64: We Are People 2

00:00 Diamonds are forever, they won't leave in the night I've no fear that they might suck me forever Mo Facts with Adam Curry for July 10th, 2021. This is episode number 64! Where have y'all been? We've been waiting for ya! Yes we're back with that part two you've been waiting for I'm Adam Curry in the heart of Texas Hill Country and my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen The ever-unimitable Mr. Mo Facts

00:58 How you doing Adam? Well how am I doing, i've been missing you Moe. I've been missing you that's how I'm doing! How are you doing? I'm doing better um sorry for the long delay but as you know the show is ready when it's Ready? Yes. I've been down the rabbit hole of all rabbit holes And just dealing with life so yeah, this is a well-placed Pause in life so we can have this conversation that we are gonna have today So looking forward to this. We started it several times at stop there's been technical issues There's been life issues. I moved that was another issue and

01:38 But we're here and I presume Mo, this is going to be We Are People 2. This is the follow-up to our last episode Yes it definitely is I think people didn't know where I was going with the WAP and I got a lot of good feedback from We are People And I want to continue to show The relationship between Megan Thee Stallion and Maxine Waters We looked at For, pun intended the working side of the relationship. The women that use their bodies and I want to make something clear the working side could be taken as a double entendre because

02:24 Women to actually use their physical bodies for labor such as cleaning the same thing they kind of fit on that same side of the common folk so We're gonna look at the educated side now and also reveal the third party in the room I know people have been waiting on that. So, I guess we can jump right in Do you want do we need to roll out the wheel it all just for old time? Ladies gentlemen of Mo Facts with Adam Curry for episode number 64. There's only one person who knows, we will find out collectively the topic is... It's called WAP! Yes Part 2. Just part two setting you up alright I'm very excited for this mo I'm ready for the long haul and i'm sure even brought in some things that happened over the past six weeks or so that may have been interesting Is that part of the rabbit hole you went down?

03:23 We'll see. I was moved by your article and i was so pleased that you wrote the article for a lot of reasons oftentimes particularly happens with entertainers they put you in a box And somehow they don't see you as a person who has a life that includes family, that includes interactions. Decisions that you have to make that has nothing to do with your performance and so they don't see you as thinking about

04:00 the plight, for example of black women or civil rights or any of these issues. So that's why I was very pleased that you wrote it and so when we saw it We thought wow this is great and I'm so pleased let's write her! Let's let her know that we think that she's doing a great thing and has done a great thing. And I want you to know that when you speak of yourself, and you say maybe people think you're being too controversial etc., Pay that no attention. For some people who don't have courage and don't have confidence, they don't understand it when they see it in other people so you should be proud of that You should be proud of whom you are and I know you are Not only your talent but your person What do you care about?

04:51 And what is it you're doing that is not only good for you, but good for others? So thank you very much. I'm pleased to be with you. Yeah, I'm glad you played this. This kind of brings me back into where we left off. Yes! Just to bring people up to speed or if this your listening for the first time... Last episode and this episode is centered around a quote-unquote conversation between Megan Thee Stallion, Maxine Waters and a third party which I'm willing to unmask now. Okay. Caitlin Greenwich. So she's the one that wrote this article and linked these two together

05:34 And we're going to look into her background. But one thing we didn't discuss last time or we didn't discuss in detail was the name of the article and that is Megan Lee Stallion and Representative Walter's on misogynoir, saying no and the genius a wap so that's the full title Misogynoir? Yes, so I brought you in with the wet but this is what we really got to talk about That misogynoir. So that is a I guess you would call a malformation of two words Misogyny and the French word for black right? Yes. So this is black misogyny I Hadn't good. I didn't get this term the first time misogynoir. I like that. That's just yeah category. Oh

06:26 Everybody took the WAP and ran with it, and the audacity and ran with it. But this was the hidden message. This is like the payload that was in the bomb That and it really is the sigil. It went past our conscious mind and slips right into our unconscious mind And what this is referring back to is what happened with her and Tory Lanez with the shooting incident? Yeah, so this is why Megan Thee Stallion is several reasons while she's um a great and I use his words respectfully but acid

07:02 for the globalists and the democratic or liberal politicians because they can use her. She's educated, schooled we're going to talk about that side she has sex appeal and now she also is a victim of a violent crime from a man right so they can get shot in the foot was that it? Yes, yes. A bullet ended up in her foot that's correct allegedly there is some cloudiness around that but this is why they chose to bring her and just talk about misogynoir and what I have to say about that if we're going to say well misogynist just the word itself it from whiteness you got your black so its racist aspect to it this targeted towards black men

07:56 This is the misogyny. From Latin, man. Ah so misogynoir is black on both sides Correct. And that's why... Holy crap! Yes, now we see why we're here so we can go ahead what I would also like to do is go back and talk about some of the things that Maxine Waters said and then we can move on she said no confidence So for women who think they shouldn't use their bodies in a sexual manner to gain attention or clout You don't have confidence and this is a prime example of shaming what we talked about sign language before from Kevin Samuels, and he's are really lightening rod right now. But the sign language is a abbreviate I mean not abbreviation but a Reputation was not abbreviation with the word. What do you saying when you say sign language? SIGN

08:56 Each letter stands for a word. An acronym? Acronym, yeah I don't know why this escaped me but shaming is the S in the acronym sign language and what she's doing now is shaming other women She's not shaming men She's shaming women to say if you don't agree with this then you don't have any confidence So confidence is a key point to audacity and that leads us right into clip number three which is from the last show, Redefining Female Audacity. Audacity it is defined as having the courage to make bold choices or excessive confidence It is both of those Or either of those

09:43 I define female audacity as having the excessive confidence a woman needs to make bold choices between two seemingly conflicting but significant elements of her life. Women are sometimes faced with additional stress once they decide to bring a child into the world, how are we defined now? Are we a nurturing mother? Or are we a career woman?" This seemingly polarizing event in a woman's life can be tragic and very difficult to deal with. The dichotomy exists between working, career woman and mother. It exists so powerfully that our culture has labeled it Mommy Wars. A war between women

10:42 simply because they have made different choices. Will they have the audacity to forego their family, to chase after their ambitions? Or will they have the audacity... ...to be a nurturing mother and dedicate themselves to their children? Either way it seems to have a negative connotation but the fact remains that the war exists. And this is why this is important because This is somewhat a treaty in The Mommy Wars Where you have the career woman, Maxine being Maxine Waters sitting down with a working woman or the mothers.

11:25 Women are divided on this, what their polar... as her words the polarizing event. Should you be a mother? Can I ask you question about that? Yes go ahead Because I know how this so-called mommy war plays out with white women mainly and i would say it's not at all a war But that in general, and I'm just projecting what I've witnessed throughout my life. In general the stay-at-home mom is proud of her choice and says you know it's not the choice i would make but go ahead you can have a career. I think actually the career white woman is a little more at war with the stay-at-home woman than the other way around

12:17 Is that the same? Well, war could be... One person can start a war and it doesn't mean you're not fighting in it. Sure sure I'm just saying what you want to say is one is on the offensive Yes exactly In my experience the career woman is more on the offensive yes and their main tactic is the shaming See where we're going here? Well, like Hillary Clinton. She said I'm not gonna sit at home and bake apple pies Correct and just like Michelle Obama says she's a single mom Which was a head scratcher But if you can pull off both see in this is the thing This is where the audacity In the conflict and polarizing events that dichotomy all these words used come into play because if you can balance that working mother

13:13 That career woman that has it all, you know this meme the one that has it all? But you know how... This woman said is polarizing. So to pull that off both To go out in a working world and try to have a career and be a mom Is like A very high expectation Yeah Well hell yeah And its really a form of elitism If you can't do both Ah yeah What, you can't do both? You're not able to do both?! What's wrong with you! Right. And we've heard- We've talked about this on shows before the pressures that mom has and this is the point why I'm doing this...I think we have to..we can't fight this mommy war for women No But what we have to do is let them know that they have our support so they can be vocal

14:08 Whether it's they feel like they're being, and then I could say to each his own. And I know somebody got really frustrated with me saying good luck, you know or all the power to use to women that use like they choose to use their body. If that's your adult choice fine if that's your adult choice to forego motherhood and be a career woman for that's your choice but what I'm saying is the machine that creates these images and memes of women have it all creates mental unhealthy mental expectations of women Sure, well that's... yes of course I agree and uh..I think we've talked many times before that even just the fashion industry creates unhealthy images for women to aspire too often. And this is why, bringing back to Megan Thee Stallion, this is why she so effective because she has a body image not typical

15:03 to the modeling industry. She's a more four-figure woman, she's educated and but she still can you know saying she's still fun I don't have anything personally against Megan Thee Stallion but when you allow yourself to be used or maybe it's a Britney Spears situation You know what i'm saying? When you sign on when you sign onto these things we need to start looking at how many these stars are under what control It's interesting, last night Tina and I were talking when Michael Jackson popped up on the playlist. And it was like this is 40 years old and then we talked about it and said that guy has a similar story to Britney Spears only different obviously but he was on stage one time

15:47 Yeah, well. But he was on stage when he was five! You know? Completely controlled by his father and you know... And that carries on like Britney Spears damaged man damage from the Disney Club to the Mickey Mouse club I don't think you can ever really undo that I mean it's just who you've been trained to be And it's a system. This is not by happenstance, this is a system where we... Okay and I know I'm gonna hit this right quick and I'm gonna show you, we're gonna walk right into number four Black radio in any city advertised is your kid I want to be a Disney star blah blah blah blah bring them down to the convention center So really poking problem right you know saying basically um just no not cuz I had to mean me having three daughters me and mrs. Facts had to have a serious conversation like now that's not happening because I'm missing my kids or a blessed with being attractive for our cue, whatever you want to call it so

16:47 I'm like, nah you're not taking them there to be picked and then move up a level. It's presented as such your way out isn't it? It's the same with the toddlers in tiaras so attractive for parents because you feel good, oh my kid is beautiful or is wanted or desirable. Or he's pretty whatever it is and and Oh boy I could be like the kid could be on the path could have a career thinking that that isn't know that show business as a groovy way to go. And Disney machine sees this and you can see it play out in reality TV. And this was going back to Megan Thee Stallion cause I want to get the clip four

17:29 Her memes, you gotta look at Hot Girl Summer. We talked about this in show 52. Listen to how Hot Girl Summer meme created by Megan Thee Stallion, Pentatech traded the culture and took hold. We have Wendy Williams here talking to a black woman whose name is India and she's wearing a blonde wig. Clip for ya. I'm a wig designer. You're a wig designer? Yes Yeah, you design the hell out of that one. Thank you! So how can I help you India? My sister kind of had a hot girl summer this summer she was messing around with like three guys and now she's pregnant and we don't know who the father is

18:19 So my advice, so my question to you is how do I advise her without judging her? Is it your little sister or big sister. My older sister. Damn that hurts even more. This is our first pregnancy. And she doesn't know who the father is well she only messed around with three guys Only three right! What she needs to do is visit each guy now is she showing yet no perfect Here's the plot. Wow She is going to visit each guy and take their toothbrushes Okay No, no, no And you get that DNA test done so that she doesn't look whore-ish when she goes back and says who was the father? Who was the father? Who was the father? Yeah You understand? Yes So she was using no protection just screwing around Hot girls, hot girls No hot girl don't do that She was hot hot Hot stupid

19:15 But that's the thing. The thing is, you need the DNA test and the best way to do it is to grab a toothbrush I love how Jerry Springer became a black woman And that's...Jerry Springer set the mold for the 90s and daytime television which birthed a whole other generation You see? These And this is why I don't get into like the characters or whatever it's what are they pushing and for her to be pushing hot girl summer. And not laying out, I mean real consequences and maybe hey

19:56 Maybe this adds to the 75% single parent rate in our community. Quote unquote, community. I'm not about to go all pergur you on you but i'm just saying is does this have an effect on that and i'm sure it does? It certainly doesn't seem like just something to laugh and joke about but yeah this is why don't watch Wendy Williams No, I'm just saying this is why if whatever meme they can give Megan Thee Stallion or she comes up with it will take hold. And that's why i am sounding the alarm. Hot Girl Summer crossed my twitter several times and then I think it morphed into like hot boy summer etc but hot girl summer was definitely a thing that I saw too Yes So it was broad since black twitter refuses to connect with me

20:50 They won't let you in. Twitter won't let me see it! Hey, he's got that show thats enough don't give him too much information. I'm just saying that the reason why i brought up the blonde wig is this is unha- You can choose whatever color hair you want but im just saying the beauty standards set by this machine chews up women and spits them out. And then on the other side of that, the educational requirements you know go to school you know and don't learn how to have soft skills in these kind of things excessive confidence which isn't... I mean when i hear excessive confidence that makes me think toxic so is this a form of toxic femininity?

21:39 You know what I'm saying? To have the expectation... Nice. I'm just saying, to have the expectation that you need to have a sense of confidence if i told young men that they would say it was toxic masculinity Yes By the way whenever I hear audacity you know what pops into my head The first association What's that Obama's book Audacity Of Hope Sure It's Not An Accident Sure It's not So now we have to go into go back to the conversation between Megan Estalli and Maxine Waters, and this is clip number five. When I think about you and you continuing your education, I said to myself, You know what? She doesn't have to go to nobody's school anymore

22:28 She's got it, she's done it. She's got it made so that is so absolutely commendable that you continue to focus on education when you know you don't have to I mean people go to school try to get where you are and here you are in this place and your still paying attention to the people so that's very very commendable My mother and my great-grandmother passed away recently, but my grandmother is still alive. And she would whoop my butt! Even me at 25 she would whoop my butt if I dropped out of college so you know what? I'm not only getting a degree for myself, I'm getting it for the women in my family that originally pushed me to go to school anyway

23:17 That's why I remember if you had, you know grandmama great-grandma and mama and all of that. I know what they said girl get educated because they can't take it out of your head They can't take it away from me That's what they always said right? Get my brother will always say get them papers Well, that's great. And again I commend you for continuing to do that and now I understand even more why it is important to you You're not just doing it for yourself, you are doing it for them What always worries me Is how so many people can listen to the exact same clip or watch the same video and just come a walk away with this totally different idea of what was being said

24:05 The way they place the words this is why these people are valuable When you can say something and people can walk away with it like yeah, and everybody feels like they oh well Okay I agree And I agree and then two peoples sit down talk about what they heard and it's not there's no agreement between the two people But they both agreed with her right No wonder at Maxine in her 80s still there. You're right. She said she's very skillful Because one thing she says is, oh you don't have to go to school anymore but you're where people wants to go to school. But then she turns around and tells us how important schooling is. Yeah they can take it out of your head Right which I wait we won't get to that one because that is a meme of all memes in the black community um that get education in your head and they can't take it away from me

24:58 Oh my god, are we gonna come back to that? Because I have something to say about it. I want to do it now but... No! We can go ahead and do it now. Do it live! Well, I wish that the new black in your head meme would be your Bitcoin wallet address is in your head they can't take your money away of what's in your head Yeah, and that's the similar... Except this would be very valuable too. If the government can't take away your money, can't steal from you then you have total control over it. With Bitcoin literally they can't take your bitcoin away if you've memorized like 12 words in your head. So anyway And what that means is in your head is like get a

25:48 Let's just be honest. We're gonna have an honest conversation here, we always do but we're going to go a little deeper here Your degree is your freedom papers? Yes This is your ticket to whiteness and not whiteness as in complexion or race anything like that Into the system Right And it's the same what I realize is that we are not the only ones who have this but were not aware of this At the same time, there's a countering meme that says if you're smart you're weak. And this is where the divide comes between these two communities we're looking at it on the female side but nonetheless

26:35 Okay, see I mean education is a very I mean it goes back to slaves not being allowed to read It's a very hot-button ticket and i'm gonna be honest with you if somebody treats me like i'm uneducated that Is a real um? For lack of better word microaggression You know saying and I mean that in the actual terms of it like no don't play me like i'm dumb And that's why this is a very sensitive subject for our people but At the same time, what they've done is white supremacy. Let's talk about the one world government is if you don't have papers you're not anybody

27:18 Don't you see, like I said it starts with us. It starts with us! Yes okay so let me just play this back to you So what your saying is... Your perception is that often someone will say something assuming or presuming that your uneducated Just based upon your exterior appearance Right, and what that comes in is the... It's not I've never had it overtly like oh you're dumb. It really comes from the opposite side of pandering or the lower expectations. Real racism isn't oh you know real racism is not uh you know we think black people are dumb like this come overtly

28:04 Real racism is when you say, oh I didn't think you could do that. You know what i'm saying? It pat me on my head. Good for you! Right Wow, okay. Yeah that is real racist. So I'm just explaining why this is important and it's even more important to black women and like we said we humanize people but we also gotta see where the ideas come from so we can truly understand them you know? And do away with them if they're not productive um...so getting the papers

28:40 Degrees also are seen as a way from being liberated from men for both black and white women, and women of all color. Because when you have education you don't need financially tied to a man. Right. You know what I see? Go ahead. Well there's one extra aspect to the education is we've seen certainly in the past three to five years a lot of young people graduate they often have degrees in areas that Really either there's a lot of work for it like social justice But anything else most young people come out look around and say okay? There's 12 hour $12 an hour jobs for me. What the hell did I waste all my time in college for oh

29:31 And that's what men are kind of trying to tell women. It's like, don't trade away four years and $100,000 in debt to go sit in a cubicle. We hate this! I mean let's be honest we hate it but we do it so you know put you in the situation where you can do what you want to. That's enough functioning relationship Right? I mean, we're not and then we got to fast forward a little bit but We're not in the days of where you know You're at home with like barefoot and pregnant. Women are able to do it both But the key word is let's just go back a little bit Is The career woman

30:11 Not the career, not the working woman but the working career woman. So you dedicate everything to your career because a woman can easily have children and run two or three small businesses out of her home. Sure! Happens every day. Be financially independent or maybe even the breadwinner in the house that's not what we're saying We're saying this rat race that men go through don't you go through it? We try to say hey We're in the rat race. Wow, well that white men I don't think think that way about white women Really? No no i think it's uh... It's so deeply ingrained that is like yes yes go go not even for a moment thinking you might see it really sucks I don't yeah I don't think so and I think we've gotten to that point yet And other reason is all these weird ideologies that you learn at these liberal universities

31:06 And we gotta move on. We're gonna go back to the movie Black Girl, 1972 Brock Peters and Leslie Ooghams I think I pronounced that let me just set it up right quick so we have the eldest daughters Norma Faye and Ruth Ann of Mama Rosie she's the mother and those are her two eldest daughters Their father returns a town hoping to rekindle a relationship with Mama Rosie Mama Rosie speaks about her dreams and we'll just take it from there. Getting into black girls clip number six. Rosie didn't tell you but she's done gone to keeping girls every now and then first out was just one of Norman Ruthann's friends who didn't have no place to stay Now, every stray alley cat in town done found him a good thing

32:00 I don't like that. You getting any money for this, Rosie? I don't want no money for it! Hold on, let me get this straight... you mean... ...you just gives a girl a home who ain't got no home just out of the goodness in your heart?! Love those girls like they was my own daughters! Oh well uh Norma Faye and Ruthann and Billie Jean wasn't enough for ya huh? They don't appreciate me like them other girls do Maybe if you would appreciate us more mama Is there to appreciate Norma Faye I don't see none of y'all's graduation pictures up there. You and your man, put your dresses down! Oh... Y'all got caught huh? Yeah! They got caught! Wait till Billie Jean like to shake her tail she's next. I don't put no faith in nom-nomo!

32:51 Damn it. I'm excuse me, right? I wanted to watch this movie. I didn't get to it Because I know we played some of these clips or clips for different clips from it So this is mama Rosie shaming her two daughters because they chose to have children and I want to be clear those children were not bastards They were married to their husbands But they didn't go on and get any education And you hear the shaming for mother Mama Rosie And you hear the their father and my dear, which is I think just long for my dear. It's spelled the same way without the R. I mean with the R excuse me but you hear her shaming like y'all graduation pictures up there and you hear that turn to father use that y'all got caught huh? So this is where that figure comes from of

33:47 It's the same thing in society. It's the elitist mentality that education or formal education puts you in a higher standing in society Yeah, yeah. It's absolutely true sure and then the hierarchy on the women side is educated mom You know because it's like it's a hierarchy if you're educated career woman and mom Then you have to educate a career Mormon without being a mom And then you have like kind of like the mom and then you have the you know The woman without like, it's like single mother where she might be. Excuse me the single mothers at the very top but at the very bottom of it is the woman that is married with children and no formal education or career. It's very sad I mean like a reason why I put bringing this up

34:43 This is the globalist plan to drive a wedge between the natural order of men and women. We can both coexist with if you use technology in its proper form, if you use all the things that this society has it's not a bad society by no means but it's their pressure that they put on through these people like Megan Thee Stallion for the people that Maxine Waters serves The question that immediately pops to mind, now Maxine Waters... I mean when you say this is the plan and of course i'm all in with you. I'm just hearing people saying well who's making this plan? And when did this plan come up and why are they doing it? Are they really conscious that they're doing it? Now Maxine Waters I think is very conscious of what she's doing. Well Maxine Water's job is to harness votes! That's her only job

35:42 She goes out and harness votes by being Auntie Maxine. Which Auntie said we talked about is a... But she's got some real subversive stuff she's saying though Yes, I mean she's a witch! If you want to talk about witchcraft in the term that we use as being controlling She's a master witch or you know, whatever. However their rank is the grand pooh bah Yeah, it's no wonder why and the thing is and she resonates with women that target voters because She's done it right? She's ran the gamut she has children and she has a career but at the same time

36:27 Like I said, it's a shaming tactic. And now just going to the root of it by using this movie and you heard her say it but and I don't want to dehumanize Mama Rosie. Mama Rosie is coming from the place of if you have education then all your choices are your choices which I disagree with that that's true If you have some kind of education but its the formal education I had problem with There's so many crafts and skills and talents that you can harness to, I mean hell we're doing it now. Let me just look at this. We actually break down the fourth wall for a minute That's what we're doing And it's well like I said all we're trying to say is It's hard work wearing the pants But we as black people are steady wrestling for the pants and we're like You don't want these pants trust me

37:23 And what it does is just makes these people reliant on the system in one way or another. Because you think about it, if you're a single mother and your working... What are they pushing? Well this is very courageous what your doing here because I think most men- I'm sorry that's not fair to say but there's a large segment that are like Hey, you know what? Why don't you try it for a while. Why don't you try these pants on where your saying I just want to let you know the pants kind of suck sometimes And and... To be honest with you that's who we need this...I can't say that

38:00 I can say it from my perspective that you don't want to have these pants, but what i'm trying to do and I hope other men would try to do is this is just my perspective make it safe for women that have went through it. To say dad that's not the move right? That's not what you want to do right and then for women that are actually being wives and mothers As we come off the bottom, we want to take them with us. It's like you know what I'm saying? Because like we're the bottom-bottom but that thin layer on top of there is... and i'm just gonna say it black married women happily married women with children Like that's that thin layer on top of the bottom called black men And they're ashamed the most! I mean like..I mean look at Candace Owens

38:47 And I'm like, me and Candace, I agree with all some things. I don't agree with all somethings. I'm just saying that if she had a different message she would be the next Oprah But the message is like no, no. No, she's dark-skinned She's attractive all the key points that be woke you know of the world but it's like oh you got the wrong wrong message So we have to shame you and look at this shaming they view over there I mean that's why I say a shame is a Through line through this whole episode because that's the number one weapon for control in

39:24 aka witchcraft. It is also the number one recommended mechanism yes I may read it in the press all the time politicians said we need to call these people out they need to be shamed this was this and this started with Obama, the shaming that the use of the word not him necessarily but during that time period shaming calling out I think Obama was big on call you out Well, the way I look at it is like this. I don't think it started with Obama. I think Obama came in at the time of social media So social media is the platform for shaming. This what we call cancelling roasting and all these things right? So it came with him And what happened was The younger crowd that were computer savvy were more liberal at the time

40:16 So they were able to use these memes and other methods to attack. But the conservatives caught up quickly! And they perfected, they perfected the mechanism. They learned how to do it, they learned what words to use... ...they used how to do it in very short sentences etc Right, because they used to have those. Remember those oaths you used to sign as a conservative? Like I pledged... It was a pledge or something like all of them had to sign it right? Oh like the Republican Pledge or something? Yes yes that's what i mean so those what i'm saying is Those became a pledge online. It's like you gotta align to this and I'll say the conservatives have the better memes. They are meme masters. Just look at me as being unbiased

41:03 because you have so much hypocrisy. The magic of a meme is the hypocrisy, right? Right, right, right, right! So let's get back I think we stopped at six lets go on to seven My grandmother oh she's gonna pull me through Do you know when she gets her diploma She gonna come back here and teach It's no big about a teacher mama You go into some white woman's kitchen You liable to find one working there She's the sense in spinning on and some fancy college just out work in a kitchen ain't gonna happen to my mother. How do you know that mama? I know because she smart, that's why she don't want all kinds of awards and scholarships and they can't mess with you when your spot

41:59 And the spiritualist told me that a child that wasn't mine was gonna make me happy one day. Now you can roam all you want, but I don't see none of y'all helping me get nothing! All Billie Jean got on her mind is that that's a dance and mess!" She can't take that away from you. You hear it? It's the same thing Maxine Waters says. Like I said this is a running... which I'm not dumping on education-that's not what I'm doing The problem is You go off to these universities and you trust everything they say to be true. So all they had to do was poison what they feed you at the universities, so don't keep you out now. They don't keep you out of the university's day. And really if we want to think sinister, you're saying just from a dark place if you wanted to control pop the people, the population or society

43:01 You put your smartest and brightest and gifted classes at a very young age, and you steer them there. And you make sure that those advanced classes have certain curriculum that are mandated by the endowments given by the largest philanthropic organizations in the world? Correct Because that money is earmarked it goes in and says here you go as long as its social justice classes you can use it And we saw that with all these companies coming out, black women 10 billion, 10 million 5 million. You're right? Yeah That's the say you have to come under our understanding To get this money and this is where you get misogynoir from This is where you get Harper Bazaar which is not a black publication or even a black targeted publication writing about this stuff yeah Right they don't want

43:57 Well, what they want... Harper's Bazaar and I have to look into it. Have to do a quick check if he owns it What Harper's Bazaar wants is they want they obviously want readers But they want control and look at you got all the ends of the spectrum You've got Maxine Waters on your cover with Megan Thee Stallion! I mean how could you do any better from a commercial standpoint? Which I think that's what they're always motivated by. And I don't think so. Mmm. I don't think- what I'm saying is by then I think you brought up something on Rogue's show, shameless plug. Of ESG or EGS... Yeah ESGs Environmental Social Corporate Governance

44:39 Right, that's what these companies are more and it's not that what I'm saying specifically But their posturing is more important than profits right now. No in fact well What I said on the Rogan show is the ESG which includes in? climate change and woke thinking let me just put it that way you can go to the biggest companies in the world and see Their ESG Raytheon as a great example It's now but it's in the news So the executives of the corporation and shareholders benefit by adhering to these really non-business goals, to a large degree. Or showing that they're woke or showing that their climate change... They're on board with climate change regardless of whether it's true or not because then they are more investable when you are more investable stock price goes up people who are running the corporation win

45:33 And that's exactly why they target black women, because it's a double win. So yeah so it's financially driven for these companies and its... But I don't think well fine okay let me be clear I'm not talking about short-term profits. I mean this one saying they're not focused on that they're focused on being established Yeah I'm sorry It's compartmentalized I didn't explain that right The people who are at Harper's Bazaar which is owned by Hearst And Hirst and Dvorak knows Hurst very well. It's really about profit, of course there is a lot of social justice stuff in there but that is one level above the excitement for an editorial team to get Maxine Waters and Megan Thee Stallion they are being used as my point Harper's Bazaar is not doing anything out of their own accord

46:28 Right, we can agree on that. I mean yeah but i want to make sure that the people that made the phone call to get Megan Thee Stallion on that cover are not working out of profits they're working out of... We need to get these her resume built up New York Times op-ed now she has Harper's Bazaar It's because she is going to be so valuable. I mean, and let me just skip back something right quick with the talk on education The reason why they choose a Megan Thalian is Cardi B failed She went too far she screwed it up Well no Cardi B is seen as not my words Candace Owens' words illiterate Yeah And that was a bad look

47:13 So they're like, we need somebody that actually can put string 10 words together. Yes and her moment was with Anthony Fauci and that's where she failed Well, her moment was with Joe Biden and even Bernie Sanders. Yeah true, true and that's exactly what they wanted. In 2024 whoever the Democratic candidate is will be talking to Megan Thee Stallion. Yes I got you we talked about that on 63 that's good we reiterated it. Right so that's the whole point of this is we have to build it because oh you know Megan she's credible cause she was on Harper's Bazaar or New York Times irregardless

47:50 Nobody's going to buy that magazine, except for maybe Megan Stans. But it validates her the same way a degree validates... It's the same validation process is what I'm saying. Of course! The same way a video on YouTube with Steve Jobs validates me. Just putting it out there brother and then how Joe Rogan revalidated me And that's what we're trying to get away from We want to say the talent should validate you.

48:27 And yours did. I mean, you're not saying oh you're just famous for being famous It's like dude i'm saving podcast two times. I mean what would you do this morning? You know say that kind of thing right or I mean with that's what I try to do here when we bring That's the problem just for a quick aside That's why value for value is important. I have to come with the values to receive the value back Absolutely boost us baby if you're listening on a podcasting 2.0 app go ahead newpodcastapps.com boost us now Thank you. So now moving, I think we start at seven let's get into eight and we were okay Let me set this up for one quick minute now Okay Rosie returns home from talking with her the perfect husband and Mama wrote me on skewing my idea since Something were off with her so they engage in a conversation that kind of turned south really fast

49:22 Rosie, your girls ain't no babies and neither is you. It's a sin for woman as young as you to be walking around here burning God didn't mean for us to burn like that, ya know Oh Herbert done tuppet-bobbed to you that way just so he could get happier then. Eh... smarter than I thought it was Yeah but nobody else don't have to tell me that when it comes to nature That Bible belongs on the shelf not myself You know, I know where you got them ideas from. Old auntie. Oh lord if i'd have known leaving you with that old woman was gonna make this big a fool of you! I would rather give it your way and never seen ya again. Ya come pretty close to doing as it was mama. You ain't never gonna forget that is ya Rosie? Auntie didn't let me forget it Mama morning noon and night

50:23 If it wasn't for your mama leaving your daddy, I wouldn't be fooling with you. Just the beginning what did she say? You're walking around here burning is that what she said yeah Mama Rosie would mean my deal was a hot girl oh okay Burning okay, just had to figure out this line got it Yeah What she's means like you saying like horny basically I mean but like a better word right I gotcha um But this isn't Everybody thinks that morality is linear, right? We're like super moral and we just kind of drifted down in a linear fashion to depravity or wherever we are now. No! That's not how it works. Like...We had this weird folk- Now I'm going somewhere so you gotta follow me. Okay, So my dear is Rosie's mama And the girls' daughters, the one who has kids and the one who likes to dance grandma

51:19 So she went and left Mama Rosie with her auntie while she was out being hot. Now, she has to come back and live with Mama Rosie and she got Earl, her living boyfriend that pays her rent for her. Now you see now she's like well I got needs at the same time Mama Rosie looking at like her mama like You left me And you don't even have nowhere to live? Aren't you still worried about a man You see these dynamics playing out and the thing is if you do the age right, my dear will be a flapper. A flapper? Yes, a flapper! No... A flapper is basically what like a hot girl is back in the 1920's It's like we're in this hundred year fold Huh yeah well yeah that's it that's an interesting way of the fold Yeah So the 1920's, the roaring 20's

52:21 The wild 20s, that's where we're at right now. or perceived as such, and flaunted their disdain for what was then considered... of course drugs. What was then considered acceptable behavior. Flappers were seen as brash for wearing excessive makeup drinking alcohol okay I got it. I got you covered number nine! That's what your telling me! Flappers are the quintessential symbol of the 1920s You can recognize them immediately by their fashion, their dancing and their sex appeal But who were they? How did they become flappers? Let's find out

53:06 The origins of the word flapper are a little bit foggy since it originated in slang, but some sources say that flapper was once used to refer to young prostitutes in England and developed into a word referring to excitable teenage girls. The rise of the American flapper had its beginnings in the social climate at the end of World War I. It had been a brutal, bloody war that killed millions of people often pointlessly. Following the war, a massive Spanish flu pandemic swept the world, one of the deadliest in human history killing millions of others Many began to realize their life could be much shorter than they realized They could die for reasons completely beyond their control Young people especially took this to heart

53:53 Those who were in the prime of their life opted for fun and pleasure instead of wallowing in the woes of their situation. Wow! Important clip, very important clip for- In any context... Of this period This is I see this happening This is OnlyFans, this is everything The pandemic Oh my goodness Right Exactly Exactly And we've just ended a war A 20 year war? Just entered a war and we're going through a pandemic. And I'm letting everybody know now, we're gonna experience a sexual tsunami. Yeah, I believe you. Oh it's dry now! It's dry. You understand? Everybody is gonna walk up to see where the water go?! As soon as they say it's open back up 100%

54:43 You're about to see something that you never seen before and this is why we do the show because you have to look backwards to see forward. Holy crap, it's good now I love this. And this is why my dear she left her child age lines up with flapper age and This is the attitude they had. And to give you an idea of a black flapper, think Suge Avery from The Color Purple. That's just to give you idea and we're gonna go deeper in and explore it deeper into Suge Avery but let's continue on with our flapper two

55:19 Women were finally able to vote in the 1920 presidential election, allowing them to have more influence in shaping their society. Women were also better able to get jobs by the 1920s and they could often earn enough money to be self-sufficient and spend their money however they wanted to A little bit earlier that same year, the 18th amendment had also passed which prohibited the production sale and transportation of alcohol. The prohibition movement had been championed in large part by progressives as well as religious leaders who believed that alcohol was a poison on society Flappers took to drinking alcohol partly because it was illegal and therefore exciting, and it also contributed to their devil-may-care attitude. Women's increasing freedom in the youth who are looking to get the best out of life began to lead to the creation of The Flapper.

56:07 Flappers were a direct challenge to the conservatism of the Victorian and Edwardian eras. Many young women no longer wanted to be confined to tight-fitting corsets or restricted only to formal ballroom dancing, they wanted to express their newfound desire for pleasure in all its forms The development of flappers was also helped along by the growing movie culture of late 1910s and early 1920's The glamour of Hollywood with all of its hedonistic glory was a constant beacon for young people. Actresses wore makeup, something which had previously been associated with prostitutes but now it was a symbol of glamor and the freedom to look as one wanted

56:46 Whoa, all right. Let me give you the analogy I love this mode tripping me out The analogy is the only thing that's changed So we had into the war world or one right? We had Afghanistan but you can name five other wars We had so we have the pandemic which the same as a flu pandemic Except it's not Hollywood its tick-tock and its Instagram social media Social media for even 20 years yet, right We're still, I mean what? 2007 maybe? I can tell you exactly. Twitter and Facebook both came on the scene and YouTube in the 2006 to 2008 time frame Yeah, I don't count social media pre-smartphone because a lot of people wasn't really into it but i'm saying like the... Maybe the smartphone might be the new technology itself The iPhone came out in yes, I think the iPhone came out in 2007

57:44 Yes, that's why I'm going off of because that was the portal. Yeah, I mean it is social media and message boards always existed But we can pipe right into your like a television went through this in 1950s June 20th with movies June 28 2007 so writer so right around this time too yeah So weird 16 years in mm-hmm no 50 yes 614 years excuse me oh So yeah I think we're headed for another 20, but you see it lining up. And the thing with makeup is about who you want to be and I know people are like where are you going with this? But we have to go look back at living conditions- I don't care where you're going. I'm just holding on for dear life We had them to go back and look at Mama Rosie's and my dears relationship She didn't do what she needed to do in life and now she's a burden quote unquote burden on her daughter

58:43 I mean, we have these it's going to be a lot of combined living with the family structure being disrupted the way it is. We live in and this is where I say this. This is the biggest fantasy that we have. Get that through your head. Whether it's a roommate, whether it's whoever... It's a mother and daughter living together? I mean, it doesn't matter. There is practically no other way you can afford anything without a two paycheck household. And that's the trick because this independence they sell you is- You're gonna have to live with somebody!

59:24 Right. Very few people make enough money and what I mean by few is percentage wise that can pay everything they want to pay and live the life of conspicuous consumption anyone participate in true So, I mean, I just want to lay that out there. And one more fun fact isn't amazing how the corset was a sign of restriction and now it's like the one symbolism like of sex work? Yeah you want yeah well You want to have that really tight corset for the curves But these women flapper were trying to shed that That is interesting That's crazy right! I just thought...I mean this is a fun fact about their kind of interesting

1:00:09 While still a prototype for the flapper that was to appear in the following years, Thomas' character shows all the basic characteristics. Longing for pleasure and fun and drastically changing her fashion and appearance She even tried smoking a cigarette for the first time something that was also related to flappers because it was a symbol of freedom Music was also important in the development of the flapper jazz music had emerged largely in black communities particularly in New Orleans in the previous decades. After the first jazz records were recorded by the original Dixieland Jazz Band in 1917, the trend caught fire across the country. An earlier prototype of the flapper attitude can be seen in singers such as Marian Harris who transitioned into an early jazz vocalist beginning around 1917 Her showy jazz tunes filled with personality were a channel that helped to further bring jazz to white communities

1:01:04 Jazz became a staple for flappers because it was fast, fun and great for dancing. It was also scorned by the older generation for being too risque and too closely associated with black communities. Jazz was not just music but also a social force The ideal setting for a flapper would be dancing to fast jazz music while wearing a short dress and drinking illegal alcohol and smoking cigarettes. This was the epitome of rebellion at that time. Youth and rebellion have been a common theme seen in every generation since the 1920s, just in different forms. Enter the twerk! And trap! And trap yes... And TikTok, all the TikTok dances are done to what? Trap. Yep

1:01:48 It's the same, and as he said it's a channel. Jazz was a channel into white communities. Yeah! That's why Megan Thee Stallion is even more valuable because she makes the music that the TikTok is made to Oh man they have really sophisticated the whole process how-it took them 100 years but they really got it down now Well, and the thing was this is the first time ever that marketing to youth rebellion was popular. But it's been used ever since 1920 1950 1960 70 80s every year it's all about the youth everything is for targeted towards the youth rebellion which is not but control opposition yes and thats I would say that probably really started with in this era

1:02:43 With MTV BET, I think that's probably one. Oh wait a minute Hip-hop rap yeah well rap yes exactly Rap was the shit because before most of the time we look at older artists They were adults even in like Aretha Franklin and you know people that they were adults in their prime Rap was the first time where you actually targeted young children to be the, you know, the leaders of the music. You could even take it back a little further one could argue Michael Jackson started with The Crotch Grabbing emulated by Madonna and that... I'm bad! Yeah and it kind of went from there, you know?

1:03:33 Although arguably Elvis the pelvis Presley was also using versions of that with black music. It goes back from 1920s, that's the beginning but every... No I'm just going back in my head and thinking about okay there was that there was that there was that and here we are yeah fantastic which They always do that, you know. They always emulate what's happening in black culture and I got a reason for it or at least an understanding of why they think that is but to go to a flapper where we might understand one...I don't know if you remember her name was Suge Avery in the movie Color Purple. Okay this is very important

1:04:16 that I come clean on this, I don't think we've discussed it. I have not read the book, I have not seen the movie It all came out at a time when i was doing other things wasn't paying attention Have never gotten around to it so I don't even know the plot line Yeah well I'll give it to you in like one minute So basically you have Celie which is sold off to Mister and an arranged marriage Mister basically used her for uh... This is how they portray used her for domestic labor and to, uh, for his sexual needs. Uh, but he's always loved a woman named sugar Avery who was a flapper ideal flapper. Um, she sung in jute joints and had children similar and didn't take care of them similar to my dear

1:05:06 So she was a woman of the streets. And so they end up moving and he moves shook every in the house with him and Celie, and then they form a bond where they beef it first but then they form a bond against Mr.. So it's symbolic or what this whole episode is. This is when he missed which is he I don't want to really get in that, but he's like the prototypical bad guy in Tyler Perry movies now. Like this really bad black man which is really funny his name is Mr., one short letter different from master Don't let that be lost on you So you have color purple, sugar everyone Turn and lose my god damn head What's the matter with you? You crazy

1:06:00 You know, you weak little boy. Case ain't no to his dad hangin' on me! I needs me a band! Ya hear? A BAND!!! And I don't wanna smell no goddamn stinkin' pipe Albert... Get that thing to make something for me to eat. Nah nah, I'll make it myself. So this is her, he brought her into the house with him and I don't want to use the word wife but Celie. The woman that he was like basically using for the mother of his children and even then the flapper was like cussing both of them out so the reason why i brought this up is these women that control their sex appeal and you're saying controlling men through their no sexual abilities

1:07:05 They live in a different world. Attractive women live in a different world, you know what I'm saying? This is why... How can I say this and be politically correct? You'll see two women talking and want to be extremely more attractive than the other but then the other one won't be honest The pretty one won't be honest with the average looking one It's like, no you know you're a 10-2. You're 9-2. No! You go girl! You put it out there. Slay queen! Yes. That's how it's done. So what I'm saying is this goes back and I know people might be getting frustrated with me, but it's this mentality of the media. My enemy here is I'll come to be honest with you my number one target Mickey Mouse right? He gotta go Mickey Mouse gotta go on because he's pumping out a lot of negative energy and the expectation women think they should have

1:08:03 Well, Mickey Mouse owns your ESPN. So you know you got a long way to go before the mouse is gone. Right! That's what I'm saying we all have to stand up to the mouse but the mouse is running stuff right now. Gotta write that down. No, just simplify it right? We had to win in these meme wars and they say Disney and ABC and ABC no Mickey Mouse. Mickey Mouse gotta go But not to get for too far track, what I'm just saying is when you're pretty that's a privilege. And it being a privilege no different than white privilege or genetic privilege or these other things but not to acknowledge it that it benefits certain luxuries in life is dishonest

1:08:59 That's why I played that clip. But, I'm also pointing a pic laying out picture of what the flappers look like because when we look forward this is what we're going to see the downfall of being a flapper so now we have shook Avery she's taking her bath now and Celie is pouring her bath and taking care of it Now let me make clear The woman at the house is taking care of the other woman in her house And they're both getting crap talked to Yeah, this doesn't seem like a healthy situation. It does not. Uh 13. What you staring at? Never seen a naked woman before? You got any cheering? Yes ma'am. Yes ma'am me I ain't that old. Two? Where they at? I don't know. Who are you?!

1:09:48 See me You ain't well Mind your own goddamn business. I feel just fine to say D Now give me some more bubbling oil and put it in the studs You got kids? Yeah. They was my mom and pa. Never know the child to come out right, unless he's a man around. Children...gotta have a pa.

1:10:43 So that just goes to show you even more of the privilege. And I know people are like, where are you going with this Mo? But the color purple itself is one of them major memes in black society. It shaped a lot...I mean because we'll talk about the technology thing all this relates so just hang on for a second The technology of the 80's was the VCR Yes sir You were able to bring Every movie into your house and people will sit out and watch this movie three four times a day Wow, or once the weekend or we played on every weekend on BET You were saying was constantly being pumped in pumped in pump. Okay because you don't have any television I mean no cable or nothing, you know, you have to watch moving and VHS was a big thing and it's came at the right time

1:11:37 time with VHS so they were married together perfectly and embedding that was a lot of means that exist to this day of this bad boogie man black man, of the sisterhood between the beautiful woman is down on her luck and resourceful but less attractive woman. And like we can come together and defeat him. Oh! That's an important one Yes, that's an important back to the slave queen. Oh wow very cool right now We're coming back to the mommy wars and Megan the stallion in Maxine waters coming together This is this this is just another iteration of that Symbolism that we can't be divided. We can't have moms against working women so we got a big combine So we can oh yeah it's been going on for a long time this yes

1:12:30 Yes it has. And the reason why I brought up it being a meme is that in the flapper clips came up the cigarettes, right? So we've heard-we've talked about this before The Tortures of Freedom but I want to go a little bit more deep depth with it and I have a clip from the man himself Edward Bernays on he says cigarettes to women are tortures of freedom one While disapproving of women who smoked, men began to take up smoking in increasing numbers. Partly because a flood of advertisements in what was America's newest mass medium national magazines made smoking attractive These ads evoked the symbolic values many men already associated with cigarettes sexual appeal sophistication pleasure But they failed to persuade women to risk the disapproval of their menfolk by taking up cigarettes

1:13:22 Even George Washington Hill, the advertising genius who made lucky strikes America's best-selling cigarettes couldn't figure out how to break through the social barriers that kept women from smoking. So he turned to a public relations genius Edward Bernays He said we have a problem We're losing half the market in America because there is a taboo against women smoking, particularly smoking in the streets. He said I want your help on that so i said before i can offer you a suggestion or recommendation... ...I would like your authority to visit Dr A.A Brill

1:14:13 who was the leading psychoanalyst of his time. So I went to Dr. Brill and said, can you tell me what cigarettes mean to women? I love the Bernays story and we should just mention that he-his uncle was Sigmund Freud so it ran in the family knowing this psychosomatic of it And he went and talked to Dr. A.A. Brill leading psychoanalysts So this is how I bring forward to the future, I mean to the present. These people do these studies how do we reach this demographic? How do we reach these women and how do we plan their insecurities? Women, let me say this just so that I can speak from a man's side of it products are sold to men different than women

1:15:09 And I find it disgusting the way they sell products to women, right? They would never approach a man the same way they would women when they're trying to sell us products. They usually say men you're great now you want to be better? It's like get this drink this beer drive this car right Women are you ugly are you fat look at your flat hair Look at your no hair don't you hate your hair color? Don't you hate where you look buy this makeup mm-hmm Oh, the makeup made your skin bad. Buy this cream that cream dries your skin out by this oil and what I have and you think it may be crazy but look at the level of expertise they use to sell you death aka a cigarette

1:15:57 Well, what's interesting about now versus then where they went to AA Brill and said you know I'm just probably in your next clip so I won't spoil it. And he said okay this is how you make it work this is why the work Today, that is tested on every individual maybe 25, maybe 100 times a day with algorithmic programming. Did you... Okay did the person respond to this? They scroll past it? Did they tap it? Do they go in deeper? Okay that works! Go back add some more of that I mean that's completely how the algorithms work so they can continuously target you as an individual yes

1:16:38 Everybody has their own little individual Dr. A.A. Brill basically, it says how do we sell this to this person or anything in general sure all right so let's discuss is more on the backside of 15. So I went to dr. Brill and then i said can you tell me what cigarettes mean to women? And As quick as that, he said cigarettes to women are torches of freedom that they use to dramatize their objection to the taboo against smoking by men. And then he added as an afterthought

1:17:33 and they titillate the erogenous zones of the lips. So I left, and wondered what to do with that information? And I decided we would get debutantes to light torches of freedom in the Easter parade to protest man's inhumanity to women by the taboo against smoking within six weeks smoking became an accepted pattern for women throughout the United States. Six weeks! I love this and i believe that this thinking, and i was in advertising public relations all of this

1:18:22 That really started the mindset of how we control people. I've met so many psychologists and psychiatrists in the advertising world, you'd be blown away! And what is controlled by another name? Witchcraft And I know people are going to say, oh, I'm all here. You can go do witchcrafts. Okay? Call me crazy but they use the Easter day parade or Ishtar Tar Day Parade. There it is. Give women's torches of freedom which the Statue of Liberty represents Libertas aka Ishtar

1:19:04 Now for those who... The mother goddess. Yeah, explain Ishtar for those who wouldn't know That is Easter that's the mother goddess that's the goddess of fertility Who you..who we really celebrate on Easter That's where the eggs and bunnies come from See, that's why I said this stuff goes right past our conscious right through our subconscious. And six weeks later smoking is a phenomenon. Isn't that crazy? You think there's not any esoteric play in there come on! I will certainly...I think it was certainly seen as incredible but probably said man that's witchcraft let's use it again. Okay whatever that is working

1:19:47 Let's not get all spooky with it, it is just control. Okay? A coven of witches got together and said how can we sell women this deadly product they say huh let's conjure up something lets call on torches to freedom cool okay And that's just how it happens. And then it becomes a meme and then now you're 66, what was it 1990s? 60-70 years later you have women dying of lung cancer. And then the spell would be the actual marketing words that were used or the tactics. Yes, torch to freedom! That's why I called on them right

1:20:25 So he gave him the idea and then Edward Bernays manifested the idea. Because, okay, Torture to Freedom what did I do with that? He put imagery to it Here was the direct messaging because they did basically... Bernays called friends at Vogue magazine to get a list of the debutantes And then he had his secretary Bertha Hunt sign and send a personalized telegram to each one so there was a woman which was by itself very novel at the time and here's the message. In the interest of equality of the sexes, and to fight another sex taboo I and other young women will light another torch of freedom by smoking cigarettes while strolling on 5th Avenue Easter Sunday. Oh yeah! Strollers? Did you say strolls? Yep, strolled to the pole we are doing this to combat

1:21:23 The silly prejudice that the cigarette is suitable for the home, the restaurant, the taxi cab, the theater lobby but never no never for the sidewalk. Women smokers and their escorts will stroll from 48th Street to 54th Street on 5th Avenue between 1130 and one o'clock." And of course it made front page news and uh in the media did their job and was off to the races and- That's correct! ...and the cigarette advertising soared And the whole time, men were probably saying I'm just speculating here. That's a disgusting habit and if i could I would kick it myself So I don't want you doing it Probably It was like no we want lung cancer too! You know what I'm saying? What?! No like no you don't want those pants ladies My mom smoked when she was pregnant with me Most of the women in my family smoke and they all hated it

1:22:18 I mean it wasn't like a enjoyable thing. No, no! It was always like, I'm gonna have to kick this habit out of here. Right? So the reason why i'm talking about the sources of freedom is and means now we gotta go back to the color purple and we have actually listen in uh... to congress or interview With Margaret Avery, she's the one that actually played the is the one that actually played. She's being interviewed by Margaret Avery sorry about that and this is a very obscure interview I found but I want you to listen to how big an important color purple was at that time on the messages that it pushed

1:23:02 We must do entertainment with responsibility. What people are willing to read comfortably in their own private space and what they can see on the screen comfortably are two different things, and myself as a mother of an 11-year old I was just relieved when I found out that certain things would not be filmed I wouldn't have, as a person been comfortable. It was necessary to explore everything explicitly that was in the book People got the message and i think it was done with taste and I'm real proud

1:23:48 And over, excuse me. And overall Margaret what would you like to say to black people because still some black people are saying that uh...you know the film demeans blacks so what would you like them to understand? Oh shall we get the...yeah let's hold it just a second. That's that bullet phone boy! It's like hold on before I answer that! Right?! No, no. And that's all seriousness but I would watch one cover before we get back to the bullae phone. I got to get that ISO because I meant to give that I knew it was something I was missed from this show But um let's just talk about reading for instance and this is why it's also important about The lady that wrote his article she's an author so reading is a very intimate channel

1:24:38 that you read it and you create the world in your mind, right? This is a very good way to target black women. Of the two sexes on the so-called black side, the women are the readers you know, to sit down and read for leisure. So a lot of these messages was pumped through books the color purple being one of them and a lot of these ideas there was a misogynoir before it was actually termed this would be the epitome of it uh and a lot of people felt like it was problematic and it also pushed the boundaries on black sexuality as well because in the book

1:25:20 Suge Avery and Celie had a sexual relationship. Now that's why Bobby Wygant was saying she's glad they didn't have to explore all of that in the movie because she thought it would be too much, and she actually had reservations about doing the movie. Let's be honest here who are the people behind the movies? Steven Spielberg Yes, and Oprah Right, and they even told this woman that she had to gain weight. It's a very fascinating interview how much she had to go through in getting prepared for this character. But then the question came up about the black people perception of the movie and the Boulet phone ring. I love that! Now, this was a print interview right? That's why it is sound is off... This is just her archive of all the people she has interviewed? Well, its actually recorded but I don't know if

1:26:21 It was print or not, but she's gonna pick up the question. We're going to start right with a boulet phone ring and then we're gonna pick up on the question so there is no question was Can we hear the last 10 seconds? I want to get the full question in context. Yeah, of course we can. To black people because still some black people are saying that you know that film demeans blacks so what would you like them to understand? Hello this is Bob Boulais and i got a little information for you before you answer their questions

1:26:59 Okay, so the feeling that it demeans black folks was when the Boulay phone rang. Right and they had to get us so we can go into 17. And over all Margaret what would you like to say to black people because still some black people are saying that uh You know the film demeans blacks So what would you like them to understand? Oh, shall we get that? Yeah. Let's hold it just a second. Okay I'll pick up my question again Margaret, I know you must be aware that there are still some black people who feel uncomfortable with the color purple Feel that it demeans blacks particularly black men Now what would you like them to understand? The film was not a documentary

1:27:47 In order to represent a people, it must be all factual. And this was an entertaining piece taken from a fiction book I do understand why the controversy and that is because we as black people do not see our images often on film Once we get the experience of having many images in positive negative such as our Anglo counterparts, then we will not think of it as representative of us. You see Year the Dragon was also a controversial issue and I think it was for the same reasons because when you see your image so seldom

1:28:39 You expect it to represent you and a film cannot be entertaining and be burdened with that responsibility. Okay, so you heard the question was changed after the Bulo totally told like nah this made us about black men not black people um And people understood that this character mister was gonna Be uh a problem And fast forward, she was talking about broad representation once we started to get more images of ourselves and more movies made. But in most archetypes when it's a black completely black movie the black men aren't saving people in very few cases he is the problem He's the bad guy I mean look at Tyler Perry who has made a billion dollars off this

1:29:32 archetype. You think you're going to get better representation, but we still see our women and I say our women. Women in general and black women specifically are lead with sex sales. You know what? You're not gonna get a wide representation of our women right it's gonna be one of three or are you gonna either be mammy you're gonna be some kind of sexual object or is is gonna

1:30:14 like just a difficult person. And I mean, if you look at the what was the scandal? That's a perfect representation of that is just this focus on career focused on myself kind of archetype so I say all this to say that just what you said about ESG is it's a thing that I'm coming coin is called conspicuous Consciousness, right? This is what woke is. This is the best way to define woke and do you know what conspicuous consumption is so we have to look at that term to understand conspicuous

1:31:02 consciousness. For the most part, I think it is safe to say that we are all consumers unless you are the person that lives completely off the grid away from society and are completely self-sustaining it is likely that you are a consumer We all use or purchase some goods or services at some point in time It is up to us as individuals to decide what type of consumer we want to be As I journey towards financial freedom, I continue to revisit this question in my mind. What type of consumer do I want to be? So what exactly is conspicuous consumption? Conspicuous consumption is the purchasing of luxury or expensive goods and services in an effort to show people how much you have or in an effort to display a certain type of wealth

1:31:49 The problem comes in because the majority of people who are conspicuous consumers are actually not wealthy. Now, some of these conspicuous consumers may be high income earners they bring in a good income they make good money but they are constantly spending that money in an effort to show people how much they have so in essence These types of conspicuous consumers are slaves to their job, to their paycheck. To those hours that they need to work in order to continue to make that money so that they can spend it Now it is my belief that conspicuous consumers come in all shapes sizes and colors But traditionally you might have heard this before The majority of conspicuous consumers are minorities now I don't know whether you agree with this or not and the data...I think its inconsistent

1:32:36 Well conspicuous consumption CC it's it's interesting how Gucci has two C's in it But conspicuous consumption is the buying things so other people can see them right yeah, so conspicuous consciousness I evoke is I'm doing this so I seem conscious. Right? So, I seem like I am aware... But it's for other people to see and this is what you were explaining with the ESG. And I like this a lot better than virtue signal. I think that it's much richer term.

1:33:16 Because it's like, look at me! Look how woke I am. Look at how I understand black people It's not for understanding black people...it's for your benefit Alright? It's just another product to buy It's just another way to make yourself elite And these people come into our communities, and so on our side of our race. I know you hate that word community but it's really a consciousness right? That is what we refer to as community is the shared consciousness and they want to tap into that for their own personal gains. You follow where I'm going here? Yes, I am simultaneously reading about the guy who coined the term

1:34:05 a sociologist of course, Thurban Vebelen. Of course! This is where these terms come from! 1899 my brother this is 100-120 years ago this is great but that's what we're seeing and the reason why like with our producers and what we do here ourselves, this is not for vanity. We come here to gain understanding from each other and then people sharing that by listening and supporting but it's not just say oh I support Mo and Adam right? Just like to you know to like gain kudos is actually they're doing the work so that's the counter to conspicuous consumption actually trying to gain understanding with someone

1:34:52 for your mutual benefit. After the show and for the next few weeks I'm going to have to think about the overlap between value-for-value as we talk about it, and of course i see it differently but there's for sure Giving me some clarity on the mechanism. I you know we just see it as Here's a product We believe it has value It's more price discovery than anything is if you like it Just attach a value to us and let us know You know what that was and send it to us, and that's that's the value exchange? We're just not locking anybody in but let me be clear what I'm saying and what I'm saying is

1:35:35 Some people might be like, oh that's a black guy and white guy going together. That shows progress let me throw some money at it right? Or it's like did you actually find value in the conversation and then the top is that we broached and its like Oh I actually found value in that And thats the difference cause speak with consumption If you buy something At its price point whatever you decide to be thats for the consumer to be worth its value, then it's not conspicuous. It's a need or something that you're saying but if you say I know this is a poorly made pair of shoes, but because everybody else values it. I'm going to pay $200 for it." Right? Yes that's very different. Yeah thats the big difference right there. However, I want everyone to feel free to see this show as a five hundred dollar pair of Nikes just send us that would be great and we are just some fancy Nike here thats where we are

1:36:32 Alright, so speaking of which I think this would be a good time to take a break and thank our producers. Yes! I love playing little donation bits just to get everybody into the mood. First the white man and black man have to sit down at the same table The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that negro and the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under their rug out on top of table, and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it." And...that is exactly what we're doing here with MoFax with Adam Curry It's a I think where The Real Deal and then those phony balonies Obama and Bruce Springsteen They're the $500 Nike. Oh! I must listen to that because its good. Right? We're

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1:39:07 who is the Duke of America's heartland in the Arabian Peninsula. How come you didn't give him his big baller? Whoa, whoa, whoa! Oh wait it's my big baller I'm so sorry. Big baller's gotta get this thing. Call a 20 inch blaze on an Impala. I'm rusty Moe, I got to get the plays back in my head. Sorry Jackie Now we go to Dave Fucazotto 321-01 And he says, thank you for your courage. Keep up the great education and work any plans for a deep dive into the Tulsa massacre? Which is that did pop up in the news in the past two months so that's probably why he asked for it Yeah but I have to say same thing It had to be the right approach because don't want to rehash history yeah exactly

1:39:53 Yeah, so answer. You know what? Sir Dave it always these things do come up eventually We just got to go with the flow and go down the right rabbit holes And that's when they usually come into play beautiful that way Thank you sir Ross Easterling $200 sends us a link Which actually I'll put the link next to his name in the credits. I think it's a Whitney Webb article about John Hopkins planning to mask trying medical experimentation on minorities as racial justice. I have not looked at the link yet, i can't wait you should look at it too we'll put in the show notes next to credits thank you very much Ross Aaron Kramer $165 says this is the cost for a ticket to hear the author of white fragility speak now this is value for value this is how works I love this idea

1:40:46 All my friends read the book, I read it too. But the information and insight I get from you is far more valuable." I'm happy to hear that! "...I cannot express how hopeful I feel about racial reconciliation in the United States after listening to you two speak... This is in contrast to the despair I felt about the same year ago… I had been mind-controlled into thinking that I could never understand how a person of color feels also known as a colored person, and I now understand that it is worth trying. Thank you Aaron Kramer! Aaron welcome to the tribe this is very healthy to see you talking like this. I like that a lot because we are certainly as white Americans

1:41:28 Yeah, that's in it. That's pushed around all the time and you can't understand You really don't understand you need to listen to this white lady with her book and then you can understand black people. It's fantastic Yeah, it just proves it And by the way, you know Mo and I are what do we have in common? We like hanging out with successful people. We like family and where American men everything else is superficial but We come from completely different backgrounds, so of course there's going to be differences. Welcome to the beauty of the United States and many countries could apply this I would hope $150 from Lanvi Nguyen? Yes! I hope that pronounced that right Excuse me, that's the Tiger Auntie Ah okay in fact starts off by saying you gone and broke down tiger auntie

1:42:21 I wept hard during the last episode when you said WAP stands for We Are People Too. Yeah, I know how she felt Just like those who have to prostitute to survive at some point or another, we are all forced to sell a bit of ourselves whether in compliance taking a fake vaccine so it can keep our jobs. Or in the case of Auntie Maxine, sell her people to lick the crumbs off Pelosi's table As we've learned from recent controversies between Kwame Brown and Dr. Boyce pay attention to The Puppet Masters. And that is what were doing right here. Tiger Aunty? Wow!

1:42:58 Ice. Tiger, I think he came with the heat. Boom! Boom! I just want to say one thing about the prostituting and that's what we're saying... Well, I can't say we. That's what i'm saying in these episodes are made under We Are People You're more than just someone to sell products too you're more than just somebody like a pawn on the chessboard and we all prostitute ourselves in some way Shape or form is somewhere in life. It's not only through sex, but the thing is that with these our women I have to say our women of the mind control is targeted towards

1:43:38 Women specifically because at the end of the day they're the one that bought a majority or products to make their make the decision at the shelf At the shelf right? I mean we uh, so that's why you get targeted in that way and your emotional beings as well. So they tap into it which i find very sick to be honest I was an absolute corporate whore. I sold Budweiser and Skittles, and Neutrogena and all that for a living... And I had a corporate master and I really didn't even realize it! So absolutely spot-on Tiger Auntie but once you do realize it once you choose a different path which is much more complicated often It's very liberating.

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1:51:16 We have Ramon Johnson $50 what do you think about the 1619 project? Okay, Moe. What episode should Ramone be listening to because I know why would you ask me that question You know, I'm terrible with show numbers It's actually called 1619 right? I think we was called 1619 so was that was that we actually titled it Oh Hold on let me why do you always do this with the numbers man? They start to run together uh Why don't I do it because You think it's bad for you. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I don't know any numbers And I'll find the number okay, yeah, you got it at

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1:56:45 David Cialona is our last Associate Executive Producer as we round out this first thank you section of the show and David is very simple, just said thank you. And we thank you and we thank all of our executive producers, our big baller and our associate executive producers for episode 64 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry We will be thanking a few more people later on in this episode. As always, if you want to support us as Value for Value you can boost us through our Podcasting 2.0 app or send us your Kuck Bucks go to mofax.com or go directly to the donation page at mofundme.com Thank you very much for supporting MoFax with Adam Curry! Alright so we came out of a conspicuous consciousness

1:57:34 And what we have to look at is Harlem, because Harlem in the 1920s was ground zero of jazz music. New York was ground zero for flappers and we know Harlem was famously known for the black Harlem Renaissance so we have to go and look back and see who was conspicuously consuming or consuming consciousness at the time. And there's another meme called Miss Anne in the Black Community." I'm delighted to welcome Carla Kaplan to the program and her latest book, Miss Anne in Harlem The White Women of the Black Renaissance has just been published by HarperCollins

1:58:20 A lot's been written about the African-American artists, writers, entertainers and intellectuals who burst onto the public scene during the Harlem Renaissance of the 1920s to the mid 30s. Also well documented are the white men who encouraged this outpouring of creativity and energy with their money and influence but what about the white women who were so drawn to what was happening in Harlem that they risked the derision of their families to be apart of it? What they brought to Harlem and what they gained from it is the subject of Carla Kaplan's book, and of our discussion today. Welcome! Thank you So why a book about the white women of the Harlem Renaissance?

1:59:01 Well, the first answer—the simplest answer is it's an untold story. It was the last untold story really of the Harlem Renaissance and a story we didn't have at all. These were women who were as you say risking extraordinary derision but also who were doing something that in their day was considered unthinkable choosing blackness over whiteness in the 1920s And for so long, that choice ended up in some ways making this an untold story. So the first reason to tell the story is we needed it to fill out the rest of our history. Okay...so I love this show because only on MOFAX with Adam Curry will you hear the genesis of Karen! Miss Anne has got to be the Karen of her day

1:59:50 Well, Karen and Ms. Anne is a little different. Little different but... Well Ms. Anne can end up in Karen so let's just be clear but Ms. Anne is the steering hand behind- the female steering hand behind black movements Right So These people came into Harlem, we're gonna go through I think like three of them and we're going to explore what happened in Harlem and look forward. And see who could possibly be the Miss Anne's now steering the pot in these conversations that you see with Megan Thee Stallion and Maxine Waters and Kaitlyn Greenwich? Who rubber stamped that?

2:00:38 Who gave their approval? I mean, they're not moving autonomously. So i don't have an answer for that this year maybe they outsource miss and to uh katelyn greenwich That could be a possibility that the best miss the best miss ann is a black man sure sure Because they're very they can be very flower under radar so we have to go back like i said 1920's was the origination of this of the youth movement are pushing change through youth, and one of it is Harlem. So we're going to go through these clips so just go ahead and get into them Miss Anne too. Miss Anne where does the term come from? As far as we know, I've done a lot of work trying to figure out where that term first came from It seems to have been a term coined well before the Harlem Renaissance

2:01:33 by black female southern domestic workers who were stuck in the kitchens of white women employers for 12 hours a day, 14 hours a day sometimes 17 and 19 hours a day and could not afford to deride or disrespect those women to their faces. They were employers But behind their back they could refer to them categorically and dismiss them as Miss Anne. So it's the counterpart to Mr. Charlie and Mr. Eddie, which are also derisive terms for white folks. Okay you chose about well there a number of miss Annes in your book but you concentrated on maybe about half dozen or so of them?

2:02:15 The women are each fascinating in different ways, but was there something that they all had in common? There were a number of things they all had in common. One of them was that every one of these women and you're exactly right that the six are very different And in fact, I deliberately chose six who exemplify a range of roles white women played in the Black Harlem Renaissance so that readers could see women who were there with honorable intentions. Who were there with dishonorable intentions and pretty much everything in between but every one of them shared an idea very novel in the 1920's that identity could be something other than biology. Whoa!

2:03:02 Oh, okay. So I keep forgetting that you're from the future so you saw it to that clip before I played it and yes Miss Anne can be Karen in a perfect me yeah miss and could be Karen a perfect example is that is Rachel Nichols and that whole thing going over there is pin She surrounded herself around blackness and she was the queen bee. But then when it started to affect her, her pockets she went straight Karen saying you know their diversity hires who say right? So it's as long as I'm comfortable with it allow you to be but when they get uncomfortable for me then now you know I'll complain about it and that's the problem we're going woke because

2:03:51 Eventually the noodle gun comes out, the cancel cannon hits you if you're not careful. Right because it's a form of consumption so just buy more and more and more You know how can... You never can be your level of conspicuousness needs to go to something that is unachievable So it's never enough She had to be okay with losing her job Now what she said isn't what she said But we're starting to see how these people... And she would consider herself a liberal And all the things she's back with liberal, but when it starts to affect her pocketbook you see a different reaction with her choosing blackness over whiteness. That is being conspicuous conscious

2:04:35 So I think we stopped at two. Let's go ahead and get into number three." And every one of them believed that they could, in essence, volunteer for blackness. Each of these white women was in Black Harlem or writing about Black Harlem in an effort essentially to say sign me up! I want to be black too. This was an idea that was very pioneering in the 1920s and they all shared it They were all rule breakers. Absolutely. They tended to lead with their passions, they were committed to fair play and they wanted to escape from the routine of white middle class or upper-middle class womanhood and all the restrictions that... And they also wanted a sense of purpose is my sense

2:05:30 And that's where the rub comes in. My existence is not an escape for you, you can't volunteer for blackness now You could be a ally but because of the reason when if your volunteering for it, you always can you know revert back? Hold on a second Let's just look at it from another from another angle What if at the time, the white woman's life was so stifling for her because it wasn't like white women were all that much freer. Certainly I mean there was a lot of restrictions on women in the 1920 still and to let loose To just feel like oh my god. I'm in something else they found this in jazz dance Roaring Harlem

2:06:26 That's not necessary. I wouldn't say that's necessarily... I mean, let me see how could you see the way? No, what you said is it's not okay to use blackness to let loose but people do go fishing to let loose. People do a lot of things certainly when it comes to alcohol and drugs and if it's available somewhere You know, that's why you see white crackheads with black crackheads. I don't think that's necessarily taking advantage of Blackness. What i'm saying about Blackness is not enjoying the culture, that's not what I mean. What I'm saying is you actually trying to be Black

2:07:10 It's a lot. You can never be that, I mean you could never fully experience it That just like if i today wanted to transition to woman I can never ever full experienced the fullness of a woman I don't care how much it I try right there are certain things that I will never be able To experience and If I'm coming in a place of that's who or how I truly feel as one thing but as the late Carla Kaplan says it was a form of escapism So the knowledge I would say is, just say you have women in your kitchen cooking and you're like, You know what? This housewife stuff. Well this living in this house is boring Let me come in there and cook with you for a minute Like...You have the option to come here and cook And when you get tired you can go sit back in your living room and drink a nice glass of cool lemonade I'm here because these are the circumstances

2:08:07 Right? And that's what I'm just saying. You can't, and then I'll say this you can't volunteer for another person's culture you just can't unless you completely embrace it now for instance say if you want to see this white or maybe Native Americans would not care. That's just being disingenuous again like Rachel Dolezal you know thats just disingenuity Well hold on now I see Rachel Dolezal is different See, she fully embraced it. She was living as a black woman illegally so all the things that came with it whereas I would say escapism would be Black Lives Matter... But she didn't live that through her formative years. She decided that all of a sudden later in life Right but she accepted everything that came with it You know what I'm saying? It's kind of like reverse passing

2:09:07 We're going to get into that, but I don't want to stress it. Let's get into the Ms. Anne and how they operate because I'm speaking from a place of knowing how this plays out. Okay, okay. I got you. I want you to hear it and then you'll see what I'm talking about. Fair enough being being in just experiencing is different Charlotte Osgood Mason. Very different type of, very different Miss Anne tell us about her and much older this is in part a book about two generations of white women who became involved in black Harlem an older generation which Charlotte Osgood Mason in many ways exemplifies and younger generation now Mason like Schuyler was involved in black politics partly for her own reasons again she wanted a wider social sphere she wanted to make a difference

2:09:58 But Charlotte Osgood Mason, she's one of the most complicated figures in this book. She believes and I quote her now that she is a black god. She also thought she was the world psychic physician. Her husband had been a famous spiritualist and she believes that certain people they have to be very special people can channel psychic vibrations and she believes she can do that so effectively that she can heal the world She's also a primitivist. She believes that American white mainstream Western culture is played out, washed out, dried out, depleted and the way it can be healed is to channel primitive energies the energies of so-called childlike people like Native Americans and African. Exactly! So what she sets out to do very deliberately

2:10:51 She is going to build a bridge from primitive Africa to washed out America and the bridge is gonna be through Black Harlem. Okay, that's different. It's not okay if you really want to live it you would give up all your personal possessions and start out at the bottom right? If you really want to live it, yeah right but it's no I want to come in as a black God For you primitive people because I'm here to be your Savior. Yeah, that's a total different thing It's like I want to bring my privilege in and maintain higher status in your culture Is that so what my privilege benefits me? Is that also a little bit would record companies do these days?

2:11:39 What about what house of a hip-hop record record company that? Well look who buys Who buys Megan the stallion records is white girls, right so they want to be happy They want to experience through through the music. Yes comes from a deep long history kind of Mm-hmm yeah, and it's like the AV the African American vernacular Same thing is I can pick this up and put it down whenever i want to. It's by choice, nobody wants to be on the bottom by choice so that's where we never align and she comes in and her perspective is black people are primitive they're childlike

2:12:31 And she has to be their savior. The only thing that bothers me about this particular topic is I have it myself, it's so... when I'm talking to you and call the code switching whatever you want it to be Look, I talk to Dvorak in a certain way, I talk to good old boys here a certain way call it code switching, whatever. But it becomes complicated for me personally when you say you can't just pick it up and put it down whenever you want so if I'm like... If I send you an emoji that's 100. I literally do that to no one else. No! What I'm talking about is pick it up let's like say for instance just because I go to a Thai restaurant enjoy Thai food

2:13:22 doesn't make me part trying to participate in that culture. I put, you're saying I enjoy what they provide to the, and I don't want get killed for this but the melting pot of America right? And with what we kind of do, we exchange different things right? Sure. You know like white music if you listen to white music doesn't mean you wanna be white right that kinda thing is a difference when you try to embed yourself into a culture and say, okay I know what's best for you all. It's like you going out now saying, You know what? I know was best for everyone in the black community that kind of thing. You come in a place of learning to say okay how can I understand and it's like see first understanding to be understood but these people came in with I know how to fix their problems on board where I'm at so it's a win-win got it

2:14:15 You see the difference? But just so you know, it's incredibly uncomfortable for me to be myself. Because I know if one of my stepdaughters caught me doing that with you she'd go ape shit over it. Why?! That's the thing about it! Yes thank you why exactly just letting you know I self-censor myself in these situations, which is uncomfortable. And that's the power of the youth movement going back to why they start with the kids because the kids shame their parents into whatever the mass media thinks is deemed acceptable. Whatever they deem acceptable, the children set that standard now it's complete reverse world

2:14:55 Where the parents usually set what the standard is for the kids, it's completely opposite now. And I would wager that's because uh... The kids are much more savvy They- They- They- The parents used to control the television, the kids control the internet Right! For now Yeah, for now of course For now, I mean that's the thing. Just like with television The kids had the free time to watch television But once you know if we got figured out it was like hey We need to take control over this then adults come in a room So it is just the maturation process and im not saying all Ms Anne are bad Or people that try to come in the community help because I want to talk about we're going to go back to show 52 and talk about Mary Ann Williamson. And how she talked about reparations on the debate stage. This is part of the dark underbelly of American society, racism, bigotry and the entire conversation

2:15:46 conversation that we're having here tonight. If you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then I'm afraid that the Democrats are going to see some very dark days and the underlying cause has to do with deep, deep, deep realms of racial injustice both on our criminal justice system and in our economic system. And the Democratic Party should be on the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason." You have been at forefront of the discussion of reparation. We're almost out of time, can you just give me a two second distillation? Yes I want to make America whole and uh country is like an individual you can't have the future you want until you clean up the past so that's my point here we're going to humanize these people we never dehumanized people uh they say everything they did was bad just like Marianne Williamson i think she was coming from a place of good nature

2:16:45 Now, the thing is I don't think that people fully understand what they're... I hate to use the word dabbling. But what they're dealing with when you start to improperly try to unpack this complex problem or complex situation we call race No, it's just not as simple as going down and marching on Saturday. I don't take anything away from those people. A BLM sign is not gonna fix it overnight But people think well conspicuously I've done my part or out of good faith they can say I've done my part but you have the option not to care. I'm not saying people have to care but if you're gonna care

2:17:36 actually come in with understanding and being an ally. You hear these words thrown around, but a lot of people don't believe in what they're doing You feel what I'm saying? Yes, of course. And at 56, I look back...I would say since I turned 50 for sure, I look at a lot of stuff like oh my god! I was so stupid what an idiot and a lot of people will grow up will mature and come to have to come the terms with what they were a part of and they will probably feel pretty dumb

2:18:14 We all do it. That's just human nature to look back and say, man if I knew what I knew then now... But what we have to understand is like where this misinformation comes from and a lot of it comes from outside sources in our life And that's the whole point on trying to point out here. And I just want to show next, continuing on with Mary Ann Williamson When you dabble into things, you may unconsciously unlock real pain. Oh yeah I love this clip! Right? 24. We see it today and we even see it to some extent in our own country very dangerously so is when hatred becomes a social and political force. We must make love a social and political force and that has to start with us So for those of you who would like to participate in this

2:19:05 I'm going to now lead us in an apology from white Americans to African-Americans on behalf of our country, to you and your ancestors. And to all your people. So the African-Americans in the room who would wish and be willing to participate in this please stand up And now I'd like to ask white Americans who are sitting near you, to please stand up and if the African American citizen would be willing to allow a white American who wishes to apologize to you and take part in this to hold your hands. Please accept my apology this night. It is for you and for your grandparents...and their grandparents before them

2:19:58 and their grandparents before them. What is someone whispered to you in there? I heard something like black magic or something. No listen again, okay? I wanted to bring it up. I'm glad you caught it yourself. Let's listen

2:21:02 Asked the black man to go I couldn't I want a black man to go over and that is the epitome of what? I'm saying y'all unlock all this pain all this hurt, and then leave it for us to clean up It was a white woman who was crying, who was flipping out? Yes! No it's a black woman crying. So let me just paint the picture. You have a black woman standing in the center and all these white people like kind of putting hands around her you know what I'm saying like... Like that is some powerful shit man. You have no idea what can happen when you channel energy like that That's my point and then you- Witchcraft! I say..I'm just saying

2:21:47 I'm just saying, what my point is with this clip is you open that door to generation after generation after generation of pain and it's like oh well we're the black man. You're the black man over there right whoa whoa whoa but when this this is what it's the microcosm or what the media is doing with this misogynoir this pitting black men and black women against each other, and they truly think they're helping. I don't think there's some bad actors, there are some good actors in it, some of them are just like, well i think its gonna help? Let us open that door! And then when it gets to Harry what is behind that door, he says, well Black man because you don't want

2:22:36 You don't want to send a white man over because she might be triggered. Great case in point, I don't want to belabor the point but exactly that's exactly my point and you open all these doors and these channels for people...I think Mary Ann Williamson was coming from a good place some people might disagree of course it could be a win-win for her that she brings up these real topics going on When you open that door, are you ready? Are you really ready for that repressed pain and anguish and emotion that comes with it.

2:23:22 And you are, I gotta give you credit because you're still here after 63 episodes. You didn't open the door like well let me do it. You actually show up and it's gonna be like Malcolm said, I'm going to be offended, you're going to be offended but guess what? We're gonna keep pushing through and that's actually doing the work of being uncomfortable Yes, well I love my country. Mutually! Mutually! And sometimes I'll uncut them so like you know... But it's not just here coming in there like the person said and that white fragility but your back come here for three hours four hours say you're bad Adam and this is why your bad Adam this is why you're bad. You understand? It's like okay oh yeah but I don't mean exactly Well I come here because I love my country I want to understand it better because I'd love my country I love you

2:24:15 And I want to make it better if I can, but I can't do anything if I don't understand. And what they should have done was like okay let a white person or black person sit down and have a real conversation instead of going this psychic tapping into the energy man that's very dangerous and that I mean I'm saying that from even a therapy standpoint you just can't jump into somebody and say hey go to your darkest place You know in therapy, so I'm just okay With hands on with hands on that can be really and I've done some therapy it can be really intense right So I guess we go back to me. I just want to paint the picture of a modern-day miss Anna how that looks and Humanizer like we mean we black Maryanne Williamson We were saying she was on this show who had her own the show now I wasn't but for a while there I was a proponent over

2:25:11 Well, because what she's saying is there is some dark energy behind this and there's a lot of pain behind this. It's very true but you just can't go in kicking open doors unless you're ready for it She was a little bold on that one And by the way I think that hurt her presidential run severely It did. Well and that goes to show you that academia looks at her like a kook So you think many different ways. While in reality, just by speaking spirituality and religion we don't have to go down the road of what she's doing here is much closer to black America than white America in many aspects That's correct and let's get back with Mrs Anne and see these same people like Charlotte Osgood Mason And now we're talking more about what she believed

2:26:10 She is one of the most important philanthropists of the Harlem Renaissance, one of the most important white underwriters of black culture. But she does this because she's going to heal modernity by channeling black energy so she comes in with a very set agenda on the other hand she has an enormous pocketbook this woman has virtually unlimited funds And she has an incredible eye for genius. And she supports people like Zora Neale Hurston, Langston Hughes did you also support financially Elaine Locke? She supported Elaine Locke he was the one who stays with her

2:26:49 right up basically until her death. How about County Cullen? Was he a beneficiary? County Cullen was not a particular beneficiary, although she would have liked him to be. She went after all of the geniuses of the Harlem Renaissance and she recognized their genius this is enormously meaningful to them so Zora Neale Hurston and Langston Hughes and Elaine Locke in particular Were able to do much of the cultural work they did because of her large ass. That's right But while she was very generous, she was also monstrous. She was demanding critical controlling of her protégées Who they called her Godmother? Was that the term? They called her godmother and she insisted on being called godmother by them but also by the white protégés She was supporting Hmm like fairy godmother

2:27:37 Like Godmother, godmother. But this is my point if you're coming in to say okay are you here to give these people an amplifier to their message? Or are you here to control and dictate their message? Right so I just want to point that out that very few people give their black understudy creative control You see it with record labels That's why- And its a phenomenon and let me just take a quick aside When artists first come out, their mixtapes and things be really good. But once they get signed and you have to sit in that room where you have 12 people who are not tapped into the culture of deciding what songs go on the album... They flop! Because it's control is like oh this would be great! This is a catchy tune! You know? That kind of thing

2:28:30 But that's just a quick aside. So we see the controlling nature of Mrs Anne, or Miss Ann excuse me We're going to continue on with another Miss Anne Fannie Hurst Tell us about Fannie Hurst My least favorite Fannie Hurst is the character in this book who most exemplifies for me a white woman who comes into Harlem really for her own advantage and truly for her own purposes So, she is there principally to write Imitation of Life which is...I think most people know as a movie rather than as novel and she's there largely because her friendship with Zora Neale Hurston. Always one of the most uneven friendships in American interracial literary history. Really? Yep! It was always a friendship in which Zora Neale Hurston called her Miss Hurst lifelong and Fanny always called her Zora and Fanny Hurst was very patronizing

2:29:28 And her idea for Imitation of Life was given to her by Zora Neale Hurston on a road trip. And Hurst is sitting in the back seat while Hurston drives, the entire time she sits in the backseat like something out of Driving Miss Daisy right? But it's driving miss Hurst and the book was a blockbuster hit. Blockbuster! But it contained a lot of stereotypes and a lot black dialect and her friends in Harlem felt betrayed by the book. Well now it was a blockbuster for white readers almost everything Fanny Hurst did was a blockbuster I mean in terms of sales we have to remember Fanny Hurst was the Stephen King of her day she's the best-selling author of her time So, Fanny Hurst covers in with Zora Neale Hurston Let me ask you question Wait before you launch into that

2:30:22 Now did you already know about Fannie Hurst? Is this something you've known about for years or is this part of the rabbit hole that you went down? No, this is when I started. Rabbit hole! All of this is rabbit hole... You always know about outside money behind these movements. I knew about Elaine Locke but when I started digging back more into Elaine Locke This was probably a year topic I kind of earmarked to say who was behind him and this gives me a perfect opportunity and backdrop to discuss this, to say the same way Megan Thee Stallion is being steered the same way back then they were being steered the same way. Yes and Fannie had very close ties with Eleanor Roosevelt so she was... I did not know that! She was high Illuminati

2:31:15 white supremacy. And then on the other side, Zora Neale Hurston was very into the hoodoo and voodoo stuff. Yeah. So just to lay that out there but it's one point I want to point out Zora Neale Hurston gave Fanny Hurst the idea for Imitations of Life and Imitations of Life well let's just get into the trailer we'll discuss more after the clip. I'm white Starring Lana Turner as the great stage star Laura Meredith, the men in her life John Gavin.

2:32:02 Dan O'Hurley, Robert Alda. If the Dramatist Club wants to eat and sleep with you, you will eat and sleep with them. It's disgusting! It pays off. Her daughter Sandra Dee, Susan Conner who was born to be hurt I don't want have to come through back doors or feel lower than other people for apologize my mother's color she can help us But I can. Juanita Moore, hers was the shame and the pain. There Jane Johnson! You put your clothes on and get out of this place And the incomparable Mahalia Jackson. I'm not asking you not to go down there Laura, i'm telling you. What makes you think that right? Because I love you isn't that enough

2:32:55 No, Steve. I'm sorry All the kids talking behind my back is it true? Are you black? No! I am as white as you You're lying! I'm not! I'd like to hold you in my arms once more Like he was still my baby Alright Oh, Sarah Jane Oh, my baby Mama An invitation Limitation of love So this that clip made me really miss my mom because she was such a movie buff and she would always talk about Lana Turner and Sandra Dee And I am sure she would have had seen this movie and would have she probably would have said It was the precursor to the switch movies like big. He

2:33:58 You know, like big or where... what are the other ones? Where you swap places with someone in some incredulous way. I'm familiar when you wake up your parent or you know Yeah yeah exactly because this was about passing correct Correct and it was a little bit more than that so This that was the trailer from the 1959 movie. The original movie was made in 1934 off of Fannie Hurst's book So what we're gonna do now is go back from the TMC network they did a break

2:32:55 No, Steve. I'm sorry All the kids talking behind my back is it true? Are you black? No! I am as white as you You're lying! I'm not! I'd like to hold you in my arms once more Like he was still my baby Alright Oh, Sarah Jane Oh, my baby Mama An invitation Limitation of love So this that clip made me really miss my mom because she was such a movie buff and she would always talk about Lana Turner and Sandra Dee And I am sure she would have had seen this movie and would have she probably would have said It was the precursor to the switch movies like big. He

2:33:58 You know, like big or where... what are the other ones? Where you swap places with someone in some incredulous way. I'm familiar when you wake up your parent or you know Yeah yeah exactly because this was about passing correct Correct and it was a little bit more than that so This that was the trailer from the 1959 movie. The original movie was made in 1934 off of Fannie Hurst's book So what we're gonna do now is go back from the TMC network they did a break

2:34:35 down on the movie. Just to break down the characters before we do that, Bea is The White Woman, Delilah is The Black Woman which Delilah itself was a funny name to use considering you know the implications with Samson and taking the man down but uh... I digress. Then you have Jessie as the black- white daughter and Piola as the black daughter that can easily pass for white so just set it up let's go ahead get into 28 Imitation of life ended up having just this extraordinary impact on the African-American community because it was really the one Hollywood film of the Depression era that suggested there was such a thing as a contemporary race problem in America. I'm not black, I won't be black! Tells the story of two women, A black woman and a white woman

2:35:31 Good morning. Each is without a husband, each has a young daughter to raise at one point in the movie the black woman is preparing breakfast for the white woman The white woman's so impressed with her pancakes I've never tasted anything so good in all my life how do you make them? It's a secret and it's gonna die with Delilah She gives the recipe to be white woman The white woman eventually markets a mix based on that recipe And then in one sequence that today is unbelievable to us, the white woman offers the black woman a 20% interest in the company. Well of course this was very kind of the white woman particularly since without the black woman there would have been no company whatsoever. Now here are papers for you to sign but if I sign them then what? Then you'll have a twenty percent interest in the Art Delilah Corporation You will be rich

2:36:27 Heartache comes to the two women in imitation of life because of their daughters and for the black woman, The great heartache comes when her daughter decides across the color line and pass or white. Wow! Did she say Aunt Delilah? Yeah, Delilah is the black woman's name that came up with the recipe. And it was funny in a sequence, yeah the pancake sequence She's like nah I'm not saying that's my secret and then instantaneously she tells her Whispers in the air. Yeah, yeah the secret that she says gonna die with her Wow She uh B takes the pancake mix creates a Successful product out of her recipe and then gives her 20%. Yeah. I'm not sure that's good math but anyway But it didn't God says this

2:37:23 Unbelievable, but I don't know if he's being sarcastic and he also says kind so i dont know if hes being sarcastic and saying that maybe she should have got more or is it unbelievable that she gave her anything? I mean its very mad how he said that. least ten times and I can't quite pick on the nuance. And just so we have a full, this is what we do when they don't do anywhere else there's a term in the black community It's called that's mighty white of you. So it is used in between us to say if somebody does something for you, they should do but they try to make a big deal out of it when you said that's mighty wide of you just full disclosure and this is what happens so safe for instance

2:38:16 I'll borrow your car right and now black a out of my barge your car, and I put some gas in it. I like this mighty white of you because you supposed to put gas people car if you borrow it but I mean just give me some. I think that's what he was saying when he said that, when he was being tongue in cheek about that's kind or unbelievable. He was saying it in a roundabout way like you should- It's her recipe You should give her a cut Or at least half of cut So I just want to lay that out That is not only about the passing The passing and small portion of the movie The bigger portion Is the business relationship between Bee and Deliah

2:39:04 No, I'm just still processing the mighty white. That's actually new to me. It's like basically... You want a cookie for that? No, no, I understand it! I understand it. I just hadn't heard it. I've heard white people in New York in the late 80s, white people go, that's mighty white of you You know, as what did that mean? What did it mean exactly exactly what you just said but you but and you just said no this is how we talk and We say that's mighty white of you. I didn't know that that was still going on the make sense I don't know if people still use it. I mean with this my generation older generations will use it to say like, you know Simultaneously, I was trying to think if If we have something where we'd say something equivalent, I don't think I don't believe it's there

2:39:54 I don't think so either. But like I said, it's just the same thing as Miss Anne wants to be patting on her back for doing what was the right thing. No, I don't want to detract from the flow. I'm just stopping because I didn't know that. No! I'm saying that for people who fully understand how he is saying it analyzing the movie and I think that's what he wanted to say without actually saying that term. He said it in a roundabout way. And I just want to stop you there for one second Moe, anybody who is listening Please show me where the Bruce Springsteen Barack Obama podcast goes down deep like this. Please show me that! If you don't feel like it, you can just boost us if you don't feel like it send us a boost It is...that's superficial I appreciate you so much Moe this was great So let's just get into 29 The director John Stahl was determined

2:40:51 to find a white-looking black actress to play this light skinned young black woman. They turned their eyes in New York City and that's where they saw Freddie Washington, and Freddie Washington was known as the girl with the boys name. The black girl with the green eyes. The black girl who looked white. Early in her career, she had been urged to pass for white that she would have a chance at a big career and she refused She said in essence she could never be anything other than what she was Freddie Washington told me that the one line in Imitation of Life that she hated

2:41:35 was the line when she said that she wanted to be white. And Freddie Washington said that the character, she felt didn't want to be white for the sake of whiteness. She wanted to be white, to have the same chances that everybody else in that house was going to have. On one hand, the black audience really did pick up on the thing she wanted – white opportunities and that they could understand and connect to

2:42:20 But the audience could not accept her rejection of her mother and in essence, her rejection of her culture. Wow! Very good... This is Oprah narrating right? No! That sounds like Oprah. Whoever that guy is, he's got a career sounding like Oprah. Well this is the point why I was saying about Miss Anne and why it's like if you heard like the black audience was how can you give up owning your mother. Right? That's a real, like how can you give up your culture and your color that's a tall order so when we see people volunteering for blackness in the Miss Ann's they're looked at the same way but just an opposite way like how can you give up whiteness or your family I mean this is why it's built-in distrust

2:43:18 When you have people dealing like this, it's like hold on wait wait wait. You're gonna turn on your own family? And that's where the term race traitor comes in there. It's like whoa right of course even though it's ripe. If you turned on your own family then I think I'm underneath your family right so you could easily turn on me mm-hmm So that's why We're in a relationship when you talk about, and we all know race doesn't exist in the form of actually being real thing. It's it's a sense of legality and that's where white versus whiteness comes in people get degrees because they want to experience whitened not be white is what I mean by why is we talked about this on I think no seaboard effect? We wear masks because we want

2:44:19 you know, fit in and not be seen as political. Right? It's like, you know, not wearing a mask has a certain political connotation to it right and this is like I just want to go out the store and not be looked at or funny so we put the mask on You understand what i'm saying? Whiteness is the same way. I think I told you about my experience going to Whole Foods a couple months ago and deciding I'm tired of it I'm going in without a mask Right. Did I talk to you about this? Yeah, I think we talked about it not at this example but i think we talked about another experience go ahead oh well so just now because I was like I'm gonna walk in and see what happens I got a mask on my back pocket so I can always be compliant if I have to but the whole ride 20 minute ride

2:45:11 I was thinking about it, like how will people look at me strange? And I thought this may be the closest I could ever come to feeling how Mo sometimes may have felt or may still feel in certain situations. And that's my point is when you have to think about it, that's it. That's all working right there No I totally agree and it was the first time that I really Recognized like oh this is probably close to kind of what it feels like not in an actual situation but just having to think about it on your way to a certain situation And that mask in your back pocket is a PhD. Exactly, that's why I called it out. That's no problem. I was good with it now. You see what i'm saying? That's that mask. Yes yes and It shouldn't have to be that way but it is that way if you prescribe to the racial narrative

2:46:15 Now what I do is, I move about freely. You know you get to the I'm sure you got to the point now where it's like, oh give a rat's ass about wearing mask or not. You know what I'm saying? If somebody say something to me that we had to deal with, I'm sure you've gotten to that point now right? Well it was during that first experience when no one looked at me No one cared, no stink eye. I was very surprised There was only one other person not wearing a mask Once I'd gone through that experience and for my feeling of good experience like okay Now I don't care anymore Now imagine that being hard-baked in for all your life. This is why I bring it up, of course! Of course, of course that's why I bring it up. I say it for my fellow white people That was a very interesting experience for me

2:47:04 So now you can understand how seductive passing is and just a couple of things. We just go back, Zora Neale Hurston was fair skinned Now she wasn't fair enough to pass which I think has to be the most tortured way to be because you'll never be accepted fully Because people assume that you have privilege cause your light-skinned And you'll never be accepted in whiteness but your so close So I think that's part of where this movie came from because she gave the story to Fanny Hurst. And the other part is with the pancake recipe, she was like, Fanny, I gave you this story and I'm sure she... You see what? This is art playing out on screen. Real life playing its way out on screens as art

2:47:49 The relationship between Zora Neale Hurst and Fannie Hurst because like, are you just gonna take my pancake recipe and give me 20%? If she got that. You see what I mean? Like I gave you the recipe! Uh...I just don't have the infrastructure to y'know make it a company. Alright so let's be real here Moe for second yes sure so when we first started doing this podcast how long did it take before you finally, how many episodes before you said okay Curry is on the up and up he's not gonna try and create control the content or any of that? The day one when you didn't have any give me any expectations the company like I was gonna sound talk. Yeah, okay Because there was no and I mean just for full clarity I mean we would have a gentleman's agreement that we split whatever we make yep You know and that's dad. That's what it is And it was but see if you lay out up front and use

2:48:45 B would have said to Delilah, you know what? This pancake recipe I could do something with it. How you feel about 20% of the business if Delilah signs it, I have no problem with it. Right but it came after the fact. It's after the fact is like now that we had it rolling, it was like oh now we're going to talk numbers so just and we breaking up for wall again but this It's a very fluid situation when you talk about race because all these things are baked in. You see all the artists that die broke, you see all the athletes that died broke and you wonder like how did this happen? Or you see the black people taking the heat and their Ms. Anne behind them live unescathed. Like you didn't hear anything about Fannie Hurst, you know what I mean? No no

2:49:39 Right, if it goes left she just gets to go back and live in her ordinary life. So I just wanted to say that one more thing I just want quick side on the actress of Freddie Washington this is why representation is important and why the conversation between Adolf actors and not Adolf actor playing black roles You had to have somebody be able to internalize what it says and say, I want to be white. Because only a person experienced that or had the option could channel that real feeling and bring it across on screen so I just wanna make that quick point as well.

2:50:18 But moving on, number 30. On the one hand the black audience really did pick up on the thing that she wanted white opportunities and that they could understand and connect to but the audience could not accept her rejection of her mother And in essence her rejection of her culture Why, feel it child. I'm your mammy! Boy that's ridiculous...I never saw you before in my life What is the meaning of this? This woman doesn't know what she is talking about

2:50:57 Do I look like her daughter? There's a great sequence. It's at the end of a party that Claudette Colbert, the white woman has given and now she's made all this money off this pancake recipe and at the end of the party she and Delilah played by Louise Beavers they're talking and Delilah is still subservient And at the end of the evening they say goodnight to each other and as they go to their separate quarters, we see this beautiful home that really Louise Beaver's pancake recipe has built. We see Claudette Colbert ascend up the steps and Louise Beavers descends downstairs And it's visually just striking that John Stahl has just put it there So this is even after

2:51:52 She's become successful. She owns 20% share in the business she still lives with this white woman be in the basement not having her own dwelling and she plays a Submissive role to her because in the scene she Beats our feet up on the couch, and Delilah is rubbing her feet now these are two rich women right so I'm just saying that you see this same thing now that A lot of times people don't want to go out on their own and build their own thing. They want to live in the basement other people things well, yeah That's a mental prison that's a mental prison lots of people are in most people are in that probably Most people are Anna yes And that's the thing is you would think they would be sisters and I'm extrapolating a lot of stuff here or no from these small clips but

2:52:47 When you look at it, it's like okay. Why is she living in a house with her still? Because its comfortable It's comfortable You see what I'm saying? Its like I don't want to go out on my own and live under this And this why you get the Oprah's and all the other people that deal with these big white corporate media companies Its like why dont'cha go out on your own and create your own thing Well it's comfortable here No, I'd rather just have my 20% and this is phenomenal. Somebody mentioned it in the notes with Kwame Brown and he's bringing up this thing Mama's Cooking and calling out these people that actually put the battery in the backs of many Boulay members let's call it what it is. He called us to go along a get-along game but we've been calling it the Boulay and its basically you have a nice room in their house

2:53:47 We need to be building our own houses. Now we could do business with whoever, but you have to have your autonomy. You see what I'm saying? But this is hundreds of years of trauma that has to be broken Right! And that's why...we don't- we got a rover on Mars So I mean, I think we can do it Even the Chinese got a rover on Mars, people. Let's get it together! Yes I'm just saying like... We do it here every episode That's just a great one to use on the kids too Listen there is a rover on Mars you can do those chores Right! I don't see why people find things so hard But let's go to 31 Fiona You're back? Yes mother

2:54:37 And I want to tell you how sorry I am for what I did to you. Oh, that's all right Come come baby and sit down You don't feel like you're really here standing so far Mother, I've done everything you wanted me to. I went to that school and tried to be happy there to please you but I just couldn't bear it! I couldn't...I had to get away! I understand baby we're gonna forget all about it now It's alright But it isn't alright mother I want to talk to ya I'll go upstairs Delilah No Miss B You stay please I want you here too Once my little baby got on her mind

2:55:24 I want to go away. Go away? Go where, Peola? By that I mean...I want to go away and you mustn't see me or own me or claim me or anything! Even if you pass me on the street You'll have to pass me by Oh no, Peola! It's terrible of me, Miss B But you don't know what it is To look white and be black You don't know. I'm not going this way any longer! I can't give up my baby. I bore you, I nursed you...I love you. I love you more than you can guess. You can't ask your mammy to do this. You've got to promise me mother. I am your mammy child! I ain't no white mother! It's too much to ask of me. I aint got the spiritual strength to beat it

2:56:31 I think I need a little context around that one. Okay, so what's happening is Delilah's daughter, let me lay out the characters again. So Delilah's daughter, Piola she looks white because her father is very light skinned So she grows up living in the house with B and Delilah and Jessie, the white girl. And so long as she's living in this white house and looks white, She eventually just wants to share her blackness. Share her mask right? It's like I don't want to wear this mask anymore

2:57:24 where she wants to actually wear the mask so she can not be bothered. I mean, bother the metaphor? So that's what she's asking her mother like don't if you see me walking down a street keep on going Don't acknowledge me You gotta let me go so i can be free right and that's why the audience had a real problem with accepting this movie in the 1934 iteration which 25 years later was made again. So they show you these things are very powerful, that's why they keep moving them and keep making them excuse me so come on this thing I can't give you up you're saying you my child yeah right? This is going to show you when you build up things in other people's... When you let other people set the value this is bound to happen right your children are gonna try to go away from it

2:58:14 And the way I tie this in is when you go back to Mama Rosie, she wanted her kids to go out of school. But when you go out of school, you learn new ideas and you lose appreciation for the old ideas. Does that make sense? Yeah yeah yeah! Of course I am. Of course got it okay. I just want to make sure because it's kind of loopy so I just wanted to make sure uh everybody else is following along as well that it's a double-edged sword When you validate yourself by whiteness, or you validate yourself by- and it's not even about white. We're not talking about color here! We're talking about the expectations of the mass

2:58:51 agenda. The one world, I mean which we call white supremacy the one world government is like this is what acceptable wearing a mask taking the jab critical race theory all these things this is what's acceptable and if you don't subscribe to it then... You're off your reservation! Right, so I mean but when you do that it's always going to come back and bite you in the butt eventually. And Delilah she loved staying with Bee and she had her home money You know what i'm saying? She was a part owner at a very successful company but she never moved out of our house. Now it comes back home to Roots because your own child doesn't want to be what you identify as Because she lived in this other reality

2:59:40 And she has the ability to, you know what I'm saying? Take part in it. Got it. Same thing with education that's why I'm tying to education when these people get these degrees they think they can operate and whiteness because they had their freedom papers yeah but along with it comes a whole bunch of responsibility of toeing all the rest of the lines out to be told It's messed up man Yeah! But I always say it starts with us It starts with noise. This is what I appreciate so much, and a lot of it's already here with us

3:00:18 Right, so what we're gonna do now is just for the sake of time I think 32 was kind of redundant. So 33 We're gonna get it's okay. So this is this is the hot button issue right here Cancel cannon out thank you an appropriate soul put a kiss okay, man Oh Women want to be worshipped and we see this in modern even modern art. This goes back to the Miss Anne's want-to-be called Godmother and their gods, you know Feminists, they're the mother goddess and these kind of things You see it movies like that help right? The black women are following along behind the white women Are you saw with Game of Thrones with Khaleesi?

3:01:09 I think her name was Denarius Targaryen. She was the great liberator, the mother dragon right? The mother of dragons and she was liberating all the brown people this blonde pale white woman you're saying these things play out but what they do is they can convince women especially black women that they are God themselves now that may sound crazy to you Adam And they're meant to be worshipped and this is their appreciation, this is the whole worship thing that we see going on. It's just not enough to appreciate women you have to bow down to them and this thing has been festering on our side for a very long time and appropriate so this is Cannon's class Nick Cannon The black woman as God and he's talking to Godfrey White scientists have been digging up bones out of Africa getting upset going fuck

3:02:01 Another boom! And it's traced to the black woman. Which are the most disrespected on the planet? Not disrespecting any other women, you're all beautiful. You all matter. You all give birth but you all other than black women are put on pedestals Black women need to be up there too. I mean, they're over-sexualized and disrespected too much especially by us! Yeah, I say the black woman is God and when you think about the humility in which that comes from when we think about the origin of the motherland where we all come from at some point to put yourself in that godlike posture you have to diss the god in what you come from

3:02:42 a woman, you annihilate the culture in which they come from. That's the truth! Yeah that's the fact yeah and it's like... You can't say you love your culture and then disrespect the women of that damn right Okay, weigh in on this Mr. Moe! Take it away! Okay so all of this is based out of the Outer Africa theory I'm sure you're aware that right? That the first people were black people and this is where that primitive narrative comes from that we're the original but we're not the best You know most brown people that's how they thought about it I was just going by the Ms Anne conversation

3:03:22 primitive people, Native Americans seen the same way black people you know those kind of things. So what they say is so with since Africa is the cradle civil civilization the Black woman must be the mother civilization which I have no beef with that if you want to believe out-of-Africa theory but the problem with out-of-Africa theory just as a side note it's probably one of the most racist theories ever because what you're saying is people in Africa were created They stayed there while the rest of the people made it all the way around the world, came through Europe Asia down to Bering Strait and came to America which would be the Native Americans. All before black people could make it off the west coast of Africa I don't understand how that works We had to hitch a ride to America Everybody was on the train but you couldn't make it on what's up with that?

3:04:15 You tell me, I mean like okay uh West Coast advocates of the East Coast of America is not that far when you think about your saying everybody else trekked the globe and was able to evolve. And now you see where these things are dangerous when they start saying oh we're primitive people with primitive energy this is what they mean and these white universities support this to say Oh black woman your a god And then they send them us like in the clip with Mary Ann Wilson. Hey, is a black man here? The client is men? How the hell can I deal with a woman that thinks she's God And then you have Nick Cannon. Last time I checked, Nick Cannon wasn't dating the most melanated women and having children by him even though he got four in the last six months but Woosah. Woo-sah. I heard a woo-sah in the wild the other day. You know where? Where? We were at the title company closing on our house to sell the house

3:05:19 and the lady who was doing the closing, black lady. And all of a sudden she throws out kind of what we were talking about... She's very funny! We're just chatting and she throws out a woosah like A WOOSAH! And she looks at me like Huh? It's a long story, but she threw out her woosah. I got it and I threw it right back at her and that was fun! Yeah, it was a fun moment. Doing the work we understand... We see first to understand then be understood But you have people saying this what I'm saying is I don't think any woman is God I don't think any human is god with exception of one god but that's a total different story for another day

3:06:04 How do you deal with that? You go out to these universities and this is what these liberal feminists, I just gotta say it are blowing up their butts. That you're gods but in reality they see themselves as gods but its like oh yeah you can be a god too sister lets slay queen. You know what im saying that kind of thing its like woah woah woah But, they said... It's not healthy. Not healthy! It's not healthy and then you see I'm just gonna go back to the transcript of their interaction He says disrespect now okay says black women are the most disrespected that's the Malcolm X meme playing out there which i agree in some sense um and it says women your all all women matter whoa whoa whoa you can't say that

3:06:50 You can't say all women matter. That's totally, you know I'm being facetious here but that's like saying all lives matter. Nick you're too woke to be saying that Nick. You can't say all women matter and then they said they want to put black women on a pedestal too so if you put them on a pedestal with all other women then there no one is on the pedestal Then the pedestal is non-existent, then you're all on the same level. So hold on so you trying to tell me black woman is God but you don't want to put her on a pedestal over other women? This is god we're talking about here! Yeah I think that was just those guys were... Oh no oh no oh no no no Curry see this is where we go to the next level this is a running theme in our community

3:07:42 supported by science, white supremacist science I may add. Yes which is racist. With the Out of Africa theory... Like I said that's one of the most racist thing ever heard in my life if you want to say if you want to go about a narrative but I'm just saying But this is where it comes from. So when you have women going off to these schools and they've been indoctrinated that they're special at a very early age with gifted classes, all these things and then they go out of these schools near probably one or a handful black women And you have these black women like oh slay queen You know what I'm saying? You're the mother of earth All women came from you but what they don't tell you if they think that yeah your primitive Yeah, you're the first but you not the best See they won't say that to your face

3:08:28 It's like we're the updated version because if you're first, we came after you but were better and smarter than you. But yeah that primitive twerking energy that you got going on with I forget her name the last lady that we looked at African lady Oh, uh... Sarah? Hot and Tot. Yes so that's what they mean by print of energy let you let's channel your sex I told them bring this thing full circle so this is what they're saying to Megan Thee Stallion all them let us use your sexual energy to bring people in and we'll take our big white brains We'll take it from here don't worry we got it here yeah that's what I'm saying

3:09:14 And these women fall for this because they say, well this is a elite school. This is an Ivy League school okay? What's your point?" Yeah so clearly these Ivy League schools are really racist in their entire demeanor I'll leave that there but when we try... Yes they are, because they're the ones that teach elitism and all these strange thought processes a school of thoughts come from. So yes they are. You know there was a college campus kind of like a supercut and it was asking kids if they felt America

3:09:54 was racist and is, you know... You know where you're gonna get with these kinds of man-on-the street questions. It was in Washington DC where everyone who's going to one of these universities probably has a lot of financial privilege certainly but it was interesting one girl said well I go to an HBCU so of course I think America is racist. I thought that to be really interesting Huh? I don't know how she correlates that. I'm just saying, that's just what popped up because we're talking about things...I don't know exactly what they're teaching in universities. I have a pretty good idea from what they were teaching four years ago. Everything is racist. Yes! Everything is sexist intersectionality which really the hidden payload and this critical race theory right it's written by the same person

3:10:47 You know what I'm saying? We were on top of this way, not too long ago. No no I agree, I'm just saying that historically black colleges and universities are doing the same thing and just probably even turning up the heat The historic, and I went to one but most historic private ones. Let me be clear Most private historic black colleges were created by white people Oh yes the brown paper bag test Not only that but what Spellman is named after Yeah white guys What's the rich guy? Rockefeller Named after his wife Made it name Rockefellers spending money Carnegie All these people throwing money around in these schools

3:11:27 So it's like you can't have independent thought. It's like no, no, they had to rank me in! And there is still the same Rockefeller Foundation, Carnegie Foundation... There are a couple more that as we talked about an hour ago that are still the ones who mandate the curriculum based on the money they donate to the endowment And bring up hot button topics and see which side they lean on. They're gonna lean on the side of whatever their paymasters tell them to say, and like I said everybody gotta make a living like Tiger Aunty said Everybody gotta make it live when we all prostitutes ourselves our way you know saying a little bit at a time That's not what i'm saying It's not like this exclusive but

3:12:12 You have these people blowing your head up and then they come back into the quote unquote community with all these new thoughts and ideologies, and it doesn't job anywhere. Which let's go ahead and jump into a brief overview of Ms. massage noir with uh lanei veney. hey y'all what's up it's friday so i'm gonna keep it black but i'm gonna keep it brief oh they're not gonna like this one hey tell like it is! So I just want to talk to you all today about this thing called massage noir, tell it. This is for Black men to hear for Black women to feel heard and for white people pay attention to in their endeavors toward anti-racism so they can better understand intersectionality we're listening see

3:12:50 Massage Noir is a specific type of sexism black women experience or what Moya Bailey refers to as the specific hatred, dislike distrust and prejudice directed toward black women. Now we can talk about this subject any day of the year but it hits different during Black History Month okay? Hello somebody! You see earlier this week I posted a reel about Joanne Robinson The woman who was the actual brains and broad behind Montgomery bus boycott not Dr King like most of us believed or inferred from our civil rights civil rights movement lessons in grade school. And while I was just redirecting credit to give credit where it was due, somehow black men still found a way to respond negatively saying i was disrespecting Dr King's legacy or that the women involved were irrelevant because obviously dr king was needed to pull it off now the civil rights movement was male dominated in terms of representation largely part due to respectability politics what many conveniently forget is that respectability politics are inherently sexist and thus left many women on the back burner or in the shadows of the movement like Mary Louise Smith who

3:13:42 Who? Oh, just one of the many women who got arrested for refusing to give up their seat on Montgomery bus before Rosa Parks and Claudette Coleman. Yeah my girl Ella Baker said don't even worry about me but y'all wasn't gonna do that anyway and y'all wasn't gonna do that anyway cuz that's just how y'all are. Massage Noir has not only resulted in black women not getting credit massage noir is also let a lot of black men get away with doing a lot of things to black women make it plain am I If y'all upset about us taking some of these flowers and giving them to the women that deserve them, oh they're not gonna like it. Girl just say it! They gonna be mad at me for this one. Well thats too damn bad! Alright now who is uh...who's Leneven eh? Some talking head black feminist on YouTube Okay But I jus used her as the chatterbox Yeah Of just un- What's the point

3:14:30 What's that mean? What are you saying here and your facts not even straight. We're going to get set a little later, but just say for instance if we had the same black men had the same mentality as them when the movie Hidden Figures came out about the black female scientists at NASA right We can say, what about the black men at NASA? We don't have any representation of black man in the movie. You know what I'm saying we always said that this is the rock you're saying hey it's gonna get little black girls into STEM it's a good thing right when he come out trying to tear down people and people would say well Moe you made an episode about Martin Luther King yeah just showed that he wasn't even as in control himself right I'm always going back to following the street not I'm not gonna stop looking where you want me stop looking

3:15:15 I'm going to follow the trail all the way back to who's pulling the strings. And I even gave the credit MLK to say, yeah he was controlled as being younger because he was just saying things greater Thornburg that he had no control over me. He was being set up to be who we was by controlling factors at a very young person and then one point when he decided to change and break narrative you saw what happened to him But I'm not just gonna say, I'm not just going to tear them down for the sake of tearing people down. That's not what we do here but that's what they do is like see sisters, see feminist sisters look how down I am for the cause. I'm gonna turn out every black man I see to show their solidarity with white feminists. If you're gonna talk about it and this is where it comes in respectability politics this is what we need to understand and with that- This a new term from me I had not heard of this

3:16:15 Right, but you're gonna see how it's important to the overarching topic of this show 35. So this is Paul Laurence Dunbar's We Wear The Mask. We wear the mask that grins and lies It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes This debt we pay to human guile With torn and bleeding hearts we smile And mouth with mirrored subtleties Why should the world be over wise in counting all of our tears and sighs? Nay, let them only see us while we wear the mask. After reading the poem my anxiety level tripled because I realized that Paul Laurence Dunbar was talking about the black American identity an identity that I hadn't really quite grasped yet

3:17:08 something that I was deeply struggling with. And now, I realize reading his poem that the mask he is referring to was the mask of respectability politics. Respectability politics is a tactic used by marginalized groups to subvert or avert racism and stereotypes They do this by doing the exact opposite of what the stereotype or racist comment would suggest. So, I'm an African American person a stereotype about African American people as we like to listen to our music really really loud

3:17:47 So if I was practicing respectability politics, I would make sure that when I was driving my car. I would turn my music on medium or low not to disturb the other cars around me Or if I'm having a house party have some friends over I'd make sure my music was low Now the goal of respectability politics is to raise the status of the marginalized group by counteracting this stereotype. Holy crap! Okay, by the way I... This is new to me. Black people listen their music louder than white people or brown people? Is that...? Not really No, I don't see that

3:18:34 We may have music has more bass in it. So I mean trap me but that well, let me get Excuse me Let me give you an example of that like I had to 15s and say yeah, you're knocking your car Way too loud probably gonna be deaf because of it But my dad would say hey before you turn that corner up there turn it down You better have a turned down Not out of because you know that you're black and you know, no son I don't want you to be seen as black by having you know the loud music cuz It'll definitely give it away. I think my skin would give it away, you know what I'm saying? But it was out of the fact that my neighbor worked second shift and he slept right and my dad didn't want to have his damn picture shaking on his wall You know is it's out of respect but see this is the danger That's why I said these new ideas they learn I've never heard of this term before in my life until these women started talking about it So now we say put up some clothes and be respectful Oh No no

3:19:35 You put your oppression on me, I should be able to twerk wherever I want to. I mean like you participated in respectability politics when you put the mask on or if you put the mask on right? It's like, oh, well, I don't want to smoke today. No, so I just want to go ahead and get some steaks and go home So let me just put the mask on so uh...so it is a real thing but now its been spread out everything Is that any behavior one of them being and all I'm gonna hit hot button here the bonnets Oh, the bonnets. So the bonnet is this thing that women wear to cover their hair now I understand why women wear a bonnet like we used to be like when your grandma had her hair curled with them little pink Curlers with that wax paper she wanted her curls would be tight so she would have it curl right so tight and put The cap over top of it so before she left the house you were saying our curls won't fall out

3:20:30 But what's happening is these people are starting to wear it out in public. Yes, if you want to wear it out in public that's fine but you got to have what comes along with the understanding looks like you didn't prepare yourself for today right? I mean because that's the origin of it is that black women will have a house coat or house dress and they roll their bonnet and like I'm not going to put my clothes on so I'll be nice impressed then my hair will be nice and fresh when I take the rollers out before walk out the door So when you walk out the door it looks like you're ill-prepared, but when you say something is oh you were disrespecting my respectability politics. That kind of thing's like what? Wait huh how tiring is this crap? Of course now you see hello! So now we're dealing with God that can't even stand having me question

3:21:23 And not all, and like I said these are the strollers. This is what I say to ladies that actually feel the same way as I do we got your back if you speak up but we can't speak up right? We can't say anything it's like me trying to make a case on somebody behalf that don't even want to make a case for themselves So this is more, and it's why I took my time with these episodes because it's a very sensitive subject not only about black but for women. It's a very sensitive subject. There's an equivalent to the women thing of Coon. I just found an article at your tango The Power Of Black Hair Bonnet Why It Is Not Unprofessional To Wear It Outside from January 8th 2021 What publication?

3:22:12 Your tango I'd have no idea what that is exactly. You know, it's like why y'all put so much energy on Like I said and this is nothing. It was a Kirk of mine This is why I got the Mars Rover thing from it It's amazing that we could put our rover all Mars, but we can't safely straighten black women's hair Yes Come on science Because what it is, is a hot button topic that you can make people feel self-conscious about. So that's why they don't want to come on but I'll keep moving. But respectability politics is the all encompassing shield to push back against anything that you may question about anybody

3:23:01 It's like oh you want me you want to put me in a box, right? You know that kind of thing This is where the this is where the crown act comes from and all these things and that nature Hey I had cornrows. I used to have the straight back and the obviousness come on But when we had your security job was like hey, you got to cut your hair He's like well do I want to look cool or I want to work which it's not right to make somebody cut their hair but at the same time if you're trying to present a militaristic style look, you gotta have the fresh cut to go with it. You know what I'm saying? Just so you know, I was fired several times for not cutting my hair. Oh! You should've called up RespectAbility Politics they weren't respecting your crown King This was in the 80's we didn't have this shit yet We hadn't figured that out but we were working on it still working on it But what they're doing is what the treatment always do you open a door and then you gonna hold while we get all these other things pushed in

3:23:54 Exactly. People out there not ready but okay, Brittany Cooper that's going to 36 and let me get a little background on Brittany Cooper she is a severe black man hater but continue on. And it has since become a subsequent book project and that book is called Beyond Respectability the intellectual thought of race women goal in that book is not to write this sort of stuffy academic tome about black women as thinkers, although I do want it to be taken seriously and have these women taken seriously. But it's also to say that these women were complex and interesting, uh, that they both thought robustly about how to help black communities get free by day but that they were also fun and interesting folks. So there's the fact that like one of the things I discovered as i was writing about Ida B Wells is that she had a shopping habit and sometimes she couldn't pay her rent because she spent too much money at the dressmaker shop right?

3:24:49 I found out as i was writing that Mary Church Terrell was like an exquisite arbiter of shade or what we would call shade in this day and time. You know, so um...I tell a great story my book about how a bunch of white women kept on mistaking Mary Church Terrell for a white woman uh...and they kept calling asking her where they could find the American Negress that was coming to give a talk at this conference and they were talking to her and didn't realize who they were talking to. And so she had a joke at their expense, and played along with the ruse, and then on the day of the conference she stands up and gives this magnificent speech in French and German, and shuts them all down. There's nothing there is no black girl magic to that we sometimes miss because we think Mary Church Terrell was kind of stuffy elitist black lady from the 19th century

3:25:42 So basically they're trying to paint the narrative of these women as being human or their form of human. Like, oh she was bad with her money too! Right? I heard that slipping. Yeah so that's what it is... You might want to be good with your money but hold on who are you telling me how to spend my money?! You realize that debt is slavery. Just looking at Brittany C Cooper, she reminds me of Stacey Abrams in a lot of ways and that is by design but

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3:40:21 Alright, so I gotta give Miss Lene Bini a little history lesson about the Montgomery Boys bus boycott. Not out of disrespect but if you're gonna tell the facts you got to tell them correctly and she said that uh... The lady that she mentioned was pulling the strings and all the bronze- She did the brains in the bronze behind the boys' bus boycotts Well, not exactly. We talked about the Durr's Virginia during her husband on the episode we talked about Rosa Parks which sets my mind but

3:40:59 So now we have to really dig into it because just I'm using this to prove a point that if you're gonna go, if you're going to get big, go all the way down the rabbit hole. So now we have to look at the doors of Montgomery one. What I remember is just what a mesmerizing storyteller she was We had done research on the Southern Conference for Human Welfare and the anti-poll tax campaign, and so on. But what Virginia really wanted to talk about was a much more personal story. And it was a story about how a young woman

3:41:43 woman growing up in the circumstances she was in learned to think in a certain way about race and class and have certain sets of expectations and ideals. And then how her world began to change around her, and she gradually woke up to a different way of looking at the world So it was a story about the making of a traditional Southern lady and unmaking of, and re-education of a Southern woman. I'm a Southerner. I gotta go way back yonder. Gotta tell you who the granddaddy was. We will start with Reconstruction. All right so Virginia Dirt she was known as a great storyteller

3:42:40 Rosa Parks worked as a seamstress for her and her husband. Her husband was a lawyer at the time And so we're going to get into the past of Virginia Durer, examine her motives for getting involved in the civil rights movement which it wasn't even a civil rights movement at the time when she got involved down in Montgomery. So what we have to do now is go back and look into her background any comments before we get to next clip? No no I'm following along Alright 38 My great-grandfather married a woman named Hannah Johnston. Anyway, they established themselves in Union Springs and he was a doctor and they lived in Great Spire. My recollection is that when I first remember their plantation they owned about 35,000 acres of land which was a lot of land

3:43:37 One has to remember that in Alabama, there hadn't been a lot of big plantations. Most plantations were small. They were 400 or 500 acres 600 acres 700 acres something like that well the foster plantations were thousands and thousands of acres I mean it just absolutely boggles the mind to think of the wealth and power of the foster family. Now did your grandfather have slaves? Oh he haven't yet What happened during One thing the Civil War and I ever heard of was that the slaves just were so crazy about them, you know, they'd be silver into horses into the swamps. And I loved them dearly. Now I was brought up to see on a romantic tradition how the

3:44:24 slave system being benevolent. In the late 19th, early 20th century when Virginia was growing up there is this invention of the plantation South and the myth of this wonderful era where African Americans were happy being subordinate where white women were happy being subordinate and white men were able to provide everything that everybody needed without actually having to work very hard This plantation myth of somehow this ideal position in the past is a fiction. I mean, it's when you say it like that, it has to be a fiction. It couldn't be anything but a fiction. This is fascinating period. I know so little about and I'm waiting for the real cause of course I know Rosa Park story and well what really came before Rosa Parks? So I'm interested how it all ties in. Oh, you will never know much about this period because it's so pivotal with American history is shrouded in nothing but narrative

3:45:24 Yeah. Nothing, I mean that's black people you were bought you was sold That was it Well Eleanor Roosevelt had a big role in all of this somehow Right, and we are... Her and other people as well. But just to get Virginia Durr where she was originally for Virginia Foster and her foster family as you heard a man say the average plantation was about 500 acres. Yeah they had thousands and thousands 35 000 Now just think how many slaves you gotta have

3:46:01 and to work a 35,000 acre plantation. And she comes from the romantic tradition of slavery. She was very much an aristocratic Southern woman. So Just for perspective, we always had that clip Masa Speaks with the slave masters talking about how black people were like children and all of that. That was from The Heritage of Slavery by Fannie Lou Hamer and LeRonn Bennett. So I've been saving this clip from the time I clipped that, and this is Mrs Anne speaks. But underneath the graciousness old relationships are often found intact

3:46:47 Descendants of slaves work for descendants of slave owners. Mrs. Lionel Legg retains the tone of a past she cherishes. So Daisy was my little playmate, my maid, my friend and the daughter of old Catherine who is a cook that we adored And so all those years we played together and everyone was happy. We never heard of all these things that we hear about today, and there were nearly a hundred enormous rice plantations with many animals around in the beautiful old house and about 100 colored people there

3:47:29 But we love them, they were our friends. And then it's no disgrace to say they're like children when we see that It's because they are like happy children some of them Because they like to sit in the sun rather than work hard and they'd rather play than work If you could, would you paint a picture for us of what it was like on the plantation in your early days? It was a lovely happy time living in open spaces with many lovely colored people and animals and flowers and fields. My father had everything sour bread from the pigs horses to dogs and if people had to be sour bread Oh man good times

3:48:24 thoroughbred people. That's good time! But back in the day... This is where that primitive people narrative comes from, from the Miss Ann's in Harlem. Like they're happy they just want to sit out on a sunshine and sing and dance and we have to be with the other animals? Yeah we just have to govern all of them. We won't do anything they won't do anything They'll just sit in the sun Right what would they do This is where, okay. The Princess and the Frog I don't know if you're familiar with that movie or not but that's one of the black princesses But one thing there are a lot of problematic memes going on here with modern movies And one being in that it was Big Daddy

3:49:13 Remember Big Daddy was the white man and he I don't know what the hell he did But he would just big daddy had all the money and his daughter played with here, you know saying she didn't Really had to take life seriously because she had it all figured out big dad is gonna figure it out for a big daddy on the plantation. Hello exactly Another mouse movie FYI another I told him the mouse gotta go Oh But with that said, now we got to go back to Virginia and Dargis give you some perspective of the plantation life in the of the. happy-go-lucky slave mentality and the romantic history of slavery. So now let's go back to Virginia Derr. This plantation myth of somehow this ideal position in the past is a fiction, I mean it's when you say it like that it has to be a fiction It couldn't be anything but a fiction The only part that fits if you look at this through the eyes children And my grandmother, I remember

3:50:15 when I was about eight, so I remember how very well I was named for. She had married when she was 15 and she'd had, you know, she was like a queen bee if you know what I mean. She had always been surrounded by servants or slaves and she never did anything in her life but just be charming and...she's really like a child! Her grandmother lived in the world which had gone through the trauma of the Civil War, the trauma of Reconstruction, the trauma racial change, emancipation But by the time her grandmother reaches her maturity, or her grandmother lived in a world of the reconstruction of the social order. So you go from slavery to slavery by another name which is sharecropping. Having people working there who had been descendants of slaves probably living on the plantation very comfortable secure and romantic world and for her that was the ideal of southern womanhood

3:51:15 of the lady, of the plantation really. And even when she talked about it later in life it was with great happiness because it was early on and of course she came to oppose everything that world represented but um...but it was a formative part of her life I like the Queen Bee reference. Well, that's the point right there. The Queen Bee is a meme in itself that if you see... You think about it A woman in America has all made people around her pampering her painting her fingernails and toenails doing her bidding she has an assistant and a maid and a butler this what we aspire to Beyonce

3:52:02 Exactly. Who we call Queen B, no? All of the reality shows are the same thing that's when you really made it when you have these people just primping and pampering you every beckon call this is... Actually so it's one thing to have people pampering you and having them there for your beckon call Having the reality show is one step above that but in a weird way most people who have the reality show really aren't like that at all. They're really quite pathetic It's the whole thing is messed up. Yeah, of course I understand That's why it's a... these are hits

3:52:43 And then, if you want to go back to Game of Thrones. This was the narrative around Khaleesi I think her name was Daenerys Targaryen? The fair-haired mother of the dragons this white woman with her grand dragons that were the power behind her really She burped the grand dragon. Again, again I have to say Moe, I did not watch Game of Thrones. I had other things to do... No but that's the meme behind her because there was even a picture of her with she is being lifted up by all these colored people and she is this fair-haired maiden and they're lifting passing her through crowd as she's the great emancipator

3:53:35 Don't let this stuff slip. They put this in for and she caught a lot of heat well game The Thrones called a lot of heat for uh For doing it yeah, cuz he wasn't lost on people the same thing with the help Okay You make a modern movie and its not but black women following behind white women I mean like this This is they push this meme and like I said, I'm not being divisive what I'm saying is This is what sets the expectations for the dealings between women, which really if they would stop shaming each other or are shaming the right people. The people that's against humanity then we'll be better off but they put these people on a pedestal to be worshipped like gods or goddesses

3:54:25 Always always a bad idea this goes with it. That's the real issue I have with it that is It's the the worship part of it and this thing trickles down into Society which you have young girls having men worship them, and they call them pay pigs But that's another story for another show um Yeah, cuz they call it tithing yes sure Crazy times so Let's go back to Virginia Durr and now we're going to see why she was a problem, uh, to her opponents. And what who is the power behind her? For those first few years 51 52 53 they have a relatively low profile in Montgomery and then quite out of the blue they are thrown into the spotlight well Virginia's efforts

3:55:21 to be quiet. I mean, her cover was blown in 1954 as the Brown ruling is on the horizon and Senator James Eastland sees through Hugo Black and these Southern progressives as a way to try to smear Brown as some kind of communist conspiracy so Virginia gets a subpoena to go to New Orleans for hearing. Now What Social Security cards have you held since 1952? I decline to answer that question on the grounds previously stated.

3:55:59 In 1954, Eastland, Senator from Mississippi opens the first set of hearings in the South in New Orleans on this question of communist infiltration and various aspects of American life and the U.S government and begins to call members of Clifton, Virginia Durr's circle of white Southern liberals and leftists to testify Eastland was in high dodging over the behavior of people like the Durrs. All these white people acting like they were, you know common trash out there which you know mixing with these black people it was outrageous it was communist we just couldn't put up with it I never heard this part to that and this was the start of the anti-com the rooting out the commies? Yes

3:56:54 Wow. And one person they bring up is Hugo Black, now Hugo Black just so happens to be Virginia Derr's brother-in-law through marriage to her sister. Just so happens! Amazing how that just so happens... Just so happens that she's married or her sister is married to one of the most uh quote Wikipedia most and one of the most influential Supreme Court justices of the 20th century How convenient How convenient, buddy. Oh it's this black lady over here making flyers. This is her saying pushing the buttons see how dangerous that is because when they all said and done you're gonna put that blame on the black lady and now we're not going to do that. You know what I'm saying? We're gonna go follow the communist trail back to where it goes And just so happens Hugo Black was a former lifelong member of the KKK Now don't know how you be a former lifelong member

3:57:51 I don't understand how that works. Well he resigned from the KKK in 1925. Oh yes, gonna put my two-week notice into the Klan even though guess what? He had the grand passport How you like that? That's how whiteness works, folks. It's gonna be certain ways you can move and certain ways you can't move and I say it begins with us in the same way now when you say okay somebody all they're communists or you just you're just a racist you don't know they're actually literally communist Which I don't know, that puts black people in a weird position if you got me choosing between quote unquote racist and quote unquote communist because communist is another name for slavery. In my book that's just my perspective. Well okay- I'm just saying this is my perception

3:58:46 You want me to work and somebody can work less as hard as me, and we equally get the same thing? This is a guy we need to talk about more. I did not know any of this he was a Democrat He was a senator Of course! He stopped saying he wasn't in the Klan Well...He was a Senator for Alabama Wow so a Senator KKK member And a Supreme Court Justice Might wanna bring that up from time-to-time You might think, but no. Like I said and that's why this is how seductive white supremacy is because when you not one down one, when you unnerved one thing like oh Rosa Parks it was like okay no no no it's Claudette Colvin It's like nah nah nah nah then it's this lady she mentioned you know? Nah nah nah nah But it never gets to the root. It never gets to Virginia Derr and who's pulling her strings Hugo Black. You see how that works? Yeah

3:59:45 Holy crap. It's crazy, but let's go into Durf 5. Someone like Virginia Doerr in particular is a nightmare for Eastland because here are native white Southerners who are opposed to the party line who are undermining segregation just when he thinks it needs to be shored up just when it's under attack and under siege you have these internal enemies you have this fifth column of white people who grew up in the South, who talk with a Southern accent. Who are now talking about addressing racial inequality and so to his mind these are traitors right? And he needs to destroy them and you know how do you destroy uh...a traitor well you link them to the worst possible thing that you could be

4:00:33 in early 1950s America, and that is a communist. Were you a secret member of the Communist Party while you were in Memphis Tennessee? I declined to answer on the same thing if you want me to read the manual card I will sir would like for him start there it's 1215 I'll start on down. I think Eastland was much more politically adept than most southern politicians about how to use your power within the Democratic Party to resist change and how to undermine the credibility of the civil rights movement by playing on national fears of communism. Virginia has nothing but contempt for Eastland, and in fact she levies at him what is probably her strongest words of condemnation towards anyone as she calls him common he's common as pig tracks there it is pig tracks shout out to Ayo there it is ummm...common

4:01:32 What does that word mean to you? I don't want to lead the witness. Common, what does that word mean to you? Common is regular normal Yeah i mean just as when you hear that somebody calls somebody else common Oh well common is a lower than you is a commoner uh is a plebe a pleb uh lower class white trash and this That's how it was meant in this term So you gotta remember Virginia Durr with Virginia Foster came from money this South yeah and she see these poor white people taking over the south in politics, and it's like I rather deal with black people than was being under the rule of common white folks. Wow! Yeah now can we go ahead? In this context can we equate communism with Marxism or is it too early in the story for that? No well its the same thing

4:02:30 Communists, that's the same communists that have been in this house since the 1930s we talked about before. Yep how they were the communist literally came into to try and get people to join on board and it was black people who showed up? That's correct so you had those inroads already So then you send communist people like Virginia Durr her ilk down To set up these establishments And tap into this ground force and people like the guy that she called Common, was like whoa whoa whoa. It's like I see what y'all are doing here now I'm not taking up for him in no means or any sense but what I'm saying is this is an interracial war that we're being brought into. That's been going on for a long time. And it still going on hello? And when its all said and done they'll make up you know kiss and makeup and then whoever's brought into has to pay

4:03:30 That's what I mean. This is not about history here, what i'm saying is this is the same thing happening over and over and over again And you know, and if you don't believe me Let's just go ahead and go to 43 in the spring of 1955 Virginia arranged for Rosa to attend the Highlander folk school in Tennessee Highlander was an integrated training ground for union and community organizers things have been building up To the point where something like the Rosa Parks situation was bound to happen. The evening of December 1st, 1955 Ms. Parks refused to give up her seat to a white man on a city bus and was subsequently arrested from the jail she called Edie Nixon head of the local NAACP chapter. Edie Nixon called Durr I mean he's logical person for them to turn to, he is white

4:04:19 He's an attorney. He certainly stood a better chance than, than a black attorney would in dealing with this situation. E.D Nixon has gone but left his home, gone to their home to pick them up I've always tried to picture this my mind did the jurors sit in the backseat? Did Cliff sit in front with Mr. Nixon and Virginia sat at the back seat what'd they do when they got to the jail what happened I liked to be a part of that it is an extraordinary moment When Rosa Parks is arrested and taken to the jail, and there is Virginia and Cliff along with E.D Nixon present in some ways at the creation of the modern civil rights movement They get there and arrange for Mrs. Parks to be released And you know Rosa Parks recalls coming out and she and Virginia embracing She said we hugged like we were sisters

4:05:13 What was this Highlander Folk School? Was this some kind of propaganda training camp? It's the communist school that we showed over... We talked about it before. Martin Luther King was even staffed there, yeah I remember this! But hold on but now they're suspected communists but she sent Rosa off to go... Now he said this She sent Rosa off to go to school there, right? Yeah But then he wonders why Edie Nixon called the DERS when Rosa got locked up. It was part of the plan Hello Can you not see it is so happy like oh who should we call but I want to get to one point So we can keep moving on I just need to say for people who missed that previous episode. I won't ask you what what episode it was Moe

4:05:59 But Rosa Parks attended a workshop at Highlander for four months before the infamous bus protest. And I think that's Dream Machine, that we cover that in with Martin Luther King. Oh, that could be it! That could be it yeah. I think it was Dream Machine and if not it could also...I know we talked about the communism in the South and also in the one with about 1619, The Shell Gang or Shell Game so both of those will probably give you great background on what were talking about now But yeah, so you're sending her off to go to this school the same school that wrote We Shall Overcome and then you wonder why the doors are involved when Rosa gets arrested. I don't think it works like that but That just goes to show you Miss Lenei-Venie When you do digging Go all the way! Go all the way to the money Hugo Black was pulling the strings All the way down the line in my perspective In MY opinion Sure looks like it

4:07:01 So even still Virginia dirt was being used. You know what I'm saying? It's the same model as, you know she was taking it was the same plantation model and she had her black people out there working for and she got to be in the limelight and Big Daddy Master was pulling strings. They never changed And what she was fighting against with the common white folks Taking over into time and this is where a lot of your your Confederate statues and stuff came in. They were trying to reestablish pride, white pride so these common white folk that had lost everything in the Civil War they were like okay we're going to re-establish the narrative which this is why these things are important to them because I'm not taking defending or you know saying I'm not defending any way I'm just explaining

4:07:51 explaining how I understand why these things are important because this is when they were able to establish their own narrative for how the South worked. And the real Southerners would be the Durbs, which the Fosters, which eventually came to Durbs So hopefully all that because hopefully all that makes sense. Well, you know how it makes sense to me and that this entire podcast is I think it's about equal to a $150,000 college degree in history. I mean it! I mean it! It's so good. Rich teaches you rich history is only narrative by whoever won the... Of course of course Which-I'm gonna say this

4:08:35 And some history teachers might get mad at me, but I think we need to get rid of history in public schools. Now wait for you get your bloomers and a bunch what i'm saying is if we can't prove anything or it's going to be argumentative why teaching in public school? Why don't you teach people about political science civics so they understand how to actually function the government they have not looking back and pointing fingers at each other, making it uncomfortable for each other. All stuff that's not even... agreed upon. So it's like, okay you know what? Learn history in your churches and your community centers those kind of things but when we come here we're going to teach you how your government actually works because you can wield the power of it I would much rather see that No! I disagree It should be every university should just give their students the tuition back and a podcast And say here this is the MoFax go listen to this Here's your money back You're good to go You can fix everything now

4:09:32 I totally support that message. That's great, I love it but you know of course you're right whoever wins writes the history but all this and this history it just wasn't told to me and it's that simple And like I said, we can look at some people say Rosa Parks. Some people say Claudette Colvin and some people say other peoples. I will say Hugo Black at the aid of Virginia Derr but where it gets dangerous Ed now we got to come back till I was picking on Lene' what i want to do is show how how when you don't have history straight or you try to start rewriting history it kind of really unravels in and makes it useless. So let's go to 44. Y'all can be real sad to find out the truth about how some of y'all's faves treated black women back in the day tell the truth shame the devil for example

4:10:21 Reverend James Beville. Beville was a minister that helped to spearhead the Birmingham Children's Crusade, a surprisingly little-known movement in black history where thousands of black children in Montgomery Alabama marked on the streets for integrations when their parents couldn't and went to jail. 5,000 arrests were made so while Beville played a crucial role in orchestrating the movement, Beville was also convicted of incest and raping his own black daughters Cleaver, famed leader of the Black Panther Party but also admitted in his book Soul on Ice that when he was younger he had aims to rape white women as some sort of retribution and so he practiced raping young black girls because he knew nobody would care about them. We're gonna need some tea is hot but the facts are facts and be clear none this takes away from what they did for these movements But if you're wild like a duck and quack like a duck then guess what? Aflac not paying me! I'm sure a lot of black men will prefer us not to talk about these things especially during a month like this making statements like yo some things we shouldn't talk about

4:11:07 Some of these things were necessary for us to get to the place that we are today. Oh, you mean like when the white folks didn't want us to talk about slavery because it was necessary for America to become what it is today? But what a lot of black men either forgot and honestly as men and women who've internalized massage noir but would allow y'all either forget fail to realize or just ignore really Is that we aren't just black We're women too And that's the reality Of our Black history And black woman all over the globe have kind of come to this point where we're kinda tired of sweeping things under the rug We've come to this point of undoing the things that once did us under. Okay? Calling it out so that it won't happen again, so things can be better for the young black girls of tomorrow and also so we don't further internalize massage noir and project on the Chloe Bailey's of the world who are just minding their young fine black woman ass business but there might be a whole nother conversation Where does she get her credibility from? White universities. Okay See how that works? It's like... You wanna go off

4:12:03 Go to the epicenters of whiteness, and what I mean by whiteness is not race or color but the power establishment. The same ones that tell us all these medical facts and everything else that goes along with it, historical facts... But then you're going to internalize what they say Now these are saying people say, oh no Hugo Black was a former KKK member. Bird was a former KKK member. Joe Biden has been reformed and redeemed. You know what I'm saying? White women ain't gonna play that game with their men. You see how that works but when it comes to us, oh Elder Cleaver, those men have problems fine. I'm all for it but what I'm saying is your feminist sister's not going do the same thing that you're doing so are y'all really sisters

4:12:54 So y'all ready to put us up on the block to be sacrificed, but they understand like, but Derr understand that Hugo Black was the power behind her. She looked other way on his KKK membership saying to push civil rights now how does that work? Please tell me how that works. But they have gotten smarter Because what they now can do is outsource the Miss Anne job. We go back to Caitlin Greenwich, we go back to this article and we go back to misogynoir. You grew up in Boston? I'm from Boston yeah. What part?

4:13:32 I'm from Somerville. You call us at the word, The Flyers. Okay! I'm from Arlington originally which is a suburb outside of Boston then we moved to Somerville when i was like halfway through childhood okay And you got siblings? I do. I have two older sisters, they're also writers so my oldest sister is a playwright Kirsten Greenidge and then my middle sister is an historian Carrie Greenidge and they're both in the Boston area still Now your parents are American Black

4:12:54 So y'all ready to put us up on the block to be sacrificed, but they understand like, but Derr understand that Hugo Black was the power behind her. She looked other way on his KKK membership saying to push civil rights now how does that work? Please tell me how that works. But they have gotten smarter Because what they now can do is outsource the Miss Anne job. We go back to Caitlin Greenwich, we go back to this article and we go back to misogynoir. You grew up in Boston? I'm from Boston yeah. What part?

4:13:32 I'm from Somerville. You call us at the word, The Flyers. Okay! I'm from Arlington originally which is a suburb outside of Boston then we moved to Somerville when i was like halfway through childhood okay And you got siblings? I do. I have two older sisters, they're also writers so my oldest sister is a playwright Kirsten Greenidge and then my middle sister is an historian Carrie Greenidge and they're both in the Boston area still Now your parents are American Black

4:14:07 Um, well my dad's family is from Barbados. Somebody got the letters. Y'all old y'all first name goes start with the same one. What does that mean? That's a West Indian thing really know where Western yeah my dad said the family is from Barbados was immune there from a small part of Cambridge that in the last... Massachusetts. Yeah, Massachusetts in the last couple years or last decade or so it's gentrified but for many years for most of the 20th century this one area of Cambridge was like a West Indian holdout haven kind of place and they moved to Cambridge in 1909 with two families from the same small village in Barbados moved

4:14:56 like three block radius in Cambridge, stayed within it. It was a big deal when my dad married someone who's not West Indian who is American Black. Big deal huh? It's a big deal that your quote unquote black dad married a black woman but it was a big deal why is that its lineage, his family like she said they came here from Barbados to Cambridge and set up their own community They work within themselves. So now what they can do is not all, let's be clear, not all, not even most a small minority I will say 10% the talent 10%.

4:15:41 They are allowed to use these people that look like us to formulate narratives, but they have no connection with us. Now you might say Moe your far...you're reaching a little bit well let's go to 46. Yeah it was when they got married yeah my mom tells the story about how she went over to their house he invited her over to their house after they got engaged she was sitting having tea with my grandmother, with my dad's mom. And literally the entire neighborhood made it a point to stop through and just kind of check her out. Look at her being like this is this girl who came in here. I don't know what they mean by that! No she not... We thought you were lying. Yeah so that's the background. Okay cool and for you growing up, you're

4:16:30 Your parents, what did they do professionally? My mom... Think of a family full of writers. Oh yeah well my mom she's now a social worker when I was growing up she worked with autistic people children especially and my dad was lawyer so he worked for as for the FBI for while here in New York. Daddy was the feds? Prosecuting! prosecuting the mob. He worked on kind of the first anti-racketeering cases in the 70s, and then he went to a white shoe law firm in Boston. He was one very few black lawyers there. And this by the way is one of the games I love to play the most with people ever since you know because I never really thought about it but when people are telling me like well you know they kick the black guy off of Fox & Friends said you know Juan Williams has you know he's from Panama

4:17:23 It's not exactly African-American in that context when you say black. And, and you have to kind of take people through it, that's not exactly the same thing? Let me give a perfect example because we do share being melanated so that's... Sure They can easily be perceived as black when moving about America That's not my point My point is just as clueless about as I am about what's going on in Haiti right now. Exactly! I have no point or proof, I will never make a show about the Haitian president because i have no understanding of context about Haitian politics or even Haitian culture

4:18:05 Right, so I can't. I can only speak from what I was saying before as an outsider even if i moved to Haiti today I would still be perceived as a outsider and that's fine and well um but the same with it Tom here they have people come here writing articles uh about blackness misogynoir war about black American men that's what she means and that reason why I played that clip about who came to her her mother going to Meet her dad and everybody in the community coming by like oh, let's go When she did her Kamala cackle she was like Who is this Negro? Like really mm-hmm And then this is this is how duplicitous they are because you have heard talking about her dad works in the FBI But then I have a tweet of hers talking about how LeBron Lorraine Hansberry was so heavily monitored by the FBI

4:19:01 That's the writer of The Raising of His Son. But she was being monitored by the FBI because she thought to be a communist! My dad is in the FBI, but the FBI is bad but not my dad. You know what I'm saying? It's this weird mantra and not saying that... What I guess what I'm saying is this They're never on one side or the other. They like the benefits and the privileges that come with saying, oh my dad's a white shoe lawyer which I mean- That sounds kind of racist in itself but I mean that's a joke but what i'm saying is that if you really think about it You want to tout these institutions of whiteness not race But privilege

4:19:54 At the same time trying to tear down institutions, it doesn't work like that. And then the reason why I find her so dangerous is not only she write about misogynoir war, I looked at another article of hers from Harper's Bazaar. The specific experience of being black and getting the Corona vaccine Oh man, she has absolutely no business talking about that. You want to bet? She tells a great story! That's exactly who you want to be talking about it but I'm just going to show you so...I don't just know what I want to breeze through these next two clips but just for perspective of how out of touch she is with the

4:20:38 target audience she's brought in to communicate with. She wrote a book called We Love Charlie Freeman and I have Shalee Stories, her YouTube channel she does a book review of this book and this is the black ADOS woman doing the book review and just listen how out-of-touch she is with this target audience she's brought to bring in or communicate with. This book centers around like this institution they do research And in this book, this African American family is asked by this institution to come teach a monkey American Sign Language. So we kind of start off in one of the first scenes and the daughter, the teenage daughter, is thinking back on their way to this institution and she says her mother cut her hair off. The mom has...African American mother has beautiful hair and she cuts it off because they're going into a predominantly white area for this institution and there's not gonna be anyone to do her hair

4:21:33 So that's kind of when I first was like, okay that's a little weird. You know you're 30 40 years old just putting the ponytail and go about your day you know but yeah stay open-minded that was not a big deal i'm like okay that's weird she also offered to cut her daughter's hair off I guess daughter wasn't really feeling it man...I'm like okay so they get to this institution and You know, they're there and they start teaching this monkey. I'm trying not to give too many spoilers by the way but i'll try and kind of give why I wasn't really fond of this book as much as possible so they get to this institution And um, they're living with this monkey and Try not to give too many spoilers But there was a scene with the mother she got a little too close with the monkey That was off-putting for me. I was just kind of like

4:22:19 I'm trying to put this delicately. As a black woman and knowing black women, not being stereotypical but i just kept trying to picture myself as the black woman that knows American Sign Language learning American Sign Language when I take my children to this institution in a predominantly white area which isn't that big of a deal but...and do this level of closeness with the monkey no Run that by what did you I didn't quite get everything at the last she went to the just tell me that again so basically she Went to the she moved her family to this all-white neighborhood to be a sign language coached to a monkey, okay They cut all their hair out before they go which from Shalise stories

4:23:11 That's black women wouldn't do that just because they couldn't find somebody to do their hair. And then she gets awfully close with a monkey and the lady was like, no, like nah, that's not believable. So just to continue on with the Information in the book or a book review. Let's go to part two and I was like, no, I just couldn't see it I was like a lot of the situation she had and I have more detailed review of this on goodreads but um The situations these characters even the characters that were kind of far back. I would just kind of like ooh you know again, i'm not trying to give too many spoilers away but

4:24:00 I just feel like this author bit off more than she could chew. I don't know, i felt like she didn't really connect how these people know American Sign Language and what is really driving them to go live with this monkey and make him a part of their family. Where's the connection here? How do they know American Sign Language? put it together. Then she has a whole other story line with the teenage daughter and kind of relationship situation, and that's another issue of sexuality. It was just too many going on so we have American Sign Language Deaf culture kinda touched on that. We have racism

4:24:41 Black culture, black identity which again is another heavy topic in itself and then we have sexuality which is another huge topic. All these topics are in here. We also have sexual exploitation you know where you can...these are all huge topics and this lady, this author just kind of goes boom! Boom! Boom! Oh, did this was this a successful publication? No. I mean not commercially. I don't believe Completely unhinged for someone who probably has no business writing about this well Like the lady said boom boom boom she was triggered after trick Let me just all this triggering information into this book

4:25:28 race and deafness. I mean she hit all the intersectionalities, right? You know, I got my disabled, okay check deaf, race check, no femininity check, sexuality check... It's almost like that picture on the annual report of the intelligence community that's been going around. Did you see that? Oh, no. I haven't seen it. They took this picture from Shutterstock and they... And you know it was like a United Colors of Benetton. Yeah yeah! I saw that. They threw in the cute lady with the laptop in the wheelchair and the blind guy with the cane and the dog? It was all photoshopped there was all stocked but no this is our intelligence community That's exactly what what's going on here

4:26:16 We need to throw everything into a pot, but I just wanted to play that and see how it was being received by the target audience. And it's like no, you don't even make any sense but I think Caitlin or Greenwich is just a pen, and she's playing the role of Miss Anne, but since we talking about Missage Noire. We have to go back and see who originated it and originated out of it is Moira Bailey I'm also really curious and interested in the things that people create for themselves projects where people are developing their own social media platforms outside of what has provided us moving away from

4:27:04 Even kind of, I wouldn't say reverting to but using analog. Hold on, Kareem! Yes? I know she's pushing your OTG buttons so don't fall for it. It's the fact that... I'm being quiet. I know she's dissing you. Alongside what we imagine in digital spaces and also slowing down and getting back to technologies that have served us well in a world that wasn't so dominated by capitalism. be it revolution or liberation or justice, when those tools were never intended for those uses. Like they weren't created for that which to me would beg the question then. Audre Lorde's famous quote regarding the masters' tools is that obsolete? Have you like stepped into like some radical reimagination

4:28:10 I talk about something that I call digital alchemy, which is to me that process of BIPOC folks specifically black women using the tools and platforms that have been provided and then using them in a way they were never intended. Oh man! Who is this? I'm looking at her own website which is just...

4:29:01 Now, if you look at it like this... Listen to this. This is her pitch to speak at your institution or event. You know, this is how she makes money. She's well-versed in the following topical areas ready for your intersectionality? Feminism, disability studies history of medicine digital humanities social media social justice student activism race gender sexuality queer theory and pop culture It's like a smorgasbord of delight Yeah, and she attended Spelman College where she got an undergraduate degree. And then she went to Emory University where uh... Where she got a PhD for women gender and sexuality studies. And yeah! She's currently assistant professor at Department of Culture Society in Global Studies. At Northwestern? Yes, at Northwestern yes. Then she coined the term misogynoir in 2008 but the bigger thing is this

4:30:04 digital alchemy. Digital alchemy and the attack on capitalism, she made it very clear so now you think I'm crazy when I say they're communist or they're Marxist no they make it very clear what their target is. Yeah most people just don't know what it means, don't really understand communism, marxism socialism historically Right, I mean but that's not the way they mean this like when we talk about critical race theory. Most people to think you're talking about the book or the class that was taught at Harvard no They're talking about Victimization mentality is what they're pushing just under the name of critical race theory So what we have to do is make them define their terms and now you see what she means then she saying well We can use

4:30:51 their systems to tear down, you know. No that's not how it works and that's why you're so hard at work building our own tools to compete because you understand what I said hold on I know when she asked you was like we gonna build our own? Because it sounds so good! It does until you start talking about tearing down capitalism. And I know people get frustrated, like well we come from a communist or Marxist society in Africa. I'm like I think more people own more cows than other people and that's how wealth was established so miss me with that as well it's all this hodgepodge bullcrap they throw together

4:31:30 And it really is just alchemy. It's ways of controlling and in terms of witchcraft, but we can continue on with digital alchemy too I talk about something i call digital alchemy which to me that process BIPOC folks, specifically Black women using the tools and platforms that have been provided and then using them in a way they were never intended. So really disrupting the expectations of a platform like Twitter

4:32:07 and a platform like Facebook to do something else. But I don't know that that is always a generative practice, sometimes I feel like it is coming from a place of reaction so it's in response to some violence that has occurred and it is speaking to the moment and using that tool but generative digital alchemy is something I would set apart and say that there's potential for something else. And it's less about, I do think that Audre Lorde is exactly right and in that context she was thinking specifically about what's happening in the Academy you know do we imagine

4:32:51 getting imbricated into this system and this institution that we know is so harmful, that we can actually disrupt it dismantle it undo the institution and make it into something else. And I don't think that that is true. I think she's absolutely right with the master's tools will never dismantled the masters house I do think that what Digital Alchemy perhaps offers is an opportunity to build a new house with new tools and that we need to do that work of building new tools. And some of that work happens through, you know trying the tools that are available to us and realizing they don't work in ways that we want them to

4:33:42 It's very it doesn't happen often was very taxing to listen to her Because it's just gobbledygook. Yeah, let me let me let me a Moya baby come here. Let me talk you for me King That's disrupting. Whenever you make a big enough thing, they will D platform you look at any other person that says anything about the Rona or any other thing is not to be talked about? They will get you up off of this so the fact that they allow YouTube still be there

4:34:22 on their platform. And not only that, but they bring you in to give you banners and YouTube gives you money to push your agenda That means you're working with the white supremacist aka the one world government aka the globalists baby! Okay? So are you saying- so you think you're gonna build something without us?! It's not gonna happen Wow thats some misogynoir right there Mr MoFax I heard it Well, if you ask me can men build something without women in our culture or society? No we can't. We're a package deal!

4:35:00 And that's why it is so frustrating to me because it's like stop manipulating your own sisters into believing that if they don't believe what you believe, they lack confidence and audacity. And I said this before I kind of got cut off... That there isn't equivalent to a female or to a coon for women! This is why women are so quiet. I don't know which you call it? Some people call it pick-me's but.. They call it what?! Pick means yeah, women like pick me pick me. Yeah Oh hold on a second I didn't know a coon can't be a woman can only be a man No what I'm saying is the trait you know Coone goes across the racial line You're trading across the racial line okay? The equivalent will be they could equip was the equivalent of a coon across the gender line So you know you post up whole you are working with the other side basically hmm

4:35:57 You know, the same way like coons are seen as black people working with white people to bring other white black people down. Okay? Oh, I see what you're saying. There is an equivalent of women working with men that supposedly bringing down feminists and this is why the women that really need to be have the voice and really shape society need to give have their voices amplified we can't give your voice lady You know what I'm saying? We can't speak for you because when we do, we're seen as hateful men. What I'm saying is but we got your back. Don't ever doubt it. I mean, I have to say this to my wife all the time is just like well, I can't say that really. It's like what? He can't say what? This has been one of the... This has actually been a very challenging episode for me and so I'm bringing this up now because I know that last two clips are going to blow my head and it's like brain matter splattering on the wall So I might as well get out now

4:36:51 Because this is really about the relationship between black men and black women today. No, it's not. Man that's... Wait wait wait but wait Okay go ahead go ahead but I just want to... Go ahead With the lesson that it's just you first? No! It's bigger than that The reason why I'm saying and the reason why push back against that actually let you finish but so apologize for that But the reason why I pushed back against that because This is for women to support women See, men you are already doing the work. We're already in line as far as men across the racial line and down to other divide if that makes sense but women are scared to say that's not right You see how black conservative women in general are treated? Thank you for clarifying

4:37:52 The worst part of this is white women are only enhancing this issue out of fear. And desperately wanting to fit in, so the amount of times I have to hear Yas Queen from white women and I'm looking at it like I'll just say it to you. I think Lizzo is not healthy, you know? I think she's not just big bones... There's something unhealthy there and if everyone can keep saying oh that's great! It's fantastic! It's simply not true

4:38:31 And she's a perfect representation for the problem. Mainstream media knows you can't continue on this way or you're gonna have problems down the line, just metaphorically not getting to health right? But if you continue on this manner, you're gonna have problems down the line but know what they say is great job Lizzo saying oh, you are perfect And the reason why this is a bigger issue because this conversation has to be had between women. There has to be a counterpart podcast, Mo Facts with Adam Curry with two women having the conversation. Yeah hallelujah I will gladly produce it right? Because the thing is there are certain things that we can't even discuss

4:39:25 And maybe that's why I feel uncomfortable about a lot of the... Uncomfortable? Why is this different for me, because there is a lot that neither you or I know about women. Because we're not! Hell, I made the episode so now you see why a lot... I was like, oh can't say that it was self-serious. Always becoming victim to respectability politics. Yes. Like, oh I can't say that and then I was like no I'm not self-serious in myself and then you go through this whole process of Can I say that? You know But at the end of the day, what we have to do is say you know what this is how I feel. Now other people may feel like me as well but what we're being told is your feelings don't matter if they are aligned to the mainstream narrative and that's where the problem comes in

4:40:10 Because this is a hell that most women are living in. As the lady said in the audacity clip, it's a traumatic decision they have to make but what we can say is that you can have both of be a mother and be an earner because there's new possibilities start a podcast or start small business. There's all kinds of things women can do But they're given the binary choice. See this binary choice is from the mainstream. You see what I'm saying? The binary choice is given to them by women

4:40:48 Yes, and that's why we got to say no you can do whatever you want to do as far as You can have kids and a business now. We won't understand you won't have a career As far is know going up the corporate ladder but who the hell wants in the first place? That's what we're trying to say like your free And I had to say this to my wife all the time Like do you not realize that I do it but I have to do you do what you want to do That's the greatest gift I could give you and that's the greatest gift a man can give any woman is the ability to do what she wants to do. And how does that go over? When you say it just like that, you say hey do you realize that you can do what you want to do because i have to do yes

4:41:39 I'm just asking how does that go? She says yeah, that's... How does that go over she realizes it but then you have to operate in society. And it's like oh people say and it's so rude I know we're going along but it's so rude when women say this You ask a woman what do you do It's like I'm a mother and stay at home mom or whatever You get like this empty O. It's like, what do you mean empty? Oh that's the most important job you could ever do is raise the next society and honestly women this is your power because you can correct all the bad behaviors. That's right At the source of the problem it's like oh yeah your daddy sucked at that so let me go ahead and I'm not in it and he was saying like let me go ahead and teach show you uh the right way to do that or you know say that kind of thing but what happens is there's no balance anymore

4:42:27 Yeah, so I mean I just say because I had to make these episodes because we're gonna be alright Because you know We can defend ourselves and really once you get as an old man me being 49. I don't give a rat's ass What most people think? I mean just being honest with you it means that's a luxury um I Just want to give that luxury to women as well Alright and anybody gonna mess with you But let's go ahead and get into what Digital alchemy is so what if you are the first generation to live beyond your lifetimes? Alchemists are people who turn raw material into gold

4:43:18 For centuries, alchemists have searched for the secret of eternal life. This desire no matter how powerful for immortality has always just remained out of reach Who could blame them for searching? Who here among you at some point in your life has desired to be younger You see it all around you everywhere you look what do you see this product It'll make you look younger. This one? You're gonna live longer, be a better lover, be a better person... I mean come on! These are the messages we see everywhere right?! And it's not just our modern obsession as a species We've always sought to transcend our physical bodies

4:44:14 And each generation has created alchemists, the artists, the inventors, the innovators who have used a cutting edge technology of their age to create images of ourselves that somehow capture and preserve our essence. But not all other technologies have stood the test of time. Wow, and it is yeah. I mean, I know exactly what you're pointing out here and it is women You know that I said to Tina the other day? I don't think there's a single picture that has been posted of you or maybe even on your phone Where you haven't retouched something Yeah I'm mixed on makeup. I'll mix them The reason why is if you if it's healthy if it's coming from a place the healthiness I'm okay with it But if it's becoming a mask

4:45:07 That's where the issue comes in it, but all women like to look beautiful But I'm talking about the digital version of that. I mean right You just look at what women do? I know because I'm a perfect Instagram husband cuz I think I know it take the picture I'd know what they want so okay here It is and then you know look around like okay yeah everyone happy with their smile Yeah Okay alright don't worry about I'll just give you the, wipe away some wrinkles and whiten the teeth a little bit. And then it goes! It's good this is uh that's beyond makeup. And that's where it's not fair at because as with men without our ability to provide is how we judge ourselves right? How much game we can bring back from the hunt I mean that's baked in us you're saying hard-bakedness for thousands of years. Where women they're

4:46:03 And I can only speak from what I understand. I'm not, can't speak for a place of being a woman but to me being needed as far as us being attractive or, you know mother's sense of being needed. That's how they value themselves and it is what it is. That's also been that's historically been going on for a long time Right look at flowers I mean flowers are beautiful colors but why because they need to be that way biology do biology To attract them? Exactly so I mean I understand where the goals but what we have to do is we have this set

4:46:43 healthy expectations and a mature mind can deal with that? But you're talking about letting children, when I say children 14 15 16 year old girls if they start out like that. Yeah it's bad then you have no self-worth its very destructive and particularly girls look at the cutting in suicide rate of young girls young women And that's where it really becomes a problem. And it gets worse when you listen to this second part of the digital alchemy clip. Motion picture technology captured Chaplin's image and projected him around the world for millions of people to see, more people than he could have ever met in person. Now 40 years after his death we still recognize this image

4:47:39 But we may be the last generation to do so. Why? It's because his image and relevancy has been set by a 20th century technology So as 21st century alchemists, what is the cutting-edge technology today and what does it allow us to do that was not possible before Well... What if you could stay forever young This is not a photograph this is a 3D computer generated avatar Okay, so what we call maximum resolution. We have stopped time and reversed the aging process Okay Not only can we record the way The surface of your skin looks were able to record and calibrate how your muscles move underneath your skin So that way you're digital avatar can perform exactly the way you do This is actress fan Bingbing She's the most famous person in China

4:48:50 Okay, perhaps one of the most recognized faces on this planet and she's an early adopter of new media She understands the power of having a 3d digital avatar that can speak to younger generations okay, so basically The way this work plays out is the same way two flappers use makeup to enhance their beauty and you know, escape what they perceive as oppression. The future will be you will be your avatar You're talking about wiping and swiping and taking r- no! You can be this perfect being inside the matrix And I know that sounds crazy No Moe it doesn't, no it doesn't and I'll tell you why What I just said

4:49:48 People already are perfect within the matrix. The matrix, let's make the matrix Instagram for a second and TikTok is next but the way people portray themselves women in particular that's what Instagram is for Is completely an avatar it is no longer reality everything I've seen the apps the apps are amazing Wow that was good yeah cool boom done And by the way, whenever it's two of us in the photo I said make sure you give me a little smudge there on the wrinkles. So it's already here! It's just getting more sophisticated that's why Facebook bought Oculus. It's all coming yeah I'm sure and then they're gonna be like while your here won't you just stay in The Matrix? Might as well live here I mean your perfect in it right?! Again I think there are a lot of candidates who are primed and ready for it They're already pretty much living it

4:50:47 And then that's where we're in dangerous territory because where all this rubber meets the road at is if we all adopt to live in the matrix, then they can turn off who they want to turn off. Again you're spot on because it's happening. We are in The Matrix with training wheels I guess as a good way of analogy Yeah, because I mean you know how it goes augmented reality then virtual reality and then they say give up reality all to yourself. Reality is so constricting

4:51:25 Just, you know just tap in. You know you could work girl go to work go to your little online office even with your avatar and online dates I mean we saw demolition man We know how this goes well not just that we also witnessed a second life there were problems which is you know There were scaling problems Oh, I was in there a lot too. I mean it I Understand that feeling of like oh wow that's kind of interesting And it's very surreal and you get, I mean video games. I'm not a gamer so i can't really speak with any authority but I know its bigger than the movie industry so... You know? And immersiveness is real! Yes So that-I mean that all im just saying is.. I jus wanted to wrap up this two part show By totally depressing me thankyou No! What no! No because

4:52:18 What you're doing is, hey we're not going to play on y'all's terms. And that's why I'm podcasting 2.0 and any other new technology because even with this show as it gets big enough people are like well Moe you're on YouTube for now? For now! I mean I know how this goes once you start drawing enough looks and likes and views then who is this guy but one thing I don't take any money from YouTube I just use it because it's the eyeball, the mall of eyeballs. So he used to draw more people into what we're doing here but It has never been under the notion that we can build something meaningful on YouTube is not going to happen because when you start stepping on toes The same message I gave to Moya I give to myself Now you cant tear down their system on their system Well I appreciate you as a partner in building new systems

4:53:17 We're all in on the podcasting 2.0 here on MoFax, we'll gladly take your sats because you get it man you really do. It's just very scary... It's kind of when I think about what we're doing and heres the thing that is also bothersome podcasting 2.0 99.9% men who are in this project now its open source anyone can join You know, there's a clear imbalance there. And we're clearly missing something but where is it? I think we got to bust some people out of the old...of The Matrix If you build it they would come and I know that sounds very cliche But that's what we do right We build things and then women flesh it out We build a house they make it home It's gonna be same way It's gonna be same way I like that yeah So true so true

4:54:23 So I mean when they built Instagram and Twitter, they didn't think of it being like this. When they made those filters they didn't think about it being like that. Oh you can do that with it? Yeah but I am pretty sure a lot of the social networks there were people who understood the psychology and then you can even hear them saying oh this is a flaw in human behavior we know how to hack it we know how to take advantage of it And you just build upon that and then the profits kick in, you just do more of that because more of that works. The original thinking behind it is even lost to some degree but its there. That's so very true! But at the end of day humans will always win when we deal with humanity

4:55:06 So that's the main thing we have to stay dealing in humanity. We need to stay humanized people Hopefully when I make these shows, I don't make anybody the bad guy or good guy. I just have to give my perspective on how these things work and how they impact my life When you hear this show This is how these things land in my circle It's like I live and let live But when you start affecting me and mine then I have to stand up and say something but there are certain fights I can't fight So we had to have, you know other people jump in and take on the battle for us. Mo I appreciate this so much This is one of our longer episodes but I think there was no way to make it any shorter The way you put it all together What makes it long is me buttoning and trying to get clarification because it could probably be a four hour show

4:56:00 No, but we have to have that though because we just don't accept things as I put them and I just don't accept things that you put them. We push back and then we get a... we find a good place of agreement when we do that so And I love doing it, man. Let's try and get one done a little sooner on both our accounts for the next one. I will do that! And as I always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. Moe thank you so much This has been great. And if you'd like to support Mo Facts with Adam Curry, go to mofax.com and help us out or boost us with podcasting 2.0. Mo I can't wait until next time brother! Alright see ya then Adam Take care everybody we'll see you next time on Mo Facts with Adam Curry. It will be done trouble of the world trouble of the world

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