38: You Ain't Binary

00:02 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for May 25th, 2020. This is episode number 38 with a brand new beautifully sounding clean feed... Hello Mo! How you doing Adam? I'm good man. I'm so excited about the setup. I can finally hear you in all of your glory Thank you. I'm glad to be here as well um, you're sounding like you sit right next to me I know it's so it's all of a sudden that became so much more intimate this show. I'm glad we're doing it at night You've got the lights down you're hanging with Adam and Mo So a lot of people very excited some anticipation for this particular episode is we had some interesting events take place

00:49 over the past couple of days and I can only surmise where we may be heading for today's show but for sure we didn't do it on Saturdays. We were going to try to attempt to keep that pretty regular because you did have to go down the rabbit hole, correct? Well, I had it all planned out Friday. I was sitting pretty. I was like okay, I got what I want to talk about And then maybe about 10 a.m., my phone started to blow up and the whole world shook from Mr... Well, Just go ahead and spin the wheel. Okay, alright hold on a second let me get the wheel Ladies and gentlemen it's time to figure out what is our topic going to be What? Gee I don't know The wheel seems kind of rigged for todays show It is the Wheel Of Topics Where it stops nobody knows except from Moe And today's topic is If you have a problem figuring out whether your for me or Trump Then you aint black Bingo Boom shakalaka And I must tell you This

01:52 came into my brain very different than it would have six months ago. Before we started doing this show. I realized really much. Oh, yeah. Oh Yeah, I had a much better understanding of what it happened would have just happened there and thank you because you've really Educated me and lots of people then together We've learned a lot of shit about this It's really been phenomenal And when I heard this I was like okay, and this is the clear-cut case that of when keeping it real goes wrong. You're watching When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong Is that what Joe was trying to do? Was he trying to keep it real? Yeah, yeah I think thats and he got super comfortable um and he...I think he was a bit frustrated too because

02:51 He's like, I showed up. I gave you 18 minutes what the hell more you want from me? That kind of thing and that's how i took it yeah well It was like that because his handler had already jumped in. The interview was basically over His handler jumped in and said okay that's all the time we got I'm sorry And then you know I don't know if you have all that but then Charlamagne was like hey man You can't do this to black media you gotta give us more time To which Joe actually had some response And so in a way he was Joe was kind of baited without him knowing it into the black-white conversation I see it kind of different though because I think that was a preloaded line

03:33 And he was waiting to get it off. Wow, you're telling me someone wrote that for him? No I think in his mind he was like i can't wait to oh this line off and when the guy rushed him he was like okay this is my one and only chance I hadn't even considered that because you know political consultants are all around this guy telling him what to do that they're not very good because well all kinds of things are going wrong but I hadn't even considered that maybe he had he had that one is like alright i'm gonna make it real and i'll throw this line out these are my people they understand me very possible.

04:12 For the people that don't know what we're talking about. I got the show kind of in segments Okay, and the first segment is kind of how? The whole thing happened in the reception of it so we're gonna go on over to crystal and sag are at win see their reaction to Joe Biden statements A pretty stunning moment this morning when between Joe Biden and Charlamagne Tha God in an interview on The Breakfast Club. Somebody actually predicted that it would always go bad for him, and that a terrible clip would go viral. It certainly did! I have no words to describe this interaction let's just watch it. You got more questions? I tell you if you have a problem figuring out whether your from me or Trump

04:56 And you ain't black. It don't have nothing to do with Trump, it has to do with the fact I want something for my community. Take a look at my record man! I extended the voting rights 25 years Wow. What he says there is if you don't know who you're supporting, then you ain't black! First of all love the diction and disposition as if that's just how white people should talk to black people but What really gets me about this is the, obviously it's a racist idea but it's his entire mindset towards the black community. Towards the black vote to the way that he looks at the way that he takes their votes for granted I mean this is literally like a caricature of what the Sanders campaign and Trump campaign and Republicans have been saying about how Democrats treat black voters for decades now And he just came out and said it

05:54 Yeah, projection much. I'm glad you brought up a point that you saw it differently than you would have six months ago because this is a character. This is What we've been saying for a very long time and I did a little juxtaposition between how things were covered and I use several throwback clips. Good So we're gonna jump right into the throwback clip from show four on how Malcolm X felt about white liberals White Liberals who have posed as our friends

06:31 White liberals who have been eager to point out what the white men in the South has been doing to us, while they themselves here in the North are doing the same thing. They have been making a great fuss over the South only to blind us to what is happening here in the North And now that the eyes of America's 20 million blacks can easily see that this white fox here in the north is even more cruel and vicious than the white wolf in the south. The southern wolves always let you know where you stand. But these northern bastards pose as white liberals, they pose as your friend, pose as your benefactor, pose as your employer, they pose as your landlord, they pose as the neighborhood merchants, they pose as your lawyer trying to help you

07:25 So it was precisely this clip of this speech which of course we've referred to several times in in the whole series that That I was thinking of when when this whole thing went down. I'm like oh my god He actually showed everybody what Malcolm X was talking about in fact He was probably 30 when Malcolm X said it yeah, and I feel so vindicated because I've been trying to prove this point of how the Democrats aka the liberals Feel towards black people is like you know they have to treat us like children and

08:19 they know best for us. Now let me just qualify something, when you say Democrats do you I don't think you mean everybody who votes Democrat? No no we talk about Democrat Republican left right we're talking about the establishment and the political structures that are set up so i want to make that clear but with what he said It's amazing because we've often referred to on this show at to refer Trump as the Wolf King right? Yes. Annoyingly when I heard this clip again, like holy shit! We call Trump the wolf king

09:03 And we may refer to Republicans as the wolves and they referred to the Democrats that the fought. And this is the whole argument in a nutshell, oh well one's more with one work. One is worse than the other right? That's the whole argument will you know Joe Biden is not as bad as Trump And it's the thing is like at least you know what you're getting with Donald Trump, right? That's the best account of argument If I'm gonna choose between one or the other At least I know what I'm getting before it was like No The Democrat political structure are like Foxes like right they just kind of sneak around and steal your eggs out of your chicken coop

09:45 Where are the wolf he just come up and eat you And they'll tell you about it too. He's like I'm on my way to eat you exactly So I'm going down the spectrum here, so I'm gonna start on what I call the far left But we know there's a far-far left but I'm starting with sagar and crystal because they're the I guess you would as a sure there's a better word the anti-establishment But they're not the establishment democrats, right? Absolutely another Another anti-establishment democrat. I like to listen to is jimmy bore Yeah So i want to hear his take on this if so If you don't vote for for joe biden You ain't black This is the joe biden who uh, I recently humiliated a black woman on television As my

10:39 who thought she was going to be my vice president pick, and now I'm vetting a woman to be my vice president who threw a black teenager in jail for life for murder that there's no evidence he committed. Plus i wrote the crime bill support me or you ain't black! I'm sure the Dems will spin this in a positive way... You know for every reasonable human being vote we'll lose on the coast We'll pick up five KKK members in Pennsylvania and you can repeat that in Ohio and Michigan and Wisconsin Did corn pop endorse that answer by the way if you don't vote for me, you ain't black You know one of the most prominent black celebrities in America is a trumper. This is Jimmy doors good It's very good. I like Jimmy cuz he keeps it. He keeps it honest. I mean he doesn't Take the party line and push it. He said a lot in that clip and I want to lay out just idea here

11:37 Joe Biden is trying to thread a needle and what I mean by that is he's trying to maintain the black vote while speaking a certain way, to court some of the more conservative Democrats that come over him for come over to him. That may have voted for Trump in 2016 And he does that by saying you ain't? Is that how he does it? Well, the whole 18 minutes when he talked to Charlamagne we're gonna get some clips from there. Yeah yeah good The tone he used was authoritative

12:19 So yeah, you know I saw it. There was a lot of come on man. A lot of that right? It was very it's very chastising but then patronizing at the same time it was a weak is one of the strangest things I've ever seen because he was like I have to make it seem like I'm pushing back against these black folks Yes Yeah, there was no white folks in the rust belt won't think I'm going soft But at the same time all you was, come on man and all this job talk. You know what I'm saying? Give me some five on the black hand side talk to make them seem like iIm with them." Yeah it's not quite right on but it's up there. He tried it but it just fell! And Jimmy Dore in his last statement he said one of the most influential Black people

13:11 out there are Republican. I don't think that's a true statement, but Trump support is what he said and I think who he was referring to Kanye West. I told him look my father is a Black Panther and my mother got arrested for the sit-ins at age 6 they were fighting for us to have the right to our opinion, not the right to vote for whoever the white liberals said black people are supposed to vote for. You get what I'm saying? Then James Corden went in and said well this president you're Christian and this president I don't see anything Christian about him. I say okay so last year y'all tried to tell me who am I supposed to vote because I'm black now this year white liberals trying to tell me who I'm supposed to vote because I'm Christian

14:02 That would be like I live in Calabasas so every one of my cars gotta be a convertible, huh? This is all based on y'all vision but what I'm supposed to do and understand like a lot of people. It's not a matter Whether you like it or who liked it we are in a country where we allowed to like whatever We like has Kanye actually weighed in on this. I haven't seen anything from him No, he hasn't weighed in on this and but I think he sit back and smiling like I told you so if all was him because we covered this and this is another throwback clip from show 13 where he's been vindicated right i mean joe bottom basically says if you don't vote for him and he didn't even say vote for him but that's one of the things I want to be clear on what he said yeah this is a good point it's a very good point because this was immediately twisted and turned in actually

14:59 The way it was twisted and turned, it lost some of its original meaning which was worse than the twisty turny bit. And I'm glad you recognize that because what he said was if you can't recognize the difference between me and Donald Trump nothing about voting but if your just not smart enough...I mean thats the connotation in what hes saying If your not smart enough to figure out that im better for you then Donald Trump Your not black Not even about voting, but it has implications on voting. That's why it was kind of... Yeah twisted that way of course Twisted that way But and I think and I immediately because I saw it And I pay attention to words and I immediately thought oh look at that Immediately they're twisting It it's not exactly what he said and what he said was worse I think than just the voting part too so right

15:54 Because they want to make it binary and that's gonna play later into the fact everything is binary. It's One or the other there's no shade of gray, but we'll get to that later on in the show So I started Grabbing clips of the fallout as soon as it happened seeing who they're gonna throw up here. Did you actually? Send your kids off to boarding school and you called in sick to work And you told your wife if you were having an affair is that what took place here cuz I did some work man This is great. I said yeah, I was sending your clip so like maybe this how about this try this right it was I Took this at a labor of love because this

16:40 Vindicates not only me, but everybody that's free thinking. You know this is a term Kanye West even brought up you know saying free-thinking black man or black woman This is how we're treated So I was like, yeah. I have to do this show it can't wait another week It has to happen and that's why I told you we can't go Saturday right because I had to hear the whole news cycle between Friday and Monday To see how this thing played out right? Well on MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Had a segment on Biden is in no position to determine who was black enough or not

17:19 That was quite an exchange. Patrick, Biden's senior advisor Simone Sanders tweeted that his comments were in jest but the Trump campaign has seized on it I wanted to give you a chance your take You know, I respect Simone but those are not the kind of comments that one should make even in jest I have had the privilege of working directly with the vice president actually he swore me in as U.S ambassador to South Africa and I know that he is a conscious a

18:01 However, Vice President Biden is in no position to determine who is black enough or not. I understand that the interview was testy and there's a little bit of a generational challenge there but I know that when it comes time to really litigate the campaign, there's a thoughtfulness that Joe Biden will demonstrate that was not demonstrated in that interview thoughtfulness generational Wow well may I point out how interesting it is that two dudes with a couple of mics and in a podcast sound a lot better than the multi-million dollar Andrea Mitchell show two guys would have microphones and like

18:46 How many every years experience you have it being an expert at doing this? Andrea Mitchell's been around a long time too. I'm just saying Have you ever heard of this guy Patrick Gaspar? No, no I haven't. Actually was gonna look him up Let me share a little bio with you as he stated He was the former US ambassador to South Africa during the Obama administration and also president of George Soros' Open Society Foundation Wow! Even when it comes to Joe Biden slurs Soro's is always looking around the corner

19:25 And this aired on the 22nd, so that's Friday. So he was out there early Early on I'm working it working it working it and Making sure people know that Joe Biden will show a thoughtfulness Yes, yes those two words don't even match in no way shape or form I just felt that weird, but I guess they're letting him know where the money still behind Joe Biden Well he's also so he also was the political director for the SEIU The service union you tell you know that's that's big big Donation money and very this is a powerful guy. I think this why they rolled him out to let people know that the money Is it still behind? I am in agreement with that

20:15 But what he said was a bunch of BS talking about how black people were better off after Obama. Because we had a throwback clip to refute that from show 23 from talent Tavis Smiley. This week while we were traveling in Iowa, We spoke with Mr. Smiley about what's changed over the last decade as Martin Luther King Day approaches on Monday. He started by talking about what areas if any are better for black America now than they were before Barack Obama took office I'm sad to report that in every single leading economic category, black America has lost ground over the last decade. In every major economic category we've lost ground so this book comes out as you said in 2006 so clearly this book was out before Obama shows up to win 2008 or the book was never about Barack Obama then this 10-year update

21:08 is not about him now, but it is true that over these last 10 years most of that on his watch black America has lost ground in the major economic indicator categories. And then we got rid of Tavis Smiley I'm still looking for Tavis to this day. That was the death knell. Tavis watch is still active. We laugh about it but it's kind of sad because they took him down for some other, I think bull crap charge and when I say take them down they basically put him out of business or out of his public broadcast business By the logic of Joe Biden, he's not black anymore. So you're off! You can't comment. We have to use this as a lens to look through to see when you don't toe the party line, you're no longer black so you're no longer useful

22:01 We got plenty of white men to do the talking. We don't need you, You're not special anymore." So I think that's why Tavis disappeared but you can hear how he clearly pointed out what Patrick was talking about was complete BS. Oh absolutely! so we went from the anti-establishment or non establishment left to the corporate Democrats over in MSNBC Now we get to go to Fox News and they get the chime in. What has Joe Biden done in the last 20 years? And the answer is crickets think about the 1994 crime bill that disproportionately targeted African American males, what did president Trump do he came back with a first step act and said We are going to have fairness and sentencing were going to help people who are coming out not return

22:56 That is a form of compassion that can be measured by the lives changed, by the families impacted. And so for Joe Biden to say to 1.3 million African Americans who voted for President Trump that they ain't black is arrogant, condescending and it frankly speaks to the families of the 1.3 million African-Americans as well I am just amazed that the last decade Democrats have had an entitlement mentality that they are entitled to the black vote And President Trump said...and he said it well there's nothing to lose by giving the Republican Party a second look

23:40 If you don't mind, Moe I just need a little inside baseball. When this went down what...I mean who was blowing up your phone? Was it just friends? Was is your family? Was is your mom? Was it's your wife? I'm just curious and what was the main-just what was that moment like? What was incoming? It was mostly people that listen to this show friends that we can talk about not voting or not supporting the Democrats. And no, those were two main people family, not really I didn't have too much family hit me but what i said was when I heard this I said thank the most high that he kept Joe Biden on that phone for that extra minute to where he could let that off because

24:33 That was it. This changed- It changes everything! You have nothing to lose moment of the 2020 election this is it, this right here is IT I mean you can't he'll never live it down this is gonna be going to be played back over and over and over again And its already being played back because Donald Trump has created a ad with it Mass incarceration has put hundreds of thousands behind bars for minor offenses Joe Biden wrote those laws. Every major crime bill that's come out of this Congress has had the name Joe Biden on that bill We do everything but hang people for jaywalking in this bill. Joe Biden's policies destroyed millions of black lives, Joe Biden may not remember but we do

25:28 Did you catch that? That was low. Very, he may not remember but we do man well... But like you said Trump is not bashful about it this is exactly what he does and And he's gonna beat him over the head with every step of the way Yeah I've gotten over the elder abuse feeling bad for him now I can't feel bad anymore this is just you know and I just look at as a reality show that it is That's true, but Tim Scott he said something in the previous clip before the Trump ad. Yeah They're targeting to hit 12% turnout for the Republicans Holy crap now that would destroy the Democrat vote That's the difference remember because we went from let's just go back a little bit 2012 The Democrats had 67 percent

26:28 then it dropped to 59% in 2016. And that was already on the edge of the danger zone? Right, that's losing if you get under 60 is pretty much a loss for the Democrats and with the Republicans trying to bump their turnout up from 8 percent to 12 percent...that's half of where you're trying to flip that negative vote into actually positive votes for Donald Trump. So they have a strategy here and this only helped the strategy because a lot of the people that set out, and I'm not going to say a lot but a portion of the people that set out and said i'm not gonna do anything in 2016 may be activated for the Republicans by this statement

27:16 It's important, I believe that we recognize how this is being justified by some white people i've spoken to who are going to vote for Joe Biden and at this point I think it's for a lot of people, it's the less of two evils for them and that is for all the programming they've received in their decisions. Joe Biden is lesser to evils and they justify by saying yeah he's really just old guy old ways and he's dick and douche but he's better than Trump. That's the level

28:01 Despair to me is when I hear that, that the Democrat voters are at. White ones. And where they're picking it up is from the black Democratic talking heads are coming out and saying well you know what Joe? I've read these tweets saying well you know Joe he just said what black people have been saying so black people have had this mentality of the ones that are pro-Democrat, I mean and they sold out to the Democrats of if you don't support the Democrats, you're not black. And that has been a real sentiment this whole time but when you start using logic and reason, you start comparing actual records or whether both old, they're both white, may both say things that may not land in right way... Yeah! ...and then you start getting legislation

28:59 Trump doesn't have the negative legislation baggage that Biden does, so that's a losing argument. So then it comes down to feeling like well he makes me feel bad What's really destructive though is as you just said is when you have black spokespeople on television Propagating this it's Joe. He's an old guy don't worry about it It's all good that's really destructive because that is given as a license To the white people to say, okay This is I mean you can just repeat that here's what they what he said? That's all good. That's destructive. That's what they get

29:45 Paid for and this one. This is what we talk about the biscuits butter biscuits. Uh, this is what we're talking about I'm just gonna go through some tweets that are screenshot it um DL Hughley you mad body said you ain't black? I'm mad Trump refused to hang the portrait of the first black president in the White House get get the F Get the f out of here. This is what he said And I'm moving on to a couple more tweets. Simone Sanders, vice president spent his career fighting alongside and for African American community he won the party's nomination by earning the vote of every vote and meeting people that have they are exactly what he intended to do this November right? I mean it was just Jake Johnson had one of the best ones which is just a thought

30:38 How about we listen to the entire Joe Biden interview with Charlamagne N'Gaal before we start roasting him? A white man telling a black... That's a good idea, Jeh Johnson. J-E-H, Jeh Johnson I'd love to go through the interview! No this is Jason Johnson Oh i'm sorry This one was saying that Adolf was bought. Ahhhh it's even better! This knucklehead Yeah he said a white man telling a black man who is or isn't black is inexcusable But then he goes on to excuse it by saying, but change and why Biden was triggered matters as well. So this is what we're getting is man is this is what we're getting from the talking heads and I have more clips on that, but I just want to read those couple of tweets, but let's take Jason Johnson's advice and we'll go, we're going to get into maybe a couple clips from the actual interview

31:35 And this is Biden talking about the crime bill. Other things increase mass incarceration. And the reason why, if you go back and look... I'm sorry! Okay, I'm gonna do what Joe's thinking. I'm gonna do it with Joe's thought bubble You know when you take a look at my record people talk about the crime bill Crime bill didn't increase mass incarceration Black people increased mass incarceration Other things increased mass incarceration Then the reason why if you go back and look and I know you talked about it you go back and take a look

32:13 That's why you had the vast majority of the black caucus at the time supporting a crime bill. Almost every major city black mayor supported the crime bill because blacks were getting killed overwhelmingly as well Why so much resistance on admitting the crime bill and other legislation You are part of was damaging to the black community because we had Hillary on a few years ago, and Miss Clinton said that the crime bill, we made a lot of mistakes with that and she wanted to atone for that by becoming the next president. She was wrong what happened was it wasn't the crime bill it was the drug legislation

32:50 It was the incident, their institution of mandatory minimums which I oppose mandatory. Man, I thought you'd create, I thought you were a part of that in 84 as well. The comprehensive crime control act that established mandatory and minimum sentences for drug offenses. Whoops. Charlemagne brought receipts. He was, but this whole crime bill, I think that's a weak argument compared to the uh, Sentencing difference. If you really want to take Joe Biden down, that's the thing you want to go after. Hint hint wink wink for anybody out there who wants to take him down That's the real

33:31 Yes, and crown jewel that you can go after him with. And in a nutshell what that means is there are different sentences for powder cocaine versus rock cocaine It's still cocaine but the elite powdery expensive form less jail time if any the rock cheap form he gets thrown away I came with details on how that was handled and what the impact was. But what I want to do is now, heard a tone that how he was talking. Yes. Now but on a juxtapose that to how Joe Biden talks to somebody who actually considers worth his time and that is AIPAC. I've been speaking at your conference for a long time

34:21 hearing the passionate views of American Jews and friends of Israel, right left and center. I've been going to Israel for a long time as well starting with my very first foreign trip as a senator United States Senator when i went to israel i met with Golda Meir and sat in the same side of the desk as an assistant of hers named Yitzhak Rabin I've worked with every Israeli leader since that date. And over that time, whether it's here with you in the United States or in Israel there are a few things that have not changed and will not change. I will always call out anti-Semitism whether comes from the left to the right of the center

35:02 I will always stand with and for a secure, democratic Jewish state of Israel. And I will always tell you what I believe whether I agree or disagree and I will never boycott you American Jews will always have a seat at my table Because you've always had me at your table and because you know as well as anyone that we're in the battle for the soul of this nation I'm glad you picked this particular example because I know that this also Triggers thinking for many and it goes as follows. Oh Here's the black man, and he's not liking this That's happening with the Jews

35:44 Which is a myth. I don't know it's probably a topic for a whole different show that is a coming topic But reason why I picked this is listen to how he talks to them Oh Totally, and it's like totally never Turn my back always you know and he lays out those tangibles quite clear You know what? He'll do from and he didn't make a distinction between Left center right he also didn't say I'm gonna do a study about this I'm gonna do it save imagine now magic. He said if you don't vote for me if you can't tell the difference between Jewish That that would have been phenomenal We should actually do a version of that which we should do a version in like, you know I don't know every single one you can think of and

36:41 He definitely wouldn't do it for the island Pacific, Asian and Islanders. None of those! But when he comes to talk to us... Well, he sounds like a slave man so let's just be 100 with it Let's just keep it 100. Do we have an example of a slave master to compare next Joe? I don't have an actual slave master but i have an heir of a slave master and this is from 1968 the heritage of slavery by Fannie Lou Hamer, Leron Bennett jr which he was a star of our last show on Abraham Lincoln

37:30 This is Massa Speaks. On the plantation outside Charleston, where his family has lived for eight generations since 1672 Norwood Hastie was asked if he thinks slavery was immoral No no I don't because it because when a slave came from Africa he couldn't speak the language He was totally untrained to do any job at all that would fit in with civilization someone had to take care of him. Someone had to take care of him 24 hours a day, and it's pretty hard to do that unless you owned the person so I think slavery just had to be in those early days

38:14 What exactly is this? Is this some kind of a documentary, what was this? It's called the Heritage of Slavery and he's actually an heir. The man speaking being interviewed is actually an heir to a South Carolina plantation And that's from 1968 when it was recorded you said? Yes yes So now we have to look at these through the thought of the Democratic Party being a plantation, which is been called that by many people. It's called it you know when that's the thing like when people stop voting Democrats like all you left to democratic plantations right? Right, right. That's the talking points but I want you to just listen to this the logic of this air or of us have a are a the

39:07 inheritance inheritor of a plantation and actually this is the slave mindset I mean it's like mastermind said so let's get in the massive speaks to Is it possible that white people have something to do with the lack of ability for blacks to assimilate into this culture? Absolutely. The white man has certainly been prejudiced and to quite an extent unfair. But customs die awful hard, it takes a long time and everyone knew years ago that the Negro would have to be given equality but in the South knowing Negros as we think we do, we realize it would take time as been compared to

39:57 to straightening teeth. It takes a slow, steady pressure you can't do it with a hammer and white people's attitudes will change in time. I'm a lot more liberal than I was five years ago, and I know I'll be a lot more liberal five years from now, and I think almost everyone else is in that category." Wow! He's the missing link there it is he's the guy. He's the liberal you know I'm a lot more liberal than I was you know? And I'll be more liberal than I was five years from now but If you listen to what he says, he says like the old habits die hard is basically what he's saying. And that kind of glints to what you were saying about how white Democrats are trying to justify Joe Biden old habits die hard

40:48 You know he's an old white guy. Hold on seriously though, seriously for a second Joe Biden is...is he 70? Let's see 77-77 so yeah he's 22 years older than I am this was recorded when i was four So he was, seriously he was 26. He was a man past his formative years A lot of his ways were set in stone at this time just for frame of reference you know? Yeah and that's why I'm playing these clips to let you know how people can say they're liberal but their mindset is well more liberal than I was! That's the hell of standard to have No kidding

41:39 But let's get into the final clip, Master Speaks 3. What has tended to make you more liberal? Well realization that the Negro is a human being like anyone else Mr. Hastie what did you think we were before you began to think of us as human beings well in a way We thought of you almost as a very superior pet Something or rather someone We had to take care of because we had to do so much at their thinking for them. We had to do almost everything For them that Except living there on own lives anything outside, we had to do father All that back in of thinking for you if you can't do the thinking oh

42:38 Or you can't think enough to see the difference between me and Donald Trump, you're not black. I feel ya! This is-I'm telling you how this landed is... I was like straight up no uh a slave master talking to these people Uh it's-it's-i found it very disgusting but I was happy that it was said One of these weird things is like when somebody finally tells you the truth, you've been wanting to hear it but then when you finally hear it kind of makes you sick. But then you're like phew I'm glad they acknowledged me. Yeah It would be like if Trump came out and said guess what we never landed on the moon

43:22 Be like, yes! I was right. I knew it but holy crap really? Really?! Oh my god how disappointing except then different but yeah It's a pleasant surprise because its hopefully going to change open peoples eyes towards what is really happening and by the way What we're seeing today in the internet era of Every move you make, certainly if you're a public person or politician every strand of hair is overanalyzed. It's shot from 15 directions, it's memefied and put on YouTube and made into parody

44:05 Turns out we can see everybody's flaws and they get amplified in today's social media. And guess what? Everybody's flawed that would be the ultimate realization if we get to it, then everyone will say wait a minute Everybody's messed up! That would be great but for right now baby steps That's true. But what this points out more than anything is the hypocrisy of people that participate in council culture They're not willing to cancel somebody if anybody else would have said this because they haven't realized yet that everybody's flawed Yes, it's only the people they dislike yeah exactly where we got to get there but we're not there yet

44:47 Even if Joe Biden would have said this in the primaries, he would've been canceled. They were like oh we have other options right? I mean we can go this way or that way but now that it's baked in and he's the guy they're like well we gotta salvage him. We got to live with it yeah. So we're going to get into now that was just the coverage of how it landed, how people received it. That kind of thing. Now I want to get into talking about this crime bill and other crime legislation that Joe Biden has participated in since actually 1976 but this clip is from 1993 We must take back the streets

45:29 It doesn't matter whether or not the person that is accosting your son or daughter, my wife and husband my mother, your parents. It doesn't matter whether or not they were deprived as a youth it doesn't matter whether or not they had no background that enabled them to become socialized into the fabric of society it doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society The end result is their about to knock my mother on her head with a lead pipe shoot my sister beat up my wife take on my sons

46:09 So I don't want to ask what made them do this. They must be taken off the street. Wow, different times back then. So what people gotta understand is Joe Biden has really been talking like this since 1976 and I had audio from um, the Jefferson Jackson dinner in Boise Idaho in 1976 And some of the quotes from that is why should we liberals, why should we Democrats apologize for saying a criminal justice system has implicit and it's idea that a crime should be met with a punishment.

46:53 What is wrong with that? I don't know. I don't have any idea He said if you commit a crime, you should be accountable for it And and you don't have to be some racist so-called redneck say that that's 1976 and then fast forward This is 1993 now when actually did what he say ring a bell which you are sound familiar to uni any kind of way um It's not fair because I know what's coming next. Well, at the very end there it was basically it was the super predators we got to make them heal gotta bring them together bring him to heal exactly and for people who are not familiar with that let's play in comparison of what he said in 93 The fourth challenge is to take back our streets from crime gangs and drugs

47:52 And we have actually been making progress on this count as a nation because of what local law enforcement officials are doing, because of what citizens and neighborhood patrols are doing, we're making some progress. Much of it is related to the initiative called community policing because we have finally gotten more police officers on the street that was one of the goals that the president had when he pushed a crime bill that was passed in 1994 He promised 100 thousand police were moving in that direction but we can see already makes a difference because if we have more police interacting with people, having them on the streets we can prevent crimes. We can prevent petty crimes from turning into something worse but we also have to have an organized effort against gangs just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on they are often connected to big drug cartels they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often

48:50 the kinds of kids that are called super predators no conscience, no empathy we can talk about why they ended up that way but first we have to bring them to heel and the president has asked the FBI to launch a very concerted effort against gangs everywhere. Man said the leader one of the world's largest crime syndicates Oh true. And all of these talking points really came out of the Rockefeller laws, Democrats- let me just give people a little history. Democrats used to be for rehabilitation and in the 1970s they did this pivot because the Republicans were you know

49:35 outflanking them of being tough on crime to where it doesn't matter about rehabilitation anymore. And Biden even said that at the dinner, the Jefferson Dinner also he says liberal we liberals stand up and we say what we need to do is rehabilitate and yet we go to any university in United States of America and we find among the academics recognition of the fact that we do not know how to rehabilitate. That's when the pivot started and they were like, we're gonna out crime or out criminal justice the Republicans and it goes show you they would do anything to win election it's not about what's best for their law voters. And guess who they used for it? Surprise surprise!

50:25 So, this came up in the 2020 primary, a Democrat primary and actually Kamala Harris had called on this. So Atlanta 11 Alive that's the local news did some fact checking of Joe Biden First up, Joe Biden. Since 2007 I for example tried to get the crack powdered cocaine totally disparity totally eliminated this claim is true but misleading Biden's talking here about a disparity in the law where crack cocaine users get much higher jail times and legal punishment than people using powdered cocaine legally five grams of crack cocaine was equal to 500 grams of powdered cocaine now in 2007 Biden did call to reduce the penalties on crack cocaine offenders but that leaves out

51:14 the fact that he also helped design the higher punishments in the first place. Biden championed a 1986 law, The Anti-Drug Abuse Act that set those mandatory minimums in the first place so yeah he called for its removal but that was a change of position for him And it's worth pointing out that one of his sons was unceremoniously ejected from the Navy for cocaine abuse, among other things. Oh we're getting Hunter! Oh we're gonna get Mr. Hunter but I want to also point out that he lied flat-out lied to Charlemagne because he said I wasn't for the mandatory minimums you know? He didn't remember What? That's a lovely position to be in.

51:59 Well, I found this paper written by Michael Coyle. It was called Race and Class Penalties in the Crack Cocaine Sentencing. And this is from the section Drug Quantities and Crack Cocaine Penalties. Race and Class Penalties in Crack Cocaine Sentencing by Michael Coyle. Drug quantities and crack cocaine penalties The federal sentencing laws Congress passed in 1986 and 1988 were designed in part with the purpose of hindering the crack cocaine drug trade. The intent of Congress was to impose a minimum 10-year prison sentence on a major trafficker, for example, a manufacturer or head of an organization distributing large drug quantities, and a minimum 5 year sentence on a serious trafficker, for example, a manager of a substantial drug trade business.

52:50 As such, the laws were constructed to respond to the quantity of drugs involved in the offense. However, the weight numbers attached to sentences via the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 failed to capture the different roles associated with the crack trade. As research from the Commission has shown, the 5 grams of crack set by Congress as a trigger for a five year mandatory sentence is not a quantity associated with mid level much less serious traffickers I was always surprised that it was presented as that being the problem because they came up so many times and it looked like, it was years before they finally adjust. I think it was Obama, I do think it happened under him, but then finally got readjusted but it wasn't a...that's a lie! It was obvious what this was about

53:39 It was about getting street-level drug offenders locked up. And I have a chart here of the cheap stuff, man! They gotta be buying our high level, man not the rock get out of here. The source of this table or chart is the US Sentencing Commission from 2000 and it says 66% of arrests were street-level drug dealers. When you get to the importers, it was 0.5%. Organized leaders and those kind of people like the kingpins and those things is less than 6% So when you listen to her Hillary super predator clip It was not designed To take down

54:31 high-level offenders. No, of course not! Or her colleagues... Exactly it was designed for very different levels exactly not for the boatloads just to fit in your pocket. And I'd also like to thank Dame Jennifer for doing the reading on this paper here So let's just get into the second part of this drug quantities and crack cocaine penalties. The median crack cocaine street level dealer, comprising two thirds of federal crack defendants charged in federal court was arrested holding 52 grams of the substance enough to trigger a 10 year mandatory sentence for powder cocaine. The median street level dealer is charged with holding 340 grams of drugs not enough even to trigger the five year sentence

55:20 The results of these erroneous calculations have been dual. First, they've resulted in extremely severe prison terms for low-level crack offenders who form two out of every three crack offenders. Second with mandatory minimum sentences focusing solely on quantities offenders with different levels of culpability are often lumped together As the commission's May 2002 report to Congress stipulates, contrary to the intent of Congress, the five and 10-year minimum penalties most often apply to low level crack cocaine traffickers rather than to serious or major traffickers. Exactly. Exactly. That's Dame Jennifer? Yes. She could read The Phone Book and I'd be pretty pleased

56:07 Man, she's killer. She does good They had another table in this paper showing the cocaine sentences for less than 25 grams And it shows the average sentence in months and the source of this table is the United States Department of Justice 2002 The average sentence for powder cocaine 14 months The average sentence for crack cocaine, 65 months. And that's under 25 grams? Yes! Under 20...under? Less than 25 grams yes.

56:48 So if you had 25 grams on you, you got an average of 65 months and like five and a half month I'm at five-and-a-half years. Excuse me And I don't know if you're gonna include this but what cannot be ignored is the commercial prison system That was being assembled at the very same time And that may be it for a different show we've touched on it many times There's a whole different can of worms if I open that we would have a 10 hour show As as you brought up Obama and Biden tried to redeem themselves by closing the powder cocaine sentencing gap. President Obama signed a new law at the White House today that will close the long disputed gap in federal sentencing for crap versus powder cocaine since 1986 defendants caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine have gotten the same punishment five years in prison as defendants convicted of possessing only 5 grams

57:45 crack cocaine. That's a sentencing ratio of 100 to 1 the new law reduces that dramatic disparity cutting the ratio to about 18 to one and for the first time in 40 years Congress is rolling back a mandatory minimum sentence already on the books, The Law One rare bipartisan support What? It was only... they reduced it to 18-1?! What?? That's your black president. Thank you, Obama! Oh my goodness. Thanks, Obama How does that fly? Shut up man what's your problem? It's happy yeah we're good yeah thanks Obama

58:30 18 to 1 and they want to hang their hat on that, and this was bipartisan. So I mean you're not doing anything that the Republicans are not doing? They went out for drinks after the vote Moe telling ya! Why is there a gap why wasn't the gap actually flipped and say powder cocaine is 100 times to crack It doesn't make any sense and the CBC signed off on this in 94. They went begging, did they not have a brain? Did they not have a brain to say yeah we're gonna charge crack dealers at 100 times their rate or the amount of weight they have 100 times the rate as a cocaine dealer. Hello! It comes from, it is cocaine, is cookless crack

59:21 It irks me every time. 18 and it's still on the books! This is still on the books! Now was there any reason given for it that just didn't become a one-to-one? I mean, I have to look at this now as annoying I'm sure there's some excuse. I want to know what it is, what's the excuse? Was it random or did they negotiate? Barack went in and said come on man give me one-to-one like no no no we like the 65 Give me five nine then he wound up at 18 What happened how would that impact your prison sales Would that leave vacancies? Oh man

1:00:02 We are gonna have to do that show, Mo. We definitely gotta do it but I mean... So Joe Biden felt guilty about the 100- I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead! No you nailed it that was probably the number they probably had this spreadsheet and went okay look we can cut in the prison admission system But here's what we need, the minimum amount. Here is the minimum amount of years we got." What can we do? Well let me work on this spreadsheet. Well I can bring it down to about 18 and then well... We won't get our bonuses but will still have a pretty good pipeline into the prisons That is probably exactly how in a nutshell was determined

1:00:44 And I'm going to take a little detour here on something that I didn't clip, but it was discussed. And this is the decriminalization of marijuana versus the legalization of marijuana and I think this argument has the same discussion going on with it because marijuana is the gateway drug but not in the way you think of it. It's the gateway drug that allow police to harass people because they can say, hey I spare a marijuana let me search your car where if you make it legal they can't legally search your car which a lot of arrests actually are triggered by the sniffing or smelling up yes yeah you know even if I digress on that one if a police dog acts as if it is identified

1:01:36 drugs in your vehicle by sniffing that is right there reasonable suspicion probable cause yeah because it's a police officer, it's a law enforcement officer. And it doesn't even have to be... They don't actually have to smell it. All they have to say is, I- Bark? They just bark? No talking about the cops themselves! So was I what are you talking about?! Just kidding! Lots of friends who were cops What imma say like this is they need to point out the dirty ones because they make everybody else bad It's his shit yeah it's a crappy trick it's absolutely right

1:02:17 I smell weed and you're saying then there we go, but that's why the decriminalization in legalization. I think that's why that argument being had... What a great point! It happened when I went to college for three months in West Virginia and I got a knock on my door someone wanted to come in and this guy is like a part-time cop or something weird dude whatever his problem was and he said I smell marijuana need to come into well you go get a warrant And he said, I can get that. He didn't but it was scary like oh wait a minute because he can totally do that and one of the high profile stories going on now hinges on that but we're not gonna talk about that right now We're gonna visit Joe Biden visiting Al Sharpton at The National Action Network apologizing for his big mistake I haven't always been right I know we haven't always gotten things right But i've always tried Rev It was your help back in 2010

1:03:14 that Barack and I finally reduced the disparity in sentencing, which we've been fighting to eliminate. And crack cocaine versus powder cocaine was a big mistake when it was made we thought were told by the experts that crack you never go back he was somehow fundamentally there's not different But it's trapped an entire generation. Oh man! Science, that science What a liar though what a liar I mean didn't know 1 to 18 he didn't add that and it took two years for him to get that through because that happened in 2010 well... Now to be fair neither the president or the vice president make or change laws

1:03:59 That still had to go through the process. Did he have his pen in his phone? Well, yeah He did he did have his pen in his phone It was it was gonna happen no matter what he could've made a wonder one Yeah I hear you And and he had the legislation makeup Yeah anything passed He had the House and Senate You're absolutely right Right Yep So why'd you wait till 2010 to address this and need bipartisan support. You want the answer? I'm just saying you want the answer not well we already... please that's all right we'll get to that another time yeah but um

1:04:38 Well, you brought up Hunter Biden and since we're talking about crack pipes and crack. We might as well get into a Hunter Biden ousted from the Navy. Vice President Joe Biden's son is out of the Navy sources tell AP that Hunter Biden was discharged earlier this year after testing positive for cocaine The 44-year old spent barely a year as a part time public affairs officer in the Navy Reserve In a statement released by his attorney Biden said he respected the Navy's decision The youngest Biden son said, I deeply regret and am embarrassed that my actions led to my administrative discharge. The vice president's office had no comment. The Navy has not given a reason for Biden's discharge and the terms of his separation from the military are unclear. Members of the military discharged for failing drug tests typically don't receive an honorable discharge. Matt Friedman Associated Press. Discharge. Yeah.

1:05:36 This is what we talk about when we say white privilege. And it's not about skin color, what I mean by that is he gets caught smoking crack kicked out of the Navy but gets an honorable discharge and then we have this page six story where um... He begins to date his brother's widow after spending the week buying crack from a homeless encampment in LA They found, let me see. Let me read the story here just so I get it straight. It said Hunter took a rental car to Arizona where Hertz workers called the cops after finding a crack pipe and a baggie containing white powdery substance along with a Secret Service business card, Hunter's driver license and a badge from the Bureau's time as Delaware Attorney General aside

1:06:29 But then they couldn't charge him with anything because they didn't have enough evidence that crack pipe was his. How do you like that? What in the Jerry Springer is going on with Biden? Sounds to me like a perfect candidate for hedge fund, about $1.5 billion from China and maybe a board seat on some company in Ukraine's country I think that's the kind of material, that's what kinda quality man he is It's a may, like I said audible discharge not caught with a crack pipe wasn't arrested because they couldn't prove it was his crack bite. I wish we had that kind of leniency going on but Sam Seder he's a popular

1:07:15 political pundit. He's sometimes a frequent guest on MSNBC, he was on Chris Hayes and he caught an interesting point that wasn't highlighted as much by Joe Biden in the Breakfast Club interview Take a look at my record, man. I extended the voting rights 25 years. I have a record that is second to none. The NAACP has endorsed me every time I've run the war. I mean come on take a look at the record. You know what? I was also struck by Charlemagne's follow up which is I want something material bring back to my community and Joe Biden had no answer for that

1:07:54 I mean, he said that you know i've authorized the Voting Rights Act. Well let's be honest every single senator in 2006 or 7 except for maybe 4 and so including the vast majority of republicans also reauthorized the voting rights act That should not a terribly...that shouldn't be a baseline nevermind for democratic senators any senators for that matter and so the fact that he couldn't respond with Well, I'm glad you know. You know you want stuff for your community and here's some of the ideas that I have to bring you some material benefits. So I mean, I agree with Zerlina. I think we should have a vice president woman of color but I would also like to see that Vice President woman of color offer and bring to the ticket some plans in some proactive measures

1:08:39 to bring material benefit to people. I think that's hugely important." You know, I caught that too when when i saw the interview and what I immediately thought was... What a missed opportunity! I think Joe Biden could have actually sealed up a lot of the vote by at that moment saying, ''I hear you Charlemagne, do you want something tangible?'' I mean if he didn't even have to follow it up at that point, he could've said come back to that. If you'd used that one word what do you think? But he was indignant! He could've spinned into a really nice answer but he was like I spent 18 minutes

1:09:23 talking to you. Don't you know what I've done for you? I already have your vote! Right, I already have your vote You were saying like well i don't know why I even had to come talk to you in the first place. Come on man it's a cherry on top of what I already gave you yeah and then the people are telling me it's a wrap and you're saying I'm telling my wife Jill gotta use them use the phone man come on man it's like he just flies off the handle My wife's gotta use the phone. He did, it was kind of like that She needs to be on she's on The View Yeah he got pissed and he was like I mean that's when his true colors really came out It was like Wow okay so you can also look at the whole interview and His response which i think is a very valid way of interpreting it

1:10:15 as how annoying, and I'm Joe. How annoying is this shit? I already got this vote now what have to go and suck up to this guy okay how much do i have to do 10 minutes well you know he really wanted an hour I'll give him 15 and then it goes on a little longer because that's what it was 8 then he goes 18 minutes in there and there you go yeah It's very possible that that's exactly what he was thinking and feeling like. How annoying, and I got my wife she needs the phone! I'm gonna squeeze this in baby it's just a black vote we got that one don't worry about it so we have Tremaine Lee um he's on MSNBC and I want to- We're going to get into this segment now of

1:11:06 Up until this point, I used the mainstream media. Not that many black talking heads because i wanted to get rational pushback against Joe Biden even if you agree with his politics you know you can fairly point out say where he was wrong there he was wrong here but The people, the Democrat- the Black Democrat establishment political party pundits all those they are the worst and I mean the worst. They disgust me um but they do this trick they'll come out talking strong like oh yeah you know Joe Biden blahblahblah and then as they go on they do this weird switcheroo

1:11:52 to where they start supporting him and we heard that with uh with the Soros guy yeah he came out strong and then he was like yeah I mean, you know Joe Biden's thoughtfulness. You know it'll show through in the rest of election um We're gonna hear this over and over again starting with Tremaine Lee as he speaks on Joe Biden's comments. Joining us now is MSNBC correspondent, Tremaine Lee. So now the vice president is being accused of treating the black vote as if it is a monolith Tremaine. You ain't black. Um, the level of hubris it takes for a white man and old white man or any white person to even ingest, uh, you know, say that he can determine who was black and who isn't is clearly outlandish.

1:12:40 But even in jest, these are kind of the kind of comments that could be problematic. But he clearly knows his audience on there with Charlamagne than God playing it really loose and fast with The Breakfast Club. But this week on Into America, my podcast, we actually talk to black voters about Biden's prospects. And one thing is for sure, it's going take a lot more than some off-the-cuff kind of insensitive remark to knock some of their support if Terry allegations aren't necessarily going to knock his position for black voters, it will take more than this. Wow! Some more butter for that biscuit please. And so you start- Joe Biden you ain't black, you know? He came in strong and it's like oh yeah hey and then all well you know it's gonna take more than that you know

1:13:27 he's harassed a woman, allegedly assaulted a woman. If that doesn't do it you know him saying somebody is not black definitely knocking the moves and need to whip the black vote." You know he is a Pulitzer Prize winner though Moe. Man that's disgusting! He was in 2006 he was named Emerging Journalist of The Year by The National Association Of Black Journalists. Emerging journalist Hold on, before we go any further. For the non-No Agenda listeners can you tell them who supports the National Association of Black Journalists? You brought that up on the No Agenda show. Yes well uh that is

1:14:19 Van Jones was going to speak at a webinar, I believe since we're in the coronavirus lockdown for the National Association of Black Journalists. It was canceled and then after the fact he kind of disinvited himself because he found out that the whole conference was sponsored by Huawei the premier Chinese telecoms manufacturer in particular of 5G equipment who have been kicked out of the United States, the United Kingdom and many other countries around the world for their alleged spying tactics in the networks. But basically the Chinese Communist Party was sponsoring The National Association Of Black Journalists

1:15:02 And we also seen some Chinese faction sponsoring the former members of Black Lives Matter. Well, we've done that homework as well. They also own the NBA while were at it Right! But I'm saying all this to say and its going to lead me into this next clip We've heard black journalists and talking heads come out, and they were one of the big pushers of no you can't call it the Wuhan virus or the Kung flu. You know they would really but now do understand why? Who they're being supported by

1:15:39 Exactly. And including one of those people that did that was Miss Karen Hunter, well we have Miss Karen Hunter she's gonna chime in on Joe Biden's gaffe or joke or whatever you want to call it uh You Ain't Black. Joe Biden talking about Uh You Ain't Black first of all you're looking for our vote here's the power position sir You're the person who needs something from us not the other way around and don't get it twisted because you will lose I'm telling you this right now that because I want you to cuz I'm voting for you, but you will lose if you feel like They're not gonna vote for Trump. So they don't have a choice No We have a choice the choice showed up in 2016 and we got

1:16:26 Donald Trump, because 100 million people sat home and they weren't wrong for sitting home because there was nothing on the table for people to show up for. But now look where we are! We're in the midst of a pandemic and we see what that looks like so yeah most of us are probably gonna vote you anyway. She does it every time! Alright here's my Karen Hunter impression... Joe Biden!! You know I- What do you think? You're gonna lose?! You're gonna lose?? You fool!? You lose??? I'm Karen T now all of sudden But I'm gonna vote for you. I've gotten into the habit of listening to her on Sirius, what is it? 126 I think yeah and he adds when i go out and do grocery shopping I listen to The Karen Hunter Show It's very entertaining She starts off talking about position of power that's a consumer

1:17:15 Your option of not buying the product is your position to power. Thank you! If you don't provide me with the service or need, or the product that I want...I can walk. I can go if Pepsi isn't strong enough or sweet enough then I'll get a bottle of Coke and if neither one fits my fancy then I'll get a bottle of water But not her. Coke, I want you to make it sweeter but if you don't make it sweeter I'm still gonna buy anyway but you know... The ultimate brand loyalty right there! And this is supposed to be our thought leaders and I wanna say something also these people are getting killed in the YouTube comments and likes so much so

1:18:04 That the breakfast club actually had to stop their thumbs down and thumbs up counting It froze cuz I was going back checking it every day And if anybody knows about YouTube you have more views Than likes dislikes, and then you have more dislikes in life than comments. Well at one point the comments surpassed The likes and dislikes would never happens on YouTube is just engage the rule engagement people are doing more likely to do a thumbs up thumbs down Than to write it comments. Everybody had the way I guess huh right everybody so they were and I saw hardly any positive comments now of course there were bots and trolls And things that nature in the comments, I'm sure but

1:18:52 It was 2 to 1 negative to positive. Karen Hunter, she was getting killed in her comment on the first video so then she had to come back with this next video I'm going to play clips from explaining to you why we must vote. A lot of people...you know i went hard and a pain on Joe Biden but it really wasn't about Joe Biden. Did I do something wrong? No, I said she went hard. That's her going hard and i'm gonna vote for you regardless but that's her going hard. Oh! I gotcha yes a lot of people you know I went hard in the paint on Joe Biden but it really wasn't about Joe Biden I was talking more abou

1:19:30 how we should be treated or how we should demand, we're treated and I don't care who it is. If you need something from me, you need to come to me as if you need something from me not as if you're doing me a favor. You're not gonna be patronizing, you are not gonna pat me on the head and this isn't instructive this is beyond Joe Biden or anyone else. These are rules of engagement which I talk quite often on these airways now I don't care who's in the White House, We should have a string of demands And then we should also determine how you're going to come to us with respect. But, you said something powerful because I said I'm voting for Joe Biden no matter what but iIm not gonna just be quiet. Thank You! I'm not just gonna be quiet because I mature enough to understand that the two things can happen at the same time. I can tell you how are you gonna treat me

1:20:22 and at the same time tell you that if you want something from me, this is what's going to happen. And this is how much time you have to get it done. But this is important because 2020, people are like oh there's a third option! There's only two choices. There's a third option just vote down ballot. So this is what I always find interesting about Karen Hunter and people who come up with this line of talking It's always the same and do the listeners never catch on and say like, hey wait a minute you're actually just disempowering us every single time? Like she's sitting there. You got to do this! You gotta do that well if you don't...you know The only thing you can threaten with is your vote what else is there to threaten with are you gonna say something nasty about Joe on your show And she walked back what she said about wow we're really talking about Joe I was no just saying in general

1:21:16 This is that broken mindset that came from the civil rights movement. And I know a lot of people are probably gonna kill me for this, but I don't give a rat's ass at this point! Um... You can spit on me but i'm going to buy your coffee and pie? Yeah What?! Is your ice really that much colder? Is your coffee really that much hotter or your pie really that much sweeter than I am going to endure abuse to give you my hard-earned money or I'm gonna take your abuse to give you my hard earned vote and she played a trick at the very end because they hear our talking points. They hear us but i don't want you play maybe the last 15 seconds in one minute

1:22:05 She does this thing about the third option. Listen what she lays out as a third option when we say third option We mean not voting but listen what she said the third option is treat me and at the same time Tell you that if you want something from me, this is what's gonna happen And this is how much time you have to get it done But this is important because 2020, you just said people are like all there's a third option. There's only two choices as a third option. Just vote down ballot. Yeah no the third option is not to vote not vote down ballot that's very different than the third option I've heard of That's the sleight-of-hand trick so now she saying now she using ADOS the political party uh political groups talking point

1:22:49 of down ballot, which we pointed out on this show. Nobody votes down ballot everybody goes in or most the majority of people go in and do straight ticket is red team blue team and nobody's sitting there checking out all the judges and dog catcher and whatever else is on the ballot no that's not how voting works in America it should be maybe we want to get rid of a straight ticket and make people actually vote but no But this is what they do. They hear our talking points and we're going to hear examples of this later, of them taking the talking point of free thinking individuals that won't participate if we don't get anything tangible and then they take out talking points and pervert them like she just did there. Well, to give you some perspective Mr Carr, Dr Carr I want to be disrespectful

1:23:44 Um, he's a history professor at the university of Howard. Pretty pretty got bright guy but me and him had words before. Yes we know this is the topic what made call in when we had words that the radio at the radio station his pick for who the greatest president is that's what would trigger me to call in but he's going to lay out his logic for the greatest president all time here in this next clip Now people talk about who was the greatest American president, and I don't get in those debates because as a black person. We have very few options. You know what I'm saying? Very few options right? And so but however if we look at the 20th century you know arguably Franklin Delano Roosevelt even though the racial implications of The New Deal um iIm thinking now of books like Fear Itself

1:24:31 books that talk about how the GI Bill was used to exclude black people from being able to get mortgages in these white developments like Levittown. I mean, there was a racial dimension to the New Deal but what we can't deny is that through those policies of the New Deal you do see the floor put under what becomes the middle class in this country. So you could argue that Roosevelt could be the person, um, the guy who wrote, uh, who wrote fear itself also would have book called when affirmative action was white and he talks about the fact that these new deal policies basically were affirmative action for poor whites. It elevated them out of the war into the middle-class.

1:25:12 Wait, huh? Yeah. That was a Mo Fax with Adam Curry episodes 2 through 8 I believe you pulled that apart. Yeah. Oh, hold on FDR could be the greatest president of all time but be a racist there you go. That's his logic. Yep Go Joe then I guess So that goal to show you is not about being a racist, it's about red or blue. Those are the colors that matter not black and white is red and blue because when somebody uses the same exact logic for Donald Trump saying well you know Donald Trump has been good for the economy and whatever else even say you take it at face value he's a racist right?

1:25:54 If they use argument, well he is a racist but you know my former K's looking good and he brought jobs back to America and no He ain't you know these are talking points that you hear this guy will fly through the roof some where you go. You he's a racist He makes me feel bad It just your channeling George Jefferson by the way But but but heat what he lays out how FDR? whole new deal was racist but then say he's the greatest president ever. That's right I know these people are nuts! It's baffling, it's baffling Moe Well we're at the point of the show now where Charlamagne has to come out and address what has happened on The Breakfast Club so his first interview was on Friday night on CNN and he discusses Biden's apology. So that's what you're saying but

1:26:47 But you're saying he still hasn't shown you why you would vote for him specifically. Yeah, I mean it's just that simple like he has a black agenda called the Lift Every Voice plan and there are some cool things in there but i still think that it could be much stronger He is already committed to having a black woman on the Supreme Court and I think that woman running mate is necessary, especially after the day. And like the statement he made was interesting because that's something I hear from other black people it was very interesting to see that a old white man also looks at black people in that way and like that question what makes somebody black? That's a discussion for black people to have you know and a white man is certainly not qualified to have that discussion but people do connect

1:27:32 Wow. Yes, I understand the statement. That goes that leans to what you were talking about of white Democrats. Yes that's exactly it but not you know they'll even dance around it more than this this was very direct

1:28:11 Not holding Joe Biden accountable or responsible for his words. He's like, yeah I understand where he's coming from because you know those people that voted for Donald Trump you know they really ain't black. That's basically what he is saying. What is the response towards Charlemagne? Are people responding to this are they saying hey yo this isn't your off base here well He was thought he was getting lit up on Twitter Friday night and Saturday morning. So then he had to go see Joy, oh yeah I got the emergency call Adam you gotta you got a DVR DVR joy read like my DVR rejects her somehow but I'll try This is why I had to push the show back

1:29:00 After Sunday because I knew what the play was gonna be get Charlemagne on Morning Joe. I mean not morning Joe, excuse me joy ream joy Because that's the black sunny morning news show right and I knew he was gonna do his round there So I was like You know And then you do a show on Sunday side of like it has gonna have to be after Sunday Because I knew he was going to have to make this stop right but Seeming that he came so weak on the CNN and was kind of like justifying Joe's statement He kinda had they can't play. He can't play that on MSNBC with Joy Reid, right? It was like a test run it was like let's let's try this on you know, CNN Friday night Nobody's really watching

1:29:46 And we'll see how it goes over and then we refine our talking points for the big show on a Sunday morning So sad to think joy read is the big show, but yeah Okay. Well, it's the it is this well what's them? What's the morning show that comes on? every Sunday morning for Has Todd yes meet the press right she's like She's basically like the black meat depressed especially where there's been Okay, it's no I'm serious. Uh, I mean that that's kind of like I just find her so unimpressive That's that's the reason why I liked okay, so it's Chuck Todd. So its own brand Point taken

1:30:31 So let's hear Charlamagne repackaged take on Joe Biden. Your listeners, I'm sure give you lots and lots of feedback about what it is that they want from this man? What are people telling you that they want him to do? Just some really major policy commitments for the black community, mainly in the form of economic justice so we can tip the scales on some of this wealth inequality in America. I do hear a lot of people say you know we also want him to have a black woman running mate but not just any black woman running mate one that's going actually get an office and care that black people benefit from her presence there. We need substance and significance over symbolism and he is already committed to putting a black woman on the Supreme Court

1:31:16 want him and the Democratic Party to know that it's time to give back to the black community in a very tangible way. But I can say that, you know, the major point that I'm hearing about is just economic justice some form of economic justice. All right let me unpack this from my perspective so he's okay first all we know Charlemagne is all-in on Kamala so this is a push for economic justice. I think he's signaling that Kamala Harris should be the VP somehow he's saying, oh okay a tangible would be a black vice president. A black female vice president will be a tangible didn't we go through the whole black president thing and it didn't really benefit everybody that much? I mean you walked me right into it because I was gonna go right there

1:32:09 How is it that we had a black president and we could only get an 18 to 1 on the crack-to-cocaine ratio, but you think of black female vice president it's gonna do what? Exactly. That's a tangible no. How was that a tangible? And this economic... What was the word they use? Economic justice. Justice! That's code word for reparations. That's what that is But he can't say that. Not yet Wow and I was too focused on the Camelot part to realize that economic justice is code for reparations, I like it though It's a good way to package it but you gotta put some meat behind it Right! It's safe

1:33:00 I'm like, just say it. We're at this point now... Stop tiptoeing around the subject and say it! If you don't say it then you know, you don't acknowledge me so I won't acknowledge you kind of thing. But does Charlemagne- I don't think Charlemagne that's not his thing he is not going to say reparations Well, he might. Let's listen to the second clip and find out. The interview was cut short you could hear the audio of one of the campaign staffers saying well we have to end now that the former vice president has to do another interview You said you had more questions what else did you want to ask him? I'm gonna let you get your questions out now Oh that's good actually i have a couple right here

1:33:40 I wanted to ask him about reparations because you know in his Black Agenda to Lift Every Voice he committed to studying reparations and, you know, i just wanted to ask him what does reparations for black people look like to him and what is he prepared to do Yeah, okay. I think that's bullcrap. I think it's...I think he's lying He knew he had to repackage. He had 15 minutes. He got three extra minutes Come on man! My wife's gotta use the phone! He had fifteen minutes and he didn't put reparations until the very very Oh! I was gonna do it in the 20th minute That should have been the last question you asked if

1:34:17 like he'd be rushing off the phone then you're like, hey you know what well fine. What do you think about reparations? Yeah before you go. He wasn't gonna ask. Before you go. Yeah exactly before you go and give Joe the phone just give me a little thought on those reparations thing we've been yapping about Joe that would have been the time to ask it right but he didn't because he wasn't going to ask it because Cory Booker already told us we just got the ability to say the word. So you're not going to ask uh, the nominee for the Democratic Party on a primetime show? Not prime time but it was a highly visible radio show because people were anticipating this because he had dodged them. No it's a prime-time show! It's a morning drive prime time show

1:35:05 Right. So yeah, this is complete BS but this is the repackage from CNN. Yep they learned. They learned you're right he learned in a just but what this all was really about it wasn't about people being upset that Joe Biden said something about black people or who were black and not this was everybody in the political sphere chance to level up This is what this was really about Uh, they know Joe needed help and it's like, Ooh, let me get my resume in. You know the book, the biscuits are hot. Yeah I gotta go out, gotta go help Joe an example of this was what led them by am joy show a before Charlamagne got on and this is AMM, Joy Biden hires flax when friend of the show Korean Jean Pierre officially joins the Biden presidential campaign team

1:36:02 It's an especially unique moment for the Biden campaign. Biden is boasting strong poll numbers, leading the sitting president by eight points even in a Fox News poll but with the ups come the downs. Biden has risked alienating his base with significant missteps as recently as this week which is why Kareem Jean-Pierre matters A veteran of the Barack Obama 2008 campaign who became an Obama White House staffer, then an author. And while we still had her as MSNBC contributor and fan favorite, Kareen adds crucial credibility and experience to Team Biden but she also enhances the team in another way. As a senior advisor, Kareem will join what until now has been rather exclusive club

1:36:51 Despite the presence of high profile African American staffers like senior advisor Simone Sanders, according to Rutgers University professors analysis Biden's national senior staff is 14% African-American. And as of now those whispering the closest in Mr Biden's ear are rather uniform Well, I'm very familiar with Corrine Jean-Pierre because I looked into her follow her. I am not a fan! I don't like your attitude... She rubs me the wrong way And we do know that she is Haitian American, right? She's not... Yes. That is correct. So she doesn't... She probably wouldn't be sympathetic to the whole plight of Adas and I'm just alleging that there are speculating on that but what I want to point out is yes see she got the job

1:37:44 Everybody was leveraging. Hey, Joe needs more black people so let me get out here and kiss a little butt and maybe he picked me." And it's amazing! How Joe Biden and the Democrats only have 14% representation on their campaign. This is one of those number games again, where we can't be below the average population! So you know, we gotta at least be 14%. Yeah all this matters. It's sad man... Sad. This is complete bullcrap but as I said with Simone Sanders

1:38:24 Well, so when Simone Sanders was on the Biden campaign, not the Biden campaign but on the Bernie campaign. She was talking about leadership should reflect democratic diversity let's listen to that please Howard Dean you know Howard Dean was there for that 50 state strategy, but here's the issue. Howard Dean is also on record maligning young people and millennials telling those Bernie folks they just need to get in line and maligning Bernie Sanders. And that is not what we need in my opinion. We don't need white people leading the Democratic Party right now. The Democratic Party is diverse and it should be reflected as so in our leadership and throughout the staff at the highest levels from the vice chairs through the secretaries all the way down to the people working in the offices at the DNC I think we need to have a robust discussion about this

1:39:07 And I think we need to hear more from all the candidates. Jamie Harrison in South Carolina, he's great too! He has done real party building but everybody doesn't necessarily know Jamie and they want to know what it is that he stands for so yeah i want to hear more from everybody i'm here for the millennials and the brown folk She threw in Brown Folk at the end? Yeah But then when she gets a job with Biden God will give her 14% That's right Where's the brown folks at? Where are the young people at?" Nah, ain't none of that. You do your job and then you hush up."

1:39:45 We continue on with Joy Biden. She speaks on hiring Blacks too. Perhaps that helps to explain some of the off keynotes that team, that Biden has sounded in the past couple of weeks by Dennis team I should say like Like failing to directly respond to an op-ed written by prominent Black women activists and influencers who called on Biden to commit to choosing a black woman running mate, a black woman on the Supreme Court, and a substantive Black agenda.

1:40:23 to give black voters a return on their investment in the Democratic Party and in the Biden candidacy, and frankly to shore up the community that's sure to be hit hardest with voter disenfranchisement. In Republican-led states and who knows maybe from Russia again? And who face the greatest mortality risk if forced to line up and vote due to disproportionate rates of COVID 19 sickness and death. Now to be clear, the issue is not about threatening to withhold votes from Biden just look at what's happening in America right now It's about policy concerns that black voters still have, even now. they're gonna push this voting from home mail-in ballot thing so she floated that idea there cuz she's like well the going to the polls is gonna be dangerous especially for black people so they're gonna use us to push voting from home in some kind of format or way. Because you can't kill black people with corona.

1:41:35 Whoa! It's like a binary one. Like you needed the two parts of the equation to make it work, you needed to have higher numbers of COVID-19 for African Americans and then you need to add the mail in vote You gotta combine the 2 together because we can't kill the blacks with the Rona Geez, brilliant. If you want black people to go to the polls then you want them to be dead is basically how it's gonna be communicated No no Donald Trump wants them to be dead that will be the communication yeah And they already landed groundwork for that

1:42:21 So be prepared for that talking point to pop up. The big talking point that she propped up there was this opinion piece that they had in the Washington Post, which all of these let me get who I was in it you had Latoya Brown co-founder of Black Votes Matter Tiffany D Cross we had her on the show she was the one that backed the one that disrespected Kobe. Gayle King, remember? She was like, oh, Gayle is being attacked by the misogyny. That's her yeah. Then you had Brittany Packnett Cunningham activist educator writer Alicia Garza that's the Black Lives Matter lady and principal of black futures. Everybody came out everybody came out I'm not done yet uh yes Sunny Holston aka Big Time Boulet Lady aka yeah she she was riding hard for Kamala

1:43:19 Then you have Angela Rye, she was involved. Oh my goodness. Amanda Seals... Yeah so all these women put this thing together that we're gonna play shortly and Joe Biden ignored them He didn't even acknowledge them. What? As he should have done with the breakfast club, if he was smart, he would have said I got your vote already that's how you work in politics and i'm not saying that he should ignore black people but if somebody is going to give you something and somebody say I'm gonna buy from you regardless You don't cater to their needs That's how business works Yeah Don't sell past the close Right But

1:44:01 Let's listen to a snippet from their Washington Post opinion piece. Vice President Biden, you need us! You owe us! Black women are miracle workers We have been saving the Democratic Party since 1965 2020 is no different Your only path to victory is through black women The voters who need to turn out? we know how to mobilize them Our votes must not be taken for granted The following commitments will begin to show black voters that you are serious about us. America needs a Black woman vice president Candidates like Amy Klobuchar will not energize us America needs a Black woman Supreme Court justice Remember Anita Hill? We do

1:44:54 America needs more in a comprehensive black agenda. The rules are rigged against our communities. Holy trash heap, Moe! Wait a minute... Was this completely Washington Post organized or was that what is does this group have a name? Are they an organization by themselves? I found this on the Washington Post YouTube channel and it's organized by Washington Post. I mean, all of them have their own individual organizations but there's no one big organization. But this video, this little montage was produced by the Washington Post? Yes!

1:45:37 Wow, did the do you hear the order? Oh yeah, but or yeah But did the DNC just walk up and say here it is and here's your check I mean what the hell is this all about This is not a business pick me. This is mammy behavior And I've said that before wow and people may get mad at me I don't really care at this point because if you participate in this kind of behavior Pick me Pick me. It's like uh That how disgusting is that then you lay out, uh... they said the tangibles at the end. The gender at the end! First we need to black- right I forgot you had that. But yeah they laid out vice president first which is nothing but a symbol of symbolic position two is the Supreme Court justice which if you really wanted

1:46:31 One or the other I would take to Supreme Court justice because at least they'll be there forever and they actually can do things. That's some real power, yeah Right But then they put the agenda last! but it's also a little sinister because you're talking about Ruth Bader Ginsburg dying You know, it's not like Joe becomes president and hey I'm gonna add one. It's not the plan it's like Ruth Time to go you got a go you gotta turn black or go One of the other black or blue And it could be both And I find that I find that a little sinister because that is...I mean how do you think she feels?

1:47:21 They don't care that you hurt you heard what they want and this and their priorities are really just jacked up from the very beginning because like I said, I mean the order of things is all out of whack but imagine You doing this to get picked in Joe Biden ignored. Yeah That's that's the harsh part They completely did not acknowledge it at all And you know the sad thing about this whole thing is Even if they pick Amy Klobuchar, they'll do this mental gymnastics and say well at least she's a woman. And we still gotta vote for Joe? I mean no seriously! Two things, Brock. I'm gonna have to look this whole thing up on the Washington Post. This is... Did it have a title or what was it?

1:48:14 It's two minutes long. I only play like 44 opinion Biden you need black women voters, okay? All right This is how you win them. I gotcha Two things one from out from the very first show You asked me shit I think our second show maybe you said well What what's the play for them to get black women vote you ask me that question and I said ego now you see in it Okay, this is a guy when I say black women. I'm not talking about the average person Everyday at woman I'm talking about these political agents pundits, whatever you want to call them. They don't have any moral backing or no Underpinnings to say, you know well at some point we were tired of being disrespected They doubled down and say hey We said pick me but now would say it louder since you You know, we have more leverage for used it for you to use against you to pick me Yeah

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2:03:15 That would be my one of if outside of cash whole cohort cash Just make everything tax-free. I mean cell phones Everything all those little taxes to eat up your money, I think that would definitely have a huge impact on people's lives That's very interesting. Have we talked about that? I think we mentioned it once, but yeah, I'm for that one. And the reason why because the mechanism would be really easy to do if you do a payroll tax Because that's, wow I hadn't considered that because that is directly from the federal government. They control it based upon your social security number which you know of course is connected to your identity from which many things can be derived interesting way to do it. Then you would spill all the taxes? Go ahead. That's your economic justice mechanism

2:04:10 Very exactly and you every all the taxes that you found throughout to me paid out the year You just found them on your taxes at the end of year and settle up with our s it's a very doable And I would encourage anybody To back this idea, then. I'll tell you why because it'll it's inevitable no matter what the mechanism is Other groups will use it and it will be used in other administrations and other for other reasons but For one, it would be good to let our African-American brothers and sisters go first with a good thing. It's very possible. No more holding the door! Exactly but it's so much easier than cutting a check because you know... It is definitely doable. Because you also kind of have to be productive

2:05:03 We might have to talk about that in detail. I'd love to talk about that in detail, it's very interesting way of doing it anyway Thank you Nathaniel for that. Yeah, this is exactly how Value For Value works and this is the feedback loop it's very important thank you Nathaniel really means a lot Harm Feenstra I believe he's Dutch excellent shows he says and I don't know if its harm or nick but it's mr. feenstra and 1999 is his number we appreciate it Bobby Rowe comes in with 1960 I attend school to be history teacher he says

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2:05:03 We might have to talk about that in detail. I'd love to talk about that in detail, it's very interesting way of doing it anyway Thank you Nathaniel for that. Yeah, this is exactly how Value For Value works and this is the feedback loop it's very important thank you Nathaniel really means a lot Harm Feenstra I believe he's Dutch excellent shows he says and I don't know if its harm or nick but it's mr. feenstra and 1999 is his number we appreciate it Bobby Rowe comes in with 1960 I attend school to be history teacher he says

2:05:41 The cost of tuition is $490 a credit hour. After 75 days of class, that comes out to one class being worth $19.60 This is how I came to what the actual value of your lesson on Abraham Lincoln was last week. I now work with kids in the juvenile justice system and your podcast definitely has shifted my conversations as a white man from those talking to kids from the eyes of A New Jim Crow, to The Eyes Of Moe." Let that sink in for a second, my friend. Yeah when I read this... That's a big compliment! And I agree

2:06:24 Your conversations have shifted my eyes from a message of victimization to a message of empowerment. Thank you for your hard work and I'll happily take all the jingles, goat woo-sah and any others you have combined with... combined into what does this say? Combined into on by... I think maybe one bye Yeah, but one by- It show in honor of Joe Biden's shit show. I'm not quite sure what i can do for you there But we can certainly give you the goat and the woosa and the karma And im gonna hit that right now for ya Woosah! Woooosaaah! Et WOOOOOSAAAH! I'm sending you tons Of good ass energy Take that take that take that

2:07:15 You've got Bobby Rowe really brought it with the 1960 and that is I love that because the great example of value It's what he gets for teaching. That's you know, if it's what the what did what? What the actual cost is great perfect number Thank you James Niemeyer, obviously like the previous episode and it was one of two people who came in with $16.19 a callback to the New York Times 16-19 project which James says he loved John Taylor says enlightening sixteen dollars and nineteen cents anonymous eleven dollars eleven cents magic numbers thank you for that no note though Pierce Stith ten

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2:09:41 Please consider supporting us for our next show. You can go to mofax.com, support MoFax with Adam Curry if you want to go to the donation page directly it's a mofundme.com and thank you again all very much It's funny that people the last two comments they what they made about the Squawking harpy and letting us know let us not watch am joy The reason why I said it is. I watched that show for the whole 2 hours and by time I was done I was charged like I mean Fired up

2:10:27 Raw man, cuz I normally digested in small chunks what to sit because I want to make sure I caught everything You know that maybe little things they will leave out of clips or that they put on the internet So by the time I watched it, I will that's why I posted at what I posted on Twitter that man. I was That's mind control. There is no other way to say it, mind control So I'm going to use this final block of clips To counterbalance that mind control It's the antidote This is like the vaccine we're giving you right here Right! This is a hydroxychloroquine of mind control With the D3 booster And a side of zinc coming at ya

2:11:15 We have to really look at this thing called black. Seriously, because I know on the show all the time I say so-called or quote unquote black because I don't really...I use that term black but i have a love hate relationship with it Because its not who I am Its an adjective its not a noun its not a nationality It's not uh..uhh..not a culture Not any of these things And if it could easily be defined and stripped away from people, we really have to look at getting rid of this term. And finding another term that better fits us. That's why I was all geeked up about ADOS when it first came out. Yeah, ADOS was a good one and by the way what-if I use it people still recognize it and appreciate it Right but its been somewhat hijacked and... Yeah tainted! Imma say tainted. Imma please say tainted. Tainted yeah I agree

2:12:14 So, I found this clip. This is from Dr Jose Pimenta Bay He's from the Moors. He talks about black ethnicity or African American. This individual is calling himself white We're gonna react and call ourselves black because we're the opposite not really understanding that we're not exactly taking a step in the right direction because now as I like to say, given all the linguistic and cultural baggage of black you are trying to push an elephant uphill on roller skates. You're trying to turn a negative into a positive

2:13:02 Well, so we talked about this term black the word black on the show before we have a throwback clip and it was I think is I Used to wear which because that's what she referred to herself as you know The esoteric meaning in of black and it's very negative And just in every day use of black. It's very negative and Oh, but the point he's trying to make is black English language was negative before they applied it to us. Oh yeah group oh Yeah, black magic Yeah, black magic black Black market black plague black plague all of them whenever you put that word in front of it Notates negativity

2:13:50 So we really need to start investigating and finding who we are. But the need for us to be black, and he said it in like the first maybe 10 seconds of the clip we just played is this reactionary to what we've called white supremacy labeling things as white and white is synonymous with pure So everything that's not pure goes into, used to be black but now you have all these multi different groups. That's where the people of color come from is white and everybody else and it's binary. And my thought behind this is to program anything you have to have ones and zeros which is binary so their programming society

2:14:45 By making us ones and zeros. You're a one, I'm a zero right? And that's how they program society mentally Is that crazy? It's actually not because if you look at people that way and you look at it as the basis building blocks of computer code Of computer functions... You can assemble these ones and zeros certain ways to get an outcome. I mean, I'm taking the metaphor to its extreme but... No please do because they mean you alley it up there and I mean you should slam it on home! So if you want the binary equivalent of the number 38 that would be 1 0 0 1 1 0

2:15:33 So that's one white, two blacks. Two whites and one black. And strangely enough the universe sometimes works this way that things transfer from mathematics into the physical world So it's completely, I like the analogy a lot of the basic blocks of society are ones and zeros or at least that's the way it's being programmed in our brains. Yeah everything now is what? Ones and zeros up vote down vote

2:16:11 Swipe left swipe right everything is binary now goodness mo So let's get into a forest Kenny and this guy that only has like 100 something YouTube followers by about this very interesting Snippet on binary thinking so let's explore how binary thinking works, and how it doesn't work. I Much of reality is something like this spectrum of hues. What binary thinking does is reduce all these subtle gradations to just two states, and so the spectrum of hues is reduced too and labeled white and black One of the many problems with this is that these two different shades are both called black even though these two shades are much more alike

2:17:01 And these two shades are both called white, even though these two shades are much more alike. So the uniqueness of each shade is lost in this crude way of thinking here's another issue in a binary structure if you have black then not black can only be white. Yeah yeah so what Joe Biden did was say Thinking this way or voting this way you're no longer black and he man is white His body's completely binary. Yeah, it is

2:17:44 And that's how this how politics work because when they do and the image I get is in matrix in the Matrix movie remember the guy sitting there watching his screen with just the ones and zeros go up but he actually sees what's going on because you can read the code yeah, and he knows what images are actually make up the code so What Dr. Bay had brought up was it's completely reactive the state of being black is Reactive to white that's it White defines why and then we're active when we say real black That's that's how that's how it works, and that's how this system is designed to work well I'm a big fan And I actually live my life by

2:18:33 Stephen Covey's book seven habits of highly effective people. Oh and habit one is well, let's just get in the habit one now We want to look at the foundational habit have it one to be proactive why foundational? Because all of the other habits flow out of it If habit one is present, you can cultivate the other six. If it is not present, you will not cultivate the other six. Habit one Be proactive basically means that your life is a product of your values not your feelings. That your life or the organization's life is a product all your decisions, not your conditions

2:19:33 The opposite of being proactive is to be reactive, which basically means that your life is a function of your feelings. Your moods, your impulses other people's treatment and little did he know of the prediction of Twitter in a nutshell right there? And that's what these whole people would it can't they don't like free thinkers because a free thinker is proactive. It's like these are the conditions, this is what I wanted to do, this is where I can control, this is my decision they're completely reactive and that's why they can't jive with free thinkers because that's what they say well Trump makes me feel bad

2:20:26 It's not about, you know what they can control and you know well I'll choose the third option of not voting. You know i just won't participate that drives them crazy because that's not binary am I making sense? Yeah it's actually the third option is actually a quantum thinking in that if you carry the analogy all the way through Right, and it breaks the system. It breaks the binary system And that's why people get so bent out of shape because no you have to choose between the two options giving in People like know I don't have to shoot. I'm being proactive. I'm being in control of myself. I'm not a victim. I'm not a um No Only gonna go off my emotions. I'm going to use logic well To wrap this up. I always like to end the show on a high note

2:21:17 We can discuss it after the clip plays a little more, but he lets you know about how you take control of your own situations. Think on it this way two circles The larger outer circle You call the circle of concern Things you're concerned about things you're worried about But then there is an inner circle that's very small That are concerns you have influence over Where do proactive people focus their energies? Which circle? The inner circle. Where do reactive people focus their energies? The outer circle Why

2:22:06 because they're victimized. And I'll say if you've never read any of this or seen any of the seven habits of highly effective people, it's well worth looking into even if you don't wind up following all of the habits there is takeaway that has helped me and I think it's helped tens of millions of people. This has been a big cornerstone unknowingly to the listeners of this show Because I don't worry about my circle of concern, right? I'm aware of it But I don't worry about cuz I can't control it and that's always tell people About when we talk about Corona right. Mm-hmm. They're saying well corona affects black people You know acute is killing black people why What can they do to control it or where you can?

2:22:58 eat healthier, exercise. Wash your hands and do the things you can control and then don't worry about it. And voting same thing what can I do to control my situation? I can be financially responsible keep my money within my community these things i can't just hear oh i feel so bad because i'm a victim It gets you nowhere at all. And that's why I said we really have if black is the reaction to white, then we have to start being proactive and define who we are basically in a nutshell That's how we defeat this whole thing and then once we define who we are everybody does that Then where schools of fish now be coming back to the fishing games it's like Now you have people taking control they're online being proactive in their swimming

2:23:54 That's that's that's my solution. So Mo every single time we do this I We come to this point in the show, I got a big smile on my face and you've done it again This has been this has been a great one then particularly in this time This timing is I find incredibly inspirational of again? I've learned more things I know I'm not alone And I think, you know the word this is good. That's all I can say it's damn good This was fun It's just fun what else could what else are gonna do as a podcaster on a Monday night? that's it and I just would tell people control the things that you control and try not to worry about the things you can't control and as always say pay attention to everything in The truth will reveal itself

2:24:42 And we will be back next week and please consider supporting the show as a producer by going to mofax.com or MoFundMe.com. Mo, I'll talk to you next week buddy! Alright talk to ya later Adam Take care everybody bye-bye You're gonna change my life around. You came to me when I was lonely and no one cared. You made me see that I was only just born again. And so even something told me you were the one, used

2:25:44 And now I see my life's mine. You bring me up when I'm down. You're closing my life around. Oh