30: School of Thought

00:01 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for March 21st 2020. This is episode number 30 under lockdown pandemic 2020 Hey, mo how you doing? I'm doing pretty good out of my much so I'm good You know it's it's kind of weird this all started about a week ago and the last Mo facts I was number 29 and You know for me much Much hasn't changed because I kind of live my life at home anyway, so it's not that different for me going out once a day to get something. How about you though? You got the kids at home what's going on how is it in the fax household

00:44 Well, the white privilege has been bestowed upon me. I'm working completely from home now! Yes you're still on the white team? No you weren't on the white team were you in the yellow team? No i wasn't...I've been upgraded now Oh after a little bit of complaining on this show all of a sudden we see results huh Yes, here we are. Yeah and if you don't mind me asking just how the kids are they going stir crazy or they occupied where they doing? They're doing pretty good oh we're letting them out of house, going for walks on a leash or in the yard yeah we're not gonna shut her up we're not gonna shutter him in

01:26 We are kind of careful around playgrounds. We're not taking them to the playground But I mean being outside running around doing the ball around it Are they bored with social media and their phones yet? Is this I've been seeing some of that and I'm quite delighted by it actually they are um, we're down to plant back to playing board games uno Sorry those kinds of things isn't that interesting exactly the same two of our girls are in one Christina's in Holland and Ellen's in in Chicago But Elyse is in Austin and she comes over, we play Scrabble. And of course she's a little bit older so she's bringing over margaritas it's yeah it's been an interesting family time I think this is in a weird way as helping because you have to lean on your family at this time So positive that may come out the situation

02:17 Yeah, yeah I'm not too hopeful of that but we'll see if something positive comes out of it. Anyway so we're doing a regular MoFax on scheduled time our kind of new scheduled time on Saturdays and I will admit your call came in and actually saw you called earlier dude I was so...you know I'm watching the The coronavirus updates the briefings, the teams, the president every single day. I'm taking notes and doing research and honestly I didn't know what day it was! It could have been Saturday could have been Tuesday... I completely-I didn't even connect it when you called like hey oh crap now I know why your calling so I do apologize for that but that's how weird it can get. No worries

03:03 I've had that same experience during this week. Oh, yeah? Because my work routine is...I actually miss it! I get up in the morning ironing clothes and you know that whole routine now when you're working from home You just kind of like roll out of bed brush your teeth and light up the first joint! And there's the first wake-and-bake okay everybody Maybe you go iron your clothes and they'll have that joint So I did not even look at the clips. I am prepared for everything so i think we should unless you have something else moe, just spin the wheel

03:41 Go ahead and spin the wheel. Alright, here we go! Alright it's the Wheel of Topics find out what we're going on today is MoFax with Adam Curry It's number 30 so who knows what will do i- The topic for today is... Emergence or the spontaneous creation of sophisticated behaviors and functions from large groups of simple elements Okay? This is gonna be a while. I'll wow ride all right We'd like that from the show topic itself we think we have like 10 throwback clips in this show so we're gonna cover a lot of previous Things that were just discussed in previous shows That way on one with Show 30 So I want to catch people up if they're just now starting to tune in on some of the things we talked about and

04:35 And this the first set of clips we had is what was the motivation for this topic because I think we've witnessed some things and we even covered some things on his podcast But unknowingly, we haven't classified them correctly Okay. All right. That's where we're headed Oh, I like that because we have yet We've looked at a lot of different topics a lot of different similarities of things and individual elements And so now we're gonna classify him Yeah, well it boils down to the reemergence. So I mean to the emergence so yes It's weird you had to follow me here. You're speaking in riddles Moe Yes Just follow along and at the end of this show it all makes sense. Okay? All right. Alright, I'm ready to go alright, so let's just hop into Karen Hunter one

05:28 Don't think and I've said this before and I got a little heat for but I don't think the the Jesse Jackson Endorsement does a whole hell of a lot for Bernie Sanders, right? I think that younger younger black voters who are interested in Bernie Sanders are gonna be interested in Bernie Sanders without Without Jesse Jackson. He's gonna be very hard for you to get older black folks My people who are my parents age and a little bit younger than my parents because my parents were in their 70s to vote before anybody other than Joe Biden. Joe Biden is somebody that they know, somebody that they respect right? And for most of the people in my age category we don't have the same relationship with Jesse Jackson that other black folks have right? What are the black folks? First off who is this I like his voice he's got a great voice

06:18 This is Drew McCaskill. He is a crisis manager, senior vice president I think at Nielsen? Oh! He's a contributor at Sirius Radio and this is on the Karen Hunter show and they were having to talk about black leadership in the impact of black leadership more specifically there we're talking about Jesse Jackson Co-signing and endorsing Bernie Sanders, right? Okay. Got it got it So this conversation over this next one two three four five six clips is what's

07:00 Sent my brain on the path that it went on and it's not It is gonna be like I said a weird white rod. Okay, just follow along All right But now they're there they're bringing up Jesse Jackson And has he said that Jesse Jackson doesn't hold as much weight with younger voters or even assume me and mr McCaskill is in the same age range mm-hmm us so we didn't witness their run at 88 and Karen Hunter asked him a question what black people and I'll let him answer that question. You know older black folks who actually had relationship new other all the black folks have I think you know people who actually who people who saw Jesse Jackson run in 88 and actually win a state, who people who saw Jesse Jackson go and get them hostages and bring them hostages back? I have a recollection of that but for many people

07:56 who are younger than me, who are in their 30s and 20's a lot of what they're association with Jesse Jackson is his being on the hot mic talking about Obama. And talking about Obama, talking down to black folks. Right? And so Jesse Jackson is meaningful he has a very meaningful place in history I do not think that his endorsement moves the needle for any new black supporters for Bernie Sanders however...I just don't think it does Now i must have missed this..i dont know what i was doing but when did Jesse Jackson negotiate for hostages

08:35 I'm not sure. When he said it, it didn't register on my memory as well. Yeah, I got it here. American civil rights leader Reverend Jesse Jackson said Sunday he had prayer with the wife of Thomas... Oh this is where a contractor's abducted in Iraq 2004. That didn't register with me, I mean what I know Jesse Jackson was for being the heir apparent to Martin Luther King Right right that's that's what we're known for but if you listen to this conversation closely They're explaining how he's become a dinosaur right? He has no more use

09:17 This is the point that drew is making and I think Karen is agreeing with him So far because he doesn't hold any weight And he actually ruined himself with that whole Obama if people are not familiar When he got caught in a hot mic at Fox saying, oh what? I want to cut his nuts off referring to Obama Well, yeah. Yeah, I have a theory of what how that would where they came for me Where that came from is Obama was able to circumvent the civil rights movement power structure. Yeah, to get elected absolutely he went right around it He went right around it and he's not tied into there so I think that infuriated Jesse Jackson but by him saying that he really put an end to his career And if you notice That was the emergence of Al Sharpton

10:14 Yes, yes. So that was the transition of power there but that's a tangent I'm not trying to go on right now but just let people know framing this conversation they have But it gets more interesting as they continue on And again people We should have these discussions, it's not personal. I have... you know it's an interesting period to be in where you just laid out some of Jesse Jackson's history and I want to be respectful because the man did live a life Yeah of service, but there is a complicated history. It's good You know and for me you know I come into it with the spending the day with Martin Luther King's blood on him doing Doing media shortly after I didn't like that. I wasn't around for it per se I don't remember being a conscious human being but you know I've studied in a red And I feel like in many ways He's part of the problem of the last 50 years in the black community of so-called black leadership

11:16 somehow personally benefiting and becoming extremely wealthy while not a whole lot has happened in neighborhoods throughout this country. That's the problem when you're like Jesse Jackson, you're 78 and been around long enough You know people figured out Obama after four or five years Yeah They had plenty of time to say hey wait a minute What kind of game is this Jesse Jackson running? And what we at one point Will that we need to put on a timeline is for this whole show is 2007. That's when the smartphone came about when the smart phone came about information just went spread like wildfire and people became more educated more informed on the issue that she brought up because

12:08 I brought this up on a previous show and a lot of people didn't know about Jesse Jackson having Martin Luther King's blood on his shirt and doing press conferences. And that's how he kind of hijacked the whole, uh... The Martin Luther King movement after his death That was not well known and it's weird that she says, I don't know if i say weird or lie. Stop that but It is just strange that she says We have to give him respect But then you accuse him of doing something as low as that And being basically a paid shill Okay, so she's spitting the truth first of all. But I think it's time Moe It's just look you're you're just getting old You know and I've been around for a bit longer and this goes away if you ask

12:55 Lot of people really don't know much more even about MLK. They really don't mm-hmm I mean that we've learned a lot from From you and on this show, but there's so many things I think people just like I am whatever I'm just doubtful or skeptic of the of the education level Because because it is so long ago at this point But if its new news if you never knew it And I think you gotta follow me here because this is what started this whole separation. It ruined the whole Boolay power structure there, they've been rendering null and void and I think that's why she's handling him with kid gloves because

13:43 She could be put in that box later on. Oh, yes of course so it's like well We got a easily legend eat service and no but he did some lowdown dirty things It's like those either call him out yeah Well you do I agree with you there she was clearly doing one of these You know it's almost like I hate Trump, but i like some of the things he's doing. You know it's like one of those It's like well you know the guys have paid shill But we can't forget that yeah He was there with Jesse when he had his blood on a shirt So it's some kind of odd respect that people do and maybe it's also worried about cancel culture That's most of our problems come from people just being too chicken shit Just to say what they actually feel or mean

14:31 And I'm sure her demographics is made up of those older black people that still have respect for Jessie Jackson. She's on Sirius XM, so I don't know. I mean, Sirius XM's audience is a pretty big black box. It could be no one listening to this but you! But she has to save herself. Well, of course she does! She has to save herself because it's like I don't want to you know... It's a job! She's got a gig it's a good gig you gotta be careful oh yeah the power structure will come down of course absolutely so you probably won't hear saying anything negative about China either no okay

15:08 But well you know, because she's the one that last show. She was the one we don't need to call it the Chinese flu or exactly I was hurt so Thank You case in point of course he's gonna be very careful That's the wokeness that's killing everybody now Of course you don't have their problem here since were value for value but we'll talk about that later Correct. I think we stopped at three so we could pick up before and i'ma say the same about Farrakhan Y'all can at me if you want to because I really feel like in many ways It's been a whole lot of charismatic black leadership without a whole lot of results and receipts Yeah, and we need to have that conversation too because as we move forward

15:46 I say we do away with charismatic black leadership. And, I say the Black Agenda which we mapped out here last Wednesday and started having a conversation about should be delivered by a council of people we never see I see what you're saying because ultimately from corporate America who literally writes checks to check a box to say, I've supported black people. Two organizations where that money...I don't know where it goes right? Because I haven't seen neighborhoods built I haven't seen tech programs built. I have not seen education programs Haven't seen the results of the checks that are delivered to these organizations, which I know for a fact corporate America They're doing that yeah, I've written some of those literally giving checks to organizations under the guise of black leadership

16:34 Wow, she's got quite the... that's good. I'm like yeah of course what do you expect? It's a lot in that clip though we gotta unpack one Farrakhan she said oh call out Farrakhan to another dinosaur yep What this is I'm gonna show you how real I am by throwing the dinosaurs under the bus And making a clear line of demarcation. It's Moe it's mo facts Jurassic Park edition what we're talking, right? So they are rolling those You know the older heads under the bus but it's funny that Recently she just had our sharp them out sharpen on her shit show and she didn't press him like that

17:18 Well, as you point out the power is transferred. Yeah and but he has the same business model as Jesse Jackson yeah but it's also a corporate... But he's on MSNBC He's part of the structure! He's part of the machine That is correct so this is when people like me and my age are aware Hear this we smelled the BS. This is like, hold on you cut honey You have sharp different on your show But you call out Jesse and Farrakhan, you know corporations are writing checks to these people And if you heard listen closely Drew even said yeah, I wrote some of those checks. Yeah

18:01 So they understand the whole power structure, how it works. But now all of a sudden you have a conscience that you want to call it out and then the third thing she brought up is all this black agenda she suddenly has. What? When was this at 20 years ago or... I gotta ask you Moe because yeah listen to this you listened to Karen Hunter a lot Is this very popular do a lot of people listen to Karen Hunter show that you know? I mean is there a lot of action around this show I'm not sure cuz like it can't when you search for clips then algo gets, you know, it gets whatever Yeah, yeah. It starts throwing it there and it's not got like I'm targeting her but it's a very interesting It's a good example of what's happening that in She's walking a line and I said this before her is Stephen a Smith are Very close with each other

19:00 I found out on another show. I had that she had him on his show her had him on her show And they I mean basically, she groomed him at the newsroom They worked at and that kind of thing What i'm saying about that is She walks that line in the same way he does i'm a black man But i'm gonna protect the corporation i work for I'm not gonna step out of line that kind of thing right. That's 99 point nine nine percent of all people in Mainstream media, this is true but don't make yourself seem like you're different Then these other charismatic leaders wait wait wait mo You're telling me that people in the mainstream are full of crap Oh No They're so full of crap But the difference is

19:54 12 years ago she could have got away with this but oh yeah, it doesn't work anymore Not not and that was mo facts around. It doesn't and that's and that's where we're headed is She doesn't realize she's a dinosaur. She's just a younger dinosaur Right now unless she's making the mistake that because she's in In as the fancy studio built with dot-com money on a series XM, she thinks she has some power Whereas of course we know that the model everything about her Shows that she doesn't because she can't she can't say anything. She wants she has to say this She has to so keep it going, but that's the role That's the role does she? Let's throw the dinosaur I let's throw the older black leaders under the bus Let's throw out the keywords black agenda You know and all seem hip

20:51 So, but what was interesting here is she advocates for a council and not for black leaders anymore. No longer recognizable leaders but like an unseen count- like an unseen hand of people behind the scenes who call all the good shots Yes, that mostly made up probably academia. You know crats we call them techno crash yes So that's the new that's the new model like oh you know the talking heads are bad? You know the Al Sharpton's in the Jesse Jackson's and though all the Farrakhan's are bad What we need is people behind-the-scenes doing doing the work no That kind of thing since when has that ever worked since never mm-hmm what but

21:41 I always take the temperature by going to the comments. I look at the thumbs down count and people are not buying it, they're not buying... We know that either you're bullet or your not! There's different flavors of bullets but thats the litmus test when it comes to hard questions telling people not to vote thats one of the tests what do you stand? A corporate owned asset Has to hold the party line. Yeah, but no matter what the party is they have to hold a party line where oh you know vote down ballot or We need to scrutinize closely No one will say this has corporate backing I'm not voting right these are this is litmus test that we can put to them and

22:30 and unlike the hardcore Bernie people who now I think see the writing on the wall, they're saying oh we're not voting. We're not voting. We're just not going to vote. We're done and i don't think it's the hardcore black Bernie voters. Curry, I would tell you to put your goggles on but you're right on time! That that's my point When black people were saying it, or so-called black people quote unquote black people were saying this what maybe a year ago if you don't meet our demands we're gonna walk. If you don't put up candidate up we're going to walk

23:06 The whole Democratic Party, liberal to blue dog was saying you can't do that. You have to vote your ancestors died so you could vote but now all of a sudden their candidate and it's weird because they have the Demexit I think it is called? That was part of this show as well and I just didn't add any clips to support it but that Now you now you get it You know the establishment has boxed you out, but they want your vote still yeah of course Welcome to the club Shit man even Tulsi is endorsed Joe Biden can't believe that that's this if that was really disappointing I

23:57 When you're tied to establishment money, and this goes to show why value for value is so important. Because we have the freedom to not only call out people that are safe to be called out but those that seem untouchable We can go after them too And it's not just a vendetta But its like...we're going to have one standard here So we could continue on with that standard is poverty mo this poverty and podcasting We have we hold ourselves to a high standard. Okay, we'll get through that all later Alright good let's look now. What do we have next here? Rolling it's five now so today can go back and feel corporately responsible. We've given millions of dollars to black people Yeah

24:47 But black people aren't getting the money. The black leaders are yeah, and I can tell you as somebody who used to write those checks is that Most corporations look at those dollars that they spend You know how old old black folks talk about the tide like dad listen God said I need to give this did give this tenth and whatever the pastor do with that money is on him I did what god said? I'm supposed to do now a pastor can set that money on fire if he wants to but I did what I'm supposed to Do corporations are like all black folks that tithe that what I'm going to write this check to insert the blank organization that we all know, we've all been to the breakfasts and banquets and lunches and galas.

25:27 We gonna write that check now what they do with that money because they are black. They know black people They know the black community there in their end there in the arena Our job is not to be in the arena our job is to support The people who are in the arena, and that's the best thing we can do But we're gonna give them this money and now what they do with it after then don't come to us and say we're racist Because we gave a check and when somebody come and when somebody internally says we're racists we want you to defend us So while he was talking I looked up some of his previous employers and the big one that he worked with, Unilever is one. But he got started Weber Shanwick and Weber Shanwick is a public relations company so when he says I wrote those checks that's where he was writing them He was writing checks as a PR company on behalf of firms because that's what those guys do they consult on who you should

26:25 support, how you communicate your support. Can we lay out how that chain of events work? Because I think we may be making some assumptions here that people understand how that works so say a CEO goes on television and maybe a blackface picture pops up from their college years Well that's crisis management. Yeah, so if that... I mean he is a crisis manager as well! So okay exactly

27:01 There's two ways it can happen. It would be planned and unplanned Yes, well yeah correct it would be better a better example is something happens with the corporation so you know let's say MasterCard puts Harriet Tubman on MasterCard doing a Wakanda salute this is a good example So outrage ensues Now big corporations often have their own, well they all they have their own communications department. When it comes to something like that you need to really tamp that down quickly because you got shareholders publicly listed or you know shaming cancel culture so they'll call up its typically Hill and Knowlton that's a really famous one but Weber Shandwick does it as well

27:50 And they will give you a strategy and in the case of race in the United States often, now it works two ways. I personally believe you can call Al Sharpton and say hey could you please come and demonstrate outside my office so we can do a speech together? We'll resolve this by promising not to do anything bad and we'll give you $1 million for your action network Now, it may be that people like Al Sharpton will smell the money and go there on their own accord. But I think at this point you can schedule him to come and do a little script and give him some money and he goes through the action network and everything's jouncey jolly! And you can put out a great press release...and it does work!

28:41 And the act is important because he just can't come in like, oh yeah everything's okay. He has to put up the... No the demonstration and then the bullhorn you gotta do the whole thing. You gotta go through the whole rigmarole Yes, and one of these cases that we've seen I think we discussed in the show is Jay-Z in the NFL The NFL gotten a pickle. Yep They said who can we get to come in get a consultant? Yeah, and they was like you know what oh What's dark fun black fellow that we see right girl popular Get jay-z on the phone and Jaysus like what Oh

29:21 Eight figures, okay. Yep write him to check he comes in they put the arm around He answers himself questions and it failed doesn't have to say anything. He doesn't have to deal as he doesn't have to even plan anything No, he just comes in and you know turn the charisma on but I just want people understand how this works And it's not by happenstance It's a strategy yes, and it's moving pieces but this strategy is antiquated It no longer works because people know what the play is. It's like, oh okay, Sharpner shows up, Sharpners outrage, they're all we're going to take them to the wall. They go in the back room. We come out

30:04 They're very sorry. We set them straight, you know they're gonna be more culturally sensitive and then they throw no a couple million dollars into a program buying poor kids laptops in the inner city And I will say I think I think Sharpton needs to be looking over his shoulder too Yeah, yeah I think we need a new sharpen this new someone new has to stand up in this game pretty soon in the next five years Well, we talked about that and that's what D. Ray McKesson and um uh Talcum X uh what was his name? Um Talcum X who what yeah Sean King oh oh yeah of course Yeah yeah yep it's very similar yes because the boots on the ground now is the

30:51 Outrage and council culture online right I guess that's the new play yeah But so we no longer can use the the reverend credentials with the new with a new guard So, I'm not quite sure what what they're using as their credentials. It's activists activists Activist is the new Rev gotcha act as rev got it got it got it totally on yep though They bring them in but This is going somewhere. But now we just see the inner workings of how and she knows this, but when they like I said when they have these events happen in these

31:30 characters show up, she's never called them out before. She never said oh look you know they're rolling out their talking heads no she plays along as well but I guess we can go again to clip six If a company is racist and that said company gave millions of dollars to the people who are supposed to hold those companies accountable Are they more or less likely to hold those companies accountable? I'm just put it out there. You know, y'all do with it as you may Maybe this is a good bump maybe It's not There's a story circulating about Joe Biden's What's being whispered in back rooms Regarding what his team will look like and I bring this up because Trump is a great example of what a team should not Look like yeah Great example there's a lot circulating about Joe Biden's mental health Let me just go on record. I don't care if he has one brain cell left

32:25 I don't care. There you go, that's a real American view of who you're voting for ladies and gentlemen beautiful. Mirka right there nice well the very thing she just criticized these leaders for doing She turns around it does it at the end of the clip isn't that great no matter what he could have one brain cell one? I don't care. I don't care I'm gonna vote for who The people that put the battery in my back want me to to push Yes, and that's this is where we got now. We're now we're here a lot of people post 2007

33:11 The invention of the smartphone gave people access to a large amount of information. People weren't walking around with laptops or desktops, saying hey come over here and let me show you this. But now with links social media, you can share these things. The information has been there for almost 13 years now These people are rendering null and void And where this takes us is we've seen two things happen. They've been labeled with hashtags, but they are real movements and we're gonna get into how they were hijacked and I'm just gonna do a little foreshadowing of the two events One The creation of Ados Two The term Blexit Those two things are real events

34:10 But they were hijacked by AstroTurf and it kind of made them seem like not real things. Like, they could be explained away. Exactly what happened to the Tea Party in 2008? Correct! There was a real tea party that actually started by Ron Paul and it got hijacked before you knew it was Steve Bannon. It's just like... What?! That went fast yeah these things happen Yes, but they have been mislabeled or misunderstood because people don't understand the groundswell that gave them the fuel to become Real movements in the first place real movements. Yes and but then they became fake movements by how the media covered him Yeah Russian box their movement is still there Okay You could call it another name if you want to with the moment is there now this is where we get into some background clips

35:07 Just because we want to define certain things. So when we on today's show, if it's your first time listening you may be jarred by the term white supremacy so what we want to do here is this is from show 12 Nellie Fuller defined what white supremacy is Well, we are under a system of white supremacy. That's the most powerful government that the world has ever seen and that's the title of it by the way It doesn't go by any other title even though We sometimes call it by other titles but the accurate title for the government that we're under is in capital letters The System Of White Supremacy Worldwide! There's just one world government

35:52 And that's the only government in town, the only government on the planet that really counts. That is worthy of having a title of government." Okay I'm onboard with this so this is where we uh...I want to lay out something and I want people think about it and you two Adam and please push back if you think this is crazy oh I will! I think people are experiencing what black people experience with racism with the coronavirus Yes, and I thank you for saying that. My sister just left me a voice message... half of it's in Dutch so I can't play won't make any sense she left me a voice message she said she's in Italy and she's in Florence and she's been keeping the updated on what's going on and she'll love this! So she went to the supermarket she knows the right time now 430 in the afternoon its restocked but

36:50 Everybody, almost everybody in the store had a face mask on. And my sister she's like I don't have you know I don't have a face mask on and people were giving her stink eye looking around the corner at her You know just to whore and she said quite literally it felt like i was being targeted Like it was a racist thing Well that sucks! Hey Mo That really sucks man So let me draw the analogy and flesh it out here. Coronavirus, racism there are two things you can't see you don't even know if your going to encounter it or not

37:33 The numbers aren't really scary when you look at the numbers, but if it's inside your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're scared to go places You're scared interact with people because you like oh they might be racist I might as counter a racist, you know have a racist encounter so Oh A segment of black people are really scared to move around and And I want people to really put yourself in their shoes because this is how they feel. Like you said, when she walked into the store and her natural state it's like no! You must obey and it's the agenda what you're experiencing now

38:21 where you have to have a piece of paper to walk around? That's stop and frisk! That's Aus Weisbieter. Yeah, that...you're right. Oh shit I'll write that down. That is stop and frisk. You say yeah wow so this is a actually coronavirus should be a great learning moment for the nation. I want people to empathize now when we because We can say by the numbers, oh well it's not a real threat. The flu and this is another analogy when you say okay cops kill black people the rebuttal to that is well black people kill black people Black on Black crime right? Parallel to that is Corona's killing people Well the flu kills 1000 more people You've made your very good point And I think

39:16 Of course we can go on and make these comparisons over and over again, but when I heard my sister's message and I think when I just said it... For a fleeting moment. I'm like oh! I know exactly how that felt you know? You know I think we all can understand that kind of feeling but when it actually hits you And I felt it by um.. because of my sister so I felt that moment That's a pretty special thing to experience as I said this sucks So I just lay that out there as a side. Well, you better be wearing the mask then for sure! You don't want to get double racism when you go outside. Double teamed... Right so I say these things just so when you hear the rest of this show you can empathize with them now when i put my white supremacist hat on which is pointed um

40:14 America is often compared to Rome, an empire. Correct? Sure we have yeah yes So to maintain a empire you had to have a strategy Let's listen to barbarians rise rising rise and fall of the Empire Rome conquered what we called at the time the known world And Rome power grew based on fear When Rome conquered its enemy, it didn't just lead them through their own devices. It moved in. It set up systems. There were points of inclusion there are points of suppression and ultimately there's a system that really worked for Rome to remain in power. Rome wants a number of things from the territories it conquers. It wants wealth. It wants glory and it wants human capital. It wants slaves. Yeah weaponizing fear

41:10 weaponizing fear also they said They couldn't leave their people to their own devices. So they set up systems of inclusion That would be the parallel to that would be the bullet, you know if you if you Will protect the kingdom and the Empire will find a spot for you They suppress others so if we say Rome as an empire and they operate in this way, why wouldn't we say the American Empire will operate in this way? Or any empire for that matter. Yeah I'm just saying these are the latest two and Egypt operates the same way when you go back to read

41:54 That's a very famous story in the Bible with Moses. So did Nazi Germany? Yes! Russia? The point I'm making here is you have to have a system of dealing with people that you conquered, so it's not far-fetched to think that this system exists We have people on the inside. When we need to be bailed out, we'll get them on the phone. If we need them to calm down, we have the mechanisms in place being one MLK I told you how he was used not him personally but his image was used too with our use to

42:54 as a calming mechanism or control mechanism over black people. When they start to get rowdy or upset, now what would King do? What would Dr. King do? Calm down! So these things things exist. What do we have now? We don't have that, we don't have a person who would say what would... well Denzel Washington of course! Well still king that's why they protect his image and cultivate his image but it is just that its just image there's no more substance to it No its not at all Because he's a complex person. Yeah with very With all these people they're very complex, but they boil them down to a a tool mm-hmm so I'm just to say that So now we say we can we could all agree that the system is this and it makes sense for this system Is this if you want to maintain? Harmony in the Empire yes keep everything calm at the ranch oh

43:55 Yes, another throwback clip just to show how that conversation happens in modern times is Trick Baby from 1974. Howard. Paul, you conservatives make a mistake! You can't afford to strangle hope in people without hope people become dangerous no Howard you liberals have let them invade our society you give them jobs political job oh you missed the point it's only the smart ones we move up that makes it even worse

44:34 Oh, you know we have to move them up. If we leave a smart one in the ghetto he might develop into a leader against us but if we raise him up into white society... We neutralize it! He feels compelled to try and act like us He loses his identity and, uh...his racial anger. If he has any. He becomes alien to his brothers! They realize that he sold them out and they grow to hate him. He becomes worthless for them and safe for us. No thank you In fact in his love of the creature comforts except for its color, he's become one of us.

45:13 So this is the point we're at now that we're figuring out these leaders are tools of gentlemen like in this clip. They have a good talking game, they get the people motivated, they use control mechanisms such as MLK Jesus, The Bible those kind of things to maintain the power over the group they're trying to control. And they work at the behest of their handlers. It's not an exclusive black thing, of course. This happens with every group. Of course not!

45:55 Now we understand the system, we understand in modern times how they enact the system and in the previous set of clips. We actually seen this system being unveiled by people that operated inside the system of Mr... Yeah I wrote those checks before! Isn't that great? Well, I think he's only signaling to her and maybe a few others. I don't think anyone else caught that no one else Figures out what he's talking about. I don't think they know what he's talking about well goes over the head I would think when I say this is the word they use woke and it's that word is so poorly used now and just Has been it's also been hijacked yes been hijacked

46:42 It's being aware. So if you understand the system, it's like okay here are the players I think a lot of people more people than you would think understand this system now because of the information that has been pumped out due to this information age. The information age started what maybe 90s? I believe but access to that information didn't happen really until 2007 Correct Being readily available So now we move on to another throwback clip and this is from episode 13. And this is one of the show favorites, Kanye West. Y'all gotta think man black people are like the housekeepers of America Think about how your housekeeper you know what I'm saying? They got a certain volume they supposed to talk in the house We got a certain volume we're supposed to talk in America so what do you think if a housekeeper screaming in my house What do you think the other housekeeping gonna tell them

47:44 Be quiet. Be quiet, yay! Mm-hmm. Be quiet, yay! Don't disrupt the house. Don't disrupt America, yay! We orphans out here but don't disrupt! There is... What if some people feel like you siding with the slave master too? If we're in a house and it's the Trump household it's just like shit, you siding with With the slave master if we're both in the house, and I see you rolling through wearing a red hat. I'm like man He just liked this dude over here And am I speaking it maybe or others thinking that may be but I'm saying how do we? Separate that if we're both in the house We like man I rather deal with somebody who called me an N word to my face than a person assigned me for a lifetime Deal on a 255 page of my contract gotcha

48:35 I got you. I'd rather know what i'm dealing with that's why when I walk in, when any I don't keep nothing on my chest like this one dealing with but I'm here this is why this is what I'm dealing with it has been institutionalized slave mastery and slavery our mentality is only one of the two now we need to find freedom yeah that was a there was which interviewers out again? That was him and big boy Big Boy right right right right So what Kanye West is saying is that we see now, our eyes have been opened and now we have the choice to continue to be mental slaves or we can have what some refer to as a ruling class mentality. And that is that I'm not going to be subject of anybody

49:26 I'm going to think for myself. I want to have a freedom of thought, uh i'm gonna use my own brain. I'm not gonna participate in groupthink You're not gonna shame me into thinking a certain way you're not gonna shame me into being quiet Uh when I call out things it's safe to say I mean if I say oh Trump is this or that people like? Oh yeah they clap Yeah, yeah But if you call out the other side It's like can't say that You can't say that about Joe Biden. You can't say it about Hillary Clinton, you know whoever the other side is because... A perfect example going back to the coronavirus when the Chinese saw that this was being labeled as a narrative of being a Chinese disease they sent their

50:15 Message out there. No, no this is not gonna be a Chinese disease they called CNN say hey Yeah, this has been it This has been a big one It's I will say that people are catching on to these things slowly But people are catching on now ask this question why is it that? That didn't happen when crime is associated with black people or illegitimacy children, illegitimate children are associated with black people. Why nobody ever push back against that talking point? Because they don't have any real power! Yeah no power, no money and you gotta give people money to make them say stuff that's how I see it working with the Chinese

51:01 A lot of money. A lot of money, a lot of biscuits. So the next question is well how did they control masses? This is another throwback clip from show five and I'm doing this for a reason one is to bring people up It's your first show you can kind of get or I mean maybe your third or fourth show You can kind of get where when we say things are passing. You could understand a linear Viewer how these things connect and you can always go back to those episodes and listen to them They're evergreens, so you can listen to him anytime

51:41 True, but what we want to do here and this is inspired by a couple of DMs I got. Maybe I need the latest case out linearly and then people can understand the point that how the dots connect. So we, okay there's a system we agreed upon that that system employs black people as the leaders to keep the masses of black people down. That's simply because they're trying to maintain the empire that they have which what we call white supremacy is really another term used for it is globalism, the Illuminati or whatever you want to call it so we're there

52:26 Now, what tool do they use to control black people? Advertising. Marketing. And one of the most powerful tools in advertising is nostalgia. Teddy told me the most important idea in advertising is new. It creates an itch. You simply put your product in there as a kind of calamine lotion but he also talked about deeper with the product

53:03 Nostalgia, it's delicate but potent. Teddy told me that in Greek nostalgia literally means the pain from an old wound to twinge in your heart far more powerful than memory alone That was from Mad Men Yes, that's from one of my favorite shows mad men one of my favorite characters of all time Mr Don Draper so with nostalgia how they use it as a tool is

53:50 Through images, you see the old black and white pictures of the people marching and the dogs in the water hoses or either lynching slave ships. Yeah. Lynching's auction block that use certain terms. Yes. Music of course these are all these are all reinforced through trauma based entertainment These images are reinforced and the mm-hmm and the trauma And the deep rooted nostalgia as it's defined here is kept intact to be brought to the front and and activated anytime and in that nostalgia, and it's buried deep into you the core of you as a person and

54:36 I think the younger people don't have that and i think that's why going back to the first of the clips with Karen and Drew, Jesse Jackson doesn't register with the young people because it's not nostalgic for them. Whereas the older people like oh, yeah. I remember Jesse from the push in the rainbow coalition and he was with dr King You know That's that line that they draw with younger people is not there So what they have to do is They have two mix and Don Draper said it in a clip The two more power things one is new so they take the new and mix it with the old The New Black Panther Party

55:19 the new civil rights. So it's like, let me put the new with the old and then I can trigger you into controlling your thoughts so one of them this is another thought clip from episode 22 One of the most powerful tools they had was the Highlander school song. It was in the civil rights struggle that Highlander became most famous and famous for a song, How That Happened is a textbook example of Highlander working exactly the way it was designed From the start, the Civil Rights Movement had songs. Lots of songs! But it didn't have a song... One unifying and irresistible anthem that not only said who they were but that musically expressed all their hope determination and spirit Septima Clark Pete Seeger and a new young staffer named Guy Carowan began adapting an old hymn turned labor song that Sylphia loved to sing

56:17 The word will was changed to shall. Some verses were fitted to the new movement's goals, and the tempo was changed so people could march to it better It became We Shall Overcome. We shall overcome! Deep in my heart I do believe we shall overcome Yeah that was a great segment you did when we went through that That's fantastic No one knows that And in three and a previous show to 22 we heard three separate news organizations use the same song Right two to two trigger that nostalgia. They're like, okay let's put this at the soundtrack Yeah, I mean if we had video you will see it was in the granny black-and-white

57:02 And it triggers you. It's like okay now we have them triggered now We download the mind control so now it seems to me that a lot of these things No longer work that well I think the trauma The trauma stuff is still legit, and it still works there's trauma imagery But we're missing We're missing some of these events and the people connected this too old Know what I mean? That was the problem with technology that the time, the cycle-time cycle sped up. Yeah Whereas you used to get 20 years out of a good piece of propaganda Now your lucky to get twenty days! Yes Look how fast things are going Even with this epidemic we have going on now It's eventually gonna burn out

57:56 People I mean unless you constantly start ratcheting it up the death count and the depth toll or you know something new people are black Whatever, you know and this is gonna yeah exactly. It's gonna fade away And I think that's what they're experiencing now So it's like crap we don't have the control when in there scrambling to say how do we get him back? They've got in control Oh so now one of one of the people I like to listen to just for their Point of view and their perspective is sad guru, and he shares with us the importance of a name Yes whenever somebody occupies a nation any conquering forces when they take over certain nations First thing they will do is they'll change your name This is the technology of dominance. This is the technology events ladies you must see that

58:50 If you look at the African-American history, when African people were brought in the first thing is at the port their names were changed. Whatever they had African names they were taken away and some silly names will be given that's what has been done to us Thiruvananthapuram is Trivandrum okay? Chennai he's mad..mad ras We don't know whether we're mad or we are rascals Like this India what does it mean ? It doesn't mean anything So if I give you a meaningless name, you will become a meaningless stupid person in front of me because I have a meaningful name. I have a tradition. I have a culture. You have nothing." Interesting! And he used the term there that I want us to follow away – it's the technology of dominance. So what we just described about how an empire maintains power is… it's a technology. It's actual science

59:53 It's a science to do it. Well, I actually have the theory of techno technology dominance How about this? Let me see if there's a do they have an actual definition here and we just see the theory of technology dominance TTD Posits that a decision maker may become reliant on an intelligent decision aid under two conditions hmm Let's continue this warrants more research Whenever these Terms comes up we want to come up They're rooted somewhere. Well, he brought the point when they brought Africans here they changed their names Yeah one of the scenes that we talked about from roots is the Toby scene yep That was the breaking of the old and giving you your new identity

1:00:53 You know, there's also something to be said for Trump doing that by nicknaming me people. He defies you the way he wants to define you. And it was very effective. You're sleepy, low energy. Mini Mike! I mean now when you think of a person... ...you don't think about them in their natural state. Yeah. He's defined for you how you should see that person It's one of Trumps most basic building blocks really Mm-hmm. He tears you down to build you up into the image that he wants to see you in The term fake news is of course a very good one

1:01:30 Mm-hmm. I like so now we're getting to well when you are we talking about on the personal level name? Are we talking about on the group level name let's get into clip two This is the first thing because the concept of a nation must sink into everybody's mind Yes, because nation is just an idea When this idea burns through your mind and sinks into your heart and your passion is risen towards that, then you have a real nation. Otherwise nation is just in the paper This is the unfortunate reality for us right now So at least when they left in 1947 The first thing we should have done is change the name In such a way that it resonates in some way in everybody's mind

1:02:19 Now you… you're using an English name for an Indian nation. Hardly two, three percent of us can speak English language in this country properly okay? The remaining people are essentially left out I think this is one thing I would like to request the present Prime Minister we must rename this country in a way it reverberates in everybody's hearts. Interviewer 1 – Wow! Wow! Wow! Huh! I didn't know there was an issue with India's name. Yeah They don't like it. Clearly English, it's an English word well if that works for them Think how it works for us. You took us, we were colored the n-word and we went from that to negro to African American or no well black and then african american none of these things were decided by us wait but there's a couple more come on let's see That's not the only ones colored you forgot your skip color people and then people of color you skipped all the good ones yeah No well i'm we stopped it

1:03:23 Stopping at black for now. But yeah, I mean if you want to go past that point now it's people of color because we don't really want you to be black anymore. We want you to be... That's too detailed! I love how this sticks in your craw man This is my favorite cuz you hear it every all day long You hear people of color and they're like wow these people are alienated alienating themselves Now that is the technology of dominance. Yes, true That's what that is. No, no, no, you're not black anymore. Like I said it's too specific. We need to do... Yeah we need you to be more group into this group over here of colors but let's just stop at black for a minute because another throwback clip from show 18 where Alizon the psychic she gives us the definition of the meaning of black

1:04:24 Hello there, I'm Alizon from alizonspsychicsecrets.com. I am a white witch, spellcaster and psychic. I want to talk about the colour black and its meaning Black is not strictly a colour as it is the absence of all colour It absorbs all aspects of light Black is viewed as mysterious secretive and hidden color And has many negative connotations Black can be very protective for people suffering from low self-esteem, low moods or other mental health issues. They use the colour black to protect them from the outside world and hide away their true feelings and emotions Great care should be taken not to use too much of the colour black for clothing in decor as it is very draining and depressing

1:05:19 Although the meaning of black has some negative connotations, it does in fact enhance any positive elements given by other colors. So wearing black with another color will promote and strengthen the benefits of that color. Why else do you think I'm hanging out with you Moe? I'm accentuating your white people! Yes thank you, I am shining, I'm such a bright light now Now think about that If this name that they've given us, which is a color has that much negative meaning behind it. If you embrace that name one, you've given up your actual identity. Yes, that's bad enough in itself but if like

1:06:06 Now I'm gonna be this thing and even in the you know, the irony of that clip She refers to herself as a white witch. Why yes exactly because why he was good Yeah, white is good black is bad Yes, fuck so now I'll post embrace this title day that you've created for me which was created through The arts and corporations they actually created black that's I'm black and proud. I even asked my mom when did we start being black? What did your mom say she said around the time of the James Brown song and the Black Power Movement which is a James Brown song I'm black and I'm proud okay but without doubt there's a lot of black people who are

1:06:55 have helped us on board. I mean if if I need to count every day the number of people of color who talk about people of color, yeah I'd be rich by now so it's enabling that from the people themselves yes instead of us having the power structure say that the Chinese had they say we're not going to take on these negative memes and you know, well isn't it yeah this shows you wealth versus ownership so Every NBA player. There's only a few who are white every NBA player Could do this could stand up and say no China But they won't because China actually owns them

1:07:41 Very true and we covered that in the episode with LeBron James in China. Yep an NBA Yep, you don't bite the hand it feeds you So that's they give you amount of wealth is so large that you can't imagine living without without it Yeah, so that that's the control mechanism over you yes but everybody at and I think yeah This has been on my mind a lot. The control mechanism is the cancel culture, it is... It's that no-it is the cancel culture because cancel culture happens in business, it happens in politics, it happens at popular culture, it happens everywhere and people are scared shitless of it! There's stuff you won't do within the company you work at

1:08:30 Regardless of race, there's stuff you're just not gonna say you're not gonna do. But maybe there are even people who don't really know what you do on the podcast because they think I don't want anyone to know and I don't want any problems! That is very true and this is a balancing act that you kind of gotta have but we are all human We all have strings that can be pulled Oh hell yeah You also have to say I'm not gonna cross that line even if it costs me. I'm not gonna cross... Well, a mature intellectual human being will do this yes but you know you got to go through a lot of years of figuring it out before you get to that point. But see..I want to push back against that because growing up that was the default for being quote-unquote black That's where the term keeping it real comes from You see and this is not

1:09:34 The understanding of being black is that you're going to keep it real. You know, that's how we... That's our MO. We'll give it to you straight. How do we feel about? We want to give it to you straight and if you don't then you consider a sellout What you... dive into that a second for me. You mean, keeping it real but you're keeping it real amongst yourselves or are you keeping it real with- are you real with me? I mean, I don't understand exactly what's going on here. Keeping it real everywhere! That's the default setting now as you get older and you get a mortgage and you get,

1:10:16 those things start to get chipped away at. I agree, okay you make it you make a very valid point once you have responsibility and stuff you don't want to lose when you're young of course it's easier to be a revolutionary but it's exactly at the point where you should be pushing back or taught you don't have those tools you haven't felt the pain yet being fired or canceled And the people that should be teaching you are leading you astray. Yes, well yes there you go true so moving forward Adam do you remember how we crossed paths?

1:10:57 Because we're gonna get in this. This is heading to where we well it was over the ados issue, right? Yeah Then you you reached out to me and we had a long conversation You explained to me how the what the Ados movement was and yeah That's that was the initial contact And what that was was the same thing that sad guru was saying that we need to redefine ourselves Right It was a nation. I mean, we're not a nation within ourselves but we are in a way of saying We don't want to be called black anymore because it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean the same thing that it used to mean so people started gravitating around this hashtag Ados and what I'm saying is that the groundswell was there and then the Hashtag just gave that groundswell identity

1:11:55 Right, so that's best Well, so you're trying to rename yourself and take back the power by creating your own ape only that got hijacked it got hijacked Because if a lineage is not it's not a it's not a political movement My existence is not a political movement. It's a it's who you are my identity Yeah So, before we get into the ADOS movement and just how the world perceived it let's listen to Mr. Dr. Amos Wilson speak on culture and problem solving.

1:12:38 What is culture? Horton and Hunt said from their life experiences, a group develops a set of rules and procedures for meeting their needs. The set of rules and procedures together with a supporting set of ideas and values is called a culture to a great extent you see a culture involves a set of rules and procedure for meeting needs, and this is the thing we have to keep in mind. You don't have a culture just to have a culture and you don't claim a culture just because it's a culture or just because its African The ultimate thing that culture must do is solve problems That's why people evolve a culture That's why a culture comes into existence

1:13:29 As a way of what? solving problems and meeting needs That's why at a certain point When a culture no longer meets the needs of a people or solves the problem confronting a people that Culture must be transformed Well, there we are at the moment of transformation then if we've got the old dinosaurs getting kicked out And this is one of the things that I think we glossed over, including myself because I had to start winding back and like we're at a very important moment in time. Black people are finally saying no you're not going to call me African American because that doesn't mean anything. You're not gonna call me black because that doesn't mean anything. I'm not gonna be a person of color. I'm gonna identify myself

1:14:26 And we have several different terms that people use, we've discussed it on the show. You have ADOS... Foundational Blacks? Foundational Blacks and you have Native Blacks but they're all saying the same thing is one large group of people now they may be not agreeing on what they want to be called but they do agree that you're not gonna call me this anymore I'm not going to be determined if you define for me. Umm..I find using ADOS a very useful code Okay, and I've seen that in fact was it some guy in Australia? Maybe was Chris Wilson. They can't remember who it was yeah He threw down a DOS at someone who was in the shop somewhere he was at and just like when you there's like It immediately opens up an entire relationship When you do that

1:15:17 Because it is, I think it's universally recognized among ADOS and when you...I mean isn't it? Does everyone know this term or do you think that still needs some traction to gain. For the people that subscribe to it, it is! Now some people want to cling to the old Uh, they had, they even went through this with a, with going from Negro to black. The older people wanted to cling to Negro coming because that's your identity. Right? Then the younger people want it now to claim to black because that's they wanted to re redefine themselves not realizing that there were redefined themselves to something that was preselected for him. They wanted to read upon ourselves

1:15:58 That's where we are now because we're like no I'm not you. I'm not a color And I'm not the same as somebody that comes here from other places They don't have the lineage And that's and that's the biggest problem, and that's worth more as I've learned but doing this show with you That's where most of the abuse comes from is, well you know, I'm black yeah but you're and I was from slavery. Well it's Jamaican or other West Indies is not this... You do not have the same story as ADOS in America just don't have the same story and your kind of weaseling on their action. And just think about it from a political standpoint

1:16:43 Political power is trying to group you into something more vague than black and to people of color, colored people. And you're trying to say no, I want to be a subset of black That's a problem for me. It's like, what? It's bad enough we gotta deal with you blacks! Now you want to define yourself as something...as a smaller group that's no good. Right. That's not good at all but let's let Dr Amos Wilson continue There is nothing sacred about holding the culture in the face of

1:17:22 you know, new events and new changes. Unless of course you're free to do that if you're willing also to accept suicide or death. And you have that right to that choice. You know? I tell people we have the right to say look, we are gonna hold on to this culture even if it kills us but we should be what very conscious about our decision. We should not be holding onto it out of a misunderstanding of what culture is supposed to do Ultimately culture is supposed to solve problems and to meet the needs of a people, and a culture then has to be measured against those standards. And as he said you can hold on to this bad culture and he's speaking from a different time because I think this was recorded maybe in

1:18:12 maybe late 80s early 90s. Now black is being defined as criminal justice reform, basically we're criminals we don't have fathers we have broken homes the crack epidemic all of these negative things rap music sexually promiscuous all these things this is the new black culture And it's like, oh you don't want to find yourself as that? Because soon as you bring up when you say the word black a politician says Oh yeah I'm all for criminal reform. Whoa! How'd that become synonymous?

1:18:51 And where's the pushback against that? I just draw it against to the coronavirus with the Chinese. Where is that type of push back, say no! That's a small sub-segment of our population but its not who we are as people but know its political capital so they say oh yeah criminal justice fix that for us Yeah, so yeah. I hadn't thought about that but yes That's true That's correct and of course in the past as we've seen many of the people who stood up to help or you thought you were helping We're really in on the game and keeping the power structure in place So maybe you know people are wary now mm-hmm Where are these strong leaders?

1:19:39 Where where's where is the leader of the future who's gonna say don't exist they never existed I mean if you go back all way to Margaret Sanger, they never existed. They've always We talked about on this show has had a handler as that a handler within this yep just so right So people are distrusting of leaders in general, which that's the school of thought I come from. And we're gonna get to that eventually. And this is why we connected intellectually and I think really because but we both know lizard people run the world and I think that was one of our main connectors

1:20:19 Mm-hmm, and so but so this should not be a struggle of Ados It's a struggle of all humankind really against the rulers who keep us down in many different ways Whether it's based on race or religion or sexuality. It's happening in every group Yeah And we all have our different paths to take To get to quote unquote freedom yes I chose the path of podcaster and working out so far Right. Another one is just being financially independent outside of the global structure. We're seeing a lot of people nervous now because they bought into the globalists

1:21:00 Agenda and now your goods can't get delivered or you know, are you they could tell you I stay in the house Don't move shut up. Yeah, you going yeah coming back That's that's the one a most word out Give me my quick theory as a preview because I'll be talking about it on tomorrow show How beautiful is it now if we could say? All right everybody We made it through this one but what we discovered is people use 40% less pollutive stuff. So we, our CO2 levels went down there was less carbon in the air We can actually beat climate change if we stay home every once in a while

1:21:44 We'll make it a regular thing every, you know once every quarter and people will stay home for five days and we'll go through this crap. And look we will win! We will win in all kinds of services that help us with this." Anyway that's my brief theory. And its funny you had that thought because I had the same thought that I'm looking at numbers from work and nothing has really changed except everybody is working from home What changes? You don't need expensive offices everyday Exactly. And guess what? You're always on! Even better you're always, you know at nine o'clock at night... ...You can't say I'm not in the office or i'll get to that in the morning no no no your office is at home That's right look into that Jenkins Where those TPS reports Right so yeah

1:22:33 There is going to be some change and I brought that up on last show. This is gonna have some long-lasting impact of change Yes So now we're at ADOS, ADOS itself well let's get into the clip and we'll talk about afterwards The ADOS movement is a group of persons who seek to position African American people black American people who are descendants of American slaves and out of that lineage in a self-aware group that has a specific justice claim due to the inherited disadvantage of slavery, Jim Crow, convict leasing mass incarceration redlining and finally immigration. American descendants of slaves feel that

1:23:19 reparations are the key policy prescription and remedy. Amish Jones thinks that if the U.S. government had dealt with the country's newly freed slaves properly, the black American community would look much different than it does today from an economic standpoint. Instead he feels discriminatory race based laws and policies position black America as a permanent underclass in something needs to be done about that now Well yeah, stop calling it black Americans and black underclass that would start. I mean you have the term right there! Ados? You got ados right there now let's call it black Americans got it yes I see the fallacy. That because we're not gonna recognize it we are not going to say we were taught and this is from Turkish news TRT this is a turk and I wanted to use how does that world how does

1:24:10 Being communicated to the world. That's why I use this This uh, yeah good choice news news of vessel because I want to see how it's being broadcasted the word and that you point And I didn't catch that They said it in a clip itself. Yeah Oh yes, Adolf is black, you know black people, you know, they're black black. It's like dude How about but where if you did that with pronouns? Oh, you canceled. Canceled! Imagine that so and so wants to be recognized as this pronoun but I'm gonna call him by the pronoun I've been calling them by before this. Wow interesting So hold on we have misgendering so it would be your preferred pronoun? Mm-hmm Well how do we use that with ADOS? You can't say... Your prefer lineage

1:25:06 You're mis-lineaging me, man. It doesn't sound right we need something else it needs to be a different one We can work on it I'm working on the marketing side of this you know? I'm ahead of you already and like I'm ready to go to work So...I want to let people know how this works You had a group of people that needed an identity because they didn't like the identity They were being used with being used on them And they were being supplied what to use so they Gravitated towards this Have to admit a DOS is a beautiful hashtag. It's a beautiful term it just from the Linguistics of it, but rolls right off your tongue ados Even better than DOS I mean cuz like it's like a DOS. I mean goes up and goes down I may wish it matters when you're as you know You working in marketing when you're giving something a product name? It has to roll off the tongue. It has to be balanced as well Yes

1:26:06 So Ados is balanced. It went across the social media like wildfire I would just like to say yes, yes to what you said but there's something not right about it and I can't really put my finger on it. For some reason it feels like its less sticky. I'm not quite sure why...I don't know why I've never felt that it really worked. I get it, I think part of it is pronunciation and familiarity with it so that's the biggest problem if you hear a lot of people saying Ados then it'll be cool. You know? If we got...you know..if we had

1:26:52 Oprah say ADOS, first of all that would be like way too hilarious but if that term needs to come in because there's still people... for me it even took is it A-D-O-S? Is it Ados what is it exactly. That wasn't really clear and so yes its good but it has problems getting out of the gate unless you explain it you really don't.. Yes! It has to be everyone knows what black is everyone know what African is everyone knows American everyone knows they think they know what color it is So it does warrant explanation, and I actually think the cool- particularly in today's lingo if a lot of people would use it, it would catch on real fast. But its not. And that's why they attacked it because from the inception to the time it really picked up...I mean we saw like you said with the tea party beautiful

1:27:46 This is self-explanatory. It's like Tea Party, oh yeah like you know the Boston Tea Party okay I mean I get it but look how they said no we're gonna have to rebrand this as this or that They did the same thing with 8, oh they're bots! They're Russian bots and their... So that was a strategic plan To no no we can't let this pick up steam And they actually rebranded it as a hate group The equivalent to it is Maggard, which is another beautiful... Yes. Yeah you're right! It's almost the exact match for Maggard Well interestingly I think they're both the same thing if you can take the black and white out of it

1:28:34 They are! It's the same thing. But it's they're both positive in my mind if you look at the origins, you know of course anything can be explained any way you want it but in essence it's just a term people just want they wanna say hey we're building something were gonna be apart or something and ADOS needs to wear their hats man where is my ADOS hat? Well, that's a whole nother story for another day. We're going to get into what happened with them but let's get into this second clip from TRT.

1:29:18 from baby boomers to their issue. We know that we're living a reflection wealth wise of our grandparents and if your grandparents were in a Jim Crow ghetto, which all black Americans were with few exceptions in this country due to those policies that we just discussed then we're going to be in a world of trouble and we will have nothing and be nothing and we will never be able to climb out and that's not fair because we built the country for free But should the solution lean so heavily on financial compensation? Dr. Carter thinks that the approach to reparation should be more comprehensive, right? We're essentially trying to fix something that was broken and there are a number of ways to approach that and we were talking about African-American communities this can happen on a number of dimensions and That doesn't necessarily mean

1:30:03 Every individual person who is black gets some amount of money because when we monetize it and you do do that So take money in exchange for your pain that transaction essentially says That we are done here, right? Legally I have fixed you and therefore. I don't want to hear anything else about it And I think what we're talking about When you're when we're thinking about reparations It's the more holistic picture and that is not going to be fixed with one check Yes it will. People make a middle note of this, when you start talking about cash money then people say oh no we don't really want to check you know with a holistic approach... No!

1:30:54 That's not how this world works. Everything, you know...you could however whatever when you take people to court for pain and suffering or whatever it's a check! Yes when you sign an NDA to shut up about being sexually harassed at work then you get a big check that's how it works. We're over it we're past it this week come to $1 amount Go ahead. Well, what's interesting is we're now about to give every man woman and child in America within certain limits a check an actual check the mechanism exists it can actually be done low and behold and no curry No You can't solve these people problem with cash We need a holistic approach Imagine if they try to fly that you know You stuck in your house

1:31:47 We'll give you holistic answers to your problems. Yes, what does that exist outside of... Holistic is Greek for bullshit by the way just letting you know. Right! No if we get to the right number and just as an aside ain't it amazing how they came up with that two trillion dollars so fast? Oh yeah, when it involves white people. Elites! And to be honest with you I'm just being 100% frank with you if white people wasn't going to spend that money with the real white people they wouldn't care either Yeah good point

1:32:28 It's like we got to keep the wheels grease, you know to keep our corporations running. That's what that's all about But it's just amazing Nobody gonna say oh You know, you know those people over here or over there and they're not prepared to get this thousand of two thousand dollar check No, we can't just put cash inside their hands Yeah, because you know they won't know how they won't spend it right It's exactly the same conversation. Now I've thought of this many times throughout this, we're gonna cut everybody a check business and I'm like wow isn't that interesting? I thought that wasn't possible didn't you need to committee? Don't we need a council to figure out if it is going to work or not and then we need to study? Nope

1:33:09 Two trillion, there you go. And then we're going to cut checks to everybody but when it comes to us all we just don't have it right now and this is a pro ADOS lady talking because whoever power structure she's under they're like oh yeah we'll entertain you but when the rubber meets the road X-Nay on the ash case. No check for you No cash. So you asked the question about what happened to ADOS, the political group? I'm making clear that have to do this because if not my inbox will load up we're talking about ADOS the political group well i thought everybody was on code of that was pushing the ADOS foundational black native black exiting the democratic control that were not voting and we don't get anything tangible

1:34:04 Well, the leadership of Adas went off code. Every word matters at this moment. Part of the reason that we're talking voting down ballot Democrat is to make it clear that we're not a right wing propaganda tool because right now before these come into play dismiss divide destroy You know, they're trying to gut us and call us right wing when actually we're just demanding a black agenda. So as a result we can't give any fuel to the fire and I think what i'm seeing right now is an inability

1:34:42 to really understand how important that is. Imagery, how important it is to cast this thing as what it is where we're look black folks since 74 have voted 90% Democrat black folks When you look at Latinos, in the last election 65% of Latinos voted for the Democrats. 35% voted for Trump. When you look at whites since 74 their rate of vote for the Republicans has been over 50%. And for the Democrats it's been like 40%. The Democratic Party is our party!

1:35:21 The problem is that we haven't called on them with the specific black agenda and demanded of them what they owe us. You don't walk away from what somebody owes you and say it's because they don't want to recognize you without making a haymaker of a case, and that's what we're doing right now." So that's Antonio Moore right? Yep! No good! How come he doesn't even use the term Ados himself? I'm telling you we're talking about black folk, black folk. That's a good question! And i know that's a pet peeve but honestly that is a very good question Now that you've brought it to my attention the number one thing you want to do if you're trying to launch a term is use your own branding You are exactly right But this was this litmus test I was talking about because me personally

1:36:20 I always, when i brought up the term ADOS. I let people know I'm talking lineage not political group right lineage not political group. I don't think ADOS even got enough runway to even be remembered as a part of it being a political group It was squashed so early on that I don't think the term is tainted What they didn't like the leadership of the political group. Well, no Didn't like the term of all we have to go Think about that logic I have to go vote Democrats so I don't seem like a white right-wing Republican group right? To show the Democrats my power No That's that's the trick you've been that's the football that keeps getting swooped away from ya and when he said that

1:37:11 It was like all the air went out of the movement. Yeah, because it's like you fail to test this that the testing and it even for me folks Even for me if I come up here talking about starts to talk about what you know, you know warming up to this guy You know even though he ain't gonna give us nothing. You know, I mean it makes me feel good Yeah But I would I would bring the hammer down on your head so fast man as I please check No worries Please no because that what needs to happen is if we're going to be and this goes back to What we're saying about a culture a culture is about problem-solving

1:37:51 So we're forming this culture to solve a problem that we've been neglected for, you know since the end of slavery. Oh yeah? You gonna get yours? You gonna get your vote? We're talking four more years vote! We're talking four more years now it's like oh you got to put something down on it We need a deposit, we need something. There's no more talking but that's when he went off the rails and their whole political group talked about voting down ballot because that's a con game in itself who actually vote? We vote straight ticket in America. That's what we do. Everyone flips the top switch boom good to go yeah. Yeah! We either drink Coke or Pepsi that's how we roll you know what I'm saying it's like

1:38:34 As you bring up the point of washing powders, that's how we choose. So when he it was like he was hurting people into the ballot box and you know how they're gonna vote. They're not going to sit there and check off every politician. And as an aside We all know that Tide really is the best. Well, we'll table with that conversation Trying to learn something here All right With that said, he got pushback from Tariq Nasheed. Who was Tariq Nasheed again? He is the creator of the Foundational Black American Movement and he's a documentary maker

1:39:27 Not a political pundit, but I racial pun. But if he's If his His definition is foundational black then he would I guess not want to see Ados take off if his if he's looking at that definition or does He not mind? I think everybody was moving in the same direction even though it was different names and the naming thing wasn't the concern is that Everybody's watching everybody to see, okay. I'm listening. And how- and now I wasn't just picking on Karen Hunter every black person now that talks... Every ADOS? Well, I said black for a reason because we're talking about the non ADOS as well which

1:40:12 that they're in high population and the talking head circle. We vet them and say, okay this is a list of things Are they talking about voting? Yes or no. Are they talking about reparations, yes and no. And when they say reparations do they mean cash? Do they mean a check? Or do they mean some kind of... A meeting. ...a holistic approach? A meeting! Right right uh No and if you don't pass that litmus test then you have no more say so in the conversation. And this is the inverse This is how the council culture is being used against itself It's like no we can counsel you

1:40:52 You know, you don't exist anymore. Well that is the ultimate weapon that every American has is you got your vote! That's the one thing everybody has and welcome to the true power if you can get all the votes that you want lined up for what you wanted them to do... ...you have real power but when they could use nostalgia control leadership fortunate to what their expected outcome to be is we didn't realize that power. But that's why I keep going back to 2007 with the invention of this easily movement of information, the information age was here but they actually move even easily moving information

1:41:39 Man, it really put a huge problem. I would go out and let me say this if Barack Obama had decided to run in 2016 instead of 2008 he would have lost. He wouldn't he would've lost yeah Well this show is part of that movement Moe it goes very slow these things move much slower than you want them too But think it's moving fast though These things move slower than you'd like. I really, I really think they do. True! Yeah, I got time. Me too. Yeah, I got time so... I mean the reason why i'm saying it's moving fast is you've seen Kamala Harris get rendered to nothing and rightly so yeah Cory Booker couldn't even get off the ground You've seen Minnie Mike, you know that people in the church

1:42:34 Turn their back on him and then that you know, it got broadcasted around the world a being I was taking down So these things are moving a lot fat. And this is why This is the this is the show in a nutshell what I'm talking about The fact that I had time to slow down take a step back those set of clips I started out with always headed in another direction and a negative direction But I had to stop them think like wow We got them on the ropes If this thing not pan out in 2020, they're gonna have to have a whole new team. Everybody has to go and that's that's a lot of power in it is short amount of time Well yes And I think it's very well known and I think there Having them on the ropes may be true because I see the conversation. I see how they're talking I see all everything They're doing to pander mm-hmm

1:43:42 And it's, they don't have a lot of ammo left really. I mean Joe Biden has zero credibility except for you know, I'm sure older people and you know who just like, yeah I like Barack kind of whatever...I'm sure they still fall into the trap but I-I don't see him having any credibility with uh with ADOS at all in fact quite the opposite. Imagine if Obama tried to select him as his running mate now It's like, oh Brock what are you doing? Oh yeah the crime bill. Yeah that never came up at 08 No the game has obviously changed yes obviously and there is some scrambling going on I agree And it's beautiful! I'm loving it That why I said I am here today to let people know I am at a You're on a high! I'm in a place of my life...yeah I'm on a high cause this..I didn't realize what I was seeing I knew it I saw it but I didn't really

1:44:41 Well, now is the time for Ados to strike. I mean once Bernie's out of the way which is clearly going to happen The time will be when Biden is the official candidate whoever it is that's the time to strike That's when you go ahead Go ahead The doomsday clock To use an analogy For this Time we live in Is gonna be the voter turnout That number Yes Which I think already at this point in my mind, it's enough to prevent any Democrat from winning the general election. There is enough who are not going to turn out that it will be a foregone conclusion. So when that number comes in, what we say was 63 and then went up to 57? I'm going off top of the head here folks. But Barack in 2012 was 63

1:45:39 2016 Hillary got 57. If that number goes below 50, we've got a whole new ballgame. Yes well the machine will have to ratchet up some racism talk about Trump it don't work but that's all they know what to do so that's the only thing they've got whether it works or not I don't think they haven't got no more bullets and you brought that up because our first show We brought up one thing that I haven't mentioned in this show. When Trump uttered those words, what do you have to lose? That's a bill that couldn't be unwrung. Yeah and he's using it again by the way in the coronavirus fight He's brought it up again As he should because... It's powerful Yes, it is very powerful statement

1:46:42 If you have nothing to lose, inversely that means you have everything in the game. And that sent ripples through the community, right? People were talking about that. It made you start to reassess the whole thing like hey your schools are bad and your neighborhoods are bad it's like... You got a point there! These people have been promising this stuff for 40 years I mean at least if you can start going back to like the 1960s when we talked about when black people really pivoted to start voting democratically yeah so

1:47:18 Let's just get back on track here and let's listen to Tariq Nasheed's reply. My position, Adolf is a lineage but then it's also created by a movement of politics, very succinct politics around the black agenda and reparation. Okay so right there okay it's a lineage buuuut it's a movement based around politics so its a political group brother! Okay we'll say that Let me get it back to me. See, this is what I'm saying. Say that and just be very upfront with it! This is a political group that they have that they've named the same thing so that it can be conflated That's him saying It's the lineages but also this political thing too So its'a group that they've conflated with the lineage So when you speak about the lineage by proxy your speaking about the group and your bigging the grouper Its two things Thats very deceptive

1:48:16 That's very deceptive. That's deceptive, you ain't talking about lineage no more! So if a person out here just saying yeah I'm ADOS and you thinking okay i'm just supporting the lineage and then they're using that Tony Nivette oh that's that's a member of that he's in my group that's my group member I'm the leader of You understand? We're a lineage you telling me who to vote for Yeah he has uh...he has a good point there It was bait-and-switch Can't argue that can't argue it You can't because it happened to me. But I mean, I'm aware enough that always preface my statements when I was like okay, I gotta see where this is headed because we've, like you said if you know the history of NAACP and these other groups It's like wait a minute what? Where is this headed so may he brings up an excellent point So what ideally We want

1:49:19 It was laid out by Malcolm X and this is another throwback clip from number 19. only means that the black man should control the politics and the politicians in his own community. The time when white people can come in our community and get us to vote for them so that they can be our political leaders, and tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone. By the same token, the time when that same white man knowing that your eyes are too far open can send another negro into the community get you and me to support him so he can use him to lead us astray those days are long gone. No they're not yes they are no because it's still happening

1:50:26 Oops, sorry. It's happening but it's not effective and that's the what you're seeing now on MSNBC CNN and these other news channels they're running in place! It's the twitching of the corpse is that what you're saying? That's exactly what it is yeah they're running in place there going nowhere fast because the votes you were gonna get your gonna get I'm not being naive and say, oh well. But you're going to get those votes anyway people already have that Tuesday marked on their calendar that they had to go vote so you're not increasing the turnout right what's what you're doing is your overplaying your hand and the more or you talk The worse you make it yeah Yeah And i'm enjoying it and they haven't figured out yet

1:51:18 And another point I want to bring up is he uses the term nationalism. Yes, now if you notice nationalism has become very popular again yes we talk about all we need a manufacturers more stuff in America now the medicines and so why won't we want that in our communities? Well you do of course! Yes but now but that used to be a nasty word Less than a month ago You know well things do change this is true and and we've seen some monumental shifts what I'd what I guess What would on? I only know through you how big the ados movement is. I mean, you're the gateway for me because like I can't trust anybody I see on television or here in the media in general but apply that test to them let go for anybody all the listeners out there apply the test

1:52:16 And how do they wrap up their talk points? It's like, oh yeah no that's why we need to go out and vote on Tuesday. No! Oh no I understand but what i'm saying is the ADOS... The hashtag ADOS cultural movement Is largely invisible because it's being kept invisible But its there! Its bigger.. That's the point im trying to make is Its bigger than ADOS Got it. It's there, I mean what you want to call it? Right, it doesn't need the term the vibe is there Yeah and they fed off the vibe To create the term The term didn't create the vibe And that's why I'm trying to communicate here You've communicated, I get it But thats why I'm asking So now I understand Its there That's the point of this whole episode Is to let people know

1:53:11 No, they didn't whoever coined that term didn't create the movement. It was already there is just Gravitated towards that and easily recognizable term I've heard you predicted but is the movement strong enough and about? I disagree with sending the Democrats a message I mean I think there's other ways You can go about it if this truly this Movement because you're still going after the people who have promised you the football for 40 years And you're still you're still gonna play with them, although you're going to reverse flip the script by not turning out. Do you really think it's big enough that the turnout will be so low that it will make that difference? That it will cause any Democrat to lose and it will because of this swelling feeling of we just termed as ADOS for now? 57 already had them losing

1:54:01 If nothing changes from 2016, they're already in a losing position. And it's not that we're... I'm speaking personally now It's not that I am gonna run to the other side and vote but me not voting helps the other side you understand? That's why i always bring up the term negative vote That is a real thing because you know what? I know what me not going on Tuesday, that's what that. I understand that power. I don't have to go vote for the other side. I'm not gonna mislead them or miss Construe the fact that I'm all on board with you either. No, I'm sitting back and says what do you have to offer? Well okay but so you're still gonna be sitting around waiting for them to offer something even though if it's not this time around It's in two years or in four years Yeah someone's gonna have to grab this this donkey by the reins and And make something happen when someone's got to stand up

1:55:02 that we've talked about from the group? Yes, of course. No no no and we're gonna get there! That's what the whole topic of this show is about when we play the ISO clip We don't have to do anything and I'll explain why but let's wrap up with the second clip from Ballot or The Bullet We must understand the politics of our community, and we must know what politics is supposed to produce. We must know what part politics play in our lives. And until we become politically matured, we will always be misled, led astray or deceived or maneuvered into supporting someone politically who doesn't have the good of our community at heart."

1:55:52 So the political philosophy of black nationalism only means that we will have to carry on a program, a political program of re-education. To open our people's eyes make us become more politically conscious, politically mature and then whenever we get ready to cast our ballot that ballot will be cast for a man of the community who has the good of the community at heart. All right, I think that was it's pop. I think that was used for Barack Obama a couple times Yeah, and in his politics Yes It is what do you have to offer me in the next four years? And that death is kind of like we're voting mercenaries not loyal to anything but you know to the purse mm-hmm Because what has loyalty got us this far nothing now What we could do is we could do Trump a solid and not vote

1:56:56 And then see he says, okay well you met me halfway. A non-vote is meeting him halfway now what are you going to put on the table? You trying to get this new party off the ground which I believe that's what he's trying to do. I think MAGA is gonna be a political party more than a political movement. Okay interesting Is there enough on the table to entice us to come over? Is there spot right right yeah I like that. This is where we're at no more freebies and I know I got you We're not for freebies That's a great way of look freebies yeah my vote we've been free being it for 40 years no, no more now You gave me a perfect alley and i'ma oop it yep to leaving one

1:57:56 This is a quote-unquote plantation and then going to the other Plantation net and then what that is the analogy is the Democratic Party as a plantation It has black people on there for so long And we're and we've heard we've been hearing a lot of prominent figures say this literally leave the Democratic plantation Yes, well it was formalized under the term blacks it What do you get when you mix the words black and exit? A new political movement which wants to make black people stop supporting Democrats. But how does Kanye fit in? Alright, top of our news feed at Kanye West and Blexit. Now as we know Kanye or Ye as he now wants to be known has been a vocal supporter of President Trump from the very beginning and running alongside this has been a movement which is now officially called itself Blexit basically it tells black Americans to leave the Democratic Party vote Republican and its founder suggested Kanye was part of it but overnight Kanye West said No

1:58:58 My eyes are now wide open and I now realize that i've been used to spread messages, I don't believe in. I am distancing myself from politics and completely focusing on being creative. Confused while thankfully a conscious here to explain Right so this was the movement spearheaded by Candace Owens Correct And this is the second groundswell...I know I use that word but This is the second one We were leaving anyway. Yeah, the term blacks it didn't make us It's like we thought we were comfortably with all women I'm gonna vote democratic and then the term came along black see it's like oh You know what? That's interesting let me look into that where we're headed that way anyway But she comes along and current coins a turn or There stories out there that she stole to turn for some other person but that's here nor there

1:59:56 It's like hold on. What is this blexit thing? Right, but then Kanye felt that he was because I think I think it was Candace who was talking you made it sound like Kanye was a part of it and it was and his and as His art was being used on some merchandise And so yeah, and I think that you know someone got swept up thinking that you can Once you got Kanye saying okay that you got him because you don't it's just not how Kanye is They were trying to leverage his celebrity to know To fuel their movement and it's too bad because I think a lot of the right people were there And I think Kanye was the right person to bring into it, but that was completely mismanaged

2:00:36 It was and it was a cheat. It was trying to cut corners big time Let the person know what your plans is, you know And then if they're on board do you do it but there was like oh we wanted for a quick boost Yeah, quick PR hit yeah, we want up We wanna associate Kanye with this movement which he was not and they took the one thing They never should have done They took his art Whether it's musical art or drawing, that's the one thing you don't touch that. And I saw that happen like, oh stupid morons. Because Candace Owens has great points that she makes but

2:01:17 I'm fair. One thing you'll learn about me, I judge equally no matter what you're saying, I judge your actions and I put the same litmus test to Blexit and Mrs Owens as I do with anybody else You know, you could be saying the right things but let me how are you going to finish your sentence? What's the sale? Right. You can get me all riled up but what's the sale at the end? Let's get into Blexit 2 Brexit is short for Black Exit. It's a call for black Americans to stop supporting the Democratic Party. Blexits website says, The movement is the individual journeys of free thinkers across the country and a place for those who have released themselves from political orthodoxy

2:02:13 That is from their long-standing support for Democrats. Conservative activist Candace Owens explained the movement during its launch last weekend. We will color these cities like this room looks colored with positivity and with hope, progress that can only come from a change of mindset. Blexit is a renaissance and I'm blessed to say that this logo These colors were created by my dear friend and fellow superhero Kanye West Yeah, also fellow superhero no no no no no no So she comes in you know she sounds good. It sounds good on paper You know it was a monumental mistake

2:03:05 It was. And another thing she said, we're changing people's minds These people's minds were already changed! You gave them something to rally around That's part of her superhero She thinks that she is a superhero I'm sure I heard her say that but I didn't register the first time I heard it Now i am hearing like... no no no no What's wrong? Dumb Well, this is what happens when you're propped up as a leader. Yeah amateur. Quote unquote leader and you start believing in yourself it's like oh yeah I'm making these people... No the people already are looking for something to rally around You just gave them a turn which Brexit is another great term It is yeah it is Yeah Brexit is great but it was mismanaged mishandled And I think its tainted now you can't use it anymore Its tainted the same way Ados is

2:03:57 But it doesn't mean that it doesn't represent something that's real. True This is the narrative that I'm following here. But let's get into Blexit 3." Kanye West was linked to this movement immediately, he has previously described her as a friend and tweeted this. I love the way Candace Owens thinks but now he has denied involvement with the campaign tweeting... I introduced Candice to the person who made the logo and they didn't want their name on it so she used mine I never wanted any association with Blexen. I have nothing to do with it Kanye has had a difficult time with his mental health recently He's told the world he has been off his medication and has had to apologize for inaccurate claims Made on multiple occasions about the history of slavery in the United States Saying it was a choice

2:04:50 Oh my god, don't even go there. This is from TRT, the same Turkish... But that was the narrative! That was the created narrative is that and dude I heard though the millennial white girl saying I don't like Kanye he's racist He says it was a choice and they didn't even look at what he said or listen That's just how went around the Twitter like oh man. I can't believe you said that It was not a choice And they don't even understand where he's coming from and he's crazy enough his meds. That's right, yes yes and then it became like well you know he has problems so let's just you know poor Kanye which is another way of marginalizing someone And I want to make one more point here even for myself just a little inside baseball if i happen to put a red hat on it could be very lucrative for me that that that is not missed on me If I went on my youtube channel

2:05:52 Put a Make America Great Again hat on. I could make a ton of money! Yeah, but sleep becomes very difficult... It does and it's very tough and what i'm trying to do here is build up something that's gonna last and has integrity and that that is what you know I'll put the value out there and people return the value back to us I like new money. I don't know if you do, but I hate old money that's wrinkled and dirty and got all the diseases on it. I like new money and when i give things to people, I like to give stacks of money It's fun! You ever had a stack of new money? Have you? You haven't have you? A little stack...

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2:13:55 I noticed on YouTube a ton of these content creators start putting MAGA hats on. And their numbers started flying through the room... And that was after what? After what? After the Blexix. Ah, okay alright yeah. At the rise of Candace Owens you start seeing content creators putting the MAGA hat on because one it'll boost your numbers through the roof and then two money in the bank. Money in the bank interesting One of these people that I noticed was, and he's also co-founder or helped found Blackstip was Brandon Tatum.

2:14:33 Do you feel it breaking? I do. Because the other thing i said to you right before we started was the day that all the Democrats started talking about reparations, I called Candace and I said this is because of you yeah she caused such a freaking split where it needed to happen that suddenly the Democrats were like alright guys we're starting lose you how about some cash stay with us here's whole hard cash, and what's the number? I mean that's the other thing. It's like there's never gonna be a number that's enough right? Yeah you know it's because reparation in itself is the stupidest idea ever. What?! Can you run that last 15 seconds back? Yes! What the heck did he just say was the stupidest thing. Hold on a second here we go. And what's the number I mean that's the other thing it's like there's never gonna be a number, that's enough right yeah and you know yeah it's because reparation in itself is the stupidest idea ever now who was not saying that that's Brandon Title

2:15:29 He's one of the co-founders of Blexit. And if you notice... He's also Candace's colleague, right? Yeah! Yes and if you notice Rubin led him saying all the numbers it's never gonna be enough right?! Right!? So they're both kind of anti Well or uh... To wear their red hat. Right. I'm not linking this to Trump himself because a lot of people have put that hat on to make a profit what I'm saying is You have to stay in bounds just like the lady with the TRT clip when she was talking about all fine. Oh, yeah We need reparations but it needs to be Comprehensive it's a cop-out It's either a cop out because you're you're really playing for the other team Uh-huh and your trickster or it's a cop out cuz you're pussy their establishment on both sides Yes They are there

2:16:26 There's no way he could say. Oh, yeah for reparations now is he said it's the dumbest thing ever ever Yeah ever where was this interview done? This was on the Rubin report hmm interest so and he in a room I forget his first name but route they've been led him like Dave Right right there's no number Come over to number right what do you mean it's amazing how All these people in the politics, easy to brush aside. Oh no we don't know the number uh I told you 1 point $1.5 trillion just like that to Wall Street right from the Federal Reserve then we double down with another half a trillion just like that thousand dollar checks to everybody just like that but

2:17:21 When it comes to pay a debt that's owed, let me clarify that. I'm not looking for a handout! I am looking to be made whole like the lawyers say. I'm looking to be made whole! Yes now of course if you think you're going to be made whole just from a political party that is never going to happen. No no i mean its an exercise in power. Yeah, it's not I'm not gonna say well when I'm next check shows up. I'll be a complete human I'm already that yeah But what I'm saying is when people is going to do one or two things One either we can work together or two leave me alone Yes, you're not talking about I'm talking leave me alone. I got better stuff to do Don't waste my time and I'm not gonna waste your airtime putting people on there It's not gonna resonate with me So I mean let's do both each other favor of put up a shut-up Yep

2:18:19 But Mr. Brennan Tatum, aka dumbest thing ever he continues on reparations We pay taxes still but they're gonna not let us pay taxes I'm gonna pay for my own reparations if i were to get it Think about this how much money are they going to give you? Well they'll tell you that their gonna take from billionaires Yeah and give you how much though A thousand dollars ain't gonna do nothing people blow that in the weekend Ten thousand is nothing Twenty thirty thousand generational change a hundred thousand may not be enough And then if you don't know anything, if you're not educated and you don't even think about finances your $100,000 is gonna last you what? I dunno. Four months? I've had a friend that had two million dollars from a settlement blew it all! Haven't done nothing to show for it. That's not what just giving somebody money isn't going to help them at all

2:19:03 But that's the other story. And also, it never would be enough not just the literal amount but like okay so let's say you gave every black person $50,000, just pick up a number well now your two generations past that right? And if the left just keeps going off the deep end their grandchildren are gonna go wait you sold us out for 50 grand? True That was nothing! True You know, it's just in... It's almost the reverse of the way human psychology actually works. Right and then you know everybody knows when you give a person something, you just hand somebody something they don't appreciate it as much What kind of growth potential? Give me a better education! I don't need reparations and money Wow these guys sound like two of the dumbest guys ever Hey by the way By the way this is so there's actually an Ados man sitting there saying we too stupid

2:19:53 We can't handle our money. We're too stupid! And if some can't handle it, none of them should get it. Disappointing man... Where's the logic? When he put that hat on, it's for Rambo and not only on the left. That's what I'm saying here. I beat up on the left a lot. But it is not only on the left. Of course not. Before this narrative was But Republicans don't care anyway, so I mean they're not even entertaining us. Which is also not true! It's not true. Yeah but i'm just the narrative yeah of course like now when they finally have people that they want to put in the spotlight it's like here's your script. It's nailing reparations you know and no no no and you have to double down this thing ever. It's disappointing from Dave Rubin uh...I thought he was smarter than that

2:20:51 Well, he's in the same position that Brandon Tatum is in. I mean this is like you always make the point of it this not color? No He has his people just hey Dave don't get Brandon on there and get out of line or get caught up in the moment well but he also doesn't have advertising so True I'm not quite sure how we didn't know if he had Patreon he was very successful with a lot of that I know, just this was a disappointing one. But when you don't get the invites it's bigger than money like Dave though they're talking crazy you know yeah yeah yeah you're right yes he does cross over into mainstream and gets invited on shows yeah you're right

2:21:40 The reason why I say that is Drew McCaskill said that yeah, we've been to the brunches and uh in the gala's and yeah It's it's bigger than just money. It's the it's the influence and uh, what's the whole thing? Yes in access you get Yeah But the beautiful thing about the internet And and the youtube is let's mr s list of miss let's listen to mr. Brennan tatum Uh view on shit everybody get a thousand dollars Let's talk about a few things here There has been talk about everybody in America getting $1,000. You have the left and then you have President Trump. You have the irrational and then you have the rational. I think it's legitimate that because the government decided to shut down travel, shut down business that the government should in some form or fashion stimulate the economy by subsidizing workers and people who own businesses. That makes perfect sense to me.

2:22:39 Now if your business shut down because you have foul practices, that's on you. That's not the government but if the government is responsible for arbitrarily saying that we need to shut down our whole economy because of this virus that's going around which I have my opinions about then I think it's a government that should subsidize reparations is the dumbest idea ever. No problem with getting, why are you saying logic? Where's it gonna be people out there to misuse that thousand dollars so nobody should get a thousand dollars because they're stupid where was that logic at you see what yeah I see it that's the red hat effect and like I said I'm not putting this on Trump but I'm putting this on he has to cater to his audience

2:23:23 That's that's the beauty of what we do here. We say what we feel and then our audience gravitates towards us Yeah, it's not like a Adam wheel you know where yeah? How annoying would that be Along those lines though having done this once will set an interesting template You know the next time the demand Bubbles up reparations well with MMT, modern monetary theory which is being applied here because this money is by the Federal Reserve overnight money it's not exactly US money so you mentioned that earlier but we're gonna come up with probably closer to two trillion dollars to fix this two-week shutdown if you can believe it or not. There's a lot more where that comes from

2:24:19 That's just me looking at the overall new way that money is working and as long as we're the reserve currency of the world, we can print as much as we want. And I think we should for a lot of different reasons but this would be a good one and it goes against everything that i've learned by the way about you know the principles of money but I think they're being thrown out the window now. It really...I got some Bitcoin just in case, but i think it really doesn't matter anymore so the template will be set and the demand could come and it could happen and obviously we can make it happen pretty quick! And the litmus test is not exclusive to reparations. It's tangible because it's something that I can see touch feel you know? So if you come to me and say well

2:25:07 ADOS community what we can come up with is say a trillion dollars in no interest loans and we'll make you tax exempt. Okay, we can start there. We can start, you know that's tangible. I can work with it now we'll do this for four years and we'll come back to the table oh that's how it works yeah and do another bargaining agreement but just to say like Dave said there is no number There is no number that we could find Thank you Dave for negotiating on behalf of ADOS Yeah But its funny that these

2:25:48 People like Candace Owens and Brandon Tatum and others Supporters of Trump which I use that very loosely because I think for some it's a money grab They love to throw around the name MLK, but for their own purpose see this is where I go back get him being a tool Mm-hmm cuz they'd like to represent their blackness cuz their blackness isn't question our met automatically because when you put that red hat on the automatic assumption is you're a coon. Let's just be honest here. Yes, of course! So then they'll go well you know MLK was a Republican and they use all the talking points but it's one talking point that they never ever used. MLK we're coming to get our check. At same time that America refused to give the Negro any land through an act of Congress

2:26:45 Our government was giving away millions of acres of land in the West and the Midwest, which meant that it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor. But not only did they give the land They built land-grant colleges with government money to teach them how to farm. Not only that, they provided county agents to further their expertise in farming. Not only that, they provided low interest rates in order that they could mechanize their farms. Today many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies not

2:27:28 And they are the very people telling the black man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps This is what we are faced with and this is a reality now when we come to Washington in this campaign We're coming to get our check Yay, have you ever heard that before I don't think so no I don't think I've ever heard that we're coming to get our check. So he was... It doesn't fit the narrative! Right, but reparations was in his mind. Mm-hmm this is 68. This is though that's why I said he was not I'll stand behind that point that he was degraded of his time yes but as he became a man and started to mature more

2:28:19 He started to see, huh this doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense maybe we need to pivot here or pivot there but no that doesn't fit inside the image that we need why is that not on them? The more you know commercial We're coming together I checked! The more you know! You know what's a good one and which speech is that from It's not even from a speech. Was that a speech? Was it sermon, what was that? Yeah its from a speech I don't have the speech right off hand but it was in 1968 towards the end of his life so yeah that was past the point of no uh-uh you ask for use your civil rights and integration but you asked for a check note but I was making the point that they love to use everybody loves to use him as a how they as a tool how they see fit

2:29:07 But none of them ever represent him in this light. And that's always how icons are used posthumously, right? And this leads me to the point of why leaders are not necessary I know we disagreed on this point but the simple question here would support where I stand at. How do schools of fish swim in harmony? How do schools of fish swim in harmony, and how did the tiny cells in your brain give rise to the complex thoughts, memories and consciousness that are you? Oddly enough those questions have the same general answer – emergence or the spontaneous creation of sophisticated behaviors and functions

2:29:57 from large groups of simple elements. Like many animals, fish stick together in groups. But that's not just because they enjoy each other's company— it's a matter of survival. Schools of fish exhibit complex swarming behaviors that help them evade hungry predators while a lone fish is quickly singled out as easy prey. So which brilliant fish leader is the one in charge? Actually no one is and everyone is! So what does that mean? Okay, I've always used this term schools of fish and flocks of birds. That's how we need to be well yes and the way to do that in 2020 is online and That needs to be done away from the established media networks because that's never going to happen That will not be allowed that will be blocked that will be delisted that will be deplatformed it has to happen on the open internet

2:31:02 And the beauty of it is, as I illustrated in this whole episode they already had happened. You had people exiting en masse from voting Democratic. Yes. Nobody was like... Blexit tried to take credit for it but that was already happening these conversations were already being have between amongst me and my friends Right, but I doubt if a movement like that would swell again on Twitter. I think that gets suppressed now. I think people are onto it and we can't have that happening It's not that it doesn't make it possible I'm just saying it came to my attention through hashtags and through Twitter all of it And then it gets hijacked discredited chopped down Sent away doesn't mean that the schools of fish aren't still communicating with each other. It makes it a helluva lot tougher

2:31:53 But if we simplify the task of creating a culture, not going to rallies, not holding signs and marching and none of that. I'm gonna raise my children to be productive in society. We're gonna have a two parent household. We're gonna be educated. You know, we're not gonna depend on politics now if we can leverage politics to be you know saying advantageous to us, we will do it but we're not gonna depend upon it. We're gonna be self reliant That's how that works. And I wanted to illustrate that point because it's not that we're sitting around waiting for somebody to give us something, its like... We're gonna be busy doing what we need to do anyway! We're going to have a ruling class mentality. We're not going to have a handout mentality.

2:32:44 And that's why I played that Kanye clip because either you're gonna have a slave mentality or slave master mentality, which i don't like the slave master term but it's more of having being independent and having a ruling class mentality. Right and that can happen without any of Without a leader meetings or leaders or anything. It's just like this is direction we need to go everybody needs the head west Okay, well all head West at our own speed but eventually we're all get there So if you want to play the part two, tell us how to fish. Yes of course I do. While the school of fish is elegantly twisting turning and dodging sharks in what looks like deliberate coordination each individual fish is actually just following 2 basic rules that have nothing to do with a shark 1 stay close but not too close to your neighbor

2:33:43 Keep swimming. As individuals, the fish are focused on the minutiae of these local interactions. But if enough fish join the group something remarkable happens – The movement of individual fish is eclipsed by an entirely new entity The school which has its own unique set of behaviors the school isn't controlled by any single fish It simply emerges if you have enough fish following the right set of local rules Yeah, so how do you get this? How do you organize the schools itself organizing it's already happening. Mm-hmm That's why I'm so joyous today because I had a epiphany like

2:34:27 It's already, you know we've been conditioned as being quote unquote black people to one day the old promised land is coming one day. We're already on the path I mean we're ahead of schedule for these two groundswells that happen independently nobody coordinated this People tried to hijack it, people tried to label it but that already happened We're ahead of schedule. So now what we need to do is keep our distance, be close but not too close because that introduces the opportunity for infiltration which we talked about a lot here and then two is keep swimming. Keep swimming and I know it sounds over simplified but no that's the only way this works

2:35:21 Well, I for one enjoy this journey. If it's not on Twitter it's...I'm not going to be exposed to it so that's why I enjoy speaking with you so much because that's the only way I really hear about of course we see this stuff pop up once in a while and now at least we know what to recognize as bogus or not Mm-hmm, and there's a lot of bogusness out there Bogativity I guess we should say yeah and the fact that they have to keep retrying it reinvent the wheel and Reshape their message means. We're successful It's not working anymore You know we have the antidote in the end though is truth well last thing I'll say I find it probably be a good idea when

2:36:12 When the chosen Democrat loses the general election, which I am pretty convinced a lot of that will have to do with the lack of the Ados vote for the Democrat. It needs to be made clear... ...to the winning party that that happened. Oh well i'll say this Have no fear We will be blamed from the losing party! That will happen That will happen. They're already setting it up, I mean you see it yourself Adam Of course I do! It's like those damn black men they go bein' fathers and ya know pillars in their community again And when they say that to me I'm gonna be uh huh and I know one One of the guys over there that Moe guy he's part of the problem right there He did it And guess what? I'm raising four more problems Good for you haha yes and four great problems they will be Hey Moe this has been great man This has been fantastic

2:37:13 And perfect also for this particular period where we get some time to reflect. We get to reflect on what you said earlier, very important with the virus and how people are treating other people How you can compare that to having a different skin color It's very powerful, very powerful to think about that and I appreciate your bringing that once again And as I always say, Adam pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And i look forward to more Truth next week we'll still be on lockdown I think uh then we'll do it all over again around Saturday right? Yes! All right Mo thanks a lot man we'll talk to you next week. Alright see you later Adam We'll be right here on Mo Facts till then

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