62: Pink Elephant

00:01 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for April 27th, 2021. This is episode number 62 and there's strong forces at work ladies and gentlemen it's always a miracle we get this show out at all I'm Adam Curry in Austin Texas and on the other end it is my friend Mr. Mo Facts How you doing Adam? Moe, it's been quite the day. We've had a little bit of uh... I don't know it's- You could call it gremlins but I don't know and I'm starting to think that there are forces at work here that sometimes just want to make sure our show does not start It can't stop us so it only can delay us but

00:52 We'll get it done. This is true hey Moe, it's been way too long I went on vacation so apologies that I was out of pocket and then we got resituated And we knew there was some stuff coming up that we probably wanted to discuss So it's kind of good that we had an opportunity to wait a little bit longer for today show how you been though What's what's been going on with you? Everything's more pretty good Just some you know life stuff coming at you but Other than that, you know what I'm saying? It's going pretty good. Excellent man excellent well i am very excited to be talking to you again uh... I miss the show it was like yeah Noah Jenner been doing that for fourteen years and like can actually turn that off a little bit but I was like I like talking to Moe man! I really missed that so its good

01:38 Well, in the meantime I have put together a nice bag for us so if you want to get to that wheel we can. Yeah, you bet! I'm going to reach over here let me get the uh...the Wheel of Topics here hold on a second. Ladies and gentlemen okay it's The Wheel Of Topics round and around it goes where it stops nobody knows the only person who really knows what the topic for today is MoFacts Let's see what MoFacts with Adam Curry 62 was gonna be all about. Cults are as cults do Cult. Hmm, that's unexpected That's a little like curveball cults are as cults do hmm Yes So we ought to talk about the coat awoke aka the holy cow and the George Floyd case and I said I would not talk about the case It had wrapped right? And now it's time to talk about it um, I guess we can start off where we left off in show 40, uh politics

02:37 and jumping right to number two. On Monday, May 25th Minneapolis police officers respond to a call about a customer using a counterfeit $20 bill. Officers arrive and pull the suspect 46 year old George Floyd from his car placing him in handcuffs minutes later officers lay Floyd down beside the rear tire of a police car An officer, later identified as Derek Chauvin places his knee on Floyd's neck. As Floyd tells officers he can't breathe bystanders plead for his life. After approximately three minutes Floyd becomes unresponsive Officer Chauvin continues to keep his knee on Floyds neck until paramedics arrive approximately five minutes later

03:27 The incident is the latest in a series of racially charged confrontations in recent weeks, including the death of Ahmaud Arbery, the police shooting of Breonna Taylor and a 911 call about a black bird watcher in Central Park. Oh man, that was episode 40. It seems like so long ago So what we're not gonna do is traumatize people with a blow-by-blow of the case No We're gonna look at this whole situation from beginning to end how it played out and the symbolism that went on with this whole situation There's something that I caught there are two things I caught

04:05 Going back and listen to these clips, and this is why we revisit throwback clips because it's the propaganda so thick that you miss Different points about it in this clip. Did you listen to the pronunciation of? The officer's name Maybe just like run it I think maybe catching the first 10 seconds. I want you to hear it cuz okay Pick it up On Monday, May 25th Minneapolis police officers respond to a call about a customer using a counterfeit $20 bill. Officers arrive and pull the suspect 46 year old George Floyd from his car placing him in handcuffs minutes later officers lay Floyd down beside the rear tire of a police car an officer later identified as Derek Chauvin Oh Chauvin instead of Chauvin Chauvin hmm interesting that was their this is their first account of how yes

04:58 Yes, so we're going to talk about that. But first I want to talk about the date this was Memorial Day and we didn't stress that point when we cover the mayhem in the protests and everything that happened after the murder of George Floyd That being Memorial Day and then later they're trying to push this. This is according to ABC in Raleigh or ABC 11 As the day of enlightenment Oh, yes the George Floyd a memorial similar Memorial Center website says that they want May 25th to be commiserated as the day that The world came together for our common purpose And open the world's eyes to the plight of black Americans and they wanted to be referred to it is the day of Enlightenment hmm

05:45 Okay, so that we didn't discuss that ever saying no. We didn't we didn't But when I went back with this clip, I was like chauvin That's weird and it was right in front of my eyes what had happened here? We know him as what now Derek show Chauvin yeah and chauvin is spelled just like chauvinism Yes, it is S-C-H-A-U-V yep chauvinism Chauvinism. Where does the word come from? The term chauvinisme is French and dates back to the 1830s There was a man named Nicolas Chauvin, so the story goes who was the most loyal soldier in Napoleon's Grande Armée

06:33 It was said that he was born in Rochefort around 1780 and enlisted at the age of 18. He served with such dedication that Napoleon himself presented Chauvin with a military award, Sabre of Honor. Chauvin was badly wounded in the war, but remained a fanatical Bonapartist even after Napoleon's exile in 1815 and the restoration of the monarchy His loud and unfashionable obsession with The Good Old Days of Empire made him into an object of mockery And his name was given to a ridiculous character In a popular play of 1831

07:14 The word crossed the channel and began to be used in English around 1870. Then chauvinism meant belligerent patriotism, just as it did in France rather like the English word jingoism Wow, okay never expected it to go this direction Mo. Well we're going there early today. Yeah I love it! We're coming right out the box with this because it was right in front of my face and I didn't even see it until I listened to the old clip how they originally said his name and then they just switched it and this is where I need to lean on you Ed. They actually have readings of how names are read correct? Mm-hmm

07:57 Yeah, Phonetics. What is that called when they... Phonetics? No no no I'm saying when the media passes around and says we're gonna refer to this person in this pronunciation what is that called? Style Guide it's the... Style Guide yes That's what it is yeah So somewhere along the way he became went from Chauvin to Chauvin And you look at who a Chauvin is and the definition of his name It's very subtle but wow The good old days of the empire and belligerent patriotism. Wow, it's a spell. It's a spell! It's a spell right off the bat I'm starting to recognize them now. Woohoo! Spell! Yeah Well let's go ahead and dive into part two of that clue Then chauvinism meant belligerent patriotism just as it did in France rather like the English word jingoism By the 1930s its meaning had evolved and referred to a fanatical devotion to any cause and hostility towards outsiders

09:00 It began to be used in journalism and plays, particularly when the unequal position of women in society was being discussed. But it was in the 1960's and 70's that the use of the word chauvinism really took off amongst feminists The term male chauvinist pig became popular turning up in films and magazines including Playboy Use of the word chauvinist peaked in the 1980's Other terms like sexist and misogynist have risen in use more recently. But it is President Trump's slogan, America First!, that really harks back to the original meaning of chauvinism... one that the apocryphal Nicolas Chauvin might even recognize if he ever really existed, that is!

09:50 Wow! If he ever really existed. Oh, now do we have any other examples of Derek Chauvin's name being pronounced that way or is this the only one? It's the only one and it's like I said this is when the first account that I pulled for Show 40 was the official timeline for NBC News right and and that's how they pronounced it Chauvin But he had become Derek Chauvin and you said a spell and you're correct in the Appropriate term is called a sigil. That's something go past your conscious mind to your subconscious mind a Sigil, yes. Yes I think it's s-i-g-i-l Sigil and what it does? It's like a meme it goes past we've been right in front of faces whole time Wow

10:47 But when you look at it, it's like oh chauvinist. And then you rank your bill what did you catch when you rank your bill? Chauvinist pig. Yes, chauvinist pig and then later of course they brought in President Trump as the chauvinist pig. Yeah but what I'm saying is chauvinist pig police officer. Police officer! Oh no Moe come on this is too much coincidence Well, now we gotta go and look into why do people sometimes call police officers pigs? Unlike so many other nicknames for the police such as cops and the fuzz this particular term has a relatively well-known origin. You see starting around the 16th century

11:31 The gig began being used in English as a derogatory term for people, whether the police or not, as it is still sometimes used today. It took about three more centuries but this particular insult inevitably became popular nickname for often insulted police officers with the first documented reference to this being in the dictionary of buckish slang University Wit and pickpocket eloquence published in London in 1811. In it, the pertinent line in question is meaning the officers searched my house and seized my pick locks. So what I'm just saying is when you see his name Derek Chauvin... Yeah, you think Chauvin is the pig? When I was growing up, I heard my mom say this sometimes did you ever hear Mama Facts talk about someone being a chauvinist pig

12:21 Yes, yeah. Yes I've heard both terms Not by mama facts no But now her boat but when you put it together It tells how they want to paint him and it's there it so interesting because I do recall Thinking this when it all first came down like oh that's that's a coincidence chauvin chauvinist mm-hmm The belligerent patriot that longs for the good old days. Who is hostile to outsiders. If we're opening up like that, we gotta go back to show 40 and NBC News 2

13:08 On Tuesday, May 26th the Minneapolis Police Department releases a statement saying Floyd physically resisted officers. What we saw was horrible This man's life matters. The mayor announces all four officers involved in the arrest have been fired and the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and the FBI announced they will also be investigating the arrest To be clear, the Department of Justice has made the investigation in this case a top priority Hundreds of people gather in Minneapolis on Tuesday night to decry the death of Floyd Police officers in riot gear fire rubber bullets at the crowd

13:47 So I want to count what happened for people that maybe have been under a rock and don't know about this case. And it ended up with Derek Chauvin getting convicted with the max amount of counts that he could get in this case, But I feel personally there was no justice and i'm gonna lay out that well we know what that word means or? What it lives to but right well, this is don't think like there is another term that I've picked up on him. I'm sure this will come later down the road but at this term accountability As yes equity as well. Yeah equity. I know but I keep hearing accountability and you know How does this work into it right we'll get there I guess

14:30 Yeah, well we'll get there. But what I want to say is this that the reason why don't feel like there's justice because no matter how you look what lens you looked at this case from the appropriate charge and or some reason for his death was not fully invest not saying not investigated but wasn't fully explored it wasn't fully explore because Where were we at? We're okay. We were counting, he had three co-conspirators if you want to use that word now I mean since he's been convicted right it was the three other officers but what they did was there nowhere to be found because one i don't think they're good for optics one guy looks kind of black yeah and then the other guy is asian you see what im saying so these

15:23 They were just like, let's put out the belligerent patriot. Put him up for exactly four sacrifice and a lot of this show is going to be surrounded about Brown sacrifice because there were two sacrifices that happened in this situation and we're gonna explore both of them but I guess we can go into the new details on officers Those alarming new details emerging about the other three officers on the scene with Derek Chauvin during George Floyd's last moments. Alex Perez joins us with the latest from Minneapolis on that part of the story, good morning Alex. Hey good morning Amy well for the first time we may be learning what the defense argument for these other

15:58 officers involved in the case may be. Now those other officers, Tso Thao, J Alexander King and Thomas Lane all made their first appearance in court Thursday they're each facing multiple charges including aiding and abetting second-degree murder two of them in court shifting blame to veteran officer Derek Chauvin the one seen horrific video digging his knee into Floyd's neck. The attorneys for King and Lane telling the judge that they were both rookie officers when the incident occurred with George Floyd, both on the job full time for only a handful of days

16:34 King's attorneys saying he told the other officer, quote you shouldn't do this. And Lane's attorney saying he asked Chauvin shall we roll him over and that he performed CPR on Floyd in the ambulance now Chauvin has not yet appeared in court but those other three officers are being held on a million dollar bail. His own team sent him up to river yeah And from the imaging and the recording of the situation, there was three officers with their knee on his back at one time or another. So let me illustrate where I'm going with this no matter how you saw that case because I know this country is very divided on this case

17:14 Half of them say that the guy was guilty of murder, and the other half says well it was other factors that we will explore later. That were played into the death of George Floyd which what I'm saying is no matter which way you fall on this either if you're gonna say he was murdered then you have to look at these other officers as well Certainly based upon the video evidence and yeah. What I'm just saying, so what we're going to look at first if you fall on that side this is why you didn't receive the appropriate definition of justice and then we'll explore the other half later in the show if you think it fell the other way because what I'm just saying is with a way I saw this case play out

18:02 There was no justice in this case at all. I mean, I'm gonna explain why now this next clip comes from show 40 and this is judging in pyro and she's on Fox News and she tends to be on the conservative side a little bit and this was A little bit a little bit And what? She does is see What she's gonna point out is how I felt about the situation. So people can be clear on that and it's just strange that, imma say this there are very few people who think

18:40 Derek Chauvin didn't play a role in the death of George Floyd. Now it's like on that spectrum, what was his level of responsibility and culpability? But I think where all that was on board and why we're using her clip is even on Fox News they allowed her to go up here and say this so That goes to show you that it was quite clear something was amiss in this whole situation. Folks, this is not just recklessness. This is not just depraved indifference to human life. This is not just an intentional murder. This is premeditated Murder One

19:17 Chauvin was reminded over and over again that he was snuffing the life out of George Floyd. He was reminded by George Floyd begging and wailing for his life, he was reminded by the witnesses and passersby, he was reminded as he felt the life of George Floyd being expelled under his knee This is not a man who didn't comprehend or understand the depravity. Again and again, he was called upon to stop to check, to roll him off his back, to check his pulse, to see that his nose was bleeding, to put them in the car every one of these points. His attention was drawn to what he was doing and they had a chance to stop

20:07 Every one of these alerts was a trigger that alerted him to the consequences of his actions and was a point of premeditation after which he made the conscious decision to continue. Now, I'll just say that when this went down, I called my buddy in Colorado who's an EMT And I said, man look at this because he had taught me this term a long time ago which is excited delirium. Okay and he deals with that a lot and essentially it's someone who's overdosing on heroin or some kind of opioid but may have had either meth or some PCP you know some other stimulant and he says what happens it's really crazy

20:57 He'll bring people back to life with Narcan, you know so a little shot in the nose there. And they first of all they wake up and they're extremely angry and they have like superhuman strength because their all hyped on some kind of amphetamine It's just really, really difficult and they're very... he says at that point they have almost superhuman strength. They often have to throw a hood on them because they're spitting and biting and going nuts And he said that guy before there was even trouble from what he saw as a professional He said that guy was already dying

21:35 Before anything happened, before he was on the ground, before any of that stuff. So... That's correct! That's the part that I know from what i've heard from pretty reliable sources And that was several occasions where I'm gonna... I am not speaking from a lawyer because i am not a law lawyer. I'm speaking from a person that went to the Law School of Law and Order, and Court TV movies... The real stuff! No what because what I'm saying is that that is what shapes people's perception Absolutely absolutely Of the law And then I'm not this why I'm not in this case I'm not here to debate as far as

22:17 the technicalities or what the legal minds say. You see what I'm saying? I'm saying you have two people and one is on one side saying it was murder one, straight up and down and all the other cops should be charged same as him. And I'll explain why in a minute. On the other side, you have people that say more of what your're saying is he was dying anyway and the drugs killed him. Let's just put it out there now somewhere in between, there is the truth but no matter if you believe on one hand or the other hand neither one of those received justice in this case that's my point I'm trying to make. Nobody can leave this case happy because If he truly did die of drug overdose then we need to go and find out who sold him the drugs and charge them with murder 1

23:09 Because we've seen this with what's the guy named? Kind of chubby guy actor wore glasses. He died of a heroin overdose Philip Hoffman Correct when he died They went arrested for other people for his death yeah, well that he was a Hollywood actor after all But this is not just he should George Floyd should get the same justice that he got. You see what I'm saying? That's why I'm saying nobody can be happy in this and if you're gonna put this, if you're gonna hang this on Derek Chauvin The blue line needs to stick with him but that goes to show you that they rolled on him And said no it's all on him which we know from my perspective This was all...I wouldn't say

23:55 I'm not one of those people that go out and say, oh they plan this on this date. They do have this happen there are there are that group out there to say that? I don't really fall in that group. I don't poo-poo with it as well. Who knows craziest world is what i'm just saying is they looked at all these things and highlighted all of these things because guess what when you look at it It's perfect balance on both sides because you can look at it through whatever lens you look through and you're gonna be pissed off at it. And that was the whole purpose of this. That's all, yeah, I assume that to be the point? Right, that's why no justice was really had because if it was a case like... I'm just going to recount this one cause I know people are a lot in their emotions right now and that's why I didn't talk about this case from this perspective until it was over because I wanted people to see how it played out

24:45 And you have a conservative judge here, Jeanine Pirro on Fox News which is to believe to be conservative. We know what I'm saying? We know who's really running this show. Exactly! But what i'm saying is they're the right hand wing on this bird and for her to come out and say that yeah that kind of lets you know that's that's the extreme that's the furthest extreme you can go to and that's on fox news And then on the other side, you know if he wasn't killed by the cop then we need more people arrested and brought to justice and Charged for murder warrant. You might be saying well Moe murder warrants seriously? Yes number eight I spent the last 16 years of my life in prison serving time for murder That's right murder

23:55 I'm not one of those people that go out and say, oh they plan this on this date. They do have this happen there are there are that group out there to say that? I don't really fall in that group. I don't poo-poo with it as well. Who knows craziest world is what i'm just saying is they looked at all these things and highlighted all of these things because guess what when you look at it It's perfect balance on both sides because you can look at it through whatever lens you look through and you're gonna be pissed off at it. And that was the whole purpose of this. That's all, yeah, I assume that to be the point? Right, that's why no justice was really had because if it was a case like... I'm just going to recount this one cause I know people are a lot in their emotions right now and that's why I didn't talk about this case from this perspective until it was over because I wanted people to see how it played out

24:45 And you have a conservative judge here, Jeanine Pirro on Fox News which is to believe to be conservative. We know what I'm saying? We know who's really running this show. Exactly! But what i'm saying is they're the right hand wing on this bird and for her to come out and say that yeah that kind of lets you know that's that's the extreme that's the furthest extreme you can go to and that's on fox news And then on the other side, you know if he wasn't killed by the cop then we need more people arrested and brought to justice and Charged for murder warrant. You might be saying well Moe murder warrants seriously? Yes number eight I spent the last 16 years of my life in prison serving time for murder That's right murder

25:34 But the thing is, I didn't kill anyone. And don't just take my word for it! The judge, the prosecutor and the jury in my case all agreed that i hadn't killed anyone but they still sentenced me as the actual killer and put me in prison with 25 years to life Alright, I want to tell you about something called the felony murder rule. It's a glitch in our criminal justice system A glitch we only have in the United States and it basically says this Felony murder rule any death which occurs during the commission of a felony is first-degree murder and all participants in that felony can be charged with, and found guilty of murder. Translation? If you commit a felony and while that felony is happening someone gets killed You can be found guilty of murder whether or not you killed anyone Here's an example Let say you let your friend borrow your car You know he's gonna use it to commit a robbery

26:31 But then he ends up killing someone. The felony murder rule says that you're equally guilty of the murder as your friend This actually happened to a guy named Ryan Holly instead of going to prison for an attempted robbery He's serving life without the possibility of parole Or what about this? You and your friend decide to commit a robbery. As you're running away, your friend is shot dead by the police The felony murder rule says that you are going to prison for his murder even though it was a cop who killed him Wow, okay now. Now you see why I say there's no justice had in this case Didn't they try to lay this on President Trump or something too? I recall vaguely there was something like this Of course! I mean I'm sure they tried to fuck off. Makes sense right? It makes complete sense But what I'm trying to illustrate to people is this

27:23 Okay, say it was manslaughter. At the point it became manslaughter those other people in commission of that crime if you're going to charge all of them by the felony murder rule You have given all murder one right or if you're gonna say drugs killed him Then you need to go and find The people that committed a felony understanding like I suppose If you want complete justice is yes, right? That's what we were striving for here Please really think that did you No, what I'm saying is by the people who was pushing the narratives. Yeah and they left us right where they wanted us at right now on It's a perfect illusion it's that blue dress Black dress kind of thing blue dresses like no dress yeah Yes, no matter what angle you look at it You're not gonna be happy and we're I'm gonna give you this

28:17 the perspective of how I look at as a black man and I barely rarely say that on this show. But the reason why I say that is because I have to tell and communicate while people are so frustrated when we watch first 48 television shows, it'll be a case where three black kids go do a BNE and they start old lady she falls over with a heart attack and they all go down for murder one Got it. So when you set that standard, You gotta hold it and keep the standard Well its not even about keeping it what is is thats what shaped these

28:56 our minds. Now, I mean of course I know there's shades of gray, you know what I'm saying? But what i'm saying is when I look at this case I'm like why did you give those three kids murder one... Let me translate let me translate yes so and I'll use the term as a black man You look at this you're used to hearing the second part of the sentence which is well because the old lady died you get in murder one you're all going you're all going to jail and you've heard that I think this is the felony. We you watch the show first 48 which is very popular amongst black people too busy watching in the Oscars, I got no time for that. No well when I want to do that it was only me by the way It's this show yeah you were like three other people uh but what I'm saying is

29:45 And what we have this show is to have these conversations so people can first seek first to understand then it'd be understood, you know Have empathy for both sides. So that's my point because as a white man I get to say it I don't, I've never really even heard this. So you've been exposed to it for obvious reasons much more than i have is that a fair assessment? Yeah and that's just...I'm not saying I'm out here doing B&Es! I'm talking about what the media shows me week after week on the television show that mostly is dominated by the presence of young black men. And they go like... I've never seen First 48.

30:25 The most disgusting example was this. One guy calls up his friend and say, hey you know anybody got any weed? And dude's like yeah I know somebody got weed He takes him over to the guys house he sits in the car the guy goes in buys a weed robs and kills people in the house they both get murder one Just like that. Yeah, okay? So what shapes your perspective It's like when you see this case and usually for cops involved nine minutes on his back Nobody says pulls him out like come on Derek. You know saying like there's some bullcrap Right so it's not just justice not to be had because of what they had was perfect They have two sacrifices to put up on the cult who's in for the call to woke the holy cow

31:11 And it was like, it worked perfect. I know I talked a lot here but I'm trying to... No no, I got it! No, I have to say this. I know there's some people on both sides right now that are pissed at me Maybe But what do I have to do? Well, I don't care. You know me. I truly don't care because I understand what this is meant to do and if you're allowing that to do it to you, then your a victim and actually feel empathy for you. It's not angry at you because your angry with me because i'm not going to regurgitate talking points We are gonna look at this case Well this is what I love about the show Moe First of all you giving me something that I hadn't thought about You know its like I don't even know about this part of justice

31:57 And that's on me, but this is exactly the kind of show where we can have these conversations and I love it that you say there is no justice on either side. That's the important part! That's what people need to understand because we're all being played. That's the whole point. So not to use any You're saying straight too far, but I just want to lay that out Just so everybody understands what we're going with this show and you know and you know understand. So I think we stopped at uh, nine's up next Yes, please. By Wednesday as protests spread nationwide George Floyd's sister Bridget Floyd calls for justice I would like for those officers to be charged with murder by Thursday new video reveals the three officers were on top of Floyd during the arrest Governor Tim Walz activates the National Guard

32:52 On the third night of protests, crowds gather outside the 3rd Police Precinct in downtown Minneapolis. The standoff soon spirals out of control with officers evacuating the police station just after 10 p.m. local time as protesters enter the building. The Police Precinct, as well as several buildings in the surrounding neighborhood are lit on fire Several businesses are looted. This smoke shop, then there's a liquor shop then there is the street and the police station right across the road so we're 500 feet from the police station There are fires burning in different directions around me There is another fire over there Yes! The summer of love Yeah and that's the thing this thing was not only about our presidential election this is about the way the world gonna go

33:39 And you might think that's grandiose, but it really is not. Because if this doesn't happen I think the pandemic wasn't enough to get Trump out of office. I really don't because at the end of the day the money came back. The stock market went down but it came back and well It wasn't an economical thing pressure from this case and then everything stacked on top of it. And we talked about the three waves and how was strategically laid out in 40. Well, you actually had multiple waves you had the three waves of the protests but at the same time that's what we had coronavirus waves so we had media waves discrediting everything the president said and it was a pile-on that was crazy

34:32 And the world stopped, so you had nothing to do but fixate on it. Right You know that was part of it too Yeah That is like I'm stuck in my house all day and all on airwaves There's nothing worth... I'm bored in the house, I'm in the house bored That's exactly right. So I'm gonna watch the tick-tock And in that case, I mean in that clip they said three officers had his knee on his back Yeah, so they all see how the narrative change and not saying that Derek Chauvin wasn't the initiator and the main culprit in this situation What I'm saying is I thought it was ride and die together Right? No, I guess not

35:15 I've never seen it play out like that. I'm talking about from top to bottom, the law enforcement and justice apparatus turn their back on Derek Chauvin and i've never seen that before in my life And when I see stuff like that is like... That was too easy Yeah, you're making a good point So I'm just like, I'm the only speaker from my perspective. But I can see it from both sides because I seek to understand the other side of how people may see it so... I think we stopped at uh... We're going back to episode 59 Okay! We're going back to 59 this is restoring justice where we actually define when they say what I believe when Nicolte DeWalt says um Justice What They Mean they're not talking about

36:06 the law and how the law is executed. They're talking about their goddess that's in every courtroom around the world, and we're not talking about just in America she's around the world Welcome to Chasing Gods where we find meaning with symbols and myths To judge with justice is believed to be one of the top virtues by philosophers writers and artists of the ancient world from ancient Egypt to ancient Greece and Rome Justice has been personified by a goddess who not only belongs to the highest ranks of gods, but whose symbolism is even sought by them. You could imagine what justice must have meant to men. This goddess I'm talking about is Lady Justice. You've probably seen her but may not have paid too much attention. She could be a statue an emblem or figurine to represent justice in the legal system worldwide. She holds a scale, a sword and at times she wears a blindfold

37:01 I thought she always wore a blindfold. That's another one, I didn't catch the first time we listened to these clips sometimes interesting I did I'm glad you said it because I was gonna say it but I'm glad you picked up in there as well and neither one of us picked Up on it last time no And what I'm illustrating here is these if this information is pertinent What happens now because these people? the higher levels believe in this even though you may not believe in it. They believe in some wonky stuff. We have mythicism, Greek mythology... So when you go back and look at Epstein Island you have to see all the ancient Egyptian... Oh yeah the temple stuff! Yeah sure sure sure And all of things we laid out in the last 61 shows that point back to their affinity for Egyptian relics and signs and symbols

38:03 So I just want to lay that out there as well, that when they say justice because you're going to hear a lot in the next few clips. What my perspective what they're referring to so we stopped there and get back into NBC News 4. In the early hours of Friday morning St Paul police report nearly 170 businesses have been damaged by vandalism looting or fires Minneapolis Police arrest ex-officer Derek Chauvin and charge him with murder and manslaughter Charging papers state that Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Friday night, demonstrations continue across the country. Hundreds are arrested, police cars are burned and scuffles break out between law enforcement and protesters in New York Atlanta Los Angeles and more The governors of several states announced they will deploy the National Guard to restore order Yeah always those cities always those

39:00 Every time and they were like this is the big one. This is the so I have to look at this Like I'll look in 9-eleven and the people say maybe this was all planned if this doesn't happen If not 11 doesn't happen history's altered So just from that perspective you want to go out on that limb? I'm not necessary what I'm saying, I don't have any proof or any facts that lean towards it was you know a planned scenario but If something like this falls in your lap, the news media knows what to do with it. Yeah you know the way I... let me just interject for a sec and there's a reason for this so recently we had um a cop shoot and kill three people here in Austin did you hear about it? I did not. No uh shot and killed his daughter her boyfriend and a star football player for UT who had just been recruited A cop!

40:03 I think I heard this case. Yeah, black cop. Yay Problem But no i'ma tell you why I didn't hear it Let me give you where I did hear and why I didn't hear it. Mm-hmm. I didn't hear it in my race circle of where I gather information from, they tried to pin it off on the Manosphere MGTOW reason. Oh totally! Totally yep yep It was right away like sexual assault domestic abuse all this stuff and then he was a chauvinist pig but they did not play it up at all can you imagine? What is wrong with saying in the anti

40:47 a man circle they did, but not on the race channels. See what I mean? That's how deep it is like yeah he was anti-man you know. So the reason I bring it up... Anti woman excuse me The reason I bring it up is that I'm totally with you on its planned and I think the way it works is okay we're ready We've got everything in place all the actors are ready everyone we need we just need the right case And we've seen this several times. We saw this with Brown versus Board of Education, we saw this with Claudette Coven. She wasn't in the right case!

41:28 we needed Rosa Parks. You know, so don't... We can't... Exactly! And even if you want to go back to the Scottsboro Boys which I will cover in another show that's when the communists really got a foothold in race relations in America and it was like yeah well So I can just see how it goes down like holy crap this is a good one we've got video we've got nine minutes this is great what's the guy's name Chauvin? How do you spell it? Oh no no no no Chauvin make it Chauvin This is perfect I'm sure they would just jizzing all over themselves for that. Oh could not get any better so that, i think that was an addition later on. I doubt that was set up and premeditated but it just kind of fell into their lap I think And now this is where I geared the piss other side off Do I think Derek Chauvin got justice? No I did not because when you heard how

42:21 political figures were speaking before the verdict. That's not just by the definition of justice, that's not justice normally people say we will defer to after the trial is over to make comments that you've heard it all We've always heard this but you know stuff does creep in and I think the media they pushed it so hard right away when we started this very episode You actually said George Floyd was murdered Yes, I've always said Janine Pirro. Judge, let me put it properly respecting her name. Judge Janine Pirot we shared the same perspective that was murder one okay?

43:03 That was always my perspective. Because the reason why I say this, and this is from Law & Order First 48 Lifetime movies law movies legal education. Like I said, I don't read legal- It's as good as any jury in America has had? Well like they say perception is reality. And if I'm looking at it through the lens of how TV has told me how these cases are supposed to go Premeditation can be simple as man come home, find his wife in bed with her lover. If he pulls out his gun and shoots both of them dead that's not murder. But if he goes downstairs to the car smoke a cigarette come back up

43:47 Kills them that's pretended premeditated murder. Yeah, well he had some meditation Right what I'm saying is so by the judges Perspective he had nine minutes to decide. I don't want to do this anymore right right right? I'm not going off the imagery with his hand in his pocket doing the Colin Kaepernick kneel see that's another step like all of it is a lot All of this, man it's a major spell. It's a major spell cast on the world, not just America. The world because you had riots I said yes i said riots all around the worlds burnings all around the world in the name of justice In the name of George Floyd even? All around the world and in Holland they had signs No it was never about George Floyd Okay What what I'm saying this is what I'm saying it was never about George Floyd George Floyd was just

44:44 We're gonna get to what George Floyd was. It was that we have to do this and we're going push for justice, even when we got justice can't stop there. We gotta keep continuing on for justice right? It's like wait, we didn't even get justice you know I mean like and then we're gonna keep pushing forward but we should be celebrating it is like It's a complete mind screw. So where I'm going now is, and I have to put myself in this, if I'm on the hot seat and I'm on trial, I don't want political figures speaking about my case. So if I think anything of that for anybody else no matter what I may feel about that person they deserve a fair day in court

45:29 the right to, you know for political muscle not to be leaned on their case. Because if I think differently that makes me a hypocrite and what we do on this show is point out hypocrisy. Yeah for sure it's one of our strong suits So I'm going to go to Tucker Carlson, and I lean on Tucker for this one. And Tucker won. So there was a political context around this trial politics shouldn't have any effect on any trial again that's antithetical to what justice is but they did intrude at every level of this case we'll tell you how after the verdict Joe Biden declared that systemic racism is a stain on this country soul

46:11 A jury in Minnesota found former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin guilty on all counts in the murder of George Floyd last May. It was a murder, in full light of day and it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see the systemic racism that Vice President just referred Their systemic racism is a stain on our nation's soul. The knee on the neck of justice for black Americans, enough! Enough of this senseless killings today Today's verdict is a step forward

47:01 Systemic racism, a term that neither Joe Biden nor anyone else who uses it has ever defined with any precision whatsoever. But more striking is Biden's posture. You'd think he would be excited by this just this morning as the jury was still deliberating and President of the United States said he was praying for a guilty verdict I think it's overwhelming in my view. I wouldn't say that unless the jury was sequestered now and not hear me say that. And it's the reason why they had to do this because I think everybody or majority of America was on well if he gets his found guilty, nobody is going to cry for this guy. A very small population is gonna cry for this guy because it's like that.

47:51 Some people really feel that he should have been found guilty. Other people is like, well just to get things it's kind of like the vaccine just to get things back to normal you know what I'm saying? You can have them. We need him guilty. Well i mean everywhere this- People were saying this. I mean even Regina King at the opening of the Oscars she said well I'm glad that we got a guilty verdict otherwise would've had to change these pumps for marching boots Well thats the thing they they had to manufacture the outrage because there was If they would have just let it play out and not say anything, he's found guilty. People would have been satisfied and it would've just been the end market to this. What I believe in my perspective is they tampered with the case so then there will be appeal and you'll have a part two? Yes well yes and that would be Maxine Waters

48:45 Yes, so I'm just saying the whole everybody they were out here saying Okay hold on a second because this is a good point because I the the general parlance was Well, the judge made a big deal and it was televised and that's always important It's always important what the media shows. It was televised The judge saying well you know it looks like on appeal you've got grounds for dismissal because of congresswoman Maxine water statements and And the narrative on the right, I think was mainly yeah you know it's like the jury just gave it to him because he is going to get off on appeal. But really certainly from the mainstream media can't speak on behalf of the judge but the media is corrupt they probably set that up to have a one-two punch Is that every great fight? You gotta have a trilogy Yeah!

49:39 This is why, because if nobody would have said anything it would've just been yep go ahead and lock him up. It'll be story over and then you know I hate to put this out in the atmosphere but you know how it ends he gets the DOMA treatment and sale or the Epstein treatment. And it's just, it's over but its like no no no we gotta keep this thing going We got to give gas in because one reason you got 45 missing so your race sector and your news is saying that you have a huge void. And they only have about less than two years to do something

50:17 Yes, so they have to be foot on the pedal to the metal. So I guess we stopped off at Tucker 1 let's go in and go into Tucker 2 When was the last time a sitting president weighed in on a jury decision before it was made? Answer never The White House is asked about this just a few hours later and pretended that Joe Biden hadn't actually said what he actually said You're not able to clarify what is overwhelming the evidence, the case presented by the prosecution? We're not gonna get ahead of the outcome. I expect when there is a verdict he will have more to say. The president has talked about the importance of an independent judiciary why is it appropriate for him to weigh in on the verdict even though the jury did? I wouldn't think-I don't think he would see it as weighing in on the verdict He was conveying what many people are feeling across the country

51:12 Yeah, he was just conveying what many people were feeling. He wasn't weighing in as the single most powerful man in the world on a jury verdict that hadn't been reached yet. He didn't say what you saw him say Just an FYI First I know this is the three rounds but Chauvin's sentencing date set for June 1st and then after that then we can go for appeal So maybe we got a little sentencing fun to have first. It's the wave, it's like yeah the high, like the pro George Floyd crowd is on high right now and then the sentencing is gonna be the kick in the nads you know just like the Botham John case We've seen this before where the cop got convicted but when they came back with his sentence it was like 10 years

52:05 Then the double whammy is gonna be he's gonna come around on appeal. Yeah, I mean I don't I don't see a Hope it won't play out like I think it's gonna play out But then he loses appeal and then he goes in and gets Epstein treatment And it's like okay everything's wrapped up You know right good to go and I don't want to put that out in the ether but we've seen this play out Seeing it yeah, so just call them the trend of trend That's all we're doing. And then what they weigh that gaslight people, they knew what they were doing Joe comes out says it and then she goes like he didn't say that and it's like wait I just heard what I heard when I'm speaking from not from my perspective on speaking from the pro shoving side to say we heard what we heard him saying she's like he said yeah so it was constant gas lighting to bring the temperature up on that side

53:00 So this show is not really deconstructing anything. This show is a warning. This show...this show's gonna tell you what's coming, it's a prediction And I hope I'm wrong Yeah I hope I'm wrong but I understand how these things play out. I mean, i've seen it and what I mean by... Well you've seen it and you've tracked it my brother. You've tracked it. Well, I've seen all of my adult life where even a young adult, you gotta remember in 95 I was 15 years old starting and then Rodney King I was up you're saying of conscious age to see how that played out. So I see how these things playing out, but the only thing is the juice is on the other side now. But it's still gonna be the same outcome where nobody satisfied with the outcome and it just breeds more contention for each side because how this, how I see this ending one side pops off the other side mops them up and then that side gets mopped up

53:58 Well, isn't that how you want the script to always play out? If you wanna prolong it. It's convenient! Which I think like you said they're trying to keep this thing going into the midterms so they can motivate you... What i was not poo-pooing with the effect on the outcome of the election what im saying is that election decided which way this world allegedly is gonna go Oh yeah, the midterm is going to... there has to be a slaughter somewhere in the midterm whether it's the actual voting itself or something beforehand for sure. They're desperate these people are desperate they're desperate to get something kicking distract at all costs

54:42 make the people feel good. And we know your producers listen to us anyway, so you might as well go back to what episode? Early first ten maybe. Yeah first ten! We laid it out there which we say by the definition from Nellie Fuller white supremacy is a one world government and the hard thing about it It's kind of hard to be a truther and believe in if there's a globalist system and not believe

55:22 That's what we cover with Meghan Markle. It's not about color, it's a certain group of people that have power over everybody and as we always say it starts with us...it only starts with us! Oh yeah I'm well aware Moe, well aware So now I have an example how these things normally are handled when the trial is pending. I have Obama speaking on Trayvon I'm the head of the executive branch, and the Attorney General reports to me. So I've got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we're not impairing any investigation that's taking place right now. But obviously this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. And when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids

56:26 I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal state and local to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened. But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin you know if I had a son he'd look like Trayvon You know, I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and we're gonna get to the bottom of exactly what happened. Now is this not the speech that the president did at the time with a tear in his eye?

57:19 No, that was no one. I don't think he cried for Trayvon. He cried for Sandy Hook. Oh no, Sandy Hook. No black kids don't get tears coming come on Not from President Obama? No. Nah uh-uh. Which that... and I said that tongue in cheek but That was a sentiment like oh you can cry for them But you can't cry for them. I bet it was the sentiment sure And in this show I'm gonna expose a lot of how the sides felt You know, it's because what that reason why I'm doing is not for the emotional effect. It's for when you see something you process it and it's like okay that's how you wanted me to feel Okay? That's the initial hit! It's like wait... Why did you want me to feel like that? There was another funny thing about this particular case as I was looking at from my perspectives before we had met Was the fact George Zimmerman

58:17 and this immediate assumption as to him being white. And when he turned out to be Hispanic, it became a little more problem. He was white I mean, I know what you're saying. Yeah yeah exactly but that was still one That's how you get thrown...that's the narrative we can't let the facts getting in the way of a narrative No no no But why okay so why wasn't that an example of heinous brown on black crime? Because it's not a thing Like they're pushing on the black on Asian You see how that we see It is not a thing man Brown on black is not a thing Black on Asian that's a thing

58:55 We all know this. And we highlighted that how long ago on the first pandemic show we had, because I just got to point this out that what is her name? Your favorite lady from XM radio. Oh not Valerie Karen Hunter. No, she just came out with that weird statement about the kung-fu and it was you know completely racist And we had that whole talking point come up. Yeah sure and then now we see it in effect What's your thing? I'm just gonna cover this on another show but what you're starting to see is Asian people start being grafted into whiteness

59:41 Yes, they are. They're considered white adjacent as yeah, but anyway that's how you start out at the JB team. Yeah On no agenda we got tons of We got tons of, I call them the amps. The Asian millennial producers and they're telling me all this stuff so yeah no now we're white adjacent and they're sick of it man they think it's all bullcrap. Well that they are being abused made the victim yeah I mean you have to be the victim it's like okay now we can put you in the group but what I want to digress too much but I just wanted to lay that out because we did point out way ahead of time

1:00:27 Now we gotta go back, I believe we're on Tucker 3. Yeah he was just conveying what many people were feeling He wasn't weighing in as the single most powerful man in the world On a jury verdict that hadn't been reached yet He didn't say what you saw him say If that sounds like a familiar defense it's exactly what Maxine Waters and her defenders throughout Washington are using today After Waters threatened the jury with violence if it didn't find a guilty verdict We've got to not only stay in the street, but we have got to fight for justice. But I am very hopeful and hope that we're going to get a verdict that can say guilty, guilty, guilty! I don't know whether it's in the first degree but as far as I'm concerned its first degree here. Well we gotta stay on the street and we've

1:01:15 We've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we need business So there's a reason police were all over the streets and cities across the country last night, and it is that. It is the threat of violence. And Maxine Waters threatened violence before the jury had even begun to consider the facts of the case. That so far over the line that we read some Democrats were shocked by it and yet no one condemned it. That includes the president, and it includes most powerful people in the Democratic Party speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer of Maryland they came out in support of Maxine Waters

1:01:51 Yeah, it was truly bizarre. And no I mean I expected it and the reason why I said that is Maxine Waters Is The Perfect Pawn because you send her out she says incendiary things and then when she gets attacked like how are you gonna attack a old little black lady? What kind of animal are you? Auntie Maxine! But she's out there saying oh we got to be persistent and keep applying pressure It's like hmm I remember somebody else using language that it wasn't that incendiary and then it's like uh she got all bent out of shape over. Oh you mean President Trump? Yeah January 6th, so if you want to use the same standard and that's what you have to do if you want to be actually talk about real justice um not this

1:02:42 Worship they have going on but actual you know what this is the standard and we're gonna judge people fairly by that standard So it's like if you judged 45 savage that way now I'm gonna use that standard towards you and See how it pans out And if it is then your doing your inciting riots, and everything else you accuse him of I mean just saying by your own standard. If you don't want to believe me, my perspective on her standard. Let's go and get her in her own words." I have a question for you. Yes please. And we'll probably get to the $27 million that the city paid the Chauvin family, George Floyds' family which i think was also very corrupting or slash maybe intimidating or influencing any potential jury pool at the time

1:03:40 Do you feel that this has become for some families just like a, it's gonna sound horrible of me saying it but like a business model? Well they're not the business model. What they are are have you or your family been killed by cops if so call you know what I'm saying? Okay that's what I meant yeah called Crump and Crew. And they come in, and it's all played out. And Crump was like you see that crowd outside? You see that crowd outside I got... And what is really sad is knowing a little bit about celebrity being a celebrity being in the public eye. Oh man! It takes a lot of strength not to succumb to that. And you start-you will believe anything

1:04:34 When a crowd is chanting your name, and they're loving you and you're feeling that... ...and that vibe is going back-and-forth. You'll believe anything anyone tells you! But it's pressure, but also suppress pressure release valve because when the family gets the money It's like okay here family. Here's your script and they go out we forgive everybody We just want common peace and we don't want no problems And it's like okay, we could take the pressure off the riots you know You let the pressure out? And it's like you know what I We didn't get what we wanted and you know, he can turn up the heat again. And the pressure goes right back up in it but they don't want to really have their own no smoke. They don't run. I don't really want us mean they don't want it because if you listen to Maxine water she's like

1:05:19 Whether you believe it's murder one or not, why don't you come out like Judge Jeanine? You understand, come full-throated with this was murder one. And we did some bull crap that we didn't get murdered but it's like they have to be very balanced. Like if you think is murder one and I kind of think it was but if you give us what we want then we will tell them to stand down and that's another thing the fact that nothing happened after this verdict Nothing. That tells you somebody had their hand on the go button. This is not organic because you don't control organic like that.

1:06:02 Okay, not a window was busted nothing. It was just like all right We won yay you know it's like they bring out the fourth wave I always talk about that for way yeah That's the cover. That's the best thing that's the clean man. That's the you know. That's the bag man is those are the happy Dancing protesters like yeah we did it You know yeah, it's like in school stand back But I mean, to have that kind of control over that? That tells you that this is scripted and it's not in the form of... From the beginning. I'm talking about from the point it happened on. Now I'm not saying if could've been or couldn't be but I like to stay with the facts. Yeah we already established once you had the perfect scenario It was just fitting into the plan

1:06:54 So now we're going to go and listen to Maxine Waters in her own words. Did we already hear that? No, no, uh...no, we didn't And lastly Congresswoman I read something yesterday and it really struck me and has stayed with me written by a black person who said We are not asking you to shoot them like you shoot us. We are asking you to NOT shoot US like you don't shoot them You've certainly been in congress 30 years seen a lot What are your thoughts on the hypocrisy and double standard that so many are talking about in our society as far as if the rioters yesterday had been black, how the outcome most likely would have been much different? Well I tweeted something similar to that. And I basically tweeted if this had been Black Lives Matter

1:07:41 uh... out you know acting in the way that um... of the old keepers and the proud boys and a white supremacist uh... had uh... stormed our capital what do you think would have happened or do you think that you know in essence they would've gotten away with it And, you know I got the kind of responses where everyone was saying of course we know they said it in so many ways. Blood would be all over the place. They would be killed or they would be shot. Everybody believes and knows that blacks are treated differently even when their peacefully

1:08:18 protesting. And so we also know that, you know, whites feel more comfortable in their protests that they will not be shot and killed. So she's a double standard. I mean it is so it's so it's so thick hypocrisy. So think as she was speaking on hypocrisy about his body meta isn't brazenly metta. Yeah, I'm going to be very hypocritical about hypocrisy for a moment. Let's get back to Tucker and Tucker 4. That's so far over the line that we read some Democrats were shocked by it, and yet no one condemned it. That includes the president, that includes the most powerful people in the Democratic Party— Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer of Maryland — they came out in support of Maxine Waters

1:09:08 And then state media, literally state media public broadcasting system came out today with an explanation at the White House press briefing. Watch this propagandist explain what Maxine Waters really meant. Representative Waters as you said clarified she said my actual words don't matter I wonder why the White House isn't also coming to the defense of representative waters given that fact that she's now facing and onslaught of attacks especially by would say Republicans? and saying we back what she said about being confrontational. She was obviously not threatening violence, there are civil rights leaders that are saying that's what civil rights is to be confrontational to be active. Well she could also clarified her own remarks Yamiche and I think that's the most powerful piece to point too That lady works for you! She literally works for public television And there she is ardently flacking

1:10:04 For lunatic Maxine Waters at the White House press briefing. Well, it's all normal don't worry it has always been this way. It hasn't always been this way. Oh yes yummish there is nothing like a good yummish clip And for Maxine Water to say her words don't matter when the whole time of my reclaiming my time Reclaiming my time! This is all about saying what I say matters now and then it doesn't matter but she was sent out there Hold on hold on My time. My time. One more. Stop reclaiming my time. There you go So she was sent out there to be, to receive the target It's like I'm gonna say these crazy and we're saying these things that normally no politician would say pre verdict right? And then when he comes for me and of course this is a problem on other side

1:11:04 They're so predictable. You could almost write it's like you're going to hear censure and, you know what about isms and that kind of thing? It's when you become so predictable being your opponents can kinda pull you into where they want you to go. And that's exactly what happened. Um So I guess we can go in wrap up with Tucker with Tucker five And our leaders haven't always talked like they're seized by religious fervor. Here was the Speaker of the House today thanking George Floyd because he died in order to make the Democratic Party more powerful for his sacrifice, she said. Watch this

1:11:39 Thank you, George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice. Because of you and because thousands millions of people around the world who came out for justice your name will always be synonymous with justice. Unless we can change the law this will be an episode We changed the law were going down a different path all together So the guy dies on the sidewalk and here this lady comes out and politicizes it so completely that he becomes sort of Democratic Party saint. Thank you for your sacrifice, it's grotesque as a cult obviously. Yeah I was bizarre. It is a call. As a cult yeah. It was just bizarre man with three Justices

1:12:28 You were sacrificed, you were sacrificed for justice. For justice and I know what i'm saying but I want you to get in your mind that justice is another sigil because and imma reiterate my point we nobody got justice yeah so the republican sigil is liberty and freedom and for democrats it's always been justice yes justice. So now we gotta go back to show 48 because we laid out black men being the sacrificial lamb for other parties that come up and this dovetails well when we talked about the Asian aspect as well, when one group wants to move up they have to sacrifice black people specifically black man and it's cause for show 48

1:13:22 sacrifice one. So this lecture focuses on the ritual sacrifice of black men in particular as an instrument for creating a cohesive and unified body of people called white so in this development of the screen of racial contempt that I'm calling the first stage of sacrifice While it certainly includes the murder of African Americans, it was the murder of their humanity in the eyes of European Americans that was sacrificed in the development of white identity. More than just debasement, It was this symbolic murder of their identities offered up in order to engender another identity So Rene Girard

1:14:09 writes, the purpose of sacrifice is to restore the harmony to community. To reinforce the social fabric and that the common denominator that exists between behind all sacrifice is internal violence and the dissensions, the rivalries, the jealousies in the quarrels of the community by design are suppressed by sacrifice You know, I haven't been talking to many people about the C word about the cult. But man! I've been telling more and more people not specifically regarding this but regarding a lot of different things and i said it's a spell And whereas I think maybe probably pre-corona People would have looked at me like you're out of your mind but I don't even get that anymore just get up yeah Yeah It is kind of a spell isn't it?

1:15:06 Let me define how I'll define witchcraft. Witchcraft is nothing but control, when you want control over somebody else because that's what a spell is right? You might think one thing but I want you to think another thing so I cast the spell on you and make you go the opposite way-the way I wanted you to go So let's not get into the whole...not you..but I don't want people of mine to drift off into cauldrons and new eyes and that kind of thing No, that's Hillary Clinton! That's a different show But this, just keep it very simple. It's just that when somebody wants to control your thoughts mind control you know so what do they do? They cast a spell on you and the way and if you heard in this clip dehumanization the Democrats dehumanized George Floyd thank you George! Thank you for being a sacrificial lamb we can bring about more peace and justice and nothing really for black men

1:16:03 Nothing, I mean everybody else is gonna come up out as always say we open the door and everybody else goes right in. That's right And if you seen what legislation have you seen? None for black men nothing to protect You know If you want to say that who being attacked that's what the Democrats are saying But then there's nothing that changed our life but they know how to pick a victim Yes and and that's the genius of it then and they got one handed to him beautiful and The one that they chose to highlight He wasn't squeaky clean, so now with the strife... If he would have been a Sunday school teacher done the same way there's nobody who had an argument. You see it? It's not that's why they don't pick cases like that Yeah because then we can't play out the whole scenario with three rounds of uh of strife and violence and unrest Yes which all movies have that thing right you think is one way and it comes back the other way And then it comes back but not the turns I think what they call them you have the turns in the script

1:17:02 So, speaking of picking the victim let's go ahead and get to number 19A. So the system doesn't want us to go too far so it needs to find a way to blow off steam through the process they don't want to get rid of that intra-community violence but they just wanna deflect it before it reaches the doors of the elites. To deflect the violence that ultimately arises out of competition there needs to be ritual victim which is the third group. Someone who is marginal within the community, who does not represent a real threat of reprisal, who can't attack the system back. The dangers in this society are projected onto that victim." Wow man! I gotta go back and listen to all of episode 48 now. That was so good. That's a great clip

1:17:59 And that's what they've been doing. But now this is next clip is kind of a long clip, it's two minutes we try to keep it at 130 but I have to let this play all the way out so as fine for Nancy Pelosi go out and say George Floyd was a sacrifice but when a black man Neo tries to say this one year prior to when it happened actually his funeral, this is the response that he got Okay guys so peep this the third and final memorial for George Floyd at the 46 year old black man killed at The hands of Minnesota police on May 25th was held at the fountain of praise Church in Houston on Tuesday June 9th neo who attended a service and performed A song is now facing criticism after referring to Floyd as his sacrifice. This man changed the world Changed well for the better, so I just want to personally thank George Floyd for His sacrifice So that

1:18:52 Following his speech, Ne-Yo got visibly emotional when he sang Boyz II Men's 1991 hit It's So Hard to Say Goodbye To Yesterday in honor of the 46 year old Floyd. Even so, Twitter immediately pounced on Neo for his seemingly insensitive remarks. Many people couldn't believe he would say such a thing while others just implored celebrities to keep their mouths shut Here were some of the reactions Everyone when Neo said George Floyd's murder was a sacrifice? Neo Some of these so-called celebrities really need to reread their tweets before they hit that tweet button because when they assume They are tweeting something profound They just wind up making an ass

1:19:29 to themselves. Neo out of all the things to say you say that? Did neo just call the murder of George Floyd a sacrifice? Neo just thanked George Floyd for his sacrifice so his kids can be safe some of those celebrities really need to be quiet because woo child me after checking to see why neo is trending do y'all not know we don't allow you to act up in the black church who put neo in the pulpit who This pic is real, real life in the black church. Every time I see a celebrity trending, I just know they said some dumb NEO really? Neo was so choked up while singing he stopped several times to get through it man please! Neo said i'd like to thank George Floyd for his sacrifice yep you read right and neo with your ignorant

1:20:06 I just saw a clip of Neo saying he liked to thank George Floyd for his sacrifice. Was sacrifice, Neo? George Floyd was murdered! He didn't give his life to anyone His life was taken from everyone Why are celebrities even talking? Sacrifice? Sacrifice?! It was bloody murder! Neo should have just kept quiet Black male celebrities have been nothing but an embarrassment these past few days Nothing good coming out their mouths So the assertion here is He can't be a sacrifice for black men. No, no, no, no! It needs to be for the cause not for the black man We can't even weaponize our own What's wrong with you? Ain't that crazy?! Nancy Pelosi an old rich white lady can go out here and say thanks in the way she said it She wasn't even somber She was like thanks George

1:20:59 Wow, what is that about? And I have to laugh to keep from crying because people think we're making this up. If you could talk to anybody before they started listening to the show they probably thought black men were whiners but it's like no nobody cares about us because everybody uses us for their own purpose and congratulations that sequence of clips that you set up perfectly to roll into that one yeah we're gonna make a podcaster out of you yet Mo That was good. That was really, really good great clip! Alright so now we have MSNBC and this is I forget her name but she's speaking on Joy Reid show

1:21:40 And let's hear how they speak on George Floyd as a sacrifice. black and brown people asking for equality. This is still white NFL owners allowing black players to kneel, this is still white NASCAR owners allowing black players to wear Black Lives Matter, this is still white corporate power brokers at Starbucks allowing their employees to say Black Lives Matter

1:22:16 So for me, I'm still pretty angry about it. We're still in a space where we're asking a television landscape to please allow us to speak truthfully. Please don't sideline us. Please give us a platform to speak. I think in order for this country to have a true reconciliation and a true recognition of where we are and stop buying into a false narrative about who America is, we have to reimagine America. Previously we could only see what was possible and even that seemed out of reach in this moment We are seeing the impossible and power concedes nothing So this is a moment for us to take up ourselves and galvanize this movement and grab power so when I see the power structure start to shift where

1:22:58 asking permission to live, to breathe or we're not asking to hold on to our lives and to be allowed to pursue our livelihoods. Then I would describe that as a seismic power shift. We, we are we, yo yeah we, we know it's certainly not black men its black women and white women, women of color. Women in general? I mean like minorities. Maybe black men have to take a page out of the old women's playbook, Lissasatra, I think was that her name and just say okay we're withholding all sex That may work which you know what no and i'm not saying it tongue-in-cheek but that's really... It's not withholding sex

1:23:43 We're withholding and how you open up a can of worms there, but now I got to address it. There's an undertone going on now that um And i brought his name up before Kami Samuels He says women control the access to sex men control the access to relationships So it's like yeah, we'll date you but we won't marry so that is a real phenomenon It's going on right now and this fall over on the gender war front which was you know We cover their frontier of the of the world war. You know now we're in the race front but we always go back, you know the generational and

1:24:21 and the gender front as well. So that is being fought over there, it's funny that you said that but that is a spot on sir! Thank you for doing the work! We have a lot more work to do... Is that not being recognized by black women? Oh hell yeah! He has five to six women call on him every one of his shows showing that frustration with this. Like we'll date you but we won't marry until you meet our, and what I'm saying is we're not talking about all women here. We're talking about the strollers. You know the people like The Last Speaker that they want to pick and choose when they want to be feminist or whatever and it's like they can take their black off and on and it's like no I'm a woman

1:25:11 and I'm all for all women. And it's like either you're with this or you're not, and I always say that those kind of women and these kinds of people in general that use Black Lives are the minority but they're the loud minority so it sounds like everybody is saying this but what they're giving is a bullhorn by the mainstream media to make you think all black people are saying this when there's only a few talking heads. It's funny she would say The media won't give us permission. You know you had to clear every word you said with MSNBC before you got on that screen? Absolutely, absolutely! You better believe it he had two pre-interviews the whole nine Man knock that bull... but thats what I'm saying they can use sacrifice word Nancy Pelosi can use sacrifice word but when Neo says it and then he said George Floyd gave a sacrifice for his children not justice But you know so other black kids wont be killed or uh

1:26:06 So you can't say that. Was the media dragging Neo for that as well or just this one particular YouTuber, whatever? No it was all over it was well that but you know The media is led by social media so whatever they do whatever the narrative is on social media The media runs with that I mean only they don't have any creativity left and You know what People should appreciate that me and you could come here and have this honest conversation. We're in a vacuum, you know we don't really care what the outside thinks but we had to have these conversations and that's really the The bedrock of the Mo Facts with Adam Curry podcast so I just want to say that it is and And we take We take great a good example and great words is real

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1:28:26 And we start off with a very obvious... This is fantastic. Daniel Taggart sent us $1,000 and she has done this for a couple of shows actually. I just gotta read this note and then we'll understand what she was doing here so she clearly... Hold on! We had to put some respect in her name She's not the big baller she's the biggest baller No, I think she may be the biggest but now we might have to go check the records and we'll correct that statement if it's not. But I believe she is the biggest baller Does that make her a boat? What's that well if you have the goat which is the greatest of all time Come on man my one sports reference! The boat yes That makes her the boat She IS THE BOAT

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1:33:16 Okay, now we got a cult fan. Sorry we missed you last time A cult fan says good afternoon mo I donated for 44 and was looking like prior show I think 61 but just heard the donation segment my donation was not listed making sure it didn't get lost at this point I've sent a second 444 in another note since I thought my other one was already read Do you have any light? You can help shed on the situation Well, we fixed it We missed it I must add the book title of my first note is not versus but and as as in Freemasons and Catholics slash Catholicism, please reflect this in the note when read. Am I missing something about this previous note? It's to the right. Ah! Okay should I read this?

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1:36:27 I mean, well we've always said that and i think many producers have said that they feel the podcast is something that should be taught in schools. And um...I don't see why not you should put it together and I think we'd be happy to see that just make sure you've got our value for value details in there so anyone who gets any value out of it can support the work would you say that's the way to go Mo? And I would say that and also make sure she receives her value as well for doing the work. So, this is how this works. Oh absolutely! Well she gets put right in there of course that's how it works This is the beauty of the value for value model. You don't have to have any contracts, you don't have to have any meetings... It just kind of works out and as it turns out people really like sending value for things that they find valuable Just like your $250 which we very much appreciate Tiger Auntie

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1:38:00 Beautiful number. Hey Mo and Adam, since we last donated my husband and I bought a house and your good house Karma helped us do that! Alright It's it's really... We just play the sound but it somehow has something to do with the people listening And is the collaborative thing that makes that work? But so just don't want to take too much credit for karma It's the people One of my biggest dreams is building a ceramic studio. A ceramic studio? Our new property has a shed where my dad, mom and I have been working all summer and fall to make that 30-year dream a reality. Moe one of my favorite things to do is make art and listen to the podcast. I think about your full time job family and how you want to diversify your income with your startup project." Well hell yeah! That's the whole...that's the drive here We gotta get Moe out of his job we gotta do it having fun all the time

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1:41:47 $100 from Amanda L. Bates, dear Mo and Adam I will try to be brief but there's so much to say! First and foremost please accept this donation can i get a de-deadbeating? Yes of course you can love handing it out Congratulations You're no longer A deadbeat Please accept this donation for the immense value I'm receiving via the podcast It started with No Agenda made my way to Mo Facts around episode 50 And has started from the beginning To where I am now which is episode 17 To say my mind has been blown, my blood pressure has raised repeatedly and I have literally laughed out loud on several occasions is not an understatement. I'm a 53-year old white married female and I am embarrassed about the things that I didn't know At age 26 there was a new mom working full time trying to finish her college degree in the evenings. I did not want to take English Lit so opted for black literature course because it sounded really interesting

1:42:37 First class, the professor wanted everyone to admit that they were racist. There was no black students in the class She used an example of not wanting to walk in Harlem alone out of fear as an example I was a sobbing puddle in class because they felt like the most horrible human on the planet. I left her on break and did not, I left on break and did not go back. I couldn't just couldn't bear it. A couple of students tried to help but it was useless fast forward to COVID and where we are now? The lockdown forced me to deal with childhood trauma and abuse that I thought I had buried for good. It was a history that seriously created a lifetime of guilt and shame, and while it has been a good thing to finally face and deal with it follow-it up with this new climate if all white people are racist white guilt etc was too much

1:43:23 I refuse to feel guilty for which, for things which have no control over any longer and that is where my deepest heartfelt gratitude for your show comes from. It has been a saving grace listening to your honest conversations learning paying attention to agendas mind control etc has empowered me to trust that i am a good person with flaws but not inherently racist and will not allow anyone to call me that today or ever Please, please keep doing what you're doing. And if possible a little more karma would be sincerely appreciated Apologies for the length Much love and light from Mandy And she sends us $100 donation This is we actually need a new jingle. This is spell broken is what you just heard there spell Congratulations You're no longer a deadbeat and I make two observations right quick ones one. I want to point out that

1:44:17 If you make everything racist, then nothing is racist. That's right and that's why it's very important we understand that term be used correctly in two this goes to show you 27 years ago the cult of what was acted in universities. Yeah, you said you just created his critical race theory has been brewing under the surface for almost 30 years by this lady's account almost 30 years so that just go I want to point out those two things Wow yeah then that's just what we've documented Alexander Harrington donates $100, asks for a D dead beating. Got that for you

1:44:55 Congratulations, you're no longer a deadbeat. And that Dead Beat is for his little dishwasher lady get over it No matter how tired or hurt she is she keeps on going First through disability and having a disc replaced in her back and still did everything She could to help around the house She deserves to have all the listeners know she's not a dead beat and never will be Thank You Mo and Adam for bringing everything out on the table I wish it was this easy with everyone Hopscotch Wedding Dance Houston, okay. $100 on the impact of public funding and licensing on dance sent. It's a document they sent, yeah I haven't had chance to go through it yet but that is the document they sent. The impact of public grants and licensing on dance oh we'll have to look at that for sure i'll check that out thank you very much for the support Alexis Spina or spina SPINA 100 hey Adam & Mo in the first episode I listened to mo deconstructed the narrative to Black Panther and I've been hooked ever since

1:45:55 When I first saw the movie, I couldn't believe the plot was so blatant. What was even harder to believe was the promotion of the movie as black empowerment. After episode 61, I can say with all confidence this is indeed my favorite podcast! In my search for truth, I've sought out information from all perspectives and have found most insight coming from dialogue that you two have created with one another." It gives me immense sense of hope for the future of society. I did want to share one quick thought, I had during last week's episode when you were discussing Medea it reminded me of the goddess Medea. Medeia is the Greek goddess of illusion. I couldn't help but think that is what Medea... Medea is an illusion hiding their true form or working sorcery yeah? I agree with that and that made total sense to me once I saw on episode

1:46:45 And if you saw the Oscars... Yes, yes. Oh yeah! Doing that transformative thing again Of course Medea can also be related to media or just Terry Piler- Perry Tyler The religious element to the vaccine also reminded me of the fun Yes, the fun vaccine. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down if you have some time thank you both with all sincerity Alexis Thank You Alexis one more observation this is from my big homie OG truth there unplug them brother plug him he says that vials are interchangeable so if you change that in the eye and then second eat I it is media okay just want to make their point about case but right on target perfect

1:47:30 Lucky 8's here from Jacob Smith, 8888. The last show came at a perfect timing for me and my wife... Excuse me! We've both decided to not get the vaccine and it has been very difficult socially since we both got a mild case of COVID a few months ago and therefore no need for a vaccine My father disagrees and has told me that we are NOT welcome to be part of the family gatherings until we get vaccinated We got into a very long and very heated debate where he delivered all the talking points that I've heard for months on the pro-vaccine side. What's very disturbing is that my father would not admit that his opinion is just that, an opinion. He says COVID 19 is beyond all politics and this point of view was beyond reproach." He is right and I am selfish and inconsiderate Of course he has no time for any counter argument because there's no time to find out what mRNA is needless to say

1:48:19 This has shook me to my foundation and it's shown me how scared my dad really is. Without MoFax, no agenda the God, my understanding I found through AA in the community of like-minded friends I probably would have gotten a shot out of fear being disowned from my own family you provide an invaluable service and i love you too like brothers." Thank You Jacob! I'm having my own version of that with my family Which we can get into another time, but yeah. I may never see my aunt and uncles again Wow. Yeah, yeah I mean there was a family newsletter going around about how everyone got the vaccine and they won't go anywhere unless anyone's vaccinated and we're supposed to have my dad's burial which got you know he was cremated but he still in Holland then he has a burial plot in upstate New York in Armonk and so you know everyone had to cancel their trips so that's going to happen eventually

1:49:14 And you know, my aunts and uncles they're in their 90s now. You know the late 80's-90's I'm sure that they won't want to see me! I mean this is...I mean and the whole family is They're gonna think I'm nuts and I'm from Texas which doesn't help. And this goes to show you the power of a cult Yeah Notice if any other group would have said you know what? If you don't believe this and feel another religion yeah I won't be around you. I can't be around you. You would call it a cult. Yeah So I just want to point that out to people. You're absolutely right and it's amazing how odd it is, that even if you say, you know, I'll get a test... No no none of its good enough

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1:57:13 and ignore all other aspects of kind of reality in a way, and that you're serving a master that might not be serving you. And I always say I come in peace. I am not here to make people feel bad about their political choices but I'm here to say that you might be in a cult too if you don't know the signs. And I do believe Democrats most especially are in a deep cult that they really don't know about and aren't really aware of. And I leave the Republicans alone more because I do respect people more that are like, this is what we are, this is what we're about, this is what we're against. Whereas I find the Democrats

1:57:57 are really pretty much almost against all the same things. They're against changing the world for the better, and they're for keeping a system in place that is for so few people and benefits so few but they masquerade as the helpers. I'd forgotten all about that! Yeah It's not really discussed that often but i've forgotten all about her growing up in a cult it's so true And she says she has a superpower. So, I mean we always defer to the social matter expert? Yes! We break for superpowers Right Still waiting on mine You have super powers Moe you just don't know it that well yet but you got them Yeah so but Rose McGowan is not a severe evangelical staunch

1:58:54 conservative. And for her to cut you even she has some hesitations like well if you go deep down and so she wasn't even comfortable saying it but then came out said that they're a cult, which I mean I don't say that lightly because when you hear people say that their whatever the divide is my family won't deal with me because i'm on the other side of the conflict That's scary talk That is like telltale signs of just speaking back. Just my My Experiences when you have a family member like join a church per se and if you won't join that Church with them as I can be around new heathens, You know are you sinners? Yeah that kind of thing That's real cult talk and not see this semblance here Well hopefully she's going to tell us how to identify this well Let's go into 24

1:59:51 embracing in my life right now really just almost healing in a way not just for me but for so many others you know during the Me Too media period it was just triggers for so many women and men alike, everybody really. And it was a painful period for very many people as it was for me sure now and my persecution And awakening from being a Democrat was so much about what I do and what I say now, and so much about realizing how hardcore of a cult it is. You know, what's interesting is to the ability does to women and the people that says it's going to help them why haven't they achieved anything? Stop asking these awful questions Rose McGowan. I've been asking this same thing for 62 episodes! I mean where are the tangibles?! Yeah there you go tangibles

2:00:50 But that's what she is asking for, don't you see? And she used the word awakening. And we see these cycles throughout history called great awakenings I think were probably on our fifth one right now where people are waking up from this slumber that news puts you in and a spell it puts you under to say hold on wait wait! I'm gonna trust my eyes not what i am being told And it's very divisive, but I just want to...I think we're in the midst of another great awa- That was her words not my words. Yeah, I would even call it a renaissance You know and so I mean We're gonna come out of this with good things! We're gonna come out you come out of a renaissance with a lot of great things including great art

2:01:35 Well, we're going to go back to real facts. Real justice. Not these narratives that people mean when they say these words but actually let's put it on the table as way it up and figure out where what it is and what isn't not what we were told that what it is or what it wasn't so Her saying that about the cult, we got to go back to show number 32 because we talked about this before. This phenomenon and this was technology controlling your mind? I can tell you as a mental health professional someone who has been helping people get out of cults and mind control and brainwashing situations for 40 years

2:02:19 Constantly people are confused. What is a cult? What is mind control? What is brainwashing? Oh, my boss brainwashes me. Oh advertising brainwashes me The government brain washes me etc But what I'm here to say is actually...I want to present the model for you to think about A spectrum from healthy To unhealthy influence Healthy influence? There's informed consent. You know what you're getting involved with, you know about the person there is choice on the destructive side there is deception, manipulation and on a healthy side it respects your free will

2:03:10 It respects your conscience, where the unhealthy side is using guilt manipulation, fear manipulation and wanting you to become tranced out obedient slaves. And we have on this continuum some themes again this is not a binary of all or nothing this is a spectrum And my call to action is your minds are precious and only you should control your mind. Oh man, that's the ISO right? Really bumper sticker so that is yeah for sure who was this again oh I forget who that was That was Steven Hassan Steven Hassan from a TED talk I believe Yes yes yes I think you're right So

2:04:05 They're saying, it's this thing where something is going to kill you outside but go outside and protest. Don't respect social distancing but now that's over now go back in your house because something is gonna kill you outside and people are just like okay. Yeah then that really truly when when it was the It wasn't just Black Lives Matter. It was the protest, I think it was in Brooklyn or in another borough of New York and it was the LGBTQ Black Lives Matter concert when people were packed shoulder to shoulder...I mean that was clearly the moment when everyone could know that not just the coronavirus lockdowns and fear-mongering but also this whole Black Lives Matter Inc., they were both bullcrap!

2:04:55 And it was months ago now, I mean a year ago almost. And it's just fascinating that on the flip side of that if somebody didn't wear their mask and the cops roughed them up The cult to woke would say yeah he deserved it! He is putting the public in danger! Endangering people... Yeah you know your are in a cult when you don't see through that And that's the scary, I mean because i'm on the outside and when you talk to people that you've known for years. And then you try to point it out to them and their reaction is like wow like...and I think somebody said in a note previously that they just regurgitate talking points from

2:05:38 I mean like verbatim, it's... I can't call it anything else. I wish I could call that something else but- When I was a kid The way you would learn a language was with tapes, like a Berlitz tape. And you had it on your Walkman and you had your headphones on... You were repeating like a mantra. You were repeating whatever the instructor was saying on the tape and you would learn the language I'm sure it's still done that way to a degree but it was very specifically he has stuff in your ears It's subliminal

2:06:15 And now with all the noise that's going on around us, you're just doing this. You're literally learning the language of woke and you're just repeating things and you know... Just like these tapes when someone says Bonjour Lene! You know your Pavlovian response because you've practiced it is Bonjour Monsieur le Professeur So when its like say her name, say her name Say his name, say his name. No justice no peace These are mantras that's all part of this I'm all in on the spell stuff now That's so a part of the spell So much it's so obvious And it's not just us recognizing Now we're on you know We're on the leading edge of it but... But now is just like everybody starting to see it and its It's sad one way but it's fascinating another way

2:07:10 how well it worked and I'll reiterate this point, and it's kind of how I did the show in these order. It's some method to the madness that if we're not locked in our house 24-7 then I don't think the spell works as much but when you're ice... That's what a cult does is isolates you first. It isolates you from loved ones so Yeah, and that isolation doesn't have to be necessarily a physical isolation to proximity. Although six feet of distance helps but you can also isolate people by concealing their faces That as well but I'm talking about physical isolation because i think me and you don't really feel the isolation cause we're married they have family so you're not isolated I'm talking about the target audience of this cult

2:08:02 single people. People may have 7, 14 day runs where the only way they go out is to go to the grocery store and come back home and while they're at home their constantly being inundated with this information It's scary times man I don't want be a fear monger but... No we are all seeing it and that energy that isolation is being converted into very negative energy Well, that's the only outlet. It's like if you can go outside if you do what we want you to do and that's the only way you can get out

2:08:42 So now we've talked about mind control, now we gotta see how the mind really works. Now the actual process of brainwashing is somewhat disappointingly abstract and inconcrete There's no three-step guide to brainwashing your cult followers The process is more an art than a science so here's your scientific 3 step guide to brainwashing your cult followers The first stage is break people down You know, get them broken. So that's Rick Ross — no relation — and he is also an expert on cults He calls this process coercive persuasion since he is an academic and doesn't have to worry about clickbaiting YouTube viewers Say you get invited to a talk or dinner by a group of people

2:09:23 that you've never met before and suddenly you're like the center of attention. And everybody's showering you with affection, praise and interest. This is something a lot of cults will do because it's very irresistible to be at the center of somebody's attention." Making people feel special is an overwhelmingly great feeling that traps them in Overall, in this stage you need to as Rick says talk about everything negative in the world negative in their life put a lot of pressure on them to crack and break. And then second change them once they're in that broken state introduce your ideas

2:10:07 Jeez. That's so good. Let me show you how this works! Here is the manual. Hey black people, I know you've been ignored but here is your chance for all of corporate America to see you Black Lives Matter We're going to give you equity Now it's like okay then they break you down It's like standard practice It's mind control 101 And the thing is people say well, why don't they see the pandering? Think about flattery. Yeah is even though you know it's a lie You like it you like yeah, yeah It's somebody cuz of I hate you lost some weight and you know you put on weight Well that's still gonna eat it up right and so that's kind of back to my to my business model question Yo families like they get all this Attention and adoration and then they get caught up in it and it's just oh

2:11:08 Regardless of what they win. You realize you didn't get justice right? If you say that, you might get beat up or something. I mean all i'm hearing is we have more work to do Well thats the beat down It's like you won for a minute and now they're gonna beat you down again No no no there'll be no celebration We have more work to do Lots more work to do Mind Control 3

2:11:48 As a cult leader, you'll probably have some sort of mission for your followers whether it be political religious or something else. The second stage is where you fix it in your follower's minds and people won't necessarily accept what you say immediately because if you're a cult leader You're probably saying something controversial something novel Something anti-conformist along the lines of doomsday is coming or let's kidnap people Or hand dryers are the work of the devil. They're loud, they're slow and you know what? You probably think that they're better for the environment but the optimistic studies say that they're only 20% better while some others say that they're not even greener at all Did you know that hand dryers actually increase the bacteria on your hands by a hundred and seventeen percent? You're better off not washing your hands at all Hand dryers kill! That was just example

2:12:36 Let me be clear, we're not just talking about Black Lives Matter. We're talking about one of the biggest cults is the green... Green... You understand? The climate change, climate emergency. Climate change! And it's prophecy! It's a religion! The world is going to end in 12 years. Ooh that's a good way to say when someone says it oh I didn't know you were religious Watch their brain fry. That's exactly what it is, a prophecy! It was like worship proof. It's like the elders said it. Yeah yeah I like that, I'm gonna use that from now on. Wow I didn't know you were into religion? Speaking of which so how did they get you here and now we gotta go to one

2:13:23 And I'm not saying this, but I've got a lot of feedback on this. It was the show I wanted to do for myself, Show 55 Trapper's Delight where we visited the victim mindset. How do you stop these mindsets from becoming mind traps? No one likes feeling trapped. Can you remember the last time you were trapped? The problem is we have these thoughts and our thoughts fortunately and unfortunately can create feelings, feelings both in the here and the now. And it's not necessarily what happens to you but it is the messages that you give yourself about what happens that determines your feelings and no only do our thoughts create all of our feelings but the thoughts that defeat us are almost always fraudulent or wrong or distorted or illogical and sometimes they can form a cycle mentality that becomes

2:14:18 A trap. So how do you know? How do you know when a mindset has become... ...a mind trap? There's an ancient Greek philosopher named Epictetus who said this, that we are disturbed not by things but by the view in which we take of them We think it is the circumstances that are disturbing us But no! It is our view of them That actually disturbing us Oh yeah I'm all-in on that It's perception, not reality. That's why you can have somebody that is 250 pounds 6'9 and has almost a billion dollars to say they're scared to go outside. And many people believe it! Oh man yeah sad... No I mean just think about that- You have all the resources, you have the physical strength uh not to be harmed if you choose not to be, you have the resources to put protective

2:15:13 around you and you sell or either your selling, or your buying. I don't know which one at this point but who am speaking about is King James but I told you they were going to be on his head and the fact that he didn't come out and say he was going to publicly support the vaccine that is part of the scrutiny he's receiving right now. Don't get it twisted. Do not get it twisted and I'll say this, the day after that when he made that errant tweet just put it lightly. He had to drop a pro COVID podcast episode. The first of his kind was non-sport yeah. Oh bro I missed that. The more than an athlete yeah podcast yes.

2:16:07 But they need that. But now we gotta go into cult leaders and Bob Woodson tried to warn us about cult leaders First of all, you cannot generalize about the black community anymore any other people. We are not monolithic we have difference in education difference and income and When it's convenient we generalized The black community and we use the demographics Of those who were living in the most troubling situations we use the demographics of incarceration of low-income

2:16:44 housing, we use that demographic information to make a case that all blacks are suffering. And then when the money arrives It goes not to the people suffering the problem, but those who are providing service. For instance in the last 50 years, the government spent $22 trillion on programs that aid the poor. 70 cents of all this dollar go not to the poor but those who serve poor people they ask which problems are solvable and which ones are fundable Then you have black elected officials many of them were veterans in the civil rights movement Who then came into political office

2:17:23 They were the ones who were dispensing those funds. And listen to this, two out of ten whites with college degrees works for government. Six out of ten blacks with college education works for government which means that a vast amount of money that has been spent on the poor and that has produced and reinforced dependency have been administered by a lot of middle class blacks. Don't look at Baltimore! There's your cult leaders. Isn't that the missionary model? We go and collect resources on them saying, of the lowest. Send money to Africa, send money here there... And the money never makes it to them The only cult that does it with rich people is Scientology

2:18:20 Yeah, you're right. But most of the missionary model is set up not taking shots at any missionary I'm just saying that's the model that we're collecting money on behalf of the downtrodden and and that's what happened entered one Miss Patrice Cullors So I want to pivot to the reason why you're here. In the last few weeks, there have been stories that have become very prominent in the national media around you and particularly around issues of spending issues of income specifically. There were two stories that came out that talked about you purchasing homes report you reportedly purchased four homes and we're looking even at another home

2:19:01 I believe in the Bahamas there were conversations about how you spend money. And the stories also had a lot of innuendo about the relationship between your money and your spending, and questions around BLM global movements finances So first thing i want to do is talk about what's true that has been said? What has been untrue I'm curious. I want to start thank you mark, I want to just start by saying something that's really important for people to hear and that's I have never taken a salary from the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. And that's important because what the right-wing media is trying to say is the donations that people gave to Black Lives Matter went towards my spending, and that is categorically untrue and incredibly dangerous

2:20:00 Huh, that's an interesting framing. I'm not so sure that that's what people were thinking honestly She said I never took a salary She was very specific she said I never- she didn't say I never took any money Yeah salary, well done Moe She took Black Lives Matter stocks ticker BLM You know what I'm saying? That's what she took. Not a salary, and you know, I didn't get rich off the donations She is very careful how she...I mean almost to the point of a politician. Not just almost Totally

2:20:37 And then she starts out, let me say this. Oh thank you Mark for... Very performative and this is very important so what I want you to focus on it's not really the truth just a fudge. This is how tone deaf they are or maybe she is just a way of Humiliating and demeaning her followers. She's on her YouTube channel doing hauls Do you know how old are? Halls a cha uls Paul yes, yeah is a hall is that related to a drag no what happens when you go shop? Shopping yes when you go shopping and get all these you know lavish

2:21:27 Things. Really now? Oh Adidas, yeah adidas sent me these shoes Thank You Beyonce How did adidas know your size Wow And these are the kind of things I have to cover on the live because you have to see them. You gotta see it to believe it, I'm sure! You have to see them in the visuals that go with it. On her YouTube channel... Thank you Beyonce for sending me Adidas or whatever shoe company she went with. Wow. Yeah. Is that to demoralize? Or is that just to...? Well, yeah. She's got that Netflix exposure coming up. She's got Hollywood kissing her ass. Yeah, that's perfect. That's how you do it. She's an influencer as well

2:22:08 Colors too. So you haven't taken a salary so your income that you use to make whatever purchases You've made have come from outside income and you mentioned on your IG and other people have talked about speeches studio deals Book deals for your book when they call you a terrorist, your income has not come from working directly with BLM GM That's correct. Yeah, I'm a college professor first of all. I also am a TV producer and have had two book deals. My first book that came out was a New York Times bestseller

2:22:47 And I also have had a YouTube deal. So much of my, all of my income comes directly from the work that I do but I also want to say something Mark that feels really important. Organizers should get paid for the work they do. They should get paid a living wage and the fact that right wing media is trying to create hysteria around my spending is frankly racist and sexist. And also I want to name that many of us who end up investing in homes in the black community often invest in homes to take care of their family, so homes that I've bought directly support the people that I love and that I care about

2:23:41 Well, now let me just think about this. In mostly white communities I have to say that. Of course you know where she's gonna go. Fair point! It is a fair point for her money however she got it...I don't know No it's not. Not for me. The reason why I'm saying this is You say your Marxist You say you're for the people, you speak in terms of living wage. But your buying four homes all across the globe and these neighborhoods that you say that the oppressor lives in but you don't mind being the neighbor of the oppressor and going to the oppressive Starbucks and take money from... And we know how these book deals work come on! I mean she's hypocritical for sure

2:24:37 What she said there was factually like, alright you can spend your money whatever you want on. It's just it's a hypocrite and she comes across as the hypocrite in the whole movement seems hypocritic And it's not discussed really at all. I don't even know where this was from, but that probably was not some mainstream chat she did there. No they tucked it away! Of course they tucked it away on this... That's Mark Lamont Hill and he is on a YouTube channel news station. Not to knock it. I'm going to be honest with you because I am really irked right now She's not a friggin' creative. She makes nothing creative

2:25:18 Nothing we saw that bull crap stuff that she done and she has an ad now the electric slide against white supremacy of some crap She's a cult leader. Oh stop is what she is She's a cult leader We've seen it before we see all the time, but now he just irks me because I They collect money on behalf of people and the money never makes it through. I see what you're saying, okay yeah okay i gotcha she is David the David Koresh of BLM or Jim Jones. It just irks me and we know where your money really comes from 32

2:26:05 And I have a very, very specific idea that we need to explore seriously which is that the anti-Bernie Sanders tinge of the Black Lives Matter movement recently could be George Soros funded AstroTurf. And I will speak as specifically as possible Lewis and then I will allow you Lewis to tell me what you think about this It's widely on record that George Soros, the liberal billionaire has poured a ton of money into two movements that were instrumental in creating Black Lives Matter and The Buzzword. Dating back to January we knew that George Soros spent over thirty million dollars bankrolling Ferguson demonstrators and of course Ferguson relates to officer Darren Wilson who killed unarmed teenager Michael Brown and was ultimately not charged this includes

2:26:55 support by George Soros of groups like Color Lines News for Action, Organization for Black Struggle which established itself then established the Hands Up Coalition. Soros also gave money to the Drug Policy Alliance which worked on pushing Black Lives Matter as a buzzword which has since been incorporated into speeches by political figures including Hillary Clinton Oh man. That's David Pakman, a liberal. Right how quickly we forget and what she wants to do and that's from show number seven more money more problems that shows you how long we've been saying this show 7 we're at 30 or 62 excuse me We pointed out the point is out a long time ago in this thing the thing is

2:27:45 Everybody has contempt for these mega preacher, mega church preachers Joel Osteen and the people of that nature. They're doing the exact same thing is this accent you plan on people's emotions to collect money from them and you go in his foundations and these corporate companies to say we can sell you it was a thing that Catholic Church used to sell to sinners to say, you know what? We know you sin but you can buy your way into heaven. And that's what they say to these corporations and I gotta bring this up it was another one another lady named Tamika

2:28:22 Tamika Mallory, she's got in with the Black Lives Matter ilk and she doing Cadillac commercials at the same time GM had a case going on where they had nooses hanging in their one of their facilities and the people were called boys. And you're saying all kind of stuff so how do you go and do that kinda thing? It just irks me because at the same time a person like Neo can't say a black man sacrifices his life for his children He shouted down, but y'all sell that privilege to a Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party. That's bullcrap! Yeah well we need someone to be speak- Well whenever someone speaks up they're you know like Kanye, called nuts shoved back in the corner shut up Of course yeah that's what part is there If you want to have a fair conversation let's have a conversation on the facts But it's no

2:29:22 That's not how it works and I'm gonna say this. They're nothing but cult leaders. And they have a mega church called BLM, that's all it is and then you have in Tifa you have all these different mega churches whether it's global warming or whatever else. Well even BLM has spin-off churches they've got little subdivisions just like the mega churches. Mega churches have to have churches in other counties as well. Franchises! Exactly they own it yep Wow. And just to give you an example of a mega pastor 33

2:29:58 I have sinned against you, my Lord. Okay TV evangelists can be a little over the top but Creflo Dollars' appeal for a private jet may take the cake. We are believing for 200 thousand people to give contributions of 300 US dollars or more doing the math that's 60 million dollars. The head of the world changers mega church in Atlanta asked video, dubbed Project G650 as in Gulfstream 650. Duller's already a high flyer. We're about to land in Nairobi Kenya but it seems his current jet built in 1984 is showing its age engine trouble on the flight to Australia and more recently when his wife and daughters were taking off from London he went off the runway It's not like a car where you can pull over on the side when something goes wrong

2:30:53 And I knew it was time to begin to believe God for a new airplane. It didn't take long for the story of the Jesus jet, as some have dubbed it, to take off and not in a good way This woman is a former parishioner. She showed up Sunday to protest, but got told to leave church property. I didn't have a jet when I was here and now he has one and he's asking for another one But Parishioner Mary Jones who takes the bus to church says she'd happily give two dollars Jet Drive Most definitely most definitely we support our pastor that's what we're here for

2:31:30 Oh man, you know. Now a lady catching the bus trying to pay for a past 65 million dollar second jet Well hold on hold on it was the Jesus Jet I gotta give the guy that branding is great Here's the thing though this is CNN covering this story and this what I'm talking about justice if we're gonna be just Then we need to come at her the same way we came at him. Because they're running the same scheme and you're victimizing the same people You have a little black lady here riding the bus and giving money to a mega pastor And the mainstream media is just... Now did they excoriate this guy? Did they make fun of him? Of course, they did! He's a black man! Come on! Adam, come on! Oh my goodness It's fantastic

2:32:24 Well, we don't have no Jesus yet. But we do love us some new money! I like brand-new money. I just...I don't want any money around me that's not... I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20. That's kind of dumb isn't it? There is something about new money that excites you. You like $100 bills? Oh yeah. I like new money too. The most beautiful thing on earth is the hundred dollar bill. I haven't seen a woman as good looking as the hundred dollar bill. There is something about a hundred dollar bill that excites you Oh man, we really need to study those steps those guys take. We don't have a Jesus yet but we do have much more important to the MoFact show

2:33:06 We do have a number of producers who came in under $50 who we do want to thank and that's a lot more impactful To us than some Jesus jet Thomas Gilkyson is riding our Jet here Tommy G sends a cult 45 for 45 savage donation with $45.45 Thank You Moe and Adam and to my brother Jim for passing the blunt all right Steely Simey? Steelie Syme, steel, steel. Steele Symes? I think it's Steele Symes. Steale Symes okay there we go 33666 thank you Mo and Adam. Steel from Melbourne Australia Curtis Thomas sent $35 thank you Curtis Vince Tillman 3333 just caught ya on live on YouTube great stuff ah yes is the Mofax interludes

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2:40:32 All right, now we're here. Yay! Home stretch everybody You alluded to it earlier Now we have the address the pink elephant in the room and that was that's George Floyd drug use which this has been a very contentious point and very divisive point in people seeing eye-to-eye on this situation so what I want to do is Since the media has done everything to dehumanize George Floyd from being caught of, uh, um. Everything under the sun including a sacrifice I want to get perspective from the addicts perspective because clearly and i want to give this 100 i want to keep we got to keep it 100

2:41:16 Clearly off the videos that we saw him in the store, he was under the influence of something. I can't say what it is and then I mean, of course with the test as well but that doesn't dehumanize a person That doesn't make... But! That thing-that I believe gives people certain people when you have an addiction to treat you like human trash And that's not cool. That's not cool at all because these are people and if you ever have family members they struggle with addiction You know they're struggling. I think that got lost in this whole thing, and i just want to give perspective and to do that there's a source called the soft white underbelly And they go to skid row and they actually interview people off of skid row They don't bring them in, they actually set up on skid row and interviewed them there In it they interviewed a heroin addict named Kevin

2:42:14 All right, Kevin. Kevin where'd you grow up? Where are you from originally? I grew up in South Los Angeles area and the neighborhood of Crips Raymond Crips. Were you in gangs as a kid? I started gang banging around age 12. And tell me about your family. You grew up with both your parents Yes, I had both my parents in my life and middle child How was your childhood actually on my childhood Ashley on my group in a well-taken care of family actually. Like I said, i'm a little child we have an older brother and younger sister you know as a little child you know y'all that week I felt neglected which is probably not true I just felt that way yeah you know it took me towards uh

2:43:08 other routes. Yeah, exactly. Tell me about your life after you joined the gang? Actually let's take it back right before then I actually was on the right path you know good grades I made down the road You know, one of the top students in my class. Until you know who you hang with is who you are that's the model and it's actually true. I hung with certain kids in a neighborhood and I got used to that lifestyle And it took me to get um... To take a bullet to understand that life is real

2:43:54 Gosh So here we have a guy comes from a two-parent household Smart kid, but just caught up in the wrong crowd. Mm-hmm and his life spowers out of control I guess we can go on to the clip too. This is when i was 14, it was the first time that i received a couple of them you call this the uh... tibia and um... it shattered the bone actually and um... the bone exposed to the air which caused me to have what they call osteomyelosis which is a bone infection osteo means bone myelosis mean infection

2:44:38 During the time of my bone infection I was prescribed narco and first time. I ever took a narco one that first that first nor go that first pill I Told myself wow, I love this shit And i'm addicted I swear to God till your first time I felt that when he kicked in I felt that high I said this is how like no other and every since then man I've been chasing at high you know you know it progresses from narco to actually starting biking into narco, from narco to percocets. From percocets to oxycodone without the Tylenol inside the problem. Oxycodone just straight dope and what got me really on it was

2:45:29 The street value of Oxycodone 30 milligrams in South Los Angeles, the street value is from $15 to $20 a pill. And that's if you're seeing a lot of pills and wholesale price, 10 dollars 12 dollars but anyway I was able to get my hands and get that pill for a dollar Oh man! Oh yeah That's Purdue for a big farmer Purdue pharma who paid a couple billion dollars in fines you didn't hear about it They were all found guilty murder rule Yeah, of course no No because if we go and find Hoffman's right drug dealers. Yeah

2:46:23 And there's this myth or misconception that there is not an opioid problem in the black community and there is. This is another one of those things where the way the media frames it, they're white people struggling... White trash, middle America Right but then also say well their struggling with a problem When it was crack, it was like they're animals. They're super predators there you know what I'm saying? Of course! The way they frame that is not because of who's doing the drugs It's because who is selling the drugs The fact that they would have to perp walk doctors and ain't gonna happen cuz doctor had lobbies This is such an important connection you're making between the... Give me again what its called? Felony murder rule

2:47:20 That is such an important connection you're making here. Now that's some white supremacy right there. Systemic racism! When you don't have, when you haven't seen a doctor... You know what I'm saying? A rash of doctors perp-walked. Where are these people getting these...? And then you heard Kevin say himself, narco to Percocet from Percocet to Oxycodone. Yeah that's the past. Then he said it was in the streets cheap, a dollar appeal And I want to show you another thing, the reason why I use pink elephant. Pink Elephant is a mix between fentanyl and heroin which is eight times stronger than the regular heroin which it takes four to five doses of Narcan to pull people back. And guess what? The Narcan prices have went from six a dose to $30 a dose. It's crazy! Of course...of course

2:48:19 Wow, you see here that give you the cheap dope and even a cheap solution. And the one dollar pill it's the same pill It's just they're just selling it cheap on the street right? That's where they get these abundance appeals from Yeah with again from the pit from the pill mills from the doctors who would who'd just buy that shit up That's what people were convicted I mean paid a fine for. No one went to jail, but that's exactly what was happening they were selling stuff really cheap through these pill mills and then it just went into drug dealers and then would they could charge whatever because the pills are almost free to manufacture. And then when their inventory dried up, the prices shoot up? Yeah, then you start...then this shit starts happening

2:49:05 Then they have the addicts for lack of a better word, they had to find cheaper resources. Kevin three. So you can imagine me able to get my hands on that pill for $1 and go crazy and go nuts so once I lost that value at dollar value start experiencing withdrawals and being sick dope sick Never thought that I never thought our experience. I never thought I'd get to that point. I never thought that it happened It happens, you know You better fucking be dead man. You rather be dead than feel that feeling that dope feeling then so I felt that that that dope sick I knew with opiates years and I knew that heroin is an opioid

2:50:02 And I knew that it is actually also affordable. So by me knowing, knowing that's I know about Skid Row downtown Los Angeles. I decided to take a trip down here and the first person I encountered man asked where you know where the dope? Where the hell Ron? First place I encountered he had it. I took that dope Went home, I'm by myself. With nobody, nobody got me on this so I went to the house and believe it or not we got these Android phones so I went to YouTube. And um... I'm trying to see how the hell am I gonna do this drug? Oh man! The cartel is complete with YouTube instructional videos How-to

2:50:53 Now if you say don't wear this or don't take this, they pull your videos down. But if you tell people how to shoot dope... Leave it up! Oh yeah go ahead How-to It's educational And what he saying? He made that transition not out of choice I'm dope sick Yeah I need affordable replacement for the high This gateway drug You know what im sayin' That he didn't start getting high cause he wanted too because he got shot and he started taking prescription medicine. Yeah, a lot of people- It just progressed! And I just want to put something else on other people's minds... I know i'm talking a lot but I want to stress this if you're about to be arrested and your addict and you know you're about have six days the hell You gonna flip out? You might think about running yeah it's like gotta give it honest try because I know in the next six days in this cell is going to be hell Mo congratulations yet again

2:51:55 Putting a human face on George Floyd in this manner is spot-on and everyone should think about it because now the movie's replaying in my mind, not the nine minutes of the knee all the stuff before it when he's crying and I don't want to go and I can't get into the car knowing that he's super high and he knows what he knows. It's only going to go one direction for him with that feeling And this is a common occurrence when people know they're about to go to rehab or detox, wherever else. They take all the drugs they have

2:52:33 And you can see that on the show, and I'm solely speaking. I don't never use hard drugs like that so i'm only speaking from what I've seen but you could see a show called Intervention once they know they're made the choice to go to rehab then they binge out real bad it's time to party yeah it's time to put you know is shit I'm going to jail I might as well you were saying you know how this one last ride mm-hmm but that's human yeah I mean I have to say this stuff because This is why nobody got justice because if you go and arrest drug dealers, if George Floyd would have been found innocent where they went with me on the Chauvin would have been found innocent. Would they wouldn't have found George Floyd drug dealers? No. Because he's a nobody in their eyes but Hoffman we gotta go find it. You know why? It's not because he's a celebrity. Is because he's a commodity to these big Hollywood studios. He's valuable

2:53:33 I'm sure he had insurance on him. This is, this is... Man, I was trying to say but this is what we have to look at. Your point is very clear it's really good Moe very clear Kevin Fourr I was trying my hardest stay away from that needle man But I didn't like those two options And uh..I got a grandmother who's a diabetic man and already had needles in the house It was already in the house So I got on YouTube I'm held you are banged is how to us lamb is found their first try minutes it shot that bloodshot shot up in the shot right up in that syringe meaning here go pushed it ten seconds

2:54:22 Five seconds, 10 seconds. That rush was a rush man like no other I swear to God to you that rush was 20 100 times way more powerful and way more better than that first Norco I told you I took. Even though shit I knew it was over. I fucked up, and I knew I wasn't going back to pills that first time I banged it. I knew I was not gonna take another pill again but I thought to myself...I took so many pills I thought I had fucked up my kidneys and so I probably almost thought I was doing myself a favor Wow Moe! So I just did one YouTube search how to shoot heroin right away three videos one of which is published by CNN

2:55:13 And another by the public provincial health services authority preparing your drugs. This is all Vancouver Oh, it's just injecting speedball Holy crap Well that makes nothing anything out of line Yeah as far as medical anything else medical well there's something there's something to be said about for the amount of times we are confronted daily in the media with a hypodermic needle being plunged into somebody's body, in relation to this. You know? It's very... it's ummm.... you're uh what's the term? Desensitizing! Very much so. Probably going to be a lot easier for a lot of people to shoot heroin now that they've been desensitized to the needle

2:56:08 Oh, we're getting there. We're getting there. And another thing I want to point out what Kevin said he says, I would rather die than be dope sick. So that means he will rather kill them to be dope sick you see how that works? Yeah, I'm not saying him personally but it's life or death if your suicidal you can easily become homicidal two sides of the same coin perhaps Yes, because it's between me and that doe I gotta have it. And I don't care who mama grandma whoever else and these and then this is the thing those are real people to get victimized by you know abuse or drugs their family members Yeah, no, I mean we thought the deal cuz like well, I know they won't call the cops on me

2:57:07 It's crazy. And then you have this guy, another cult leader Dr Carl Hart come out and say well you know shooting heroin ain't all that bad People are they have this idea of someone who uses heroin is some poor soul who is injecting the drug and is a slave to the drug and they think that heroin is the reason for that person's problem because that person definitely exists but isn't, the person's problem is not so much heroin as everything else like a person might have co-occurring psychiatric illnesses. I always hear people say well chasing that high I got the first time did I use it but that's a real thing? Is that a real thing because I've heard so many people say that on documentaries Yeah no because we are willing to accept that right

2:57:51 It's certainly true like just think of the first time you enjoyed an orgasm. It was amazing For me the first time it's like am I chasing the first time? I had an orgasm No, of course not but although I do that feeling I'd like to kill me What what orgasms can't kill you certainly? Um, what do you guys think start with you ye I mean, I understand and he was stressing that he was not telling people to use drugs. He was saying for people that do use drugs they're gonna do it anyway just like a lot of people do things you know you shouldn't do but it does still happen so how do you make it safer for people to do it? They didn't make me want to try drugs or wanna use heroin or anything like that Him saying that he used drugs and he wasn't addicted

2:58:33 makes it kinda seem like it's okay in what he said. I'm from a different school, I know there are some parents out there that be like hey my kids are gonna drink anyway rather than drinking at home! I am not that parent my parents weren't that parent no you're not drinking and your're not drinking in my house and if I catch you drinking imma bust ya ass Agreed yeah It's very dang he's a doctor. I don't think he's a medical doctor, but he said maybe a Professor or have a PhD, but he's a doctor so you know how is not all that bad Um, you know that myth of uh exactly what Kevin said. There's an actual Skid Row addict that actually has a ulcer on his side of the football on his arm? An open wound he shoot dope into Oh no! He don't know what he is talking about But again going back to Kevin in the beginning That yeah...He was a great student and just by... Well he got shot That could be my son Two parent home Good kids Smart

2:59:35 Just get caught up with the wrong people, get shot in your life because you were given pharmaceutical drugs without the appropriate I guess... I don't know. Education? And it's not like the medical industry didn't know heroin was addictive. We went through this in the 20s and the 70s, you know what I'm saying? It's not like we didn't experience this before and they just come around with a saying oh you know that heroin might work! You went to school for 10 years, you can't figure out giving people heroin might have a problem Oh man, it irks me because you have these smart people come along. But you know heroin's not all that bad I shoot up every once in a while It's interesting to see that the common denominator of issues in the United States but I would wager its global we have

3:00:30 And it's part of the homelessness problem as well. So we have a real drug problem in the United States, heroin and one way or the other I think the introduction is probably most often pharmaceutical We have Black Lives Matter being sparked off The protests in Minneapolis with a heroin addict and we have the coronavirus Lockdowns another biosecurity state pharmaceutical move It's all big pharma man. It's like no matter where you turn What why is it not being discussed because they're advertising on TV? So there's no there's no message and just because they're advertising on TV doesn't just mean that That that there's no message against them it means they're controlling the message well, and

3:01:28 The further your point now Baltimore wants to stop prosecuting drug possession. Oh boy, I want to say you skip 40 are you skipping 40? No excuse me that was for this is 40. I'm sorry yeah hold on a second we still got time now Moe Yeah i'm good okay I am therefore announcing that our COVID policies will now become permanent and America's failed war on drugs, on drug users in the city of Baltimore is over. A change in handling crime the shift following a year-long study involving the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health looking at policies put in place to prevent the spread of coronavirus and how those policies impacted crime

3:02:22 These are Baltimore City State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby first public statements since a lien for nonpayment of back taxes was placed on the home she shares with her husband, city council president Nick Mosby and a federal probe into the couples campaign records. So I'm not going to discuss that matter I would refer you to my attorney. Mosby says she is working with police and other community partners when it comes to those violent offenses, carjackings murders armed robberies attempted murders and drug distribution we are still prosecuting you the police will still arrest you but on these low level offenses We are no longer utilizing our limited resources On these low level offenses She says prostitution

3:03:06 public urination and other minor crimes will be handled as public health issues and turned over to the community partners that she's working with to find solutions. Crime is a symptom of the disease of our society for years we have asked the police to address this disease by locking people up, We merely addressed the symptom not the disease today we have a prosecutor who has demonstrated a concern for equity a concern for justice, and a concern for public safety. And this is the exact same words I was... Tina and I were just reading it this morning in Austin Texas which we're going to move outside of the same thing moving the police services even the management of 911

3:03:59 over away from the police department to this community partners who community partners exactly and it is private industry Yeah, of course And there's and there's zero evidence that this works or in fact the evidence is contrary It just shows. It's a horrible idea and its fascinating in his clip She says the lockdown will stay but drug use will be open up That's the way Yeah, of course. All in a while she's dealing with legal issues of her own and as a Baltimore resident it kind of points out in this short clippy

3:04:41 It makes me wonder if there is some other motive behind the actual announcement. In other words, is it because we are trying to give the community a break? Trying to give certain people in the community a break or is this some other political reason why the prosecutors don't want to continue prosecuting them? So that's my main concern. In other words, it's not that they don't want to...it's not...It's a bigger picture! That they wanna try to solidify their position in politics by making it appear that these things are no longer important. Yes, never watched it totally understand the concept people keep telling me I'm crazy. I don't watch it I would love it and I best TV show ever I know I gotta put on my list I'm crazy and just to show their predictive programming the birth of Amsterdam as if this tour all Hand-to-hand undercover buys of CDS are suspended in the Western District Somewheres

3:06:02 Back in the dawn of time, this district had itself a civic dilemma of epic proportion. The city council had just passed a law that forbid alcoholic consumption in public places on the streets and on the corners but the corner is and it was and it always will be The Poor Man's Lounge It's where man wants to be on a hot summer night. It's cheaper than a bar catching nice breeze you watch your girls go by But the law is a law. The Western cops rolling by, what were they going to do? They arrested every dude out there for tipping back a high life. There'd be no other time for any other kind of police work and if they looked the other way they'd open themselves all kinds of flaunting all kinds of disrespect This was before my time when it happened but somewhere back in 50's or 60's

3:07:13 There was a small moment of goddamn genius by some nameless smokehound who comes out to cut rate one day and on his way to the corner he slips that just bought pint of elderberry into a paper bag. A great moment of civic compromise. That small wrinkle-ass paper bag allowed the corner boys have their drink in peace, and it gave us permission to go and do police work. The kind of police work that's actually worth the effort, it's worth actually taking a bullet for.

3:08:02 So in the show, this police officer named a veteran police officer named Bunny. And what he does is he convinces all the drug dealers to move their trade down to these abandoned or so called abandoned blocks where people still live there but it's like out of sight out of mind because he was tasked with getting the rest down percentages down right? So he's like moving over you're saying go down there but he ends up creating an environment called Hampshire down which looks like skid row and he brings a pastor down there called Deacon, and this is what deacon sees. What in God's name did you do here? Look I'm just trying to make my district liveable. I write off a few blocks in a few places but I save the rest No offense but you're like the blind man and elephant it's a lot bigger than what you got your hand on You just can't see it See what A great village of pain and you're the mayor

3:09:01 Where's your drinking water? Where's your toilets, the heat electricity? Where is the needle truck to condom distribution do drug treatment intake? Half these people are down on their feet and now they're half gonna catch what's killing them. Look ain't no worse off than when he was all over the map Now they just in one place is all and that places hell And what'd he say we sacrifice a couple of blocks And this is what, this is going to be extrapolated out so we'll sacrifice the black neighborhood. Because if you're not bothering the drug users they're gonna stay there because the last thing they want to do is get arrested. So like okay then we know these are safe zones Yeah that's basically the east side of Austin. Yeah and guess what? This show was filmed in Baltimore

3:09:56 Yeah, I know. Almost 20 years ago and now all of a sudden they're at the epicenter of legalizing drugs and you want to tell me this was a coincidence? No no can't tell ya that And this is what happens when his bosses find out Where is the West Balmore drug trade? I hope major these are not staged photographs You're showing us. No sir They're not. No deputy I found another approach I'm all ears buddy I moved them off the corners. God damn it! Don't be coy with me, Major. I can see that. What I want to know is how the fuck you managed to move them and where the fuck they are now? Deputy... ...I don't know quite how to put this but we- I mean, I began by identifying those areas in my district where drug trafficking was least harmful and proceeded to push all street level dealing towards those areas And at first dealing with the juveniles on them corners had little success

3:11:00 But ultimately, by rounding up all the mid-level dealers in my district and making them offer they couldn't refuse I was able to... You made them an offer? Yes sir. Either they move their people to one of three designated areas where drug enforcement was not a district priority or they face the wrath of every able bodied soul in my district Major, I don't understand The only time we can hold a drug corner is when we assign offices to stand there Your slides don't suggest any concerted deployment on any corners. How were you able to... Jesus Christ, you nit! Don't you see what he's done? He's legalized drugs! Actually I elected to ignore them. You lost your fucking mind. He's lost his fucking mind! You in my office now! Oh so that's uh

3:11:57 20 years ago and today we basically have the south side of Chicago very small area where all the crime is taking place Yes, Wow you waited 62 episodes to explain that to me Timing. You know one of the biggest proponents, but that's not South Chicago, that's Baltimore. But it's the same thing. It's the same thing everywhere. Exactly exactly. Well but that's what you do in a war right? Or I mean it seems to appear...you surrender a couple of fronts

3:12:36 You know, but this is my point. Is that in Baltimore in Chicago? Soon coming soon in Austin in in New York City Mm-hmm It's all a very small area it's all a small group of actors and that's the black on black crime That has reported as a weekend statistic but never really reported on because that's exactly what it is Because I think it's going to be a drug utopia. Drug beefs are gonna lead to murder, more murder. Right A lot of times people get clean by going to jail. Yeah, I mean because they just have to be forced they get off of it and I'm not saying I'm not advocating that if you can get them in the rehab that's fine or at least it also makes it really easy for the new users who are coming off with the pharmaceuticals To find where as we heard from Kevin to find where all the crap is going down where you can buy it Right this kid row Exactly oh my god

3:13:35 Again, 62 episodes. Okay. Spoilers! You know one of the biggest proponents of drug... what they call decriminalizing drugs? Vanita Gupta you ever heard her? Yeah I have actually What is she...? She's trying to be appointed to the... I think deputy... What was the highest position in a department state or State Department It was Loretta Lynch, was it? Well that would be Secretary of State. Yeah, but the deputy. She's trying to be the Deputy Secretary of State right? That's a big deal that's what Victoria Newland was for Hillary Clinton so yeah I'll look her up in the show notes Well what she is trying to do is she's trying to be confirmed well as she's trying to being confirmed this GOP Senator brings up very interesting facts about her Ms Gupta is the daughter of a gentleman who heads

3:14:34 chemical company produces all sorts of chemicals for a variety of legitimate purposes and it looks like from her financial disclosure statement he's been very successful and so has Miss Gupta in family trust worth tens of millions of dollars much of it including the stock of Aventor, the company that her father heads. Well I realize miss Gupta is not personally responsible As a shareholder this company, but it is clear I believe from a investigative journalism story by Bloomberg dated September 2020 that Aventor was selling acetic anhydride and essential ingredient in converting poppies to heroin Holy shit for at least the last decade she owns tens of millions of dollars worth of that stock. I've asked the

3:15:34 Attorney General and the Security and Exchange Commission to look into Aventura's conduct because if in fact an American chemical manufacturer has been selling acetic anhydride in a country where they know that it will be available to the criminal cartels and drug runners, and they should know that 92% of the heroin made in Mexico using acetic anhydride manufactured by Aventor and its subsidiary in Mexico. That's a serious, serious problem." Okay now this gets even better It's coming back to me now She was confirmed as Associate Attorney General

3:16:16 And I did not know this at all about her family and her background. First of all, you look at this woman she looks like the angel of death man if you've got...I'll put a picture in the show notes to say it but to hear all this I mean This is..you know what's tied into this? The reason we're never gonna leave Afghanistan where all the poppies are This is a huge, huge push and takeover that the pharmaceutical industry is shooting us up left and right. And if we won't do it ourselves they'll force us to do it. You know what? All the people that the Democrats supposed support, the migrants why are they fleeing because they're being forced to work for the cartels to grow the poppy

3:17:08 that her dad's company allegedly sells the main ingredient to cut heroin or to manufacture a heroin. Yeah, man this is great! What a super clip too Let's continue on with 46 In May 2019 A small counter-narcotics unit was rolling down a country road in the rural part of Sinaloa which was the center of the global drug empire created by El Chapo Guzman They were overcome by a pretty powerful smell. They were literally stopped in their tracks and it's one of the things that people on these counter-narcotic squads are looking out for, smelling out for in this case So they got out of their vehicles and through a clearing of trees

3:17:59 They found five cauldrons that were being used to produce heroin. And they also found four jugs of a chemical called acetic anhydride, that was made by a major multi-billion dollar American company and the product brand was JT Baker. And that chemical is lethal. The only thing, other than the sap from opium flowers that you need to manufacture heroin. And under international drug laws it's one of the most highly controlled of these chemicals sold anywhere in the world except Mexico. The great tragedy for me in investigating this was the idea that any American company could be involved in that even if its unknowing

3:18:46 It really made us feel like we had to do everything we could... ...to expose this situation and make it public. Where was that from? That was from a special I think nothing that was at Bloomberg report that they were speaking about it, right? I'll get you the whole it's the whole like 17 minute. Yeah This is not a drug addict show or drug Abuse show but I always want to show you okay if we talk about the felony murder rule I want her daddy hauled in and her and her and her Rico cases on all of them

3:19:28 This is a cartel and we saw this before with the Clintons coming out of MENA. When I said the boys are back in town, the boys are back in town! Yeah but they're rocking the horse this time instead of skiing the powder. Right well... Oh? But wait, the show's not over yet. But wait there is more! So Kevin, poor Kevin had cleaned himself up and I'm gonna show you the power of people when he did that episode or uh that we pulled the first clips from The support he got in the comments led him to clean himself up and get drug free That's how people work We're talking about karma whatever you want to call it Yeah That's the power people have When people support people

3:20:12 He's my cousin, my first cousin. We grew up in the same house so we called each other brothers and his name is Lorenzo Hall and you know that was my world, that was my heart. I ain't never endured that pain but I still am going through this pain. I don't think it'll ever heal this pain, this loss that I took I wish it upon no one, but we all have to go through it. And I know that some people have worse tragics than me but this is my tragic and I handled the wrong way. I self-medicated again on a drug that's opiate. They call it Fentanyl. It's a recent thing.

3:21:18 It's a very dangerous drug and I know that. I shouldn't fuck around with this So that's why i'm here today to let you guys know That I kind of fucked up a little bit And I need y'all help, y'all support and um Why it's early? Early stages of it. I get the hell off of that shit too. I kicked heroin ass I kick this ass too Yeah fentanyls more dangerous than heroin Yes it is 48. By now, you may know a family shattered by the opioid epidemic in 2017 there were 47 000 opioid deaths that's more Americans than were killed in vehicle accidents or by firearms one drug fentanyl is like rocket fuel and the sharp rise of this crisis

3:22:14 Fentanyl is a painkiller invented in the 1960s and used to relieve the agony of advanced cancer. It is 50 times more potent than heroin, but today fentanyl can be ordered on the internet by drug dealers and addicts for an online overdose The target said that he can get any drugs he could ever imagine over the internet from China. Cronin's investigators went online and discovered overseas labs offering most any illegal drug And we just said, hey according to sources instructions were interested in buying fentanyl and the result was say the least surprising

3:22:56 We have dozens, probably over 50 different drug trafficking networks reaching out to us saying we have fentanyl. We have even more powerful fentanyl analogs whatever you want will get it for your cheap will get a few in bulk You got fifty replies? At least And all of these came from where It was universally China Even cheaper dope Now I'm depressed Even cheaper dope so is the pharmaceutical the heroin and when you When you can't get heroin or people stepping on it with what cost said pink elephant. Yeah They go to defend all I guess who's in bed with China Mexico and the pharmaceutical company

3:23:48 Well, who are you telling me I'm supposed to be worried about the police? And you think I was supposed to be... My number one concern is the police. And then Imma say this and we can wrap on this. Here's the thing. I don't care which side of argument you are on in this case You didn't get justice Period! And that should bother you like it bothers me Because if you think it was murder one, there should be four on trial for murder one by the law of the land. Not by my opinion. You can't pick and choose when you want to apply laws that's the problem and if he wants

3:24:27 Not killed by that police officer and drugs killed him. I need to see a perp walker Gupta her father all the fentanyl supplies from China if you got it Batman zip line of me and pull them out, I don't care because if you really care But you know what? And I say this to the end This world don't care about really nobody, but specifically black men unless we have something to offer. George Floyd had his life to offer him. There was another person popularly struggled with addiction named DMX who lost his life. It's the same thing now one half is saying it was drugs he had a relapse another half is saying he took the vaccine We need justice for him as well. Oh no

3:25:17 This is probably one of the most impactful episodes we've done. You really got to some core here and it's so multifaceted It is right in front of our face. Right in front of our face, but we are being manipulated by the media which won't tell us the whole story well you definitely Helped get it a lot of the story out on this episode and I appreciate it. I know everyone else who's listening appreciates it that produces appreciated If you want to support this work Please go to mo facts comm it is important

3:25:55 I mean, I personally get so much value from this just learning and thinking and stuff that I completely know. And intellectually it's like oh my god like you get so...I mean even I get fuzzy, I get clouded over, I get distracted This was really good reset in fact it is the great reset by Mo Fax Thank You Mo! Just thank you again It was fantastic I can't wait for the next episode I have to say it wasn't enjoyable making this because i had to deal with the programming myself. I got angry at sometimes, I mean that I'm not immune but luckily I know I seek first understanding and then to be understood and as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself

3:26:40 Ladies and gentlemen, fellow Americans, lady Americans. This is James Brown I want to talk to you about one of our most deadly killers in the country today. I had a dream the other night and i was sitting I was so often asleep, so I started dreaming. I dreamed that I walked in a place and saw a real strange weird object standing up talking to the people and found out it was hell. That deadly drug did go in your vein he said. I came into this country without a passport ever since then I've been hunted and sought

3:27:27 My little white grains are nothing but waste Soft and deadly, and bitter to taste But I'm a world of power And all know it's true Use me once an' you'll know it too I can make a mere schoolboy forget his books. I can make a world famous beauty neglect her looks. I can make a good man forsake his wife and agree to mandate prison for the rest of his life. I can make a man forsake his country and flag, Make a girl sell her body for five dollar bag Some think my adventures are joy in thriller but i'll put gun on your hand and make you kill

3:28:11 In cellophane bags I found my way To heads of state, to children at play I financed in China ran in Japan I'm respected in Turkey and I'm legal in Cyan. I take my addicts and make them steal, borrow, beg Then they search for a vein in the arm or the leg So be you Italian Jewish Black or mix I can make the most virile of men forget their sex. So now, so now my man you listen You'll do your best to keep up your habit until you're arrested Now the police have taken you from under my wing

3:28:59 Do you think they'd identify me, I who am king? Now... You must lie in that county jail Where I can't get to you by a visitor or mail So squint with discomfort Wiggle and cough Six days of madness And then you might throw me off Trust me in name, defy me in speech But you'd pick me up right now if I were any reach All through your center You become resolved to your fate Hear or not? Young man and woman...I'll be waiting at the gate And don't be afraid. Don't run! I'm not chase Sure my name is Alwin And you'll back for a taste Behold! You're hooked

3:29:46 Your foot is in the stirrup and make pace, mouth asteed. And ride him well for the white horse of Hellwind will ride you to hell, to hell. Will ride you to hell until you are dead Dead, brother. Dead! This is a revolution of the mind Get your mind together and get away from drugs That's my man