76: Third Rail

00:00 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for February 16th, 2022. It's episode number 76 Oh man, I've been looking forward to this one. Has everybody else? I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country and it's time once again to spin The Wheel Of Topics from here in Northern Virginia say hello to my friend on the other end ladies gentlemen Mr Mo Facts

00:44 How you doing, Adam? Well I'm always happy to talk to you. Physically I've been better. You know, I've been battling the Rona for a week but... I've heard! Yeah yeah other than that it's about time and it's gonna be really careful because if I die then people are like ha see see I told ya ehh you didn't believe it Now that would just be no good. I can't give anyone that satisfaction so... And if you die, the weekend it burnish you! Hey everybody, I'm just smiling the whole time. Yeah fantastic everything good on your end Mo? Everything is wonderful everything is wonderful. How did that the Kwame panel go

01:31 It went great. Now, I went looking for it... Is that not recorded? Can i not get the playback or is that only live? That was live and once you record it, it goes live. And then you can go back and watch it on what we call the replay on the YouTube side so... Yeah I looked for that though but couldn't find him. I don't know what I'm doing. Oh well... Don't worry about it! Anyway tell people what it was. Tell people what it was. Dirty laundry. It was valued is what it was. Um dirty laundry media from YouTube Go look him up. He contacted me and said, hey you want to be on a panel with Kwame Brown? And I'm like hell yeah! Wait wait no you went let me check my calendar hold on a second... I did not okay No because i try to make any requests You know what im saying so if anybody sends me uh you know you want to do this but it was great for the profile of me and the show um

02:30 So, went there had a great conversation around relationships and black families. And yeah you can check it out over there on YouTube somewhere we'll figure out how to get to you. And who else was on this panel? It was Kwame Brown me Dirty Laundry Media and he had a couple guests come in and out during the conversation Cool but-and you were all remote though Yes Okay Oh excellent How many people viewed it I'm not sure. I didn't go back and check the numbers yet, um been super busy but... Look at you Mo! I love seeing this this gives me the biggest joy of all it's like seeing an entrepreneur like bounce out of the gate excellent values coming from always the Facts family is running on all cylinders uh yeah so in

03:23 Before we get in the bag, I just want to say one quick thing. The biggest thing about this is people contact us about the last show. Oh my goodness! Yeah. And saying that they didn't realize that I was mad. Yeah, I know it was all worth it. Oh, I mean cuz I remember at the end they were talking about it And I think even after the show you and I talked for a few minutes like and you said well if it helps even one person Dude the amount of email I mean I know we got a lot of people copied us both on but I caught it I got a couple I think probably forwarded to you But it must have been like 10 12 15 20 people all with varying versions of it You know

04:01 Like I didn't really understand like how what was going on and it gave me a moment to reflect. And that was, and I tried to explain that well...I was able to explain it to Tina. I said this was something this was like our last episode this was for men you know? And we were doing something important for men and it hit home It's that silent killer, man. You know? That harboring those feelings you don't feel like you can talk to anybody about it so I'm glad it could help and it was when they came said they didn't realize they were mad as well And anger is like that silent deadly killer So but with that said I guess we all cranked it up We got a full bag whoo if you want to spin that wheel you bet here we go Full bag he says back up

04:47 Don't want to get hurt. There's that wheel of topics round and around it goes where it stops No one knows most know of course can you put something great for us together again the topic for mo facts episode number 76 is? We love the potluck You smell that I Smell me

05:25 It's that time again. So just let people know that the potluck we do these shows periodically where We take three four or five topics this today I got four And we're gonna just cover them like short segments, so I guess we can go jump right into the first one and clip number two Hello hello and welcome to The View I am back. Yes, the viewers welcome back Whoopi Goldberg on Monday the longtime co-host returned to the show following a two week suspension over comments she made about the Holocaust on January 31st episode and although she didn't directly discuss the controversy whoopee did tell the cameras that we're going to keep having tough conversations and in part because this is what We've been hired to do And it's not always pretty as i said and it's not always As other people would like to hear

06:17 But it is an honor to sit at this table and be able to have these conversations because they're important. They're important to us as a nation, and to us more so as a human entity." Now, to refresh your memory, Whoopi received major backlash and criticism on social media over her controversial comments which she later apologized for on Twitter And on the show prior to being suspended by ABC News President Kim Godwin. Now words matter and mine are no exception I regret my comments as i said and I stand corrected, I also stand with the Jewish people as they know and y'all know because I've always done that

06:59 And after reflecting on her suspension from the show, Whoopi took time to thank everyone who reached out to her while she was away. I want to thank everybody who reached out while I was away and i'm telling you people reach out from places that made me go wait wait what really okay and it was amazing and and I listened to everything everybody had to say and I was very grateful and I hope it keeps all the important conversations happening Oh yeah, this is good. I think that this is... Yeah, it's good to talk about this stuff. I want to know exactly what you think about all of these? Where are you going to get exactly what I'm thinking? As always because this one of those topics where you can't be honest on the mainstream media and this not gonna get into

07:51 per se what would be said and why it was wrong. I'll touch on that, but i want to cover how the media...how she was handled in the media because we always talk about when she was away Yes, yes. When she was awake and how enlightened and delightful it was to be suspended you know she couldn't even... That goes to show you that She couldn't even show that she was maybe angry or felt some kind of way about being suspended. She had like a total refresher like being at the spa It was yeah it was a total joyous occasion Yeah! So.. It was a religious experience man

08:32 Right, so we'll talk about what she said and where she went wrong. And why she got the uh but we're not gonna go like normally and I'm not gonna say normally 99% of the time We usually go back and get the full clip and break it down that way But like I said, I want to get into the media narrative around it and also talk about the relationship between black people and Jewish people. So, this may be the last show... That's the third rail! No seriously that that's the third rail right? It is I say that in jest but maybe you know because you're not allowed to talk about it so we're going to talk about why you're not allowed to talk about it more than what she said. Yeah I mean I know black podcasters who won't talk about it

09:20 Well, you met one now. On podcasters! You met one now so that we'll talk about it and that's the point of it being a newly free man talking well I've always been in free man talking but there is no nothing to be done with it. Your only answer to your creator That's it. Before they could try to get you up out of the job situation but thats not longer hanging over my head But yeah so we can really talk about everything now That's the cool thing about being independent. So let's just go ahead and get into clip number three. Whoopi Goldberg has been suspended from The View for two weeks after making comments about the Holocaust during Monday's show, where she said the Holocaust is not about race adding that it was about two groups of white people. As we mentioned in yesterday's show, Whoopi apologized on Tuesday's episode after taking to Twitter on Monday night

10:19 I said something that I feel a responsibility for not leaving unexamined because my words upset so many people, which was never my intention. And I understand why now and for that I am deeply deeply grateful because the information I got was really helpful and help me understand some different things. And while discussing how a Tennessee school board unanimously voted to remove the graphic novel about the Holocaust, I said that the Holocaust wasn't about race and it was instead about man's inhumanity to man. But it is indeed about race, because Hitler and the Nazis considered Jews to be an inferior race. Now words matter and mine are no exception. I regret my comments as I said and I stand corrected. I also stand with Jewish people as they know and y'all know because I've always done that. So when I became aware of this

11:17 controversy. All I knew was, and I know that from our conversations is, rut row! That's the third rail and I knew that was much more third rail than any of my friends know it Except the Jewish ones, except the Jewish ones. But they still don't understand exactly how it's a third rail for ADOS for black Americans. Well hopefully after this segment we'll be a little bit clearer so I gotta make this crystal clear first

11:53 Saying Jewish is like saying black in this aspect of it. Sure, there's multiple different variation of Jewish people you have Messianic Jews You have anti-zionist Jews and you had me saying you have Just the same thing with black you have generalization Yeah, you have found a foundational Black you have the ADOS you have no tips So yeah, you got hotel so this doesn't represent all Jews Jewish people this represents the people that can make her come out and apologize. This is what we're talking about, and has that kind of power over what can be said and what can't be said now I'm gonna take this time to explain where whoopee messed up it then why and why it was taken away it was from my perspective when she lumped Jewish people in with white people that ruins the whole narrative

12:50 Because with now how it works in the media and I gotta keep stressing this in the media when You say Jewish. It's kind of like we're white but not white at the same time, you know They they were kinda like passing my my Jewish friends Do not consider themselves white they don't if I ask him to say no, we're not white or Jewish It's that cut-and-dry But that's why I said similar to passing exactly because And when you operate in day-to-day, you can move about without feeling that... It's called shape shifting Moe. Just kidding! Well what it is is that when they go into business meetings or whatever they can be clauses now here's my question

13:42 About is it a race? Is the religion, you know cuz this is so weird thing because you had this thing called secular Jews or secular Jewish people where they don't adhere to anything religious But there are Jewish by lineage So you have that one thing but like I said will be where she messed up at by lumping them together When people are critical of white people quote-unquote that lumps them in. It's like, no! My protective cape around me you took that off and that's why they kept saying are you sure you want to do this? And what she was saying was if it was about race how we look at race of color the social I'm saying... What they call it? The social construct I believe is called a race yeah it was two white groups against each other That's exactly what she said Yeah so that's where she messed up because

14:35 when people are critical of white people, you know what I'm saying? The Jewish people can't and the media can't separate themselves. It doesn't fit in with the violent white supremacist extremists who want to kill Jews, you see. Right! Like Charlottesville. Charlottesville Correct So we're gonna get into the second part of this clip and then after that will get into some history of the relationship Now, despite her apology ABC's news president Kim Godwin announced Whoopi's suspension on Tuesday night saying this in a statement. Effective immediately I am suspending Whoopi Goldberg for two weeks for her wrong and hurtful comments while whoopee has apologized i've asked her to take time to reflect and learn about the impact of her comments the entire abc news organization stands in solidarity with our jewish colleagues friends family and communities yeah meanwhile former co-host Megan McCain weighed in on Whoopie's comment

15:27 writing on Twitter, I hate commenting on my old employer because i have moved in every way a person can move on. That being said, I am an activist against anti-semitism and it is a big part of my life the growing threat Israel environment and everywhere I'm heartbroken about what was said yeah here's how The View addressed Whoopi's absence today take a look Good morning welcome to The View you all saw the news whoopie will be back here in two weeks Okay, Teresit Mayor has returned to guest co-host. So let's get to hot topics ladies shall we?

16:04 It's muddy waters. I think at the end of the day, we have to educate to elevate words that come to mind educate elevate whoopies been around for a long time. I could appreciate that she was humble about it. You know, the initial thing is kind of like a wrong and strong you know but i think it's also generational and like mentioned living in black skin is just a different experience. It doesn't negate the fact You know, it's okay to educate ourselves about other cultures. We want that as black people learn about our plight Is it weird that I'm excited about this episode? I'm not quite sure what it is No, no It's cause we love dancing on the third reel Yeah The both of us and its not to be incinerary or just you know to provoke

16:56 No, no and nobody else wants to talk about it. Yeah the problem is yes Thank you that's exactly why we do this and Malcolm X commanded us to do that so hello We're just doing what were told Yes, I did want to say that One of our one of our really good friends She's a public school teacher high school AP in Austin And she's yeah, we're always laughing because hey You are favorite lib Tard and she as she played yes, I am and you know, but she's so open and so willing to discuss. And she's Jewish! So the only thing I want to say is in the past not just the past 24 months of the pandemic but also through most of the Trump presidency She has been truly terrified of anti-semitism and they're coming to get all the Jews

17:50 seriously beyond, like into hysterics. I've even talked her down a couple times. It's the same programming that we have some black people go through! So I just want to say although not Jewish myself that I have paid very close attention to when you know when friends of mine talk like that I want to know and so I've had a lot of conversation and so does that fear? That terror? And Just to make it seem like we've done some homework on all sides. You have to humanize everybody, of course in the whole conversation Right and like I said this is about more about how it plays out in the media And why certain people can't say there are certain things right if you even notice Joy Behar was really short Oh yeah with not being supportive So I think this would be a good time to get into

18:47 The strange relationship between black and Jewish Americans. Yes! The story of the relationship between the Jewish and Black communities in America is complex, with periods of division, harmony, hostility, suspicion, and apathy. What are the historical roots of both the cooperation and conflict we see between these two communities today? And how do we create a vision for a brighter future? In the late 18th and early 19th centuries, Jewish opinions on slavery were in line with their white neighbors. As the politics of the U.S shifted, Northern Jews increasingly opposed slavery while Southern Jews continued to be sympathetic to slave ownership— though there were notable exceptions. These included Rabbi David Einhorn who, in 1861 gave an anti-slavery sermon. His congregation erupted in anger

19:35 and the rabbi was forced to flee to the north. In the early 20th century, the Jewish community's demographics and opinions began to shift Jews migrating from hostile countries settled in Northeastern American cities where they encountered black southerners fleeing Jim Crow laws and other forms of extreme racism Coming from anti-semitic Europe, many Jews recognized and drew attention to the parallels in the black and Jewish experience. Some Yiddish newspapers referred to violent attacks on black Americans like the Tulsa Massacre as pogroms However even with these positive developments division remained between black and Jewish Americans Both groups were lightning rods for other people's hatred And many Jews who aspire to assimilate or just make a living Were afraid of associating too much with a group so openly mistreated

20:21 Hmm. So where's this from memo? This is from unpack on YouTube. Mm hmm. So I figured out use anything YouTube so sure it's approved government approves right it stamped in safe but that is the thing that there has been this relationship between good mean bad and a sense of slavery When you want to talk about, there was a significant amount of percentage of plantations owned by Jewish Americans. And then when you go north, you had what we talked about in the last show these race riots that was part of the clash as well because they're all competing for this same resources and You also had where this distrust not distrust but

21:20 Um, you... You're my ally for now. Yeah but it was seen as bad as to associate with because I heard in that clip literally because of where the black man stood in society. And then there was distrust on the other side cause like are you only dealing with us because we share the same problems? But once you assimilate Right Then you saying you're gonna turn your back on us so that's what a distrust comes in at between this strained relationship So I think this is, we have five parts to this clip. So they did a really good job of unpacking and capturing what it's like between it and we can see some things that still exist today

22:01 So if you want to go ahead and get into number six, we can. This distance remained until the 1930s when the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany paralleled an increase in anti-Semitism in the U.S.. Fearful and in need of allies Jewish Americans sought support and the black community was one of the few to join their cause Black and Jewish organizations began working together to challenge employment and housing discrimination, combat racial and religious violence, and fight for inclusion in social and professional spheres. In the years following the Second World War, the bond between communities grew. Jews made up at least 30% of non-Black freedom riders risking arrest and violence for Black solidarity

22:42 Jewish lawyers battled Jim Crow laws, while black organizations like the NAACP whose founders included Jews supported the creation of the State of Israel. Black and Jewish Americans along with other minorities led the effort to desegregate medical associations, southern universities businesses, and community activities while working to introduce social programs for the benefit of all members of society. While Southern Jewish support for segregation dwindled, the community was still torn over how to respond. Southern Jews faced pressure from their Northern counterparts to condemn segregation but they feared that making official statements against segregation would result in retribution from their white neighbors. Others argued that the community need not make official statements about a topic that didn't directly relate to the Jewish community as a result, some Southern Jewish institutions withdrew their support for national Jewish organizations that came out publicly against segregation. Huh? I didn't know that. You don't hear about this divide? No! At all... And for people to

23:45 don't know what's going on. The narrative is black people are hand in hand with Jewish people and they share the same plight, and they're all on the same board with the same struggle One thing is the NAACP but we pointed out in a show I have you saying and I guess you agree because I've laid it out so clear that even the groups like NAACP were started or ran by Jewish people And what it does is this, from my perspective black people are the bottom. So anytime the bottom can be raised up and given certain privileges everybody above that is going to receive a bump. It's kind of like all rising tide boats. Right so if you raise black people up then we're gonna enjoy that

24:41 you can't treat us any worse than black people. So if black people can be treated humanely, then that benefits Jewish Americans." That's kind of how the relationship goes but the problem is if we were hand in hand as it's kind of illustrated here why don't you see the same amount of success? Why don't you see the same amount of even just like the loyalty being reciprocated Why don't you see that? Why didn't you see Joy Behar and going to the office and say, no. You can't fire, I mean, you can't suspend Whoopi. She's a ally because if the shoe was on the other foot, and I have proof of this but we're gonna... If the shoe was on the other foot, Whoopi would go in that office and say, No! You can't suspend Joy. She's an ally. And I think that's probably also who Whoopi is and Joy Behar just seems like a two-faced person regardless

25:37 But, um... I'm yeah. I mean, I think that she chose the job and she doesn't feel like she has the power to do that in this situation. This is a reoccurring thing where it's not... The love is not reciprocated Sure So that's what causes the distrust And then they also do this weird thing where even in this package we have here It was the North people that were good and South people that were bad. Well, of course yes You see the same thing here So this is really just a subplot of the overall north-south racial divide Correct. Yeah, so I mean that's that's the thing it just well That's good to know. I mean you don't feel the love coming back sure feel the love coming back and

26:33 But that started a long time ago, this love not coming back. It seems like it's always been that way Well I'll say this from my studies and i could be wrong you know what im saying but from my understanding in my study am i living this experience basically jewish people were the boulay for black people before they create the boulay seriously they was like you know, we'll keep them in line and that kind of thing. You understand? And that's kind of how they're gaining their way up the ladder." Well okay so my- The only experience I have with that which is a... Which would immediately be deemed an anti-semitic trope but we both agree were going to dance on the rail but i literally saw uh in the music industry this dynamic play out all the time particularly with black artists

27:28 Right up to Michael Jackson, by the way. I know firsthand like shut up You can't go to the bathroom stay in the limo and that's where it really plays out is in Entertainment yes an entertainment which is what we're dealing with with whoopee that's exactly it That's why I said let's focus on the media And we can bring in entertainment as well because anytime I'll give you a sample when Bill Maher gets into trouble with black people he'll bring a black person home But every time a black person gets in trouble with saying anything anti-semitic, you can't find anybody around to come along and put their arm around him and say he's cool. And then it even goes in further than that because if you have any association

28:13 with anybody deemed problematic, you're done. IE Farrakhan. Farrakhan is the litmus test to say oh well you've... It could be as simple or you took a picture of Farrakhan with your arm around him and you were saying apologize now right? Or are you going to work in this town kind of thing And i'm just saying i'm channeling what it's felt and seen Now I'll say this I have no problem with the music industry. The reason why is if you claim yourself a man, a fully autonomous man when you sign a contract, you should know what's in that contract

28:53 So I don't, nobody can get you. Oh i got God? No you didn't get God! You didn't read." You know so it's- you can't have it both ways and that's going to be a forewarning that's gonna be um uh weaved into this whole episode even though it's a potluck that you can't say I'm an autonomous person and then say somebody got you yeah You feel what I'm saying? Either don't do business with that person or know what you're signing on to do business with. But this is as old as the music business, today's modern music business itself going back to here son here's a Cadillac

29:31 Well, you walked me right into it but Cadillac Records is a great... Have you ever seen that movie? Of course. Okay so Cadillac Records So the whole thing there is they took payment in other forms, Cadillac clothes those kind of things and then felt like they were done wrong It's like no you should have known what was your contract So for myself I always take the Howlin' Wolf approach Pay me what you owe me You know what I'm saying? That's all i want. You know what I'm saying, I don't want anything else but what you owe me because there may be some strings attached that comes along with that down the line so if people for people who don't know howling wolf he was very independent in that way in that movie where he wouldn't take cars or clothes and nothing like that He was just like whatever you owe him pay me yep and that's it and that's kind of how

30:21 I actually take part of that when I do business as well. It's like, I don't want anything other than what we agreed upon." But to be fair that was all learning ground so the people who were on the other side of the equation they have centuries if not more of trade and business and understanding And at that time you know the talented black artists didn't have that So it is only way to learn sometimes is to go through the crap now that people can't look back and say, hmm hold on a second what can I learn from this? That's really inexcusable. But there's a lot who would completely get it out of it and I think most of todays modern hip hoppers control a lot more than they used to be No. No Kanye doesn't

31:14 No, because he even said it. Remember he said and wouldn't I don't know if you remember where he said they signed me to a deal on the 256 page of the contract right now saying I know I understand but his moving for he's broken away from that now hasn't he? Yes. Yeah, I mean the fact that he got him saying but Until he got God yeah, and his mind I'm gonna say in his mind And that's why I appreciate Kanye because he understands. I signed the contract even if he didn't blame anybody right well simply on entertainment Let me just bring up one point and the Super Bowl since you know saying this oh Yeah Yes, wait no. They have please I saw it so with the Super Bowl

31:56 I'm gonna say it from this side. Notice conservatives, they were got kind of been out of shape about the Super Bowl saying it was...I've heard terms like pornographic It was racial baiting that kind of thing. You mean the halftime show specifically? Yes, the half time show specifically excuse me Let me for people to you know say may not going on with a super bowl But that was a big deal let me fill people in so the Superbowl half-time show is supposed to be a form of reparations or atonement for the ill-doings of the NFL. Yeah, this is why they hired Jay Z's Rockefeller to do the halftime shows and see we love black people!

32:35 Exactly, but when it comes out and says oh when people come out are critical of it They don't take it to the record labels. They didn't go to Jimmy Iovine No, so why would you argue in fight and blame? The workers because there's all snoop and drain all the work their workers I mean how people can get upset about or not and Jay-z was just a glorified Event planner They weren't gonna let you get any ownership, but my point is the slings and arrows stop with the workers. It never goes to the... they never blame their source. I think it's named Sumner Redfield, Jimmy Ivine all these people they never get any blame

33:24 for the problematic or the perceived problematic nature of hip-hop. It always stops at the artist, but like if you stop it at the funding then you wouldn't have these people. And so I just guess that's a great illustration of Jimmy Iovine reaps all the benefits but he gets none to blame because he lets his workers take the blame. Right, but Dre did get a piece of ownership in that whole Apple deal and everything with Beats No, he did but I'm just saying he was out there working. What i mean by worker is on the stage Yeah You know what im saying that part of it I didn't hear anybody critical of the Super Bowl Of course not Take it to the top Well you also would never just hear that in the mainstream narrative That's just not gonna be done so even if someone could because its career suicide they know it

34:21 So it's like we're convenient, like we're cannon fodder at the end of the day. That's how it was perceived. Hey, listen! Listen we gave you Eminem Can't you be happy? You got a white guy alright Do something with him Yeah he was the only one who could take a knee too He was like Alright Eminem... You're the only one who can take a knee We don't want no shenanigans out of the rest of you What is interesting is that Tina and I were watching And Tina's like oh she singing along She's white girl Although she's half Mexican And she's like yeah this is what a great halftime show And then later she's like

34:56 Looking at Twitter. She's like what is everyone bitch about? What happened here? She didn't get it. She just loved it He thought it was a great show she enjoyed it thoroughly It was a great production, but I said that'll be another show for another day. I don't want to I Don't wanna tear too long. All right. It's just the fact that one and I'm gonna show you how this is Once again, I don't blame Anybody that whatever you sign on a contract with is what you get. Whatever deal you make, that's what you get I don't blame anybody for anything But I want to just show how power works Yeah There's no way Jewish Americans will see Beth Mittler You know saying before me at the Super Bowl halftime show as a win racially it was like oh we got

35:46 Right, okay. We need about three owners now. Yeah, right spots and then we can call it even Maybe maybe one or two more coaching spots that would be kind of even I know that We won't tangibles we want something not some performative something that just looks good on the surface. We want actual institutional change, so I say all that to say pay attention. You know what? Emulate the greats as Rick Ross would say you know you copy what works if that's how power is achieved and maintained

36:27 learn from it. I'm not a hater, i don't hate on anything as far as that you know if there's a win its a win but I'm just saying to the people that are allowed themselves to be cannon fodder stop being cannon fodder so I guess we kind of hung on that one little long so I guess when going jumping in number seven The growing northern Jewish population did not share the concerns of their southern counterparts. Iconic photos of Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel marching alongside the Reverend Dr Martin Luther King Jr encapsulates the best of the black-Jewish relationship at that time, often called the Golden Period between the two communities. Rabbi Joachim Prinz who devoted much of his life to the American Civil Rights Movement spoke just before MLK took the podium in DC to deliver his famous I Have a Dream speech

37:13 the truth. Black and Jewish Americans continued the fight for civil rights during the 1964 Freedom Summer Project in Mississippi, where Jewish activists joined others helping register black voters and joined protests in front of courthouses. In June 1964 James Cheney Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman were abducted and murdered for their fight for equal voting rights The ensuing outrage pushed Lyndon Johnson to sign the Civil Rights Act the following month While Jews still faced discrimination in the 1960s The ability for many Jews to pass as white still set them apart from their black peers. Jews had relatively greater access to education and finances, giving them more class mobility. These opportunities combined in some part with the healthy bonds between the communities enabled Jews to open businesses and buy property in predominantly black areas a degree of coexistence that sowed the seeds of discord A Jew was now their boss, landlord or creditor

38:09 playing into age-old anti-semitic tropes. Yes, professor. Yes we know your curriculum is very impressive yes you've always amazed us I couldn't predict the whoopie thing but i'm just saying that it's supposed to be that way That's exactly what we want So why isn't there all the 4 000 lynchings that happened post-slavery? That wasn't enough

38:54 But you're saying three Jewish people get together and they're like, oh yeah we gotta sign a bill now. And then what I'm saying is that- Yeah? I want to make this very clear This is not about one group or the other group because I bring the same heat and intensity of feminism as how black women signed on with them and got their short end of the stick So this is not It's also giving me insight into Jewish Americans Insight I didn't have Right, that's the whole- That's why I want to... So same thing. When we come to the table and have these conversations then we can actually understand and say hey

39:32 That's why you feel that way. You know what I'm saying? Okay, seek first to understand then to be understood it's like oh now i get why and how do you feel that way and that's why I said they were the boulé before the boule because they own all the shops They are all that mean in the black neighborhoods The shops, the real estate, that kind of thing And they had this thing where not all But it was common where you would rent, I forget what it's called but basically you will buy a house but it wasn't a mortgage. So if you miss one payment they could take your house from or if you were late with one payment they could take your house from. Like rent to buy or something? Kind of similar that you lose your deposit basically all whatever you put in and they would turn around sell the house

40:14 So I'm just saying this is what built into that tension. Yeah, that's the distrust right there and again you were got by the Jewish man with a shitty contract that you didn't read No but we weren't got because we didn't read it or we didn't understand it This is what its about talking about being a man when your are a man autonomous I can read like you can read I can do math like you can do math If I didn't read that contract, just like with your terms and services on your apps. Yeah. You said when you just scroll down to the bottom and check and they come up to you like five years from now like hey you sold this year our first kid we don't need that. No, you're the human centipede.

41:01 So that's the thing, and that's why I carry myself like I do because this feeds on the last show of you can't be a victim. You know? That's why I rally so hard against victimhood because when you say you're a victim then you're saying You need help. Or you need, you know what I'm saying? And I can read people's minds right now and they're saying but Moe, you're for atonement! No no let me make clear what i'm talking about. Let me make this clear first of all about atonement. I am saying that I'm not voting for anybody until you have something for me.

41:38 I'm not begging you for anything, but when you want something from me we're going to have a transaction. See how that works? It's not all please please please and that's why i want to get away from that word reparations because it lends to repair oh i need you to fix me please fix me No! I have something that you want call the vote and you have something i won't call money alright so we can just have a fair exchange But it's not that I want you to fix me, then i'm a victim. So I just want to make that very clear. Yep all right so sorry no yeah That's actually the most succinct you've ever said it I think Yeah that's It's so obvious and by the way it's the way votes is the way it works all over the world That's how business works

42:24 Now, we ain't no friends and all. I'm gonna get you on the back end." No uh-uh! Ain't no back end. I'll make your hole bro don't worry. Right? Uh-uh. We're going to need to see something up front so...I guess we can go ahead and get number eight now Throughout the 1970s and 80's, the bonds between the Jewish and Black communities strained under growing racial tensions in urban America. Atlanta's first Jewish mayor employed racist rhetoric in his re-election campaign against black challenger Maynard Jackson In 1984, presidential hopeful Jesse Jackson made a number of anti-Semitic comments referring to Jews as Haimis. The growth and increased visibility of the anti-Semitic Nation of Islam didn't help matters As the Israeli Palestinian conflict drew greater international attention division between communities mounted as Palestinians were increasingly seen as people of color with Jews seen as white oppressors

43:20 And while many in both communities continue to cherish the golden period of the 50s and 60s, others began to portray Jewish support for civil rights as paternalistic and therefore just another form of racism. Tensions seemed to come to a climax in the 1991 Crown Heights riots which erupted after a Hasidic man accidentally veered his car onto a sidewalk killing seven-year old Gavin Cato The next day in retaliation, 29-year old Yankel Rosenbaum was stabbed and beaten by a group of black men. Rosenbaum died a few hours later from his wounds over the next three days rioters looted stores and damaged Jewish property the violence of the Crown Heights riots touched a nerve for some the pain mistrust and anger continues to this day I was uh in New York at the time and I was doing The Morning Show on Z100 when this went down

44:12 It was it was an intense time and a lot of the leadership that we so-called leadership We have now in the black community got caught up in that this era And saying things like Jesse Jackson said Al Sharpton had his moment, and it's amazing now That they're still allowed to have leadership. Maybe that's how their co-op didn't compromise just give me a thought for a minute Yeah well you know When it comes to Al Sharpton, you know... Well he has therapy. I mean he's like a protected man, you know? He- I read that he actually had the- he blessed the Comcast NBC merger

44:56 that they had some racial diversity equity issues in the merger, the SEC wouldn't approve it until his coalition network whatever his thing is. Until they'd blessed it and probably Jesse Jackson as well and then Sharpton got his MSNBC show like six months later Right and that's my point is that that's the gas and brakes right now. It's the gas so we can use him You know or he has if he had the ability to cause them strife Yeah, but they're not gonna have him be able to completely leverage them Oh never, no never. You remember Al don't forget the uh you know those statements that you made up in Harlem or don't it say the same thing with Jesse Jackson? When they really need to bring you in yeah and reign you in yep it's like hey let me and then hey Jesse let me talk to you for a minute. Hey do you remember that tape and it's the same way now it's like

45:51 Hey, who went fill in the blank? You remember you was at Farrakhan's festival. Yeah. Farrakhan is the go to now he's the any anybody... He so toxic And we've seen this with Tameka Mallory that she had to go on the they actually put her down to the beach wait Who's who's Tameka Mallory? She's the one she's what she is done. She's the heir apparent of Al Sharpton, I mean oh Yes We you sent me a YouTube before the other day right yeah so she sees an air parent but also

46:27 She had gotten in trouble with Linda Sarsour. I think that's how you pronounce her name? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Democratic Socialist... No wait, isn't she the one trying to infiltrate with the DSA with the She was big on the pro-Palestine stuff. I think she's a Muslim American? Yes, she is yes. Which once again goes back to with the whole Jewish thing it's like are you a race or religion because when we talk about Muslims it's like no um I think it's Arab I don't want to offend anybody but I think when your

47:05 from that region of the world, Middle Eastern. But you're... when you are from the area but you are not of the faith it's a clear distinction yeah we don't have that with the Jewish situation Tamika's parents were founding members of Sharpton's National Action Network correct So that's what I'm saying, her association with Farrakhan is her control mechanism. Right right of course. Because anytime we need to get you back in line we can just say hey remember uh... We found this picture of Tamika Mallory with Farrakhan it just popped up all of a sudden! Interesting even though its 10 years old let's get that circulating on the internet again

47:56 Yes, it's interesting. I'm looking for it now if it's on YouTube but I don't think so. Oh they'll scrub it because they need it. They can't be ready available. Exactly! That's why... They gotta drop the one that is hot. Alright so let's go ahead and get into Unpacked 5 More recently, old wounds were reopened when voices within movements like Black Lives Matter and the Women's March made anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist remarks. In 2019 extremists connected to the black Hebrew Israelite movement were responsible for the murder of four people including two Jews at a Jersey City synagogue and kosher supermarket For some these are simply isolated incidents

48:38 for others. This violence points to a broader, unacknowledged anti-Semitism reflected in Anti-Defamation League polls that find Black Americans are significantly more likely than white Americans to accept anti-Semitic stereotypes. Despite these ongoing tensions the communities continue to find common ground. A shared sense of fear and urgency after the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville alarmed both communities, and triggered a rise in collaboration between some Jewish and Black organizers and activists. In 2019, the late John Lewis along with congressional representatives formed the Bipartisan Congressional Caucus on Black-Jewish Relations which now consists of 55 members

49:19 Today's efforts at cooperation always fall under the shadow cast by the traumas of racism and anti-Semitism, pain and mistrust. But there is tremendous hope. One year after the Jersey City murders, members of both communities say the violence has forced them to leave their respective bubbles and confront difficult issues together — a model relevant well beyond Jersey City. As Pamela Johnson of the Jersey City Anti-Violence Coalition Movement said We may not have always understood each other, but we are all in this together. Huh... I wonder if there's a way out? Sit down and have the conversation That's about it right

49:59 And I think that's my point is this we're not talking about all on both sides. We're talking about because there's messianic Jews, there's anti-Zionist Jewish people because they get just as much or more smoke because they're seen as the quote unquote sellouts of their group it's like how are you gonna go against... It's a form of colorism Yeah, so let me we said a couple of things in that clip. One that the Charlottesville thing was this maybe be the source of the renewed anxiety that you spoke to before and your friend was feeling because it's the right propaganda and mind control and these spells work is It works like hey, you can't say it doesn't work

50:50 But the way you diffuse it is you have to unpack the conversation. Now, we talked about the money and getting God and that kind of thing but there's another thing that we haven't talked about yet And its about who are the real Jews? Who are the real Jewish people because...and thats why they brought up this black Hebrew Israelite group Yeah, that was on my list Yes So what do we got You have black people, some black people that believe that we are the chosen people. Just by what is written in the Bible you look at the curse of Deuteronomy 28 and like yep, yep, yep, yeah that sounds like us

51:35 I'll have to read that now. Hold on a second, Deuteronomy what? Deuteronomy 28 so it goes down the curses of the chosen people and when you look at some of that stuff in there is like hmmm... That's very interesting and then like I said we all people do this even in China you know saying they say Christ is Chinese they show Christ as Chinese or Asian you understand kind of thing so you have this going on but this is another real thing of significant number of black people think Jesus is black and that makes the Jewish people have to be black just by association. Right, well it's highly unlikely Jesus was a white guy that doesn't seem very logical That's the issue of it so its like hold on now this doesn't make any sense

52:26 But my point is this, so I noticed on YouTube they let these black Hebrew Israelites and i'm not talking about the brother because I got some friends that are black Hebrew Israelites. So I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the ones that stand in the corner of New York and DC and these places And they yell the most violent racist Just crazy stuff, but you two don't take them off. It's like hold on wait wait a minute wait a minute You get removed for this like this might get removed I mean should be I'm the offer I'm thinking about not even posting it This is how real it is hmm seriously people know if you don't see it on YouTube yeah well I kind of want to know if it gets taken down that would be highly surprising and

53:15 No, it wouldn't be highly surprising because that's what I'm saying. That's U2s policy It's like we have a no anti-semitism policy but yet and still you have these black Hebrew Israelites It's like a caricature of them. They stand on the corner and they're allowed to yell all these crazy things But they don't get taken down so it's like is this working for your benefit? Who are they yelling against black people Jewish white people in general, but they I'm saying they go at Jewish people even harder But nobody takes him now. They've been understanding lighten but the point is just take it from YouTube for a minute

53:54 They're in like Times Square, Washington DC just standing on the street corner. Yeah doing this and it's like hold on are you I have to think about is this beneficial to your sand to submit cement that fact that you know saying this hate exists out here right? You know its used for their advantage because I'm just finding weird of what they do take now and they leave that up Just strange. It's a strange situation. Doesn't help the brotherhood come together thing any? No, and what it does is it makes everybody that you're saying say they subscribe to black people being the people of the book or the Bible like oh yeah he's one of them hateful people. You know what I'm saying this is like with anything like blacks...I'll give you a great parallel white nationalists right

54:49 Or black nationalist, just say that. If you say you're a black nationalist it's like oh your one of those white nationalists but just black and we clearly said Malcolm X was a black nationalist meaning in the definition how he says it saying we need to create our own things and have our own things but by association you can be demonized Yes of course So I'm just wondering why they allowed to be left up there on YouTube and they're never taken down. Um, it's you is...I find that to be convenient uh... As as i say It's total bullshit if you want to make the world a better place Yes Yeah That's what I said. It's lame. It's lame obviously yeah so that's the history of it and like I said that's just this This isn't outrage we will not have these black Israelites getting away with it

55:41 Right what they're saying anybody and he is realized yeah, well they say anybody that says that there believe that their chosen people are like them. Right, and they need to be dealt with it's the same way they do... They did it we're saying we've seen it done with the Muslims like everybody this Muslim is like a part of Taliban you know? It's like what how do you make that? But you know so just I just want to be clear my fix is I don't give a crap what YouTube does the more stupid they are the better and people will eventually wind up in other places that just our fairer and work better

56:17 So I'm not trying to get anyone to fix anything with YouTube. Screw them! No, but I care because if someone says that they believe that they're the chosen people and you go on YouTube and look it up is like oh then you come back like hmmm... You're in a hate group! That kind of thing so yeah that's why I have a problem with it because it is just pushing there actually there is this corporate funded hate And so that's why we need to get rid of YouTube, you know what I'm saying? And find better things do. Yes In the meantime this is the mall of eyeballs So we have to siphon off as many people before we leave As my man TD say and i always mess his slogan up with like basically We don't want to grow big on YouTube We want to grow big enough to be independent of YouTube Hey who's TD? Who's TD Media

57:07 Oh, oh. Yeah he's yeah I'll... One of these days one of these days i gotta hang out with the U E-class TD media That's what The Converse is about! He's been on The Converse that's what we do over there you know saying? We uh we hang out you should stop by Now I mean like really hang out Well I've never really hung out with TD You understand thats a YouTube friend but he's a real friend at the same time That's not a safe space for me Moe. I'm good here, I'm good here with you this is my safe space right here. So what i want to show now is this is when Jorah Bayhar got called out for wearing blackface oh yeah do you remember that? Of course of course all right so I want to show you the lack

57:59 reciprocating love, I think you call it reciprocity. That's the term for it? Where hey one hand washes the other right? So Joy got kicked off the view for two weeks or any time at that time the Capitol fence and wearing blackface. People were getting counseled left and right but somehow she was able to weather the storm But not only the weather, the storm. I want you to pay attention how the other people specifically the black people on the panel of The View came to her defense over the Blackface issue number two is this joy speaking joy?

58:43 They say enjoy that paraded around in blackface not too long ago. Come on, Joe I don't think you should be asking these questions- That's not true! Excuse me, excuse me! Come on Kim, excuse me I have to say something to you He told Bob Woodward that it was a very serious issue and its airborne And then he went out and told the American people Don't wear masks its all gonna go away You have to put some blame on your president, I'm sorry. You're putting it on something extraneous here. Talk to the point please Is this Joy speaking? The same Joy that paraded around in blackface not too long ago. Come on, Joy I don't think you should be asking these questions. That's not true! Excuse me, excuse me the black community had my back they know that was an homage. Oh please just answer the question. The Black Community has your back?!

59:36 The black community has your back. The black community did not vote for you. Stop, stop right there! I want people to pay attention to Joyce Sunny Teller Like she was saying like her attack doll, like. Yeah, yeah. Sunny so just bring back up a little bit and spend five seconds so people can hear kind of hard to hear someone on I'm saying some people can clearly will hear what's going on. Come on Joe i don't think you should be asking questions. I am excuse me the black community had my back they know that that was not he has my eyes an homage oh please just answer the question. The Black Community has your back?

1:00:17 The black community has your back? Yes, they do. Sunny, the black community did not vote for you! The black community did not vote for you! What planet are we living on?! It was during a special election... Sunny can I speak? What planet are you living on!? It was during a special election while we were still under lockdown and I could not talk to people. Juuust Sunny which is also a lawyer which makes it even better. Wait, Sunny why didn't Sunny come to uh Whoopi's defense That's her sister, right? What I'm saying is... But you know why because Sunny's husband is Jewish. Oh really now? Oh yes! So what I'm saying is why didn't these people go- You hear how they rode for joy against Kim Klesik who was pretty damn black

1:01:08 So you hear, oh really? Wow they got your back. Oh wow! Sonny had no problem jumping all over Kim on George's behalf but why didn't these same people go into I think it was ABCs office and say you know what we're gonna make a stink if you get rid of Whoopi because that's our sister that's our view sister right? You ain't none of that well where was at it so I can uh it comes back to what we said before even though I'm not a fan of most the people we've been playing clips of, I don't think they're inherently evil racist horrible people. They are cowards and they're cowards because they know where their control is That's my point! Yes, that why i am saying it And then that is the most anti-semitic trope you can ever come up with and I have been punished for in mainstream for saying well here's what I'm seeing

1:02:08 And that's why it can never be discussed, but you know same school teacher I talked to her about this that way she says oh yeah absolutely of course It's like you know did you can discuss it with real friends But I don't think that really is discussed in public. That's just not happening doesn't happen except here now and you can have these private conversations That's fine mm-hmm, but when was like well You have the toe a line And like I said, I'm not holding that against them or anybody when you know if you want if it's the kind of power that you will fine but at the same time When joy got called out for blackface and we're saying black faces a bad thing. There's no exception given joy. I'm sorry Sunny and whoopie was supposed to go in her dressing room like a George. I am sorry, you know the cold Oh

1:02:59 You gotta sit it down for a week or two. I mean, that's just you know how it goes but you see It's not about...I don't want to take power away from anybody What I want to do is if that was how power operates and looks like where you're saying you can say this is bad for our brand That's not gonna fly Let's go back to Super Bowl for a minute If the majority of black people said Maybe having gangster rappers on a Super Bowl with twerk is not a good look for us. You know what I mean? It's not it's not a net-sum win, you know and then they... nah we're not gonna do it." If I may say yes I love these short stout dancers a lot

1:03:45 I just want to... Curry like a thick, well y'all pay attention. That's-I'm just saying it something about the moves and then i'm an entertainment guy right? I can totally remove myself from all the bullshit. I'm like shit yeah that's good! I mean I'm right down to chubby 50 cent hanging upside down like surprising like that move you know it was like ice I see it for what it is sometimes he just can't read too much into it but that's not the world we live in and I totally get what you're saying I told you. So it's not about trying to take away or silence people or anything like that, all i'm just saying we're all about fair if it's fair for one group to do this then should be fair for all groups to do this and especially if we're allies yeah that's the thing if we're allies then it needs to be you know uh an allegiance a real allegiance yeah right so I got another clip you're saying from this is another

1:04:45 I don't know who it was, I couldn't figure out who was talking. Maybe you can catch his voice but this is not Kim but this is another guy calling Joy out and listen to the response of the panel. We don't want to have a country like that do you understand that? They don't like the vets or the chemistry so they never mind looking for the results. We've all done things we regret if were talking about bringing discourse down You've worn blackface. Whoopie! No, I have not! I'm sorry and don't... If you do it- You said that Roman Polanski It wasn't rape rape when he raped a child So let's talk about serious things That's not fair The question came up about- I did not go in black face please No she was not in black face Thank you

1:05:32 Sorry, listen being black. I recognize black face this I can say he's in praise of naturally curly hair They say that it's making a comeback when you're sorry. I've always had curly hair y'all statement Huh? What do you think? Oh? Picture No I was so cute. Are you my auntie Joy? That is me! What year is the circle at? It was a Halloween party, and it went as a beautiful African woman Oh yeah, she ain't black But that's my hair! You can be...yeah but it is Why are you upset with me now? Because I thought that was...that IS ME

1:06:27 I had makeup that was a little bit darker than my skin. We've got to fix it! But, that's my actual hair now... If i may analyze this with my MoFax with Adam Curry learnings over the past 75 episodes, I would say the violation here is the other rail you're not supposed to touch which is black hair. I would say that was probably equally as offensive as uh as the so-called a blackface episode. And that was something I would never talk about on the show! No, we have balls but we're not stupid right? You took the word right out of my mouth and said I'm crazy but i ain't stupid But no you hear the tone or the difference now if it was somebody else a politician of another ilk or somebody or just say if it was Megan McCain had the black face on

1:07:22 You know it wouldn't have been laughed off. No, you wouldn't have been you know it would Blackface and then for her even say that no I didn't wear black face only wore dark makeup there portray myself as an African princess That's not black face Not at all When do we start giving these passes and just to show you this is not about oh just a particular group. I feel the same way about the Democratic Party with the former governor down in Virginia, my home state! He got to pass! Did I ever tell you this story? Now that I can tell it now I don't work there no more... did I ever tell you the story of the former governor of Virginia

1:08:09 I don't think so. Okay, so i'll make it very quick So we're coming from the lunch room uh me and my uh when me and one of my friends I want to say his name because he still works there Uh, and we're coming down the hall and we see this big black guy in a suit And what what the hell is going on? You know saying like walking down the hallway and we're like you understand then We notice he had earpiece And we're like, hold on. Who's here? You know what I'm saying because normally when somebody a politician or somebody comes important VIP comes to the site they like to let everybody know festival Yeah, not only that but roll out the red carpet and you understand and stand at attention yeah right

1:08:46 So here comes this secret security guy coming down the hallway and right behind him, here comes the governor. They had to sneak him in because of the heat from the blackface thing for him to see the new building that we're gonna build. Oh wow! Holy crap Of course, of course. That's how it works! He was like nah I don't want to take a general you know just be out in the general population i just want to come see you know the billion dollar addition you have going on get up by here because I might have some questions It wasn't necessarily even well of course you ever you I'm sure your company was extremely diverse So that made it even worse. Oh yeah, oh my god. Coward! I'm just showing you how all these things are strategically done to say hey you know what? I gotta come in through the back door My black face made me come through the back door He had a little bit of experience being black And i believe that's because they in their heart truly believe they're not racist

1:09:49 And at the time when that occurred for this governor, or when Joy did it... and it could have been yesterday. It could have been two years ago They still believe they had no racist bone in their body and therefore wasn't a racist That's the whole sick thing Once again, I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the double standard of Whoopi Goldberg and Sonny Halston and those people. Blackface is offensive it's offensive like that same thing with anti-Semitism they don't look at the party affiliation no it's like cutting dry Here here's the little there's this no nose And we don't care who does it if you do what you're gonna have to pay

1:10:38 With us, it's like well you did this now turn over the page and see the conditions. let me see your cookout pass oh here's my cook out pass it's like okay you're good now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah of course dude, you're a comedian! You don't even know it... that's funny good riff appreciate that but I'm gonna say that's what frustrates me about not about the outside groups is the double standards inside the group. Because that weakens you, I appreciate how they roll because it's like hey you're on code if you ain't on code yeah shut up they'll cancel their own we don't care. But isn't that just exactly it? Black America has got to say hey we are on code too and then they have to cancel hard

1:11:39 And for the most part we are, but the fact is they can roll out. This is why the boulet is so dangerous. It's not the people on the ground it's not the boots on the ground that's cosigning this. They could always roll out a boulet member to say oh no like Joy Sunny Halston let me get that for you Joy. Oh girlfriend uh-uh. She supposed to put her hands in her pockets and whistle then look the other way like hey Joy you're on your own. I can't step in So that's my whole point is, is that it's not a fair exchange. But now do you feel this is specifically in the media? Predominantly in the media or is it the same across-the-board and any organizational structure business otherwise I can't tell you because I had never been in these boardrooms You're saying like maybe

1:12:37 corporations and those kind of things I can only tell you what plays out in the public. So that's why if i answer that question, and didn't know then I would actually be participating in stereotypes to say oh yes it is the banks and you know... I'm gonna say another thing You only discredit yourself when you say, oh it's the Jews. It's like what? No no be specific point out indi- Like that why I'm being very...I'm not being very careful here out of fear, I'm being very careful here to be precise so we can highlight the issue. You know because a lot of times people just jump straight to the it's the Jews and it's like come on first of all that's offensive to the people that are on the ground or pro uh the Jews there are Jewish people that are pro... Can you say Jews? I don't even know but if yeah I think you can

1:13:28 Okay, I'm just making sure on this show. Come on Moe and on this show we say blacks gays Jews whites it's fine No, I don't know what's acceptable because I don't Everything everything is nothing is acceptable you can't no one's gonna be will never get everybody happy No, I know why i'm asking that is because I don't self-censor myself so I'm not aware. I don't know what is acceptable or not. As a Jew adjacent, I get to say it's acceptable for this show Okay all right So yes my whole point is that you know It's just that when you do that and say these blanket statements You only discredit yourself because there are people on like

1:14:14 People, they're very fine people on both sides. Well no it's actually people that are doing good work for Palestine. It's good work for people you know if you lean that way or the other way and one thing I want to point out is Ilha Omar we got to talk about her for a minute Because they use this same tactic against her. Yeah that you know anytime they need a real her back in You're saying they play the anti-semitic card is like hey, but they don't never kill well That and the you married your brother card that's another favorite Yeah, that's true. I think that one is more entertaining when they roll that one and she smoking the cigarette. I love that one. That's cool. With the patchy hair? You're about to give me counsel! Yep yep yeah i'm working on it. So now we got to get to the remarks

1:15:06 It's a teachable moment. It's always a teachable moment, you know? So I just as an exercise, I want to show how it's supposed to be done when you have somebody that step run afoul of whatever thing is offensive this is how they always use the teachable moment number 12 The history of the Holocaust has been part of school curriculums for decades. But how it is taught and how much Americans really know about the mass genocide of European Jews and other minority groups has changed in recent years. Concerns about that very issue were triggered this week by remarks from Whoopi Goldberg, the comedian actress and talk show host made the comments Monday on ABC TV's The View

1:15:52 Goldberg and her co-hosts were discussing a school district's book ban on a graphic novel about the Holocaust, Maus. Here is some of what Goldberg initially said during her conversation. The Holocaust isn't about race No, it's not about You heard sunny agree with her mm-hmm Did you hear that I mean are you just my man? did you hear that he heard it when I was pointed out to you but and did you ever pay attention to that before no never this conversation of course notice no Sunny Agree with whoopee so that's that black thing kicked in first. It's like yep Mm-hmm Yep, an issue like whoa hold up hold wait wait a minute

1:16:35 Uh, no. So pay attention to the quick change that Sonny does. Alright I'm gonna roll it back just a tad more hold on a sec. A graphic novel about the Holocaust, Maus here is some of what Goldberg initially said during her conversation The Holocaust isn't about race No. It's not about race, but it's not about race. Well how come if Sunny said no how come Sunny doesn't get cancelled? Because of her husband! She got the card. Mm-hmm and she

1:17:19 Came to heal a healed. Okay, I think yeah She quickly like no she's gonna know now wait wait a minute. Wait a minute. What am I? Quickly and let me stop right here cuz you asked this question And I got a touch in is this whole whoopie thing and man you talked about the via text was his whole would be finger sigh up because puppy knows She knows. She knows you can't say this and then they brought her on the Colbert show that night, they cleared a schedule brought her own and she still stuck to her guns so I'm like is this a psyop for something else to come down the line? Well you and i discussed it in the context of Rogan which was happening at the same time

1:18:03 Correct, so it's just like hmm. I remember what you said You said whoopie may be in on this somehow on this Rogan thing Right because now you set the standard like all we got to counsel people you're saying we can't would be yeah You know cuz you'll see these things happen as a precursor and i'm not saying that This is just me speculating watching it cuz if I will be that's just a dumb thing to say well It no, you know, you're absolutely right because now every cancellation not every, but I hear a lot is well whoopie Goldberg you know it's it's a new measure in the line. It says line in the sand. What about Whoopee? Yeah what about Whoopee? It's like oh hold on a second that was the standard and by the way it really sets up...it really reestablishes the standard of where Jews want to be seen mm-hmm yeah in the entertainment narrative

1:18:58 So I just found it weird that she stuck to her guns even after the show and even on the Colbert Show, because like i'm sure she got phone calls. If she was honestly saying this...I'm sure her phone was ringing off the hook uh her juley phone yeah um sorry I got Rona man it's like uh means I'm a little slow today Oh, no problem. So... Oh you mean the Boule phone mode? Yeah sure! Nah it's a different phone. It's just the other phone. I don't have that one. You know what i'm saying bro? So when I say her phone was off the hook, it was ringing out the hood like you really understand on this if she truly meant it and She probably would have corrected herself by time. She went to go Colbert show But she didn't know which I just found very strange. I mean just just just just observe Yeah, I like it will go back to that part Okay, the Holocaust isn't about race or

1:19:55 No. It's not about race. Maybe a city? You should have used that as if it were race! But, it is not about race. What is it about? Because it's about man's inhumanity to man. That's what its' about Those remarks were widely condemned and in response a number of experts detailed the Nazis racism against Jews. The next day Goldberg invited the head of the Anti-Defamation League on the program to explain the historical record, and she apologized You know what kind of sad thing about all this is? Is that

1:20:34 We have a medical tyranny situation in the world right now which is extremely analogous to Germany 31, 33, 34 you know getting set up for the Nazi Party with othering etc. and we can't because of this ultimately you know this conversation that's taking place around this particular incident is and Joe Rogan etc meanwhile it's happening all over again right in front of our face in real time you know I'm saying? Right, right. But we can't see that we can't see the problem. The way I look at Canada is it's the Charlottesville of the world

1:21:21 You know, how Charlottesville kind of set the scene. Yeah yeah sure sure you know it's kind of like that for the whole world of anybody is thinking about doing this you're gonna be perceived this way which is why all eyes on Canada yes keep trucking it up fellas So I guess we can go on and get into 13 now. And she apologized, I said that the Holocaust wasn't about race and it was instead about man's inhumanity to man but it is indeed about race because Hitler and the Nazis considered Jews to be an inferior race now words matter and mine are no exception

1:22:05 I regret my comments as i said and I stand corrected. I also stand with the Jewish people as they know, and y'all know because I've always done that Afterward, ABC suspended Goldberg for two weeks. The episode has raised larger questions and we want to spend a few minutes looking at those. Ethan Katz is the co-director of the Berkeley Antisemitism Education Initiative and he's an associate professor of history in Jewish studies at UC Berkeley. Ethan Katz welcome to The NewsHour first of all what was your reaction to Whoopi Goldberg initial comments that the Holocaust was not about race?

1:22:44 Thank you for having me on the show. I mean this was a shocking thing for someone to say, someone who is well-educated Someone who has many many Jewish friends and has for decades and the Holocaust was all about race, right? The historical record of the Nazis is so clear that they thought they were fighting a race war primarily against Jews also in Slavs and Roma and other groups. And so to make this statement reflects tremendous lack of historical sort of basic knowledge about the nature of the Holocaust and also the nature of anti-Semitism as primarily a racial hatred of Jews because it sees Jews as a racial biological group.

1:23:32 So this he's and this is normal. They have to bring in somebody educate you yes, we saw this with Nick Cannon Nick cannon he even saying he had some guests on and he kind of stepped on the third rail He had apologized twice And he added two had two rabbis on his shoulder educate him It's one thing I missed at one point. I wanted to miss to make because it's important to use that eclipse Can you go back and just play the first maybe 10, 15 seconds of clip number 12? I'm sorry. No, i know you had already kicked it out but...I want to point out a point uh while you're pulling that up..i want to point out the parallel between what's taught in school for the

1:24:11 Holocaust and then compare that to CRT. Here we go. The history of the Holocaust has been part of school curriculums for decades, but how it is taught and how much Americans really know about the mass genocide of European Jews and other minority groups has changed in recent years All right, you stop right there. So notice CRT kicked out no no for good reason because it's like from my side I'm glad it got kicked out because I don't want you to teach my kids that they're inferior and victims but CRT get kicked out but the holocaust stays in Right And it's been taught free notice certain groups are trying to get CRT put in Holocaust already in there

1:25:00 It's already baked into part of your education in the public school system. Right, but is it done as destructively as CRT? No it's taught from a different paradigm not from the paradigm of being a victim right. It was taught from being the paradigm of we survive which that's like just being a survivor or being a victim is two total different paradigms So I just wanted to point that out. When I heard that, I was like huh? CRT gets kicked out and railed against but nobody ever says anything about taking the Holocaust out of- Right but if it was presented in the victim narrative then I think it would be obviously

1:25:46 So why don't you teach CRT from the paranormal? Well of course, of course. Once again I understand but but i don't hold you know saying the Jewish people accountable, I hold the boule accountable because it's like whatever they did to get the power they have obviously it worked. I mean we can't deny it works so you work closely with these coalitions and throw us the blueprint over its like whatever y'all did let us get the blueprint and then we can enact it just so we can get what ever happened in American slavery and taught from a paradigm of

1:26:22 these kids are survivors, not the same way Jewish kids feel pride in their parents being survivors of the Holocaust. Not victims of it I'd like to remind you that i believe that all this generational wealth we're dealing with came from a nice handful of families who were at the money creation It's only been a hundred years really when you think about it, most of these families. In the United States at least and so now there is a new place where money is being created its Bitcoin and I'll just keep saying that's where black America should sit as close to the source as possible. Well we always go back-and-forth on this which I'm not anti crypto

1:27:18 I'm very specifically Bitcoin not crypto. Well, oh yeah okay i'm not anti-bitcoin but I want people to understand the power that's behind the dollar and you can see it being planted... You brought up Canada y'all are you the world is gonna say y'all as the listeners are seeing Oh, crypto? Oh yeah. We can get our hands around that. It's funding protests? It's funding problems? Aw yeah we need to regulate that ASAP." So this is... When you say white supremacy, this is what I'm talking about! But not like they can. I'm just saying not like they can but okay it's nice of them to say that there's a difference. I don't-I never doubt the power and magic behind the dollar and I mean that literally That one dollar bill

1:28:15 That's some heavyweight witchcraft going on in that because you can flash that bad boy around the world and people know I mean even people in countries and civilizations that have no clue what is going on. That's true, that's true And the magic is not that magic The magic is the massive military that defends it Yeah because if you look at one side Look on the other side, you got an eagle with a talent full of arrows. They let you know that's what's up. You know what I'm saying? That's why America can honestly... they can run out the debt all they want to and I mean, I've never said this on this show but how America works is it's like the repo man. It's like you could run off all the debt you want but you can't come repo these cars because I got a house full of guns. Try! So China yeah, are that 20 trillion 30 trillion 50 trillion and that's where they realize like oh how are you gonna collect

1:29:09 Come get it. So I'm just saying that, that's why... Like i said, I'm not anti-Bitcoin or crypto because I think its a great money maker opportunity and like you said in transferring money yeah they can't control it but when you get ready to actually transfer over something you could spend They'll try their damndest to do it. I can't not gonna say they're gonna be successful, but you see what they did in Canada Hey Moe, I'm not saying it's easy We've had revolutions before this is just a very long very silent one that's taking place and I'm from the future So I'm just letting you know And I agree with you that

1:29:50 We're on the cusp of something very wild, not in violent but just people thinking differently. And that's why they're trying to get their hands around it because anything they can't control they try to destroy and hopefully our people see this is why the paranoia... Just stop for a minute and I don't want them be late at this point but just stop for a minute and savor this and see like how Justin Trudeau was rolling and how the whole situation playing out That's the what the mentality or the psyop that people did I'll say, I can only speak for me specifically have lived under this. You know what you can't build nothing they're just gonna tear it up but that's what caused the victimization mentality which is why we had to defeat it and that's the whole point of this whole block and show in general is that you can't no

1:30:44 just be a victim at the end of that. You have to keep pushing forward, but on the other side this is good way to empathize and see what it feels like to be on the bottom because this is a bottom moment right now. Absolutely! And I think...I see people realizing that And yeah, we're seeing how Trudeau rolls. But there's a lot of pushback and it's going to be very interesting to see what happens. We know that there are only few outcomes Someone has got to bleed and...we'll see To me the most amazing thing is

1:31:22 Canada? Like, yeah. I will never make another A or a boot joke again Fuck those guys are badass so... We'll see we'll see what happens but yeah this is an everyone can be at the bottom moment This is the true Gitmo Nation slavery, is what this is. It's unbelievable! That's exactly what it is and just one more note is always be cautious of the person that's always smiling and happy You know what I'm saying? Them are the ones you gotta worry about. When they go...they really go And I know that people are just in disbelief over whats happening but its really taking place

1:32:03 phenomenal this moment in history is really really fantastic the I think they really underestimate the communication skills of the people and this is why they're trying to control you know because once you start getting en masse just think if you had a large contingent of black people in Canada out there then you can't deem it uh, far right or are saying hate or that kind of thing. Right? When the crowds too dark than a lot of the tools start to wilt. Right? So that's that's the point and then just bring it back where we're at. That's why this is what you see here. Um so I guess we thought 13 let's go and get into 14. You can't change your race whereas

1:32:55 you know, people can convert religiously right? But the Nazis didn't care if you had grown up Christian. If you had three or four Jewish grandparents, you were Jewish and you were supposed to be annihilated I'm wondering, Ethan Katz how many people you think there are out there who believe that the Holocaust was not only an attempt to eliminate the Jews because of their religion but also because of their race. I am asking because there was a poll done we know of just a couple years ago showing us surprisingly A high number, large percentage of young people aged 18 to 39, almost a quarter of them didn't have a clear memory of what the Holocaust was about. What's your sense of the public's understanding about this?

1:33:41 Right, so that study from the claims conference from the fall of 2020 is very disturbing in terms of the numbers of people who didn't know how many people were murdered in the Holocaust. One in 10 under 40 had never heard the word holocaust before they said it. So I think We are in a moment of diminished public consciousness about the Holocaust, probably the 1990s with many anniversaries from World War II with the opening and growth of the Holocaust Memorial Museum was perhaps the height moment. And now we're in a moment where it is certainly disturbing and the problem is that you cannot understand

1:34:17 the nature of anti-Semitism without understanding that it was racial from the beginning and that the Holocaust was about race, and for American Jews today their experience with anti-Semitism is still profoundly shaped by them. Wow man! It would be so much less irritating to listen to that if they said And it's really important you learn about the Holocaust and the plight of the Jews so that you can recognize it's happening to everybody right now, you stupid nut nuts. Yes! This is the end this block but I just want to make one more point nobody ever tells

1:35:02 the Jewish community to get over it. No, like no cuz they're quick to tell black people slavery was 400 years ago, get over it! They were still whining about that and then they'll go into textbooks and say I think there was even saying like their immigrants uh they immigrated here or immigrants? Like they're trying even changing the language It's almost kind of like becoming slavery deniers. You know it was just immigration or it wasn't that bad, get over it you know let go but when you come to this group if someone would say you know what? Almost a hundred years ago why are you still harping on that Holocaust thing

1:35:52 You wouldn't, you would get dragged out the studio. If you were to say that on television it would be we're going to break and then you come back oh he had to leave they will drag you out kicking and screaming so that's my point is this is what I've made that last and final point of this block to say It's amazing that we're told to get over it. It's over and done, even though you can look 1950s 6070s, you know saying these things still went on sharecropping went on as slavery and another name in this country. You're saying for many decades after the official slavery And were told to get over it but nobody else if you say that you will be kept like

1:36:38 Holocaust denier is probably the lowest thing you can be. Like when you get that label on you, oh it's a wrap. I mean like say there is no reason to deny it because it happened but my point if you were saying to get over it like we're told to get over it cause even got...I've gotten letters of people saying when I talk about atonement and this why I want to make it clear that I'm not asking for anything your asking me for something and I am just telling the price of it. Let's be clear let's just be clear you want my vote I understand what my voters were so i won't be swindled out of it. You won't get me." So, yeah so its just amazing how that happens and you know... That's my block on Whoopi. Anything you want to say before we go? Thanks for people! No, uh..you know I think there is obviously more

1:37:33 that we'll learn and uncover about this now. I mean, what I now have is like, bam! Okay, got some realization. Particularly when you said... Did you hear how... What's her name? The lawyer. Sunny? Sunny yeah. How she jumped in right away and how she's... That was very interesting And it's so hard because I hate watching that show It's so annoying but now I have to Now I gotta pay attention all of that That was racial programming. And like, we can talk about it doesn't exist whatever we all have some degree of racial programming so her initial racial program was to agree with Whoopi as her sister, as her black sister but then she you're saying like no... Whoa hold on a second! Yeah what are you saying over there Whoopi? Like whoa

2:11:15 Yeah, so I just want to remind people of that because that's and still are you 75 but And we'll get that before you know Maybe the weekends out just to remind people that you know what's going on over there. Okay? So yeah, um I guess we're going into the B block yep of the potluck Yeah, so number 18 The Washington Examiner reporting that the Black Lives Matter organization is halting online fundraising after facing scrutiny for missing financial records. The California Department of Justice threatening to hold the foundation's leaders personally liable if they fail to disclose details of the $60 million in donations it received in the next two months

2:11:59 Here now is Andrew Kerr, Washington Examiner investigative reporter. Incredible work, Andrew! What do you know right now about these developments? Right, so Black Lives Matter is a public charity. That means that they have an obligation to disclose basic information about their finances to the public Information about their leadership and information about where they actually reside And Black Lives Matter has provided none of that information Information on their 2020 finances A year in which they closed out with 60 million in their bank accounts is months late. We tried to go to their Los Angeles address, my colleague did last week and was told by a security guard that Black Lives Matter has never had an office here And we constantly get packages for Black Lives Matter that we have to return back to sender

2:12:50 And their board members won't disclose who has been in charge of the charity for the past eight months. When its former co-founder, when his co founder Patrice Cullors left the organization last May amid scrutiny over her own personal real estate purchases she appointed two co executive directors to lead the organization but they quietly announced in September that we're not taking the job because we can't come to an agreement with Black Lives Matter Whoa, gee who could have seen that coming? I mean seriously. That is so surprising It isn't even amazing how you can transact that much cash and operate for this long I mean they've been operating now for what since 2014-15 Yeah an official on the books we're in 2022 and all of a sudden

2:13:42 Now, we want to talk about money who's in charge that kind of thing. This is what they call burning when you burn somebody? Yeah They're burning their agents Of course But this is the thing, you didn't know how this was gonna go. I mean throughout all of history... I'm talking to the internet members of Black Lives Matter now, the leadership You didn't see how this was gonna go. Unbelievable isn't it? Unbelievable! And it's corporate money too Like Coca-Cola. Oh, we're getting there! We're gonna get there! Goggles Curry! Sorry... Papa Manny of the day. Much better. So my point is one if you're so knowledgeable in black history and revolutionary tactics You got to know this as part of it

2:14:41 That's what they call breaking their tools. Once they're done with them, so now it's these three women were the blame for everything that happened in Black Lives Matter but no matter how I disagree with their tactics and their ideology I will not stand aside and let them take the blame all alone. No, they shouldn't! Right that would be disingenuous of me That's the same as blaming Dr. Dre and Snoop and all them guys without talking about Jimmy Iovine Now you start to see the trend huh? Now you start to see the trend...I mean of course you saw it but

2:15:18 Yeah, it's a connective tissue between these blocks of the potluck. But just to remind people that may have forgotten we're gonna go over to Dave Pakman this is from episode 7 about who was really funding Black Lives Matter And I have a very, very specific idea that we need to explore seriously which is that the anti-Bernie Sanders tinge of the Black Lives Matter movement recently could be George Soros funded astroturf. And I will speak as specifically as possible Lewis and then I will allow you Lewis to tell me what you think about this. It's widely on record

2:16:00 that George Soros, the liberal billionaire has poured a ton of money into two movements that were instrumental in creating Black Lives Matter and The Buzzword. Dating back to January we knew that George Soros spent over 30 million dollars bankrolling Ferguson demonstrators and of course Ferguson relates to officer Darren Wilson who killed unarmed teenager Michael Brown and was ultimately not charged this includes support by George Soros of groups like Color Lines News for Action, Organization for Black Struggle which established itself then established the Hands Up Coalition. Soros also gave money to the Drug Policy Alliance which worked on pushing Black Lives Matter as a buzzword which has since been incorporated into speeches by political figures including Hillary Clinton."

2:16:54 So just remember, you know we're not gonna let these three sisters twist in the wind. If criminal cases are going to come down and just tying into the first block You remember anytime you mentioned the word Soros? Yeah was anti-semitic now Now that's why I used a clip from mr David Pakman because he was born to an Asanowski if it's I can't say that word Askenazi Jewish family so How does that work? You let me know how that works. And that's why we can't paint with a wide brush either, you see what I'm saying? Yeah That's why be specific to who you're talking about because we have people pointing out things and bringing things to attention

2:17:39 But we saw Fox News. I thought right they ran somebody off the air live You can't say sorrows, right? Right, right I Couldn't find I couldn't remember who said on the clue was that it was uh sure it was Fox It was Fox. He was definitely Fox cuz you know anybody else must say Soros. I mean No, that's a bad to be Fox but I think Was it the mayor? Was it the mayor of New York, uh... The former mayor in New York. Is this from Bill O'Reilly days? I don't- It was recent enough that we were doing a show

2:18:18 I remember that but yeah, I'm just saying even the middle on what's this? There was something on Fox News yesterday with newt gingrich that got a lot of yes. It was newt gingrich The fox news personnel there i'm gonna tell you George Soros has donated seven he had to clip it seven people People on no, it doesn't have the clip. Anyway Yeah It was a new gingrich who said that he brought up George Soros in relation to it and they and they and like okay what you can't say That click boom bye So I'm just showing you how that works as far I mean not you but the audience how that works But then we have Dave Pakman over here saying this sorrows was funding black lives matter right? so The scrutiny needs to go all the way to the top their fish rots at the head

2:19:09 So let's go ahead and get into the second part of this clip about scrutiny. So amid all of this, the state of Washington and California have recently notified Black Lives Matter that hey if you guys want to operate in our state then you need to submit your financial information until you do so you are not to solicit any contributions from citizens of our state. Washington warned Black Lives Matter in a letter, that you could face fines upward to $2,000 per violation. And California said we will hold the leaders and everybody who's in charge of solicitation at Black Lives Matter personally accountable if you don't submit your records within 60 days

2:19:53 So yesterday Black Lives Matter took the extraordinary step and they announced that you know we're going to pause all Online fundraising as we get our registration issues sorted out But this is some breaking news from just before I came on air It turns out that black lives matter is still accepting donations from their act blue donation pages They told me just before we came on the air that these are not active fundraising pages. These are former fundraising pages, which doesn't really make sense because I was able to pitch a dollar to Black Lives Matter proving that they're still actively accepting contributions despite their statement yesterday that they're no longer going to be soliciting funds online. So you can see...I'm just trying to figure out how do you collect that much money?

2:20:43 and know how your paperwork in order, and allow to do business for that long. and it didn't raise any red flags but now that it's over you're done with them. It kind of ran its course, they've been burned whenever you say Black Lives Matter people notice the scam now we're talking about Black Lives Matter Inc let me clarify for the new listeners We are talking about Black Lives Matter Inc That is the corporate wing of it that was taking money in not to people on the ground protesting or fighting for black lives on a very grassroots level. But I notice now, they're doing...I don't know if it's going to be the new group but they're using this language of what was it? It's not Black Lives Matter is well I just slipped my mind. It was something for black lives. It's something man but they don't use Black Lives Matter anymore

2:21:49 Oh man, I just told you something. But it's still tied to Act Blue. Let alone... Oh no of course! No hahahah! I think i sent you the text saying do a Curry Cash check on him. It's.. oh really? It's something for Black Lives. Well what I'll talk about in a future show but agenda no no no no no it's uh I don't want to drag it out okay basically they have another kind of like shell game going on which has black lives in it but it does not black lives matter So I think they're gonna start pivoting to that. And who do you think they is in this case? It's the same, it's gotta be anything! It's the same shadow organization They just find new patsies to take the blame and like i said these women got in over their head They got a celebrity, they got fame that went along with it

2:22:49 all the highlights and giving all kind of just praise, but they didn't understand the other shoe that was gonna drop. Now so my thing is if we're going to take them down which I mean I think ridicule is enough. But if you're gonna take them down, then we need a RICO case. We need to go all the way to the top! Oh, okay... What's known as RICO is short for Recruiting Influenced Corrupt Organizations Any organization that is acting with illegal activities from a regular corporation Wall Street Corporation

2:23:39 to gangs can be prosecuted under the RICO Act. In order to be prosecuted under the RICO Act, there's different levels and different elements that the government has to prove when it comes to prosecutions of RICO. However generally, the prosecutor has to prove at least two or three separate acts that the corporation is committing that are illegal. So for example, when you are prosecuting a gang, a street gang with RICO, prosecutors usually would show that that gang is dealing with drugs and committing murders. That would be enough to prove a RICO. Depends on again how what

2:24:35 statute section under the RICO Act you are being prosecuted under, sometimes the prosecutor has to prove specifically those acts and sometimes they can just generally prove certain acts. And when the jury finds... When the jury deliberates they don't really have to specifically tell Or vote on a certain act they can just in general say yes We find that the prosecutor proved that at least two acts are illegal yeah So we're gonna get him this might be our best chance of Soros. Yeah, good luck with that No Rico cases we've seen them take down big fish before and if there's any connective tissue

2:25:27 Obviously Dave Patten had pointed it out. There's... Let me be optimistic. Okay, yeah I mean the.. I have little faith in most institutions i would say justice is probably when I have the least faith in right now And the name of the group is The Movement for Black Lives. I was reading this article and they kept talking about The Movement for Black Lives, I've never heard this group before so their website is m4bl.org That's right! I remember it now When you go click on the donate button Of course you know where it goes at blue So I think this going to be the new Sheryl Corporation because they use the same yellow and black

2:26:10 on their website that we pointed out that was used in the Black Lives Matter street paintings. It's the same color, everything but yeah it's the movement for black lives and I think this is going to be their new shell company or a shell organization they operate out of This group, whoever the shadow group is they saw what happened in 2020. They went to woke with trying to get rid of the black man I'm seeing now that the Democratic Party is saying trying to get some black men to play a role for them and politics. I'll be bringing up some names here shortly but

2:26:54 Yeah, so I think if they're gonna go down Do they have do they have spokes holes? Do they have new spokes models here for and for me? Oh no It's not yet. It's just but it's called power on their website says black power rise in 2024 So you see what they're setting up for And nothing like said they went to woke and they're like well when we went that far We've shifted the uh, you know We went outside the scope of what people are willing to follow. When we start reading literature, what Black Lives Matter was about and they're probably going to try to correct from that and then pick up from where they left off it but I have this clip because brought this to my attention even before the 60 million dollar thing came out Patrice Cullors has been left a group as stated before. But she was on with Jamel Hill

2:27:50 And I was like, hold on. Is this an old video? Why is she talking about why she left again? So she's back around doing the rounds again trying to say hey... I ain't got nothing to do with this. Damage control! Right, she tried to clear her name so This is the next clip with her and Jameel Hill Last May though you made the decision that you were going to step down from The Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation You said it was the right time What made it the right time You know, I had been in BLM since the very beginning obviously for eight years. One of the last co-founders who were really was there to help build infrastructure and usher in honestly a new decade for BLM

2:28:34 I was ready. It was, I personally was ready to evolve into a next role and next position not necessarily for like a nonprofit but in my life you know I was ready to make some money other things but you know seven months out i will be honest with you it was also because of right wing attacks I was thinking about my child. I really thought that i was going to die, you know? I had received multiple calls from the FBI that they were credible threats against my life and I had to just really sit back and make a decision like what's my best role in this movement is it a dead Patrice or alive Patrice

2:29:21 And I said it was me being alive here to see my child grow up. So many young, so many people who lost their parents to white supremacists and didn't get to grow up with their parent. I'm more than just a movement leader. I'm also a mother. Oh man... No no no no Patrice! It don't work like that. Cause you can't let the patriarchy run you off back to motherhood and not the front line of fighting for, all things liberation. Hey whatever happened to the two Marxist trainers slash kind of managers? They were older in their 70s Jews

2:30:12 Which one are you talking about? It's like an old dude and an old woman, and they were also involved in the actual 501c3. This goes back a while for a little bit there was a blip where like hey hold on a second this is classic Marxist been doing this shit forever Right because that's when the whole Marxists take over Yeah yeah everybody started doing their homework And no just interesting that they were both Jewish Hello, what did I just say about you saying they go to the workers? It never goes up. No it stops at the workers right This is this Super Bowl. This is this half-time show all over again It stops with Patrice colors right and said her two buddies set out there on a billion dollar scheme Made our style and they were the only ones that did yeah

2:31:01 This is how it works. It's like, no, it doesn't work like that you know but as far as... You don't get this kind of money and corporation buy-in just from those three people that we never heard before until you know No there was some professional fundraising going on this was well organized well done Yeah and their 2020 over 2022 they're not really valuable to us anymore I mean they have this stench on them every time they come out like, oh those are the Marxist girls. You know what i'm saying? That's kind of thing- that's what people reaction or in certain circles all of those things don't look like- Unless Patrice Cullors can get a hit with her Netflix deal if she can get a real hit out of that which I'd doubt

2:31:47 That could rekindle her, but I don't see that happening. This is what she's trying to do but... All of these people are done. Kaepernick... It's out with the old and with the new and this is how it works. And by the way Jay-Z has got to know that one of these days he's going to be out too Oh! He already had his pound cake moment Pound cake? Pound cake moment? The Bill Cosby thing. Um..I've said this before on a show in passing When he made that deal with the NFL, that was his pound cake moment. Can you explain the pound cake moment again? I don't remember. So when Bill Cosby came out and was like railing on black people That's kind of when he lost the black support He was like pull up your pants! Y'all here killing each other over pound cake Oh right Right so that's why when they came for him

2:32:42 he had no support and it's funny that you say that because, and this is how I found out about the movement for black lives. Because there was a article right after the Super Bowl talking about Jay-Z basically sold out and it was in The Root or Arthur from The Root saying what did we really get for Jay Z? You're saying it was good for Jay Z but it wasn't good for us so So that's when I started seeing them say the movement for black lives. And I thought they were just doing some wordplay, but no it was actually an organization. That-that's... so that's kind of interesting did was there a general expectation? Umm.. That hey these guys they finally got the power they're gonna do the halftime show They're gonna do something great Was there an expectation that Jay Z and the crew there would do that He was supposed to bring he was supposed to how am i going put this

2:33:34 He was supposed to realize what Kaepernick was fighting for. That was the expectation, like Kaepernick needed... So Jay-Z he'll come in and do something transformative in the NFL but Jay Z saw as..He grifted the grifters! He's like I'm gonna take your grift and use this position myself for ownership of the NFL And when he did that, everybody on the grassroots was like... I mean for Black Lives Matter was like oh Jay-Z's a grifter and that's why I said when they do cover him he won't have that support. The same way with Bill Cosby how everybody kind of threw their hands up it was like you can have Bill! He's not meaningful to us so yeah that was I think this NFL thing was his pounding moment because Was there something that uh you think he could have done that would have

2:34:31 Been the right thing to do no, it's not there's nothing he could have done Right that the grift the whole show was the grift. It was depressed. He kind of wasn't a Pressure-release valve for in the NFL Oh No I know I know I know what the point of him doing that was Now someone saying is that? He was the, that's the point of it. So he wouldn't have been functional or valuable to the NFL in any other way. Right? I got you. Or no so it was no way he could what he wanted to do was kind of like thread a needle and say, You know, I'm doing it for the culture, you know, right. And kinda like oh we'll give you half time show. Uh and the funny thing was even then he had to do the Latinos first

2:35:21 He couldn't come in and do a black halftime show. Oh, no no no he had to do the uh Shakira oh right that was the first one he did that one first right they're like J now don't be crazy yeah easy into it now easy into it so yeah but I say all this is to say that all these things are strategic And that leads me to the theremin moment now. Oh boy, do you need me to actively play along with this? I think you do for this blog. Holy crap! So while he's grabbing his instrument uh there is a recent case where a former Black Lives Matter activist went in and shot

2:36:07 a mayoral candidate. Yeah, yeah! In Louisville! Yeah this was great wait wait... Go ahead. Alright. When I see this, it makes me think oh this is the total stepping away from Black Lives Matter. We gotta have a black violent man come in and take a shot at a Jewish mayor. And the media ate that shit right up Right, so this is them stepping away from the whole Black Lives Matter thing and they gotta say where their toxic now see now They're a toxic and they have to take a black man that do it. It's unbelievable How did I get him? So crazy to do this? Well, we're gonna get Make sure they're on tight mohans like

2:37:04 Late breaking tonight, a local activist is charged with the attempted murder of a Louisville mayoral candidate. Police have identified 21-year old Quintez Brown as the man who fired shots at Craig Greenberg and his staff earlier today. WLKY's Shaquille Lorde has reaction tonight he's live at Metro Corrections with the latest Shaq Yeah, Vicky as you mentioned he is an activist. He's a former columnist and even had his eyes set on running for Louisville Metro Council District 5 but tonight the 21 year old is charged with attempted murder that is behind bars here at metro corrections

2:37:42 The democratic process is that we as individuals go into the ballot box and vote for who we want. We don't kill candidates so that other people can't vote for them. Strong words from Metro Council President David James, it comes after finding out former local columnist Quintez Brown was identified as the man who police say tried to kill Louisville mayoral candidate Craig Greenberg All of us are blessed And I'm blessed to be standing here today with you. So, I think it's Sirhan Sirhan, I think that is how you pronounce his name? Sirhan Sirhan? Sirhan Sirhan yes! I am thinking we got some action like this going on. It has gotta be... This is so perfect for him to doing this Right in Louisville right where was the epicenter of the whole Breonna Taylor case and a hotbed for 2020

2:38:37 goodness yeah and takes a shot two shots at the guy and it hits his sweater yeah he's that's another beauty that doesn't make any sense and then this dude being anti-gun It just, it makes no sense the whole story. So I'm like when I was starting to look at this, I'm like this stinks but it starts to bring things back into my mind but I'm like well hold on Mo you know what I'm saying? Hold on, you got it, you got it and you're just easy easy you can't jump out the window with him You know how these rabbit holes are so I start listening to the story more 24

2:39:17 Around 10 this morning, officers responded to Greenberg's campaign headquarters in Butchertown Market for a report of an active aggressor. Police say Brown entered Greenberg's office and fired several shots at him just grazing his sweater Neither Greenberg nor his four staff members were injured physically. Hours after the shooting, Greenberg says he's still trying to grasp what happened. I'm shaken up it was a surreal experience and mostly right now i just want to get home to my wife and sons and give them a hug He says thanks to the quick thinking of his staff they were able to barricade themselves in The individual closest to the door managed to bravely get the door shut

2:40:02 We barricaded the door and the suspect fled. Brown was well known for being a constant presence during social unrest in Louisville during 2020 while there are more questions than answers at this point, James says Greenberg and others are blessed to be able to walk away I'm just thankful that that the staff Craig Greenberg are alive and well. Now, in addition to attempted murder Brown is also facing four counts of wanton endangerment he's scheduled to appear before a judge tomorrow morning. A nice social unrest instead of BLM protests social unrest yes. It's gang esteem they're gonna tie in but what weird it

2:40:46 He came in, took two shots of several shots. Some counts was to they said several minutes and this story and then they bombarded him when they barricaded the door I don't understand how this works like he came in shot at you And then your staff barricade the door like it does I don't miss the sequences off to me there's yeah This is indeed highly sketchy He says, pow-pow. Grazes your sweater kills your cardigan you know what I'm saying? And then... But even that man i've never seen uh seen it like that just just I mean that's lucky right yeah if and then the way they put it say graze his sweater It's like hmmm I don't know but it just doesn't make any sense but what started to make sense was before this happened he went missing oh really oh crap

2:41:45 A missing 20-year old college student has an entire community hoping for his safe return. We love you and until we find this young man, we're going to continue as a community to come together and make sure that this young man is found safe and not in harm's way. Thank you everyone for coming out to search, know you all should have some flyers in your hand. Quintez Brown has not been seen since June 19th and his family friends and the University of Louisville are all searching for him. Quintez is a born leader I know I met him his freshman year in high school

2:42:22 And immediately when I met him, I knew this young man had a gift for serving his community. He's known as an activist for police reform and civil rights and has contributed as an opinion writer for the Louisville Courier-Journal. Quintez's father and stepmother expressed during a virtual press conference though he has no history of mental illness they feel Quintez may be in a mental health crisis I don't know what he's going through, but this is not like him. He's not that type of kid. He's a great kid. He's a great young man and i just feel like he's in a bad place and he needs his father. He needs his mother. He needs love. Quintez Browne is 5 foot 10 inches

2:43:04 about 180 pounds with tattoos on his upper arms and chest. His family says he shaved his head and beard the day before he went missing, and authorities say his credit card was last used at a grocery store near the University of Louisville campus on June 19th. He's all about community. He's all about helping. He's all about change. He's willing to do whatever he can for the next person so I'll ask everybody come together as he would and try to find him Quintez Brown's family and friends now ask for any tips that may lead to finding him. Wow, he was missing since June of last year? So he goes- yeah, goes missing shaves his head no history of mental illness and disappears into the university Goes in as a anti gun nonviolent activist And comes back you know what I'm saying straight up taking shots at politicians Dude... Yeah I ain't saying he MK

2:44:07 Yeah, but but and I'm pissed because It's a damn kovat. I'm telling you I was watching this story come by and the most obvious part of it And they first sound like oh man But but that it was a ma'am That's what I thought was the big tip-off that I was just wasn't he wasn't clicking for me like oh my goodness This is totally burnt burning everything They're burning the whole operation. The whole thing and right down to the cultural core? And you know how hard it is to disappear nowadays I mean, right You had have no cameras No devices nothing. No devices. No nothing It's like somebody may just... And there are cameras everywhere those ring cameras that's why he had to change his appearance

2:45:00 This is complete speculation. Ride with me for a minute, they called him in! They called an op-in and twisted his screws in his head and put him back out there How do you disappear right near the university? I mean this is Louisville, this is a major city No cameras, no nothing. You just disappear and no transaction on your car, no nothing. And Fox News took that bait and chomped it up. Hook line and sinker! Yes sir. Hook line and sinker...and now it's bad black people are taking shots at politicians? Yeah. And its black men. Of course there had to be a man I mean of course. Oh he is so sick. So sick

2:45:49 But you remember, what's the other guys name? Hulk or whatever. I called him Hulk but was his name from... It is Hulk i think He went every time they wanted a black violent man Right right to rule him out Yeah we won't get in blood and he's talking crazy So this is just I think speculating You know because this is kind of like end of the show kind of stuff still But it's just like This is too convenient This is so it started made me think We did a show about this kind of stuff before. Show 31 and that was Gabby Eugene Long, three names of course. Number 26 First off self-preservation is the first law in nature it's the same thing same way as when America they put you on the mainstream they put on the mainstream media that there's a new tyrant or new enemy and they go and physically do an assault on their country is the same thing

2:46:48 And it's the same way how when I was in the Marines, I went and fought for the United States because it was a so-called enemy. So it is not different from someone fighting against you and assaulting you and protecting yourself It's the same way there's nothing wrong with it You got to right to defend yourself at any moment if someone is assaulting you And gang stalking is an assault on you physically, mentally, spiritually emotionally and psychologically. So you got a right to defend yourself at any moment You got the right to preserve your life at any moment you choose then you're gonna be alright Man do you think they've got some kind of MK Ultra dungeon there in the University in Louisville? I DO THINK SO! That's where Ted Kaczynski got his programming

2:47:42 University? You kid... yeah, exactly. And he disappears near the university Yeah And for people that didn't know who we, who that was talking. That was Gavin Eugene Long from he was the Baltimore cop killer. Yeah. The Baton Rouge cop. Excuse me? I said Baltimore Baton Rouge cop killer and this is him on his YouTube video talking about how he was gang stalked. And for people that don't know what gang stalked is, that's when they take several different people follow you around moving stuff around in your house Total manipulation of the mind to the point where it makes you crazy. And now we have this man here, no history of mental illness all of a sudden he shaves his head, shaves his hair off and just disappears into the ether around the university and then he pops back up gun wielding attempted assassin. Crazy

2:48:42 That doesn't make any sense, but we saw this in 2016. This is how they took the pressure off with Black Lives Matter the first time They had the two shootings one in Dallas one in Baton Rouge and then they went underground until 2020 I think this is a similar case Wow So I just... Good one. Yeah, so if you want to hear more from uh..I got another clip from Gavin Eugene Long if you would like to hear it? Yes sir! I follow nature. I'm in tune with nature. Nowhere in nature are you going see a goddamn lion protesting when a gang of hyenas come and attack his ass He ain't gonna be peaceful protesting holding up signs You're not gonna see it in nature anywhere

2:49:29 Because self-preservation is the first law of nature every animal in nature I know human beings are not animals, but you have the right to preserve yourself You can choose to and you can you don't have to fight back. That's that's the difference between Human beings and animals you have the choice you see But if you choose to fight back there are no consequences so that's best a different So in a lot of ti's got even know that harassment is a felony Stalking with harassment is a damn felony. That's the felony charge You definitely have the right to defend yourself And if someone is and you know gang stalking is they're trying to tempt you they trying to make you attempt suicide that's attempted murder If someone is trying to attempt you to force to force you into suicide Isn't that attempted murder?

2:50:23 Come on now, let's open our eyes get it together. Hey defend yourself at all costs Stand in your righteousness die in your righteousness period Yeah, yeah and then sounds about to bring up I have to bring up the Navy's Naval yard shooter yes Gosh, ain't same mo. Yeah hearing voices was that he wrote a shotgun thing emf or something like Electromagnetic frequency MP MP excuse me MP. He actually wrote that on the shotgun which Hotel room like three or four times at night

2:51:00 Trying to get away from the voices. So I mean this is not far. No, it sounds crazy You know you know me I'm all in on that moe I'm good with the directed energy weapons and you bet so now this guy just comes in a pop shot said at him at the candidate for mayor It doesn't make any sense right? And like you said Fox News ate it up hook line of sinker. Yeah big Big time. So that's a little... We had to give people some theorem action, so yeah they got it! Now I have a mini block i want to get into in the potluck

2:51:38 And this is in recent news, and this is Joe Biden nominates black woman for Supreme Court. We're gonna talk about it? Yes. That's right Shep the White House today declined to discuss the upcoming vacancy but said President Biden stands by that campaign pledge to nominate a black woman to a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court and pointed to the diversity of judicial nominees The president has already installed on the federal bench Does the president believe that the current makeup of the court accurately reflects America's demographics? He has nominated a historic number of judges who are people of color. I don't know if it is an historic number, but a majority of the judges he has nominated are women and that speaks to his desire in having courts around the country that look like America and represent the experiences of America

2:52:29 President Biden has nominated 62 women to the federal judiciary, including 19 black women. Possible replacements for Justice Breyer according to NBC News include Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson whom the president interviewed personally for her position on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals seen by some as a farm league for the high court and California Supreme Court justice Leandra Krueger South Carolina Democrat and key Biden ally Jim Clyburn has backed judge Michelle Child's from his home state to fill the vacancy. Any appointment would come at an inflection point for Mr Biden, a potentially legacy defining pick after a series of policy defeats and before that consequential midterm election that could cost Democrats their majority. President Biden's own experience with these nominations runs deep chairing the Senate Judiciary Committee for eight years and witnessing firsthand the protracted failed confirmation of Judge Merrick Garland

2:53:22 in 2016. As to whether all 50 Democrats would unite behind the president's pick, today the press secretary told me that's the hope. Yeah! That's the hope! The hope yes... That's the hope they already setting it building an excuse yeah yeah may not be able to find a suitable candidate well no it's gonna be there the white supremacist democrats that is going keep you know when you hear that its like oh we need all the Democrat votes now we know They've struggled to get all the Democrats on board for anything almost. Was it Manchin and what's the other one? Cinema, right there have been the white supremacist not my words that's what other Democrats are calling them right because they didn't vote for whatever they wanted to vote so I think that's that they're going to be the built-in reason for him not doing it now but I don't think is gonna happen but if it was to happen I think you see I know who I think I know who's gonna win

2:54:23 But before we say that, this is no surprise. We knew they were going to try and get the Supreme Court justice in black women because they put that whole Washington Post thing out remember? You owe us Joe Biden. They made their list of demands then but it's funny that 62 women were nominated and the numbers are...they said 19, Roland Martin said 8 8 black women out of the 62. Roland Martin has 24 black people who were nominated and only eight were women so it's like twice as many black men got it and they didn't have to make any oath or pledge? So I find that interesting yeah, these numbers are funny so thats...I don't think they're gonna get

2:55:15 just because they're saying that's their hope, this should be a slam dunk. I mean this would be all the Democrats should be on the same side now before i get into who i think is going to win it This i think they learned from Trump To say if we give them what they want They might not show up in 2024 We gotta keep them engaged until after 2024 Because if you wanted to give him the insane you would pull everybody into the room You say all the Democrats that I you got a vote for this What they learned from Trump, in my theory. That really messed Trump up when he gave the Republicans their third justice. They're like thanks now we don't need you right so I think Joe Biden understands that and it's gonna be like well we've tried but you know and i think that's why they harped on Manchin and Sinema like they did earlier because they're going to be the ones or there'll be two or one or whatever it would just be holes up you understand upsets Albuquerque

2:56:17 So that's my theory on it. I think they learned from Trump. All right, now who are they gonna pick? Uh...I think they're gonna pick Jim Clyburn if they do it Really? Yes! You remember Jim Clyburn was the kingmaker for Joe Biden Oh right he needs to get paid Exactly Everybody said what did he get out of this He didn't get anything out of this Right and here it is 29.

2:57:06 Oh yes I am. I think that Joe Biden has run a great campaign, and I think the numbers are coming in very clearly in his favor. I do believe that when things are said and done over the next 24 hours he will be declared the winner all of us are looking forward to Joe Biden is just a great guy. He's exactly what the country needs at this particular point. That's what you said back in February, take us back to that moment I think it was the Monday before the South Carolina primary You came out and decided it was time to endorse and embrace Joe Biden Walk us through your decision making process Could you have imagined that would have had the impact that it has? No, I did not imagine that but I do know that I was working hard to try

2:57:59 Now go, I want you to wind up back and hear his question. And listen to this double talk Jim does. Okay? You came out and decided it was time to endorse and embrace Joe Biden walk us through your decision making process could you have imagined it would have the impact that it had no I did not imagine that but do know that working hard to try to not only make an endorsement, but do it in such a way that will give him a surge. Which is what he needed He had just come out of three primaries and lost all of them. Did okay in Nevada, but really his campaign was on life support And I knew or at least felt that he was the kind of guy we needed to have our nomination

2:58:49 I knew that i could own this bitch. That's what he was thinking. That is exactly what he was thinking, Joe. You know me? Oh wow! That's pretty good Moe. I like it. That would make a lot of sense So I think if they do it but I think Jim's gonna get got because yeah Yeah because he might get strung along for a bit there Yeah, yeah

2:59:33 I No, I didn't know but then he said I knew and then he realized he's giving it up. Yeah, he says that I thought I knew how you think you know? But just to solidify the fact that he knew that he had Joe Biden right where he wanted him here is the endorsement of the official endorsement of Joe Biden by Clyburn. Hello, I'm Congressman Jim Clyburn we South Carolinians believe one thing

3:00:12 The best way to tell what a person will do is to look at what he or she has done. I know Joe Biden, I know his character, his heart and his record. Joe Biden has stood for the hardworking people of South Carolina We know Joe but more importantly He knows us Joe will build on President Obama's legacy, protect and expand the Affordable Care Act and take on the NRA. In South Carolina we choose presidents. When President Clinton came to South Carolina, we launched him into the White House. When President Obama came to South Carolina, we launched him into the White House Now Joe Biden is in South Carolina And we are going to launch him into the White House I'm calling you to stand with Joe Biden

3:01:00 Yay, I thought you didn't know Jim. That's right. I thought I knew I didn't kind of know you know You know that put on his hand to put a put in the office what me a kingmaker no Really and that would be his legacy. You're saying by getting the Supreme Court just so all this I say all this is saying All this, you know going outside. You always Joe you always understand by the coven the bullet the bullet coven right? It was Jim the whole time that had the cards no kidding it was Jim the whole time so we're gonna see how it plays out but there is one observation everybody has made about these majority of these

3:01:55 possible people to be confirmed as the next Supreme Court justice. A lot of them have white husbands. Oh, really now? Yes! So much so that this is probably the greatest piece of pandering in MoFax with Adam Curry history that next one we about to play. I'm saying this is not hyperbole, folks strap in! This is Michael Eric Dyson taping for the Supreme Court's justice and Joe Biden. And I know some people got a problem with some of these women married to white men yeah imma go there this morning oh my god

3:02:42 Well, look I don't know their situation but this is what i do know. Some of them a lot of them are dark skinned black women and some negroes got a problem seeing the beauty in dark-skinned black women Don't you be mad because a white boy came along and saw what you threw away I ain't saying that's everybody. I ain't saying that's everything, i'm not saying it's universal but before you rag on them understand the story some of these darker skinned black women don't get no love would be could be at a place like Harvard Princeton and Yale and the brothers dating all white women Now that's their choice if they want to do that, but look at the demonization of darkness. Look at the chocolate charm that is being overlooked and we got everything in the book vanilla vitality, caramel cuteness, chocolate charm, mocha magic We go it all bruh! And yet we overlooked that right? Because we think that white man water is wetter

3:03:37 And skin and flesh is sweeter and sexier. So don't be mad at black women who refusing to be by themselves if they wanted to be a partner, except that the love and devotion of a white man who saw their value beyond their skin in a way that certain black men could or saw the beauty and value in their skin not transcending their darkness inhabiting it in delicious fashion but that's another story. Now when was this? Right afterwards No. Yes! Wait, the evil white patriarchy man is smart? By finding and loving a lowly dark-skinned woman... It was so patronizing and at the same time disrespectful to dark skinned women Yeah of course

3:04:32 And while we talk about this, I want you to Google Michael Eric Dyson's wife. While we talk about this but the point i'm trying to make is this he went straight method man like chocolate deluxe butter pica rica. You know what im saying? Be calling me poppy. Like bro what are you talking about? What are you talking about and then say that Like he bought into them being dark skin is something less than so it's weird what he did but I've never heard somebody pander so hard. Marsha Louis Dyson, she an heiress? I don't know what she is but you're saying she's of the lighter hue. I know that much uh... But my point is this these are the same people

3:05:24 that just shredded Clarence Thomas. I'm not here to take over Clarence Thomas, but what i'm saying is the hypocrisy for him having a white wife you know what i'm saying like y'all he's a sellout! He wouldn't even marry his sister but then when it's on the democratic side now you see what i'm talking about in the first box. Are you sure she's white? Didn't say that I said she's light light. Okay, like he's talking about dark these dark-skinned sister what my? My god, why are you because like you love who you love and I'm not getting to the colors argument What i'm saying is that he accuses brothers as he say yeah, right wanting to go by the light or white of

3:06:15 But he did the same thing and then he wants to demonize, and we saw the same thing happen with Roland Martin. The whole thing came up about Kamala Harris married to a white man. It's like black men are haters they're hateful they hate so it made me wonder why is Michael Eric Dyson so easily persuaded So I had to do a check on him. Uh oh! And i found ADL slams MSNBC pundit Michael Eric Dyson for comparing Clarence Thomas to Jews who sided with Hitler

3:06:57 So that's what they got on him, huh? Could this be how they can just yank his chain anytime they want to And they can get him off NBC any time. They want to or get him kicked I think he's at Georgetown now Anytime they want to because they can bring this up. I'll bet so you see how it works Yep Unbelievable yeah people think I make this stuff but no no no no It's a mess is just fascinating How he went Fool just black man hate dark skin. What are you talking about? Nobody's saying that it's the fact that we're just seeing this trend what's the head of the Justice Department civil rights a Christian yes, yeah white men Kamala Harris white man most of these sisters here not say you love for your love That's not the point but when we start to question this train like

3:07:57 Y'all talk black, but y'all sleep white. And that reason why I bring that up because it's a double standard because anytime of Black man is with a white woman... Oh no! Oh yeah! That's an automatic disqualifier. So that's my whole point of bringing it up and this just like Mike I've never seen the level of pandering you got out in Pat's family? Y'all know what we're gonna do on The Lost Tapes so y'all better show up cuz I got the video. It means actual video This guy is ridiculously pandering. And he has to be aware of how it's going to come across, or he's not fit to do the job he's doing if he's not aware how it's gonna come across but when they got leverage on you gotta say what you gotta say. You gotta do it. So I mean that was just the B slash C block talking about Joe Biden and also in Fast Film we're gonna talk about them crack pipes too and uh-uh that Joe Biden's handing out

3:08:54 And I'm gonna ask this, I'm not a drug person. You understand? I wasn't in Hollywood around these kind of things and i'm not saying you are a drug person but isn't that crack pipe and a meth pipe the same kind of thing I can't, i don't know. I would assume so...I mean look! I tried to google and they all looked the same to me. I don't know if they function in different ways but you notice how they label it as crack pipes that make it for racial inju- I mean racial equity? Oh yeah oh yeah In general I would say uh well hmmm I think metal straws..i really dont' know Mo What im just saying is like black people and crack pipe but we're gonna talk about that You know what i'm sayin'? Right instead of meth pipe its crack pipe And that always insinuates

3:09:36 black drug addicts. Right, so that's just that part of it and Maxine Waters I don't know for some reason when i hear crack pipe always think of Maxine Waters I don't know why. Well the thing is like you said she knew what was happening out in California who was bringing all the drugs in, the CIA. She got quiet maybe because her associations with being anti-semitic I don't know. Maybe, i'm just saying probably but uh That's the end of this c slash b slash c block And we all think some more producers. I like brand new money. I just I don't want any money around me It's not i'd almost rather have a new one than a brand than an old 20 Now that's kind of dumb isn't it? But there's something about new money that excites you You like hundred dollar bills Oh, yeah, I like your money too

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3:15:01 You can't even say n-word anymore? We can't even mention the first letter. Oh, no let me guess. N word has actually been banned and just to let people know we'll never on my part out will never discuss the n word on this show because it's so triggering you know what I'm saying or you know just i understand the weight of it and you do as well but it's gotten so since the reason why brought it up while you stopped i'm glad you did but i was gonna see if he caught You can't even say n-word anymore. Let alone the actual N word. And this is the first time I heard this. I've never heard this, alright back to the clip. Good morning Eva we cannot even tell you the first letter of the word that Joe Rogan once repeatedly used that is how bad it is The Star Podcaster now coming under even greater scrutiny

3:15:54 This morning Spotify reportedly removing over 70 episodes of the Joe Rogan experience from their platform. This comes as the embattled podcaster is now apologizing for what he says is a regretful and shameful use of a racial slur multiple times over several years on his show. There's no context where a white person is ever allowed to say that word, never mind publicly on a podcast. And I agree with that now. I haven't said it in years." Rogan's use of the racial slur resurfacing after R&B singer India Arie posted a compilation spanning several years on Instagram.

3:16:41 It's a video that is made of clips taken out of context, me and 12 years of conversations on my podcast. And it all smushed together and it looks f***ing horrible even to me. Ah! Well I think we are the two guys who talk about this now aren't we? I think we're the only two guys who can talk about this. Yeah, I think we actually come with qualifications for this one Right and skin in the game because we do have the Jonamo producers And you know, I know you and Joe are cool But at the same time when you're in the media We got to talk about it and that's what we're gonna do Now I just want to say one thing I heard in that clip which I only realized now He said that's a word as a white man I should never use

3:17:26 Let alone publicly on a podcast. I found that interesting so is he saying nobody should use it on the podcast no What what I in the way? I'm gonna hear what you heard what I what I heard was Well, it may be okay if I do it in private am I reading too much into it No, cuz I read where I heard was no He should never say it and I can never be said on a podcast Well, he said publicly on it. So they disqualified him for everything? Yeah... He said let alone- well but he said a white man publicly on a podcast that's I don't know the thing with Joe is I know him as a very sweet very charitable incredibly kind man to everybody so you know that that's just how i know him um so it's hard for me to even think that he could

3:18:27 I'm just covering all the bases here. And the thing is like this, how i see it... All the way he said it was taken out of context and that's not what I found offensive and we're gonna get to where me as a and a black man found offensive because if you're saying in context or reading lyrics or... Or album titles, or something like that. Or quoting movie lines it's kind of like as a media person are you allowed to say that? I don't know they were saying uh if I would have heard it real time and understand the context but what I'm saying is one this was a hit

3:19:10 Yeah, this was a clear. I want to make it clear This was a clear hit the Kovac stuff wouldn't work and so they had say you know what? Who can we piss off to get him off of here? We can't do it ourself once again They go back to the workers mm-hmm It's like well if thought is out here Let's get a dark skinned woman yep cuz that played into it let's get a dark skinned woman to come out here just say She was offended by it and whatever these clips are being surfaced, I mean going around or whatever like that. And that was the whole point now the reason why i find this disrespectful is they look at black people like we're attack dogs That they can just point and say sick and we go sick right? Right! And this goes back to the first block if we ain't calling a hit we ain't doing your dirty work for you That's the whole point about it It's just like

3:20:09 This is about autonomy. I'm not your guard dog, and this makes me think of Animal Farm. Remember when the pigs took over? They took the dogs in the house and they trained the dogs and that's how they maintain power on the farm? This is exactly the case with that. They think black people are their attack dogs. And I was so proud of black people for the most part we were like no, we're not doing that! We're not doing your dirty work for you You can't see yourself without us getting involved. They really couldn't get him take taken down now another thing about that first clip the reason why they I don't think they said the N word they don't want to destroy Joe, they want a co-op team

3:20:51 Oh, for sure. Oh definitely and he's... We don't want to ruin him! You know what I'm saying? Just like rough him up a little bit. He is useful now. And he has got an open microphone which we now have already pressured him into saying yeah when i have one opinion on the next show get another opinion on so that's the pressure to have certain type of voices heard Right, and I would like to take the time to say you're saying. I don't know if you want talk about this not but I feel it's necessary talk about it I did call you and I know Joe is your friend And then it's like this If one of my friends say just say star for instance if Star wasn't a jam You're saying? I would like to have the

3:21:35 Ability to opt out like, hey Adam you know what I'm saying? I don't really want to talk about this. But i'll guarantee to the producers and the Facts family if we ever did that We would still come here and talk about why we don't want to talk about it You know what I'm saying It's just because I understand and I'm aware of If we don't talk about it then it's like oh Adam you're saying pulling Moe's chain Yeah, so yes Mo called me and I didn't even understand what you were asking initially like You know if you talked about the the Rogan thing And I'm like yeah talked about the wrong thing is on no agenda and all this and I was like oh you mean The n-word thing. No no of course not there's only one man in the world that I need to talk about that with on A podcast and if I asked Dvorak he'd say man you can talk to mo about that and so and This is this to me? and I

3:22:26 The way I perceive Joe, my friend Joe is he'd be actually very delighted if he heard that we were the ones discussing this the way only we can and it's a hell of a lot more useful. I think for us to do that than most. Right so like i said once again the thing I was upset by one couple things upset me one that people think they can just say attack and we attacked We don't work like that. Those days are over, you know what I'm saying? It's still people going to understand just fly out the handle but no it's What am i getting out of an attack and take him down yeah? I heard a lot of black people pushing back say well You know I mean they didn't really They just would have like this little bit of mumbling out of context there was no Uprising if that's what you mean because it was

3:23:18 This is how dumb they think we are. It was so thinly veiled, it's fresh off of the COVID attacks and then you come right back with a... racist attack. And I don't want to put anything out into the ether, but you know there's going to be another attack if he doesn't understand what you're saying. You know, D needs to stay in line and this is gonna show you how the media works now i wanna get to the second part of the uh... India Ari? Yeah, the GMA clip. Ari protesting Rogan's language requesting Spotify remove her music My hope is that some of my artist friends would follow and come along with me.

3:24:01 Because one of the hashtags I put on my post was, what if we all leave? There is absolutely no circumstance that a white person should be using that racial slur. Period! Spotify has faced growing pressure over Rogan's show artists like Joni Mitchell and Neil Young taking down their recordings over Rogan spreading COVID misinformation. Spotify right now is finding itself in a very serious predicament because on the one hand they say they don't censor creators but But they've also got people saying things that are untrue and potentially damaging in a public health sense, and racist on their platform.

3:24:41 They've got to draw the line somewhere. Dwayne The Rock Johnson initially showed support for Joe Rogan through the COVID controversy, but he appears to be distancing himself now tweeting that he did not know about the use of the racial slur Meanwhile Spotify has not publicly commented on the recent controversy. Yeah and The Rock. The Rock had that bullet call! You see she's got a big time He got that call. I don't care how big you think you are, Rock. You know what i'm saying? They were like hey step out the way and now shit they said Hey Rock! You know that spot on the Super Bowl you got coming up it'd be a shame if you know we got pulled yeah uh... you know that kind of thing so just like I said That's exactly what happened with him. Thats exactly what happened with him. Shit. I know how it goes down but the thing is this

3:25:38 Hearing it in context, that didn't really upset me. But I was upset with some of the stuff he said. I'm gonna keep it 100 with you and I always keep him saying 100 with the Fats family. And as we talked briefly before the show about this, I think I anticipate where you took offense at which I wholeheartedly agree with maybe more but we'll find out so what we're going to do is we'll get to that but India Iree even got reeled in. It's like, whoa whoa whoa They're calling Joel racist you need to go out here and clean it up that he's not a racist And I'm like hold on why would she post that then if it wasn't she didn't think he was racist? Is that she wanted a better cut for artists on Spotify and this is the problem with this whole argument

3:26:30 And that's Neil, Neil Young has always been angry with Spotify. All it's about Spotify not about Joe Rogan They're just taking advantage of it my god We had Elton John Phil Collins a whole bunch of British artists I think I think Paul McCartney Maybe just a year ago trying to start a campaign against Spotify and streaming payments which believe it or not All that money is going to the record companies who own their asses, own their masters and they cut the deal. They even got stock in Spotify! That's how corrupt that Spotify business is with music and they know it. They know what happened. I would say to India, I read the same thing as said on the first block If you got got, its your own fault You signed a contract so you can't come and whine and complain try to leverage

3:27:25 Black people's emotion and pain. That's why I found more sick about it from her side You know what you're doing, you know that word invokes? You know what the incident in you know The inferiority complex to come along with that word and most time be honest with you Most of time when a white person call you that you probably doing something right because they don't want you to keep doing it It's so You can't, you can't. That's one of the things you really can't empathize on because the way it is designed Let's go ahead and get into Ndiaye talking to Donald, Donald Lemon. Yes, the Donald, the Donald. And say about how she was upset but not really upset. After highlighting a barrage of racist language repeatedly used by Joe Rogan but she says she is not looking for him to be cancelled and singer songwriter Ndiaye rejoins me now. India you know I love you since the moment that I met you meaning your music so thank you for joining us

3:28:30 I think you have a very nuanced perspective about this and i really respect it. You say that Joe Rogan has spurred this protest but its not actually about him, what's it about ma'am? I love you too and your about to make me cry by playing I am light in my intro. It is about the confluence of energies Because there is Joe Rogan, his insensitive language around race. There's that and there's also Spotify in their treatment of artists and there's that So you were a listener and said you just started tuning out And what did you mean by when you held your hand up and said You have an issue with Spotify because we have this and then you have... What do you mean by that? Explain to the viewer Well I feel like the average person

3:29:22 confuses celebrity culture, I'm gonna hold my hand up again because my opinions are always nuanced. I think human beings we're nuanced so i feel like the average person confuses celebrity culture with being a working musician Hmm. Yeah, okay. That was the whole point of it is that we want a better cut I think we should all go...that wasn't talking about black people that was talking to other artists You know what i'm saying? It's a strike! It was a worker strike or threat of a worker strike What's so funny and sorry just interrupt about Spotify No worries If you really wanna hear some offensive shit listen to some of the music on Spotify

3:30:08 There's a lot of, you know... songs about black men killing black men. No! There is actually artists that kill black men and rap about killing black men. Yeah! Just keep it funky! That actually beat women and rap about it What what I'm just gonna stay at the killing there's actually a deaf culture And shouts out to my man. Ayo, Kasako he is doing another youtuber He's doing this whole thing about you know The Rat Trap and they have if there's an actual interactive game of murder going on between rappers right now where they're killing each other in Spotify plays his music

3:30:53 And they talk about all the people that kill and who they're gonna kill. I'm talking about listening like so-and-so got shot, so-and-so got shot, so-and-so got shot and you hear it like that person who raps about it he'll end up in the news. He's dead! And then they'll come back... The other side will come back to say someone else got shot don't let me go down the list and he'll get shot Chicago, Memphis you're saying all these towns and they have no problem. What's that called? How do we call that category well it's just is called drill rap I mean she probably heard it come up in saying with the mayor of New York is trying to do something with it yeah um but if this a whole coach it's like an interactive site it's like Grand Theft Auto but in real life right all they want to do is go around

3:31:43 They rap about who got killed and you're saying, and then when you do that it's disrespect so that puts a target on your back. And what they call the ops or the other side comes in trying to kill you. Spotify profits off of this. You like oh I'm more upset about dead black men than I am about podcasters saying the n-word now hold on But we ain't gonna let you off the hook. I know, i can feel the eyes rolling We can't let y'all up the hook and imma tell you what set me about Joe And Joe if your listening Im just gotta keep it 100 with ya bruh That monkey stuff? That monkey stuff? That lends to black people being subhuman and I cant give you a pass on that one

3:32:30 Full stop. I can't give you a pass on that one because that lands into the justification of slavery because they're subhuman, so we have to be their protectors and i know he didn't mean it that way but what i'm saying is that's far more offensive and it's not even offensive... It's triggering And like i said this goes into the racial programming of it's like they're sub-human So hold on, like I'm subhuman so that means you know you think... You know i can't think but in fairness this is where we're gonna get the full context. I have the whole clip of Jo Rogan talk about The Planet Of The Apes and we can go through it, we can listen to it um you could stop at any time you want do you have to listen to the whole clip? But this is when like I said when I heard that whole clip what she played

3:33:27 And I've heard this Planet of the Apes thing before and people have been upset about it before, so there's nothing new there. But I had to give a full analysis of how it is received So hopefully you know what I'm saying? People can learn from it and understand why its offensive The monkey thing. And I'll say that because I thought about this...I heard that too All of this has been around. I've seen that. I've seen the N-word clips You know, so I was actually quite surprised It hadn't been compiled pre...you know There's some other stuff about women and most of that seems like grainy old videos, so I don't really know the context. There was years and years of Joe Rogan experience I was never interested because it just seemed like a bunch of dudes hanging out drinking smoking and talking crap So it never really became interesting until the long-form interviewers till Joe perfected his format But I cannot personally

3:34:25 Think of any instance where I would use this make this comparison not not in a joke nothing It's baffling to me and now and I know I have not heard the whole thing in context so it'll help we have everything here Yes, it's the whole five minutes. All right Some are second continuous. I just split up in clips So we have space too, you know, or so you didn't have to stop it. Sure quickly No, it's the whole five minutes of no interruptions. So I just want to play it so people can hear it and then I'll give my commentary on it, and you can give me your feedback or you can hear what you heard and maybe send your feedback on it. You got it. Let's go ahead and get into 36.

3:35:06 So anyway, we can't go to there. You gotta go one where there's Planet of the Apes man We're gonna see Planet of the Apes so I look on the iPhone app and it says okay take me this one And then guy goes okay is that in a good neighborhood? He said oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Guy barely speaks English he takes us there we get out and we're giggling ooh we'll see Planet of the Apes! We walk into Planet of the Apes We walked into Africa, dude. We walked in the door and there was no white people. There was no white people. Planet of the Apes didn't take place in Africa because that was a racist thing for us to say but you see what I'm saying? What I'm saying is... Flies automatically stuck your head Yeah we would happen as we walked into the blackest neighborhood we could find. I mean it was there was literally no white people It was amazing and

3:35:52 Everybody was super cool. You know it wasn't a negative experience, and this is something I wrote on Twitter that we all went to We see Planet of the Apes in a black neighborhood and experienced I highly recommend All these fucking people started calling me a racist. I mean Dozens of Twitter people do I didn't know you were racist fuck you like black people are saying fuck you? I'm like listen man. I am saying it was a positive experience And it was a black neighborhood Alright, so you want to hear what I heard? Sure. What I heard was and how could take it we hung out with monkeys but it was cool there were cool monkeys! You know that? Kind of like you went to a petting zoo and like man I was scared going in there with those monkeys but when I got in there everything was cool. Hold on so wait a minute... So the original premise if I understand properly is they wanted to see the movie Planet Of The Apes in a completely black neighborhood

3:36:51 I don't know. I don't think, i dont know if that's the only place it was available and that's where they went? But what im just saying is to think that it wouldn't be cool That's the racist part of it! To think like we were gonna be crapping in our heads and throwing it at the screen What Im saying- thats how its perceived Now he even acknowledged that saying it was in Africa was racist, so he's self-aware. But he is not as self aware of how it lands is what I'm saying. No, of course! How does... So understand the monkey comparison when he says dude there were no white people there how does that hit you?

3:37:37 I don't care. It's about the subhuman part is that what upsets people and it's not about looking like a monkey cuz i think that's what think of people think like oh you know they look their brown no it's the comparison yeah it's the actual intelligence thing That's the thing that think we're subhuman, like we're the missing link. You know what I'm saying? On the evolution chain and a lot of this goes into Darwinism. See now... This is a good setup for another show I got called Science Itself Is Racist. The same science y'all want us to trust and believe in. So that's another reason why you said I set this up the way I did because

3:38:17 This only lands to, you know what I'm saying? Like we're subhuman in it and when we have intelligence that's the... You know what I'm saying. Oh wow! That's a smart one. And that's where the talented Tim Bouley stuff comes from is that oh we got smart one here like well why would i be the anomaly? I don't understand that. Moe you're different. Now you see why the different thing is racist Of course. I've never said that to you, have ever said that? Have you ever been introduced like that? I don't think i would say that Well different can be used in different ways Different of... You don't have the political views as most people Yeah it's already loaded though That's what but with like I said It's about how things are received because its processed through a racial program

3:39:07 Well I don't think Joe has any idea how this was received. He does now of course but i think he still doesn't really, really understand it and hopefully when he hears this because I know he listens so hopefully uh he'll get it and that's like me saying hey Adam you jumped pretty high for a white guy Excuse me? You know, or you know that kind of... Oh you got some good rhythm for a white guy. Yeah unfortunately the racial programming I have is that it's meant to immediately be... yeah i know right! It's immediately...I'm not supposed to be offended by that. That's a laugh line

3:39:46 Is that because that's how it was portrayed in the media? That's correct. You know, is is the fact that It supposed to be a compliment I think If you say yeah, he got some rhythm He has some rhythm though Adam like you're supposed to beat but what are you saying like 90% of white people don't have rhythm. Um, I don't understand how they're supposed to work, you know But at the same time let me see there I will say amongst my white brothers and sisters There's a lot of clapping on the one and the three I have to admit that Hey, man y'all got... It's just different vibes like river dancing. You know what I'm saying? Like hey bro... River dancing! You know what I'm saying? Hey, I give mad respect for that because it's just a different rhythm we all got... That's the whole point We all got rhythms is just different rhythms you know um we got all got intelligence is just different intelligence Sure So that's what we had to appreciate but we had to understand the media shapes things in a certain way where

3:40:41 you know, for years and years of portraying black people as monkeys. Not the fact of being a monkey but it's like you have the intelligence of a subhuman I gotta tell you this story i have to share this I'm sure she will be going back to our school teacher and she got in huge trouble like massive trouble and it was a total fuck up So, remember she's advanced placement so you know but it is public school and there was this one I think it was an Asian girl. It was before class and the Asian girl is showing she has a cute little purse with a little monkey on it you know? And so they're just chatting and then another girl walks in another student and this is very loving public school teacher says hey monkey how are you doing

3:41:34 Now, why she said that is a term of endearment. She had just seen a monkey on this little purse and of course the student who had just come in was black I mean... Oh no! But she triggered it like this? The same thing? And because I know our school teacher, she's not racist but holy crap! That was almost career-ending for her I bet it was because it's about how it was received. And the little girl was traumatized, of course! Of course...of course Anyway that that was just an example of how trauma even though this was a real mess up and she clearly didn't mean to call the student a monkey but how deep deeply triggering that was in this whole thing It was an uproar. And racial programming can also be intra-race

3:42:33 Yes, right now it's black people sitting on the edge of their seat to see how I'm gonna handle this and I'm aware that okay. I know where we're going Mm-hmm. No, but that's that's the whole thing like is this did oh well? I got a I gotta say something But you know should I say something sure not say something these thoughts go in your head with me I don't know, maybe I'm just crazy like that. That's what I mean, I get it from my dad. It's like, I'm going to say what I feel and if you don't like me because of that so be it but I got to say how I feel or I can't live with myself and that goes back into the point on how I made a decision I made. I had to live with myself at the end of the day. When this is all said and done with The Shot, I couldn't live with myself. That's why I made the decision. Speaking on this, understand? I gave you the opt out because like I said, If something comes down one of my friends

3:43:26 But we'll still come here and say, you know what? We're not going to talk about this. And this is why and we're still gonna have a conversation No no This is the actual learning moment from it all everything that did on mainstream and his apologies is is Oh whatever but this is the learning This is where you can really understand what the real problem is exactly so let's go ahead get into 37 We get in there right and we're so we're so giggly hard like oh my god, we're so high then I realize like whoa Everyone's black here. Like well, I mean everyone's black It is crazy and then a bunch of people recognize me and they start want to take him pictures And it's all good everybody's cool and friendly coolest shit coolest shit like this guy goes yo man. I'm

3:44:05 I don't know you from. I don't want to bother you, man. I'm not trying to use up your time where I know you from." And I go fear factor and he goes yeah that's it but it was the way he said it was like so cool and we're giggling oh no one did the smoke rocks thing but took a lot of goddamn pictures and shoot like I said super cool super friendly this is not a negative story So then when we go into the movie theater right It's me, Tommy and like maybe there is another white person. Maybe one other white person. Movie theater filled with black people and they are having a good fucking time! You know how people always complain that black people talk to the movie theater? And talk to screens? Yes they do... yes they do but it's good. Hey there, it's still the X-Factor here. Fucking yeah if that what you know... The way I felt like look i'm in their neighborhood this is how they go to movies who the fuck am I to be offended by how they like to go to movies

3:44:54 Okay, so I respect that because he realized that you're saying hey. I'm in there to understand territory or in their neighborhood wherever you want to put it Hey, they talk to the movies using a movie screen. That's what we gonna do And and I will say I had this experience Times Square 1988 when Times Square was still dangerous and I went to the premiere of coming to America and And I'd only been in New York for about a year and half, and it was one of the most exhilarating experiences I've ever had. I had never been to a movie theater like that!

3:45:31 ever. Because we're the OG reaction videos, that's what like the same thing right now they have a YouTube reaction video. Black History Month we started it! It was and remember I was basically uh i really didn't know much at all about black American culture because I'd grown up in Europe And, you know that's why I would walk on Times Square. I was clearly a very pasty white guy. I'm never afraid of anything or anybody because I walked among color all the time. That's how I grew up but that was a phenomenal experience so that part I totally understand what...I didn't actually know that the theater would be like 99% black

3:46:17 Yeah, but we have a different experience when we watch movies. You know what I'm saying? Like, look behind you! Listen up corner! That kind of thing But that's just culturally us And that's the beauty... like I said Just appreciate the beauty of it and the thing- like I said He went into this and only thing I take offense to is why wouldn't you think it would be cool What would make you think that it wouldn't be cool Well, that's his programming Right, that's my point. My program is triggering off his program but like why wouldn't you think? But isn't that what we know isn't that why in the words of Malcolm with the only way we're gonna figure this shit out as we sit down and talk about it because it turns out hey I thought you were going to be triggered about my being triggered about your being triggered thinking me being triggered and it's all dumb

3:47:06 And then we do this weird dance and be awkward around each other. It's just like, you know what? This is how I feel like well You know what? I don't feel that way but the only thing I took away from it was the Thinking he was in planet of the ape. He's like yeah, but now I'm not we're not subhuman No, no, but that dad's I don't know, it's just that comes from years and years and decades and centuries of black people who will wild out on you at any moment. No! That is not how that works. Well let us see what else? Is there anything else triggering in this bit? Let us go ahead and go to 38.

3:47:43 They were at the movies and I'm not saying all black neighborhoods do this, but this particular back neighborhood these people brought babies bro. I mean there's a lot of people with babies Yeah, I mean it wasn't just one these these people in front of us walked in and they had toddlers like little two-year-olds sitting on their lap to see Planet Of The Fucking Apes at like 1040 on a Friday night Didn't give a fuck, but I'll tell you what made me really nervous and maybe feel kind of weird was watching all of these previews of all these different TV shows or are there different movies around that they're coming out? And I'm watching these movies and all of them are about white people.

3:47:06 And then we do this weird dance and be awkward around each other. It's just like, you know what? This is how I feel like well You know what? I don't feel that way but the only thing I took away from it was the Thinking he was in planet of the ape. He's like yeah, but now I'm not we're not subhuman No, no, but that dad's I don't know, it's just that comes from years and years and decades and centuries of black people who will wild out on you at any moment. No! That is not how that works. Well let us see what else? Is there anything else triggering in this bit? Let us go ahead and go to 38.

3:47:43 They were at the movies and I'm not saying all black neighborhoods do this, but this particular back neighborhood these people brought babies bro. I mean there's a lot of people with babies Yeah, I mean it wasn't just one these these people in front of us walked in and they had toddlers like little two-year-olds sitting on their lap to see Planet Of The Fucking Apes at like 1040 on a Friday night Didn't give a fuck, but I'll tell you what made me really nervous and maybe feel kind of weird was watching all of these previews of all these different TV shows or are there different movies around that they're coming out? And I'm watching these movies and all of them are about white people.

3:48:24 Oh, weird. And I'm sitting there and going wow this is weird! Imagine being a blank person? And I always thought people would complain about oh there's no films for black people or roles for black actors so go make your movie what do you want from me but when you go to a god damn movie theater with all black people That's when you really feel it. I'm sitting there in the audience and all these people are black, but every movie preview is white Well that's Joe getting some awareness right there You only get awareness from experience? That's right And that's why if When you go in a room just like with the uh Like going back to the A block when you bring somebody into you saying you want

3:49:15 makes somebody aware that they offended you, you educate them. And that's why the Jewish people do that. Like I'm saying let me make sure it is clear. We're gonna have a rabbi come talk to you and educate you on why this is important but they don't want us to do that. They want us to be upset mad right way it doesn't get solved and then we go in there always can keep us as their attack dog And when I say they, I mean the capital T-H-E-Y. They because it's functional for them It's like well anybody we're gonna take somebody down you know saying we can say something to say they said something right so doesn't that say a lot? I mean you're hearing about The fans who once they recognized it was Joe in the theater doesn't that say a lot about how really interestingly how mature we are

3:50:12 that there wasn't, that black America didn't immediately go into outrage and start yelling. He said you know we kind of know Joe Rogan he may be... I'm just paraphrasing you tell me if i'm off base like we know Joe Rogan he doesn't seem like you know it's he fucked up and we he's got to know Which of course there's never any designated person who does that. There is a whole bunch of douchebags, yeah? I would say the bigger lender to that was we understood somebody was trying to trigger us Right! We're not going do your dirty work for them Now if like i said If were trying to call the takedown How it goes is A-Joe If im saying...if Im calling the shots A-Joe, we need talk

3:50:55 You know in that clip you was talking about the monkeys, you know how you said it wasn't a representation? Only white people on the screen. You empowered to do something about that now Joe. I would hate for it! We can definitely work this out Joe This is transactional This is how mature people work things out. It's like this is transactional Now what we're gonna do- Oh its Black History Month too huh Joe What were going to need is uh... Were gonna need some black people on your show all of this month And then we're gonna need to talk some of your Hollywood fans about that lack of representation in Hollywood. That's how you work these things out on a transactional level, but they wanted us to be on an emotional level and that's why you didn't see the outcry that you saw because people are getting hip to... But that timing of it- That's great! That's improvement, that's winning

3:51:45 What is getting emotional about something get you other than your emotional release and then you go back to the same circumstance that you were in? You know, when you can leverage. I mean it's leverage! It is what it is. That's business. Anytime you could leverage something over somebody... And it's not about destroying them. It's just like you admit yourself as lack of representation right? Do something about it You know, and let me address one more thing before we get to this last clip. There were some other things that I guess he had on there talking about the bell curve and black people or people of color are a proponent or more likely to be violent and that kind of stuff

3:52:29 I don't want any of that taken down because what i would rather have is scholars come in and debate you and prove you wrong. See we need to stop this oh, we need it ah this hurtful take it out take it out please no invite, y'all have a list. Here's the list of people we want to invite those guys back that's pushing the bell curve and all this other stuff and I'm gonna bring these guys over we're gonna have a debate now the only thing now the only I'm gonna push back on that because Joe Rogan show is not a debate show and everybody wants to do this every everybody wants Joe to have two people on debating that's not what that show is so I'm going to push back on that having having other people on absolutely but debating know that

3:53:11 that ruins the show. Let me say this about debate to counterbalance that whatever agenda was pushed at time you said it's open mic so let's have some counter balance to it right I had to be on the same show now understand but the danger there because that's what he admitted he would do and the danger there is who gets to push those buttons? It ain't gonna be MoFax I agree with you on that one because it's gonna be the boulay pushing. Yes sir, that is exactly what its going to be That why we need to have independent grass root representation You need to give me the damn list and I give the damn list to Mo- to Joe! Thats... thats it Give me the list Ok I'll give him the list And im not the one who made the list like I said everybody listening you understand whatever you know Give us the list Look I can't make the list

3:54:04 Joe can't make the list? And Joe does the list. Joe does the lists himself, it's Joe's List. Right so what I'm just saying is this is that fact that All it needs to be two sides of the conversation. Just like when you had Sanjay Gupta up there, you have a Dr Malone. You understand the counterbalance? Sure this is all I'm saying that because I'm not the one to make the list but there needs to be effort put and that's why i said if you have somebody actually what this proves is lack of representation on the black side Morning Santa issue with you saying of his but I'll draw on and I'll draw an analogy so whenever I've been on there, and I talk about Bitcoin then the whole Bitcoin community is like The ether community better everyone's yelling You gotta have that person on that person on that part And you know what the result is no one gets on So there's got to be a better way

3:55:03 To have a list because I can already. I already know I know all ready the people are gonna come out of the wargo I mean, I get it all the time you go on Joe Rogan Here's the thing you get hey man You know you should tell Joe he should have so-and-so on I Get this ten a day and I'm sure you I'm sure you get that because the same thing I may have a much smaller platform But you always how do you need to have this person? Oh, yeah It's just like I want to talk to people too interesting And it's not the point, like I said. That's just opening up... So what I'll say is, I guarantee you, knowing Joe he's a very thoughtful dude He sits and he works a lot but he thinks a lot and he reads a lot and he and I share all kinds of stuff that You remember my first or second appearance I was talking about ADOS? You never heard of it This is a process It takes a little while

3:56:02 And by the way, not a lot of help from ADOS when I did that. I got a lot of people saying who the fuck are you to talk about it? Look this is a process no matter who it is and I think Joe got a turbo charge we'll see We'll see, but I have a good feeling. My whole point is that when you bring stuff to the table it makes them aware of it and say oh there's ADOS? There actually some is. It's out there That's my point But my point is when people are allies or helping or whatever don't shoot the fucking messenger because I got little gun shy You know I'm like well hey Leon dude there's ADOS and there's some shit going on that I'm just learning myself

3:56:43 You know, the knee-jerk reaction is, yeah it was this cracker talking about this shit. We need this person on that person on... That's not helpful! It's no different in the Bitcoin community. That's what I'm saying, that it is not helpful either and i always say that. You have a whole variety of different agendas brother. How would you say agenda? It's just different points of view because if you say Ados, the FBA people are going to say what about us and if you say FBA you're gonna have to... And no matter what I say The Hotep has always been told me Right. So, yes that's my whole point is but open it up

3:57:25 to, only when you're pushing stuff like black people are prone to violence. Like we need to talk to somebody that counter that. You know? That's a hell of a... And I'm saying that kind of stuff just like with the Sanjay Gupta-Dr Malone. That would be the perfect balance. He didn't have them on the same show and neither one addressed each other directly but it was like let's and I get it Joe Rogan podcast is to put fringe ideas out there, I get it. Like the mudslide that's why people tune in the mud slide aliens UFOs all these different things things that you don't hear on the mainstream i get that but there's a you know saying there's an opportunity for that as well and I'm just saying if we were the ones that called him to task but obviously we were not when I said the quote-unquote black community are not the ones that push this agenda No

3:58:20 If we were, that's how it happens because trust me when the Jewish community goes in they don't give a rat's ass what your agenda is. And all I'm saying is emulate what works for them and could work for us That's my point of it all So let's go ahead and get into the last clip of this block 39 There's no black characters and then finally there's this movie with Jonah Hill they show a preview for the movie And it's Jonah Hill, and he's doing all this different shit He's babysitting kids But he supposed to be like a cool guy in the way They show you who's he's a cool guy is there's an old black guy working like at a door at a club

3:59:04 Like the black guy's there and Jonah Hill is talking black to him. You know, it is what it is brother It is what it- And I'm watching this with all these black people watching this white guy talk like a black guy and I mean in this fucking theater field that I might end up high as fuck I mean just barbecued, sitting there soaking in this experience going wow! This is fucked up. No wonder why black people are angry and they feel disenfranchised like they're completely removed from the mainstream cultural experience in a lot of ways There's a tiny percentage of black people that are included in movies So finally Planet Of The Apes plays Everyone's white in the movie except the bad guy The bad guy is a black guy

3:59:46 And I thought it was so strange. Not only that, he's a bad guy who owns this giant company and he has an English accent! It's like not only is he, but you it's like you couldn't have a brother from Philadelphia that figured out how to own this corporation. It couldn't be a guy even a brother that talks like A regular businessman type dude You know who's like well what we need to do is acquire this and you know once we get that and then will beyond Moving and then we get in the forceful, you know no No This guy has an English accent He doesn't sound like anybody you know And this is the only black eye in the fucking movie and I'm like wow and then the rest of movies just badass monkeys.

4:00:48 There was some Twitter spaces going around and you have people darker than me in these rooms calling foundational and ADOS blacks monkeys. Yeah, so where would I learn that from somebody is darker than them? They darken in the person they calling us to and they're calling them monkeys. Yeah and making monkey sounds So I'm just understanding these ideas We need to push back on the idea is not two people right and seek first understand then to be understood now That's my take on a whole Joe Rogan thing you know I found that you're saying very Problematic, as we said to use a term that's floating around. As far as the monkey comparison because that taps into not the actual physical appearance but that I think on a subhuman level

4:01:39 Which is a real problem. Now I'll say this, go ahead... No the only thing i was going to say is we are in a very unique position and if there's ever an opportunity to have a certain voice that Joe would not be exposed to or know about you know I have no control but I can certainly tell Joe hey this is someone to consider So I'm just saying this is unique. This is unique to us, is what I'm saying it's unique to us and I must say how would have been beneficial with him He can said I had these people own To save their peace so what the hell are you talking about? You know what he doesn't even care about that The Joe I know actually wants to learn that's my point. He this is not about

4:02:41 He's not about fair, upside down left side down. He doesn't need the Spotify money he just wants to learn so that's a mission for everybody to help him because that slot is incredibly influential and it could change a lot of things So its great opportunity we have to make sure that the Boule doesn't get all their crap in That's the part that is dangerous for this And that's my takeaway from this whole segment is you have to get to the grassroots. Not the people coming, not the Charlemagne's... No no no no. You're gonna have to do something to get off and under this. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna have to do some homework Well you're gonna have to put that brown paper bag on your head with eye holes cut out because obviously we need Mo to go. I'll go behind one of those dark screens like when they uh

4:03:34 when they do the um yeah the criminal changeover the criminal sure mo i'm a thought criminal oh yeah no well we know that and we all know that so just to go back to you saying to wrap this up, no matter what Joe said I would never ask him for an apology. Because when you ask for an apology, that's a sign of weakness Just like-I will never apologize! I don't care how much pressure people put on me. Unless I honestly feel like I offended you?

4:04:10 You're not going to pressure me to apologize for something I don't feel like I need to apologize for. And in the last clip of the show, we gotta go back and Mr. Nilly, The Honorable Nilly Fuller, because I don't agree with everything he says! But he's speaking on respect and apologies, and I think this is very helpful to show when you demand apology actually makes you look weak. You never ask anyone to respect you. There are three things that you don't ask for You never ask for respect, you never ask for an apology and you never ask for love. Ever! From anybody ever don't let those words ever come out of your mouth that you've asked somebody to respect you Respect comes from yourself it doesn't come from somebody else other people can be discourteous at all like that That's on them that has nothing do with you you don't care what they say let them shout curse

4:05:09 through things at the walls, what not. I mean that's their business and that's a part of what you call compensatory conversation control. If you beg somebody for respect, please respect me. Please apologize to me! Please love me! These things... One thing is that respect only comes from yourself and apologies and love is something that people give voluntarily Those other two things Apologies and Love You never ask anybody for an apology

4:05:52 I apologize for what I said to you the other day. That's when it has value, when you have I'm going to inflict injury on you. I'm gonna say terrible things about you, or I'm gonna do something to you You better apologize! But first say okay okay okay? I apologize for slavery alright? I apologize for all the things that i am gonna do next week Or this evening And in fact...I will load you up with apologies With apologists..i mean and....You'll have them in advance

4:06:40 So true, so true. Yep that's how you operate out of being a real man or real person or stand-up person You don't ask for apologies, demand apologies, you don't even leverage people for apologies because it's not gonna be genuine What's the point? Yeah absolutely yeah That's my rap I appreciate that, Mo. And it's kind of what I expected so i'm happy that I can anticipate and know how you're feeling about stuff, how you're thinking about stuff but this whole episode was good! We talked about stuff that is just not talked about typically if ever. You can't! That's the whole point of it! That's why people appreciate value and they find the value in it because

4:07:34 You're not gonna get this anywhere else. I don't, cause we're both independent thinkers and the only way to keep it continuing is for everyone to support this work It's very important work and you are also I mean, you're producers and you're also watching your value being turned into...I don't know. So it could be this...I'm looking at the MoFax Entertainment Enterprises empire and i'm very excited about the future that I see as particularly this episode shows what kind of great things we can expect. Very excited about it! Please support us

4:08:13 Go to MoFacts.com or MoFundMe.com, or get a podcast app that can help us at NewPodcastApps.com and thank you, Mo! And as I always say pay attention everything in the truth will reveal itself We'll see in two weeks everybody If you want something to play with go and find yourself a toy Baby, my time is too expensive And I'm not a little boy If you are serious Don't play with my heart It makes me furious

4:09:19 But if you want me to love you Then baby I will Girl, you know that we'll Tell it like it is Don't be ashamed Let your conscience Be your guide No, deep down inside of me I believe you love me Forget your foolish pride Your life is too short to have sorrow You may be here today and gone tomorrow

4:10:20 You might as well get what you want So go on and live, baby go on and live Tell it like it is I'm nothing to play with Go find yourself some time My time is too expensive and I'm not your little boy