41: Third Wave

00:00 Nobody's closing me out of my business. Mo Facts with Adam Curry for June 20th, 2020! This is episode number 41... With a world in chaos! Or whatever we're seeing on social media and TV. Mo how you doing? I'm doing pretty good, Adam. How about you? Yeah it's been nuts! You know...I am happy to be alive at this moment in history Happy to know what i know Happy to have been doing this show for now well we've done 40 episodes so far I feel that I am looking at the world somewhat different than the rest of people in it Or at least from the people I know

00:39 Yeah, I am very appreciative of the work that we've been doing for the past... Shoot man. We're coming up on a year aren't we? No not yet. Right? No no we got more than that. August to September when we hit a year Gosh man it's gone by so quick. It was like yeah this new little podcast I'm in doing. No no episode 41 man is great The months fly by, but the days are long. If that makes any sense? That's a very good way of putting it and this is of course A Value for Value program and production which means you produce it as much as we do You are producers. You help us out in so many ways Believe me the notes, the feedback, the thoughts, the ideas, the podcast to listen to, the experiences It is all incredibly appreciated and folded into every single episode each and every time

01:33 And as usual, I have not looked at anything Mo has sent over. But if you don't mind, I'll roll out the wheel and see what we're going to do today. Spin that wheel Adam! Thank you It is the big wheel of topics! We spin it around and round and round. Where it stops, nobody knows well except Mo actually does know Let's find out what todays topic is for episode number 41 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry Thug life hit me like the holy ghost I gotta hear that one again I gotta make sure I know what im hearing here hold on a second What was this? Thug life hit me like the holy ghost What hit him? Sunlight? Thug Life Uh oh thug life

02:20 That's Tupac. Yes, got it. Yay! I get one credibility point for MTV and this is actually...I'm surprised because i think this is the first time ever in the history of the show out of 41 episodes that we'll play some Tupac clips which I'm just surprised that he hasn't made it on the show so far but I had to bring him in because... Well, he's an incredible part of history Mr. Tupac He is the most underrated leader probably in American history and not for his actions but his thoughts Wow! That big statement And we're gonna examine it here on this show because It will start to explain what we saw and what we discussed last week

03:18 okay the thug life mentality is the genesis of the change in policing which it was a catalyst for what we're seeing now and actually this second no, the third wave of The show. We talked about last week just to go down two waves Let's go back. Yeah, just a little bit The first wave is once said I the catalyst kicks into place, the first wave is the Black Lives Matter Inc. And I have to say that because... Yes we've discussed this actually that kind of like instead of saying China's responsible for something we'd like to say the Chinese Communist Party who are the actual people responsible and instead of the all-encompassing Black Lives Matter which is a really it's beyond a brand now at this point you know it's its own entity

04:16 It's much more effective to say Black Lives Matters Inc, which encompasses all the entities that are a part of the money flow. Yes and then if the Soros funded... And the power obviously money flow and some power over what's happening. The reason why I say this is they have a parasitic relationship with the larger group black lives matters or peaceful protesters because if you try to remove them out it could, like... It affects the host. If that makes any sense? Yeah! They need each other. Right. So the first wave when a shooting or cop killing happens is the boots on the ground, Black Lives Matter Inc., then the second wave is the agent provocateurs which breaks the glass metaphorically speaking

05:18 And then the third wave is the criminal element. That third wave is the thug life. Ah, okay this is good! This is severely under-analyzed if ever I would say If ever... I think we just kind of breezed over to 3rd wave last show But when I went back and listened and now seeing what's going on now We really have to discuss this So what we need to do The thug life mentality was discussed before on this show but by another name and that's the super predator. Ah!

06:02 A jogger murdered in New York's Central Park. A little girl gunned down in her family's car in Los Angeles. A judge has sentenced two boys for killing another child who refused to steal candy for them. There is a tidal wave of juvenile violent crime right over the horizon and some who study it say, the worst is yet to come. Life in the 1990s was dominated by a sense that youth violence was out of control The future looked bleak. To explain why, one word said it all... Super Predators! Some social scientists and criminologists looked at the data and saw doom They stepped out of their ivory towers and into the public arena to sound the alarm about a coming wave of kids who were going to ravage the country Yeah well I- Well the super predators i remember from uh

06:53 Hillary Clinton, right? Didn't she use the super predators term in one of her speeches? Her and Joe Biden. And a lot of politicians at that time and we're looking at 90 say 92 to 94 The Bill Clinton era That is the same rise as Tupac so we're gonna see where these These two terms are talking about the same group of people but from two different perspectives We've talked about Super Predators on this show From the political aspect, but we never got the voice of the super predator slash. The people that have the third life mentality so I want to give them a voice on this show and understand how they got there and how they're being manipulated and used in today's

07:41 happenings that we see. Okay, I'm all ears! I have background with Tupac because of the MTV period which was 87 into 93 so they definitely crossed over and this was an important time at MTV when we got Yo!MTV Raps. I don't think Tupac was on early with Yo!MTV Raps i think it was more like naughty by nature It was pretty pretty tame in the beginning I could be wrong which him and Trench from Naughty by Nature were really good friends uh-huh so Trench was kind of similar to actually like a East Coast type of pop in a way hmm, but he didn't have this celebrity that Tupac had and to be honest Tupac was really

08:34 I don't want to get too ahead of ourselves, but the reason why Tupac really burst onto the scenes was when he shot those two cops. Off-duty cops. That's what made him a Jesse James, Billy the Kid... That made the Thug Life brand real Yes. So let's develop the super predator narrative and then we'll transition to the synonymous term thug life as well. Okay, along this stretch of grassy road one night in early September 1994 when most grade schoolers were getting ready for a new school year a grisly murder took place

09:23 In Chicago, the body of an 11-year old gang member nicknamed Yummy is found beneath an underpass. Police say Robert was murdered by two members of his own gang 16 year old Craig Hardaway and his younger brother Derek Hardaway was 14 when he and his brother drove to the underpass to kill Robert Sandifer, or Yummy. Sandifer himself had shot and killed a teenage girl before he was murdered. Derek waited in the car while Craig pulled the trigger. I remember the night that things took place. He got a page from a guy named Kenny. I'm not actually sure what he said to my brother but

10:05 It was to kill Robert. Derek and his brother belonged to Chicago's Black Disciples gang. If I was told to do certain things, even if I didn't want to do it, it would be either doing what I'm being told or have it done in me. a legend, I think there's a better word for that but he is notorious and his reputation because they were basically if this happened in another country we would call them child soldiers or children soldiers. Right got it Because like Hardaway said either they were told to do something and we're talking about 12 13 14 year old kids being told to kill are you will be killed right

11:00 And how does that happen? Well, if you don't have a father in the house... Yes. Sadly we go around to that every single time don't we? You become prey and this is not um yeah it's just a continuous cycle So now you're saying that now the news is picking up, they have this story. I'm sorry, I just want to interject for people who have not heard some of the earlier episodes when we roll our eyes and go of course man about the house those were literal rules that if you want talk systemic racism the welfare system

11:40 historically has made it impossible for a man and a woman married to live in the same house and have jobs without popping just over the welfare limit, and not making it feasible. And thus meaning total poverty or the man has to live somewhere else. Historically that has happened... That is never really been solved! ...that issue continues with poverty today And in one of our earlier episodes, we discussed they actually had guards coming around searching under beds and closets to confirm. And then they locked these kids away into public housings or projects or whatever you want to call them that were similar to a jail. I mean the environment was similar to jail or prison. What was

12:33 Just as a quick aside, I was listening to Joe Rogan. He was talking to Brett Weinstein who... Yeah you know he says some good and bad but he also identified that from the beginning from the roots of slavery men were separated from women and this destroys culture And it makes, really the way he took him down the path is probably like an hour and a half into that interview. He says it actually leads to the baby mama culture And, you know if relatively few men are in a lot of demand they're not going to be monogamous and want to be part of the nuclear family. He sees that too and he's like what is he? A societal biologist or some odd discipline that he's professor in. I thought it was interesting but he hadn't connected it to all the other stuff we were talking about...not yet at least.

13:33 And this is the perfect example, if you want to point to something that's systemic racism. Yeah This is it Yes! It's the one! This is where you can point to and say because I'll explain to people families make communities, communities make cities, cities makes states and states make countries So if you destroy at a very cellular level You're gonna you gonna be I mean, you can't build off. You can't build off of Off of not having the family structure and I'm just gonna take a leap and on you tell me if I need the goggles but if you have a culture and when I say culture, I'm talking if you have a entertainment culture that glorifies Let's just call it. I don't know thug life

14:22 it makes it very, very difficult. It adds another layer of problems to repairing that nuclear family and this is where we get into the crux of the problem because who's doing the glorifying? And we're going to ask that question. It's not like he's not the creator. It's part of the plan I believe and this is gonna be a very conspiratorial show so But it's solidly based in facts the way I think this thing is happening. But I think we stopped at two, so I think we can get into part three of Super Predator." Even in an era of violent teen killers Robert Sandefur murder was big news The story scared people says criminologist Barry Chrisburg This was no longer a Chicago story This was a story that no matter where you lived

15:19 You turned on the evening news and you would hear about this case. By now, nearly all of us know the story of Robert Sandefur There was a sense that the country writ large was going to hell in a handbasket No one had a clear idea of what to do Political scientist John DiIulio taught at Princeton University and had done extensive research in prisons studying the criminal justice system From 1984 to 1994, when Sandifer was killed teenage homicide rates had more than doubled. DiIulio looked at studies that estimated that by 2000 there would be a million more teens between the ages of 14 and 17 and he predicted crime rates would snowball even more You'd have doubling or tripling in the rate

16:05 Of youth violence in the in the time between the mid 90s and up to through mid 2000 Wow Models, yeah well again. I'll just say you know I think I left MTV around 93 started my own company this was also at the beginning of the dot-com boom so I wasn't I was not focused on a lot of what was going on other than pets calm and And you know building stuff So very interesting. It was probably looking like a huge time of economic prosperity with the internet and companies and public offerings and craziness going on, and meanwhile... And drug cartels! Yeah well, I'm sure saying it meanwhile in the background we had some other stuff happening.

16:55 episode on the crack epidemic. Yes, of the propaganda that they use to scare people and this is kind of how we got to the 94 crime bill and even the crime bills that came before that I mean like changing in disparity of 100 grams to one hundred to one ratio. Powder versus rock And to focus on the street level dealer compared to focusing on the kingpin. Other than besides the fact that they didn't want to lock themselves up, whoever's making the laws. But now we see this is I want to make a parallel to now with the models

17:38 you know, coronavirus. Yeah, the shit in and out. You have academia saying hey this thing is going to double and double again! Well they need to get ahead of it. The initial models were actually factor 10 off by what may be the ultimate reality, even with everything factored in. So yeah I mean the smallest change in input can have a wildly different output. Well clip four gets into the factor of if they were off or not

18:16 Perhaps most troubling to DiIulio was what he saw as an indication that the small percentage of kids who commit the most violent crimes would be much more destructive than the generation before them. Studies found that essentially 6% of every male youth cohort was responsible for about 50 percent of all the violent crimes committed by that cohort, That small fraction of people is going to be able to wreak incredible havoc. DiIulio wasn't the only one predicting a surge in crime By the year 2005, we may very well have a bloodbath of teenage violence. Northeastern University criminologist James Fox says his choice of words was deliberate I did sound an alarm and I did use some rather strong language in terms of what might happen if we didn't react quickly Fox and DiIulio felt compelled to call attention to this perceived problem And rhetoric proved the most powerful arrow in their quiver

19:14 DiIulio, an Ivy League academic from South Philadelphia wrote this article for the Weekly Standard in 1995. The term super predator originated from an inmate who said as always a throwaway line he said these kids they're stone-cold predators and like a match to a flame the word caught on Super Predator Predator Predators Super Predators Yeah nothing like a good old fashioned surge coming from the models huh? Surge! Where have I heard that And this goes to show you narrative. He created a term from a throwaway term, from a hardened criminal... Now let's not poo-poo the fact that a hardened criminal was saying these kids are something different. Yeah! An actual guy in The Slammer said it Right so don't have that loss on you because even Notorious B.I.G.'s set has a line I'm gonna loosely quote and he was like

20:16 Our parents used to take care of us, but now they even effin' scared of us. They understood that it was good- It was real! It was not just a term but it had a name and became from predator to super predator That was beautiful for politicians Yes because they could take in and run with the arm Just like we see Superbug and Supermeatho's super in front of anything And it makes it something totally different So now we have the term, it's been created and we know the history behind this term. Now we discussed who used it and how wielded for political power in gain there is only one little problem and Favre talks about it. The super predator idea was wrong once it was out there though it was out there There was no reeling it in

21:09 The experience was a turning point. DiIulio increasingly began to think about religion and public affairs as the best way to affect change. I lost faith in social science prediction at about the same time that I gained faith of a traditional religious con. But Crisberg says the problem wasn't with social science, but that DiIulio not only misinterpreted the data but what it meant It was a myth, and unfortunately it was a myth that some academics jumped onto. The fear over the super predator led to a tremendous number of laws and policies that we're just now recovering from Wait a minute wait a minute... So while the super predator was a real thing The actual effect of the super predator Was wildly exaggerated by the models or did I misunderstand? Th-the number

22:07 super predators. Now how heinous they were, that was true and the crimes they were committing were true but they were like okay if we have a million today then we'll have... just think about it in the COVID. Yeah if we have 10 million by the second wave! Right yeah and this kind of miscalculation lends to Another issue that's cropped up, and I'm going to take a little side here. This is why people don't trust math anymore you hear math is racist and we need to get rid of STEM yeah this is why this is where that comes from That was also what Weinstein was saying You're exactly right! Yeah because if we actually did the math And we went and looked at it We find out that it was bull crap

23:02 Right, so when people say get rid of STEM they're not saying get rid of math. It's this funky you know wizardry that they do... That doesn't take black people into account? Right or are they just no they start fudging the numbers or you know if we hear the hearing up projections say that we're gonna be here in 10 years and that kind of thing right what I'm saying is Black Lives Matters Inc He's saying, hey get rid of STEM because STEM would actually uncover the lies. Jesus! All of this stuff is better in truth on both sides but it's the...

23:45 exaggeration, manipulation and exaggeration and manipulation of the data points that is dangerous. And wrapping it around or shaping it to fit narrative is the problem because you could take any number and like people say men lie women lie but numbers don't lie but you could take a number and tell a whole different story on how you spin it. That's like you talk about job saved, how do you count that? Saved or created yes right saved to create it now they're saying live saved with Corona and I don't want to go down but I'm just showing you the parallel so this thing was really happening and the super predator to the outside world is what Tupac was calling thug life And I wanna say something before we get into Tupac

24:35 Speaking in these next set of clips his definition or the acronym for thug life is that hate you gave little infants fuck everybody Okay, so what he's saying is you fed these Babies hate you put them in concrete jungles that the projects were in inner cities without a male to teach him how to navigate this and and this is what you get back basically. So don't act surprised, where were your scientists then? You know, what was the scientist to say well if we take the father out of the house that might create an issue right there numbers show that you know we could have a spike in what nobody did that calculation it's amazing but

25:27 when it comes to spinning something for politics or super predators or whatever, they can do the math. Is this also part of some of the disdain towards homosexuality? Because that maybe by definition could ruin the traditional family and I have big air quotes around traditional. Or is it more promiscuity? It's the explanation of hyper masculinity in hip hop these environments. Okay I don't want to put it off on... No, I got you but it leads to a lot of things yes okay I got it right because you can't be seen as weak you can't be seen this soft you know you can't be seen is actually compassionate caring these are all things you have to rule out because these kids are being raised by the streets and when we say the streets

26:21 the worst role models possible are the only people that stayed in these environments, men that had families. You know they... Another just to go back to another show where we talked about white flight with Michelle Obama and her father right? She had a father she grew up in Chicago they moved their family out who'd you leave behind yeah and she was all upset when they followed her to the neighborhood that she went to. So now we get to listen to Mr. Tupac Shakur, which I have to be honest he's my favorite rapper i think he's the best rapper ever and I think it's by far...I think when you talk about Michael Jordan like the second person is so far down the list from him It's not even comparable because of his impact Wow And there's this weird parallel between him and Kanye

27:22 Yeah, so just listen for that when you play these clips. So now we're going to get into the MTV video from 1994 with Tupac. It's interesting how hip-hop rap music in the beginning or a song like Grandmaster Flash is the message where basically they were saying, you know it's like a jungle sometimes I wish you know. I wonder how I keep from going under it? The whole root of what that song was was basically saying look these are the problems here and here we are 10 years or plus later The problems are still there and the intensity of the music has built to the no hope, I don't give a attitude. How did we get from Grandmaster Flash, The Message, to where we are now in hip-hop?

28:12 Again, you have to be logical. If I know in this hotel room they have food every day and I'm knocking on the door every day to eat and they open the door let me see the party let me see them throwing salami all over the place just like throwing food around or telling there's no food in here I'm standing outside trying to sing my way in you know saying we are hungry. Please let us in We are only please let us say after about a week that song is gonna change the we Hungry, we need some food at the two three weeks It's like you know give me a little bit of a wrecking out door After year and just like you know I'm saying picking a lot coming through the door blast thing You know it's like you hungry

28:58 Yeah, well first of all in that beginning of that clip he even sounded a bit like Kanye almost the cadence Seriously. It's like wow yeah very right and He kind of has that flow to what he's saying and I'm very understandable It's not hard figure out what he's talking about And what he laid out was going from civil rights to the black power movement to the next movement of like the 80s and to like, the 90s where kids was like F it. You know what I'm saying? We see the decadence of America you can't tell us

29:37 You can't help us. And important at that time, and that's why I brought it up although i was not an MTV in 94 but just before that we had the ramp-up and I'll say Dr Dre Ed Lover Fab Five Freddy and Ted Demi they brought in Yo!MTV Raps and it was just getting introduced It was just happening And at that time, like I said... Speaking about singing you know? Like singing to get in. It's like the door was actually opening again but with possibility Right and then you had Public Enemy at the time. I mean rap started out really positive Yeah But we saw it just deteriorate and that was-I believe that was planned a planned deterioration

30:30 But the thing he was saying in this clip is, I hope it's not missed on people. We've been asking and asking and asking that's the singing metaphor we every way possible to get people to understand you need to fix this problem now The problem is picking your lock coming through the door right? And taking what it needs This is what I'm saying which you saw from the third wave Yeah A couple weeks ago We're tired of asking. Yeah, yeah I want to humanize those people in the third wave Even though i don't agree with them, I understand where they come from and I want other people to understand how they can easily because people like how are they so easily manipulated? Can they not see? Well this is also very important just for everyone's perspective really that there is such a huge difference

31:33 So just revisit. One is Black Lives Matters Inc., which knows very well what it's doing, They charge it up. Now, then the agent provocateurs I won't say necessarily we know who's doing it but there is strong suspicion and it may be different in every case every county every city for different reasons but its there its part of the system and then the third wave is distinctly different people than the people who are in the first and second wave and that's really what you're saying is important and I love that you said you want to humanize them and I think thats excellent because what the hell is going on and here we are. This is great, no one's thinking of this except you of course." Because I took a win away from the show and I'm like well we explained the first wave to second wave and we kind just breezed over third way but the third wave is actually most interesting catalyst as well yeah these interactions that you have between the cops

32:32 and quote-unquote criminals that we see. It's the feedback loop. Using a fake 20, or selling loose cigarettes on the street... That's the only way I have to make money! And this is by design. I mean, i'm just gonna say it this whole thing Is by freaking design and that's why I find it so disgusting but uh By the way, I hope that whatever we when we're done with this episode. I hope that if someone says systemic racism i'll say yes let me tell you what it is because here's the problem. Will we get to that? Will that be possible?" We will, but look the other way... Look over there! Yeah I understand exactly now the whole point is you're talking about this but here's what it really is Exactly yeah It does exist and that's where racism as a whole people point to the wrong things to describe it That's what makes the arguments ineffective in solving problems

33:34 Let's get back on track and go to the second part of the interview from 1994. Right well a plain devil's advocate somebody might say, well what is Tupac hat he he's a movie star He's got you know hit records. What does he have to complain about and I'm Italian It's like being the last person alive you don't sin after three days You can't do anything. What can I do? Where can I go oh

34:16 There's no black neighborhood, you know what I'm saying? With black people who have the same amount of money as me. You know what I'm saying? That is richer and that is poorer. There's no just did a movie got little bit of money living okay black neighborhood. I had to be in the white neighborhood so I don't fit it. That's hell! It's hell when you can't be around your peers all my life grew up around black people poor people but I can live around poor people now because they'll rob me. And why would they rob me? Because there starving cause there's no money here Jeez, who was the interviewer? Is that Kennedy? No. Yes it is Kennedy. Tabitha

34:53 That's it Tabitha. Who we used to call Krabatha for a whole bunch of reasons. By the way I hated that about MTV they brought in MTV news and they cut us out from the interview stuff, that sucked! Yeah Krabatha doing the interviews damn it just personal beef done sorry so imagine that and like I said relate to what Tupac is saying on a very small scale, because once you become successful as a black man there's nowhere for you to go. Nowhere! Because you have to leave- no, you don't have to leave your environment but you become a victim either way it's like

35:43 If you move to a nice neighborhood, what are you doing here? What are you doing in that nice car?" I'm not saying all police and we're going to get to the police portion later in the show. But police off of numbers Yeah. Odds, he's like I've seen this guy in his kind of car and eight out of ten times he's been a drug dealer you know so sure so i'm gonna pull him over yeah i'm not condoning that but it just that I mean that's the way it works It's the other side of saying if I stay here I'm going to get robbed and if I go over there I'm going to get harassed then they won't be accepted And where do you go? Um...and as he said again is

36:31 We have no community. Thank you for that, because that pisses me off just the community word when people say the black community I'm like okay can you tell them what zip code that is so they can go say hi? Because it's bullcrap I would love to live in one. And it's ingrained distrust that we've been given not to trust each other, this thing is over the course of this whatever we're doing here Adam It's very deep-rooted distrust amongst our people going way, way back. When we start unearthing this then we're gonna start seeing what systemic racism is but I want to go back to last show because Tupac was talking about understanding the vibe of the street he never was separated from a street

37:29 No matter how much success he had, he was always seen as a normal person. Do you think Kanye has that same thing? I believe so. Okay. Uh...I think it got tarnished a little bit with the Trump thing but people to understand understood what he was doing there. Just because we made the comparison and want to keep it in the back of my mind Right, but when you speak and I always say this when you tell the truth. You don't have to remember your lines Yes, it just comes out it is easy right now I have the same thing like I'm just gonna tell ya why the truth always comes out as we know it always happens even When people don't intended to yep So we're gonna go back to last show and Malcolm X talking about

38:24 The vibe of the streets and brothers and sisters Let me say I spend my time out there in the street with people all kind of people Listening to what they have to say, and they're dissatisfied. They're disillusioned. They are fed up They're getting to the point of frustration where they are beginning to feel What do they have to lose? And when you get to that point You're in you are the type of person who can create a very dangerously explosive atmosphere The number of people who have emailed me and said I am so disappointed in my schooling and upbringing that we never got to hear Malcolm X it was always damn Okay has been astounding. It's in the number one comment on our show

39:18 And in that same vein is you never get to hear from Tupac. Notice nobody ever talks about Tupac, even though he's like... He was I'm not sure, I think Eminem may have passed him by now but by far until Eminem number one selling artists to this day you can't find anybody who doesn't like Tupac. Right but he's never discussed and at least probably- He's never discussed his mindset Whenever someone has a message that's dangerous they cover it up Exactly. And that's why I wanted to play those clips back-to-back because he has this thumb on the pulse of what is the problem and if you can articulate the problem, then you can demand a solution They don't want you to articulate the problem The Malcolm X clip is from what year? Think that was 63... 64 I wanna say So 55 years ago

40:19 Malcolm X identifies it. 25, 26 years ago Tupac identifies it this is unbelievable I mean and it's amazing that we haven't had these. And Kanye comes along with them! Exactly and its more and more explosive It's like hello can we open our eyes finally? No because you need that third wave Yeah, the third wave feeds into the change which is done by the politicians for anyone but the third waves benefit. And we talked about it on the last show of the uppity Negroes using the poor blacks to come up off them

41:03 you need a victim. You need to grow the system, it's like oh we're collecting money on for the behalf of the downtrodden and will take 80% of that money which is exactly what Black Lives Matters Inc seems to be doing same thing and that's just The people's money is not even government money yet, also the people's money but it's just people supporting. Right? The corporate money. Corporate money yes. Individual yeah they're tapping into all that because they took the Sharpton Jackson model that's what we'll call it from now on. Just a quick aside Jesse Jackson you're gonna love this

41:43 You know the Black Pete thing in the Netherlands with the Santa Claus and the black pits? Which has been, this argument has been going on for at least seven eight years. The tradition's been going on for hundreds now Jesse Jackson is showing up in the press in the Netherlands talking about this he's gonna come over and he's gonna tell the Dutch people he's expanded his business model overseas It's fantastic. Isn't that what talent does when they burn out in America? They go to Europe, right? Taking the shit on the road Jesse! We're doing a European tour Exactly what is going on So now we are gonna listen to Tupac Same interview He talks about being The Spark All society is doing Is leechin' off of ghetto

42:35 They use the ghetto for their pain, for their sorrow, for their culture, for their music. For their happiness, for their movies to talk about boys in hood you know what I'm saying? I don't want to be another young...I don't want to be 50 years old at a BET We Shall Overcome achievement award You know what i'm saying? Uh uh Not me When they see me They know that every day when I'm breathing it's for us to go farther Every time I speak I want the truth to come out Every time I speak I wanna shiver You know, I don't want them to be like they know what i'm gonna say because it's polite. They know what i'm going to say and even if I get in trouble you Know what? I'm saying that ain't that we're supposed to do It's i'm not saying i'm gonna rule the world or i'm gonna change the world But I guarantee that I will spark The brain that will change the world and that's our job is to spark somebody else watching us

43:23 We might not be the ones but let's not be selfish and because we're not gonna change the world Let's not talk about how we should change it I don't know how to change it, but I know if I keep talking about dirty It is out here somebody gonna clean it up. Wow that's the best clip so far Now that's like clip of the show at this minute nice This is why you haven't heard this from Tupac You heard it thug life shoot him up And yeah just wanted two things I want them two points I want to make one There's a pre-death row Tupac and they post death row records. And once I said, post death row records and this came about when he was alleged had sexually assaulted the person which that case was super flimsy but they use it as a mechanism to take him down. And he basically had to sign his life away to death row records to even get out on appeal

44:22 And that's when he became the gangster. And what I mean by gangsta, I'm talking about the criminal rapper the gangster rapper because that before then he didn't even, he was more a political figure. His music was political based and you can hear it in his catalog because you can hear from Me Against The World to All Eyes On Me that was two records just like total almost change because of the environment he was in an expectation from the record label he was signed to which she would sign to death row who sounded uh Interscope which you know, that's a Jimmy Iovine. Mm-hmm And that's when they started ramping up the gangster rapper like a superhero So was it? Was it should night the the force that change on him or am I confused well It comes higher than that because sugar night and death row is

45:17 had a lot of police working for death row, corrupt police. I mean- Yeah real corrupt police yeah Real corrupt police and they were front for drug operation when you follow the money it goes right back to the same place as Freeway Ricky Ross and that kind of thing It all flows back that way so they needed the propaganda arm of rap, which was rap to push this narrative or the super predator. Aka the thug. Right? Two The second point I want to make is this is why you see now that Democratic Party bringing in Snoop bringing in T.I., bringing in Killer Mike because they're trying to catch that momentum that Tupac had

46:13 But these people, these people that they're putting up. They don't speak from the heart. They know Tupac and they don't speak the truth! Right? And they don't speak the truth AND they contradict themselves because... I'm gonna make this last point and then we can go to next clip. Killer Mike had a song called burn and the lyrics go, burn this mother effer down. But when you saw him in Atlanta last month or earlier this month- He's crying, crying, crying. Yeah don't burn the city down! It was like hold on bro you just told us to burn it down what? Now you're on the Democratic teat You know yeah it's like when we have to soften the message the same thing with T.I

46:56 You know, you just rebel but then we threatened your opportunity zone. Oh you have a different narrative. Yeah yeah yeah all right so now we have Tupac talking about fathers Because I didn't have a father makes me cold and bitter not just as the excuse. I know people are tired of hearing But you, I mean you have to be logical You know what i'm saying? The reason I didn't have a father it's not like I'm saying okay now sympathize with me I'm saying remember that I'm telling you I did not have a father So when you go what kind of kid is that? What kind of morals do we got

47:34 I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I was raised by a Black Panther, you know and out of jail. I was raised like by a lot of street people so of course my values are really street orientated but that doesn't mean that I don't have any values or I don't have any morals. It's just that my morals are applied to the people who I am around If you had a father figure growing up how would you be different right now? I think I'd probably be a lawyer somewhere Because I wouldn't have hung out, I wouldn't have looked for that father figure. And I would've learned all this treacherous street gang that now I can't forget."

48:15 Actually, he had another interview with BET as well where he spoke in the same manner but it was kind of redundant so I didn't use that. This is a more popular interview. But like Rolling Stone magazine or New York Times or maybe Vanity Fair? Was anyone else doing something really of this depth with him? which props by the way. They'd rather cover, they'd rather cover the sensationalism. The thug life but the thug part of it of course. No, the spitting at the cops and that kind of thing. That's what they rather cover not when you actually sit down and listen to him. His music was used to capture the attention other kids that grew up in a similar situation as him And then he would slip in the medicine and applesauce kinda thing You know? That's the beautiful thing about his music is for people who can hear him

49:18 He's telling the kids, I know where you're coming from. And that a lot of times is all the kids need to hear if somebody just hears them. Which is the origins of rap and hip hop it was CNN That's what Tabitha in the first clip she was talking about. She was talking about the message, how'd it go from that to where is it now? Well you're not listening to the kids and when I say kids are I'm not saying like children I'm talking about you know the youth there's and this is the same thing now You're not listening... The youth are telling and another thing is

49:56 These young people are now... There was this thing before the internet and before gentrification, when you lived in a certain community. You didn't even know you were poor or how poor you were But when you start to see how the world operates, and what the world is buying and spending their money on. It makes you feel like nothing! And what did we have at this same time? Which I mentioned in the beginning... What was happening? Internet. The internet, the dot-com bubble. News, information MP3s We had distribution all kinds of crap that no one thought about Distribution free distribution

50:42 Cable television with it was at its apex. You know you had to get on you could still get on cable television It wasn't even seen a serious TV There was opportunity there was opportunity everywhere yeah, so when these kids start seeing is like oh That's what y'all driving that's what right? We got $10,000 watch you know Even now that's the key of seeing my all y'all are doing this you have money for this the go arm Use a two-part line. He said you got money for war but can't feed the poor You see these bombs you see all this other stuff, but it's like you can't take care of the people in your own country But you want us to buy in? What a critical strategy mistake on the behalf of let's just call it The New World Order thinking hey they'll never see it They'll never figure out what we're doing over here until that came along well

51:41 This is where we get into the conspiracy. Was it a mistake or is it agitation? Is it planned agitation, let's keep agitating these people, let's keep showing them images of... Well, let me look at this way The Clinton administration was really when the Democrats decided we're gonna start to serve corporate interests. Just like the Republicans, there's a lot more money in it for us and of course everyone started to get screwed but people who are already screwed got screwed even more I believe that if you know play along with you because i love it I'm very good at conspiracy

52:22 If you have the corporate corrections company of America, you have a commercialized prison system. You have an entire infrastructure being set up with government money and I would see that would be the 94 crime bill then all we need is to feed the machine with warm bodies! And so how can we do that? How can make these kids crazy? Hey, I got an idea! Call those boys at MTV Let's make this message violent. And you saw a change, I mean i saw it big because before you couldn't show guns in videos but then all of a sudden now you started seeing the gun unblurred even brands before brands didn't even want to be associated with hip-hop

53:15 the brand stopped, Nike symbols and these other things stop being unblurred. I mean i saw this real time where if you had a Nike symbol on your shirt they were blurred out because Nike's like oh no I don't want to be associated with that then all of a sudden it's like yeah yeah yeah we want to see the rappers wearing our brands We want to see the guns in their hands A young black man Let me correct you on that It was not Nike saying blur it out. It was the television station saying, hey hey hey! Nike you're not paying for that so go away with that The TV stations were blurring it out

53:52 So why do they allow it then? Is it for the greater good, for the greater cause?" I would say sales might have driven that. And I think that when sales for Nike are good and then they just do it with the advertising buy on the channel... Yeah we're gonna unblur that stuff this is a good thing has happened everybody saw in Europe people were scratching their heads so you Americans you buy sneakers for $300 because they say Nike, because they couldn't even say Nike. They said, yeah that seems to be what's going on and they're made in China. And they're really worth about 10 bucks. So it was off to the races after that Americans are good at that by the way we love buying into a brand but just would always been like that and for some reason and I still haven't found the answer to this

54:48 The whole world cares about what young black men from America are doing. We set the trend for the whole world, seriously! Yes and I think that this is... well our show has covered this It starts with an outstanding product. So if we just go back to the old, uh... The jazz guys you know? The older musicians and female singers We're talking 30s 40s And we've covered a lot of this in the show

55:24 You know, the talent is unbelievable. The honesty, the beauty in the music and lyrics and singing... It was there! It's fantastic so there's money to be made historically Hey people like it? Let's make money off of it By the way we're gonna give you five bucks We're going to take fifty thousand But yeah I think its exploitation from day one And Tupac said that He said use the ghetto for our pain For our suffering But I know a lot of people say, Moe West it's just music. It can't be that powerful right? Oh my goodness! Music is one of the most powerful. It lifted the spirits of millions throughout history. Songs all kinds of stuff please who says that show me that person and we see that with The National Anthem. We see how controversial oh

56:24 Number 12 will explain to you why. Chances are you're not in the beef jerky business, but you can still use some of the principles that we taught Brian. In particular harness the power of rhyme Let's say that you want people on your team to show up on time You could say something like when everyone is on time The whole team can shine or even at home you can say wiping the table will make our marriage more stable Now this sounds goofy But trust me it works

57:10 And as always these tips should never be used for evil until next time I'm Daniel pink Yeah, along with the rhyming. I just point out that jingles Commercial jingles are incredibly effective and there's a million we could sing for you and you'd recognize them right away So the song is incredibly important for replication of a message but specifically rhyme Oh yeah, and that's what rap is it's rhyming so if the perfect mechanism you can do it anywhere. Anyone can do it! You don't need any equipment, you don't need a guitar, you don't need a drum set... One guy's beatboxing one guy's rhyming I was in Los Angeles in 1982 at the I think it was the Kiss FM

58:01 street jam or something and I was there, actually. I was supposed to have a meeting this long story which they won't get into that I was very young but i was trying to see if I could do anything in America's before MTV is even before it was on television in the Netherlands and that's when I saw you know the first street battles what is going on here Now this was, you know around the time of The Message and it just groups of guys just throwing down and just rapping at each other. I'd never seen anything like in my life before! I've heard the records but never seen the genesis of it. It was phenomenal! And that's called a cypher

58:38 Which is gonna be important. That's when you have a circle of people's from Freestyle and then rapping it's called a site that's called a cipher yes And that's gonna lend to the next clip can I get to give us just a little taste of theorem? I know it's quite early in the show for this No, no, we could always grab a little bit alone. I've been practicing for you me I hit that high note. Yeah, we're going down to some kind of dark deep rabbit hole all right take us there John Todd I said did they still take the master to the temple room Dave said yeah? I said do they still have a coven conjured demons into the master

59:19 He said, of course. I said now i gotta know something what's the main reason for rock music? He says the same as when you were in so that we can play spells on people That we couldn't cast spells upon The master is a tape about as big at the top of this podium that looks like an overgrown eight track that the album is cut on and it's placed in a machine that produces and presses the records, and the 8-tracks, and cassettes you buy. After its been recorded its taken in this why a masters cut months of advance before its released On the full moon its taken into a temple room about the size of this auditorium That is in every one of the major music companies behind locked doors up in executive offices

1:00:01 and placed on an altar setting in the north of the room, and a pentagram engraved in the floor. And thirteen hand-chosen witches and wizards come in and conjure up principality or power up usually regia or something like that and order him to tell demons under him to follow every record and every tape coming off that master I said, okay one last thing. I've been hearing that you must be an initiated witch now to get a record contract He said that's right he says many of us that weren't total witches have to be witches now in order to produce music and Here I thought the way to a hit record was more cowbell No, it's not cowbell Wow who was this

1:00:49 This is John Todd. So, John Todd is quite known in the conspiracy theory especially hip-hop conspiracy theory circles because he was known for saying that basically record companies and you're speaking about rock here but then of course it feeds into hip hop as well that the master tapes are basically embedded with spells Nothing would surprise me, especially because the entire music business is based around the master. Not that not I mean the rights to prove you have the rights to a song You have to actually physically own the master

1:01:33 And this is the big deal, especially in hip hop because Jay-Z basically dissolved his whole relationship with his partner of many years over the masters of his first album Reasonable Doubt. So I'm just saying we got The Power of Rhyme and then you factor in... Throw a little bit of Wiccan stuff on there Right, right. And I just told you that the wrapping in a circle is called a cipher when you start breaking down this terminology It definitely lends to something maybe supernatural. I'm just gonna leave it there, but I wanted to add that into this conversation. Well you can leave it there all you want but the cipher...I'm going have to dive in after this show. I'm doing some extra curriculum research now. So we heard Tupac talk about The Thug and I explained what he-the acronym for thug life was

1:02:37 So Donald Trump recently, and I have a super cut. It's kind of like a super cut after the riots and looting he used this term thug so let's listen to the supercut Do you think that right now the nation needs you to express that same sort of comfort in healing that some people need to heal? Right now i think the nation needs law and order we can't allow a situation like happened in Minneapolis to descend further into lawless anarchy and chaos. Law and order will prevail, the looters is looting you do have looting these people it's Antifa it's a lot of radical left-band people exploiting this tragedy to loot rob attack

1:03:22 and menace, hatred chaos rioters looters and anarchists violence and vandalism led by antifa radical left-wing groups terrorizing the innocent destroying jobs burning down buildings. The mobs are devastating the life's work of good people Anarchy! Anarchy criminals and vandals wreck our cities and lay waste to to our communities. Mob violence, radical left criminals thugs and angry mobs. It is essential that we protect the crown jewel of American democracy The rule of law, violence mayhem and disorder. An angry mob rioting I am your president of law and order professional anarchists violent mobs arsonist looters criminals writers Antifa dangerous thugs domestic terror. I think he covered all of them huge huge misstep

1:04:24 For Trump to use thugs. Yeah, yep He didn't know what he was doing there He didn't know what he was saying I agree And it's funny cuz it's not even funny. I caught that too is like oh man uh-uh Uh-huh? He's gonna get ripped apart for that and rightly so and we're gonna hear before we get into why as a misstep Tupac and this is where when I say prophet I don't mean in a spiritual or Biblical, more like in a from the future kind of way. For me it's kinda like you! You know what I'm saying? Thank you! Oh, I'll take that as a compliment But when you can see what is going on and it can... you say it many many years before it happens

1:05:13 Tupac has a take on Donald Trump back in 1992. Give me give me push push push step step step crush crush crush That's how it all is and it's like nobody ever stopped just you know I feel like instead of us. Just being like slavery's bad slavery's there bad whitey bad whitey I mean why let's stop that and everybody smart enough to know that I mean we've been slighted

1:05:53 And we want ours. And I don't mean by like, a hours 40 acres and a mule because we passed that but we need help. For us to be on our own two feet, us meaning youth or us meaning black people whatever you wanna take it for. For us to be on our own two feet we do need help because we have been here. We have been a good friend if you want to make it a relationship type thing, we have been there and now we deserve our payback." It's like... You got a friend that you don't never look out for. You know? You dressed up in jewels now America has got jewels and they've paid everything and they lending money to everybody except us! Wow And of course he considered Trump a Democrat at the time which he was Yeah Which he was yeah and when you say take take take

1:06:37 The third wave looks at it now the same way. Oh, we could just take... We just go to foreign countries and take what we want? You know, uh, barrel of a gun? What's the problem? We're playing by the same rules. And thank you another point that is poorly observed by under-informed over socialized but even under-informed, who will say I don't understand why they wreck their own neighborhood. But that's not what happened this time! This was not like Rodney King No no no no this was very different Just look for the video on YouTube Fifth Avenue New York The guy drives for 10 minutes nothing but boarded up broken stores

1:07:24 And I think Black Lives Matter ain't understood that. We can't, because we'll be will the finger will be pointed back at us when they come with wood when they wake up the next morning and see their neighborhood in shambles so we need to make a slight adjustment to how we do this. And as far as i know this was different from every has this happened before with the prosperous areas being burned and the big box stores? I can't remember that! even if it did happen I don't remember it being broadcast. Because, like, in LA I remember... Like 92 maybe? Nah! I remember that in LA you had the Koreans on the roof of their little stores with guns and they were defending all that right never made it never made it to Rodeo Drive as far as I remember I don't think I think it's ever been like that and I think that's because of the psychological ingrained

1:08:17 Block of course that the youth has like we can't go over there, but the second wave say yes you can yeah So this goes and show you this is second-wave driven Third way waking up like you know what we need to go to Rodeo Drive or Manhattan it was Okay, they removed the civility from these places so let's go in. Because if that was the case the criminal element would have been done this! What are you waiting on? So for a later moment or later date is to closely analyze this very small group of wave two because that's where wave 2 pointed the way right like I said they removed

1:09:10 what we use metaphorically as the glass. And now it's just a free for all. Now back to Donald Trump using thug, well there is no way better say I'll let Charles Barkley explain it. It's a learning lesson you tell people like they want you to stay in your place It's like, yeah we like you as a player and you're alright. But I liked the other thing he said about when people throw their term around Thug, street carrot calling him monkey and things that's pseudo for the N-word Do you...we just heard the soundbite with Rachel Nichols where he says yes that is pseudo for the N word Of course it is You agree? Every black person knows that Everybody...like you got a couple of people who are ignorant who use that as a slur

1:09:56 But people also do, they say street cred. Think of Tupac in the 90s wasn't saying thug cool at the time what changed? Well first of all we got this great debate going on Westfair I used to n-word me and my friends use it and we're not gonna stop using it don't care what anybody out there say We're gonna use it. I know the difference when me and my friend are saying the N word with somebody white is trying to insult me Wow, as I'm listening to this of course I remember. I was just looking through my clips from the No Agenda show we go back to 2014 when this was in play and being discussed and i think it's it was the mayor of Baltimore

1:10:41 Who used the thug word and that's when it became a thing. But some white person must have, was he a white guy at the time? No probably not. No no no what was her name? A black lady actually. What was her name? She said give them room to riot. Give em space to riot. Um what is her name... I have it here. Wait wait wait Wait one second. I can't remember. Stephanie Rawlings-Blake. Vague for me, I don't really remember but okay so someone should have advised the president because i'm with you and I caught it too

1:11:23 But it was in such a jumble of words. Little Inside Baseball. Yeah, okay. Little Inside Baseball. Yo hit it! It's two words that you can use I mean of many with two words that you can use That are synonyms for the n-word and that's thug and punk Punk? Yes Wow Like I said, it's not...it's not the word itself is the way its used Got it Because punk itself has some homoerotic connotations to it, because when you get punked that's like somebody taking your manhood from you. Just let me give you some perspective I come from 10 years before you Punk to me

1:12:15 was really the origins of the punk movement in the UK, which was these former out-of-work mine workers who would just turn into punks. And then we got Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious and The Sex Pistols... Even The Ramones I think to a degree were seen as punk. You didn't grow up with that? I grew up with that so when you just said punk, I went ho! Wait a minute. No. Damn Punk is like, I'm taking something from you like strong arming You know, it's not like I'm stealing it from you. Well thank you for this explanation because I would have definitely not known that this word had changed the meaning Yes but

1:12:54 The Thug one, when I heard it. I was like yeah that's not what you want to say because right um it does have racial but I can understand undertones too so not defending because he should know better even thugs you know thug to me is uh more like a gangster kind of in fact the in the Donald Duck cartoons you know that the three brothers who were, those were thugs. That's what I grew up thinking a thug looked like now i know better but no wonder our politicians certainly in DC who are in their 70s and 80s they're never going to understand this shit! Never! They've got the complete... No it's out of con... Do you understand what I'm saying? It's like they need to go

1:13:43 Then it goes the point if you're not even understanding the words of the culture anymore How can you even pretend to help lead it or shepherd it or represent it but to be fair? If Trump said it and it was wrong, how about when Obama said it? The majority of the community in Baltimore I think have handled this appropriately expressing real concern and outrage over the possibility that our laws were not applied evenly. In the case of Mr Gray and that accountability needs to exist And I think we have to give them credit. My understanding is you've got some of the same organizers now going back into these communities to try and clean up in the aftermath a handful of protestors, a handful of criminals and thugs who tore off the place." Wow! He even identified first and third wave he caught himself oh no i can't call him protesters because that's

1:14:40 That's the wrong group. That's wave one! Holy crap! I'm glad you caught it, that why didn't want to... That's great. Leave the witness. Oh my goodness. I wanted you here for yourself and then- Thanks Obama. Thanks Kerry And then he doubles down from an article in The USA Today John Earnest, I think that was his press secretary. I want to say yes President Obama doesn't regret using the term thug and describing violent rare rioters in Baltimore this week Spokesman John Earnest said Wednesday it says where there is arson or you know looting of a liquor store those were thuggish acts earnested

1:15:32 In discussing the riots Tuesday, Obama assailed the criminals and thugs who tore up the place and described them as a distraction from the real issues of police brutality. Some critics ascribe racial connotations to the word thug Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake walked back that term earlier this week but Obama doesn't agree officials said So he doubled down and he's supposed to know like you said the 60 or 70 year old I understand that. But he's supposed to be from the community and organizing, which doesn't hold up. I mean it doesn't really surprise me a non-AIDOS guy wouldn't know what he's doing you know? Just pointing out the obvious. Or did he say it on purpose or was that... Yes! Right we need to really look at that and say what was he saying when he said that

1:16:31 because he could easily walk the bat, but no. He stood on it and you know what? This was the beginning of the end for Obama with black people quote unquote so-called black people because it's like wow! You should know like you should understand um... You should know! What Tupac was talking about like that anger and frustration in these kind of things but now he doubled down So now we need to get into the origin of the worried thug, but you want to say something first before we get there because this is another rabbit hole that we need to go down. You know what? There's so much that's swirling around my head right now let's just keep going. This is a good very good moment that you just mentioned there that this was when it started to turn

1:17:26 Yeah, this is when it unraveled for him. It was like dude you really? You want to call us thugs and then Stephanie Rollins Blake she's a so-called black woman she used the word thug yeah they said a lot of stuff got exposed around this time do you remember what year that was Baltimore I think that was let me see i have the article here Click you see just for the timeline. Just so I kind of remember when that was that he said was that his first term still No, no this was pretty great All right Oh my goodness, yeah 14 if I'm not well I'm with you now that I know they think about it enough to relisten to it again That sounded more purposeful than anything

1:18:20 And he said he slipped up, said protest. No I mean thugs. Yeah yeah you had to make sure he separated that don't get in trouble with the base Wow good okay so that article was from April of 2015 so it was even later than i thought huh um yeah yes see he just rolled that out there just like thugs now we have to get into the... hold on is it possible? Is it possible that Trump knew exactly what he was saying I'm not saying that he- I'm glad you brought that up. I'm glad you brought that up, because there's two things he said... That made me cringe One was the thug thing and then when they get to looting Yeah we get to shootin' We get to shooting or now He didn't say we No he didn't The way he couched it was You can take it either way It was like one of those

1:19:10 Yeah, Trumpisms. When the looting starts the shooting starts with the exact quote. The shooting starts right because then he could walk it back to say well I meant the criminals will start shooting but it was a dog whistle to his base which I think he leaned into his base you know because... Well let's just be honest here let's just be honest He's trying to win an election Yeah, I didn't like it either. I was sure he didn't mean that if you start looting we're gonna start shooting. I didn't like it It wasn't necessary. I think it was uh... I didn't like it! I think it was inflammatory. It was lame. It was red meat! And let me tell ya, pissed a lot of white people off. Yeah, honestly, it was red meat

1:19:56 and he had to let his base know because he needs, he needs them to turn out. Yeah To win It's a political calculation I understand it like i said that doesn't mean they didn't uh rub me the wrong way yeah rubbed me the wrong way but I understand what he was doing because he's like okay I gotta throw my base let him know I'm the law or the president Let him know you're saying that looting won't go on see we don't need to say in a way that have plausible not deniability when I'm questioning on it then maybe I could say I can spin it to not mean what I like kind of wink-wink nod-nod to my base. See in Texas, because like I said he... Go ahead. No, I was gonna say it's in Texas we don't threaten with that you know so just don't loot. We don't have to say everyone knows what's going on here if we will end it. We're all armed here so don't mess around with us. You know how we get down? Yeah! So I thought it was like oh man really got to do that you New York piece of crap no I didn't like it

1:20:57 But he's trying to win an election. So I understood where the, where he was coming from. It doesn't mean it didn't rub me the wrong way and make me look at him kind of side-eyed but... But I have family and friends who are worried for their safety and that didn't help it so you know from I can't excuse it. I don't. No, no, I'm not saying you're excusing me. But I can even say because you're running I get it. Nah... nah, I don't like that I personally, as you always know. I look into the reason for why people do things and it's like this is this is what put myself in the orange man shoes and there's like hmmm This black vote thing is kind of experimental You know if I can get the same 5% right? Because they were trying to triple it right they're trying to get up to 15%. He's like sure sure I'm not gonna chase that 15 percent to lose

1:21:58 the confidence of my base. To lose the base, yeah okay I'm down with that which is sick! Yes it is sick That's the way it works and I think Obama now let's go back to him saying this same thing he couldn't look to be seen as weak on crime with Hillary Clinton coming up right in you know so he had double down and say thugs and he doubled down on it so both of them are playing this political game that's why if I'm gonna call it, I gotta call it fair. Yeah yeah I'm with you yep It's straight on both sides I understand why Obama said it made me sick I understand why Trump said it made me sick because the last thing you want to see is B is weak on crime The difference is? When when it comes to election The M5M media uh

1:22:48 plasters wall to wall when Trump does something like that although they didn't because they're too stupid. They missed this one right? Oh man, they missed a big time! Yeah they missed it yeah they missed the huge opportunity because they've been down this road before I've got clip after clip of M5M news readers talking about the the thug word being the same as the N-word so What the media did not do, although he doubled down on it and had a news cycle of 24 hours is hound President Obama about it. So there's your big difference. Obama was never called racist

1:23:26 And maybe they didn't do it because they knew Kylie would slam them the way she does and says, oh well you didn't have a problem when Obama said it. I mean, maybe they pulled back and was like... Kylie! This is Kylie's new thing yeah that's right. Oh really? Do you remember when Obama said it?! Right. You thought through that one good. I like it. So we got to get to the word origin of thug and the word thug comes from the word thuggie. Are you aware this term? No, I'm not it comes from India and so that thuggies were basically this band of um

1:24:11 assassins and robbers and you know really bad guys. It's just a term that people use, and they will attack the colonizers in India. Yeah I'm putting this in the show notes everybody it's very interesting yes The Thuggies okay It even popped up in a popular movie, Indiana Jones. I think it was in Temple of Doom and I have a clip explaining the thuggy across the deepest darkest jungles of India there lies a secret network of ancient temples In centuries past these were the sites of horrific rituals but today they are merely ruins reminders of dark power that is best forgotten

1:25:00 Beneath the majesty of Pankot Palace, however this power still burned kept alight by the cult of Thuggi. A secret religious society centered in India, the Thagi were united in their worship of Kali. Goddess of time, change, death and the eradicator of all evils The Thagi committed acts of terrorism and mass murder in her name while offering up human sacrifices in their scattered temples Their ultimate goal was to rule the world through the power of Kali I love that. Good! So we're going to look at the esoteric meaning

1:25:42 Thug in today's it could be this similar because hip-hop is often referred to as a death cult. Yeah, as well Because he worships you know Death and destruction so I just want to lay that out and Tupac It wasn't missed on Tupac with the origin of thug He knew because I think uh What was the guy's name? He's like his basically adopted father you know, hipped him to the word thug. So he just went throwing this term around lightly. He understood what the origin of the word was. That's how great art works! Mm-hmm so going back to Baltimore this is where we get into the conspiracy is

1:26:29 The second wave allowed to do what they, excuse me. Is the third wave allowed to do what they do? And then there's this cat and mouse game between the police and the second wave we get into the crime surge after riots A deadly and violent weekend in Baltimore, 29 people shot resulting in nine deaths bringing the death toll for the month of May to 35. The deadliest month in the city in 16 years. Baltimore's police commissioner says police are struggling in the Western District where Freddie Gray was arrested. Anger and mistrust between police and community

1:27:11 at an all-time high. A veteran Baltimore police officer who asked to keep his identity hidden tells CNN the spike in murders and gun crimes in Baltimore is the direct result of a coordinated police work slowdown. Why do you think that there's a great increase in the murder rate and number of shootings in this town? Officers stopped being proactive Not patrolling? Not patrolling, just stopped being proactive Not talking to community? Not talking to them but stopped being proactive I believe it was a direct result from officers holding back

1:28:02 poof. So this was 2015 right after Freddie Gray, they had the riots then the cops said you know what blue flu? Yeah we're not doing it we're not doing it so what I'm laying out is is this all part of a structure you have a bad actor come in do something then you have the rioting and then you have the cops Pain is bad and you say, okay fine. And then you have more crime and then you have a crackdown due to the surge. Oof! I'm not saying everybody's involved and i'm going to make that quite clear here...I think there's a small covert brotherhood inside of many many different fields The medical field, the police field even education

1:29:15 That kind of steer or the catalyst for things to happen. And then they step back because they have their marching orders I'm just going to say that and i'll lay it out later but just so people know where i'm going with this But now you have somebody come to the scene Rathamone. Ah, yes our new leader. So Chazz is a nation without leaders it's a flat system it's anarchy how long can that continue? Probably not very long Anarchy isn't built to last in the end the strong always dominate the weak and in fact that's already happening It took barely a day for the nation of Chazz to get its first warlord

1:30:01 And it was quite a promotion for him. Just a week ago, Raz Simone was an up-and-coming rapper He was also a super host for Airbnb Now he's a monarch In videos taken within Chazz, Simone is seen patrolling the area with his allies They have guns They're declaring we're the police now! in one clip The Monarchs men assault a citizen of Chaz for spray painting graffiti inside the zone. Just like the mafia, Chaz doesn't put up with nonsense like that in their own neighborhood." So couple of observations after having paid attention to the show so far I just loved it just throwing in a super anything and always not a super predator but just throw on a Superhost of Airbnb just thought was interesting in light of what we're talking about. Of course he's a rapper

1:30:50 Um, gee maybe we should listen to what he's rapping about. And it's not important I mean it is important but the fact that they can say he's a rapper Oh yeah That gives him credibility And now you have a black man and you brought this up about the left being okay with now guns. Oh yeah, there's not why is that? I'm going to ask that question but why all of a sudden now it's okay to have guns. I mean everybody has guns while you're talking about guys plucked out and put it on a pedestal

1:31:26 Raz and Chaz. It's like somebody wrote this in some kind of... So first of all, the what about-ism or what Fox News would argue back and forth with MSNBC and CNN is how come everyone was all oh my goodness there's white guys with guns hanging out at the Capitol? And that's all scary! We have to be frightened they're far right and they're probably KKK Nazi quadroons whatever But then we got black guys walking around with guns and the same people seem to be okay. And we know Democrats have a huge plank in their whole political agenda... Yeah, not talking much about the assault rifles these days at all! I mean because usually they'll say well this is not the way to go right? They're not saying this is the way to go and the reason why I laid out the blue flu is this doesn't Chaz doesn't happen without George Floyd Right

1:32:29 So now you have the police backing off. That way, the radicals can show their full hand and gain territory and this is what happens. Now we have They can't use the Fox knows like they probably have a list of words we can't use. Like, OK, we can't use super predator. Nope, that's on the list. Can you thug? No, that's on the list rapper Lord Warlord no no war lord. That's the new one. Yeah, exactly. Warlords There's no war but or is there? But the warlord I mean that has you know this goes when i was saying about the kids being child soldiers yes back in early 90s this lends to that point I made there now they're warlords so I went and found some tape of Raz Simone speaking at a Black Lives Matter protest

1:33:34 We say black lives matter but that's not something to do with life. Black trans lives matter, make some noise y'all! Only time we ever come together and we all... You know what I'm saying? It's like black lives matter, but women's lives matter, but trans lives matter, but we're the... Yes, we are, make some noise y'all! We have so many media sources trying to divide us But we didn't pick up that these memes were also trying to divide us

1:34:17 We thought, oh boy I like that meme. Fuck cis males! Oh I like that meme white people... No all of that is propaganda. Propaganda we saw what happened we saw how Russia infiltrated us their spies literally just used memes to infiltrate us What? Wait a minute this guy Is he a senator and i didn't know it is he uh in the house of representatives He's called pull-in on the russia gate I'm using that clip on no agenda. Thank you. He feels the pressure because he knows what made the point last time everything about this whole George Floyd Black Lives Matter Inc Everything the cisgender black male has been the face of it Yes, he realizes that

1:35:15 This is why he's been elevated to the position he's been elevated too, because when it hits the fan... It was like oh! It was straight black guys. You know they're white people are black people? And by the way we know it can't be the LGBTQQIAPK Black capital B People Because look how nice it was in Brooklyn. They had a great little rally everything was fine everyone's happy It's the black guys. Yes, the straight black guy is that they're the problem? That's the front every turn the Atlanta cops The only cops really hurt, not the one that did the shooting. We'll talk about that a later date I'm talking about the ones that harassed the two kids from Morehouse and Spelman. Oh yeah, the Rockefeller created HBCUs Yeah those five cops black The black cop that was killed guarding the pawn shop Black guy

1:36:14 You know, who else? George Floyd himself. Black guy. All along the hallway black, black, black, black, black, black straight men and now we have Raz Simone from Chazz. You can't make this shit up man! This is so good it is so good So I got this clip and forget what podcast that comes from but I just want to hear the conversation and they talk about uh Chaz takes a dangerous turn for the worst. Take a look at this clip everybody it says Raz is handing out AR-15s from the back of his Tesla.

1:36:59 If you have a Tesla, you're living comfortable. You're privileged. Isn't this the case with a lot of these like Occupy occupation style protests? Trust fund babies... No look it's always the people who have means to actually do this stuff. So take a look at that. It says in Washington to own an assault rifle a person must be 21 plus if outside their own home or business They can charge Raz with a gross misdemeanor for the first transfer to anyone under 21, then a felony for everyone after. In this video you actually see this dude Raz now they've been calling him the warlord of the Chaz. So now we got Chaz handing out AR-15's out of the trunk of his Tesla. Actually yeah the Tesla doesn't have a trunk and he only got like a thing in the front

1:37:53 Oh, excuse me. I haven't had the luxury of driving one yet. I drove one for a weekend once and it's not worth it Moe don't worry we're missing out on something He's handing our AR-15s out to the front of his Tesla Excuse me, if I stand correctly That's alright just making sure we dot the Is across Ts Of course he's handing it you know white kid Yo yeah! He's corrupting young white youth This is Razz here come on Come on, man. Joe Biden. Aw man! And he just conveniently called- you couldn't do this in a warehouse somewhere? I mean like... You're doing it on the streets?! This whole thing stinks Well of course it does It's just waiting for something to happen, I guess Oh it goes deeper Adam I wish it was just that simple But let's get into the dangerous turn for the worse part too In my opinion, you know what I find really funny

1:38:52 Where are all the gun control lefties to be like you shouldn't be able to lend a gun to somebody I don't think you can. I don't think that's legal. I think you can in some in some places That's why I throw it to the chat now Can you argue are you allowed to take a weapon and be like oh, yeah? They're saying no You can't do nope overwhelm No, well, I don't know if you've actually asked yet or maybe did but it's dear It's an overwhelming no anyway. I feel bad this raz is gonna get that guy killed um Yeah. Yep, that whoever it is. Interesting first of all I think this panel of experts is wrong. I believe that is a loophole that is a proposed law that people want to close. Oh you can give guns? Yeah I think we can too but I just wanted show

1:39:42 that the warlord thing is sticking. Oh, of course it is! He's a warlord! Yeah he's running around... They have no idea what a warlord is if you're using this and It was Tucker Carlson who launched that as far as I know. I don't think anyone else-I think he launched it. He's the first person I heard talk about- Yeah, yeah. That's first I heard too. Uh, Razz. I'm about to say Chaz but yeah The first person to talk about Razz and in the Warlord But he said it in kind-but do you know wha? But he said it in a mocking way because he's been doing the shtick of, well then the brand new nation of Chaz you know brrraaah. He's mocking it which is entertaining to a degree but that he threw in The Warlord and I think he meant it cynically or kind of as him in a mocking way but it's really been taken quite seriously this term. It stuck! Yeah it did just so right And we've seen this before black men with guns being demonized with The Black Panthers and the Munford Act

1:40:42 In early 1967, the Black Panthers organized armed patrols through the poorest neighborhoods of Oakland California. An act that some call the beginning of the modern gun rights movement. We would get out of the car and walk up to the scene Those who had rifles would carry them in the open and clearly visible We would stand at a distance where the police couldn't say they were interfering with their arrest or their detention of the individual and make sure that there was no brutality. The police were confronted by citizens who are not just voicing their opinions but were armed Yeah, that was Ronald Reagan I heard in there and i think this is from the Ronald Reagan era

1:41:36 It is. But the beginning of the modern gun control began with armed black men. Thanks again for leading! Crikey. What do they have up their sleeve for Mr. Razz? What's really coming here? I'm thinking when I say these things, I'm like you're handing guns out of a Tesla either front of a Tesla and to white kids on camera this seems like a setup yeah likes something that happens so we can really get something going here if we can get some gun laws

1:42:18 Because then you can say even the left can't get guns right. I didn't mean that as a pun, but... No, they can! Yes very good So now we got to take everybody's guns of course right? Obviously we got kids with Teslas Right So let's get to the second part of the Black Panthers clip. Mr. Wilford, your bill—you held your bill back despite what you have in mind? Well first it is my intention to make it a felony to bring a loaded weapon into the state capitol I think that incident points out shockingly that laws are inadequate but also serves to emphasize the fact that laws are inadequate

1:43:01 to protect the innocent public when bands of armed people, let me make it perfectly clear this has nothing to do with any racial incident because in my testimony yesterday there were five white groups I discussed and one Negro group. But when bands of armed people with loaded weapons can move about our streets intimidating and frightening citizens. I think we should act, and we intend to act." That's how they were seen huh? Now the Black Panthers that were protecting their own citizens! At least that's what i learned it was completely okay for people to have loaded guns in California up until this point but of course is not race-related oh no that's just a helluva coincidence

1:43:45 I'm telling you, man. This thing stinks! Yes yes yes and when you really start to dig into who are the Black Panthers it even stinks any even more we begin today's show with explosive new allegations that the man who gave the black panther party some of its first firearms and weapons training, was an undercover FBI informant in California. Richard Aoki was an early member of the Panthers and the only Asian American to have a formal position in the party He was also a member of the Asian-American Political Alliance that was involved in the Third World Liberation Front student strike

1:44:23 The claim that Aoki was informed on his colleagues is based on statements made by a former agent of the FBI in a report obtained by investigative journalist Seth Rosenfeld, author of the new book Subversives. The FBI's war on student radicals and Reagan's rise to power. Oh man this is so good and you know as just as your kind of setting us up I can already feel where it's headed but for sure There's always been a move like if we can just disarm everybody, then we'll really have control. And man it was an article in The Nation and it was about Trump's seeming lack of response. This is why when you were talking about set up something that something's going on

1:45:17 It obviously, at surface level analysis it's obvious Trump is being baited. He's being baited from a political standpoint nothing would be better for Joe Biden to have the 101st Airborne cracking skulls of kids in downtown Seattle so I think he's not going to do that Yeah, you know it's like that's what we need. Kent State Trump! You know that's exactly what they're going for It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you don't anything at his base and I think that's why he had to throw red meat to him because like he has this still scene in control even though he knows his hands are tied that he really can't do anything it's like when your kid acts up in the supermarket You really want to spank them but its like ahh I don't want Karen calling the cops on me My mom Here is what my mom would do

1:46:18 She would grab my face with her hands and squeeze so hard. And she's like, aww are you feeling better now? Are you going to be a little bit quieter? My mouth would be like a goldfish. I know exactly what your talking about. Did you get that or did you guess it? Is Ray Lee Tall tactical? That's where she got it from, no doubt. What did your mom do? The exact same thing or like okay... Or through clenched teeth say yeah what should I get you home? Yeah but the squeeze that's taught in Mom boot camp

1:46:57 We got to remember to talk about that because you know we had the hairbrush, we had all kinds of stuff. I'd just like to know if at one point we should talk about that see what differences there were in our households or similarities. That's exactly what it is! The kids are acting up in the grocery store and Trumps like, I can't get you here. You know? Right. Exactly right his hands are tied yeah but It's amazing how the Black Panthers are walking around the streets of California with FBI supplied guns. History repeats itself, no history repeats itself but let's get back into the second clip of the FBI informant. Over the last 30 years Rosenfeld sued the FBI five times to obtain confidential records he eventually compelled the agency to release more than 250 000 pages from their files

1:47:46 In this video, produced by the Center for Investigative Reporting, Rosenfeld explains how he first stumbled across information about Richard Aoki. Was my informant I developed him Seth Rosenfeld reports that Aoki may have been covertly filing reports on a wide range of Bay Area political groups according to the bureau agent who recruited him He interviewed Aoki twice in 2007 about those allegations Where'd you get this from? What's what's the source of this? That's Amy show. What is it?

1:48:37 What is their what is there NPR not in PR with um PBS yeah oh and Democracy Now? Yeah Democracy Now yes okay so this is not from some white right wing publication. This is the left talking about how they are these groups were infiltrated, So I found this other clip of another ex FBI informant. And he really lays out how that process works, uh, the infiltration and how it's tracked in a and goes on in the summer of 1978 I interviewed a man who worked as an informer for the FBI during the 1960s his name is Dothard Perry also known as Ed Riggs also known as Bill Perry also known as Othello. How were you paid?

1:49:27 The pay was always in cash. Cash and you would sign a card, it would go like this... A rendezvous or drop off point will be picked out either by yourself or the agent You meet the agent there usually it will be in vehicle, you get into vehicle he will hand you money He will tell you first to count the money, he will tell you amount while you counted If the amount was there, he would then bring out a card. On that card would be for the week of such and such in other words the week was dated so-and-so has been paid the amount of... Then you would sign the card and then the agent would sign the card The reason for this is that if all of a sudden the IRS became very interested about where you were getting all this extreme money from You could always tell them to go back to their bureau And the bureau will have your cards on file

1:50:22 Convenient? Taxable income. Yes! We'll exempt you from that, no problem. Nice I just wanted to give a background how these interactions took place and the incentive actually there were incentives to collect even more information Were there such things as bonuses oh yes What were they paid for? Bonuses were paid for, suppose while you were meeting with Bobby Seals, Chu Lai of the Red Army happened to come to the meeting too. Which is something which would be a new development. That's bonus time In other words, a hot piece of information Hot piece, very hot piece

1:51:21 Did you ever suffer pains of conscience? Quite a few times. Quite a few times I still suffer pains of conscience. Uh, I suffer from the fact that a lot of people trusted me and I misused their trust. I suffer from the fact that uh...a lotta information that i gave out was the undoing of certain groups or certain people Now wait a minute Did he just implicate Bobby Seales, one of the founders of the Black Panthers? One of the originators. Well that was the West Coast Panthers see I'm not gonna go down to Panther rabbit hole today because there is a difference between Fred Hampton East Coast

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2:22:47 I think you sent it to me. It was the nurse that exposed what was going on in New York. The undercover nurse, yes? The undercover nurse, yes. She said a couple things... well she said a lot but she said a couple of things that I wanted to pluck out and just share with people and then think about it in this-in that same mindset into the police department so what we have here is the setup to fail I don't know. Honestly, I have no idea how there is... I should probably set this up a little bit better just so people can see because the video of hers really didn't get as much traction as i thought it would and maybe correctly so? I don't know okay um This was an army veteran who had uh nurse who had served in Iraq

2:23:42 done I think two tours and she works at a small hospital, private hospital in Florida. And when the coronavirus struck New York City she went to New York to Elmhurst which is the epicenter of The Epicenter as we've learned from the brilliant Governor Cuomo where, you know this is where people were dying left and right. They had the refrigerated trucks instead of the morgue it was full it was horrible and she has done this long expose what she feels were all incredibly bad practices an equivalent of death panels of deciding who lives who doesn't mistakes procedural issues possible choices being made for money really eye-opening

2:24:30 I will disclaim it, Joe by saying that I've had several medical professionals email me and they do take issue with some of the things she says. Although there's a lot of things that everyone agrees on but i'm very so...I think this will stand by itself whatever the clips are I haven't heard them So that's who The Undercover Nurse is and she has a book coming out in all kinds of stuff so we'll learn more about her and people have the opportunity to debunker if necessary But it shocked me for sure.

2:25:13 I think a lot of them are just stone cold, you know there's no emotion and they don't view people as people anymore. You almost feel like you're literally living in the twilight zone and you feel like your the only sane one in a bunch of insane people And it's scary because these are the people that others are trusting to take care of them and their really doing the opposite I'm to the point where I'm afraid that I'm gonna start thinking that this is normal. And I don't wanna ever get to that point because they think that, like the people I work with that are local nurses and doctors don't see anything wrong with us. Like all these negative tests and they're putting them on these fans hopeful that there'll be put on this COVID floor is murder it's straight up

2:26:12 It is setting these people up for failure based on money. Medicaid pays out, or who's paying this bonus of $29,000? I believe it's Medicaid and Medicare. It's government money Let me alley-oop this for you Okay So the one thing that was interesting that both these... And one of them is a resident at this hospital and I verified that and another is is a nurse practitioner, which is much higher than a registered nurse. Both of them were hurt by this allegation and it was very telling to me they were hurt by the allegation that the professional medical professionals would not seeing these people as individuals anymore

2:27:07 And they felt that was actually something that hurt the feelings of the families, etc. So while they had technical differences of opinion this hurt them personally to hear this and I have not pushed back and I don't know these people personally but i think this does happen in...I've seen it...I've been around military and you get a...you start to dehumanize people because there's no other way of you humanly dealing with the grief that you're seeing unfolding before you. Does that make, is that, is that the alley-oop for you or am I off base? That's exactly where I was going and now not talking about the individuals that she discussed. She even said she's fearful that she would become like that. Yeah, she will become like that. Now what I want to do is paint a parallel with the medical

2:28:03 industry with policing. Before you even do that, I have two very good friends... Did I consider good friends? Both EMTs And I often will say, hey let me ask you about that. Like George Floyd said what are you seeing? Just from the video evidence what is your experience because these are the very same people who go into these situations and who themselves are threatened by people around them while they're trying to help somebody they get threatened sometimes they help somebody the person comes out of it and they want to kill them for getting them and it's a crazy occupation

2:28:45 And I'll just give you one example, it's very telling. Even though this guy... One of my favorite guys in the world he is in Denver and when asked about George Floyd the way he described that as soon to be deceased person that how he described in his reply at the situation with George Floyd and he wasn't doing it to be funny He was doing because that how he deals with what he sees every single day And so it happens when you deal with a lot of negativity and role destruction family drama have no idea the horrible things these people see what even happened in regular industry I mean where you just.

2:29:32 a part is $20,000 and you just break it. And it's like oh well I mean you don't even contextualize... You don't even think about the twenty thousand dollar part that you just busted. Right! It's just like oh yes! Oh well right yeah So what we're seeing here I wanted to parallel on the show is all of this federal money came in after 94 Yeah The 94 crime bill Yep and it was like your dealing with little yummies right? Your dealing with these super predators Um, you know they have no empathy. I don't care how they got there. This is Ms Clinton's words we don't care how they got there We just need to make them heal right? That was her words. So if police going into streets and then see these kids and dehumanize em uh really they dont relate with them cause their not from the community They dont understand that come from a totally different um

2:30:29 background question we I go ahead do the black cops also not come from the from the same background no because like you said if you like to pop there when you get money move out it got it if you have a father a father wouldn't have his kids in that kind of environment it'll be safe for me for instance it would be crazy for me to move to West Baltimore Even though I would love to be around my people, right? And bring change and try to you know what i'm saying um Bring education. It's like the risk versus reward We all are humans that make these uh these calculations so

2:31:15 A lot of these nurses and the parallel making cops say, well you know what? I'm not even going to make waves. Because he'll be dead by 25 anyway so a knee in his back... something's gonna get him if we're not gonna kill him somebody is gonna kill him When you deal with this kind of thing and it's like, and then you're being funded. And your livelihood is based on it. And then everybody's like nobody scared to say anything because the hardest thing is to get one person to speak up when one person speaks out, didn't it breaks down? It breaks the ice right in there. Everybody kinda chimes in before that one person saw what I wanted to say here is The same thing happened here she said they're set up to fail. What do they do They put healthy people in with contaminated people

2:32:03 They do the same thing in jail. You take a first time offender and you put them in with hardened criminals And you expect them to survive. How do you survive? You're saying, to make it out of the jungle, you say you have to become an animal. Right! I'll just bring them back to the streets and it's like yeah operated right so I'm just want to draw that is not and that's why I was saying this is a systemic problem in the business world Well, I mean we're helping so many people with our medicines. So what? We kill a thousand with our new prescription you know we say... As long as we can keep them on the good stuff and keep them going on the subscriptions prescriptions

2:32:48 Yeah, so I just want to lay that out because when i heard her talking and was like wow this is the same mentality that cops have or not all cops. Like a lot of cops it's like well its protocol you can always hide behind protocol right? Training and Protocol yeah they taught us how to choke people so they must want us do it this is how I do my job. Now, i'm not saying they're not bad actors either because as these clips progress to the end of the show we're gonna investigate these people that intentionally do these things. I think there are people in certain levels of the medical field and policing and education

2:33:41 that do with the setup to fail. I mean, they create the system that is set up to fail so i'm not taking them off the hook either. So I guess let's move into the next clip uh higher ups it's government money but I don't know exactly where it's coming from but I know that it is but I know the orders are coming from um the above someone above and everybody says that it's someone higher up and like Good call them like during that DNR when they're telling us or the the full coat when they're telling us not to you know Do CPR I'm like, all right. Call your higher-ups then let's talk about and they wouldn't because they're all scared Everybody's scared and everybody's scared to stick up for themselves And I've called a lot of doctors unethical to their face and They deserve it Yep

2:34:36 Now, it's exact but this is it. This is everywhere It's in the it's in the company that you just described where someone breaks a $20,000 part to well the higher-ups and somebody up there today We had an MTV we had they and so all of us said it was a day It's like and I would always it was a joker on the studio So who's they shut up curry? So why do we have to say Michael Jackson king of pop if they said so okay And that's how it goes and then at the time. I had no ground to stand on, so I'll do it okay whatever you tell me to do fine and especially go ahead let me cut y'all but especially when you're in a field such as nursing or policing of... You have a mortgage? You got kids? You got braces? You know all these things like just go with the flow!

2:35:32 want to question this COVID thing. A lot of people want to question the things that go on they see in the news, but it's like you know what? At the end of the day I gotta take care of me and mines right? That's that's the mentality-the me and mines mentality even myself I mean, I try to keep a low profile because i had to take care of me and mines right? What we're seeing right now with the virtue signaling the donating money is all for ultimately to take care of me and mine. Hey as long as my brand says we support Black Lives Matter Inc., As long as you say we support Black Lives Matter, holding the sign, as long as I am marching

2:36:19 Then I'm good. Otherwise, silence is violence. Silence is complicity." I don't want that! That's what people say of course. I don't virtue signal and neither do you but we have different things to lose like dignity but this is why people are doing it. Some of it yeah... We've talked about white guilt etc., etc.. But certainly for brands and corporations easy way out. Easy It's called self-preservation. I mean, at the end of the day you have to do what is best for you and your family and a lot of times like i said

2:36:59 is I think the nurses look the other way. They know in their gut, police look the other way they know the bad actors but it's like you know what that's not... What do say? That juice is not worth to squeeze? You know that kind of thing It's like and I'm not um that's not the hill I want to die on Well just for another show we should certainly look at the way policing and prisons are portrayed in the media, and in shows, and in drama, and entertainment. It does not reflect the reality of... Yeah if you're policing the first wave? Okay that's one thing. You're policing the third wave? Use a whole different level. And let me ask you this- I don't want to go down that rabbit hole but Does it influence

2:38:01 How people police like a police officer sits back watch law and order he's like okay, that's how I need to do it. I mean cuz we're We are impacted Here's what that has done? What what has happened is with Dvorak would bring this up regularly the way policing and investigation is portrayed on television. People actually believe you can do, hey stop I see a reflection in the bumper zoom in rotate enhance ah it's that guy! I got him right people you know like I used to be old remember the old FBI TV series? It would always go like this yeah FBI bad guy pew pew pew shoots FBI one shot guys down done

2:38:46 It was always the same. So it influences the public as to how they perceive and what they think is really going on, and I don't think the public actually understands what every police call can be like in certain areas. And I don't think they understand how easy it is to dehumanize that situation. I've seen the same with military I guess the question i'm making is, the way they're portrayed in the media does that put them on a pedestal that they're above being questioned? I mean say for instance Bill Gates for instance. Bill Gates he wrote code or whatever he did. He didn't even really write it. Dr. Bill. Yeah right but now if he's like that smart

2:39:30 Of course he can solve the vaccine problem. It's like, no he can't but I'm just saying that these things start to shape people's minds but a movie before we get into his next set of clips I want to point to is Training Day because I think inside the police department at some level there is a just keep the streets clean no matter how you got to do it I think it's a small group. First, per I think it differs per location but yes of course. I'm talking about interstate when we're talking about the major cities with you know

2:40:14 New York, LA, Chicago. You know DC these main cities would have very violent crime right? And we're not talking about Mayberry here you know but so you gotta say you know We got to fight fire with fire I mean it's the mentality they have we gotta fight fire with fire. You know you that use a tip of the spear you know these are things like no and if I said training day The gods if people ever seen that those were like the City Council and chief of police, you know those kind of people like hey No Just get the job done, clean up streets. You know that kind of thing? So I think that actually exists not in a fictualized way but i think there is... Well I have proof of it uh and this next clip members of Masonic Police Force arrested

2:41:02 Three suspects in California are accused of running a fake police department and put under arrest. One of the suspects even works for California Attorney General Kamar Harris. I'm 48 Hours Crime Siders, Michelle Sagona The ruse began in January when the San Diego Sheriff's Office says various police chiefs in Southern California began to receive letters from the Masonic Fraternal Police Department. The letter said specifically that David Henry was now the Chief and he was requesting a meeting with each agency according release, Captain Roosevelt Johnson of the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff's Office actually accepted a meeting with Henry, Tonette Hayes and Brandon Keel. They showed up dressed in uniforms and said they were setting up shop in the area

2:41:44 All three were arrested and now charged with impersonating a peace officer. The group claims to have jurisdiction in 33 states, and in Mexico." Now this I remember the story because it was tied to Kamala Harris It came and went real quick! It was here-and-gone And I remember there were cops looking at these guys like who are these guy? They thought they were cops even let him into the police station We're giving them a tour thinking they were real...it was nuts Or were they real? That's what I'm saying. When I start the question is like Kamala Harris, does she have her own little police force going on? Maybe. Right! Like do it off the books you know we always see these special task forces and be like... You know damn Moe this is so good. I think about that so often

2:42:34 Who are these guys? What is their uniform, what part of they... you know at a certain point you just see military outfits that you don't know anymore. Yeah and not to murky muddy the water I was going make this one statement out of it you don't even have to reply if you don't want too we saw the ambulance that came picked up George Floyd Yes. Two cops hopped out of the ambulance, two armed cops! Okay stop stop I wanted to go there with you but... We're gonna cover it in a minute but i'm just showing you who the hell were they? No the reason why is because I asked this question specifically because I saw that happen too and

2:43:22 This may not be the case you're looking for. They actually were wearing the exact uniforms that that particular county's ambulance service services... Okay, but I mean, I'm just at that question popped in my head when you see this kind of stuff But they didn't trust me. They weren't actually armed, they had like my buddy referred to it as EMT nerd gadget stuff like you know holders for this and a little belt clip for that he didn't think they were actually armed in that could be wrong okay I mean these are the questions we ask yeah um We see these guys get arrested and it was one

2:44:06 involved with Tupac. This is where it comes full circle. Oh, these government he was an agent his name was Haitian Jack and he was allowed you mean like kind of like he pops up he does these crimes he gets in affiliated you know what I'm saying with the criminals but he's a quasi police officer. And like these FBI agents The guy that I spoke to, Darth Hard Perry. He was burning down buildings... I'm gonna cover him in another case but these quasi police officers. Yeah go ahead. You don't even need quasi-police officers we'll just take the FBI as an example We call it the six week cycle What they do and this is really important because this makes so much sense when you bring this in

2:44:59 Go look at the actual arrest of the affidavits from the special FBI agents when they arrest yet another Very low IQ individual who they've been rather than the whole transcript tells you their reports Well, we we saw this guy's Facebook post and we thought he could be radical now instead of Go into this guy and said hey, man. What are you posting? You need to talk somebody what's happening with you? Let me just let have a chat with you know know what the cops do now in the FBI I'll just call them cops some of these FBI agents is they start to stoke him up like, hey yeah wouldn't you like to blow something up? Yeah I'd like to blow some well we could get you some guns or some ammo and then they long story short they load up a truck with sandbags give the guy a burner phone and say you type this number it'll blow up he types in there arrest them save the day that the FBI did. And that is completely

2:45:54 I completely believe this is being done in this instance with either the provocateurs or the third wave, whoever we need. Definitely that it's taking place. And there was another movie... because I don't want to digress into movies too much but there was another movie with Matt Damon and what's the most famous guy in Hollywood? Brad Pitt It was in Boston he's like a real ladies man what is his name? Ben Affleck no not Ben Affleck but anyway it was talking about Whitey Bulger. It was that story and basically they're like we got to take him down you're the only person that can know about this case, you know that kind of thing right it's like Leonardo DiCaprio I can't remember the name in the movie but uh...I'll look it up keep going yeah but anyway

2:46:54 Police that kick off certain things. I truly believe that in my heart, I can't prove it. Um, I have proof here of this group being arrested and they try to make them a crackpot group but these guys had official police equipment. They had police issued um... Unholy alliance? No it wasn't that one. It was- no no no no. Well I digress like I said Yeah, it doesn't matter. I'm just saying there-I think there is... if groups can be infiltrated police departments can be infiltrated too. Absolutely! That's the point iIm trying to make and then they muddy up things so let's just get into the second clip of the Masonic Police

2:47:42 They allegedly believe they're descendants of the Knights Templar and that their group was founded 3,000 years ago. But medieval scholars say their claims are incorrect and that the Knights Templar was founded during the 12th century Crusades in Jerusalem Their mission was to protect pilgrims visiting the Holy City And they answered to the Pope Some historians speculate that they were tasked with finding precious religious relics during the wars The Legend of the Knights has been featured in popular Hollywood films like The Da Vinci Code. But the Templars were created to protect the Holy Land and national treasure as for the suspects police say after serving a search warrant they uncovered an array of badges weapons uniforms and even police type cars and equipment at two different residences

2:48:30 A next-door neighbor who referred to David Henry and Tonette Hayes as a couple spoke out to KCBS. I always see them with their uniform, so I thought they were part of any chief department. I didn't know it was something fake or... On the website the group describes how they are different from police departments. The site says quote we are born into this organization our bloodlines go deeper than an application this is more than a job it's an obligation Investigators have not determined a purpose or motive for the organization. Authorities also believe others may be involved and they're accepting your tips to lead them to other suspects. Yeah, and nobody asked Kamala about this.

2:49:18 Yeah, I'm glad you brought this angle in that's so smart. That's so smart. I mean any anything Freemasonry Masonic order is always interesting of course For so many different reasons. I know freemasons obviously I don't think free mason is part of some conspiracy and now And I'm not saying that either because you have to have, I told you in every criminal organization. You had the good guy. You gotta have the guy that can actually cash a check and do the paperwork. You know? You need the clean guy and I think that's what most

2:49:57 of brother parts of the Brotherhood are. I think it's only a small portion that actually pulled the strings and make stuff happen, you know like oh we need to we need up we need a body over here you know to kick things off we need about you know these and when you start tracing the numbers in the dates in the symbolism there's a lot there there's a lot there um but then you ask why In this case, what is their goal? What would be their goal with the George Floyd and other... These things seem to happen like bam, bam, bam. Why? What are they trying to do Adam? What did they write in the streets in DC on Yellow Brick Road? What did they say? What did they write on Yellow Brick Road? The unofficial message. The official message was Black Lives Matter. What was that unofficial message that was written there in the same color and paint unofficially

2:50:54 Shit, Moe. I've seen... Defund police! Well yeah, I saw on 3AS that is now what is there defund police in the same exact letters and I believe that's now also in Austin Right And they also have painted defund police The goal it not going to be an absent or void of police There is gonna be the corporatization a police Yes. Reincorporation may be a better way to look at it. We can say that because we talk about the Pinkertons and I didn't want this show to be five hours, you know? But that's okay! We've seen this before with the Pinkertons and how they were bigger than US military at one time And they were ran by who? The Robber Barons

2:51:48 So why would they do it again? Why not a little foreshadowing. Robocop yes groovy, it's a groove The film is essentially set in the new future with the dystopic city of Detroit that was on the verge of financial ruin In order for the city to deal with this and the very high crime rate The mayor had signed a deal with a mega corporation called Omni Consumer Products giving them control over an underfunded police department In exchange for the reduction in crime, OCP was to be given permission to gentrify many parts of the city and turn it into a high-end utopia called Delta City. One of the ways that the company was hoping to achieve this was with the integration of a law enforcement drone called ED209 which is being developed by Dick Jones, the president of OCP Unfortunately for the company during one of the demonstrations the droid malfunctioned and gruesomely killed one of the executives

2:52:38 Seeing this as an opportunity, one of the ambitious junior executives called Bob Morton introduced his own experimental cyborg design which he called Robocop. And much to Jones's anger the owner of OCP approved this new concept in light of their recent failure Because the private company had ownership with a police force OCP intentionally began reassigning officers into the most dangerous parts of town hoping that one of them would be seriously injured enabling the company to use them as a test subject for the Robocop initiative Okay, what have you I'm sure you've already found it. Where's the lead where we go? All right, where does it happen? Where's the where's the RoboCop corporation one thing there's that's not a corporation yet But right after Freddie Gray died they started using drones in Baltimore and that's right as well documented That's right What company is that who supplied those drones Chinese Company? I'm just saying and then

2:53:40 Follow that up by people are hiring private police squads in Detroit. For well over a decade, Detroit has been struggling with retaining their cops In response an avalanche of private security companies have rushed in The reason why you're dressed like this is to be very very psychologically impressive So when they see how you're dressed they think you're serious Because you are serious — After the city filed for bankruptcy in 2013, budget and pay cuts have pushed cops towards better-paying police work outside of the city. — Clear! — Closed soon! — All right! That was excellent… What you're seeing is the beginning of an entire new industry which is threat management services. We are literally leading the way in a paradigm shift in safe public and corporate protection. — What do they call it? What kind of services?

2:54:32 Threat management services keep that write that down. Mm-hmm threat management services Where does this come from tell me where this is from where this is from what is it? This is from vice on HBO Vice, huh? So what we had was underfunded or defunded Police department the cops are leaving the good cops are going out to other townships and cities So they said, we need to hire our own private police. Sounds a lot like RoboCop in the same city! I like it because of course they'll dehumanize these officers because they are not... you know they're machines They're hired machines It's not a police force and now we're hiring company and we set strict rules And they're gonna treat them like drones Like their robo-drones, robocops

2:55:27 Right, until the actual surveillance comes in. I mean because then now it's... You know, you go to a kiosk in the corner. Hey I need to report something blah blah blah. You understand? It-you always bring up this point with Uber. You said Uber loses money every year right? You hop on this and we never got to discuss this but Uber loses money in the front end they'll make it all back in the back end when they get rid of the drivers bro yeah It's a long game. It's the long game! We'll put the drivers in there, people will feel safe... Annoying people, annoying drivers... So it'd be the same thing with police? It would just like you know some kind of drone card or drone... I know it sounds far-fetched but this is the same exact city from Robocop in 87 now they're doing the same private police due to underfunded or defunded

2:56:28 Police department in Detroit now. Come on now, come on! If you're gonna do a come-on I'm going to go...come on man! Come on man! It's the same thing. Do y'all not see this? They are not gonna go without cops and guess what is gonna happen? We are gonna hire the good guys that provide the right kind of policing Did we not see this with Blackwater slash Z? We sure did. Sure did and then what we report well military action is down you know, we're deploying less troops than ever of course you are! We got private companies doing our dirty work for us yeah now by the way it was the Clintons who first started to use that Hillary Clinton used a lot of Eric Prince's services Yeah she was Secretary State Private Police too

2:57:25 Brown says his 60-person Viper force has more than 5,000 private citizens as clients along with 100 businesses. Altogether the company brings in about $2 million a year This is a community that pays us to protect their community 24 hours a day seven days a week No home invasions no murders no rapes and no armed robberies whatsoever have been done here So police use law enforcement and what we do is use bodyguarding tactics to prevent predation. Our goal is to create conditions where violence does not occur, deter violent criminal behavior by projecting

2:58:05 So our vehicles have all white strobe lights, our vehicles are black and chrome. There's a strong sense that there is a strong organization that's protecting these people and then we speak to people very respectfully. And so we have all these different ways of showing that this is just not a good place to be a predator. And it's all non-violent and we're growing, more and more people they want us in their communities." It's all non violent? Yeah! That's magic...that's gonna work great! Because the corporations know they are liable

2:58:48 So it's like, hey be calm. You know don't you need to continue the business? The paradigm has shifted of now you got deal with police because police is part of fabric of society now it's like oh you can be replaced with a better company so and they probably poach the good police off just like private schools do. Of course, yeah of course! The same thing but then what does that leave with the bad communities not the bad community but the poor communities that can't afford good cops? Well what's wrong with Razz Simone? No Raz is a catalyst I know! That's your future you got a kid with a Tesla and he's gonna protect ya

2:59:37 No, he's the warlord. I agree with what you're saying but the point i'm making is you're gonna have worse cops oh yeah of course more more and more abundance. Worse cops and more abundant, patrol in the streets have poor interactions and then you can have more crime, more killings... They're gonna no interactions Moe they're gonna drive around with their chrome-and-white vehicles with huge strobe lights No I'm talking about in the poor parts That's what I'm saying The poor people are not going to be afforded private police They still rely on the poached... They're gonna get their own version

3:00:19 I think that's gonna happen too, Mo. I think you're going to see the public side of that will also be corporate driven. Yeah but then you get the McDonalds of police! Oh yeah, that'll work out great! It's like okay we pay this guy $9 an hour...to be a cop. I'm just predicting what is happening absolutely. No i'm agreeing with you. You will get the McDonalds and the police force. What how's that worked out for poor people? It was there for nutrition. No, it's par for the course really that just a piece we needed to complete it. It's horrible but I think you're spot-on and I'm glad you've taken this route. This is exactly where its headed. I love the Detroit RoboCop! You kidding me?! Spot on so let's just wrap up with the final clip Private Police 3

3:01:08 I think in areas in Detroit where you have these very affluent communities right in the heart of the ghetto, if you will. More and more people are utilizing services like threat management they've shown up whenever I called them and in fact their response time is so much greater than the Detroit Police Department that without them I would not be as comfortable Private security is booming in Detroit. The largest contractor has reported 25% year-over-year growth since the city's bankruptcy I had no idea and it's fantastic because you hear people make this exact argument saying that oh if you defund the police then all it's gonna happen as rich people will get their own private police and then of course what is left over? And I've even heard people saying this they're talking about federalized police, we're talking about

3:01:58 the people who are not protected by threat management, Inc. Yeah I think like you said it would just be tiers of quality You know you have your three two star police you know your three star four star five star and you know of course that the rich people will have the five-star police Of course And and the poor people to get whatever's left over and then it would just be more poorly trained people interacting with the wave three people and then they'll just keep going. It's a cycle, I mean this whole thing is set up to be this way. I don't have the proof like the smoking gun no pun intended but it's clear what's going on here they want to corporatize police not federalized

3:02:46 I love the corporate ties. We are going to have the great corporate police and then we'll have the McDonald's of police, I can see that clear as day. Why no one else sees this or why it is not being discussed in that manner? I guess it's because you're right, it is being set up. But that's really cynical to have to think that way because of course it means only for money and for one zone and screw the rest! Everyone's completely disingenuous With this whole thing you can get rid of police make a business out of which we've seen with private prisons

3:03:28 I mean, it's not a far fetch or a far leap. Not at all! Take people guns and then take over the back of the ideal places in the inner city because what did RoboCop promise to do? You know you let us take control of police we'll give your gentrified area- That's right Utopia It will be utopia i tell ya, its gonna be fantastic! It will look great on the brochure Oh my gosh... I hope im wrong Yeah well.. I pray Im wrong I don't think you're wrong in your future casting. I think what we're doing is letting people know that's what can happen and it's an election year, people! Think about it. Think about that guy with the boot on his head, that Vermin Supreme he's not quite as crazy as the other two Trump and Biden got a lot to catch up Thank you this was really good This was one of the best Saturday afternoons I've ever had I really loved it thank you so much Mo I appreciate it

3:04:26 I'm glad you enjoyed Adam and as i always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we'll be back next week remember you can find us at mofax.com this has been Mo Facts with Adam Curry episode number 41, Mo I'll talk to you next week! Alright see ya later Adam . she's a dreamer

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