59: Restoring Justice

00:00 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for February 23rd, 2021. This is episode number 59! It's been a while... We had a little bit of a climate challenge down south I'm Adam Curry in Austin Texas and my friend on the other end somewhere in Northern Virginia ladies and gentlemen Mr. Mo Facts! I-I'm in the groove man. Mo? Yeah

00:38 Can you hear me? Oh no, I can hear you. You said you were in the groove so i was letting you be there Like what did I do that I scare him off yeah I was just like oh yeah With the old song don't disrupt this groove So I didn't want to uh Thank you No I was just bumping and bopping along like yeah I can do this How are you doing Mo? I'm doing well Uh...You all thawed out Yeah we've got uh Well electricity restored That was out for a couple days And Oh man, that was right... That kind of happened right those days when we were supposed to record. A couple days before actually and then you know everyone's pipes were blowing up and so ours didn't luckily but we did have to boil water for a couple of days

01:22 grocery shopping tough because you can't have any produce and no restaurants are open but we're Texans and now it's, you know 70 degrees everything is fine as if nothing happened. It's the weirdest thing Birds are chirping everyone is back to normal oh well that was that And I felt kind of bad cause last year I was teasing about your 31 degrees then I turned on the news Well yes You damned us Mo! You put a curse on us And you were experiencing ice again. So, um... Yeah it was interesting to be in the crisis zone for real for once but everything's good everyone safe everybody we know is safe yeah everyone helped each other out well all good one little thing I did notice about your experience in Texas they didn't have a catchy name for or I didn't hear one do they have

02:21 That's a good question. No, I think just the polar vortex was the overall kind of thing that was discussed but... Down here. I think it was just like this situation That's probably what we call the dissituation Normally the climate things they always want to brand them. Yeah Branding there was no branding before it was there now that's interesting again, and he was right there. No Grab it. I don't know what happened. I think was too shocking really wasn't planned somehow Or as counter narrative yeah well there you go yeah

02:57 Enough narratives flowing around about that event for sure. Everyone's jumping in on it and of course black and brown communities suffered much harder than anybody else. They're always doing climate change. Disproportionate, yes! I'm just bringing you the latest news how are you doing Moe? Everything good up there or over there? Man everything is great we was under a layer ice ourself but nothing in comparison to what you experienced Slipping and sliding around everywhere. It was strange because it wasn't that much ground covering but everywhere was just like a sheet of ice, so you couldn't scrape it or you couldn't shovel it. Now are your kids back in school yet? Are they the best... Oh man! Is that ever gonna happen is there some light at the end of the tunnel? Well from this experience I'll say two things and then we can get into

03:52 To the bag, but I want to say two things about this experience of working from home and schooling from home. I think it took away the angst for me personally. I think for a lot of people that this may be the new normal For work, I know it's highly likely and if that's the case then homeschooling becomes a real option. Right because you see the quality education your kids are getting is like...I can top that! You better than that yeah Yeah so I'm not sure me and Mrs Facts or uh where our options um we're gonna discuss over this summer but i don't think they're going to go back this year That's just crazy man That is just crazy

04:37 Yeah, unfathomable. I mean, I don't have any kids anymore so it's like nothing has changed that much for us in that regard but i can just imagine what a change! Well luckily my wife works when she's part-time or when she is available to and then me working from home, we are one of the blessed families. I know a lot of people are having to deal with having to physically be at work and what do you do with your kids? So it is a sucky situation but luckily I'm in a blessed situation. Okay, so we're all caught up now Adam and Mo know what's going on in our personal lives. Why don't we spin that wheel of topics? Let's see what you got going on for us I'm excited it's been way too long where it stops nobody knows only mo knows this is the wheel of topics the topic for episode 59 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry is You can have your own thoughts bro okay

05:37 So we're gonna pick up. This is one of the few times that we pick up where we left off on the last show and we spoke about the African-American Museum in the District of Cairo, aka known as the District of Columbia DC and the African American Museum they built there. Did you go down some massive rabbit hole Moe? Is that what happened? Are we going deeper today? Oh, we're going to go on a super deep get that extra duty. Extra heavy duty 10 full already. Yep I'm ready it's all wrapped on i'm good to go yeah so I guess well like I said will pick up where left off this is throwback clip from the last show and this is tokenisms and whiteness when the National Museum of African-American history in DC first opened its doors to the public President Obama was there to commemorate it

06:35 Perhaps it can help a white visitor understand the pain and anger of demonstrators in places like Ferguson. But it can also help black visitors appreciate the fact that not only is this younger generation carrying on traditions of the past, but within the white communities across the nation we see the sincerity of law enforcement officers and officials Imagine a Democrat saying that today. He or she would be thrown out of the party for that level of nuance. Well, now instead of being a symbol of progress and reconciliation the museum has embraced the radical left's language of racial retribution all to cast America as irredeemably racist and an evil country And you, the American taxpayer are funding it isn't that neat? Yeah, racial retribution

07:30 Well, yeah we're gonna pick up on that in a second but this came out maybe around December from the National Museum of African American Studies. What we're talking about is The Smithsonian put out this piece called whiteness right talking about race Yeah, and this was this was the precursor To the things that you're seeing now. I don't know if your up to speed on a Woka Cola or not Yes in all the corporate training well I heard her how to describe this Woka Cola yet be yeah way for sure so

08:10 It's always amazing how these things time out. Now can I ask you, is that a big thing on black Twitter? Coca-Cola? Let me put it this way... So Tina keeps seeing this pop up on her Twitter which her timeline it's gonna be different from both of ours and so the coca-cola just being excoriated everywhere it can be done. Is that a thing or how was that viewed Well, my timeline's a little different. One because I'm not as active on Twitter as I used to be. I use it really just for promotion and things of that nature but also have a right-leaning black right leaning Twitter feed

08:55 So it came through in a different way. Not as, it came in as excoriating on this piece but I knew what the source material was. Is there some head shaking going on? Always! All this pandering... We're gonna get into this document What is pushing That's why I had to lay out the last show of Who's In Charge and where the narratives are coming from And I truly believe this National Museum of African American History and Culture is a propaganda hub. It's gonna be pushing things out like this, and like I said this came out in December

09:41 How can I say this? I know people close in corporate America and right after that, you had the all top 500. The Fortune 500 companies. All of them are doing this because you don't want to be the guy not doing it so... You bring in your white fragility lady. I forget her name now. Now wasn't some of this coursework available on LinkedIn the educational LinkedIn website? It was. It's gone?! What?? It was taken down so that lets you know it wasn't well received, so... Right okay Before we jump into- because that and what were gonna talk about did the parent document to what we've seen is gonna get way deep into that

10:36 But I wanted to pick up on a couple things that you picked right up on it, the racial retribution. And this is where the right always loses it they had a great opportunity Trump's doubled the black vote and the brown vote turnout from what they're normally getting yeah and instead of riding that progress They come with terminology because if you look at the word retribution It is punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act. Kind of the opposite of atonement? Well, Mr. Curry I'm glad you brought that up because I didn't clip it but we will be talking about this later but our word atonement

11:20 Oh, that's right. He got co-opted! Yeah yeah where did we find that in the wild? Who was saying that? That was at the HR 40 hearings. Right. Hershel Walker dropped it and he said... Atonement. Reparations and atonement. And I almost filled out my check. He had notes man. He was like wait a minute hold on a second let me show notes of MoFax over here oh yes atonement that's what word i'm looking for yeah that was pretty cool just to touch on that a little for one second the words matter we always say that reparations are non-starter because it when you say that word then people hear retribution yeah so where atonement is the offending party wants to make good perform the act yeah it's the point of performing the act not being forced forced to do it yeah so I just want to point that out and

12:13 Even though in this clip from Fox with our Ingram on the angle she puts out good information When you say words like that it falls on deaf ears and that just goes back to what you're saying How was it received right people roll their eyes when they hear everything that follows that? It's just it glosses over. You know, I think was that editorializing by Frau Ingraham or was she reading a direct quote? Oh She was editorialized. When people hear reparations from the right, they hear retribution I mean that's why i think it's a non-stop issue. Shame on her! There is no reason to do that Yeah, its not but its party line yeah...I don't like it

13:01 Well, they have to evolve. Either evolve or... and they have a golden opportunity. Evolve or dissolve? Yes exactly! And so we're going to get into part two of this that was the one of the clips that we covered in the last show but I split it up into two parts and so we're gonna get into Part B of that same throwback clip Now the museum now has a website dedicated to explaining the concept of whiteness and why its the root cause racism and oppression in America today According to the website, the normalization of white racial identity throughout America's history has created a culture where non-white persons are seen as inferior or abnormal.

13:43 And when they say whiteness, they don't just mean skin color. But also people who value things like individualism a stable nuclear family the scientific method rational linear thinking hard work Christianity and being polite Of course these are all values that most Americans especially African-Americans see as necessary for success and happiness So why in the heck is the African American History Museum telling them otherwise? They're pushing propaganda. That's why I'm looking at their website again and i'm like oh yeah now, I remember Oh, yeah cuz uh um D'Angelo Dr.. Diangelo. I believe she's a doctor She's up there they got bell hooks. I mean they went whoa whoa so if you see the The court the corp they must have 100 million dollars they got from these From the donors the founding donors Uh-huh

14:39 It's Oprah Winfrey Charitable Foundation, 20 million or above. Of course Bill and Melinda Gates but if you look at the American Express Boeing Ford GE Fox, Bank of America, Disney, GlaxoSmithKline Johnson & Johnson Nike just it's like a who's who oh my gosh is anybody you can imagine every bank the top 500 companies the fortune 500 companies easily easily this is a bonanza Wow And I wonder if this is part of that Time Magazine article, but we're not going to go down there. It's a whole separate rabbit hole, but I think it plays into that. But what I want to talk about today is the museum's attack on

15:28 as Ingram laid out, Ingraham laid it out. Scientific methods slash rational linear thinking individualism hard work Christianity slash being polite and stable nuclear family all of these are targets Right. All of these are targets and I don't understand how getting rid of these things help so-called black people or quote unquote black people, I don't understand how that works we need to have a linear thinking and scientific method that way...I mean as when we talked about the

16:05 the suspected issues with the election, we laid out the numerical facts. That's how you prove things is not emotion so if you take numbers and well I'm gonna go down the list... So we're going to start with scientific method and rational linear thinking. What we're going to do is going to go back a little bit And we talked about that I can understand where they come from, where they're coming from about there's some issues with how numbers are interpreted. It's interesting because um...I've tried to explain and i don't do a great job so I'll just set this up

16:47 When you hear math is racist, I usually say look Mo and I talked about this. That's because it goes back to the super predators when they had all these millions of kids who'd be running around killing everybody chopping their heads off and it turned out that was just a bullcrap like climate change no I'm sorry climate change or even the you know two-and-a-half million people gonna die in coronavirus and therefore because What they said can be disproven with mathematical truth math has to be racist. Did I get it right like that? That's exactly what their claim is But we're gonna look at how this true, but it's also dangerous when you throw statements out there like math is racist so let's go ahead and jump into clip for a superpetit super predator scare

17:39 A jogger murdered in New York's Central Park. A little girl gunned down in her family's car in Los Angeles. A judge has sentenced two boys for killing another child who refused to steal candy for them There is a tidal wave of juvenile violent crime right over the horizon And some who study it say, the worst is yet to come Life in the 1990s was dominated by a sense that youth violence was out of control The future looked bleak. To explain why, one word said it all... Super Predators! Some social scientists and criminologists looked at the data and saw doom They stepped out of their ivory towers and into the public arena to sound the alarm about a coming wave of kids who were going to ravage the country. Dum dum dum duckin' I'm gonna kill you da na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na

18:33 They got it wrong, but the problem is that people from the ivory towers are the same people this right in this Propaganda that's coming out of the Smithsonian. So It's like we got it wrong But trust us will get it right this time so that was a just a precursor that was for on show Throwback show me on Show 41 And well, I found some more evidence that possibly that math could be even more racist than we thought before. That we even previously thought! Okay all right Let's just go ahead and hop into algorithmic bias explained

19:09 Algorithms are everywhere. From powering our internet search results to taking out the guesswork in our online shopping experience, they are everywhere! We use and trust them each and every day to make countless decisions for us Despite their seemingly neutral mathematical nature algorithms however aren't necessarily any more objective than humans Because at the end of the day, they are written by people. And this is where the phenomenon of algorithmic bias comes into play It has many examples Like when Nikon cameras equipped with a blink detection feature wouldn't snap photos of many of its Asian users because the software thought their eyes were never opened Or how Amazon's Alexa struggles to recognize different accents

19:49 and when Google Translate insistently associates certain jobs with certain genders, while translating sentences with gender-neutral pronouns from languages like Turkish, Finnish and Chinese. In 2015, Google's photo recognition tool mistakenly tagged a photo of two black people as gorillas. Meanwhile in the US, a crime predicting algorithm wrongly labeled black people re-offenders at nearly twice the rate of white people You see the pattern here? Algorithm bias is rooted in the way AI artificial intelligence algorithms work by using what's called machine learning and deep learning which are both ways in which computers make decisions

20:27 Both are simply dependent on data, a huge amount of it. And ultimately the people who feed the data." Yeah I know a lot about this actually. That's why...I'm glad you're taking this ride with me! So it's not that math is racist or addition subtraction and calculus and differential equations those are not racists No It's the notions that the people who feed interpreted data and the companies they work for putting out racist products if you want to make that leap. And that's really what so interesting to me about the conversation is because the algorithm and the computer can only represent that which was put in by the creators, and it's like if you had the exact right amount—that's why they talk about equity all the time—but if you had proportionally

21:25 to the population, the exact right amount of programmers or people who would input this information. You still get a whole bunch of bias because people are biased You know, it's never gonna be right. Never ever! It's not even that...it's the end user They never take the end user in mind as well No they don't care about the end-user Let's just black out the picture for a minute and speak about the Chinese The camera wouldn't take a picture because of the blink detection I mean cause they have naturally closed eyes Where was the outrage over that? I wish i had known that one That's funny

22:04 But did they give their product to Asian test market and get that feedback back or did they just test it with... I guess not, who knows? Right. So we have the whole as they listed Amazon Google's calling black people apes I mean like, so... Well but to be fair algorithms aren't just bias based upon you know, external features of what someone looks like. There's algorithms being applied to people's credit ratings and insurance policies and it can be based on many factors that can be wrong so the algorithms... You just remove the human factor and it's just gonna suck for a lot of people. It always does

22:55 And this is true, but what I'm saying is these companies that are offending turn around and support this museum in their efforts. But their products are the problem! And they way they do their data analysis and data feeding... That's the problem. Right so then- No it's math! Math is racist! Of course we gotta get rid of math! Yeah it's not us, it's the math yes So it's so sick. It gets sicker because now we're going to go over to Mr. Haney Farid, he is a Dartmouth professor and what he's gonna talk about is this criminal justice algorithm. You have almost all been subject to a computerized predictive algorithm of the following form if you like X you may like Y

23:51 Now, you may be less aware that you've also may have been subjected to a predictive algorithm of the form if you are like X we may not give you alone. Banks financial institutions routinely use your personal attributes compares them to previous customers to assess the risk to the institution in terms of giving you a loan or mortgage You may have also recently been subjected to a predictive algorithm of the form If you are like x We may not give you a job Employers, and in some cases university admissions are using predictive algorithms to make hiring and admission decisions. And if you've recently had a run-in with the criminal justice system well I'm sorry first of all. Second of all you may have been subjected to a predictive algorithm of the following form If your like X then you may go to jail

24:48 Courts now are routinely using predictive algorithms to make decisions in the courtroom. One particularly popular and now widespread algorithm is used at the point of arrest to make bail decisions. It's not that the algorithms are wrong, it's all racist! Get rid of bail Yeah, exactly. So as we think over here at the MoFax with Adam Curry show is this a case of Hegelian dialectic? That way you create the problem and you provide a solution to the problem right so it's like...so how do we get rid of math all right let's make our algorithms racist

25:36 And then we could push and say, you know what? It's not about mathematics and what you can prove in facts. It's about what you feel! It was what feels good is it? Yeah. And these companies get even richer off of manipulating the algorithms but yeah I mean so Basically, it's a closed loop. It's a closed loop you can just amplify you can do all kinds of cool stuff with that That's really good. That's aggressive great way to do it That's just amazing that judges are not calculating and looking at your record or you know, lawyers are not looking at your records. They well he's a repeat offender day to throw your your your record into the yeah whatever it says and I'll know he's a repeat offender and be clear Oh let's be clear as we always say

26:33 What is what starts here? Yeah, I know. You think this is not gonna be used? Oh it already is oh I think it already is Moe oh definitely and you know what the same stuff as being used in health care my friend yeah you have these symptoms did you heres the medication you need Mm-hmm. Yeah, or even even oh you bought high salt food you bought hot sugar food Yep insurance rate your premiums Keep going up yeah We saw this with uh with the car insurance Situation where they had these that a thing that you would plug into your I think it's called an OEM

27:17 Oh, on board and OOBD you plug it in and ride around for a week or two. Yeah And they would take your data and then that will give you lower insurance rate. Yep Progressive has that now you said yeah a little dongle I think what even not even that? I think it just I think they just, as long as you have it on in your car with your smartphone. Your smartphone is passing back the data They can almost know everything Oh yeah! That's fantastic These companies give you a discount if you download the app and give you... No, if you roast out assistance If we need it We could find you with GPS but they're tracking This is what credit karma is all about This is the most egregious

28:00 Credit Karma is managing its users initially to help them get better credit scores, then to help them get a loan based upon the score of a larger line of credit. And now they've moved towards if you stream your videos with Netflix, you'll get a better credit score and next it will be if you watch this video, you get a little extra credit score but we noticed that you watched that video that made your credit score go down! That's coming so I'm against all this

28:44 So I'm gonna explain to you why. The whole idea of a credit score is nuts, it's not even a real credit score. Well no it is not but it correlates to your official credit score that lenders check Not really but thats debatable If that one goes up typically the one they bank and reason why I say I like it its because I understand the game their collecting my data in there You know I get that But before hand These apps came along, people were credit illiterate. I mean you knew that you paid your bills and you know that kind of thing but knowing how to manipulate your credit score now it's gamified!

29:30 You if you know how to play the system with that bad boy, you could get your credit score to boom and I'll say this But what a so-called black man. Oh, oh, I'm gonna get there What do you need? What do you need the credit score for? You what mo, what do you need your credit score for when I went? I bought a home and when I go to buy a car Just knowing I mean like I said it what it did explain to all and I want to make a long thing out of this But what it did was it explains all the components of her credit score which This is how racism used to work. A lot of this knowledge will be hid behind walls and doors

30:12 And this is why racism has changed in the information age. It's not that I'm accepting of credit karma, the company per se but letting people be educated about how to affect your credit in a positive way... This is all new to us! I got you. The problem i have is that with most of these systems, you're giving them access to your bank account and they can see all your transactions and that's just evil shit! But but but I'm in a school where they already see it I mean so, if...I guess and that's where our age difference plays into effect. Yeah, yeah, I'll accept that. Because I was 21 in 2001 So I'm just used to being surveilled. No, sorry to hear that

31:11 Well, I mean is yes. That's the reality of it So when you've come in from from that angle where they surveilling me anyway? There's nothing private anyway Um, I just think I'll take the benefits of it and I understand that the gamified I got at all You're probably a yeah. No, you are stronger individual than most there's a lot of tricks being played in this cold not just credit karma specifically but these types of apps as multiple kinds and They are in essence trying to get people into deeper debt and get them to buy things based upon what the algo thinks they will want. That's all, I just don't like it- It's funny that you say that! A lot of people don't know that. I think most people probably don't know that And its funny that you say that because me and E Class aka Coach was having this same exact conversation. Im not a person who wants to protect people from things

32:09 I only want to educate people of all the ramifications and then let people freely choose. Of course, how you know because we can't we can't put up safeguards like no, no you can't do that. You can't do this but this is kind of what we do with the show I mean we don't tell you what to think which is explaining the uh... manipulation if you want to continue participating it's your choice um but understand what you're getting into so I'll bring that back around but yeah I mean with good comes bad right? With algorithms and all these things

32:45 This is all new to us. And that's why I said like being black in the information age It was totally different from being black in the 1960s and 70s and even a pre-internet Because there was no way you could get a main line To China to get your products made, but it's like well if the whole industry is buying from China right? And I'm trying to be a small business person This is the first time we had that kind of access. Got it. So I'm just explaining to you, what we do here, we humanize and we don't... We humanize these functions that we use

33:30 that it's a gift and a curse. So you have to be educated, I mean...I think people want not be educated and that's not the way it works. We agree on that for sure! Well with that what we're talking about here is they are trying destroy education this is the role of this document Let's get back into the criminal justice algorithm. One particularly popular and now widespread algorithm is used at the point of arrest to make bail decisions, and conceptually it's a pretty simple idea. A defendant who has been charged with a crime information is extracted from them and fed into a computer algorithm, and that computer algorithm outputs a risk factor

34:19 And that risk factor is meant to quantify the likelihood that person will commit a crime in the future. Think of a really simple version of The Minority Report without the creepy people in the pools and if you are assessed to be high-risk, well then the judge may deny bail and you will be held in prison awaiting trial. If you are assessed to be low risk Then you may be released pending trial. Now, in 2016 investigative journalists from ProPublica published a troubling report on one particularly popular and widespread predictive algorithm that is used in the courts around this country and what they found was that this particular algorithm was significantly disadvantageous to black defendants

35:07 What they found is that if you were a black defendant, you are nearly twice as likely to be predicted as re-offending when you did not. That happened 44% of the time if you were black and only 23% of the time if you are white, that is a staggering difference and at the same time you were almost twice as likely to be predicted as not offending when in fact you did if you are white as compared to black that happened 47 percent of the time versus 28 percent of times so in other words the algorithm is biased against black defendants So who... my question is, why this...? What I find interesting about this the algo was biased against black defendants but this particular algorithm does it take skin color into the equation?

36:00 I think it's the bubble that you fill out on a scantron. It's like white, black or you know... I think that's of course- I mean they're looking at your data right? They're looking at the... No i'm just saying could have been well there's a particular type..I'm just playing devil's advocate for a second because this is always bothering me about this story because it always comes right after like we did yeah okay so the algorithm saw black people as guerrillas and then it was biased against black people. They'd lock them up more often than give them bail, and so that would imply that in the algorithm some set of factors plus black is no-go. That would have to be programmed there on purpose

36:54 Exactly. That is not just a guerrilla mistake, you know? I can see how a computer that doesn't have enough information can maybe not make that distinction initially but this has to be if it's any sort of set of circumstances same two people except one is filled out black on the bubble and then they go to jail then then that's on purpose! I can see it no other way And that's my point. We have to look into these companies and do right algorithms, and this should really be a class action lawsuit because when you say granting people bails... Say if you got like maybe like a DWI which is something that you should be able to come home for pretty quick

37:42 But if you not in Texas, that's like 48 hour I mean but they give you an order and it knows saying large in orderly large bail And you miss work. You miss work? You lose your job. You lose your job These things devastate people lives. Yeah, it's just some body coding like oh yeah It's an accuracy rate, right? It's like oh we were you know 97% accurate with our decisions but You're gonna screw some somebody over by you know basing it off of not skin color and I'm glad you brought that up. This is about corporate designation this is about racial designation um yeah there's something going on here so this is why we always talk about white and black and what it really is And we've expounded on that a bunch and we may get into that a little later But yeah, this is just another

38:35 line in the code that says if they mark black Yeah, that needs to be disclosed. Higher bill! That really needs to be disclosed... because I recall these stories wasn't there it wasn't that code eventually brought up and didn't people look at it or is that still not happening? They looked at it and then they probably made a donation and it goes away right I mean where's all these Soros DAs at? Where the Soro sisters at?! Summon the Soro sisters! This is why they're supposedly supposed to be elected, to fight the systemic racism. Yeah exactly! This is actually systemic this is for real yeah by definition yes the system is written or coded just say if you're black hey you get a higher bill I you know I just it just finally hit me and its like

39:32 The computer didn't scan the person standing there. No! There's no data there that's gonna make that person more guerrilla-like, it probably doesn't say black or just says African American. Right. Yeah that needs to be investigated that's really messed up this is no other way than on purpose So I understand where they're coming with their issue with rational linear thinking and the scientific method in math more in general. This is hot, but then they jumped the shark and we have to go back to show 14 because we were on top of this a long time ago! And this is uh... Math Is Racist! The opposite of Donald Trump is an Asian man who likes math

40:20 Andrew Yang may want to rethink that catchphrase because apparently math is racist. Seattle's public schools are considering a proposal that would mix social justice in with math, including studying how math has been appropriated by Western culture and that math itself is racist and alessio parson is a sociologist an educator who agrees with the premise of the proposal and joins me now all right so and let me let me just see where i'm confused so you understand what's going on. I am bad at math, and if math is racist then i'm also white does that make me too dumb to be racist or not

41:12 racist enough to be good at math. Not racist enough? Jesse, that's such a long conversation! First of all remember Dr. D'Alessio Parson so please don't refer to me by Ann but I appreciate it. Excuse me let me just show you my badge here for a moment. Dr. Ann! That's right, Dr. Ann to you Mr. Jesse Waters And is that, does that not ring a privilege? Was she... now she's white. No I'm talking about educational academic privilege. Like oh you will refer to me

41:56 as doctor. Of course it does, anyone who does that is a douche But how do you not miss that? It's like your whole life work is based off of privilege and then as soon as somebody calls you by your professional moniker then... Because she's there for the cause You better call me doctor She's there for the cause don't you understand Moe she's on the battlefield against an actual racist No, and that's why you asked me before I think black people so-called black people quote unquote black. People are so over these these these These liberals Because their pandering is so disgusting It's the thing My dad yeah He always told me growing up he was like writing read that's no You can get great in any way on that

42:53 I mean there's some technical aspects to grammar and uh no, English and writing but math that's the fairest shit you can get Yeah, as a person of disadvantage Because when you give me that test there are right answers to those questions And if I get the right answers then I proven myself knowledgeable Where if we're writing an essay you can grade it on how you feel. You know? It's all subjective so yeah As long as you show how you got the wrong answer Right, and that's the other thing. Even if you show your work... Showing- Even if you show your work! You know? It can be deemed racist I know it's horrible. Alright so that's what irks me about when I mean because we played this clip on Show 14 So then we were on top of this a ways off Way back yeah way back Because I understand so if you take math out of it Then we can't make the case of the previous clips to say look at these results Yeah

43:55 You see how destabilizing of society is when you take rational linear thinking and mathematics out of the picture? Well, what's crazy is that there's never a good explanation for it. And everyone just goes okay, you're an idiot, and then they keep saying it! There's no resolution ever of this issue Well, you make a good point. So let's go to Dr Anne and try to explain what she means Tell me why math is racist doctor Yes so You... It's funny on November 6th 2016 I was at a conference on statistics And i raised my hand and i was like Are you telling me statistics are racist? And that was what almost 3 years ago

44:44 and i was really confused when I asked the question, and spent years reading about many different things have you jesse read native son which i gave you last time we met? um...i read it in high school but i have not reread since the last time you gave it to me but what does that have to do with is math racist So, the critical race theory is a framework for understanding the world that helps us understand that this entire country is racist. We have a white supremacist caste system in the United States. Wait wait wait can you just stop for one second? Are you saying all white people are racist?

45:29 Yeah, I am too sometimes it happens. We were socialized So you're racist you're a racist Occasionally it happens. I usually apologize it when I realize that how are you a racist? What do you think makes you superior? jesse that question doesn't make sense well isn't racism the belief that one race is inherently superior than another race and then you discriminate against other races That is a piece of racism, but you gave the definition that's really old. Yeah And language evolves over time race and white supremacy What are what race and white supremacy today? Yeah Okay They are structures that affect us all so people do things that are racist all the time myself included Because we don't realize that's happening like my aggression

46:28 Yeah, I love it. Well that's the old definition of the word. You're an old man! You got it all wrong! It's not what the new kids think So you see the conflation on top of the conflation on top of the conflation because, one we have some algorithms and way products are programmed to do racist things. You say math is racist in general all math 2 plus 2 is 4 it's racist And then you say, the other conflation she does is racism and microaggressions. Yeah, that's very in there yeah That's crazy to say okay if you make a microaggression that makes your racist which the reason why I make this point is

47:20 then everybody become racist and if that's the case, then no one becomes racist. And you can't... You know it's like a little boy who cried wolf. That's just racist thinking right there Moe! You gotta stop! You can't think like that I know i did some math to get to that point but... You used that racist formula Right But that is very dangerous because when real racist acts happen Yeah Then people are they'll just equate it to microaggression And that's not the case. That's a very good point, and how much of that is maybe even planned so it becomes completely normalized? You know what I'm saying? This goes back to the Headegalian dialectic! Are you trying to get rid of racism?! Because if you are then just make it so benign... ...that it doesn't mean anything. Which I think- I'm gonna say this and probably shouldn't say this

48:24 I think there's some factions in this country that want to get rid of ADOS, foundational black native black people. as a whole because that's the way you get rid of the great sin of America. And then it's like we can restart with these new black people that we brought in to stand-ins and we can move forward! Right, huh...and they don't have this same stake in the game? No I mean that's just like uh... They're just showing up for the goodies Well not only that, but you don't realize that we're missing. Because about everyday life you'll see black people... Black and brown people right? Right! Oh yeah what do you mean because you say the ADOS population drops like to 5%

49:17 But you know, we know that 13% is standard for this country for black people from the horse race that you did last week. I mean on last show. Right right right So if you drop the ADOS population down to 5%, and raise the immigrant and you know post-racial black people, let's just say post slavery black people. You bring those in to up to 8% that makes you 13%. No one notices! Wow And then you heard what Joe Biden said, and he doubled down on that. I ain't even captured that in this show but i'll bring it up again This great solution is just interracial marriages which I have no problem with You love where you love But yeah That's your solution? It's to... You gotta water- You gotta water that black down some! You know? Gotta put some cut on it Wow Yeah I guess yeah

50:16 That's how I heard it. Of course, come on everybody heard what he said and but it goes unnoticed or not unnoticed But she's not allowed to be discussed. I guess there's something in the mainstream. He said it again No, yeah, I know we keep doing a town hall and know what? No one says hey What do you mean? What are you talking about? And like I said, I don't say this from a racial standpoint. I say it's from a completely vain... A completely vain standpoint that I want to make people that look like me

50:52 You know, I told you being a parent is the most vain thing you could do in life. It's like hey let me make another me and even if your kids turn out to look like the other half of their genetics right here little bummed out so it's not even about race this is like you know it's a vanity thing that you want to recreate because you think you're awesome but the world needs another little Moe. God help us Yeah

51:32 It's very, very troubling. So she did this weird definition of white supremacy so now we have to go back to the show's definition- the definition that you referred to on this show and that comes from Neal Fuller and he defines racism in white supremacy Well, we are under a system of white supremacy. That's the most powerful government that the world has ever seen and that is the title of it by the way It doesn't go by any other titles even though sometimes we call it by other titles but the accurate title for the government that we are under Is in capital letters The System Of White Supremacy Worldwide! There is just one world government

52:19 And that's the only government in town, the only government on the planet that really counts. That is worthy of having a title of government." So for all the non-believers... You can't say and this goes to my conspiracy theorist slash truth-eaters you can't say the Illuminati or the globalists or these groups exist and then say that white supremacy doesn't exist Because that's what we're saying when we say that we're saying same thing. It's anonymous Yes, exactly So when they make it about this I mean these racial superiority and all of that No are these microaggression? No, we're talking about a cold hard system That imposes will no matter what the people want and We're seeing it now and no matter what color those people are

53:18 It does it just starts with us. I keep telling you, we're the beta test! Okay how's that bell working? How is that bell working? Oh yeah okay. Beta test... But that's what it is. That's how we feel and that's how we feel with the vaccine and everything else or you just want to test out on us but It doesn't make everybody's gonna end up getting it, but it just starts with us. But the thing is our numbers are so small we can't withstand these attacks and I can't call any other thing we can't withstand these attacks because our numbers can absorb that hit. I mean say white people are 50 60% We're at 13 if you talk about interracial will be gone before and then they'll wake up one day like You know what?

54:10 We need to change this practice that we're doing, but now we're gone. That's a real possibility I mean that does seem to be the overall... well even the Kalergi plan was always the idea to have brown population in Europe you know so it makes total sense that is that that's the idea here And that's what Malcolm said about the hot coffee and the cool cream. I mean, you mix it half-and-half you don't have coffee or cream which coffee and cream both have purposes! They're needed in this society In their own separate entities yes Exactly

54:48 So, I mean that pretty much wraps the scientific method and rationality thing. But that's going to weave its way in and out of the rest of this episode but i just want to go on a checklist of things they're trying to destroy And when you do that it's...I don't know..i find that very problematic Now we're going to talk about individualism. So now we're gonna go back to the Ingraham angle or Ingraham... I think you guys can say Ingramam. Fro-Ingraham! Yeah, so we're going back to her and this goes to show you the lack of individualism that free thinking black people can have

55:33 The way these two correspond back and forth to each other, and I forget their Cooper versus Scottie. It's giving me horse Cooper versus Scotty smart and just listen to this exchange they have. Horace, it strikes me as odd that this African American museum would scandalize things that the data has always shown help Americans including African-Americans climb up the ladder. So you have a $500 million, that's half-a-billion dollar structure or edifice that apparently thinks its purpose is to offer advice to cripple black America. To say to black America the very tools that black Americans like white Americans have used to succeed and become prosperous—hard work, tenacity, faith

56:30 the types of success skills that work to call those somehow a racial category would make David Duke proud. This is really, really sad if that's the direction this museum is trying to go You know what, he said David Duke was hilarious. It's pretty funny. He makes me laugh. But he's right! These are the things we say you know hard work faith and I'm not specifically saying Christianity but I will say this when a person has some kind of faith system

57:09 especially my people or our people, they you know it tends to help them deal with society. You know I mean I think that's in general but I'll just go and speak specifically to our group because it gives you some kind of thought process, you know and coping mechanism. Stable family like I said scientific method hard work these are all things that we were taught i mean you work hard you know go to school get a good education make yourself a productive member of society and you'll do alright. You'll be okay yeah you'll figure it out. I say this your lessons the chance

57:55 that the system will chew you up and spit you out. And that's a real sentiment, I know people might think it's hyperbole but no, that is the feeling and that part of the talk... That goes on. The talk is like I said, a long and conversative conversation between parents and children. You know? And I think looking at parents my age, I would say it was less of that. It was more like your parents worked hard to make sure you can have an education, once you have that you're gonna be okay. And I'm generalizing but i think that may have been a little less of a work-hard mentality is just my general feeling well okay

58:54 Yeah, I see what you're saying. But from our side is like you had to and this is... I know! I don't know how I feel about this statement but it was said It was like you have the work twice as hard You had the work twice as hard And I don't think that's... I don't think I agree with that No, I'm saying that's what we were told. You have to work twice as hard to have... And like I said, that's why I don't know how I feel about this statement because when you say it your kids, you're saying your half is good in a roundabout way but then it goes back our previous conversation Is it better to know that there's this

59:37 lingering system out there. This is the approach you took with our data and how we interact with these big companies, is it better to know or is it better just to learn this system and navigate? I think knowing and learning the system and navigating the system is necessary for many children in many different situations but connecting it and saying because of who you were born as therefore you have to work twice as hard, I don't think that's a positive association that does any good. But like hey you're poor and this is gonna suck and here's what you're gonna have to do and you're gonna have to kick some ass to get there but not necessarily just because... You know what i mean? I think children need a different kind of message. I understand what your saying but the problem is when you don't want to tell your kids oh you can go to school be a C student and be president

1:00:40 And yet Barack Obama did it. That's what amazing. Well, I was thinking Bush! Another fine example there is plenty of dumb presidents. Right but what i'm saying here is that even Barack Obama had to give the appearance that he was an intellectual He couldn't have Bush's resume And be president. So I'm just giving you an example and like i said, I prefaced it by saying that I don't know how I feel about that And I don't say that to my kids specifically to say hey You gotta work twice as hard But what I say to them...and this is where you learn from different cultures

1:01:20 You don't want to be a student. You want to be the best student in the class and I learned that from my Indian friends because India, that's how it is ranking. It's no great right? So That's why they kick our butt when they come over here cuz they're fighting to be the best not just Everybody gets an A or you know everybody gets a B. It's like there's only one number one So, I get like I said...I don't know. I don't know how to feel about that but it's a real sentiment that said you have to be twice as good or twice as hard. Yeah, I'm just trying so many different scenarios but maybe this is unique? It's hard for me to say But like i said That if you want to interact with the system and that why I say now in information age where

1:02:10 You can invest in Start a business You can explore your mind your ideas your dreams right where you used to be confined to what was your uh, Your you know the I've got it. I've got education is racist mo That's it just I figured Education is racist, man. Stay away from it! Send it all out! The whole thing not just math. You think math? It's the whole thing. Everything especially PE all racist but the notion that when black men say work hard and you want we want a stable family and you know we use logic or reason that's how we get labeled as the white people of black people

1:03:00 Right, so it's really not just destructive towards black people this idea of all these everything the museum stands for. It's really also just eliminating black men who by the way are just not showing up anymore in the logos or anywhere What were we trading the other day? We were sending something back and forth. That was the, what was that from the UN? The UN United Nations They had every variety of person up there They had two men together black and white man one woman loving herself for self love intergenerational it was old man with a young guy interracial And then the black woman, clearly the one that was clearly It was illustration so it's cartoon but clearly the black woman Was expressing self-love

1:03:52 And she was hot and woozy. Yeah, that's the goal! And you can say I'm conspiratorial or paranoid but from these actions yes they want to get rid of us because if they get rid of us then you'll get rid of the race period. Point blank period. So in this case we're actually talking about black men like... We've never even met but i think you're pretty black So like Cory Booker... Last time I checked. No, not me! Not me yeah. But Cory Booker black man? No it's not color see that that's what we can't get a... It's not about color. Wait a minute I'm trying to connect the whole circle if if we want to have you know a mocha color throughout the entire universe which is clearly the idea then will there be a bias more towards getting rid of black black men versus brown black men

1:04:47 Because then it is about color. That is kind of the identification they're doing, does that make any sense? I think its getting rid of...I'm gonna say this, It's getting rid of black men and what I'm saying that Men who identify as so-called Adas or whatever Getting rid of men Men are under attack. Yes, and specifically if it starts with us who were the first men that gonna be put under attack? Well and it's like we can get them then the whole rest of the world falls into place

1:05:26 So when I say black men, I'm saying people who operate like men and work off logic and reason and hard work. And those things if we can get the subset of black man that identify with their maleness or their manliness We can take them out then you could have the betas. I don't hate using those kind of terms. No no hold on a second this is good because Everything is the white man's fault right now. It's not the same thing as what's happening to black men The white man, it's all old white men all your fault your a-holes you're misogynistic You're mansplaining and you know good no good But we are always portrayed as wimps Oh honey I'm sorry i got the wrong washing powder. Ooh dad's being a doofus again

1:06:15 The black man has a much stronger, much more masculine image in society still. And I brought that point up before when you talk about masculinity if we're talking about societal masculinity white men are the pinnacle And what I mean by that is benefiting from the inheritance and generational wealth and things of that nature. But when we talk about physical masculinity, Black men are the pinnacle. Right, but masculinity is no longer the banker or the successful businessman that's in fact... The Trump type business man? That has to be erased! White men don't exist like that where we're balding were fat were hunched over were anything but cool

1:07:10 And that's why you started with the sports leagues when you wanted to bring in this new thought. You have the pinnacle of white masculinity intermingling with the pinnacle of black masculinity and it's a cultural war because LeBron James you would say he's the pinnacle of masculinity period because he's 6'9", 270 pounds can jump, you know jump running intelligent all these things. And then but he's owned by a... when I say own the team, he is owned by an owner. He is owned by China man really but that's right well yeah but the optics

1:07:47 Yeah, absolutely. He's owned by a white man and these two masculinities clash and the powers that be are playing them off each other hoping that they destroy each other and then we'll have somebody rank... well we don't get too far ahead in this. I like it no no i like it okay you i'm sorry you keep moving Moe i'm just diving in with ya Yeah, so just an example of this. You heard Horace Cooper speak and now Scottie Smart is going to come in and we'll see what Scottie does I think that, I actually love the article. I think a lot of people should actually go and read the article We can't keep pushing whiteness and white privilege under the rug like it's not an issue It is a deep rooted issue we have to address And even for two black people myself and Horace to be against one another To have debate on this topic Is a whole matter of whiteness in itself

1:08:39 Because he's gonna sit here and try to contradict what we're talking about. And so I don't want to talk over Horace, I don't want to be disrespectful to Horace but Horace is that token black friend that only a few white people have as well So we're not here for the debate or get up not to have a dialogue But we have to have this conversation between it's an uncomfortable conversation That most people aren't willing to have and educate blacks and whites on our different perspectives different narratives that we have and that we grow up with then. So to have someone who is a representation of black people on your network, it's disrespectful. Well Scotty so I invited you on the show in good faith to actually have a conversation and yet you come on the show and you kind of give a little backhand to Horace and it said dehumanizing well its dehumanizing to call someone a token

1:09:26 It's dehumanizing. He's a human being with thoughts. Maybe he disagrees with you, that's okay I don't care that you disagree with him but you call them a token. No disrespect to Horace. You mean no disrespect? Okay go ahead. No I mean no disrespect to Horace. No disrespect Token! I mean now are taking it the wrong way Token because okay now we got to get into some linguistics here because remember when we had the conversation about Thug right mm-hmm

1:10:03 And thug being synonymous with the n-word when used by a certain crowd. Now, token we use by one black person against another black person that is the same thing as saying coon level yeah So that's what I mean he says no, I don't mean any disrespect token but uh you're only here because the white man wants you to do his bidding for him. But this is projection because the other reason Scottie is here... Is for that very reason Exactly It's always projection. But I will say this about Horace, Horace should have stopped Ingraham and her tracks and said no! I don't need you to speak for me because the way the optics where it looked is he attacked a black man and his white woman had come in and rescued him yeah yeah I would've nipped that right in the bud like nah nah nah let me handle Scottie

1:11:05 But he's only here, he's only there to do the bidding of the liberals. Which that's why I said we see the game now! We see it...we've been seeing it. We saw in the 2020 election that numbers were fun- and I'm not gonna go there. I want this be able on YouTube. I'm sorry. Oh don't talk about the numbers oh can't have that. No but what I was saying is We're just as distrusting or more distrusting of the liberal narrative than a conservative narrative because the conservative narrative makes sense. Maybe someone should alert the liberals about this, they are alienating people They don't care because we're not human. You heard what she said you're dehumanizing Do you not realize what happened in the 2020 election?

1:11:58 Black men that speak for themselves were dehumanized. It eliminated really from the entire conversation, it's gone When you say oh why would you vote for a person like this or that? You just are totally nullified Shut up go to your corner I want hear an explanation So its like okay your allowed to speak because The powers that be light what your saying Scotty Where whores will be shouted down Which what I'm saying, what i would say is and this will we go back to the list. Let's bring it out the facts and weigh them out and whoever has the best set of facts wins but that's not what they do if they make it about feeling they get rid of facts make it about feelings And then you know whoever has the best narrative wins yeah so as I mean like I said I found that very disgusting um

1:12:54 For you to be sent on Fox News, somebody put him up there and I know he didn't have any leg to stand on. To make an argument for these things they're trying to get rid of so he made it a personal attack horse. Right, which that was in your words chicken shit I mean so I didn't like that at all but that's the way they do it I mean is just dehumanize you and I think that's why we humanized here So now we need to get examining what illustrated and what defined black individualism. And we're going to talk about one Mr Melville John Herkovitz, have you ever heard of him before? No I don't think so let me give you a little background on him and then we can jump right into clip 13 So he was American anthropologist who helped establish African-American studies help established okay

1:13:57 African-American studies and American academia. He was known for exploring the cultural continuity from African cultures as expressed in African American communities. He worked with his wife, Frances Herkovitz, as an anthropologist in the field of South America, Caribbean's Africa. So he basically is the father of African American history So he would be the guy that would know something, well he's no longer around I presume. No He died in 63 Is he involved with this museum somehow?

1:14:39 Well, a lot of his work is the foundation of what they teach. Of the African aspects of ADOS And what made this guy the expert? Well let's get into 13 and find out What is an Iggro in the sense that the term is used in the United States Obviously, one only has to look at the great degree of crossing tremendous variation in color that marks American Negroes. I hear the voice of Melville J. Herskovitz and what i wonder is how did a white man come to know so much about black people? Probably more than any other American, Melville Herskovitz is the person who demonstrates that African Americans are connected to Africans

1:15:30 He was a leading anthropologist of the 20th century, but he was also kind of social paradox. When you look at Herskovits through one angle, he sets the terms for our understanding of the relationship between Africa and black people in the Americas. From another angle, you might see him as someone who appropriates a certain kind of knowledge. From another angle, he's the son of Jewish immigrants that he is trying to sort out his own position in America I always like to think of him as kind of the Elvis of African-American studies. On the one hand, you might think of someone like Elvis or someone who takes things that blacks have already been doing and he gets a credit for them on the other hand You can say well here's a guy who actually mainstreams rock and roll Yeah, it's it's a good question That is very good question how this

1:16:24 And I don't mean to bring up his ethnicity, but this Jewish man jumps all the African-American scholars to be the spokesperson or as the speaker put it, the Elvis Presley of black history. Who either ripped it off or he popularized it whichever way you want to go with that that's a toughie Yeah, but if you popularize it do you define it at the same time which that's a problem. Yep So he's a very interesting character But like I said a lot of what he did was

1:17:02 the modern African-American studies is based off his work. Right, so it's all 1920s 1930s when he was writing all this stuff here and even later I think at Northwestern University if i'm not mistaken So we can go ahead and get into the second clip about him. Hirskovitz mainstreamed some of these ideas about the connections between African and African American culture Early anthropologists were committed to demonstrating that black people were inferior. Many people believed black culture was a bad copy of white culture. Look, you know if black people have been ignored not listened to their part of the story has not been told for centuries it's understandable that Black scholars aren't waiting in line behind some white guy To tell the story that they want to tell What is a negro? In the sense that the term is used in the United States Obviously... What does it mean to ask what is a Negro

1:18:05 What is a negro as a physical type? What is a negro as an existential condition? What does the negro want? How do we understand African American belonging over time. Does the right to define and describe and observe a people give you power over those people? does the right to really characterize of people determine their fate Yeah, but it does absolutely And a reason why I brought this up is that the same way he did it then in

1:18:42 The same way that's being done now. We can't define who we are for ourselves, it is always another person from outside the group that is defining who we are which impacts the individualism And that's why you have somebody like Scotty attack whores cuz like you're not sticking to who we supposed to be It's like how about we be who we are and then the collective or defined by the individuals But no, it's a group thing. It's my control is what it is I mean yeah in a weird way quote-unquote

1:19:22 Well no, blackness is a set form or set rules that you have to conform to. I guess one of his most polarizing books was this The Myth Of The Negro Past? Yes and we're talking about early 1900s when he was doing his work it's not like he was back in the 1619 writing stuff! That's actually 1941 Yeah, so he writes these books in the early to mid 1900s. Yeah what were we before then I mean you act like we didn't have a Frederick Douglass and Booker T Washington and these people Define who we are here come this guy come along? I know who the Negro is everybody relax Let me tell you who the Negro is it's like what I see

1:20:12 WED Du Bois did a review of it. I'll have to read that but that's pretty yeah Hey, can you send me that link cuz I would love to hear it read that as well what he had to say about? Yeah, I think that's gonna be funny. Yeah, I just want to show like you know how we're never allowed to define ourselves and even with this museum Everything was defined for us It was like oh no Clarence Thomas No conservatives and I'm not a big Clarence Thomas fan. He had some problems with some of the things he said but making it to the Supreme Court should get you an automatic spot in the African-American... Did you see the people who were on the board? It's pretty interesting

1:20:55 Right, so I mean just in that go to show you is that it's not the all-encompassing black It's that this is the narrative that we want to tell about black people. Well Quincy Jones on the council Yeah, yeah Quincy Quincy's cool, you know Quincy brings sex appeal to any board right? Let me see Shonda Rhimes shondaland in the house Oh, look. No wonder we got a great narrative. And we brought in Colin Powell. Hey you know what? Colin Powell's are very interesting case study. I've met him but i'm not a fan of General Powell. No, I'm just saying the way he saw the way this thing was going and he did a real quick pivot on his politics

1:21:49 Because he knew he had to stay around and if he stuck to his guns, he would not survive the council culture. Right no I totally agree totally all right yeah this is a great group I wonder if they get together They must have something to eat. I'm sure they do, of course they do! Must have a great drinking club this looks fantastic. Oh well there's more things than drinks on the menu out there but... First order business how about that building we put down huh? How about that for some crazy Illuminati crap and where are those $65,000 hot dogs at but let's keep going to number 15 Professor Herskovitz was no ordinary professor

1:22:33 This man was a force. And you did not take him on lightly. Although I can't list all of the do's and don'ts that Professor Herskovitz put out there, certainly among the don'ts was the following. Don't get involved in political stuff! That was a difficult message for me to hear but even as a graduate student I think I knew

1:23:11 Almost anything had its political side to it, including what Professor Herskovits was writing and doing. The myths were endless. You would hear, jokingly of course every day Professor Herskovits gets up looks into a mirror and says Ah Afrique c'est moi That was our quick way of saying professor Herskovitz seemed to think sometimes that he owned Africa

1:23:58 that it was his. And even as a graduate student, we wondered if sometimes his reign wasn't too tightly held? Why weren't there more African and African-American scholars at Northwestern?" He ran a tight ship! Yeah, sounds like him. It's amazing that... I always...it always amazes me that these non-black people can come in, take over and tell you how blackness is gonna be ran. And it's like don't question me... You heard her she worked with him closely and I mean she was fond of him. It's not like she had bad things to say about them but I think her feedback was honest that it becomes ownership like I own the blacks. I speak for the blacks

1:25:06 Which is, I find it very disgusting. Very, very... So how much of all this modern stuff is based off of him? Is he really the foundation like all of this is based off his work? Yes, the Out of Africa theory. Well not that per se but the origin of black people in America out of Africa and the narrative... But I'm saying he was defining this in 1940s! From 1619 to 1940 then he comes along and says oh I can tell you exactly what happened in those 300 years Right so did Alex Haley get his inspiration for Roots from this?

1:25:47 No, I was Haley got his inspiration for somewhere else. But yeah, but that's that that was the beginning of the narrative with a pan Africanism and those kind of things which I would say well that's what you're saying now is never heard this name before exactly great hurt Herskovits and it's with an S at the end which is very distinctive. It's not a Z, Herskovits Yes Never heard of this guy Interesting What he comes in and he defines what blackness in the mid 1900 which I just find fascinating He has so many great thought leaders

1:26:34 at the time and he just comes along and hijacks the narrative. Which of course, he had the money behind him so that's the other thing And what you'll find out now is... What you start to find out is that the academics go with where the funding goes. And we've seen this with... I'm not gonna preach in a choir here with global warming and those things but it's no different It's like my job is to be a scholar The money's coming in so I have to make a narrative this and that's what they were saying about Him being Elvis. It's like do you let Elvis come in and make rock n' roll take it through the roof? And all of our sales go up, you know for the genre but at the same time Now rock-and-roll is not even identified as a black music form

1:27:23 Yeah, because you let somebody else And that may be the choice that ultimately is the downside of capitalism I guess true That may be one of those things. It's like wow You got to have a strong strong hit strong hands to say no we should do this differently So since we're defining what black is, we have to go back to show nine and this- We played this several times on here but it's always good To see how the one drop rule defined blackness in America Explain what the one drop rule is The One Drop Rule historically also known as a rule of hypo dissent was really instituted to protect whiteness It was a way for the white majority to be able to name and incite who was white. so it was one drop which is

1:28:12 One-thirty second of Negro or African blood would make that person Negro or African, whatever the classification they used at the time. I hear people say we're in a post racial society The reality is in order to get beyond something you have to understand it right? And where in your education... Where have you been required to learn about race They don't teach it No! It's the foundation of this country We have to talk about race. We have to talk about racial difference It is just a flat-out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race Yeah, and that's the thing that when we say black That's defined by

1:28:51 a legal designation. It's not skin color, I mean, I know I beat this dead horse but we have to say that because people easily slip back into the color thing and it's not about color is about what you identify legally so they're doing...I'm gonna say this black Americans ADOS foundation of Black Native Blacks We're going through a self-identification phase because we're saying, okay we're not Africans per se and you know we have our own lineage. We have our own story. We have our own origin

1:29:43 So who are we? And that's upsetting to a lot of people because if you start saying that 13% splinters to 8-5 split, 10-3 split. That changes politics! That changes the way... Perceived power structure Yes Excellent term. It changes everything so people like no, no, no, corral them back in. You gotta corral... shut down the independent thought. So is this are you in fact a part of a black renaissance man?

1:30:23 as black, I think possibly social media more access to publishing your thoughts in different media. So not just Twitter but there's also music. I know Clubhouse is probably one of the blackest apps out there or Was was...I think that's gonna end you watch I know how that goes. And you, it's like there is an awakening and awareness and a positioning of the black American male

1:31:02 that is probably happening on one hand because you're being suppressed and you're being suppressed because it's happening. And your message is not necessarily, let's go to the club popping bottles and let's drive around and show our bling now It's something completely different. And it was all over the place well like I said there was a loud minority That was the loud minority right? The very small minority people like me are saying is we want to be self-defined. We don't want to be defined by the Boulle, we don't want to be defined by the African American Museum and we don't want it to be defined by white academia. We wanted define who we are okay now let's figure what that is and thats thats the journey were on and we've been here before in this

1:31:55 It's a synchronicity to it because in the 1920s we were kind of in the same spot. In Harlem on every street corner you had somebody with a different... what blackness was, a different definition of blackness and they was like okay there was a market for ideas and that's kinda what the internet is. Black entrepreneurialism in the 20s you mean? Yeah, same thing. Now entrepreneurialism because that way it was it opened up It was like okay now we can do business um so now you have Independent thinkers where now you used to get like a soapbox and go on the corner, and you are on this corner And there's another guy on that other corner. Now we're on YouTube channels or now We're on social media posts and we're saying and and we find the people that have Similar thoughts to ourself or who has good facts or who has good data It's not about narrative anymore, and that's why they want to double down on narrative because if you don't have the facts

1:32:57 You gotta double down on narrative. So it is partially a great self-identification process, simultaneous building your own narrative and positioning as where black American men want to be? Yes because when you define whiteness and you say whiteness is the problem that's juxtaposed with blackness Not brown, not color. It's blackness." So they're like wow there is a lot of information leaking out and people thinking and talking and what do we do? It's a lot of, you know it's a lot of uncertainty and so they have to keep reading. That's why you see Disney on shows all we need to make more black movies. We need to make more, for example Black Panther which... I was in Central Market

1:33:51 And it was in the central market, we had a crisis here so everything's you know all the shelves are empty but or not all of them but some of the key ones and as I'm looking at all around the store. All of a sudden this is like whole separate stand that has got wine on it and it's got preservatives on it like what is this? And they had a whole separate section in the store Mo for black owned businesses. I'm like what the hell! What the hell is this?! I'll be shopping for wine and jam at the same time, and what are you trying to tell me here? It was very bizarre That's this there come on back home Come on back. We'll give you a shelf just don't get your own store Let's make it so comfortable that You don't want to leave

1:34:46 Yeah, you've completely opened my eyes. I mean see these things everywhere now You know it's like and then and i'm so happy to hear you say we're so sick of the virtue signaling Because that's what I see oh my god. It's like stop The worst thing you can do is pander till a person of course because when you pander up to a person which you're saying Is your inferior pity? That's literal racism. It's literal racism. No, that's literally the definition- their definition of white supremacy You're inferior so we have to cater to you to bring you up to our level Aren't we so kind? So I want to talk quickly about Black Panther because that was one of the last gaffes To bring black people back into the fold of Africa They bringing it back

1:35:36 Yeah, well the original when I saw them once again and nothing is nothing is no pun intended. Nothing is black or white Cuz like cool Black Panther, okay my son can watch you know a movie and no see guy unlike heroes And no of different varieties and that's cool Yeah But when you break that I'm gonna do a whole show on this eventually one day but just as quick synopsis the Black Panther what happens is You have African Prince come to America? Let's try to help black people and they come here, I guess, and they kill him. And they leave his son Killmonger behind which is half African-American or ADOS and half Wakandan. And when he goes back and fights the real Black Panther, the existing Black Panther He beats them fair and square. And then the Wakandan's team up with the CIA to take him out of power. Isn't that crazy? Holy shit! It's like what?!

1:36:34 Excuse me for cussing. I mean, but it's like what? Hold on let's run that back again The guy has actual rights to the throne through his father He goes back and wins it fair and square And then they work with the CIA to take him out of power because he said let's take our resources Yeah, and give it to black people across the world No no you can't do this You can't be doing that. So, that's what Disney is putting out? I mean so now you see my conflict here. Yeah but that review that you just gave there in five sentences no one heard that review anywhere Of course not because it was dashikis and dancing Dashikis and dancing double Ds No literally Literally And you'll see it again I'm calling it again But guess what

1:37:30 What happened? The Black Panther, black male has been taken out and guess who's gonna be the new Black Panther. His sister. Yep woman which I ain't ruling out sacrifice on him, but I'll digress on that one. It is kind of convenient isn't it? Like oops! Yeah very very convenient. But the reason why i bring up the Black Panther... No no no no no I'm gonna give you just a little bit of theremin for that. That was-I liked that. I had always thought man what a shameless young guy you know but now when you bring in that's going on

1:38:07 Because it would be a never-ending argument. You know, you can't just...you couldn't just replace him No! Cause then you lose half your market Yeah But this is very convenient. Wow, but the reason why I bring up the Black Panther is because somehow Wakanda has become the black utopia and that just speaks to how silly things are. We're talking about a fake country in a fake movie. Yeah we didn't do this with Zamunda coming to America. We were like oh we're gonna credit on to Zamunda you know what I mean?

1:38:45 Well, I do remember a lot of jokes going on. We were joking around a lot back in the day when that came out No! People actually think they're gonna create their own Wakanda And it's like, unless you have a natural resource like that has. Okay? You don't believe me I'm gonna need a trigger warner before i play this next clip because it's from a guy named salty crackers so that explains... That explains self-explanatory Oh no not the salty cracker Yeah the salty cracker so uh but he's all when to cover this story Trigger warning Trigger warning your attention, please trigger

1:39:27 Trigger warning has been activated. Alright, can we go straight into it? Educator fired! A Bronx school Super Nintendo says that she was fired as a result of Chancellor Richard Carraza's equity agenda my friends that advanced people of color over whites Karen Ames is suing the New York schools for 150 billion 150 million dollars? Zimbabwean dollars? Wakandan dollars right? Ah shit $150 million because she says that she was targeted by Karadza's, quote, disrupt and dismantle campaign to oust or marginalize long-time employees. She is in one of these things. Ames was grilled about her, quote, ethnic background chastised by a colleague at a training session when she shared her grandparents' experience during the Holocaust in Poland and then she was admonished

1:38:45 Well, I do remember a lot of jokes going on. We were joking around a lot back in the day when that came out No! People actually think they're gonna create their own Wakanda And it's like, unless you have a natural resource like that has. Okay? You don't believe me I'm gonna need a trigger warner before i play this next clip because it's from a guy named salty crackers so that explains... That explains self-explanatory Oh no not the salty cracker Yeah the salty cracker so uh but he's all when to cover this story Trigger warning Trigger warning your attention, please trigger

1:39:27 Trigger warning has been activated. Alright, can we go straight into it? Educator fired! A Bronx school Super Nintendo says that she was fired as a result of Chancellor Richard Carraza's equity agenda my friends that advanced people of color over whites Karen Ames is suing the New York schools for 150 billion 150 million dollars? Zimbabwean dollars? Wakandan dollars right? Ah shit $150 million because she says that she was targeted by Karadza's, quote, disrupt and dismantle campaign to oust or marginalize long-time employees. She is in one of these things. Ames was grilled about her, quote, ethnic background chastised by a colleague at a training session when she shared her grandparents' experience during the Holocaust in Poland and then she was admonished

1:40:16 when she declined a request at Super Nintendo's meetings to take part in comic book movie inspired Wakanda Forever Salute to Black Power. She charges illegal filing. Ames was praised by Carraza in a visit to her Bronx school, he praised for raising math scores at a troubled school but see they don't care about that. That racist man! Yeah there it is again. But she was fired and this is New York Post New York Post, you can probably look it up. Bronx educator claims she was fired at the sharing Holocaust story refusing Wakanda salute She wouldn't do the Wakanda salute Which to be honest with you The Wakanda salute is actually the X for Osiris in Egypt You know when they used bury him and there's some sarcophagus Yeah they bury him like that yeah yeah yeah yeah District of Cairo

1:41:13 Man It's right there And the thing is, this lady looks like Kamala Harris when you look at her picture. I mean she favors Kamala Harris so it's like what in the... I'm looking right now and oh man, man, man, man This Wakanda thing that's some mind control right there It is! Because I see it popping up everywhere jokingly You know hey brother Wakanda forever No this ain't no joke This is not a joke But I see him jokingly And I was like, yeah whatever. But now you bring it up and it's like wow she does look like Kamala Harris a bit. A little rougher. Which that means... That what I'm saying racially ambiguous. If you saw her I could say she might be his sister. She might got a little... Could be. You had to do the double check. I did have to look twice yes? Right! Wow

1:42:08 So, I mean this is why I brought up- now you see why I brought up Black Panther because... Wow! People are getting fired over not doing the Wakanda salute. Are you kidding me? Wow so um... That is... Can I get a cancel culture, I mean uh cancel cannon for Mr. Van Jones please? Because he's next up. Oh there it is! Oh van! He was on the view and he was brought to task for working with the enemy. Uh oh

1:42:47 Now Van, you do spend a lot of time threading the middle and trying to unite people. But there are those who really accuse you of being a political opportunist—a chameleon so-to speak—who provided racial cover for former disgraced twice impeached President Trump You said this and I quote Donald Trump And I get beat up by liberals every time I say this but i'm going to keep saying it He has done good stuff for the black community, Opportunity Zone stuff. Black college stuff. There's a side to Donald Trump that I think he does not get enough credit for yet just recently you cried on CNN when Joe Biden was elected the 46th president and you said it's easier to be apparent now character matters now truth matters You even mentioned George Floyd and said A lot of people felt they couldn't breathe

1:42:08 So, I mean this is why I brought up- now you see why I brought up Black Panther because... Wow! People are getting fired over not doing the Wakanda salute. Are you kidding me? Wow so um... That is... Can I get a cancel culture, I mean uh cancel cannon for Mr. Van Jones please? Because he's next up. Oh there it is! Oh van! He was on the view and he was brought to task for working with the enemy. Uh oh

1:42:47 Now Van, you do spend a lot of time threading the middle and trying to unite people. But there are those who really accuse you of being a political opportunist—a chameleon so-to speak—who provided racial cover for former disgraced twice impeached President Trump You said this and I quote Donald Trump And I get beat up by liberals every time I say this but i'm going to keep saying it He has done good stuff for the black community, Opportunity Zone stuff. Black college stuff. There's a side to Donald Trump that I think he does not get enough credit for yet just recently you cried on CNN when Joe Biden was elected the 46th president and you said it's easier to be apparent now character matters now truth matters You even mentioned George Floyd and said A lot of people felt they couldn't breathe

1:43:34 People in the black community don't trust you anymore. What is your response? Wait a minute, who was asking the question that's that's sunny Oh she speaks on behalf of the black community and she can say that She's late to the party because we didn't trust Van for a long time All that crying on television We did trust him for different reasons Oh, why cooler van? Um, so throw a Wakanda salute real quick. Van if you want to still be here. No van is done and it's bigger reasons I'm going to get into that later but uh van tries to explain in 19 but it doesn't work out

1:44:16 Black lives matter, math matters too. 80% of black folks are locked up in states that are run in part or whole by Republicans red state and purple states so when you can pass a law as my team has done in Louisiana, Georgia, even California, Michigan. Red states blue states and purple states to get people home the people The people behind bars are not sitting up here worried, saying get me out of prison Dan or whatever you do don't talk to a Republican. They say get me out of prison and I am proud of the fact that my team at the Reform Alliance Dream Corps and Cut 50 have been able to work with anybody to get folks home. At a certain point we got to stop focusing on rhetoric and look at results. People may not like everything I have said on television but try to be balanced but look what I've done

1:45:14 Who among my critics have been able to get people together to help folks at the bottom? When we fight like this about everything, and you can't give anybody even a little bit of credit for anything. Who hurts is not the politicians it's not the pundits is regular folks who don't have anything People who can't vote because they're in jail We have to put their interests first I'm never going to apologize For putting the interest of people at the bottom first People need champions who ever is in that White House I've got a responsibility to go in there and advocate and try to get people home out of prison. I'm gonna keep doing it whoever's in that white house No, man First of all news flash van math is racist yeah, so you might want to leave the audio Defending yourself and but

1:46:08 It ain't gonna work because now you like I said even a Van Jones you go on TV. You cry, you know? You know, you can't have any leanings Towards working with the other side at all or is cancellation, but there's a ulterior motive to cancel in van and We're gonna get to that. Did you want make it comment before we get into the next? I've always appreciated Van Jones no matter what he did. I'd liked I liked the crying I think that's great It makes for great clips I think his heart's in the right place. It's just he actually becomes the canary in the coal mine, you know? You can't have it both ways in today's culture. It just doesn't work that way. Yeah and that's the thing that you were saying about...I used to have a problem with Van but when we heard him talk about how he was a natural crier and been a crier since a kid, I used to think that was a ploy

1:47:10 But when you come to find out like I said humanizing When the Psalm as a human and say okay, well if your natural cryer knock yourself out. I mean that's what you do And this time because man the stuff he says here I like You know it's like most of what he's saying is good but that's not just not gonna help Well, the thing is he thought he could and this is where a lot of people are gonna realize there is no middle ground Extremist can't straddle these are extremists Get that through your thick head. There is going to be total 100% compliance or you're going to be canceled and not only do they, Sunny, she's part of the Boulay AKAs and things that nature as we heard when she was bigging up her sister Kamala Harris but they said okay, Sunny had a piece now let Anna get a piece

1:48:11 that You and I were probably the two most vocal critics of Trump during the campaign on CNN, to the point where it was reported that Jared Kushner went in and met with executives at our parent company and asked that you and I be fired. And then all of a sudden you show up the

1:49:05 principled critic of the Trump administration as I was, to all of a sudden being in the White House celebrating with them and taking posing for pictures with Candace Owens. Can you explain the evolution to people who are puzzled by it? But you did things like take smiling pictures with Candace Owens who I think is very hurtful. Do not regret that? Absolutely not. You don't regret taking pictures, smiling pictures with Candace Owens. I mean how does that help the issue? Right, right. There's like what is it? What what is the meme about her that everyone has to hate her? What-what is she was the problem I mean of course we know exactly who she is. Like you said well... But what do they use as excuse Van Jones We know he's a turncoat He's a traitor because he took pictures with uh with Ken and Barbie What did Candace Owens do because she You want to be completely honest with me yeah, I mean cuz I mean Of course Okay Because this this is not what I think

1:50:16 But this is the, you asked a question of how she's portrayed. And she's portrayed as the white man's bed wench. Right okay and that but that's basically... She'll do whatever the white conservative white men tell her to do, she'll do it Wow, didn't she kind of come up with on her own? Notice the feminism goes out the window. The sisterhood goes out the window. She kinda got thrust onto this scene for a racism incident at a school Which she really didn't even want any, she didn't publicize it. That happened outside of her and then she kind of went oh okay and then she saw what kind of misunderstanding there was and she became an activist to help people understand you know there was no white

1:51:05 white push at all. In fact, quite the opposite I think she came from very pure motives is that your understanding of the truth as well? Well i saw the meteoric rise of Candace Owens because I remember when she would just pop up my YouTube feed and it was like black woman support Trump or black woman supports conservative kind of thing right right and she was there it was very like you said very organic It wasn't like she came out with a polished uh...it was just kinda like youtube videos from home And she would kind of like, it was kind of like that walk away kinda vibe or why I'm walking away from the Democratic Party. People saw her as a asset and were like okay yeah! She's attractive, well spoken... She's a beast on the debating skills You better come correct because when you come to laying down facts she will make you look stupid if you don't come prepared

1:52:01 But the problem is, and I said this before about Candace and this is my timing with her. Like you don't have to talk about George Floyd and whatever he was doing the day after it happened Now you can have whatever discussions... The discussions probably need to be had but It's about timing Right but I would say that this is just a young person who has been activist who has learned those kinds of things You learn about timing from getting it wrong Yeah, but what I'm saying is that in the position she's in she has very little room for a margin for error. Right? Because even myself... I mean because I don't give a rat's ass what people think about me. But her being on the public stage like that, uh, I know it hurts her. It hurts her feelings. Uh, I know it has to but what she does is she takes that energy and like force multiplies it back at him

1:52:57 Um, which I think maybe very unhealthy in the long term You can't I mean you just can't keep ratcheting it up. But um Yeah, I think um what they did this thing with Candace Owens but it's not about Candice Owens No, you want to hear my theory sure? I might need a little theorem for this because if this is this is uh This is a theory. This is a Mo Fax theory I Think I think Van Jones is under attack because the partnership that he's possibly forming. Have you heard who he's dating or possibly dating? Oh yeah, uh...I do know this wasn't he dating some famous actress Kim Kardashian! Okay some famous not actress really now huh

1:53:56 Here's the story, here's the scoop. Kanye and Kim are breaking up as you've seen in the news and supposedly when she was there visiting with Jared and Ivanka Her and Van were getting close. So I think this is a pre-emptive strike on Kim Kardashian because if you put Van Jones political mind and political connections behind a Kim Kardashian in a very easy to win California... Very dangerous, oh interesting! Yeah okay

1:54:41 And I was like, why are they attacking Van for? That happened so many years ago. Not so many... But so long ago! They didn't even give him this kind of energy when the election was going on Why are they coming out now but soon as The stories start coming out about him and Kim Kardashian All of sudden The View wants to attack him Okay If Kim can walk that line of well, we want to have a black kid no Jim is a force to be reckoned with yeah whoa what a power couple I'm looking at it now. That is a super-duper power couple so if that's the case interesting Yeah, nothing Vans not married well he's conveniently getting a divorce Recently huh? Well now

1:55:35 I could easily see Kim winning governor of California. Oh man, haha! You think? No because guess who won right over there? No I totally agree, no I totally agree. I'm just laughing like holy crap what a was fantastic if you go back and look at all the videos guess who was giving her credibility to her law degree Van Jones he had nothing but kind words to say and van jones is backed by Jay-Z yep So, I'm just gonna say that. Well you know what? That would be... at least we'd have something new on the political stage. That would be great! I don't really care if your Republican Democrat let's just get some young people in there hey hello 40s hello 30s let's go crazy let's get some younger thinking in there

1:56:27 And I think that's one good thing about what Donald Trump did, that nothing you can do in your past is probably worse than his past. Right! That means anybody can do it yeah exactly Yeah so now you're going to open it up to a lot of different schools of thought to be in politics because politics used to be a purity game Which now is, you know if you can command the headlines and get the people out in mobile. So that was my first take on one linear thinking and individualism I think that

1:57:06 Yeah, I mean that thing is a clear it's clear attack. You saw what they did the van you saw they did the horse There's no room for there's no room you thought they did to the teacher and uh, excuse me superintendent yeah in the Bronx We're not doing the Wakanda salute So this is about that one man This is sounding a lot like, you know other revolutions that we've seen in the past where there's purity tests. Yeah But that's what we do here on The Mo Facts with Adam Curry show and uh If you want to tell people what were about Well here's little expander explainer First the white man and black man have to be able sit down at the same table The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting feelings of that negro

2:13:16 And we can just get right into 22 and this is a throwback clip from show 13. If you talk about politics, then you are not in service to Christ but to mute an African American voice at this level is a form of slavery and being a slave to the system and to people's perceptions. And the reality of what people have chosen for our culture, since we are orphans is not in service to God! In the Bible there are many topics of slavery and we are African Americans and we are still dealing with modern day slavery We still have record contracts publishing deals touring deals management deals

2:14:06 Radio deals that we not the owners until we really own our own community really make Wakanda for real This is gonna take more than the Jesus chain. We got to make what kind of probably with us too, though You know I'm saying man. I've been waiting you see how pervasive this will cause a thing But as he says that if you don't control, and this is what the Herkowitz... I think it's Herkowitz? Yes. Herskovits. Herskovits, excuse me. If you're not defining a culture other people will define it for you. Yeah! And that's what he's experiencing

2:14:56 He was kind of speaking to Van Jones in a roundabout way. You're gonna be you're gonna be cat you're gonna be canceled if you don't submit and in the next clip he makes a Prophetic statement I want to say one thing about Kanye before we move on, I'm gonna be praying for that brother cuz I know this whole Kim Kardashian thing, they're gonna try to crack him with this. They are sitting around licking their chops right now when I mean they the entertainment media. Yeah. Oh there already is drag him? No you this This is nothing I'm talking about two levels past Bill Cosby. I mean they're gonna I mean because they have to take them down

2:15:45 They have to take, he's a free man thinking. Free man talking and that is totally off code. Yeah well the prayers will be needed because it's going to be very very hard for him Yes, so I just want to say that but luckily he He's he seems to be strong in his faith now So hopefully that we're missing that that helps him get through this time. But in this next clip he speaks about one of the things on a list and that's the counseling of Christianity in Christ are you afraid of losing your audience? Yeah Told you I'm only afraid of God. I'm only frightened my daddy God I've been 15 years I'm telling you god is showing that You can have your own thoughts, bro I've been canceled before there was cancelled culture who told you that

2:16:37 that my career would be over. The same people that are telling you, that you can't have a right to say who you will vote for those people will soon take Jesus out the school Those people will soon remove Jesus period from America which is the Bible Belt Man come on man I ain't finna go Alex Jones level with y'all man come on man what y'all want? Wake up! Wake up Mr West wake up culture Wake up a bite think they show woke but they following the rules of what woke supposed to be Hip-hop ain't never been about following rules. It's been about doing what you feel I'm gonna take this Louie. I'ma throw it like that. I'm gonna do with the polar I'm gonna do it like this even like the way I talk hold on Let me use my african-american voice let me use my Disney approved voice Mm-hmm, let me you yeah, I'm saying we're not even speaking in our own language bro Like we talk louder than this Africans talk loud Italian moms talk loud

2:17:34 We talk louder, but we speak in our corporate voice. Or we don't want to ruin the deal voice or this why? Bro I love y'all man and i love me and i love christ and y'all should love to see this. I'm not gonna tell you what y'all should do, I'm just doing what I do. If you love it then cool if ya'll wanna rap me it ain't gonna make a difference honestly! I done been killed so many times on social media and I'm still here look at me! I love that clip its one of my favorites. And he said y'all are being woke but by the rules of being woke

2:18:18 And that's what this document that came out from the Museum of African American History. That is the rules for being woke! We got to get rid of this scientific method, rational thinking individualism hard work and fourth on that list is Christianity and Christ so I think this is not about...I mean this is not about religion This is about taking one of the foundations of America Foundations of a- This is about taking away one the bedrocks of a large portion of America and cancelling it. That's very disruptive, and on cue...

2:19:02 Sean King comes in with cancelling Jesus. Oh no! Jesus Christ, watch out cause Sean King is coming This week transracial civil rights activist Sean King or as some of you know him Calcum X tried to cancel the most hateful violent evil racist of them all...Jesus? Yeah, Shamrock Obama tried to take down the King of Kings. The white one specifically! Unfortunately for him he's 2000 years later or what is commonly referred to as CPT. Pale Sharpton tweeted that statues of the White European Jesus should come down they are a form of white supremacy and always have been First off all for someone who crucifies white people for a living I assume he'd appreciate the imagery Secondly He kinda has a point Certain groups have used Christianity to oppress people Slave traders, the KKK, jewelers

2:19:46 Jesus is always a form of white supremacy. Martin Luther, Cream what the fuck are you talking about? Sean says in the Bible when Jesus wanted to hide he went to Egypt not Denmark that is true probably because Denmark didn't exist but I think the brilliant revelation Thurgood Marshmallow was trying to make is that Jesus wasn't white hey Shawn no shit! Uh oh so let me just say this If whiteness was a commodity or stock, I would be going short on white right now. Oh yeah! Short on white? It's very short on white. Go long on brown because that is the up and coming... if you had to compare cash to crypto, brown is the crypto so it's gaining a lot of value right now

2:20:45 And I'm not talking about per se color, I'm talking about these groups that are being defined by these like a color revolution kind of thing. Not literal color but the only problem is black value is We're really tied to white value. Right? Because we helped build this country that these people are trying to tear down and it's like, what wait hold on you want to do what to America? Yeah, it puts us in a weird spot cuz like we got some beef with them. We understand You know I mean they still owe us our atonement but you wanna burn it down yeah And so now you have a fork and blackness

2:21:30 You have half the black that want to go with, I was going to ask you what do you think that percentage is Moe? Let's just take the voting numbers. Wait a minute...you found the numbers? No no no i'm saying if they said twice the turnout for Trump than last year so we can at least go off that number. We have a baseline from 2016 yeah Yeah so they keep saying it's twice numbered So if you say 80-20 But the 80 is, I mean the 20 you have some big bank in that 20. Yeah You have some big names in that 20 and then we really don't know if it's 80-20 or not because the solid majority Is on the sidelines... Could be much bigger yeah Right So all I'm just saying is that If you're asking me to

2:22:27 If, okay just say if they're trying to cut a deal with me and they said Moe come on, come on Moe. Come on browse the new thing come on I'm in cash. Why it was so 20th century? You know what I mean? Come on, come into the 21st century and it's like uh yeah but what about this bill that we have who's gonna make good on that bill man did you read- I read that HR 40 Bullcrap. I mean it really is, it really is... It's so open to interpretation and this seems like they want to spend a lot- This is what I was worried about and I'm glad we're talking about for second There's this whole section in there which And then we've seen this HR 40 come by before but this is a little new where they wanted to do a study of the actual enslavement

2:23:16 And I think you'll find that it wasn't a lot of American sailing ships that were doing the transport and enslavement. Who own those boats? You trying to get me canceled, Adam! I'm telling you, Moe. I'm talking about cancel-cancel but you know what i'm going to do enough in this show all alone on my own This show right here, this might get me... I mean like yeah. I'm just telling you what i'm reading! I'm picking up what you're putting down Adam. Who owned the boats? Right

2:23:53 if the boats even existed. I mean, let's just... Are we gonna go there? Let's just even do that one! Yeah yeah yeah, oh man we gotta do a whole episode on that. If the boats existed love it. But yeah its that they're coming to me and saying come on invest in brown you know like I said go short on white invest in brown its the new thing but I'm old in white coin. Right, so you don't want the white coin to go away? No because are you gonna inherit their debt

2:24:33 And I'm not talking about me specifically, but I'm saying me as a black person. Like this is the thing with... Let's just put it out on the table This is the thing with Marxism. It's why they keep coming with Marxism-Communism You know where hey you know never capitalism never worked out for your black people? You know I mean so it's like okay But what's my standing in this new society you're trying to form yeah It's like, we'll all be equal. Yeah! All of us have nothing. Oh that doesn't work for me. We kind of like the idea of the promise better yeah I mean the thing is...

2:25:12 I just, it's a very hard sell. Yeah because it is clear cut my case if you want to hear the Ks go back to 50. My case against the institution of or the country of America is quite clear With this, it's like a just take a leap of faith and we'll get you good on the back end. Yeah, I know before we've heard that one before yeah And then in the way they rule I can't I can't rock with that but yeah But Christ is our crisis on the hit list clearly um so if White Jesus is gonna be taken out? Is it possible you could talk about a black Jesus?

2:26:04 Mama, couldn't we at least let Black Jesus hang alongside? Forget it. The only Jesus I know is him and the one thing he don't need is a partner. Especially not both of you! This picture has been in my family for as long as I can remember When I was a baby, I didn't know what I saw first My mama, my papa or this Jesus Now He's the one that I know and love so let's close the subject Jesus was black the Bible would have said so but it does say so what are you talking about? I read about it um, it's in Revelations chapter 1 verse 14 says His hair is like wool his eyes are like flames

2:26:53 well lord have mercy you sure do say that don't it and see mama look at her hair like full on ain't it? and look at them eyes red like fire yeah they show How do we know Jesus wasn't black? He could have been from the lost tribe of Israel. They were supposed to be black! I bet they were, if ever people were lost, we're it! Wow 1970s Don't hear that anymore, do ya? 1970's wow And I'm just gonna ask this question Chinese got Chinese Jesus Everybody go their own but whenever you make Jesus a black person

2:27:43 It is so upsetting to a certain group of people. I don't understand that and what you do is, you open up the door for Sean Kean to make an argument to say... Get rid of Jesus? Well no, yeah because like you heard Florida- let me give a little background that was from The Good Times Show but I didn't set it too well But that was from The Good Times Show and JJ had painted an image of a black Jesus Michael being a reminded me of me, reminding me of a young Moe went and hung it up until the white Jesus down. And his mom said you heard what Florida Evans said I don't know who I saw first white Jesus or my mama

2:28:29 Right. So what I'm saying is this that opens the case up to say they uses white really white man religion through slave you You know saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's time to rebrand it's time to tell you It's time to repackage but um, well why is it so infuriating? I don't understand like I said when you go to China you have Chinese Jesus you go to any other culture you have matching of that culture and But if for one reason or another, like I said 1970s and Lear. I'm surprised Lear let that on television. I mean, I got to give him props for that you know um That had to be very brave but you could do a lot more back then You can't do anything anymore Why is that though? Why are we going backwards If were more free than where would have been why are we going backward Because the advertisers have more power And advertisers want zeroes Zeroes zero controversy No bad feelings Everybody happy

2:29:29 Yeah, that's the basis of it. But then he... so I'm just saying so it just perplexes me anytime we're in a spiral now that we have social media And the tools have been developed and sharpened to people know how to do it. You just go after the advertiser and say, hey advertiser I can't believe you're advertising on this show. Oh we're gonna cancel you oh We're gonna make a problem for you and then that immediately is taken care of by Canceling the media buy whatever has to happen making a stand making an apology It's pressure its its bullying. It's really bullying

2:30:11 And let me say one thing, when they say... When I say they the African American Museum. When they talk about getting rid of Christianity They're not talking about Catholicism No, they're not That's what their talking about because the Pope is bought in He's read into that plan Their talking about The Bible and it's a large enough segment I'm not going to say large but large enough Of black people that feel we have something tied to that book That when you come for that, I think that's gonna be overreach. Because as you heard in the 1970s people talking about black Jesus and the lost child of Israel and then we have Malcolm X speaking on Moses Jesus in jail

2:31:05 They put Moses in jail. They put Daniel in jail Why you haven't got a man of God in the Bible that wasn't put to jail when they started speaking out against exploitation and oppression? They charged Jesus with sedition Didn't didn't they do that They said he was against Caesar They said he was discriminating because he told his disciples, go not the way of the Gentiles but rather go to the lost sheep. He discriminated! Don't go near the Gentiles, Go to the lost sheep. Go through your oppressed. Go through the downtrodden. Go through the exploited. Go through the people who don't know who they are

2:31:52 who are lost from the knowledge of themselves and who are strangers in a land that is not theirs. Go to those people, go to the slaves, go to the second-class citizens, go to the ones who are suffering the brunt of Caesar's brutality And if Jesus were here in America today he wouldn't be going through the white man The white man is the oppressor He would be going through the oppressed He would be going to the humble. He would be going through the lowly he would be going through the rejected in the despised He would be going to their so-called American Negro You know what year that was? 1963 I believe 64 if i'm not mistaken one of them were in between those two generally just a couple years away from from The Good Times episode yeah, this momentum was building of

2:32:48 Once again, who are we? Who are we wait a minute when I actually read the Bible it says something different than one out and when I see these pictures which all cultures do that all cultures make gods even in Greece they redid the Egyptian Pantheon you know It is what is and that's why Egypt. Is there Holy Grail as he talked about in the last show Yeah on now on the left-hand path so um My favorite racist, Donald Sterling. Because the reason I say that is Donald Sterling and all that he did

2:33:27 He dropped so many truth bombs and I think that's why they got him canceled, canceled. They were like you take your two billion dollars for your team we're going to pay you twice what the value is shut up! Stop talking because i have a video tape of him talking to V Stavaloni? I think it's how you pronounce his name. This was the audio that got him into trouble Oh, this is what yeah. This one really got him in trouble but you didn't hear about it um this is uh Donald Sterling talking about the black Jews if it makes you happy I will remove all of the black people from my Instagram You said that before? You said I understand! I did remove the people that were independently on my instagram there are blacks

2:34:21 Then why did you start saying that you didn't? You just said you didn't remove them. I didn't move Matt Kemp and Magic Johnson, but I thought Matt Kemp is mixed and he was okay just like me He's lighter and whiter than me I met his mother You think I'm a racist. Yes you do, yes you do. Evil heart! I don't think so...I think that people around you have poison mind and have a way of thinking It's the world! You go to Israel, the blacks

2:35:04 are just treated like dogs. So do you have to treat them like that too? The white Jews, there's white Jews and black Jews Do you understand? And are the black Jews less than the white Jews? 100%, 50% It is a question we don't evaluate what's right and wrong We live in a society We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture, but shouldn't we take a stand for what's wrong and be the change in the difference? I don't want to change the culture because it can't. It's too big. You can change yourself. I don't want to change if my girl can do what I want. I don't want the girl. I'll find a girl they will do when I walk. Yeah, well you're 80 now, you might as well

2:35:56 You didn't hear that on the news not that last bit I heard part of the other piece. I think we had it no Jews No, we are no agenda when do we had to quit? Okay? Yeah, I'm sorry you're right But it's amazing they cancelled him for Maddie Johnson and taking pictures down, basketball players. Yeah but he brings up the black Jews and say 150% treated like dogs and they suppress it why? Is that offensive where are the pro-Palestine people on this

2:36:38 I mean, don't you notice like whenever they start bringing this up nobody takes it on. So I have Vee she's speaking with Barbara Walters and I want for a little clarity Barbara Walters is 100% Jewish. I don't think she's practicing religious Jewish but more of an ethnic Jew listen to how she sounds when Vee brings the black Jews on her show I think the things he says are not what he feels. Anyone can say anything in the heat of the moment Not everybody makes alleged racist remarks in the heat of the moment Sometimes, in the heat of the moment you say things... That you mean? ...that you feel Explain how he says these things I think Mr. Stroman is from a different generation than I am

2:37:35 I think he was brought up to believe those things. What things? Segregation, whites and blacks minorities from black Jews to light Jews to dark Jews Black...Jews? Yes So it's not just blacks it's anti-semitism He expresses but he is Jewish But through his actions he has shown that he is not a racist You should see her face. This is more than the time I wish it was video. She's like, black? Jews?! Like really? What are you- what?

2:38:11 But then she does this with, you gotta, we probably gotta listen to it again. Because she says oh its an anti-semitism thing! Yes exactly Not a black thing! Yeah yeah yeah That was very funny here Black minorities from black Jews to light Jews to dark Jews... Black? Jews yes so its not just blacks its anti-semitism he expresses but he's Jewish What? That's the classic pivot, right. We talked about it with the ice cube and everything comes up is always anti-semitism they always make it about that and I just said for the little clarity if you didn't notice uh but yeah so it's just like she never heard of black Jews before black Jews like what are you talking about maybe she hadn't I don't know

2:39:03 Did you not hear his tape? Why are you shocked? Come on, knock it off. Um, Barbara I'm talking to come on But I know a lot of people got their pens and pads out right now ready to write most facts or letter your laptops And like what the hell is more talking about well look I'm from the book of the Bible believing we shouldn't make graven images or anything. So, we really shouldn't be talking about what the painting looked like or anything like that right? Let me be clear on that but one of the most famous preachers in all history Billy Graham's take on black Jesus.

2:39:46 And they laughed at him and they spit on him. And they mocked Him, and with one snap of His finger 72 thousand angels had already drawn their swords ready to come to his rescue and wipe this planet out of existence in the universe. And Jesus said no, to this end was I born." And He dragged and lifted and hauled that cross! Don't you black people ever forget one thing? The man that helped Jesus carry that cross was a black man. And don't ever forget another thing, Jesus belongs to Africa as much as he does to Europe and Asia He was born in that part of the world that touches Africa and Asia and Europe

2:40:40 And Jesus was not a white man like me. Nor was he as black as some of you We don't know what the color of his skin, but it must have been a dark color like the people of this day because He was a man like them Don't ever say it's all white men religion or a black man's religion It's a world religion! He belongs to the world! Yeah, I mean and Billy Graham had the ear of all the presidents. Always! To say he was like one of the most powerful men in his era but i'm just saying that ain't my words you take it up with Billy Graham yeah I mean hey you heard what he said so um

2:41:33 But we've known that they wanted to get rid of Jesus ever since show two. And this is goes to talk about what Florida every was saying that she's seen white Jesus every since she's been a child, this is from Show 2 claiming the seat at the table I want to start by just talking, giving you a little perspective of my household in the 70s. If you were like me growing up in the 70's there are portraits of MLK JFK and Jesus hung on on a lot of folks walls that was the Trinity today The trinity of Oprah Beyonce Michelle Obama could almost replace them Wow well Oprah

2:42:22 Uh, uh, Beyonce and who was the third one? Um, Barack Obama. Was it brought no, no Michelle Obama. I'm sure. Whoa, whoa, big me. Sorry. Who's coming down off the wall for Gigi P Well let me see Oprah Beyonce Michelle I don't know, I mean... Well tough one. Let's get into the clip In a bizarre step to bolster the cult of Xi Jinping the Christian minority in the Jiangxi province of Southeast China have been now advised to replace the image of Jesus Christ with that of President Xi Jinping With that logic Jesus Christ would not

2:43:21 would not pull the poor Christians out of their poverty but President Xi Jinping could. On the back of this logic, Christian poor in the Shaanxi province have been asked to take down the images of Jesus Christ, crucifixes and rosary beads and instead replace them with posters of President Xi Jinping What has drawn sharp criticism in this promotion of the cult of Xi Jinping is that those who do not replace the images of Jesus Christ with that of Xi Jinping will not be provided with poverty alleviation policies from the government. Services and funding by Chinese government

2:43:58 also in fact included as a penalty for not conforming to that norm. The Jiangxi province has more than 11 million members of the Christian community who live in abject poverty, according to some surveys members of the Christian community across the whole of China is about 90 million which outnumbers the total membership of the Communist Party in the country. President Xi Jinping, in the promotion of his personality cult, is trying to recreate a similar practice where after the Cultural Revolution in China people used to hang up the posters of Mao Zedong. Wow it's such as simple and effective strategy

2:44:40 You say, okay Xi Jinping he will replace Jesus because he will bring salvation to you the poor and if you don't hang up his picture then you'll see. And if you do oh yes there comes the salvation because you don't get it if you don't have this picture but meanwhile the kids learn that that's the guy! The next generation is who this affects most deeply Yes That's sick how old... Is this a new clip? I think maybe a year or two old. Wow, that's great! But so now you going back now you want me to buy into that? Right... I think not and and i think i will be comfortable to say a large majority of

2:45:33 people in America, black or not are non-black would not go for that either. I think they'd be shocked if they heard it and never heard of this clip i think they'll be shocked as a new that was going on yeah but you see the response is what is called Overton window? Yes, Overton Window. Okay Jesus comes down for Beyonce Michelle Obama and other lady okay now we replace them with Gigi Ping Wow. See how easily that rolled off his tongue to say, oh yeah we took down Jesus JFK and MLK uh-huh yeah we put up a first lady as celebrity and it's like what? So they're preparing you to get rid of your faith whatever your faith is or I mean well yeah i think whatever gets you by They're preparing the next generation That's really who it affects everything We've heard about okay the first picture I saw when I was born if that was my mom with Jesus Christ

2:52:33 As I pointed out, we've been talking about this thing for over a year. Yeah, I mean we got clips from back you know just the second show We've been talking and it's not a pat on our back was just that this conversation Needs to be had amongst you and someone else like me and Adam This is the conversation between me and Adam when we get together and like And we fill in the blanks for each other. It's like, oh I didn't know that you know and then in the picture becomes clear So this go- This is Mr Jason Whitlock and this is from show 21 And he was talking about uh The planned demise of the black family All kinds of decisions are being made all kinds of new cultural norms Are being established That perhaps you don't agree with

2:53:26 and but you're running around chasing after Trump and don't even care that all your cultural norms are being reshaped. And again, we have created particular... It's throughout American society but it's most acute in our society We have been convinced as black men and women that we don't need each other. Right the most toxic, poisonous dangerous creation we could have. We're on the precipice of self-destruction if that takes root. Yep! Sounded like hyperbole then... Yeah but not really now huh?

2:54:11 But when you have the documentation that says, oh yeah. You know that stable family? I mean that stable nuclear family and I saw this thing cropping up uh it's they do this weird uh uh slight of hand trick they say well we're talking about extended family which to be honest well If you just take it on service, I'm like that's cool because I kind of grew up with extended families. You know your grandma lived with you or... Right. You know? I mean um... But she is still a very successful model in many cultures Oh! It's the best. It is the best. My mother-in-law lived with me for four years and you are amazing

2:54:57 the relationship she has with the kids and if you need to want to go out on a date, you don't have to really get a babysitter per se. Yeah that's like that's the whole idea mom and dad can still have a marriage married life It's a pressure release and then it's like kids keep an eye on grandma. Make sure she cuts the stove off, you know what I'm saying? She gets a little forgetful. I didn't really grow up with my grandparents because we lived overseas And I was always a little envious and when they came to visit it was a big deal Yeah, well luckily for me for a few years of my life I live next door to one set of grandparents. I'm talking about literally next door and then my maternal grandmother came to the house almost every day and as I said had a wonderful childhood actually lived

2:55:47 the American life, right? I mean like that it's meant to be and that's why maybe so attached to in a way because the way you know we have a lot of money but like said nuclear family but then you had extended family nearby in. You know you learn some much really I'm a baby boomer Not in chronological years, but like... But in my makeup because I saw my grandparents and you know was so close to them the things they instilled me. I'm not really in that I think I would be considered Generation X but I had the mindset of an older generation

2:56:34 Because I had appreciation for it because I was exposed to it. But going back to what I was saying, they sell you on the dream of extended family or cousins and no that's not what they're talking about What they're talking about is these makeshift families where an enclave of friends get together And everybody can't afford a house They are communes! That's exactly what we're talking about. And I'm gonna give you an example of how this breeds over to pop culture and mainstream culture Oh, okay Friendsgiving Yes Yeah, you're right friends giving oh You know two part of see your family get together with friends and they'll call it friends This is this is the new plan

2:57:23 Where you'll be living in a, I don't know, uh... bunk. You have a bunk and a compound. In a dorm! We've seen this thing. I think you did a clip on with the Lululemon guy where he sleeps in like a bunk and has two pair of underwear and two pair of pants. Exactly That's the plan for the future The luxury of it is you get to create your own family, because your real family sucks and they don't understand you. So this is the war but they roll these things out and like I said, I could have had 60 clips in the show but Friendsgiving is a perfect example of this

2:58:04 It's not that they're going to sell you the extended family, which I'm more than a fan of because i think it takes stress off of kids. The pressure to be 18 and figure things out and go off on their own right? I don't really think kids especially kids in this age because of arrested development Not as a negative thing, but just we age slower now. Even myself you know I mean me at 40 I would probably be where my dad was there like 27. I mean so because they grew up hard and rough But yeah So that's what they're trying to do is they're trying to sell this I forget the name of it It's like a selected family or something like that um where

2:58:51 Yeah, so that's what they're trying to do. I'm not familiar with the select...I'm sure they do have a catchy phrase for it but i don't know what it is. Yes! It slips my mind what it is but um yeah So basically you-it won't be extended family which would think thats opposite of the nuclear family But no its this selected family or like all these friends So Jason was on it and he was saying like yeah they were trying to say black men and women dont need each other And as always say It starts with us. And that's why you see divorce and single parent families and things are through the roof, I mean that's where you want to live, that's your choice but i don't like how the media is selling it as their best way

2:59:36 If it works for you, it works for you But let's get back in the front show 21 and get back in with Jason Whitlock and the patriarchy believe in family Believe in the patriarchy well And again I don't hope I am the patriarchy. I tell people upfront You know and a it I pay a price for that with these woke women out here now but of I believe men And women have unique responsibilities and I'm willing to live up to mine as a man. I don't, again, unique responsibilities not unequal responsibilities, unique responsibilities all the responsibilities that apply to a man I am willing to take on

3:00:26 Family of choice or chosen family. Chosen family, that's the one I... See? That's this trick! It's like you think nuclear family extended family no it's the chosen family. It's the chose- Family of choice versus the family of procreation Yes Man it so heavy do- So heavy duty stuff And you know what the weird thing is? I got a couple messages um and like People actually think you're the conservative one on this show Adam That is interesting. No, but that's the bias thing. They were like well the black guy has to be more liberal than the white guy I mean they just by the eyes of it. I'd say you're a little bit more and yeah, I think you're more conservative Yes I am, yes I am. Not saying that you are liberal but I'm just saying I embrace my... when i said conservative not talking about political affiliation I got explain it to the people here I'm talking about social

3:01:30 conservative. And to give you an example of, we always talk about television shows we have to go back to billions and one of the guys I identify with at my guilty pleasure is Charles Rose Sr from Billions and i get him! This is him giving advice on divorce I really did try to love him. Try harder You have a marriage seven years before you even entertain the notion of a divorce. And the day that Dorsey Brothers showed that Presley boy swiveling his hips, there's been a slow but steady erosion of the family Well here is how you keep one going...you find a group of friends better than you Find one worse Bitch about them to each other and then when your all bitched out run ten miles a day Take your birth control pills and flush em

3:02:31 and make that kid your project together. And if Ira doesn't know how to fuck you, you teach him! Okay... yeah I'm not done One more thing Give yourself a lime test You stick your finger in lime juice and put it up inside and if it stings get yourself cleaned out Do not bring the clap home to your husband It's uncivil That's my guy. Old school, man! I identify with people like that so...I think people should try to keep families intact and create families in...that's just me Speaking of television shows i'm reading here that the Fox television show Almost Family

3:03:25 Uh-huh. Well, that is some deep propaganda for the family of choice And I think this is us as another one You're probably right friends is the one friend was an earlier version of this chosen family Yeah, you watched it watch the commercials Watched their commercials yeah, you better stop depressing me moe No I'm not. If we identify the problem, we can solve the problem. The problem is that we think everything's oh yeah, Thanksgiving! Which if you want to get with friends for Thanksgiving...I understand. I don't like some of my family. I get it.

3:04:15 It's just this thing of choosing. You get to choose everything, you get to choose your family. It's about destroying lineage is what I mean that's what it's about. It is destroying everything the fabric all fabric Because so much of your self-identity comes from your lineage. Whether you like it or not, the way you're made up if you're around your parents, your brothers, your sisters, your aunts and uncles, you see yourself... That aggravates me about them and then you realize that you do it too So then that's how you have self improvement So, I mean it's a process.

3:05:01 Going back to black men, the problem is now these black men right? Black man or the white man. White people are black people That's the narrative and that's why we can't get along because we have these crazy conservative ideas that come from the patriarchy This comes from the conspiracy to destroy black boys from show nine And it tells you pretty much what black men want in general Now we have a lot of people making plenty of money and lonely. They're placing money before family You see, black men want to do what white men do buy their family house in the suburbs two cars and once a year go down to Orlando for Disney World vacation And when black men can't do that they don't feel they're worthy enough to stay

3:05:51 So that was a short clip, but I found out longer clip that really explains what's your working class. And that's why speak for how many people think? I may think I'm a professional because I'm an engineer but bro, I'll work my way up from packing boxes at the end of the line to where I'm at now So my heart and my understanding goes out to the dudes that lace them up every day, and go make- earn their living. And all we want in return is outlined in this next clip which of course if you wanna talk about black men and black families You gotta go talk to Steve Bannon right? Well that would seem like the guy I mean thats almost like

3:06:44 Our buddy Herskovits seems like he has the profile. Well, let's listen to Steve Bannon talk about his family and how they came up The Bell, you know my grandfather and father I think the only two guys in the history of the Bell system to be both 50 year employees. My grandfather worked there for fifty years as a lineman and a PBX guy and my dad was fifty years started in the sewer pulling cable and worked for fifty years so it's a father son worked fifty years for the phone company said that even if had these big institutions you know I was fortunate enough to be raised in a great time in America right? The fifties and sixties

3:07:26 And but he believed in these big institutions, the Catholic Church, the phone company. And these were primitive pictures of your life and it's kind that stability like I came from a neighborhood that was a little bit tough, but it was not like It was a very solid great background as I go throughout the world and meet these very wealthy people I deal with all the time and see their kids the greatest thing you can give a kid is that kind of basic core Loving family, that's there in rock-solid. So the family at the church the community, the phone company. These are institutions and so the institutions are everything is a very institutional life when you think about it quite hierarchical but it's gives you a set framework that you can grow and be get to be an adult in there's a real sense of something that solid there something that's real. So he pointed out he said you need the family

3:08:25 the church and industry. The way that we used to work is my dad worked it this factory and if my son just wanted to be up to my standard of living, I would get him a job at the factory. And it's the thing now where well your kids can't even inherit your job. It used to be that way you know because you would get your kids in the union or yeah or you know are on at the factory and you know at least you know what? My son is not going to have a worse life than mine but this is where America sold their people out

3:09:01 And black men was just like, that's all we want. You know is the living our own neighborhood and have our church? And the reason why I use a Steve Bannon clip is because he's Irish Catholic, which they were the last to get on the white train. Right? Because I mean if you read some of the literature from the KKK they hated the Catholics right up there if not more than blacks. It was neck and neck at times but what I'm saying is even with that built-in roadblocks, they carved out their own little neighborhood and they carved out the industry. And I think they were talking about The Phone Company, The Bell Company. His granddad worked there for 50 years his dad worked there for 50 years now look at him you know two generations three generations now you have a son it's a Hollywood Mobile I believe if i think this is official of work

3:10:03 He's uh, um he got I know you made money in Hollywood. Yeah, he owns a piece of the Seinfeld show he invested yeah to Working in sewers pulling line and being two generations from there So that's all we won't give us a shot But you know what? Imma tell you like this Um We're not giving that shot and I had to be very serious when I say this now because when you see a black man Let me see how I can say this. When you see a black man give it his all and is chewed up and spit out by the system, you saw this in the Rust Belt with white Americans. And Michael Moore said that reason why they voted for Trump was because he was a big middle finger to the establishment and elite. You gave your all

3:11:09 And then the company just walks in and gives you a pink slip or, you know, phase you out because your too old. Or don't give you a pension and as a black man You see your father done like this? Marxism and communism seems like a viable option So if it's what capitalism has for me...and if you don't believe me listen to this now This is real because I'm in the middle right now and I look at my dad and I look at my son Is is it something here for me? Like and in the American contract does that really exist still or is every man for himself, you know And then you got to make the best deal for yourself I don't even know if I can answer that at the moment Moe. I think structurally yeah But the fabric on top of it

3:12:08 that communicates that message is very distorted. But that's what you saw at the Capitol, exactly! That's what you saw and I mean...that's why i can empathize with those folks because when they shut down the flour mills and textile mills in a small North Carolina town where I'm from before my uncles had high school education at best but they could take care of their families right fast forward 30 years you could have two people working and you're scraping by? This is the deal America wants to give, and do you wonder why the kids are looking for a new political structure?" You know. No, you're right! Are you surprised?! Well... So I'm not gonna put it all off on the young people and the people that's looking for different- now I'll say they're short sighted because you know uh... But there are but um I am seeing very hopeful

3:13:04 Very hopeful moves towards other exits than the then a socialist system I see what about no worker. What about the guy that just wants to get up, but that's gonna work 40 hours a week But I'm talking about young young people who have come out of college with in the papers worthless And they are starting to build their own world. They're starting to build their own systems Bitcoin is a part of that I think that's a different crowd though. I'm talking about the guy that gets up and just wants to go and be a contributor for 40 hours a week, and have the house... Man it's like you said Steve Bannon small house in not a nice neighborhood. It wasn't suburbs! You know? I mean it was working class right well what do those guys got? What are those guys got? That is the manufacturing that

3:13:59 That has to be brought back. I would not know what it is otherwise, there's farming... No that's what i'm telling you! That's why i'm saying to America You're playing with fire right now for sure because once those people stop believing in the dream and they start communicating that dream And like I said The keeper of the dream is black america I'm just gonna give it to you straight Because we bought in is you know go to school make yourself viable, you know where your plumber electrician You know I mean that the workers. I Mean like I said, um dabbling in entrepreneurial things right now But I can tell you What the sentiment of the worker is yeah messed up?

3:14:51 And when you lose them, you lose your country. So if that's the way I know I drugged that out but this said all that is set this next clip up and this is an angry black man quote angry because he seen his father destroyed and he ended up becoming a communist and even apply to clip First you tell us that it is manly to keep your word. Alright? If you are a man, you keep your word and now all of the black people in this country are demanding and even the black people in the whole world are demanding is that YOU KEEP YOUR WORD!

3:15:31 You told us we were free, well then show us that we're free. You told us that there is justice and equality for all in this country? Well then stick to your word! And let us see the justice and equality for all or else admit to us you are not a man, you are a worm, you are afraid of us, you are afraid to give us equal stand. You're afraid if you give us equal ground that we will match you and override you If that's what you're afraid of, then tell us just what you're afraid of. But don't keep hiding it from us and holding this up to us and every time we ask you for something, you give us a little bit of something and it's all tokenism! We don't want tokenism! And there are most black men in this world who don't want charity... ...and yet still every time we ask you for something, you give us a little piece, a little piece You're playing games with us! We're not children! We're big man

3:16:27 I have to put up with all kinds of stuff. He was a big man, he raised the family! He went down south and had to go around to the back door with his wife! We're not asking for anything we're not asking for any favors All we want is what's ours And that's the sentiment Now... We bought into this country and when i say we I'm speaking for The Worker now Not The Worker in the communist aspect but the guys that drive the trucks and you know those guys. And it's getting to the point now where, You can't even have a wife! You don't have enough money to have a wife and family anymore That's not what you want for our country No no it's not unique to America right now but some of our some other problems we're dealing with are

3:17:29 Or the, actually the opportunities we have. I think it's a lot worse than other countries A lot worse And that is what i was saying like We thought if we do the right thing It would be as a contract You know, and like you said in the last guy's say if it's not the deal no more just tell us it's not the deal. Right but that's...you're not alone in the boat obviously. Yeah so all people are what January 6th? There you go! That that's what you're seeing

3:18:06 That deal has been broken. I can empathize with them because, I'm just...I only speak from my perspective It goes beyond empathy it's what out there is incredible There is a lot going on. It's a tinderbox Instead of talking about who incited it and why were these people so incitable? That's the question that not being asked or discussed Yeah, and then you get brought in if you do have a job. You're trying to maintain your job and it starts with the white men first I mean this In this aspect of are your white man? Your white man, and then is just gonna spread to all you're a man You're a man or your heterosexual man. I see where this is going Yep The re-education is coming but when a culture doesn't work for people anymore

3:18:59 It dissolves and this is what Dr. Amos Wilson says in this next clip, Clip 37 Looking at the question What is culture? Horton and Hunt said from their life experiences a group develops a set of rules and procedures for meeting their needs The set of rules and procedures together with a supporting set of ideas and values is called a culture. To a great extent, you see, a culture involves a set of rules and a procedure for meeting needs. And this is the thing we have to keep in mind. You don't have a culture just to have a culture. And you don't claim a culture just because it's a culture or just because it's African

3:19:49 The ultimate thing that culture must do is solve problems. That's why people evolve a culture, that's why culture comes into existence as a way of what? Solving problems and meeting needs. That's why at a certain point when a culture no longer meets the needs of a people solves the problem confronting a people that culture must be transformed mm-hmm and what will it be transformed into socialism communism some other is because you're looking at well capitalism didn't work where do you want me to be insane

3:20:38 I mean that's the thing about keep trying the same thing and get different results. So the kids is like, dad don't know look at dad he's out of work you know i mean like he can't even provide for us and you think imma buy into capitalism? Not saying for me! Because like I said I see a bigger picture of Marxism than Capitalism. No it's even worse than that what I get from uh from the zoomers Yeah, you may be well off but look at us. It sucks for us so that's your fault so it has to change. That's what it is. Yep! That's exactly what it is and they pit the two against each other. It's generational war. Very easy to do. But we're gonna get to that a later date but while were talking about the gender war

3:21:29 Because what you have to do is pit the man against a woman and right now there's this war going on And I've been reporting on this gender war for a while now Especially, I can only speak in the black community that black women supposedly don't think black men have qualities to be Husbands and black me. I don't think Black women have the quality to be wives and it ends up in what? You know, that's not helpful for our continuing on the lineage. But it is so... Dr. Vati Bachum he's going to speak on cultural Marxism and he's a pastor by the way. Enter the cultural Marxists with a couple of goals number one to explain why

3:22:28 The revolution didn't occur as Marx thought it would. Marx died in 1888 by the way, so now we get into the late 1800s to early 1900's We get into World War I and there are a couple of players that you need to know if your going to understand cultural marxism One is a guy named Antonio Gramsci Gramsci was an Italian Marxist Another one is not individual but group individuals known as the Frankfurt School. Two ideas, one Gramsci's idea of cultural hegemony listen to the way one sociologist puts it cultural hegemony refers to domination or rule maintained through ideological our cultural means

3:23:27 It is usually achieved through social institutions which allow those in power to strongly influence the values, norms ideas expectations worldview and behavior of the rest of society. Cultural hegemony that's the power. Yeah The Frankfurt School we talked about that didn't we? And who holds the power in today's society? The women! Yep because they can decide, yeah I don't want you here anymore. I don't wanna be with you anymore and you have these television shows and when I say television show the morning shows pumping all these crazy ideas that's counter... And when I say crazy I mean this counter to what we've done for a thousand years as men and women in our relationship with each other is this new school of thinking

3:24:31 And the result of it is that it's hitting mainstream and it's causing strife between the male and female. It's not black anymore, and I have this couple clips of feminists talking to men's rights groups And we just run through these next two clips and you can chime in how you want to chime in. But I just wanna let you know what's happening on the ground right now. What do you need a whole men's rights activism movement for? Like, I'm sincerely confused Well, like, I will advocate for positive masculinity men should represent and healthy outlets for men, like I still think the Boy Scouts should be exclusively the Boy Scouts. For example one of those things where i would like to think that we could get some common ground is when it comes to the clear biases that are in the court system especially in the marriage and family court system

3:25:23 And right there is what I would advocate for when it comes to men's rights. The things that stand valid, like that I'm hearing from y'all that are like valid to me come from a place of like...I am treated unfairly by the system versus a lot of the things women are saying is also America and the system as well but a lot of it is harmed from men I think some of the things that you guys are touching on such as the court system and gender roles are a subject of patriarchy. And that's part of what women are trying to dismantle is those traditional gender roles... Are there any feminist organizations that have done anything, for example, to challenge bias against men and fathers in the family court system? Yes absolutely Can you please give me like a list of feminist advocacy organizations that have engaged in meaningful advocacy to address those issues because they're actually none

3:26:10 Okay, I know that you came with your little research or whatever. I didn't come with a list of like feminist organizations but i know actively that there are women's organizations that are trying to dismantle those inequalities Just one name just one again I didn't come with the list my dude There are no such organization Well I mean how is she communicating to him? My dude Well, that's when you throw facts out the window. It's like you have to kowtow to my feelings. Facts don't mean anything at all. Your scientific method and your linear... Racist. No no no! You're not addressing my feelings which to me my feelings trump your facts

3:27:01 And what this does is it makes communication impossible between the two sexes. This is what we learned with The New York Times, with the veteran reporter who had to resign was because of his use of the n-word and even though he was doing it in a...in the context of journalism or written word The statement literally was that it doesn't matter what your intent was, it is how it made the recipient feel. Which is just the end! That's the end station. The whole family court system is based off of feelings. Yep It's just the end of the system Do you not realize right now

3:27:45 your wife or my wife could pick up the phone and like, you know what? No I do actually. You're gassy! Get him out of here. Yep that's right it's true So just think of living under those conditions Yeah And now what the young men are saying well you know what screw marriage yep i'm out if that's the condition screw it yeah and if your goal is depopulation which it is then that's...you're on the way You're headed down the right road and that's what this list is all about. It's really about depopulation. That's always what they want at the end, whether it's climate change or anything...it's always less people Yeah! What they call the useless eaters. Yeah, what Prince Charles calls the useless eaters to be specific. Yeah that's what they look at its just like oh what do you contribute to society? I mean this is second clip of this men's rights versus feminism

3:28:50 I think there has been significant progress over the last decade or so, especially in the legal field. But I think there are still significant disparities that need to be addressed such as poor health conditions bias against men in the criminal justice system bias against men and family courts and bias against man in the educational system especially in colleges Men should be allies It strikes me like the way you phrase this, you almost want men to say certain things that you want them to say as opposed to maybe actually listening what they're saying. What certain things would I want him to say? Just kind of like a man being allies, talking with other men etc., I'm completely okay with that

3:29:38 but I'm not going to repeat feminist talking points to other men. We all believe different things, we may be under the label of Men's Rights Activists but for example i am probably the most traditionalist person here and I think that we should be allies But maybe us being allies in a patriarchy wouldn't be so bad You know us going back to the past wouldn't be so bad It would probably be a lot happier if we were you know getting married and staying married and having kids And I'm not going in church, and all that The heads were exploding after that of course So this is where we get to Here we go alright buckled in yes, so everybody's crying for justice right oh

3:30:21 Justice, we want justice. You know everything is you know it's not just uh uh you know justice and the court is held up by justice yes well justice doesn't mean to some people what you think it means you're thinking of fair trial and was the 14th amendment I think this 14 um you know your right to a fair trial and those things no no no no no no dang the justice that the people at the top are talking about What justice really means. Welcome to Chasing Gods, where we find meaning with symbols and myths To judge with justice is believed to be one of the top virtues by philosophers writers and artists of the ancient world From Ancient Egypt to Ancient Greece and Rome Justice has been personified By a goddess who not only belongs to the highest ranks of gods But whose symbolism is even sought by them You could imagine what justice must have meant to men

3:31:18 This goddess I'm talking about is Lady Justice. You've probably seen her but may not have paid too much attention She could be a statue, an emblem or figurine to represent justice in the legal system worldwide She holds a scale, a sword and at times she wears a blindfold Yes, Lady Justice The Mother Goddess! Mm-hmm Aka the Mother Goddess When they say no justice, no peace. That's what they're talking about No woman in charge? Yep! No peace And guess what everybody got been all out of shape when you had the Balfour Met put out to front these courthouse state houses But you got the mother goddess right in every courthouse across the world Yeah yeah Not an America not only in America All over the world

3:32:11 So now we got to go back to the carjaming and we might need a trigger warner for this cousin passage, you know Two in one show mo that's pretty crazy What the book says yeah many days many that have run out of their wits for women and become servants for their sake. Many also have hope. I've had counsel with men who knew they was being used, and told me they was being used, and told me they didn't even care! Amen. They helped themselves That's right By this also It is sad To know you're being use

3:33:07 You don't I mean you won't tie into her. That's right Especially when she tell you straight up, yeah, I'm using amen And you don't care my lord why should she care? That's right Listen now in first estrus chapter 4 and verse 22 isn't that all this scripture all this scripture That's right. This is the condition. That's right. Oh By this also ye must know. Some women go around using men because their mama did it, and they had a good teacher That's right some women go around using them because they're influenced by their friends So when they go out around use of mimic us an influence by nobody They just want to do it And then some of em do it cause that atmosphere came out of it Their sister do it The other sister do it The other sister do it The other sister do it Their mama do it

3:34:01 The aunt do it, the grandmama do it. The great-grandma do it. The great-great-great grandma do it. It's a family affair and the family tradition. That's right We're doomed! Am I right? Doomed I tell ya No but this these problems that manifest itself in the world like in flesh This is this is some high-level spiritual stuff that's going on and that's why you heard black lives matter doing what they did Like I said, we know justice no peace They talk about just because why would you believe in a court system that you said it? Uh, he was sitting on fire. Yeah objectified you and Controlled you What

3:34:51 No, no. That's not the just they're talking about and this goes all the way back to Adam and his first wife Not you this goes back to Adam is first wife Are you aware of Adam in his first wife Adam? Adam and his first wife Yes You know whose first wife was I guess not you would think Eve right that's what be the logical answer but apparently not 45 So Lilith is one of the most popular mythological women of the last couple hundred years. We've seen her as a vampire, demoness, seductress and even Satan's concubine but in recent years Lilith has taken on a new role She has become The Dark Feminist

3:35:35 the embodied, powerful liberated unapologetic women that we have come to revere. Truly Lilith is a complicated layered figure The most popular story of Lilith comes from a medieval rabbinical text called the Alphabet of Ben Sarra In this story, Lilith is the first wife of Adam born at the same time and of the same earth. But very quickly they realize this match is not meant to be the first thing on Adam's mind is to lay with Lilith

3:36:12 Very literally. And he insists that he be the one on top, but Lilith will not have it and she insists that if they do the deed she will not lie below because she will not be subordinate to him She will not be of lesser status Lilith says we are equal to each other in as much as were both created from the earth Is this where Lilith Fair comes from? Exactly where it comes from. This is some Beyonce level stuff too, by the way. This whole vibe... Of course! Beyonce is a representation of the Mother Goddess All the pop stars are representations of the Mother Goddess Aka Lady Justice aka... Yes. ISIS from Egypt. Oh boy Wow okay

3:37:04 So we've got the temples, we've got the history museum, black history museum. African-American History Museum upside down Egyptian thing Right We've got Lilith Got Michelle Obama over Barack Obama Yep Wow In a role that she plays This is now how do you come there's gotta be some... we need some hardcore magic of our own to fight back Lodging your reason that's why they wanted this Natalie, right? What is there a man was there man is controlled by his emotions Is like a boat in this and an erasing see or something like that I think the statement is something similar to that but basically when you control my emotions a man he's all over the place Yeah, yeah. And to be honest with you women don't like that When a man is uncertain No

3:38:05 Wow. Well, this is why they want us that's why they won't destroy the masculine principle That's the whole point well now we're gonna this is luckily men of all Cultures and colors can join hands in this yeah And it's not a religious thing what I'm saying is because then Because when you operate logic and reason then you can understand that outcomes or what happened? It's like okay I expected this to happen, the scientific method. No that happened now let me repeat." You know and then you have improvements that's technology all of this stuff they call technology now is science going back to where we started in it last show science is the new religion but it's not science because how are you gonna get rid a scientific method and have science so what science are you talking about? It's magical stuff

3:39:02 Nocebo effect. All of this stuff ties in together! It does, hmmm... And let's just go and wrap up with 46. You're gonna give me nightmares man. After a while of arguing Adam complains to God that the woman he made for him is malfunctioning and God tells Lilith she has to listen to her husband or else she's gonna be exiled from Eden and that would be pretty miserable. But Lilith doesn't care, in fact she flies away screeching the unknowable name of god that somehow she knows. And after a while it's kind of lonely in Eden and god tries to get Lilith back saying that you know if

3:39:41 You know, if you don't come back I'm gonna have to curse you to be a demoness who devours her own children for eternity. But well... So be it. Because to her, that fate is better than one of eternal subordination Now to the modern mind this is pretty freaking feminist-y but there's something keep in mind about this text This was not at all meant to be a feminist revision of biblical mythology It was most likely written as satire possibly even a commentary on the horribleness of women As if saying You thought he was bad

3:40:19 But though most of us have come to know her through this medieval text or this medieval story, Lilith actually has ancient roots born in Babylon and Sumeria. The story of Lilith is first seen 5,000 years ago in the Epic of Gilgamesh and even hinted at in texts before that. Originally she was a handmaid of the goddess Inanna, the great sky queen And Lilith was somebody who appeared extremely sexually independent, extremely grounded in her body and her own autonomous power. Why I just described every modern woman there? Yeah, I didn't say that! I did But what i'm saying is now you understand Now you understand and she's the consort of who? The great Ananya

3:41:12 Which is who? A representation of Lady Justice. Which, of course, what if Soros sisters... What are they operating in? Justice! No justice no peace okay that's gonna haunt me for a little bit but you know what we need? We can't say this. We need allies that are women to call out this behavior because it's a non-starter. I can't think we can say, because that's clearly part of what is necessary but there is also I think a large group of women are probably also under attack who believe or not may be more conservative often

3:42:05 Of course, I said the worst thing outside and I always joke with people. I talk to and I say the second worst thing you can be other than a black man in America is a housewife Yeah, how's all there so demeaned? They're so Look that's the hardest friggin job in the world. I'm telling you we now become 360 You talking about the kids and being at home Oh Yeah Bruh The one is running the house. Well, yeah that is a That's a real job. You talk about logistics and education in medical health care and culinary arts and science and economics by couponing Knowing what's coming in and going out? Yeah, but they demean them

3:43:01 Wow, I'm a little speechless mo because you'd I'm just like wow. I gotta think about this and and again I appreciate you because I'm always thinking What is what is all this information going to get me too at the end of the show? And that would wrap it up with the little thing really hammers at home I can't yeah And also always immediately understand the last song of the show whenever we get to this part like ah now, I know why he chose this one. Okay Mo thank you so much man. This was yet again a Fantastic journey and not as as giddy and happy at the end of this one. I'm more like holy crap I got some stuff to think about so I appreciate that too

3:43:52 If you know the plan of attack, you can counter it. This is correct That's where the positive no don't everybody out there Don't be defeated because if you know the plan of attack then is You can defeat it. You could come up with a you know, I mean and really it is just prove what you show your work That's what you need to tell people show your work What have you built? With this method for what have y'all build And, and but now from this day forward I will always be slightly triggered but in a good way because it will alert me when i hear no justice.

3:44:32 No peace. I'll know exactly what's going on and as i always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself it always comes true you are so right Mo thank you so much my friend I appreciate Adam see you next time You got it, we'l be talking to yall real soon remember to support us at mofax.com and uh...we'll see ya next time for MofaX with Adam Curry Here she comes, you better watch your step She's gonna break your heart in two It's true, it's not hard to realize Just look into her false colored eyes

3:45:28 She'll build you up just to put you there. What a man, everybody knows she's a comfy girl. She's a comfy girl. Just a little bit of me. She's a comfy girl. Either way she's tough. Either way she's tough. Everybody knows