any politician. Now all of a sudden you get the guy, oh i think they got him on uh they was investigating one time for Hamilton tickets he's had a sketchy past. I'm not gonna say that whatever it is like you have a corruption and misuse investigation section in wiki yeah there's some smoke there But not that can't be covered up by a party that looks at you as a serious 2024 contender. Oh, no of course the party could do everything! Yeah the party could do all kinds of stuff for them, of course This looks like an inside job to me Yes! That's what it looks like Totally Or is it that the FBI is fragmented and this is a rogue red cell?

33:53 I don't see much evidence of that. You see how they're embarrassing these Trump people and arresting them at airports, throwing him in leg irons and shit? So it's a pretty radical FBI but I don't see them doing much good for the Reds The way I see this going down is hey Andrew if it's Blue helping Blue It's like hey Andrew you mind stopping by the office We need to talk to you for a little bit come in the back door phone call from Mr. Gillum? It's not headlines, it's not head... this is not the way it goes so we got to put 2020 out there the walkingness that went down with election he may have some inside knowledge today and maybe that's why they you know sought to clean him up but let me get into part two of Jacob Ingalls

34:49 I think Alex, they saw him as a future political commodity but they saw him as a little bit of a free spirit. So i think what happened there he hires the male escort couple of other people are in the room and they're doing these really extreme things and remember in the police report they didn't release the police body cam footage but in the police report when the police entered the room he was so incoherent he could barely stand he was falling Over he couldn't speak. He couldn't even give a statement So I think something something is afoot there where maybe he went off the leash a little bit and they had well, man They may have forced drugged him to I mean he may be the victim. I'm not much. I mean this looks really bad

35:31 Yeah, and that's a potential thing too because just seeing that defibrillator... The point is this is how they get back to the defibrillator. Exactly! This is how they compromise people talk about the defibrillator for folks who don't know what it is That's the paddles they use or restart your heart who the hell has that? Well, interestingly enough the male escort that was with Gilliam happened to be a emergency room nurse who brought his whole kit with him. So very powerful drugs that are not on the street... So they were it looks to me speculatively like they were really getting ready to drug him out of his mind and compromise him and in case that happened they had a defibrillator there this who should be indicted my view is the people that brought defibrillators all these drugs

36:13 Well, and let's get even more into this. Why hasn't the body cam footage been released where we would see the faces of the other men in the room? We know there was a male prostitute but we don't know the other two individuals in the room why is that? Why can't that footage be released? It's very dark down this rabbit hole Moe Okay, new perspective. I didn't know any of this. This is good! I like it okay so we could have spy versus spy So maybe this was a hit job by the Reds or someone to compromise him Or...or if you look at how Obama was run I'm pretty convinced he was compromised from the get-go and they've always controlled him with that

37:06 Correct. But four people in that room? Who was the other two people in the room? Because all I have to account for is Gillum and the male escort. Yeah, but where's my 60-minute interview with any of these people? And where was Hunter Biden that night? No! Stop! A drug party?! Oh stop! Wait a minute... Hey now! Hey now! A drug party without Hunter is not a party at all. Okay I'm just saying like who why was the body cam? Oh, wait. Here's a hunter right now. Come on black man you idiot Yeah So let's see here we got a drug food fuel party four people by the camera footage gets totally Epstein and We don't know who else is in that room

38:01 I tell you, this is a hell of a story. This is what I want to talk about because it's got so many moving pieces to it. So let's go back to the CBS Miami report of this event that happened in that room that night We're following breaking news now out of Miami Beach where former gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillum was involved in an incident possibly involving crystal meth in Miami Beach overnight. According to a Miami Beach incident report he was inside of a hotel room at a building on 1100 West Avenue, where a man was treated for a possible drug overdose the man was transported to the hospital another man was able to tell police what happened but when officers

38:41 went to speak to Mr. Gillum, they say he was unable to communicate because he was so inebriated. Officers report finding three small clear plastic baggies containing suspected crystal meth on the bed and the floor of the hotel room. Police report Gillum left the hotel room and returned home without incident there have been no arrests and Gillum just released a statement. It reads in part, I was in Miami last night for a wedding celebration when first responders were called to assist one of my friends while they had too much to drink. I want to be clear that I have never used methamphetamines. I apologize to the people of Florida for the distraction this has caused our movement. He went on to say he is going to spend the next few weeks with his family and appreciates the privacy at this time

39:27 Poor sucker, poor sucker. Alex may have a point. He may be the victim yeah, I when I heard that I was like okay hadn't really considered that But they say the cops talked to it third person Yeah Who was that third person and for the life of me? I can never find out who people in this room like I'd like I like your hunter Biden theory I think is Hunter Biden and Malia Obama. I mean it's obvious there. They're the drug party like a party That's right But of course it's crystal meth so that's not Hunter's thing. No, I think everything his thing. I think he is okay with that. We're laughing about this but then he just gets to walk away? I mean we fire meth on the bed and Andrew Gillum gets to walk away but now he is being

40:22 Reeled in or reined in over some maybe bookkeeping? I'll be honest with you. I don't even know exactly what, yeah wire fraud charges but that can be all kinds of stuff so I'm not even sure exactly what he did So what happened was... Here's how it read my impression because I did mention the story and didn't dive into it The impression I got was he had tried to raise funds from somebody under false pretense and that can be considered wire fraud. Yeah, they were basically had like a shell company that was raising money and then his partner which we're gonna get to later We're gonna get to the partner. But okay, let's just take the Gillen right now She was wiring the money to him from the fund and that's why you get the wire. Yes, of course yes Of course and but what was the most interesting charge to me? Was lying to the FBI

41:21 It's like they don't have to put that on there. This is Joe Biden slash Obama's FBI, right? Why the lion to the F because that's a automatic guilty when they hit you with that. Yeah cuz they pretty much have had you dead the rights when I throw their charge on it You can beat all the rest of them but that lie into the FBI now get every time is the one we've seen Get people over and over and over again now So, but he gets to walk away from a meth party. But you get brought in for moving money around which is very common in politics. Yeah and that could have been the sting or I mean there's all kinds of... That seems like a much more sophisticated way of just taking a guy down And going back let's go back to what I mentioned before The headlines Clyburn

42:17 showers family members with over 200k in campaign funds. Right, Maxine. Maxine Water pays Darta another 24K in campaign cash Now they could have easily added Pelosi which she's done with her husband and her son certainly in Ukraine but she's missing a key feature It's amazing how that I mean her husband is allegedly driving around drunk Yeah. And it's just like, oh no charges now but what we start to see these headlines that all this like that that's what starts the rabbit hole folks and I will say that is an albatross around Nancy Pelosi neck there are people not letting this go No but still

43:05 I did it because i say so. And the cops just dropped the charges like oh no yeah and it's expected that's the crazy thing about it that's expected for to be done that way, it's like he'll be out. Everyone said it was not going to be a problem No mugshot, no nothing And so I'm asking once again, why is Gillen being treated the way he was treated? So let's get more into the details of that night with number 12. We're getting our first look at evidence from the overdose emergency involving former gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillan and we're talking about a very messy hotel room with drugs scattered everywhere. Local 10 News reporter Larrin Livingston is live on South Beach to show us Larrin

43:47 So police tell us back on March 13th, Andrew Gillum was so inebriated when they got here to the Mondrian South Beach Hotel that he could not even speak with those officers who responded here. And so now we're seeing and hearing some of what those first responders saw and heard when they made it here to the hotel that night. It's around 1 a.m.. March 13th Miami Beach police make their way into the Mondrian South Beach hotel and up to the 11th floor The first knock goes unanswered seconds later That's when things literally get blurry for privacy reasons the audio also goes silent police encounter man barely dressed if at all

44:39 Stop. Yeah? The camera goes blurry Yes, and the audio goes silent I just want to point that out to people It's amazing how that can ha- it's techno- it's a glitch! It's a glitch! For privacy reasons Wait... That's when things literally get blurry. For privacy reasons, the audio also goes silent. Police encounter a man barely dressed if at all you can make out what appears to be Miami Beach Fire Rescue medics moving around the room At one point police direct what appears to be a nude man into the bathroom he is questioned and later takes his seat Yeah

45:27 For it ain't that wasn't a glitch. For privacy reasons, who are we hiding? You better have an answer for that Moe and I don't be crazy. I don't but I'm just saying like they tells you who could be in that room to say hey We need that camera off and we needed tell the cops yeah Somebody had the power To tell the cops hey We need that camera cut off and we need that microphone turned down. And just look over the bags of crystal meth on the floor, all right? And we're gonna let everybody go home." Yeah I'm kind of kicking myself that i never even really thought this deeply about it at the time

46:19 Who has that kind of pool? Well, okay. It's only a few people! Well that was also during the Obama era it was... Was it not no? No this was Trump! This is peak Trump era so- Trump DOJ! That's what I'm saying! Trump DOJ! Right. No charges all of a sudden Charges. when you've just been protected before and were they protecting Gillum? Obviously not because he was laid out nude in his own vomit but we're protecting the other two people in the room. Yeah that's when it goes quiet yeah I want to know

47:02 Hopefully somebody can help us out. Let's get in the single parties quick." was one of three men found inside that hotel room. Police say Aldo Mejias came back to the room where he found Gillum and Travis Dyson under the influence of an unknown substance. Gillum, who'd reportedly been found vomiting in the bathroom was later allowed to leave the hotel to go home Police also released these photos showing the mess left behind. Stained pillowcases and sheets, pills and bottles of pills spilled in various places. Police also removed what they suspected to be three small bags of crystal meth

47:54 Police say those suspected drugs were eventually impounded. No criminal charges were ever filed and Gillum claimed he was here in South Florida for a wedding, he has since apologized and says he never has used methamphetamines but he did say that after that unsuccessful bid for governor, he did fall into depression started abusing alcohol and he has since entered into rehab. We reached out to all three of the men who are involved in this incident that night have not yet heard back we're live here in Miami Beach. They're living some local 10 news Yeah, what I hear in that report is what I find a little odd is tons of pills not mentioned. What it is just thrown about open It's like if you're doing crystal meth you're doing crystal meth

48:36 I don't think you're also popping pills and you're certainly not just leaving stuff. I mean it sounds like they set up a nice little scene for the cameras is what it sounds like And at the end of Jacob Ingalls clip Alex overspoken But he said they had drugs You can't even get on the street right which is maybe because that came from the nurse, right? but I'm gonna show you something culturally and then we're gonna go down our sub rabbit hole just for a minute here. Okay? when he said crystal meth, the first thing and this is maybe an ignorant take but just this is like reflex kind of thing. I was like black people don't smoke crystal meth now they do but that's just the first thing I was like... Is that more poor white people? Poor white people thing? That's like yeah that's like the equivalent to crack you know like that's just showing caught mean of course we were speaking in generalization. Of course

49:37 You know, but that was kind of... That's what also stuck out to me. Like he's partying with meth? Well um I don't know is it a gay thing meth 14 oh In the gay male world we've seen this really up front i've seen people become homeless and it sort of fused The dopamine hit is fused with another dopamine hit, which often for gay men is the first time they have sex or the first time they realize who they are. And a lot of that is sexual. So you add this sexual dopamine hit to this intensification of it and the addiction is extraordinarily powerful and very few people come back. And after they've come back... I mean our friends have also come back! It takes them years

50:29 to have a sexual experience that you can find meaningful or pleasurable. It's amazing what this does to people, I'm genuinely shocked by it how it is destroying them The way people describe it is it doesn't just take their mind takes their soul somehow they don't become the people they become someone else and I've never seen You know I would say that Yes, I would say that in speaking with people after I spoke with Eric Barrera. My story was really going to be at first just about this enormous supply that they were the capacity of production and all that and then he told me this when I began to say well the capacity production has allowed meth to be all over the country then these symptoms logically must be in some degree all over the country as well so we can try... So yes gay sex and meth

51:27 Is a thing. Is a thing, and this is who was speaking with us Sam Quinos? I think how you pronounce it And he wrote the book The Least of Us True Tales Of America and Hope in the Time of Fentanyl and Meth fentanyl gets all the headlines But this industrial quality meth they're pumping out of Mexico In pharmaceutical grade labs is I didn't have the clip just to you know, just to keep the show no and a decent length but it's reports of this super myth. Super meth. Yes. It's so clean that the

52:11 And I'm speaking completely from a novice standpoint, but this is how the reports are related. Yes Mexican super meth! I see it right here. It's that impurities is what caused meth smokers to stop smoking Because it would get so harsh the fact that this meth is so clean keeps everybody going It keeps you smoking and that's when you see these people one deteriorate super fast to these zombie like things on and I'm what I'm saying things are They're no longer human. You heard the guy say it steals your soul, so this thing about what super meth does and you smoke in high quantities and it's so cheap now because it's coming out of Mexico right? So people just keep your eye on that super meth yeah send us some samples please don't I've tried some things in my day man but meth is not one of them

53:08 And just as another quick aside Adderall is none but legal man. That's true. That's true This be leaning to the hand-in-hand with promiscuity I've said that wrong Promiscuity that we're seeing with Oh man, yes. You know what? So I have actually tried Adderall just to see what the kids were doing and I was like no! I was up for a full 24 hours it's like what is this crap this is nuts It's not fun, its' not good now I can understand where if you use it, you micro dose or whatever I can see how someone could totally get into it but yeah this is just another one to chalk...I mean Adderall at the college level

53:52 I mean, it's like Bitcoin. You know, people are selling it trading it doing all kinds of stuff. Hey you got a prescription? Yeah I need something! I'll sell it to you, I sell it to you...I mean It's crazy how prevalent that is Right and Is that a driver for what we've seen? It might be..You know its.... I've always focused on SSRIs as being a big problem Let's just add this to it for sure Yeah because As you see the two tie ins or the two dopamine hits between sex And I know it's not exclusive to gay men So you tie in meth and sex in general, and Adderall is entered at such an early age. Could that be some of what's going on here? I'm sure it's not helping or it is helping depending on how you look at it Once I realized I was like okay meth meth I've heard that before Oh right yes exactly injection of meth

54:49 Hi everybody. Once again we are live at the federal courthouse this is Wendy Birch, we apologize for any audio difficulties that we had earlier but we wanted to bring you the very latest that in the federal trial against Ed Buck, the former prominent Democratic contributor he has now been found guilty of all nine federal charges. That verdict coming down just about 30 minutes ago now the charges are extensive there are at least two counts of providing methamphetamine to a victim that resulted in death, four additional counts of providing methamphetamine one count abusing his West Los Angeles department as a drug layer and two counts

55:26 of paying for interstate travel for the purpose of prostitution. All of these are significant charges he's been found guilty in all of them, there are maximum sentencing it is likely that 66 year old Ed Buck will spend the rest of his life in a federal prison now this case came to light a few years back when there were a number of men mostly black man that were overdosing in the presence of ed buck and two of those young men died in his apartment in West Hollywood. One of them being 26 year old Jamel Moore, the other one being 55 year old Timothy Dean. Yeah Ed Buck big Democrat party donor they finally got him but did you hear anything about that? Them finally getting him uh well this this was much more of a story than Gillum for sure the reason I'm saying we knew they had arrested

56:20 But him being found guilty? Yeah, yeah. That was just a couple weeks ago I think No, this comes from July 27th 2021. I think his sentencing was just a few weeks ago, I believe. Oh, maybe! That's even more disturbing. It took an whole year to sentence him? He was convicted of nine federal charges in 2021 on April 14 2022 so a couple months ago Buck was sentenced to 30 years in prison you didn't...I mean I knew it happened And I remember again, there was a lot going on. It was not M5M coverage it definitely warranted it because this was a big ass donor everyone's in pictures with him what he did was despicable and 30 years is not you know... He'll die in prison basically

57:05 But he's a serial killer. Yes, of course he is! Yes... No just like and no that goes to show I weaved all this together to show you when they want to come up with story They can cover it up. Yeah, even if you're killing black gay men who is right up there I mean like I mean being black and gay? I'm that's pretty high on the totem pole yeah, whether with that pesky man part If it was RuPaul or someone like that and they might be a bigger story no No

57:42 No. Ed Bucks the money man! Yeah, he was the money man He makes things happen and that goes to show you That they covered it up And if they wanted to cover for Gillum They did Hey, hey, I'm with ya You've got me convinced They covered up and uh... For reasons yet unknown So, and what is this? Like I said. What is this thing with Ed Buck? Is this like a thing with meth and gay sex for the Democratic Party? I mean like just not specifically rap meth but drugs

58:20 We act like we don't have a president whose son, I know who's not bringing up Hunter but I have to juxtapose him yes to everything is to everything else. Yep got that drugs got that right there proves it no it proves it this like that story yeah we saw everything that DOJ is not going after me there some investigations supposedly Yeah, I mean the IRS may be investigating him supposedly. You know then there's some things going on but yeah in general it is completely covered up and it's to the degree where Emperor has no clothes literally. The emperor has no clothes we don't see that with emperors looks great And Ed like I said at the ed book story was like one of the first cases a pre-hunter you know saying hey if you're on the right team the media will not cover it they were very it

59:14 Uh, and let's just go ahead and get to a 16. During the two weeks of testimony there were more than eight men that spoke in this trial and at times the test when he was harsh and difficult for even the jurors to hear so much of it involved graphic testimony of ed bucks alleged sexual fetishes and his desire said the prosecution to inject methamphetamine into his victims against their will Now, two of those victims of course could not testify and that was Moore and Dean. Both of them died in that apartment. Moore dying exactly four months ago today his family now is speaking to the press we have a live camera just steps away from me let's listen in

59:56 I'll just add this to what Sam is saying. To show you that he's telling the truth, we have a council member behind you at City Hall named Paul Koretz who told a group of people that all of Ed Bucks victims were nothing but disadvantaged black hustlers and that is how a lot of the politicians looked at his victims which is why they like Paul Koretz never returned his money never even tried to acknowledge this case Boo on the Democratic Party, of which I'm a member of because like Sammy said it wasn't just the investigators and the Sheriff's Department. It was the politicians, it was the media worried about getting sued by AdBug. It was everybody and so I think we all feel vindicated today like you know finally. Hmm not cool. Boo on the Democratic Party? Yes! We feel vindicated. That is what we get boo yeah and the reason why

1:00:51 from their stand and I just, I judge people by their own standards. From the democratic standards first of all you have a black man being killed by white men okay? Yep And that black man happens to be gay yep check and that black man is being drugged against his will check for sexual purposes and even to murder him Check Congratulations No story here You can now run for president So now you see that it really doesn't matter. All those that, I mean they fall under Black Lives Matter, they fall under Pride, they fall under sexual victims, drug addicts all these different groups and agendas and nobody wanted to take on their story all because why? Ed Buck was the money man can't make it up And a lot of these...I want to keep bringing this back because

1:01:55 for what she said, that they were hustlers. Yeah that's pretty rude man I mean these are people too Right! These are gay black men and they're victims of sex crimes You know what, hold on a second. The way she said that now I'm actually...I want to go back and play that again where was she? Of course could not testify and that was more in Dean's alleged sexual fetishes To show you that he is telling the truth we have a council member behind you at City Hall named Paul Koretz, who told a group of people that all of Ed Buck's victims were nothing but disadvantaged black hustlers. And that is how a lot of the politicians looked at his victims which is why they like Paul Koretz never returned his money. Yeah yeah and that is unfortunately I think spot-on an on message for the Democratic Party today's Democratic Party

1:02:54 And it's the same people at the same time are giving these men free meth pipes so they can have a more pleasurable experience. Yeah, crack pipes. Thank you for putting that out there. That's straight and opening up the border so this super math could flow flood over. It seems like they're creating a market for their fetish. I'm just gonna keep it 100 with you That's what it seems like to me, like oh let's keep them hooked and we can just go down like Ed Buck did and we can find sex survivors. So that's what they are their sex survivors And that's why they call them hustlers because They use sex to survive a lot of these guys not even textbook gay but there is a market

1:03:48 No, I'm just saying. So we got to humanize these people and the reason why I was being so flippant about it because that's how they see them is as a demographic or your pride or your Black Lives Matter... Oh you're just a hustler! You're just a hustler Right, as soon as they want to discard them. And there's no red in sight in this case so that's the thing we're talking about a vacuum here. Yeah They go to show you that these politicians don't care about you So I wanna get into what actually survival sex is It's a throwback from Show 8 and this is Tiffany Graham Survival sex is an enormous issue too

1:04:25 LGBTQ youths between the ages of 10 and 25 are 70% more likely to engage in survival sex, while 80% of homeless transgender youths are more likely to have engaged in survival sex than homeless cisgender youth. Now what do we mean by survival sex? In principle, survival sex is part of the wider commercial sex trade People who engage in survival sex do so because they literally have no other way to survive. So, they exchange sex for money, they exchange sex for shelter, they exchange it for food, clothing or any other good which is a necessity of life. Metaphorically speaking what we've discussed over the past 82 shows fits right in with the overall image of the Democratic Party

1:05:20 when it comes to black Americans. They don't give a shit! They don't, but even more than that it's not like this neglectfulness you know what I'm saying? Neglect is no we're pranking- We're going to create policies and programs that are going to provide more drugs better ways to use drugs So we create this market that can be preyed on by Democrats and Republicans. It's not like we don't want predators on both sides of the aisle, but I'm just saying who has the leverage right now? Yeah And who's more drugs you know nothing about fentanyl No interesting

1:06:04 I mean, I'm sure you had. I mean, I don't know if you had heard of super meth before but I never heard it Yeah This is what's being pumped in the streets and then they were all there just homeless No a lot of these guys men are right boys because she said ten yeah ten years old That's pedophilia mm-hmm this is the pizza party folks I know people get triggered when I say that but this is the pizza party an It ain't just Ed Buck, it ain't just Ghislaine Maxwell. No this is a system and its global oh yeah you know better than anybody else I'm always very careful with these conversations I'm cool with it here on the podcast but uh like I did start discussing this on a radio station in the Netherlands back in the early 2000's and was about interestingly enough the Dutch Justice Department

1:06:59 the Attorney General in fact of the Netherlands and that case is still ongoing. Everyone knows what the guy was into, everybody it's all known but it's just no we're just not gonna move on it and I brought this up and had a journalist on who had gone pretty deep on this and the station's license was pulled and everything was gone two weeks later so And the reason why I'm bringing this up is, the more and more we see in the news story you know teachers pushing these agendas and people are not even being sensible. Now it's to a point like it straight-up just child abuse! Yes In public, in broad daylight

1:07:46 And it's already been normalized. I mean, you heard Tiffany Graham? She is the dean of the University of South Dakota Law School. As much as I hate to say it but this pedophilia and abusing children... The biggest cover-up is still the Catholic Church Yeah, I mean it's like this shit is covered up. That's why it's easy to say its global It's across all kinds of quote-unquote industries And to be honest with you, I went limited to the Catholic Church But we'll get there a little later. No, but that's the one thats public. Everyone knows about it. They're old now...pass Right so what I want to do now before we get into donation segment

1:08:33 You want to hear an instant boule phone moment? Sure. So you heard how she was trashing the politicians and in the pre, not in the last clip, not Tiffany Graham but the woman that was speaking on behalf of the Elbow victims And she's a Democrat so I figured that she might get in trouble for saying that Alright, instant boule phone It was everybody! And so I think we all feel vindicated today like finally So anyway, I just wanted to say one thing before we go. We are tremendously proud and lucky to have gotten to work with our law enforcement partners in the Sheriff's Department in FBI in DEA they put together a tremendous case and we would not have had

1:09:21 Who stepped in there? Who was that?! I think it was the lawyer, one of the lawyers. But you see how quick you... Oh yeah. This is the mindset that I'm talking about because even in this politician thing is politics thing instead religion isn't not politics anymore. Cult? Yeah cult. Cult yeah so when you heard her she was going off on everybody then this lady steps and she's all yeah you're right

1:10:11 I was wrong. Instant boule phone. Yeah, and then she topped it with something else like the who's that guy? You know the shame on him. She had to find another victim because she was consciously aware how she sounded doing a you know saying a 180 degree turn so he had to put the eye or somebody else So um yeah, so that's the first block That's that's the Andrew Gillum What happened that night? We're going to see the fallout on the other side and then the agendas that he's in bed with. But before we do that, let's thank some people. That's right value for value! That's what MoFax with Adam Curry is all about

1:34:46 Actually, I should mention mofax.com directly to our donation page mofundme.com All right so we have to look at the agenda that's been going on and i say that word purposely um to run gay and black together And to do that, we got to go back to show eight once again. This is Michael Eric Dyson the word salad man set himself and this is when he was pushing Is gay the new black? I understand the tensions on both sides you know Black folks say can we have something Can we get something that's ours Ain't nobody appropriating all the time they took jazz Can we keep the civil rights thing Everybody ain't black Now here's Here's a thing that I think a lot of black people miss

1:35:43 is that it's real flattery for people to try to compare themselves with black people. You know, hey we want to be black and were down like them It's an insult a lot of black people are like yeah it ain't the same thing though dog so slow down with that What's interesting to me though is that many African American people forget that the civil rights movement itself was borrowed right then pay some royalties to Mahatma Gandhi because that's where King got it Okay So this when they started rebranding and trying to work the intersectionality because as some people may know, the fact that black people are more religious people by percentage there is some apprehension about accepting gay. So...

1:36:43 Can I put it another way? Yes. From the outside, the view is the culture of black men if they're not gay is shut up about being gay! And there's some... well let's just go ahead and talk about it Yeah we might as well Hold on hold on Thank you. Let me make sure no one else hears this. We gotta make sure no one hears this shit. Right, so... You said at the beginning of the show that you brought up lynching? Yes Where there was a specific form of lynching called butt breaking where they would take the biggest strongest slave and rape them in front of everybody And that- This case or this situation with Andrew Gillum

1:37:36 had innuendo to that. And if that is where some of the apprehension of being associated with gay and black for black men, especially when it involves white man, you know like it has a real like... Okay now what was the imagery? What was that called? It's called butt breaking. Butt breaking? Buck B-U-C-K. Like a buck like a large And I'm glad you brought this up because...I had no idea. This is a very important historical context, because I've always wondered what's the problem? Okay! So if this was something that was done by white men to black men to break the buck—the biggest and strongest slave with anal rape is what you're telling me—yes, I can see how that image alone

1:38:37 Just the image alone in your mind would be totally triggering, super triggering. Right because it's... Damn I never knew about this! Yeah so and that and Andrew Gillum being a large man it even played into that more Wow Yes and so that's where some of the apprehension like I say is religion multi-factor, multi triggering. It could be either what I said before about butt breaking it could be pushback due to religion and faith

1:39:16 So yeah, so that's part of it. And so the LGBT community had to willow away at this apprehension and this is one of the formats it is gay the new black. I got you now... It also feeds into the intersexuality that also comes up to say well we have shared experiences. Okay, hold on a second are we good? Can I open the door again? Yes please Hey everybody! Just little stuff behind the door don't worry about it Glad we got that out of the way so uh... Woo took care of that

1:39:54 Yeah, so now you have Michael Eric Dyson is pushing this thing and to do that he's actually tearing away at Martin Luther King saying well it was borrowed from Mahatma Gandhi who God he was a huge racist himself. Go look at some of his earlier work in South Africa yeah So that that was like okay well king and Mahatma Gandhi but there wasn't not aware what Gandhi we talked about I think on show eight but Let's fast forward and listen to the second clip of Michael Eric Dyson making the sale for intersectionality. I think that gay people do black people a favor, and first of all let's... what are we forgetting here? Some gay people happen to be black! Uh duh it is not like they told them oh you're gay you don't have to go to the back stay up front with us because you're looking awful delicious today damn

1:40:52 You go to the head of the bus. Oh, man I Don't make the news. I'm just reporting right here They ain't got no exemption James Baldwin spoke for black people as a black gay man Barbara Smith now Audra Lorde without Bayard Rustin straight black people would never enjoy the rights they enjoyed now Adam Clayton Powell called Martin Luther King jr Up and said I'm gonna tell a lie that you and Bayard Rustin are having an affair if you don't put him out. But wait, wasn't that true? What, with Bayard Rustin and King? Yeah! Well I don't know about the relationship... He was gay he was super gay that's why they picked him up right? He was super open-gay too. Super gay, I'm sorry that i said it. He was super gay! No what I mean for The Times to be that open and to be black yeah I mean you could classify him as that because

1:41:56 Adam Clayton Powell didn't like and that's why Bayard Rustin had to play the shadows right because I well you can't be Reverend Dr. Reverend Martin Luther King jr. reverend and hanging out with openly gay man who knows has some nefarious dealings himself and if I recall correctly from episode 8 it's been a while It was really him who had a lot of the ideas and Martin Luther King was the one who brought that to the people. Yeah, he was more of the speaker. Right. But Bayard Rustin had the communist ties... A lot of this came from A. Philip Randolph I mean he was planning on marching in Washington way before then but that's where you know Alec Clayton Powell was aware like you can't be a reverend

1:42:51 and piling around because this will hurt our movement. That was what he was trying to do, because... Yeah that was the threat I got it. For the, you understand we're talking about in 60's so this is where i found another interesting point with the Gillum case Because in a Times 2018 that's why I said it was more of a feature for him to come out and be like, oh yeah I'm gay as well as a black man and you know the youngest politician to do X Y & Z. Right it should have been another great box to check off right but the way they had to play it was totally different than you would expect and this is former rising star Democratic, excuse me former rising Democratic star speaks out this is from Good Morning America

1:43:45 Back now with Tamron Hall and her exclusive interview with Andrew Gillum. The Democratic rising star's career came to an abrupt halt when he was discovered in a Miami hotel room with someone who suffered a drug overdose. Tamron is going to join us live in a moment, first Diane Macedo has the details. Wow nice way to put it. He was found in a hotel room with someone who suffered a drug overdose? Someone? Right! This is good Are we ready to flip Florida blue? He was poised to make political history. The first black nominee in a major party to run for governor in Florida A rising star in the Democratic Party, Andrew Gillum came within striking distance of the governor's mansion during a hotly contested race in 2018. He lost to Republican Ron DeSantis by less than half a percentage point. Arjai and I wanted to take a moment to congratulate Mr. DeSantis The 41-year old husband and father was later floated as a possible VP contender but

1:44:41 But behind the scenes, Gillum's life was unraveling. In the early hours of March 13th police found him inebriated in this Miami Beach hotel room with two other men a photo of Gillum in a compromising position was leaked for the world to see. Gillam denied ever taking methamphetamine but checked into a rehab facility for treatment of alcoholism and depression So he was a possible VP pick, huh? Yeah. I didn't realize that makes sense. It makes plenty of sense! And notice somebody disappeared you didn't catch that they said he found him with two other men before it was him

1:45:20 the nurse and two other men. Oh, right so this one person is gone? Right all of a sudden it's like how does that happen maybe I'm listening too much No no no I'm with you i mean I'm all in that this is a massive cover-up but now it gets more interesting that he was posse and I have to take ABC's word out at it that uh...he was a potential VP pick Yes. And there was a whole nother can of worms I didn't even pre-think, since you harpened on the... Not harpened but raising the point of the VP. He would have been a heck of lot better than Kamala. Whose way will he be in? Could this be the Coven? Well yeah nobody wanted Kamala so could the Coven have done this to him hmm

1:46:21 They're pretty- Cuz I didn't even stick on the VP thing, but you bring up an excellent point. Pretty powerful man it could be! It's possible. Whose way could he be in? Wow like that got me on that one. I really feel bad for Gillum now He really got worked over All right, so I think we stopped at one. Let's get into the second part now six months later Andrew Gillum is making his first television appearance sitting down in an exclusive interview with Tamron Hall Talking about the night that changed his life What do you want people to know about? The purpose your intention when you went to that room? I would say The reason why I went to that room is probably no different than how anybody might

1:47:08 communicate with someone that they are in a friendship, relationship whatever with. I understand very well what people assume about that when that photo came out i didn't recognize the person on the floor That was not anything more than a person being at their most vulnerable state unconscious having given no consent And someone decided to use a moment where I was literally lying in my own vomit. When you first saw it, I don't know how you're still standing? You're still here! I'm still here by the grace of God

1:48:01 So much of my recovery has been about trying to get over shame. Shame is not that I did bad, but I am bad. And Gillum also credits therapy with getting him to a better place as well his wife who's also sitting down with Tamron Hall Now how long ago did this come out? This came out the following year...I mean the following few months he went into rehab and then he came out and then uh...Tamron Hall got the exclusive interview with him But it's something that I found very interesting when he says he was laid out the image so I said, that's that book breaking You know and then he says that how do you put it? He says like somebody did it to him. Oh

1:48:50 The way he's talking like, did he say I got drunk or high or whatever and passed out? No what he's ultimately because at the end he's kind of saying well i'm bad though you know. I'm bad even it's kinda like you know I couldn't really help what happened here in a way. And then he says I went to talk no one more like when you go talk to a person now I gotta push back on that because it's like When I go talk to my friends, I don't end up face down in my vomit. Excuse me for being not on a weekday. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like no we're going play that game but if somebody did this to you then you need to come out and say it and the reason why I played the Michael Eric Dyson clip first was this is him holding the line. They saved his ass and he's toeing the line for sure

1:49:38 Right, and he has to hold the party line of everything is fine. It's not they made a bigger deal than it was made out of it but I just feel like you know, I don't recognize that person He's using all this like coded language That found this strange in how he described the situation And then he's like I'm not bad. I did bad like, you know, that's that Speaking to the gay part of it or the bisexual part of it. So, um... He is very- Somebody sat down with him and coached him on the talking point because he really didn't take any blame for it but I still think there's a strong possibility that he was a victim of some kind of setup Yeah so I guess we can get into Part 3

1:50:35 Okay, Diane. Thanks very much. Let's bring in Tamron Hall right now. Tamron quite an interview right there We hear Andrew Gillum talking about his recovery there What does he say happened in that room? I mean he goes into limited details about the event because there was someone else in the room But he does George open up very candidly about what he says with this spiral of his life after he lost that gubernatorial race The impact that it had on his marriage His wife RJ will join us as well. He's a father of three, he doesn't skirt around it as you know you've done these types of interviews it's uncomfortable to have someone with their loved one present tell the sort of details of what went on but he goes there we go there were no rules to this It was more about a raw real interview that he provided and I think it will be one of the most compelling things that people will see

1:51:29 What? She did a heck of a sales job. Go ahead, go ahead. Well the first thing that struck me is wow that's a total replay of Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton sitting on the couch you know Which I find disgusting. Remember when that lamp came down and he's like, I'm telling the truth and they're all telling the truth and then this light comes crashing down like God struck it? It was a great moment in broadcast history! But what I find disgusting is when these politicians roll their spouse out as like a prop. Well, you need to I mean and so he was still in the game if you're not in the game You don't do it but if you're in the game that's that's She also makes sacrifices And it also is not just limited politics as well It's also everything yeah makes his way to celebrities and even content creators we saw this with uh Derek Jackson who was the Kevin Samuels nemesis of

1:52:32 Uh, he got caught up and he had to bring his wife out and sit her beside him. So this is, this is uh what they call it? Um damage control one on one. It's like you gotta get the spouse seat. You know Kobe Bryant did the best. He has a $8 million ring. And he was like, you're going to be here with me. That'll do it. Yeah. That'll keep me loyal. Yes. Oh I guess we can get to part 4 now. And I do believe he wants to, in some way have his voice heard. You know he was the youngest elected official African-American in Florida's history at 23 years old. He was an elected official. He believes this is his calling but this fall from grace

1:53:36 certainly counters that. I think his wife has been a great protector and supporter, and what she reveals about their relationship and his rise to political fame is also something that in my 30 years of being a journalist I've not heard from a political spouse so it is compelling It's part of our season two premiere a huge week of explosive interviews where we come to the table and we say this is about living your life, not defending your life. But most important to us on this show let's talk about it. Wow! It sounds really compelling as you said Tamron thanks very much good luck on the new season also happy birthday this week wow thanks George can we get her a biscuit? They always give me a biscuit on my birthday sure Happy Birthday so

1:54:28 Live your not life How she put it live your life? Not oh, I don't know. It was more it was it was it seemed like it was a fad line It's right at the end. Let's hear that one more time sure What's the future hold in your life, but most important come to the table and we say this is about living your life Not defending your life. But most important to us Maybe your life not defending that would be the gay the gay thing Yes Mm-hmm So his wife and him they do something I've never seen before in there as Tamron said In 30 years she hadn't seen it they take a unique

1:55:12 Angle on this. Anything you want to say before we get into the next clip? No, no I'm ready for the unique angle 26 The truth is that Tamron everyone believes the absolute worst about that day At this stage i don't have anything else to have to conceal I literally got broken down my most bare place to the place where I wasn't even sure that I wanted to live. Broken, I heard it. Now talking about very bare place. Yeah yeah yeah wow buck break right there you think he's signaling that or is that subliminal? I think he is. I literally got broken down to my most bare place

1:56:05 to the place where I wasn't even sure that i wanted to live not because of what I had done but because of everything that was being said about me. What was most hurtful was this belief that I was somehow living a lie in my marriage and in my family um That was the most hurtful to me, because I believe we're all entitled to mistakes And I believe we're entitled to those mistakes without having every other respectable and redeeming part of our lives invalidated. And I felt like the love that I have between my wife and I, my family but most important

1:56:50 the authenticity that I've tried to lead with was all in question at this point. And not even in question anymore, something else had been assumed by that and to be very honest with you when you didn't ask the question um...you put it out there is whether or not identify as gay and the answer is I don't identify as gay but I do identify as bisexual and that is something that I have never shared publicly before Okay, he should get the monkey pox vaccine Never seen that done before in politics and I think he had to do that to salvage his political career Not gay or not bisexual then he appears as a closet itself hating gaming right

1:57:47 So what he's saying here is, you know I'm bisexual. Just you know didn't hang it up on from the highest tree and you know It's like it is what it is Did his wife say anything about that? Was there any questioning of her She did say she knew and he told her beforehand they got married Which they're this big push now should black women because we talked about last time that there's perceived and maybe even real a shortage of men, quality men. I mean how you qualify quality? So should black women consider marrying bisexual men?" And it was a pushback against that like no we shouldn't and that goes to say the grassroots are not reacting the way

1:58:44 the leadership expects or how the leadership has promised right and that's why I was saying maybe this is a cleanup of all The old politicians because they're seeing being seen as ineffective It's time to change Because these new these ideas you like it with row we saw that reaction. Yeah with the crime, we're seeing Unexpected reaction there now we have to be careful that because it's how crime bill 1.0 started but is Conservative views are being more accepted with the grassroots and so oh I see what you're saying the marketing problem

1:59:27 Yeah, it's a very I mean the group think is weakening and have to say that due to one because of social media super clips. Shows like this where people go and show all this is a game. This is a scam. This is a Spell that they're trying to keep you hurt it into a certain time type of mentality And this really speaks to the ineffectiveness of the mainstream media, which is the propaganda. Yeah Wow I'm so glad you're doing all this because it Really went by me and it wouldn't have I mean there's so much depth to it because he's black That I was unaware of its really an interesting case

2:00:16 Yeah, and the fact that once again he played- he's playing ball. There is no need to detonate him at this point I haven't heard anything He was like okay come out a bisexual It's good, good point No need to detonate, I like that it doesn't make any- That's what baffled me And I had to see what was going on here So now we get to speak with his wife in 27 When you saw that picture Where were you? I was at home. Alone? I was, and I knew something was wrong because a number of friends had reached out to do that. I'm just checking on you because it's hard to see my husband the strongest man I know It was hard to see what did you see in that photo um that he was helpless Honestly, I got angry

2:01:32 I thought he was being taken advantage of in a way that was unfair. I thought that the whole situation, if it had happened to a woman it would be a very different narrative. Meaning? If anyone had a tabloid with a woman lying naked on the floor with the pictures have even made it out It would've been criminal Great point. I just looked at the pictures, put them in the show notes... Man this is a bunch of phony baloney stuff! You see that so the pills there's a next to bed pill bottle on the bed and all the pills are in a little bunch next to it but the pill bottles up straight. It looks really staged

2:02:16 And also I'm thinking, anyway yes we don't know it wasn't there. What you brought to mind that you say that now because i didn't get that deep into it but when I first heard about the story It made me think of the movie Ricocheted with Denzel Washington Another movie I gotta watch Where he was this up and coming rise its one his earlier films Oh man! I think I have seen it yeah yeah yeah yeah And then why can't forget the guy who shot but he shot this white supremacist And the guy was hell-bent on ruining his life after that. And they set him up with a prostitute, and like I said they drugged him took pictures of him... Right right right Yeah all these weird... we're saying all these different things and that's what came to mind as you were saying that and then when i first heard this story like is this is this a setup?

2:03:07 Because he, I'm gonna be honest with you. He doesn't seem like a meth user to me. Well also no he doesn't and i think that if if you are a meth user The throwing up thing is to me is more... It would make more sense if he was really, really drunk or there were some pills involved that he didn't know he was taking. He seems like he wasn't experienced in some things. I don't know! Just the whole beginning of this episode and then looking at the pictures you put it together go, ah that looks pretty staged Once again, who was that fourth person in the room? I have no idea. So let's go ahead and get into 28th. Is that why you did not want him to reveal that he told you long before your marriage that he was bisexual? Not even that he told me just for him to have to say it. I don't think it's anyone's business

2:04:11 I don't think it's fair to people who are not heterosexual or not assumed heterosexual that they should ever have to say, or disclose what they are because of how judgmental people are. Um...I also know and I think he mentioned it to you that so many people just don't understand bisexuality They think they can wrap their heads around gay But bisexuality is just something different. How were you able to understand it when he presented it to you and then ultimately proposed and said, but I think he told you that I choose you? Right. I just believe that love and sexuality exist on a spectrum. All I care about

2:04:58 What's between us and what agreement do we make to be in relationship with each other? I watched an interview where you talked about God's plan after all of this after the words of shame Directed at you Andrew, and the questions that your children will ask when they're little older Hopefully a lot older. We're not supposed to question God's plan but have you questioned God's plan all the time Oh got pretty deep

2:05:36 Yeah, where can I start? Because yeah. Here's the dichotomy you've got yes God's plan but homosexuality isn't supposed to be God's plan Right and she also said it shouldn't be a person's A person shouldn't have to basically out themselves In private life Yes But when your'e a politician When you're going into that room to negotiate, are you negotiating on behalf of quote unquote black people? Are you saying...are you negotiating for the LGBT community. See this was the big issue with Black Lives Matter

2:06:17 because they led with Black Lives Matter. But really, they were pushing for everything but heterosexual men and as a heterosexual man which is the thorn in the side of Democrats right now and people that are least likely to go along but is a much needed chunk of that block vote it's like whoa who you representing? And its not representing lifestyle, it's representing somewhat lifestyle because what I said about what the image of that can portray but more us when you go into that room and we're talking about negotiating for funds are you negotiating for LGBT funds? Are you negotiating for quote-unquote black funds. And they do this weird trick and i'm going to talk about it more on the other side, and then when say they I am talking

2:07:14 Gay Inc. Let's just call them that like we did black lives matter in think When they go in that room who you negotiating for because it seems like one of the people you're representing is getting a lot of tangibles but the But the others plank that you claim to represent are is not getting any tangible at all. So that's why it becomes important. This is kind of the genesis of this entire podcast, you know? It's all lip service and what it really is Black America please hold the door open so all these other people can go through and its the alphabet people first Right

2:07:55 And it could say, all the times it could be Jewish people. It could be feminists. It can be communists you know? All kind of different agendas but where the person left holding the door is the heterosexual black male and an end to that they use our image and its miss me but that was part of the George Floyd thing him laid out like that You know, him being like actually laid out. That was part of that imagery and made it so powerful for them to use for their promotion of other agendas. So same as this case. That's why it's important. Like I said your private life is on you but in the public life especially when you're a politician where you're negotiating with different lobbies and negotiating for different agendas

2:08:54 We need to know how those agendas are prioritized when you go in that room. You know, if it's only a million dollars who is that million dollar going to go to? Is it gonna go one or the other half and half we need to know and when you conceal that doesn't let voters know what they're actually buying with their vote Right so how do you feel Gillum was doing here Well, I'll answer that question on the other side of the donation. Okay, I got you. I understand that there's some people out there who need my services. Yes sir! Are there any people out there who are weak? Yeah! Any people out there who are weary? Yes sir! Any people out there who are tired? Yeah! And if people out there just need a hill... Y'all got cash? Cash? Well then come on down

2:18:58 Brushed over skipped over him there. Oh, no no no no we don't do that here No Let me do a little setup of miss Sharon Hicks miss Sharon let Minhicks is The person that was also charged with him really yes Have you ever heard of her? No I Okay, alright. So Ms Sharon Hetman Licks, I mean Lettman Hicks excuse me she was the CEO of the let me have it right here of the National Black Justice Coalition Oh really? Yeah

2:19:47 The National Black Justice Coalition, its mission is to end racism homophobia LGBTQ SGL bias and stigma. That's who was funding him the money she will receive the money and then she would send it to Gillum Now, she has a very interesting past herself and currently when she was arrested. This is the Tallahassee Democrat Sharon Letman Hicks suspend Florida house campaign amid federal corruption charges

2:20:24 I have the article here says Sharon Letman Hicks was arrested Wednesday along with former Mayor Andrew Gillum, not Governor candidate mayor. Mayor Andrew Gillum on the charges they funnel campaign don't all contributions to themselves is suspending her campaign for Florida House seat. Let me hate's file to run for See on June 1st, just days before the federal grand jury indicted on charges of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit mail fraud. I continue with the article she says, I am devastated by these baseless charges. I have made the painful decision to suspend my campaign she said in a news release. I must now focus on fighting for my continued freedom.

2:21:19 Let me Hicks owner of PP PMP communications and CEO of the National Black Justice Coalition She said she says she found it stunning That the charges came to light just days after she can't became a viable candidate in the house race Yes, yes, she qualified to run for the House seat last week now all of us certain I One, we got him being handled a bisexual man being handled by the National Black Justice Coalition. Who is also gay? Yes! No she's not gay. Yes she is Is she? I believe so

2:22:07 In 2010 she wasn't openly gay because in the clips I have, I don't have that clip specifically but she considered herself. She said she didn't like calling herself an ally. She hated that word. Really? Yes! Now that makes me regret if you'd have something counter to that point but uh...that I didn't clip that part But yeah, I assumed that she was a straight appearing woman? I don't know. I mean, I'm just searching. Okay this is from queer bio dot com. Let me see. She said she was the only straight person on the MBJC. Yeah yeah yeah. I think i'm wrong which I found very interesting that you have to be gay to work for that company or

2:23:06 Organization? Is that discrimination in any kind of way?! You shouldn't have to be, but yeah I understand. But the way she said it was like that was a requirement! What I find is she doesn't even have a Wikipedia page Yeah... That's why we gotta get into her This is annoying As a politician you don't have a wiki page something's up She's bigger than a politician Shes' a handler! Yeah this is... That's very weird. Okay, let's just go ahead and get in the 30. Tell me how you feel about the Obama administration's push and effort to bring equality. Wait hold on stop I gotta put timeline give a timeline for this this is her at the

2:23:49 One Nation Working Together rally in 2010 and she's speaking to MSNBC. Tell me how you feel about the Obama administration push an effort to bring equality for all across this country what is President Obama been able to do toward that end? Honestly, the inclusion agenda for the LGBT Equality Movement is unbelievable The administration has been an advocate it has listened concerns, it has moved the agenda and yes there is absolutely a lot more work to be done. We want so many more things brought into the mainstream that LGBT equality is for all. It benefits all of our communities but we have made some significant gains whether its the Family and Medical Leave Act whether it's the passage of the hate crime

2:24:32 We're moving forward with the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. We are very optimistic that one that we have the air of the president to that the administration understands the benefit of inclusion for all seriousness of the atrocities like overwhelming number suicides over last three weeks public education is important because education must create an environment that is safe and inclusive for all children. All right babies are taking their own lives Yeah, which is the kind of thing that is gut-wrenching for any of us to see. It's a real problem in this country. Sharon Linton Hicks though we're glad that you're addressing issues out there today on behalf of the National Black Justice Coalition Yes, so she said agenda yes

2:25:17 She said the word agenda, which I thought you couldn't have a gay agenda or that was a myth. The gay agenda. But she just ran down the whole list and this is from the Wikipedia page from National Black Justice Coalition. In 2011 organization identifies issues as it would be focusing its programming efforts on employment non-discrimination act marriage inequality, bullying in schools don't ask don't tell historically black colleges and universities and HIV AIDS. And it also had the Black Church Summit in 2006 where Reverend Al Sharpton denounced homophobia and called for greater inclusion of LGBT people so this is what I'm talking about with their agenda interesting

2:26:10 We had a bunch of black people just shot and killed in Buffalo, and we still can't get a Black Hate Crime Act. But they were pushing for it in 2011 so that's what makes me ask when you go into that room whose agenda are you pushing? That's the only reason I'm worried about how you identify or whatever else. Okay what'd you do your bedroom nobody cares but when you going to negotiation room You know that matters then Right, so that's that's another reason why it matters and then this is One of the issues the pushing in and making end rolls in the quote-unquote black church right We need to do something in the black church. We need to change the minds of people in the black church Oh That's an agenda right because with that comes money

2:27:09 And a lot of the churches need that money. I like money, ain't nothing like a fresh dollar bill! I like better than money. It's more beautiful than a woman So yeah so now you see it's not it's just not a benign agenda Well no I mean we lost Ed Buck We got to make up for it somehow And she would be not to the size of him, but you know she's a bundler I was saying and a handler. She's a double So let's go ahead and get into her in her own words as she speaking at the city club of Cleveland We learned it is student organizers we did what we needed to do we were under assault in our state government But to us It was just another challenge

2:28:01 It was just something that we were supposed to do. And we didn't realize when all of America's eyes are on you what that really means So in many ways I feel very blessed and fortunate because I do believe I was discovered but I was just discovered for doing the work of ordinary people at an extraordinary time in our democracy And in that walk, to be under tutelage of somebody like Norman Lear there's never an ordinary day. Because it's always wondering what a great mind like that would teach you and as he took me under his wing to really educate on the separation of church and state and what religious exploitation looks like

2:28:41 How our government is so fragile as to why things like the separation of church and state mattered? Especially when it comes to freedom and democracy And not allowing anyone's interpretation Of what they feel is right in good especially in the name of the Lord, and then using it to Exasperate an agenda that also often time is not as genuine as your faith Norman Lear Are you familiar with Norman Lear, Adam? I'm very familiar with Norman Lear. Norman Lear would be currently the... his legacy lives on and he's still alive as the propagandist of Hollywood The Norman Lear Hollywood Foundation They're all over Hollywood in the writers rooms they deliver scripts they come up with ideas it's a huge propaganda outfit

2:29:36 And could that be why more of the black roles and black shows are leaning more to the LGBT agenda? Oh, absolutely. If it's not climate change is that sure. And the reason why I say this is Ms Sharon Letman Hicks previously coming to the National Black Justice Coalition which I find they put no mention of gay in a title of their organization when you hear that National Black Justice Coalition It doesn't speak and they've done that purposely. They did that purposely so before she came to that organization became the CEO, she worked at People for the American Way. People for the American way is a progressive advocacy group in United States organized as a 501c4 lobby nonprofit nonprofit organization it was registered in 1981 by television producer Norman Lear yep

2:30:35 a described liberal who found the organization in 1980 to challenge the Christian right agenda of moral majority. So she was sent over to NBJC to make end rolls in the black church. Okay, so and this is happening... She's a stealth missile man! She's got a lot going on And like I said, I believe her to be Gilliam's handler in this whole situation. So now what I want to do is in this presentation that she gives at the City Club of Cleveland

2:31:25 She lays out how you made those inroads into black church. And then to really take it to the next step, get the education of what free speech is about and as we all are watching it play out that freedom of speech does not mean that its free speech without consequence so as we all live through the unique modern day challenges of I miss show And Norman, as we all were a free speech organization. We weren't allowed to go out on that particular issue the way he called us and he just blasted us what do you mean? You're not going out of it like Norman this is a free speech issue where no, no It's a free speech issue if your speech is free He is a brand of a network

2:32:14 And as a network executive, that type of speech is costly to me. He's got to go." So and... As we struggle and to me I was growing up in this society, I was like wow! What a unique capitalistic view? The origin of the cancel canon That's right baby Wow That's the origin right there normally go after the advertisers. And he's still with us, 99 years old which I have some more information on him that we're going to talk about at a later date. Okay yeah but yeah this is she learned under his tutelage well then she's and then she's in a grand wizard

2:33:06 Exactly. Exactly and like I said she was brought over to the MBJC to fulfill the you know um... The mission? To completely continue the mission? The mission of making inroads against the biggest force in the black community pushing them back against, you know, the LGBT Inc agenda So did she- And I had to make that clear Did she fail? Why did she get wrangled in this or I don't know. That's, I don't have an answer for that question and like i said I hate-I don't but I made this more about it doesn't make any sense for a democratic lenient Department of Justice to come after these two no It that that's the bigger story is not the whodunit? It's the why why were they taking I mean we have so many other things

2:34:06 You know, that's going on right now. That pales in comparison to what these two were doing and then the lying to the FBI part is the one that really gets me. Right? Why that charge? So I don't want to be a dead horse, but let's get into more of her and her own words. It wasn't real challenging for me to leap into this body at work because it really became whole... I'm sorry. I just had a thought. Mm-hmm. So the why lying to the FBI because if all the other stuff—because it's indictments right they haven't been found guilty they've been indicted Right so If all of that turns out to be bullcrap it may just be a total marketing exercise

2:34:45 Then you always have the light as you pointed out lying to the FBI. That's what I mean that you're gone I mean they can Roger Stone What's his name van Flynn yeah general Flynn Yeah, lying to the FBI. So if all the other stuff falls away... yeah but you lied to the FBI so you're guilty These two individuals which was one of the rising stars in Democratic Party almost a VP candidate as you know not our words possibly have presidential potential and the head of the biggest LGBT

2:35:26 Black organization this is taking down a tree like white supremacist. That's an elimination right there all right Let's go back to the clip and we'll find out more it wasn't real challenging for me to Leap into this body of work because it really became whole for me in that walk under that type of tutelage when election 2008 happened, and I got a president that looked like me and and everything in the world felt magnificent. Until the whole year of 2008, I was in California doing programs on the ground called Homophobia In The Black Church and reaching out to my community just to soften the reality because in a black community you can't even get to gay marriage

2:36:15 Because the conversation about gay is like and let me be clear the black community invented the term don't ask, don't tell. And so when you even try to have a conversation about gay marriage What are you talking about? Gay marriage we have 70% single women households in the black community. Gay marriage Marriage is not even a cultural term that is revered in the way that society may deal with, but you're talking about gay marriage. We don't even say the word gay in our community! Is it true that black Americans came up with Don't Ask Don't Tell?

2:37:06 Don't know if that's a true statement, but that's kind of I don't care what you're doing in your bedroom. Well wait a minute When did don't ask don't tell come out was that during Bush? Or was it during Obama nothing was was it Clinton or Bush maybe it was it was pre-Obama It wasn't real bomber don't ask don't tell let's see when it was 2001 so it was bush okay yeah I knew it was right at the beginning of the 2000s when that first started cropping up. Well, considering George Bush is of course black maybe... No that would be Clinton! True. Weird, really weird. That's really really strange. I don't understand why she said that but the takeaway from that is

2:37:53 It's true. I don't care what you do in your bedroom, I don't want to hear about it either." You know? That's your own business but what she is talking about is the black church and she was basically saying that clip black people were being accused of why they lost the...I think it was Prop 8, I believe it was called in California The gay marriage proposal But they mean the Defense of Marriage Act No! They wanted California that would have state that was a state, uh... California. What's the word I'm looking for? Proposition. Excuse me. Yeah let me see if it- Yes! Well let's see 2008 proposition 8 yes but that was to ban same sex marriage right and black people once again didn't vote the way they thought they were going to vote or black Christians right this is why Obama had to come in as a marriages between a man and woman

2:39:02 You see it was one of those cases where a lot of this has been thrusted upon and I want to make this very clear, black believers. portion. This is not all black people, this is a portion but black believers are like well who you want me to believe? God or you? You know what I'm saying like that's the thing it's like hold on and they want black believers to basically say oh no you got to be okay with and it's like okay I'm okay with outside of church but inside of church...I don't know if I can

2:39:43 that conflicts with what I believe. And notice they don't push this any way, you don't hear this kind of talk in mosques? You don't hear this kind of talk in synagogues? No definitely not! It's only churches so and the reason why it affects black people so much is because their money that comes with it. A lot of political money flows through the black church I mean, we talked about that with Margaret Sanger is alleged to be quoted. You know you had to get... Yeah, you gotta get the reverends involved in order to propagate a message Right and we all know if you've ever been to black church on the Sunday before or Tuesday before election it's gonna be some white people on the front row Or some politicians at least but its very stark because its like all these black people And then there are three white people sitting on the front row It's like oh yeah im here from

2:40:39 I'm running for the city council or whatever else. So hope you can and which is totally illegal Yeah, so I just want to point this out that this this the reason why bringing this up This is the when the pendulum started swinging that way what we're seeing real time now Is that pendulum is coming back? Via Clarence Thomas, which I told you Clarence Thomas was gonna be a major player in the previous show. You are right man and boy is he ever whoo And I told you how they would treat him Yeah If I mean he's really good. I mean it's like they're really going after him It's incredible. I mean they call them the n-word on Twitter its nuts Yes No, it's not. I'm in Kentucky called Kanye Kunye so I mean yeah, uh, I'm in the funny thing is

2:41:32 Kanye got suspended from Instagram for calling Trevor Noah a coon, but we've seen nobody's get suspended for Clarence Thomas in the way he's being treated. And I have my own issues with Clarence Thomas you know? I mean I have all of my issues with him but yeah... But he realizes that he's the man right now! He got a lot of juice-I don't know if any black man has had this much juice inside of the federal government in history He's a man. I'd be high. It sound like hyperbole, but you know that I don't see it. I mean we're talking about just look at Prop 8 you have this all over again they had it wrapped up with these no

2:42:21 Supreme Court decisions. Right, and Clarence Thomas is putting that back on the table? Nah! He said I'm on my way out. I'm gonna kick all of this over on my way out you know how y'all been treating me okay but he's not getting the pushback that you think you would have got from a quote-unquote black community no no he's getting the pushback from the media and from Black Lives Matter Inc., Roe v Wade Inc And that's where the white liberals. Yes, yes, yes in general because they were what they were saying some real like one lady she went all the way in uh but I told you when that pin that but this is the pendulum it's swinging back and once again it's like oh okay whoa y'all are pushing boundaries no and I say this to the same way I said about Black Lives Matter to Black Lives Matter Inc

2:43:17 You got to watch who's representing you. I don't care what you do in your bedroom, that's your business but the way they're portraying ya'll in the media right now with some of this stuff that is going on at these parades and... Have some dignity people! No what I'm saying is how you're being represented by a small minority is making it very hard for people to support Yeah the same way, like I always say with Black Lives Matter. The ink wasn't representing what the people wanted and that's why they're out on the island by themselves right now because the people aren't behind them so i'll say it's the same thing for all the other inks you know? It's gonna be the same thing with the border soon! How open do you want to be?! You see what I'm saying?

2:44:12 It's trust me then this pendulum is swinging backwards. I'm just like for warning people I Feel you the pendulum is swinging back in many places, I think it's and it always happens isn't its nature You almost can't help it It's just it works that way right but we got to be careful as the pendulum and I've always warned of this We don't want the pendulum to swing all the way the other way either because then we become a very The same thing. It's just on the opposite pole. Yeah, it's polarizing exactly Right So I think we started at 33? Or 34? We're at 34 now For me it was a sweet victory We had Obama but that next day the only thing we heard competing with the victory was the black community took gay marriage away from not all gay people It was a conversation about white gay people

2:45:05 So it became white gay people against African Americans. Wow! All I could say for the next few weeks was wow, because as I was trying to celebrate Obama, I felt like I was being called in by Obama into California to say how did you let this happen? Now last population check, I think African Americans about 70%- Stop stop stop, I can't let that slide Back in about 10 minutes cause she... Excuse me She said she like she was being called in by Obama and then she said like being called in by Obama Uh-huh. Here it is All I could say for the next few weeks was wow Because as I was trying to celebrate Obama, I was called in Like I felt like I was being called him by Obama into California to say how did you let this happen? Who calls her in who's got the juice there Was that her boss Norman Lear maybe

2:46:05 Now last population check, I think African Americans are about 7% of the state of California. Maybe? No one pulled the stats on 25% Latino community. No one pulled the stats on 12% Asian American community I had people just calling because CNN went up with this, you know, hellacious study. And then we just totally gave the evangelical white people a pass and decided that black America took gay marriage away from the state of California and then there goes California, there goes to country." Wow! That's quite the accusation

2:46:50 But we see it with a black man took away Roe v. Wade, it was five other justices devoted with Clarence Thomas. No he's the only one! It was the black guy yeah that's just... He did all on his own. That guy is horrible doesn't care about his children Right but once again this is how they're framing it but there is some.. We saw this with the vaccine if we don't get on board Other people are skeptical like, oh whoa wait a minute. Like I mean even though we don't have the numbers it's the...I don't know about that you know? That's why they push so hard and like making rap songs and everything else getting us on board Yeah just kept saying over and over again now historically of course we understand Tuskegee you know blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah They kept but you know it was a new time It's Fauci

2:47:53 Right, so it's the same thing with these other agendas. And when we talk about this, we're talking about political agendas And that's why I brought said Brock it was necessary for Barack Obama to do what he did in 2012 and make the pivot on whatever marriage was Because they weren't gonna let him play that role anymore, but they forced him They forced them by mate letting Joe's us have the cat slip out of the bag Exactly. Then there is our man Joe ready to go Once again Alright, I guess we get to the next clip. So now this is when they open up for the questions and as one of the people there in audience is going to ask her a question about the struggle between faith and her sexuality

2:48:42 There is a struggle there because there are words there and if we accept it as the indisputable truth, there's a problem. Because how do we reconcile? I want to go to heaven! I'm serious. I want to go there but also if my pheromones say that I am attracted to a female then I have that conflict so how do you address that? I addressed it real simple because I am a car carrying Christian One of my spiritual teachers taught me, know me by my deeds. So... My judge is not in the book The book is there as a guide but those were written by men I haven't heard one book that they told me God wrote Okay well now we're in a deep spot lady

2:49:36 Who's your God? Yeah, and she ends it with not one word did God write. Mmm This is why it's called the Testament It's the witnesses that Is the mega talking point that in Tupac only guy can judge me which people think isn't the Bible Which is not which is not mm-hmm But that's that's the mindset That was the mean that was the that was the push of I know, you know just kind of like with the Constitution. Yeah, I know some men wrote that thing back in a... Men! White man! White man wrote that bunch of dicks It's not the same anymore You know we need to it's the same thing The constitution is fluid document its gender fluid And this is the real attack on the patriarch yeah Is anything me and wrote there's no

2:50:31 Counter to whatever their agenda is gotta go and for her to say I'm a card-carrying member Christian And like, I don't care what she feel that blank in whatever it could be Muslim. It could be Jewish person Whatever it could be whatever then you say but I don't believe everything that's written in the book It's like so now how can you? Remember yeah But this is what they've done and like I said Al Sharpton got on board TD Jakes has gone on board And a lot of these people have gotten on board And had political gain from it. Mostly you see mostly yeah, so this is I'm sure that did that money that she'd at pool the money

2:51:22 that it's going right back into the church. And this is why poverty affects the quote-unquote black community so badly, that they need the resources and then they sell out. I'm not condoning it but I am just saying... You're gonna see more of this because I'll let you know now The Black Church is in trouble. Duto? COVID! No church no collections. No collections, no value. These churches have mortgages Yeah, I mean I sure hope if there's another situation like that no church allows that to happen. When you have the big institutions that you know they're more... Like the AME Zion, The Baptist, they'll be okay because they're more of a system. But it's the community churches? Right! The ones where

2:52:19 that were independent. A lot of these don't have 501c3s where they can freely speak how they want to speak because that's another thing in the show and I don't want to go make this a black church show but i'm saying that these was an end roll, and this wasn't all democrats either because I've heard republican donors push the same thing oh yeah take us off the line so... And it's only Christians like you would get ran out of a mosque If you went in there talking about, oh yeah we need... I don't care what Mohammed said. You know that was just a man! What? Yeah while you're at it draw cartoon of him that'll be fun see what happens That's exactly my point the seriousness other religions when even you mentioned their name and and We saw this with what happened in Florida with the Pulse nightclub Yeah That's not-that was one of the biggest if not The biggest shooting at a time in American history but the fact is that the shooter was Muslim

2:53:18 politics won't let them use it like they want to. No, just like with uh Uvalde I think is how you pronounce it yeah the fact that he was a Hispanic no they really can't use it like they want to know even though we shot his grandma in the head there's a lot of things that's not cool if you start like that right so I'm just saying like now we got to start questioning who is their God You know, is it there not? And like I said, I'm not here to convert anybody. I'm not even here to push my beliefs. Hello, this is the God of the Democrats. Sorry, couldn't resist. Couldn't resist. Glassmaster! Yes a little! That's... It's offensive because

2:54:14 the bedrock of somebody's beliefs, you think you can come in and bully them. They're anti-bullying but then they want to use bullying pulling your funds pulling your whatever attacking your money your financials to push their agenda so it's like whoa is it the God or did the god I believe in? The one saying what she says she believes in or is it these people that are giving me your talking points So that's the point I want to make out of that It's a some I'm still keeping my eye on Who was in that room? But I want to wrap up with Nellie Fuller jr. Just did this is about being effect You know seven have habits of highly affected people it's something effective for not and not for me personally but for the quote-unquote community that we always talk about so Nelly full is gonna rationalize um, it's

2:55:13 Homosexuality and lesbianism good for the quote-unquote black community. Yes, just like a person might come around and say well Hey You know I used to kind of be attracted to people you know had several wives and all like that even had a little incest I mean every now and then I'm a you know and But I finally came to conclusion that people ain't where is at it? All I'm in the bear hmm You know? They say, what do you mean you're into bears. I'm into bears! I go out in the woods and chase me down a bear The bear ain't chasing me no more, I'm chasing them. I have found that's a wonderful alternative. I mean after all man...I mean let's face it Look at these marriages and divorces and whatnot How am I having trouble with the bears?! I used to think of anything about bears except just going to ball games But I've found out that man

2:56:15 If you really snuggle up to a bear, you'll never want to go back. You're doing nothing else." Now where'd you get that idea? Well it just came to me one night. Tired of these women... In fact people was telling me well if you don't like women get your man! Well I'm tired of them too so i'm in the bear see now you might laugh but it's going come to that if it ain't already because there are some people into that Yeah, they call it what do you call it bestiality? Yes sir. Yeah see I mean that might be a wholesale thing in about another 10 years They say oh hey well You know this gay and lesbian thing but play it out man anywhere is that you know And everybody's trying to preserve the bears now. You know I'm trying to get me a panda The reason why put that in there is go trip

2:57:12 Go for 2010 when they were pushing this to now what's happening out in the streets. Oh, I totally agree! He is of course being kind of facetious but really you can push anything and it seems to work eventually And it's not about the people No Because I just laid that out on the first segment of the show we have gay men black being killed by a white man serial killer And nobody said anything. Where were all the activists at? Where was Black Lives Matter? They were just hustlers, they weren't people Exactly But he gets more serious in 37 Like I said, I just wanted to lay it out how asinine it sounds but now he gets more serious Now what is the point that I'm making It's a lot of things that man can do Man is extremely inventive and extremely flexible

2:58:07 But the basic question is, is this type of activity an improvement? And if so why. Otherwise why are you coming around asking black people who don't even have a roof over their head that this what they should be pushing now. They don't even have a decent school or decent job But now you want them to join the gay rights movement. And that should be their priority, we should drop everything else and make that a priority I don't see the justification at all They have some white people who came around years ago and started saying calling it the rainbow You know kind of uh...you might excuse the pun tailgating Jesse Jackson's rainbow push for civil rights

2:59:02 And then they got to saying, well what is this all about? And when the question was asked they answered by saying well it's another division of civil rights. Yeah! It's all the same thing. Discriminating against gays is the same as discriminating against blacks and a lot of black people say wait a minute...it may sound like the same thing but it ain't the same thing but they were able to shout all of that down. It is the same thing, why is it the same thing? Because I said so white supremacy in action again always because I said so let me ask you a question In general, I mean I know your stance a lot of our show has been about this do you feel black america uh

2:59:45 understands what's happening and does not agree with it? Or is it a percentage, I mean where do you think that is. It's two different conversations one what a person does and who they're attracted to that's one thing got it but the C-Cification the little Nas and I never mentioned his name but just their draw imagery the little Nas X aspect of it The pushing more of, and it's not even about homosex. It's about the flamboyancy of it. You have no representation across the spectrum because there is a spectrum inside their community but what we get is RuPaul, Lil Nas X uh... What's the Porter guy name? Billy Porter. You see what I'm saying like its' no serious- and maybe a better word for this but there's no serious- Hey man! We gave you Denzel and then that should just be enough

3:00:46 Right, that's the thing. It's just like hold on now these are two different things I mean why are you portraying and then The other thing is that as he said there's way other bigger issues that we need to deal with no kidding But they prioritize for us And they say, like I said white supremacy because I said so. Right? That's it is like what just like we heard in the insta-bullet clip when she came out and said what she said yeah they got on code when they uh... What you guys name um What's the comedians name? The little guy Kevin. Kevin Hart, he had to apologize twice Look at David Chappelle attacked on stage and was justified for telling a joke This is this is the true white supremacy this is We can check all your God or your god said what no no no I'm your god Yeah

3:01:53 And that's what, and I think we have one more clip left. Yes we do He is going to illustrate the point of white supremacy is their God. And that's how you handle religion too just go into question mode The minute a person says that god is their leader You keep asking questions and then after they answer the questions don't argue Don't ever argue with a person about religion Get back to that barbershop now where religion is talked about all the time Don't ever argue about religion Just ask questions about that person's religion. And then when that person get through talking about how much they believe in their religion, then watch and see what they do when the white supremacists come around. That's the test about who their God is if you know... You don't have to say nothing just watch what they do When the white supremacist come around and say I don't like what you're doing Well, What i'm doing is according my religion Oh! OH!

3:02:59 You know, you're going to tell me with your black self and I'm a white person in the system of white supremacy. And with your black self you gonna tell me about religion and what your religion tells you to do? And I just told you to do something that's just opposite? Oh now it's testing time now! And every black person on the planet understands that." Testing time? Yeah. They take this shot, Moe! I don't want to take the shot because I said so. Ain't never been a time where you're saying my jaw was tied to that vaccine and now it is today. Take the shot. I always love how Fuller always says supremacy instead of supremacy and i think it really matters that he pronounces it that way

3:03:55 And just to clarify for new listeners, what his definition of white supremacy is. A one world government? The same UN or whatever you want to call it. Anything starting with a W probably. Right! Gas was good 2016 to 2020 gas bad now Your money. Oh, I ain't worth nothing yeah, that's that's the best real white supremacy however you said it Yeah, that's very much Supremacy yeah, that's it cuz I say so your dollar or no your dollar were half what it was oh

3:04:37 Yeah, this is pretty big. And actually this leaves it open for many more episodes the way I see it We got a lot more ground to cover and really we...I mean I need to know who the fourth person was in the room This is bugging the crap out of me! I need to know who that was! We need to find that out and now just want to make it clear No one's safe from this, and when I mean this. Whatever you think your bedrock of belief is? Oh no! Vaccines, it used to be take one you're good for the rest of your life. Herd immunity! It used to be no white supremacy came along said no no herd immunity? What the hell is herd... I ain't never heard a herd immunity. That's off-the-table have you noticed that is completely gone there is no such thing we're only 90% vaccinated which at 80 you've got herd immunity supposedly. It's off the table yeah

3:05:37 That's it. Like I said, that's that one world government. That's that because I said so. Not able to question it. Thank you for another exhilarating lesson really! I mean I learned so much here and so much I missed and I'm kind of kicking myself because this Gillum thing man what a huge rabbit hole in the fourth person in the room. There is lot of innuendo to be picked up on but I just found it weird, like I said the DOJ is persecuting this black man. In their words, you know what I'm saying? And we gotta figure out what's going on because there are big forces at work and big things happening and it could be multiple parties or two different forces working against each other It seems that thats possible

3:06:31 Either way it pans out is gonna be interesting to watch and we're seeing the pendulum swing back We just need to make sure we humanize people have be empathetic Seek first understanding and understand be understood And then we can you know, make sure we don't swing too far back the other way either To become oppressive in just another on a part of polar opposite manner. I thank you for the work Moe fantastic Well done I appreciate that. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we will reveal ourselves on the next episode of Mo Facts with Adam Curry remember us at mofax.com Thanks brother! All right talk you later Adam.

3:07:30 Once in a lifetime, oh yeah! Downriver that rainbow and blue And those dreams that you dream really do come true Oh yes they do Someday I wish for that

3:08:14 The clouds are far behind me. Yeah, troubles melt like lemon drops. Oh, if a touch of mint pops that's where you'll find me. Storms that rainbow black. I'm in love with that rainbow, ooh Why? You know why Can't I? Tell me why Yeah, yeah Left behind me Yeah, yeah That's where you, you are Got my way

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